New/Old PM hits town

Kevin Rudd replaced Julia Gillard as head of the Labor Party last night

New/Old PM hits town

New/Old Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd replaced Julia Gillard as head of the Labor Party last night. With a vote of 57 to Ms. Gillard’s 45, Mr Rudd seized back the job from which he had been ejected three years ago, almost to the day.

Ms. Gillard had stated that the loser should leave politics and so she will not re-contest the federal seat of Lalor, in inner Western Melbourne. Along with Ms. Gillard’s resignation, an extraordinary day in Australian politics saw the resignations of her supporters Government Senate Leader and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, Trade Minister Craig Emerson, Treasurer Wayne Swan and Education Minister Peter Garratt. Earlier in the day, two influential independent MPs, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor also said they would not re-contest their seats in Election 2014.

The Liberal Party have jumped in with a YouTube video to remind us all that Mr. Rudd’s colleagues consider him guilty of dysfunction and treachery. In his ‘victory’ speech, Mr. Rudd praised his predecessor Ms. Gillard’s hard work and achievements. An interesting side note is that the Labor Government is a minority government dependent upon the cross benchers – who may not support a Rudd Government for longer than a day.

See the ABC TV coverage

Read more at the Liberal Party website


Opinion: Good luck Kev, you’ll need it

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Unless, of course, it’s one K. Rudd, who has so detested the Labor Party dumping on him back in 2010, that he has consistently white-anted his own party, with leaks to Laurie Oakes and any other journalist likely to publish his version of the ‘truth’ of his removal.

Well now Mr. Rudd has got what he wanted. Along the way he has pretty well destroyed the careers of many colleagues, including Simon Crean, Kim Carr, Martin Ferguson and, more recently, the above-mentioned ministers who took a hit for the team yesterday.

The irony is, if Mr. Rudd really does care about Labor Party values and policy, then he has probably, single-handedly, done more to discredit them than any other individual, including the man whose role it is to achieve this, Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott.

So off we go to the polls with only about 50 per cent of the Labor Cabinet as we knew it prior to 7pm yesterday. The former Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, was gracious and calm in her concession speech. But she is gone. Now we have Kevin 07 to lead the rump of the Labor Party to victory in September, August, or whenever.

I doubt he is up to it.

What do you think? Is the change in Labor leadership a good thing? Can Kevin Rudd lead the party to victory?





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    nitzka
    27th Jun 2013
    10:21am
    sad day today....Undermining Rudd back in.....Does not deserve any success for his unloyal and treacherous behaviour......Julia was originally put into P/Ms role, due to the dysfunctional manner Rudd tried to run the party(Plenty of procrastination)..She proved what a great and strong leader she was....and will be remembered in the history books..very favourably i by many of us, for all she succeeded in.......Good to note at least half a dozen of her loyal colleagues are not going to serve under Rudd-.......Regretfully the biggest swing we will all witness in this forthcoming election ,will be a protest vote, under the guise of an informal vote....
    .r
    Paddles
    27th Jun 2013
    1:47pm
    Given Julia's decision to sexualise the political contest, do you find it interesting that the immediate defections from her front bench did not include any of the women who were so vociferous in supporting her gender bias claims?
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    6:49pm
    Paddles
    If I were a woman, I wouldn't agree with gender bias, so would support that aspect..... but that does not mean that I would support all aspects of policies or strategies. So your point is loose and unfounded, IMO.

    You also need to note that Rudd has always positively promoted women and does NOT agree with gender bias.

    This may be the reason he has women's support....yes!

    Abbott does not have the same positive attitude towards women..... quite the contrary ..... he is a misogynist.

    How wonderful for Australia, if Abbott gets in (kill me), that we have a person who hates HALF the population unless they stay true to his DARK AGE concept of a 'woman's place'.
    lorra
    28th Jun 2013
    9:51am
    This is a very sad time, with all these people who have very short term memories, totally overlooking the damage done by Rudd. Unbelievably he (via the Labor Party) sent me an email yesterday, gloating and then begging for MONEY to support him???
    How did they ever get my email address??? I have NEVER contacted them. How could anyone AFFORD to give them any more money to waste????
    Paddles
    28th Jun 2013
    10:42am
    Mussitate

    How often must this topic be dealt with to persuade people to look beyond the facile "tagging" of others based upon their own narrow perspective?

    It is easy to label someone a misogynist or a racist and probably almost as easy to quote acts or speeches to support such a contention but it is only the person so described who can accurately deny or validate such labelling. The rest of us can only consider the known facts and they are that Tony Abbott has CHOSEN to be surrounded by strong, competent women apart from his wife and three daughters. His chief-of-staff is a woman and he has more women on his personal staff than any other leader but I suppose that you and your kind could twist that to say that he seeks a position of dominance.

    I am NOT a member of the Abbott fan club but I deplore the mindless cant of those ideologues who traduce him without ever having met him or had a one on one talk with him. Had you chosen to label Julia Gillard a misandrist I would have defended her in similar vein because, personally, I abandoned name calling in primary school.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    11:17am
    "Abbott does not have the same positive attitude towards women..... quite the contrary ..... he is a misogynist."
    WELL WELL WELL another absolutely mindless lot of drivel by Mussitate. Can anyone help out on this most important question - has Mussitate got a brain ?
    minnie
    27th Jun 2013
    10:34am
    I'm gutted, this man has been undermining and divisive since she won the leadership. I noticed in the media it's called a 'coup' when he did it, but a 'backstabbing' when Julia did... pity the poor person to challenge this meglomanic who spent more time destroying his party than getting on with the job at hand. Australia should feel ashamed at the way they treated Julia Gilliard and the opposition should never be forgotten for the misogynist treasonists they are. I can't see a women in the PM's seat for many many years if ever after this, why would anyone want to go down this road.

    Only winners last night Tony Abbott, Rupert Murdoch, Gina Rhinehart and Pell. Very disturbing for our future!
    Beemee
    27th Jun 2013
    11:05am
    Did you note WHO stated 'coup" and who stated "backstabbing"? Probably the media who will sway voters by the words they use.
    She got her just desserts and because she did exactly the same to Rudd, and deserves it. It is the PEOPLE who put PM's into power and we expect at the very least for them to remain in that position full term. I don't care what job Rudd did when JG ousted him, he should have been allowed to finish the full term, and then the people at the end of the term decide at the polls whether he was to return to that position or not.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    11:06am
    'coup' versus 'backstabbing'. What a potent observation Minnie! Thanks for highlighting it because I'm ashamed to say it washed right over me and probably many others. Says so much: 'heroic male militarism' versus 'female b**tch'. Having our first female PM has opened my eyes to the infantile nature of our country. We lost a PM of real quality last night.
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    12:02pm
    We lost a strong, dignified lady last night - replaced by a small man, in so many ways
    tia-maria
    27th Jun 2013
    12:16pm
    Julia would be the worse PM in the history of Australia and a female at that............go back to Wales Julia and try your luck in your home land Barry and stuff that up like U did here.
    Innyoo
    27th Jun 2013
    3:58pm
    I can't see how the opposition can be called misogynist when it is Labor that is always carrying on about it, Julia wasn't given a hard time because she was a she, but because she did such a bad job... the opposition have only questioned the policies and laws being voted in because they are bad, not because Julia is female. Unlike Julia, who keeps denigrating men because they happen to be men.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    7:11pm
    Rudd & Gillard have done a great job for Australia. One is not greater than the other, however, many of the plans and strategies were laid down by Rudd and Gillard followed this plan - Rudd's plans were good and Gillard was smart and implemented them.

    Australia has been managed brilliantly and we are currently the best of the best of the best!

    Economically we are on top of the world, surpassing all expectations, having achieved more than any other country in history, irrespective of the GFC.

    Average and Disadvantaged Australians have the best standard of living ever!

    To vote in Murdoch's marionette from the Dark Ages, will reverse that process and TAKE from the POOR to GIVE to the RICH. How quickly we will tumble!!!

    Abbott is a fool and reminds me so much of GW BUSH and look what he did to that (once) mighty nation.

    Titch..... that is Welsh, is it not? Understand your sentiments but Rudd has always supported women and is EXCEPTIONAL at managing Australia.

    Tia Maria..... you sound as if you have started a little early and got carried away but okay simply don't forget that it was Labor's Policies, Plans, Strategies, and Timing that has put us on top of the world. Not just the person.

    Innyoo.... what can I say.... misogynist? Labor has brought Australia to the pinnacle of WORLD success and the highest standard of living EVER for Australians, in a time when all other countries are failing and you call their changes BAD?????????????????

    It is not a time to stick to a party because you always have, it is a time to vote with your head and not be propagandised by Murdoch and his marionette (Abbott) who belong in the Dark Ages - dinosaurs both.
    BettyBoo
    28th Jun 2013
    12:26am
    I'm gutted too Minnie. Julia is a wonderful role model and inspiration to women everywhere. And you are right Mussitate, Julia has done a very good job as PM in very difficult circumstances. Our country is in great shape and has a bright future thanks to the very good policies this government has put in place.
    MITZY
    28th Jun 2013
    12:08pm
    TiaMaria: How many more times are you going to say exactly what you said above. Your saying absolutely nothing. Your knitting needle seems to have got stuck on the record.
    Reppie
    27th Jun 2013
    10:42am
    Gees you lot, he got booted out 3 years ago, went quietly while maintaining his dignity all the time, now in much FAIRNESS he is back in the no.l job again.
    As for Julia, wonder how she feels now its all gone sour on her. Keep in mind, SHE invited this to happen yesterday, not Kevin Rudd. SHE refused to listen to what people are saying which seems to be typical of a lot of pollies.

    Once I stop dancing around the house singing "ding dong the witch is dead", I will get on with my day - but it might take a while!

    Meantime, lighten up, the only chance Labour have of getting back in, which is still hightly doubtful, is to have Kevin back at the help. With her, they were sunk.
    tia-maria
    27th Jun 2013
    10:55am
    Rippie, your right mate.
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    12:03pm
    maintaining his dignity? Hmmm.
    geomac
    27th Jun 2013
    3:50pm
    Went quietly away ? Rudd has been whiteanting since he resigned including leaking to the media during the 2010 election campaign . Abbott and Rudd have one thing in common , a three year dummy spit .
    tia-maria
    27th Jun 2013
    4:20pm
    geomac, how would you feel if you were in the same position as Kevin Rudd 3 years ago???????????? pretty pee.......off with politics.....futher more Julia lied from day one when she said their be no carbon tax.This was the start of her lies and down fall.
    geomac
    27th Jun 2013
    4:29pm
    tia
    I would have no choice but to accept the decision of the majority of the party . Not only did Rudd not accept the decision he squibbed a party spill . Julia said there will be no carbon tax but I am determined to put a price on carbon . At least get the quote right tia . Whyalla wipeout , now there is a quote to remember .
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    6:35pm
    geomac
    Rudd is an extremely hard worker and his strategy and plans for Australia were very well laid and even followed by Gillard. I am glad we had a woman PM (who was an atheist and unmarried.... brilliant... could only happen in Australia - Go Australia!) but in the end it is policies that matter and NOT the person.

    Look at Bush, quite personable but simply a marionette for big business to do as they wished in the USA and look at what happened to the (once) great nation.

    Abbott is so much like Bush, it is embarrassing.

    At least both Gillard and Rudd worked hard and produced good stuff for Australia.

    I would worry more about Abbott getting in and taking us back to the DARK AGES!
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:19am
    Shorten is the King and Queen maker and destroyer. Now who pulls Shorten's strings ? I think that it is BEEZLEBUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    seagirl
    27th Jun 2013
    10:55am
    Go Keven you got my vote. Go KEVEN GO.
    Beemee
    27th Jun 2013
    10:59am
    Mine too 100%. Better than darn Tony Abbott who has no backbone.
    tia-maria
    27th Jun 2013
    12:11pm
    Hi seagirl, I agree with you as well,
    HOLA
    27th Jun 2013
    2:03pm
    DITTO , DITTO , AND DITTO. Heaven help all of us if Abbott gets in.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    2:53pm
    DITTO, DITTO, DITTO and DITTO.
    tia-maria
    27th Jun 2013
    4:22pm
    we definately dont want Abbott in
    HOLA
    27th Jun 2013
    6:53pm
    I discovered a Tony Abbott look alike. That horrible little creature in the Harry Potter series, the one with a loincloth on and ears that stick out. Ok all you Julia haters, how do you like it when someone rubbishes your idol, the one that is going to pull Australia out of the mess it is supposed to be in?
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    7:33pm
    He had Julia Gillard over a barrel with the sexism stuff. Something else to use against her (make her look like a whinging female victim!) Let's see how he handles Rudd who made him look like the fool he is in question time today. Rudd made short shrift of his devious questions.
    Beemee
    27th Jun 2013
    10:59am
    I agree Reppie. JG brought this on herself and her first failure was to promise NOT to include Carbon Tax while she was in office. You don't do a back flip to the Australian voters; they do remember.
    As for those that left the party as if suffering from sour grapes and therefore resigned, lets be honest, how well were they ensconced with JG were they? and getting who knows what behind the scenes or under the table? Knowing full well KR won't take that BS, he would have ousted them anyway, so that saves him wasting time cleaning out the cupboard of dead beats and dead heads.
    What of this one? Stupid Peter Garrett with the portfolio that went belly up over the insulation issue? So what happened, kiss, kiss, kiss, don't worry, we will put you into the Education portfolio. Again we see screw ups being rewarded, try doing that type of screw up with your boss, and see how long you stay employed. Nope better off without them. Pity they didn't kill off McArdle as well with 'its alright Jack' attitude in raising electricity costs.
    Will Rudd do any better? maybe not, he has one hell of a mess to clean up and I don't envy him. But the has one thing going for him, he could always be approached by the people where JG going through the shopping Malls just kept right on walking. She had no touch with the average person doing it tough.

    27th Jun 2013
    11:00am
    What a mess. We vote for the party and its policies, not the leader. Rudd is a self centered egotistical drop kick, and is solely responsible for the 10 billion it has cost for the loss of this countries security and boarders. He changed the plan that worked. I cannot believe he has been put back in after his inability to handle the job before.
    retroy
    27th Jun 2013
    11:57am
    Agree, but 63 % of SMH voters think he can win the election.
    What a frightening prospect for Australia.
    This bloke is a chameleon, laughing and smiling for the TV cameras and behind closed doors he was a cynical conniving despot.
    An Industrial Commissioner ( former Queensland Union official) once nick named him "Doctor Death" because he was such a diabolical person to deal with.
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    11:59am
    for a start - it's borders not boarders and we all came here as refugees and migrants before the words Legal and Illegal became popular.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    12:40pm
    Absolutely right Surfer. We SHOULD look at the policies of the party we vote for and not the nominated leader. Unfortunately we have gone down the U.S. path with our obsession with the charisma, character and GENDER of the leader of the party instead. I, for one, WILL remember what the Labour party, led by Gillard and others over the years has done for the 'man in the street'. I think the big problem in Australia is the way we have lazily slipped into letting the popular media dictate what our political viewpoint is. I am slightly encouraged to see that there are some popular movements forming and aimed at the 'younger' Australian which are urging us to become more political. Fingers crossed for my childrens and grandchildren's future.
    oscarmitre
    27th Jun 2013
    11:11am
    Mr Rudd is in place for a couple of reasons. One is the hope by many in the Labor parliamentary caucus that he will be able to limit the damage at the election and thereby save a few jobs. Understandable. The other is that the confusion and ignorance of much of the electorate in believing it elects a PM may work for Labor as they have now reinstated the so-called people's choice for PM. Delusional but it does take tactical advantage of the general ignorance.

    There may be some on the Labor side who hope that Mr Rudd will actually be able to win the election. The True Hopers as it were.

    Should Mr Rudd be the leader of the ALP and now PM? No, as has been pointed out he has been disloyal and treacherous to his party, putting his own ambitions ahead of the party when he was making the climb to the top and dealing the party severe body-blows by leaking and backgrounding against the government when Ms Gillard was PM. If he is still the Member for Griffith after the next election then Labor should – in opposition – remove him from that seat.
    roslyngosnell1951
    27th Jun 2013
    11:17am
    Kevin is either a fool or he has an airtight contract. Do the Australian people believe he will still have the job after the election? The Labour Party kicked him out once they can do it again
    Foxy
    27th Jun 2013
    11:25am
    Well well - what a "Judas" Bill Shorten turned out to be! Why do "we - the people" even bother to vote when these creeps in so called "power" can just seem to do whatever they want? Rudd has proved to be a mealy mouthed weak-chinned excuse for a PM - maybe Penny Wong can "knife" this Harry Potter look-alike and get rid of him for good! She is one of the very few left with any credibility - I'm not a Labour voter but in my opinion Julia had a tough call and was extremely resilient to get as far as she did - rather her than Rudd anyday!....and rather Turnbull than Abbott anyday - what hideous choices us voters have to look forward to.....

    27th Jun 2013
    11:39am
    I feel sad for Julia Gillard. She led the minority government well and she had vision and delivered groundbreaking policies. She was up against a really nasty and hostile opposition, a hostile and biased media and a hostile ex PM. Farewell courageous lady and thank you!

    I don't want to dwell on the 'who did what to who' saga. I am hoping now that Kevin Rudd will be able to more effectively battle with Tony Abbott and the LNP who continue to tell us nothing of substance about their policies. They give us empty statements like "We will restore the budget to the black" and "we will stop the boats" etc without telling us HOW they will do these things. They treat us like idiots. Go Kevin! Highlight their failings. Take it to Abbott. The main thing now is to stop this negative, nasty man and his cronies from gaining a win that gives them full reign to ruin our country.
    HOLA
    27th Jun 2013
    2:20pm
    Totally agree with you,Robiconda. Julia was a total lady and never said anything nasty towards her opposition members. They on the other hand, as well as the media ,did nothing but throw bricks at her. Hugh Remington,? reporter on A Current Affairs had the audacity to say he heard Womens Weekly subscribers were cancelling their subscriptions after seeing Julia knitting in the
    Weekly, what a load of codswallop.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:38pm
    LOL Hola ;) Glad someone else saw what a load of cods. that Remington delighted in giving out. Very cringeworthy :(
    Innyoo
    27th Jun 2013
    4:04pm
    she had enough Govt to get through a lot of policies that the majority of Australians do not want, so I don't feel sorry for her, but must admit Kevin is much worse. And she said lots of nasty things about her opposition, especially lately...
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    7:25pm
    Innyoo
    How do you know that Australians do not want the policies put in place by Rudd & Gillard.... those same policies that have made us (the average Australian) the most wealthiest nation in the WORLD.

    But no, you wouldn't read it in our media, that is how I know that you have been listening to the spewing of poisonous propaganda from our Corporate (foreign) owned media....... well, haven't you? Otherwise you would know that Labor's policies have put us at the very top of the world.
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    7:39pm
    Robiconda, The Country is already in ruins, thanks to Gillard in particular. Mr Abbot will restore the trust in Government that has been lacking for the past 7 years. The NDIS and Gonski reforms will fail if maintained by a Labor Government. Good management skills will be needed to ensure the future of these schemes, if they are to survive. Leave it to the Liberals, they know how to balance the books.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    7:54pm
    Innyoo,
    You didn't like your pension rises?, better care for the disabled and their carers?, better quality education for our kids?, the raising of the tax free threshold? just to mention a few of the policies her gov't pushed through. Why ever not? It is rather arrogant to say that what you don't want is what the majority of Australians don't want.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    8:21pm
    Macjam,
    Exactly how is the country "in ruins"? Please outline! We are regarded as having one of the best, if not the best economy in the world at present. My husband and I and all of our adult kids and families are doing ok. Your statement is full of bias and LNP propaganda. Just because the Howard government rode the wave set up by Hawke/Keating and the mining boom, does not mean the LNP are good managers. There are many examples of the opposite if you check out history. Read up on the period when John Howard was treasurer in Malcolm Fraser's government. Interest rates, inflation and unemployment were through the roof and caused my family of 5 to struggle like we never have since. Often we relied on eggs laid by our chooks to eat. And you say the country is in ruins now? Just simply because your favoured party is not in power? Statements like yours, based on bias and propaganda that is designed to mislead get my blood boiling!
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    9:00pm
    Macjam ...... you have got to be kidding !! Do a little reading other than the garbage fed to you by the 'popular' media. Better still, do a little travelling and learn how to appreciate what we do have here and why so many countries IN THE WESTERN WORLD envy us in Australia. In ruins ??? Unbelievable :(
    BettyBoo
    28th Jun 2013
    12:34am
    Robiconda - Yes, well said.
    Robster
    27th Jun 2013
    11:46am
    When a ship is sinking fast - it does not help to just change the captain - it will still continue to sink.....so like the Titanic, I believe the Labour Party has just moved to a higher deck on the ship....would be interesting to see if Kevin 7 is the last to leave the ship, or will he kick the women out of the way to get off first?????
    Lee
    27th Jun 2013
    3:12pm
    Yep, that wimp would be 1st off followed by Shorton Just hope Dudd doesn't don a pair of speedo's - what a shocking sight that would be.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    7:28pm
    Well, I wouldn't be smirking about that, look at the alternative, Murdoch's marionette (Abbott) who will do whatever it takes to get into and retain power. Even if it means selling Australia and Australians out to Murdoch and his cronies.

    As Labor has put us at the very top of the world economically, the only place we can go with the likes of Abbott, is down, down, down.
    Andy Leucite
    27th Jun 2013
    11:47am
    Those who think it is great that K. Rudd is back in charge have short memories or loads of naivety. Kevin was removed because he became impossible to work with or under (for colleagues and staffers alike), dithered and couldn't make hard decisions, and squandered huge electoral support until it looked like it would totally vanish before the last election. I for one (who usually votes Labor but will swing to other parties when I think it's necessary) couldn't wait until the party had the courage to remove him. By the way, I enthusiastically voted for him in 2007, but lost all respect for him before the end of his term. Julia Gillard was recruited to try to lead the party back from the wilderness that Kevin created, but was immediately and continuously sabotaged by the poor losers in the party and also by a Murdoch dominated press. She did a wonderful job in the circumstances, and though not perfect, I believe her biggest problem was her own media people who did not sell her or the overall message, especially in terms of the huge achievements of legislation, including the carbon tax which we need. I had no problem with her transition from an emissions trading scheme to a carbon tax when it became obvious that that wouldn't get through. We needed and still need to do things about the environment, but selfish, ignorant voters can't see that. Good on you Kaye for saying what you said. We have lost a superb political talent and the Coalition will be rubbing their hands in glee, not anew, but again, as they have seen Rudd and his backers destroy the Parliamentary Labor party in the space of just several years. The terrible state of the party is mostly due to this group of people who now inherit a broken entity, and mostly broken by them. I hope they are satisfied.
    nitzka
    27th Jun 2013
    12:22pm
    well put together....facts are a rarity in todays press....This coming election will have large swings, however not those highlighted in the so called poll figures-
    The increased swing in informal votes, will be the big winner(protest votes)....

    If we continue to rely on Poll figures based on populations of 1000blocks(Landline)
    and they are considered reasonably accurate, maybe its time we abolished our election voting day/s....Why should +24m make the decision as to who can govern our lucky country, if we are continually "fed" poll figures, that the majority of us do not participate in....l
    Goldie
    27th Jun 2013
    11:50am
    Well said Foxy.Couldn't agree more. Go Penny Wong!!!
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    11:52am
    So - the rugrat is back - he gives Christians a bad name because he professes to be one but is, in fact, a self-serving, self-righteous, disloyal, sneaky person. All the publicity he's been receiving recently - you'd have to be blind freddie not to know the reason behind it. The dishonesty behind it all is incredible. Julia Gillard has behaved with dignity and grace all the way through and deserves better treatment than this. The polls may not think that she was capable of leading Labor to another victory but I have never seen a poll and neither have any of my considerable networks. There have been a lot of silent supporters of the Gillard government, many who would have voted her in. Now? No way would anyone I know vote that underhanded, power-seeking, paternalistic man into government again. I'd rather see the Liberals in! Labor has just handed a victory to the Liberal party on a plate.
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    11:56am
    Will Kevin Rudd resign when he loses the election? Hope so. He has fouled the Labor party and it would be better for all concerned if he would just quietly fold his tent and leave.
    sensible senior
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:48pm
    Tich Kevin Rudd wont resign that grub Shorten will stab him in the back after the election. he did not want to be seen on a loseing side. I would ragther have julia gillard than shorten.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:57pm
    hahahaha the whimpering cries from those who know that their heads would be off [back in the so called dark ages]. Stiff bickies crewpersons - jump and go over to the other side or go down with the ship. Its a sorta personal ethical moralistic choice - live or die.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:59pm
    BLUE [ocean, sky] is such a pretty colour as opposed to RED [traffic light, blood]
    Reppie
    27th Jun 2013
    11:58am
    The interesting thing Andy Leucite, is that the same people who found him impossible to work with, and found it hard for him to make decisions are the ones who NOW have put him back into power!!
    Titch
    27th Jun 2013
    12:08pm
    I wonder if the politicians read our comments - I also find it really hard to understand why he has been voted back in.
    Reppie
    27th Jun 2013
    12:19pm
    Doesn't it occur to some that was all orchestrated yesterday, by Labour, for Labour, as the choice between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott was a no-contest. Neither are liked or wanted for PM by the majority of Australians so it would seem. To get Kevin Rudd back in gives the Labour party a fighting chance of staying in power, as I can't see many taking Clive Palmer and his mob seriously at this point.

    I wonder if you ask your friends, all around the 60's I expect whether they would vote for either Labour or co-alition, or for the first time in lives do an informal vote, wasting the opportunity to have a say? yes, but when you have the devil, the deep blue sea or the 3rd option, all of which are a waste of space, someone made the moves to get rid of the noose-knitting PM, and restore the person who's job she took 3 years ago. It's not about her getting shafted, she did her part in that 3 years ago.

    At least Kevin Rudd acknowledged her contributions over her time in office, and was complimentary about her. If the situation was reversed, I doubt she would have done the same.
    Reppie
    27th Jun 2013
    12:21pm
    My one complaint is, that I hope somewhere along the next chapter in our political history, someone teaches all pollies that we live in AUSTRALIA, not "straya" or stroya or such. It annoys the heck out of me when the new deputy PM takes the oath of office by referring to this country as Astraya!!
    MITZY
    28th Jun 2013
    8:30am
    Can't be bothered making a meaningful contribution to this debate today.

    However, Reppie I agree with you regarding pronunciation of Australia. I came to the conclusion sometime ago that Australia as pronounced by the Poms "Horsetralia" is shaped similarly to a horse's head and the media that run it act like the horse's arse.
    Acushla
    27th Jun 2013
    12:38pm
    If Australians elect Rudd and his ALP backstabbers then they deserve everything that is going to happen to them in the years to come. It is going to be a bleak future.
    Min
    27th Jun 2013
    5:08pm
    And didn't Tony backstab Brian Turnbull for having the guts to cross the floor to vote for what he believed in?
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    9:02pm
    You are dead right Min. Some have selective memory don't they ?
    MITZY
    28th Jun 2013
    8:33am
    Who is Brian Turnbull? I thought it was "Malcolm" in the Middle.
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    8:41am
    Egyptian ;)
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    12:47pm
    Great to see such enthusiastic comments here on all sides. I can only hope that the folk here pass on their enthusiasm to their children and grandchildren as THEY are the ones who will inherit what is sown now and in the near future. Encourage them to be much more political and active than, I suspect, we were ;) Their lives depend on it. It IS a great country, urge them to make it even more so !!
    Golfer
    27th Jun 2013
    1:10pm
    Rudd is a liar. Do we really want a compulsive liar to represent and lead our country.

    Don't be fooled; the party didn't vote him back because they now liked him, or that they now trust him, or that they think he would do a better job than Gillard! They still hate him as much as they previously did.

    They voted him back to try and save their own asses and when Labor is defeated at the federal election (because nobody wants a liar) Rudd will be deposed by Shorten.
    digiom
    27th Jun 2013
    1:25pm
    Well said Gra. How can anyone vote for these back-flippers. There is not one ounce of integrity in any of them.
    Lee
    27th Jun 2013
    1:32pm
    Ditto
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Jun 2013
    7:23am
    Yep - so true! But where in all this argy bargy concerning political party survival is a mention about our politicians working for the people who really matter - you know - the voter? Remember us? We're still here!
    Lee
    27th Jun 2013
    1:29pm
    Julia should have directed her misogyny speech towards the "blue tie wearer"- "ear wax eating" blubbering sneak sitting behind her. Don't think all Queenslanders are mad about him. We can remember what a grub he was when in the Goss Government.
    musicveg
    27th Jun 2013
    1:32pm
    Go Kev! We voted for Kev not Julia,I never liked the way Julia got to be prime minister. We should embrace Kev and give him a FAIR GO! Julia has not treated families especially single parent families with any care at all,she has made our lives harder not better. It is nothing to do with female leadership or male leadership,it is leadership that has not got us anywhere. I hope Kev can bring it home,learn from his mistakes and be a great role model for young people that it is never too late to better yourself and not give up! If you vote for Tony Abbot say goodbye to our environment especially the Great Barrier Reef! Say hello to the mining conglomerates making more billions at the cost of our environment and farming. We need to support farmers who grow our food before it is CSG fracked,mined and destroyed for good which Tony Abbot is planning. Be warned.
    Reppie
    27th Jun 2013
    1:38pm
    I'with you Music, well said.

    27th Jun 2013
    1:41pm
    Labor will not win the election no matter who leads them. Australians are sick and tired of all the crap. Anyway a change to Abbott will give the opposition an opportunity to have a go, and they can't stuff things up any worse then they already are. I'd like to see just what an Abbott Govt could do, a change is a as good as a holiday; but the great SOAPIE of LABOR needs to run the final episode called 'Election' before a new cast enters Canberra.

    WE also need a federal Govt that will stand against any same sex marriage bill, for marriage is between a man and woman.......only...we do not want Australia to become a further reproach. for..... 'Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people'

    AS to Julia Gillard.. she and her Deputy now both sing the SWAN SONG, will she now get work on doing World speech tour to countries, where the themes of her speeches might be 'Maggie lasted longer' or 'I got what I deserved'

    Time will tell.
    slapsy
    27th Jun 2013
    3:49pm
    That wouldn't be Tony's truck,would it?
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    1:47pm
    Don't forget. Ignore the popular media bumf and don't take too much notice of the postulations of Rudd OR Abbot. Dig a little deeper and take a good look at what the Political Parties real policies are (if you can find them!!) and vote for the party and NOT the person. There IS a difference ;) Good luck Australia.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    2:04pm
    You are a comedian of sorts...... for no matter who wins the election the leader of that party become Prime Minister...... thus a CLOWN could become Prime Minister.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:11pm
    The P.M. OR Leader of the Opposition are figureheads and NOT the real leaders or the ones who decide the parties policies. We have just had proof of that over the last decade. Hard to laugh that off, isn't it :(
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    2:20pm
    Oh DEAR me...that means that Julia Gillard made no decisions...oh deary me..and I thinking that the Prime Minister and Opposition leader/s had some imput. That means we cannot hold any prime Minister to account for anything; for after all as you said....'The P.M. OR Leader of the Opposition are figureheads and NOT the real leaders or the ones who decide the parties policies.'

    OK then bring Julia back..everything is forgiven for you had NO IMPUT and made no decisions...in fact you must have DONE NOTHING over your term as PM
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:29pm
    Don't you understand that they represented what their party wanted ?? It is what makes the difference between a Democracy and a Dictatorship :)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    2:39pm
    They ALSO voted for what their party wanted..thus they made a decision..thus they have responsibility. SAME as those who vote...if their candidate wins then makes some decision in Parliament that is bad for the nation, then those voters who elected him also are responsible....just as if they made the same decision.
    Watto
    27th Jun 2013
    1:47pm
    Some people have short memories ! ALL the problems that we face now were started by Krudd. Gillard compounded them and brought us to where we are today .
    What a mess !
    And some people think Krudd will improve things ....I don't think so .

    27th Jun 2013
    2:13pm
    I DO NOT VOTE... I will not commit to any politician. Now that will upset some folks here.
    slapsy
    27th Jun 2013
    3:52pm
    It still looks like Tony's truck.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    4:15pm
    Not a Bedford, a Budgie (Smuggler)? :D
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    4:24pm
    I realise you lot would NOT give time to fight a bushfire, it's not in you to help others, because you are a cowardly lot.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    2:42pm
    slapsy and heyyybob - you are now cowards according to the crazed evangelist.
    catsahoy
    30th Jun 2013
    8:13pm
    PIXPAD, DONT VOTE, THATS YOUR RIGHT, BUT DONT COMPLAIN IF THE PARTY YOU DONT WANT GETS IN,
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:22pm
    Seems something is LOST in the translation.....I DO NOT CARE WHAT PARTY GETS IN...
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:53pm
    ALIEN: when will you ever get it thru your thick brick lined cranium that not a single f... person on this politically orientated web blog site gives a rats arse as to what you 'think' about anything in your pathetic universe - so just p..s off FOREVER
    biddi
    27th Jun 2013
    2:16pm
    It's a sad day today. KRudd is a liar - he said he wouldn't come back. How does he intend
    to fix the borders which HE dismantled? I agree, Watto.
    Jurassicgeek
    27th Jun 2013
    2:29pm
    The same way Tony Abscess will do it. He will wave his magic wand and Presto the problem is fixed ....
    Mark my words. on sept 14th everything will magically change ......

    27th Jun 2013
    2:19pm
    Rudd has repeatedly proven himself to be a micro-managing power freak, who spent all his previous time as PM, jetting around the world like a blue-tail fly, pressing flesh with every despot dictator around.

    This man REPEATEDLY MISTAKES MOVEMENT FOR ACTION.

    His lack of leadership ability has been repeatedly proven - what has changed??

    Absolutely nothing - except Kevin has got his revenge, that he worked and schemed on for 3 years.

    The entire exercise is merely the equivalant of the crew replacing Capt Smith with a new Captain, right after the Titanic hit the iceberg.

    The futility of the move will be shown by the scorn heaped on the Labor Party by the voters of Australia at the coming election - who are sick and tired of the leadership "musical chairs" - all for the benefit of the Labor Party - while the voters wants and needs are neglected, in the scramble to make the Party look good.

    The Coalition must be clinking champagne glasses and doing Toyota leaps in glee.

    Rudd will merely oversee a Labor Party loss of phenomenal size at the coming election.

    Abbott must already be practising his election win speech.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:24pm
    Let's hope Abbott practices his Parties Policies speeches so we can, FINALLY, see and understand what THEY have to offer Australia ;)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    6:28pm
    So what! RUDD's plans and strategies (followed smartly by Gillard) have put Australia on top of the world and better than any other country of all time.

    I don't care if he has two heads, no teeth and forty eyes.... he puts in great work for Australia and does a good job for the AVERAGE and DISADVANTAGED Australian.

    The alternative - Murdoch's 'marionette' (Abbott) will put us back in the DARK AGES.
    Jurassicgeek
    27th Jun 2013
    2:27pm
    What are you all complaining about? We live in a democratic society. We have choices, more than most countries in the world.

    The choice we all must make soon is between

    Kevin McDudd and the party that swims aimlessly around like tadpoles in a pond

    OR

    Tony Abscess and the other party that swims aimlessly around like tadpoles in a pond.

    Some choice!
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    4:48pm
    Jurassic - You're not wrong there. I cannot recall a time in politics previously (except for 1972), where the election choices were so dismal.

    In 1972, Whitlam, who should never have held any position of power, was elected - representing the least poorest of all the poor candidates on offer.

    I trust Abbott (who is almost a dead cert to win this coming election) doesn't do a Whitlam on us - because Abbott has about as much PM ability as Whitlam.

    It's enough to make a man turn to drink, when you think about what we could have, and what we're offered - and what we get.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    6:12pm
    Aaron
    I do not hold out any hope at all because Abbott has no way and no inclination to do the wonderful things that Whitlam did for the Australian people.

    Murdoch wanted to be called "sir" Murdoch and sucked up to Whitlam but when he didn't appear on 'the list' the media coverage was absolutely disgusting!!!!! Everyone was swamped with venom about this GREAT PM. Not great for the likes of Murdoch but definitely GREAT for the AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE.

    WHITLAM did over 200 legislative changes that made our lives better and easier but the main ones were:

    1. M E D I C A R E - it was FREE and single tiered then and NOT watered down as it is now. A bloody brilliant system of Health Care. It has taken 30 years for them to water it down but it is still there for us, thank goodness. Before Whitlam, I remember my mum not being able to afford to take my sister to the doctor, so she flogged her engagement ring.
    2. UNIVERSITY EDUCATION for us and our children. It allowed ordinary people to go to university by removing ALL fees (yes, it was FREE then) AND it gave people an allowance to attend. THOSE WHO HAD THE ABILITY or INCLINATION to ATTEND UNIVERSITY could go. It was based on ability NOT money. Many of our children consider it 'normal' to go to university these days.... even though Whitlam's legislation has been watered down.
    3. GAVE us our very own LEGAL SYSTEM rather than reporting to ENGLAND.
    4. REMOVED the highly racial 'white Australian policy' bringing Australia up to world standard.
    5. The FIRST to negotiate with China and make diplomatic ties and inroads.
    6. He tried to BUY back AUSTRALIA - 49% ownership of all foreign corporations. He couldn't go to the USA for the money to buy into these corporations (as mainly USA owned), so he went directly to the Arabs..... yes, that is what he did that was so terrible that it was necessary to get rid of him. Just imagine an Australia with NO TAXES because these corporation would pay Australia whopping great DIVIDENDS and we would have representation on their boards, so that whatever they did was in the interests of Australia. How bad was that AYE, no wonder it was essential for the USA to get rid of him!

    I am so SICK of people putting down this great man who has done so, so very much FOR each and every AUSTRALIAN.

    AGAIN, our lovely media mogul MURDOCH poisoned the general public with his venomous spewings.

    STILL DISGUSTED!
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    2:09pm
    Mussitate, I agree with your sentiments fully. I admire Gough Whitlam, a true man of the people. Yes, big business hated him, but he represented a vote for those without a voice. Labor has lost its way over the years, but I hope they get back on track now. To see the power of the evil and vindictive media, one only has to read some posts from here. Look what has been proved about the conduct of the printed media. Nothing could be more shameful than hacking a dead teenagers email a/c and letting her [parents think she was still alive. Deplorable and unforgivable. Regulate the media as self-regulation doesn't work, and make them responsible for truth in disclosure. The media is supposed to be unbiased .. HA!!! What a joke!

    Oh and I love point 6!! I had heard the USA/Arab connection :).
    Paddles
    29th Jun 2013
    9:43am
    Mussitate

    If ever Government or private enterprise needs someone to rewrite history in a particular light, then you are a bloody shoo-in mate. Your panegyric on Whitlam has me, and no doubt many others who lived through those turbulent times, wondering just where was the cave that you must have inhabited.

    Whilst Gough was polishing his already formidable intellect by striding the ancient ruins of the world, Australia was being run by the "4 C's". That is, Cairns, Cameron, Crean and Connor were guiding our nation when, in the case of Cairns, he wasn't screwing his PA......when Cameron wasn't wringing his hands and exulting over Mainline and other major developers that he sent to the wall...........Crean was just being Crean which meant that he wasn't doing much harm but, then again, he wasn't doing much good either. All this taking place whilst Rex Connor was prostituting himself to a grubby little Middle Easterner named Khemlani, seeking a loan of billions so he could "buy back the farm".

    I must concede that E G Whitlam had a giant intellect with an ego to match but as an administrator (which is the primary role of a PM) he was hopeless and it was decided thus by the people in the election that followed his dismissal.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:14pm
    Paddles

    You have said absolutely NOTHING other than add a personal diatribe of your dislike of Mr Gough Whitlam. Not as disgusting as the media of that time but you have NOT refuted anything that Whitlam did. That is because you simply CANNOT!!!!!!

    Yes, he was highly intelligent,
    Yes he did have an ego to match (he was arrogant),
    Yes, he was a silver spooner.

    That is WHY it is so amazing that he did so much for OTHER people. Yes, ALL the ORDINARY people of Australia.

    He was even more exceptional than you give him credit for.

    If you had met him personally you would know of his "presence" which was so powerful, it humbled you, although the man himself treated ordinary people as equals.

    ...and oh! what a statesman!!!! He was given a STANDING OVATION when he gave a speech on the steps of the White House in Washington.

    ...then, there was that brilliant (sharp) sense of humour.

    I really, really miss that wonderful character.

    I stopped voting for Labor after what happened to him and after what HAWK did to him. However, I will again vote for Labor in the coming elections.

    One last thing..... the facts are there about Whitlam... we have MEDICARE; UNIVERSITY for our kids; our OWN Legal system; CHINA is bringing big money into Australia and bolstering BIG business AND smaller business enterprises.

    Tell me Paddles, what history have I re-written????? OR is it simply that accounting for his contributions to us ORDINARY AUSTRALIANS, does not tally with the lethal and disgusting corporate media of that time! Not to mention the USA involvement in this process.

    Go think Paddles...
    from the nanny state
    27th Jun 2013
    2:31pm
    Watto.... I remember all too clearly what this govt. have done to Australia......We are in so much trouble now because of Rudd and his bunch of lunatics.
    Rudd is a vengeful person and he will take out his treachery on each and every one who opposed him in time..... I can't understand how he left his mirror this morning with his over inflated ego.....He certainly has made a mess of our economy, our borders and the Australian people's way of life. What a disgrace he and his party are...."sheer arrogance".
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:47pm
    Wow!

    I don't have to remember what the Labor Party and Rudd's detailed plans (followed by Gillard) have done for Australia because I am living it......the Best of the Best of the Best IN THE WORLD.

    The average Australian is better off than at anytime in the history of Australian and in the history of the world.

    Suck your lemon but hey....acknowledge good work when it smacks you in the face.

    The only alternative is a 'marionette' that will send us back to the DARK AGES.
    HOLA
    29th Jun 2013
    7:17am
    Well said Mussitate, totally agree with you. Tony Abbott has as much chance as being Prime Minister as I have of kissing Prince Phillip (yuk).
    Paddles
    29th Jun 2013
    9:46am
    Hola

    Pucker up baby!!!
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:33pm
    Paddles

    Have a looked at the new polls?

    27th Jun 2013
    2:36pm
    Wow, watching question time right now. Rudd is on fire! Everyone appears to be more energised as a result of change.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:41pm
    Love it :D
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    8:23am
    I was impressed too! Bishop and Abbott were no match for the new re-vitalised Rudd. Although, Rob Oakshot did reduce me to tears with his speech.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    2:40pm
    red/rose colored glasses worn there Anaconda: Dudd 'looked' like he was on fire but it was just an inner 'glow' of revengeful smugness. He will soon start screwing things up again like the asylum boat policies. There are bound to be increased taxes to pay for the borrowed thousands of billions but wait - these are unusual economic times and there will not be any surpluses - yep same ole same ole excuses will resurface but stamped - Dudd.
    Blueboy
    27th Jun 2013
    2:40pm
    Go down to your local schools and check out their updated facilities.
    Ask poor kids do they know know what a dentist does.
    Sing out loudly if you are disabled.
    Compare in real terms the value of your pension today to what it was in Howard's day.
    Check the quality of life index for Australians compared to other nations.
    Methinks many of you whinge too much!
    Consider whether you would be willing to be humiliated and 'put down' as Rudd has been, and be able to get up and give us a vision in similar magnitude to Gough and RJLH.
    Go Queenslander!
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    2:44pm
    Ab-so-bluddi-lute-ly Blue :)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    2:51pm
    I used a pencil in school and in Winter kept my hands warmed up by getting the cane.....now they use computers ....that seems to be an advancement...except for those students who cannot use a pencil to add up, though to be fair, many teachers cannot add up either.
    Lee
    27th Jun 2013
    3:24pm
    They can't spell either...........
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    3:48pm
    Oh, yeah. How does that oldie-but-goodie go ?........" Kids today ? Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way" ROFL ;)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    4:44pm
    Something is very wrong when today's children need a calculator add up..... and most of them cannot read an analog clock
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    8:27am
    I have an 'Irish' clock .. a back-to-front clock and now I can't tell the time with an ordinary clock!! It's just what you get used to, it's the same with politics.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    9:25am
    The intelligent mind can read any clock, even a sun dial
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    2:22pm
    PIX, if your last post was aimed at me, then I need to tell you that I can really tell the time ... with any clock or shadow of the sun! However, I can not use a pen (biro) and use a pencil. The pen/biro moves too fast over the paper surface and I can't control it so I have to use a lead pencil. This has nothing to do with intelligence but disability.

    27th Jun 2013
    2:44pm
    One the other hand...those who complain in here might like to run for Office and see if they can do a better job...the armchair politicians, wearing slippers and sitting by the heater, or laying on the beaches in a warmer clime. I'm sure many of you can solve the problems of the World and cause the spinning orbs to change their appointed courses ?
    Nanday
    27th Jun 2013
    2:54pm
    Recycling past leaders who were failures is a pointless exercise. They should be moving forward, not looking backwards. It seems like the move back to Rudd was an act of desperation by a party about to be annihilated in the next election. If they really thought Rudd was the person for the job, why not support him in the last vote (when he failed to challenge due to lack of numbers)? Or why replace him in the first place? The answer is that the sitting members are now panicking and hoping that by putting in a more popular leader, a few of them might hold their seats in the next election. I fail to see how this is beneficial to the voters of Australia.
    Michael
    27th Jun 2013
    5:13pm
    Recycling worked for Howard 8-)
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    5:23pm
    But Labor does not have anyone of the right calibre to be a leader. If Mr Rudd is the best they can come up with, then they deserve to be in their current predicament.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:40pm
    Macjam

    Really, is that why Australia is currently the BEST of the BEST of the BEST in the world.... not only during the GFC but in HISTORY.

    The current Labor Party (mostly RUDDs plans) has given the AVERAGE Australian more wealth and better standard of living EVER!!!!!

    Hell, if that is not the 'right calibre' what supernatural being are you thinking of putting in his place.

    All I can see is a Mr 'marionette' Abbott, who dances to the tune of Big Business and we have seen what the abject GREED of that lot does to a country...... you need only look at the USA where public education is non existent; public health is a death sentence; Crime is a daily occurrence; Poverty is extreme; Slums are ever growing; Wages and benefits - low and lowering; infrastructure - crumbling; etc, etc

    GW BUSH was also a 'marionette'.
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    2:32pm
    Muss, poverty worries me. The USA is dying and so is their democracy. Greed and poverty go hand in hand. The gap between the haves and the have-nots is getting wider and discontentment is rearing it's ugly head. Australia IS the lucky country but we will soon lose that tag if the Mad Abbott gets in.

    As for GW, I thought we were going to see his brother ...(Jed???) try for the White House. Heaven forbid that should happen.
    LENYJAC
    27th Jun 2013
    3:20pm
    HAS ANYBODY NOTICED THAT THESE MONEY SUCKING MORONS ARE GIVING THEMSELVES FROM JULY 1st ANOTHER PAYRISE 2.4% I BELIEVE.. WHAT A BLOODY JOKE... ACTORS DONT EVEN GET THIS AND THATS ABOUT ALL THESE IDIOTS ARE WHAT ABOUT US PENSIONERS..?? GET RID OF THE LOT AND START AGAIN ON REALISTIC PAY... OVERPAID TRASH....
    MITZY
    27th Jun 2013
    4:48pm
    They don't give themselves pay rises anymore, haven't done so for quite some time. An independent body does that. Advance your fury elsewhere.
    unicorn
    27th Jun 2013
    3:22pm
    Well our local member has just lost my vote for any upcoming elections. We got a letter today from his office & he has told of the Coalition"spoints for voting I disagree with almost all of them so I may as well vote for Palmer> Joke.
    What got me was that all Tony Abbott could blurt out in parliament today was demanding to know when Kevin Rudd is going to hold tghe elections. And he kep on and on and on about it. I turned the TV off cause that was supposed to the NEWS!!!
    Danielle James
    27th Jun 2013
    3:23pm
    I can identify non-Labor voters among the comments above.

    However, the pro-Labor voters also appear to be giving Labor a hefty serve in one way or the other.
    Grateful
    27th Jun 2013
    3:35pm
    Come on everyone, you have been around long enough to realize that modern "politics" is no longer about "politics'", but "populism". The Labor Party is also very pragmatic and finally realized that despite the enormous performance of the previous Prime Minister, under, most extraordinary circumstances, she was not "popular". So, there was no way they would go to an election with a poll reading of 29%.
    Peter Slipper in his valedictory speech put it all into perspective when he recalled a young new member of parliament in the Liberal Party sitting in Parliament amongst his fellow Liberals for the first time, describing those in the Labor Party as "the enemy" and was soon told my an elderly, much wiser, colleague, that they were not the enemy, they were "the opposition" and that he was surrounded by "the enemy".
    Nothing has changed, it is dog eat dog and survival of the fittest, not necessarily, the best. Everyone will be given an equal opportunity to vote for their personal "favourites" very soon and isn't that the beauty of having such a wonderful treasure that we call "democracy"?
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    3:41pm
    You're right grateful. All we can do is "ask for sixpence and take thruppence" :(
    It IS democracy in a pretty nice country so it IS better than nothing, isn't it ?

    27th Jun 2013
    3:48pm
    The wonderful, TOP NOTCH ECONOMIC POLICIES that the Labor Party have been implementing since being in office have been mostly those that Kevin Rudd laid down. Even the recent 'whistleblower' protection legislation was Rudd's.

    So I have no problems with Rudd coming back into power.

    I didn't like the change from Rudd to Gillard but did like that Gillard followed Rudds master plan (main issues).

    Gillard gave Australia the PRESTIGE of having a woman prime minister. One that was an atheist and unmarried.....bloody brilliant, actually - couldn't have happened in any other country in the world - go Australia!

    What I didn't like, at all, was the disgusting personal and constant attacks that our corporate (foreign) owned media made against her and then on Rudd before and after they had forced the swap.

    The corporate (foreign) owned media are certainly NOT interested in this country spreading its wealth around the ORDINARY people but want that reserved for the likes of Murdoch and his cronies. They have continually spewed forth POISON whenever it comes to whatever the Labor Party do or whoever the Labor Party have as leader.
    Grateful
    27th Jun 2013
    4:01pm
    For "corporate owned" media, let's be out in the open, it is all about Rupert Murdoch who took up a U.S. citizenship to further his own business opportunities and has the total domination of Australia's media. THAT is the greatest threat to our democracy not our political parties.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:28pm
    Grateful

    Brilliant succinct comment and you are right.... it is "the greatest threat to our democracy"
    unicorn
    27th Jun 2013
    4:00pm
    Right on Mussitate it is all up to the media's fault if we are so lazy and gullible to listen to all their drivel how can we have the brains to vote to give us a new P.M. for the next three years ?
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    4:01pm
    Mussitate, I agree. The machinations of the media have been far more offensive than the democratic moves of all political parties in this great little democracy called Australia. I have lived elsewhere and I still holiday elsewhere but this great place is the one that I happily call Home. Can't wait to see what challenges are ahead for me, in the short term, in the long term for my children and their children :)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:23pm
    Cheers!
    Danielle James
    27th Jun 2013
    4:18pm
    Mussitate,
    You make fair comment about the Murdoch media, but whatever the media, it takes a position.

    Freedom of the press!? I do not think so. A freelance journalist stated that he, and other freelancers, always ensured they know a paper's policy before submitting pieces ... otherwise it would be rejected.

    You really must give the general public, apart from yourself and unique others, credit to know what they are reading and how to assess it. The general public does not need lectures, it is not completely moronic. If it leans one way or the other it is generally based on thouthful appraisal of the situation, and not succumbing to media hype.
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    4:46pm
    Hmmmm. It is hard to sort the wheat from the chaff when assessing situations especially when you, like most journalists, can't actually 'be there, seen that'. Oh yes, we can "Google it" but the Web is a minefield, isn't it ? Love to think that the general public isn't affected by media/advertising etc hype, but fear that there is a very real reason advertising (lecturing) of nearly everything is successful and is why it is a thriving industry.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:08pm
    Twila

    Your last paragraphe needs a further look because it is not that people are stupid or anything...I know of highly intelligent individuals who have never even considered that they are being 'fed' propaganda by our corporate (foreign) media.

    The media infiltrates all aspects of our lives and is very, very persuasive. When you also consider that Media uses psychological methods to sell products through advertising, their influence becomes even more pervasive (and insidious).

    Corporate (foreign) media withholds the truth, feeds us lies and a huge amount of propaganda to further their own wealth BUT they do it so well.

    So I tend to bang on about it because it is important for people to actually be aware of what our media do, so that they can 'look' for themselves. Knowledge is powering.
    student
    28th Jun 2013
    2:45pm
    Mussi, you're right about the media using psychological means to sell their message, have you noticed the TV News desk sets are nice shades of calming blue?? They also use words such as 'horrific crash', troubled teen', 'brutal killer' ... but wait a minute... isn't the news supposed to be impartial?? These words can lead to a dismissal of a murder trial because we, the public, have been influenced by the media.

    You are so right .. knowledge is empowering.
    AlbertC
    27th Jun 2013
    4:26pm
    glad to see kev back and returning gillards knife she can now put it with all the other knives in her closet under KR nest to S&G and any others that she has go to it kev. have a nice day.
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    4:59pm
    The change will not have any bearing on the result. LIBERALS by a landslide and we can get back to normal.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2013
    5:20pm
    ......AND what ADVANTAGE will that OFFER AUSTRALIANS .

    WE already have the BEST of the BEST of the BEST.

    What has Mr (marionette) Abbott offered to date, that will better our current situation... NOTHING!!!!!

    In fact it will definitely do the opposite, putting us back into the DARK AGES!

    Yeah.... go think!
    Gords
    27th Jun 2013
    5:16pm
    Beemee has a fair grasp on the matter and I say good riddance. It was not all about the ballot last night but a long trail of dubious involvements with JG that did NOT set a good example for any leader. I like to think that the party I vote for have some integrity with a respect truth and honesty. Bring on the election and let the people have their say.
    wally
    27th Jun 2013
    5:28pm
    Kevin's 57 finally tamed the shrew. Thanks, in part, to the efforts of Bill "the Blade" Shorten and his encore act of treachery first performed in 2010. As Julia returns to the Lodge to start packing before the return of the Ruddster, what is left of the Labor front bench? Is it time for Labor's"C-team" to occupy the ministries? Who will be doing what? Considering the 29% support the pollsters said supported Gillard's Labor, How will Rudd turn this around in time to make headway before the election? Will he dump the Carbon tax, the Open Door Policy extended to illegal boat people? Will he reverse the calamitous policies he instituted in his first time in office? In his speech Wednesday night, he did not really outline what he would do in the time he has left before the election. He did not say what his policies would be should he secure election, whenever we have it. Instead, all he did was tell us what Tony Abbott MIGHT do. Did he accuse Abbott of being a policy free zone? What policies did Kevin Rudd actually say he would follow? Is the government he leads going to lurch along repeating the same blunders he instituted and Gillard kept in place? Or will Bill "the Blade" Shorten and the union heavies in the Labor caucus dump him again after the 2013 election? We live in interesting times.
    Foxy
    27th Jun 2013
    5:31pm
    Penny Wong "a silent knife" and so is liar Bill Shorton
    bring back the days of real politics and ye olde John Gorton...
    Krudd the dud is sooooo aloof and thinks he is the "charmer".....
    nothing ventured - nothing gained - my friends ........we have CLIVE PALMER!!!!!! :)
    heyyybob
    27th Jun 2013
    5:36pm
    Arrrrgggghh !! *Face palm(er) !! :(
    normie 39
    27th Jun 2013
    5:49pm
    So what happens to the First Bloke now.
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    6:23pm
    He'll probably ditch Julia, she is of no further use to him.
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Jun 2013
    7:38pm
    Airline ticket already in the handbag.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    5:49am
    Macjam and Ductape... you girls are really running hot tonight. Right little charmers.
    alfie
    27th Jun 2013
    5:55pm
    Australians have short memories.... Kev was taken off by his own party because he was incompetent and yet we want to vote him in again? Surely we have more brains than that don't we? What does the other side have?...unity at least and some direction to pay off the debts. This Labor party who only thinks of their party first instead of Australia has to go. Listen to what they say.."I'll do everything I can for the labor party and for the Australian people"... yeap, you guesssed it right...they only think of themselves all the time. Wake up Australia and at least vote for a Change.
    Paddles
    29th Jun 2013
    3:16pm
    Alfie

    Take my advice! Don't ever bet the farm on the collective wisdom of the Australian voting public. It was they who gave us the Governments in 2007 and 2010 and that speaks volumes about their perspicacity.

    I'll bet you have heard many times (as I have) people saying....."Oh1 I'm not interested in politics and all that stuff!" They are either intellectually unable or just too plain lazy to realise that our lives and standards are dictated by political decisions. Frankly, I think that is part way to justifying non-compulsory voting where only those persons interested cast their ballot.
    robin hood
    27th Jun 2013
    6:03pm
    The labor party is like a bunch of 1st graders who spend their time bickering with each other how can a party like this run a country if they cant even decide who is going to lead it maybe the libs will show them how its actually done without the continual fighting and name calling its disgusting that we have to have someone running our country like that as for Rudd all he has done for 3 years is plot his revenge its a joke
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    6:19pm
    Revenge is sweet. Rudd has achieved what he had set out to do. Win or lose the election he doesn't care.
    Golfer
    27th Jun 2013
    6:30pm
    For 1097 days Rudd plotted, schemed and slithered his way to depose the parties choice of leader. He did it with contempt, ruthlessness, party destruction, embarrassment and bitterness loaded with more lies of denial than we can imagine.

    I said before that it's a disgrace but that is a gross understatement.

    The man is evil.
    from the nanny state
    28th Jun 2013
    11:29am
    Never a truer word written...... my sentiments completely.
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Jun 2013
    7:36pm
    He's gone!
    Marls
    27th Jun 2013
    7:38pm
    What a snake in the grass
    Kevin is too full of his own self importance
    Supporters of Kevin have short memories
    And don't get me started about Bill Shorten
    Shame Shame Shame
    OLD MILL
    27th Jun 2013
    7:40pm
    Thank goodness Ruds back, it had to happen, Labour YES!!!!!!Heather
    Mary
    27th Jun 2013
    7:44pm
    Me thinks Labor has taken the recycling idea a bit too seriously - let the voters decide - and hopefully not the independents
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2013
    7:51pm
    The current bunch of independents have already left the nest. Nobody with an inkling of common sense would want to see another hung parliament. Independents never.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    5:55am
    Windsor is an exceptional politician, along with Wilkie. Responsible and good for Australia. A hung parliament is better than having Murdoch's marionette running the show. If the budgie boy does get in, the countries only hope is that the senate is FULL of minor parties, so that there is a proper house of review to curtail some of Murdoch's nastiest policies.... sorry, I mean Abbott.
    Pines
    27th Jun 2013
    9:53pm
    Kevin Rudd says we should be kind to each other, well a lot of you people obviously don't believe in this. Poor Julia Gillard is feeling as low as she can and all you mean spirited people can do is grind her down even more. The people I am referring to have closed minds and obviously are minus compassion. If you prefer to follow all the media hype that is spread by the Murdoch Press and media, via Tony Abbott also, you are welcome to it. This man is a totally self centred person who cares nothing for anyone as long as he gets financial gains and his control. Someone who commented previously said he is like the ugly little Gollum in the Harry Potter series, quite true but even more he reminds me of the awful emotionless Mr Burns in The Simpsons. Never smiles and walks all over everyone, once they have satisfied his needs he moves on.
    Huskie
    27th Jun 2013
    9:55pm
    What happened to reasoned debate and waiting for the relevant Political Parties including Independents to release their COSTED policies before making a judgement on any of them?
    Pines
    27th Jun 2013
    10:17pm
    My description is referring to Rupert Murdoch, not Tony Abbott who does smile occasionally but usually in a smirking way
    Pines
    27th Jun 2013
    10:20pm
    The Liberal Party never releases their policies until the last minute hence we don't get much real time to think properly about them
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    6:23am
    They are usually put to the people in 'double speak' as well. So the public do not understand what they really mean and access to the media by other parties to let us know what they are really doing is not available.

    Example: Abbott talks of States taking full responsibility and paying fully for Health and Education. This may sound great until you realise that to pay for this responsibility, they will need to raise GST by about 20%. GST is an inequitable tax that taxes those that don't even have an income, so pensioners will be greatly affected. The consequences of this is that those States (NSW & VIC) who receive more in GST will be able to provide a better standard than SA or QLD, etc. So we will be back to the DARK AGES whereby each State has different rules and laws and a variety of different STANDARDS of health and education. Oh! then the federal government has lots of money available seeing as they do not have to support Education and Health, so they give big tax breaks to the high end of town. A very, very effective way of taking from the poor to give to the rich.

    How the hell would the average person know what the full repercussions are of that simply one line "States taking full responsibility for Health & Education".....impossible!
    alfie
    28th Jun 2013
    11:08am
    The Liberals don't release their package until near the election because they are smart. The last time Howard released them too early in the campaign and Labor got a big surprise with their Package, Kevin simply matched them all without doing their costings in thier own budget thus a big blow out... We all know that Labor doesn't know how to run and control budgets.... they just buy votes and at the end we keep paying for it. People vote them in because of the freebies that they get... but those that deserve it don't... like the pensioners and veterans who worked hard for this country. Dole bluggers that don't work but can vote get the most benefits... wake up Australia and vote for a change.
    aquatrek
    27th Jun 2013
    10:41pm
    HA HA HA HA HA - What a Punch & Judy show it was. Now we have a knifed/twice rejected reknifer as a PM with a diplomatic ego bigger than an open cut mine. 50% of the party have abandoned the sinking ship and the remainder are bailing like windmills in a hurricane. Better than any TV script.

    Then on here are the 'rusted on tight' WD40 impenetrable one-eyed diehards who think that all is better once again. Yet festering sores without adequate biotic application just keep on festering. The biggest sore is the boat asylum fiasco - a sore deliberately created by this recycled failed PM. Another 3 boats arrived today. Its like a ferry rush hour on Sydney harbour and the only ones making a profit are the illegal people smugglers aided and abetted by the still prevalent ALP policies. Makes me feel sick to my stomach.
    nitzka
    27th Jun 2013
    11:41pm
    aquatrek,looks like you have just awoken from the effects of your last needle....time for another dose....When you again wake up start again,with your ravings, maybe things might have changed by then.....I am not a fan of Rudd by the way, but am concerned that Opinion Polls have a lot of influence......does this mean the very disliked leader of yours is to be replaced,like my idol Julia, by Malcolm????.....It is the game of Politics by the way!!! Maybe I have been dreaming, I thought I saw some figures , where Malcolm was by far the most popular in your preferred party....When is the change going to happen here????
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Jun 2013
    7:06am
    I love your style aquatrek. Well written and oh so true.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    2:36pm
    When John Howard took over from Paul Keating he inherited a 68 billion deficit
    When Kevin Rudd took over from John Howard he inherited a 28 billion surplus
    The current deficit is 280 billion and rising.
    This we have borrowed from overseas and paying interest on.
    Malta G.C.
    28th Jun 2013
    5:12am
    Wasn't it the same Julia, who backstabbed her Popular People Elected Leader?

    Wasn't the same Julia, who lied to those same people?

    Who plays with fire gets burnt! Who holds a sword in his/her hand, will die by the sword!

    As a Nation, we all should hang our heads in shame.....can we sink any lower in running this ONCE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY....THE LUCKY COUNTRY.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    6:11am
    The labor party, that was Gillard as well by the way....MADE us the lucky country.

    Where have you been Malta G.C. Australia is on top of the world in just about every conceivable economic form. Not just in relation to the GFC and most other countries being in dire straits but in the history of the world.

    We are doing that well under labor that Australia is ENVIED by the rest of the WORLD. If you went overseas and said your last sentence, they would lock you up for being deranged.

    You obviously have only been listening to Murdoch's media and think we are doing badly. If you lived overseas you would know how well we are doing..... doesn't that tell you something about our disgusting corporate (foreign) owned media!

    The wealth in Australia is spread out amongst its people more than any other country in the world, a factor that helps our economic prosperity, stability and well being. '

    If Murdoch's little helper gets into office, you can kiss all that goodbye. Health, Education, Universities, ABC/SBS, spread of wealth, CSIRO, Institute of Sport, NBN, standard of living, and the list goes on..... all down the drain. Murdoch and Rinehart have a neocon think tank list of items which their little helper (Abbott) has been given and which he has instructions to enact.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:01am
    Anyone with half a brain can go to the website that lists all political parties and the ideologies to check these figures; Oz governance since Federation 1901: 66% coalition [rural and business] versus 34% ALP [communist, socialist, union owned, corrupt Federal and state, fiscal mismanagement, borrow > spend > borrow > spend > raise the borrowing cap > borrow > spend, budget deficits one after the other, surplus promises broken like pieces of confetti in the wind] = reality. Not the drivel that you put out Mussitate. And then there is the Vic police AWU fraud investigation still to come.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    6:57pm
    Drivel not good enough for you my little, little 'fiend' ... here, I have a tissue for that dribble .... you seem to have had this problem for awhile I have noticed because again (sigh) your comment is irrelevant and nothing to do with my comment.... have you seen your doctor about this phenomena, tell him/her that it is a constant thing and not just spasmodical.

    I think I might have dropped an "r" off somewhere, dear me.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    7:05pm
    quote "MADE us the lucky country." unquote - your arrogance is only superceded by that of the recycled already failed non-democratic MacTiernan directed open cut mine sized ego driven Dudd.
    geez this is fun Louise especially now that Dudd has declared a potential war on Indonesia ! = idiot
    rtrish
    28th Jun 2013
    7:28am
    Just when I thought my feelings for that lying weasel, Rudd, couldn't get any worse - yesterday I got an email from his office asking for donations! No, I did not donate .....
    lorra
    28th Jun 2013
    9:56am
    Here, here! I could not believe the gall. I received one too and wonder how they got my name and email address. Donate??? No way!!!
    Wendy HK
    28th Jun 2013
    7:29am
    Noooow! Liberals do the same to joke Tony Abbot and put a believable leader in like Joe Hockey or Malcolm Turnbull or can we have another Party so I caan vote for "none of the above"
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    7:55am
    Mussitate. Your 6.11am post (Good morning!) has it in a nutshell. I'm just grateful for what we have here in Australia. NO, I am definitely NOT wealthy just one of the ordinary (Mum &) Dad Australian who does appreciate what we have here. All I would ask any thinking and voting Aussie is to NOT look at the Leader of the major political parties as, in fact, they are just figureheads chosen for their 'appeal' to the non-thinking voter. Look carefully at the Policies of the various parties. Having chosen the party that has the best, FOR AUSTRALIA, policy then be active (not just a 'critical' bystander) politically in getting that party elected. Good luck with that ;)
    from the nanny state
    28th Jun 2013
    8:17am
    Mussitate...... going from $Billions in credit to $Billions in debt in 12months.... YEAH.....

    GREAT WORK......DOH!
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    8:21am
    "Read my lips.... G F C" Then look around the world at how well they fared :(
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:04am
    Oz survived the GFC because when the ALP took over Oz from the NLP it was in a very good situation. Stuff all to do with how clever the ALP are.
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    10:36am
    You think Aquatrek ? Don't forget to throw in the cost, to the nation, of all the bushfires, floods, cyclones etc that this GREAT nation has suffered and survived in the last 10 years. For some reason people are still fighting to come here to live. C'mon, get real :O
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:48am
    some sufferers of our great nation's fickle weather effects are STILL waiting for the promised govt helping handouts and the insurance claimed $$$$$$$$$$$
    More moola goes overseas than what gets paid to the needy in Oz. Others have posted the figures.
    As for who does most of the work in dealing with those national weather disasters - well its all bluddy VOLUNTEERS mate
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    11:03am
    I'm sorry, it's not ALL bluddi volunteers MATE :(
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    11:08am
    oh ok - mostly you pedant
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    11:45am
    I was referring to the cost to repair/replace the public infrastructure and assistance that has/will be paid, by the taxpayer, and which CAN be counted in billions.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    11:56am
    You move too quickly for me, an olde coot, heyyybob - we were discoursing the GFC and you threw in what amount to mostly state issues. FTNS had replied to the red Mussitate media rant as although it/he has stated that they are wealthy they heap accolades [always] as if the only party that has gotten Oz to this point is the ALP = DRIVEL. 66% versus 34% and the odds are that that will decrease to less than the ALP 34% despite Kevin747 re-landing the high flying diplomatic jet.
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    8:39am
    For those who say Australia is down the Shitter....nominate which country in the world that offers more of everything than Australia, to the Ordinary Citizen and I will be more than willing to toss in $10 (ring a bell ?) out of my Age Pension to help purchase a bunk, for them, on a slow moving boat to go there so they can be happier than they are here ;)
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:56am
    Having lived overseas in the 3rd world I can only agree that this country is the best for climate variability [some like it hot whereas others like it cooler] and the general living standards and services are uniform across all regions. Otherwise I for one would not have chosen to return to live permanently here.
    But its not that its going down the gurgler [just yet] its what those who govern are up to. Like constitutionally legalization of a 3rd layer of governance as in the local councils - who are told what to do by the state regardless of which political party is in state power ?
    A national school curriculum = brilliant idea.
    A CO2 tax = stupidity.
    One things for sure - I will not ever ever ever vote Green again.
    unicorn
    28th Jun 2013
    9:14am
    ' from the nanny state 'What $Billions of credit? I think you are having yourself on.
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    6:02am
    Definitely not......It has been absolutely squandered on rubbish ideas that never worked and a great deal of it went to illegal boat people and charity overseas.
    Too many Australians are living in this prosperous country on the streets and our hospitals could do with a much deserved proper boost. etc etc etc.We are in debt up to our eyeballs ...as well as the interest we have to pay on that debt...unicorn.

    28th Jun 2013
    9:21am
    We now have a Prime Minister who, with his family support the wickedness of same sex marriage, this is a real danger to Australia. The notion of same sex marriage comes forth from reprobate minds and is against nature, an abomination most wicked indeed. New Zealand has become a nation of reproach because of this wickedness, however there is nothing new under the Sun as can be attested by this quote. 'Men play the part of women, and women that of men, contrary to nature. Women are at once both wives and husbands. O miserable spectacle! Horrible conduct !' <<< written nearly 2000 years ago, so nothing is new
    Foxy
    28th Jun 2013
    10:08am
    ...."wickedness of same sex marriage" - "real danger to Australia" - explain how please???? May I suggest you live and let live and try to step out of your Bible and into this century! Absurd comments - it's not gonna affect you in any way.......go join a biblical forum. Arrggghhhhhhh........
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:10am
    What the orators of the world [limited by what they knew then] acknowledged 2,000 years ago has limited relevance in the 21st century. If those are what you have faith in then the al-Qur'an and the Bible are all that humans need. No need for parliaments making laws or regulations.
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    10:40am
    Oh dear, oh dear :( Time to turn the hose on wicked, wicked PIXAPD methinks ;)
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    12:54pm
    YOU Godless ones will always condone wickedness, for you yourselves are wicked in heart, mind and spirit...that's why you applaud and condone the practice of the catamites, sodomites and lesbians...and so you are guilty of greater evil.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    1:15pm
    just call me Beezlebub the Atheist and I will be happy you sick retarded evangelist
    Foxy
    28th Jun 2013
    1:57pm
    ....methinks PIXAPD is living in the wrong country! Make your move now to the U.S.A. where (if you are quick) there are still 36 States left yet to condone gay equality (which they will do eventually) - relocate yourself to the Bible Belt where you can stand on the street corners with the "haters with the signs".....and just for the record I'd rather sit at a dinner-party with a table of Atheists - be a lot more fun!!!

    28th Jun 2013
    9:30am
    THE WICKEDNESS OF MAN

    They worship not the Creator
    Who is blessed forever, amen
    But they bow before the creation
    And worship the creature in man.

    So God gave them over to passions
    Both men and women as well,
    They work that which is evil
    For them, their own place is hell.

    The sodomite, the lesbian
    Have turned from the natural way;
    Working that which is unseemly
    To their lusts they have given sway.

    Women with women in wickedness
    Men that mate with their kind
    The sight of them all is in darkness;
    They all have a reprobate mind.

    Their practices are the damnation
    A recompence which is meet;
    God has given them over to Satan
    The yeast of their sin they must eat.

    For they have changed the glory of God
    Into an image of corruptible man,
    Of birds and fourfooted beasts
    They have made God whatever they can.

    This wickedness of man might be
    A thing that you practice too ?
    I say, repent and turn unto Jesus
    Read Romans, chapters one and two.

    Please see Romans 1:18-32 and Corinthians 6:9-11
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:11am
    BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE hark hark hark evangelist evangelist evangelist on site
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    10:42am
    Run away ! RUN away !! RUN AWAY !!!
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Jun 2013
    1:25pm
    Me thinks PIXAPD has slid in under the radar. Back to Tasmania with you!
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    2:25pm
    limblessly evolved critters like snakes slither so has pixapd slithered onto here as opposed to slid ?
    I rest my case on the fact that the Telstra sock snake can type.
    digiom
    28th Jun 2013
    2:42pm
    Ductape - I usually support your comments but running down my home state is deplorable. Incidentally, I do not support PIXAPD's views.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    2:51pm
    It is noted that you folks will bring reproach to Australia in your support of sin....for righteousness exalts a nations but sin is a reproach to any people.... thus you folks yourselves are a reproach to this nation.
    Tom Tank
    28th Jun 2013
    3:35pm
    No wonder PIXAPD loves Tony Abbott quoting that other misogynist St Paul.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    3:49pm
    whereya been pixapd ? fighting bushfires - not darn likely.
    Foxy
    28th Jun 2013
    5:06pm
    lol at aquatrek - probably lighting them (joke) - sick of this Jesus freak on here - everyone have a great week-end - outta here ..........
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    7:04pm
    You folks will face the fire that will not be quenched, unless you repent
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    7:17pm
    hey pixapd - you got the keys to that truck and can you drive it - well ............................
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    9:03am
    'Women are Bad, Sinners' a poem for men and for the encouragement of women,

    www.richard-2782.net/poem212.htm

    The Apostle Paul would agree, but the ignorant never understand because they are.... 'ignorant'
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    9:41am
    a pathetic post pixapd - where is your biblical page of quotation from one of the supposed 40 or more authors circa 0 - 1500 AD ?
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    9:53am
    'Women are Bad, Sinners' a poem for men and for the encouragement of women,

    www.richard-2782.net/poem212.htm

    The wise read whilst the ignorant remain ignorant
    from the nanny state
    28th Jun 2013
    10:03am
    Heyybob..... I am not worried about the rest of the world.....you can only do so much for other countries.... I am very worried about Australia.....If we sink so will they... 'cause we will have nothing more to give....
    heyyybob
    28th Jun 2013
    10:43am
    *sigh. Goes off to make a cuppa, take a Bex, lie down and count my blessings ;)
    Foxy
    28th Jun 2013
    11:23am
    ....love your sense of humour heyyybob - you always make me smile on here.............
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:16am
    Shorten is the King and Queen maker and destroyer. Now who pulls Shorten's strings ?
    roccy
    28th Jun 2013
    10:22am
    The leader of a political party should not be based on his popularity within the party, but his strength to lead and his qualifications, there is much said about Rudd’s white anting of Gillard, but she was made deputy to Rudd, and did she not white ant Rudd, as to the excuse that he treated the MP badly and ran roughshod over them, well some of them were farmers, doctors, lawyers, housewives, maybe they needed direction, to not be able to handle strong direction, how would they cope in real life if they had to work in the private sector, not to well I would think. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that under Rudd and the "Labour Party" policies which he presided over "Australia" did not fall into recession like the rest of the world through his strength and direction. Gillard was not able at the last election to lead the Labour Party to a convincing win and govern in their own right, and under her leadership, in fact she was losing ground most of the time she was in power, through pride in my view she did not accept that maybe she should step down for the sake of the Labour Party which was heading to probably an annihilation at the next election, as it is now may be too late to save the party but at least it may be a dignified loss.
    Titch
    28th Jun 2013
    10:30am
    It is true that we do need to look at the policies of the parties involved. It's also true that being swayed by the media and the leaders of the parties involved doesn't help the country much. Perhaps we all need to be wise in our choices?
    from the nanny state
    28th Jun 2013
    10:33am
    When is Rudds next overseas holiday? He should have been a pilot.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:41am
    Indonesia to beg that they can have more of our navy boats if they stop the asylum boats.
    Janall
    28th Jun 2013
    10:35am
    Gillard must be feeling as flat as a S?!t carters hat. Tim should take her down to Centrelink when he goes on Monday.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    2:09am
    Obviously, you don't go to Centrelink, otherwise you would be more grateful to Ms Gillard. She (and Rudd) have done a bloody lot for those that are not as lucky as we two.

    You don't have to worry about Ms Gillard dear, she is quite intelligent and a Solicitor, so will be making a comfortable living, as prior to entering politics, without a doubt.

    I think it quite wonderful that Gillard did not lose sight of the grass roots of Australian and continued to fight for our rights and more income for the disadvantaged.

    Something you yourself, seem to have lost sight of, which just goes to show how big Gillard is, in comparison to little old you.
    unicorn
    28th Jun 2013
    1:04pm
    This is just turning into a hate session either Gillard, Tim, Tony or Rudd. You all make me sick!
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    1:37pm
    Gullard is a bird with no feathers left on the stubby winglets; Tim who ?, Tony is shopping for new budgie smugglers and Dudd is still nowhere to be seen apparently polishing his tarnished crown.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    2:15am
    unicorn
    Yes, it deteriorates whenever quacktruck flops in and especially when he does his performance for the ringmaster Duckmate.
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Jun 2013
    1:19pm
    That's okay. As long as it's not personal!
    wally
    28th Jun 2013
    1:45pm
    If the Victorian police investigation into Julia's doings invovling slush funds, union money filched to finance real estate deals for boyfriend bears fruit, she will have plenty of time behind bars to indulge her passion for knitting. As far as Kevin being a loathsome mysogynist is concerned, then why haven't Julia's feminazi cabinet members Wong and Plibersick joined the likes of Garrett and Emerson in resigning their cabinet positions. Looks the ladies are not as misanthropic in their sisterhood as we might expect. Funny world, politics.
    sybilla
    28th Jun 2013
    1:48pm
    I had intended to vote ALP for the first time in my extraordinarily long life. But after this shameless performance by the horribly flawed Rudd, I'll go back to voting for the Libs.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2013
    3:41pm
    Never change horses mid-stream
    bernieo
    28th Jun 2013
    2:20pm
    Once bitten .. twice shy.. what a joke...he's got plenty to say of little substance. And his actions are just as lacking. As for his "saviour", Shorten. I'm ashamed to say that he is my local member. He's great at achieving anything that puts him in the spotlight and shafting anyone who gets in his way. Before he came and pushed his way into the seat of Maribyrnong, we had one of the most wonderful representatives in Bob Sercombe. A local and much loved guy apart from any political sense, and one who lived in and acted for his local constituents. The only time we ever see Shorten is if there is a photo opportunity there for him... Time to bring it on.. clean 'em out and give us someone who is able to earn the total respect of the electorate
    unicorn
    28th Jun 2013
    3:34pm
    SOMETHING WRONG?

    It will be funny to hear Wong's name in parliament my friend says she always think they are saying somebody is wrong.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    3:56pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Wong

    a lawyer and holder of many ALP portfolios - could be the most intelligent of the Dudd pack.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2013
    3:57pm
    Pity about her leanings.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    3:59pm
    My most pleasant feeling way down deep in the gut is that Garrot will not be around.
    beryl
    28th Jun 2013
    4:11pm
    Whether it was Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd both are better than the alternative.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    2:26am
    Agreed... anything is better than the alternative of Rinehart & Murdoch's little helper, who will crucify Australia and sell us out without blinking an eye.

    Abbott wants to play with the big boys so much, it oozes from him. If he keeps losing popularity Murdoch will probably replace him with Hockey (a corporate yes boy through and through...... they have made him lose some weight, shut his mouth and spruce up a bit and have had him standing in the shadows, just in case).

    The won't put Turnbull back in, even though he is popular because he has this annoying habit of asking Murdoch and Rinehart WHY? when asked to jump hoops.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    4:11pm
    Here's the real crisis in Australia: extract
    "Canberra can't be happy to hear its AAA-rated economy likened to one of the reviled investment vehicles that blew up amid the 2008 global crisis. Yet the comparison is being made by some economists, who see the asset underlying Australia - demand from China - beginning to evaporate. Australia is a microcosm of what awaits the world. How officials respond will offer clues to policy makers everywhere. No country is more vulnerable to the much-dreaded slowdown in China than resource-rich Australia. The mining boom that fuelled nearly all of its recent growth is nearing a cliff of economic risk.
    “Australia is a leveraged time bomb waiting to blow,” says Albert Edwards, Societe Generale's London-based global strategist. “It is not just a CDO, but a CDO squared. All we have in Australia is, at its simplest, a credit bubble built upon a commodity boom dependent for its sustenance on an even greater credit bubble in China.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/heres-the-real-crisis-in-australia-20130628-2p0um.html

    What will Dudd and Wong do about it ?
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2013
    4:18pm
    Australia lags behind the rest of the World in many ways and the economy will be no different. We will be having a AFC all by ourselves, very soon. Nothing left in the bank to bail us out of it, so everyone be prepared for severe cost cuttings across the board. Pensioners will be hit hard and the means and assets test thresholds reduced significantly. The Liberals have the better skills to manage this downturn, that is going to hit us like a "Tsunami". Enjoy the ride!
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2013
    7:43pm
    Wow! Have you two locked yourself away somewhere... welcome back to the now boys!

    Australia is doing very, very well thank you. Gee! where are we currently....ow that's right, we are at the top of the WORLD in just about everything!!

    Thought I should bring you up to date on these things.

    China, little ones, has over 1.3billion people..... so if the external market slows, they can turn internally. They are already working on strategies for a greater internal market whilst keeping inflation down. Rather than listen to a London based spin doctor.... well hell, you just need to look at the state of the UK to understand how much trouble, they are in...... you should look at Professor Steve Keens, an Australian who predicted, years before, of the GFC. His mathematical model has been right in all things except the Aust. property market which appears to have been a simple timing glitch.

    Also, Australia does not rely solely on mining. Yes, it helps BUT it is by no means all that we have. We are a highly educated nation, thanks to Labor who when they get in, then patch up the leaks that the Libs create and increase funding to public education.

    Don't be shy.... you can come out.... you are safe, healthy and wealthy in Australia. Safer and Wealthier than any other nation in the World.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    8:04pm
    just borrow some more national debt $$$$$$$$$$$ Mussitate and all will be honkey dory -
    then give Indonesia some more of our ships for free and then we can challenge them to a fair fight. You are a communist politburo i....t.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    3:17am
    One of the lowest GOVERNMENT debts in the world, old boy. Or are you like Abbott and don't understand that there is government AND private debt?

    Anyway, it is illogical to have NO debt.

    If you were in business, you would not leave money sitting in the bank when your equipment needs replacing or want to generate increased wealth or expand your business to become bigger and better. You do what you have to, in order for your business (country) to continue going forward and maintain innovation and maintain and improve the wealth of that business (nation). If the business left the money just sitting there which is what you and Abbott and Hockey are espousing for the government, then equipment (infrastructure) falls apart, the business (country) stagnates, innovation dies and the business eventually fails. Totally illogical.

    Now in regard to Indonesia....when Howard was in, with his racist policies and attitudes, Australians were hated by the Indonesians (hence the Bali bombings) but Rudd and Gillard have done a lot of work with restoring relationships with Indonesia and Australians are again regard well in Indonesia.
    IF Abbott gets in, then we can expect some more international negotiation ineptness and diplomatic buffoonery, causing volatile and dangerous relations with our closest neighbours.
    Again, it is logical to have a good relationship with countries that live on our doorstep or do you you think that you are far above other people in other nations (like supremacists) and can't see this logic?

    Gee... people like you make me laugh... you fling the word communist at people and expect them to run and hide in shame ..... it WAS merely another form of government and for you to expect people to be frightened by this term makes you a bit of a DINOSAUR.

    The new DIRTY WORDS are "neocon" and "corporatocracy" which add up to a new form of FASCISM whereby a government operates secretly in the shadows and openly spies on their own people, to keep them in line. We also know that your favourite place, the USA, spearheads and fully endorses this new form of government. They have throw away their "rule of law" (everyone treated equally under the law) and "habeas corpus" (right to a trial), the cornerstones of democracy. The USA is now able to simply black bag anyone (including Americans) and make them disappear - what a wonderful ANTI DEMOCRACY that is.
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    5:47am
    hahaha your ideology has you well and truly blinded but in both eyes - Conroy would have had all internet monitored and controlled - you cherry pick amongst the best of them - a red cherry picker extraordinaire !! Communism is alive and well in the likes of you. Why not relocate to Russia where Putin keeps it under 'control' - you wouldnt have the guts so you 'hide' here spruking your dogma against democracy. ho hum see ya in the gulag
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    5:53am
    ps - you pretend to 'invent' new vernacular as if you were the only arrogant anti-democratic stooge on the planet. Corporations have existed for eons - try the East India Company for example - entities like that have opened up the world to trade and the betterment of all.
    If the Oz government owned and controlled all enterprise that would fit the Marxist model perfectly - thats your model by the way. The ALP have a track record since 1901 for mismanagement of the coffers and nothing has changed - a leopard does not alter its spots.
    If Russia is too scary for you and your democratically earnt wealth then try Cuba - they would love your dollars.
    Riddle
    28th Jun 2013
    4:22pm
    Personally i liked Mr Rudd as PM before the back room power brokers kicked him out. How studid to believe newspapers that our now former PM Julia Gullard knifed him in the back to get job. Julia was deputy prime minister at that time, so it had to be her that succeeded him.
    I believe that the real reason at that time was because Rudd had dared to take on the might of the mining conglomerates in an attempt to extract a fairer tax from these robber barons that fleese all Australians of that could be best termed as a birthright. That time has come and gone and all Australians have lost out, just like the bottom of the harbour....to late now. I believe the Julia Gullard grew into the job and given the exceptional circumstances she did well. Over the last 20 or 30 years the labour party has moved so far to the right that i think their policys are representive of the old lib/nat party, but somehow still manage to prevail with a humanition philosophy which i prefer.
    Tony Abbot? Now if he was dumped right now and Malcom Turnbull was standing for PM it'd give me something to think about.
    unicorn
    28th Jun 2013
    5:11pm
    Couldn't agree more " Riddle ".
    Kaye Fallick
    28th Jun 2013
    5:55pm
    Aquatrek, love your participation but please observe request for non-abusive language
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    6:32pm
    if you 'published' some clear guidelines then we would all know what was and what wasnt allowed - given some grey of course - I used the word 'shit' and that has been used many times before so what is your problem ? its an accepted low level word used in kindergarten schoolyards !! Should I have used 'excrement' instead ?
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    6:33pm
    sorry - I forgot that you are 'biased' against the 'blue tie' club. apologies dreamer
    beryl
    28th Jun 2013
    6:12pm
    Personally Aquatrek your language does not bother me at all. I find you refreshing compared to the cruel homophobic rants of some people here. Frankly I am shocked they are not banned from the forum.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    6:35pm
    its a so called non-biased bunch of moderators so we just put up with their 'excrement' decisions

    28th Jun 2013
    7:01pm
    aquatrek

    Of course dear.... it is all THEM.... not you little one! There, there you just keep going with your little demented tantrums.... I am just slipping out to get your doctor... won't be long now. Oh! and don't slip on that last comment, I'm sure someone will clean it up shortly.
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    8:07pm
    DUDD DECLARES WAR ON INDONESIA = absolutey brilliant policy to stop the asylum seeker boats - geez if he keeps coming up with gems like that I will definitely vote for him - not for his party - just for him - for an Aria War award !!!
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    3:23am
    You got that all wrong.... not a surprise.

    I will repeat what I said above:

    "Now in regard to Indonesia....when Howard was in, with his racist policies and attitudes, Australians were hated by the Indonesians (hence the Bali bombings) but Rudd and Gillard have done a lot of work with restoring relationships with Indonesia and Australians are again regard well in Indonesia.
    IF Murdoch's little helper (Abbott) gets in, then we can expect some more international negotiation ineptness and diplomatic buffoonery, causing volatile and dangerous relations with our closest neighbours.
    Again, it is logical to have a good relationship with countries that live on our doorstep or do you you think that you are far above other people in other nations (like supremacists) and can't see this logic?"
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    6:09am
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-28/rudd-accuses-abbott-of-risking-indonesian-conflict/4789134
    then
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-29/indonesia-wont-be-drawn-on-rudds-conflict-comment/4789162

    note this is from your own national impartial news feeder: your red cherry picking lets you down often as you rewrite history - just like all communists do - leopards cannot change their spots unless they get a body paint job - what colour would you like to go over your red natural coating ? try blue
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    6:18am
    Rudd is a trouble maker with his rantings..... Indonesia will always accept our charity though. I think Rudd should get the OSCAR.
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    6:50am
    can we have two political OSCARS in just 1 month - yes of course we can - one for the ALP girls as in Juliars crying to an empty parliament - a scenario surely concocted by that Irish 457 working refugee and one for the ALP boys as in Dudds war mongering verbal diahorrea débâcle.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:36pm
    Now, now quacky your problem with different forms of government are getting monotonous. If I am a communist you are a fascist extremist. Quack, waddle, quack.
    Danielle James
    28th Jun 2013
    8:50pm
    Rudd's speech on taking up the mantle of PM, was thoughtful and inclusive.
    I was anticipating similar reasoned and thoughtful comment at the press interview. One lives in hope.

    Albeit only a few sentences, Rudd managed a diplomatic gaff by implying the Indonesian government (apparently so inept) might go to war over the asylum seekers. Thereby also inferring our asylum seeker policies be determined by the Indonesians.

    Those of nervous disposition were engulfed with fear and panic. But they needn't be! Vote ALP and be saved ...! Vote "t'other way" and be prepared to dig bomb shelters.

    Statesmanship at its very best.

    As is the Aussie way, we should give Rudd another chance ... A psychotic event (but temporary) due to overpowering eurphoria and a mouthful of canary feathers impeding blood to the brain.

    Rudd our saviour "as in ages past"...
    aquatrek
    28th Jun 2013
    10:10pm
    you should write a novel
    Danielle James
    28th Jun 2013
    10:21pm
    Ah, aquatrek...

    Such wonderful material and it keeps on coming ...!
    beryl
    28th Jun 2013
    10:32pm
    Aquatrek I sent you a private. You wont find much intelligent discussion here.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2013
    10:43pm
    What a relief!
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    1:53am
    petersj

    How would you know, you haven't input any.
    Happy
    29th Jun 2013
    2:31am
    Who looks after Pensioner's = Labour

    Who Brought about Pension Increase Reform = Rudd

    Best not to cut your nose off despite your face and remember were your bread is buttered people.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    9:29am
    Happy I'd be happy if you could just look past your next pension cheque. A selfish reason to vote for any party.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:42pm
    Macjam

    You have difficulty looking past corporate media dribblings and soak it all up without one single thought.

    You didn't even know that Australia was currently on top of the world economically and that average Australians have the highest standard of living and are the most wealthiest people in the world. UNDER the LABOR GOVT.

    Then you have the audacity to insult someone else, suggesting they are SELFISH. How STUPID would he be to vote for a party that will DENIGRATE our standard of living and remove our wealth.

    Go think jamtin.... no really, sit in a corner and try and use some grey cells.
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    6:02am
    blue team 64+% versus red team 34-%
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    9:57am
    Somethings will never change.
    unicorn
    29th Jun 2013
    9:00am
    Exactly " Happy" Tony Abbot wiukd more han likely cut our pensions should he get enough backing to get in.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    9:42am
    Rudd a fool's paradise. Fools, well that really sums up Labor voters, most of whom lack initiative to help themselves, but always digging into the pockets of others.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:52pm
    Arrrhhh! But any fool is better than Murdoch's little helper and hey.... guess what...that person you call a fool has helped put Australia at the TOP of the WORLD.

    "digging into the pockets of others"..... yes, Rudd is putting a stop to PUBLIC money (our hard earned taxes) going straight into the PRIVATE pockets of the wealthy. So he can be said to be "digging into the pockets of others" (the wealthy).

    Which is a lot, lot, lot, lot, lot, lot better than taking money from OUR pockets and PUTTING it into the WEALTHY's pockets which is what Murdoch's little helper will do without ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER!!!!
    unicorn
    29th Jun 2013
    9:58am
    I am not necessarily a labor voter but do not see any other person aat the moment is worth voting for and certainly wll not vote for DIM WITTED Tony Abbott - please don't telll me what quafications he has and his off sider Hah I liked him until he was promoted & given the job as opposition treasurer he could not add two plus two in my opinion..
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    10:38am
    Wasn't it you who said that this is turning into a "hate session" and that they or we all made you sick!
    DIM WITTED Tony Abbott....Well that's the pot calling the kettle black??
    That sounds like a "hate session" to me.
    Swan has done a wonderful job of losing all the money.
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    10:39am
    Gotta Flit.....
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    11:32am
    Sorry.... wrong expression.......GOTTA ZIP
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    5:55pm
    Just an opinion about a politician.. unicorn ... didn't insult you or run your opinion down.

    That will be my job..... I enjoy it (my little failing).

    So nannypanny flip zip.... enjoy your nap.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    11:09am
    Message from Mr Abbott. The best choice for all Australians is the LNP.
    Quote

    At the next election, Australians will face the clearest choice in a generation.

    It is a choice between the stability and certainty of the Coalition or continued division and chaos under Labor.

    We can provide Australians with that certainty – because only the Coalition has a Plan to build a strong, prosperous economy and a safe, secure Australia.

    In particular, the election is a choice: between our plan to abolish the carbon tax and Labor’s commitment to increase it and expand it. Labor’s increases to the carbon tax start on Monday when the carbon tax goes up 5 per cent.

    The next election is not about Kevin Rudd or me. It’s about a strong Australia and a better future – for all Australians.

    Unquote
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    11:39am
    Yes, We need stability for Australia.... and for some time we have endured nothing but chaos
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    6:04pm
    Go think peoples..... what rock have you two been sitting under Macjam and Nanstat!

    Australia is the MOST stable ECONOMY in the WORLD. It is also the BEST economy in the world.

    If we are already at the very, very TOP of the world. WE ALREADY HAVE a strong, prosperous economy and a safe, secure Australia.

    -Selling off the ABC; SBS; CSIRO; Institute of Sport
    -Transfering OUR public funds into private pockets and dumbing down our kids education and crippling our public health services
    -redistributing the wealth FROM the people to the wealthy
    -spending $29billion on a throw away (already out of date and unable to be upgraded) internet system - NFN

    The list goes on and on and on. Yes, the only place that fool will take us is DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.... to the same depths that the USA are now experiencing.
    Danielle James
    29th Jun 2013
    12:28pm
    Mussitate,
    I have seen communism close up and in action, not for a day, nor month, but several years. Have you experienced communism at all, apart from reading feel-good tracts, which do not reveal how communism is implemented on the ground?

    Purportedly to coerce the people to embrace and assist communism, they used the carrot and the stick ... and the stick became bloodier and bloodier. They realisted that a bloodied stick did more to help the people than any carrot. But it was for their ultimate own good ... The people should have realised this.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2013
    6:14pm
    Twila
    I have experience a fascist dictatorship and you really do not want to go there.

    All you need to do is look at Russia before and after the transfer over to the 'western' way.

    Drugs, thugs, crime and a system were people lived as animals... that was the 'western' way. It is STILL not safe to go to many places. If communism was so bad why does the communist party in Russia, still have such a very large following..... voluntary support ... not coerced.

    Compare the current USA with its slums, poverty, drugs and crime, to the current day CUBA or Venezuela. Or even compare Cuba and Venezuela from what they were to what they are today. They are not communism per se but Cuba is probably the closest.

    I don't want communism for Australia, we are unique, we have a fine balance between a socialism and free enterprise AND that is why we are doing so well.
    Danielle James
    29th Jun 2013
    12:49pm
    We should give Rudd a chance ...

    Those who really hate him have stampeded out the door. Most of those left hate him marginally less ... Rudd is proven long on memory and patient in vengeance. What better for a stable effective government.

    We are Aussies and believe in a fair go. Let's give Rudd a chance.
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    12:56pm
    Rudd had his chance and blew it with his arrogance.... even his own party had to get rid of him..... and they are still walking out the door.....
    He's already started with his latest stupid comment.... won't be long. He's making his party look stupid yet again.
    aquatrek
    29th Jun 2013
    1:27pm
    Borrowed from Pete above:

    When John Howard took over from Paul Keating he inherited a $68 billion deficit - heading for the fabled 'banana republic' by el presidente Snake with the venomous forked tongue

    When Kevin Rudd took over from John Howard he inherited a $28 billion surplus - Oz 'future fund' and a smart savings for a crystal ball reading/soon to arrive GFC

    The current deficit is $280 billion and rising. GIZZARD was about to raise the ALP already raised borrowing cap from $300 billion to $350 billion !! This we have borrowed from overseas and paying interest on.

    What will Dudd & Wong do now ?
    Start a war with Indonesia and they will use the ships that we just gave them for free !!
    I wonder who would back the largest Islamic country in the world against Oz ?
    Would the Kiwis turn a crooked eye ?
    Would Tassie cast off the cables ?
    from the nanny state
    29th Jun 2013
    3:29pm
    I am still in tears losing Mr Howard.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    3:56pm
    And the 20+ % interest rates and the "recession we had to have". Never let any Labor politician in your house, not only will they go for the cookie jar but the "piggy" bank as well. As they say fools rush in and mostly they are Labor voters.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    12:56am
    Howard was the worst PM we have ever had!!!

    He increased our taxes by introducing a disgustingly inequitable tax called GST which filled his coffers. The governments income (from taxes) was the highest it has been in the history of Australia.

    Okay, let's see what he did with those funds because they were nearly all spent! Did he pour money into infrastructure....no. What about increased services to the people he taxed.....no, he actually closed down free dental and decreased services. Invested in new technology......no. Poured more money into CSIRO for research into new innovations or solutions to problems.....no. The environment and new technology to reduce energy consumption......no, he actually closed down one universities research into alternative energy by not funding it. Gee, I am running out here of all the possible things Howard could have done but did NONE of them.

    Howard did NONE of these positive things....what he did was to TAKE OUR public funds and GIVE them to PRIVATE institutes and corporations. He created a NEW PRIVATE Health system for those that could afford it AND subsidised health insurance corporations with OUR money. Then.....wait for it.....Howard REDUCED spending on PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES.

    WHAT else did he spent money on, yes, that is right Howard did the same for EDUCATION!! He REDUCED spending to PUBLIC SCHOOLS and allowed them to run down and then GAVE OUR MONEY to PRIVATE SCHOOLS......oooooodles of it!

    So....Howard....increase what we the PEOPLE paid in taxes and then GAVE it to PRIVATE corporations to provide better health services and education to the wealthy whilst at the same time DECREASING PUBLIC Health and Education.

    Whilst Howard was in power, the people got poorer and the wealthy got wealthier.

    WHAT ELSE did this UGLY PM do...... He ignored the people saying NO and ignored our elected representatives and consulted no one but US officials and took Australia into an ILLEGAL INVASION whereby hundreds of thousands of innocents were murdered, either directly or indirectly. All so that the USA could control and sell Iraq OIL in US$.

    Australia became a TERRORIST TARGET.

    Then we had the totally RACIST manipulation of Howard's "babies overboard" a fabricated LIE which was known to be just that. Under Howard's racist regime, Australia had its FIRST ever racial riots in Cronulla.

    Yes, that very little megalomanic had a lot to answer to AND he did in the end. The Australian eventually had their say and showed him the door......Howard was ONLY the second PM to have LOST his SEAT, that is how much he was discarded by the people.
    from the nanny state
    30th Jun 2013
    11:43am
    Mussitate.... just keep rambling on....I couldn't be bothered to read your long saga.
    unicorn
    29th Jun 2013
    4:06pm
    What about Howard's Tax on everything you buy in Australia.10% on everything even food!
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    4:16pm
    That is an equitable tax as everyone even "bludgers" have to pay some form of tax. I would rather a flat income tax regime and a higher consumption tax. A progressive income tax system to me is a s regressive tax, as it stifles productivity and encourages some not to work.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2013
    4:37pm
    Not on all foods, but it should be.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    1:06am
    You are one SICK DUDE muckjam

    Hitler would be sooooooooooo proud of your political machinations of repressing the people and giving money to the WEALTHY. Because that is EXACTLY what you are proposing with your SICK statements.

    You are saying: That the poor and disadvantaged should pay MOST of the tax and the wealthy should pay LESS of the tax AND that even food should be taxed higher, so that people can't afford to eat.

    Brilliant....That is what is happening in the USA. The rich pay next to nothing and the average and poor American foots the bill for the rich to get richer and richer and richer, whilst they have to live off food stamps because those rich mongrels got GREEDY and stuffed up a ONCE prosperous and wonderful country.

    You sound like an under educated and poor MASOCHIST that thinks your masters are always right. Are you from the USA....because Australians aren't like that, we answer to no one and simply do no know our place because we are relatively equal and don't have a 'place'

    Australian and Australians are multicultural and simply brilliant!
    unicorn
    29th Jun 2013
    4:18pm
    How come when talking of our P.M. he is referred to as Rudd. not Kevin or Mr. Yet when it comes to abbott it is Mr. Ha ha!! Not for me you have to have a bit of respect for anyone you want to call Mr & I have none for Tony Rabbit I am afraid. Sorry Nanny State we will all cry boo hoo Howard is another I will not call Mr. The only thing he showed at having gutz was stopping the rifles in Australia though it still hasn't stopped the crims from owning rifles when they do that it might mean something.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    10:19am
    Mussitate, yes that's more or less it. It's nonsense saying the rich pay no taxes, but you will always believe the spin of your beloved Labor. I do not agree with your last paragraph. Australia will rue the day it thought it could save the world by "inviting" so many misfit "cultures" into our society. And another thing the Labor always spouting about the working class but in actual fact that is a misnomer as many Labor supporters do not work at all.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    8:37pm
    mucky
    Why are you hiding your response to my comment here???
    If I didn't know better, I would have thought, from your writings that you were also an out and out racist, as well as under educated and small minded BUT of course, that could not be. Errr, do you come from MidWest USA, it would explain a lot?
    unicorn
    29th Jun 2013
    4:26pm
    Yes & it is good as long as everybody pays it trouble is that the rich still don't pay any taxes they do most of their shopping overseas therefore no 10% What does that do for the economy? I remember the local chemist telling me when it was first being discussed just think next time I want to buy a good watch I'll but it on one of my trips and won't have to pay.
    catsahoy
    29th Jun 2013
    4:51pm
    I DONT UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE POSTS, SAYING THEY HAVE HAD LETTERS FROM RUDDS OFFICE ASKING FOR DONATIONS, NEVER IN MY 73 YEARS HAVE I HEARD OF ANY CANDIDATE ASKING FOR ACTUAL MONEY,YOUR VOTE, YES, BUT NEVER DONATIONS, I AM NOT A POLITICAL PERSON AT ALL, AND NORMALLY WOULD NEVER COMMENT, BUT WHETHER GILLARD, RUDD, OR BILLY FROM THE BUSH, ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN ABBOTT,
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    1:11am
    catsahoy

    You are lucky, not to be asked for donations, I get oodles of them daily (okay I exaggerate but that is what it feels like). From all parties. As I am in business, I get quite a few from Murdoch's party but hey, Murdoch is getting all the advantages if people vote for his marionette (Abbott), so why should I pay anything towards that.
    catsahoy
    30th Jun 2013
    7:12pm
    mussitate, maybe being in buisness is why you are asked for donations, not being in the buisness sector i have never been approached, after reading all the wrangling going on on this site, im glad i dont get involved in politics, but will just say, ABBOT says he will abolish the carbon tax, and well he may, but you can bet your bottom dollar he will get it another way,
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    8:29pm
    Yes, catsahoy, you are right, he will.... If they remove the carbon tax the POLLUTERS who currently PAY for their pollution under the carbon tax (ordinary Australians are subsidised), there will be:

    - NO incentive for POLLUTERS to change their ways, innovate and invest in research to implement cleaner ways of doing things;
    - POLLUTERS will simply keep MUCKING up Australia, whilst taking their PROFITS OVERSEAS;
    - A BIG COST to ALL Australians to CLEAN UP their MESS..... someone has to do it and that is where your statement is correct, they will get it from US the people. Meanwhile big business, that caused the MUCKING UP and POLLUTION of our country, contribute NOTHING.

    ABBOTT doesn't care whether it is good for Australia, he simply wants to please his MASTERS.

    ABBOTT has even gone around to POLLUTERS who were going to invest in cleaner production and telling them to NOT do it because he would be getting into power shortly and that he would remove the Carbon Tax. How incredibly disgusting is that!
    Danielle James
    29th Jun 2013
    6:33pm
    Mussitate,

    Which fascist regime was that?

    From what I have seen with fascism and communism, just different hats ... the oppression and human rights abuses are the same.

    The communist terrorist activities, however, catapult human rights abuses into a whole new category.

    I agree with you, and wholeheartedly so, that Australia is unique ... and the best of all possible worlds.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    1:16am
    Fascist Dictatorship regime, it was and NO communism does not go anywhere close to being a fascist dictatorship. You can live with some dignity under communism, this is not so with fascist dictators.

    Where...is my business and something I do not talk about, anymore.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    1:50am
    Unless you are willing to provide the place where you lived under fascism then a comparison cannot be made with communism.

    Your idea of fascism ... might you be alluding to life under Howard ..

    I saw the bodies and the blood on the walls with communist terrorism. It can't get any worse than that.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    1:55am
    An afterthought, Mussitate ...

    You - a card carrying communist (if not literally, then ideologically) and you lived to tell the tale of life under a fascist dictatorship!?
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    10:55am
    Mussitate,
    I believe you were raised in Melbourne. What on earth would have compelled you to relocate to a fascist dictatorship? Even more strange given your justified hatred of such, that you don't seem prepared to discuss your first-hand experiences. First-hand experiences are valuable for others to hear.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    11:14am
    To all the Labor supporters, enjoy the cost of living increases coming your way. You can stop it by making an informed choice.

    Message form Joe Hockey:

    Quote

    Tomorrow, Labor’s carbon tax goes up by 5 per cent.

    The carbon tax doesn’t just go up tomorrow – it will go up again on 1 July next year and will be expanded to include diesel fuel on heavy vehicles.

    For families, small businesses and exporters across Australia this means even more pressure on prices, particularly transportation costs.

    Last week, the Coalition sought to stop tomorrow’s carbon tax increase but Labor blocked it.

    The Coalition opposes the carbon tax. We oppose it in every form.

    Kevin Rudd might rebrand it: the Coalition will abolish it.

    Unquote
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    6:01pm
    You are right, the coalition will remove labor's carbon tax.

    You know the carbon tax that TAXES the POLLUTERS, and where ordinary people are subsidised. The same carbon tax that forces polluters to innovate and invest in alternative methods of production, etc, to reduce their carbon footprint....yes!

    The coalition's alternative is to simply TAX US! WE the PEOPLE will PAY for the POLUTERS to MUCK up OUR country.... where is the incentive to change their ways, to innovate and invest in carbon reducing facilities and production.....eerrrhhh..NONE.

    They simply MUCK up OUR country as and when they feel like it, TAKE their PROFITS BACK to their own countries OVERSEAS and LEAVE US with the MESS.

    OH, WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IS!....... GO HOCKEY!
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    11:18am
    Haven't we the highest carbon tax of any country in the world? Why is that?
    aquatrek
    30th Jun 2013
    6:56pm
    pls dont expect an intelligent answer because the red team apparently dont have any - well, none that has been observed for their pathetic 34-% of governance
    from the nanny state
    30th Jun 2013
    11:59am
    I just hope Liberal will be able to pull us out of this mess when Mr Abbott is sworn in as our next P.M.
    Mr Abbott will have a lot of work to do just to wipe out the air fares that Ruddy Rudd will spend of the tax payers money.....
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    12:07pm
    I know they can , their past record is good enough for me. Labor always leave office with mounting debt and keep spending until its last breath. Mr Abbott is a fine man and will represent Australia at home and abroad with aplomb.
    from the nanny state
    30th Jun 2013
    12:59pm
    Yes, quite right..... they have done it before and they will do it again....It's like a recurring illness we always have to recover from.
    beryl
    30th Jun 2013
    12:06pm
    Mussitate you are one of the most insightful intelligent posters I have seen here.
    THank you for bringing some sanity here.
    Funny they think calling a person a communist is an insult yet I am not sure they know what a socialist or a communist or indeed a democrat is.
    You are going to get lonely here my friend if you are looking for intelligent argument.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    12:33pm
    "Mussitate you are one of the most insightful intelligent posters I have seen here."

    Horse-feathers ... !!

    ... and calling someone "dude" ... what era is he living in ... an ageing hippie??
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    12:15pm
    petersj

    Mussitate stated
    "... communism does not go anywhere close to being a fascist dictatorship."

    Would it be fair comment to observe that perhaps he/she does not know the difference between socialism and communism?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    7:30pm
    Mussitae states nothing, he lives in a world that does not exist. It is called Lala land (AKA Labor land)
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    12:25pm
    It would appear that unless one supports without qualification Mussitate and petersj's position, then one is not intelligent. Perhaps Mussitate and peterj could have a thread of their own. There obviously in no point of debating those who not only have such high IQs, life experiences, and also infallible judgement on all things political. They will tell us so ... And we are greatly honoured.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    12:29pm
    But they always return to the forum.
    from the nanny state
    30th Jun 2013
    1:28pm
    We don't have to read their comments....
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    5:39pm
    Twitta

    All fine old boy, if that's what your perception of peterj's comment is...I'm fine and will go with that. Tah! Nice to know you are 'greatly honoured' but, hey, so you should be.

    Macjam and nanny are smarter with their comments..... look and learn twitta. Trolling doesn't become you.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    1:06pm
    Macjam,

    Yes, indeed. Perhaps to gloat. I wonder how many have been swayed due to their insightful and intelligent (quoting peterj) contribution. Hands raised for a count ...!!!
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    5:42pm
    Again, dear, dear twitta.

    Sneering and deriding someone because they had the audacity to compliment someone, you don't like and obviously are intimidated by.

    Cowardly to pick on others because you perceive them to be 'easier' targets.

    Pick on me Twitta..... go on!

    30th Jun 2013
    3:43pm
    Dad and Dave Rudd lived in Snake Gully.... the site of the present Parliament House in Canberra..... lots of yellow bellied snakes and death adders too...back biters also....waiting to strike.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    5:44pm
    Yeah...... At least you show snakes respect and get out of their way. Better than where Murdoch's little helpers live..... Brown Nose Alley.... it's a long way down and doesn't smell to good.
    unicorn
    30th Jun 2013
    4:06pm
    where do Tony & Joe live? In ^^^^^Gully.

    30th Jun 2013
    5:32pm
    Twitta

    At last you have come out from under the covers and stopped hiding your FASCIST and moronic attitude. You ARE a really, really mixed up micro person.

    If you read my posts silly boy, you would know I was NOT brought up in Melbourne but I do like Melbourne.....great place and do frequent it whenever I can.

    Point is, my dear FASCIST micro person, where did YOU see the blood on the wall from communism. FASCIST dictatorships knock the spots off ANY communist brutality. All you have to do is to go to SOUTH AMERICA to see what dictatorial fascism is like and the GROSS slaughter of people who live in abject poverty and who try to object to being treated like a toilet brush. Those dictators, who were inserted and funded by the USA, sometimes had a coup and threw out democratically elected governments.

    Things are changing drastically in these countries and the brutal fascist dictators have been deposed and democratically elected (LEFT LEANING) governments have taken over. These countries are now flourishing under these 'left leaning' form of governments, the people are better off than when they were ruled under the iron fist of fascism...... NO brutal murders of ordinary people... unless of course you consider the assassination attempts perpetrated by the USA.

    The biggest and most brutal fascist dictatorship that is still standing strong, would probably have to be SAUDI ARABIA. You know the one supported TOTALLY by the USA!!!!! What do you have to say about that country, who have the worst history of treatment of women, who cut off heads, hands and feet of its people as a form of punishment, where people simply disappear and the ordinary citizen is terrified of their dictator and their regime.

    Oh! and how cowardly you are. You pick on Peterj because he gave me a compliment which was nice but you decided to chase him off this forum with your creepy, crawly, nastiness. It is simply being a bully or in internet language a 'troll'.

    Why don't you take me on twitta, my little flower, or are you afraid your petals may bet bruised.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    6:07pm
    You attempts at be controversial are not working. Your diatribe is only a distortion of your mind, but luckily you now have the NDIS to make your life easier. Peterj can accompany you. Good luck.
    aquatrek
    30th Jun 2013
    7:01pm
    the biggest TROLL has spoken yet again with most idiotic diatribe I have ever seen in my life - "where did YOU see the blood on the wall from communism ? "
    get a life
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    7:03pm
    Mucky

    Controversial....your kidding! Well you really do have a small world to play in don't you, no wonder your mindset seems to follow on from that.

    Let's play, shall we.......... your move
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    7:11pm
    Aquatek Mussitate is challenging you, may the best loser win
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    7:12pm
    Aquatek Mussitate is challenging you, may the best loser win
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    7:16pm
    aqualung
    My favourite TROLL, your comment says nothing which matches your whole persona it seems. So are you going to explain the parts of what I said that are idiotic.... please do.

    Oh! my life, I have one already...... a really great life. Thank you for offering another but I am more than happy with the one I have.

    I realise your humanitarian propensity is difficult to find at the best of time but it is a start, to ask about another's life. What is it they say.....one step at a time... you will get there one day, keep trying.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2013
    7:19pm
    Mucky
    Not up to it....what a shame.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    8:39pm
    YLC , close this topic it has served its purpose. Can I suggest no more than 3 posts per member on any topic or no longer accept comments after 3 days of opening. Life goes on you know.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    2:19am
    Macjam

    It has been you and aquatrek and then finally Twila, that have swirled into this forum and insulted people willy nilly and when I take on your challenge and call you out on your bad behaviour, you cry 'foul play'.

    If you can't take it, may I suggest you do not dish it out.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:45pm
    swirled into ?
    you are so blinded by your own brilliance under that massive 240 volt set of spotlights that the increase in the carbon tax will send you bankrupt !!!
    catsahoy
    30th Jun 2013
    8:52pm
    i thought this page was to discus things in a rational manner, you have turned it into a personal slagging match, enough, you do it on every subject, if you cant keep your comments to the topic at hand, keep off.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2013
    9:01pm
    This is Australia, nothing is rational here. Lucky I have tickets to get out of this damn place.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    2:21am
    Glad to hear it Macjam. I wish you a speedy journey.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    9:09pm
    Mussitate,
    I did address my questions to you. Your silence was deafening. You hid.

    My comments to petersj drew you out. QED. But still no answers, just abuse. Fair enough.

    I doubt my comments to petersj caused him to leave the thread. If he is upset I apologise. Your implication that he was somehow not up to it and fled I feel is most unfair.

    You ask me of my experience. A hint. Communist terrorism from 1948 to 1960. Australians with others (not the US) fought them till 1960. Many Australians returned with PTS. The region is not so far from here. If you don't know about this conflict, then your history of communism is woeful and missing a relevent chaper.

    Now you respond with answers you avoided giving above.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    1:03am
    Twitta

    YOUR comment was that he "was not up to it and fled" is typical of your self delusion - to try and insult someone RIGHT AFTER you issued an apology, by spewing lies and saying 'someone else said'..... Somewhat childish but very nasty of you Twitta.

    Petersj, has a good life and can't see the point of arguing with persons such as yourself, who simply spew forth poison. Logical, yes!

    Me, I just can't resist small people who spew forth insults and innuendo at other people.

    How assertive you are Twitta, enough to make me swoon if I wasn't ROTFL.... you actually ORDERED me to reply to you..... goodness do you know how ridiculously silly you sound, ordering someone to respond to your mewings, on the internet!!!!!

    It gave me such a GOOD laugh that I will very, very, very, very, very graciously do my best.

    Period you speak of Malaya 1948 - 1960:
    REASON PROBLEMS COMMENCED: The withdrawal of Japan at the end of World War II left the Malayan economy disrupted. Problems included UNEMPLOYMENT, LOW WAGES, AND HIGH LEVELS OF F O O D INFLATION (double speak for NO FOOD). You see the British administration NEEDED the REVENUE from MALAYA'S TIN AND RUBBER INDUSTRIES to ENSURE BRITAIN'S OWN POST-WAR RECOVERY, so they used all that land for tin and rubber instead of FOOD!!!!

    Things erupted when three EUROPEANS were murdered..... don't worry about the murder of non-Europeans .... only take notice IF EUROPEANS are killed. Make sense?

    AN ASIDE: Do you know why it was called an EMERGENCY Twitta.... that would be because the rubber plantations and tin mining industries pushed for the use of the term "emergency" because their losses would not have been covered by Lloyd's insurers if it had been termed a "war". Profit and Money to the END, aye.

    The war was in FACT a PEOPLES UPRISING that the POMS would not tolerate because they NEEDED the produce of Malaya for themselves!

    The peoples uprising was even called the "Anti-British National Liberation War".

    So, the Malaya's wanted to rule themselves in the WAY they wanted to rule themselves and NOT have British RULERS controlling their key assets, treating them like tenth grade citizens and starving the people, how arrogant and disgusting is THAT. Not thinking of their rulers and the people in Britain!

    THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, the brutality of Britain, waging war on a people who just wanted to be able to live and be able to EAT!!! Their land used for products such as TIN & RUBBER, instead of FOOD and other produce that would benefit the PEOPLE of Malaya.

    A case of get the hell out of someone else's country, I would have thought.

    Same thing happened in Korea and Vietnam, except it was the Yanks.

    Some things just do not change.... recent invasions to steal goodies..... Iraq - OIL and selling OIL in US$; Libya - tons of Gold Bullion and OIL; Syria - gas pipeline to Israel and Strategic position; Iran - (can't easily invade, so have place embargoes on this nation which includes medicines whereby people die, including kids) Iran has lots of OIL, is Strategically Placed and controls the Strait of Hormuz - much desired by the USA.

    Don't you think it disgusting that Australians, who GOT nothing out of this, DIED and suffered, so that Britain could take another countries produce and right to simply survive.
    aquatrek
    1st Jul 2013
    11:11am
    above is the perfect example of a TROLLS verbal diarrhoea surpassed only by the evangelist born again but not evolved PIXAPD. The reason that I havent engaged in further txt warfare is that I do have a life other than responding to the drivel from the mentally unbalanced and insane = Mussitate and Pixapd. Namaste.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    3:37pm
    aquatrek

    Go away and grow up. When you have gotten to at least the age 18, you can come back and discuss things with me as a grown up. Until then, I will continue to treat you as if you are a pimply, self indulgent, wet behind the ears teenager.
    Danielle James
    30th Jun 2013
    9:17pm
    Incidentally, the communist terrorism reasserted itself and continued until 1989.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    1:09am
    The British of course were wonderful and RULED Malaya with total regard for the Malays. That is why they STOLE their land to produce TIN and RUBBER and didn't give a toss about whether the 'natives' got to EAT.
    After watching your kids die of insufficient food and medicines, whilst your British Masters' dogs did better, I myself would have got a bit brutal.
    Danielle James
    1st Jul 2013
    2:53am
    It took you all this time to find out it was the Malay Emergency. And you got the facts utterly wrong.

    It was never a Malay movement. Communist terrorists were only ever Chinese. Not one Malay, nor Indian, nor any other ethnic group was ever a communist terrorist. Despite being terrorised and killed to try and force them to co-operate, Malays and other ethnic groups, including Malay Chinese feared and hated them.

    Villages and kampongs had to be placed under protection to prevent communist terrorist infiltration and killing sprees.
    There was never any shortage of food nor medical supplies. There were hospitals and schools and all other facilites as needed.

    If it hadn't been for communist terrorism, Malayasia would have had its independence much earlier. In 1960, when the Emergency was declared officially over, Merdeka (Independence) was also declared. No more British rule. Yet every British colonial officer who had been answerable to Whitehall was now contracted by new Malay government to serve it; adminstration went on exactly as before. The hand-over occurred without a hiccup.

    However, the communists renewed their terrorism and killing. They were finally quelled in 1989. Right to the end, the Malay population comprising of different groups, including their own Chinese nationals, resisted the communists.

    At no time was there any shortage of food, nor medical supplies nor any other needs. School and hospitals and every other necessary facility were well catered for.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    3:14pm
    Of course, Twila, that is why the British were running the plantations etc. They still had control of the ASSETS of this country and did NOT want to let them go.

    If the country was independent why were Britain there at all!

    Your assertions that there were no shortage of food, etc is rubbish. History has recorded that food was highly, highly INFLATED which means that the average person could not afford it.

    YES, you have just said it....ADMINISTRATION went on EXACTLY as before.

    We had a hand over of a country to the people BUT nothing changed, of course the hand-over when without a hiccup, it was a handshake amongst gentlemen. Pity about the people in there somewhere, run by a puppet government who did whatever the British wanted.

    You do NOT get a war going on for that many years without support from the inhabitants of that country. It simply doesn't work that way.

    History is written by the victors Twila and if you really need for it to reflect that the British were lovely and that our boys died (once again) to ensure that BRITAIN got control over Malaya's 'goodies' and not the 'evil' communists, that is your delusion, not mine.
    Danielle James
    1st Jul 2013
    3:00am
    Mussitate,

    May I say in the nicest possible way. You are unhinged. One can't even give you the benefit of being deluded. You, Mussitate, are utterly unhinged.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    4:55pm
    I disagree with you Twila. Like petersj I love Mussitate's comments.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:41pm
    mussitate is a mumbler extraordinaire - a person who has selected a false name that directly typifies its diatribe = mumblings
    that means that its brain can only produce mumblings
    not adult, factual, real, true, meaningful, realistic, accurate, verifiable, relevant discourse
    I suggest that you suck up to someone else with at least some degree of credibility
    preferably on the blue team if you want the truth

    1st Jul 2013
    3:29pm
    Twila

    You have got on this comment stream and caused one normal and nice commenter to leave it because of your rude and disgusting comments to him.

    All this was done because this commenter paid me a compliment!!!!

    You then try to insult me and order me to respond to some 'off-topic' subject, well more than off-topic...... nothing at all to do with ANY current news item or this or any other discussion or relevance in the last 60 years???

    Then when I very graciously respond with my views on this topic, you do NOT come back and discuss any issues you may have about my comment, you post this:
    "You are unhinged. One can't even give you the benefit of being deluded. You, Mussitate, are utterly unhinged."

    If someone is unhinged, I am afraid that prize would have to remain with you Twila. I am sickened by your utterly contemptible behaviour and if you continue with it, I will have no alternative but to take the issue to the administrators.
    Danielle James
    1st Jul 2013
    7:15pm
    No extraordinary inflation. Never lack of food; on the contrary in fact ...

    Growth and Transformation of the Malaysian Economy by Assoc. Prof. Sadono Sukirno, Pengajar di Fakultas Economi, University of Malaya, Malaysia
    www.ekonomikerakyatan.ugm.ac.id/My%20Web/Sembul20_1.htm

    See also: Article 153 of the Consititution of Malaya

    Works have been written about Malaysia's economy (and social history) from the late 19th century to the present. Works have also been written about the Malay Emergency and communist terrorists. Those who are interested can research the facts for themselves.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2013
    7:36pm
    If they talk of communist terrorists, then it is definitely the victor's history.

    I am sorry but the inflation WAS exceptionally high on the cost of food, that fact was included in the victor's history.

    It is understood how horrible it must feel to go to war and kill people, just so a nation can cadge another nation's produce.

    The vets from Vietnam, suffer the same thing. Young Americans today are trying to get over Iraq.

    It goes on and on, governments have a lot to answer for and Australia needs to ask a lot more questions before it enters into someone else's invasions or incursions into other peoples countries.
    Danielle James
    1st Jul 2013
    7:59pm
    Those who are interested should also read the histories written by the people who lived through the Malay Emergency - The Malays, Chinese, Indians and other ethnic groups.

    These people of different races and from different walks of life, for whom communist terrrorism remains deedply etched living memory.
    Danielle James
    1st Jul 2013
    8:31pm
    Mussitate,
    No other country should exploit another's resources. The colonial period in history ... and British colonialism was certainly not the worst. Many subject states at this period had neither the know-how nor experience to recognise their own resources, nor exploit them themselves. Hopefully, we will never see colonialsm of this nature again.

    I agree, governments must be more discerning before rushing in to invade/whatever another country.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:53pm
    definition: mussitate - talk indistinctly, mumbling, mutter, murmur, muffled
    so so apt a choice of name
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:26pm
    Charming. The snake rears its head.

    Oooooo..... am I supposed to get upset or something.

    I chose the name......of course I know what it means....DUH!

    Brilliant name for anyone that doesn't take themselves seriously but has fun commenting.... don't you think?

    I WAS going to comment on your name but it got rather rude....very, very funny but still rude, so decided to hold back on that one.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:02pm
    you are soooooooooooooo unaware you blind eyed communist - the true snake in this pile of red hued vipers is Anaconda !! Maybe she/it/he outranks you in the politburo in Oz ?
    Are u double spacing so that your myopic vision can cope with the big black letters on a white background ?
    "On the flight to Jakarta he will recharge his hairdryer, order two lightly toasted cerumen and avocado sandwiches and gaze out on a sparkling sea where thousands lie drowned by his own hand."
    ohhhhhhhhhhhh - sorry sorry sorry - he who is flying in the extract above is the idol that you bow down to - so so very sorry - that he deliberately murdered so many children and their mothers
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:03pm
    a stupid name really - as if it was going to fool anyone other than oneself ? pathetic for an adult [supposedly - probably aged about 12]
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:07pm
    dont hold back - ever dear mumbler
    that means try some clear, concise, objective, realistic, factual, true, believable dialogue
    not the drivel that you have mumbled your way through for many past posts
    mumbling represents what your brain is delivering to your mouth = mumbles
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:08pm
    ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

    strike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:31pm
    I always try to refrain from commenting after imbibing a few too many.

    It is very 'intoxicating' at the time to send forth odes to inebriation but when read afterwards, doesn't seem to have come out quite right.

    What say you aquatrek.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:46pm
    so what yon are attempting to say is that you are an alcoholic - here in eastern Oz its circa 18:45 and you are inebriated already - well, thats a shame as it would only enhance your mumblings
    go have a deep long sleep and sober up - if you can

    2nd Jul 2013
    5:29pm
    YOSEMITE SAM for PM... guns blazing to turn back the boats.... we can hear him even now.... 'I told you to turn back...and you are gunna turn back, I aint gonna go 'til you do' bang, bang, bang, shoot, shoot
    sensible senior
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:06pm
    WELL ALL I CAN SAY WHAT PARTY GETS RID OF THE STATE GOVERNMENTS AND PUTS THE COUNCIL IN THEIR PLACE HAS MY VOTE.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:25pm
    Yeah, like I trust real estate agents who clamour to be on local councils to further their own development schemes. They wouldn't know and care even less about the good welfare of their locality, let alone the State.......they are only interested in making money for themselves.

    If you could fix that aspect, it may be worth looking at.
    sensible senior
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:13pm
    Mussitate do you think that politicans are sqeaky clean to me there quite a few corrupt ones there is good and bad in everybody but nowdays its getting harder to find the good ones . would it not be great to turn on the t/v/ and hear good news instead of all the violence in the world. look what the other leaders are doing in the world today and no matter who gets in we are governed by the world bank. i believe we should get out of the united nations to me they are not worth a pinch of salt. we once were a great country but this is slowly being eroded . Your Mr.Rudd will gain in the polls at the moment but after awhile people will see the true mr. rudd. he is not a leader but has charisma and thats what appeals to the public, he knows how to work them to his advantage.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:34pm
    the mumbles by definition mumbler carries on with its useless discourse - if the GOVERNMENT controlled every aspect of your life [Marxist ideology] then you would be the very lucky individual and also deliriously happy polite courteous citizen doing exactly what you were told to do by the likes of the politburo = mumbles itself because mumbles would not like for one millisecond to be a polite courteous citizen !! extreme hypocrisy at its best - forever complaining whingeing gesticulating about what others may or may not have over and above what the mumbler thinks it haves = social mental illness or just a form of private mental illness - sad
    Danielle James
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:33pm
    Donald Horne, "The Lucky Country"

    "Australia is a lucky country run by second-rate people, who share its luck."

    I suspect that this is as true today as when he wrote it.

    Australia has done well, in spite of those that have run this country.
    Danielle James
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:55pm
    aquatrek,

    I think you are wrong. I'm sure that not only would "m" like to live in a marxist state, but also anticipates that he would be a member of the politburo himself.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:00pm
    agreed - aspirations of greatness thrust upon its oneself
    Danielle James
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:19pm
    aquatrek,

    I have to be very circumspect in discussing "m". Whilst his comments are often worse than unkind about others (a textual analysis of his contributions proving this), he is extremely sensitive to what I have said about him. Indeed, threats of "off with my head" (at least off the discussion thread) were made. I think this trait makes him eminently suitable to be a member of a politburo.
    aquatrek
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:56pm
    do you mean that the 'm' actually 'threatened' you within a private message ?
    Danielle James
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:10pm
    aquatrek,

    Not at all! It was directly after I made the following observation ...

    "May I say in the nicest possible way. You are unhinged."

    "m" responded - obviously deeply upset and hurt ...

    "If someone is unhinged, I am afraid that prize would have to remain with you Twila. I am sickened by your utterly contemptible behaviour and if you continue with it, I will have no alternative but to take the issue to the administrators." (rough translation: "Off with your head!")
    catsahoy
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:27pm
    DEAR OH DEAR, WHY IS IT THAT WHATEVER THE SUBJECT, YOU TWO HAVE TO TURN IT INTO A PERSONEL SLANGING MATCH, WHY DONT YOU GROW UP AND TALK OF THE SUBJECT AY HAND, IF YOU CANT, THEN GET OFF THE PAGE, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTERTAINING WITH YOUR RAMBLINGS, YOUR WRONG,


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