8th May 2017

Pensioners to get a one-off payment before 30 June

Man switching off power to save money
Debbie McTaggart

In a move to help pensioners cover energy bills over the winter months, a one-off payment will hit the accounts of up to 3.5 million people.

Those on the Age Pension, Disability Support Pension or Parenting Payment will receive $75 for singles and $125 for couples before 30 June this year. The payment is part of a deal struck with crossbench senator Nick Xenophon in return for supporting company tax cuts. 

Confirming the payment yesterday morning, Treasurer Scott Morrison told the Nine Network,  “That’s there to support going into this winter electricity prices.”

“That will be paid out of this year, which means that next year’s budget will be starting without that as part of the schedule.”

The Treasurer also signalled changes to Medicare and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) but wouldn’t go into any detail.

“Hard working Australians haven’t had a pay rise for a long time,” he said.

“When your pay is not going up you’re far more sensitive, rightly so, to things like services like Medicare, you’re also sensitive to things like energy prices, you’re also sensitive to things like cost of childcare.

“We’re acting across all those issues to put downward pressure on the rising costs of living, because we understand that families and households and individuals are under a lot of stress because they haven’t seen the wages going up.”

Mr Morrison also signalled movement on the much-discussed issue of housing affordability. In a poll by the Australian national University (ANU), 84 per cent of respondents believed that housing prices will continue to increase. While this is an issue on which Cabinet ministers have promised action to help those locked out of the housing market, many believe that the Government simply won't be able to deliver any significant change.

"I don't agree with the cynics who say the Commonwealth Government can't make a difference in this area, as I think it can," Mr Morrison said.



In reference to Labor’s push for changes to negative gearing, which have already been ruled out by the Treasurer, Mr Morrison said, "I also don't agree with the cynical opportunists who say that all you have to do is change one tax and then everyone will be able to buy a house where they want."

He said his Budget approach would be comprehensive; reducing pressure on the rental market and making it easier for older Australians to downsize. "It will work with states and territories and address everything from the needs of those who don't even have a roof over their head, to those who are trying to buy one to put over their heads," he said.

"You can't solve housing affordability, but you can do things that reduce the pressure and I think Australians expect governments to do that."

Read more at theaustralian.com.au

Read more at abc.net.au

Opinion: Is $75 enough to help with your energy bills?

Anyone who has received an electricity or gas bill over the winter months will know that $75 will hardly make a dent in the bottom line but let’s be thankful for the gesture, right?

The short-term benefit will be just that, short term. Electricity and gas bills have risen and continue to rise at an alarming rate and despite all the opportunities to shop around for a better deal, or try to use less energy, the reality is that there is very little that can be done to reduce utility bills.

The underlying issue is the supply charge – rather than the rate you pay for the energy you consume. The supply charge is payable regardless of how much energy you use, or the time of day that you use it. This supply charge covers the cost of supplying the power to your home, which means that any maintenance, investment in new equipment or even an increase in staff costs could see this charge rise.

The deregulation of the power industry was supposed to give consumers more choice. While, in most states, you can choose the company that supplies your power, the growth of individual companies essentially means that they have become too powerful (pardon the pun) to hold to account on the charges that cannot be reduced or negotiated on by consumers.

And let’s wait to see the outcome of Malcolm Turnbull’s tough talk on gas supply. Will producers actually boost supply in order to cut the wholesale rate for local users rather than make big profits selling gas offshore?

The $75 will of course be welcomed by pensioners, but surely action on reducing the overall costs of energy bills would be a better long-term outcome?

What do you think? Will $75 make a dent in your energy bills this winter? Do you struggle to keep your bills down over winter? Do you think power companies have too much say in what is being charged for their services? Is the fundamental problem that privatisation replaced the previous state-owned power utilities with large profit-driven companies?

 

 

 

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Trevine
8th May 2017
10:05am
They think they are going to have the pensioners on their side by giving them a measly $75 one off payment. Get ready Mr Morrison and your mob to loose the election.
ourjeffie
8th May 2017
10:24am
So you'll be sending your $75 back?
Idontforget
8th May 2017
11:16am
If pensioners received a one off payment of $1,000.00 to go towards energy costs, many would grumble and moan that it wasn't $1,100.00
Misty
8th May 2017
11:26am
What do you mean Idontforget?, both those amounts are the same.
Idontforget
8th May 2017
11:29am
Misty, a visit to the optometrist should be high on your agenda.
Foxy
8th May 2017
11:30am
lol
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:02pm
I agree Idontforget. Nothing but whingers no matter how much they get. After all they are getting it for nothing other than they failed to provide for their own retirement.
Rainey
8th May 2017
12:18pm
True in many cases, OG, but what of those who tried but were unable to because of crisis, trauma, ill-health, etc.? Just maybe some of those complaining have grounds to gripe?

That said, many self-funded retirees are far worse off in income terms than pensioners, yet will get nothing and pay more for everything. The system is totally stuffed up. It needs a complete overhaul - but that was promised when the assets test changed. Just another broken promise by this stinking mob of fraudsters, and stupid Xenophon didn't have the balls to use his bargaining power to hold them to account.
Misty
8th May 2017
12:35pm
Sorry Idon'tforget, actually I am going to the Optometrist this Thursday, but I read the comment with my old gasses 6 years old as I have misplaced my recent ones.
Jannie
8th May 2017
1:22pm
Old geezer you have been lucky others not so. We less fortunate have had issues to deal with that affected our super savings for the future. Think of others not yourself. We did not have super when we started working as a woman I had a family and therefore did not work for some time only started back again in 2002 and that was after a marriage break down.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:32pm
Nope never had much luck at anything myself. However I have practiced good management all my life and have not needed any luck. No such think as luck as far as I am concerned.

Why couldn't you make money form home while you had a family? That's what we did.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
9:56pm
I'll be keeping my $75 as a down-payment on compensation for the mismanagement of the past forty years...
TREBOR
10th May 2017
3:43pm
Hey!?! Did someone whip the banks over fees? I just got $30 back from them.... might take a cruise.....
yakillinme
8th May 2017
10:14am
Thats about a 15% cut on one bill...not for the year

sad they treat pensioners so bad

and being so many in number we will no doubt remember their generosity at the next election.

Only way to make politics for the people is for the people to take control.

And grey power should lead the revolt.
Virginia
10th May 2017
9:59pm
My God what a waster u are. Turn lights off, close doors, don't leave heaters on when you go out. Use a room that faces the northern sun... Sorry not many houses do that here they forget about using the environment better.
My bills are a lot cheaper.
You treated yourself every day when earning forgetting about the future stop moaning!!!!!
Just like today's kids out all the time diner coffee shows hoildays no wonder they can't get a house retired parents are dying young anymore and they are out spending their hard earnt cash on a life they went without.
Misty
10th May 2017
10:52pm
Who did you address that comment to Virginia?.
Farside
11th May 2017
9:04am
@Yakillinme re "And grey power should lead the revolt.", well sit down and prepare to be shocked – you're dreaming. Roughly 60% of those 65+ have historically voted for the LNP coalition on a two party preferred basis so why would they change the habit of a lifetime?
Misty
11th May 2017
12:07pm
Well they didn't vote that way for the LNP last election did they Farside and maybe next election there will be even less over 65's voting for them judging by a lot of the comments here.
Maggie
8th May 2017
10:18am
Never look a gift horse in the mouth is what I say. I live in a one-bed unit and find that $75 will just about cover the cost of a month's electricity when I average out the cost over a year.

I think we need to try and be a bit more positive when we can.
ourjeffie
8th May 2017
10:26am
I'm with you Maggie
rtrish
8th May 2017
12:41pm
I'm with you, too. Every little bit helps.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:22pm
I am going to be positive, positive that this right out of the Little Johnie Handbook, "How To Buy Votes From The Gullible". Let's hope that people take the money, but treat it as the insult it really is, at the Ballot Box.
As a self funded retiree I will get nothing, but it does not matter as I get a nice healthy payment from my power supplier every quarter. But I still think the offer is insulting.
Beware privatization, it never works out cheaper for the consumer, only the government wins.
grounded
8th May 2017
1:32pm
Totally agree Maggie...all one ever sees on this page is the majority Government that is in office - (yes, even by one seat), being bagged relentlessly by lefty fellow travellers.

It's the Australian Government folks...not some entity from out of space....Try being a little intelligent and have close look at the money pile...a close one...not a pie in the sky, I hate the LNP gaze.

Bill Shorten would be in the same position...and I would at least give him the support he needs to try and figure the problem out...not just incessantly bag for bags' sake....the hallmark of greedy little gimme, gimme more minds...otherwise I will inanely call you the lowest and worst pack of grubs ever to be in Government....Inanely being the operative word!
grounded
8th May 2017
1:32pm
Totally agree Maggie...all one ever sees on this page is the majority Government that is in office - (yes, even by one seat), being bagged relentlessly by lefty fellow travellers.

It's the Australian Government folks...not some entity from out of space....Try being a little intelligent and have close look at the money pile...a close one...not a pie in the sky, I hate the LNP gaze.

Bill Shorten would be in the same position...and I would at least give him the support he needs to try and figure the problem out...not just incessantly bag for bags' sake....the hallmark of greedy little gimme, gimme more minds...otherwise I will inanely call you the lowest and worst pack of grubs ever to be in Government....Inanely being the operative word!
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:28pm
Totally incorrect, grounded - it is not the Australian Government - it is the majority party in the house. In Australia, Government is composed of several strands - the House of representatives, the Senate (both elected), the Public Service (appointed/promoted), the Judiciary (appointed/promoted) ......

The Pie in the Sky here is Jobson Growthe ... a rather vague and undefined, perhaps suffering from Borderline Projection Disorder, individual still lost on sabbatical in Asia and blowing smoke rings in the sky..... he has no fixed abode, few prospects, and definitely is not a marriagable proposition as he now stands..... wandering the mean streets of Asian nations in search of a free ride is no recommendation....
AussieTuca
8th May 2017
10:19am
i feel like a beggar on the street when someone throw a ten cents coin into my hat... and misses it...
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:34pm
Make sure you catch the $100 bill next time then. Don't forget to allow for the wind.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
10:43pm
Just allow a little more for the wind drift.... it'll come to you.... relax, taker a deep breath, exhale, then hold it at neutral on the next breath.... and slowly and steadily squeeze that trigger - don't pull it... you'll be mistaken for a politician if you do...

If it's only a fifty lead it a little more.....
John from Perth
8th May 2017
10:26am
I think this is an insult. Increase the utility allowance. Nick Xenophon might have his heart in the right place but not his head. Why do the unemployed miss out?
Mean while Joe Hockey carries on with his huge $360,000 salary and $90,000 pension and perks.
Wasn't he just a great Treasurer?
john
8th May 2017
11:29am
Well privileged Joe should be doing time for idiocy greed and uselessness. That's Joe's legacy. Just an over fed pig in all ways.

Nick Xenaphon is looking like a fraud, Pauline Hanson is showing her ignorance and teeth. And will fall over once and for all in the end.
As for Morrison well he has Bill Shorten , and as a Labor man I can't trust Bill .ALP need a new leader, and they need to get out of the pockets of the Greens. Who are useless and do not represent the average Australian worker, by the way the Labor party don't seem to do that either, federally.
Only here in WA hopefully, with Mr McGowan.
KSS
8th May 2017
12:21pm
Mr Hockey is no longer in Australia so ha no relevance to this topic.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
10:00pm
So he should not be receiving pension while not living here? Good-O....

He could fairly be classed as a 'remittance man' - he's being paid to keep his dumb head out of this country...
AnneR
8th May 2017
10:34am
Singles, yet again are being badly done by. It takes the same amount of power to heat a room whether it be for one person or two. So in this case, why should singles get less?
PlanB
8th May 2017
10:48am
I was just thinking that too AnnR
HDRider
8th May 2017
10:48am
Very good point, AnneR, I never actually looked at it that way....I guess it can only have something to with equal opporunity or equal rights lol
Teddy
8th May 2017
10:53am
I'm not getting anything as I don't qualify for welfare but I am always amazed how single people apparently live in half a house etc. A good indicator is to look at this site's reworking of the cost of living figures.
KSS
8th May 2017
12:23pm
I too often think singles are hard done by. However, they do only have to heat enough water for one shower or bath for example. Still the difference is greater than that cost.
Gammer
8th May 2017
1:05pm
Yes, AnneR, as a single aged pensioner that exact thought crossed my mind, too.
KSS - I have my water heater set to the exact temperature I need for a shower so I don't overheat it and need to add cold water... however as I have a storage heater type rather than instantaneous I am still having to heat water sufficient for multiple showers even though it isn't needed so I pretty much have the same cost outgoing as a couple would...
sunnyOz
8th May 2017
6:40pm
I recently helped out an elderly neighbour aged 82, after her husband passed away. She was extremely upset as the reality hit - insurance, rates, electricity, rego, petrol - all still the same price as when her husband was alive. BUT - now her pension was cut, and she was really struggling. And certainly no luxurious house or car! (house over 50yo, car nearly 25yo). Helped her find better insurance (for home) - typical elderly person had stayed 'loyal' to her insurance company, but was being massively ripped off. She has totally turned off her air conditioner as she is scared of the power bills, and it really upsets me seeing her on the hot Qld days. Bonus? - now $75 per power bill quarter - THAT would have been a bonus.
What is the most bloody annoying though is the increase in Electricity 'Service charge' - in the past 5 years has increased 283%. They might boast they are holding down power bills, but then jack up the service charge which is now around $150 a quarter.
Jacka
8th May 2017
10:37am
It's a joke, a quarter of one bill. Why don't they abolish the supply charges and incorporate them into the final bill in accordance with electrcity used. Users pay. That would be to fair for the common man. Cheers Jacka.
Misty
8th May 2017
11:30am
You are lucky if that is a quarter of your bill Jacka, mine can be $500.00 a quarter and we have solar as well, won't be much help to me.
Rainey
8th May 2017
12:08pm
Geez, Misty! How do you manage to run up a $500 bill for a quarter with solar? We are heavy users because we have quite a large house, my work involves extensive computer use and my partner watches TV until very late at night, plus we have grandkids for 13 weeks a year, with them watching TV and videos and using computers and constantly wanting to turn the electric oven on to bake cakes. And despite all that our bills average less than $100 a quarter. We do have gas hot water, but otherwise all electric. Before we installed solar, our bills averaged $1000 a quarter. We do make sure to do washing, ironing, etc. during daylight hours, and we've hunted for the best solar rebate available.
Misty
8th May 2017
12:30pm
We have 2 TV.S that are on most of the time, DVD player too recording, underrfloor heating in the winter in family room, our main meal is at night as my son works strange hours and uses the microwave a fair bit, we don't have gas just electricity, my computer is on 24 never goes off, we also have the 2 small grandsons on a regular basis after school and I cook for 10 of us on a Sunday. My son also uses a lot of electricity in the garage workshop with his tools, soon mounts up.
Gammer
8th May 2017
1:06pm
Totally agree with you, Jacka
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Triss
8th May 2017
2:17pm
Heavens, Misty, our TV is off most of the time, we don't watch it during the day and evening TV is mostly garbage. I used to grumble at that but seeing the garbage seems to be saving me money I'll count my blessings.
Rosret
8th May 2017
2:17pm
Misty mine was $500 too. First time ever - but I have a lot of people in the house. However I think it was primarily due to the significant number of very hot days this summer and more price hikes.
I do have solar water but that only made a difference in the early days before all the increases.
The tools do make the meter spin. The computer drains very little power especially if you have an LCD screen.
Misty
8th May 2017
2:39pm
Triss I leave my TV on as I have it on the Sky News channel and I catch the news and political updates as I work around the house, I copy a lot of the old English comedies and 1 game show to watch when there is nothing worth watching I also like some SBS and ABC shows and tape them too if I cannot watch them live. I am listening to the Sky political updates now while I am typing this, they are going through the up coming budget, school funding etc. also saying there may be a levy on the big banks in the budget.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
4:01pm
Who will lose with a levy on the big banks? Anyone with their money in bank accounts. The will simply pay less interest to pay for this levy. Shareholders won't lose as they will keep their bottom line intact.
Triss
8th May 2017
4:34pm
I like the old Brit comedies as well, Misty. Plenty of laughs and no four letter words trying to mask the fact that the comedians and writers have no talent.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
4:51pm
What a waste leaving TV on all day! Mine has a timer so that it can only be used a couple of hours a day and to stop the waste of standby power.

Sky channel is also a paid service that is not good for the budget either.
Misty
8th May 2017
10:56pm
I wouldn't expect anything less from you OG, how does your TV Timer work if you don't have electricity?, and as for Sky News I know it is a luxury but having worked hard all my life, often at 2 jobs at the same time I think I am entitled to a little luxury even though I know you wouldn't agree.
Theo1943
9th May 2017
12:41pm
Misty, you need to manage your power. Turn things off that you're not using/watching. I too have solar but my system is only 3KW. My total power bill for last year was $166.45. All of my lighting is LED. when we moved in 18 years ago our kitchen lights were 240watts, now they arr 30 watts. Bedroom s were 120 watts, now 10 watts. We are not on scheme water so also have to pump all of our water.

Every morning I read my power meter and calculate the cost for the previous day. My total consumption is 25% less than it was 8 years ago.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:24pm
Theo if you turn everything off when not in use the amount you save is so minimal it is not worth the trouble and as for reading the meter every day God DO YOU CALL THAT LIVING IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO THOSE EXTREMES?, I am 80 soon and don't want to spend the rest of my life living like a pauper I live within my means and still give to charities when I can, I cannot stand meaness, Ok be wise about your use of power but to go overboard as some suggest here to save I don't agree with.
PlanB
9th May 2017
2:32pm
OG they will be doing well to pay less interest than they already do now -- bank interest is down to 1.5% unless you are about to get a couple of % as a bonus, but these BASTARDS are STILL deeming us to be getting 3.5% which is downright dishonest! And can also do some people out of a deal of money, as they deem you to be getting much more interest than they are, so the ATO will be right onto people for no reason.
PlanB
9th May 2017
2:36pm
Misty I am with you -- what a way to live -- I have -- or had -- a friend like that mean as was worth about $1.500.000000 but mean as and turning everything off and never using the A/C etc -- well as far as I am concerned they are not worth knowing so I never bother with them now.
Misty
9th May 2017
3:19pm
Theo1943, if you run a medium sized fridge for a year it will cost roughly $100.00, I just Googled, it so how come your power bill is that low for 1 year, did you do very little cooking, washing,showering, vacumning and used candle for lighting?, I don't see how Solar Power would generate that much electricity but then I suppose you could be using gas and wood, coal as alternate means of power too, just interested to see how others save on their power bills, a lot depends on the climate too I guess and the size of your dwelling and the number of people living there.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
6:42pm
Misty - here we have gas, wood fire and electric heating, plus reverse cycle air con. Hot water is the biggie with an electric storage, but it's on off peak.

For cooking there is a gas top and electric oven, for cooling air con and fans and double insulation and I'm re-doing interior walls and insulating as I go, planning to move on to under floor - got some big slabs of foam in the garage waiting to be cut up...
East of Toowoomba
28th Jun 2017
1:42pm
Hi Misty, could your high quarterly electricity bill be due to a problem with your solar panels or inverter.

We have a large house too with 1.7kW solar array and 7 years after moving into the house, we have still not paid an electricity bill. We are not miserly and my husband has a well equipped and well used shed with power tools, compressors, lighting and so forth. We run an electric hot water system. large fridge and chest freezer, plus all the usual kitchen appliances, 2 TVs, air con and as we are on acreage we also run electric pumps for all water and sewerage but have a gas stove/oven.

I also object to the ever increasing Service Charges which are almost equal to the savings generated by the solar panels.
tiger
8th May 2017
10:40am
My last bill(AGL) was $153 and winter bill 2016 was $269 and my Spring bill was $170 so $75 will go a fair way As an OAP I am not complaining.
HDRider
8th May 2017
10:53am
So, where are you located? Is the bill per quarter? and what heating do you have installed? Do you have Solar?
What I am seeing here is a bill compared to mine on the East coast of tassie, and I have 18 x 250w solar panels installed and yes, we get a LOT of solar generated power in Tas believe it or not. (I am a west Aus boy so I am amazed at the power generated here).
tiger
8th May 2017
1:21pm
I am ex-tas left in 1978 live in S.A 1 hour north of Adelaide My bills are all per quarter actually they seem to get cheaper each time. I am on 28% with AGL and the Govt concession on last bill was $54. Turn all stand by power off each night before bedtime. have all energy efficient appliances. No Solar. Have Split System Air-con. Winter is not too cold and not too long. We have a Temperate climate here. frost free. I left Tasmania because of the terrible cold weather. I live quite comfortably on the OAP and therefore am not a whinger when it comes to handouts by the Govt.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:53pm
Good for you....... now, for the other 99% who do not live in the SA wilderness zone....
tiger
8th May 2017
10:40am
My last bill(AGL) was $153 and winter bill 2016 was $269 and my Spring bill was $170 so $75 will go a fair way As an OAP I am not complaining.
Lippy
8th May 2017
10:41am
Ah, the Howard years. Anyone on welfare was getting bonuses just before election time. 2013, BUDGET DISASTER. Let's cut the low income and welfare at the knees, they will be alright. 2017, debt threatens our AAA rating but we can through a little sprinkle to SOME welfare recipients to warm them up over winter. June 30, is this the end of winter now. So if it gets really cold till September, the government is just saying "TOUGH". They can do this out of love.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
10:03pm
Social Security.... Lippy - Social Security.... it says so in the expenditure pie chart..... welfare is the intention of sustaining - Social Security is the means - do not confuse the two and make the mistake of assuming that anyone on Social Security is getting a welfare handout and is thus subject to change without notice or concern.
PlanB
8th May 2017
10:46am
What a laugh -- wouldn't even buy food for a week and nowhere near what my Elect bill is, it will be like the $1000 we got from Howard b4 the GST -- when we should have got a 10% increase in pensions, Morrison is an Ignorant arrogant SOB and if he thinks that will win over pensioner he has another think coming. Makes one wonder just what is in this budget.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
10:04pm
Won't win me over - I'll gleefully accept the bucks and vote another way....
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
10:48am
If we get rid of all the GREENIES and the myth of Global Warming, which became CLIMATE CHANGE when there was no warming for 20 years and bring back coal fired base power our electricity prices would be back where they were EXCEPT you do not build a power station overnight, so we're in for the long haul of electricity price rises. The Climate has always changed and will continue to change no matter what we do about it. India and China will enjoy our wonderful cheap coal and have cheap power.
Teddy
8th May 2017
10:59am
Perhaps the Treasurer could be encouraged to incur some additional 'good debt' to build a few reliable power stations- nuclear or coal.

Oh the happy days of plentiful, reliable cheap energy when those 'stupid' engineers were planning 10-20 years ahead before the system was taken over by accountants and know-all politicians.

New power stations would cut our bills back to 'the good old days' and be the good little money earners they always were in the post war period. We might even generate a few jobs in the industrial sector to replace all the one's following our coal to China and India.
Teddy
8th May 2017
10:59am
Perhaps the Treasurer could be encouraged to incur some additional 'good debt' to build a few reliable power stations- nuclear or coal.

Oh the happy days of plentiful, reliable cheap energy when those 'stupid' engineers were planning 10-20 years ahead before the system was taken over by accountants and know-all politicians.

New power stations would cut our bills back to 'the good old days' and be the good little money earners they always were in the post war period. We might even generate a few jobs in the industrial sector to replace all the one's following our coal to China and India.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
11:35am
Global warming is a myth? Explain the ice melts then!
Build more polluting power stations?
I cannot believe what I am reading.
Do some research!
Misty
8th May 2017
11:44am
The climate has always changed, yes that is true, but not at the rate and destruction to the planet that is going on now, common sense tells you that you cannot pump all that garbage into the atmosphere from factories, power stations, cars, aeroplanes etc and not have an impact on our weather and as for the GOOD OLD DAYS get over it, they are gone forever.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
11:46am
Third world countries like India are actually going more for solar and China is making a big move in this direction as well. Once again, do some research.
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
1:58pm
Lots of research done GrandmaKathleen22 and why do you think Adani wants to build a coalmines in North Queensland.
Take a look at Antarctica and you will see that the Ross Sea area of Antarctica has more ice than any time in history and it is even difficult to get into with the largest of ice breakers. Places like McMurdo Sound that Scott and Shackleton sailed to in little wooden sailing ships in 1900 are now impossible to get to in the largest icebreaker.
Knight Templar
8th May 2017
2:11pm
I agree Slimmer Cat. You may recall that it was predicted that ever increasing price rises of oil and gas would make renewables look good. The opposite has happened. Oil and gas prices have almost halved since 2014 yet our bills keep going up.

Today's high energy bills are the result of climate alarmism and government policies both here and in the UK, US and EU. Subsidies for renewables (solar and wind) are a major contributor to rising costs. Climate alarmism is kept alive by propaganda, censorship, intimidation, scientific fraud, data manipulation, fake statistics and enlisting useful fools.

As for GrandmaKathleen22 " ice melts" comment, you are clearly not aware that the actual surface of Greenland has gained a record 700 billion tonnes of ice this winter. Almost every square inch of Greenland is now covered with ice and snow. There has also been a hiatus in global warming since 1998. Perhaps you should do some research before you blindly criticise others.

Let's not forget that back in the 1970's the same so called experts were talking about global cooling and predicting a new ice age!!
Rosret
8th May 2017
2:26pm
How about instead of "global warming" the words should be "Over population".
We are running out of everything. No other generation of people has watched so may elements disappear from the Earth. From cotton, silk, wood, helium, copper, fish, frogs etc etc and of course our vital fossil fuels are next. Tick tick tick.
No matter what you call it mankind is ruining the earth.
We will die off and a new life form will take our place and the earth will recover.
However what a shame that the most intelligent life form on earth also has the least common sense.
Knight Templar
8th May 2017
4:29pm
Rosret ... I suggest you read Matt Ridley's "The Rational Optimist". I'll quote some of what he has written: "By the middle of this century the human race will have expanded in ten thousand years from less than ten million to an estimated ten billion people. Some of the billions alive today still live in misery and dearth even worse than the worst experienced in the Stone Age. Some are worse off than they were just a few months or years before. But the vast majority of people are much better fed, much better sheltered, much better entertained, much better protected against disease and much more likely to live to old age than their ancestors have ever been". "The average life expectancy has more than doubled and real income has risen more than nine times. The percentage living in such absolute poverty has dropped by more than half - to less than 18 percent."

I believe there is a lot to be positive about. The disappearance of fossil fuels was predicted to occur by the 1930's. Then by the 1970's and again by the 1990's. It hasn't happened - new technology and mining methods have enabled the discovery of gas and oil (shale oil is a good example) deposits worldwide that are estimated to last well into the 22nd century at current consumption rates.

The anticipated rate of fossil fuel consumption may well be exaggerated given the potential of improved technology eg today, a car emits less pollution travelling at full speed than a parked car did in 1970 from leaks. The technological advances in renewable energy will also reduce fossil fuel consumption.

Whilst I agree that over population is a concern (what is the remedy?) you should take comfort in the fact that the future may not be so grim. In 1798 Robert Malthus famously predicted in his "Essay on Population" that food supply could not keep pace with population growth. He was wrong. Take for example all cereal crops together worldwide. In 2005 twice as much grain was produced from the SAME acreage as in 1968. The same applies to all sorts of crops - indeed the EU destroys thousands of tons of fruit, vegetables, eggs and other farm produce every year, in order to maintain artificial high prices. There is currently an abundance of food in developed and developing countries and I believe that this will remain the case for decades to come.
trood
8th May 2017
7:49pm
KT if there is such an abundance of food why is it necessary to torture animals >> battery chickens, sow stalls etc, etc all a disgrace for the human race that breed like cockroaches
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
8:21pm
Arctic sea losses are not cancelled out by Antarctica gains which according to NASA (Parkinson) could either reduce or stay the same whereas Arctic continue to worsen.
There is plenty of evidence to uphold the argument that the planet is heating. A good local example is The Great Barrier Reef. Read the experts on that location.
Overpopulation is definitely a massive factor.
musicveg
8th May 2017
11:44pm
Agriculture contributes more CO2 emissions than anything else. Coal power stations also contribute to health problems too. Everything just goes back to making a dollar, everyone wants to be rich and richer. Greed is what the main problem is in the world.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
10:04pm
John Howard gave nuclear power stations a glowing reference....
TREBOR
10th May 2017
10:45pm
.. a man before his time.......
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:49am
Wow the comments here just show how ungrateful those on welfare really are. Maybe it's time to cut that welfare further with more changes to the OAP. Well over due in my opinion.
Misty
8th May 2017
11:38am
You just can't help yourself can you OG GIVE IT A REST PLEASE.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
11:41am
Nope just stating the facts. The more I read the more I see how ungrateful those on welfare are.
Koj
8th May 2017
11:52am
Ole Windy is like a circus act.... the lion tamer in the cage, prodding the beasts with a stick to get an outraged reaction.
In his case, he hasn't got the excuse of needing to provide entertainment for a circus audience.
Me? I just hope one day something brings ole windy down to where he feels the pain.... or alternatively that one day the local lions eat him.
And if he bleats about being victimised? Hard to feel sympathy for a reptile with a heart of stone.
Anyone for a game of darts using the ole windy dartboard?
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:00pm
I already feel the pain when I have to pay for tax bill each year to support such ungrateful welfare rodents.
Rainey
8th May 2017
12:28pm
You have no idea what pain is, OG. You are just a mean-spirited selfish, self-serving narcissist - totally incapable of human emotion,
Lippy
8th May 2017
1:07pm
Are you undercover Old Geezer aka PM, M.T. ONE THING, don't think it could NEVER happen to you. Could you survive day to day on what you call "Ungrateful people" if you didn't have what you have AT THE MOMENT. I will answer that for you and that is NO. If you haven't been down that road full of potholes struggling to fine a smooth surface to enjoy, when we no longer hear your pathetic remarks will no your number is up and can't face reality.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:30pm
Want to inflict some pain on OG, just stop responding to his nonsense, it quite obvious he is just doing it to get attention. Nobody could be so far out of touch. At heart he is just an overgrown three year old who is starved of love. Like most three year olds who throw a tanty he needs to be ignored.
Want to see him perform, "Hey O.G the Pension is a benefit, it is not welfare".
Rae
8th May 2017
1:51pm
Yes OG learning to economise and save money seems beyond most people. Let's leave everything on, spend a pile on food and let the taxpayers and savers pick up the tab for it.

The food courts and cafes and clubs are full every day with pensioners eating out and complaining of how very poor they all are and badly done by.

Reminds me of a business I ran where the workers just went into the store and bought a new whatever on my account because they couldn't be bothered putting tools away or looking too hard for them.

Once again I won't get anything.

But I can feed a family of four very well for less than $50 a week. I turn off stuff too and my quarter bill is less than $200.

That's how I managed to save for my own retirement.

Some call it luck but luck had nothing to do with it. I call it discipline.

Yes I'm not usually this harsh but my self funding isn't much more than the pension and I get absolutely nix from the government. I pay taxes too on some of the income.

This payment has totally pissed me off. I didn't get the $550 either. Possibly why I'm careful and don't waste electricity.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
2:14pm
Yes been down a road full of pot holes Lippy and fallen in most of them. Not a problem when you know how to get out of them. No smooth surfaces for me at all.

Rae I agree you learn to economise and then it becomes difficult not to. I read about how much food people waste and just shake my head in disbelief. We order one meal plus a second plate now because we simply can't eat a meal each. The amount left on plates is so wasteful.

OAP is welfare and not just a benefit. It is only paid to those who have no other means of payment.
Triss
8th May 2017
2:24pm
Hey, OG, exPS was right.
Misty
8th May 2017
2:51pm
How on earth can you feed a family of 4 on $50.00 a week or less Rae?, I buy as many specials as I can but I spend well over $300.00 a week for my family of 3, we do have animals to feed as well and my family all come home for Sunday lunch, 10 of us as they live close by and I have my 2 small grandsons visiting regularly. Milk and bread alone for 7 days would cost about $24.00 and then you need vegies, fruit, meat and all the other bits and pieces, flour spices, herbs, sauces, oils, butter/margarine, I don't think many people could live well on $50.00 for 4 people without scrimping and going without a treat occasionally.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:01pm
We are all healthy Misty. I grow vegetables and herbs, chillies etc and a few fruit trees. I buy in season at farmers markets and process and store the food. I'm alone now but the four was when the kids were home. A chicken, I bought one for $4.20 last week provided a meal, next days sandwich for lunch and a veggy and chicken soup next evening.

I use chuck for stews and meat pies with vegetables or herbs added. Stir fries are pretty inexpensive and tasty.

Snacks were wheatbix and vita wheat or home made plain cake. Yes I bought fruit. In season. i'd grow melons as well. I have an egg, slice of toast and fruit or a juice and fruit smoothie for breakfast.

I also make my own pizza. A lasagne of lentils or soy bean base is delicious and only 80cents a can.

Vegetables layered and baked also is a favourite.I also use nuts and though expensive go a long way if not overly indulged in. Some of the Southern European forage meals are simple, cheap and delicious.

The odd caught tucker also helped. Fishing was a backup and fish frozen if we caught a lot.

We fasted one day every week as a health aid. It's debatable but works for me. I need no pills and am rarely ill. Have the bone density of a 40 year old. We rarely snacked between meals.

Two older people should be able to eat quite well cheaply. Eating product in season and using less meat.

I still indulge in the odd nice cut of steak or lamb. Goat is my favourite but it is hard to come by here. Possibly available in Sydney if you know where to go.

Most people eat too much. I still use grandmas old small dinner plates. We didn't go hungry and we aren't overweight either or underweight.

The recipes I use are in the Hopewood Diet except for the meat. The Homewood diet is vegan.

The most expensive ingredient is coconut oil and the nuts.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
5:01pm
Agree Rae food costs are not a big cost to us either. $300 for 3 people seems very excessive to me. If we have guests a tin of lentils added to a spag sauce makes it go twice as far.
Misty
8th May 2017
8:19pm
OG now I have heard everything with that statement above, although I think you are just trying to take the mickey out of everyone, no one could surely be that mean as to offer such an insulting meal to a guest.
Misty
8th May 2017
8:24pm
Well good on you Rae it seems you really can manage on $50.00 a week, I couldn't live such a spartan existence, I am afraid I like a light beer occasionally or a wine and we do have sweets on Sunday but I do admire people who can live this healthy way.
Triss
8th May 2017
9:56pm
Heavens, OG, a tin of lentils is very extravagant. Cook your own lentils from scratch, much cheaper and healthier.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:11pm
Why not Misty? What is wrong with such a meal? I have also given guests chicken noodle soup made out of the left over bones from a roast chicken boiled up to make a nice stock. I also catch rabbits and stew them up too.

We also brew our own lime, lemon and ginger beers which our guests just love. Citrus will be ripe soon so it's time to cook up our own jams.

Aldi also have this awesome red wine at under $5 a bottle which is great to drink and add to cooking. They also have a port that if you leave for about 12 months to mature tastes wonderful. Great to bring out around a camp fire and people think you have a very expensive port.

Had guests a couple of days ago and made an awesome curry using some bones I got cheap from a butcher. They loved it served over our own potato bread.

If you make things from scratch not only do they taste better but are so much cheaper than pre made. Nothing nicer than home made bread rolls and pizza bases. We make and cook all our cakes and biscuits too. Nothing tastes worse than bought cake.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:31pm
Well OG those multiple businesses you say you own cannot be doing very well if that is all you can provide for your guests, probably by candlelight too if you are disconnected from the power, what a way to live can't think of anything worse, you and Bonny should get together you would make a great couple or maybe you are already.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:33pm
Another thing OG how do you cook and bake if the power is turned off?, tell me please.
PlanB
9th May 2017
2:40pm
Old Geezer, for heaven's sake, go bag your head you are such a nasty ignoramus and have no empathy for anyone if you have never done it hard then think yourself lucky, although if easy living turns a person into someone like you -- I am glad for the tough times I have had.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:36pm
Obersturmbahnfuhrer Geezer has the Master Plan - strip all pensioners of assets, put them on a specific purchases card for food only (would you believe a guy came onto another forum suggesting that Social Security should be in the form of a limited purchase card @ $400 a month? Must be an Indian who thinks this is luxury!!), make their pension a debt for life, and legislate that they receive no life-sustaining medical intervention, but be allowed to pass on....

Now there is a man you could vote for! In your dreams....

Today he owns no houses but positively gears some, has $400k in assets and derives $80 pa from them without tax or tax concession....

Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'! Or one of the greatest rorters this nation has ever seen.... I lean towards OG being the delusional troll myself...
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:00am
Aha - Rae - so your vegie gardens cost you nothing to run?

I have vegie gardens, always have had and always will.... last Summer they cost heaps due to the need for water and the new house has no water tanks.... then the bugs got into the tomatoes and the spinach... the humidity and heat nearly killed the beans... the lemon tree is just coming good, but the zucchinis and squash (both of which I hate) did very well... when will my lime tree bear fruit? (damned new gardens in a new house).. peas are looking good for Autumn/Winter...

Mind you, I'm planting banana trees (I also hate bananas but the plants suck up water from the soggy yard), passion fruit and grapes along the back fence - the local pre-school is welcome to them... bananas for morning tea... sounds all right to me for those kids....
East of Toowoomba
28th Jun 2017
2:09pm
I don't know how you can tell who's a pensioner, who is self funded, and who is working OG. One person did say he was not complaining with his lot as an AOP, and not too many of the rest have complained, but of those who have, how can you tell if they are self supporting or not?

I think you tend to do a lot of the whinging yourself actually.
Jannie
8th May 2017
10:50am
The $75 is a help but I will still have to use the gas for my heating sparingly, guess all we can do is dress warmly and wear a beanie to keep the heat in the body. At least I heard that they are going to cut overseas handouts, that I agree with.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
12:15pm
We cannot afford to think like that. Overseas aid is so important. It has already been cut. Children in Syria for example need the help and compassion of the world.
We need to be more of a global world than national as people are connected and mobile.
Jannie
8th May 2017
12:54pm
GrandmaKathleen22 you have rocks in your head. We cannot possibly keep giving to these countries who are full of corruption the governments of these countries need to be held accountable for their own. There are too many in this world that are needy and we cannot any longer support this especially now that our country is going backwards we have people sleeping on the streets and so many needy children. The world is over populated and sorry to say the numbers need to be culled. Wake up do gooders we cannot help everyone in overseas countries time for the world to stand up and make governments accountable for their own people not depend on other countries who are also going backwards and have their own natural disasters, nobody helps us other than the USA. Stop this feeling sorry for others in other countries they are waring against themselves we are bringing them here and down the track they will be waring here too.
Triss
8th May 2017
2:30pm
Unfortunately, GrandmaKathleen22, Foreign Aid has been lazily administered. Throwing money at a country makes sure it doesn't get to the people who need it. A better idea would be to pay when a project, or part, is completed.
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
2:30pm
If countries in the middle east do not support their own WHY should we support them. They have OIL DOLLARS and are in a better financial position than Australia is but do not support people who have more in common with them than we have.
Misty
8th May 2017
2:55pm
Just look at all that opulance in Abu Dhabi, gold trimmings everywhere and I don't think they donate to other Arab countries do they?, does anyone know?..
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
3:08pm
They certainly do not take in refugees who are the same religion as themselves, however if they did the refugees might have to work for a handout so better to head to Europe, UK or Australia.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
3:27pm
I don't have rocks in my head as so rudely put. If comparisons are to be made about what countries help the world's poor and homeless then it should be with countries like U.K. and they are doing a lot more than we are.
We have reduced and reduced our financial assistance to a point where it is extremely low.
What is possibly being suggested now is reducing staff which is a backdoor way of reducing our contribution further.
It is about humanity not us and them or some other country should do more. Of course they should and so should we.
Any child suffering anywhere is a global problem.
musicveg
9th May 2017
12:04am
I agree Grandma K, if we don't help them in their own country it only contributes to more refugees. Children are innocent victims of war and famine. Makes you wonder if the shoe was on the other foot would you not want help from someone better off?
Oldie84
8th May 2017
10:54am
I'd much rather stop those people who make electricity so expensive. Wind and Solar don't cut it. Emission trading scheme is just another cost, coal and gas we have plenty of but are not allowed to use it. Nuclear is a no-no. Not only are your bills high but it is going to get worse. Just wait until business after business shuts down or re-locates overseas. Then you'll have something to complain about.
Teddy
8th May 2017
11:02am
I traveled on the train on Sunday with a collection of placard holders advocating 'no gas' so there really is no point in putting the squeeze on the gas exporters as we won't be allowed to use that either.
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
11:20am
It costs more to produce wind mills than the energy they produce and just wait till there life span of 25 years is over and they have to be demolished. We are headed back to the late 1940's when power was rationed and in our area we had a blackout ever Tuesday and Thursday night from 6.00 pm to 9.30 pm for years but we all knew it would get better as the Electricity Commission of NSW had been formed and were in the midst of building good black coal base load power stations. There was nothing the matter with the "good old days". As they say what came before candles and the answer is electricity.
Misty
8th May 2017
11:37am
Well electricity is supposed to be going up by about $500.00 a year from July so things will only get worse.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
11:47am
Easy fixed. Don't use electricity and have it disconnected. Do you really need it anyway?
Misty
8th May 2017
12:10pm
What planet are you living on OG?, i live in the Snowy Mountains and we get -10 on a regular basis in the winter, OF COURSE WE NEED ELECTRICITY.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:20pm
I can live for weeks without it myself and I certainly wouldn't live in the Snowy Mountains. In fact I'm off to North Queensland soon and won't need it the whole time I am away.
Misty
8th May 2017
12:38pm
Are you camping in a tent OG somewhere in the boondocks?.
Rosret
8th May 2017
12:56pm
Yes, 83 however it isn't just the renewable energy fraternity.
When each consecutive State wanted to sell off their companies the price of electricity went up to guarantee the buyer of a high return.
Then once in private ownership they have bled the electricity system of every cent of profitability without investing on maintenance and improvement.
I have no idea, from a military defence strategy, why private companies are allowed to own our utilities and even worse allow an entire State to become incapacitated when a storm knocks down a few high tension wire poles.
Once upon a time, not very long ago, we lived in a country where utilities were affordable to offer equality to all and for businesses to prosper.
Increase the cost of power and businesses suffer and so does the community. The government wants wage growth and yet businesses can't pay more in wages if their bottom line doesn't improve.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:02pm
Nope got something a little better than a tent for my travels.
Rainey
8th May 2017
1:03pm
I wanted to disconnect from the grid when we installed solar but it's not permitted. If you have power lines going with a given distance of your house, you are compelled to connect and pay the supply fee. I often wonder what they would do if I defaulted on a bill. They say they will cut off supply, but I'll bet they will find some other way to screw me over.
Rosret
8th May 2017
1:17pm
Rainey, the power generated from your solar panels is theirs. I think you will find you won't be able to extract the power from your panels if your power is cut off.
Water is the same. If they provide water you must be connected. However you can buy a tank.
Maybe you could run two electrical systems. A base line system for them and the rest for you.
There are a handful of people who 'own' the world and they aren't going to give ,we the people, independence.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:39pm
No Rainey you can disconnect yo power at any time. They have told you porkies on this one I'm afraid. I have had many vacant houses with no power connected.

Water is different as it is under different legislation.
P$cript
8th May 2017
8:46pm
OG I noticed you are a liar, as to continue to put stupid comments on this site you need electricity.
Bonny
9th May 2017
7:39am
I also travel this great country and can go for weeks without electricity as you simply don't need it connected to live well so OG is right.
Old Geezer
9th May 2017
9:48am
Wrong P$cript I don't need electricity connected to live well. That's just what the electricity providers want you to believe.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:04am
You can have a switch system that provides for your own first, then feeds the residue back in... apparently it's all in the power box that is coming out this year for free.....

You can, for instance, run your A/C in summer first and then feed the rest back... since you don't use A/C 24/7, you can gain a bit. I think the guy quoted on a 3.5 hp system.. he must have class - he adores my niece's daughter, and rightly so.... put in a word for him...
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:05am
OG has a gas lantern....
HS
8th May 2017
10:54am
Wow...a whole 0.21 cents per day over the next 365 days.
KB
8th May 2017
10:56am
Any help is greatly appreciated . Electricity companies rip us off with their charges. What about the unemployed as there are many genuine families doing it tough. Still the help will not make me vote liberal.
Rene
8th May 2017
11:02am
I live in Ministry of Housing, so they will take there 25% out of it, before I get it....I have a heat bank in my unit, my power cost around $700+ running it on its lowest heat setting through winter, for one person, I would leave it off except I suffer with 2 different arthritis's, struggle to walk at the best of times, I would seize up completely if I wasn't warm.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
11:41am
Yes, keeping warm is very important.
My hands are agony if they get cold.
It is not something you can afford to economise with...,
Rosret
8th May 2017
1:01pm
Head down to the bowlo when it opens. Find a nice seat near the TV and have a very looooong cuppa with friends. :)
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
2:15pm
Sit in your car in the sun and read the paper you will soon warm up.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:05pm
Haha OG I actually do that. Only I read a library book instead. Nothing like a red car in the sunshine for warming you up.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:06am
You've never been cold, OG - I once finished a stint in a damned cold place, lasting nearly a year, and vowed I would never be cold again... you have no idea what it's like going out night after night in an icy climate...
HDRider
8th May 2017
11:03am
In a move to help pensioners cover energy bills over the winter months, a one-off payment will hit the accounts of up to 3.5 million people.
Now this is what we look at really, all those peeps get either $75 or $125, wow, that's a lotta dollars!
A whole lot more sense would be to reign in these power companies and say, ENOUGH is ENOUGH!
we pay a lot for power, but when WE sell power back to the company via Solar for instance, they set their own price on that also with Govt blessing. Oh yes, one can get batteries and say up U to the power company, but, we were tricked with solar in the first place.
I'm happy with $75, but I'd be a lot happier if these wealthy pollies would grab the power company bosses by the nuts and sqeeze hard and make them reduce consumer prices.
crazypete
8th May 2017
1:02pm
I very much agree with you but the government does not care about anyone but them selves, they may say that they are going to do this and that but nothing will be done as it is just them trying to make them seem good and it is only on paper hat burns.
jackie
8th May 2017
11:15am
This is shut-up money. Regulating the utility companies would be taking real and genuine action.
Rosret
8th May 2017
1:02pm
Yep.
Rae
9th May 2017
8:00am
Yes jackie and it won't be pensioners that are cause the most trouble over this price gouge. It will be factories becoming unviable at those energy prices, shutting down and causing untold misery to employees. Once they fold they rarely come back on line.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:40pm
Well - wouldn't higher manufacturing and retail power bills be a way to reduce pressure on costs of living?

(yardle, yardle, yardle)....
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
11:16am
It is better than nothing. It will help in the short term. It will mean a boost to a lot of people. Pensioners living fortnight to fortnight will appreciate it.
The issue with the gas going overseas and leaving Australia short is more of a concern. Electricity prices going up is very concerning.
What they are up to about chemist expenses for pensioners worries me.
I am also concerned for people with children being faced with additional costs for education.
$125 is appreciated by me as every bit helps. I look to save one dollar at a time.
Jannie
8th May 2017
1:00pm
So you still want to give more to overseas aid??????
Rosret
8th May 2017
1:20pm
Jannie, not really relevant to this topic, however, overseas aid stops war from coming to our front door. Apart from the compassionate aspect it is the best form of peaceful defence any nation can apply.
Sharing and equality it a good thing.
Chrissy L
8th May 2017
11:21am
This gives me back seven and half weeks of the money they have already ripped off my part pension. Sorry Mr Morrison you are still winning and I am losing. You need to do better than this to keep my vote at the next election.
john
8th May 2017
11:23am
I have air conditioning in this state we have to. My summer energy bill was $598.00, I have solar panels, that is a 61 day bill.
$598 DOLLARS, by the way, I do not have a pension , or a health card although I've applied for it, and this is the second time, so I won't get 75 cents let alone 75 dollars, its an 8th of my bill anyway, I may as well send it back if I got it, but to ourjeffie, I'd say you have no idea and whoever gets that money will need it pretty badly , BUT IT WILL NOT FIX A THING, nor will it get votes let me tell you.
Merlo
8th May 2017
11:26am
If the Liberal Government believes this will get the pensioners on side they are living in a fantasy world. A miserable amount of money such as this is has made me more determined than ever not to vote or give preferences to Libs ever again!
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
11:43am
Just shows the more people get for nothing the more they want.
Rosret
8th May 2017
1:09pm
Ah but if you don't appreciate the Government's pennies then they won't give any at all.
I actually don't think its a political ploy but rather a response to the desperation of so many due to a rise in the cost of living without a rise in the pension rates.
After helping a pensioner I watched every cent being spent on pension day because the brain doesn't work so well anymore I am inclined to think allowances aren't such a bad thing for some.
bumper
8th May 2017
11:36am
I think it is a downright slap in the face for retirees, who does Morrison think he is, he slashes my pension in half just because we scrimped and saved and went without holidays and flash cars so that we could have a reasonable lifestyle in retirement then throws a measly $125 at us thinking I will doff my cap and say than you Sir! The sooner a greypower is formed the sooner we will get these people out of power in the next election. Furthermore I don't see these politicians giving up their tax perks on their multiple negative gearing properties!!
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
11:42am
Gee we are ungrateful!
Rainey
8th May 2017
12:12pm
I agree wholeheartedly, Bumper. This government is disgusting and we need them OUT as soon as possible. Xenophon is a blithering idiot to agree to this sick deal.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:16pm
Just shows how much influence the independents are having. Causing more trouble than there are worth. Simply not worth having.
Misty
8th May 2017
1:24pm
This Govt is Xhenophobic.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:38pm
The government will never listen to the retirees, most of them have been voting the same way for 40 years out of habit, the politicians know that we are not likely to change the way we vote so they feel it is safe to ignore us.
Just look at the statements on this site made by so called wise seniors. A lot of them have not made a conscious decision on who they voted for in decades, they just automatically vote for the tribe they always have.
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
1:46pm
I don't know why the government gives welfare recipients anything extra - all they do in complain that the extra is not enough.
Triss
8th May 2017
2:44pm
If people never complained or bitched, Slimmer Cat, the wheel wouldn't have been invented yet.
Besides, I reckon complaining is cathartic.
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:45pm
This has nothing to do with welfare - it is about pensioners getting a bit to help with rising costs.... Pension is Social Security, not welfare, and they receive from the Social Security budget.

There is no 'welfare' budget apart from the donations by government to charities... and pensioners are not charity cases, but are receiving a less than just reward for many years of contribution to this nation.

If it were just, the pension would be AWE....

Thank you all for coming.
Misty
8th May 2017
11:47am
$75.00 a quarter would have been more of a help, with electricity going up in July this will go nowhere.
Misty
8th May 2017
11:47am
$75.00 a quarter would have been more of a help, with electricity going up in July this will go nowhere.
MICK
8th May 2017
11:56am
$75 given with one hand and new (higher) charges coming in with the other. This is a scam. Oh yeah, Greg Hunt: "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax". There hasn't been a Carbon Tax for 4 years Malcolm so please explain why your government allows the above to happen again and again and again.
Gas prices. Another area this country has been sold out by successive coalition governments. We have heaps of the stuff but ALL of it has been sold offshore. Now we hear the constant drone from the same despots about fracking. Destroying valuable farming land is ok to satisfy the election donating energy giants.
Whilst I do not support Labor I can see that this government has no right to be in power. As I keep saying the nation means nothing to this bunch who repeatedly betray us all for their business interests.
The one off payment is a sham intended to distract Australians from the increase in electricity prices. If nothing else it will hasten the uptake of renewable energy. I for one won't be feeling sorry for the power companies. They deserve their fate.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:16pm
MICK the high prices are being used to subsidise Chinese companies power in China. Or so I read. Also in NSW Fair spent $16 billion gold plating the grid for an $11 billion sale. Figure that out. There must have been some pretty fancy deal fees and charges. Now remind me where is he now working?

Putting bankers in charge of taxpayer assets and contracts is fraught with great danger regardless of what party they belong to they all seem to work for their own interests and those of the financial system.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:17pm
Not Fair, Baird...spellcheck strikes again.
heemskerk99
8th May 2017
6:12pm
great to see the masked labor indentity is still with us, when is the big day you will announce to take the mask off and to been shown to be shorty billy!
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:10am
Herr Geifreiter Heemskerk - you are incorrect hier.... das Mick iss ein Australander through and through...

Ahhh.. Blackbaird..... corporate pirate.... arrrgh!!
don
8th May 2017
11:57am
For a country that is suppo
sidly broke now they they giving you money.??
Triss
8th May 2017
2:53pm
No, Don, that's the red herring, that's government spin to drive a wedge between OAPs and non-OAPs. People are now bitching about $75.00 handouts to pensioners which will cost the budget $260 million and ignoring the company tax cuts which will cost the budget $24 billion.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:19pm
I also though that Triss. And perhaps between OAP and SF retirees who have been really shafted the last few budgets.
Triss
8th May 2017
4:42pm
Yes, Rae, there is too much of a gap between OAPs and SF retirees when it comes to a bit of useful help.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:12am
Well - someone with a super fund can spot $300k into it from selling their house and down-sizing.. a pensioner can spot $300k into a bank and lose some of pension, while the super fund owner gains more....

You miss that one? If you've got a heap already... we've got more! If you haven't? Well.. there's the door!
maelcolium
8th May 2017
11:57am
Jeffie, it was a condition of the Xenephon team to pay this for passing the small Corporate tax cut legislation in the Senate. Morrison jumped at the opportunity because it opens the door to amending that legislation to global corporates further down the track - like after the next election. Xenaphon was plain dumb and demonstrates the lack of grey matter in that particular party. The amount involved is a joke, but the idea that the X Team would support bad legislation by pork barrelling pensioners just demonstrates the low depths of politics in this country.
ray from Bondi
8th May 2017
12:00pm
if the government gives anything they know they are gaining far more in the long run, it has always been my philosophy to run when any government official says they are doing something for me.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:14am
Take the money and then run..... walk a mile in their shoes.. they'll never catch you in bare feet....
shirboy
8th May 2017
12:07pm
I consider myself lucky to be living here on the Central coast close to ocean as the climate is kind all the year. I therefore do not use much heating during our Winter. I do feel sorry for people that live in the cooler areas as I realize they must spend more on heating.
Charlie
8th May 2017
12:11pm
This IS an extra $75 isn't it. Not part of my age pension just paid in advance?

I live in the tropics and have already had my largest electricity bill for the year air conditioning, so this will have to be saved for Christmas.

This pays 12.5% of my quarterly energy bill, add my communications bill and its 9.2%. Over the full year it helps me with 2.3% of my electricity and communications.

In terms if assistance its about the cost of getting a nail pulled out of a tire and a plug put in.
GrandmaKathleen22
8th May 2017
12:19pm
People are not mentioning how this came about. It was a deal made by Xenophon to support the government giving tax breaks to big companies. Maybe we should not be getting this money anyway and Xenophon should not be enabling companies to pay less tax?!
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:23pm
Companies will actually pay more tax as the company tax rate falls so it was an excellent move by the government. I'd like to see company tax cut to 15% myself. Then the economy will recover.
Misty
8th May 2017
12:43pm
Of course you would OG after all you say you run multiple companies and didn't you say previously you shifted then offshore?.
Rainey
8th May 2017
12:56pm
What utter garbage OG. You live in la la land! Lower tax rates simply means companies pay less. They will still duck, weave and dodge any way they can to reduce further. Ultimately, most pay next to nothing and all pay far less than their fair dues.
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
1:49pm
Once the US cuts company tax to 15%, Australia is in deep s..t unless it cuts company tax. Why would you run a company in Australia and pay 28% tax when you could move to the US and pay 15%. Not only companies but our best and brightest will follow them and they are the BIG tax payers in the community.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
2:31pm
There is talk of an August mini budget to change the company tax to 15% after the US cuts theirs to 15% to save us from deep trouble.
Misty
8th May 2017
2:59pm
The USA tax may be lower then ours but they have a different system so you can't compare the 2.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
5:15pm
As a multinational company I'd much prefer to pay 15% tax instead of 30% anywhere in the world.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:18am
All companies are always welcome to not operate here, Slimmer and OG - someone else will take up their market share and fling it in their faces....

You go function anywhere you like, OG - but you don't get a look-in here without paying your dues.

The US system is a graduated one in which the more a company earns, the more they pay. No comparison, and I've shown you the links before.
KSS
8th May 2017
12:32pm
What a lot of ingrates many here are. Surely $75 is more that you would have had last week. We tax payers do not have to pick up liability for all your bills. This is a help so at keadt show some gratitude. Seems like whatever us offered is never enough.

As for the future of power prices, the sooner Australia adopts nuclear power the better. The Greens aided and abetted by Labor would have everyone go back
to the middle ages except you won't be able to cut trees down for firewood. And the Libs are too busy selling everything off to the highest bidder.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
12:41pm
There have been plans for 4 nuclear power plants on the eastern seaboard for years now.
Misty
8th May 2017
12:44pm
Australia will never go Nuclear too much opposition.
PlanB
8th May 2017
12:59pm
OG if you knew what the hell you were talking about, you show your ignorance by even mentioning nuclear power -- when you surely MUST know what damage it has already done to the planet and it STILL doing and even the amount it costs to set plus the amount of time to set up --up with a life span of 40 years ! --PLUS the waste of which there is NO SAFE answer for, wake up!
Misty
8th May 2017
1:26pm
Germany is closing down some of their nuclear plants.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:42pm
Nuclear Plants are expensive to build, expensive to decommission properly and proven to be dangerous when things go wrong. I would want to see a lot of improvements before agreeing to have one in my back yard.
Fuckosheema is still leaking radiation into the sea.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:43pm
Japan had restarted a lot of theirs. PlanB do you realise that our earth has one big nuclear power plant in the form of a sun? It warms up the earth and we have global warming and it cools down the earth and we have an ice age.
Teddy
8th May 2017
4:14pm
The UK has built the largest nuclear power station ever constructed. I do not recall that the UK has ever had any mishaps. Like Australia they are not in a geologically unstable area and I am fairly sure they are not commercially managed.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:22pm
Yes OG but the sun isn't pumping tons of nuclear waste into the Pacific Ocean on a daily basis. Nuclear technology isn't fool proof and humans are pretty foolish at times.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:35pm
Not too far off it though with all the skin cancers people get these days from sun exposure.
musicveg
9th May 2017
12:17am
So where do you want the nuclear waste stored?
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:21am
Ahh - plans, committees, more plans, modifications, calls for expert opinions, more plans, social impact studies, environmental impact studies ... more plans to suit changing technology ... another committee.......

One day the unicorn of nuclear power here might fly........ in the meantime, many overpaid and over-rated personages are earning big dollars for essentially doing nothing, and certainly for no result.

Welcome to the Real World Of Expert Opinion and Pursuit of Policy...
PlanB
8th May 2017
12:47pm
$75 these BASTARDS would spend 6 times that much on one bottle of Champagne, who the hell do they think they are fooling -- scum the lot of them!
Jannie
8th May 2017
1:18pm
Agree PlanB they need to curb their own spending and also the pension they receive is far greater than ours it needs to be equalised see if they can live on the aged pension rate we get. Overseas aid needs to be slashed also.
Katie
8th May 2017
12:48pm
I think all you people should come to live in North Queensland! We are lucky to get a week or two of lovely cooler weather where we might have to wear a cardigan and take an umbrella when we go out! Summer is our expensive time when we run air conditioners and fans. Even so, one can be very careful to switch off all appliances when not in use (even the computer and TV) $75 will be very welcome here at my little unit.
PlanB
8th May 2017
1:04pm
Katie if I lived in Nth QLD I would have the A/C on cold the whole time -- here in NSW we had a summer of 35s and over most of the time -- I LOVE the tropical look of Nth QLD but no way could I live there.

I always record everything I watch -- that way NO adds --so I can not switch off the TV etc -- going around switching off everything and the inconvenience it causes is not worth the effort -- I have a Friend that does that and it is a real PITA for the few $ it might save them
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:30pm
Put everything on timers instead.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:48pm
Solved my problems with Solar Power, I get a nice commission every quarter, am I the only one who can get Solar to work for them, surely not?
It has proven to be a problem solver for me, just took a little research and foresight, but then again I never have and never will listened to naysayers, I like to think for myself.
The solutions are there, it's just that for political reasons, no one wants to use them.
Misty
8th May 2017
3:03pm
How does that work ex PS, your commission every quarter for solar power?, now the feed in tariff has been reduced to 6c or maybe 10c if you can get a good deal that won't reduce your bill by much.
ex PS
9th May 2017
9:55am
As I said Misty, research and foresight, my contract guarantees me a 0.44 cent feed back price until 2025. Instead of renewing my car I kept it for a couple more years and spent the money on something that actually made money.
I put everything I save into an investment account and will have enough to buy a battery storage device once the contract runs out.
I saw the feed back price was going to be renegotiated and pushed through my contract with the supplier one day before the old scheme ended. Like I said research and foresight.

I admit it is harder now, but with batteries becoming more efficient and affordable there is no reason more people can't go off grid and by pass the power companies.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:39pm
Where do you live exPS, I rang around and emailed all the power companies and the most I could get was 10 cent feed in tariff with one company and a freeze on the power price for a year which I have gone with as power prices in NSW are due to go up in July.
ex PS
9th May 2017
10:15pm
I live in Queensland and signed up with my supplier just before the state voters had a failed experiment putting an ex-Army officer as Premier. When I signed up the feedback tariff was 0.44 cents, and for me it will be the same till 2025.
I have had my contract for about 4 years. If the LNP government hadn't got in and gone anti green power we would not have to worry about new power stations, most people would be almost self sufficient.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:22am
Mad dogs and Liberal Men go out in the Midday Sun.....
TREBOR
10th May 2017
6:48pm
You mean put everything on old-timers, don't you, OG? They're the whipping people for today, ripping off the young of their fair place in the warm sun doing nothing for mega-bucks, as we taught them

Well - not all of us - my son is a tradie and often works seven days. My daughter is currently working on a film on the Gold Coast and has a fine work ethic, too...
crazypete
8th May 2017
12:58pm
A one of payment of $75 whoop y dodo, My last elec bill was $600 no $75 of that leaves $525 so g that makes it so affordable so the pensioners we be able to go out for a nice meal what a laugh. it's about time the Government get of their back sides and earn their living instead of going on holidays and wasting tax money on them selves but that is impossible as they do not have any brains anyhow. They sell everything off so that the private owners from overseas make money for their own country anyhow and not here.
Maggie
8th May 2017
2:49pm
Heavens! Where do you live? How many rooms do you heat/cool? How much cooking and washing and ironing do you do? Sounds like an investment in more insulation might help.

I have friends who have children still living at home. They pay their way.
Sevi
8th May 2017
1:15pm
It's even worse in WA as there is only one Electricity Company for private homes, the climb rate of increases are a disgrace
old fart
8th May 2017
1:36pm
I paid $2,000 for a 1.5 KW Solar unit 4 years ago & have saved $5,000 to date. My average daily cost for electricity is $1 per day, so $125 will be very handy. PS I still get a feed in tariff of $0.51 for the next 9 years (living in SA). Solar was the way to go back then, unfortunately the feed in tariff on NEW Solar systems is only $0.06.
ex PS
8th May 2017
1:56pm
You are a man after my own heart old fart, I invested in a 3KW system and get a payment without fail every quarter. It all goes into an investment account so that when my 44 cent feed in tariff expires in 2025, I will have enough for an upgrade and a battery pack.
It seems you may be better off going off grid in 9 years time, batteries should be much cheaper and better then.
The cost of Solar continues to decrease all the time, the government should be looking at incentives for all new homes to go off grid, this will truly solve the power problem. The only reason it will not do this is it needs revenue from coal to fix its out of control budget.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:27pm
Better than me exPS. I invested in Origin to use the dividend to offset power bills . Worked a treat right up til they cancelled the dividend this half year haha. It appears I'll have to investigate solar. My sun put a system on his house in Qld and cut his bill by 30%.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:28pm
Son not sun
ex PS
9th May 2017
9:59am
I know how you feel Rae, I had the same thing happen to me, what got me was I only had the notes for five months and had to get rid of them, $125.00 brokerage fee down the drain. Hardly made anything out of them. Staying away from the Energy market in future unless it is alternative.
Old Geezer
9th May 2017
10:26am
Gee I bought Woodside at $10 a share and have had a smile on my face ever since when I fill up my car.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:25am
So part of the cost of high power bills to poor old ladies without money to install a solar system is the over-priced payments to those putting a bit back into the system?

OK..... your conscience....
ex PS
10th May 2017
1:29am
My conscience is quite clear thanks, apart from saving money rather than giving it to the power companies I am not contributing so much to polluting the planet and possibly giving the poor little old ladies grandchildren a better place to grow up in.
You don't have to pay up front for Solar, there are plenty of schemes that allow you to pay as you go.
The criminal part is that the power distribution companies are now allowed to pay you less for the power you put into the grid than they charge you and others to use it. Sometimes this is 50% less.
Pamiea
8th May 2017
1:19pm
Thankful to Nick Zenaphon and thankful for the $75.
Placido
8th May 2017
1:29pm
Gee, must be an election coming up, wonder what the Morrison cheerleader (OG) will say about the failed budget when they announce it tomorrow
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
1:40pm
Nope no election but a doosy of a budget tomorrow instead.
Rae
8th May 2017
4:30pm
Yes OG They are very poor managers of the economy. You'd expect it to be pretty easy in a Nation with all the wealth of natural resources, well educated workforce and interest rates at give away prices.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
5:07pm
Rae there are too many time bombs from Labor's days that are proving difficult to diffuse especially with a smaller revenue base.
ex PS
9th May 2017
10:01am
Good to see the government adopting ALP ideas, I applaud them and hope that it sets a precedent to all political parties.
ex PS
9th May 2017
10:17pm
One of the best ALP budgets I have seen, good to see the government is not too proud to steal ideas of people who obviously had it right in the first place.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
3:59pm
The biggest non-defusable (that's defuse - not diffuse) time bombs are the hangover from the Commission of Idiots and their rubber-stamping of Joey the Fool and Tony The Lightweight Champion's ideas of how this nation should run to the benefit of their own 'type', and based on the whimsical mental meanderings of The Coward John Howard, the Man Who Would Be King If His
Electorate Hadn't Dumped Him On His Arse...

Four years and you still whine about 'Labor time bombs', OG?

LIST THEM!! Morrison said himself that NDIS is a bi-partisan issue - the 'mining tax' never got off the ground and had zero effect on world market movements - the 'carbon tax' never got off the ground and has no impact on energy costs while 'privatisation' is soaring those through the roof and causing needless deaths from people huddling over a fire on the lounge room floor .... where ARE these 'Labor minefields' your kind constantly mumble darkly about?

PPL? Bi-partisan and now a sacred cow.
Unemployment? Never going down is the general rule, and the figures are fudged by both sides.

Come on.. SHOW ME!
Angelique
8th May 2017
3:07pm
Just interested to know how much would ever be enough to stem all the vitriol on here directed towards the government?
Slimmer Cat
8th May 2017
3:46pm
There would never be enough money to stem the vitriol directed towards the government and it wouldn't make any difference which party was in government.
I like all the comments on grey power should rule and we'd sort them out but there is never any effort to start a grey power party - all just talk.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
3:59pm
It is truly amazing how OAPs think they are owed a retirement when they did nought themselves to provide for it.
Triss
8th May 2017
4:54pm
There's a Mature Australia Party, Slimmer Cat. I must look up their policies and see what they're about.
There was a Grey Party a few years ago but it didn't seem to get much support,
perhaps it would nowadays.
ex PS
9th May 2017
10:02am
Don't want money I just want good government, I have seen a glimpse in the last few months but require more to be won over.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:27am
The only reason OAPs didn't earn their retirement in real terms, OG - is that they failed to track down your kind and hang them earlier....
TREBOR
10th May 2017
6:52pm
Angelique - NOTHING will ever stem the tide of hostility to governments that continue to line their own pockets and those of their personal selected groups, while wrecking the choices of the majority out there.

Government is supposed to work for the people - not against them and for their own insider groups, and every time some absurdity or ineptitude or simple utter stupidity is trotted out by a politician or party - it is rightly lambasted.

At least we don't hang them....
inextratime
8th May 2017
3:15pm
OG - I know a number of people, in fact lots of people who could, through no fault of their own, not save enough money to pay for their retirement. There a multitude of circumstances in life that, and It appears you have absolutely no idea, where people have not been able to stash the amount of money you have, 400 grand, to provide for their later years. Ill health in particular. So why don't you stop carping on about how especially clever you have been for the 999th time. Jeezzzzz.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
3:57pm
Whose fault is it then? More like she'll be right mate the taxpayer will provide for me instead.
Renny
8th May 2017
5:43pm
Thanks inextratime. The 'I'm alright Jack' brigade on here are oh so comfy with no empathy for people in different circumstances. I'm sure Old Geezer is actually a ten year old LNP adviser. Just a bunch of nasty selfish old people who were lucky enough to gave relatively easy lives. And now they'll start on me. How many of them are coping with mental illness - (psychiatrists and psychologists aren't cheap), or living in really cokd or hot climates, with a clapped out car, or living in mouldy housing they can't afford to get out of, or who can't afford to get into a rental. Or the widows living in cars because their husbands left them destitute. It's not me, but I know ppl who've been there and a couple who are there. Selfish smug self-satisfied people who gave been lucky enough to about tragedy, injury, serious illness. They certainly make me ill.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:42pm
You must have hit a raw nerve with OG here Renny, he never refuted your comment.
ex PS
10th May 2017
12:37pm
He never does when he is proven wrong.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
4:00pm
You mean he's been proven right? When? Where?
hmmm
8th May 2017
3:20pm
yes we all know that there is no such thing as a free lunch, but if many of you think Australia is such a bad place, why don't you try living else where.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:29am
Why? We live here..... fix your own backyard first they say...
Raphael
8th May 2017
3:36pm
A lot of money to give away
Totally unnecessary
Rae
8th May 2017
4:36pm
Yes That money could have built a whole heap of motel type accommodation for the homeless. They will be starting to feel the cold about now.

A motel type room with a central caretaker staffed kitchen and common room for around 24 would work a treat but they can't seem to do it.

Lack of will.
Bonny
9th May 2017
7:41am
I agree.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:33am
But.. but.. but.... Morrison specifically said that the mooted changes to home buying would benefit the homeless..............

He did - I was watching.... LIVE!

So the pensioner cough-up has nothing to do with the homeless, who will be bountifully seated on unicorns once the new rules allow for massive new construction complete with infrastructure....

Getting people to opt for putting salary sacrifice into a home fund with the same tax rules as super is GREAT! Thing is - ONLY those with a good salary already can afford to do that..... but it will generate massive new construction and not house hoarding.... as is currently the vogue with tax concessions....

I saw that one, Scottie - now beam me up! Not a trace of coherent life down here....
Bob
8th May 2017
3:48pm
Why is it that Australian governments seem to 'simplify' issues that affect pensioners especially. We have a couple of protest groups get fired up about power costs, we have a couple of elderly ladies usually living alone, sitting in the dark with a blanket wrapped round their frail bodies on TV advising how difficult it was to meet the power costs and what does the governments do to solve the 'living costs of pensioners'? The give a one off payment to assist with one power bill. Almost everyone that I know who are pensioners, understands that whenever a pensioner is given an extra $1, all costs immediately raise probably $2.50. Most probably, the week before pensioners are given this one off offer, power companies will raise their charges by approximately $30 -$40 a quarter, not to mention every other supplier of cabbages and medical treatment. Its very convenient to be simplistic. Australia lost its ability to compete on the world market in many areas and yet, Australians are still living well beyond its means. Because I use so little power, I was offered a deal the other day by my power supplier, to take my account elsewhere if I wasn't satisfied. So simplistic.
Robert, a pensioner from Margate Qld. 8 May 2017
musicveg
9th May 2017
12:23am
They could have saved a lot of paper work and just given it to the power companies directly.
Bonny
9th May 2017
7:43am
If they had given it directly to power companies we all could of benefited.
Misty
9th May 2017
2:52pm
What is wrong with you people, how on earth is giving the money to the power companies going to benefit anybody other the the companies themselves?, envy is a terrible thing with some people commenting here, cheesed off because they are not eligible for this one off payment, they can't get it so they don't want anyone else to get it either.
musicveg
9th May 2017
3:53pm
Misty the one off payment is to help people pay their power bills, but they are just making it sound good, when shortly after the power bills are going to rise. So what is the point? Only to dangle a carrot to get votes I would think.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:38am
We all do benefit from minor payments to end user with zero discretion, Bonny - all their little extra goes straight back into the economy and into the tax system.

Why is it 'bad' for the Rudd Government to give out a handout for pensioners etc during a crisis that demanded fueling the national economy FIRST... but when Scottie beams down $75 a pensioner that will achieve a similar purpose, that is 'good'?
Polly Esther
8th May 2017
3:50pm
I wont spend it all at once.
I'll stick it in the 'piggy bank' and thank my lucky stars :)
bobby
8th May 2017
4:05pm
Thankyou Mr Morrison. The likes of Trevine, today think the world owes them a living. Let's hope there is not too many. We have to learn to live within our means and stick to a budget. It's hard but I can do it.
bobby
8th May 2017
4:05pm
Thankyou Mr Morrison. The likes of Trevine, today think the world owes them a living. Let's hope there is not too many. We have to learn to live within our means and stick to a budget. It's hard but I can do it.
bobby
8th May 2017
4:05pm
Thankyou Mr Morrison. The likes of Trevine, today think the world owes them a living. Let's hope there is not too many. We have to learn to live within our means and stick to a budget. It's hard but I can do it.
teacher
8th May 2017
4:10pm
Why is the pension one-off less than double for a couple? Does only one of them shower or drink tea/coffee and isn't the washing load doubled?

I am now a single and, of course, appreciate getting, pro rata, more than a couple, but when my husband was alive I really felt underprivileged because of the inequity of any 'one-offs' like this.

WIDOW
Rosret
8th May 2017
6:55pm
Most marrieds eat at the same time using the same oven, same fridge, heating and air conditioner. Chances are they watch the same TV and mostly use the same rooms.
The power bill doesn't double with a partner - however if you have a young family ..... that is different, it trebles!!
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:44am
Save water - shower with a friend.... wash two loads of washing in one hit.... dry half the clothes on a wet day....watch MKR with the missus without tearing out your remaining hair or murdering someone, order 1.6 cappucinos from Luigi and make sure he doesn't reach for his knife, and could we please have 2.3 pieces of toast and two thirds of a muffin each ... and you deserve $75 a day... around a fifth of what it takes to sustain life in a politician for a day in Canberra.. without impinging on salary and travel perks etc...

Comparisons are odious... aren't they?
Rodent
8th May 2017
4:11pm
Hey OG, and others, what's in the Doosy budget for tomorrow, other than what we know about already, and your thoughts on there will be Capital Gains Tax levied on the Sale of the Family Home, (which is of course most unlikely).

As a SFR, with I assume shares etc that have dividends with franking Credits have you read the AFR article today by Rex Bevan page 35 -Dividend Imputation System must end- do you agree with his analysis?
Rae
8th May 2017
4:46pm
If they stop the dividend imputation a lot of SrSf retirees will become eligible for the OAP. The 50% capital gains tax discount was one of Howard's nuttier ideas in my opinion. Why? It just encourages speculation in real estate.

You'd be hard pressed to Capital Gains Tax the family home without allowing negative gearing of it and deductions for rates, insurance, maintenance.

It is actually a liability rather than an asset. One "worth" a bit after paying it off but a liability just the same.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
4:48pm
I guess we will have to wait and see.

Dividend imputation is actually a fair system in that people who make the money pay the tax at their marginal rate and those that don't get refunded any tax paid. This allow anyone to invest in shares and get the benefits. Scraping franking credits would disadvantage the low income earners and advantage the high income earners.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:48am
Why should anyone gain income at full rate and not pay taxes on it, OG? A company pays taxes when forced to on its profits.... why should not an individual who receives benefit from those profits in a separate sphere also pay tax on income/profit derived?

Please Explain?
Rodent
8th May 2017
4:18pm
ALL - Another even more interesting article in AFR Today by David Gallagher Finance Professor titled

" Should we believe Budget night speeches any more?" he makes some very valid points, really about what the Budget should address- NOTE especially the figures he quotes about the accuracy of Treasurery's estimates going forward
TREBOR
10th May 2017
7:01pm
They are only estimates, after all, and have been sent through the party wringer first so as to yield up the truth required..... torture estimates long enough and they will say whatever you want...
dougie
8th May 2017
4:39pm
Oh my bleeding heart. It is up to each and everyone of us to budget to meet our cost of living expenses. The Government provides us with a not insubstantial amount in the form of a pension or other welfare payment and we as responsible adults should learn to live within the limits of these payments. Sure the amount paid is not a tremendous amount but at least it is a recognition of the times and a help to those who need it. People seem to forget that there are agencies that one can go to if in genuine hardship for assistance with power bills. Personally I budget and have no problems and believe me I am not wealthy as I rely on the pension for my survival and I appreciate that which I am given. I live quite well and enjoy my tipple each afternoon and whenever there is a need to find an extra dollar I do not see any problem. It may be tight this week but next week there is another payday.
Oldie84
8th May 2017
4:40pm
Oh dougie, will you be in trouble now............
Rae
8th May 2017
4:54pm
Well said dougie and very true. I feel for those out in the cold tonight with no roof and no money. Compared with that we are all very lucky.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
12:55am
So wait one - Joe Bloggs needs to 'maximise' his Pension benefit by assiduously applying to the various agencies for assistance as well? And those agencies are funded by government? and the costs of doing so are reduced by the use of volunteer labour - meaning the workers handing out the government largesse are not paid and do not pay tax.....

Why not just pay Joe Bloggs a living pension?

Those in the cold tonight... coastal police are barricading the stations in expectation of the annual migration of poor people to the warmer climes.. people who live down there are battening down the hatches against the annual theft and roughneck epidemic ..... arghhh - like driving the cattle down from the Heeghlant when Winter is coming.... feisty lot until they're culled these Heeghlant cattle... the northern police lights are advising all members that the time is nigh for the annual invasion.... and the consequent rise in crime....
Blondie
8th May 2017
5:22pm
I received a power bill recently of $495 for 2 months! I live alone, very frugally, and when I compared this bill to the same period, a year ago, when my husband was alive, it was.....$495!!!!!! I also get a 'feed in rate' from my solar panels. When I rang and pointed out this idiocy, 2 weeks later, an ' amended ' bill arrived : $97!!!! There's something ' wrong in the State of Denmark'...(apologies to Shakespeare) when this can happen, don't you agree?
Rosret
8th May 2017
6:58pm
Sounds as though they didn't come and read the meter. Glad it was fixed.
Misty
8th May 2017
8:43pm
I had the same problem with Origin, we were getting bills of over $2,000.00 a quarter and when I checked my bill I saw that some meters read did not have an Actual next to them but an Estimate, when I queried this I was told that the meter reader couldn't find the meter or the grass may have been too high in the yard or there may have been a dog there too. Anyway what actually happened was the meters they were estimating had been removed some time previously when we had our Solar Panels installed, I had to go to the Ombudsman to get a refund which we did eventually get. I make sure I check the readings now on my bill.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:15pm
Gosh people don't check their bills back to their meter readings. I actually read the meter around same time as the meter reader comes and have the bill worked out before they send it to me by email. It is a bit of a pain getting a bill instead of a payment since the 60c feed in tariff cut out. However the present feed in tariff is about to double or more so I might break even with my next bills.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:00am
Did that last time in expectation of an $1100 bill for A/C over summer with disabled person in house.... ran to $153, I think... if the meter is broke it is not my problem... it was checked by their man... not the meter reader.... their electrician guy after the possum shorted half the town and caused a crash on our connections....

Damn - when those possums cause a brownout, turn off your fragile equipment like fridge.... low voltage will kill it.... and cost you thousands...

At least when the trucks knock down a pole on the freeway here, it goes black... actually he didn't knock the pole down - just brought down some wires, and the police asked that it be shut off. About half an hour... not even time to melt the ice cream...
Renny
8th May 2017
5:31pm
Are we losing the energy supplement? Morrison won't answer that.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:16pm
You should as it's no longer relevant since the carbon tax was scrapped.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:05am
..... to be replaced by the rising costs due to privatisation. Not even you can have it both ways, OG.... though I know you like it like that....

The Carbon Tax never bit, never raised a cent, and bit the dust too soon, just like the tax on mining super-profits that you lot like to whine killed off the mining 'industry' at a time of massive hoarding by China and a world glut of ores....

If the mining industry was 'killed off' by the 'mining tax', how come it's dying now when THAT tax never raised a cent either...
thommo
8th May 2017
6:08pm
This payment is an insult...They probably think it compensates for changing the assets test. Boy, are they in for a shock at the next election...They're a bunch of morons...
heemskerk99
8th May 2017
8:14pm
ain't I lucky, I assure you I would not feel it an insult to receive the $75.00 or $120.00 bonus towards my energy bill as I also would not be insulted to the travel allowance, the prescriptions,the discounts on my electric and gas bills, the rates etc, etc. pensioners receive, thommo, I am one of those you call the privileged retired persons who had the fortitude and thought of a better live by saving and making sacrifices to think in advance of their retirement, and then we find out missing out on all the goodies, see above, I just shake my head reading your and other comments and ask myself what has become of this once great country AUSTRALIA by reading about the selfish, me, me and only me attitude of the so called elderly residents, pensioners, who only can think of them selves in these columns and even go as far as forgetting their offspring who are attempting to make a living in this once most beautiful and liveable country on earth, I called as many still do, PARADISE.
Tib
8th May 2017
11:15pm
Well said thommo
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:11am
Dang, heemie - you just reminded me I need to back-file my claims for travel allowance... good thing it lasts for two years..... my monthly medications run to nearly $700.. the person I care for has hers run to $1000 or more a month - all on the PBS, thank you!

Now - hey - what about an increase in the rates concession, a higher rate of concession for power etc, GST-free card for pensioners, no fuel excise for pensioners, a total ban on bank charges for pensioners, totally free medical for pensioners, and 1.25 times the current amount for basic pension, and then double pension and perks for those who are carers as well as pensioners... and absolutely no pension penalty for working and earning income......

**dusts off hands**.. I'm glad you reminded me of all those little things that would help so much...
Mad as hell
8th May 2017
7:50pm
I'm grateful for the $75 one off payment

Just wouldn't need it as much if the Liberals and Greens didn't make 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test.

$75 won't buy me a vote for the Liberals Greens or Xenophon.
Old Man
8th May 2017
9:16pm
With a senate such as the government has, a bit of horse trading cannot be ignored. As I see it, there is a payment of $75 as opposed to the amount the government wanted to give pensioners. 3/4 of 5/8 of bugger all. We'll take the money.

As regards housing, there is not a lot that a federal government can do. NSW and Vic are booming, SA is stagnant, WA is going backwards and Qld is on the edge of a boom. How can a federal government legislate any remedy that will cover all of those scenarios? Housing is a matter for the states individually.
Old Geezer
8th May 2017
10:17pm
Market cycles nothing more.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:13am
Ahh!! Boom Anne Bust AND Jobson Growthe!!
Tib
8th May 2017
10:50pm
Yep I'll take the $75 and NO I still won't vote for you. Because your nothing but a bunch of arseholes, and you can't buy my vote for a lousy $75.
PlanB
9th May 2017
11:44am
Thumbs up to you Tib, I would not vote for this elitist mob of scum, there is not one of them I like
Mad as hell
9th May 2017
12:09pm
Ditto Tib and PlanB
teacher
9th May 2017
12:29am
Hi Rosret
Hey Rodent: Re power allowance, If you notice I mentioned personal events that are usually done singly such as bathe or shower, use water for tea or coffee and double the load in a washing machine. Also there is personal care such as shaving (electrically) blow-drying hair, using the computer, and other things. Also one of the couples might not be as saving as the other in putting off lights or using the rest of hot water in kettle to rinse their coffee cup etc.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
7:04pm
Went away for five days to visit grand-kids - left the tap on after washing down windscreen of car on departure...

Hello, excess water bill... I want my water tanks back.... buggar this....
musicveg
9th May 2017
12:31am
Why are they not giving it to those getting Newstart?
This payment is just a distraction to the billions of dollars the government could be getting from multinational companies like Chevron who don't pay any tax by reaping Australia of resources.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
7:09pm
Morrison did take a token swipe at companies that don't pay tax, but that was just for public consumption.

All companies that wish to trade here and generate profits must be put on notice that they will pay a minimum tax on their turnover and deemed profit, regardless of how many loans they have to repay to their parent company and how many offshore shareholders they need to provide for lavishly.
teacher
9th May 2017
12:35am
Hey Blondie: I had a similar experience once when my bill was double the usual amount for one person. I queried it and they found that the meter had been read incorrectly. The usage (units) was close to a rounded off zero so the meter reader took it to the next zero which made it so much more. I give my power service provider a big tick for supplying a chart showing previous usage so you can easily compare. They gave me a substantial discount off my next bill too.
Bonny
9th May 2017
7:35am
What a waste of money that could have been better spent elsewhere. Housing for the poor or an increase for those on youth allowance or newstart but instead they give it to those ungrateful people on tne OAP.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
4:07pm
You're damned right we're ungrateful.... we're owed millions in compensation for social mangling to suit the self-appointed few... as it is we're lucky to buy pitch forks and flaming brands.....

Don't worry your pretty little head - Scottie has promised the homeless would be fitted in sweetly once developers are encouraged to rort - sorry that build - more housing (as if that'll happen any time soon)... and the young are being put on a longer waiting time for No start so they don't count, and there is no change to the Nostart and the Yoke Allowance to speak of.... that $240m wouldn't do a thing .. wouldn't feed a property developer worth his time....

Beam me up, Scottie....
TREBOR
10th May 2017
10:55pm
You want me to be grateful for a life spent being on call 24/7/365, no family life to speak of, never had a Christmas Eve or anything like it with family, putting all else aside while defending the Earth from the scum of the Universe, and being rorted by government in many ways day in and day out, and never more than in my late afternoon years, to satisfy their latest craze?

I'll take double pension for doubling as a carer now while on a pension... thanks.
Alexii
17th May 2017
6:01pm
Gosh, I must be one of those ungrateful ones. i consider it an insult to pensioners.
Jurassicgeek
9th May 2017
11:10am
its a bribe obviously.. but it wont work ...it's too little too late. I'll take the money because I need it..but something serious needs doing to to the pension...successive governments have eroded it to such an extent that many people are finding it hard to live on..
Liverpool Anne
9th May 2017
11:31am
I am a pension, and I will take any amount they want to give. It all helps, better than a poke in the eye with a big stick. I don't use a heater much in winter, I have a cosy, cut down sleeping bag and a cosy shawl. Keeps me warm watching the idiot box
KB
9th May 2017
1:03pm
I will gladly accept the 75 dollars. This carrot will not make me vote Liberal. They meed to bring back the utility allowance for pensioners,Couples get more because there are 2 people sharing the money.I am not sure how they equal the payment. If you want to read then sit in the lightest room or where there is sunshine. Every little bit helps..
seagirl
9th May 2017
1:35pm
it should be $50 each in our pay every two weeks that to me be better then a one off payment of $75...
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:29am
Don't sell yourself short - we're campaigning for Pension to equal AWE and be linked to politician and senior public servant pay rises....

I'd say... ooooh.... $150 a week might cover it? To allow for the peaks and troughs and to ensure that old ladies don't freeze to death in Winter or succumb to heat in Summer.

How many old ladies will be eaten by sharks because they are forced - yes, FORCED - to swim in the sea instead of lolling at home in air conditioned comfort? How many will be felled from the skies by terrorist missiles while attempting to fly north rather than freeze in an icy Winter down here?
Liverpool Anne
9th May 2017
3:39pm
Jus t watch ABC Four Corners and see just what a mess the energy crisis is in. Most of it brought on by Pollies who don't like the elephant in the room, and didn't like to deal with it
PlanB
9th May 2017
3:42pm
The whole political scene is a total mess -- and not only in Aussie either -- but out pollies do not have a clue
Oldie84
9th May 2017
5:08pm
The program was very one-sided. Pollies need to be re-elected don't forget. They also get a cacophony of advise going in all directions. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for all the tea in China.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:30am
They could buy all the tea in China..... just put it on the expense account...
eggles01
9th May 2017
5:44pm
A lot of people not only pensioners complain about their bills problem is for many people is this ugly thing called=SUPPLY==my last gas bill was $80.19 total my usage was $18.06 my supply charge was $68.13 my electricity supply is over $80.00 per quarter,this supply charge is the thing that has to be dealt with
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:24am
I had a bill once for around $59 and the supply cost was $89 or something... totally ridiculous.... nothing 'user pays' about it - just pure socialism for the power supply companies... (hello)....it is a Right Wing given that socialism for business is 'good' socialism (to coin a Morrison attempt at a phrase which is pure ideological and selective rhetoric), but socialism for the people (who else???) is 'bad' socialism....

(AROFL = Absolutely Rolls On Floor Laughing).....
TREBOR
9th May 2017
9:56pm
Will street people get the $75.. that'll light up their eyes.... just saying...???

Now to the serious side of things.... $75 will help this once... not in the long term, since the problems have been laid out many times - rising costs due to the need to provide lavishly for a host of Hydra-headed power/energy suppliers, all stemming from 'privatisation', and the dratted supply cost.

Worked so much better under one roof and with one fee.... public control of utilities is demonstrably more efficient...
TREBOR
9th May 2017
11:50pm
http://budget.gov.au/2016-17/content/glossies/overview/images/overview-29.png

You will note that there is a clear delineation between Social Security and Welfare, though both are lumped in the same component of the pie chart. Social Security is Entitlement pure and simple, and even the LNP do not waver from that no matter how much public utterance they give to 'welfare' - Welfare is provision for charities and other services outside of the Entitlement of Pension and Unemployment Benefits, DSP, Single Parent's Support, and such.

Let us keep on the correct page here.... Social Security recipients are not welfare cases..... they have absolute Entitlements.

Thank you for coming.
Misty
10th May 2017
12:06am
Oh dear TREBOR what have you done now?, surely your comment above will drive OG over the edge, he is adamant, as are others posting here, that the OAG is welfare, he will go off the deep end now surely.
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:18am
It hurts my gentle soul so very deeply to injure him so... I can never make it up to him.....

Perhaps I could ask him to chair the old pensioners assistance fund.. the one for those in real need with $445 and $600 a week rents....

That's what happens with some 'refo dole bludgers' - the reality is that they do NOT receive SS benefits, and often rely totally on welfare to live and eat... they can't get Unemployment Benefits for two years or so - unless that's changed....

I've studied this stuff but I might be out of touch with current legislation and rules...
TREBOR
10th May 2017
1:19am
On the brighter side - OG has the hide of an elephant, so I doubt I will seriously injure his kind and compassionate humanitarian soul.
JOHN T
10th May 2017
8:15am
not wishing to appear ungrateful the one off payment for couples is once again out of wack or are we supposed to shower together $75.00 x 2 -



















not wishing to appear ungrateful but once again the payment is out of wack does the government think a couple uses less power than a single person or are we supposed to shower together ? $75.00 x 2 = $150.00 not $125.00 This will not change the way the Government has performed and they have not given us anything yet roll on the next election
PlanB
10th May 2017
9:22am
Maybe not shower together John but you don't need two heaters or two stoves etc
Newslug
12th May 2017
10:43am
In April 2016 I moved to a relocatable home park ( no not a caravan park) a two bedroom
House I picked up for under $200k. I have had two electricity bills since being here both under $100. Ie less than $200 for a year's electricity. Yes my hot water is gas, and I cook with gas. I can't complain about electricity costs. I get the pensioners rebate and a discount for the cost of running a cpap machine (considered necessary life support equipment) I shopped around for the best deal. On the basis of my costs todate the $75 dollars will pay (almost) all of my next bill . Let's not whinge too much. Let's just check out the options before agreeing to any supplier. In the meantime cut your usage. Turn off unused appliances including electric blankets TV sets air conditioners and heaters. And turn lights out when they're not needed. Don't forget to replace incandescent light globes with LEDs
Another trick when it's cold? Add another blanket to the bed or a track top as another layer of clothing! Time to stop complaining and time to start acting and taking some responsibility.
Misty
12th May 2017
6:59pm
The tiny amount a household saves a year by turning all these things off is not worth the trouble, especially if you have a timer on your DVD PLAYER AND ALSO CLOCKS ALL HAVE TO BE RESET VERY TIME YOU TURN THEM BACK ON, do you run a fridge?, they cost roughly $100.00 a year to run on electricity and then you have all the other bits, TV.S, Washing Machine, Vacumn Cleaner, Iron, Computers, Lighting, Electric Blankets, Heating etc, do you have Solar too?, I do not see how it would be possible to only use that amount of electricity if you also use all the things I have mentioned here.
1937dougal
12th May 2017
3:55pm
The Government has taken away the $10.60 per fortnight (every fortnight) and replaced it with half of $120 (per couple) as a once only payment. This action guarantees the loss of my vote after more than 50 years
Newslug
12th May 2017
8:47pm
Misty I hope you're not suggesting me lying? If I can work out how to include a pic of my last two bills you would withdraw any thought of that! I have no children and my fridge is on its lowest setting and the fridge door is opened Maybe three times a day. I live on My own so
rarely do I have more than one light I at any given time. As I've said Ido get discounts. The pensioner rebate and a cpapmachine discount. Indeed inthoughtbtheremust be some mistake so I rang my provider to ensure there hadn't been. You may find it inconvenient but my tv is reasonably modern and adjusts it's time just as a mobile phone does. I don't have a video machine. I do have a Dvd/blue ray player. Ivenever noticed if it hada clock. If it does I don't adjust it I use my watch and my tv to tell me what time it is. I have an electric blanket which only goes on for about an hour before I retire then I turn it off. Air conditioner rarely gets used. Instead I throw on more clothes if I need them. But that's rare. So please don't imply I'm not telling the truth
Misty
12th May 2017
10:43pm
I don't know why you get the impression I was accusing you of lying but I am interested in how other people manage to save on their power bills that is all.
Pamiea
12th May 2017
9:00pm
I'm appreciative of the $75 cos together with my wonderful solar panels there will be little to pay.
Misty
12th May 2017
10:46pm
But surely now the Feed in Tariff is so low it doesn't make a lot of savings, unless you live in WA of course then that is a different matter.
Newslug
12th May 2017
10:52pm
Sorry misty I thought id made that clear
Alexii
17th May 2017
5:59pm
It'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious. What an insult to pensioners.
Not Senile Yet!
22nd May 2017
12:44pm
Old geezer.....just because you had a dream run in life......never had awife cheat....never had your Super Stolen....never made mistakes ..does not give you the right to be so calleous and judgemental of those less fortunate!
There are things in life....events ...you cannot manage/control!
Stop assuming you know how others misfortunes occurred.....ie by generalising.....no 2 two people are the same.....similiar maybe....but never the same!
So mr Lord Muck.....stop telling the rest of us what a thoughtless uncompassionate prig you are!
Cranky
29th May 2017
12:27pm
I served the public for over fifty years, protecting their life and property and I feel that I and other people who done the same thing should be entitled to a pension similar to politicions, not the measly pension I and others like me receive. Also a measly $65.50 towards our energy bills is an insult to pensioners who worked a life time hoping to be rewarded for their sacrifice over many years, but no, politicions make sure they have their nose in the trough, sometimes their feet too, so they don't miss out. I hope all Pensioners feel the same as I do and we pull together to vote Turnbull, Morrison and his crew out at the next election. Max Jackwitz
Cranky
29th May 2017
12:45pm
Jacka mentioned the cost of electricity supply, I agree with him and others who have mentioned this, and I ask the question to energy suppliers, why do we have to pay for the supply of electricity and then pay the cost of the power we use as well. The power lines were paid for by the Government so why should the energy companies benefit I think we are being charged twice. Over the years the supply of electricity has been privatized and sourced out to many companies. Years ago we only had a couple of suppliers, such as the SEQEB and the NQEB and was run by the Government. I don't think privatization did anything to lower the costs of electricity. It is just like the water supply. All the dams built in Queensland were paid for by the Government and you could use as much water as you wanted to use, and only paid a supply charge Then the whole system got privatized and now when you receive a water bill you have a supply charge, a council charge and a charge for Government supply, plus a sewerage charge. The poor old pensioners and the taxpayer are being ripped off all the time. It is the same with the G S T. When it was introduce it was supposed to do away with stamp duty, now we have both Stamp Duty and G S T, so we all lost again - Max Jackwitz
maggiemaycole
7th Jun 2017
2:22pm
I didn't get the winter energy concession on my last electricity bill because what I generated in solar was more than I used. Looking at my latest gas bill - hell! I'm still currently in credit, but not looking forward to the next one. Just hoping that one was an aberration because my family had been staying with me a bit, and doing their washing here as it had an increase of 98.5% over last year. Gas heating only used when they were here. My showers and dishwashing down to once a week. Financial counsellor worked out I am feeding myself on $35 per fortnight. Thank heavens I just got a job for 1 1/2 days a week starting in a couple of weeks. The $75 is going to be a real help for me.
Thai Traveller
13th Jun 2017
2:02pm
Solar energy wasted? I rent a room in a house with solar panels, yet everyone (5 persons) has their showers at night. So the HW tank heats up overnight using mains power. Seems a bit strange to me.
The owners wash dishes and clothes in cold water to 'save power' while the sun shines outside.
PensionTension
28th Jun 2017
2:03pm
Doesnt say carer payment do they get it to??
Topcat
28th Jun 2017
5:01pm
I really don't get it why people are grumbling about $75 being given out by the government. Just don't accept it if you don't want it. As for me I'm not rich by any means and live a modest lifestyle - we have a wonderful country it could be better in some ways but then again it could be a whole lot worse. Stop comparing laining
PlanB
29th Jun 2017
7:54am
I received my $75 2 days ago


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