No carbon tax for Clive Palmer

Mr Palmer has announced that his party will support the repeal of the carbon tax.

No carbon tax for Clive Palmer

When the Senate changes over next Tuesday, the Palmer United Party (PUP) will become the largest voting bloc on the new micro-party cross bench. This, coupled with the PUP’s agreement with Victoria’s Motoring Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir, means that Clive Palmer’s voting announcements are not being taken lightly.

Mr Palmer yesterday told Australia that his party would support the repeal of the carbon tax, and he will be meeting with Prime Minister Tony Abbott this morning to discuss his stance – it will be their first meeting in two years.

Mr Palmer made his announcement yesterday while standing beside by former USA vice-president Al Gore. Mr Palmer explained that he would only support the abolition of the carbon tax if the legislation was revised to guarantee that lower prices would be passed onto consumers.

Instead of the carbon tax, Mr Palmer announced that his party would like to see an emissions trading scheme (ETS) put in place, similar to the one proposed when Labor was in power. He also said that the PUP would vote against the Coalition’s move to disband the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, the Renewable Energy Target (RET) and the Climate Change Authority.

"True to our promises to the Australian people at the last election, Palmer United senators will vote in the Senate to abolish the carbon tax," Mr Palmer said.

He also explained how he, a former climate change sceptic, had come around on the issue.

"Meeting with the vice-president, someone who is a world authority on that, was able to enlighten me on a number of aspects about climate change which I wasn't fully familiar with and the importance of it for all Australians," Mr Palmer said.

"There's no point listening to people if you're not prepared to change your view on certain things.”

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Opinion: Knight in shining armour

It seems strange that Mr Gore would lend his support to Mr Palmer as the PUP senator announced that his party would support the abolition of the carbon tax. Although Mr Palmer also discussed his hope that Australia could take part in an emissions trading scheme, the scheme would not come into effect until Australia's major trading partners also got on board, an event which could take years, if it happens at all.

While it is commendable and, as a consumer, appreciated, that he is pushing to pass any savings from the repeal of the carbon tax on to consumers, it seems unlikely that this will ever be fully realised. Big business is well known for its ability to turn a profit, and no matter how carefully worded the legislation, they will never pass on all the savings to the little guy.

What this essentially means is that we won’t have a price on carbon, we won’t have an emissions trading scheme, big business will make even more money and there will be no incentive to reduce carbon emissions. The only people who will benefit are those profiting from big business, and Clive Palmer himself, as their knight in shining armour.

While it was heartening to see a former climate sceptic change his opinion, something rarely witnessed in Australian politics, this whole issue begs the question: what is Clive Palmer’s real agenda?

What do you think? Is Clive Palmer the only sensible politician in parliament? Do you agree with his decisions? Or do you think he is playing everyone for a fool?





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    UNCLE FESTER
    26th Jun 2014
    10:41am
    Eventually people will come to realise that, for Clive, it is all about Palmer
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:24pm
    Palmer the Charmer ....
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    4:48pm
    We will all know when the senate changes over next week. Although Clive is sounding good I feel ill at ease that Clive is going to make some demands to suit his business model...money for himself. Lets wait and see.
    Radish
    27th Jun 2014
    8:13am
    Yes, it is all about Clive. Read this about the missing $12 million dollars allegedly spent on his electoral campaign but denied by him.
    This man has as many twists and turns as a snake.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/a-hint-for-dupes-follow-the-money/story-e6frg6zo-1226968229528
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:23am
    Whats a Shillings worth of Millions amongst Billionares ??
    minnie
    26th Jun 2014
    10:54am
    What's the name of his party - oh yes Clive Palmer United, all about Clive!
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    2:05pm
    Yes !! But He does cast a Big Shadow !!
    porthboy
    26th Jun 2014
    11:05am
    A back down is a back down even. We all (nearly all) know what Clive Palmer stands for. A Liberal sheep in PUPS clothing
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:18pm
    Tony will be Patting Him on the back next week for being a Good Pup !!!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:42pm
    A "Liberal sheep" who hates Abbott inc. He might not be all bad.
    Watto
    26th Jun 2014
    11:10am
    I fail to understand why anyone voted for him in the first place . He is very obviously a fraud and a buffoon. Now he has an ally in the American song and dance man called Gore .
    What a pair. Maybe if we don't feed them they will go away .
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:16pm
    What ?? We cant afford to Feed Them !! Looks like they are going away ??.
    First Tea will be served a 5.30pm .. Dunno what time Second Tea was ??
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:45pm
    Your alternative is what we now have: a deceitful, morally corrupt government owned by big business and there to do its bidding...and bugger everyone else. So you think Palmer is bad? Well lets wait and see what happens when the senate clicks over next week. At least Clive has so far backed the nation, not big business.
    Radish
    27th Jun 2014
    3:53pm
    I dont think either Palmer or Gore would suffer ill health if they did not eat for a week.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    4:05pm
    OOW !! What a frightful thought ? A Malnourished Whale !!
    EELS
    29th Jun 2014
    2:01pm
    Are you for real Mick? Clive Palmer is all about Clive Palmer. He has backed the Nation?!! A snake oil salesman who has taken many people for fools - they even voted for him.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    2:11pm
    The biggest fools have been the ALP, thinking that Clive would give Abbott a hard time. HA HA HA!!!
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    2:28pm
    He did give Tony a hard time !! He ate all the Breakfast before Tony could get His Greedy Paws on it !!!.. "WTF ???" He said !!
    Ny19
    26th Jun 2014
    11:27am
    Clive is certainly full of surprises. How did he get Al Gore to play puppy dog? I do think he is playing us all for fools.
    Abby
    26th Jun 2014
    11:45am
    Al Gore can be bought and money speaks all languages ?
    Adrianus
    26th Jun 2014
    1:47pm
    I think you may find his policy position is very close to Abbotts. Anyway I make it 38 unless someone crosses the floor. This time Rudd will be able to say with certainty it is gone.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:47pm
    So what is your take Robiconda? So far Clive has not put a foot wrong. We'll see if he is the real McCoy next week though when the senate clicks over.
    EELS
    1st Jul 2014
    3:58pm
    $200,000 will do it every time!
    Cassius
    26th Jun 2014
    11:40am
    Thank God we will be rid of the ridiculous Carbon Tax.
    Now we just need to torpedo the Paid Parental Leave scheme
    Watto
    26th Jun 2014
    11:44am
    Agree totally . Can't afford it ...don't need it .
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:12pm
    Shame on You 50 Grand isn't that much to pay for The New Arrival Childs Welfare for a few weeks !!...
    tiger
    26th Jun 2014
    12:19pm
    Rid of the carbon Tax, PPLS,$7 co-payment, leave the Pensioners alone. Not much left in the Horror Budget for poor Tony. Might have to swallow our pride and thank Clive.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:34pm
    I swallowed My Pride long ago !! I'm just breathing this Filthy Air that I'm paying for and haven't noticed yet ??.. But I have Cancelled My Beijing Visit !!...
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:51pm
    I find it interesting that some people just parrot the Abbott line. The Carbon Tax was not wanted by the coal industry and that is why it is "bad". Come on guys. Learn to think for yourselves so that you are able to make a call rather than be a parrot.
    The truth is that the Carbon Tax was in fact working. The electricity generators were all seriously concerned as renewables were indeed starting to bite. There was no disadvantage with our offshore competitors and even if there were Australia could have levied a levy on countries which used dirty energy. So lets not be tools of a deceitful government intent on making the rich much richer and the poor serfs.
    FrankC
    27th Jun 2014
    2:07pm
    Agree on removing the paid P L scheme. I worked in a public hospital in Westerrn Sydney, and to have staff member off got one year on half pay is bloody ridiculous, and this is as far back as 2000. Alternative was 6 months on full pay -- government employees only.!! Crazy.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    2:41pm
    Frank.. I think Tony wants all the Pensioner to go off on Half Pay for One Year ??
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    3:35pm
    I worked with 3 women and 2 of them went off at the same time. The 2 of us had to do their work while they were away, then they both took an extension for another 3 months. We were rooted. After that they decided they wouldn't come back to work because they enjoyed motherhood too much. Who could blame them it's one of life's greatest joys. I've never been so exhausted when I look back. Anyway we were happy for them to leave so we could finally employ 2 new staff to help us.
    wally
    26th Jun 2014
    11:44am
    If Clive Palmer is playing anyone for a fool, it would have to be Al Gore as first cab off the rank. Maybe Al was suffering from jet lag, or maybe Clive's Aussie accent confused him. Not only do we have Al Gore to thank for accelerating the great global warming hoax, we can also thank him for helping to put George W Bush into the US presidency. I shudder to think what he will do to round off his hat trick. I am also wondering what will come out of Thursday's breakfast meeting between Clive and Tony Abbott.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:05pm
    Pork Belly Futures, I suggest ??
    Radish
    27th Jun 2014
    8:19am
    After doing a bit of research on Al Gore I have come to the opinon that he is a fraud and he and Clive have a great deal in common....both in it for themselves.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:27am
    You had the Gal to Study Gore ?? Your time is not Precious I take it ??..
    Tom Tank
    26th Jun 2014
    11:59am
    Never underestimate the power of self-interest. Clive is worth keeping a close eye on but if he lives up to some of his statements we are in for an interesting time in politics.
    He has certainly pulled one out of the hat with the Carbon Tax demand. Tony will be able to meet his promise but not the way he wanted to and it appears he will have to back down on other stated intentions.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:53pm
    My bet is that Abbott will be so desperate to produce results for his big business bosses that he will do a deal with Clive. I hope that I have this wrong but only time will tell.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:06pm
    Stop making fun of this Gaseous Matter !!!
    Ny19
    26th Jun 2014
    12:14pm
    The Carbon Pricing Scheme is about to become an ETS anyway in this year or next. So why is Clive prepared to get rid of it and at the same time promise to give us one, on HIS terms, some unknown time in the future? Doesn't make sense! It is a devious ploy to try to make everyone happy. I don't understand why Al Gore is supporting this ploy.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2014
    5:56pm
    You are not reporting the facts Robiconda. From what I understand the Carbon Tax as it currently stands has an ETS built into it. Palmer could leave it in place but wants an entirely new model. One has to wonder why.
    Palmer stated last night that any price on carbon would "be tied into what our trading partners are doing". A bit like price matching. Smart.
    Kopernicus
    27th Jun 2014
    9:27am
    Smart but devious? He's such a very recent 'convert', whose fortune is based a high emission industry and whose 'solution' is based on some distant hypothetical and complex set of events. Smoke and mirrors.
    Clive will have to reveal the real Clive soon, methinks. I wonder if it's much closer to Abbott than he's let on.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    10:20am
    Not another Comment about Uranus and the Sun !
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    3:32pm
    He is making sure the ETS built in is gone and replaced with a new one that has a zero to start off charging and wont kick in until such time as the rest of the industrial world is also on board. This is a good thing as it will never come to fruition.
    Seeing as it has at long last started to kick in even into the the minds of even the laziest of people, that it has not warmed for 17 years and 10 months now and wont as we are in a cooling period.
    Radish
    3rd Jul 2014
    1:41pm
    I think most of us on this site will be pushing up daisies before all other big polluters come on board re an ETS...doubt I will see an ETS in my liftime.
    Learning-Life
    26th Jun 2014
    12:25pm
    The talents of Al Gore were sufficient to alert the world of climate change. The only thing Al Gore missed was that the relationship of sea water temperature and CO2 solubility. Climate change is here to stay and if society doesn't become alert to the importance of humanity to respect nature, then it will be sad as to what happens to society. Clive Palmer is recognizing Al Gore is on to something relative to humans being sustainable. Yes Clive wants to be King but without community he would not be king of much. Setting up a carbon emissions trade process that is intrinsically motivating to empower people to be sustainable by having the smallest carbon footprints possible through best practices and cleverness. Possibly Clive Palmer is clever because the human spirit is striving to be sustainable thanks to the discoveries of Al Gore.
    adbob
    26th Jun 2014
    1:06pm
    Funny that the "settled science" from the "experts" didn't include seawater temperature before - that's only been cooked up since the ludicrous hockey stick graph was shown to be wrong and the climategate emails showed that the computer models were intentionally rigged to "hide the decline'" in global temperatures. But then (ask any schoolteacher or copper) - you can always pick liars by the way their story keeps changing.

    "Climate change is here to stay" - well at least you've got that right - the current warming phase has been going on for about 500 years and is likely to peak in about 200 years time, after which cooling will set in - that will be a much bigger problem. That's what real climatologists where saying before the hippies and charlatans leapt in and made a religion (and a financial scam) out of the subject.

    There is such a thing as the "greenhouse effect" due to CO2 but it's tiny - there's a separate issue about other effects of CO2 and energy supply generally as finite resource get used up - but that can't be discussed intelligently without the warmists leaping in with their usual repetitive ranting.

    A lot of it is done with pejorative use of language - spin - eg why were the climategate emails described as stolen? Why not just leaked? That's the normal term. The original owners haven't lost them - they've still (to their great embarrassment) got them.
    Adrianus
    26th Jun 2014
    6:33pm
    I don't know a lot about the science. However, I do know if you put 2 glasses of water in your freezer if one has plenty of salt in it, it will take a lot longer to freeze. Why do I say this? Because our biggest problem is salinity in the polar and sub polar regions..
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    6:54pm
    Frank..Do You think we should put Signs up telling the Penguins to Stop Peeing There ??
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    7:20am
    If it will help yes. And to police the area we should transfer all the rangers who are hunting for foxes in Tasmania.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    9:02am
    All Ships Carrying SAXA Salt will now be Detoured around the Equator !!
    Radish
    3rd Jul 2014
    1:43pm
    Al Gore has a lot to gain financially from all of this. Don't people realise that?
    Adrianus
    3rd Jul 2014
    2:19pm
    Yes Radish, most of us know that! However, I'm not sure Bill and Christine are aware yet. Do you think somebody should tell them? Ha Ha, Christine thinks she is going to get a good slice of that $10B Green fund, but Big Al has his eye on it too.
    Patriot
    26th Jun 2014
    12:40pm
    Whilst I am not a religious "Entity", I believe that the following quote from the BOOK has much wisdom:"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven". I would modify it as follows:"It is much easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a Multi-Billionaire to NOT BENEFIT his/her own business but, instead, implement actions which ensure that "Precious Dollars" are "Slipping Away" in order to remain for his poor slaves to be spend on items quite frivolous to him/her".
    In other words: "Once you have your first Billion dollars in the bank, it is just about impossible to net get/remain greedy!"
    I think I can safely say that such applies to just about ALL OF US.
    I don't believe Clive is the exception to this rule!
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    12:58pm
    That should take off if I had the Education to read the Parable ??..
    PS..???
    adbob
    26th Jun 2014
    1:45pm
    I don't agree with that - at least not as an immutable rule.

    Bill Gates stopped when he had made his fortune and now spends his time giving it away - not just idly courting gratitude, but taking a hands-on approach to getting things done.

    But you could certainly say that, according to the legal maxim, that's the exception that proves the rule.
    Patriot
    26th Jun 2014
    5:08pm
    Adbob, you're right of course! Demanding it to be a 100% true statement MAY not be correct!
    As for Bill Microsoft Gates.
    I would do some further investigation into his motives as it is perceived by others (who have a lot closer association with his direct actions & their results) that these might not be quite so noble.
    Vaccines are full of Timerosal (mercury) and many other substances that are alien (and therefore highly toxic) to the human body. For more info, look at the following link: http://www.naturalnews.com/011764_thimerosal_mercury.html.

    I believe that Gates is attempting to adhere to the 10 Commandments that are engraved in the Geaogia Stones. Link: http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm.
    The words inscribed in these are very noble to strive for. Unfortunately, many believe that Gates (& other psychopaths) are attempting to reach the goals as inscribed in these stones in their lifetime.
    When attempting to achieve this it makes the very noble goals into plain murder and genocide!
    Although I'm getting "Old & Cranky", I'm certainly not volunteering to be in the 90% of this planet's inhabitants that is willing to be "Put Down".
    Just to annoy them, I'm going to put up a hell of a fight to hang around for as long as I can!
    Patriot
    26th Jun 2014
    5:21pm
    To finally state it very blatantly: "Once a dog has been cocking his leg to have a pee for a long time it becomes impossible to make him squat".
    That goes for Bill as well as for Clive.
    Patriot
    26th Jun 2014
    5:42pm
    Sure gates is giving his wealth away in order to become a Poor Person so that he can understand what this experience Feels Like.
    The following link (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efik45eklkh/bill-gates-3/) suggests that his wealth increased from $67 billion to a mere $73 billion.
    He is certainly giving his wealth away!!!
    Tom Tank
    26th Jun 2014
    10:27pm
    The statement by Patriot that vaccines are full of Timerosal (Mercury) is actually quite misleading. Some vaccines do contain low levels of Timerosal and the mercury contained in this is ethyl-mercury which all studies and evidence gathered indicates it is not a risk to health.
    To be safe no vaccines used for young children contain Timerosal even altho' there is no evidence of these vaccines causing any health issues whatsoever. The only indication in children is a slight reddening of the skin at the site of the vaccination.
    It should be recognised that there are in fact two varieties of mercury, the other being methyl-mercury and that is quite different, with regard to potential health issues, than ethyl-mercury.
    Should anyone be concerned about the effects on their health in having a vaccination then they should stop eating fish immediately as that has a higher level of mercury than any vaccine.
    just to put the record straight and by all means do research this topic thoroughly using reputable medical sources as well as the so-called Natural Health journals with their pseudo science.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    6:51am
    I agree with you Tom. Pseudo Science is a big industry.
    Patriot
    27th Jun 2014
    7:06am
    Big Pharma suggests that there is no money to be made from a population which is healthy!
    In ancient China, a doctor was NOT PAID when the community became sick and he was paid when the community was healthy!
    Let's try that in the world today!
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    7:25am
    We also tax people when they go to work. The harder they work the harder we tax them. Some of them are beginning to get the message.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:04am
    Yes ! Now cut the Cackle and get back to work !! The Coffers are Empty !!.
    Cigars aren't Cheap You know !
    squirrel
    26th Jun 2014
    12:53pm
    Takes very little to win the big mans mind.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:02pm
    You will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven with a Big Belly and a Load on Your Mind !!
    Young Simmo
    26th Jun 2014
    12:58pm
    For my money this whole Carbon Emission / Earth Degradation thing is a whole lot of crap.
    They say the world (Mother Earth), has been in existence for 4,500 million years.
    If that is even close to the truth, the modern atmospheric alterations have probably occurred 1,000 times in the past and everything will be back to normal in another 1,000 or so years. Don't bother calling me then to tell me I was wrong, as I will be on another planet.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:12pm
    YS.. I just heard Bang Bang got the Bill for that Filthy Polluting Volcano that just went Ape !! 50 Trillion Dollars worth ,all that Carbon Monoxide and Powdered Glass in the Atmosphere Cost Him dearly !! But He is looking for a way to Poke it all back into the Volcano !! He's talking with Vulcan and Hoover at the Moment !!
    Supernan
    26th Jun 2014
    3:58pm
    You are correct the atmosphere has changed before. But it happened before man existed, caused massive extinctions of species, cataclysmic volcanoes, floods, and man would not have survived. It also happened much more slowly than todays changes.
    Nevagiveup
    26th Jun 2014
    11:19pm
    Spot on Young Simmo, finally some body can see the wood amongst the trees.
    I also think that a few nut cases are stirring the pot because they are not smart enough to look at all the possibilities. Also If the Human Population can do that much damage in less than 200 years, and nothing happened during the previous
    4,499 Million years, the mind boggles. I don't have any solar panels, because I wont live long enough to get a cent back from the initial installation of the things. This world is full of SUCKERS.
    Tom Tank
    27th Jun 2014
    8:42am
    Our climate is constantly changing and this is something the "Global warming" industry ignored.
    The engine of our climate is the Sun and how often has reference been made to solar activity by the so called experts.
    By all means minimise the damage to our environment and climate caused by humans, and we certainly have caused damage, but lets be sensible and properly identify cause and effect.
    Please don't let us have a scheme that will see a value but on emissions that can be bought and sold allowing profits to be made.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:50am
    The Biggies are running out of Rip Offs !!
    Sol said Thank You for the Recognition !!
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    9:14am
    Correct, as the Sun moves closer to Uranus expect things to get hot. The Sun has a limited life expectancy we should be looking for a way to out live it!!!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    9:58am
    Yes when the Sun Starts to Shine from Uranus we are in big Trouble !!
    I'm glad they cant Mine it and Ship it Back to China !!
    But settle down Frank,it should last for a Billion more years or so, give and take a week or two ??
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    3:50pm
    Take your time packing. I think it could be 5 Billion years?
    Learning-Life
    4th Jul 2014
    6:23am
    Nice comment: "the modern atmospheric alterations have probably occurred 1,000 times in the past and everything will be back to normal in another 1,000 or so years". What might be missing now however are trees. Trillions of trees are no longer allowed to live. Forest fires, strip logging farming all take away from creating oxygen for example. And if you look around the world, or ride the trains parallel with the Mitchell and Kwinana freeway, you will see 1000's of carbon emitting beasts with one person in the vehicle, and this is duplicated in 1000's of cities around the world. There is no choice, with the present mentality of humans they will end up the same as a dinosaur.
    Learning-Life
    4th Jul 2014
    6:29am
    If one were to do a survey of the importance of water an oxygen to life on earth with public under 40 years of age, how many would even know why there is such a question. Both are given free. In California there is surplus water because there was a value put on it. The opportunity with the Carbon Emission trading is to put a value on oxygen and to add a fee for every liter of water and gasoline consumed. The end result would be lower consumption and waste and a fund for handling climate change / natural disasters.
    Adrianus
    4th Jul 2014
    6:51am
    Learning, not sure if you're aware but many Australians have been paying for water by the litre since councils privatised the distribution of that valuable resource.
    Learning-Life
    5th Jul 2014
    6:46am
    So Frank, do we have an evaluation on how water is respected by youth in each regions based on how water is valued. Are there habits evolving that hates waste or are they just because of economic budgeting.

    Could this be an opportunity to assess the need for having an intrinsically motivating value for air through a carbon emissions market.
    Adrianus
    5th Jul 2014
    8:29am
    If you want the youth to respect the value of anything, why make us old folk pay?
    particolor
    5th Jul 2014
    9:54am
    Because we have More Experience at paying, Frank !! Been doing it all our lives !!
    Adrianus
    5th Jul 2014
    10:16am
    Revenge!!! Very few of us older folk vote for the Labor/Greens/Independents Government. Young people do. Policies are designed to either attract votes or attack those groups that WD40 wont shift.
    particolor
    5th Jul 2014
    10:25am
    Just pay your Carbon Tax !! Or no more Carbon for You !!!
    Adrianus
    5th Jul 2014
    11:14am
    Many people in QLD must have felt guilty after being hit with a flood tax. They no longer pray for rain.
    particolor
    5th Jul 2014
    11:33am
    Yes sad that !! They just make do with what they Haven't got !!..
    Anna...

    26th Jun 2014
    1:02pm
    So Tony Abbott gets rid of the carbon tax , as labor promised to do at the last election , Rudd said this will save the consumers 350 dllrs a year , now increased to 550 . Well done Tony...
    I have already seen where my supplier AGL will backdate the carbon tax impost to July 1 .
    Tony as well is saying that pensioners will keep their Carbon Tax compensation
    btony
    26th Jun 2014
    1:12pm
    and AGL are putting up their tariffs from July 1st ,fancy that.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2014
    1:16pm
    No they informed us all of the new price as the carbon tax rose on July 1 ...
    Now if it is repealed they will back date the carbon tax impost to July 1 .as they will not have to pay it and pass it on to you..
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:20pm
    Please do Not use our Product to End It All !!
    btony
    26th Jun 2014
    2:06pm
    We must have different letters Pete. My opening line is :
    "we're writing to notify you that your AGL electricity rates will increase from 1 July 2014."
    No mention of the carbon tax there
    and a bit further on,
    "These rate changes do not take into account the Federal Government's proposal to remove the carbon tax. Should the legislation removing the carbon tax be passed,we will communicate to you the applicable reductions to your energy rates'.
    Nothing at all anywhere on the document re backdating the carbon tax to 1.7.2014.
    Whats the bet the increase will miraculously equal the carbon tax rebate?
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2014
    2:17pm
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/agl-ready-to-cut-carbon-impost-from-customer-bills/story-e6frg8zx-1226964261400?nk=940fc338d46b78b2137d363c505cb880
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    2:31pm
    Yep !! What's the Bet ?...Or the Availability WTF ??... will Rise !!
    btony
    26th Jun 2014
    2:54pm
    you almost had me there Pete, till I saw The Australian in the url, I didn't bother with it, time will tell who's right
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    3:48pm
    @btony why is that then - because you tend to favour the left ? Dont forget The Aussie backed Rudd in 2007 - short sighted to not read because it isnt in favour with the hymn book of the day - you know those daily this is what we say to the punters for Labor MPs and Senators. Learn it by heart and they do dear little souls. Can imagine .......works though they faithfully repeat it at door stops. Actually it is the Fairfax press who are one eyed along with the ABC of course. We need to read and evaluate all motives. Best qualifier is follow the money trail -
    ie pro bono- who benefits.
    bookwyrm
    28th Jun 2014
    2:20am
    I got the same AGL letter as btony. And other newspapers say we won‘t get the price cut tony promised.
    Adrianus
    4th Jul 2014
    7:07am
    How many people will forget to deduct the donation to the Flying Doctor in their tax return?

    26th Jun 2014
    1:08pm
    There must be a billionaires club for idiots..How else do you explain Gore trying to read a prepared speech supporting something he is against ..
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:18pm
    That sort of talk wont get You anywhere !!..
    But here is a $10 Donation to the Tired Cats Fund !!
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2014
    9:47am
    AH a cat person..... my cat Rega passed away but you can see pics of him... just search REGA CAT PHOTOS and you'll find the link

    26th Jun 2014
    1:12pm
    Palmer has voted down the only CO2 policy that effects him financially . He has left in place those that effect the rest of us financialy.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2014
    1:29pm
    A nickel refinery owned by Clive Palmer has released toxic wastewater into the Great Barrier Reef marine park on several occasions despite being forbidden from doing so, government documents have revealed.
    Palmer is now against direct action , so they have no policy.
    But wants the rest of us to keep paying for RET which is direct action . And to keep investing billions into renewable projects which is direct action .
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    10:25am
    They are looking into Plugging His Nickel Factory !!
    KSS
    26th Jun 2014
    1:21pm
    Mr Gore is an EX Vice President. He has been an EX Vice President for longer than he held the position. Mr Palmer has no 'noddies' (those people who stand behind you and nod appropriately during announcements) of his own until next week and needed someone to make him look important. Why is Mr Gore meddling in Australia's political agenda? Of course he will go to the opening of an envelope, but how can he hope to be taken seriously by being a noddie for Mr Palmer? Mr Gore must be some sort of negotiator if 'having a talk' with Mr Palmer caused Mr Palmer to change his views. I applaud those who over time reconsider previously held opinions and with perhaps more thought and maturity change their views. I have to wonder what is in this for Mr Gore?

    But has Mr Palmer really changed his views or is it a matter of financial expediency? He has not inconsiderable holdings in coal (and hoping to build the world's largest coal mine), iron ore and gas. Is he trading these in to invest in renewable energy sources instead? I don't know but I doubt it. Given that his reported wealth this year is likely to be some $1billion less than last year - still over $1 billion - it is more likely that he sees a financial advantage to his own business interests than to those of Australia or the world.

    I think he is right on one thing though. That unless the rest of the world is prepared to take action, nothing Australia does will have much if any affect on world climate. Having said that I would like to see the Building Code of Australia changed to enforce the installation of both water storage tanks and solar panels on all new buildings and developments together with any building/residence undergoing significant renovation. This would at least help to conserve some of Australia's resources for the future. And stop exporting so much whilst leaving Australian's to pay more for using less.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:38pm
    Too Late KSS.. We have signed all Your Gas and Coal away on Contracts to China and Elsewhere !!.. I read where NSW had enough Gas to last for 200 Years ?? But its Gone now and only 10 Years left ?? So you can cough up 3 times more domestically now to Cook Your Din Dins and have a Tub !! ..
    Blossom
    26th Jun 2014
    1:30pm
    What is the tax going to be spent on? Inventing solar panels that don't get smashed in stormy weather ? Find somewhere to put windfarms where nobody can hear the whirrr of the blades swinging around....and find the money to do maintenance on them. Whoever is brave enough to go to the top them when the time comes deserves a medal and good danger bonus in their salary.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:51pm
    And picking up Chopped up Seagulls is starting to Pee Me Off !!
    Young Simmo
    26th Jun 2014
    1:31pm
    OK, I know this is a change of subject, and belt me if it makes you feel better. BUT, following is an e-mail I just received, which is probably a good interpretation of the word POLITICIAN.

    Australia posts gives $2,000,000 to muslim museum then sacks 900 workers and plans to reduce mail deliveries to 3 days a week.
    Australia Post chief executive Ahmed Fahour is patron of the Islamic Museum of Australia.
    AUSTRALIA Post donated more than $2 million to an ­Islamic museum.
    The donation was made months ago, but has only emerged now, when Australia Post is sacking 900 staff to stem the losses at its domestic mail division.
    The donation - expected to be declared in Australia Post’s financial report later this year - raised eyebrows within the organisation,
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:44pm
    I hope this Post does not Offend anyone ???
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2014
    2:09pm
    It was Mr Fahours money ..
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    2:21pm
    Which He received as a Bonus for Completing a Full Year as CE and Not losing a Single Letter !!..Heaps of Bundles of Letters went Missing ?? But Not that Single One !!
    adbob
    26th Jun 2014
    1:41pm
    The likelihood is that Palmer has literally been bought off.

    Of course Gore himself had one of these epiphanies.

    During his 7 years in office as US vice-president - the period when he had real and direct power and influence - he didn't show any interest in this subject. But politics cost him dear. When he quite, after his failed presidential campaign, he was down to his last 2 million.

    Since then he has worked his fortune up to > 100 million by making a lucrative career out of public speaking etc to the AGW lobby, who have an insatiable thirst for listening to him.

    This may seem strange when his first major foray into this area was to make a movie in which he stood on a step-ladder to show how the temperature curve on the now-discredited hockey-stick graph shot up to near-vertical on a forecast of what would happen if we did nothing - ie if we (as a global community) continued to emit CO2 at the then-prevailing rate.

    That may have seemed scary at the time. Even if it only had a slim chance of coming true it was surely crazy to take that risk.

    What has happened since then is that despite the many enviro-junkets pleading for CO2 emissions to be reduced - the world rate of CO2 emissions has actually rocketed - this due to rapid industrialisation in the developing world , China obviously being the main example.

    But during that time global temperatures have remained constant. Hence, by any normal scientific rationale, the greenhouse gas theory has been disproven.

    The warmists are now belly-aching about sea-temperatures. That's their latest lie. Ice cover at the pole is being brought up again now that it is at a low in its natural cycle. Those with a good memory may remember that this was given as a reason last time it hit a low. Then a few later it reached a high and we didn't hear about it.

    Last summer here in South Australia was extraordinarily mild - so we didn't hear the usual bleating about that. The usual heatwaves just didn't happen. There was one hot day which were told (probably fudged data) peaked at 45C - naturally that was down to global warming - there was major a bushfire near here in May - the volunteers turned out in force but the CFS top brass (one of them on annual leave) failed to have air support available despite its being in the shoulder of the fire season which has frequently been extended into that period in the past (ie before the warming). Never mind - put out some spin about global warming - they'll suck that up - and they did.

    Coming back to Palmer-Gore. Gore is heavily invested in ETS intruments which are currently trading at aridiculously low price. If the price rises (and he spends most of his time talking it up) he will become a billionaire again.

    Palmer's fortune too has been in decline as resource prices have fallen. If Palmer buys into ETS at current prices he's on an each-way bet. If the ETS system takes off and the prices rise he'll make personal fortune - if it doesn't he'll have made a small political coup by using a pseudo-green trade-off to get rid of the carbon tax.

    The two don't balance and I think the former is his main interest.

    In doing what he's done he's shown himself to be without principle. Politics is partly about changing people's minds. Abbott was previously a "climate skeptic" - he said so himself to his own people but also conceded that it was aproblem for his party as 80% of people have fallend for the AGW scam spin - so he (the plain-speaking guy) "changed his mind" at the behest of his own party's spin doctors.

    Palmer was supposed to be the hard-headed independent with a business background telling it as it is and free from the pressure goup lobbying that infects both main parties. He's now sold out to the worst form of that same thing -so as an independent he is worthless.

    There are other independents, with whom I may not always agree, but I respect the genuineness of their positions. Initially I wondered whether Palmer was such a one and was being demonised and made out to be a nutter because he posed a genuine threat to the 2-party carve-up.

    I see now that that was not the case. I wonder how the other senators on his ticket feel now.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    1:58pm
    And after writing all that ! I am now too tired to eat My Dinner !! Would anyone like a Chop, Mashed Potatoes and Peas ??
    Star Trekker
    26th Jun 2014
    6:07pm
    particolor - you can afford a chop???
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    7:16pm
    Star Trecker..No defiantly Not !! That was just a continuation of the long letter above !!.. I'll leave the Chops for that Bozo Kekka Something on the Television Add telling us to eat More Australian Lamb ?? Who is He trying to Kid ?? at $24.00 a kg .. He can have My share !! With Mint Sauce !! We saw Rump Steak down in Coles Yesterday and All laughed ! 9 Bucks a slice ?? we thought we were in Dubai !!
    Star Trekker
    26th Jun 2014
    8:39pm
    I'm lucky my son is a butcher and gets discounts. But even then the cost of some cuts in the bush are the same price as a block of land :P
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    8:47pm
    I liked that Starry !!!.. Its wonder the Local Council doesn't send you a letter for Plate Rates if You Buy a Steak !!
    carmencita
    26th Jun 2014
    1:54pm
    It's good to see someone in the Parliament who is not pro-major parties to break the monopoly or duopoly on important issues.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    2:03pm
    Important issues will be discussed in the next 3 Years of Parliament after the Next Election !!
    MITZY
    27th Jun 2014
    7:05pm
    I'm not so sure about that Carmencita. Me thinks that person is most definitely a Lib in disguise, and seeing as he is down to his last $1 Billion abolishing the carbon tax he will now be able to spend his savings on finishing that "Titanic" .... I wonder what happened to it, haven't heard much about obscene Titanic for quite some time.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    7:20pm
    It hit an Ice Cream in the Harbour !!
    Polly Esther
    26th Jun 2014
    2:52pm
    This is a man who possesses an extra heavy bank balance and I believe a bored attitude to life. He needed a distraction, something to pass the time, a hobby to amuse himself with and guess what?, lo and behold his obscene wealth bought him a ticket into politics. What a hobby. My only wish is that the "naïve" who voted him into the 'power without glory' position he now holds ( giggle, I'll see how high I can make you all jump) would be the only ones to suffer the consequences of their lack of wisdom.
    Young Simmo
    26th Jun 2014
    2:55pm
    My Nanna you to say jealousy is a curse, I sense a little bit of jealousy here.
    Get your left wing up Doc, you are going in circles.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    3:02pm
    Please write more Slowerer next time Doc as I carnt read fast !!..
    Someone just handed Me a Power Bill from not all that long back !!..
    $189 and 18 dollars of it was Service to Property, as Availability was called then. WHAT HAPPENED ??...
    Did some Clever Alchemist come up with a way to turn Coal into Gold ??
    Learning-Life
    26th Jun 2014
    3:04pm
    Note folks, there is evidence from ice cores that show temperature Vs Carbon Dioxide over past 400,000 years. So the phenomena of sea water temperature change and CO2 in the atmosphere is well documented. What seems to be missed in Clive Palmer's world is that 80% of human wealth comes from nature and there are times when nature brings hell to the community so some of the wealth from nature will be needed combat nature. Why should 1% of the population hold the wealth while 90% of it works together to counteract the negative. It is true that wealth doesn't get one to heaven (apparently there was a heavy thread called camel in Hebrew) because wisdom comes from doing deeds for others without expectations for oneself. The poor are so important in our lives because it is only through giving that we can see what to do to mitigate the negative of climate change. Could be that we go back to living in caves.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    3:19pm
    Yes! I've seen that and Most of it was caused by Icelandic, Russian, American and Indonesian Super Volcanoes !!....
    Now those who spent their time in a Cave last night do not have to Comment about it here !!
    Adrianus
    26th Jun 2014
    3:41pm
    I love Australia!! To be fair we always knew what PUP wanted. However the prize for the most powerful Politician must go to the person who appears to have no interest in politics Tony Stanfield. If the Carbon tax is repealed it could ultimately be because Stanfield wants it repealed.
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    2:03pm
    One day people will realize that if Kevin Rudd hadn't been taken out for his mining tax there wouild now be a much more rational community thinking process. The one side of thinking is dominating and without compromise where commercial risk managers for profit are only 1/3 of the decision process, with Government protecting rights of people and earth and then there are the NGO's like www.sen.asn.au to assure sustainable community decisions are made.

    Now Australia has a lot of catch up to do, and guess who is going to get to pay that bill.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    2:51pm
    L L.. Uncle Scrooge I hope ??
    Supernan
    26th Jun 2014
    4:00pm
    I agree. Clive Palmer is for Clive Palmer ! Meanwhile will accept any improvements to the current policies as an unexpected bonus !
    particolor
    26th Jun 2014
    5:27pm
    Yes they may drop the Co Payment to GP's to $6.99
    lauren
    26th Jun 2014
    4:04pm
    Both are as crazy as each other and Al Gore also made money from his strange book without facts. Seniors let's write a book, doesn't matter how crazy it sounds, make your millions, and then wine and dine some fruitcakes from the ABC. whoops!!
    doggone
    26th Jun 2014
    11:00pm
    australia has become the big loser but clive has become the big winner.

    everyone has been shafted and al gore has had the wool pulled over his eyes and as such has shown his mental ablity to see through all this is absolutely zero.

    tony gets rid of his hated carbon tax and you the mug punter will not get any money back at all from the electricity makers.

    you have all been taken for a ride.

    bye bye suckers.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:20am
    All that Carbon and no Potatoes !! COUGH ! COUGH !!

    27th Jun 2014
    5:57am
    Ummm......given the Carbon Tax is going and that the Emissions Trading Scheme probably won't eventuate, must admit to being pretty confused about Al Gore's face on the scene.....I mean unless I've missed something, can't see any gains environment wise.

    ......But who's to know what goes on in Clive's mind...possibly even thinking of making Al Gore the new face of big business....
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    6:23am
    Big Al may just have a plan for a good slice of that $10b. If that's the case, well his visit was a success.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    7:52am
    There's no such thing as a Free Yankee...
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Jun 2014
    8:11am
    Al Gore would have produced more carbon emissions attending this one trip, than most of us on this site, put together, would produce in a year!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:17am
    From Emission Control ...
    After perusing the Methane Meter, We have to Agree...
    Learning-Life
    29th Jun 2014
    9:31am
    I don't know the details but my thoughts are that Al Gore would fly on a commercial flight from US to Australia. If that is the case then his foot print would be the same as if he had stayed home because the flight was coming anyway. Assuming he was first class, his foot print may be smaller because of the price he had to pay for the ticket.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    2:17pm
    I never knew that ?? I'll put that on My Science Blog Site ! People Flying First Class Make Aeroplanes use less fuel !..Cant wait for the Replies !!
    Dukki
    27th Jun 2014
    8:29am
    I think that Clive palmer, while some of his kart members couldn't argue their cause out if a wet oater bag, has sme good alternatives ti the other twi main parties
    Dukki
    27th Jun 2014
    8:30am
    I think that Clive palmer, while some of his kart members couldn't argue their cause out if a wet oater bag, has sme good alternatives ti the other twi main parties
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:35am
    And just in case You are Hard of Hearing I said it Twice !!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    8:38am
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    Quakers Oats on Special at Coles......
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    9:48am
    In the end, we can only be sustainable on earth if we know the hazards that prevent it. If the CO2 content is increasing in the atmosphere, the sea is warming and the currents will change, the winds will change the temperatures will change and the climate has changed. Is humanity getting ready to managed the food change, drought, floods, and increasing sea level. Bit like being married. Its only sustainable when we kiss on the lips after the wedding, and not everyone is meant to be married. Taxes regimes were set up so two could live like one but now male and female want to be like one without being married, and then there are those who are like Eunuchs, some man made, some born that way that want to be married for the tax benefits as well. So there isn't just climate change to address to assure we as a human society become sustainable.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    10:13am
    Is there a law against Grey Marriage Yet ??..
    The link between Carbon Dioxide and Eunuchs eludes Me ?? But We will have the team work on it ! We have made a start, since the Currants changed, we are putting Sultanas in the Current Buns now !!..
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    10:48am
    My thoughts are that there is a need to focus on how we can live on earth being sustainable. Nature has a character with the human character being the most intelligent. Over the past 6000 years its had an understanding of its own human spirit. The metrics of CO2 in the atmosphere is like the CARE factor that assures the human spirit is alert to hazards that make it unsustainable . A CO2 emissions footprint will give the human mind (5 genders) an alertness to the quality of its behaviour respecting nature and life around them. Note Living by Law was finished with the resurrection of Jesus on the Cross. Humans are now free to live in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sustainability is about best practices. It doesn't mean there can't be weeds in the field.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    11:55am
    particolor-- I think Eunuchs need more oxygen so Carbon Dioxide could affect their performance. You know, Charlies your aunt. What a mixed up lot, and I don't know what I will do if they ban grey marriage. Probably look for a fuzzy wuzzie. As long as they stop the hormones going into those chooks. See some ladies with fuzz on their fizzog.
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    1:04pm
    Great thoughts Dogs Body. Life today is like that. Consider the Valley of Death each of has to deal with as we become adults, whether man, woman, family (husband and wife) or like Eunuchs. http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/09/the-valley-of-death-why-energy-is-not-it Each of us play a different role.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    2:38pm
    I love that Mediterranean Look !!.. MS Doubt Fire ..... Cats and Rats and Elephants and Lord I'm so Forlorn !!
    But I'm never gunna see a Eunuch Unicorn ....

    27th Jun 2014
    10:19am
    AT LAST some COMEDY in Canberra........this is going to be a laugh a minute now..thing is Clive is a great dancer and knows the quick step, the back step, the side step and the great waltz.....NOW we all have something to watch on tele
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    10:32am
    He also knows the Next Step and the Step in it !!
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    10:36am
    You people make out he is light on his feet.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    10:37am
    No one can deny we now have TRUE COMEDY in Canberra
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    10:41am
    We didn't need Him to have Comedy there !! The Cigar Smoking Clown and Big Ears were a Vaudeville Act on their own ??
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    10:46am
    But with Clive there we now have the full 3 stooges
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    10:48am
    Joe is MOE, Tony is LARRY and Clive is CURLY
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    10:51am
    Question is..will Al Gore run for the Senate, after moving here and getting citizenship ?...though he could run things from the USA
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    11:02am
    Larry will poke two fingers in His Eyes !!
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    11:19am
    YEAH..'take that lame brain'...ha ha
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    11:28am
    "Now get back and come up with a Better Budget !!"
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2014
    11:36am
    I see Al Gore as a future Labor leader. Gina Reinhart with her own party, given the success of PUP.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    12:32pm
    The Iron Baroness Party..
    Slogan..We have nothing to do all day and all day to do it in .....
    President..Rusty Steelo..
    Young Simmo
    27th Jun 2014
    1:25pm
    Frank I hope you are wrong, if you spell "GINA" backwards you get,

    "ANOTHER NO-BRAINER IN GOVERNMENT"

    The she will get a crew cut and call her party,

    "GONE WITH THE WIND"
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    4:10pm
    Frankly My Dear I don't give a damn !!
    Not Senile Yet!
    27th Jun 2014
    11:41am
    Look at Me ......Look at Meeee!
    A highly successful comedy act.....hardly something that we need controlling our Government decision making.
    Like Big Clive...he is humorous....but let's get real here....Clive is all about Clive......not anyone else!
    Carbon Tax????....sound like the Research Fund.....Pie in the Sky!
    Anything controlled by Wasteful Governments is in fact a waste!
    Big Business owns all the Electricity & Gas in Oz after the big sell off!
    Anyone who thinks the Government will stop them putting prices up is dreaming.....Carbon Tax subsidises alternative power.....so it subsidises opposition to Big Business. They will not allow such a thing!
    Stop Voting for the Party Machines!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    12:45pm
    The Telegraph Pole on the corner now has a Sign on it now ??.. Private Property..
    Anyone caught Peeing on it will be Charged and Electro.ERR!! Prosecuted !!

    27th Jun 2014
    11:44am
    Good One Tony, I knew you could do it. Palmer is a mere distraction. All huff and puff. Just amusing himself. A disgusting appararion and should be on an ad for weight loss.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    11:46am
    Meant to be spelt apparition. Pot bellied greedy pig.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    12:35pm
    People who live in Straw Houses..Shouldn't Play With Matches !!
    Kato
    27th Jun 2014
    11:59am
    DogsBody - Good One Tony, I knew you could do it. then why are Liebril supporters getting this ask?
    It’s time the Carbon Tax was scrapped.

    The job-destroying Carbon Tax is a $9 billion hit on our economy this year alone.

    Earlier this week, the Prime Minister reintroduced the Bill to repeal the Carbon Tax. It goes to the Senate in the coming weeks.

    We need your support to make sure Australians know what’s at stake – and how we’re fighting to bring immediate relief to families and small business by removing the Carbon Tax.

    Please click here to make a donation to help us in the fight to scrap the Carbon Tax.

    The Carbon Tax affects all Australians. It is designed to make electricity and gas bills more expensive. But if the Carbon Tax is scrapped, prices for groceries, for household items and for services will fall.



    Can you please chip in $10 or more to help us in this fight to scrap the Carbon Tax?

    Or, you can donate another amount: http://www.LiberalParty.org.au/Donate

    Thank you,
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    12:54pm
    Don't be silly !! Its not the Stock Exchange .. Australian Govt Big business are Quiet the Contrary!!.. What goes UP Stays UP !!
    Kato
    27th Jun 2014
    12:01pm
    I havn't heard any pollie or political commentator whilst rabbiting on about how much we will save when the carbon tax is scrapped say that the increases the state gov'ts whacked on would also come off as well as the utility companies charges now that should be a lot more than five hundred bucks.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    1:08pm
    Don't hold Your hand out for the Cheque !!...
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2014
    3:11pm
    Our power bills have risen around 76% and most of that is Renewable Energy Target which when you consider our power company is Hydro driven in other words uses water free and doesn't pay for coal, gas, oil etc shows that profit and greed are the driving force of AGW aka Climate Change.
    Changed when after several years of not one point in rising temperature, they thought feed the mushrooms - (punters as Labor calls their followers also used to denote 'gamblers') or else they may just grow an iota of awareness we are scamming them.
    Yes so Clive did us a service if and only if the government actuall acts on making sure price of electricity and gas is driven down, but unfortunately, Clive has also maybe because he has a business interest, gone for renewable energy targets to remain on top of the empire building usual flurry of Labor entities when in government - they thought around 500 had been created, found 992 in actuality - no wonder federal Public Service has grown hugely and dead money to run as only benefit to us as taxpayers is the income tax they collect from them. Still they will cut them down one way or another many ways as they say. Non replacement etc.
    But still annoying when we have such a huge debt attracting interest payments on top of principle. So still stuck with huge department of Climate Change around 1500 alone not counting the other 2 or 3 departments for renewable energy none of whom produce anything but bureaucratic nonsense called gov speak that many cant fathom or ignore as boring and repetitive. Typical of Yes Minister.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    11:00am
    "Yes!! Prime Minister."
    Kato
    27th Jun 2014
    12:05pm
    And the winner is Clive and the suckers are well take your pick, Tony , Bill , gee federal parliament could pass for clown town.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    1:13pm
    And the Suckers are..This little Pig..This little Pig and This little Pig went Wee Wee Wee Wee all the way Home !!

    27th Jun 2014
    12:21pm
    I dont give a monkey's in reality as long as the hated carbon tax goes because it has caused a lot of grief to people for no other reason than the UN's left wing agenda of OWG confirmed by Bob Brown,and on agenda is to tax the wealthy first world countries and have that tax sent on via the UN who will likely grab a bit for their troubles on the way through to the third world. So when they saw IPCC thought goody way to get this going. Because of course one day people will stop listening to people committed to changing the world, and realize that without CO2 they would not be living as couldn't breath for a start and would starve as the plants etc would cease to grow and the earth would become barren. Like the Moon. Heaps of research over the last 20 or so years, to show it is a false claim and the modelling has been manipulated to show what was required. Even the 52 original scientists said they didnt sign off on the report presented. it was altered. East Anglia emails showed this. But the left wont let it go. Too much money being made by banks companies from it.
    Here is one old video from 2010 from a scientist which explains. the media is on the side mainly of the left so wont tell you the truth. It is 14 mins long but in first 3- 5 minutes enough from a qualified person to put it into plain language. Rather than spends literally weeks reading the thousands of articles on the internet. No wonder the left like our last Labor government wanted to filter what we can read. The truth is out there if we look and too many are now looking.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=keDtanExdrc
    So thanks Clive for doing the right thing here. Even if you still are not convinced and we still have to pay for this money grabbing glory seeking left wing Climate change Dept and money making renewable energy - we will get rid of it eventually as it just wont carry the base load but never mind has lifted power prices and onto all prices for all products by around 50%-76% or more some say.
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    1:06pm
    Just wonder how you expect to recover form catastrophes if all the wealth from nature goes to a few who can afford to leave town if disaster prevails.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    1:31pm
    And the Libs wanted to cut down all trees in Tasmania for a Quick Profit !! Untill they got their fingers trodden on !!
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    1:55pm
    The complexity of these things must be addressed. Condition monitoring can be applied to our daily lives. Some of the issues being discussed are represented in the following links http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/utilities-move-kick-rooftop-solar-grid-15250
    and http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/09/the-valley-of-death-why-energy-is-not-it One system that will lead to reliability centred thinking in community (opposite to the thinking of a consumer based economy) https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140625205923-261965494-why-develop-a-culture-of-compliance-and-risk-management?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST
    Radish
    27th Jun 2014
    3:59pm
    Agree with your comments BigVal. The sooner the carbon tax is gone the better for this country.
    MITZY
    27th Jun 2014
    8:23pm
    BIG VAL: There are charges on electricity bills that are not "electricity used" charges.
    I can recall writing to our local member, Andrew Constance, (now our NSW Treasurer) about a new impost in 2007 to the quarterly electricity account i.e. the SAC (Service Availability Charge) now called Service to Property, which was sure to rise year-by-year. It started off at 60 cents per day and is currently $1.25 per day. At 60 cents per day for 365 days it equalled $219. Now, at $1.25 per day for 365 days it equals $456.25.
    Before this charge miraculously appeared the cost of servicing properties was built-into the price we paid for the electricity we used. Of course, we never had GST in the past, either.
    My Autumn quarterly account (19 March to 18 June) arrived a few days ago and my "electricity used" totalled $130.66 divide by 92 days = $1.42 per day
    Then comes the Service To Property @ $114.81 divide by 92 days = $1.25 per day
    $15.85 divides these two charges!! Of course then comes the GST and if you are lucky you receive a NSW Government Household Rebate of 0.61641304346 cents per day, i.e. $224.99 per annum. So, once we add on and subtract, I end up with an electricity bill for 92 days of $207.64 of which $130.66 is "electricity used".

    I doubt we will notice very little reduction in energy costs once the Carbon Price is abolished. In bold red writing circled on the account it states: NSW Government estimates that the Federal carbon tax and green energy schemes add about $332 a year to a typical 6.5MWh household bill - www.ipart.nsw.gov.au.
    Unsubstantiated reports are indicating between a 20 cents and 50 cents per day reduction in energy costs post Carbon Price abolishment, so for me it looks around $18 per quarter at 20 cents i.e. $72 p.a. and/or $46 per quarter at 50 cents i.e. $184 p.a. Its hardly worth the huff and puff. I could say more, but I've "lost my energy" on the subject.
    Devonrex
    28th Jun 2014
    12:37pm
    Yes Mitzy, we have the same in WA. A supply charge, A recording fee, then your amount used then a GST on top of that. when the carbon tax was introduced they increased it with a 7% carbon tax increase, go figure. and they stand there with a straight face. you can bet your last dollar that 7% will not be removed just covered over with increases in the other areas.

    27th Jun 2014
    2:06pm
    Parliament ?.....THAT's ENTERTAINMENT..the show must go on..Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you; everything's coming up blackberry bushes, there ain't nuthin like a Clive nuthin in the world; on the shady side of the street; we're not in the money; and singing in the pain....
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    4:01pm
    All the Kings Saussure's and all the Kings Jesters !..
    Couldn't put Humpty together again !!

    27th Jun 2014
    3:18pm
    Clive had a cuppa tea with Tony, thing is did they save the tea bags for another meeting ? a cost saver
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    3:32pm
    Frugal !!..They both carry a Little Vegemite bottle in there coat pocket to put the Tea Bag in !! .. Styngy ?? ..1 Tea Bag is good for 7 days !!...
    Kathleen
    27th Jun 2014
    6:08pm
    I do not think people understand what the carbon tax actually is! It is not literally in the name. It is about limiting emissions and constructing a course of action to address climate change. The saving of $500 will only be for a year but delaying action on climate change will affect generations to come. It is probably the only good thing in the budget that has any merit at all. This LNP government is very destructive.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    6:41pm
    Yes !! They Destroyed My belief in Truthful Politicians for a Starter !! And then Started on My Wallet ??.What next ??
    Learning-Life
    27th Jun 2014
    11:23pm
    Spot on that people are not understanding the value in the long term of a carbon emissions management program. People can waste air, water and energy from habit in cultures of the past. The industrial economy transitioned humanity to where it has developed Internet and Cloud Computer capability to make waste, corruption, process risk management everyone's responsibility. Having accountability by each representing ourselves like in this chat, lets each of us learn. Society no longer needs political representation. With transparency and with eyes from many perspectives the right action for each person to take that assures best practice, will evolve into sustainable community. The CO2 metrics can become an emotional metric. It can empower a habit that will lead to sustainable air, water and energy on earth and culture in community.
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    6:54am
    So the right way to go is Hit the Serfs in the Pocket while Pollies live the Life of Riley.
    Best Practice !!.. Life lesson Learned ! Thanks for that ......
    Kathleen
    27th Jun 2014
    6:12pm
    People are deluded if they think there will be any lasting saving brought about by getting rid of the carbon tax. Remember when people did not believe the world was round?
    particolor
    27th Jun 2014
    6:55pm
    Thank for that !! We were looking for a New name for it !! ROUND WORD TAX !!
    now don't go into a Spin ! Heavy Lifting needed !!..
    Clive fell over !!!!!
    Dukki
    28th Jun 2014
    9:16am
    I believe that there is at lot more t Clive Palmer that people believe. Yes he is a wealthy man, and as such he doesn't need t be in politics t be come someone,
    I think I like his views
    Devonrex
    28th Jun 2014
    12:30pm
    I received an email with the subject line 'Scrap it' from the Liberal Party. The nuts and bolts of the email, was a request for a donation for and to assist the Liberal Party in it's quest to scrap the carbon tax.
    I would have loved to respond with the following:
    I am offended by your request for a donation of any amount.
    This arrived in my email box after your government cut the funds that allow people within the lower socio economic groups and/or mental capacity to make the necessary adjustments to their already miniscule living allowance and limited services!
    The impudence of such a request offends me, when I see and hear the verbiage from our governments, Federal, State and Local, defending increased taxes and budgetary constraints making a mockery of the decency of a democratic system.
    To view the so called educated people in Parliamentary sessions wasting time and the tax payers money with frivolous throw away phrases and childish role-plays at the opposition (whichever side you sit on) is to realise where our money is going.
    Why do parliamentarians have the rights of a ‘wait person’ delivering water or whatever that fluid is, when the rest of us plan ahead and take along our own waterbag, thermos or drink bottle, to keep us hydrated? Such a waste of tax payer funds!
    Why do parliamentarians expect the common courtesy and respect of the people, when we see them engaging in conversation, sleeping, mocking, reading and other displays of ignorant behaviours when someone is speaking to them? If you were in a classroom, your teacher would admonish you for these displays! You would expect to be disciplined far sooner by the ‘teacher’, when you failed to comply with the request for silence by the Speaker of the House!
    Why should I scrimp and save if, where and when I can just to survive, when the already extremely well-heeled parliamentarians receive a pay rise?
    Does it not serve to destroy our renowned positive Australian outlook, in the parliamentarians’ flippant displays mirroring sayings like ‘She’ll be right, mate!’ ‘You’ll get by!’ ‘Give it a go!’ when there in full view for all to see is a set of double standards on a daily basis. Independent wage tribunals setting politicians wage rises and then smugly claiming it is nothing to do with us, Mr and Mrs average would like the ability and power to set there up own tribunals for wage and pension rises etc.
    As I said at the outset, I am offended that someone who is directing and using such social media political indoctrination, should forward the email below and expect the positive ‘financial’ response as you suggest below?! This is no better than being a hawker on the street!
    And I quote:

    'Can you please chip in $10 or more to help us in this fight to scrap the Carbon Tax?

    Or, you can donate another amount: http://www.LiberalParty.org.au/Donate'

    To suggest that ‘you can chip in $10 or donate another amount’, makes me foolishly presume that you might just appreciate the ‘value of the dollar’ to people on the street, where every dollar counts in the day to day expense of surviving on a pension.
    Extremely disappointing, Mr.(name withheld)!
    Were you seriously expecting to receive any of your suggested/nominated donations from the ‘poor’ people to whom you and others within your Party address your regular emails with such familiarity as by their Christian name only.
    I hope that there within you and your cohorts there may be a small twinge of decency whereby you are even the slightest bit embarrassed by your email.
    It is extremely frightening to be told not to send my reply above through my private email account, rather via the social commentary page!
    This suggests that I do not have the ‘freedom of speech’ rights within my country of birth as those with ‘parliamentary privilege’, for fear of reprisal!
    I am no longer a proudly positive Australian having role models such as these ‘leading’ our country!
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    1:23pm
    Serf City.....Was there something Wrong with telling the Cheeky Galah to Extract it from the Huge Amount of Carbon Tax that You had already Donated ??..
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2014
    2:09pm
    Devonrex, and you were born here !!! When did we last have a Prime Minister who was born here?
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    2:16pm
    HMMM ?? I thought Hawky was born in Bordertown, South Australia ?? ....
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    2:25pm
    PS..Lets adopt the Davey Crocket Method..
    Born on a Table Top in Joes Café !!
    If You weren't Born Here You cant be KING !!
    MICK
    28th Jun 2014
    5:24pm
    Devonrex: I was informed today that Centennial Coal had made a profit of $15 billion dollars last financial year and not paid a cent in tax. Perhaps write back to Abbott and tell him to stop taking election funding from coal companies (why do you think the Carbon Tax needed to go??? Oh yes...it is hurting our economy - LIE) and start taxing them. You may even get a responses from Abbott himself.
    As I keep droning....vote for a good Independent and send a message to the major parties. There is no other way they are ever going to 'mend' until the electorate takes a blow torch to them.

    particolor: stop hogging the newsprint. Teapot calling the kettle black I fear.
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    5:55pm
    There was nobody around Mick and nobody was talking to those that were !?? And I think its Ignorant to Ignore People !!.. Especially when they have Spent 3 hours writing some of them !!
    Devonrex
    28th Jun 2014
    8:28pm
    Frank. Yes I was born in Australia, not here. and you? for your education devonrex is the breed of my cat., bit like your remarks catty.
    Devonrex
    28th Jun 2014
    8:30pm
    well done particolor we all no you are not an ignoramus. plus the only round one is Clive and he aint saying nothing, mouth to full of Gore.
    particolor
    28th Jun 2014
    9:20pm
    Bo ERR!! Tony and Clide went to Breakfast. Half a Pig and 2 Dozen eggs later,We have No Carbon Tax ??..
    Devonrex
    29th Jun 2014
    12:05pm
    Mick - to presume that I voted for one of the major parties? Independent, which I fear I may live to regret.
    Learning-Life
    29th Jun 2014
    5:53am
    Good idea to have people representing community and Australia business who are born here. The Aboriginals minimized carbon emissions and were sustainable in Australia for over 50,000 years so just possibly there are instincts to keep it sustainable for all. No skills needed in the leadership once community becomes self accountable, self responsible and self empowered around best practices / Holy Spirit. Everything works best when its run from the bottom and leaders have a skill of helping others to fill any gaps in competence. Cooperation needs to replace the culture of the Industrial Revolution, and the web provides the platform once there can be transparency.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    8:16am
    Come and live here for a week and You'll see best practices ?????
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    9:02am
    Given that best practices are a benchmark of what works best, is it a high enough goal?
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    11:14am
    There seems to be a SKILL of Helping Yourself around here to fill any Gaps !! They didn't get any petrol out of My car last night, as I don't leave any in it Now !! BIG MISTAKE !!!!! So they TRIED to lever My boot open from both sides, causing terrible damage to it !! I drove to the Police Station, to report it and show them ?? with the same result as before ! What can We Do ????..WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS GODFORSAKEN COUNTRY ???????????????????...
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    11:37am
    Very sad Parti! I live in a regional community and do not have that problem. However, when I did live in inner Sydney I saw it often. Police are often blamed for not policing. They get a flood of this sort of crime. It's like loads of people turning up to Hospital Emergency to get a bandaid. Did they dust for prints? I'm sorry particolor.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    11:54am
    Not on Your life Frank !! He just lifted His Cap and Scratched His Head and Shrugged !!..
    I may as well have gone down to the Girl Guides Hall ????..
    I used to be a Please unworried about anything type !! But I think I am in need of Stress Management Pills Now ???
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    12:06pm
    PS.. the Police seem to know who is doing all this Damage and so forth But their Hands seem to be tied ?? Those Hand Cuffs they carry Must be for themselves ??..
    I know the Mob doing it too, but we are not game to go outside here at night ! ..You never know what is going to Stagger around the Corner ???
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    12:13pm
    I'm going to change Housing NSW's fancy Sign out the front to...
    INVERELL LUNATIC ASSYLUM ..
    And HOME FOR THE BERWILDERED...
    Learning-Life
    29th Jun 2014
    12:59pm
    Wow guys, I didn't think there were people in the land seeing what is happening out there.

    I've not owned a vehicle since 1997 and live on trains and buses in Perth to commute. Sometimes have to stay the night when visiting. Went from Dalkeith in 1985 to Nedlands till 92. Outside Australia 1993 to 2000. Then Glendalough, YMCA on Goodrich Street to 2011, then Balga and now Mandurah.

    We have a country being run by people who would like to do everything without the cost of people. Stress is high and with things like Red Bull being used to empower, there isn't a whole lot of learning because people aren't allowed to just learn how to live righteously.

    The theme of get an education so you can get a job is so sad. Best practice means an individual is allowed to think and envision consequences of each action and when its not respecting the systems involved, then the heart says no. The wisdom gleaned from saying no brings perseverance and the mind doesn't lose the plot every time its challenged. A consumer based economy is the beginning of the end.

    Lets get the carbon foot print as part of the empathy so the thinking every time we take an action, including when to push on the gas pedal and take a puff we understand the consequences to everyone's well being. Living by law never worked. As each citizen isolates themselves in their castle and builds a little higher wall, the pressure increases and then a blowout happens. See why there was a blowout in the Timor Sea, 2009 August 22, Montara.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    2:02pm
    Useless Society ..They use Red Bull to put Bundaberg Rum in here !! The only thing they Envision here is Invasion ! You got one thing right though !! A consumer based economy is the beginning of the end,, They consume Gallons of it till their Dole Runs Dry ?? I want to put a Moat around My unit full of Acid and a Helicopter Port on the roof, but the Powers that be say NO !!...
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    2:08pm
    I have travelled throughout Australia and I've seen all kinds of places. I sometimes wonder about these small towns, where the railway closes, the jobs dry up, the young turn to alcohol. The town develops a culture of helplessness after years of reinforcement. Why, when a youngster leaves town and makes good he/she doesn't go back and give something back????? I see kids sitting around not talking, playing and laughing, but looking down. They are crying out for an indoor sporting facility or the like where they can learn some real life skills. Seems strange that Australia seems to have so much money to give other countries and can put aside $10b to build windmills etc. These are serious problems which should be addressed at a State and Federal level.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    2:24pm
    They set Fire to the Sporting Facility they had here when their Bong Exploded ??
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    3:23pm
    Cripes!!! What ???!!! Now I understand why they want your petrol. Do these people wander the streets like zombies with white moustaches?
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    4:07pm
    No White Moustaches with that lot ,and the petrol is for their Gas Guzzling, Oil leaking heaps of Crap that they visit our Car Park in often !! Depending on Who has got the Booze and Dope today I think ??.. Where do they get their Pink Slip from ?? If they took them into My Mechanic for a Pink Slip for Rego,He would tell them to get that Heap of Crap out of My Clean Garage before I call the RTA !!!!
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    4:19pm
    PS ..I don't know what Your Circumstances are there ? But we have to get a Pink Slip in NSW, that Your car is Roadworthy, then a Blue Slip for 3rd Party insurance around $500 (Rip OFF !! ) I haven't had an Accident in 50 Years, but NO Discount.. I think that is for their Imports in Sydney that couldn't Drive a Hot Nail into a Pound of Warm Butter ?? .. Then to the RTA for their Stamp of Approval !!
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    4:34pm
    ..RTA = Road Traffic Authority.
    They must Bribe some Bush Mechanic ?? Because they all leak like a Sieve and half of their windows don't wind up amongst other failures !! I often was tempted to walk past and toss a pound or two of Prawn Heads in the window one Summers day !! Or as My friend did one day Picked up all the Crap, Macca's Leftovers and Bottles and Rum and Coke tins from around the Place here that they had tossed on the ground ,And tossed it all through the Drivers side Window !! with a note on the Windshield... Take it Home if You've got one,We don't want it !!
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    4:41pm
    Thank You for the Loan of Your Carbon Tax Blog Clive ..I used it to VENT !!..
    Now do something about the Country before it Falls into COMPLETE DECAY !!
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2014
    5:08pm
    It's too late for Tinkler to rebuild the gym but Clive is a different story. He wants Tony Abbotts job and knows how to get it!
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    5:13pm
    Frank.. Starve Him to death at meal times ? Clive will eat it all before Tony can get His Lunch Grabbers near it !!!
    Colours
    29th Jun 2014
    9:17pm
    I think when Al Gore said to his chief of staff "I only wanna meet the heavyweights in Arstralian politics" it must have lost something in translation.
    particolor
    29th Jun 2014
    9:34pm
    Arsetrailin Politics Still has him Befuddled ?? His last thought were.. Who voted for those Troglodytes ??
    Radish
    30th Jun 2014
    7:18am
    Lol Colours!

    Al Gore's enthusiasm may have something to do with how much money can be made by a company called Generation Investment Management!
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2014
    7:44am
    Shock and awe!!? No it's Blood and Gore!!! protecting their financial interests. Ten years from now we would have forgotten about global warming, but will be ever so grateful that we breathe cleaner air.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2014
    9:02am
    Never (Mind) 10 Years !! I think they have forgotten what they said Yesterday...
    Yes all they see is ($ $)...
    Gee Whiz
    30th Jun 2014
    11:48am
    Before you start vilifying Clive Palmer, just remember enough people voted for him and his candidates to hold the balance of power in the senate.

    Who else would you vote for? The Tony Abbott ensemble of lying boof-heads, or the empty headed insanity of Bill Shorten.

    Had enough of both of these shysters.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2014
    12:21pm
    I think I voted for Clive ?? No way I voted for Boofhead and Goofy !!..But I think they are all on Mind Altering Drugs ??.. And One or two of them couldn't Lie Straight in bed !!!. "There will be no cuts to................................
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2014
    12:44pm
    Well pretty soon everyone will wear it as a badge of honour. Soon It will be the fashionable thing to say "I voted for Clive." Just like people now say "I am hooked on Game of Thrones." I think one of the best political moves in the last decade was Obama's mandatory Selective Catalytic Reduction Emission Control Systems on diesel trucks. I don't know how much influence he had but he put his name to it. Now when ever a truck is not blowing black soot it's thought Obama is responsible.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2014
    12:54pm
    Yes they only Omit Glen 20 now !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2014
    6:09pm
    I think I may have voted for him too. Because I voted for Ricky Muir or the sex party? I cant remember which one.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2014
    6:39pm
    Did Ricky Muir GET IN ??
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2014
    10:25pm
    Yes, but he doesn't want to answer any questions now so he's got an advisor to do that.
    Not Senile Yet!
    30th Jun 2014
    10:03pm
    Well, Well!
    Clive actually got something right eh!
    No pint having any system that is going to handicap your country because no-one else has any such thing!
    Yep! We'll trade with you if you also have an emissions scheme!
    Yeah right! They will agree...do the deal...then revoke their scheme!
    Is it only us Australian Politicians that are that dumb?....they are asking overseas!
    Equal playing field in trading schemes.....no Industry Protection fees......for cheap cars from Countries with 10 time our Population and one tenth of our wage for their workers....I ask you....what equal playing field?
    Even our own Australian Companies are manufacturing in China and importing into Oz...it's cheaper!
    Not only that...they get 3 shifts 24 hours a day (for the price of 1 Aussie Shift) and can export to the World 3 times the product marked up 100% on production cost!
    Copy cats....just like Nike....and others!
    No OH&S issues in China...thongs and shorts...2 legs ..2 arms..can say Yes Yes Yes. No is not in their language.....why?......no Dole there is there?
    Our Party Politicians are the best Paid Fraudsters not in Jail!
    Will any of the Asian Countries ever have a Carbon Tax?
    Sorry just checking to see if you are awake still?
    particolor
    30th Jun 2014
    10:14pm
    .NSY.. I wasn't here either but the Door Bell Rang so I answered You !!..Nice VENT !!!.
    And meantime He waves another Ship Load of Coal and Iron Ore of from the Wharf !!!..Good Night !!Except for Simmo who is just finishing tea in another Country WA !!!
    Learning-Life
    30th Jun 2014
    11:20pm
    Great point "what playing field". Australia with less then 30 million people, all the resources, managing them like there is a bottomless pit, working in competition. It isn't a soccer game. The only winners are those who work in cooperation and commingle the natural wealth with sustainability. Why not subsidize science to build wealth that lets humanity globally be sustainable. America ended up using the intellectual property of Europe to do what its doing. And it was the Persians, Greeks and Egyptians that set up Europe. Since all good things seem to evolve from the East, maybe its time to focus on where that is and start sharing with it the science and research that lets all community be sustainable. Sequestering CO2 and building electric public transport / shuttle cars could be a start. The profit may come with being ready for Climate Change. Being ready to handle drought and floods because the Ark for learning is ready to fly and float.
    Not Senile Yet!
    4th Jul 2014
    10:19pm
    If we were really the smarter generation....perhaps we would spend our time and energy in retirement finding better ways to escape the profit/greed of Big Companies (including Power and Gas) by finding and using as many alternatives as possible.
    The backpackers do it....use solar power to marine batteries to charge phones & laptops on the road....why can't we?
    Get rid of all the power burning appliance that we do not NEED!
    Use the Barby more..... Build Solar Showers etc.......not for any other reason than we can.......we really can.....we have what they do not......TIME!
    Adrianus
    5th Jul 2014
    8:11am
    In 4 to 5 years you will be able to efficiently store power in your back shed. There will be no need for connection to the grid. "Efficient, compact Power storage" is going to be the next big invention to revolutionise the way we live.
    particolor
    5th Jul 2014
    9:18am
    There will be an Availability Meter on Your Shed + GST and New Energy Tariff !!
    Stop Smiling Now !!
    Adrianus
    5th Jul 2014
    9:49am
    I was lucid dreaming for humankind. I have snapped out of it now.
    Learning-Life
    17th Jul 2014
    8:00am
    So its been 14 days since the Al Gore visit and we have had time to recharge. What was learned from Al Gore's visit. Note the Hockey news
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/liberal-frontbenchers-sour-on-joe-hockey-after-threat-to-order-spending-cuts-20140716-3c1nw.html

    PM Abbots quote "As in so many areas, Abbott is a prisoner to his pre-election rhetoric, including the pledge that there would “not be political deals done with independent and minor parties under any political movement I lead”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/palmer-drops-a-bombshell-and-abbotts-week-implodes-20140711-zt4k9.html#ixzz37ffklZV0

    As in so many areas, Abbott is a prisoner to his pre-election rhetoric, including the pledge that there would “not be political deals done with independent and minor parties under any political movement I lead”
    As in so many areas, Abbott is a prisoner to his pre-election rhetoric, including the pledge that there would “not be political deals done with independent and minor parties under any political movement I lead”


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