13th Dec 2018
New Age Pension reporting rule to save Government $150m
Author: Janelle Ward
pensioners

Australians who are aged over 80 and live overseas will have to produce a “proof of life certificate” to continue receiving the Age Pension in a tightening of rules that will start from 1 July next year.

The Federal Government says the new measure will save $150 million over four years.

From 1 July, affected pensioners will need to go to an Australian embassy or consulate every two years to register that they are still alive and entitled to continue receiving the payment.

Pensioners will be given 13 weeks to tell the Government they are alive before their payment is cancelled

There are about 96,000 Australian pensioners living overseas, with a quarter of them aged 80 or over.

Social Services Minister Paul Fletcher said the Government believed there had been thousands of instances where a person had died while living overseas but continued to receive the Age Pension.

“We believe we will identify about 6000 people living overseas who are dead or whose families are wrongfully receiving taxpayer money,” he told the ABC.

“In some cases it could be fraud, in other cases it could be that the pensioner’s family incorrectly think that they remain entitled to receive the pension formerly paid to their loved one.”

Mr Fletcher said the proof of life certificates were a simple and fair way of ensuring welfare payments were going only to eligible recipients.

“Countries like the UK, Germany, Netherlands, France and Italy all have systems in place to verify whether a pensioner living overseas in still alive and we’re now going to introduce a similar system,” he said.

“We do have a duty to be careful and responsible with taxpayers’ money and so it’s appropriate to have a process in place to check that where a pension is being paid that that person continues to be alive.”

Are you supportive of the new measure? Do you believe it will be simple enough to meet the reporting requirements?

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    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:04am
    That's what happens when you allow privateers to steal the Social Security treasure hoarded over many years and turn it over into consolidated revenue. Grand Theft Canberra I - The Stolen Contributions.

    Watch for Grand Theft Canberra II - Back To the Future Fund - coming soon to a theatre near you...
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:07am
    "we will identify about 6000 people LIVING overseas who are DEAD" ....

    ...wait a minute.... ummm...errrr... oh yes, I see The Guv has them surrounded on one side.... sneaky bastards still living when they've died.. anything to cop a freebie... bloody lefties...
    OnlyDaughter
    13th Dec 2018
    1:07pm
    Oh yes, the thieving parliamentarians never lose the opportunity to fiddle the books. Will the country be miraculously in surplus come Budget 2019 because the Futures Fund was rolled into Consolidated Revenue on 1 January 2019 with the mere mention of the government’s intended actions being stuck on the end of a Press Release about Cabbage Rot and issued on this Christmas Eve?
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:08pm
    Is that for true, OnlyDaughter?

    The bustards have been reading my posts about the Stolen Future Fund.....

    Now we need to fold it into the Social Securities Fund as part of overall retirement packaging strategy, treat everyone by the same rules etc, allow additional savings in the scheme up to a limit, and the rest is savings pure and simple. Soon there will be a huge fund of money that the government can APPLY to borrow on proper terms, which will benefit this nation as a whole, the government via infrastructure improvements etc (no approvals for more pie-in-the-sky 'liberalism' - that should please the 'righties'... no parasitic behaviour by financial institutions over retirement funds - that should please the 'lefties'), and the people via cash flow into their retirement fund.
    KB
    13th Dec 2018
    10:12am
    There are people who do live overseas. It needs to be handled sensitively.If you choose to live overseas then through choice then people should not be entitled to pension There may be cases where loved ones have forgotten to Centrelink know= that a loved one has died or the person may have not any relations,
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:26am
    Hmm - when is a pension not a pension? Can't agree with your stance there... I once discussed with my lawyer a case he was handling of a recent Asian wife and her suddenly deceased husband...some were saying she had no rights to his estate and should pack up and head back to the slums, and I thought it was simple:- "When is a wife not a wife?"

    When is a pensioner not a pensioner? When they die.........

    I can see that there just might be one or two rellies over there who might not mention the departure of the loved one... just an oversight.... **coughs**
    arbee
    13th Dec 2018
    11:17am
    Trebor obviously has the far left wing attitude that the government must keep on paying pensions even after the recipients have died. Why should taxpayers be saddled with this as well, after all it is TAXPAYERS money that pays these pensions
    mogo51
    13th Dec 2018
    11:35am
    I agree KB, I think it is fair that Governments only pay the entitled person. I live overseas and have done so for 8 years, but will be returning home to Australia to live out the rest of my life.
    I know of many cases where payments were continued and the 'wife' or whatever, kept the money. They know what has to be done, but often some 'greasing' stops it from happening. When a foreigner dies in another country, in most places, the government agency of that country notifies the Embassy of the death. So I do not know where they will get the 6000 from?
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    12:50pm
    KB, if I chose to live overseas I am still entitled to a pension & rightly so after working, spending in the local economy & paying taxes for over 50 years. I don't get any add ons & my home in Australia is now asset tested by the government as it's no longer classed as the family home even if I come back for 2 months of the year & live in it. So I'm forced to either sell or rent. No one has the right to say how I spend my pension or where I chose to live as i don't have any right to tell you how to spend your money or where to live.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:10pm
    arbee, arbee - nobody said that - learn to read.. you're obviously entrenched in the far rightie bs that people should not live...

    Can't you follow satire?
    Farside
    13th Dec 2018
    1:28pm
    Trebor, if you are writing satire then don't give up the day job. Perhaps read some of John Clarke (of Clarke & Dawe) to see real satire.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2018
    1:31pm
    A Pensioner is definitely not a Pensioner if they are a successful saver. Not in Australia anyway.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:10pm
    Oh, I'm far better than that little bit above, Farsical.... that was but a fleeting comment that dear old arbee totally chose to misread.. DUH!!

    You guys don't do subtlety, do you? Autistic much?
    marls
    13th Dec 2018
    3:30pm
    KB
    The aged pension is reciprocal in a lot of countries there's thousands of Aussies also that receive a pension from overseas eg my cousin received a widows pension from overseas as she married overseas and her husband died she then returned to her birth country and family in oz when ppl retire they have a right to retire where they want
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    3:32pm
    Trebor - please cut out the insults - to the posters and to the people of determination
    marls
    13th Dec 2018
    3:34pm
    1984 totally agree the aged pension is reciprocal and we should live where we chose
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    4:42pm
    Lothario, you insult people on this forum, pot calling the kettle black eh.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    6:05pm
    1984 - correcting someone who is wrong or telling them they'er wrong is not called insulting. Its educating or exposing
    Please get it right
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:07pm
    Well - it was a stupid comment from arbee... nobody offered a word to support anyone rorting - but surely in your global economy pensioners are choice-mobile about where they choose to live... and it's not a rort to live overseas.... DUH..

    If the cap fits... wear it... and nobody told me I was wrong... just attacked me as some form of rabid leftie who supports bludging etc.. what utter nonsense given my history...

    When they play the old Ad Hominem, old boy, they get what they deserve.... surely even you've learned that by now... surely????
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:45pm
    Once again, for you slow ones, Loathie - nowhere did I say that the government should pay pensions to those who've died... arbee made that stupid comment about me without any foundation and was corrected for it...

    You apology is required. Considering the personal rubbish and nonsense you post, you have no high moral ground to stand on, and are just a troll who thinks that rubbishing your betters is the way to stop their argument going forward.

    Talk about immature...
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    7:47pm
    pull your head in Trebor

    You were insulting the handicapped as well. Just shows what a loser you are that you need to sink to that level
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:54pm
    You mean arbee is handicapped? Well - you learn something every day... and he was wrong in his comment, and so are you.. just correcting you there. You need it regularly... Mick usually hands you your ass every night, but he's busy, so you decide to pick an argument with me over someone else's silly comment.

    Pull your own head in, loser.

    Show me, LOSER, where in my comment I said anyone should get a pension paid for a dead person...

    Now apologise or shut up, both of you clowns.!
    Gypsy
    14th Dec 2018
    2:00pm
    TREBOR - it's your sense of wit, humour & satire that keeps me reading the posts on YLC. Don't stop just because a few can't understand you! My goodness, some of you need to see the funnier side of life! Have a good one :)
    Old Man
    13th Dec 2018
    10:17am
    What a good idea. Perhaps Rudd should have thought of this before he issued cheques to dead people. If the report of a death is accidental then the funds will still be in the bank account but recovery might be problematic. If the funds are not there then it is a sure case of fraud.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:28am
    Argh, aye - you track the miscreants down..... I haven't got a lifetime to do that...

    Tricky question really.... maybe they should front the embassy to get their fortnightly payment... in person... but some live up the donga.... five days to travel 100 miles by train...
    Old Man
    13th Dec 2018
    10:43am
    It's easier than going to an Embassy, Bob, they have a choice of a Justice of the Peace, a magistrate or a physician as well as an Embassy official. There are about 96,000 people living overseas who receive an Australian pension with most of those being on the age pension. I would presume that a letter will be sent telling the recipients to front up or lose the regular payments. Hopefully there will be no robo-whatever.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:46am
    Yeah - but a lot can happen in two years... plenty of opportunity for someone else to lodge the form unless a personal visit is required....

    "Oh, yes.. Harry's too busy to pop in today.. but he signed the forms for you - just keep the pension coming for another two years!"..
    bob menzies
    13th Dec 2018
    10:28am
    I know of one lady who has lived in Canada for over 27 years and has tried to have her pensions ceased but without success - there were problems when Rudd gown gave $900 cheques out that went to dead people and about 18,000 to people who had been living overseas for many years and probably had no intention of returning - says to me data os not up to date so I have no problem if this activity results in ceasing payments to those who don't need it
    Snowwhite
    13th Dec 2018
    12:04pm
    I’ve always been jealous of those citizens who received P. M. Rudd’s $900 or P. M. Abbott’s mythical savings on power bills as I’m still waiting for both and I’m well and truly alive.
    Sceptic
    14th Dec 2018
    9:02am
    Perhaps you should have been with Origin, as I certainly got a reduction of the repeal of the carbon tax. Just check your price per unit pre and post, and forget about all of the price increases since that you are probably including.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    16th Dec 2018
    4:53pm
    Me too, Snowwhite. Not a cent from that $900 handout. Not too worried about power as we have solar and pay very little, but the $900 would have been nice. It wasn't paid to people with $0 income as they were deemed to not need it. Odd logic that!
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:30am
    Good idea but make it every year instead.
    Farside
    13th Dec 2018
    1:33pm
    Seems a reasonable requirement to report in annually after 80. I think the initiative should be extended to all overseas recipients.
    Retired Knowall
    14th Dec 2018
    1:13pm
    Why just the Overseas Welfare recipients?
    And why not from 65?
    1984
    14th Dec 2018
    4:40pm
    ALL welfare & OAP recipients should "check in" annually whether expat or her in Australia.
    Not a Bludger
    13th Dec 2018
    10:31am
    About time that this ongoing family rort was stopped.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:48am
    ???
    Not a Bludger
    13th Dec 2018
    1:14pm
    No need for the question mark, Trebor - it is the family that benefit from the ongoing pension payments.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:14pm
    Thank you for your explanation - yes, there could be instances where 'new family' could be benefiting from receiving the pension of the deceased.... it's been known to happen here as well, so some scrutiny is required. Thing is that not all those living Offshore have a 'family' there... but it is not outside the scope of reality for a landlord or similar to keep accepting a cheque or bank deposit... just helping the old fellah out by getting his money for him every fortnight... (Kiwi helping a sheep over a fence)....
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:47pm
    Someone down below mentioned a nursing home - what if the management continue to accept the pension for a deceased inhabitant?

    The way some of these Offshorites play the retirement home game here, they could learn a few lessons and import that kind of skullduggery to Australia.. more profit!
    Couldabeen
    13th Dec 2018
    10:40am
    I'd ask "Why is it for only those over the age of 80?" Surely it should apply to any Australian citizen who is resident overseas to regularly prove that they are still alive.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:48am
    You would think so.... being over 80 is no guarantee you're dead just yet.. and being 67 is no guarantee of still being alive...
    GeorgeM
    13th Dec 2018
    12:48pm
    My thought too, Couldabeen, and it should be every year. No reason for taxpayer money to be thrown without such basic checks.
    Sundays
    13th Dec 2018
    2:10pm
    My father received a small overseas pension. He had to produce annual stat decs that he was still alive. He never complained that it was an imposition. It should be for any age. If you die in Australia Centrelink cut you off immediately through data matching.
    jackie
    13th Dec 2018
    10:45am
    It sounds like those overseas pensioners are all on their way out. The banks should be reporting back about deceased clients. I don't think you can live overseas anymore and collect the pension.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:47am
    ... and the dead shall rise and walk ..... easy just to say nothing and keep the money rolling in..
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:56am
    In some countries, 5-6 weeks pension is more than a year's local income - a friend in the US said I'd do rather well there even , with my comparative pittance.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:58am
    Average income in Thailand is $800 US per month... work it out... Old Harry cops about 3.5 times that for doing nothing... no way would the family let it go willingly... and they didn't know the money stops when he died ten years ago...
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    1:02pm
    Basic pensions with no add ons are still paid Jackie. Family home is also included in assets as you are not permanently living there so your pension drops accordingly. So if you have a million dollar home you'll lose the pension entirely.
    Foreign banks as far as I know don't have to report to the Australian government. That's why many Australians in Australia use offshore banks to hide their money.
    marls
    13th Dec 2018
    3:37pm
    Jackie
    Yes you can live overseas on the aged pension as long as you meet the Centrelink criteria
    floss
    13th Dec 2018
    10:52am
    Not a worry for us J Hockey took care of that no part pension no worry.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:00am
    Cambra Rules - is no payment.. is no money... is no man.. is no problem...
    Rae
    13th Dec 2018
    1:41pm
    You naughty saver you floss. We have ways of punishing you for not spending every cent in our consumer society.
    ozziejorge
    13th Dec 2018
    10:59am
    YEAH RIGHT .. we have 55 BILLION for some underwater boats that will not get wet for another 20 years, MILLIONS to waste on a reef and hot air fest, and we are goi g to "save" by giving retirees a hard time ..
    GO GOVT!!!!!
    clancambo
    13th Dec 2018
    11:16am
    I don't see why you can get a pension when living overseas! Live where you earned the pension and spend it here - not there.
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    1:06pm
    clancamo, if I chose to live overseas I am still entitled to a pension & rightly. No one has the right to say how I spend my pension or where I chose to live as i don't have any right to tell you how to spend your money or where to live.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:13pm
    I might choose to wander the earth for a year or so - not 'living' overseas, but rather visiting... why should I lose one cent? Even putting the power on hold costs money.... same as the water and the rates don't go away.
    marls
    13th Dec 2018
    3:43pm
    Clancambo
    Because the ones getting Aussie pensions overseas need the work requirements criteria like my mother she worked and paid taxes to Aust gvt for the required criteria she gets a part pension and if I chose to live overseas then according to centrelink criteria I get the full pension as I worked for over 35 yrs
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    3:47pm
    1984 - yes we do
    The taxpayer is giving you money because blew your money while working or fell on hard times
    The welfare is to help you live a decent life in retirement.
    You should be made to live and spend it ion Oz to help the economy not other countries
    and certainly not for you to live in luxury in a 3rd world country supporting your teenage wife and her family
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    4:32pm
    Lothario, your assumptions about me are way off the mark. Totally laughable which makes you a total joke.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    4:44pm
    you're the dummy
    when i say "you" i meant the OAP. wasnt referring to you personally

    My assumption about you not having much between the ears is accurate though. you just proved it
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:11pm
    You are drawing on Social Security money because you fell on hard times while working or there is a vague possibility you blew your money ... let's try to not infer things by the order in which they are placed...

    Since MOST Australians by far draw on SOCIAL SECURITY in retirement, it is plain that the past did not offer sufficient opportunity for most to gather sufficient for retirement - and they are therefore compelled to draw on their paid-up Entitlement to make up their standard of living ...

    No welfare in this nation - we're tenth generation Socialists here.......
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    7:56pm
    Backpedal all you want Lothario, you make so much noise, just like an empty vessel
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    7:58pm
    simpleton
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:55pm
    Self-criticism and self-confession is no praise, Loathie...
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    16th Dec 2018
    4:58pm
    "Since MOST Australians by far draw on SOCIAL SECURITY in retirement, it is plain that the past did not offer sufficient opportunity for most to gather sufficient for retirement - and they are therefore compelled to draw on their paid-up Entitlement to make up their standard of living …"

    NOT a valid conclusion, Trebor. I know a tiny handful of Australians who genuinely couldn't be self-funded in retirement, and many hundreds who could have been but chose not to be. Most of us had abundant opportunity to save more than the current absurdly low assets threshold, and to pay off a home. But only those who chose NOT to are entitled to ''draw on their paid up entitlement''. The rest of us get screwed over.
    rina1213
    13th Dec 2018
    11:31am
    my mum had a small Italian pension and had to provide a life certificate every year and I thought that was good. Why should tax payers continue to pay if they have passed. Don't forget pensions come from the tax payers and I might add from the low end of the spectrum as the high end get away with paying very little if any at all. Anyway I do think its good as the other side to this is that the overseas pensioners have a good life and DO NOT spend the pension money in this country which doesn't help the economy.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:16pm
    Yes - the problem seems to be in the reporting - so The Guv says, and (just for arbee **rolls eyes**) I can readily see that some might see this as a golden handshake for burying the old bustard....

    "Oooh! So solly - not speak much Engrish - I thin' he get pay always fo' evah! You no say..."

    If offshore pensioners don't spend their money here, that makes them the same as many rich people and countless corporations.... plenty more to recoup from 1984's offshore bandits hiding their treasure in Offshoria... government has to move on that - if you own an offshore bank account, you pay exit and entry tax for your cash.

    Lying about having such an account will cost you a 90% tax.
    Hoohoo
    17th Dec 2018
    1:46pm
    Now you're talking TREBOR! I'd love to see Revenue boosted by all that "Offshoria" - the legal haven for thieves & traitors.

    Imagine all that money flowing into Australia's economy, WHERE IT WAS GENERATED! Wow, we'd have money for TAFE, schools, hospitals, public transport, pensions, Newstart, childcare, infrastructure, OMG we could pay off Labor's debt! Even the LNP's debt!
    Charlie
    13th Dec 2018
    11:58am
    Sounds fair to me. Can't get age pension if you are dead
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:17pm
    All Hallow's Eve 365/366 ........ and the dead shall rise and walk among us.....
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    11:59am
    Great move . Common sense
    Unlike labor who likes sending Cheques to dead people
    Rae
    13th Dec 2018
    1:48pm
    Or those bankers that like charging dead people for services.
    Knows-a-lot
    13th Dec 2018
    2:39pm
    Trolling from the Lieberal shill Lothario.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:57pm
    Not remotely relevant to pensions being paid offshore.... and LNP have had the reins for six years now.. it's their baby, Loathie...

    $150m? Must be a lot of cheating going on from 'family' members there... or others... easy money.
    Aussie
    13th Dec 2018
    12:00pm
    I believe that this is correct measurement to ensure you are alive ...
    Dave R
    13th Dec 2018
    12:02pm
    WOW they think they can save a few hundred million through this measure. They could save fifty billion by not buying useless submarines. No idea this government.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    12:12pm
    So you are happy for dead pensioners families to rort the taxpayer
    Dave R
    13th Dec 2018
    12:51pm
    It's a drop in the bucket compared to what the government is wasting to help Chrissy Pyne keep his seat. Are you happy for the government to spend fifty billion of taxpayers money on useless submarines to help Pyne keep his seat?
    Hoohoo
    17th Dec 2018
    2:01pm
    It doesn't have to be either/or. Why not stop wasting our hard-earnt every where it's wasted?
    I agree, Dave R, $50,000,000,000 is a bloody whole lot of tax (blood & sweat generated off our backs), to give boys such sophisticated toys.

    It's a waste of money & they'll probably be obsolete by the time they're finished, like the Collins Class submarines before them. If the Govt wants to spend money to boost manufacturing in this country, how about investing in something we actually need now? Like battery storage? (I know our current Govt won't be even thinking of doing that - it's against their religion where coal is the new God & the renewable industry is Satan).
    arbee75
    13th Dec 2018
    12:13pm
    The baffling case of the Phantom OZ expat by all means
    sort this out ( too many naughty Relos draining Our coffers)
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    12:43pm
    Only those 80 plus. most likely with be all recipients after a while. Some 80 + year olds will find it hard to travel to an embassy or consulate. Will the Australian government also reimburse travel costs etc to get to an embassy or consulate.
    If they find the person has died are they going to demand the monies paid since death. Are they going to hound overseas nationals like they do here with robo debt for monies owed.
    What's wrong with a downloaded application that is verified by a registered doctor or lawyer with photo & returned via email & PDF.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:18pm
    Baksheesh, sahib.. you pay doctor - he sign certificate..... corruption is a national industry in some places... only way to get a proper wage....
    Hawkeye
    13th Dec 2018
    12:55pm
    Why restrict this to pensioners.

    When you see some of these scumbag politicians in parliament, you can't tell whether they are dead or just sleeping.

    Then there are the phantom politicians who you never see in parliament at all. Are they still alive?

    They should all be required to prove they are alive at regular intervals before receiving their disgustingly absurd paychecks.

    And time spent sleeping or not attending parliament should be docked from their pay.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:19pm
    Dock that chink a day's pay for sleeping on the job... and I don't hear no singing!
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:22pm
    Same with everyone on super - can't differentiate - spend 28 days offshore and your super pay is cut off.....

    Gotta treat everyone equally....
    SuziJ
    13th Dec 2018
    1:01pm
    Just so long as the government isn't going to restrict us as to how long we can travel for before cutting of our payments. Like the DSP. It used to be 6 weeks, then they payment would stop and you could reapply when you return home. Now it's 28 days in any 'rolling year', which means that you get cut off after 28 days, and then you have to re-apply for the DSP starting all over again! It's ridiculous! I'll just be glad when I'm eligible for the Age Pension!
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:21pm
    My point exactly - is an oldie to make a flying visit at air fare rates once a year for a couple of weeks, run up the costs of travel, and miss out on a lot, because they are forced to rush to get back home?

    Stop politician's 'super' payments after 28 days Offshore... bastards aren't spending our money in our economy - why should they get it?
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    1:23pm
    Wrong spot above:-

    Same with everyone on super - can't differentiate - spend 28 days offshore and your super pay is cut off.....

    Gotta treat everyone equally..
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    3:50pm
    The OAP is way too high if pensioners can use taxpayer money to have a few months overseas on hoildays
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    4:39pm
    Lothario the LNP troll, how do you know that pensioners are using their OAP to travel overseas & not their saving.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:15pm
    Old Geezer travels regularly on cruise ships loaded to the gunnels with Old Age Pensioners.. just ask him....

    Any pensioner using OAP to travel anywhere is using his/her Entitlement.... it's just politics of envy to say that only those with plenty should have anything... envy of those with a little who make it work a lot... amazing...... simply amazing...
    OnlyDaughter
    13th Dec 2018
    1:15pm
    I don’t have a problem with this in principle, but I am heartily sick of these over-paid, over-stuffed, pious politicians continually turning their laser guns on pensioners, as though we are a blot in the Australian landscape. They do this as a diversion because a lot of them are lazy - there are a lot of unoccupied seats in both the Senate and House of Reps on most occasions - and only infrequently do,they represent what the average Australian wants or needs. They are wedded to party politics and not what is best for this country and it’s inhabitants.
    thommo
    13th Dec 2018
    1:50pm
    This govt is a lousy stingy bunch of mongrels... What they should be doing is increasing the pension substantially, and stop micro managing everyone. It is stressful and demeaning.
    Best way to stop this nonsense is to kick this govt out at the next election...and then cancel their pensions.
    Arisaid
    13th Dec 2018
    2:14pm
    Agree that they should make sure a person is still living before receiving the pension. As for the pensions already paid to the dead will they be recouping that. I can think of one country in particular where this rort is rife.
    Knows-a-lot
    13th Dec 2018
    2:36pm
    Trust this retarded government of soon-to-be-in-opposition Right-wing scumbags to punish retirees.
    Gra
    13th Dec 2018
    6:13pm
    How is getting someone overseas to confirm they are still alive and entitled to the pension punishing retirees? Some people just like jumping to conclusions. Having retirees receiving a pension and living overseas reporting they are still entitled should have been introduced decades ago and it should have to be done annualy.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    6:15pm
    Knows-a-lot is a leaner who wants everything for free
    Even steal from the taxpayer judging from his comment above
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:00pm
    How so, Loathie? Where is he suggesting stealing? He's merely talking about government imposing on perhaps not so mobile pensioners...

    I agree that regular reporting is required... but as someone pointed out, the embassy is advised when an Australian citizen dies in Offshoreland - where then is the problem?
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:01pm
    No need to attack KAL for not liking this filthy government - he's in the majority....
    sailing
    13th Dec 2018
    3:37pm
    The life certificate is already being used for the UK, and it was only a matter of time before Australia did the same. The Australian High Commission where it would be necessary to go for verification of your living state, requires 10 days notice for notary services, so that may cause a few problems. Can it be clarified that a notary public can be used instead. They are more numerous. On the matter of Australia saving money because of false claims, no doubt this will benefit the government. However it seems the Australia government is very laxed in pressuring the UK government into un-freezing UK pensions, for citizens who reside in Commonwealth countries, one of which is Australia. The Australian government would, I believe save more money doing that first, before searching for deceased pensioners. Various Australian heads of state in the past years have had the opportunity to get the UK to change a ridiculous ruling, but sadly none have. So if one thinks about it, the Australian taxpayer is in a way subsidising the UK pension system.
    KiwiKev
    13th Dec 2018
    3:45pm
    We already do this for our New Zealand Govt Pensions in Australia. Nothing difficult about it. Therefore it surprises me that the Australian Government doesn't do this for retirees living in other countries.
    Gra
    13th Dec 2018
    5:54pm
    Why hasn't it been necessary for pensioners living overseas to prove they are still living and entitled to their pension? They should have to report every 12 months and only get 6 weeks to do it, not 3 months. If we live in Australia we have to jump through all kinds of hoops but go overseas and you're doing it easy. Enough of the rot.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:02pm
    I agree here.. not necessarily with all of your comments...
    Andy
    13th Dec 2018
    5:56pm
    many things wrong when someone dies overseas the Australian embassy in that country notifies the Australian government so what is being suggested is just an unnecessary extra, first find out what is happening to those notifications who is not doing their job? problem solved
    Elizzy
    13th Dec 2018
    6:02pm
    No way. Do you know how much it costs me to travel to the Aus embassy of the country I live in? 400 km journey and at least one night in a hotel. We are already faced with that for passport renewal. You cannot make someone over 80 make that journey every two years. What if they are in a care home? Surely certification by a legal officer, doctor or police would be sufficient. What about a Skype call with Centrelink. Or fingerprints...??!!!!
    Gra
    13th Dec 2018
    6:15pm
    We don't care - that's your choice, suffer the consequences.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    6:17pm
    Use the money you save from living overseas to hire a car, or ask you 18 year old Thai wife to drive you
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:17pm
    Ooooh... nasty... nasty....
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    8:10pm
    Lothario you are showing what is between your ears is a void of nothingness with such a stupid & assumptive response.
    Gra, just an LNP troll perhaps. No empathy or understanding is a trait of an LNP troll.
    Elizzy. yes you make a good point. Skype or other real time video would & should be used but then again LNP trolls like the above will have some ridiculous brainless answers on why that's unacceptable.
    Jacka
    13th Dec 2018
    6:40pm
    Obviously all the clown's aren't in the circus. Let's rehash this old chestnut again. The Australian old age pension should only be paid to Australian residents, if you choose to live overseas in some third world country or elsewhere that is your choice, but no pension from the residential Australian taxpayers. Thank you, goodnight, Jacka.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:17pm
    Doesn't work that way, Jacka.. thank you for coming...
    Elizzy
    13th Dec 2018
    6:41pm
    Clancambo - I live overseas because I can't afford housing in Australia.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:18pm
    You don't have to justify why you live anywhere.... these people have no right to that information.
    Jacka
    13th Dec 2018
    6:57pm
    Jacka again, I would just like to congratulate Lothario on his or her comments, you seem like a very sensible person, what are you doing writing replies to these #@#@#. I often ask myself that very question. Anyhow good luck dealing with the idiots, God knows there's no lack of them. I suppose it saves the entry fee to the Circus. Cheers Jacka.
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    7:16pm
    Thank You Jacka

    Yes many "#@#@#" and just plain silly people on here

    Have you read the nonsense that people like Trebor, Mick and 1984 put out

    Makes me laugh. But seriously need to be corrected because some folks think they make sense . Go figure

    You have a great dat Jacka
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:20pm
    Ol' Trollstoy? Yeah - he's a beauty, Jacka.... he gives real people a laugh every day...

    Perhaps you'd like to refute anything that we learned persons of the faculty say.. with some facts and figures? Or are you just another gutter snipe who thinks a few nasty words says it all?

    Good thing you're not Jacko - he'd be ashamed of you... but you could be Joko...
    Cowboy Jim
    13th Dec 2018
    8:16pm
    Now I ask why 80 years and more. I do get a little pension of $100 a month from Switzerland and every year I have to get my local council to stamp my life certificate since I turned 65. How can Australia pay pensions to dead people all this time when other countries have all these checks in place years ago?
    Lothario
    13th Dec 2018
    8:59pm
    Why only over 80?

    So if you die at 65, your family can carry on receoving your pension for 15 years but any time over 80, thye only get to rort the system for a maximum 2 years

    Where is the justice in that?

    It should be monthly and if overpaid, should be recovered from the estate and whoever can be traced witrhdrawing the funds
    BundyGil
    13th Dec 2018
    9:46pm
    It's often impossible for an 80 yo to travel to an Australian embassy due to disability or illness. Some other mechanism would need to be implemented.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:04pm
    Online with Skype, someone suggested.... might work for some ...
    Jacka
    13th Dec 2018
    11:16pm
    Exactly Bundy Gil, by not paying overseas pensions the problem is solved. Ten out of ten you genius. Cheers Jacka.
    1984
    13th Dec 2018
    11:40pm
    Expats overseas are 100% entitled to there pension & NO ONE has the right to be dictating on where they live. Not even you Jacka ss
    A yearly check in for all those receiving the pension is fine but there are just as many rorts if not more here on our own soil.
    Eddy
    13th Dec 2018
    11:29pm
    So this government is expecting overseas pensioners over 80 to report to an embassy or consulate every two years. What a badly thought out and impractical idea. My late mother-in-law was 95 when she died (in Australia). She was no more capable of 'reporting' to anyone than I am of walking on the moon, especially if the place to report was in a distant city or another country. There has to be a better way, maybe a consular official should visit each over 80 who was incapable of visiting an embassy or local officials or a medical practitioner could certify the aged persons current state of living . Fraud will always happen, even for people living in Australia, if greedy relatives are involved but expecting very elderly peersons to report to an emabassy is a bit too much.
    GrayComputing
    14th Dec 2018
    12:00am
    ScoMo the PM still wants to give $50 Billion to the super rich and companies who pay no taxes
    And now we lose another $150 million in Pensions.
    ScoMo how about putting that $50 Billon into pensions and health??
    Lothario
    14th Dec 2018
    12:01am
    Who loses$150million
    Are you one of the rorters who will be caught out ?
    Hairy
    14th Dec 2018
    1:34pm
    I think our politicians should prove they are still alive I don’t see many results except pensioner discrimination week after week after week.they stole our pension fund now they want to worry us into an early grave ,what a mob of arseholes they all are.
    Linda
    14th Dec 2018
    1:37pm
    I agree that when people die and they are receiving a government pension or part pension, then their payments should stop. Even if they live overseas and have partners and maybe even children. We can't pay for the choices people make. I do feel great concern that the practical side of doing this could have intended or unintended gliches that could cause hardship unless the idea that is rolled out is very well designed. In some countries, snail mail does not arrive to destinations, computers can break down, so communications couild cause false positive a person is dead when in fact they are alive but are unable to receive mail or messages because they are too ill, away on holidays, or dealing with family emergencies. The rules around this must be such that everyone clearly knows what they must do to inform the government of a death. I feel certain there is fraud in some cases, but have no way of knowing how the 6,000. number was arrived at. My main worry is again, how it works in practice.
    Stick
    14th Dec 2018
    3:28pm
    This sounds like a Monty Python scrip. Go to an Australian Consulate every 2 years. Hey, Canada is a vast country. What am I to do hitch up the dog team and travel thousands of kilometers to the nearest Consulate/Embassy/High Commission? And what if i'm too sick or too disabled? Good Grief, give your head a shake "policy makers"!
    Cowboy Jim
    14th Dec 2018
    4:36pm
    Even pommie pensioners here go to the local council to have the certificate stamped, surprising that Australia cannot introduce a system like that. But do it at pension age not at 80 years of age. Here C/Link gives out application forms to claim overseas pensions and is also willing to stamp life certificates for the countries concerned. Really not rocket science!
    1984
    14th Dec 2018
    4:45pm
    Typical government knee jerk policy, no deep thought gone into it. Sounds like an idea from a 16 year old on work experience at the local federal office & the sitting MP has gone, good idea that lets introduce it.
    Noodles
    14th Dec 2018
    5:24pm
    I think this is a good idea...it would be hard indeed to keep track of pensioners who choose to live overseas and making them check in every 2 years is fine by me.
    Stick
    15th Dec 2018
    4:41pm
    Travel to a consulate should only be one option. Others could be verification by trusted officials such as bank managers, doctors, JP's, notaries public, etc.

    Re those making ignorant comments that you should only get the Age Pension in the country where you earned it: Australia has reciprocal agreements with many countries which allow people to receive foreign pensions while living in Australia, and people to receive their Australian Age pensions in other countries, to the benefit of BOTH Countries.
    Lothario
    15th Dec 2018
    4:46pm
    I woudnt trust any official in a 3rd world country . A $100 is a months wages , so slipping them a couple hundred for a 2 years worth of free pension is a good deal for the rorters

    If you chose to live outside Australia , you bloody well turn up to the embassy if you want to continue sponging off the taxpayer
    1984
    15th Dec 2018
    5:35pm
    Agree Stick. Just ignore all comments from the ignorant as they have no idea & only post uninformed comments bordering on stupidity.
    Arisaid
    15th Dec 2018
    8:09pm
    The problem as I see it from reading sooooo may comments is that a trustworthy official is needed to verify that you are still alive. In some countries I agree this could be a problem so a foolproof solution must be found. What that is I don't know, but thinking caps on please people. Personally I think the age of 80 is far too old to start this. It should be from when you start receiving the pension and annually.
    1984
    15th Dec 2018
    11:27pm
    Arisaid, it has been suggested that skype or real time or other live media be used along with a completed form that can be scanned, or photo on phone & sent to centrelink as we already do for updating centrelink. Skype interviews etc can also be saved by centrelink & added to your file
    All other countries to my knowledge don't require a trip to an Embassy or consulate but do require official verification in the country you are residing. Even 3rd world countries.
    The legislation as it is looks to me to be thought up by a 16 year old on work experience as no thought whatsoever has gone into it.
    Stick
    16th Dec 2018
    3:27am
    Couldn't agree more 1984. Education is a wonderful thing!
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    16th Dec 2018
    5:11pm
    My first reaction was ''that can't be right. They couldn't possibly be paying pensions to dead people'', but then I remembered a dear lady who asked me to help with her affairs when she went into aged care. I discovered she wasn't receiving her Comsuper pension entitlements. Hadn't been receiving them for 18 years. Comsuper's reply was ''Oh dear. She DID apply and we DID approve the application, but we forgot to tell her it was approved and we forgot to pay her''.

    No entitlement to interest of compensation of any kind either. Of course if they'd overpaid her it would have been a very different story!

    No wonder this country is in a mess! Bureaucrats can go 18 years ''forgetting'' to pay someone who IS entitled. It therefore should come as no surprise that they pay dead people year after year.

    I do hope they employ Robodebt to chase these criminals, demand they produce evidence of entitlement, and jail them if they don't fess up and pay up! Can't have any favouritism now. Just because they reside in an overseas grave doesn't mean they should be excused from paying their dues.
    ex PS
    18th Dec 2018
    9:24am
    Maybe if the government hadn't cut staff to government Departments this would have been picked up and rectified sooner. Have these idiots saved more than they have lost?
    Easy to manufacture a surplus if you provide a crap service.


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