Older Australians are deserting the Coalition

Since super and Age Pension changes, older Australians are deserting the Coalition.

Older Australians are deserting the Coalition

Older Australians are deserting Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull in droves, with the Coalition losing 10 per cent in support among voters aged 50 and over since the last election.

However, they’re not looking to the Opposition as a saviour. Rather, older Australians seem to be moving to Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party.

Currently, the Opposition is leading the Coalition in two-party preferences 53 per cent to 47 per cent. While One Nation’s support has increased, Labor’s primary vote remains unchanged.

An analysis of 6943 voters in Newspoll surveys taken between February and April revealed that the strongest shift in voter preference may be occurring in Western Australia and Queensland, but it’s indicative of a nationwide trend in favour of independent parties.

Senator Hanson’s party now has 10 per cent support in the primary vote and, although her strongest gains were among voters older than 50, the One Nation party has recorded increases across every demographic.

These gains underline the important role One Nation preferences may play in the next Federal Election.

Older Australians make up the largest voting demographic in the country. The Coalition’s recent changes to superannuation, its tightening of Age Pension rules and pension cuts are all voters aged 50 and over need to send the Government a message of disapproval.

As recently as last July, the Coalition enjoyed almost 50 per cent primary support among voters aged 50 and over. Since the super and pension changes have kicked in, that support has dropped to 40 per cent.

The poll results are yet another blow for a struggling PM who has failed to consolidate his party and entrench himself as the nation’s leader.

Last week, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton hinted that the PM’s leadership could be in doubt, after losing 10 consecutive Newspolls.

Previously, Malcolm Turnbull used Tony Abbott’s loss of 30 consecutive Newspolls as justification for a leadership coup.

Mr Dutton has since backpedalled on his ‘suggestion’, saying that the Government could win the next election and “win it well”.

“With two years to go, we have the ability to turn the polls around, to win the election well under Malcolm Turnbull,” said Mr Dutton.

“On policy fronts including national security and border security, as well as economic security and energy security, this Government can win the next election, and win it well.”

Have your views of Malcom Turnbull and the Coalition Government changed since the super changes and new Age Pension rules? If so, which party do you now prefer? Do you think that these swings are indicative of the nationwide attitudes of older Australians?

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    HDRider
    10th Apr 2017
    10:26am
    NO, Turnbull was always a piece of excrement in my books, his whole govt is the same, hit the elderly! Well, this backstabbing and childish schoolyard behaviour has got every one of us being fed up with the major parties. IMHO, neither of them could lead a pi#@ up in a brewery!
    Turnbull never received the vote of the people therefore, the people should be very upset at his placement/replacement of the true PM whoever he or she was regardless of how good or bad he or she was. This is the behaviour of a dictatorship and the liberals are the closest we have ever had to one in this beautiful country. They don't give a dam that they are there for the people, they NEVER affect their own benefits and one day the people WILL say ENOUGH....that's why we used to have decent unions.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    10:32am
    Let us never forget the $30Bn 'stored' in the futures Fund in the Caymans for the benefit of politicians and their rtitrement packages. You don't hear a squeak from Labor over that outright theft of cash from the till by the Howard/Costello axis - Costello pulls a hefty fee for 'running' it while still drawing his massive pension.

    Bloody thieves the lot of them.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    10:34am
    My apologies - that's $130 Bill-Yun Dullahs... not $30Bn... bloody ex is whining at me that her computer isn't working while I'm trying to type.. imagine working in an office with her.... causes keystroke error...
    jackyd
    10th Apr 2017
    11:54am
    Trebor, A floor to ceiling office partition of double brick with gun turrets may be the way to go there!
    Star Trekker
    10th Apr 2017
    12:30pm
    I am still wondering why the Futures Fund cannot be used to pay off the Deficit.
    jackyd
    10th Apr 2017
    12:41pm
    130BILLION would hardly touch 550BILLION currently and what would be left to pay out those that have so valiantly served.
    Eddy
    10th Apr 2017
    12:53pm
    Because Star Trekker the Future Fund was created by Costello, from the proceeds of selling public assets, to fund current and future governments commitments to public service (including politicians, judges, governor-generals et al) superannuation payments. An unnamed political party, who claimed to be 'superior economic managers', decided in the mid 70's to stop paying in the governments superannuation contributions and to fund public service superannuation out of consolidated revenue. This was to produce budget surpluses and reinforce their claim to be 'superior economic managers'. It worked for a while, and many people were fooled by it, but by the mid 90s it became apparent it was not sustainable so the Future Fund was created.
    So Star Trekker, the 'superior economic managers' decreed using the Future Fund to pay off some of the budget deficit would not be prudent use of the money (and cause Costello to lose his job).
    P$cript
    10th Apr 2017
    1:35pm
    Trevor the Future Fund is responsible for the DisabilityCare Australia Fund, the Medical Research Future Fund and two Nation-building Funds. The future fund is there to cover future payments to hundreds of thousands of public servants who pay into the future fund.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:17pm
    To which they donate a pittance of their revenue for cosmetic purposes, and even so, that is no argument for retaining that hoard of stolen cash offshore. It can function equally well in those charitable capacities HERE.

    Forcing public servants, including politicians, to accept the conditions they themselves create for this nation as a whole would sharpen their outlook remarkably.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:23pm
    Let me just sharpen that a little:-

    Forcing public servants, including politicians, to accept the conditions they themselves create for this nation as a whole, instead of being able to rely totally for their retirement package on a fund totally insulated from any disaster here including those they may create, would sharpen their outlook remarkably.

    I say bring the captain and crew back onboard and let them share the rush at the icebergs that they auto-commanded HMAS Australia to do. If they sink this ship, they can go down with the passengers.... and share the same fate...
    john
    10th Apr 2017
    6:12pm
    ABSOLUTELY WE HAVE STILL GOT UNIONS BUT NOT GOOD ONES.

    They do deals and have had their power reduced and so they fall into the pattern like the government, get what you can for yourself.

    John Howard was kicked between the eyes when he brought in workchoices , the chaining of one leg to the ground of the unions by the ALP after it won power in 2007 is no better than the weakening of unions that Howard created, which made things very very much worse.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:38pm
    Goes all the way back to Hawkie and The Government Of Wrecking A Silly Nation...

    Sidewalk cafe` latte`university quadrangle politics Labor has as much chance of rectifying the disaster this nation has become and is heading deeper into than the LNP with their self-interest and personal advancement above all.

    Tarred with the same brush and all the 'minors' around are just as bad... no real idea.

    We need a genuine party of genuine intent to further the benefits for this nation - including a fair share of our own resources without paying some fancified 'global market' price for them.

    How DARE a government sell of natural resources to overseas interests and then expect that its own people will buy back (as if they ever sold them in the first place) those resources as required, but at a vastly inflated price?

    What is it that drives 'governments' here in this day and age to kow-tow to any 'big boy' who stomps in and demands to chop out a chunk of the nation and then sell us back the dregs at 10-20 times what they pay for it in Offshoreland?

    No 'Asian' pays the same amount that Australians do for LPG, for instance.... or for petrol for that matter, when Australia produces 95% of its own...

    http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    http://www.igu.org/sites/default/files/node-news_item-field_file/IGU_WholesalePrice%20Survey_2016_TO_GO.pdf

    I don't only like to lambast the parasites in Cambra etc - I like to show WHY!

    When I worked in the Commonwealth PS, I had a nasty interview with a 'superior' over my criticisms of their 'man-management' etc - and pointed out to him that while I was highly critical - I also offered solutions to every criticism.

    He had no idea what I was talking about.... nothing new there.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2017
    1:14pm
    Good comments (quite a few) above, TREBOR. Must also remember that Tony Abbott, Hockey, etc, set the ball rolling to attack Pensioners, e.g. the disgusting changes to Assets test from Jan 2017. I am surprised why pensioners voted for this mob at all in the last election (50% support from over 50s at that time?). I thought Labor missed a major opportunity to win the Election at that time when they said they would not reverse the Assets Test changes. Hence, pensioners are still looking who to vote for, as Pauline looks too narrow and shallow in her capabilities.

    I would also add the best solution would be to scrap all special Pensions for past and current Politicians, Govt employees and Judges, and make a standard Pension paid in full for all Australians without any Tests, for those who paid taxes for say 20 years, with all other income taxed fully. That would make it fair for all and maybe no further tampering of the system when they find it affects them as well.
    Old Geezer
    14th Apr 2017
    7:39pm
    The change in the OAP asset test in January 2017 was a good first move in the right direction.
    Anonymous
    16th Apr 2017
    7:37am
    It was a ''good'' move if you believe crucifying the responsible and destroying incentives to save so that pension costs skyrocket was ''good''! I can't imagine how anyone would be dumb enough to think it smart to drive costs UP and discourage people from striving for substantial self-sufficiency in retirement.

    I also can't imagine how anyone could be so unconscionable and lacking in integrity to approve of dishonesty that really amounts to FRAUD - since the LNP bought office by making promises then promptly broke all of them.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    10:28am
    Crikey - political crocodile hunter here - I believe that many older Australians have lost a lot of faith in the government of two parties that we've 'enjoyed' for so long now, and are looking for a new direction. Neither of the major parties is caring over the best interests of all Australians but is tied into an ideological stance that dictates on the one hand that the laughable 'trickle-down theory' actually works, and on the other that all our ills will be resolved by ultra-socialist 'equality' by mandatory numbers.

    Neither of these philosophies has borne fruit for the majority of citizens over the past forty odd years, and never will, and each of these philosophies has contributed to the massive and escalating disintegration of this nation into countless social and economic sub-groups.
    niemakawa
    10th Apr 2017
    10:19pm
    "countless social and economic sub-groups" better known as Multiculturalism. That ideology has failed miserably wherever it exists. Australia ,because it follows this flawed practice imposed on us by successive Governments since the 80's , has ended up with people from different cultures who prefer to retain their own identities and customs , detrimental to a cohesive society.
    TREBOR
    11th Apr 2017
    7:26am
    True - Multiculturalism is a big part of this, but my primary focus in that commentary was how this society is being reduced to an amazing stratified one, with a wide range between Haves and Have-nots.

    Here is a link from my personal blog-site.....

    https://sites.google.com/site/grappleruniversitypublications/home/department-of-irreverent-revolutionary-thought-dirt/money-divides
    Jurassicgeek
    10th Apr 2017
    10:39am
    What we must all remember is that we dont have a real choice.If Turdbull and the libtards get the boot we will end up with the other bunch of idiots who cannot manage our country either...
    Tib
    10th Apr 2017
    10:55am
    Maybe but hopefully the other lot won't be screwing over pensioners while giving big business a tax cut!!!! Apparently the really big end of town, foreign owned multinationals missed out so the government is still trying to get a cut for them.

    So much for the budget emergency

    The libtards have to go.
    P$cript
    10th Apr 2017
    1:48pm
    "The other mob is just as bad" is the slogan of the embarrassed that they were stupid enough to vote for the party that's stuffing up. As for who is the better government there is plenty of evidence comparing the to parties since the early 1970s and you would be surprised that the LNP didn't come out on top in most areas of the jobs & growth.
    Retired Knowall
    10th Apr 2017
    4:28pm
    ***News Flash***
    It doesn't matter who is in Govt. Australia is run by the faceless Bureaucrats that are supposed to be the Public Servants, when in reality they are the masters.
    They set their own pay rates.
    They set their own conditions.
    They set the Parliamentarians pay increases.
    They set the Govt. agenda.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:26pm
    Spot on, RK... you know the game... and so you have to wonder who is held in thrall in this equation - the elected politicians or the public service.

    I recall Adm C Turner Joy being stonewalled when he took over the CIA... public servants have ways of of making you balk when you want to institute meaningful change.
    Oldman Roo
    10th Apr 2017
    8:46pm
    While RK and Treboar are certainly partly right , the unfortunate reality is , our Politicians are not at all capable to run the country and really only excel in electioneering and are a liability to the country .
    Regrettably this is one of the greatest negatives about democracy and I have no doubt we would all be better governed by hiring top class executives , who would truly run the country for a fraction of the Politicians cost and be hired and fired on achievements or lack of it .
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:39pm
    You got that right, brother....
    Tib
    10th Apr 2017
    10:59am
    The libtards have forgotten "Older Australians make up the largest voting demographic in the country. "
    Bye bye Turnbull better luck in your next job!!
    Don't call us we'll call you.
    Triss
    11th Apr 2017
    1:41pm
    I'm there with you, Tib.
    Captain
    10th Apr 2017
    11:02am
    My opinion of the LNP changed for the worse when Abbot & Hockey bought in the lower assets test (along with the Greens). They ruined the retirement plans of over 300,000 people and goodness knows how many in the next 5 years.

    My wife and I did not receive the Aged Pension then or now, as we looked ahead in the seventies to pay our own way in our older years, however for any Government to change the rules mid-stream is a sign of lack of empathy and compassion.I would expect those affected by these changes (those who now realize the cost to them of the changes, now that they are in force), will desert the LNP and Greens in droves. As a rider, I expect Labor to be no better if they are in power.
    Mad as Hell
    10th Apr 2017
    12:21pm
    My thoughts as well. Moving the goal posts after promising ".. no cuts to pensions ..." the Liberals and Greens lost me.

    The Liberals policy is to steal from the pensioners and give to big business.
    Muggins
    10th Apr 2017
    12:51pm
    When the Greens passed the changes to the Asset Test they did so with an agreement with the government that a full enquiry/report would be made on retirement incomes - superannuation, pensions, etc. I have heard or seen nothing more on this report/enquiry. The Liberals and Greens lost my vote and I would never vote for Pauline Hanson. Moving the goalposts with such a harsh change to the asset test was a mean and greedy change - yet negative gearing seems to be sacrosanct - could it be because politicians are big benefitters of negative gearing tax concessions?
    Rae
    10th Apr 2017
    1:41pm
    Labor could have stopped the legislation. They went along for the ride knowing it was wrong and a purely ideological attack on self funded retirees many of them unionists at that. Damn retired nurses, police, firefighters, teachers, ambulance drivers etc. Damn unionists. Now how can we ' f--k" their ,after service', life up?
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:37pm
    I see you know the game, Rae - those you list are the strongest unions in the nation................ my father and an uncle were career firies, another uncle a career copper....
    Fredklaus
    10th Apr 2017
    11:30am
    What a huge DISSAPOINTMENT Turnbull and his band of THIEVES has been,send him back to goldman sachs , where he belongs
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:12pm
    Ali Malcolm and The forty Thieves? Hmmmm... this has merit...
    inextratime
    10th Apr 2017
    11:39am
    If I was Malcolm Turnbull I'd be looking forward to retirement in two years time as there is no way the Coalition will win the next election. But I can't see the Labor party getting a clear majority and there will have to be a lot of schmoozing up to the independents and in particular One Nation to get anything through the parliament. If its rocky now its going to get a whole lot worse.
    marto
    10th Apr 2017
    11:47am
    The sooner we get rid of the current boofheads the better they certainly put a spanner in my works and I wont forget it
    Retired Knowall
    12th Apr 2017
    7:44am
    Repeat post from above.

    ***News Flash***
    It doesn't matter who is in Govt. Australia is run by the faceless Bureaucrats that are supposed to be the Public Servants, when in reality they are the masters.
    They set their own pay rates.
    They set their own conditions.
    They set the Parliamentarians pay increases.
    They set the Govt. agenda.
    Old Geezer
    14th Apr 2017
    7:40pm
    Agree the pollies just do what they are told to do and say.
    jackyd
    10th Apr 2017
    11:48am
    And now the latest baffling disappointment is the 100's of millions if foreign aid going to Indonesia & PNG while the cyclone victims get a single million.
    Seems being an Aussie doesn't mean anything anymore.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:12pm
    We should all apply for our 754 Visas ASAP - that's the opposite of a 457 that guarantees you a job...
    jackyd
    10th Apr 2017
    12:36pm
    Dunno, an Aussie birth certificate should be enough to emphasize a fair go and a bit of precedence, particularly in senior years after a life long contribution all in positive intent.
    Play Fairly
    10th Apr 2017
    5:22pm
    Yes, and $300 odd million has just been given to Afghanistan !!!

    These Fools in Canberra HAVE NO IDEA. George Christensen's electorate of Dawson has been badly hit, and George is the only parliamentarian who seems to be interested in getting people back on their feet. The promised $1 million in aid to this cyclone devastated area will not go very far at all.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:40pm
    The FIC will NEVER have an idea while ever they are so well insulated from the hard yards of the majority out here. We need to reduce their incomes and perks post haste and return their retirement packaging to these shores, and place that $130Bn into a Futures Fund for ALL Australians, and then ensure that Social Security contributions etc are added to it for ALL, and not just the self-appointed elite.

    That includes public servants of all stamps, including politicians.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:44pm
    I am frankly flabbergasted at the outrageous gall of a politician and party, in league with a few personal appointees AND the 'opposition', grabbing as much of the national revenue as they want for themselves to fund their retirements in isolation, while abandoning the rest to their fate of standing in lines at soup kitchens while steadily chopping away at the commoner's retirement packages.

    They should be charged with theft as a servant amounting to billions of dollars, and the penalties should be extreme.

    They should also be forced to return that money and put it into a proper Futures Fund for all Australians, and add to it the compulsory Social Security contributions that have been around for decades now.
    Lookfar
    10th Apr 2017
    11:51am
    Jurassic Greek, it is always the assertion of both parties that they govern better than the others, the truth is that neither party governs very well, but one thing is sure, - if we change them around reasonably frequently, they concentrate much more on the voter.
    Probably two terms is the maximum we should give either party unless they truly excel.
    Certainly the current mob show a distinct lack of excelling, time to give the other mob a turn, probably they have learn't a bit from their time in exile, and also many new faces.
    seedub
    10th Apr 2017
    11:53am
    One of the major problems that current politicians have is that they cannot pull the wool over the eyes and more importantly memories of those over the age of 55 years.
    The two party system then had clear goals and a distinct attractiveness for most of the population.
    The subsequent loss of this groups understanding of the important cultural and social cohesiveness which people who never lived here or many of the people raised in subsequent generations do not understand has much to do with the general dissatisfaction caused by the loss of what once was a great country with proud traditions.
    There was much more to the symbolism of give it a go mate and the she'll be right mate comments than pure ockerism, it meant far much more than that and it generally meant we are supportive of each other in true mateship.
    This is not a reflective rose coloured view of yesteryear as most who were there at the time I am speaking about can vouch for.
    Todays mantra of multiculturalism has much to answer for and even if we are supposed to have the best programmes in the world, any contrast with the social cohesion and effectiveness of the years up to the mid 50's are as clearly distinct as chalk and cheese.
    Not a Bludger
    10th Apr 2017
    11:55am
    Is this really a surprise - trend has been there since Turnbull + turncoats stole the PM'ship.

    Turnbull never was a real liberal - just another leftie masquerading - should have been in the ALP.
    Rae
    10th Apr 2017
    1:54pm
    Maybe the whole LNP are secret "lefties'?

    They have certainly been tow-dowing to the communists, selling their Party a lot of our infrastructure, institutions, utilities and real estate, including very productive farmland. A very nice supply line actually.

    Even sold them our gold at the bottom price of the centuries market.

    Yep way, way, left.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:46pm
    No - just thieves and a craven bunch of sell-outs...

    The Assassination of Australia by The Coward John Howard.....
    jen
    10th Apr 2017
    11:55am
    I am absolutely disgusted with all of the below comments. How do you think that the country can afford this ongoing and ever increasing welfare system. Tax cuts are to encourage businesses to employ more staff who in turn will contribute income tax to meet your whingeing needs. The future fund is necessary to pay superannuation for public servants & not just for politicians. What do you think Pauline is going to do for the country except divide the community - she does not even understand basic economics.

    I am not going to tick the box to read/receive replies as I know what will be said. I also find that this publication always leads with negative comments - there is little balance here and most days I do not bother to read - in reality can any of you do better or has old age made you bitter and twisted. Have you ever thought how you would run a business, managing budgets and employees whilst trying to stay afloat...I bet not as it is easier to just whinge. Go vote for Pauline and see what bigger mess we end up with then you can complain again.
    jackyd
    10th Apr 2017
    12:10pm
    All very true Jen but the issue is the leadership of M Turnbull. He has abandoned the conservative base of the Liberals and in return the Delcon's are deserting in droves. One Nation at the very least puts Australia first as does the new Australian Conservatives.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:24pm
    Find the younger generations jobs, Jen, and pay the pensioners the equivalent of what they would have put away in a fifty year super scheme, and not just the failed on this lot are panicking over right now when it hasn't even had a full 'lifetime' to run yet.

    Simple really....

    Stoopid is as stoopid does, as they allus say down in Green Bow...
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:28pm
    When unemployment reduces after company tax cuts - get back to me.

    The futures Fund should stay HERE, and pay its dues here like everyone else. It is frankly disgusting that politicians and public servants would secure their own lifetime incomes while setting about destroying those of everyone else.

    Those two groups should be taking their chances on the government's economic handling, same as everyone else is, and not have their hefty lifetime incomes secured elsewhere. That way they might find it a little easier to come up with valid policy thrusts, and stop selling the farm off to feed the pigs...

    I've run business, been a public servant, and been an employee - let me assure you I'd rather take my chances running my own show any day.
    ghoti
    10th Apr 2017
    12:30pm
    Let's see how well the tax cuts work, shall we, Jen? Most economists predict they will have a negligible effect on the economy. Betcha most businesses will pay their executives more. Of these, many will, in turn, buy a negatively-geared investment property. Surely it would be far better to give tax cuts and other assistance to the lowest-paid workers; this money would be spent in the economy, benefitting everybody. Trickle up rather than trickle down.

    Turnbull, ScoMo and the rest of 'em are just interested in looking after the big end of town. The poor should've chosen rich parents. They should get a better job that pays more. They are a burden on the rich, whose taxes pay for their welfare.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:31pm
    .. and while we're at it - perhaps you could explain to me how it is that a government could safely allocate any sum at all to their own retirement packages as a 'right', while running around and saying that the allocations for pensions and Social Security that have gone one for a century now are nothing but handouts....

    I'll await that one without holding my breath... and I'm afraid the captain and crew are going to have to re-board Ship Australia along with the rest of us and take their chances on their own navigation and seamanship skills.... for a change.
    gadsby
    10th Apr 2017
    8:29pm
    Jen jen jen,dont get your knickers in a twist,alls well here ,we just gave $3,000,000 to Afghanistan,our high court judges still cop a $270,000 pension for life ,so were not broke yet,,god only knows what the politicans pay themselves,but ill bet its not,$1800 a month ,Thank your lucky stars,your not 21 and starting all over again.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:44pm
    I don't have a problem with propping up the Afghani government, as such - unfortunately I do not see it having any long-term tenure once 'Allied' forces are withdrawn.

    This entire process reminds me of 'Vietnamisation' way back in the lat 1960's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamization

    First we withdraw the troops that sustain the government, then we give them 'aid' to support themselves when they cannot, then they are eventually over-run by their same old opponents, and a bloodbath ensues.
    Ginaus
    11th Apr 2017
    4:00am
    these so called Ministers are supposed to be Intune/well versed in economics.... yet the bloody mess .... we're robbed left right and centre .....our intelligence insulted ..... had a business .... worked hard paid taxes and for what... don't tell me not to whinge about the conduct of these scum bags.... bring on Hansen....
    Tom Tank
    10th Apr 2017
    12:02pm
    A very common mistake people are making is due to a lack of knowledge of our political system. We do NOT elect a Prime Minister. We work under the Westminster system where we elect a Member of Parliament who, generally, belongs to a like minded grouping who call themselves 'a Party". Those members of that Party then elect a leader of their Party who will remain their leader until such time as he/she retires, loses their seat in Parliament or loses the confidence of that Party and is replaced. This also happens in the UK where the Westminster system originates. This is what happened to Rudd, Gillard and Abbott and Turnbull had been elected to represent the people of his constituency and so the removal of Abbott and the elevation of Turnbull was quite legitimate.
    The LNP have an ideological purpose of protecting the rich and to do that they have set up tax structures that allow the accumulation of wealth. To try to keep a budget under control they cut expenditures and particularly those relating to what they consider to be welfare and that includes age pensions.
    The upcoming budget will I predict show this purpose of theirs so don't be surprised with what they propose to do.
    Franky
    10th Apr 2017
    12:15pm
    Whilst Turnbull was an improvement on Abbott, I never had much hopes from an ex- Goldman Sachs investment banker. We know where his allegiances lie and so far he has been true to colour. I don't look to politicians anymore to bring us change, the faces may change but the policies remain the same. As long as money rules politics there is nothing to be expected for the ordinary people. I just wish more would wake up to that fact.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    12:34pm
    I've explained it elsewhere to people who imagine that a 'merchant banker' would make a great steward over this nation. I pointed out that 'merchant bankers' borrow money low to lend high, cop a fee for 'finding' money and perhaps approving a business plan, and then live high on the fees and the interest differential.

    In government, money borrowed is spent - not lent - and can only be recouped via taxation. A vast world of difference, and one clear reason never to employ a 'banker' in government.
    Eddy
    10th Apr 2017
    1:12pm
    Trebor, I would take issue with you on your last comment. It depends on what the borrowed money is spent on which counts. Building infrastructure which has an economic benefit is good, borrowing to fund recurrent spending is bad.
    Let us look at roads for instance. The organizations which built our proliferating toll roads (and now charge us to use them) borrowed $billions (with government guarantees) and are now reaping the economic benefit in tax write-offs and profits. If the governments (both Fed and States) had borrowed the money, built the roads and collected the tolls they would have been lambasted for increasing the public debt (notwithstanding any 'profits' would go back to the public purse)
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    5:50pm
    Fair point, Eddy - but someone has to show the flag and run ahead here... I trust you will forgive my enthusiasm for bringing the 'master class' to heel here....

    Yeee-ussh - but the railways and Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Snowy Scheme were all built that way - by government borrowing and then repayment via charging the people who used them....

    That's one hell of a lot easier to sell than trying to tell everyone they are better off paying big tolls so companies and individuals can write it off from taxes.... and so a select crowd can buy into these schemes in the first place.

    Socialism for business this 'government guaranteed loans' - if 'private enterprise is more efficient' - why do they need 'government guarantees?

    (a. because most of them couldn't run a stall at the Easter Show in reality).....
    Trevine
    10th Apr 2017
    12:19pm
    This bloody lot the coalitions, all they do is take from the pensioners and the poor to fatten their pensions. How come they don't utter a word about the politicians pensions. Isn't that a drain on the economy. These small pensions that they pay out are supposed to be not sustainable. What about their big fat pensions and payouts? Is this sustainable? Bye Turnbull. Good riddens of bad rubbish.
    libsareliars
    10th Apr 2017
    4:14pm
    Well said, never a word about their own bloated pensions. And Pauline Hanson is just in it for the money and power - did anyone see Four Corners last Monday night? She has a lot of explaining to do.
    Huskie
    10th Apr 2017
    12:22pm
    The comment

    "Older Australians make up the largest voting demographic in the country. The Coalition’s recent changes to superannuation, its tightening of Age Pension rules and pension cuts are all voters aged 50 and over need to send the Government a message of disapproval."

    Is the most insightful of all although no-one seems to take notice of it. Some people, through this channel, tried to rustle up support for a "Seniors Party" (over 50) to try to get their own representatives or supporters elected to Federal and State Parliaments. All that was needed was 500 members of the party. Such was the apathy that all they got was 250 before the task got too much.

    The largest voting block in the country can, and should, influence politicians but If Pensioners and others remain so entrenched in their allegiance to established Parties then they deserve what they get.

    Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Reinhold Niebuhr
    Mad as Hell
    10th Apr 2017
    12:34pm
    The Liberals and Greens stole Pensioner Entitlements because there was a budget emergency then Mal and Nick found $24 billion to fund company tax cuts. Please no more lies.
    kinkakuji
    10th Apr 2017
    12:50pm
    We have the world’s biggest reserves of energy – yet we have some of world’s highest power prices. We have land in abundance – yet Sydney’s house prices are close to Hong Kong’s.We have among the-world’s highest labour costs and heaviest regulatory burdens.Of course, we’re agile and we’re innovative and we’re the world’s most successful immigrant society – but Kazakhstan, apparently, now outranks us in education achievement and we’re no longer the place where everyone wants to invest.Looking at the news today, it is clear that the Liberal Party has declared loud and clear that it is not a party of the people but instead a party for the leftist elites. There needs to be a strong leader prepared to stand and start that great call to the people who will need to have the backbone to step away from the corrupted 2 party system that has been allowed to stink up this once great nation.Hunt on for missing millions in tax dollars....WTF has the Australian Government been doing these last 4 decades? If it hadn't been exposed through television and radio these lazy bastards would not be acting on it now. Instead they take the easy way through salary and wage garnishing and stripping pensioners who had worked their entire lives. Oh well done minister you're such a saviour, will they too get tax breaks that might even cancel out your investigations??
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:24pm
    My power and sewerage disposal costs very little but it does require checking that is it working and maintenance which is not as convenient as just seitching on a switch or pressing a button. High power prices etc are the cost of convenience I guess.
    niemakawa
    14th Apr 2017
    11:04pm
    I will keep repeating here and anywhere else until it starts to sink in with the complacent majority that call Australia home. The Lib/Lab/Green trio are Globalist ruled by the elite leftists/Liberals non-elected dictatorship which in "polite" circles is called the UN. Look at this like this Federal (Australian) law takes precedent over any State laws where there is conflict. Australia does not have the sole right to determine who should enter and reside in this country. The UNHRC in most cases overrules court decisions made here even Supreme court ones. Australia is no longer a master of its own destiny and this situation will deteriorate further if these same parties continue at the forefront of policy . Most of the taxes that one would expect to be paid here are sent off-shore not necessarily to bolster the profits of the holding company ( many CEO's of such are liberals and anti-democracy) but into the coffers of the UN, who uses this money to encourage and assist in mass migration from the so-called "poorer" nations to the affluent West. Look deeper and you will see that most of these "refugees/economic migrants" are from the muslim world. Again this has been and still is the intention of all Globalists governments to install Islamic law as the political force throughout the West. What is ahead of us is a world dominated by the elite with the rest of the population used as slaves to enhance the wealth of a few. The end result will be decimation of some cultures which have no benefit to this NWO. It is already happening and will only hasten unless the people yes the people resist and do whatever is necessary to stave off this onslaught.
    Baby Huey
    10th Apr 2017
    12:55pm
    When the coalition's corrupt thieves in the banks destroyed my business and super via a constructive default I asked the cognitive defective frank wits in Centrelink for help. I did not ask for any money just advice and training in programs already in place so I could get employment. I then wrote to my local member who was a coalition cabinet minister for help. Again I asked for no money from the government.
    The reply said that because of my age the government could not help me and I should volunteer. My reply was unprintable.
    The latest insult came with the changes to super. I recently sold our last asset to invest in super. The new rules now prevent that due to my age.
    Having been a LNP voter for over 25 years and have paid substantial taxes during my working life I feel like I have been kicked in testicles by this coalition government.
    At the next election I will not vote for either the Coalition or Labour.
    All politicians and governments are corrupt only some are more corrupt than others. The Coalition and Labour are in the later.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:27pm
    It is easy learn and play the game by the rules. Be flexible enough to change with the rules and find the loop holes. Change is part of life embrace it.
    jackie
    10th Apr 2017
    1:31pm
    Turnbull is no different from all the other corrupt politicians Australians vote for.
    P$cript
    10th Apr 2017
    3:33pm
    Another "they're all the same" comment, no they aren't.
    mike
    10th Apr 2017
    1:43pm
    I have voted for the Liberals for the last 42 years, but then Hockey attacked the pensioners, and the part pensioners who worked and saved for their retirement, he attacked the disabled calling them rorters, whilst he rorted the travel allowance pocketing SEVERAL multiples of $288 per night, paying off a Canberra mansion that he openly boasted he bought through lying and cheating. Julia Bishop spent $30000 taxpayers money to fly VIP from Perth to Canberra to attend a meeting. HOW MANY PENSIONERS HAD TO LOSE THEIR PENSION TO PAY FOR THAT JUANT, JULIA? Julia makes Bronwyn look good. Turnbull and Julia, when they are not busy filling their own back pockets, are too busy sending hundreds of millions in foreign aid to muslin countries, that hate and want to kill us, to look after their own people. Nick Xenophone, by his stopping the changes to 18C racist laws, has left the door open for Muslims to carry out racial hatred attacks on Australians, but denying us the right to complain about it. Labour is a joke. The Greens are so far to the left, they are pseudo communists, and also seem to be in favour of Sharia law. SO WHO IS LEFT?
    Rae
    10th Apr 2017
    2:06pm
    We badly need a Socialist Democratic Party. And some new worker's Associations, guilds and councils.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    6:00pm
    Hawkie killed that possibility of with his Government Of Wrecking A Silly Nation, and his 'accord' which meant, in reality, more power to the bosses backed by the government, as occurred with the 'pilot's strike'.

    Hawke was either a total fool or a traitor..... perhaps both...

    Remember my embryonic book - The Rape Of Australia - begins with Hawke.... but the signs were there long before in some ways that this nation was headed for the toilet.
    Crowcrag
    10th Apr 2017
    2:07pm
    It is a national pastime to berate politicians. We can do this because we have the strength of democracy and the ongoing successful tradition of the Westminster system of government. Beware of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Rejecting the party system in favour of an untried and erratic phon group could be poison. It is better to influence the major parties with a clear voice of voter power telling them what we expect. It is our responsibility as voters living in a democratic community to do this.
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:24pm
    Aye - but if the slops bucket fits, they can wear it.... we only get to vote every three years or so - we need to keep them on their toes all the time...
    Supernan
    10th Apr 2017
    2:55pm
    I always voted Greens or Labor. Not because they are perfect. They often do very silly things. But because the LNP is & always will be in the pockets of the rich minority. Thats their power base, their friends own the Media, they are all wealthy themselves, they know how to hide all the backroom deals.

    Very disappointed with Greens for backing Pension Assets Test. But they seem to be a bit more sensible now with new people.

    Would never back Pauline Hansen in a million years. All she is aiming for is power. She will do & say whatever she thinks people want her to say. Then backs down next day when she finds a bigger group that want her to change. However she scares me because she is copying Trump Slogan Politics & we know where that went. Too few people read policies & just vote on slogans. Like Turnbull did & Abbott did. Then break every promise they ever "Sloganed".
    Culgoa
    10th Apr 2017
    3:06pm
    Little by little these cretins are eroding services and assistance for the disadvantaged, and the battlers young and old. Yet some will continue to vote for them - God knows why.
    andromeda143
    10th Apr 2017
    3:20pm
    The big dilemma facing thinking voters. Turnbull is a wishy-washy sham and is captive to the repugnant right. Labor is moe caring and less likely to slash and burn on the heads of the working and middle classes, but does not seem to have any worthwhile ideas about how to fix the national budget. Also, Labor are almost as repugnant as Liberal in their treatment of refugees.
    Hanson has no idea how to govern and would be an economic disaster. Likewise most of the other independents (Hinch etc).
    The Greens are too fixed in their idealistic zeal to make the necessary compromises to get things done.
    Xenophon is the most rational. However, we do not have a proper leader who can grab all sides of politics and bring them along together.
    The fault lies surely with this broken 'Westminster system' we have inherited that dictates that politicians have to oppose vigorously any ideas which are not on their own party platforms. It makes for childish cat-calling type debates and stalemates where nothing gets done.
    The system needs a philosophical reform and revamp, so that representatives do not just oppose blindly and all representatives are forced to support the majority wishes of their constituents. Us of direct voting via computer/communication technology could bring about this change. Parliamentarians would become responsible directly to their voters for holding their jobs and political parties could become obsolete.
    P$cript
    10th Apr 2017
    3:54pm
    Your describing the FLUX Party. Where the voters have the ability to tell the way their party member is to vote using an online voting app.

    10th Apr 2017
    4:06pm
    Well, this article gives the Labor trolls open slather to name-call and waffle on with half truths and outright lies. In reality, this poll has been canvassed with 6943 people out of a population of 23,130,000 or 0.03% of the population. Even if the 6943 people polled are of voting age then that percentage will rise because there are 16,589,000 Australians eligible to vote giving a percentage of 0.04%. Again, as with most polls, we are not told where the poll was taken nor how the question(s) is framed.
    Lookfar
    10th Apr 2017
    8:00pm
    Hi, 'Old Man' i don't know that there are any Labour or Liberal Trolls contributing to this website, - ie trolls getting their rocks off by upsetting people, - of course there is the obligatory Neo-Liberal or two wages earning dupe('s), normally full of cliches and fixed opinions, - like Bonny, now gone, and OG, currently still with us, but they can be easily spotted, - they get paid according to how many posts they do, they have a fixed repertoire of cliches they are allowed/advised to use, they have a significant lack of compassion, and indeed may well be computer programs, as they usually avoid really complex discussions, where they would be exposed.
    This policy of seeding every political group, discussion, movement, party, etc has been mainstream Neo-Liberal policy for over 40 years now, as they have unlimited money to do such, - unlimited, - it's a worry.
    However, there are a large number of fixed opinion Liberals and Labour folk, - this is not against the law, - their grandfather voted, their father voted, they will also so vote.. and particularly with us older folk, inclined as we are to get fixed in our ways and habits, and finding it hard to realise that everything is now changing or indeed already changed, can continue on that railway track, till the day we die, - and indeed perhaps beyond.
    All I am suggesting is that you look at these situations not from a ' "that is a labour (or Liberal) opinion, which I have to support or oppose", but, how do we grow from here?
    Cheers,
    Geoff.
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2017
    8:04pm
    Thank you Lookfar, your point is well made. If you read what has been written here you may see where I was heading with my post.
    Huskie
    10th Apr 2017
    8:05pm
    Where are the "half truths and outright lies"?
    If you were able to lose your blatant LNP bias you can easily research and find out how the research was conducted in context of who was polled, where they live, the question asked (just pay the money!) and, to be quite frank, it would be pointless to conduct research on voting intentions of ineligible persons. All polling must take a statistically valid sample or it will be vilified and condemned by it's own industry.
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2017
    9:07pm
    Try these Huskie:
    "Maybe but hopefully the other lot won't be screwing over pensioners while giving big business a tax cut!!!! Apparently the really big end of town, foreign owned multinationals missed out so the government is still trying to get a cut for them."

    "These Fools in Canberra HAVE NO IDEA. George Christensen's electorate of Dawson has been badly hit, and George is the only parliamentarian who seems to be interested in getting people back on their feet. The promised $1 million in aid to this cyclone devastated area will not go very far at all."

    "This bloody lot the coalitions, all they do is take from the pensioners and the poor to fatten their pensions. How come they don't utter a word about the politicians pensions. Isn't that a drain on the economy. These small pensions that they pay out are supposed to be not sustainable. What about their big fat pensions and payouts? Is this sustainable? Bye Turnbull. Good riddens of bad rubbish."

    "The Liberals and Greens stole Pensioner Entitlements because there was a budget emergency then Mal and Nick found $24 billion to fund company tax cuts. Please no more lies."

    "Turnbull is no different from all the other corrupt politicians Australians vote for."
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:51pm
    If I 'upset' people it is because I state facts clearly and carefully - not because I have any 'alliance' with any party... you will note I blast them equally for their incompetence, their self-interest, and their failed and vastly out-dated philosophies that govern their approach to managing MY country on MY behalf!

    Love it or leave it....

    Troll? Never. 'Leftie'? Only insofar as I stand for the rights of the ordinary person against the elitists of both 'left' and 'right'. Makes me a Trotskyist, if you wish to apply labels that do not apply - since my only 'study' of 'communism' was Mao's Little
    Red Book, his assertions on guerrilla warfare, and the same from Che Guevara.... all while I was wearing the green uniform.

    I have no interest in political labels - only in results....
    Mad as Hell
    11th Apr 2017
    8:25am
    When the Libs can promise on the eve of the last election ".. no cuts to pensions..." and then pass legislation to cut entitlements to 300,000 pensioners. Is that a lie, half truth, noncore promise or reason not to trust Liberals?
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:31pm
    Some of us do things because of many others things than mere money. Remember that.
    Anonymous
    16th Apr 2017
    7:34am
    It's both a lie and a reason not to trust Liberals. But worse, it was peddled as a way to reduce spending and improve the budget bottom line. Either that was a deliberate and blatant lie to cover up the real purpose of the change, or it reflects the most appalling incompetence and stupidity imaginable.

    You cannot assume a saving results from a cut to a benefit based on mathematics. You have to factor in psychology. So when IDIOTS offer 7.8%+ return to people who are struggling to get 5%, you'd better believe the people affected will restructure to get the 7.8%+. Psychology says this STUPID change will drive pension costs UP UP UP. Younger folk will reduce their savings in response and older folk will rearrange their affairs where possible.

    Financial advisers are telling people to spend $100,000 on a world cruise to requalify for the pension. Over 10 years, they will be likely be about $180,000 better off!
    Teddyboy.
    10th Apr 2017
    4:10pm
    The LNP have only one policy and that is tax cuts to the well to do. The billions they are handing out now should have been invested in infrastructure. That way the money gets distributed to all. If the big boys want a share then they have to compete for the contracts and then have to employ more workers to fulfill them. Who then spend the money supporting others. Not just raising executives pay or putting it in trust funds etc.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:34pm
    No handouts for me. I pay and receive little in return. Certainly no welfare or any other handouts.
    KB
    10th Apr 2017
    4:30pm
    Why did voters vote for the Liberals? Labor would have at least looked after pensioners and retirees.
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2017
    6:33pm
    ha. ha
    Mad as Hell
    13th Apr 2017
    7:59pm
    Labour are not going to reverse the Pensioner Assets Test if they get back in. Libs and Greens will never get my vote, losing faith in labour, PH as a protest vote, even though she's out of her depth in a parking lot puddle and wouldn't know if the band was around till they clapped the cymbals.
    niemakawa
    13th Apr 2017
    9:32pm
    @Mad as hell. Have you read the policies of One Nation? Obviously you do not see this party as an alternative Government. ALA is another party that is worth consideration. There will be no advancement with Libs/Lab?Greens, they are Globalist parties and only see Australia as a tool to further their own interests. Other than that the Australian people are seen as insignificant. These parties, they care not about Australia as a Nation but only as a member of a club run by elitists with a left leaning /socialist agenda. A Nationalist approach is needed to remedy the ills of this country.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:36pm
    Dream on. Labor would have cut OAP welfare a lot more if they had been in power.
    Play Fairly
    10th Apr 2017
    5:13pm
    Gee, I wonder why older Australians are deserting support for the Turnbull government??
    Turnbull and his cronies DO NOT GIVE A HOOT about older Australians.
    They are NOT genuine and socially responsible people who are worthy of governing Australia and its citizens. To the contrary, at every possible opportunity they have "kicked" people when they are down. There are people who have committed suicide when faced with the draconian measures imposed on them by Centrelink. One of these people were issued with a "fake debt" letter, and faced with a large amount to repay. The Centrelink "system" became too much for them in the end. Some people are truly living on the edge, but NOT ONCE have I heard these clowns admit and apologize for what is going on.
    Rae
    11th Apr 2017
    8:29am
    The LNP have never given a hoot for any but the business community and wealthy individuals. Nothing has changed.

    Remember those changes only got through the Senate because the Greens and Labor supported them.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:38pm
    It would make little difference to me no matter who was in power but I doubt the country could weather another Labor government.
    Poider
    10th Apr 2017
    5:31pm
    Have been a stalwart Liberal voter all my life...... until now. With the continuous attack on Super and Pensions, i've had enough. Next election will see me looking for any alternative that show an interest in supporting older Australians.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    10:40pm
    Just overdue xhanges to super and welfare nothing more. The May budget should be interesting being the first budget of the elected government's term.
    Nerk
    10th Apr 2017
    5:59pm
    To H D Rider, Turd ball is not a piece of excitement lol.
    john
    10th Apr 2017
    6:08pm
    ONE NATION DOES NEED ONE THING CHANGED. THE LEADER OF THE PARTY, SHE SPEAKS BEFORE SHE THINKS. AND APPEARS A LITTLE GREEDY TOO?
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:54pm
    She changes tack with every prevailing wind, too.... one day she will say she is for the common worker... next she will say 'bloody penalty rates are roonin' the country', and paying single mothers is rooning the economy'...

    The 'right' in government must love having her around.... dumb as two planks nailed end to end.....
    Oldman Roo
    10th Apr 2017
    9:06pm
    Whichever way some of our forum writers like to turn the opinion poll results , they are certainly a true reflection of how the elderly feel . There is the LNP who kicked a lot of elderly in the guts and Labor are not receiving their confidence because they are somewhere lost in deciding who deserves to be rewarded for a life time of hard work or , the other category who are more needy but are often in that position by choice of lifestyle .
    TREBOR
    10th Apr 2017
    9:59pm
    Not choice of lifestyle, brother - try working your guts out for years for eighteen hours a day and more on relief saving the company's arse, to be stabbed in the back, dumped on the scrapheap, asset stripped by divorce and so forth so easily arranged by 'government' here, assaulted as some kind of 'woman basher' - and then labeled an 'enemy of the state' because you are an 'older worker' and dumped - literally - under the bridge.

    When you can offer unlimited opportunity - on a genuinely equal basis as opposed to the AA I endured when working for the Commonwealth - kindly do so.... until then - stop bagging anyone who has been bashed down as being a bludger.

    Where are the thousands of jobs YOU are offering?

    I rest my case.
    Oldman Roo
    10th Apr 2017
    11:37pm
    My brother Trebor , While we are usually of the same opinion , I beg to disagree with you on this one .
    No disrespect on what happened to you , I think I indicated once that this is also the case with me . Being well aware that not all being needy are in that category by choice of lifestyle , I have used the term "often " , which was done to distinguish between the unfortunate innocent and those who choose a spend thrift easy lifestyle . Unfortunately the latter are the more common in the community , therefor I strongly disagree with the ones who tried , as I did for many years and, no doubt you too , are treated worse than
    the bludgers and free loaders .
    TREBOR
    11th Apr 2017
    6:34am
    Ah - your 'often' 'scapes the lash then....

    When I see a red flag I often charge without too much forethought... my apologies.

    If retirement package was given on effort and on work provided - I would be a very rich man today, and I sometimes think I would have been better off surfing all day and then picking up my 'pay', as the urban myth goes about the unemployed. and the current pensioner.

    BTW - those who think that way live in the middle class belt near the ocean and see their neighbour's children surfing because they have no jobs, and then going home to mum and dad's kitchen etc. You simply can't live on the 'dole'.

    I don't know ONE person who chooses to be on the 'dole' as a lifestyle.... well - some druggies perhaps, but they are the outfall of society, after all.
    Oldman Roo
    11th Apr 2017
    8:57am
    I am glad we are back on pretty well the same wave length again .
    I should have also mentioned that my dissatisfaction has a lot to do with the outcome of the Pension reform .
    Due to saving and working hard when I was still employed , I now find the income for the wife and myself from Pension and investment is $ 188 less per fortnight than what people receive on a full Pension . They often squandered their earnings and are now rewarded for it . Of course I can not live on that and am drawing on my savings and what is adding insult to injury is that Centrelink query my spending when I advise them that my savings have to be adjusted in line with my therefor reduced assets . I think it is appalling that I can not spend my savings in order to have at least the same income as a full Pensioner and have to give details on what I spent my money on .
    But that is the new direction from Canberra - getting very close to a Stalin - Hitler style Government .
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2017
    2:21pm
    Oldman Roo is spot on, I'm sad to say. Yes, of course there are many who are in difficult circumstances through no fault of their own, and they deserve all the help society can give them. But there are far more who were lazy or careless with their money and/or simply cheat or manipulate, and they are costing the nation heaps while those who saved responsibly are being punished harshly for doing so.

    It would make far more sense to reward the responsible and remove the incentive to cheat and manipulate. I don't quite know how to deal with the out-and-out lazy cheats who fake disability. One I know just inherited over $1 million after bludging on benefits, with nothing wrong with her, for 30 years. So what's she doing with the $500,000? Building an outrageously expensive home so she can continue to draw a full pension!!!!
    niemakawa
    11th Apr 2017
    2:30pm
    @Rainey more than 1.2 million people claiming a disability pension. Most of these would be under 65 years of age. That is a ridiculous number and the "cheats" need to be weeded out. Unfortunately the political will to do anything about this type of fraud is non-existent.
    Old Geezer
    14th Apr 2017
    7:38pm
    Gee I know far too many on the DSP that are only on it because they simply don't want to work. I know of one fellow who has his own market garden and sells his produce t all the local restaurants for cash so he keeps the DSP.
    niemakawa
    14th Apr 2017
    9:48pm
    @OG and all. Also the DSP is not taxable income. Even after reaching the retirement age a person can continue on the DSP or opt for an aged pension. The rates are the same. The only possible drawback is that an age pension is portable indefinitely(for now) whereas the DSP is for only a short period of time in any one year.
    freed1948
    10th Apr 2017
    10:06pm
    Yes the Coalition has lost me, but I certainly won't vote for those retards in One Nation.
    Maybe Nick's mob or a well credentialed Independent. What happened to Keep the bastards honest??
    Eddy
    11th Apr 2017
    9:45am
    Meg Lees sold them out when she conspired with John Howard to bring in the GST instead of holding out and 'keeping the bastards honest"
    niemakawa
    10th Apr 2017
    10:10pm
    Older, wiser. Pauline Hanson is a good choice a much better alternative to what is currently on offer. We need to bring some National pride back into our lives. The Globalists Libs/Lab/Greens have all but destroyed our identity as a proud Nation.
    TREBOR
    11th Apr 2017
    6:38am
    If only she would stop changing with every prevailing wind and would divest herself of this nonsense about the 'lower classes' who didn't run a fish shop but had to do it hard with no job and no opportunity. there is only room for ONE fish shop in Ipswich, same as the idea that ever unemp0loyed person should go out and build a business - 800,000 new small corner shops would ruin the rest and would only lead to bankruptcy for many....

    Blind is as blind does, as they say down in Green Bow... and just because someone has been fortunate enough to ride on the tax deductions and free feed of running a fish (etc) shop doesn't mean they are 'better' somehow than anyone else.
    Old Geezer
    14th Apr 2017
    7:42pm
    One Nation save our bacon think again.
    niemakawa
    14th Apr 2017
    9:55pm
    @OG there are other alternative parties who embrace a Nationalistic approach in the best interest of Australia and its people. Keep voting for the Globalist parties , then there will be no bacon to save.
    disillusioned
    11th Apr 2017
    5:20pm
    Can't stand the LNPs any more, every time they open their mouths the lies pour out. After Hockey and Abbott's horror budget of 2015, I swore I'd never vote Liberal again. They've carried out "slash and burn" policies on the elderly, the homeless and the vulnerable, cutting funds to much-needed services and benefits, and kowtowing to Big Business and overseas investors, who've bought up much of the country. The impression I've got is that they hate us and are only interested in feathering their own nests and protecting their humungous pensions and perks!
    niemakawa
    11th Apr 2017
    5:24pm
    All Globalists hate the people who elect them. Is there any main political party that sincerely puts Australia and its people first? I would say no. Australia has by default given away its sovereignty to the UN the HO of the Globalists.
    Lookfar
    11th Apr 2017
    5:27pm
    disillusioned,
    Beautifully and succinctly put.
    Abby
    12th Apr 2017
    1:00pm
    @niemakawa
    Totally agree with
    "Australia has by default given away its sovereignty to the UN the HO of the Globalists. "

    13th Apr 2017
    2:30pm
    It will be a case of which is the least likely to do the most damage. Not fussed on either party at this stage and Pauline Hanson...no way.
    niemakawa
    13th Apr 2017
    7:05pm
    Libs/Lab/Greens have done almost irreversible damage to this Country. Pauline Hanson wears her heart on her sleeve, a true Australian, who believes in this Country.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    2:23pm
    Just watch that Four Corners show for the real Pauline Hanson if she is a true Australian then God help us all.
    LiveItUp
    14th Apr 2017
    2:18pm
    Nothing to worry about folks as One Nation will emplode way before the next election and things will be back to normal.
    niemakawa
    14th Apr 2017
    2:27pm
    Well stop complainingg about the LNP/Lab/Greens your saviours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will stick with the Nationalists all the same.

    16th Apr 2017
    7:40am
    Hmmm. I just read a suggestion that OG might actually be a computer program. Entirely possible. If he isn't, he has a brain like a computer program - completely incapable of original thought, empathy, compassion, comprehension, or intelligent debate. Just spits out repeated garbage. Much like some of the dimwits in the LNP actually.
    musicveg
    26th May 2017
    2:31am
    Let's all vote for Independent's next time and get a mixed bag, that would be interesting.
    Blue Parrot
    7th Jun 2017
    5:47pm
    I used to be a regular voter for the Liberals - they can no longer count on my support because I have seen little other than consistent lying, self-serving system rorting and facile statements from inept ministers and back benchers.

    As an older Australian I have a reasonably balanced view of most things which allows me to cut through the trendy, headline grabbing rubbish of which our current batch of lollies are so fond. Shallow, self serving and inept are the adjectives that regrettably immediately spring to mind with this Government.