Age Pension: portability changes in limbo

There's only fours days until Parliament rises, but what will be passed before then?

Retired couple worried about pension portability

With only four days left before Parliament rises, all eyes may be on the Government’s ABCC bill, but what about the legislation that could affect 81,000 pensioners?

It was the reason that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull called a double dissolution of Parliament leading to the Federal Election in July, yet it seems we’re no closer to the passing of the legislation to introduce the Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC). Aside from the bill being unpopular with the Opposition, Independent senator Nick Xenophon has vowed that Team Xenaphon Senators will boycott voting on this and any other bills until the dispute over the Murray-Darling Basin Plan is resolved.

The Government has managed to meet the demands of other crossbench senators in regards to the ABCC legislation but, if no agreement can be reached, with the three Team Xenophon senators, it could derail the final few days of Parliament.

And this is bad news for pensioners left in limbo as to the passing, or not, of legislation to alter portability rules for those who plan to spend part of their retirement years overseas. Currently, a recipient of the Age Pension can be outside Australia for 26 weeks and still receive most of their Age Pension payment. However, legislation, which passed the Lower House in February this year, would see those who travel outside Australia for more than six weeks have their payments subjected to the work life residency rule.

The new rules are scheduled to commence from 1 January 2017, leaving many pensioners in limbo as to how long they can remain overseas before their Age Pension is affected.  The legislation would need to be voted on and passed by the Senate in the next four days. Labor, the Greens and Nick Xenophon have all stated their opposition to the changes, so the legislation may not pass even if put to a vote.

Read more at AFR.com.au
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Opinion: Delay in vote unfair for those in need

When the proposed changes to the Age Pension portability were first announced, I made it quite clear what I thought. I’m firmly in the camp which believes that the working life residency is a good measure for giving back to those who have contributed. If you have lived and worked in Australia for the full 35 years required to retain your full pension payment then it is indeed deserved. And if your pension is paid pro rata because you haven’t lived and worked in the country long enough, then that’s fair too.

However, many people don't share this view and that’s OK. Frank is just one YourLifeChoices member for whom the changes will be detrimental. So much so that he took the time to write and tell us just how worse off he would be under the new rules.

Many people are split on the proposed changes to Age Pension portability but fairness arguments aside, legislation that affects people’s retirement incomes at a very basic level should take precedence over a building commission about which few people actually care. Leaving people like Frank in limbo is neither fair nor just. It has been nine months since the legislation passed the Lower House yet the Government now seems to have little interest in progressing a bill that is likely to be voted down in the Upper House.

The Government’s sense of achievement at successfully passing the superannuation changes could be short-lived, with the next four days in Parliament likely to be an exercise in futility. And that’s not good for anyone, except retired MPs, who will be able to keep their Gold Passes over the Christmas break, because Malcolm Turnbull is too busy to follow through on the pledge Tony Abbott made when PM.

What do you think? Given its impending start date, should the changes to Age Pension portability have been prioritised for this sitting of Parliament? Will you be affected by these changes if they pass the Senate? Do you think that reducing Age Pension portability is necessary?

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    mogo51
    28th Nov 2016
    10:25am
    Just another example of the arrogance and superiority complex of Australian politicians. Your article is correct of course.
    I live overseas but worked in Australia for more than 40 years before receiving the pension and making that decision purely on economic reasons. I paid income/gst taxes, state taxes etc. all my life and feel I have an entitlement to retire where I wish.
    The position of those with less years of contribution has also been adequately considered as I see it. The legislation should be passed before they rise for their 'extended holiday' - oh to be a politician, what a rort.
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    12:17pm
    I read the conditions of getting an age pension and living outside Australia mogo51 and I fail to see why you are getting upset. According to the rules you can live wherever you choose without any penalty as you have worked, and contributed tax, for more than 35 years.

    To those who have chosen to emigrate to Australia and work for less than 35 years and then expect a full pension should they choose to spend time outside Australia, is a bit rich. At least the proposed legislation allows a pro rata payment.
    terry
    29th Nov 2016
    9:43am
    Haven't bothered to comment on this site for a long time for the very reason I have chosen to comment now, i.e. the presence of LNP trolls masquerading as something else. An LNP staffer with lots of taxpayer paid hours on hand and unlimited access to the Government's propaganda machine doesn't represent the view of those affected by changes that claw back money from those who are heavily reliant on the Age Pension to make ends meet in their twilight years. Wouldn't you agree "OLD MAN"?
    particolor
    29th Nov 2016
    11:59am
    A VERY OBSERVANT PICK UP THERE terry :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    29th Nov 2016
    7:59pm
    Softly, softly, catchee tiger.... I like to run my agents on a long string and wait for them to trip.......
    Biddy
    28th Nov 2016
    10:32am
    What a joke they are still trying to penalise pensioners when they still give the right to all present and past parliamentarians to free travel while taxpayers fund it the reason and lame excuse they have no time in this year to stop it,what do they have to do ? Nothing much just pull the plug on them rorting the system nothing to hard for these bunch of morons ,but of course the busiest time of the year ahead,and enjoy the holidays and these parliamentarians can still get away free of costs for a holiday overseas or where ever at no cost to them,what a joke as usual the tax payers pick up the costs for these people to holiday wherever they choose all because they don't have the time to stop this shame on you morons,whinge about not having enough money,yet allowing this to all poloticans free travel shame on you clowns for not taking the time to pass legislation to stop all the free travel
    johninmelb
    28th Nov 2016
    11:34am
    We're all well and truly sick of it Biddy.

    So, what are you going to do about it??

    Try and let us know soon, so that we can rest assured you will get the problem fixed quickly, and our lives will be easier.
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    2:00pm
    Biddy we need to let them know there will be winners and losers in the next election and this time make sure there are.
    Not Senile Yet!
    28th Nov 2016
    11:40am
    This Outright DISCRIMINATION!
    Nothing more & Nothing Less....and it doesn't pass the Smell Test of Corruption by ANY GOVERNMENT!
    Basically it's a Penalty that removes a Person's rights as a Citizen of CHOICE!
    This Government is treating it's retired with Direspect!
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    12:41pm
    I can't agree NSY, the Government is not removing a citizen's choice but merely stating what the rules will be should a citizen make a choice that will affect their pension. If a citizen chooses to return to work and earn more than the allowable income whilst receiving an age pension, the pension will be affected.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    3:37pm
    Hence the Trebor Party Policy - pay the pension, tax the income over and above... simplifies everything and reels in the fat cats who've had a good run for life and want it that way forever, especially the past politicians on their good wicket, who still imagine they can stand up and we should take notice of them.

    After all they've done to us............
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    4:29pm
    Id put them all in Whiteanimo Bay !! :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    6:33pm
    I think Bairdie sold off 'The Ranch' (LBJ Ranch), otherwise known as Longtanamo Bay Jail.......
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    6:36pm
    This site needs a LIKE Button :-) Or a Thumbs UP Thumbs DOWN Buttons :-) :-)

    28th Nov 2016
    12:34pm
    Debbie, you tell us how the legislation could affect up to 81,000 pensioners but this is quite vague. What is the percentage of pensioners possibly affected? How many of those possibly affected are age pensioners? What is the actual $$$ effect? Do some get more and some get less? I believe this is bad journalism as it gives just enough of a story to raise fear in pensioners who will never be affected.
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    12:54pm
    You are obviously not affected Old Man and you do not mind who else is penalised. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Debbie's article is very worthwhile.
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    12:57pm
    I don't dispute what you say Alex. Maybe the article is worthwhile and a clarification may prove that.My point is that the article smacks of sloppy, lazy journalism. I think we deserve better in this forum.
    Debbie McTaggart
    28th Nov 2016
    1:11pm
    Thanks for the comment Old Man, we can only report was is provided by the Government and 81,000 is the number of people currently receiving the Age Pension without having the 35 years work life residency. In regards to how many it affects, that depends on how many wish to travel overseas for more than six weeks - a figure that can't be defined without asking each and every one what exactly their travel plans are.
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    2:07pm
    Yes old man. Sorry you are perfectly entitled to criticize Debbie's article. I jumped in without really digesting what was said. While I am not affected by these changes I just do not see how they can justify retrospective changes that affect people who have tried to get their affairs in order after retirement with new rules they are making up on the run. They were very particular not to make retrospective changes that would affect maximum contributions of over $1.6 million for those who already had that amount. They have shown absolutely not respect at all for retirees especially those who are struggling. They have beaten them down and down again.
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    5:05pm
    Thank you Debbie, I am not a journalist but a quick check gives an idea about how many people, on average, travel abroad from Australia. About 31% of Australians each year travel abroad although about 23% (or 6.1million) are there for short term stays. The median trip is 15 days.

    If we use those percentages in relation to age pensioners, about 25,000 will travel overseas and of those, about 6,200 will stay longer. It can be seen that a very small group is materially affected.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    6:02pm
    I'm concerned about 35 years of working life - that means most would have to arrive here by age 30 or so... just saying... what does a certified refugee over forty do then? Get nothing?
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    7:41pm
    Well TREBOR, a certified refugee over 40 can get an age pension and can also travel outside Australia but will receive a reduced age pension for the period over 6 weeks. If they arrive aged 40 and work 27 years, they will have their pension reduced to 27/35ths of what they normally receive. The problem seems to be that some of the contributors to this site would have you believe that the age pension is cut off from the 1st day on leaving Australia.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    8:00pm
    Ah - that clears that up for me... thanks, OM.
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    12:52pm
    They are also planning to raise taxes on retirees and pensioners in the next Budget as John Daley was pushing on their behalf last week. Some of us voted this lot back in and also Pauline Hanson who supports their cuts to pensioners.
    We need to make sure they understand that in the next election there will be 'winners and losers' to quote the Prime Minister and that he and the LNP will definitely be the losers if there are any more attacks on the elderly. We will move Hell and Highwater to see them gone. Let them know this early and often.
    Rodent
    28th Nov 2016
    1:31pm
    Alex

    I find it interesting the One Nation has as its POLICY platform an
    INCREASE to the Age Pension of $100 per Fortnight for Single Age Pensioners and $150 per Fornight for Couples, and yet they VOTE in the Parliament as if they have forgotten this Policy.

    Perhaps I will remind them, again
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    2:06pm
    To No Avail :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    4:07pm
    I think that we need to ensure that those we place in the category of 'losers' next time don't get to walk away with a golden handshake for trying to push Pensioners into an early grave.

    That includes Hanson, who already in her past short sting of thirteen months, managed to walk off with ten times my then super fund - the result of my working thirteen years.

    They also want to include your family home and chop you off for earning that over a lifetime.

    We need to bring these bastards down to the same level and watch them squirm to survive under a never-ending change to their income packages for life.

    New government needed.....
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    4:11pm
    BRAND NEW !!
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    5:09pm
    Alex, I recall the article where John Daley from the Grattan Institute had given an opinion on what he thinks should be done. I don't recall the government ever discussing Daley's thought bubble let alone making plans to implement anything. It is noted that a spokesperson from the Grattan Institute has today made comment about taking funds off private schools to give to disadvantaged schools. Again, this is a personal point of view by an individual which has no merit in the real world of education.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    6:06pm
    OM - I'm leaning towards the view that the Grate-On Institute is nothing more than a flag runner up for various ideas - toss that dead rat up the pole and see who salutes it..... then if the response is negative on YLC or OzPol or whatever - and the Guv do monitor these popular sites through flunkies and cut-outs - the idea is quietly shelved.......................... until next time................ on the back burner......................... but not dead cremated and buried....
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    9:41pm
    Rodent,
    This is simply the result of voting for an Independent or a minor party which some people like to advocate. Hanson and her ilk are able to promise the world and half of Tasmania because they have no means of getting any legislation through the Parliament. Come next election when they are reminded, it will be the fault of Government, regardless of which side is in power, and a promise to do it all over again.
    maxchugg
    1st Dec 2016
    10:35am
    It seems to me that at the moment there is a window of opportunity for the "grey voters." The last election showed the distrust of both sides of the political spectrum by the success of the minor parties, with the result that we now have a lame duck government which is doomed to failure.

    Now is the time for the grey voters to show their power by selecting a party and then offering their votes in exchange for a better deal. This could help the national interest, because such an arrangement would almost certainly produce a government with a workable majority.

    We have stood back for too long and watched vocal minority groups cleverly manipulate the government to their benefit, so think what a large group of grey voters could achieve.
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    1:55pm
    It is not appropriate to make retrospective changes to pension rules. There was a big outcry when there was a proposal to change the limits on the maximum amount of money high income people could contribute to super and Mr Shorten took the high moral ground about retrospective changes. However that principle is sadly absent when it comes to changes in rules that affect low It is not appropriate to make retrospective changes to pension rules. There was a big outcry when there was a proposal to change the limits on the maximum amount of money high income individuals could contribute to super and Mr Shorten took the high moral ground about retrospective changes. However that principle is sadly absent when it comes to changes in rules that affect low income people and those on the pension. Changes should not be retrospective. 35 years is a long time. 30 years is the usual requirement for full pension contributions elsewhere.income people and those on the pension. Changes should not be retrospective. 35 years is a long time. 30 years is the usual requirement for full pension contributions elsewhere.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    1:57pm
    I hope they All Promise not to come back again ! :-) But then we all know what a Polly's Promise is :-( :-(
    Alex
    28th Nov 2016
    1:57pm
    Thank you Rodent. Pauline needs a strong reminder of who she represents. She has a history of supporting very right wing policies that disadvantage poorer people from her time in Qld Parliament. She has the same attitude to pensioners and retirees that she does to migrants.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    2:09pm
    I'll make sure Your next Fish & Chips has Fewer Chips in it for that :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    2:33pm
    Rising tide of illiteracy - BATED breath, as in ABATED.... we're not trying to catch a fish.....

    I once made a little cash on a movie set in New Zuland, and my book royalties come from Uncle Samland... where I pay tax as well... Fiji - well - let's just say I made no money there....
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    2:38pm
    Plus it will be Underwater soon according to the UN Climate Change Programme :-( to which we just Donated :-( :-(.. Any Wonder were BROKE !!
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    2:35pm
    What I require of this and all government here is the right to live overseas if I wish or sail the seven seas, without losing my pittance of a retirement income - after years of putting up with their lies, chicanery, shifting the goal posts, their social disasters foisted on me and many others, and their dismal economic and infrastructural records that have left this country in a parlous state......

    I have one golden rule in life - I do nothing to you - you do nothing to me or face the consequences.

    28th Nov 2016
    3:37pm
    It may help somewhat to come to terms with this and any other government delays once you come to the realisation that politicians just DO NOT CARE about those outside their own cloistered walls, LEAST OF ALL Aged Pensioners.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    4:12pm
    DRAIN THE SWAMP !! :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    4:16pm
    Wrote this on another forum:-

    For a moment there I thought you said 'Retribution' - in which case they'd be packing their bags and taking the keys for the Futures Fund with them - a few lazy billion stashed offshore in case of a rainy day.

    "The Australian sovereign wealth fund returned a modest negative 0.9 per cent, as its assets declined to $117.39 billion from $118.4 billion from the start of the year as it continued to shift its allocation towards more defensive investments such as cash. "

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/future-fund-cash-holdings-rise-again-after-first-...

    Read it people - they've got $118.4 billion stashed in the Caymans in the government's 'sovereign fund' designed to benefit only a few. They pay Peter Costello handsomely to manage it for them... and he receives $3m salary from his nice little earner after politics plus his parliamentary pension on top of that nice little earner.

    That cash, BTW - is only 23% of that fund's 'assets' (undefined)... no wonder they can live it up without any fear.

    Talk about El Grando Republico Da San Austrador....
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    4:20pm
    And that's why Hillary is Whistling in the Wilderness !! The American People FINALY WOKE UP !! :-) :-) :-)
    Diamond Jim
    28th Nov 2016
    3:43pm
    Typical of this stupid LNP government.....more concerned about pushing their conservative, union bashing ideology at the expense of vulnerable people. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
    TREBOR
    29th Nov 2016
    8:03pm
    Yep - only a total fool prefers confrontation to negotiation....
    kinkakuji
    28th Nov 2016
    4:04pm
    If I give you $1 billion and you stand on a street corner handing out $1 per second, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, you would still not have handed out $1 billion after 32 years!!
    Now read on
    A VERY BIG NUMBER
    This is too true to be funny.
    The next time you hear a politician use the word 'billion' in a
    casual manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians'
    spending YOUR tax money.
    A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advert-
    ising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some
    perspective in one of its releases.
    A.
    A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
    B.
    A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
    C.
    A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
    D.
    A billion Dollars ago was only 13 hours and 12 minutes, at the
    rate our government is spending it.
    Stamp Duty
    Tobacco Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Income Tax
    Council Tax
    Unemployment Tax
    Fishing Licence Tax
    Petrol/Diesel Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    (tax on top of tax)
    Alcohol Tax
    G.S.T.
    Property Tax
    Service charge taxes
    Social Security Tax
    Vehicle Licence / Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    Carbon Dioxide Tax
    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
    Not one of these taxes existed 60 years ago and our nation
    was one of the most prosperous in the world.
    We had absolutely no national debt.
    We had the largest middle class in the world. Mum stayed
    home to raise the kids, Dad and teachers were allowed to
    discipline kids.
    A criminals life was uncomfortable.
    Boat people were kids sailing on the harbour.
    What the hell happened?
    'Political Correctness', ‘Politicians or both?' I hope this goes
    around Australia and beyond at least 100 times!
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    6:26pm
    BOTH !! :-( :-( :-(
    Charlie
    28th Nov 2016
    5:23pm
    How about some free travel within Australia for age pensioners who are so impoverished they cant afford to travel within Australia, let alone trip off overseas to spend their pension at a better exchange rate.
    Would one air fare, once a year to anywhere in Australia be asking too much. The so called free rail travel requires an extra $50 each way to say nothing of the hours of sitting up all night if the nearest relatives live interstate.
    BElle
    28th Nov 2016
    5:33pm
    Yet another indiscriminate whack at Aged Pensioners. What exactly does this imply. We have just booked an 8 week trip to UK and Europe. My husbands family live mostly in the UK and as we are in our mid to late 70's this will, inevitably, be our last trip to see his brother (71) sister (70) and assorted nephews and nieces. We therefor intend to take the time to spend with each of them. As we will be away for eight (8) weeks, does this mean that for two weeks we will not receive our measly pension? I would have considered that the administration of this would be ludicrously expensive. Yet how else are we to interpret this proposed legislation?. We have not the slightest intention of making a permanent home overseas. We have our own children here and only one grandson working in the UK.
    This governments and the medias attitude towards Aged Pensioners is abusive. We have paid our dues and anything we receive we have worked hard for.
    I would also like to reiterate that Compulsory Superannuation is not a free gift from our past employers. It was part of our remuneration package. If you don't work,,,,,, You don't get. Please stop treating us as if we are some kind of parasite living of the next generations.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    6:10pm
    Well said, BElle...
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    6:29pm
    Yes BElle....
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    7:26pm
    belle, simple question: how long have you lived and paid tax in Australia, if it is 35 years it won't affect your pension, if less you should receive some pension of england or other countries and therefore why should Australia pay for your overseas trips of longer than the 6 weeks allowed while you are able to bank your english or other pension, the pension you are receiving from this country, and this should be the rules for all those receiving an Australia pension as far as I'am concerned, anybody leaving Australia for more than 4 weeks, and unless you worked and not being on the dole and paid tax for the minimum of 35 years in Australia should not receive a cent while away, Australia might be a land of milk and honey but eventual it will run out of dough and that will hurt everybody in this great country, as for your insult of you receiving a measly pension, if you can't live on the minimum of $440.00 a week, single rate, in your case, couple at least $600.00 a week, I have to ask you are you living at the crown hotel, eating at the Australian, lunching at the Windsor, my advise, get somebody to do a budget for you and you really put your feet in it by stating parasites living on the next generation, to many are just doing that with no regard for future generations, as usual, the egocentric statement of you and so many others I am alright backer the rest, my advise start living in the real world and give our future generations the same opportunities you and me were given when we entered this country,
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    8:05pm
    The amount salted away in the Future Fund would solve the 'budget emergency' - then they could return to the time-honoured track of their funding coming out of consolidated revenue, while their fund actually pays tax here instead of somewhere else....

    Amazing.. simply amazing.... if some South American or Asian drug dictator did that - offshored billions to a safe haven for his own benefit where it paid no taxes to the Republic - there'd be outcries in the media about what a rotten corrupt, robbing swine he was.... (they're mostly men... how interesting).... and how the US or somebody should take him down....

    Here it is met by a deafening silence......
    floss
    28th Nov 2016
    6:23pm
    Would I go into super again not after what has gone on in the last year. a safer option would be welfare and a big tin in the back paddock.
    TREBOR
    29th Nov 2016
    8:05pm
    .....Social Security and a bit tin in the back paddock......

    Some of my ancestors are Luinigh, Looney, Loney, Lunney, Lennon etc.... tread softly.... Luinich means the carrier and defender of the Sacred Spear of the Gaels..... and a son of the High King.....

    But in terms of clan - I'm just a spear carrier.....

    (Hush - it's the Irish in me, this love of words).....
    particolor
    29th Nov 2016
    8:43pm
    By watching the Shenanigans in that Parliament lately I'm convinced that the Majority of them have a few Kangaroo's loose in their Back Paddock :-(
    johninmelb
    28th Nov 2016
    6:57pm
    As usual, just a page full of whinging.

    Not one single person has told us what they are going to do about the problem.

    Us poor old pensioners are going to keep on getting whacked until you get out your fxxxing chairs, and DO SOMETHING.

    Writing rubbish to an obscure website will achieve nothing. The Liberal Party or your mates in the Labour Party, DO NOT READ THIS RUBBISH. They couldn't care less. They know you won't or can't do anything, so they act with impunity.

    IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY - FIX IT.
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    7:08pm
    YOU seem unhappy every time and with everything you post, so surely you must be unhappy with this article, as well. So what are YOU going to do??? Sweet FA I would suspect. And, if you don't like the whinging don't read the comments. Simple? YES!
    Anonymous
    28th Nov 2016
    7:32pm
    some people are never satisfied, winging is the new password in Australia
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    7:42pm
    Yep ! We've absolutely Blitzed the Poms (Pardon the Pun) for whinging now !! :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    7:57pm
    I told you a need for a totally new party - temporarily titled The Trebor Party.... and that the political parties monitor these kinds of sites for a response to their various moments of insanity.

    I've seen my very own words come out in a politician's speech...

    Not only that but this kind of site provides motivation and develops people's understanding of the issues through their sifting other people's ideas.

    Stonewalling by labeling it 'whinging' is not doing anything for you or anyone else..... if you have nothing positive to add to the discussion, you have nothing to add......
    johninmelb
    28th Nov 2016
    7:58pm
    I am unhappy about the way I am treated as a pensioner, yes. No surprises there.

    As for the article, it refers to residency rules, and I am unaffected by that. I lived and worked all my life in Australia, so I would have no problems if I go overseas longer than 6 weeks - which of course I won't as I cannot afford to.

    This subject has been discussed to death on this site. We get the same stuff over and over again. If you go overseas for say 8 or 12 weeks for example, YOU WILL NOT LOSE THE PENSION. However, after 6 weeks away, YOU WILL LOSE THE PENSION SUPPLEMENT. Your base pension rate will still be paid. The supplement will resume once you come home. This is where the confusion is. It is clearly set out on the DHS website, and I have posted the link in previous discussions.

    Instead of mouthing off about stuff, CHECK WITH DHS in regard to YOUR OWN PERSONAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Everyone is different, there is no one size fits all here. Everyone is spreading misinformation, and that scares people.

    As for me doing nothing, I am ready and willing to fight alongside everyone else. Line up Turnbull, Abbott, Shorten, and Hanson outside Parliament House, and I will happily join a firing squad to rid the world of this vermin.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    7:58pm
    People have a right to discuss their concerns over the often stupid and self-interested moves of others that affect them - you have zero right to label that whinging.
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    8:10pm
    Argh, aye - a return to a Class Pensioner War *.. there are first and second class pensioners, and possibly third class as well... does my power connection that costs me cash just to have it get turned off if I'm away for more than six weeks? Same with gas..... does the company just forego their service fee?

    I thought not......

    * I am the creator of the Bureau of Second Class Pensioners Reality Cheque that went the rounds just before Wee Johnnie got his comeuppance .. and when he was on a rapid fly-through of my electorate a few days before election day, I had the ABC shirt-front him over the issue, and he announced that ALL pensioners would get the Utilities Allowance.... didn't help him in his home seat, though....

    Yes - popular pressure in the media is noted by these people.... and it can work at times....
    Richard
    28th Nov 2016
    9:02pm
    I worked in the UK from age 18 to age thirty. This included seven years with the Royal Navy plus two years reserve time. And I paid income tax.

    I moved to New Zealand and worked there from 1960 to 1978. And I paid income Tax.

    I landed a job in Fiji working for the Electricity Authority, training staff in electronics and radio technology. And I continued paying income tax.

    Then I moved to Australia and started off writing technical manuals for (among others) the NSW fire and Emergency services and still paid income tax.

    Then I joined the Public Service and starting at the bottom I ended up as a Senior Officer in Airservices Australia. And I was still paying income Tax.

    Not a bad record in my opinion and I feel that my contribution to three counties is deserving of some recognition. Don't forget that I was importing my skills to the new country every time I moved.

    Now those clowns in Canberra are telling me that I am liable to lose a part (about two thirds) of my pension because I didn't stay at home in Oz (had I been born here) but worked my way around the world, at my own expense in the main, contributing to each country and learning from each country.

    Thanks Uncle Malcolm. You are all heart.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2016
    9:44pm
    Yes We've noticed he's all Heart too !! :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    28th Nov 2016
    10:47pm
    Ah yes - the portability of pension rights in the global economy... it seems, BonHomme Richard, that you have hit upon yet one more serious fault in this mythical modern structure that demands that we are all equal to the lowest paid serf in Faroffistan or Chindistan.... yet accords to the person forced to accept it no value or virtue in his/her contributions IN that 'global economy'.

    Thank you for raising this pertinent issue...... it now fits well with the prevailing fault that says that the only component of the 'global economy' that has not kept pace is the regulation of corporation and offshore taxes....... coming soon to a theatre near you.....
    LiveItUp
    29th Nov 2016
    6:26am
    I can't see a problem with this at all. If you can afford to go overseas for so long then you can afford to support yourself while overseas.
    TREBOR
    29th Nov 2016
    10:13am
    Seriously? My personal plans don't include any massive cash backup - just taking it from Pension to Pension - on a shoestring...

    Man - you gotta be rich to even think that way....
    particolor
    29th Nov 2016
    11:56am
    Ditto !


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