Eventually people will come to realise that, for Clive, it is all about Palmer

What's the name of his party - oh yes Clive Palmer United, all about Clive!

A back down is a back down even. We all (nearly all) know what Clive Palmer stands for. A Liberal sheep in PUPS clothing

I fail to understand why anyone voted for him in the first place . He is very obviously a fraud and a buffoon. Now he has an ally in the American song and dance man called Gore .
What a pair. Maybe if we don't feed them they will go away .

Clive is certainly full of surprises. How did he get Al Gore to play puppy dog? I do think he is playing us all for fools.

Thank God we will be rid of the ridiculous Carbon Tax.
Now we just need to torpedo the Paid Parental Leave scheme

If Clive Palmer is playing anyone for a fool, it would have to be Al Gore as first cab off the rank. Maybe Al was suffering from jet lag, or maybe Clive's Aussie accent confused him. Not only do we have Al Gore to thank for accelerating the great global warming hoax, we can also thank him for helping to put George W Bush into the US presidency. I shudder to think what he will do to round off his hat trick. I am also wondering what will come out of Thursday's breakfast meeting between Clive and Tony Abbott.

Never underestimate the power of self-interest. Clive is worth keeping a close eye on but if he lives up to some of his statements we are in for an interesting time in politics.
He has certainly pulled one out of the hat with the Carbon Tax demand. Tony will be able to meet his promise but not the way he wanted to and it appears he will have to back down on other stated intentions.

Stop making fun of this Gaseous Matter !!!

The Carbon Pricing Scheme is about to become an ETS anyway in this year or next. So why is Clive prepared to get rid of it and at the same time promise to give us one, on HIS terms, some unknown time in the future? Doesn't make sense! It is a devious ploy to try to make everyone happy. I don't understand why Al Gore is supporting this ploy.

The talents of Al Gore were sufficient to alert the world of climate change. The only thing Al Gore missed was that the relationship of sea water temperature and CO2 solubility. Climate change is here to stay and if society doesn't become alert to the importance of humanity to respect nature, then it will be sad as to what happens to society. Clive Palmer is recognizing Al Gore is on to something relative to humans being sustainable. Yes Clive wants to be King but without community he would not be king of much. Setting up a carbon emissions trade process that is intrinsically motivating to empower people to be sustainable by having the smallest carbon footprints possible through best practices and cleverness. Possibly Clive Palmer is clever because the human spirit is striving to be sustainable thanks to the discoveries of Al Gore.

Whilst I am not a religious "Entity", I believe that the following quote from the BOOK has much wisdom:"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven". I would modify it as follows:"It is much easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a Multi-Billionaire to NOT BENEFIT his/her own business but, instead, implement actions which ensure that "Precious Dollars" are "Slipping Away" in order to remain for his poor slaves to be spend on items quite frivolous to him/her".
In other words: "Once you have your first Billion dollars in the bank, it is just about impossible to net get/remain greedy!"
I think I can safely say that such applies to just about ALL OF US.
I don't believe Clive is the exception to this rule!

Takes very little to win the big mans mind.

For my money this whole Carbon Emission / Earth Degradation thing is a whole lot of crap.
They say the world (Mother Earth), has been in existence for 4,500 million years.
If that is even close to the truth, the modern atmospheric alterations have probably occurred 1,000 times in the past and everything will be back to normal in another 1,000 or so years. Don't bother calling me then to tell me I was wrong, as I will be on another planet.

So Tony Abbott gets rid of the carbon tax , as labor promised to do at the last election , Rudd said this will save the consumers 350 dllrs a year , now increased to 550 . Well done Tony...
I have already seen where my supplier AGL will backdate the carbon tax impost to July 1 .
Tony as well is saying that pensioners will keep their Carbon Tax compensation

There must be a billionaires club for idiots..How else do you explain Gore trying to read a prepared speech supporting something he is against ..

Palmer has voted down the only CO2 policy that effects him financially . He has left in place those that effect the rest of us financialy.

Mr Gore is an EX Vice President. He has been an EX Vice President for longer than he held the position. Mr Palmer has no 'noddies' (those people who stand behind you and nod appropriately during announcements) of his own until next week and needed someone to make him look important. Why is Mr Gore meddling in Australia's political agenda? Of course he will go to the opening of an envelope, but how can he hope to be taken seriously by being a noddie for Mr Palmer? Mr Gore must be some sort of negotiator if 'having a talk' with Mr Palmer caused Mr Palmer to change his views. I applaud those who over time reconsider previously held opinions and with perhaps more thought and maturity change their views. I have to wonder what is in this for Mr Gore?

But has Mr Palmer really changed his views or is it a matter of financial expediency? He has not inconsiderable holdings in coal (and hoping to build the world's largest coal mine), iron ore and gas. Is he trading these in to invest in renewable energy sources instead? I don't know but I doubt it. Given that his reported wealth this year is likely to be some $1billion less than last year - still over $1 billion - it is more likely that he sees a financial advantage to his own business interests than to those of Australia or the world.

I think he is right on one thing though. That unless the rest of the world is prepared to take action, nothing Australia does will have much if any affect on world climate. Having said that I would like to see the Building Code of Australia changed to enforce the installation of both water storage tanks and solar panels on all new buildings and developments together with any building/residence undergoing significant renovation. This would at least help to conserve some of Australia's resources for the future. And stop exporting so much whilst leaving Australian's to pay more for using less.

What is the tax going to be spent on? Inventing solar panels that don't get smashed in stormy weather ? Find somewhere to put windfarms where nobody can hear the whirrr of the blades swinging around....and find the money to do maintenance on them. Whoever is brave enough to go to the top them when the time comes deserves a medal and good danger bonus in their salary.

OK, I know this is a change of subject, and belt me if it makes you feel better. BUT, following is an e-mail I just received, which is probably a good interpretation of the word POLITICIAN.

Australia posts gives $2,000,000 to muslim museum then sacks 900 workers and plans to reduce mail deliveries to 3 days a week.
Australia Post chief executive Ahmed Fahour is patron of the Islamic Museum of Australia.
AUSTRALIA Post donated more than $2 million to an ­Islamic museum.
The donation was made months ago, but has only emerged now, when Australia Post is sacking 900 staff to stem the losses at its domestic mail division.
The donation - expected to be declared in Australia Post’s financial report later this year - raised eyebrows within the organisation,

The likelihood is that Palmer has literally been bought off.

Of course Gore himself had one of these epiphanies.

During his 7 years in office as US vice-president - the period when he had real and direct power and influence - he didn't show any interest in this subject. But politics cost him dear. When he quite, after his failed presidential campaign, he was down to his last 2 million.

Since then he has worked his fortune up to > 100 million by making a lucrative career out of public speaking etc to the AGW lobby, who have an insatiable thirst for listening to him.

This may seem strange when his first major foray into this area was to make a movie in which he stood on a step-ladder to show how the temperature curve on the now-discredited hockey-stick graph shot up to near-vertical on a forecast of what would happen if we did nothing - ie if we (as a global community) continued to emit CO2 at the then-prevailing rate.

That may have seemed scary at the time. Even if it only had a slim chance of coming true it was surely crazy to take that risk.

What has happened since then is that despite the many enviro-junkets pleading for CO2 emissions to be reduced - the world rate of CO2 emissions has actually rocketed - this due to rapid industrialisation in the developing world , China obviously being the main example.

But during that time global temperatures have remained constant. Hence, by any normal scientific rationale, the greenhouse gas theory has been disproven.

The warmists are now belly-aching about sea-temperatures. That's their latest lie. Ice cover at the pole is being brought up again now that it is at a low in its natural cycle. Those with a good memory may remember that this was given as a reason last time it hit a low. Then a few later it reached a high and we didn't hear about it.

Last summer here in South Australia was extraordinarily mild - so we didn't hear the usual bleating about that. The usual heatwaves just didn't happen. There was one hot day which were told (probably fudged data) peaked at 45C - naturally that was down to global warming - there was major a bushfire near here in May - the volunteers turned out in force but the CFS top brass (one of them on annual leave) failed to have air support available despite its being in the shoulder of the fire season which has frequently been extended into that period in the past (ie before the warming). Never mind - put out some spin about global warming - they'll suck that up - and they did.

Coming back to Palmer-Gore. Gore is heavily invested in ETS intruments which are currently trading at aridiculously low price. If the price rises (and he spends most of his time talking it up) he will become a billionaire again.

Palmer's fortune too has been in decline as resource prices have fallen. If Palmer buys into ETS at current prices he's on an each-way bet. If the ETS system takes off and the prices rise he'll make personal fortune - if it doesn't he'll have made a small political coup by using a pseudo-green trade-off to get rid of the carbon tax.

The two don't balance and I think the former is his main interest.

In doing what he's done he's shown himself to be without principle. Politics is partly about changing people's minds. Abbott was previously a "climate skeptic" - he said so himself to his own people but also conceded that it was aproblem for his party as 80% of people have fallend for the AGW scam spin - so he (the plain-speaking guy) "changed his mind" at the behest of his own party's spin doctors.

Palmer was supposed to be the hard-headed independent with a business background telling it as it is and free from the pressure goup lobbying that infects both main parties. He's now sold out to the worst form of that same thing -so as an independent he is worthless.

There are other independents, with whom I may not always agree, but I respect the genuineness of their positions. Initially I wondered whether Palmer was such a one and was being demonised and made out to be a nutter because he posed a genuine threat to the 2-party carve-up.

I see now that that was not the case. I wonder how the other senators on his ticket feel now.

It's good to see someone in the Parliament who is not pro-major parties to break the monopoly or duopoly on important issues.

This is a man who possesses an extra heavy bank balance and I believe a bored attitude to life. He needed a distraction, something to pass the time, a hobby to amuse himself with and guess what?, lo and behold his obscene wealth bought him a ticket into politics. What a hobby. My only wish is that the "naïve" who voted him into the 'power without glory' position he now holds ( giggle, I'll see how high I can make you all jump) would be the only ones to suffer the consequences of their lack of wisdom.

Note folks, there is evidence from ice cores that show temperature Vs Carbon Dioxide over past 400,000 years. So the phenomena of sea water temperature change and CO2 in the atmosphere is well documented. What seems to be missed in Clive Palmer's world is that 80% of human wealth comes from nature and there are times when nature brings hell to the community so some of the wealth from nature will be needed combat nature. Why should 1% of the population hold the wealth while 90% of it works together to counteract the negative. It is true that wealth doesn't get one to heaven (apparently there was a heavy thread called camel in Hebrew) because wisdom comes from doing deeds for others without expectations for oneself. The poor are so important in our lives because it is only through giving that we can see what to do to mitigate the negative of climate change. Could be that we go back to living in caves.

I love Australia!! To be fair we always knew what PUP wanted. However the prize for the most powerful Politician must go to the person who appears to have no interest in politics Tony Stanfield. If the Carbon tax is repealed it could ultimately be because Stanfield wants it repealed.

I agree. Clive Palmer is for Clive Palmer ! Meanwhile will accept any improvements to the current policies as an unexpected bonus !

Both are as crazy as each other and Al Gore also made money from his strange book without facts. Seniors let's write a book, doesn't matter how crazy it sounds, make your millions, and then wine and dine some fruitcakes from the ABC. whoops!!

australia has become the big loser but clive has become the big winner.

everyone has been shafted and al gore has had the wool pulled over his eyes and as such has shown his mental ablity to see through all this is absolutely zero.

tony gets rid of his hated carbon tax and you the mug punter will not get any money back at all from the electricity makers.

you have all been taken for a ride.

bye bye suckers.

Ummm......given the Carbon Tax is going and that the Emissions Trading Scheme probably won't eventuate, must admit to being pretty confused about Al Gore's face on the scene.....I mean unless I've missed something, can't see any gains environment wise.

......But who's to know what goes on in Clive's mind...possibly even thinking of making Al Gore the new face of big business....

Al Gore would have produced more carbon emissions attending this one trip, than most of us on this site, put together, would produce in a year!

I think that Clive palmer, while some of his kart members couldn't argue their cause out if a wet oater bag, has sme good alternatives ti the other twi main parties

I think that Clive palmer, while some of his kart members couldn't argue their cause out if a wet oater bag, has sme good alternatives ti the other twi main parties

In the end, we can only be sustainable on earth if we know the hazards that prevent it. If the CO2 content is increasing in the atmosphere, the sea is warming and the currents will change, the winds will change the temperatures will change and the climate has changed. Is humanity getting ready to managed the food change, drought, floods, and increasing sea level. Bit like being married. Its only sustainable when we kiss on the lips after the wedding, and not everyone is meant to be married. Taxes regimes were set up so two could live like one but now male and female want to be like one without being married, and then there are those who are like Eunuchs, some man made, some born that way that want to be married for the tax benefits as well. So there isn't just climate change to address to assure we as a human society become sustainable.

AT LAST some COMEDY in Canberra........this is going to be a laugh a minute now..thing is Clive is a great dancer and knows the quick step, the back step, the side step and the great waltz.....NOW we all have something to watch on tele

Look at Me ......Look at Meeee!
A highly successful comedy act.....hardly something that we need controlling our Government decision making.
Like Big Clive...he is humorous....but let's get real here....Clive is all about Clive......not anyone else!
Carbon Tax????....sound like the Research Fund.....Pie in the Sky!
Anything controlled by Wasteful Governments is in fact a waste!
Big Business owns all the Electricity & Gas in Oz after the big sell off!
Anyone who thinks the Government will stop them putting prices up is dreaming.....Carbon Tax subsidises alternative power.....so it subsidises opposition to Big Business. They will not allow such a thing!
Stop Voting for the Party Machines!

Good One Tony, I knew you could do it. Palmer is a mere distraction. All huff and puff. Just amusing himself. A disgusting appararion and should be on an ad for weight loss.

DogsBody - Good One Tony, I knew you could do it. then why are Liebril supporters getting this ask?
It’s time the Carbon Tax was scrapped.

The job-destroying Carbon Tax is a $9 billion hit on our economy this year alone.

Earlier this week, the Prime Minister reintroduced the Bill to repeal the Carbon Tax. It goes to the Senate in the coming weeks.

We need your support to make sure Australians know what’s at stake – and how we’re fighting to bring immediate relief to families and small business by removing the Carbon Tax.

Please click here to make a donation to help us in the fight to scrap the Carbon Tax.

The Carbon Tax affects all Australians. It is designed to make electricity and gas bills more expensive. But if the Carbon Tax is scrapped, prices for groceries, for household items and for services will fall.



Can you please chip in $10 or more to help us in this fight to scrap the Carbon Tax?

Or, you can donate another amount: http://www.LiberalParty.org.au/Donate

Thank you,

I havn't heard any pollie or political commentator whilst rabbiting on about how much we will save when the carbon tax is scrapped say that the increases the state gov'ts whacked on would also come off as well as the utility companies charges now that should be a lot more than five hundred bucks.

And the winner is Clive and the suckers are well take your pick, Tony , Bill , gee federal parliament could pass for clown town.

I dont give a monkey's in reality as long as the hated carbon tax goes because it has caused a lot of grief to people for no other reason than the UN's left wing agenda of OWG confirmed by Bob Brown,and on agenda is to tax the wealthy first world countries and have that tax sent on via the UN who will likely grab a bit for their troubles on the way through to the third world. So when they saw IPCC thought goody way to get this going. Because of course one day people will stop listening to people committed to changing the world, and realize that without CO2 they would not be living as couldn't breath for a start and would starve as the plants etc would cease to grow and the earth would become barren. Like the Moon. Heaps of research over the last 20 or so years, to show it is a false claim and the modelling has been manipulated to show what was required. Even the 52 original scientists said they didnt sign off on the report presented. it was altered. East Anglia emails showed this. But the left wont let it go. Too much money being made by banks companies from it.
Here is one old video from 2010 from a scientist which explains. the media is on the side mainly of the left so wont tell you the truth. It is 14 mins long but in first 3- 5 minutes enough from a qualified person to put it into plain language. Rather than spends literally weeks reading the thousands of articles on the internet. No wonder the left like our last Labor government wanted to filter what we can read. The truth is out there if we look and too many are now looking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=keDtanExdrc
So thanks Clive for doing the right thing here. Even if you still are not convinced and we still have to pay for this money grabbing glory seeking left wing Climate change Dept and money making renewable energy - we will get rid of it eventually as it just wont carry the base load but never mind has lifted power prices and onto all prices for all products by around 50%-76% or more some say.

Parliament ?.....THAT's ENTERTAINMENT..the show must go on..Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you; everything's coming up blackberry bushes, there ain't nuthin like a Clive nuthin in the world; on the shady side of the street; we're not in the money; and singing in the pain....

Clive had a cuppa tea with Tony, thing is did they save the tea bags for another meeting ? a cost saver

I do not think people understand what the carbon tax actually is! It is not literally in the name. It is about limiting emissions and constructing a course of action to address climate change. The saving of $500 will only be for a year but delaying action on climate change will affect generations to come. It is probably the only good thing in the budget that has any merit at all. This LNP government is very destructive.

People are deluded if they think there will be any lasting saving brought about by getting rid of the carbon tax. Remember when people did not believe the world was round?

I believe that there is at lot more t Clive Palmer that people believe. Yes he is a wealthy man, and as such he doesn't need t be in politics t be come someone,
I think I like his views

I received an email with the subject line 'Scrap it' from the Liberal Party. The nuts and bolts of the email, was a request for a donation for and to assist the Liberal Party in it's quest to scrap the carbon tax.
I would have loved to respond with the following:
I am offended by your request for a donation of any amount.
This arrived in my email box after your government cut the funds that allow people within the lower socio economic groups and/or mental capacity to make the necessary adjustments to their already miniscule living allowance and limited services!
The impudence of such a request offends me, when I see and hear the verbiage from our governments, Federal, State and Local, defending increased taxes and budgetary constraints making a mockery of the decency of a democratic system.
To view the so called educated people in Parliamentary sessions wasting time and the tax payers money with frivolous throw away phrases and childish role-plays at the opposition (whichever side you sit on) is to realise where our money is going.
Why do parliamentarians have the rights of a ‘wait person’ delivering water or whatever that fluid is, when the rest of us plan ahead and take along our own waterbag, thermos or drink bottle, to keep us hydrated? Such a waste of tax payer funds!
Why do parliamentarians expect the common courtesy and respect of the people, when we see them engaging in conversation, sleeping, mocking, reading and other displays of ignorant behaviours when someone is speaking to them? If you were in a classroom, your teacher would admonish you for these displays! You would expect to be disciplined far sooner by the ‘teacher’, when you failed to comply with the request for silence by the Speaker of the House!
Why should I scrimp and save if, where and when I can just to survive, when the already extremely well-heeled parliamentarians receive a pay rise?
Does it not serve to destroy our renowned positive Australian outlook, in the parliamentarians’ flippant displays mirroring sayings like ‘She’ll be right, mate!’ ‘You’ll get by!’ ‘Give it a go!’ when there in full view for all to see is a set of double standards on a daily basis. Independent wage tribunals setting politicians wage rises and then smugly claiming it is nothing to do with us, Mr and Mrs average would like the ability and power to set there up own tribunals for wage and pension rises etc.
As I said at the outset, I am offended that someone who is directing and using such social media political indoctrination, should forward the email below and expect the positive ‘financial’ response as you suggest below?! This is no better than being a hawker on the street!
And I quote:

'Can you please chip in $10 or more to help us in this fight to scrap the Carbon Tax?

Or, you can donate another amount: http://www.LiberalParty.org.au/Donate'

To suggest that ‘you can chip in $10 or donate another amount’, makes me foolishly presume that you might just appreciate the ‘value of the dollar’ to people on the street, where every dollar counts in the day to day expense of surviving on a pension.
Extremely disappointing, Mr.(name withheld)!
Were you seriously expecting to receive any of your suggested/nominated donations from the ‘poor’ people to whom you and others within your Party address your regular emails with such familiarity as by their Christian name only.
I hope that there within you and your cohorts there may be a small twinge of decency whereby you are even the slightest bit embarrassed by your email.
It is extremely frightening to be told not to send my reply above through my private email account, rather via the social commentary page!
This suggests that I do not have the ‘freedom of speech’ rights within my country of birth as those with ‘parliamentary privilege’, for fear of reprisal!
I am no longer a proudly positive Australian having role models such as these ‘leading’ our country!

Good idea to have people representing community and Australia business who are born here. The Aboriginals minimized carbon emissions and were sustainable in Australia for over 50,000 years so just possibly there are instincts to keep it sustainable for all. No skills needed in the leadership once community becomes self accountable, self responsible and self empowered around best practices / Holy Spirit. Everything works best when its run from the bottom and leaders have a skill of helping others to fill any gaps in competence. Cooperation needs to replace the culture of the Industrial Revolution, and the web provides the platform once there can be transparency.

I think when Al Gore said to his chief of staff "I only wanna meet the heavyweights in Arstralian politics" it must have lost something in translation.

Before you start vilifying Clive Palmer, just remember enough people voted for him and his candidates to hold the balance of power in the senate.

Who else would you vote for? The Tony Abbott ensemble of lying boof-heads, or the empty headed insanity of Bill Shorten.

Had enough of both of these shysters.

Well, Well!
Clive actually got something right eh!
No pint having any system that is going to handicap your country because no-one else has any such thing!
Yep! We'll trade with you if you also have an emissions scheme!
Yeah right! They will agree...do the deal...then revoke their scheme!
Is it only us Australian Politicians that are that dumb?....they are asking overseas!
Equal playing field in trading schemes.....no Industry Protection fees......for cheap cars from Countries with 10 time our Population and one tenth of our wage for their workers....I ask you....what equal playing field?
Even our own Australian Companies are manufacturing in China and importing into Oz...it's cheaper!
Not only that...they get 3 shifts 24 hours a day (for the price of 1 Aussie Shift) and can export to the World 3 times the product marked up 100% on production cost!
Copy cats....just like Nike....and others!
No OH&S issues in China...thongs and shorts...2 legs ..2 arms..can say Yes Yes Yes. No is not in their language.....why?......no Dole there is there?
Our Party Politicians are the best Paid Fraudsters not in Jail!
Will any of the Asian Countries ever have a Carbon Tax?
Sorry just checking to see if you are awake still?

If we were really the smarter generation....perhaps we would spend our time and energy in retirement finding better ways to escape the profit/greed of Big Companies (including Power and Gas) by finding and using as many alternatives as possible.
The backpackers do it....use solar power to marine batteries to charge phones & laptops on the road....why can't we?
Get rid of all the power burning appliance that we do not NEED!
Use the Barby more..... Build Solar Showers etc.......not for any other reason than we can.......we really can.....we have what they do not......TIME!