2nd Nov 2018
PM says he would prefer to increase the pension over Newstart
PM says he would prefer to increase the pension over Newstart

Prime Minister Scott Morrison last week announced that Age Pension increases will happen before any rise is Newstart payments – if the next Federal Budget could afford it.

The same politician whose party petitioned for raising the pension age to 70 is now on the side of raising the Age Pension – an irony not lost on the Opposition.

“Scott Morrison should take a good look at himself,” said Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen.

“This is a man who has argued for three years that Australians should wait until they're 70 to get the Age Pension – 70 – the oldest pension age in the world.”

Currently, age pensioners receive $834.40 per fortnight, whereas Newstart recipients receive fortnightly payments of $538.80.

The Opposition has indicated that it will look at increasing the Newstart payment rate if it wins the next election. Newstart payments haven’t risen in real terms in 20 years.

Mr Morrison says he’d rather give that money to older Australians.

“I heard the other day they [Labor] were thinking of increasing the Newstart payment," Mr Morrison said on Friday.

“Well I've got to tell you, if I thought I had the money to do that, I reckon I'd be doing it for pensioners first.”

Mr Morrison went on to advocate the Coalition’s focus on getting people off Newstart and into jobs, rather than giving them handouts, saying that “Labor is just for welfare”.

“Labor is about taking people out of work and putting them onto welfare, so why would they be supportive of Work-for-the-Dole?” he said.

“What we've done as a government is got people off welfare and into work.”

While most age pensioners would welcome a bump in payments, many older Australians not yet of pension age are struggling on the low Newstart payment rates – some of whom are living in poverty.

Do you think this ‘bump’ could be split? Could you, or do you, live on $269 per week? Do you think these are more carrots being dangled in front of older voters?

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fearlessfly
5th Nov 2018
10:11am
What a colossal maggot this nitwit is ! Jeez, roll round election day when he and his bunch of noddy clowns will be down at Centrelink with their grubby little hands out for Newstart ! Increase the Newstart you mongrels, there's thousands of people between the ages of 55 and 65 who have to survive on this paltry handout !
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:14am
Don't know what your problem is but I live on less than Newstart myself. You should be thankful that we have welfare payments instead of wanting more. It would not matter how much people got it would never be enough. If you think Labor is going to do better then you are dreaming. Sure you may get a penny or two more but the cost of living will rise many times more and you will be well behind the eighth ball.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
11:19am
Good one, OG - I take it none of your living costs are handled 'elsewhere' by 'other means' and like that dopey banks sheila from Malbadishu you get by on $40 a day for ALL costs?

Pull the other one... it whistles Dixie...
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:29am
Trebor I live a very simple lift with my biggest cost being my internet. Everything else costs very little.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
11:34am
Sorry, OG, but you're not being realistic. If your biggest cost is the internet then you have others paying for some of your expenses. You obviously don't pay rent because that would cost more than the internet and there must be one or two more items that you don't have to pay.
fearlessfly
5th Nov 2018
11:35am
I might have known you'd chime in with your typical rhetoric OG, what is your definition of "living" ?
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:37am
I pay whatever everyone else does to live.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
11:56am
Boasts elsewhere from OG:
Don't pay rent. Don't own a home so no rates of house insurance or body corporate to pay. Firewood sourced free off the property. Has solar so electricity is free. Gets petrol some 27c cheaper than the rest of us and laughs at the price rises because they mean bigger dividends from the oil company shares he owns. Gets food hampers intended for the needy - and keeps them! Gets free trips to the Gold Coast to stay in resorts. Trips about in a luxury caravan. Gets senior discounts on EVERYTHING (without even asking).
In other words, he's now lying through his teeth. He DOES NOT live on less than Newstart. He's rich and privileged and totally lacking in empathy, respect, or even the integrity to be truthful.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:07pm
OGR anyone can do what I do so why don't they?
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:16pm
Liar. You are so full of BS that you can't distinguish fact from fiction. You were born with a silver spoon and given everything, and like Turnbull, you've convinced yourself that you actually did something to deserve it and that others could do the same. You need to have EVERYTHING you own taken away and be made to live on the streets on Newstart until you learn some decency.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:51pm
Gladly OGR ad I would do just fine too.
sunnyOz
5th Nov 2018
2:31pm
OGR - you forgot to mention the extensive overseas holiday OG recently said he had just come back from. I am another person who doesn't believe the absolute crap and bull he blurts out - living on less than the Newstart yet can go on long overseas jaunts? Get so sick of reading the tripe..
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:38pm
Yes I saved for that out off my Newstart budget. It is actually cheaper to live in my caravan than at home.
Mad as hell
5th Nov 2018
4:57pm
OG I’ve got a black cat, I bet yours is blacker.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:28pm
I hate cats.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:10am
Ok I got out my trusty spreadsheet and the two of us spend $22512 last year. That's $216 each a week so well below Newstart.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
10:58am
With no rent, rates, house insurance, home maintenance electricity to pay, free firewood, free food hampers, free trips to the Gold Coast and stays in luxury resorts, no transport costs, free medical, free pharmaceutical... etc. etc. etc.
of course you could get by for a year on $22512. NOBODY ON NEWSTART has all those freebies, OG.
Bugger off back to la la land and lie to the fairies.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:27pm
OGR just been offered a free trip again next year too.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
3:58pm
Just proves my point, OG. Newstart battlers have to pay their own way. They don't get to live in la la land where everything is free. Therefore, THEY DO NEED THEIR BENEFIT INCREASED TO A DECENT RATE.
Lothario
6th Nov 2018
4:02pm
Old Geezer - if you can live on $22k then most pensioners could in theory save a third of their pension in an emergency fund or invest it to supplement their income

I need $27k as a single SFR to cover basics. But I admit I blow another $30k a year on travel and women
Misty
6th Nov 2018
4:16pm
And who offered you a free trip OG?, you come out with all these outlandish statements but never back them up with an explanation so of course no one believes your nonsense.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
4:34pm
Lothario that what why I don't understand why OAP can't live on the pension. It is probably a case of no matter how much they got it would never be enough.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:37am
Some might have a better chance if stinking privileged rich folk didn't STEAL the food hampers that are meant for those doing it tough. The reason people are struggling is because nasty, arrogant, greedy PIGS - like you - OG - are rorting every direction - never satisfied with their lot.

Oh, I DO believe he gets free trips, Misty. All the stinking fat cat ex-politicians do, plus a lot of overfed company directors and retired bureaucrats. When you hear someone rant about Newstart being enough to live on, you know they are milking the system for freebies at every turn and have never had to live in the real world as we know it.
sunnyOz
11th Nov 2018
1:20pm
OnlyGenuineRainey - and only a few weeks ago, the total espouser of total complete rubbish - 'Old Geezer' - was boasting that he had just come back from a lengthy overseas trip!
Damn - I gave up believing in fairy stories years ago.... OG must really think the majority of readers here are as stupid, dumb and gullible as him!
ex PS
12th Nov 2018
8:32am
Leave OG alone, the poor man has to accept food parcels to survive. Why do people have to pick on welfare recipients all the time.
Janus
5th Nov 2018
10:23am
This guy, who revolts us all with the "Scomo" thing, was part of the decision to lower the asset cutoff, thus removing the capacity of many thousands of people who scrimped and saved all their lives, and finished up not getting a pension. They (we) were promised one thing, and were cheated out of it at the last minute. Mongrels!! I will never forgive the Liberals for that, nor the Greens who supported it.

Suggest you don't trust this bloke, he has shown his scheming ways before and will rip you all off again. Raise the pension? Then probably reduce the asset limit again, or raise the age. Retired folk = easy soft target.

Bitter? Me? Ok yes.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:15am
The lowering of the asset test was well over due and thank goodness they lowered it.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
11:20am
Should've included everything as an asset.... and taxed some who are hiding cash flows.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:49am
No idea what you are talking about Trebor.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:12pm
You have no idea what you are on about OG. The assets test change was a cruel and unfair blow to people who worked and saved hard and NEEDED that little extra for legitimate purposes. The change was a STUPID move that punished savers and encouraged more people to be irresponsible and retire on a pension. It is costing the taxpayer more.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:00pm
A couple doesn't need over $1.2 million and the OAP as well. That is simply being very stupid.
OnlyDaughter
5th Nov 2018
3:38pm
My recollection from OG's past boasts....oops, posts.....is that he is a self-funded retiree and not dependent on hand outs from government, as he phrased it; and he was only able to be a self-funded retiree because he planned his whole life, from the womb, onwards so wonderfully well. This was because, even as he heard his Mother's heartbeat in Utero, he knew he was destined to be a dyed in the wool fibber-to-all....oops...Liberal, becoming a sanctimonious, and parsimonious pain the gluteus maximus. Well, if all can show for your years of self-deprivation is investments returning the same as the Newstart allowance,you haven't been that good at it. Oh, and if you say that your investments have returned more but you have squirrelled it away for your overseas holiday, then this then comprises part of your daily living expenses the moment you book your holiday.
Mad as hell
5th Nov 2018
5:03pm
Hi Janus agree with you, lowering the assets limit was based on a lie and has turned out to be theft of pensioners entitlements. Can never trust the word of the LNP or Greens to honour an election promise.
George
5th Nov 2018
11:19pm
You are right, Janus, this is the guy as Treasurer who implemented Tony Abbott / Joe Hockey's disgusting changes to the Assets Test which CUT pensions - a major Broken Promise not to cut pensions. Now he is talking garbage out of another side of his mouth suggesting (but not promising) that he won't mind looking at increasing pension? What a joker! ALL MUST VOTE THIS MOB OUT, as well as all sitting members of Labor & Greens who went along with the same Asset Test changes.

BTW - All should make it a policy to ignore OG's lies / garbage comments, as he is simply paid per comment by the Liberal party to support their policies.
casey
5th Nov 2018
10:23am
I think if they lowered the pension age to 60 it would make more jobs available to younger people. Most people have there own home are debt free and their kids have flown the nest by this age. Cheaper to pay a pension to a couple, than benefits to a family with maybe 3 growing kids.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:16am
You can retire at any age so just save for it and do it.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
12:00pm
That’s using logic, Casey, and not a lot of our politicians use it.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:17pm
Nor the mean and delusional OGs of this world, Triss. Of course it makes sense - but common sense is far from common in this selfish society.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:29pm
... and get a good job if you want to buy a house...

Silver spooners talk all the way through... I thought they got rid of Fat Joe, but it seems he left a few mouth pieces behind...
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:39pm
Good point casey. The cry for never paying a pension is however the dominant BS.

OG - you are so full of it. See a shrink mate. You need help.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:46pm
Mick that would break my budget and one couldn't do that at all.
P$cript
5th Nov 2018
3:56pm
"You can retire at any age so just save for it and do it", correct OG, as for relevant to the comment rubbish.
Age you can retire and the age you receive a pension not necessarily the same.
Retired Knowall
5th Nov 2018
5:13pm
Homeowners in Australia without a Mortgage = 32%
Homeowners with a Mortgage = 36%
So are you suggesting people over 60 that are still paying off their house, retire and live off the pension.
Smart move, just ask the pensioners that still have a mortgage or are paying rent how they are getting along.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:06am
Retired Knowall, obviously retirement at 60 would be optional - as retirement at 65 is now. It would just give those who have planned and managed their affairs well the option to move aside and let younger folk have a go. Nobody is forcing anyone to go on the pension - ever - if they have better options. But I struggle to believe that anyone who hasn't paid off a home by age 60 is likely to benefit much from being denied a pension for another 5 - 7 years. Either they are very irresponsible and bad money managers, or they are disadvantaged and therefore would most likely be far better able to afford accommodation on a pension than struggling on Newstart or fighting for disability benefits.


The issue here is that Newstart is inadequate. A pension is obviously more satisfactory support for an over-60 who can't secure employment.
Retired Knowall
6th Nov 2018
7:42am
Even more satisfactory is being Self Funded, if that means working a few extra years, even to 70's if you can, it's more than worth it. The pension wont increase, basic maths will tell you that.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:08am
Of course that's the ideal, Retired Knowall, but many simply don't have that option. And both the LNP and Labor are colluding to make it harder and harder.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:33pm
I agree Retired Knowall and it gets easy every year to be self funded too. Sure Labor has put up a road block but I'm already got myself past it.
Misty
6th Nov 2018
4:18pm
Another silly comment from OG without an explanation,
Retired Knowall
6th Nov 2018
5:55pm
I disagree OG, it's not easy being Self Funded, many of those that are there did so by self sacrifice, hard work and I must say LUCK. I'm blessed with relatively good health despite having a minor heart attack and a bout of cancer, and the mental aptitude to enable me to have the skills that make me sought out for employment contracts at the age of 72.
Many others aren't so fortunate and these are the ones that require support.
However the system is badly flawed and Pollies on both sides haven't got the nouse or the drive to make meaningful changes.
1 Stop penalising SFR's with low/medium incomes. They are saving this country Millions.
2 Base the Pension on effective years worked and Tax paid. The Drones and professional unemployed by choice would receive less pension than those that contributed.
Instead of raising New Start spend that money creating work for those that are genuinely seeking same to break out of the poverty cycle.
I could go on, but the main thing we can all do is make sure NEITHER of the two main parties get in next time.
musicveg
6th Nov 2018
11:57pm
Excellent idea Casey, they won't do it because Newstart is cheaper for them, making people suffer in their old age either way work to the bone or scrounge around on Newstart.
Grammy
5th Nov 2018
10:28am
How typical! This creature would do anything for votes. People are not as stupid as you, Scott Morrison! Sleazy and slimy!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:17am
Same words can be said of Labor's leader too.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
12:03pm
He only said “he would rather”, that’s a passing phrase not something he’d ever do.
patti
5th Nov 2018
10:29am
No way could I live on Newstart! the costs are the same for both groups.....rent, power, food etc. Sure, I would love to see an increase in my age pension, but not at the expense of people struggling on Newstart, and many of them would be close to pension age, with no hope of employment. Scum and co could not even begin to imagine how they would live on that amount of income. Shame, shame, shame!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:18am
I can't see why anyone cant live on Newstart. I live on less than Newstart.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
12:06pm
Only if you have others paying some of your expenses, OG.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:08pm
I don't know who is then.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:23pm
Liar. You constantly boast about all the freebies others provide. You even lie here to claim things are free that certainly are NOT.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:41pm
You live on a parliamentary pension OG and your posts defy any form of logic.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:27pm
If I do Mick then they haven't paid me a cent of it.
sunnyOz
5th Nov 2018
2:36pm
Patti - I had to for 8 months after being shafted from a job. I live very frugally but the only way I could survive was to dip into my super. Thus reducing my super when I did go on the Aged Pension - for which Centrelink grilled me.
The only increase in Newstart rate should be for those aged over 50, AND if you have worked at least an average of 20 hours a week for the past 5 years.. (this simply a generalization, but along similar lines). This to stop the permanent welfare recipients from generational welfare living.
Dave R
5th Nov 2018
10:31am
Maggot is too kind a word for Morrison. His words mean nothing and his bitterly divided party have no idea what they are doing. Bring on the election as they have a landslide defeat coming to them.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:18am
I'm prepared to wait until May next year.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:42pm
Even the Murdoch and Stokes media barons will not change the result of the next election despite being in full propaganda mode already.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:27pm
Mick I don't read that nonsense.
P$cript
5th Nov 2018
4:03pm
OG, how do you know what the media said to call it nonsense, if you don't read it!

Simple is as simple does, OG!
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:45am
I used to write that stuff and if one didn't know they simply made it up for a story.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:13am
Oh, now this liar is a retired journalist. OG has been everywhere, done everything.... Actually, I think I recognize him. I met him back in 1973. He was on a bus lying to a young fellow telling him what he had achieved in ten years in the workforce. Only trouble was he couldn't do math. We worked out he'd have to be 90 to have done half what he claimed, and he was only 35 at the time.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
10:32am
There's a lot of pork barrelling going on from this government to get back into office.

First there's am unabated grooming and propaganda campaign going on from the media. Morrison is shown nightly, usually with glowing commentary, whilst Shorten is....dare I say in short supply. Blatant bias from the media barons to get THEIR political party back into office.

Next one has to look at the change in policies and rushed introduction of new ones. I noticed the other day that the overseas owned LNG industry which refuses to sell Australians any of our own gas is now being targeted for royalty increases. Why has this not happened in the past 6 years, why now and does anybody believe this lot of business owned puppets will go through with this the day after they were elected? Unlikely.

Expect the giveaways to continue but I urge voters to remember what happened after they 'elected' Abbott after the same media campaign: he declared all bets off the day after the election.
We have the same people in government so expect the same results. I can't see anything different and I REMEMBER the betrayal. Hopefully mentally challenged voters also remember as retirees have been badly targeted and those connected at the hip to a political party act in memory of what they have suffered. We'll see.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:19am
If you think Labor can do a better job you are dreaming.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:13pm
Anybody can do a better job than a group of corrupt coal owned left overs from the Howard era.
We will see OG. Whilst I personally would prefer to see a parliament full of Independents I'll have to settle for Labor next time around. We cannot afford the dictatorship which has been set up over the past 6 years reaching its ultimate goal.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:55pm
So you wont mind if Labor builds some coal fired power stations then.
Farside
5th Nov 2018
1:17pm
Labor won't be building coal fired power stations OG. You are well aware there is no appetite for investors to kick the tin for such folly.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:38pm
So it's Ok for power prices to triple again because we simply don't have enough power for the demand.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:48pm
OG - your normal dishonest scare campaign. Straight from party HQ.

Labor is accepting coal sponsorship but it is full steam ahead renewables. Any less and it would not be elected.
Power prices triple? Hang on....your man Abbott and Hunt said "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax" when Abbott was up for election. Since then prices have more than doubled. SO WHERE ARE THE LOWER PRICES FROM THE REPEAL OF THE CARBON TAX???? It never happened. What a surprise.
So now you play the same game again when you know full well that we need a mix, not new coal generators. You would also be aware that renewables are CHEAPER than coal to build and also do not need fuel which is an extra high cost.
Renewables are being built and only another bastard of a coal owned government legislating them out of existence could ever change that. Your party will undoubtedly try!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:29pm
My power bill today is a lot less than it was 10 years ago so it's not a worry to me at all. Also got a caravan that produces it's own power so can live in that if house power gets too expensive.
P$cript
5th Nov 2018
4:11pm
Labor can do a better job OG! You live in a bubble of your own right wing rubbish, there are numerous reports comparing the two parties. On nearly every economic measurements Labor comes out as the best managers. Only because the LNP keep saying they are the better economic managers the lazy believe them.
Misty
5th Nov 2018
4:44pm
Strange how there has not been a word out of the Coalition about the power outage in South Australia, maybe because it happened under their watch and not Labor's.
Rae
6th Nov 2018
7:27am
Misty the MSM never mentioned the storm in NSW a couple of years ago that took power down in this region for over 8 days either. It's all propaganda and so is this latest dribble from our PM. As if you'd believe him.

Pandering not only to the pensioners but also hinting that older folk don't care about the young on Newstart's appalling payments. A nasty piece of work indeed. Killing two birds and working hard on the generation wars.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:47am
Power outages are so frequent now that everyone should have a generator. It will only get worse over summer.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:19am
And struggling Newstart recipients can afford a generator and fuel to run it - you moron!
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
3:21pm
Why not OGR? Aldi sell then very cheap.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:15pm
Yep. About a full fortnight's Newstart would cover it, so if they starve and sleep in a park they can afford a generator, but then I don't think it would be much use to them. You are unbelievably STUPID OG. Just go away. You are polluting the world.
Misty
6th Nov 2018
4:21pm
But how reliable are they OG?.
Not a Bludger
5th Nov 2018
10:36am
Go Scomo - ignore the moaning and groaning minority - the vast majority of pensioners will cheer you on with this one.
Dave R
5th Nov 2018
10:44am
Are you speaking on behalf of all ten of you Notabludger?
Or on the government payroll?
Dave R.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:20am
No mater how much you give those on welfare it would never be enough. Talk about greed.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:14pm
Complete with his lump of coal Bludger? Its sad to see rusted on political supporters who's back despots and crooks rather than change the stench.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:01pm
Gee - and all this time,NAB, I thought you considered pensioners bludgers and leaners.... I take it any vote is a worthy one in an election year??

Let's go the whole hog and praise pensioners for being lifters until the election is decided... built the country on their backs and their toil and sweat and tears.. and often blood, they did.... salt of the earth they are.... couldn't speak more highly of them in an election year....
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:03pm
Nothing wrong with coal. Everything relies on using coal so get used to it. Coal is needed to make the equipment required for renewals and to dispose of them. Why not just use it as intended by nature who packaged it so nicely for use to use. After all it is yesterday's sunshine.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:52pm
Your normal nonsense OG. Renewable energy is making more renewables, not coal.

If you like coal so much then make a personal decision and demand coal as the change over happens. Please do not accept any cheap renewable energy. Please do not install solar on your Eastern Suburbs roof. Please do not ever buy a battery. Enjoy what you get.

There is an argument for citizenship removal for some Australians. Murdoch has left of his own accord but you may like to line up behind the likes of Abbott and his coal cronies for that award OG. You really are not an Australian of any worth or value.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:32pm
Mick I wish there was a coal mine around where I live so I could get some coal for winter as one uses a lot less coal than wood. Bought some cheap BBQ fuel that works well too.
P$cript
5th Nov 2018
4:22pm
" mater how much you give those on welfare it would never be enough. Talk about greed" great comment OG, but I seem to remember you commenting how you have cheap Christmas party by sponging of your relations.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
4:43pm
Welcome to The Old Geezer Comedy Hour....
Retired Knowall
5th Nov 2018
7:49pm
"Renewable energy is making more renewables, not coal."
Wrong, it is not possible to make Aluminium with renewable's for a start.
Most solar panels manufacturers now consume lots of electricity, usually pulled from coal or other fossil fuel-burning plants.
It's a bit early to shut down coal fired power stations, these will be required for some time as base load generators for high energy requirements, e.g. steel and aluminium smelters.
Renewables will continue to increase their share of the generation market and in time when technology matures, possibly with a combination of solar, wind, pumped hydro and yet to be proven hybrid systems.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:34pm
Funny I never thought of sponging on the rellies for Christmas. Then again I simply don't celebrate Christmas so wouldn't enjoy all their nonsense.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
3:53am
Yet another lie exposed, OG. You said your firewood was free and in abundance, so why would you use coal or BBQ fuel? Oh, sorry, of course. You forgot about the lie you told last week. A friendly hint, OG. LIARS NEED GOOD MEMORIES. You should quit. Obviously the few brain cells you might have been born with died a long time ago. No doubt killed by greed and selfishness.
Rae
6th Nov 2018
7:33am
Encouraging division and upsetting everyone bar the filthy rich seems to be a LNP thing.

Set Newstart's against Pensioners and watch the hatred begin again. Nasty piece of work whoever comes up with these media opportunities.

Australia is one of the few countries where the Government actively works to encourage generational warfare.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
11:07am
Labor has already upset the OAPs by promising to increase Newstart.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:16am
No, actually the majority of OAPs approve of Labor's intent in this area. And their approval rating improved. LNP's fell - despite ScoMo's pathetic attempt at vote buying. Nobody believes the party that shafted OAPs after lying to get elected.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:30pm
Social media is telling me the opposite to that OGR.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:04pm
You rely on social media for news. No wonder you are so stupid and ill informed!
clarkey
5th Nov 2018
10:45am
Another lnp con! Don't fall for it people, they have lied, they have cheated, they have stolen and they have and keep getting away with it! They are an ideological, totalitarian bunch of prats, that need to be shown the door! Morriscum promised electricity and gas prices to fall, we are still waiting for that! If you think or believe he will increase the pension then I have some land in Sydney Harbour that you may be interested in buying.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:21am
Oh dear you are really dreaming.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:16pm
These are the facts clarkey.
OG can stick his head in the ground but he is on the payroll so to be expected.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:43pm
Could you throw in the bridge, too, clarkey? Make it a package deal.. maybe the tunnel as well.. unless Gladys (Captain Hooknose - how did we ever get imported peasantry to run our states etc?) has already flogged it all off....
Misty
5th Nov 2018
4:48pm
OG has really excelled himself today, haven't seen so much BS from one person for a long time, I am sure he does it deliberately just to get a rise out of people.
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
10:57am
Anyone that believes this so-called Christen is brain dead -- this low life scum, oxygen thief Morrison will do ANYTHING to gain votes -- with his smirking attitude -- he has NO heart and the sooner he is out the better, believe NOTHING he says -- and his arm around cuddle is like the Judas kiss
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:22am
At least he has some morals.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:24pm
Morals OG? Like you?
Spot on PlanB. This lot are the worst stench I have ever seen in our parliament. It may be necessary to bring in the cleaners to sanitise the chamber after they are kicked out.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:46pm
That kirk of his is like a new Freemasonry, all helping one another out... and using every devil's own trick to do so and to gain power in the land .... they speak in tongues, too, many of them forked...

Look at the alumni of that 'church'....... and ya gotta admit - the 20th and early 21st Century was all Satan's.....
1984
5th Nov 2018
2:00pm
Name one Comrade Old Geezer
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
4:29pm
Yes, Trebor -- says a lot about anyone that follows that crap with all the happy clappers -- brain dead the lot of them the head of his church was a pedophile too -- the father of the bloke on does the onstage BS now.
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
10:59am
Also, the new start would be imposable to live on and afford to travel to find work -- I would like to see Scottscum do that or live on the OAP
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
11:01am
This Scum Morrison should get the job that suits him -- a used car salesman --
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:23am
Like all pollies they all failed at being a used car salesman that's why they are pollies.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:14pm
So now you admit they are useless turds, yet you support them being paid a king's ransom. OG you will say anything that comes into your empty head. You give nothing an ounce of thought, contradict yourself over and over, and take delight in causing others hurt. It's called sociopathic personality disorder. You need a shrink badly.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:25pm
Love it.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:59pm
Well OGR I certainly wouldn't be a pollie as they don't pay near enough for me to do the job.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:04pm
I'd do it for half that pay plus genuine costs as recorded fully.... let alone doing a Brad Hazzard and buying a heap of the land the new Newcastle trams run on before the project started.... gotta be in politics to give yourself a few 'business' "opportunities"... that's the only reason for the game at all...

Federal ICAC NOW! With powers to punish retrospectively any offences of insider trading and reaping benefit while as a servant....
Triss
5th Nov 2018
1:13pm
Yes, Trebor, going right back to the corrupt boys club which voted for lifetime, indexed pensions after eight years in parliament along with a dozen business class holidays for themselves and family.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:55pm
OG - what a lying piece of work you are. On the one hand you live on fresh air and on the other a politician's salary is not enough for you?
YOU ARE A RETIRED COALITION MP! Now likely being paid for what they call 'services to the Liberal Party'. That means running propaganda to keep the party in power.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:34pm
ROFL
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:11am
I live on less than $269 a week so people must be living way above their means on the OAP.
Foxy
5th Nov 2018
11:17am
What a joke you are OG to even write that comment! Pensioners are paying more than $269 a week in Private Rental! Try getting a life!!!

Oh yeah - didn't I read once you don't pay rent and live in a tent someplace? lol ...
Misty
5th Nov 2018
11:21am
Stop repeating yourself OG, no one believes a word you say anyway.
casey
5th Nov 2018
11:22am
Yes, you can live on less then $269 a week for day to day essentials. But what about car rego and running costs, insurance for house and car. Medical costs not covered by medicare, dental, rates etc. gets a bit tight at times
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:25am
OAP don't pay car regos so that not a cost to that at all. Insurance is a luxury so Centrelink tell me so that's not an issue. If you need medical costs not covered by Medicare then you simply don't need them. I really can't see why anyone has trouble living on $269 a week other than they have heaps of expenses they simply don't need.
fearlessfly
5th Nov 2018
11:37am
Bullshite ! I'm an OAP, and Vicroads still bill me annually for half the car rego. How the hell do you get away with not paying it ?
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:45am
You don't pay car rego where I live if you are an OAP. You also get you licence free, disability sticker free, rates free, free public transport, free fishing licence etc.
Star Trekker
5th Nov 2018
11:57am
Fearless in NSW they get free rego but still have to pay CTP (TAC) charge through their insurance company.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:01pm
Here OG goes again. Listing all the reasons why people on Newstart - who DON'T get all those freebies - can't live on their income. And then he has the disgusting gall to lie and claim he lives on less.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:04pm
What SCUM OG is. Car insurance is a luxury? Not for people who need a car to travel long distances to buy food and get medical attention. Anything not covered by Medicare is a luxury. What utter CRAP. So those with cataracts should just go blind waiting for treatment. People with teeth troubles should lose them and live on soup. Those who wrecked their spines or shoulders or hips with heavy lifting in unsafe workplaces should be denied the physio they need for pain relief and to keep them able to move. OG, you are just VILE.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:15pm
People can get their teeth fixed for free too so no issue there. You don't need a car to travel long distance for medical care as transport is available for free too. Cataracts are fixed for free too under Medicare. Bad backs are because people didn't lift things correctly so no one but them selves to blame.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:21pm
People CANNOT get their teeth fixed for free, Liar. And transport is NOT available free. Not even a PAID bus service from where I live. You are delusional, OG. Cataracts - there's a two year wait after you go virtually blind, and bad backs are a result of workplace hazards - not the fault of the victims. You are disgusting, OG. The most horrid type of THING in our world (Certainly not human!)
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:27pm
Correct Fozy. Rent is the leveller.
Those who bought a house are now able to survive on the OAP. Those who did not would be struggling. That's life.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:28pm
What a lot of rubbish OGR!

My grand daughter's boy friend got his teeth fixed for free and he didn't have to wait very long either. People around here get free transport to medical appointments as I sometimes drive them. I know of many people who have had their cataracts done and didn't have to wait long either.
Misty
5th Nov 2018
12:51pm
What rot OG GET IN THE REAL WORD, in NSW travel is not free for medical expenses, I have to pay $60.00 for a Community car to take me to Canberra for medical and dental reasons, no public transport here in the country.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
12:54pm
Hey, what are you doing chatting to Centrelink if you don’t need them. However I’m sure even Centrelink doesn’t think that people don’t need a roof over their head and rents anyway these days will cost over $200. I also understood that third party insurance was compulsory.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
1:04pm
Do you access any of the freebies you’ve listed, OG? If you do you’re a welfare recipient.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:04pm
Third party is only compulsory if you want to register your car. Many don't now.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:11pm
You can only get certain parts of dental work done for free - on a waiting list and with limited expertise available from interns... and younger people and a few others get preference... an old bludger with serious problems will only get an extraction or maybe a filling or two, you can't get root canal therapy for a dead nerve, and not even a new dental plate without extraction first of any remaining teeth... and nobody wants to lose the few they may have when they are in that position.

Know what you mean, Misty - when we lived down south, we could get community transport to Cambra, too... or run the car which costs ..... best to get really sick and you get a free chopper ride... great view...

I'm off to Tibet and taking a stop along the way for cheap full dental care.... local quote was $100k - Indians quote $8.5k.. and I'll do the tourist thing in the colder parts, thanks... come back with one of those fuzzy hats the young backpackers wear to show their creds as world travelers..
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:14pm
No register car? Ah - that's why the cops here are forever hitting the siren for two seconds and pulling older people over. I thought it was the Aboriginal Rego and Licence thing.... car of many colours and hey, bro - I got da Indigenous Licence dere.. not dat Captain cook one... dat one cost money...

We country folk need a car.... nearest doc is half an hour away on freeway.... and two buses a day.... give it a rest... any specialist is at least a freeway hour away ....... at least...and any such visit is a day's work.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:33pm
Oh - and people with disabilities need a car they can sit in - not a bus seat or even a cattle class plane seat...

You have no idea how much planning has to go into a week or so trip to Tasmania with a disabled passenger who can't sit in the car for more than a couple of hours.... and needs a heap of disability gear to carry... set aside three days just to get to the ferry.... from NSW...
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:49pm
I'd fly instead as I can leave here at 11am and be in Tassie by 5pm with a stop over in Sydney or Melbourne.
Gypsy
5th Nov 2018
2:06pm
OG. Goodness knows where you live but in WA we do NOT get any of those perks at all !! My car rego was $441.00 last month & it's 13yo. 3rd party is compulsory in WA & if you're caught with no rego, believe me, the book is thrown at you as I've known some ppl around here that were so broke, it became car rego or food. Food won.
We have NO public transport. Dental is not free, most Drs don't bulk bill anymore. I also have to pay my drivers lic but we do now get a free ACROD sticker. Yay!
Honestly, I am not jumping down your throat like the majority but I would sincerely love to know how you can live off $269 per week. In rural WA, it is impossible!
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
2:15pm
OG. you must live in the God knows where,

I am in NSW and I get rego for free BUT have to pay a good deal for the 3rd party green slip and also to get my car passed for rego -- I get my Licence free -- disability-free --but I have to pay my rates -- which are quite expensive --- also house and car insurance -- which IS very necessary -- maybe you are living with someone and don't have to pay rates -- if you have a house you would HAVE to pay rates -- Dental work costs a fortune -- as does some medical -- and if you are on medications you still have them to pay for even though at a reduced rate --

Old Geezer, you are a nasty lying piece of work so stop giving fair dinkum people a hard time and wake up to yourself.

If you don't pay for any of what you stated then you are the bludger mate!
Triss
5th Nov 2018
2:25pm
And a welfare recipient, PlanB.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:26pm
I certainly pay my way and $269 is $13988 a year which is more than enough to pay for everything I need. Rates and insurances are only about 10% of that a year.
P$cript
5th Nov 2018
4:30pm
OG you're a complete RWNJ!
Your the uncle that scares all the kids.
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
4:32pm
Well OG you must be bludging off someone -- from what you have told us all --
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
4:52pm
Well - good for you - what part of 'the disabled passenger cannot use economy seats in planes'... do you not understand? And what part of 'heap of disability gear' evades you?

Rather take the slow trip and see more... anyway...
Misty
5th Nov 2018
4:56pm
OG so you can afford to juust hop on a plane at the drop of a hat, your comments get sillier every time, no wonder no one believes what you say.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:29pm
.. but that's not part of his costs of living......
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
8:15pm
There OG goes again with his lies. Rates and insurance - but he doesn't own a house, so how does he pay rates and insurance. And where did he DREAM 10%. My rates alone are three times that amount and my house and contents insurance is more than 10% of $13988.

There's no way anyone can live on $269, and having to try is stopping them finding work. You can't get out of a hole when poverty is pushing you further into it.
Foxy
5th Nov 2018
11:14am
Scumbucket "ScumMo" is looking to "buy" votes from the Baby Boomers plus ..... a decent Age Pension rise is long overdue but would not believe a word that comes outta' his mouth!

Also if I see him once more doing the "Wiggles" dance and doing "High Fives" with 4 year old's in Kindergartens - I will puke!! What a MEGA JERK!!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:27am
He already has all the votes of those 2 million over 65 not on welfare. He also has the votes of those who cant see why education and health care need even more funding as they are already very inefficient.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:05pm
That's ROT, OG. A lot of SFRs will not vote for the stinking vile party that ripped them off in the assets test change. They may not favour Labor, but they sure as hell won't vote for the rich man's party.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:31pm
Crap OG. You and your boss wish.

Correct Foxy. This lot are now giving away money like lollies. They know they have savaged retirees and believe that a few empty promises will bring them back.
They knew they had sold out the country with the LNG which was heading offshore for almost zero royalties whilst Australians were refused any gas despite shortages here.

What we are seeing no w is desperation. The mainstream media is in full grooming/propaganda mode which is why you rarely see Shorten with a gig but do see Morrison being back slapped and advertised every night. I hope Shorten introduces a MEDIA ANTI PROPAGANDA LAW when he gets in.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:45pm
Oh dear so you haven't seen Shortens social media laughable attempts then.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
1:57pm
But I have seen Abbott, Turnbull and now Morrison in action. What's laughable is that these people have attacked average Australians of all manner and TRANSFERRED what they have taken to the top end of town.
Read all about it here:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/05/joseph-stiglitz-america-should-be-a-warning-to-other-countries
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:22pm
Mick the government has not attached average Australian at all. You are dreaming.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:16am
Correct for once, OG - but only because as well as having a bad memory, you can't spell!

The government didn't ''attach'' anyone, but the LNP certainly ATTACKED the average Australian.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
11:09am
LNP has not attacked the average Australian at all. You are dreaming OGR.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:24am
Then why are hundreds of thousands of aged up to $12,000 a year WORSE OFF, after being PROMISED no cuts to pensions? That's a vicious attack. And that's just one of many.
Every Australian I know is worse off than a year ago and fearful of the LNP's next attack. Of course you don't see it, OG, because you are nothing remotely near AVERAGE with your long list of privileges that nobody else can access (except maybe billionaires like Turnbull)
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:30am
OG, I had a plan to be self-funded for most of my retirement years, but it REQUIRED the pension I was promised to be paid for the first few years so I could add to my nest-egg. LNP killed that plan and now I will cost the nation far more over the years. And morons like you who haven't the faintest idea what they are on about endorse that sort of attack on the basis of meaningless ''Centrelink figures''. Younger retirees NEED to be getting better off so that they have enough to get through their later retirement years. An intelligent government would have linked the assets test to age, but not the idiots in power now. No. They take 7.8%+++ as a penalty for earning 5% and wonder why the budget blowout increases. IDIOTS
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:54pm
OAPs better start spending their capital or the government be it LNP or Labor will tighten the assets test even further. If they are not spending their capital then they don't need the OAP. It is as simple as that.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:55am
Only a TOTAL IDIOT could think that OG. Spend your capital in early retirement and you are broke and stuffed later. What a moronic concept. No wonder the national budget it in trouble with rich morons like you making decisions. Never lived in the real world and never had to make money stretch, and to arrogant and greedy to listen to common sense, and too brainless to THINK. All they can think of is TAKE MORE FOR THE GREEDY RICH.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
11:17am
Stating a 'preference' is not the same as doing - this is the Emperor's New Pork Barrel writ large..... expect that barrel to roll every which way until the election is done, at which poiint a desperate budget emergency will once again demand tightening the purse strings in order to focus only on pet projects.

furthermore - this is an obvious attempt at bribery of pensioners while enlarging the 'split' between pensioners and 'other social security recipients...

Never going to happen... and while we're at it - is there a guarantee for the smaller SMF holders?
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:00pm
Oh no, Trebor. Divide and conquer. Favours here. Hits there. Keep 'em all guessing who is next in line.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:32pm
I'm waiting for the Shorten/Bowen next move with the smaller SFRs.... and dividend imputation returns.. one said one thing.. the other another.... we'll apply pressure until a sensible solution is offered.....

Big Bad Bill is in Malbadishu waiting to attend the Malbun Cup tomorrow - no doubt he is there on official business... the Malbun Cup is just a fortunate little windfall while working flat out on treasury expense account..

Me cynical? Nah...
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:32pm
And did you hear the government is changing the laws so that the LNG industry has to actually pay a royalty. I'll believe that when I see it and likely it will go away after the election anyway. Not worth the prime time media promotion time it got!
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:55pm
Amazing - is that royalty to the States or to the Fed?

I still say, at the base of it, that there is not one earthly reason why a local investment base HERE in Australia could not develop 'industries' for the betterment of this nation first... instead of fire-saling everything off to offshore corporate bludgers and parasites.

Are Australians stupid and worthless, and incapable of putting together a project? They've been doing it for decades now, but it's all the offshore pirates that get the gold every time these days.

BHP managed before they sold their soul to the 'global economy' and the syrene call of 'cheap labour' (and higher costs for product!). The Snowy Scheme was managed.. the railways... the harbour bridge... local ship-building.... local arms factories... local train building...

Did IQs and motication suddenly drop starting in the latter half of the 20th Century... was that something to do with mass imports of lesser grade troops to fill the 'gaps', same as is occurring nowadays with importation of masses of Asians, middle easterners, Islanders, and such to 'do the jobs Australians don't want to do' like fruit picking?

**roll out the Banana Boat song**
floss
5th Nov 2018
11:28am
Thanks Mr. Hockey you have saved me from C/Link.Poor but happy, lest we forget at the next election.Love your style TREBOR you judged the Old Fibber correctly.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:30am
I don't read any of Trebor posts any more as they do my head in. I see you are up to your old tricks again floss and I luv it.
Hillbillypete
5th Nov 2018
11:56am
Wonder if this is the Floss I know?
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:33pm
Yes floss. Get down and get angry. There needs to be more of it.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
11:43am
I just can't believe we have so many whingers on this site. You should be thankful we have a welfare system instead of whinging about not being able to buy stupid unnecessary things like Christmas presents which only end up in the dust bin.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
11:58am
What a selfish lying scumbag you are, OG. The Christmas presents I buy allow my grandchildren to go to school in respectable shoes that fit! Only the stinking selfish overpaid rich pigs give gifts that end up in the dustbin. Not people who are struggling on pensions or Newstart. But you wouldn't have a clue what life in like in the real world. Born with a silver spoon and now it's gold plated!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:12pm
Kids today would just throw those school clothes and items back at you in a hissy fit so why bother?
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:19pm
My grandchildren were over the moon and so grateful. One grandson phoned me after his first day back at school to tell me how proud he was of his shoes and how comfortable they were to wear. But stinking vile greedy self-serving silver spooners wouldn't understand that.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:25pm
ROFL
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:34pm
And I can't believe we have right wing trolls allowed to publish coalition lies OG.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:36pm
We don't have a welfare system.. it's all bought and paid for Social Security funded for years out of income and other tax strands as required (Menzies' words)... thanks for coming.

This death grip that politicians believe they have over the social security purse strings is the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the general public .... it is a bill falling due and needs to be paid in full - and that includes those thrown on the unemployment scrap heap.


Key-Stroke Word for today:- 'unempolyment' -(n) ... the concept of ousting politicians without one cent except for Centrelink payments
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:56pm
We do have a welfare system that gives welfare to those who have no other means of support. They didn't have to pay for it in any way or form at all.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:17pm
But you always say there are fat cats copping pension, and that pensioners are overpaid.... now it's 'those with no other means of support'.....

And it was paid for every day of my working life, and I'm happy for pensioners to get it... you are fantasising again, OG, about where the money comes from for pensions.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
1:24pm
I think the way you go on about pensioners and people who access social security benefits would class you as one of the whingers, OG.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:39pm
I have no need to whinge at all.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
1:51pm
Grand-kids are copping a kick for schooling out of house sale before next move to the coast.... not enough to upset The Guv'nah, though...
Triss
5th Nov 2018
2:16pm
You might have no need to whinge, OG, but re read some of your comments and you'll see that you do whinge.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:21pm
ROFL.
thommo
5th Nov 2018
12:07pm
Don't ever trust Morrison....He now makes noises intimating that he might increase the age pension, but clearly it is to win votes from pensioners...
Firstly, don't ever forget that it was Morrison, in cahoots with that liar Abbott who changed the assets test in the 2015 Budget, both indicating that the age pension was too generous.
Now Morrison wants our vote.. Well for my part, he won't be getting my vote, even if he does increase the pension. What he will get instead is a bat in each of my hands at the next election...
That way he won't need to tell any more lies.....
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:17pm
Sounds to me like he is being very responsible and will look at it if the budget can afford it. Not just giving promise after promise like the other mob with no idea how they are going to pay for it.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:37pm
Well written thommo.

OG - you offend me and others. "Afford it"? What , like tax cuts for the rich whose wealth has been surging ahead in the past decade. Here's something for you to read. Apllicable to our country:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/05/joseph-stiglitz-america-should-be-a-warning-to-other-countries

Even a half wit cannot imply this is 'biased' given who the information is coming from. But you are a special case OG.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:37pm
Very responsible with everyone's money and livelihood except his own and that of his mates is more like it. I notice that when there are loads to be borne equally - some are definitely more equal than others...
fearlessfly
5th Nov 2018
12:57pm
Interesting read that Mick, and so applicable to the horrible situation in Australia today !
MICK
5th Nov 2018
2:01pm
I hope that posters on this website read the story and pass it on to their friends. Whilst primarily about America we have had the same game afloat here. That's why average Australians are hurting so much although they do not understand how that has happened. The article articulates this. a must read for anybody wit an allegiance to this government.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:19pm
Mick there is nothing in this article at all.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:26pm
Yesterday I spoke with a woman who is desperate for work and goes to an average of 6 interviews each week, but she said if she does get a job she will probably be $600 a fortnight WORSE off than she is now. And stupid politicians rant about wanting to put people into jobs? (Yes, she has dependant children.)

Maybe first address the lack of available jobs and the lousy pay and conditions in some of them, before blaming the victims of bad government and corporate greed?
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:38pm
There are not enough jobs OGR and unemployed people, genuine ones, are made to jump through hoops to try and push them off benefits. Same as self funded retirees were cannibalised by this government.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:47am
And unfortunately, Mick, SFRs are going to be cannibalised again - suffering even more - under the ALP. Of course the ALP might change it's stupid policy, but that would be amusing, because then they would be making a policy from which everyone is exempt, and raising $0 because the policy didn't actually affect anyone - except maybe a tiny handful of clever tax avoiders who should be taken to task honestly, rather than through an idiotic and harmful change to a correct, fair and proven policy of refunding tax that was paid but not owed.
KSS
6th Nov 2018
6:41am
Not sure I agree OnlygenuineRainey. Clearly there are jobs out there, the woman you mention is going to 6 interviews a week! She just isn't getting them - but someone is.

Perhaps the lady in question needs to look at her interview technique, and believe it or not the job agency (those linked to Centrelink payments) can actually help with this.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Nov 2018
2:00pm
There are always jobs, KSS. It's how few that poses the problem. Just not nearly enough for all the job seekers. And when there are not nearly enough jobs, the least skilled and educated and those lacking self-confident are by-passed over and over again. And when you can't get a break anywhere, you lose confidence and hope and then you have less chance because that reflects in your attitude and presentation. It become a vicious cycle that is very hard to break, and living in poverty just makes it that much harder. It destroys your faith in humanity, your trust, and your self-respect, as well as limiting your options to travel to look for work, to explore retraining or upskilling opportunities, to engage in personal development, to improve your dress, keep your hair styled, etc.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
12:27pm
This is the same TURD who used the assets test change to give more to people with $300-$500,000 in the bank and NOT ONE CENT TO THE NEEDY.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:30pm
That asset test was well over due to be changed and I am so glad they did change it.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:40pm
And of course YOU have a parliamentary super scheme which does not have an assets test OG. So you attack those who have been pushed into spending their capital because they cannot get a return on their money.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:52pm
No pollie super for me.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Nov 2018
1:48pm
Taking from some to give to others who had plenty already, while ignoring those who had nothing, was well overdue? What sort of IDIOT makes a statement like that?
Jim
5th Nov 2018
12:29pm
I think the argument should be who needs the most help, many young Newstart recipients live together sharing their costs and have a much better lifestyle than many pensioners who have paid into a system for up to 50 years and have been let down by governments of both persuasion, I know many pensioners who haven’t benefited from the windfall of superannuation and are on struggle st, I am not sure there are many young people who will struggle in the same way as pensioners, the young are much more resilient than older people, then of course you have older people who for a variety of reasons have been living on struggle st for many years, they may not have reached pensionable age and are trying to survive on Newstart, each circumstance needs to be assessed differently, the problem I see is how do we stop the rorts and direct the assistance to those that need it most.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
12:38pm
Spoken like a true gentleman, Jim.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
12:42pm
Well thought out Jim.
If one looks at what has happened over time a single income earner used to be able to pay off a house and everybody got a pension.
Then it took a 2 income family to repay a mortgage.
Now 2 incomes are insufficient and the pension is severely restricted with Newstart being a high hurdle to trip up recipients and force them off.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:43pm
I cant see why the old folk can't live together like the young ones do too. Seems so stupid to be proud and struggling instead.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
2:31pm
Some people are just not sociable and dislike living that close to others.
Foxy
5th Nov 2018
3:17pm
ROFLMFAO ....................................

Geeeeeez Old Geezer ... the mere thought of sharing a home with you sends me into a frenzy for an instant double dose of NEMBUTAl.............
52-KID
5th Nov 2018
3:36pm
I totally agree with you. There is one thing that nobody has mentioned about Newstart, and it's that the Government has already taken money away from it. I have a granddaughter who has just turned 22 and is not eligible to receive any sort of assistance until she turns 23. Luckily she does have some work, and has not moved out to need to pay rent and such. The reason she gets nothing: her parents have jobs, so it's up to them to support her up until that age now.

I am on a pretty good wicket living in a granny flat in the yard of one of my children. I do pay "board" and I pay for the internet and mobile phones - I can just manage on my pension mostly, but there's NO way I could live on Newstart money - unless maybe I just lived on 2 minute noodles, the food of the Newstart kids.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
4:55pm
A cruise with OG would have you leaping the hand rails....
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:43pm
Trebor I spend less than USD20 on my last cruise so I could show how to cruise on a budget. Then again I have heaps of cruise credits but I am over cruising so wont be using them.
Misty
6th Nov 2018
12:43am
Give it up OG, your comments are getting even more unbelievable, if that is possible.
leek
5th Nov 2018
12:52pm
OGR- Good one. So over Old Geezer. Yep like "EVERYBODY" lives on property that they can get firewood for heating. not every body can have 'free'places to live in. if we didn't have people earning/spending money then our economy would collapse. I bet OG would want great health care when needed. And where does that come from?? people paying their taxes. the more poor people we have in this country then the poorer we will become as a nation, as those people are not spending,just spending to make ends meet is not helping our ecnomy one single bit. I hate paying $4 or more for a cup of tea at a cafe, and I rarely do it. But when I do, I know that my $4 is helping to pay the people working behind the counter, and those people are probably paying to keep children at school, and so goes on the circle of life.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
12:53pm
I just get the free coffee at the Golden Arches or make my own.
Triss
5th Nov 2018
1:36pm
I’ll perhaps go along with you on that, OG, Macdonald’s coffee is so awful they shouldn’t be charging for it. I prefer my own coffee.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:41pm
MacDonald's coffee is best I have ever tasted unlike those other the dish water from those other coffee shops that charge the earth.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
2:03pm
leek - "people paying their taxes". Now that's a story in itself. Offshore tax shelters anyone?
Triss
5th Nov 2018
2:19pm
Well I suppose it might taste better if it's free, OG, but I still think your taste buds are upside down.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
2:37pm
Obviously you haven't drunk coffee in my mini Starbucks in the kitchen here... Macca's is OK.. just....

THIS government's tame ATO is now putting the bloodhounds on Offshorites.... checking their transactions going back five years, I think...
musicveg
7th Nov 2018
12:35am
I gave up coffee and feel so much better for it, saves me heaps of money.
KSS
5th Nov 2018
1:27pm
Wow! What a lot of abusive contributions and Mr Morrison has promised nothing!

The article quotes:
"“Well I've got to tell you, if I thought I had the money to do that, I reckon I'd be doing it for pensioners first.”"

It does NOT say he WILL raise pensions, or that he has the money to do so. Therefore, there is no choice to be made between Newstart and the age pension. Settle down you lot and wait for 'real' announcements - on both side - before getting your knickers in knots. At this rate you wont last until election day!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:39pm
One can only imagine to screams when their pensions get cut by Labor then.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
2:07pm
Morrison has been on a lollie hand out campaign as he realises he is in for a bad loss shortly.
You might be a coalition supporter but the form is the form.
If you want to be unhappy about supposed unfairness then please watch the mainstream media (7 and 9 networks). All you get is Morrison grooming, back slapping and Shorten blacked out. I suppose that is ok by you KSS?

OG - Labor does not cut pensions nor does it repeatedly come after retirees. The only exception I can think of is the franking credits policy where some retirees may be slightly impacted.....but this will likely be modified before the election.
Your lot are corrupt Grim Reapers who would steal the gold out of their own mothers' teeth. Your party.....and that says something about you.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:18pm
I don't even know who my lot are. so cant comment there.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
4:58pm
So it's HIS money now, is it?

Says it all about ingrained attitude, eh? OI can dictate where MOI money goes every time... and the scum can eat it or die!

A PM is nothing but a mouthpiece for his/her party - not one reason in the world to pay them handsomely and pay them any more than a backbencher ..... they represent, in reality, nobody outside their own seat... same with all Ministers - nothing but mouthpieces for work done by public servants already... or in this day of thievery in government, a few overpaid mates on the outside....

Cut all their pays to $150k + proven genuine costs of business.
KSS
6th Nov 2018
6:45am
Mick, I've told you before unless you have any proof of your accusations, (and I know you haven't because none exists) keep your opinions of my political preferences or TV watching habits to yourself.
Sundays
5th Nov 2018
1:48pm
Morrison would have us believe that most Newstart recipients are young people, sharing a house or living at home who don’t want to work. The reality is that half are over 45 years old and it takes twice as long for them to find employment compared to younger people. If you are over 60 it’s almost impossible. He thinks by making these types of statements he will get older people on side. No chance! Newstart is a disgrace and forces people, especially older people into poverty.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:52pm
Young people under 22 are not on Newstart at all. Some are on Youth Allowance but most are supported by their parents instead. It is a real nightmare trying to treat adults like kids and causes many kids to leave home and live on the streets. I regularly have a couple of them staying with me for awhile until they can get back on their feet and find somewhere else to stay. Our youth unemployment should be at least twice what it is officially.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
2:09pm
Correct Sundays. It is well understood that those over 50 who lose their job will rarely every get another well paid job and are likely only suitable for insecure low paid part time work. Newstart!
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:00pm
A timely reminder of the chicanery and outright theft of this style of 'government', OG - sometimes you are a real gem.....
musicveg
7th Nov 2018
12:39am
OG, among all the comments you have made on this post, your thoughts on Youth allowance has a sense of compassion and kindness, I have to give you credit for this.
Blossom
5th Nov 2018
1:51pm
Newstart Benefit is good for those who are physically unfit to work but don't qualify for Disability Pension. Depending on who assesses you, you may not be able to walk around unassisted or sit up for long but if they reckon you can work the equivalent of 1/2 day a fortnight they expect you to do it. No company will employ you for that short a time. Very few companies will employ a person over the age of 50 or 55 if they are going to have to train them for different work to what they have done in the past or need updates. Newstart is lower than the Aged Pension and you have to use some of it to travel to interviews. You have to report to the employment agency Centrelink allocates you regularly.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
1:58pm
You don't have to travel for an interview as the employment agency can talk to you by phone or Skype instead. They don't tell you about it but it is available.
MICK
5th Nov 2018
2:09pm
Unlikely OG. This government is cracking its neck to kick people off the queue.
Misty
5th Nov 2018
2:09pm
I don't know why OG even bothers to comment on YLChoices as no one believes his nonsense, he never backs up his comments with explanations, just goes on repeating his nonsense.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:16pm
Rubbish.
Misty
5th Nov 2018
5:10pm
Well you never do OG, give us a run down on your 3 monthly costs, food, living expenses, health, rates , power, transport etc and then we might believe you but at the moment very few do, put your money where your mouth is as the saying goes.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
7:59pm
Misty, OG claims he could live on Newstart and says he gets nothing for free, and then he claims he pays no rent, rates, or house insurance, gets free firewood, food hampers (intended for the needy, but he keeps them), petrol 27c cheaper than the rest of us, free electricity from solar, senior discounts on EVERYTHING, and free weekends in a Gold Coast resort.
Nobody believes him because his own contradictions prove he is lying.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:46pm
OGR do I see the green eyes of jealousy here?
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:13am
Not at all, OG. Just UTTER DISGUST at your lies. The most abhorrent people in the world are those who can't tell the truth. And you go one further. You use your lies to support deprivation and abuse of the less privileged.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:24am
OG, how could I be ''jealous'' of a moronic liar without a heart or a brain? I love my life. What I have, I earned honestly and without hurting anyone. I have understanding and empathy and pride, and the ability to analyse facts and come to valid conclusions. How could I possibly be ''jealous'' of a vile, dishonest, over-privileged idiot who claims to live well and make a fortune on investments, then claims to be the world's biggest SPONGER AND THIEF, and then tries on the BS that he lives on less than Newstart - even expecting people to believe it funds his lavish overseas trips and luxury caravanning adventures! Which is it OG? Do you get everything for free and live on peanuts, or are you successful and a clever investor? Obviously you can't decide which lie works best to denigrate and abuse others.

Remember saying you earned more in retirement than working? Well if you are living on less than Newstart you must have been a CLASSIC FAILURE at work. No wonder you had to go into politics and steal from the people! You would have been in very good company in LNP headquarters. Lots of callous, abusive, brain-dead liars there.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
11:12am
OGR just because I make money it doesn't mean that I have to use all of it to live on. I only live on what I need to not what I have to live on.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:57am
And elsewhere you claimed an intention to die broke, LIAR.
Cheezil61
5th Nov 2018
2:13pm
Don't believe a word those liars say about any of their election promises!
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:17pm
Only ones making election promises at the moment are Labor. Haven't seen any form the other parties as yet.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:01pm
Lessee now - restore penalty rates.... install a Federal ICAC... that's two wins for Labrador already.... and Morrisco has nothing with which to reply.....
KSS
6th Nov 2018
6:56am
Trebor you forgot the removal of negative gearing, removal of franking credits, early childhood learning for all 3 year olds, removal of gender from birth certificates, enforcement of 'safe school' program in all schools (these two to be ratified at the upcoming conference). Then there's:

"Unfreeze Medicare, make record investments in mental health, invest in more hospital beds and staff, and invest in new urgent care clinics to relieve pressure on emergency departments"

"fair funding for every public school in the country, based on need. It would put Tafe back at the centre of vocational education, renovating Tafe campuses around the country and waiving upfront fees for 100,000 Tafe places in its first-term in government. It would also uncap university places and from 2021 make preschool and kindergarten available to every three-year-old for 15 hours a week, 600 hours a year."

"cap rises in private health insurance premiums at no more than 2% for its first two years of government. It would “invest in renewables to bring the price of power down”.

"restore the Sunday and public holiday penalty rates of 700,000 working Australians, crack down on firms exploiting labour hire, equal treatment of female workers, with higher wages for jobs overwhelmingly performed by women: aged-care workers, early childhood educators and paid carers."

Now this is of course just for starters. So I'd like to know how all this largess is going to be paid for.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
11:14am
KSS They will have to triple everyone's tax to pay for it all.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:21am
No. They would just have to collect the tax that is morally owed by the stinking wealthy and big corporations.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
1:51pm
Ha ha OGR it certainly wont be the wealthy paying any more tax.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:13pm
No, of course not OG. The wealthy will NEVER pay their way. Their greed and selfishness is beyond belief. They could have trillions and they would still want more, and they would still try to tell themselves and others that you can live on Newstart, because it suits their vile greedy purposes to make themselves believe that it's okay for them to hoard everything and pay nothing.
Lothario
6th Nov 2018
4:17pm
OnlyGenuineRainey

What a disgusting comment to make about another human being

The wealthy worked hard for their money , working to build their business, risking capital , stressing and spending time away from family to build wealth
They are nation builders and employers and contribute a great deal so that whingers, and nasties like you can get welfare and spit on the hands that feed you
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:51am
Lothario, it's sadly the truth. No ''wealthy'' person worked hard for their money. The people being bashed today - who have modest retirement nest eggs under $1.6 million - worked hard, built their businesses, paid their tax, etc. The wealthy DID NOT. You can't get wealthy working hard. The wealthy inherit, then rort, exploit, avoid tax, and bully the poor.

The nation builders are those who retired comfortable and are now being bullied for it and threatened with losing their franking credits as punishment for striving.

And don't you dare call me a whinger. I worked my guts out to pull a family out of poverty, educate my kids to be professionals, and retire self-funded. I don't get welfare you ASSUMING ASS. And the only hand I spit on is that of the criminals who destroyed my family's life in my childhood in the name of excess wealth for themselves - and who were lauded, applauded, and rewarded richly for their crime. THEY ARE WEALTHY. And the government treats them as heroes.
PlanB
5th Nov 2018
2:38pm
Old Geezer -- OAP do NOT get rego for FREE -- I am in NSW and have to pay to have my car passed AND for the 3rd party which is over $400 -- I get my license for free --disability for free -- I pay a very large amount on rates -- car insurance -and house insurance -- there are some medical bills -- and medications that have to be paid even though on a reduced rate -- Dental is NOT free and costs an absolute fortune -- it costs me at least $100 per week on food and I live alone.

If you are not paying rates then you do not own a house -- maybe you live with someone else?
If you don't have insurance on a home then good luck that it doesn't burn down -- but I guess you do not own a home and are living on or in someones else's property

Also if you get your teeth done for nothing you must be on some Centrelink payment --

Also if you get the free coffee you are on a payment too or have lied --

Old Geezer ---Its about time you lying nasty piece of work that you stopped you BS and bludging and respected other fair dinkum people here.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
2:59pm
What a lot of rubbish! You really have no idea but are full of it with all your guessing.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:02pm
Welcome to The Old Geezer Comedy Hour - brought to you live from his mother's basement...
Foxy
5th Nov 2018
11:03pm
lol lol lol - now that's funny Trebor! lol lol lol
Misty
7th Nov 2018
9:48am
Just ignore OG PlanB, he is only putting all this rubbish here to get people riled up, goodness only knows who the real OG is but it obviously cannot be the person he states he is here because he is constantly contradicting himself.
Old Man
5th Nov 2018
2:43pm
What I find unnecessary is all of the derogatory epithets attached to a member of parliament. Surely it's possible to make a valid argument without hiding namelessly behind a keyboard? If the article is read correctly, it says that labor has indicated that it will look at increasing Newstart. There's a definite maybe that can't be classified as a broken promise if elected.

Just as a matter of interest, I find the abuse by fearlessfly somewhat ironic. Is he/she aware that a fly comes from a colossal maggot?

Morrison, however, has only said that if the money was available his choice would be to increase pensions rather than increase Newstart. Again, a definite maybe but those responding to this article have turned all of this into political promises which must be kept.
Lothario
5th Nov 2018
3:15pm
Correct Old Man

Labor said they will increase Newstart to encourage more to stay on the dole and keep voting labor

Morrison said that if we had money in the budget, he'd rather increase pensions

I say dont increase either. The money is better spent on infrastructure
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:06pm
He's a member all right...... parliament I'm not so sure about any more....

He said that if HE had the money - you see, it's all his to play with as he chooses - he's The Big Man struts this narrow world like a colossus... what a great insight into the political mind..... a laugh a day watching politics..... they are so puerile and out of their depth it is just hilarious... except for the harm they continue to do.

They all need to be brought down to reality for a change.... bring on the guillotines, Igor.... and give them a whipping with the third switch first.... there's a good man...
Lothario
5th Nov 2018
3:12pm
in the papers today
"According to the centre’s director, Professor John Piggott, of the University of NSW, “our analysis shows that standards of living of older people have improved over the last decade . . . Households reaching retirement age today have incomes about 45 per cent higher than those reaching the same milestone 10 years ago.”

That’s a real increase of 45 per cent, after taking account of inflation."

Those on the pension shouldnt be complaining at all

I live a modest lifestyle and spend far less than the pension even though im an sfr
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:08pm
... and the associated costs of living are ten times higher .....

The professor is an idiot - take the pension to get by on, get out there, and buy your fortnightly goods .... let's see how you and Banks and the rest really go ... no back-up - you have to go without anything but your car, empty of fuel, for a fair fortnight's rendering.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:48pm
About time we saw someone brave enough to expose the real truth.
Lothario
6th Nov 2018
3:46pm
Trebor - you obviously don't understand money, economics and common sense very well. Also you appear to have trouble accepting the truth
Lookfar
5th Nov 2018
3:29pm
Hey team, don't let OG distract you, he is paid, as I understand, by the number of posts he makes, and by the percentage of the discussions he side-tracks away from the discussion point, - that is his real job, misdirect and derail the discussion, and his personna is based on the Multi Billionaires that pay him, - lying, thieving, totally amoral, contemptuous of us '"Sheep", as those Neo Liberals call us, - sure, dump on him, if it makes you feel better, although don't give him much oxygen, but he will only laugh inside thinking he has fooled yet another old idiot to veer away from the divisive subject that that immoral scomo has laid on us, - get more money but take it from the unemployed, - never mind that they are at about the 5% planned for them, just fan hate and resentment, and meantime the .01% take and take, and the devil take the hindmost, - to make my point clear, this video of children on strike about the climate, - watch it and weep, I did.
https://www.facebook.com/100013555095428/videos/vb.100013555095428/544695065992325/?type=2&theater
Lothario
5th Nov 2018
3:56pm
you sound like a paid poster for the other side.

The topic is Morrison said he would rather increase pension than newstart if finances permit.
This was in response to your side's pork barelling vote inducing stunt to pay people more to stay unelmployed
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:09pm
He said if he had the money - he owns it all, you know........

The unemployed should be paid enough to live on.... not hard, eh?
Misty
5th Nov 2018
5:17pm
Well Lothario SM is certainly doing a good job pork barreling in QLND today with his bus that he copied from BS.
Misty
5th Nov 2018
5:18pm
and don't worry Kerryn Phelps will keep the ba----ds honest now it is a hung parliament.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:33pm
... not hung high enough....
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:50pm
Well that was my best laugh of the day that one.
Adrianus
6th Nov 2018
10:27am
You look too far lookfar. Crikey, what an imagination.LOL
Jannie
5th Nov 2018
3:42pm
Pie in the sky and pigs might fly. All BS. The ones in power do not have a clue what is going on in the suburbs, they are not exposed to reality and cannot see the big picture for the future of Australia.
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:34pm
Yes - all the high class suburbs need to be turned into high rise for refugees ......... all paid for out of rates money...
Mike Omment
5th Nov 2018
5:05pm
Well done O G you really whipped the lefties into a frenzy this time ...........they just keep biting
TREBOR
5th Nov 2018
5:11pm
uni holidays started? Lots of new faces today..... all spitting the same bulldust line...

Jesus - that's all we need - a free range of those who know everything......
Misty
5th Nov 2018
5:19pm
Or think they do.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:51pm
I know nothing but I live well on less than Newstart.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:50am
Like the politician who claims to live well on less than Newstart but owns 6 houses. The problem with you over-paid silver-spooner morons, OG, is that you have such obscene wealth that you don't even know how much you spend on what. The coffers keep swelling through all the theft and corruption, so you IMAGINE you aren't spending, but in reality its running out as fast as water over Niagara Falls. It's just that your dishonesty keeps it running in even faster. You wouldn't have the tiniest inkling what it actually costs to live when you have to pay your own way honestly.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:26am
OGR I know exactly how much we spend last year. The two of us spend a total of $22512 last year. That's $216.00 each a week. I can't see us spending any more this year either.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:18am
But you have to ADD the true value of every benefit, freebie and concession you received, OG. Electricity, rent, firewood, trips to the Gold Coast, medical treatment, food hampers - ALL of that has to be added to your expenditure to get anywhere near a valid figure. You are just like the stinking overpaid overprivileged politicians who lie for convenience. Selfish, self-serving, greedy, and total dishonest.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:44pm
No I don't as they have no real value.

I may have done a lot of things but being a pollie was not one of them. I couldn't stay still long enough to sit in parliament all day.
Lothario
6th Nov 2018
3:48pm
OG - is that for a couple ? If so, that's pretty darn good.

If I were you I'd spend your savings and go on the full pension, You'd still save a third of the pension
Mad as hell
5th Nov 2018
6:50pm
Scooter hasn’t promised anything. “If” I had the money I would give it to the pensioners.

He’s very quiet on the corporate tax cuts.

Guess the Newstarts will be on a winner with the trickle down economics.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:53pm
Scomo is very quite on everything and has promised nothing unlike the other lot who have promised the earth and the moon. It will be the sun next or is it that the sun should shine out of their posteriors.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
3:56am
Hasn't promised anything, but certainly showed us who this ''Christian'' really is - a mean spirited, nasty hypocrite with no empathy, no decency, no respect for others, and not an inkling of an idea how to manage an economy, let alone a society.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:44am
OGR cant say I have seen or heard of any of that so you must be dreaming.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:05am
You are blind as well as stupid then, OG
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:50pm
I certainly don't wear rose coloured glasses.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:09pm
No, OG. You just fly about with fairies and pink elephants in la la land and imagine the most insane rubbish conceivable and think it's fact.
OnlyGenuineRainey
5th Nov 2018
7:55pm
Not so long ago, Sco-Mo and his mates were claiming the assets test change would benefit needier aged pensioners. Well, he didn't give the needy as SINGLE LOUSY CENT. He gave a $30 increase to folk with a few hundred grand in the bank, but NOTHING to those in most need. So somehow I don't think we can trust this promise any more than the smart among us trusted the last.
Old Geezer
5th Nov 2018
9:54pm
He just saw they already had more than enough and realised that enough was never enough for them.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:08am
Like you, OG, he was deluded by his excessive privilege into believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden and he acted on stupid notions that have no validity whatever. You and he should both toddle off back to la la land and stop stuffing up the real world with your idiotic fantasies and callous lies.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:28am
Figures from Centrelink show that pensioners assets were increasing not decreasing which told them that pensioners were living very well on the pension and even saving some. So it was a good move to change the asset test.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:10am
Those figures are AVERAGES. They are totally meaningless, OG. They DO NOT justify taking money off some pensioners to give it to others who are, in many cases, better off, and certainly on higher incomes. Only a bat-eyed idiot endorses that kind of unfairness and stupidity.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:35am
Pensioner assets NEED to increase for younger pensioners so they have savings for health and personal care and home help later, and for aged care, and to endure inflationary pressures. Many might move into self-funding if supported adequately in the early years of retirement. That was my plan - if I had been ATTACKED and DEFRAUDED. And the government would have saved a lot of money.

A treasurer with a brain would have at least linked the assets test to age, recognising that having $800,000 to last 30 years is NOT wealthy, but a 90-year-old is wealthy with much less than that.

But moronic idiots who can't think past a few meaningless numbers are running the country and moronic idiots who can't think past ''take everything away from everyone else and only let the privileged have it'' support their stupidity. Sad that you are so dense, OG. But even sadder that you are such a miserable tasty individual.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:26pm
If OAPs don't start reducing their capital they will tighten the OAP again too.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:08pm
No doubt, since the government is run by blithering idiots infected with the greed disease and too stupid to see past the noses that are buried in the trough. Younger OAP NEED to increase their capital, otherwise they won't have enough for later in life. But morons with mulit-million dollar bank balances and huge pensions are too dense to get that and too selfish to care. And that includes morons like you, OG.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
6:47pm
They have also worked out the average worth of a person over 65 is now $1.3 million so it wont be long before OAPs will get a debt of the amount of pension they have received on their estate.
Lothario
6th Nov 2018
6:51pm
That makes sense Old Geezer
If you ask for welfare because you dont want to move out of your multimillion dollar home to something more modest, then you SHOULD pay it back through your estate

Also the government should have a mortgage over your home before handing out any welfare. Otherwise some rorters will sell their homes or transfer to their kids once they've racked up a tidy sum in pension debt
Misty
6th Nov 2018
8:09pm
I can tell you now Lothario any party coming up with that idea will never get elected, just like that stupid split election idea floated today.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:44am
And which moronic idiot decided $1.3 million was a lot to last through maybe 30 years of inflation? And how much is the average worker worth today, given that the average wage is in the vicinity of $80,000 a year and most families have TWO wages coming in?

I ran a calculation on $800,000 in super and it revealed it would not last 20 years. And that's assuming inflation stays at current low rates and doesn't run away like it has in some past periods.

Our generation PAID for our OAP through taxes. Sad that some of the younger generation, who are enjoying a far cosier ride than we did, are so bloody selfish. But then, it's the overpaid politicians and fat cat bureaucrats who are pushing to take our houses, isn't it. Nothing is ever enough for the overfed greedy rich.
Misty
7th Nov 2018
9:52am
Just ignore OG'S comments OGR, i have come to the conclusion he is only putting this rubbish on here to annoy people and is probably just sitting back laughing at how he is getting everyone riled up at his comments, none of which can be believed.
Old Geezer
8th Nov 2018
1:29pm
Misty what if I am right?
GrayComputing
5th Nov 2018
8:08pm
I suspect the PM hopes we all die earlier then later.
>>>>
NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
A pension is not welfare.

Now is the season for discontent, so do something about it!
It is time to kill off this insane hugely expensive pensioner whacking bureaucracy.

It is time for all of us (yes that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
A pension is not welfare.

Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

We all (that means you) need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.
inextratime
5th Nov 2018
11:16pm
OG - The epitome of a WUM first class. No empathy for the less fortunate, he has to join in the forum somehow so throws a couple of grenades, then sits back and watches the 'fun' begin. And to think I'm wasting energy typing this.
Dermot
6th Nov 2018
1:46am
Does anyone really believe anything that scummo says? The guy is an absolute wanker!
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:10am
Almost as big a wanker as his paid mouthpiece, OG. Though I reckon even ScoMo would struggle to match OG in the lying department.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:08am
OGR Love it. However I'm not one for porkies myself but I have doubts about another person.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:00am
Your lies are self-evident, OG. All over this forum. Maybe your brain malfunction is so bad that you can't determine truth?
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:31pm
OGR I know nothing but the truth but can't say the same about others.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:33am
In your serious delusional state, I believe you actually are DELUDED enough to believe that. But folk who tell the truth don't contradict themselves every time they open their mouths. You need to shut up if you want people to think you are honest. because the evidence speaks for itself.
Joy Anne
6th Nov 2018
7:54am
They could afford increases in Newstart and Aged Pensions IF POLITICIANS stopped THEIR LIFETIME PENSION AND PERKS which the people never voted for them. POLITICIANS should have to line up at Centrelink like us all and be asset tested like us all. POLITICIANS should not also be able to take at 60 same as pensioners.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:06am
It would only add a cent or two to the age pension or Newstart as there are so many on welfare now so not worth even worrying about.
musicveg
7th Nov 2018
1:07am
I agree with you Joy Anne, OG you are wrong, you need to do your maths better than that.
Geminiwoman
6th Nov 2018
10:31am
I am an aged pensioner and I have a son currently on Newstart. The fact is that neither is enough to live on and both need to be increased. Yes, I am well aware that there are a lot of "dole bludgers" out there, but there needs to be more investigation into long term Newstart recipients and a good old fashioned cull of those not genuinely looking for work. Those who are genuine need to be able to live just like everyone else and the current Newstart payment is ridiculously below the poverty line. The aged pension is below the poverty line and Newstart is way, way below that.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
10:43am
When you think about it this is a clever move the Liberals in that Labor has upset the OAPs by saying it is going to increase Newstart.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
10:54am
I don't think Labor upset many OAPs at all, OG. I think most OAPs are very compassionate and realistic and recognize that Newstart is inadequate. Many OAPs are very concerned for older Australians forced onto Newstart. There is an issue with younger folk who don't make sufficient effort, but that's a very complex area and the solution absolutely IS NOT to grind people into poverty.

Unlike you, I think most OAPs want a healthy society in which everyone gets a fair go. And they KNOW that if taxes were levied responsibly and the budget was managed properly there would be plenty of money in the coffers to give everyone a fair go. We might find a few selfish, self-opinionated SFRs here who don't support raising Newstart, but they probably wouldn't approve of an OAP increase either - especially if they have only modest assets and income. I think most OAPs want welfare payments across the board to keep up with the cost of living, and as much as they may NEED a pension increase, they recognize that Newstart recipients are in more urgent need.

Anyway, Labor's popularity is continuing to rise and the LNP is increasingly losing support, so I guess that proves which party is getting it right in terms of appealing to voters.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
10:56am
Besides, ScoMo has no credibility. The LNP lied about not cutting pensions. Who in their right mind would believe they would ever want to now increase them?
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:23pm
That's not what social media is saying at all OGR. OAPs are very upset with Labor about increasing Newstart and not the OAP.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:05pm
If you are paying attention to OAPs on social media, no wonder you are so misled. You poor pathetic idiot!
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
4:31pm
Well they don't tell the truth anywhere else.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
11:40am
So OIG claims he could live on Newstart, but now admits he needs $50,000+++ a year to get by, since despite FREE food, electricity, firewood, rent, medical, pharmaceutical, car registration, and Gold Coast holidays - oh and coffee - plus discounts on everything he buys, and a 27c per litre discount on petrol, he STILL needs over $22,500 a year to cover his living costs.

I reckon he'd be flat out living on less than $50,000, and maybe need a lot more, if he had to get by with the minimal concessions and benefits Newstart battlers get. And then he'd need more to cover the cost of job searching and clothes for interviews also.

Of course Newstart recipients can get free coffee at Maccas, if they can afford to get there, and if they are willing to pollute their bodies with dish swill.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:22pm
OGR Rubbish!

The two of us spent $22512 last year which is less than half your $50,000. I am not on Newstart but I live on less than Newstart by choice simply because I don't need to spend any more money to live well. I can't understand why people have so much trouble living on the OAP as it is a lot more than Newstart.

How many times to I have to repeat it.

Yes I get lots of discounts and why shouldn't I? I get nothing more than others can get if they do the research.

Your jealousy really astounds me.
inextratime
6th Nov 2018
2:42pm
But not people want to live in a caravan in whoop whoop OG.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
3:20pm
Ha ha I only sometimes live in my caravan in whoop whoop. Today I am back in my house with more bedrooms and bathrooms than I can count as it's too hot in whoop whoop at present.
OnlyGenuineRainey
6th Nov 2018
4:02pm
OG, you are NOT living on $22512. You are spending that much in CASH to top up the benefits - all the freebies and concessions. When you count those, you are living on $50,000+. NEWSTART BATTLERS DON'T GET ALL THAT FREE STUFF, so they need more cash. Only a brainless turd argues with that after bragging about all the free gifts.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
4:30pm
OGR if I was on Newstart then I would still spend $22512 so I am comparing apples with apples. You are comparing apples with oranges.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Nov 2018
7:31am
No, OG. If you were on Newstart, you wouldn't have solar or free rent or free firewood. The people you are bullying don't have those privileges. Nor can they get 27c of their fuel costs. I am being realistic. You are being a STINKING VILE MEAN GREEDY LIAR, condemning good people to hardship and misery because they haven't had the opportunities you had.
Old Geezer
6th Nov 2018
12:14pm
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Franking credit refunds hot topic at high-level summit

By Chief Advocate Ian Henschke
Earlier this week I was a panellist at a major retirement summit in Sydney where 130 attendees, mostly self-funded retirees, dissected Labor’s policy that could result in retirement income being slashed through the removal of franking credit refunds.
NSA Chair Chris Guille, Deputy Chair Ross Glossop, Director Valerie Pratt and National Council Member Robert Frith were also at the event hosted by the Alliance for a Fairer Retirement.
Speakers included academics, financial planners and economists. Respected Australian National University researcher Associate Professor Geoff Warren outlined his modelling of the policy and showed retirement savings would fall by an average of 8-9 per cent.
Keynote speaker Assistant Treasurer Stuart Robert said: “The critical point is that more than 45 percent of the 900,000 people (who would be) affected are 65 years or older.”
Unfortunately, no-one from Labor attended despite repeated invitations. Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen has said he will not revisit this policy before the election, although it has had one major adjustment since being announced - pensioners who own shares won’t lose their franking credits.
A highlight was the address by veteran journalist and founder of Business Review Weekly, Robert Gottliebsen, who stressed the unfairness of the policy.
To demonstrate this unfairness, he compared two retirees with the same financial situation and roughly the same investment portfolios. One has shares in an industry super fund and the other doesn’t, and under the Labor policy they will be treated differently. The one with shares in the industry fund will get their franking credits and the one who has shares in their own name or a self-managed fund won’t.
Mr Gottliebsen said the policy also failed to do what it promised: to raise money from rich people.
“The rich will still get their franking credits and so will the pensioners. It will be the million-plus people in the middle who will be worse off,” he said.
Perhaps one of the biggest surprises was Mr Gottliebsen’s prediction that the federal government would go to a half-senate election in May 2019, followed by the House of Representatives election in November. The reason?
“This franking credit issue needs time to be explained and when understood could be the biggest issue the election is won or lost on because it affects so many voters and their families.”
Chair of the Parliamentary Inquiry into franking credits, Tim Wilson MP, also spoke and raised the question: “Why bother saving if you are no better off?”. He said we needed comprehensive tax reform and this was lazy policy.
In all, it was an enlightening and valuable exchange of views and information about this important issue.
To find out more and how you can be part of our campaign, make a submission or tell your story, click here.
musicveg
6th Nov 2018
3:15pm
Here we go again, same old story, promises which will only amount to very little increase if at all, raising the pension age to 70 so more people living on Newstart, yeah that solves nothing. Those stuck on Newstart at such a late age in life are living it really tough. Not everyone owns their own home, and rent assistance does not go far, I would go on but we have discussed this many times and hear the same things from the same people posting comments here.
Mamacrystal
7th Nov 2018
10:55am
I don't know why any of you bother to answer/interact with an Internet Troll like Old Geezer (probably in the service of a particular political party).
If everyone ignored his bait he'd soon stop posting or else post to himself and reply to himself,
DON'T allow yourself to be baited no matter how outrageous he becomes!
Misty
8th Nov 2018
12:43am
I think everyone has OG'S measure by now Mamacrystal.
PlanB
8th Nov 2018
8:31am
I agree Mamacrystal, best to ignore such an ill-informed nasty piece of work
Old Geezer
8th Nov 2018
1:20pm
ROFL
eggles01
8th Nov 2018
3:27am
I agree that the newstart should be raised up to %75 of the pension but only to those that does 'Work for the Dole"for at least 5 days of the fortnight and if they do not turn up the extra payment drops off and its back to the present amount,to raise the dole for a "lot" not all of the recipients the money would just go into booze and drugs,and then the visits to the vinnies,the salvos and the smith family,maybe the government should bring back the old ration book instead of money for those dole bludgers that would not accept the work for the dole conditions.!!
Misty
8th Nov 2018
8:25am
If people do not accept "Work for the dole" then I agree, the ration book system should perhaps be an option.
Old Geezer
8th Nov 2018
1:21pm
If Newstart is raised people will just live on it instead of getting jobs. I can live on it now myself which means others can too.
musicveg
8th Nov 2018
1:26pm
So narrow minded, majority of unemployed do not consume "booze and drugs" as you call it, most are desperate people seeking work and living below the poverty line trying to find work whilst trying to feed,clothe, and pay for energy, internet and rent, never mind the costs involved looking for work. It is attitudes like this not helping the genuine job seekers and the many older unemployed over 50 who cannot get a pension for years to come and more than not get a job. Many of these older unemployed already do voluntary work to meet their job seeking requirements and now you want everyone to work as slave labour. Work for the dole is the biggest scam ever, if the jobs are there give them real paying jobs. And how the hell do they find time to look for work if they are "working for the dole"? "Dole bludgers" as you call them are a minority and I wish people would not put everyone in the same basket, it is so cruel and uncaring.
And who do you think is going to run the "ration book system" you mention?
The charity organizations also are fed up with having to make ends meet for thousands of desperate people struggling on Newstart, because the Government has not increased it for 25 years whilst cost of living has risen dramatically, and they can hardly keep up with the demand.
And you wonder why crime rate has risen, along with medication for depression.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Nov 2018
1:53pm
I agree, Musicveg. Obviously OG and others have had it way too easy and have no compassion, much less understanding of the obstacles the less privileged face. Newstart needs to be indexed same as the pension. People can't dig themselves out of hardship when they are being pushed further and further into poverty.

As for OG and his BLATANT LIES... he is SCUM to make such false claims. He's been boasting for months about paying no rent, no electricity, nothing for firewood for heating, cheap petrol, free medical, getting free holidays, and stealing food hampers from the needy... and now he wants us to believe he lives on the equivalent of Newstart. He is just a pathological LIAR, and the worst kind, because he lies to denigrate people who are suffering hardship and to lobby to make their lives worse.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Nov 2018
5:25pm
It's no wonder some folk don't want to work and pay taxes when society treats them so badly. It's a well-known fact that when you label people, they become the person they are labelled. You brand them lazy and unwilling to work, and punish them by grinding them into poverty, they quickly lose hope and trust in society and decide there is no point trying. If only we could recognize that most of the unemployed are just desperate for a hand up - NOT a hand out - and help them build confidence, trust, and hope, we might find they show far more initiative and willingness to strive.

It's so easy for the more fortunate to slander those who are struggling and condemn them to hardship, but ultimately it's just pure GREED. They don't want to pay their share of tax so they turn on those who CAN'T pay their way and blame them for all the problems that greedy capitalist society has created. Nothing will ever be enough for the rich. There is enough wealth in the world to easily eliminate poverty completely, but it's all hoarded by the wealthy. They have absolutely no use for it, but they just want more and more and more and more. It seems they don't care a jot that children are starving to death in some places. As long as they can keep loading their coffers with gold, they are content.
musicveg
8th Nov 2018
6:02pm
So true OGR, the world could so easily be a better place if everyone did not want to be rich. Because people worship those that are rich ie; celebrities etc. we all want the same thinking that is the only way to be happy, so those who don't get it are feeling hopeless and worthless, and look for ways to make themselves feel better. Greed is spreading so much with so much stealing going on from those who feel they don't have enough, and like you say some who have already too much still want more, even at the cost of suffering of others and the destruction of the environment.
Lothario
8th Nov 2018
6:05pm
Musicveg, if you want to know who is greedy just ask Bill Shorten

Hios franking credit policy is sold to pensioners and part pensioners by appealing to their greed and envy
Misty
8th Nov 2018
8:21pm
What a stupid remark Lothario, you cannot generalise about people like that, labelling pensioners and part pensioners greedy and envious, what evidence do you have to back up that statement or are you just like OG, making outlandish comments but never backing them up with evidence.
Lothario
8th Nov 2018
8:27pm
Elementary my dear Misty. Who is Shorten's franking credit policy aimed at ?

Certainly not those he is stealing money from

Who supports Shorten's franking credit policy.
Again certainly not those he is stealing from

Who is Shorten proving exemptions for ? Those who screamed blue murder - the pensioners, but then went all silent when he promised an exemption

Stop playing Misty for those who seek to tell the truth
Misty
8th Nov 2018
8:44pm
How do you know pensioners support Labor's franking credit policy Lothario?, and how do you know pensioners have not rang and written their local Labor MP to complain about the unfairness of the Labor proposed policy, where is your evidence Lothario, the few commenting on here?, I don't think so.
OnlyGenuineRainey
9th Nov 2018
7:46am
I know because I read, talk to pensioners, and hear the responses given in public interviews, Misty. And we know by the increased support for the ALP since the policy announcement.

I'm sure a few have objected, but clearly the ALP is being supported strongly by SOMEONE, and it's not those who are being threatened with unfair taxation that will wipe out up to 30% of their income. Nor is it businesses, who want the option to grow by attracting share investment. I doubt it's the wealthier investors, who are more indulged typically by the LNP.

Shorten KNOWS pensioners are a powerful lobby group and selfish. Otherwise, he would not have made exceptions for them. He sure didn't do it out of a desire to be charitable, otherwise he would FIX THE PENSION SYSTEM so it was fair, rather than causing major hurt to people who tried to be self-sufficient for as long as possible.
OnlyGenuineRainey
9th Nov 2018
7:48am
And Misty, I don't agree with generalising either, but there's an awful lot of pensioners out there generalising with an invalid ASSUMPTION that everyone who will be hurt by Shorten is wealthy or ''has too much'', and Shorten and his crew themselves have generalised, lying to claim only the wealthy will lose under their policy. Generalisation is the way of the world, sadly. And it's a substantial cause of social and economic problems.
eggles01
8th Nov 2018
6:56pm
I forgot to mention in my previous comment that I am on the Disability pension and have been on it since 1991 and I was placed on it by GOVERNMENT DOCTORS,I find the pension quite adequate to live on,my rent is $344 per fortnight I am paying back the Centrelink advance loan $99 p/f also $50 off a car loan p/f and $30 p/f off a nils loan,my other income amounts to an average of 43c per year from my only bank account,I prepay both of my utilities (gas and electricity)via Centrepay I gave up heavy drinking in 1979 and smoking in 1983,I will also add a pack of Winfield then cost 0.99c a pack when I gave it up if I purchased a carton of 10 packets they cost $8.90 ctn,I have recently turned 76yrs and going pretty good considering I had 3 heart attacks in 4 months in 2007,life is what you make it learn to live with what you have and maybe less than what you want if you do not you may not live long enough to appreciate what you have!!
musicveg
8th Nov 2018
7:00pm
You are lucky to get disability pension, many now who are applying are being rejected, you have to be half dead before they will give it to you now.
Lothario
8th Nov 2018
7:03pm
eggles01 - honest accounts from people like yourselves is such breath of fresh air and heartwarming

You are a shining example to how everyone should learn to live within their means and appreciate what the have, instead of demanding more welfare and wanting to take off others

It is unfortunate that politicians like Shorten play their dirty games, stoking the fire of greed and envy in his base to win votes
Ray
8th Nov 2018
9:27pm
Olbaid (aka Lothario), just heard on the Buddha grapevine, they can't reincarnate you any more.
Adrianus
9th Nov 2018
9:27am
I suppose if the Greens had their way, the Newstart Allowance would be doubled and everyone would get it.
eggles01
9th Nov 2018
5:28pm
HEY MUSIC VEG WOULD YOU SHOW OR DIRECT ME TO WHERE I SAID ""THE MAJORITY"" I SAID ""A LOT NOT ALL""WHEN TAKING A SHOT OF MY COMMENT READ WHAT MY COMMENT SAYS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO READ INTO IT""
eggles01
9th Nov 2018
5:52pm
ALSO MUSICVEG YOU ALSO MISSED THAT I AGREED THAT THE NEWSTART SHOULD BE INCREASED,BUT ONLY IF THE RECIPIENTS SHOW SOME PROOF OF THEM WANTING TO WORK,THOSE THAT DO NOT SHOW ANY "WANT TO"GET NO INCREASE AND SO MUCH OF THEIR PAYMENT IS PAID DIRECT TO WHAT EVER THEIR LIFE NECESSARIES ARE
Mamacrystal
10th Nov 2018
4:14pm
Hey Eggles 01.....Take your caps lock off....couldn't read your comments....sorry.....gave me a headache.
It is usually taken that using Caps Lock is shouting!
Lookfar
12th Nov 2018
12:08pm
Eggles, it sounds like you are getting into the 'Beat The Unemployed' syndrome, in 2019, Australia is expected to increase growth to 3.5%, so then unemployment will be 5%.
When will you blamers ever understand that the Govt. target is 5%? - if it went down to 2% they would sharply increase Interest rates, which would slow economic growth, and bring unemployment back to 5% again, for fear of inflation, amongst other things.
High interest rates would hurt most pensioners, particularly anyone paying off debt, and would increase prices, as most businesses are in debt.
It would not help many pensioners, even those with money, as they usually have it in Super or shares etc.
So be careful what you wish for or is it just that you are so neurotic you are always looking for a dog, or someone else, to kick? - if so you are sad and sick, and old enough and have gone through enough to know better.
Think about it, please!
Adrianus
11th Nov 2018
9:40am
I'm not a big fan of an increase to Newstart, but I do think it should be at the same level as the refugee allowance.
professori_au
11th Nov 2018
10:58am
Morrison did not say pensioners would get an increase. He said he would rather give one to pensioners than those on unemployment. I see no difference in this self righteous man's past and the potential present. He will only make decisiosn that will hopefully for him keep him in a position of power. He has no interest or compassion for ordinary folk, only the rich and powerful who can benefit his ambitions
Ducky
11th Nov 2018
1:00pm
Increase the newstart so these people can get jobs therefore will be paying taxes.
ex PS
12th Nov 2018
8:44am
Well said, it has been recently established ( Like we didn't already know) older people need less to live on. An increase should go to those on NewStart, with the the proviso that it be decreased every year that it is being paid to the individual, just to encourage them to seek employment.
Good to see the Right sticking to tradition, suck the goodness out of the voter for three years so that they can use the money gained the way it should be, to buy votes.
Misty
12th Nov 2018
9:14am
Do not agree that you can generalise about what older people need, I find I am spending more on health now then I did years ago, helping out family members and living costs have skyrocketed in the country, but I do agree that New Start needs to be increased.
johnp
12th Nov 2018
8:28am
A main problem is excessive pensions to ex pollies and salaries to the existing ones. It creates resentment, aspiration to what they receive all over and continuous upward pressure from all others to receive similar thus making it much more difficult to balance budgets
disillusioned
13th Nov 2018
6:41pm
Well, if the LNP stopped handing out half a billion dollars to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation who didn't even ask for it, they might be able to fund an increase in both the Age Pension and Newstart. AND if the pollies stop claiming huge travel and other expenses and got their snouts out of the Public Purse, there might even be more funding available to those who need it more.
WHOCARES
16th Nov 2018
1:50am
Funny how government scum laugh while you all fight over pittance, meanwhile those dole blugging government extortionist criminals, are raking in the dollars left, right & center with all the problems they purposely create. Without the problems they do not have their fake jobs - so why not create problems and fake laws they have no right to create over any other human being, to get away with the crimes that they commit. They are doing 2 years worth of poor quality work and getting pensions each year, worth more then your entire lifetime pension or crappy newstart. Oh and their enforcement that costs money to struggling people almost homeless with this rort, are making it harder then should be. Imagine being on newstart being forced to look for a job that isn't there, or lose the only income you have to eat. Yeah ""sure they want it good"" for us all the scumbag criminals. Newstart is even below the wage before getting taxed. That is how low that rubbish is and for single people who don't want to be tangled up with another, due to the extortion government commit, if you decide you can not be together anymore, especially when children are involved. The only thing government do is make up lies, use our money to do that without recourse, due to us not being able to afford to defend against it in their so-called law system - not ours, never asked, remember that, live on luxuries at our expense, while we all suffer, argue, and the like, only to be accused of everything our piece of garbage government are doing freely the narcissists. The person who said 2 hundred odd per week each ='s 22 thou. For a start a very low rent; now of $250 per week destroys that analogy. One person does not have a chance and if you are being so-called legit, you as a couple would be earning less as a couple then 2 singles together. Also do not go on with the share crap because who are you to tell people to share, while government dole bluggers do as they please, murder, thieve, do drugs, commit extortion, child abuse and on it goes, while laying blame on the most vulnerable because of the corrupt system they have created. People like me know that the only way out is to enforcefully remove the scum as they would do to us. They call it Terrorism. I call it THIS IS NOT THEIR EARTH AND I AM NOT THEIR PROPERTY. THEY CREATED A FAKE PIECE OF PLASTIC PAPER THAT IS TO CONTROL. THEY ARE THE CRIMINALS AND NEED JAILING FOR THEIR CRIMES. So stop with all the lies and acknowledge the real crooks in all of this earning more then 30 people on Newstart after only working for 2 poor quality years that any of us would have been sacked for and only earnt a 10th or less of their income each year. Not to mention all the underhand taking they beleive all of us think they do not do. AS IF. They are criminals raking it in and making the laws to get awy with what they are doing; meanwhile their are fights over a measely 20 k per year. We might as well all be dead then living on a prison planet subject to every enforcement some other scumbag human being thinks they have a right to do. Why bother feeding these leeches. SCUM
musicveg
16th Nov 2018
2:20am
Good to read someone else can read between the lines, and see how politicians are ripping off Australians.The world system is unfair and has been since the days of lords and peasants.


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