Federal Election 2016: We’re heading to the polls on 2 July

As we’ve all suspected for several weeks, we’ll be heading to the polls on 2 July 2016.

Yesterday, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull visited the Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove to have the two houses of Parliament dissolved so that the campaign for a double dissolution Federal Election can commence. And as we’ve all suspected for several weeks, we will be heading to the polls on 2 July 2016.

The eight-week campaign, one of the longest is Australian political history, has already commenced, with Parliament to be officially dissolved this morning.

Announcing the date in Canberra to waiting reporters, Malcolm Turnbull said that the campaign offered voters a “clear choice”. "To keep the course, maintain the commitment to our national economic plan for growth and jobs, or go back to Labor, with its higher taxing, higher spending, debt and deficit agenda, which will stop our nation's transition to the new economy dead in its tracks,” he said.

He also threw the first barb of the campaign at Labor, stating that it had "no credible or coherent way" to meet its promise of higher spending. "Labor claiming to speak for fairness, but in really speaking for nothing more than increasing taxes, stands in the way of Australians getting ahead," he said.

In Tasmania to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the Beaconsfield mine disaster, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten laid his cards out, saying he stood for a “fair go” for all Australians.

"A choice between Labor's positive plan for the future and three more years of dysfunction, dithering and disappointment," he told reporters. "Trust Labor to deliver better jobs and reasonable conditions. Trust Labor to stand up for schools, TAFE, childcare, universities. Trust Labor to protect Medicare and bulk billing," he said.

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce said that the election campaign was the "start of the nation's journey to decide where it will go and how it will determine its future". Meanwhile, Greens Senator Richard di Natale, who was attending a ‘No more coal’ protest at a Newcastle beach said, "Let's make the transition to a 21st century economy, and let's get this country moving in the direction that's more sustainable, more prosperous, and more caring."

Read more at www.abc.net.au

Opinion: Which election promises do you want to see?

Anyone watching television last night would have been left in no doubt that the federal election campaign is well and truly under way. And one can only guess at the cost of the proliferation of advertising from all sides of the political parties that aired on primetime television. Obviously, the calling of the dissolution of Parliament came as no surprise, with the Coalition and Labor both having a series of ads ready to roll.

But while both parties have clearly stated their election goals, what either will do for older Australians seems to have missed the first day campaign cut.

It will remain to be seen who will be the first to realise that Australia’s baby boomer voters are indeed a powerful and politically savvy cohort. You can, however, rest assured that YourLifeChoices will be following the campaign closely to see which policies, if any, for older Australians, the major parties will promote.

Along the way we’ll be inviting comment from a series of experts on matters political, financial, health, age discrimination and any other areas you, our members would like to see addressed.

So, why not let us know, either in the comments below or by sending us an email to newsletters@yourlifechoices.com.au, which policies and issues you would like to see addressed over the next eight weeks?

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    MICK
    9th May 2016
    10:19am
    Now let's wait for the right wing media propaganda machine to back its man.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    12:28pm
    And left wing media propaganda machine to back ITS man.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    1:26pm
    And all of them wasting tens of millions that would be better spent on something useful.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:30pm
    The advertising media is a complete waste in our house because with modern technology we can watch TV now without the ads.
    particolor
    9th May 2016
    2:16pm
    100 Million to talk BS ! :-( I'll do it for half of that :-)
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:30pm
    Oh particolor, you do it now for nothing.
    I apologise particolor, I can't help myself when a straight line such as that is presented to me. And I hit 'enter' accidentally. ?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:14pm
    My point was that you get the Murdoch publications with extreme support of their man ("Carbon Zombie"????), 7 and 9 media which have a majority of viewers pushing their man (Turnbull portrayed as family man in last week - once in playground and once with own grandchild) and then a few radio shock jocks with large following demonising the other side rather than debating the policies on their merits.
    I believe that my comments had merit. Some of the above are just 'let's look the other way' responses from the normal characters. What can I say.............
    Idontforget
    9th May 2016
    10:35am
    Have voted conservative since I don't know when but I won't this time because I am not going to be taken for a fool. Labor, no, because gay marriage will be legislated for within a few months. That leave me to see what other smaller parties have to offer. Independents, no, very few independents in the past have shown promise.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    10:44am
    Ted Mack? Nick Xenophon? If you feel that way consider Xenophon, who actually is not owned by big business from what I have seen and bats for Australians with sensible legislation.
    In the end vote for whoever you want. To be perfectly honest vote for Billy the Blacksmith and you register a protest vote which will be heard if others do the same. Just make sure the preference is not being directed to the government which appears to have a few 'Independents' running who are little more than Liberals directing votes. Ask at the polling booth.
    Just to make you feel at ease about Independents give some thought to Ricky Muir and Glenn Lazarus. Both of these bozos are not puppets and whilst they are not politicians in the traditional sense they are doing the job............NOT for vested interests!
    daz
    9th May 2016
    11:06am
    " Labor, no, because gay marriage will be legislated for within a few months."
    What! Idontforget- you prefer to go through the ridiculous & VERY expensive process of a plebiscite which will end up with the same result, because thank goodness the majority of the Australian population are not unfair, bigoted, narrow minded & old fashioned homophobic like you.
    It's not a matter of 'if' or 'how' but 'when'
    If this is the major reason for your decision on which way to vote & you don't know which way to turn better you vote informal as you obviously live in the past revealed by your name - Idontforget.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    11:15am
    Agree daz. Your choice:

    1. tax cuts for big business, cost to all of us is $50 billion. These go to the already wealthy.
    2. money going to where it is needed.

    As Malcolm Fraser once said "life wasn't meant to be easy". Read my post above. Hope that helps.
    Idontforget
    9th May 2016
    12:24pm
    Daz, what medication are you on or what have you been smoking this morning. We live in a democracy where everyone is fortunately entitled to an opinion. And with certain restrictions, this not being one of them, we are allowed to voice that opinion.

    And someone who does not hold that opinion is entitled to disagree. But simple integrity and manners dictate that this disagreement does not fall into gutter talk and straight out lies that you have published. I am not homophobic, bigoted or the rest of the trash you used to attack my opinion. I have three acquaintances that are gay and incidentally, two of them are against gay marriage.

    So I suggest you keep your vitriol bottled up and to yourself. I would also suggest that if you had made those accusations to my face in a dark alley outside a hotel, your posterior may have come into close contact with the ground.

    So go away back into the woodwork, you bitter and twisted little individual, before somebody with a spray can of insecticide comes along.
    Idontforget
    9th May 2016
    12:24pm
    Daz, what medication are you on or what have you been smoking this morning. We live in a democracy where everyone is fortunately entitled to an opinion. And with certain restrictions, this not being one of them, we are allowed to voice that opinion.

    And someone who does not hold that opinion is entitled to disagree. But simple integrity and manners dictate that this disagreement does not fall into gutter talk and straight out lies that you have published. I am not homophobic, bigoted or the rest of the trash you used to attack my opinion. I have three acquaintances that are gay and incidentally, two of them are against gay marriage.

    So I suggest you keep your vitriol bottled up and to yourself. I would also suggest that if you had made those accusations to my face in a dark alley outside a hotel, your posterior may have come into close contact with the ground.

    So go away back into the woodwork, you bitter and twisted little individual, before somebody with a spray can of insecticide comes along.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    12:33pm
    Hey, tone it down a bit Idontforget. The post was not that bad.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    12:41pm
    And this is only day 1!

    Please people can we not agree to behave like adults and at least be civil to other contributors when we disagree. Name calling and insults achieve nothing except diminuation of the writer.
    MD
    9th May 2016
    12:57pm
    Agreed, Mick, KSS. Idontforget, a few of the very principles you predicated your reply on were rendered null & void once you stooped to bitter invective and further exacerbated this by threatening physical harm. Get a grip man, you were doing quite well otherwise.
    Hang in there but don't hang yourself in the process.
    wally
    9th May 2016
    1:00pm
    When it comes down to choosing who to vote for, people tend to concentrate on the LNP and/or the ALP party leaders. Three of the last four Prime Ministers in Australia's recent past have been given the chop behind closed doors by their own party members. This means that the party leader ( Opposition Leader or PM ) is simply "the head on the stick" the party waves around for the punters to boo or cheer as in a sort of political Punch and Judy show.

    So with that in mind, who to pick, Punch or Judy? In my humble opinion, the punters ( I mean voters!) should weigh up which political party and its policies will do the least amount of harm to Australia's democracy and economy. We have seen Australia go from having a budget surplus to a level of indebtedness unimaginable ten years ago due to a series of cash splashes on ill thought out schemes we were told were going to save Australia from the GFC

    So the once proud Aussie Gravy Train has gone off the rails and lies in a ditch. We must decide who is best going to put the train back on the rails and start the process of eliminating Australia's debt level. Observe and judge the promises made in the upcoming run up to the election and decide who will do the least amount of damage to Australia.

    As the performance of the Senate independents has played out, they have proved to be self serving ego driven obstructive obstacles to government getting anything done and returning them to the Senate would appear to be aggravating the problem. So decide who will best act in Australia's interest and choose accordingly.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:26pm
    Agree the gravy train is now back on the rails but running backwards with an ever increasing debt burden being placed on tomorrow's tax payer.

    Unfortunately unless we all suffer some pain now it is preferable to unbearable pain in the future. There are a lot of things that are nice to have but as a nation we simply cannot afford them.
    tomtom
    9th May 2016
    2:02pm
    Mick you refer to Muir and Lazarus as Bozo's, how right you are. Of no value to anyone, so don't waste your vote on idiots like this - if we want our country run properly, use your vote wisely. Australia is important to our grand children and any future children.
    mangomick
    9th May 2016
    2:15pm
    Well daz, I'm quite happy to go through the ridiculous & VERY expensive process of a plebiscite. Unlike you i don't believe that a decision that will end up with the same result is that cut and dried. I would rather have a plebisite so that my own opinion can be counted and highly vocal lobby groups cannot try to convince targeted marginal electoral candidates that it is in their own good to support what ever the issue is at the time . Shame on you to try to paint those in the community who don't necessarily agree with your own personal view as unfair, bigoted, narrow minded & old fashioned homophobics. I don't really give a damn which way the vote goes but I'll be damned if I'll let any minority try to rough shod their view upon the electorate and try to deny them a vote on the subject.
    As far as the up coming election, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We have seen what happens when the Senate becomes a rubber stamp for the Government of the day. if a Government cannot compromise in it's legislation to get it through both houses they do not deserve to be in Power.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    2:39pm
    Why don't we just all become the gender of "other" and just marry who we like?
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:33pm
    This is how Xenophon voted so you can see if an Independent such as him thinks as you do.

    http://www.openaustralia.org.au/senator/nick_xenophon/sa
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:10pm
    tomtom: the point I was trying to make is that it does not matter if you vote for Billy the Blacksmith, or whoever. The problem we have in Australia and the western world more generally, is that both sides of politics have been corrupted and act for their nations AS A LAST RESORT. Voting for an Independent is changes the balance, forces the major parties to be more accountable if they want the numbers to get legislation through and starts to put the fear of God into them. Why do you think they changed the rules for being elected to the senate?

    Old Man: I only know about Xenophon's track record. It has not been for the big end of town. It has not been for Nock's benefit (he spoke again pollie retirement benefits). And last Xenophon has pursued sound legislation which the big boys found unpalatable.
    The question is WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT VOTE FOR THE XENOPHON PARTY? A no brainer!
    I looked at your link. Most of the voting was spot on but I would disagree on a couple. But then how many times have Abbott and Turnbull 'changed' their minds on policies? Run out of fingers? Not enough toes either. I think that I may have made the point. Thanks for the link though.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:27pm
    MICK, I don't give a fig about Xenophon's track record, I just put that link there as a guide for those who may wish to follow your wise counsel about voting for an Independent. It's for those who are disillusioned with their first choice but would like an Independent who thinks like they do.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:19pm
    And my post was a suggestion on how to change the future and stop doing what has not worked in the past.
    PlanB
    13th May 2016
    9:20am
    Yes Mick I will not be voting for either of the big two I would not trust either of those
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    1:48pm
    All those ''nice to have'' things that the nation can't afford, Bonny? That would be the obscene superannuation tax concessions, profit shifting by multi-nationals to avoid tax, obscene salaries and benefits to useless politicians who got this nation into a shocking mess with the bad performance, but still claim fat pay checks, fat salaries and obscene benefits for CEOs - who then take multi-million dollar payouts to leave which they run the company into the ground. Yeah, lots of ''nice to have'' things we can't afford - but NONE of them being removed by the idiot overpaid morons running this nation. All they want to do is attack the backbone of the country and destroy everything generations of Australians have worked and fought for.
    Oldie87
    9th May 2016
    11:14am
    Can I also suggest that those with wish lists indicate where the money should be coming from to pay for it. And please no more increases of taxation and fees and charges. We pay enough.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:00pm
    SOME pay enough, Oldie82. Easy to fund worthwhile objectives. Just make those who DON'T pay their share cough up for a change.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    6:20pm
    Oldie82 your request will all on deaf ears with the left. They can only think of wealth redistribution.
    If you receive money from the government, if you are a PS or welfare recipient then chances are you will vote labor/Greens/ Independent in the hope that l your dreams will true. Problem is that these 3 groups will not agree on most things
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:45pm
    Actually it's about tilting the table and rigging the system....and them blaming the victim. A well trodden path.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    12:03pm
    No, Frank, it's the RIGHT who only think about wealth distribution - how to rip ALL wealth (including knowledge, skill, physical strength, etc.) out of the less privileged and transfer ALL OF IT to the rich.
    Adrianus
    13th May 2016
    12:32pm
    By the right I assume you refer to the LNP? Then why have they raised money by taxing high end super only to redistribute 50% of it to low income earners? Have they not been reading your posts?
    Anonymous
    14th May 2016
    8:04pm
    Um... $16000+ tax cuts to people earning $1 million a year. Tax cuts for companies with turnovers of nearly $10 million. $4000 taken from families on $60,000. $10000+++ taken from struggling part pensioners with incomes as low as $20000 a year (for a couple). Increased medical costs. Reduced heatlh and education. Don't see ANY evidence of taking from the wealthy to give to low income earners here, Frank. BECAUSE IT'S NOT HAPPENING. BUT LNP SUPPORTERS SEEM TO BE ABLE TO CONDONE AND SUPPORT LIES.
    biddi
    9th May 2016
    11:17am
    Unfortunately, no one party suits me and no doubt many others. My husband said
    vote for what is MOST important to you. That said, I'm voting for the ANIMAL JUSTICE PARTY.
    JoMojo
    9th May 2016
    1:11pm
    Agree this party would do good must see if they in favour of Medicinal Herbal Cannabis
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    11:51am
    I don't know which way to turn now. The LNP has shaken my confidence in them by introducing retrospectivity on super contributions by 10 years. 10 years?! OK you may say those who can afford to stash away $500,000 over the last 10 years can afford to have 15% of the overage taken from them ? However, when you think about it, it's like moving the zebra crossing then booking someone for jaywalking last week!
    On the other side we have the most leftist party in Australia's history.
    They are hell bent on destroying this country and have no credible economic plan for the future. If Labor get in I fear a more depressing repeat of their last effort, because the unions wont have Rudd or Gillard gatekeeping on their decisions. Their boy Shorten will be in the Lodge!
    Labor's plan to bolster funding to the public service by increasing taxes dovetails neatly into their big brother ideology. More money for Education, Health, and their various unions.
    I guess it's a choice between Turnbull the centrist and Shorten the hard leftist?
    Personally I don't trust Shorten. He's got a lot of baggage.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    12:24pm
    Yeah right Frank!
    Your normal post. Send money to the wealthy and demonise any government which actually spends money on the nation.
    The choice is clear. Vote Liberal and you are voting to send more taxpayer) money to the richest amongst us whilst levying taxes on average Australians. Vote Labor and you get money where does some good: PUBLIC education, PUBLIC hospitals, fixing the NBN all but destroyed by Turnbull. Whilst I will be voting for neither party I will ensure that my preference from whatever Independent I support does not go to the current lying deceitful bunch of morally devoid lot in government.
    You will not vote LNP? I doubt that.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    12:54pm
    Frank. I have spoken to a super expert and like me they think the retrospective measures have a good chance of being removed for the simple reason that the ATO data may not be very accurate and it is going to be very difficult to track these super contributions. They also feel that other changes are likely as well. Their advice was to do nothing at this stage.

    For retirees with low super balances and income just over the tax free threshold the ability to add more to super up until 75 is a good move.

    Education, NBN and health are bottomless pits for government spending so I think a lot can be gained by making them more efficient rather than just keep throwing money their way. How fast does the average home really need their internet to be? Most homes are signing up for plans way below their maximum speeds now. Anything above 10mbps is unnoticeable is our house for whatever anyone does. How far do we go trying to educate people because those who excel in education usually educate themselves? Health is also very inefficient.

    Like it or not our company tax is way too high to the rest of the world and that's why companies are not paying their tax here.
    ray @ Bondi
    9th May 2016
    1:21pm
    here, retrospective laws are unjust, and that a political party thinks people will think nothing are so wrong. that is the trouble with ALL government thye keep changing the goal posts and make things that okay now illegal years ago, not right.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    1:38pm
    Bonny, next time you talk to your super expert ask them to have a look at their annual statement where it states the total non-concessional contributions? How hard was that?
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    1:40pm
    You all thought the retrospective changes in the 2015 budget that slammed part pensioners were okay but now it affects you personally it is a different story.

    Those self funded retirees can't do a thing to change the retirement strategy they chose according to the rules. Get used to the rules changing in the middle of the game because you can't trust anything governments say anymore.

    I'd be real careful of any non concessional amounts within super for the very reason that they are classed as income when payed out for some pensioners already so the policy is already there to double count savings as income a second time.

    Company tax may be too high but as long as companies continue to borrow to fund speculation by buying back shares and mergers and acquisitions then it probably doesn't matter as these companies are not productive nor adding to employment or GDP.
    All that borrowing is a tax write off anyway. Pity it does nothing for the real economy.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    2:09pm
    Rae you make far too many assumptions for an intelligent person. I have no non concessional contributions so I am not affected by the retrospectivity. I have no confidence in something which changes so often regardless of how attractive it may seem today (or yesterday). What retrospective changes slammed part pensioners?
    mangomick
    9th May 2016
    2:18pm
    Send us your address Frank and i'll get a " Vote Greens" T shirt, out in the mail for you.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    2:42pm
    Frank if you have no non concessional contributions then why are you concerned? No matter what one does in life things change. Super and retirement rules are no different. You just have to go with the punches and change.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    3:27pm
    Bonny, I don't like people being unfairly treated in that way. Tony Abbott would not have done that. People can say what they like based on their ideology but when it comes to fostering an aspirational Australia we cannot be moving goal posts during the game.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:06pm
    So you think it was fair that people were putting in $540,000 in non concessional contributions just before the budget was announced just in case it was changed?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:17pm
    mang: love it! Not sure Frank would be let in the door of party HQ with one of those.
    I find the personal interests interesting with some of the posters above. Agree about Frank's address. It would make for some comment but Frank has attacked me for asking before suggesting I might come after him. I have to have a laugh now and then.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:29pm
    Tony Abbott did do it Frank. They passed THe Fair and Sustainable pension legislation that has stripped pensioners of the part pension they had counted on and made retirement decisions based on rules that then changed and there was nothing they could do about it.

    Goal posts moved in the game and no going back to change the arrangements made regarding lump sums and annuity type pensions. These people are penalised because they dared to save after tax dollars or were forced to do so by a compulsory form of super as part of the employment arrangement.

    It doesn't effect me Frank as I live on my own earnings but like you I don't like people being unfairly treated and these people have had retrospective changes to agreed rules that penalise them purely because they saved for their own retirement and trusted the government.

    Bonny do you think those people can go back and change their minds about the amount they will receive as a pension and the amount as a lump sum? Will the government give them back the hundreds of thousands of dollars surrendered so they can make a new decision? Thought not.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:36pm
    Rae I have no idea who you are talking about with people deciding how much they take as lump sum or pension. Personally I would never elect to take a pension that I cannot control.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    4:42pm
    If people were doing that, assuming that you are correct, then I'm sure there was a lawful reason for doing it. Why did Labor do nothing about it but whinge for 6 long years?!
    I'll tell you why. The Greens and their supporters are the ones mostly affected by the change.
    There should be something in the SIS act which points to it not being in the spirit of or intention of the legal parameters.
    The original idea for the $180k pa limit was so that those who were underfunded could get some additional money in without it affecting salary sacrifice arrangements etc. There was a window of opportunity for these contributions, but it was too long. I like the life time limit but I strongly object to the retrospectivity. I am not in favour of catching people doing the wrong thing and punishing harshly. I would much prefer to catch people doing the right thing and reward them. It is important that people know what the boundaries are and the consequenses they may face as a result of a breach.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:53pm
    How is it hard to track super contributions if you are honest?
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    4:58pm
    Rae that is something which is happening in the future. It has nothing to do with retrospectivity.
    At the same time, I understand your grievance with future changes to the treatment of undeducted contributions for those who have taken pensions.
    Who knows? maybe this was a square up? When the referee isn't strong enough to move the goal posts he can blow the whistle against the other side.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:05pm
    Trebor I hear that the ATO records on super contributions are only accurate back to 2007 and some experts even doubt that.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    6:49pm
    Bonny how long do you keep your tax records?
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    6:59pm
    I still have my tax records back to 2007. However I know that I haven't put any non concessional contributions into super since the early 1990s.

    Most people would not keep their tax records back to 2007 as the ATO does not require them to be kept that long under normal situations.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    7:03pm
    Frank I'd ring the ATO and find out what they knew before I would tell them anything.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    7:03pm
    Hmm - yeeeuuuush.. I once contacted them about an issue and they couldn't provide the evidence. But I suppose nine years will do.....

    Still - anyone who is honest should have a paper trail and if anyone is being short-shafted there will be the usual appeals system. Not sure how anyone would be able to go about hiding super contributions myself... but then - how would I know?
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    7:30pm
    I ring the ATO about once a year for a ruling on something and they are usually very helpful.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    7:57pm
    I only keep my records for 5 years. If they were to ask me about something which happened in 2007 I honestly would not know. I cant see how they would rely on their records only. However, super is a little different because of the constant rule changes over the years things like service date and type of contributions are important and that is why there are running totals of those components.
    PlanB
    13th May 2016
    9:15am
    Bonny I have aALL my records from 2007 always wise to keep for at LEAST 7 years

    9th May 2016
    11:51am
    There are absolutely NO promises made by ANY politician which I would believe and, therefore, have NO impact on how I vote. The GREAT MAJORITY of politicians are LIARS and will tell you ANYTHING for their OWN benefit, be it election, re-election, advancement, or monetary gain. Wake up to yourselves!!
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    12:02pm
    Fast Eddie, don't you think you may be a little tough on some of them? I think there is a big difference in what they think they can do, what they believe is possible, and what they can actually achieve. I'm sure many times their intentions are watered down, and in many cases changed, at the end of negotiations. Take for example the LNP's intention to clean up and re introduce the Building and Construction Commission. They have found it extremely difficult. I agree with the GG's decision to authorise a Double Dissolution.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    12:23pm
    Frank, there have been a couple of promises kept and some achievements because of words honoured, but if you look back on what has been said and compare that to what has EVEN BEEN DONE, let alone achieved, the difference is immense, to say the very least! Most of the "achievements" (Ha!) have been so insignificant or with matters so irrelevant that they amount to F.A. and they aren't worthy of mention by anyone BUT politicians and ONLY to show that they are doing SOMETHING for their huge salary. Don't be naive, mate.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    12:27pm
    And Frank trolling....again. Let's have a Royal Commission into the banks and better still a federal ICAC with wide ranging powers to check out the corruption at the top of town. Not happening is is Frank!

    Eddie: I agree with you. The choice might actually be between mass broken promises and one broken promise. Both are bad but this government takes the cake. I cannot understand how anybody could even consider re-electing it after the last 2 years.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    12:44pm
    "I cannot understand how anybody could even consider re-electing it after the last 2 years:

    Or a Labor government after the previous 6!
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    2:01pm
    KSS, better not to mention that 6 years of horror.
    Our borders were being breached every 2nd day. It was surreal, with hundreds of people dying and that Greens Senator urging for it to continue. What an international disgrace Australia was when we caused those deaths. Funny how the Human Rights Commission said nothing at the time.
    Did anyone else notice how law enforcement was weakened as a result of Shorten and his Labor mates going asleep at the wheel.
    What a horror!!
    Australia will always come second to the Labor Party.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:19pm
    I am surprised KSS. Not what I would have thought you would say. So what are you going to do? Elect the minor criminal or the Alan Bond of the criminal fraternity?
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:04pm
    Frank, when conditions change politicians apologize and phase in changes with respect for the people they affect. They don't gloatingly declare ''We said no changes to pensions IN THIS TERM. They don't apply until next term so they don't count.'' It's not just a vile stinking unconscionable lie. It's a lie about telling a lie. The level of dishonesty beggars belief. And you try to justify it? Do you share their complete and utter lack of integrity and human decency?
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    6:33pm
    Rainey have you been in a coma since 2007? You know full well the ALP and Unions wasted our savings and borrowed more. But to make matters worse they committed a lot of forward spending!
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:48pm
    You would run with this sort of lie Frank. Obviously you have not bothered to look at the national finances since Tony Abbott won office. If you want to talk about fiscal irresponsibility and government for vested interests this is where you need to start. Not your "left" garbage which you routinely trot out here.
    buby
    11th May 2016
    10:17am
    oh thanks for that lecture fast Eddie, at the tender age of 63, i really don't need to be told that, cause i understand fully. Really i do!
    Still doesn't sort the fact that i have to vote, and i'm not sure of the donkey that i wish to vote for cause i don't trust none of them.
    and as for the Independants round here, they don't give you any info about themselves and you won't know much of anything until the time comes to put down ya X.....?
    So where do you go from there? NOwhere!!
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    12:06pm
    It's you who has been in a coma, Frank. The ALP and Unions did NOT waste our saving and borrow more. That was the LNP. The Howard government gave all the benefits of the boom to the 20% richest, and created forward obligations that the nation couldn't meet when the boom ended. Labor did a reasonable job of getting us through the GFC in spite of that disadvantage. Sure, Labor makes mistakes and Unions cause problems now and again, but NOTHING compared to the disaster this LNP has caused with its greed and incompetence
    Adrianus
    13th May 2016
    12:25pm
    Yes of course Rainey, the unions are very responsible with money, especially other people's. They run everything like clockwork and we all trust them to handle our money. Their accounting systems are world's best practice. They are great with credit cards too. Hey? I wonder if we could get the unions to open a bank???
    Anonymous
    14th May 2016
    8:10pm
    Frank, I've often wondered why some fools persist in supporting an inept and unconscionable government. Now I know. Clearly you and Bronny are illiterate. Can't comprehend plain English.

    Read my post. I didn't say anything about unions being ''very responsible'' or ''running everything like clockwork''. Those are YOUR words. I said they cause problems. I said the make mistakes. I have elsewhere said I don't like unions. But they can't hold a candle to this corrupt and inept LNP with their massive mismanagement and gross unconscionable class warfare.
    Capn Dan
    9th May 2016
    11:59am
    Entering the Promised Land of election promise fantasy. What about this one: Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke, in 1987, said that "by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty"
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    12:12pm
    That's an honourable goal, but how do you achieve it if you then say.... Any boss who doesn't give their drunken staff a day off tomorrow is a bum?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    12:28pm
    A pretty stupid statement!
    mangomick
    9th May 2016
    2:22pm
    Those same people still living in poverty aren't children now ,so i guess he was right eventually.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:52pm
    Oh Capn Dan, you missed Hawke's best election promise. He was told to read out '1million' but spoke off the cuff and said " By the year 2000 we will plant 1billion trees". Mathematicians then worked out that to achieve that goal, he would need to plant 3 trees per second each and every minute of every day until 2000 and that was if he started the moment he announced the policy.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:20pm
    Sounds like aerial seeding to me Old Man.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:29pm
    Good one MICK, I'll stop accusing pollies of talking bullshit but I'll now accuse them of aerial seeding.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:34pm
    We planted out over 300 000 trees for Rotary in the dune reclamation program during that time so a billion might have been achievable.

    It took about 10 years to do it though with the shade house program and help each year from the local schools.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:55pm
    Poverty was a small town just north of the Tasmanian border and did an Atlantis...... so all the children living in poverty are no longer there....
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:24pm
    Well done Rae but just to help with some maths, 1,000,000 seconds is about 11½ days, 1,000,000,000 seconds is just over 31 years. Hawke made the statement in 1989.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:21pm
    Cracking me up Old Man. Loosen up mate!
    buby
    11th May 2016
    10:26am
    "by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty"
    yes it was a hell of a promise.
    and i don't think any child does live in poverty in australia! Well none that i have seen.
    cause if you have seen the poverty that is overseas in many countries, what you see here is nothing.
    I think children have pretty well got it sewn up living in Australia.
    Unless their parents, stuff it up, or perhaps through some other unknown situation!
    Or some Kids decide to become homeless, for reasons unknown to us.
    It could happen. but still i'm sure they would be cared for.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    6:41am
    Oh dear, buby. You live in an insulated bubble and have tunnel vision, I'm afraid. I guess it's comforting to believe that crap, but I'm sorry to disappoint you. It IS CRAP.

    Yes, we in Australia are better off than those in many other countries. It is good that children here have enough to eat. Poverty is different in Australia. Here, it means social exclusion. It means denial of opportunity. It means severe mental pain because you can't have what other children have. And anyone who thinks kids who become homeless are well cared for is sadly deluded. It's better than it once was, but kids are still horrendously abused and deprived in foster homes and so-called ''care'' institutions.

    I've seen poverty in overseas countries, and I'd prefer to be poor in Australia. Absolutely! But please don't be deluded enough to think that children don't live in poverty in Australia, or that it isn't devastatingly damaging to them to grow up poor.
    Ayin
    9th May 2016
    12:08pm
    I am sending an email to each aspirant with a list of questions to be answered and then the one who most aligns with my wishes will have my vote. Let us now stop the Party in Canberra!!!!!
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    1:48pm
    You still believe they will tell you the truth don't you? You will be told exactly what they believe you want to hear. It is a pointless exercise.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    3:12pm
    Ayin, I agree with Rae. You can only rate them on their past performance. That is how actuaries get it so right. People are committed to an habitual behaviour based on a core belief system. The world is a stage and every actor plays their part. We will see some pretty convincing performances but we need to look past it.
    We have seen how Shorten dragged those miners out of the ground and had a beer with them. We saw how Turnbull used watermelons as a prop to remind people of the Greens behaviour. Green on the outside, but very red on the inside, yet not a mention in the media. Shorten is a very clever campaigner and will have more arrows in the quiver than Shorten.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:24pm
    Shot yourself in the foot Frank. Turnbull is not only a clever campaigner but is supported by mates in big business and the media overall. It will be hard for Shorten as the message can sometimes be drowned out with the way he communicates. All one can hope for is that voters look at the policies, the message and WHO the parties are working for before they drop that piece of paper in the ballot box.
    I live in hope but understand the psyche of people whose attitudes are often rusted on rather than flexible.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    5:32pm
    MICK, I would appreciate it if you would stop making comments on my comments. Why don't you talk about the great Independents and what they can do for Australia?
    I see Ricky Muir now wants to import semi automatic shotguns. I suppose your Labor mates will back him all the way!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:23pm
    Not sure about that one Frank. Do you have a link? If Ricky is doing that then he will not be missed. And of course the current government then have one less 'impediment' to deal with.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    7:49am
    You really need to be let out of your study occasionally.
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/19/ricky-muir-fires-adler-shotgun-in-video-criticising-calls-to-restrict-weapon
    Polly Esther
    9th May 2016
    12:11pm
    The tip is it could be a hung parliament.
    I think the majority of them should be.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:25pm
    I have the rope. I also know a judge. Any ideas?
    Circum
    9th May 2016
    6:17pm
    Hmmmm Mick.Try hanging the judge to show that the public is serious about sentencing.
    Kato
    9th May 2016
    6:47pm
    Sounds like the sex party may be in.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:43am
    Can I join?
    Lescol
    9th May 2016
    12:31pm
    If there is to be any hope of stopping the rot I hope all will cast a formal vote; for whomever and the current government is placed last! Promises? How about no more bully boy antics? A visionary, less combative government? As well a review of visa costs to Oz and transportable universal aged pensions would be nice but I'd be happy to just see a government change! cheers.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:26pm
    Agreed. This bad bad lot HAVE TO GO. If not then enjoy new taxes rolled out every other month.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    7:57am
    I don't think so MICK. We need the Labor Party to keep the bastards honest.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:46am
    Neither side is honest. It's just that the rich man's party is in it for the rich and Labor mostly does a job of government FOR THE NATION. There is a difference.
    buby
    11th May 2016
    10:29am
    Yes indeed Mick, this lot are so full of themselves.
    and just worry about the big business's and forget about the workers. Well whats left of the workers! OH and did i mention the oldies, who slugged away making Australia the grand ole place to live in!!
    KB
    9th May 2016
    12:40pm
    Parties do not stick to promises, I would like to see Australians living in poverty being given a helping hand. A major commitment to provide housing for people who do not have a roof over their heads. Pensioners are struggling with the cost of living.Since the Liberals were elected we have gone backwards. I would also like to see a real genuine commitment by both parties to help people of ages to gain employment not this current token effort of work for the dole and the new scheme to employ young people. $4 an hour. The young will be taken advantaged of by some employers. I will be voting Labour and independants in the Senate.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    1:06pm
    "I would also like to see a real genuine commitment by both parties to help people of ages to gain employment not this current token effort of work for the dole and the new scheme to employ young people. $4 an hour."

    You do know that the so called $4 an hour ($200 a fortnight) is ON TOP of the New Start allowance don't you, not instead of? And that it is short term (1-3 months), and that it is 'voluntary' and only after having claimed benefits for six months or more? Or that the internship is not just any old work for any old employer but the young person must "receive employability skills training which is industry endorsed and evidence-based to ensure young job seekers can be competitive in the labour market". And it doesn't start until April 2017.

    For a single person on full New Start, their 'income' will increase from $527.60 a fortnight by some 38% to $727.60. Not a bad return I'd say for getting out of bed in the morning.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:09pm
    The new scheme to employee young people at $4 an hour is an improvement on those months of work placements some of our young people do today to get through their courses. We have trainee nurses working months on these work placements Monday to Friday and then working night shifts in nursing homes at weekends to get enough to live on. These people would love $4 an hour just to help them through their course.

    Young people with young families also struggle and barely live form pay to pay. They don't have any super or capital to fall back on in an emergency so resort to using credit cards instead. So begins the endless cycle of debt upon debt for them.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:42pm
    Unemployment Benefit plus Internship = just under $7 an hour. Good biccies if you are an American minimum wage slave and need to collect food stamps as well.

    $10,000 to the employer who puts on an Intern - what's that to cover? Cost of burning the midnight oil working out how best to get a worker for free and how long you have to keep them on?
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:44pm
    Why is it, do you think - that so many whine about 'welfare', yet have no problem with a gratis payment for doing an 'internship', as well as a massive handout to an employer?

    The extra for an 'internship' is not welfare, any more than Unemployment Benefits are.... but what about that hefty $10,000?
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:45pm
    It's a nonsense policy that will disappear like the first drop of snow in the Texas Panhandle.... and the number of 'interns' actually taken on will be around ten or twenty.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    3:59pm
    Political promise. "We will keep penalty rates intact". Same person said on radio in response to the proposition that Fair Work Australia might reduce Sunday penalty rates. "We will accept the umpire's decision". The problem politicians now have is that we can look up all sorts of statements and quotes and make comparisons wheras in the past we could only rely on memory.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:30pm
    If the Business Council of Australia had its way working Australians would be paid $4 an hour. I can hear the rhetoric: 'this will create more jobs'.....which means more money to those in senior management. Never much changes and the US has managed to achieve a permanent working class living in abject poverty. We are still working on it here.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    6:13pm
    Did anyone actually ask the Business Council for an opinion - or are they just interjecting....

    Next game..... that's the BCA put to bed....
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    8:40pm
    No Trebor, the $10,000 is NOT for offering an internship, its for when they EMPLOY the person AFTER an internship to help pay the real wage of an employee. Its an incentive for the employer to convert an internee to an employee not just send them back to the dole queue after the 1-3 months.
    Incognito
    10th May 2016
    12:22am
    Will the $4 an hour be tax free? If the jobs are there why not employ them rather than have them as an intern? It won't be voluntary because Centrelink will just cancel your benefits if you don't go.
    It will not create more jobs, it will not give them long term security either. Most will take the $10,000 employ them for a little while then dump them back on the dole because the work won't be available for them long term. It just won't work out for anyone except the employer.
    Turning to being leaders in renewable energy will create jobs, has already been proven, but the fossil fuel industry works to stop it because they want to keep making their billions polluting the planet.
    buby
    11th May 2016
    10:35am
    Yes Musicveg, me thinks you are right about the part of,
    "Turning to being leaders in renewable energy will create jobs, has already been proven, but the fossil fuel industry works to stop it because they want to keep making their billions polluting the planet"
    MD
    9th May 2016
    12:45pm
    Mick, Interesting quote of Mal's ? is actually out of context. The original in it's entirety belonged to George Bernard Shaw thus: "Life wasn't meant to be easy, my child: but take courage: it can be delightful." To which I take the liberty to impose, 'Until you reach voting age'.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:34pm
    Fraser's full quote was: "Life wasn't meant to be easy, but so so sweet".
    Thanks for the information MD. I was not aware of that but hope that all the readers on this website read your clarification. It makes a point about the the responsibility of the ballot box.
    I sort of rave on about not voting for a representative in the same manner as your football team in the pub after a match. There is a difference.....but many voters become rusted on and forget that the ballot box is a civil duty rather and not just an unnecessary impost.
    disillusioned
    9th May 2016
    12:45pm
    Reverse the upper monetary cap for the Age Pension to where it was before Abbott and Hockey hacked it down. I am just under the limit at present, but will be just over from January 2017. I am so disillusioned with this "slash and burn" government who protect their own pollies' pensions and entitlements while decimating ours. Long may they lose their own entitlements and pensions!
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:11pm
    I noticed that this was not mentioned in Bill Shorten's reply to the budget.
    micko
    9th May 2016
    4:32pm
    https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:36pm
    So your next load of BS is to attack Labor for not including something in its policy. Maybe the meeting at Liberal Party HQ was a wake Bonny. Sounds like desperation stuff to me.
    Circum
    9th May 2016
    6:50pm
    Abbotts changes to pension entitlements were a slash and burn approach with no phasing in which would have been a more acceptable/caring approach.Shorten stated he preferred a tax on superannuation income over $75000 (which sounded reasonable to me).Sadly Shorten now wants to double dip by still pushing his $75000 tax policy but keeping Abbotts changes to pension limits.This is hypocritical double dipping.I agree with many comments here that both parties are sly and prepared to say anything to get elected and enjoy the spoils that come with being elected cka corruption.Turnbulls attack on medicare and proposal to introduce Abbotts co-payment for medical treatment via the back door is another kick in the guts for many people.Regarding the current senate being obstructionist by not passing many bills it is worth taking into account how many rubbish policies the government have submitted over the last few years.Maybe the senate did a good job.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    7:07pm
    The previous Labor policy for taxing over $100,000 super income was abolished because there is no uniform way super funds calculate income. Therefore it is an unfair policy that taxes some super funds more than others.

    Have multiple super funds in pension phase and you have a real nightmare.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:35pm
    I agree Disillusioned and Circum - partly because it was such a patently cruel and unfair measure that attacked people who had already suffered hideously due to falling investment returns, and no other group of Australians has been so cruelly persecuted. Also, you are right that there was no warning and no time to take action to change circumstances. Those hurt were those who did what governments had urged for decades - the honest and responsible.

    The main reason I want it reversed, though, is because it is economically irresponsible in the extreme, and will drive the cost of aged pensions up.

    We now have a situation where instead of saving and investing, the soon-to-retire have a wonderful investment opportunity open to them. The Australian taxpayer will pay them 7.8%, indexed to inflation, plus a host of benefits, for hiding a few hundred thousand under the mattress or in a household safe! Only a blithering idiot would suggest you can save money by punishing people for saving and being honest and rewarding irresponsible, dishonest, and manipulative conduct. The already retired will gain substantially by spending up big on cruises or home renovation or selling their home and buying a much more expensive one. I calculated for a neighbour that they could spend $100,000 on a cruise and recover $180,000 in tax dollars over 10 years!!!!

    Anyone with an ounce of fiscal common sense would see immediately that the taper rate MUST be linked to current return rates, otherwise you encourage dishonesty and irresponsible spending. Actually, anyone with a brain should realize that assets do not determine means. Someone with $500,000 at age 90 is a hell of a lot richer than someone aged 65 with $500,000 to last them through 30 years of not earning. Someone who can keep earning or who is educated in investment strategies and can achieve high returns is clearly richer with the same amount of savings as someone who has no understanding of investment and can't keep earning. The means test is completely and utterly irrational, illogical, detrimental, unfair, and making the pension economically unsustainable. The entire system needs a massive overhaul.

    The new taper rate also encourages over-investment in housing, at a time when we need older folk to scale down to give younger Aussies as chance to get into the market.

    It does EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what is needed and beneficial for the nation, and it was sold with a huge lie that it only affected ''millionaires'' (actually, it affects people with as little as $275,000!!!)

    I believe the Labor Party is working on major changes, but they are not yet ready to announce their proposals. I will eagerly await their announcement, because the LNP has convinced me that they are appalling economic managers who not only have no respect for fairness and decency, but also haven't the intelligence to manage a child's pocket money let alone the federal budget.
    Circum
    9th May 2016
    8:40pm
    I assume you mean that there are problems identifying earnings on super income wheter its $100000 or $75000.The ATO has a computer which can help in calculations.If calculation rules vary amongst funds then you change them to eliminate unfairness.Simples.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:25pm
    That sounds like whiteshoe brigade footwork to me Bronny.
    DJ
    9th May 2016
    12:54pm
    daz, I agree entirely with Idontforget regarding your unfortunate rhetoric regarding Labour gay marriage legislation. I doubt that in the final analysis there is a majority in favor of same, anyway that will not doubt be determined in due course by a plebiscite. In the mean time we are entitled to opinions other than yours and will not be intimated into accepting without comment your opinion on this matter through fear of insult.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:39pm
    Deed is done DJ. Let's move on.
    I'd love to see a referendum tagged on to the ballot paper. That saves money and gives whoever wins a direction. Maybe not binding but then it would be representative of how the nation feels....although if it went against the homosexual community then they would not let it go. Just my thoughts.
    fey
    9th May 2016
    12:55pm
    I'll be voting for The Greens because this party will care for our environment so that 50 years into the future our planet may still be a healthy place for our descendants to live on.
    Plus it will do something about the incarceration of asylum seekers, agreed to by both major parties, in Nauru and PNG. This is a cruel policy and all Australians should hang their heads in shame that it is allowed to continue. Our government as good as 'bribed' these countries to get them to run Australian-funded camps, as it did Cambodia to get it to agree to resettle asylum seekers.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    1:29pm
    Ah yes the Greens. They who put fluffy animals, illicit drugs, unauthorised arrivals and sexual diversity above the future of Australia and Australians.
    fey
    9th May 2016
    3:10pm
    Thanks for your comment KSS!

    But do you not understand that unless we look after this planet then all our other concerns mean nothing. We can bleat about how tough we pensioners have it and how the rich keep getting richer but if our environment becomes so polluted that plants, animals, birds and bees cannot survive then we humans are finished.

    That is why we need The Greens, to remind us of this fact so we can change our ways while there is still time.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:03pm
    Fey, please note that those on Nauru and Manus are not there because they are "asylum seekers", they are there because they are illegal immigrants. They tried to enter Australia without the correct visas and other immigration certificates after having reached a safe haven which posed no threat to them or their family.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:41pm
    Exactly Old Man. Now they find that they are not where they want to be so they will do anything to get the attention of the do gooders so that they can get what they want.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:41pm
    Sounds good fey but the Greens are there purely for the money they get from each vote and the power the same as the others.

    If anyone really wanted to save the planet it would have been done back in the 1970s when the knowledge first was made available.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:45pm
    fey: I do not support homosexual marriage or the Sarah Hanson-Young ideology of building a bridge and inviting what has happened in Europe recently here.
    Just out of interest sake about 'asylum seekers': I heard a couple of weeks ago that all but one in Papua and New Guinea have returned home when offered citizenship. If true then these people were NEVER asylum seekers. Just immigrants looking for a better way of life. Whilst that is not bad our standard of living has been impacted by the huge demands for new infrastructure and social security to cope with these new Australians and of course the toxic religion which some bring with them has been there to see, with much worse to come in the future.
    fey
    9th May 2016
    5:17pm
    Wow! Such a lot of conservative anger out there!
    And a Daily Telegraph reader also judging by the 'fluffy animal' comment.
    Why are some people against homosexual marriage? How would it hurt you?
    And asylum seekers sought asylum in Australia because Australia is a signatory to the UN Convention. Other countries they travelled through to get here are not.
    Please people, if you want to criticise others' postings then please try to be across and understand the facts of the topic even if you do not agree with them rather than sound off on a bigotted rant.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:30pm
    Personally I don;t give a rat's if gays get married - as long as they shut up about it....
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:37pm
    Thank you fey for the assumption that all of those who are against you are conservatives. I also congratulate you on your knowledge of how each and every illegal immigrant actually bypassed all of those 148 countries which are a signatory of the UNHCR. Two of those countries are PNG and Nauru.
    fey
    9th May 2016
    6:43pm
    Re conservatism Old Man: if the cap fits then wear it.

    Nauru became a signatory to the UN convention on refugees in 2011 after encouragement by Abbott and the Australian Government cheque book.

    Personally I'd prefer my taxes be spent on health, education, concessions for pensioners, etc., rather than funding other countries to support asylum seekers and confirmed refugees in camps and I guess if we had to jump into war in the Middle East then we shouldn't be surprised if a lot of people want to leave. Perhaps they thought Australia would be sympathetic to their plight!

    I'd also prefer my taxes not be spent on submarines and assorted other military equipment and weapons that kill people. But that's just me.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    8:52pm
    Fey, if you want to throw the UN Convention grenade, then how about the requirement that asylum seekers seek asylum in the first safe place they arrive at. In the case of those coming by boat from Indonesia, that would mean first opportunity would probably have been Malaysia. It is a short bus ride from the airport (where they landed) to KL and all the safe Embassies and Consulates. But no, they continued into Indonesia, another safe country with an equal number of Embassies and Consulates but no again. So a minimum two safe countries are by-passed on their way to Australia. You expect Australia to uphold the UN Convention, what about the would be refugees do the same?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:28pm
    fey: asylum seekers and immigrants are not the same. The two tags are intentionally swapped to gain sympathy. And yes there are some genuine asylum seekers, but not the ones who can stump up a bucket load of money to get to Australia.
    maelcolium
    9th May 2016
    12:57pm
    LNP = Corporate tax cuts paid for by reducing Medicare, Pensions, Superannuation, Education and Health. The cuts could have been paid for by repealing CGT and NG, but that would have affected the politicians and their friends holding negatively geared property. They reject carbon policy have no policies for middle Australia.
    ALP = Repeal NG and CGT rebate to pay for Medicare, Education and Health. They have a focus on fairness and middle Australia. They need to work on pensions and carbon policy.
    Greens and Independents = Balance of power but no policy.

    Answer. Vote ALP in the lower house and put LNP last. Vote independents in the Senate with ALP, Greens and LNP last on the ticket. That will kick these kleptocrats out of the lower house and keep the lower house honest.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    1:59pm
    Well worth a thought. Unfortunately welfare is currently unsustainable so continuing on the LNP tax cuts to the high income people simply doesn't help as that is how we got here in the first place.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:48pm
    A very very sound model. By giving Independents (those who are not simply funneling votes to either of the majors) the opportunity to kill bad legislation Labor would be on its best behaviour.
    I like it. Sounds like a winner to me. I am intending to vote for Xenophon Party in the senate anyway and encourage readers to think about your strategy. Brilliant!
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:00pm
    We don't have welfare here - we have bought and paid for Social Security derived from taxation going back to the forties and even earlier.

    Not the pensioner and the unemployed's fault that the stash was wasted on politician's junkets and every second-rate social movement that would provide a nice little earner for some insider.

    Think it through... lots of money goes into 'equality' programs that are exactly the opposite - but a lot of old mates cop a hefty payout from them.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    12:12pm
    Actually, Trebor, we do have welfare. We have middle class welfare and welfare for retired politicians and welfare for the rich who don't want to pay taxes and welfare for the elite who qualify for generous grants and rebates.

    What we DO NOT have is welfare for the aged, the sick, the disabled and the unemployed. They are ENTITLED to the taxation-funded pension that was bought and paid for through a special tax levy, and they are ENTITLED to compensation for the sacrifice their social class made to keep this country safe and provide an environment in which the greedy rich can continue to prosper.

    The problem, though, is the rich are so incredibly selfish that they don't want to pay for ANYTHING. They want to take everything and give NOTHING back, and somehow they want civilization to keep functioning. It can't, but it will be a while yet before that becomes apparent to people whose brains have been addled by their greed.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    1:55pm
    Sorry, Trebor, I should have said we have WEALTHFARE. Ongoing transfers of earned wealth from the lifters who build the nation to the wealthy bludging rent-seeking privileged who destroy it.
    maelcolium
    9th May 2016
    1:03pm
    Diabetes 2 is an epidemic of national proportions. The LNP are making Diabetics pay through the nose for their lancets, test strips and blood tests etc all of which are needed to control this disease. They plan to defund the NDSS and now the state funding for Diabetes Australia, so these groups have to rely on diabetics joining these associations to obtain meagre support to manage their disease. This Government doesn't care. Any diabetic of family of a diabetic should vote them out.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:15pm
    Type 2 diabetes is a disease of bad life style choices. People need to take control and change their lifestyle choice.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    1:58pm
    A couple of questions maelcolium:

    * Were T2 diabetics paying for their 'equipment' three years ago?
    * How exactly did the ALP fund the NDIS and what provisions had they made for its future when they legislated it three years ago?
    * What is the ALP going to do to change the lifestyle habits of those with or heading for T2 diabetes?
    * The Federal Government does not normally fund state based not for profit organisations. As Diabetes NSW (for example) is a consumer/community based organisation, why do you think its membership should not fund its activities?
    * How much funding has been withdrawn from Diabetes Australia - the national organisation - compared say to Hepatitis Australia - another health focussed national association with state based consumer/community membership?
    * There are 54,000 registered charities in Australia, no doubt all for good causes connected with health, children, animals and research and other worthy causes. How much would the ALP be prepared to fund each one and who would choose which to fund if not all?

    In my local area a story surfaced last week about a family with two children each with a very rare bone disease. There is a drug for this disease that will not cure it but may reduce pain for a while. Neither child will live much beyond 20yrs. Naturally the parents are campaigning for the Federal Government to pay for their children to get the drug which is currently undergoing trials in Australia and is NOT on the PBS. The cost? $800,000+ per child per year. So $2m a year for say 10 years for 2 children who will eventually succumb to their disease or $20m over 10 years to fund management of a lifestyle disease that could be avoided or $20m invested in aged care infrastructure facilities? Do you want to make that choice?
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    2:51pm
    First thing I would do was find out if the qualify for the drug trial.

    Unfortunately as I understand drugs trials they are done by drug companies under certain conditions and criteria with certain hospitals. Each hospital does not know what they others are doing. So to find a trial you have to contact the hospitals you think might be doing these trials and then hope you get the right person to talk to with that hospital. They will then decide if you met their criteria and if they will accept you. Just because one hospital rejects you on their criteria doesn't mean you wont be accepted by other hospital on their criteria. It is not an easy exercise but I have known a politician or two that have managed to get people on trials through who they know in certain drug companies.

    Certain drugs are only on the PBS for certain conditions as well.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    3:31pm
    Bonny I didn't go into the whole story but there is a trial for those 2 kids but they can't get on it! I don't know this family so don't know all the details. It was just an illustration to show that there are difficult decisions that have to be made all of them important, but not all can be funded.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:13pm
    Yes I am well aware of trials and the frustration people have trying to get onto them. Most people have to make difficult decisions from time to time in their lives.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:51pm
    I have to agree with Bronny's first comment about lifestyle (am I nuts?).
    Don't worry about the cuts though maelcolium, go to the private hospital Frank and Bonny use and you'll be right.
    maelcolium
    9th May 2016
    5:06pm
    Completely wrong Bonny. Diabetes 2 is a genetic disease.Educate yourself so that you don't act like a complete moron and continually make yourself look stupid. https://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/ One type 2 is diagnosed every five minutes and most are otherwise healthy middle aged adults. Stupidity and ignorance are reflective of the views you express on this forum and that is a lifestyle choice. Get a life!

    KSS - FYI Diabetes 2 was 100% funded from the Hawke years and was increased during the Howard era. The national and state institutions were also 100% funded but have been forced into not for profit status since the Abbott 2014 budget. They were support groups designed to manage what all in the medical field understand is a national epidemic of national significance. Hep by comparison is insignificant as is AIDS yet they have a disproportionate share of health funding. Type 2 complications will kill more people in Australia than cancer despite the hype and more sick days are lost through type 2 complications than any other disease. The reason and the only reason this government is defunding this disease is because they don't care. So irrespective of your rusted on status, pull your head out of your nether region and understand the problem. It's not political it's inhumane!

    The trials for the disease you and blathering bonny are yammering on about is also insignificant compared to type 2. You and Bonny have absolutely no idea of the social and economic impact of type 2 not just in Australia but across the globe. The difference in Australia is that funding is being withdrawn whereas the rest of the world are increasing funding. It's easy to blithely question something you don't understand, so go on this site and do some real work to understand the type 2 situation. It hills 1.5 million people every year http://www.ibtimes.com/world-diabetes-day-facts-2015-how-global-epidemic-kills-15-million-year-2184073 There is every chance one or more of your family or friends (if you have any) are walking around undiagnosed but suffering from nerve damage, kidney and liver damage and brain malfunction. Inform your self of the real facts before spouting off some ideological nonsense http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068646/

    The National Library of Medicine in the US describes diabetes 2 as the epidemic of the 21st century and undiagnosed deaths are above 18 million people every year. Add that to the 15 million diagnosed and over 30 million people (over 90,000 daily) are dying.

    The trouble with you and Bonny is that you spend too much time on this site smelling each other's farts. You would both do well to get yourself informed before you pontificate on issues you don't care to understand. Both of you are pathetic excuses for humanity.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    6:06pm
    Type 1 diabetes is a genetic disease. Type 2 is a lifestyle disease and is completely reversal given lifestyle changes before suffer damage to your body and organs.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    9:10pm
    Correct Bonny. T2 diabetes is avoidable, T1 is not.

    And maelcolium, if the funding was so great up to 1991, how come people learned nothing and the incidence of T2 diabetes has continued to grow? I can only assume by your insulting language to me, that you or a family member has this condition. Perfectly understandable that you should want to fight that battle then. However, there are a great many competing diseases and conditions and who are you to judge whether diabetes should take precedence over Hep C, HIV, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer kids, or anything else? As I said above, these are very difficult decisions to make and the world and Australia has changed in the last 25 years. Perhaps you need to keep up, join the 21st century and stop hankering for a bygone age nostalgic as that may be.
    JoMojo
    9th May 2016
    1:08pm
    Pensioners need that $ rise only one spouting off here is Lambie network.
    I am one of millions in need of medicinal herbal cannabis as the opiates are now injuring me and I need 24/7 pain/disability relief without the side effects. MC much cheaper than pharma drugs and more efficient savings in the billions.

    We need to cut back some areas and child benefits is one. 2 children and u get everything ppl, govt. + employer, tax deducations, child care but cuts out after 2 so others can have a slice of the pie.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:02pm
    Hmm - a two child policy..... interesting....
    Incognito
    10th May 2016
    12:29am
    Medicinal cannabis will only be legalized when they can find a way to make money from it. They are already trying to find a way to put it in a pill/tablet form. Best to move to a S.A where you can grow and make your own.
    rtrish
    9th May 2016
    1:15pm
    1) Climate change, because no matter what else happens politically - what's the point if the earth is wrecked? 2) Good quality education at all levels, accessible to all - especially TAFE, which does great work. 3)Health care, when you need it, where you need it, at a cost you can afford - and that includes dental.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    2:56pm
    Nice to have but can we afford them?
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:49pm
    What we can't afford is publicly funded private providers that charge too much, cream tax dollars for their shareholders or directors and don't provide decent medicine or educational outcomes.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:54pm
    It never ceases to amaze me that some people are of the opinion that the planet needs to be fixed once it is stuffed. Are we for real?
    I watched a part of the Attenborough series the other night about the Arctic. What was ice not too long ago is now water and polar bears are not doing too well apparently. We soon will be joining them. And they say human beings are intelligent............God help us.
    Incognito
    10th May 2016
    12:31am
    And the oil companies are loving the melting ice, means they can drill for more, instead of looking at alternative sustainable renewable energy.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    12:48pm
    Careful....our current government may give them a subsidy.
    PRJ
    9th May 2016
    1:16pm
    Bill Shorten's sound attractive, but the budget & deficit must be repaired before we can afford them. I'm a pensioner but prefer the coherent plan of the Coalition to meet the needs of our generation in the long term.
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:52pm
    I would like to agree with you and if the taxes squandered by the NLP on private companies could be reined in I would again vote LNP too.

    Right now I think the amount of waste of money going to overseas corporations is a disgrace.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    4:57pm
    "Repair the budget". "Jobs and growth". The first slogan from Hockey, inc. The second from Morrison inc.
    What do both have in common? They are lies. The first has been well and truly put to bed. The second is a con as we'll get the jobs from continuing to put permanent employees on part time work and by reducing wages.
    Good luck to the mentally challenged who actually believe any chants from this government.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:42pm
    PRJ, the LNP couldn't manage a child's pocket money. They claimed to save $2.4 billion by telling people who saved to try to be self-sufficient in retirement that they should have spent their money or hid it under the mattress. They couldn't even figure out that someone with $275,000 in the bank is NOT a millionaire!

    Only a blithering fool would look at current investment rates and offer people TRIPLE the rate they are getting if they SPEND their money. I calculated that a neighbour could take a $100,000 cruise and the government would GIVE him $180,000 extra of taxpayer money over a decade.

    This mob are hopeless at economic management, which is why the national debt has tripled since they took over. I don't like Labor either, but I suspect they will do better than the LNP. At least their focus isn't stifling consumption to give the rich more money to stash in Panama!
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:20pm
    It has nothing to do with economic management if you neighbour wishes to spend $100,000 on a cruise to save $180,000. If interest rates were 17% then it would be the complete opposite scenario. The government will save money with this change over the long term.

    The only reason the debt has increased is because of the time bombs Labor left behind and a Senate that wants to control the government and not let the government govern.

    Now all the government needs to do to make it more equitable is add the house to the assets test. This will stop the stupid upsizing happening when people should be down sizing instead.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    7:18am
    Poor Bonny. Don't know how you got to be so well off with so many brain cells missing.

    Of course it would be the opposite scenario if interest rates were 17%. Then the taper rate change would be sensible and fair. But interest rates are less than 3% and FALLING. And only a blithering idiot would think RAISING the taper rate in such conditions was intelligent.

    The government knows very well it CAN'T add the family home to the assets test any time soon, and that would only address ONE problem and create a thousand more. It wouldn't solve the problem their UTTER STUPIDITY raising the taper rate created.

    And it has EVERYTHING to do with economic management, Bonny, when a STUPID IDIOTIC government wants to throw away taxpayer's money giving $180,000 to part pensioners who take $100,000 cruises. Let's challenge the media to make it public that this is what the government really did and see if there isn't a lot of anger among taxpayers.

    Sadly, the media is supporting government lies - as a are you, because YOU benefit from the corruption and dishonesty and just love seeing honest, decent, hard-working people suffer so the dishonest manipulators like you can buy more houses for their spoilt brats of kids.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    8:08am
    PRJ, I'm inclined to agree with you.

    Rae, are you referring to the donation of $480m to the Global Partnership Education Fund? Yes $480m. In 2007 the Labor government didnt waste any time in contributing $70.8 million in a three-year grant to the fund. In 2011, that was increased to $270 million to cover the next three years to 2014. Of the $140 million, a reduction, for 2015-2018, $51 million is still to be disbursed. Guess who the chairman is? Surprise Surprise ! Yes it’s Julia Gillard! She was rewarded with the chairmanship of the New York-based fund in 2012.
    MICK
    11th May 2016
    8:17am
    Frank the liberal crank strikes again.
    I notice you omitted to mention that the Carbon Tax which was repealed by Abbott inc. and which was working so well now costs taxpayers $8 billion EVERY YEAR in forgone revenue. Compare that with any of your rubbery figures troll!
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    7:11am
    PRJ, expert economists all over the world - as well as in Australia - agree that the way to fix the debt is to increase DEMAND and CONSUMPTION. What this government is doing is sending debt through the roof, and will continue to make the situation worse, IN ADDITION to destroying the society we value.

    It's common sense, really. If you put more money in the pocket of a high income earner, he hoards more in a tax haven. There's nothing to spend it on because he already has everything. If you put more money in the pocket of a poor person, they spend it. Their spending drives increased production to meet the increased demand, which drives more jobs, which drives more tax revenue, which reduces the debt. And driving more jobs means more people have more to spend which means more production which means more profit which means more jobs and more tax revenue and less debt. And so the cycle continues.

    Cutting taxes for companies is useless, because all that does is increase the tax of the company owner and offset the gain, or, if the company is foreign owned, send more money off shore. No company is going to increase production because of a tax cut. There's no point producing more to sit on the shelf because people can't afford to buy it! Production WILL increase when customers have more money to spend to purchase product. It's a simple equation and the LNP know it, but they don't want to fix the problem because their goal is social re-engineering to elevate the privileged and reduce the status of the underprivileged.

    If you want the debt addressed (and experts say it should be a lesser focus at present but will reduce naturally if you focus on the proper priorities), then DO NOT VOTE LNP.

    If you've read my posts about the taper rate change, and you understand basic math and logic, you would have seen one significant example of how wrong and destructive the LNP policies are and how inept the current Treasurer is. (He was the Minister who put forwar the proposal).

    There are dozens of other examples of their gross incompetence, and the evidence of their failure is clear in the fact that the debt has tripled since they came to power. And no, it has NOTHING to do with Labor, and it is NOT the fault of the responsible Senate that blocked the most damaging policies. It is the fault of inept elitist Treasurers and a party that actively supports transfer of wealth from the poor the rich.

    The increase in government debts and the degradation of economic conditions in developed countries has run parallel with the rise of neoliberal philosophies - which are the philosophies underpinning LNP policy.

    If we want national debt to reduce, we MUST get rid of the LNP now.

    And for the record, I'm a almost lifetime LNP voter, but not this time, because it's obvious what they are trying to do and it's very, very bad for the future of this nation.
    fearlessfly
    9th May 2016
    1:18pm
    1. Royal Commission into the bastard banks
    2. Wind back the savage attacks on Pensioners and other disadvantaged groups
    3. Dump the NBN FTTN crap and get back to FTTP
    4. Get rid of negative gearing totally
    5. Ravage politicians retirement perks and provisions
    No way am I voting for those Coalition dickheads, I'll probably have to vote Labour as they are the only outfit of any reasonable size to take over. I'm going to give One Nation my preference vote, they plan to raise the pension by $150 a fortnight to a pensioner couple. I like quite a few of their other policies as well. They can't do any worse than some of the other brain dead mongrels in the parliament and senate today.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:23pm
    None of these are going to make Australia a better place in the future.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    1:23pm
    None of these are going to make Australia a better place in the future.
    Oldie87
    9th May 2016
    1:28pm
    Ah, you would make a perfect politician. You have the answers to everything. GO for it. Why hang back.....
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:02pm
    You are spot on the money with FTTP. Turnbull butchered the NBN by tying to mix copper and fibre. The result is we have a substandard network which is already costing more than the original project.
    As for negative gearing.....something has to be done. The government will not fix it as all of its backers are heavily tied into negative gearing from anything from real estate investments to playing the share markets. Labor came up with a sensible suggestion and I hope that this comes to pass otherwise we all continue to subsidise the rich.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:03pm
    Not enough money in it for me to even give it a second thought.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:04pm
    Yes, but PLEASE spare us the details, Bonny.... I doubt the average peon could understand them..... we need slogans, bread, and circuses....
    Circum
    9th May 2016
    9:25pm
    Any one got a fly swatter?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:29pm
    Love it TREBOR and no Circum....use Mortein instead.
    Bob
    9th May 2016
    1:26pm
    As a Liberal supporter of 50 years standing, I cannot and will not vote for a government led by Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison. Treachery against one's own leader must not be rewarded. Nor is it acceptable to break promises, obfuscate on policy costings, take retrospective action which seriously damages people's long-standing plans for their retirement, and try to pull the wool over SA voters' eyes with shonky announcements on defence "decisions". Unprincipled and dishonest - even by the standards of the last Labor government.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    2:05pm
    "Treachery against one's own leader must not be rewarded."

    So that leaves out Mr Shorten too considering he did it twice!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:04pm
    I am not too concerned about seeing a bastard like Abbott go Bob but it's the lies, policies and who is being rewarded in our society that concerns me. Rather obscene sending huge amounts of money to those who already have so much.
    Old Dog
    9th May 2016
    1:30pm
    A quick browse through the comments below is enough to justify to me, that politics (and perhaps religion) are the factors that generate war. I am a bit of a mug at this but consider; if one group of these people were to commit to abolishing the hand-outs and super generous pension payments that politicians presently get (please sir, it wasn't me, it was the remunerations tribunal), perhaps they might be worthy of our vote.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    2:32pm
    As I explained to Getup with their petition on this one. These pension payments are part of the conditions under which they take on the job as a politician. So would you continue in your job if they took away your sick leave, annual leave, public holidays etc?

    I know that with the current rates of pay etc I personally would not accept the job as a politician so take these entitlements away and what sort of politician would you attract?

    I can't see either party abolishing these pension payments.

    Bear in mind that politician entering parliament now has to reach the a retirement age before their pension starts.
    Sundays
    9th May 2016
    4:19pm
    Yes Bonny, but the politicians are trying to reduce pay and conditions in the public service, not to mention the decimation of Centrelink and Medicare, they cut the tax office to the Bone but now want to increase funding after the expertise has walked out the door. Look what they have done to CSIRO, but the say they are all for science and innovation. I have no problem with reviewing their pension arrangements just as this government has no problem changing the super rules for the rest of us
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    4:57pm
    Everyone is taking a cut in pay Bonny and so the politicians need to as well. If they don't like it then go and do something else. Someone will fill the spot.

    Workers have had entitlements and like retirees that have had entitlements removed will just have to make do.

    Lifestyles will need to change for everyone as the deflation continues and the debt repayments drag on.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:09pm
    Bronny: you and your employer hate the GetUp organisation for no other reason other than it galvanises disaffected Australians against governments like one. It seems acceptable to run one sided propaganda campaigns in the media against one side of politics but no acceptable for the empire to strike back. Democracy? Oh yes....your deposed dictator in the making wanted to silence dissent by flogging off the ABC. Forgot about that.

    Old Dog: in the end it's all about fairness. That's what right wing governments choose to never acknowledge let alone pursue.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:12pm
    Agree MIck getup has some very silly ideas at times.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:02pm
    Only in your mind Bronny......the deliberations of brainwashed right wing puppets.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:21pm
    Nothing a delete button cannot fix Mick.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    9:28pm
    Odd how it's acceptable to cut soldiers' pay but not politicians' benefits. Oh, the poor pollies are underpaid? And the people who risk their lives to defend these self-serving politicians' way of life are not? I know whose pay I'd be arguing to protect first and foremost!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:30pm
    Does not work with you Bronny.
    Incognito
    10th May 2016
    12:39am
    Why should a non-serving politician be given a $250,000 yearly pension (for the rest of their lives) on top of the thousands they have already been paid,saved an invested, etc. when an average pensioner who also 'served' this country lives below the poverty line.
    Just because they have been a politician they should not be entitled to any more than any one else. This will save billions, as well as cutting subsidies to big business and collecting the tax that has not been paid from big business.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    8:20am
    MICK its not just Abbott, the ALA also want to get rid of the dead wood in the ABC and SBS.
    Waleed Aly became the first political journo to get a gold logie. His acceptance speech was a shot at "Australia's racism." He spoke about a fellow who refused to give his name because he wouldn't get a job like Aly's. His name was Mustafa.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:53am
    You crack me up Frank. The ABC and SBS were earmarked for sale into commercial hands where they could be controlled like the 7 and 9 networks are. Manipulated to promote right wing political candidates. This was the game plan but it failed. So plan B was to get rid of the ABC CEO Scott and put in a right wing stoolie, which is being done. Then there will be an attempt to control content from the top.
    Talk all the BS you like Frank but Australians understand the game plan of the ruling class.
    Old Dog
    9th May 2016
    1:34pm
    Looks like I made a small mistake: should have read "comments above" and I should have mentioned retrospectivity, yes, make any legislation re. benefits etc, retrospective for say, 5 years.
    particolor
    9th May 2016
    2:39pm
    Comments below will do :-) "Remuneration Tribunal" :-) :-) :-)
    They would lose their Job if they didn't Give them a Fat Rise !! :-)
    jamesmn
    9th May 2016
    2:26pm
    this campaign is far too long and should not be allowed to go on for this length of tome turnball is as shifty and untrustworthy as abbot was look at him and his treasurer sidestepping the question on what the cost was going to be on Friday and then the shifty buggar awards and signs a deal last week to a French firm to build 2 boats when it could have been done in Australia while Australia has that many boat builders out of work we all know where the liberals will be getting their funding from for the election all of the liberals rich cronie mates that don't want anything to do with a royal commission into the banks while they have been ripping off ordinary Australians for years while turnball is living in his $50 million mansion he would not know what anything cost.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:24pm
    Let's see if the media performs in the predictable manner.
    vinnies
    9th May 2016
    2:28pm
    As to the people in this house we are all of the opinion Mr. Turnbull is a prime minister of very little or no credibility. Just talk doesn't work, promises don't work. He needs to have a reality check and do something just do something.
    Robin7
    9th May 2016
    2:32pm
    I will vote for the man WHO reverses the cuts to GP payments, reverses the cuts to pathology, reverses the cuts to hospitals and then legislates that medicare is sacred.

    And the money to pay for it all? - How About the Big End of town pay taxes on the dollars earnt in Australia and stop the Big Boys&Girls claiming they make no money here. Qantas, Apple, Ikea,Virgin Air, News Australia, Ford, Hewlett Packard, Hope Downs, BHP, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Foxtel, Ten Network, Nine Entertainment network, RACV!!! , AVJennings, Toy R Us (Australia), David Jones!! - the list goes on and on and on....
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    3:02pm
    Best thing would be to make health more efficient and have a health system that keeps people healthy not try to fix them up after they become ill.

    As we now live in a global economy companies will pay tax where it cost them the least. If we keep our high company tax rate then they will pay their taxes else where. A lower company tax would be better for Australia.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:07pm
    That's why I have been saying for ages now that the only part of the 'global economy' that has not kept pace is the tax system, and why I advocate a kind of departure tax for capital. You earn profit here, you pay XX% in tax, and recoup it as a deduction in your tax haven - if you can.

    If every country adopted that approach, the global tax dodge would vanish overnight.
    Robin7
    9th May 2016
    5:11pm
    Delaying vital pathology tests absolutely insures problems will not be found until it is too late.

    The cuts to pathology and GP payments guarantee that the poorest sectors of our population are going to delay those tests, then they wind up in public hospitals, costing a fortune for a problem that could have been sorted out with a simple op or a tablet.

    Guaranteed that Someone you know died from a problem that could have been readily fixed IFF detected early.
    (My Gran, My Mum, My Godfather, all died from curable issues that were not detected in time)


    Company Tax Rates - our politicians could not afford to pay their own inflated pay packets if they dropped our tax rate to lure the 600 plus Big Boys that are using tax havens to pay their taxes in Oz - Virgin Islands tax rate is 1% - we cannot match that here.
    And we'd have to better it to get them to move here.
    Cannot be done, simple as that.

    The only solution for Australia is A dollar earnt in Australia should pay it's tax in Australia.
    Modelling in the Howard Era showed that if everyone paid the correct tax and did not shift profits to tax havens then Australia could make the budget on a nation-wide single tax of 2%.
    One Single Tax. No excise', No GST, No User pays, One Single Tax with the same rate for everyone and everything.
    I have never been privy to the modelling, just to news articles about it, But I do think Australia could easily do 5% - problem is that still wont get the Big Boys&Girls to come back from the Virgin Islands.

    So a simple solution is - every dollar earnt in Australia must pay tax in Australia. You are making that money in Australia, making use of Australian Laws, Police and Defence forces to protect you while you make it. You are driving on Australian Roads, using Australian Electricity Networks, Phone systems, Airports, Ports, Trains, Water, Sanitation...(another endless list)

    You make the dollar here, you pay its tax here.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:19pm
    "You are making that money in Australia, making use of Australian Laws, Police and Defence forces to protect you while you make it. You are driving on Australian Roads, using Australian Electricity Networks, Phone systems, Airports, Ports, Trains, Water, Sanitation...(another endless list)

    You make the dollar here, you pay its tax here."

    PRECISELY!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:27pm
    Spot on Robin.
    Capn Dan
    9th May 2016
    2:37pm
    Liberal Democrats have good policies --- http://ldp.org.au/
    jamesmn
    9th May 2016
    2:48pm
    robin 7 I'm with you 100% you hit the nail right on the head we do not need a prime minister who refuses to live in the house allocated to the elected prime minister instead live in his $50 million dollar mansion and is as shifty as anything and is out of touch with everyday normal people while his rich mates are ripping off the tax and banking sector and getting away with it the liberals are all past their use by date including Barnaby Joyce with his rorted helicopter charter flight who should be charged and sacked and made to return the money it cost taxpayers the bloke is a complete clown.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    3:04pm
    What guarantee do you have that any prime minister will live in the house allocated to them?
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:17pm
    Ben Chifley refused to move into The Lodge when he was Prime Minister. He lived in the Hotel Kurrajong in Canberra.
    KSS
    9th May 2016
    9:24pm
    Oh for goodness sake jamesmn you object to Mr Turnbull NOT living at
    Kirribilli House when he is in Sydney instead choosing to live in his own home. Which by the way has equal or better security than Kirribilli House. How petty can you get. I remember when Mr Howard did elect to live at Kirribilli House instead of in his own house because of security concerns , there was an outcry over the waste of public money housing him and his family. Seems a Sydney based Prime Minister just can't win can they?

    9th May 2016
    3:26pm
    This forum will become a mine of misinformation for all political parties surpassed only by paid political advertisements. I choose not to get involved for the reason that one should never discuss politics or religion. All parties debating either subject will be well versed in that subject and at the end, neither party will change their opinion.

    Advertising is aimed at the 20%± of voters who show no allegiance to any party as these are the voters who will eventually decide the July 2 election. If you are in a safe seat you will get no handouts but those in a swinging seat should just hang on and enjoy the ride. It has ever been thus.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:17pm
    "Looking for a NEW way? Vote The Trebor Party - We ARE The People! Whatever you want, we offer it as an election promise™ (dependent on circumstances upon election). Get on Board for a REAL Change on July 2nd!"

    Howzat?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:29pm
    This forum is a discussion mixing pot. Sure we do not all agree all of the time and sure we have trolls posting as well but the forum is far from "misinformation". I dare say there are government observers who are spewing because they have not figured out how to control this media outlet yet.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:41pm
    Are you serious MICK? No misinformation? You're as busy as a one-legged man in an arse kicking competition going from post to post correcting what people are saying. If it's not misinformation then why are you correcting them?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:04pm
    Your call. There is sometimes a wide gap between opinion and fact. And no I do not always get it right. Having too much time can be a legacy. Cheers.
    MD
    10th May 2016
    8:56am
    Old Man, admire your wisdom, and Mick: your candour, both traits a good few of us appear to lack.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    10:10am
    That's right. MICK doesn't always get it right, but he cant remember that time when he got it wrong.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    12:46pm
    I am honest enough to own up if the facts are put. You are not Frank. There is a difference mate!
    bletch
    9th May 2016
    3:44pm
    I am amazed Bonny is there anything that you are not an expert on?
    When did you qualify for your Doctor's degree as well ??????
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:16pm
    Not much as I have studied many things in my life. Unfortunately most have been out of necessity.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:31pm
    Yeah Bronny....Liberal Party fact sheets. Most of your 'views' are straight out of party propaganda rags. Let's have some more "jobs and growth" or "repair the budget" shall we.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    7:02pm
    That's odd as I didn't even know they had fact sheets let alone read them.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:33pm
    Yeah Bronny. Maybe they can't read.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:49am
    Bletch, look up the definition of narcissist. You'll find Bonny qualifies perfectly. One of their characteristics is they think they know everything about everything. They are also selfish and self-serving in the extreme and love to see others hurt. Being narcissistic is a requirement to qualify as a politician in either of the major parties - especially LNP. The majority of supporters of the current LNP also have a narcissistic streak.

    Narcissism is increasing, and it's threatening the end of any hope for a healthy society. It is reassuring that we are only seeing a few narcissists here, but Bonny is a very, very, very bad case.
    Sundays
    9th May 2016
    4:05pm
    Increase funding for health and education but abolish the very expensive chaplain program in schools. Increase funding of Medicare to GPs. Increase the age pension for single pensioners. Wind back the proposed asset threshold. No retrospectivity on changes to super. No need to cut company taxes as not proven that it generates jobs. Look at tightening rules around negative gearing. Fund much needed infrastructure projects thereby increasing employment. Review foreign ownership rules. Ensure multinationals pay the correct tax. Reduce emissions. Better way to deal with asylum seekers than offshore processing which is expensive and Inhumane. For starters
    Rae
    9th May 2016
    5:13pm
    Where is the money for this coming from Sundays?
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    5:33pm
    We used to have an all but free chaplain program but idiots who have were of the opinion that Christian values were of no use put an end to that. The truth is that some of the religious education classes taught kids some moral values and at the very least to look at society in a fairer manner. Can't have any of that though..............
    Sundays
    9th May 2016
    7:33pm
    Rae there is a mixture of savings and spending in my views. However, if multi nationals paid the correct tax, and we exported more than we import that would really help our economy
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:50pm
    GetUp have documented tens of billions in savings, with very sensible and fair proposals. All the new government needs to do is take up their proposals. Their budget put the nation back in the black, WITHOUT the cruel and unfair cuts to pensions, health and education. It IS possible, but you have to stop governing for the elite and start budgeting for the good of the nation.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:36pm
    We all know that THIS GOVERNMENT does not want to tax the rich or multinationals. The fact that they now say there is legislation being written is more likely a case of elect us and we'll change our minds when we are back in office.
    Make a mistake once: pardon me. Make the same mistake twice: pity me. Make the same mistake three times: certify me.
    Lci
    9th May 2016
    4:27pm
    I wonder if the pollies will use their own money for election instead of wasting taxpayers money for their lies
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:32pm
    Pull the other one.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    4:32pm
    Lci, from the moment an election is called, no taxpayers money is used for campaigning. All costs of travel, accommodation, hire of halls and advertising is borne by the respective parties.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:42pm
    If they get a certain percentage of the vote don't they get paid so much money? I can't remember the figures but from memory a certain politician was jailed over this.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:12pm
    Bonny, the current amount paid for an eligible vote is 262.259cents. This figure will change on 1 July in accordance with the CPI.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:29pm
    Thanks I can no longer remember numbers.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    8:59pm
    It is rare for any politician to use their own money in political campaign. Almost exclusively from donors, specifically big business. This is how politicians of all kind end up puppets. It ain't free....and the practice needs to be outlawed so that government by corporations ceases.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    11:51pm
    Whilst I agree MICK, what will happen (and already happens with unions) is that organisations don't donate to political parties but run their own ad campaigns. There is no difference really except with the political parties controlling ads, they can stay on script with their policies.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:55am
    You are cracking me up Old Man.
    Turn on the 7 or 9 media or read the Murdoch rags during an election campaign. So blatant that it should be illegal. But then what regulator ever does its job in this country?

    9th May 2016
    4:42pm
    I notice that too much effort is wasted on arguments here, rather than unifying people against the ridiculous Governments of both major parties that have only stuffed the people of Australia. All should vote to remove all existing LNP, Labor or Greens MPs, and vote for any other suitable candidates. Or else, suggest the following 5-point agenda as the basis for getting people’s votes:

    1. Revert Age Pension assets tests proposed from 1st Jan 2017 to the current rules.
    2. All Members of Parliament (current and past) to have all special Pension entitlements scrapped, and replaced with the same Age Pensions as for all other Australians, both in terms of when it is available and how it is calculated.
    3. Impose a minimum 15% Company Tax on Gross Revenue on all companies, i.e. pay maximum of this or whatever they pay as per current rules.
    4. Treat all Trust income as Personal income of trustees, and impose the Personal Tax rates after combining income with individual trustee’s income.
    5. Disallow all overseas company interest on borrowings, or labour costs incurred overseas, as expenses for the purpose of claiming cost deductions - this will also promote local jobs.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:46pm
    You have just mixed up common law with admiralty law here which is very difficult to administer for a start let alone get a court judgement on.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:23pm
    They're a rum lot, bvggar 'em, and give 'em the lash!
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:47pm
    Five very sensible proposals, George. Maybe you should run for Treasurer. You would do far better than the idiot we have now, and much, much better than his self-serving smokin' predecessor.
    Not Senile Yet!
    9th May 2016
    4:46pm
    First Party to declare the Reversal of Ged Pension Cuts will win.
    But GodHelp them if they Renegg on their Promise!
    ME....Can't trust any of the Parties...ALL Corrupt!
    Will vote Independant...& put Lab & Lib LAST!
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:01pm
    I can't see that happening at all.
    Anonymous
    14th May 2016
    8:14pm
    Sadly, I agree, Bronny. I can't see the LNP or the idiot Greens every doing anything fair, logical, or beneficial for the nation. Labor just might, but I won't hold my breath for them to get it right either. I live in hope, because this country is STUFFED if it doesn't happen. No savings for retirement and retirees ground into hardship will drive the debt through the roof and destroy any hope that currently exists for this sick society.
    Adrianus
    15th May 2016
    11:42am
    I know Rainey, you've just given me a great idea. Let's put a union thug in as PM? Then all our problems will be sorted?
    Anonymous
    16th May 2016
    7:36am
    Frank, I don't like ANY of the current politicians or parties.

    What I want to see is someone with some common sense logic and the guts and decency to do what's actually good for the nation, and if you think that anyone in the LNP or Greens or Labor fits that description, you are an idiot. But what the LNP is doing is stupid, unfair, and thoroughly economically destructive, and it's driven solely by GREED and SELFISHNESS. But it also reflects complete and utter stupidity.

    Take the housing crisis, for example. Now it might help if retirees downscaled and released some bigger houses for the young, yeah? Well, let's make sure they CAN'T. First, let's hit them with a huge stamp duty penalty for selling and buying smaller. But more importantly, if they downscale from $800,000 to $400,000, let's take up to $31,200 of their pension off them as punishment. What a good idea! They can then be $11,200 or more WORSE OFF each year, and we can tell them ''That's okay, because you can spend that capital to live on.'' Treat them as congenital idiots who can't figure out that living on it creates (a) risk of it running out prematurely; and (b) inability to leave a little to the kids.

    Oh, it's about saving taxpayers? No, it's NOT. Because it creates a huge incentive to stay in the expensive home, extend or renovate, or take expensive cruises so you get some enjoyment out of the money. If you punish people for being responsible and planning and savings for old age, they won't. Simple. And if they don't, the taxpayer will suffer a higher burden. Apparently Moron Morrison can't think that far!

    Now, the logical thing to do would be to accept that people have higher needs when younger, and their money has to last a lot longer, so consider assets against age. Consider health and special needs. No, idiots can't think that far. Moron Morrison can only think about stealing the savings of older Australians, and assuming they are too dumb to change their behaviour in response. (At least one LNP supporter on this site is! Bonny constantly waffles about ''her opinion'', but can't present a single sensible or logical response to factual argument.)

    To rally support for their IDIOTIC policies, the LNP then makes up BLATANT LIES about ''millionaires'' getting pensions, trying to mislead the populace by not telling them that people with as little as $300,000 in assets are being targeted, or that for a 65-year-old couple who might live well into their 90s or beyond, a million isn't much savings to have!

    The LOGICAL thing to do would be to means test and tax income FAIRLY and let people keep their hard-won savings to do with as they planned. But no, that would hurt the privileged. Much better to attack battlers and strip them of the proceeds of their lifetime of hard work and deny them of their hobbies and collections that make life worthwhile in their dotage. Because THAT IS THE LNP WAY, FRANK. And it's SICK.
    Adrianus
    16th May 2016
    7:54am
    Rainey, anyone who believes welfare should be used to reward those who do well is an idiot!
    Not Senile Yet!
    9th May 2016
    4:50pm
    Sorry..Aged Pensions!
    COMPULSORY TAX tied to the issue/renewal of ABN number closes ALL loopholes....No Tax ....No ABN
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    4:59pm
    I would like to see the house added to the pensioner asset test to make it more equitable.
    Aged pension paid back after a person dies together with all HECS debts.

    Also health and education made more efficient not just keeping throwing money at them.
    Private health funded better so that we haven't got such a drain on our public system. Education is funded better so why not health.

    Budget deficits turned into profits so that the debt can be paid ASAP.

    Two party system abolished so that you don't have to vote for either of them.

    Churches pay tax. Charities be more accountable for their funds and activities.

    Young people paid for extended work placements when doing courses.
    Adrianus
    9th May 2016
    5:15pm
    Bonny agree with most of your list.
    You wouldn't have a problem with the two party system if we abolished preference votes. Why not have one vote only?
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    5:27pm
    Good idea Frank the preference system should be optional.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:45pm
    If aged pensioners have to pay their pensions back, then all those who benefited from their discounted labour during their working lives should have to pay them compensation. Then they wouldn't need a pension. They only need it because they were exploited by the wealthy during their working life so the privileged could run profitable businesses selling labour for more than they paid for it. But as usual, the GREEDY SELFISH RICH WANT IT ALL.
    Robin7
    9th May 2016
    9:36pm
    (NOTE:- I am not old enough to draw a pension just yet)

    Bonny wrote. "Aged pension paid back after a person dies together with all HECS debts."

    A Death Tax? Seriously, after my kids bury me they then have to stump up and pay back my aged pension.
    A pension funded by my lifetime of paying taxes.
    A pension that was guaranteed by a fund that some dumb politician rolled back into general revenue and then spent the cash in its entirety?

    My aged pension was funded by my taxes. It's not my fault that a politician spent my aged pension long before I could draw on it, maybe you need to go ask him for the cash back.


    No Death Tax.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    7:12am
    Here's an idea. How about all the politicians, bureaucrats, advisers, and lobby groups have all their ''thought bubbles'' assessed to see which ones were bad for the nation, and be charged compensation for every stuff up. Ordinary people lose when they stuff up. Let's make the privileged whose stuff-ups bugger our lives pay fairly. The resulting fund would cover the cost of aged pensions for a very, very, very long time!

    And while we are at it, let's make every well-to-do person whose stuff-ups have caused someone hurt pay compensation to the victim. And the government pay victims of ATO and Centrelink errors and errors by all other government bodies. I'd be a mega-millionaire overnight!

    Oh, and we should assess the REAL value of electricity and communication services and port facilities and postage services etc. and bill everyone who ran a business for the REAL cost of those services so we can pay those who provide them fairly. And assess the REAL value of the labour and intelligence contribution every employee made to their employer and make the employer pay the difference between what was paid and the value given.

    I suspect if we could do this, there wouldn't be any pensioners. They'd all be rolling in money. All those who grew up abused in institutions would be very rich. At least half those who ever did military service as anything other than a high-ranking officer would be rich.

    Much better idea than death taxes on the lifters who end up on old age pensions and have very little left when they die anyway. And very much fairer, since most of the battlers in society would be far, far better off if IDIOTS with fatter bank accounts and more power didn't repeatedly screw up and bugger other people lives.

    It's a SICK SICK person who takes so much from society that they can boast about living on a country estate and buying houses for their kids and then wants to take the meagre savings of someone who slogged their guts out for most of their life to build the society that allows these selfish privileged to prosper.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    10:24am
    I don't think its healthy to be so envious of those who appear better off.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    12:45pm
    Nor is it healthy when you are rolling in money whilst subjecting average Australians to poverty because you own a political party and are able to manipulate the system.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    1:31pm
    I agree Frank.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    2:00pm
    MICK, why don't you busy yourself and download the Panama Papers. Then you can tell us all about it? I was going to have a look but decided the file was too big. I have too much work today.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:32pm
    Not an envious bone in my body, Frank. Just disgusted that such vile people exist who actually WANT others to suffer unfairly so that they and their privileged brats can have more.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:52pm
    A lazy Liberal Frank. Well I am not going to reinvent the wheel for what party HQ have already told you. You are fully aware of the well known Australians on this list.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    6:34am
    Disturbing, isn't it, how the SICK ELITE confuse envy with disgust and contempt for the vile self-serving creatures who plunder, steal, cheat, defraud, exploit and abuse others to attain their wealth and the obnoxious animals who wish ill on those born less privileged?

    There is nothing in this world more vile than a well-to-do narcissist, and we seem to have a lot of them in politics and supporting the LNP these days.

    Frank, in case you missed noticing, the people Bronny condemns are the people who built this nation, who sacrificed everything to save our freedom and way of life - to protect the capitalist system that enables the likes of you and her to prosper. These are the people this vile person wants trampled on and crushed. She has used them, and now she wants them discarded like worthless trash. She wants their homes stolen from them and to see them forced into poverty in their old age and everything they have left of what they earned taken from them on their death so their grandchildren suffer the same disadvantage and have no chance to improve their lot in life. And not for any benefit to anyone, because she supports policies that drive taxes and national debt UP. It's just for her perverse satisfaction, so she beat her chest and can pretend superiority. And so the rich have more to stash in tax havens and their bank statements look prettier.

    It's not ENVY to feel disgust for that sort of person. The last thing the decent, hard-working, honest folk here would want is to be a vile, contemptuous creature who has no capacity for respect, empathy, or basic human decency. Much better to have a lot less money and a lot more humanity.
    Scrivener
    9th May 2016
    5:11pm
    If the word 'PROMISE" meant a damn thing to any politician - I would probably vote for ever 'promises' to stop treating me like an alien just because I'm over 70. All of these politicians are on top of a heap of dead bodies they created. Liars, cheats, self-interested sociopaths - I felt in a kind mood today when I wrote this.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    5:24pm
    I like the phrase "the unmarked grave of dead lies".....
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:17pm
    Sometimes Komrade/Herr Gauleiter - it is necessary to break a few eggs to make an omelette..... the common people will understand this is all done in their best interests, and those die along the way are in fact Heroes Of The Revolution and Martyrs To The Nation

    Honour their deaths....

    (yardle, yardle, yardle)... and we continue to elect this kind of thinker!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:08pm
    You forgot backstabbers. So who is worse: pollies or bankers?
    socrates
    9th May 2016
    6:16pm
    How does this budget stop the growth of the deficit.

    How can you ask for innovation and technology while cutting jobs in the CSIRO.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:10pm
    Now that is a good question. One of the chestnuts from the government in election mode is that Labor is high taxing. I did not see the bottom line improve under the current government. In fact their deficits were worse than both Rudd or Gillard. How is it so???
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    7:21am
    Ah but the taxes of the rich are falling under this government, Mick. The reality is that Labor is higher taxing of the well-to-do, and the LNP can't have that, can they, because their supporters are well-to-do.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    7:37am
    I don't think there were job cuts in the CSIRO or the ATO. Both organisations needed improved skill sets and knowledge base in order to tackle current issues. The CSIRO had a few hundred working to discover climate change. Somebody needed to tell them that it had been discovered. The ATO had a skills shortage when it came to tackling tax evasion by multinationals.
    soc, if you get growth you increase government revenue.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    12:42pm
    Did you lift that straight out of the daily newsletter from Liberal PArty HQ Frank.
    What an utter lot of crap. You do not produce high tech outcomes by sacking scientists because they are not 'manufacturing' their product. This is the realm of the brain dead. Welcome to the coal addicted government who may produce malicious propaganda but cannot produce anything else...other than deficits.
    Kato
    9th May 2016
    6:34pm
    Is the sex party running again.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:10pm
    If not then I hope they are having funny. Lucky sods.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    10:46am
    MICK, have you tried making yourself more attractive? And get rid of that name, it makes you sound like a star prawn!
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    12:39pm
    One only needs to read some of your right wing crap Frank to work out who the prawn is.
    bebby
    9th May 2016
    6:37pm
    I am confused and would like to know if Bonny reading a book is the same commentator as "Dr Bonny"?
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    6:53pm
    Just Bonny to you the Dr bit is only for official occasions.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:11pm
    I am wondering if that is a toilet she is sitting on and is 'she' really a 'he'.
    Kato
    9th May 2016
    6:46pm
    Malcontent sent me an email informing me Its On. Gee who would have thought that. Then before signing off can I chip in fifty dollars to help? I said how about I raid the grandkids piggy bank. Just like both political parties have.
    Circum
    9th May 2016
    8:19pm
    I figure the $50 only covers the pole dance.Not enough for party pies etc
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:12pm
    Did you pay with a credit card or eftpos?
    Kato
    9th May 2016
    10:06pm
    I'm sending it in five cent coins. Receiver to pay.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    1:18pm
    Labor and the Greens only want $10.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    5:49pm
    Yep. Shows, once again, how out of touch with reality the LNP are. They only talk to people whose incomes are high enough that they can afford a $50 contribution, and they assume everyone fits into that category.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    6:15pm
    Rainey, I read somewhere today that tradies are on $80 per hour. who's out of touch?
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:20pm
    Anyone who thinks either that all tradies earn $80 an hour, or that the majority earn as much as a tradie, Frank.
    Kato
    10th May 2016
    9:52pm
    Bonny is that ten each?
    bebby
    9th May 2016
    7:26pm
    Bonny, thank you for your reply, however, I am still confused.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    8:19pm
    That'll be MR Bonny to you peasants....

    Bloody peasants... always wanting something...
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:13pm
    "Let them eat cake"..........
    beyond caring
    9th May 2016
    8:49pm
    what either party offers over the next 8 weeks will not change my vote .. and that is neither party will ever get my vote again. they don't care about retiree and like most of the people I know, we are sick of the same Bull year after year. what's will occur come Jan 17 with moving the high end concessions down to $800,000 odd will impact on more retiree than (the retirees) realize.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    9:03pm
    Beyondcaring, it will also impact on taxpayers more than anyone realizes. You can't reward irresponsible behaviour and punish savers harshly and expect people to save and pension costs to fall.

    With a reward of 7.8%+, indexed to inflation, on offer for blowing a few hundred grand on a cruise, renovating the house or selling and buying bigger and grander, or stashing half a mil or so under the mattress or in the home safe, there will be a lot more poorer pensioners drawing much fatter pensions. Younger Aussies have already figured out that saving is only smart if you lie to Centrelink and stash the savings under the mattress, because the taxpayer is paying 3 times what the banks are offering with none of the risks of the stock market or real estate market.

    What puzzles me is how few people have the intelligence to figure out how economically foolhardy the policy change was!
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:15pm
    You need to play the game. Voting them out is the way forward if you can convince another couple of million Australians to do likewise. I guess any long journey has to start with the first few steps though.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:26pm
    I certainly don't see it as fool hardy but just the first step in the right direction.
    Anonymous
    9th May 2016
    9:32pm
    Then you can't do math and you have no common sense, Bonny. But selfishness does tend to addle the brain, I'm told.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:45pm
    If your maths are right then it only makes sense if it is the first step in the whole process of a lot more to come. That's where common sense comes in.

    Labor has made no noises that it is going to change it so maybe they have further plans for it as well.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:59am
    Being an incredibly selfish, self-serving and narcissistic person whose greatest pleasure in life is seeing others hurt so the well-off can be further over-indulged obscenely, you would certainly be hoping there's more to come, Bonny.

    Fact remains that only a moron would endorse the current policy. If there's more to come, bring on the revolution. The sooner the guns come out, the better. Otherwise the lifters who built this country and gave the likes of you and your spoilt brats of kids the opportunities you enjoy will be begging in the streets, and society as we know it will cease to exist.

    If that's the Australia you want to live in, you are one very, very, very sick puppy. So sick, in fact, any compassionate vet would be putting you down.

    Labor never supported the change. Jenny Macklin is working on their policies on pensions. They have yet to be announced. It's not an easy issue to deal with, because the current system is such an unfair and expensive disaster and any change needs to be improve things.

    The LNP and Greens jumped into the deep end with stupid changes supported by stupid lies. Just maybe Labor wants to get it right - though sadly I don't think they have the ability either. I think it's time the whole damn lot of overpaid, self-serving, egotistical IDIOTS in politics were thrown on the trash heap where they belong and we got some people in there with brains and integrity.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    9:00am
    The Xenophon Party might be a good starting point. Whilst we have yet to see Nick is a smooth operator who appears not be involved in the dishonest politics which we see all the time.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    1:22pm
    Rainey you need to put your energy into doing something positive not wasting your life away with all that negativity.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:15pm
    I am putting my energy into doing something positive, Bonny. I'm educating the populace about the appalling incompetence of the government and the disgraceful socially and economically destructive course they are on. Hopefully enough will take note that we'll see some improvement after July 2. I have no faith in either major party, but I trust that there will be enough intelligent Australians to ensure plenty of minors and independents in the House, and a Senate that, like the current one, will actively block bad policies. I also hope that the spread of votes for independents and minors shows just how fed up the populace is with the major parties and their dishonest, corrupt, destructive, self-serving politics.

    9th May 2016
    8:59pm
    ELECTION ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE LNP TODAY:

    The LNP today announced that it is changing its logo to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the party's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks and gives you a false sense of security while you're actually being screwed.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:09pm
    That belongs in the joke section of this site.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:16pm
    Priceless. The real irony is that the reality of the post is unavoidable.
    Dare I say keep it up Rainey!
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:44am
    I wish it was a joke, Bonny. It's deadly serious I'm afraid.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    1:15pm
    You need to get a life then Rainey if you are deadly serious with that joke.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    6:19pm
    Oh don't worry about me, Bonny. I have a great life! I just wish that announcement was funny rather than tragically truthful.
    In Outer Orbit
    9th May 2016
    9:24pm
    Isn't this just same old same old. Australia is a commodity price taker. Isn't all that is really going to make a difference for all Australians what Chinese politicians decide to do with their massive economy, and hence to global coal and iron ore prices? I doubt there is a pollie in Canberra who could make a blind bit of difference to the big picture; all any of them can do is tighten their belts, cover their backs and wait for the up cycle, with a lot of grandstanding thrown in to pretend they're in control. Be a good idea if we could try not to overheat the planet too far while we're waiting, or the Greens will have both a pyric and pyrrhic victory. My vote is to keep planting the veggies everyone and expect nothing much under the sun to change any time soon.
    MICK
    9th May 2016
    9:39pm
    Just a lot of hot air and BS on BS for the most part. Australia was sold out long ago and now we can only pull ourselves out of the poo over a period of time. From what I see from both sides that ain't happening.
    LiveItUp
    9th May 2016
    9:48pm
    Sad but true In Outer Orbit that we are just a quarry and commodity price taker for the rest of the world.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:54pm
    That is because Australian 'business' is inept and cannot match it with real business nations. The fact that the business owned government we are currently stuck with is just talk tells a compelling tale. Never any different.
    FM
    9th May 2016
    10:53pm
    Just a note on how the recent Budgets got balanced by taking from seniors and giving to business. Last year retirement rules were altered for retired people with modest lump sums or pensions and taper rates and thresholds changed so that many retirees lost thousands of dollars p.a. There was no proposal to grandfather these changes though Labor proposes to grandfather changes for people with substantial balances in super this year. These cuts allowed tax reductions for business both by reducing the rate they pay and by allowing purchases up to $20,000 to be instantly written off by “Tony’s Tradies” who actually include all professional people who operate as a business such as journalists, lawyers, barristers, doctors, specialists etc.
    Saul Estlake reported that very few small businesses pay tax. After checking with the ATO he found that 67% were non profitable and non taxable. After the remainder had written off their deductions on items up to $20,000 last year they would also have no tax to pay or their tax would be significantly reduced. The LNP were screaming ‘debt and deficit’ when cutting retirees incomes but had money to burn when providing tax cuts for business. The cuts to retirees incomes also made this year’s additional tax cuts for business possible. It is no wonder budgets have gone like this when the Australian Business Council’s Tony Shepherd was employed to advised on them and help draft them.
    FM
    10th May 2016
    12:27am
    Correction "It is no wonder budgets have gone like this when the Australian Business Council’s Tony Shepherd was employed to advise on them and help draft them."
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:27am
    Shepherd is a rusted on party stoolie liberal from way back. This is what the Liberal Party does. Put their people into key organisations to get the result(s) it wants.
    This is class warfare raging with attacks on those least able to fight.
    I can see no other way forward other than voting for an Independent who preferences Labor or just voting Labor. Australians need to throw out this rich man's government before we all end up slaves.
    mareela
    10th May 2016
    12:12am
    Wally not hard to work out which side of politics you're on and as usual unable to face facts. Little Johnny Howard started this spending off by wasting the mining boom money to buy votes to stay in power. The 20 billion surplus he and Costello left was due simply to selling as many assets as they could including the gold reserves at rock bottom prices. This current government has tripled Labor's deficit, increased the debt ceiling and seen out the car industry, boat building, steel industry and all to accommodate FTA's which will help Australia very little but see unemployment increase. However they did stop the boats!
    Labor government's it has been proved manage the economy sooooo much better than conservative governments. I know who I would like to govern Australia and get us out of trouble and it isn't the conservatives.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:39am
    You often hear the lie that Labor cannot manage the economy. Always from the conservative side of politics. What you never hear is that Labor actually commits to projects which benefit the nation going forward and that does cost. If we only had conservative governments then we would have little other than an American style society where 0.1% of the population owned 90% of everything. That is the game plan and that is why the ONLY item on the agenda is TAX CUTS FOR THE WELL OFF. Never changes.
    Those who dwell on the Howard government never of course mention that this government ruled at the top of the mining boom, handed money for ridiculous vote buyers like Baby Bonuses and fiddled with the taxation system so that the top end, which is always complaining that it pays too much tax, paid less. Having achieved that the top end today is running the same game and the only tax rate which will ever be acceptable to it is NIL.
    Anybody who votes for a conservative candidate is condemning the vast number of Australians to a future of poverty and is to be pitied for being so easily manipulated by the rich.
    FM
    10th May 2016
    12:39am
    I hope you get all you wish for Bonny. I am sure you will not mind giving your home to the Government.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:41am
    I think that what Bronny says and what Bronny does may vary vastly. The posts have a fake feeling to them and I suggest Bronny is probably working the site for a third party. But then I think Frank is in the same game after a few years reading comments from these 'people'.....not.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    1:12pm
    FM the government is going to be out of luck because I don't own a home.
    Anonymous
    10th May 2016
    5:58pm
    Yes you do. It's just in the name of the family trust, like all the other assets you acquired by dodging tax.
    LiveItUp
    10th May 2016
    9:36pm
    Wrong again as there is no family trust or tax dodging going on either.
    MICK
    11th May 2016
    8:13am
    Funny Bronny. As if.
    Alex
    10th May 2016
    12:40am
    I agree FM. There is KARMA.
    jeffr
    10th May 2016
    3:17am
    First quote is a politicians.
    “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

    Second quote is for Bonny and Frank

    " Öh what a tangled web we weave.When first we practice to deceive'"

    Meanwhile I will take a break from this site for at least 8 weeks :-)
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:42am
    Have a good holiday. You know that you can post from overseas too.
    bletch
    10th May 2016
    9:21am
    Maybe they should rename this column the Dr Bonny Column as I do not think I have ever read a more self-opinionated expert on this site.

    I have never read so much verbal diarrahea from one person and can't be bothered reading any more.
    4b2
    10th May 2016
    9:56am
    Politician's of all parties spin their own stories; we have stoped the boats! No you have turned them back and stopped reporting on them. Two have breached your so called boarders, one sailed into Perth another on Cocos Island. So much for you secure boarders!
    A higher taxing government under Labour? You are raising the Medicare charge by stealth a new tax maybe?
    Both parties have the same policy on unlimited detention of refugees, this must stop.
    Process them if they cant pass the test send them home. If they pass give them five years asylum.
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    2:14pm
    4b2, we did stop the boats by changing the government and I notice that both Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd have taken credit for it at different times.
    The Asylum Seeker issue is just one of the problems we would face if we vote in a Labor/Unions/Greens/Independent government again. We've seen what they are capable of.
    I don't believe Labor is capable of keeping Sarah Hansen Young from flying around the world talking about the sugar being back on the table.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    8:56pm
    Slip of the pen there Frank. "We"? Yes! As I have said before you are an ex LNP MP. Scumbag!
    Adrianus
    10th May 2016
    9:02pm
    MICK why don't you ask yourself
    what it is you can do to stop the
    PEOPLE SMUGGLERS
    from reviving their business model in Australia.
    Do something for Australia MICK.
    MICK
    10th May 2016
    9:42pm
    Good try Frank. YOUR COVER IS GONE!

    For the record I do a lot more for Australia than you or your LNP colleagues who treat the nation like an ATM for the rich and whilst squandering the nation's money on things like political which hunts rather than projects which benefit us all.
    You are not any sort of real Australian. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing.
    MD
    10th May 2016
    1:07pm
    saltb@theaustralian.com.au faux compassion.

    Above is a link to an eponymous article from the weekend. What anyone makes of it is a matter for their own interpretation. With few exceptions from above posts and although I doubt this will contribute anything by way of enlightenment consider; "The Pharisee stood and was praying thus: God I thank you that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers or even like this tax collector." A quote from somewhere in the Biblical book - Matthew ? If my memory serves me well ?

    Although I am not a 'Bible basher', I beg your forgiveness if I come across a little too sanctimonious.
    Adrianus
    11th May 2016
    8:57am
    This was written by an old friend of Malcolm Fraser's.

    "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end.

    Communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism by vote.
    It is merely the difference between Murder and Suicide."
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    6:22am
    And you can't get any more Socialist than the LNP.

    They take from those who struggle to achieve a higher standard of living, bashing them down cruelly and without compassion, to give more to the rich. They punish people who spent a lifetime saving to try to make their old age more comfortable, destroying all opportunity to benefit from their savings, while being obscenely generous to the privileged whose health prevails and whose superior educational opportunities and social resources allow them to keep earning in later life. They bash people who struggle with health challenges and disabilities and whose early opportunities deprive them of the ability to earn healthy incomes, and they tax the masses higher to hand more to the rich and privileged.

    THAT, Frank, is SOCIALISM AT ITS FINEST.

    Welcome to the enslavement by Suicide folks.
    In Outer Orbit
    11th May 2016
    5:44pm
    Just an observation amidst all this wailing and gnashing of teeth; happiness doesn't come from getting what you want, it comes from wanting what you get.

    It can help to reflect on the rest of the countries in the world, as a comparison with Australia's many blessings.

    Nowhere is perfect. Where else would anyone rather be?
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    6:50am
    Agree completely, Outer Orbit. The point is that it could be a lot better here. We are sinking to the level of those countries we currently compare favourably with, and intelligent Australians are fighting to prevent the degradation of a great country to one in which our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will wallow in the kind of poverty that shocks us when we see it elsewhere.

    Nowhere is perfect. I'd rather be here. But I don't want HERE to degrade to THERE. And that's what will happen if we allow neoliberal philosophy to continue to dominate in the political arena.
    LiveItUp
    13th May 2016
    2:08pm
    The only degradation of this country I can see is that we now have a big debt due the excess of yesterday and this needs to paid back with interest. Anyone who has been in debt knows to do this requires sacrifices and that is obviously what some people are fighting against. Unfortunately the more you fight the harder it gets so no matter who governs our country sacrifices will need to be made by everyone not just the wealthy. That is how we will have a better country going forward.
    Anonymous
    14th May 2016
    8:00pm
    We have a big debt because moronic politicians keep mismanaging, Bonny, and the budget was another example of gross mismanagement that is going to increase the debt that the inept LNP have tripled already.

    When they stop trying to bleed stones and ask the rich to make some sacrifices, and use some common sense logic and fairness, the debt will disappear rapidly. GetUp demonstrated that it could be eliminated with relative ease. But greed and selfishness prevails over desire to remedy the problem. We will NEVER have a better country while greed and selfishness prevail.

    If EVERYONE made sacrifices, there would be no problem. The WEALTHY DON'T. And we only have to fight because the greedy and selfish continue to lie, cheat and plunder and then get on here and try to blame the lifters of this nation and cheat them out of everything they worked to earn over decades - all in the name of GREED.

    13th May 2016
    6:16am
    WHY ONLY THE WEALTHY ELITE WILL SUPPORT THE LNP IN THIS ELECTION:

    ''The analysis by Australian National University associate professor Ben Phillips found the main changes in the budget left Australian households $345 a year worse off, on average.

    ''The modelling found households in the lowest 20% of income earners were $446 a year worse off, a loss of 1.5% of their disposable income, compared with the top 20% of households who were $434 a year worse off, just 0.2% of their income.

    ''The hardest hit by changes were single parents in the lowest 20% of income earners, who lost $1,407, or 3.6% of their income. Couples with children in the lowest bracket lost $1,146 or 2.7% of their income.

    ''Despite the regressive impact, the report said “this budget has a lower impact on low-income families than the previous two budgets”.

    “Analysis of the 2015 budget shows that budget to have an impact more than twice that of this budget for the lowest income families and a roughly similar impact [very little] for high- and middle-income families for 2018-19.”


    Extracted from:
    http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/personalfinance/australian-budget-2016-hits-poor-families-hardest-modelling-shows/ar-BBsYcmN?ocid=spartandhp
    Adrianus
    13th May 2016
    7:59am
    Rainey, the LNP have ruled out any deals with the Greens. I thought Turnbull made that clear from day one with his cutting open of the watermelons.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    11:58am
    You've lost me, Frank, sorry! What do the Greens have to do with this post? Maybe you are replying to something else?
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    12:13pm
    Or are you just trying to distract readers from noting the unpalatable facts about this cruel and destructive budget?
    Adrianus
    13th May 2016
    12:19pm
    Sorry Rainey, I should have read the whole post before posting. I only read your Uppercase Heading. Do you think it's a good idea to live within our means? If not where should we get the money to cover the cost of all these benefits?
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    1:52pm
    Great idea to live within our means, Frank. Let's stop the obscene payments to the filthy rich, the over-the-top concessions to high income earners, the disgraceful benefits to overpaid inept politicians. Let's reduce immigration. Let's cut the ridiculous waste on already obsolete war machines. Loads of things we can do to live within our means and still treat the people who BUILD AND MAINTAIN THIS COUNTRY WITH RESPECT.

    Problem is the greedy, self-serving privileged can't think past ''rip off the worker'' because that's how they got rich in the first place. Exploitation and abuse. It's all the right wing understand.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2016
    1:57pm
    BTW Frank, as was correctly pointed out by a businessman on Q&A, cutting company tax CANNOT generate growth and production, because all it does, if the extra profit is not transferred off shore, is balance out the higher tax paid by the company owners.

    The Minister for Small Business couldn't answer the question asked. She didn't even know the difference between an immediate write-off for equipment normally depreciated and a company tax rate cut.

    We are governed by inept morons!
    LiveItUp
    13th May 2016
    2:02pm
    Only impact I saw that the budget had on low income earners was that smokes were to be further taxed. That is a good thing not a bad thing.

    However the budget did target the wealthy in many ways.

    So I really can't see what any low income earner is going on about other than they didn't get a handful of sweets out it.
    Anonymous
    14th May 2016
    7:55pm
    Bronny, we all know you are blind and deaf and therefore incapable of noting the appalling damage the LNP did to low income earners in the budget, or the massive handouts to the wealthy (nearly $17000 to $1 million a year earners.

    Obviously you are as illiterate as you are bigoted - totally incapable of comprehending plain English, let alone doing math or understanding logic.

    FACT: Single income families on $60,000 a year lost over $3000 a year. Families on less than $80,000 with a couple of teenage kids lost $4000 a year. Millionaires got a windfall nearly equivalent to the single age pension. Nothing to do with smoking.
    PlanB
    13th May 2016
    9:19am
    Nick Xenophon is all for cutting penalty rates -- so that rules him out for me


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