Election 2016: we must wait for the result

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After eight long weeks of election campaigning, Australia must wait another few days at least to find out who will lead the country for the next three years (or until that party has a leadership spill).

At the current time, the Labor Party has 67 seats, the Coalition 65, and five awarded to minor parties. With 13 seats still to be counted, the Coalition must win 11 to form a government in its own right or face forming an alliance with crossbench MPs. While Labor needs only nine to form government, these are not expected to be forthcoming.

Despite promising ‘jobs and growth’ and economic stability, it seems the Coalition has fallen foul of Labor’s dubious, if effective, ‘Mediscare’ campaign. While some will question the legality of running such a campaign, many voters appear to have accepted the prospect of Medicare privatisation under Malcolm Turnbull’s watch.

All this may have bruised the current Prime Minister, but he remains confident that his government will prevail. Speaking on Sunday, he said, “Like all of us, Australians would have no doubt preferred a clearer outcome last night,” Mr Turnbull said. “I remain quietly confident that a majority Coalition government will be returned.”

And while we must wait until Tuesday before counting recommences, Mr Turnbull believes it will be the postal and early votes that will push the Coalition over the line.

“Now, as you know, our experience is that these postal votes and pre-poll votes, indeed, traditionally favour Liberal and National Party candidates, especially when they are incumbents.”

Should the Coalition fall short, Mr Turnbull may have to look to his adversary to help provide stability for the country. Stressing that Labor would not form a Coalition government with the Greens, Labor leader Bill Shorten declared that Mr Turnbull should look no further than him to find some “common ground”. 

“If Mr Turnbull would go back to being the centrist he used to be before he rolled Tony Abbott, I have no doubt there is some common ground we can work with them,” he said.

“It should not be beyond the pale of the Liberals to look at what they can do together with the Labor Party.”

Independents Andrew Wilkie and Cathy McGowan have ruled out working with any of the major parties, but not Bob Katter, who has already drawn up a list of issues he wishes to discuss. Nick Xenophon refused to speculate how a government might be formed while Greens’ Richard di Natale said he was ready to chat. “The mobile is charged and I’m waiting for the call and we’ll deal with that in the coming days,” Mr di Natale said.

Read more at ABC.net.au

Opinion: The leadership void

With neither Bill Shorten nor Malcolm Turnbull able to deliver victory for the their respective parties on Saturday, the knives are well and truly sharpened, with calls for both to the replaced.

As soon as it was clear that Mr Turnbull was struggling for numbers, News Limited columnist Andrew Bolt declared that it was time the Prime Minister packed his bags. But before Scott Morrison or Julie Bishop throw their hats in the ring, he believes that only Tony Abbott can save the country. Heaven help us.

And this morning another News Limited journalist, Terry McCrann, called for Mr Turnbull to go immediately, even if he does manage to scrape through a result for his party. 

Mr Shorten can’t rest easy either, with the police probing a text message scandal that saw Labor’s Queensland branch send text messages to voters, that looked like they had come from Medicare: “Mr Turnbull’s plans to privatise Medicare will take us down the road of no return. Time is running out to save Medicare.”

Should Mr Shorten fail to form a government, it is rumoured that Anthony Albanese could be persuaded to challenge the leadership of the party.

In a time when we need stability, it seems our political landscape is crumbling. Back in September when he challenged Tony Abbott for the leadership, Mr Turnbull was considered by many to be ‘a great hope’. The man who would not only save the ailing Coalition government but who would also lead with an even hand, making decisions that were the best for the country, not just those with vested financial interests.

What is now apparent is that Mr Turnbull should have ridden that wave of popularity straight to the polls last year, rather than have his credibility eroded by the deals he struck with the party’s more conservative members to secure their support.

Not only do we face a wait to see how our next government will be formed, we will have to see whether or not Mr Turnbull can hold onto the top job and if Bill Shorten will be a worthy adversary.

If the Coalition manages to form government, should Malcolm Turnbull remain Prime Minister? Do you think the rise of the Labor Party is indicative of Mr Turnbull’s poor performance? Should we have a second vote if the result is too close to call?

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    I really would like to know what Tony Abbot did that was so bad that everyone accused him of crucifying Jesus & what made everyone think Malcolm Turnbull would be the redeemer.
    Well how wrong were you?

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      Not withstanding Tony Abbott being a bit of a numpty when it came to policy making and unable to work with the senate, there was little doubt that the LNP would have been routed leaving a rump of party faithful in marginal seats. The old Turnbull would likely have been the redeemer and won easily however the neo-conservative Turnbull achieved pretty much asmight have been expected. The polls in the lead up to the election were in the ballpark so nobody should have been surprised about the result. Now we await the details.

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      Not as surprised as the LNP .

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      Well, BJ, by his own standards Abbott was a failure. He accused the Gillard govt of failing to get legislation through but whereas Abbott got only 61% of his legislation through, during the same timeframe Gillard got 76% of her legislation through. So by his own standards Abbott was a failure. And thats even before you start remembering his Captain’s Calls like knighting Prince Phillip, allowing his Chief of Staff to run the show and cause incredible dissent among MPs of his own party, etc.

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      Abbott’s lies brought him undone. ”No changes to pensions. No cuts to health. No cuts to education.” And he slashed all three, and then some. And worse, he lied about lying on pensions – claiming delaying the implementation date made the lie not a lie. Scandalous! He has nobody but himself to blame for his undignified demise.

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      Rubbish Rainey. These are normal election lies and the majority of people don’t take any notice of them at all.

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      He fumbled, stumbled and bumbled his way through a minimum of 30 180 degree turns in promises….. and was ably supported by his ‘poor people don’t use cars’ (etc as extended by my good self to every utterance of Joe’s – ‘homes’, ‘roads’.. you name it) Treasurer, Fat Joe…..

      Maybe they could re-spot Big Tony on the catapult ready for launch and bring Fat Joe back from his retirement job to lend support…. at least if Joe w3as back here we’d get something for our money.

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      Old Geezer I took a lot of notice of these election lies.

      Promise me one thing., Lock me in and deliver something entirely the opposite and expect me to take no notice.

      They’re lucky I haven’t taken to the streets yet and my daughter is mumbling something about heads on pikes.

      I’ll never trust the bastards ever again.

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      Well I take note of lies and we should demand them being up front and fair dinkum Abbott lies about his lies.

      Rae I know where your daughter is coming from I feel the bloody same.

      I will also never trust the bastards again !

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      HE LIED! REPEATEDLY!
      So has Turnbull. Let the pieces fall where they will.

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      You don’t sound like you like the outcome Mick. I’m hoping for a hung parliament myself.

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      When we brush deceit off as normal it is time to admit that politically we are a third world country and just give up. Lies are lies!

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      And should be punished. The reason we have a corrupt political system is because people do not care enough. We should lest we end up with a dictatorship.

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      As your Il Presidente I am happy to accept ONLY 96% of the vote!

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      Talking about a dictatorship MICK I find it amazing that a State Premier can sack all elected Council representatives and appoint his own developers without much media comment at all.

      Around here plenty of parks and lookouts owned by the people are going up for sale. The city’s local primary school was sold for a discounted price. The local hospital is under so much population growth stress that it is dangerous and the local high school is running at over 1400 students for a 800 built facility.

      The roads are a nightmare during peak hour when traffic literally crawls along into central gridlock areas short of parking.

      And jobs are fast disappearing as money flow contracts and local stores build self service centres so we can work for them for nothing and people do. They love serving themselves.

      The next bank crisis can’t be that far off with world debt levels as high as they are and velocity of money contracting everywhere except in the very expensive luxury businesses that the few very rich frequent.

      And the government whose only plan is to lower taxes for businesses that rarely pay tax anyway and for people earning over $80 000 a year wonders why we didn’t vote for them and cast a protest vote instead.

      Biggest mistake the LNP ever made was to sack the really experienced public servants and replace them with kids straight out of Neoliberal Propaganda 101 in our Universities.

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      Rae every thing you stated is happening everywhere — and I agree that the Uni graduates are just a product of the system and brain washed to what the powers that be want them to believe, I see it myself with the Uni students I know, the schools are working on it also.
      4Corners last night was typical — training kids of a young age to program robots — of course that would be a very interesting thing for them — ( or anyone really) I question where the hell do they expect the many jobs (and growth) when robots have and ARE taking over. So where do they expect these immigrants to work ??? As well as the older people they expect to work till the gae of 70!?

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      In reply to Rae – we don’t need councils at all. Some may argue we don’t need State parliaments either. Australia may have a lot more equity without them.

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      I have sympathy with your argument Rosret having been through awful times with two councils. But they do serve a purpose. The trouble is that they have become behemoths which go way beyond their original purpose of providing services. Now they waste money like they have a printing machine out back and employ a whole pile of highly paid people who produce nothing other than useless reports nobody reads and feel propaganda. And the public wonders who some of them have huge rates. Mine are approaching $3000 pa and for that we have decaying roads and half metre deep gully drain in front of our place, a waterfront which is a disgrace and a lagoon which is routinely opened with an excavator thereby killing most of the marine life therein. Oh yes, we get a garbage service.

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      These are normal election lies and the majority of people don’t take any notice of them at all.

      Well we do take notice, and really we sick of the same ole rubbish, thats why this has happened>?

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      BJ, if there is one thing worse than a liar it is a hypocrite, unfortunately Tony is both, he made such a big deal about Gillard and her alleged lie he had no choice but to fall on his sword over the lies he told in order to get elected. Unfortunately he did not have the personal integrity to do this and had to be knifed by his own people.

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    We should have a second election as voting is to close to have a majority & the two major parties & others should come up with a blueprint, workable & trustworthy plan for the nation to grow not just words with a untrusting smirky smile. We then may get the best outcome.

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      A second election is not required at this time. This is the way we voted and it is now up to those elected to make it work. Minority governments are not new and can produce quality outcomes.

      The GG will give both sides a chance in minority before calling for new elections.

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      A second election could produce the same result at a cost of millions.
      This election is how we voted. it is up to the Government in power to make it work.

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      I agree with Brian and Brue. The outcome is the way we voted. It is now up to the parties to find a way to make the result work.

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      Dolly I am inclined to agree with you. But if wee have another election can we ask these pollies to confirm that if they promise something, they have domne a realistic estimate of costs- and not a set of junk finance figures by some well-paid lackey calling themselves a finance expert. Then if that promise does not get done ( in a 12 month period) another election to vote them out. We will then be called the “lucky election country”- and be larfed at by the world as small population who can’t see past some vague promise that never gets done. The larf is on us all- we pay for their dreams.

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      After receiving those recorded messages and text messages from the Labor party I am disgusted. They were the worst example of dirty politics I have even seen and heard. Let’s hope that the high court challenge declares all Labor votes null and void.

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      NB I have already filed a complaint with the AEC.

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      What was wrong with messages warning people of something that the LNP had been threatening for years and had begun to carry out?

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      They are nothing but blatant lies. That is what is wrong with them.

      Medicare in it’s current form is not a good system. Having an operation in a public hospital is akin to winning the lottery. You wait, wait and wait some more and then you hope they get it right.

      A friend of mine needed an operation and had been waiting well over 6 months. I saw a doctor and was told I needed same operation and had the operation 3 days later in a private hospital with no complications. My friend however had same operation in a public hospital and had to have 2 lots of surgery to fix up the mistakes of the first operation. No I didn’t have to pay an extra as my health insurance covered the lot.

      Every time I go and see a specialist in a public hospital I feel like they are just going through the motions and I am waiting my time going there. All my private specialists seems to actually want to help and go out of their way to do so.

      I really pity anyone that has to use our public system as if they get the care I get them it’s just not OK.

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      Having lived in the US for a few years it is clear to me that a fully privatised system such as they endure is worse by far than any shortcomings of our public system – so whatever Medicare’s deficiencies it is better than putting healthcare solely in the hands of the private sector whose primary objective is to make a profit. On the issue of private hospitals vs. public I had a friend die in a private hospital following an operation because there were so few doctors on night call compared with the major public hospitals. So, OldGeezer, a much more objective view needs to be taken of the situation rather than one driven by political or ideology bias.

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      Old Geezer: Rainey is right, it was not “blantant” lies. Changes proposed during the last three years of Abbott/Turnbull have not been implemented due to Opposition and more would come, it’s the ethos of the Coalition. It’s the luck of the draw whether you get phone calls from the Coalition or Labor or Pollsters. For this election I had five phone calls from Malcolm Turnbull and one from Julie Bishop, only because my electorate (Eden-Monaro) had a redistribution and I got distributed into Gilmore. Gilmore has always been Liberal but this time we are undecided as yet. Eden-Monaro has been a bellwether since the 1970’s and this election they have returned the Labor Candidate who lost his seat to Peter Hendy who was one of two plotters to depose Abbott. Both have lost their seats. Whatever happens with Gilmore just indicates the swing to Labor even if the Coalition holds it.
      Besides these 6 Coalition phone calls in the final two weeks of the campaign, I didn’t receive one call from Labor, but received one call from Reachtel and one from Galaxy. This is the first time I have ever been considered for a phone call. And of course I am one of those pensioners being targeted.

      As to your statement re Medicare: Medicare is the “payment arm” not the hospital system and it works fine for me. I go to the doctor I put my bank card in their machine and pay from my savings, I then reintroduce my card to their machine and by the time I get home from the doctor and look at my bank account “on-line” my rebate from Medicare is already in my account. This is better than filling in forms and queueing at Medicare offices any day of the week.

      I can’t afford private health insurance anymore due to my finances after caring for my late husband who had MS for 24 years which caused me to retire at 55 (now 75) with life savings but no superannuation (worked in private enterprise) When I did health insurance for dozens of years I was so healthy I never had a claim on it. I go to my local GP who does not bulk bill. I am a single full age pensioner, after paying $62 for the visit, rebate $37.05 from Medicare it costs me $24.95.
      In the last 2.1/2 years I have been referred by my GP to an eye specialist for cataract operations on both eyes. For these two visits to the specialist I paid the specialist’s normal fee and received the Medicare rebate so was out of pocket a small amount. My two eye operations were bulk billed and the first one I waited approx. 9.1/2 months and the second one 6 months later. This did not inconvenience me and I received the same excellent service as the persons sitting alongside me with no after affects to the present day. The only other hospital experience has occurred in the last twelve months where I have just completed my fourth colonoscopy in that time due to my annual check-up in January 2015 showing blood in my faeces resulting in a malignant polyp in the rectum. My referral to the specialist at his private practice (which he built himself and operates for his private patients) could not have been more professional. For bulk billing patients (like myself) he also operates at the two local hospitals which are about 30 kms apart and his services to me are excellent. He is still there after the procedure has been completed and he comes and tells me the results and he has me already booked in for April 2017 to consult for the next colonoscopy which I have to have one a year for the next four years due to the malignant polyp (i.e. a five year watch programme). Above this he has scheduled me for CT scans and MRI’s after the malignancy of the chest, abdomen and pelvis as precautionary measures. I couldn’t praise him enough and what a great person he is. Before building his private practice which is half way between the two hospitals, he did all his private and public operations at the same two hospitals. Patients have all been treated with equal dignity and respect.

      There are always exceptions to the general rule but all we ever hear on TV is the complaints, but when we listen more carefully and hear the eventual outcomes matters are resolved in most cases. I don’t believe the great majority of GP’s and specialists go through all those years of studies and further studies after qualifying to end up jeopardising their careers. Why do you go to a public hospital to see a specialist and complain when you are so happy with your private specialists? I can’t see “pity” attending my public health system and if you are not being treated with due diligence and care then you should approach dispute resolution.
      I feel I may be much luckier than you in my health but I’m so pleased I have Medicare and bulk billing when I need it.
      You, yourself, are paying up front health insurance which I presume depending on its “type” covers you for every possibility and maybe even tax deductibility in part(?) but depending on what you are covering yourself for (not everyone can afford the lot) there is always some cost such as the cost of the insurance itself.
      This I cannot afford anymore. However from the initial introduction of Medicare in the Whitlam era (Medibank?) to the age of 55 when I had a forced retirement, I never claimed on it, but never begrudged paying the levy which benefitted the welfare recipients before me.

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      Aren’t you lucky to have private health and also to be able to pay the 8% to 15% increases each and every year. You realise as time goes by you may not be able to keep up with those annual hikes.

      If it wasn’t for the private system and the I’m better than you conservatives we’d have one decent universal health system and no waiting lists.

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      Did you know that these doctors have interns that operate on public patients? No thanks.

      No I am not lucky that I have private health insurance. I see it as the most important insurance one can have. I have thought being self insured but after two lots of $50,000 operations and another couple of $20,000 health incidents it is would take decades to save that sort of money instead. The last 12 months alone without anything major the rebates we got back would have paid for the health insurance premium twice over. Just dental check ups alone cover half the premium per year. So I have a choice pay the health insurance premium or pay more in health costs per year.

      Unfortunately I do have a couple of public hospital doctors on my team that I have to regularly see for checkups because put simply they are the only specialists of that kind in my area.

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      Hello Dolly (sorry, I can’t help myself) you may be right that we need another election because I believe there was a number of disgruntled voters who put in a protest vote who would normally vote for a major party and these voters may well change back. In saying that, the experts seem to be confident that a majority will be achieved with no need for another election.

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      All the Liberal Party trolls calling for ANOTHER ELECTION today. Why does that not surprise me. Same as in GB….when the arrogant incumbent elitist government lost their stoolies have come out crying ‘unfair’ and demanding another referendum.

      I noticed above that one of the trolls started on about the Medicare SMS on the morning of the election. Whilst this should not have happened there is a very real reason why it did occur: the GetUp site was hacked a couple of days before and I would have to believe that the Liberal Party had their fingerprints all over this. This was a crime! And the Medicare SMS was a reprisal. But as usual ‘poor me’. Give me a break.

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      No I don’t want another election I just want LNP and Labor to form a government with the independents in opposition.

      Getups like other online sites gets hacked regularly to test credit cards limit so that their black market sale price can be determined. Nothing to do with politics until the Murdoch papers gave the story a bad headline.

      Medicare text message was criminal in that it said it was from Medicare when later it was revealed it wasn’t The time of night it was sent was also timed for maximum impact as well. It is times like this that I’m an glad that most of my generation hasn’t taken up smart phones like the rest of the population. It would have been enough to frighten some older especially sick people. We all know politics is a dirty game but this took it to a whole new level.

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      OldBon, are you forgetting your previous post where you stated that there was nothing wrong with politicians lying and that it was normal. Or is that only if it is Tony Abbot doing the lying? Talking about lying, you have to have a good memory to be one.

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      Oldman it wasn’t a protest vote, it was a wake up call.

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      Oldman it wasn’t a protest vote, it was a wake up call.

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      Mitzy Why don’t you have your own paper.? You have taken up dozens of lines here to porop up a labor lie. Do you go around with an ear open- as it seems both yoyur eyes are closed to FACTS. Get a life away from red fed labor. You and all that mob are part of the problem this country is having. Sneaky deals that only the reds get to know about. Baaaa !
      Old Geazer was right. The Federal Police have started an enquirie into those phone messages. If you dare read their reports you will find more than Old Geazer got them. Dirty low tricks- Shortlived and his fellow scum.. Oh- I suppose you will say that is politically biased. What do you WANT Mitzy ????

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      Geezer: the text message was no worse than taking down GetUp, resulting in tag team player the Murdoch Courier Mail running the worst sort of anti Labor headline it could find.
      Tit for tat mate! Don’t complain unless coalition is clean…and that would stretching the truth to breaking point.
      We need honest and clean politics but I won’t be holding my breath.

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      Get up wasn’t politically motivated or personal. There is a big difference here. Personal text messages from Medicare are very personal in nature. Getup well what can I say does anyone take much notice of them any more? I’m certainly over all the stupid antics that goes on in that entity.

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      It was a protest vote. Don’t any of you folk read Facebook? The idea of a protest vote has been all over Facebook, twitter etc for weeks. I think you will find the young electronic voters had a lot to do with this happening. None of them know what the outcome would be and didn’t even care. Brexit was the same.

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      No good the LNP talking about dirty tricks. This is the same party that allowed the Children thrown overboard story to run even though they were informed within a couple of hours that it was horse sh*t. And the two major parties wonder why they lost 1.5 million primary votes between them.People are sick of the B.S. It’s time they started to work as elected representatives and negotiate sound policy that is fair and equitable to as many of the community as possible while looking after the Nations future. Something tells me they haven’t got the message even after this, otherwise they wouldn’t still be whinging about dirty tactics. Large swing against LNP had nothing to do with Medicare.

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      GetUp was planning to hand out ‘how to vote’ cards against the coalition. That’s why it was targeted. Politically motivated!
      The response was fair enough and the low lie Liberal Party and its stooges should not be upset when they get back as good as they give.

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      Old Greezer, Are you insinuating that the Libs don’t play dirty tricks — THEY are the very best at it and — they have already stuffed about with the Medical system and the PBS and they have wanted to do away with Medicare since they every had power — do you think they won’t — you can bet they will do it in an underhanded way as they have with the rest

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      Oars: Reading through the majority of posts here today, you may have outdone my lengthy post overall. Seeing as I only comment occasionally I don’t need my own paper and there is nothing wrong with either my ears, eyes or brain. I can see from the comments you have made to other posters, they have a similar biased outlook.
      The main thrust of what I wrote was my satisfaction with Medicare and the hospital system in general, and it was fact. Old Geezer has managed a further post where he indicates the “doctors” in public hospitals are allowing “their interns” to perform operations? There is just too much exaggeration and ascerbic comments at times on this website.
      The rest of your comments to me, a person you have no knowledge of, are unfounded. Since I commenced voting soon after I was eligible and I am now 75, my voting patterns have varied according to how I interpret the policies. And, as one cannot truly believe either major parties platforms completely, both are excellent liars and both are professional scare mongerers, all those years of voting I have swung from one party to the other, except for the last few elections where I have voted Independent in both the House of Reps and the Senate. A post I made just prior to this election I indicated I wouldn’t mind if we had a hung parliament again and the Senate reviewing and being a watch dog. I guess my ears and eyes were functioning close to the result we got.

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      YOUR very right there dolly

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      “The main thrust of what I wrote was my satisfaction with Medicare and the hospital system in general, and it was fact. Old Geezer has managed a further post where he indicates the “doctors” in public hospitals are allowing “their interns” to perform operations? There is just too much exaggeration and ascerbic comments at times on this website.”
      and you know OLd geezer is correct.
      I for one had to go to hospital for a simple op to my wrist for carpel tunnel. when it was done, it wasn’t bandaged properly and i could have sewed it back together better. When i went back to the surgeon, i told him that. Later on when i had to have the other one done. i’m sure the REAL surgeon did it then, cause you couldn’t even see the scar hardly, so that show experienced person did the job, unlike my first cut? So whose doing the surgery REally do we know after all we are knocked out!!!

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      Old Geezer, I hope that your complaint is successful and we have another election. I feel know that voters know that it is possible to get rid of these LNP fraudsters another vote would finish them off.

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    Voters are turning away from mainstream parties because the Coalition has lost the plot with their mean and cruel policies towards ordinary Australins in favour for tax avoiding corporations even if they kept the boat people out. Bill Shorten has done an excellent job bringing back stability to Labor. The only reason the election has been so close is because under Labor Australia will have a rush of boat people that is why One Nation got in.

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      Mm ! No kisses for Pauline here ! 🙂

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      Jackie (I assume you are female), please inform the rest of us of the
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      “mean and cruel policies towards ordinary Australins in favour for tax avoiding corporations”, from the Coalition.

      I, and many others, would appreciate your explanations of these “mean and cruel policies”.

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      One Nation has its supporters across the country who deserve representation even if their views are repugnant. Fortunately they will not determine policy regardless who forms the government.

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      No ! But they can make a noise about the other Rubbish that is shoved before them !! 🙂 🙂

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      and there views are just as repugnant as many from the mainstream parties and there followers.

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      hey Jackie i agree totally with you they have lost the plot and we wont stand to be pushed around any more they need to look after the average Australian and not the big end of town

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      hey Jackie i agree totally with you they have lost the plot and we wont stand to be pushed around any more they need to look after the average Australian and not the big end of town

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      Jackie you sound like an old-school laborite- who actually believed the lie that “shortfall “manufactured regarding medicare. It is sad to think that if labor got in on the basis of no policy except slamming a lie, then where does that leave us poor public- lead by a liar. Then Labor will continue to lie their way through another period- and grow a bigger debt for our kids and grandkids to pay for. Oh well it was just another lie to pass the post so maybe he can lie his way around the facts like a “BILL OF SUPPLY !!!- remember Kimlanye affair ( when Goff offered to sell the country out to an Offshore Sleez, to pay for his follies) Jackie or maybe you were not born then. Liars beget liars.

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      I got both the recorded message and the text message from Labor and I have never seen such dirty politics. That text message came through late at night and it shocked me. One can only wonder what it did to old folk who rely so heavily on Medicare and the PBS. Is this the sort of people we want running our country? Those who shock old grannies late at night.

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      Damn!!! Well said Oar!!

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      Hey Oars do you believe that the LNP has never told a lie to the Australian public . Liars beget liars

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      Oars – the ‘Khemlani Affair’ was about Labor deciding to borrow internationally in order to buy up resource rich land for future mining, and Khemlani was merely the go-between who was to be paid a percentage of what he could gather as loans as reward for service.

      A genuine storm in a teacup, and one that has come back to bite us in the arse over resources.

      It had nothing at all to do with ‘selling the country off to some offshore sleeze’… unlike the modern policy of permitting first and foremost foreign investors to dig up the same resources and offshore the profits.

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      Further – Gough’s idea was to place profits from those resources into a ‘sovereign fund’, much as Norway has done with North Sea gas/oil revenues etc – for the good of the entire country.

      I also forgot to add – re the offshore investors – they also tax the tax revenue offshore along with the profits.

      So much for capitalist enterprise… we Australians must be as dumb as a house brick to swallow that.

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      I agree with you jackie. Can’t you just tell who the rusted on poor losers are.

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      Well Oars just what then do you make of the LNP governments selling our Ports and electrical grids to the Communist Chinese government. Much less Cubbie Station with the source of the Murray Darling right there.

      Whitlam wanted to borrow Middle East money to buy and make public the mining resources, build a publicly owned gas pipeline and develop a publicly owned Uranium processing industry.

      This was to pay for all time the cost of public medical, free university and welfare.

      Of course if he had then the neo liberals would have privatised it all anyway and we still wouldn’t have anything to show for the sales.

      Talk about spending other people’s money. Take our hard built tax assets and sell them to the lowest bidder.

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      Wel, well well you out of date labor “scribes”. The Kinlaynee affair was after Goff had sacked most of his cabinet as they knew the end was nigh- and the Bill of Supply was the reason. The other fancyfull scenarios are just that. Oz was unable to pay their armed forces- and the police force got an interum amount as an ishort term wage to avoid local mayhem broking loose. What bunker were you lot hiding in- or were you just kidding me about those dark days. Goff could not arrange the deal as he had no Constitutional Power- and being a smart Lawyer, he knew that before they sacked him. What a Brear Rabbit trick- poor old Goff. Then the dirt mungers looked for a scapegoat- Gov General Kerr, who had been advised of his legal duties by the High Court Judges- all 3 , one of which was a fully paid up Laborite. Those are facts. Your screeds are just “marshmallow” not worth eating. Get facts before you open out your brains.

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      Read it and weep:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_Affair

      We old scribes – Labor or not (I’m not), are always right. the figure at the time was $300m – not $4bn – a huge sum in those days… and the ‘problem’ was supposed to be over the ‘finder’s fee’ to Khemlani of 2.5% – meaning a few lazy mill (a huge sum at the time)….

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      What someone said above is most likely correct – the ‘other side’ of politics here would have flogged the lot off for a song, and then complained about lack if tax revenue and profit remaining here, and then found a way to recoup the ‘shortfall’ from the taxpaying public.

      Kerr, contrary to his oath of office and his mandate as G-G, accepted advice from the Leader of the Opposition instead of the Prime Minister, and in doing so acted in contravention of the Westminster System of government.

      Nowadays, every resource project is flogged off to offshore corporates and usually includes a nice profit for local usual suspects who have a corner on the market, and Australia loses the profits and the tax revenue, while gaining an average of around 1000 temporary jobs per project.

      You’d have to have rocks in your head to enter into such a deal-making regimen.

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      Jacqui Lambie, God bless her, called out Julie Bishop on prime time TV. On 7 election coverage. No editing could occur and it was one of those priceless moments where bastards are held to account.
      Lambie told Bishop that they (coalition) have sold off everything and nothing was left. Thanks you Lord for the truth being relayed to the masses who would have no idea.
      Of course this is a part of our problem. As a nation we’ve flogged off the silverware and are now up to selling our freehold farming land to foreign governments, CHina in particular. That will come back to haunt our descendants who will curse our generation for doing it.
      LIBERAL PARTY: are you listening???????

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      Those in the know are not concerned MICK as they all have an acreage or estate somewhere that will serve their own families well. Under trust arrangements or linked to an SIV to protect them from risk and taxes.

      It is the little guy that has no idea that assets costing taxpayers billions to build are being flogged off and worse the billions of dollars in dividends earned each year no longer flow into government revenue. They should be charged with treason.

      Meanwhile the LNP supporters would no more think of selling their income producing assets than jumping off cliffs.

      Talk about squandering Other People’s Money.

      And yes it is too late now as even while we write these opinions the State LNP are selling whatever is left. Mostly to overseas governments and sovereign funds.

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      Spot on Rae. Jacqui Lambie made this point on prime TV Saturday night when she gave Julie Bishop a spray which could not be edited as the election coverage was live. One of the things she served to Bishop was that her government had sold off just about everything. Bishop stood there red faced and for once her nasty mouth stop working. Great to see.

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      I never saw that Mick would love to have seen the Nasty bitch Julie Bishop’s mouth shut, she is a real nasty bit of work that one — any way I can see that?

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    We could be governed by a Cage full of Canaries And only $6 a week for seeds !! Hang on !! isn’t that what we have now ?? 🙂 But at FAR Greater Expense 🙁

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    With “Fullabull” and “Short Bill” it will ALWAYS be a lose-lose situation, and Green’s “Di Tainee” you have another non-winner.

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      Yep a Blank card all round.

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      Yep a Blank card all round.

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      We have a heap of Independents. As long as they are not bought out we will see good government but of course the deadbeat Liberal Party may call another election if it fails to get its way after trying to bully the new guys. It will be an interesting parliament.

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      I’m more than contented with this result MICK.

      I just hope the independents do put their values, convictions and People first.

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      Ditto Rae. let’s see how it goes and what the coalition does to sabotage the new arrangements. Unless I am in paranoid mode I can see that these people will plot to get rid of them.

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    IF the LNP does keep power, how can there be a “strong and stable” government if led by a candidate who hides in his darkened house on election night when he sees the polls going against him?? TALK ABOUT BEING A BABY!!

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      he doesn’t like it when ordinary Australians can see right through him he forgets we vote as well not just his mates at the big end of town all politicians need to listen instead of trying to dictate to us

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      I think you’re right, Fast Eddie – there can’t be a “strong and stable” government if led by the LNP, whomever that leader ends up being.

      I think calling Malcolm a baby is a bit harsh – he had lots to think about before he spoke on Saturday night, and then ended up forgetting to say sorry and goodbye to his members who had clearly lost their seats. I think he was hoping for the counting to swing his way, but it just got worse and worse as the night went on.

      As I’ve said in past posts on this YLC forum, Malcolm should have shown some true grit and gone straight to an election when he rolled Abbott. He should have gone there to seek a mandate on his own truly liberal policies and told the far right who made him PM to stick it. Abbott would have resigned (because the LNP would not permit yet another destabilizing change of PM – Rudd/Gillard/Rudd-style), along with some other dead wood from the far right. With the decks cleared, he could have brought in his marriage equality legislation (minus the hate campaign and 100’s of millions of $$$ wasted on a plebiscite), Gonski reforms to education and maybe even a proper NBN befitting of a modern economy looking to the future.

      Australia would be in a much better position if Malcolm had shown some metal.

      Clearly, people aren’t stupid enough to believe in “trickle-down” chicken feed economics any more. Every businessperson knows you have to spend money to make money. So the Govt should spend it on infrastructure and services for the people – we’ll be rewarded with a decent society as well as grassroots growth and fair dinkum jobs. With money in the hands of consumers – they’ll spend it, creating demand. It’s called “the multiplier effect”. It’s good for business, too.

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      Eddie: the coalition were never a stable government nor does it have any jobs. These are illusions and the lies of choice for the election….along with Morrison’s $2.3 billion placard claiming welfare savings 2 days before the election.
      This crew are the same unashamed liars we have tolerated for 3 years, after average Australians, whilst trying on a transfer of national wealth from poor to rich. RIP!

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    Mr. Turnbull should resign and go to the occupation that he would shine in, a used car salesman

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      Yes but would you buy a car from him.

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      “Night Stalker” Car Sales.

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      That’s what Tony Abbott became. A used up car salesman who failed his mates up the Windsor Road.

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      Nor do I foirget. The Gillard Rudd spending spree that has put this country into a spin and DEBT for genertions. They who grow old shall not forget- so let’s remind that mob, and therir blind followers, about their blow-out their style of spendup- we WILL REMEMBER THEM – even after the going down of the sun. Oh yeah. !!!!!

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      Apparently the LNP have forgotten that they have trebled the defecit since being in office even with a budget emergency . they have created bigger debt and deficit.

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      Kato, Oars lets not forget that it was Ms Gillard who legislated ‘reforms’ like the unfunded NDIS that only came into being AFTER she was thrown out of office leaving the next government to deal with the pre-laden debt. That happened to be Mr Abbott/Mr Shorten. And now, through this campaign, Mr Shorten has promised to ADD $60b to the debt over the next 4 years should he gain government. Unfortunately the handouts from Mr Shorten coupled with the outrageous lies perpetuated by him and the Unions on Medicare, both bribed and scared many into voting Labor.

      Yes we will remember them!

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      And then there’s the Coalition’s $50 billion tax cuts to big business, plus the next four years of deficits from them too until they both attain surpluses thereafter??? Can you believe either of them? I don’t think so.
      What is irritating at present is with no result the Coalition’s two full weeks of pontificating on “stability” is right out the back door when they could be thinking of re-producing Abbott and dumping Turnbull. The way the vote has gone thus far it just shows how blinkered this Coalition is when they knew they wouldn’t win with Abbott and dumped him for Turnbull and now they want him back. They are still not listening or taking notice of the people of Australia who have just cast their votes. If either one of the major parties form a government, all I can say is thank God for the extra independents etc. etc. we will now have in the Senate. It could be a headache picking a new “Speaker”.

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      You right wing stoolie KSS. How about going back and finding fault with the Hawke government…..rather than concentrating on THE CURRENT ONE.
      And if you want to talk about “debt” then mention the $100 billion Abbott and Turnbull have added to our debt whilst achieving exactly NOTHING OTHER THAN ATTACKING working Australians.
      We are better without these malicious lying bastards. Time for the front bench to resign and let a new batch come forth!
      And for the record your coalition government NEVER achieve anything significant. I googled that in could find zip. All they do is sack workers, reduce their wages and send money to the bank accounts of the top end of town.

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      Mick you can’t turn the Stralia ship on a dime without major economic damage and that is precisely why the debt continued to go up. Labor had left just too many timebombs and over estimate revenue forecasts to service these timebombs. That Gonski and NDP to name a couple are just way too expensive on a falling revenue base with the demise of the resources boom.

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      HAVE those crazy Australians done it again?

      Have they fluked the best of all possible election outcomes — a minority Labor Government in the House of Representatives and a motley bunch of crossbenchers controlling the Senate?

      When they last did this the administration was condemned as dysfunctional by the Coalition Opposition and the mainstream media. But to those who examine hard data – actual facts and figures – the Gillard/Rudd Government from 2010 to 2013 delivered better outcomes for its citizens than any Australian government before or since. And greater success than any government in the world at that time.

      Let’s consider some of that data which the conservative media and other powers want concealed.

      But first, what are the chances of such a result again?

      According to the Australian Electoral Commission this morning, Labor has won 71 seats and the Coalition 67. The Greens should support Labor, as in the past. So should independents Cathy McGowan and Andrew Wilkie (though the former has already been approached by Malcom Turnbull). Bob Katter and the two Nick Xenophon MPs will probably support the Coalition. That gives Labor 74 and the Coalition 70 seats in the 150-seat House. Six remain in doubt. Labor could win none, some or all six.
      HAVE those crazy Australians done it again?

      Have they fluked the best of all possible election outcomes — a minority Labor Government in the House of Representatives and a motley bunch of crossbenchers controlling the Senate?

      When they last did this the administration was condemned as dysfunctional by the Coalition Opposition and the mainstream media. But to those who examine hard data – actual facts and figures – the Gillard/Rudd Government from 2010 to 2013 delivered better outcomes for its citizens than any Australian government before or since. And greater success than any government in the world at that time.

      Let’s consider some of that data which the conservative media and other powers want concealed.

      But first, what are the chances of such a result again?

      According to the Australian Electoral Commission this morning, Labor has won 71 seats and the Coalition 67. The Greens should support Labor, as in the past. So should independents Cathy McGowan and Andrew Wilkie (though the former has already been approached by Malcom Turnbull). Bob Katter and the two Nick Xenophon MPs will probably support the Coalition. That gives Labor 74 and the Coalition 70 seats in the 150-seat House. Six remain in doubt. Labor could win none, some or all six.
      3. Jobs and growth

      Jobs have been lost and growth has stagnated in Australia since the last election. Worsening unemployment has been masked by the shift from full-time to part-time and casual workers — that and the blatant falsehoods of the Coalition Government and the media.

      The latest jobs figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) show:

      Full-time employees are now 64.4% of the work force — an all-time low.
      Hours worked relative to the population have fallen to the lowest level since 1993.
      Job participation has fallen to 64.8%, below the level three years ago.
      4. Overall economic management

      The Coalition in Opposition back in 2012 and 2013, identified 23 problem areas in Australia’s economy under Labor which it promised to fix. Most are listed here and here.

      All 23 of these have deteriorated since 2013 — relative to Labor’s levels, or relative to the rest of the developed world, or both.

      5. Ministerial integrity

      The Howard Government had 15 ministers resign for incompetence or integrity issues. The Abbott/Turnbull Government has had ten removed from executive positions for incompetence or integrity matters – in 34 months.

      In contrast, the five years and 10 months of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd period saw only one minister sidelined for a minor competence failure. Joel Fitzgibbon resigned in June 2009. He was reinstated in July 2013. (Note: this does not count departures for loyalty-to-the-leader issues. That is a different category.)

      6. Legislative reform

      Parliamentary records show the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd period had one of the highest rates of legislation passed. It also appears to have had the highest rate of any administration of bills opposed by an obstructionist Opposition.
      7. Foreign affairs

      Labor’s achievements include:

      Restoring overseas aid cut by the Howard Government.
      Fixing relations with Indonesia fractured by the previous regime.
      Restoring relations with the Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea and elsewhere.
      Gaining a seat on the United Nations Security Council.
      Chairing the Pacific Island Forum.
      Chairing the G20 group of the world’s 20 major economies.

      8. Health care and welfare

      According to Professor Stiglitz, reflecting on the Labor years,

      ‘Australia’s public services are the envy of the world. Its health-care system delivers better outcomes than the U.S., at a fraction of the cost.’
      9. Telling the truth

      Blatantly lying to the electorate is one area where Labor has never matched the Coalition. Independent Australia’s latest tally of blatant porkies by past and present party leaders shows:

      John Howard 27
      Brendan Nelson 0
      Malcolm Turnbull 11
      Kevin Rudd 3
      Julia Gillard 0
      Tony Abbott 73
      Bill Shorten 1
      10. Global accolades

      These include:

      Highest median wealth in the world, according to Credit Suisse.
      Highest economic freedom in the OECD, according to Heritage Foundation.
      Infrastructure minister of the year award from London-based Infrastructure Investor.
      Euromoney award for world’s best treasurer.
      Julia Gillard’s record four-minute standing ovation after addressing a joint sitting of the U.S. Congress.
      Australia’s experience from 2010 to 2013 is not unique. British Conservative leader David Cameron in 2010 was forced into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats – which in the UK really means “liberal” – and it worked well.

      Alliances have been effective also in Denmark, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Sweden and Switzerland. In fact, eight out of the 10 AAA-rated countries now have, or recently have had, coalitions of disparate parties. Canada and Singapore are the exceptions.

      Why do they work so well? Is it that any stuff-up could cause the regime to collapse at any moment? A tenuous grip on power – and on the perks that go with it – focuses the mind and sharpens the instincts. Is it simply that negotiation among divergent interest groups yields superior decisions?

      The Labor/Greens/Independents alliance certainly worked well before. The evidence is compelling. Those who claim otherwise are mistaken. Or lying to us. Again.

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      Geezer: you must be on another planet. Or is it just another Liberal destabilising any other party?
      NBN – that is what first world nations are building. Your mob would leave us on dial-up copper if it hat its way.
      Gonski – yeah….fund your private schools and let the peasants have a third world education to keep them in poverty.
      Medicare – as above.
      You wonder why I get a bit riled up mate. Where in God’s name do you come from??????

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    This result was always on the cards and is, in my opinion, a reflection of the dissatisfaction with the party political system we inherited from the Old Country.
    The Westminster system was largely the creation of lawyers with the result is based upon an adversarial system, as per English Law. In other words our Parliamentary system is not one where the expectation is that MPs will actually work together for the sake of the country.
    Having a hung parliament has every possibility of giving a more democratic result as the party with nominal power must rely on MPs with a different perspective in order to function. This can be done and done well but the 2 major parties always decry this system because they cannot cut loose with any extreme polices similar to what we have seen over the last couple of years.
    I believe Turnbull is now a dead man walking in the Liberal Party as the knives are out for him but under Abbott they would have been totally destroyed at the election.
    The business about a challenge to Shorten seems to have come from a Murdoch media outlet a couple of days before the election so both sides of politics have been fiddling with the truth.

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      Exactly Tom Tank. People have voted in some Independents so whichever side takes government, they must work with those elected representatives. That of course is what Gillard had to do and the Liberals never gave her a break under opposition leader Abbott. Yet,contrary to their constant derisive howls, she got a lot of important legislation through, think disability act, think Murray Darling Act, etc. She successfully worked with a diverse bunch of ‘others’ but it was always in the interests of the opposition to make out it wasn’t working. Now the Libs may have to do the same and it is just KARMA!

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      Tom you dream. History shows- even the Westminster system that you bag- shows that a hung government leads to total chaos in a very short time. Can you honestly believe that the likes of “Tex hat” and ” Drivel mouth Stench” take a lead in this (once was) great country ? I will start praying for a revolution- a revolution of basic common sense rather that the current “die-hard biased politics” that reverts back to the 1960’s when “we were so young and free”. God knows what has happened in that short time- probably too many unskilled imports who have placed a huge a burden on our FREE welfare system. The money jar has run out but nobody seems to care.

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      Oars, the money jar hasn’t run out. There is NO money jar. Governments PRINT money.
      The welfare system is not FREE – we all pay for it. It is essential. Have you learned nothing from history?
      Do you really think that terms like “Tex hat” and “Drivel mouth Stench” lend credibility to your claims? Ranting and shopkeeper economics is no qualification set for credibility on anything much.

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      A Nation with it’s own currency cannot have the money jar run out.

      The government can sell bonds and spend to raise the velocity of money or raise taxes to withdraw money from the system.

      That is why the buying of submarines and the $50 billion tax cuts to business isn’t a problem.

      The attack on minimum wages and pensions is purely ideological.

      You see as far as the LNP far right is concerned only business owners work hard enough to be paid properly. Everyone else is a bludger.

      There is no society and spending other people’s money is always about the business persons taxes but never about the ordinary taxpayer’s assets bought by PAYG taxes and sold for often less than the cost of the build.

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      Top post Tom.
      Murdoch is a cancer in our society. The man needs to take his business to the US. We do not need him or want him.
      You are spot on about his empire’s all out attack 3 days before the election, let alone his nasty Telegraph front pages. The courier Mail ran the story “Getup Fraud Scam” after the website payments system was hacked. The hack highly likely has links back to the Liberal Party, so where is the investigation?
      Oars is here trying on damage control but what his employer should be doing is what ANdrew Bolt has called for: TURNBULL TO RESIGN!

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      It would be nice if Talkbull took Bolt’s suggestion to heart, MICK. I’d love to see Mal (Spanish for “bad”) step up to the microphone, make this announcement, and do his last “bird dance”. A bit more animation and he could join “Midnight Oil”, Mal does, after all, favour the darkness.

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      Mick still has that 1960’s “chip” on both shoulders. As soon as his favorite (and always will be ) party gets a razzing- he calls us all “into damage controil”. In case you haven’t heard Mick, this is the platform that some people make sense, and dont curlk tgheir lip when the party they support get rubbished. I have no boss as I work (still) for myself. No fancy bank balance, no flash car- a bloody good home that I built myself with my bare hands over 25 years, and that is why can say I am a WORKER. The other frail comment that raised it’s usual biased head was that we are losing (or have lost) the real purpose of a democratically elected government. Governments are supposed to be free of corruption, bias, and above all free from physical or VERBALl threats. Could you could get by with such a system, or would you prefer the “como conglomerate” that passed us a few years ago with their unfounded, unfunded pipe dreams, and left us to pay their spend-up bill. Are those “leaders of the people” living in poverty- and do they care a tuppeny about the werkers ??? ey ?

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      Bring on the chaos! Both parties need a savage wakeup call, something to jolt them out of their navel-gazing self-complacent addiction to ideologies long out-worn, and pushing ‘issues’ that the majority of Australians have no interest in or time for while trying to make ends meet.

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      I have no chips on my shoulder Oars. Unlike some I am not a rusted on troll either and I’ll back whoever wants to work for our country. You my friend clearly have a political agenda which is contrary to the needs of our nation….tax cuts for the already wealthy? I’d say so.

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    Talk about a National catastrophy. Now we will be run by a small group of nitwits with no agenda at all. As Goff said once “God help Australia” and other stuff too.
    Watch the budget blow out to “funny money” proportions- roll on the 3rd AFC ( Australian Financial Crisis. !!!)

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      Yes can’t you see it. Bob Katter running the lower house and Derryn Hinch the upper house. And we thought the Yanks had lost the plot with Donald Trump.

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      “upper house and lower house”? Neither one of them could run an “out house”!

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      Agree that is what happens when people do stupid things and wonder why they get even more silly outcomes.

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      The problem is called change and the Long established politicians who think they are the be all and end all had better get used to it. If they can’t pass THERE bill then the senate is there for compromise not petulance and self ego. The problem with the LNP not getting bills through the last senate can only be placed on there own shoulders.
      do it our way or no way. how many of the morons are waking up to the fact that people have had a gut full of them That is the message the electorate has sent.
      Instead of trying to use a scare campaign of brexit fear and financial chaos there has only been one party holding this country to financial ransom and that is the fear mongering LNP. An absolute disgrace they have to be the worst example sent to our young what not to be in Politics.

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      That’s right, Kato. Mal Fullabull is weak as p_ss and is a dead man walking even if the LNP retains power, and I really doubt that will be the case. He has done nothing since he has been PM and hasn’t even PICKED UP the ball, let alone drop it like he did with the NBN. For someone to hide in his dark house and refuse to face the realities of the election not going his way until being enticed out by Channel 7 and Alan Jones is not only NOT fit to be a leader, but isn’t even fit to be a night cleaner. No balls to even face the public until shamed to do so!

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      Funny troll Oars! I might think that the whole Liberal Party is made up of psychologically disturbed “nitwits”. I mean how can any decent human being act like these pariahs who act like they own the country and we are their servants?
      The Independents who made up the numbers in the senate last time DID US PROUD. What happens from here on remains to be seen but Nick Xenophon is a calming influence and he should make sure there are no shenanigans from your deadbeat employer.
      Of course the counting is not yet over. My one concern is that the Postal Votes go the Electoral Commission via the government. Be on notice Oars, and please pass on to party HQ, IF YOU TAMPER WITH THESE THEN SOMEBODY WILL BE GOING TO JAIL. Try it!

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      oh dear Mick what planet are you on? Independents did nothing but stop the government trying to turning our country round and out of debt.

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      Sometimes you have to cut right down to the good timber to make a piece good and strong again, and maybe save the tree….

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      Another slogan Geezer?
      Your post is worth as much as Morrison fronting up 3 days before the election with his $2.3 billion savings he claimed to miraculously found on the eve of the election.
      Your post is a lie but then what else does one expect from the Liberal Party….the ‘onion’ party – lies encased by more lies, etc. Sadly on the nose!

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    What a stupid proposition. Why would Shorten resign and what pressure would come from the ALP to do so? He has delivered what has never been done before in Australian politics. His campaign has forced a first term Government to be reduced to at best a razor thin majority, but more probably a minority Government. Good luck with that!
    While I agree Turnbull can now be aptly described as the outgoing PM whether the LNP form Government or not, to propose Shorten has failed is to ignore the gains the ALP has made in this election. When we go to the next election in a few short months, expect the result to be much clearer as people have had the opportunity to see the new woth of Shorten,
    And no, I didn’t vote ALP!

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      Lets see another election in one month, while voters still remember shortfall’s dirt campaign. Yes, lets do that. Shortfall will live up to his nickname then. Medicare was never going to be scrubbed- 75% of the Lib voters require medicare, not just those “top end of town” (who pay 10 times our share but get no more back for it). You gotta get real guys. This 2016 not 1996. Pleeeease.

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      I don’t think I could listen to Albo’s nasal off-key twang for three years. Shorten’s Grade-2 Primary iambic pentameter reading voice is bad enough. But mostly he seems to make sense. Not Albo, please.

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      Well Oars, Medicare under the Coalition won’t be there to be ‘scrubbed’. They have already started to erode it. Under the Coalition it will simply fray at the ends and disappear. No need to ‘scrub’ something that doesn’t exist any more.

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      If Labor cannibalises its leader after such a good election result it deserves to not get into government for the next decade. I seriously doubt anybody with an ego would be that stupid. Only happens in the Liberal Party does it not………..oh yeah, “the Liberal Party does not knife if leaders” – Abbott.

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      That’s right Oars, lets keep having elections until you get the government you want.

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      wHY IN HELL i want to know was medicare practically shredded……Really. I’m not impressed, having to sit at the hospital for 8 hrs i’m told, I”M old. My lungs were wheezing, even the ambo’s seemed to be too busy to notice, i had a fever. YOU know the whole systems collasping, and nobody gives a bugger……NOT good enough Turnbull.
      I worked Hard IN this country. I was born here, and Hardly used to the system, exept in an emergency, i do believe i should be treated better!!!
      Even the Doctors, they don’t seem to comprehend what you talking about, therefore not getting to the problem.
      I”m so NOT impressed!!!

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Australia Day is the anniversary of the arrival of the First Fleet in Australia. On 26 January 1788, 11 convict...

Community

Speaking up for the disappearing art of listening

Columnist Peter Leith is 91 and describes himself as "half-deaf and half-blind". But he sees and hears a lot and...

Beauty

Hyperpigmentation: How to tackle those tricky dark patches on your ski

There are plenty of great things about summer - sunshine, picnics and fruity cocktails immediately spring to mind - but...

Australia

Enthralling, dystopian, sublime: NGV Triennial has a huge 'wow' factor

Refik Anadol: Quantum memories 2020 (render) custom software, quantum computing, generative algorithm with artificial intelligence (AI), real time digital animation...

Australia

Where to eat, drink and play on Kangaroo Island

Australia's third largest island is an oasis of pristine wilderness, premium produce and hidden secrets ripe for discovery. Easily accessible...

COVID-19

Will you need a vaccination to visit Australian venues?

State premiers have suggested that once vaccinations begin in Australia, those without vaccinations may be banned from visiting some venues...

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