19th Jun 2014
PM writes pensioners a letter
Author: Kaye Fallick
PM writes pensioners a letter

Despite the plans to cut Australia Post snail mail deliveries from five days a week to three, it is reported that the Federal Government will post a personally addressed letter to 2.4 million age pensioners, in an attempt to explain changes to the pension post Budget 2014. The report, published in yesterday’s Courier Mail, appears to be in response to Abbott Government ministers’ concerns about a budget backlash, in particular from older Australians who believe they are losing entitlements.

Such sentiments appear to support the notion that Budget 2014 has been poorly sold to the electorate and that age pensioners, in particular, are being asked to do more than their fair share of the ‘lifting’. The letter, however, will be sent from the Government agency, Centrelink, which manages all pension payments, leading to claims that this is actually Government advertising, disguised as a release of vital information. The Courier Mail quoted Opposition Leader Bill Shorten as saying that such a mailout “would be nothing more than an advertising campaign.”

The newspaper also quoted Human Services Minister Marise Payne as claiming that the Labor Party had “misled” age pensioners on this issue.

Read more at News.com.au

Opinion: Lipstick on a pig?

Since 13 May the debate on entitlement and pensions has heated up. But surely the only question that matters is whether Australian age pensioners are better or worse off?

It’s been more than a month since Budget 2014 was handed down. So it’s time to let the facts get in the way of the good ‘story’, be that spin from the Government, the Opposition, or any other vested interests. On 14 May, YOURLifeChoices website reported on the wins and losses. A brief summary can be found here.

And an even briefer summary is this. Assuming the Budget initiatives pass both houses, pensioners will be worse off, in the first instance from early legislation introducing a Medicare co-payment in 2015 and a fuel tax late 2014. Other changes in 2015 will affect PBS subsidies. Changes to the deeming rate (scheduled for 2017) will further disadvantage those on the Age Pension, as will planned changes to pension indexation (also scheduled for 2017) which will reduce increases. Those who are self-funded and currently qualify for a Commonwealth Seniors Health Card (CSHC) will lose the $876 Seniors Supplement from July 2014 onwards.

So it is difficult to sustain the argument that older Australians will NOT be worse off. They will, starting July this year. The letter sent with Centrelink letterhead will most probably address other budget initiatives including the move of the Age Pension age to 70, between 2025 and 2035 – a long-term change in anyone’s language. Will this clarification be enough to calm fears of senior Australians already living under the poverty line? I doubt it. Budget 2014 delivered cuts to many sectors, but in particular to those relying on welfare payments.

As some sage once said, you cannot put lipstick on a pig, and the proposed snail mail explanation from Centrelink smacks of just that.

What do you think? Will you be worse off from proposed Budget changes? Is a personally addressed letter a good way of explaining the above changes? Or is it a waste of money? Even worse, a classic case of lipstick on a porky?





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    LENYJAC
    19th Jun 2014
    9:17am
    WASTE OF MONEY BETTER OFF WITHOUT
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:23am
    Without WHAT ?? I've got nothing left to Live without ??
    LENYJAC
    19th Jun 2014
    10:13am
    WITHOUT THIS PIECE OF CRAP MAIL.......
    Grateful
    19th Jun 2014
    11:41am
    Absolute waste of OUR money!!! And the arrogance of it, the Budget hasn't even got passed yet and most of it probably won't. Typical barracuda smile arrogance.

    And this at the same time that we are being told that 9, yes, just 9 Australian's, have assets greater than 60%, the lower economical group, in Australia!!!!!
    $58 Billion!!!
    Abbott doesn't write to them, he cavorts around the world with them in 5 star accommodation and restaurants!!!
    Nightshade
    19th Jun 2014
    12:06pm
    LAST WEEK I HAD SOME MAN TRYING TO GIVE ME STUFF FOR FREE
    FROM THE GOVERNMENT
    SOMETHING FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR TO STOP THE DRAFT
    A CALCULATOR OF SOME SORT TO TELL ME HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY I USE & SOME OTHER THING
    " I refused them " - " No than you "

    With all the cash / insulation bats / power board for the TV / FREE TV SETS / FREE SET TOP BOXES / this other stuff -
    WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED - EITHER FOR FREE OR FOR VERY LOW REPAYMENT - LONG TERM
    WAS THAT EVERY HOUSEHOLD WAS SET UP WITH A COMPUTER SYSTEM & HOOKED UP TO THE INTERNET + AN EASY HOW TO USE YOUR COMPUTER LEARNING PROGRAM ON LINE / IN LANGUAGES.
    IT WOULD NOT HAVE COST MUCH CONSIDERING ALL THE USELESS GADGETS THEY ARE TRYING TO THROW AT US.
    in my short street I would say that only 50% of the houses are on line - if that.
    i have not turned my old TV set on for at least 6 months but even longer.
    I watch what I want on the computer.
    Aurora60
    19th Jun 2014
    12:37pm
    Is Nightshade aware that typing in CAPS is considered shouting?
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    12:39pm
    Did you know every MP gets a mailing allowance which is thousands of dollars? Those who don't buy stamps just put the money in their pocket.
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    9:18am
    For goodness sake! Can't you wait until a letter is actually sent/received before soliciting comments on something that no-one knows anything about. Until we know what the letter (if there is one) contains please stop inciting anxiety over something that may not happen.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:25am
    With a Full Arm Salute !!
    Jen
    19th Jun 2014
    9:36am
    I already know what it's about KSS. Propaganda. Bill Shorten's right.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:39am
    A letter from Tokyo Rose coming Soon !!
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:30am
    Heil Abbott! Goose stepping his way around the world with his ongoing gaffes and embarrassing comments. Why don't you take off your blinkers and look at the real world KSS?
    Wstaton
    19th Jun 2014
    10:31am
    This letter will probably be filled full of lies just like their electoral promises.

    The change to the pension may not be immediate but will be felt in future years.

    Just think also of the people just entering the pension in a few years time the pension they will start with will be much less than that if the current way to adjust pensions is kept.

    I think that the LNP has just woken up to the fact that pensioners are going to be a force to reckon with. Lets face it they have stated that there are more of them so the percentage of the voting population is increasing. Much the same as the under 30's who are also being slam banged. Not a very big percentage between those two groups.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:01am
    KSS: the writing is already on the wall for this government. Read my response below and leave a comment.
    Paddles
    19th Jun 2014
    11:01am
    Jen

    Is Bill Shorten also right in his assertion that the Royal Commission into union corruption is a witch hunt, instigated by an uncaring government on his lily-white union buddies??

    Only the most one-eyed, rusted-on Labor supporter could accord this little (in every sense of the word) man, credibility. Personally, I hope that they retain him as "leader" for at least this term but I have my doubts.
    Nightshade
    19th Jun 2014
    11:13am
    KSS - it is a tree cut down before we even receive it.
    Grateful
    19th Jun 2014
    11:42am
    For goodness sake KSS!! Can't he at least wait until the Budget is passed???
    No, because it won't happen. Imagine having Clive Palmer as the hero of the Aged??
    Misty
    19th Jun 2014
    11:57am
    KSS anyone who listened on budget night would know the main points and Tony Abbott's letter is a waste of time and money, this budget will never get passed anyway, not the way it is now.
    Misty
    19th Jun 2014
    11:57am
    KSS anyone who listened on budget night would know the main points and Tony Abbott's letter is a waste of time and money, this budget will never get passed anyway, not the way it is now.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    12:22pm
    Nah - crucify 'em on suspicion... that's the kind of rules they brought in for everyone else.... at State and Federal level.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:21pm
    Our Postie rides into our little street to a chorus of barking growling mongrel dogs whose owners are too busy working to feed them. When is this letter arriving? because I don't want to witness the carnage when the pensioners are let loose.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:26pm
    Good lord! some of the pensioners on here are frothing at the mouth. This is absurd! and they haven't even read the letter. Good work Kaye! I haven't seen anything like this.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    2:33pm
    Frank go to the commentary by Kaye Fallick where she indicates you read News.com.au etc.
    See my comments below also.
    This letter is being suggested by politicians to be sent out by Centrelink as they consider Centrelink to be more credible to explain to pensioners the budget ramifications to them.
    Oars
    19th Jun 2014
    6:34pm
    So Wstaton do you think that the ones that are hard done by are going to dominate the rest of Oz. If so I can foresee total anarchy- with little money from employment. We may become another dissident European mob who hate work but like throwing "cocktails" around the streets. Is THAT what you want ?
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    9:57am
    Paddles: Shorten is trying to weaken the control of the unions in the Labor Party. And now he is being pursued by the unions. I wonder why? Could it be that they want him gone so that they can retain their power?
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    1:17pm
    mick, your mate Dick is in a lot of trouble. He won't last this term of government. Do the letters RC mean anything to you?
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:19am
    Save the Million Bucks Postage !! I will only use My letter for Kindling to light the Coffee Table to keep Warm !!
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:32am
    Good use of the paper, but I think pensioners should band together and post the letter back to Abbott with pertinent comments added.
    Nightshade
    19th Jun 2014
    11:17am
    DAILY MAIL UK - article last week - THE BRIT'S DON'T HAVE RECYCLE BINS - THEY ARE PLANNING ON INTRODUCING THEM SOON - THEY ARE NOT SURE IF IT WILL WORK ?/!
    I TOLD THEM ABOUT US - WE AUSSIES ARE GOOD IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS / PROGRESSIVE / MOST OF US THAT IS - THERE ARE SOME - I'M NOR GUNNA SAY WHO - BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHO !
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:33pm
    particolor I got one of these. The Paper Brick Maker recycles waste paper and cardboard into combustible bricks that can be used in place of firewood. They said they ran out today I got the last one.
    Foxy
    19th Jun 2014
    2:21pm
    Hey Ruthie - what a cool idea of yours! Love it! :-)
    Still as funny as ever Parti - lol lol
    Sceptic
    19th Jun 2014
    3:16pm
    Here's a lesson for you Nightshade, and I am not digitally shouting like you. Do not believe all that you read. The Brits have had recycling bins for many years. My relatives have had two for at least ten years that I know of. One for glass bottles and one for paper and cardboard.
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    9:40am
    Ruthie what a great idea, agree with you totally . Heard T Abbott, Joe Hockey, Julie Bishop, C Pyne, S Morrison have all had body guards assigned to them since this budget was announced, says a lot about this government's popularity doesn't it.
    particolor
    20th Jun 2014
    5:07pm
    Misty Howard still has one or Two too I think ??.. Or He did have!!... Captain Nervous.
    LENYJAC
    19th Jun 2014
    9:19am
    PROBABLY FULL OF LIES ANYWAY.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:27am
    It comes with a Complimentary Tube of Lipstick !!..BONUS !!!
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:02am
    That is guaranteed Lenyjac. Read my response below and leave a comment.
    Grateful
    19th Jun 2014
    11:34am
    No, he doesn't lie when he puts in writing!!!!!???
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:15pm
    So all the promises made in front of the cameras and routinely peddled as the saviour of the country were legit? Get real Grateful and look at the promises vs what has occurred.
    One big con game and you have no idea. Very sad.
    Budwah
    19th Jun 2014
    9:26am
    With the money wasted on the postage alone they could support about 70 older Australians for a year. What a waste!!
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:29am
    I think they get a Concession on Bulk S**t Mail ?? Plus Fly Buy Points ??
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:03am
    Just think of how many pensions could be paid if every Head of Department (earning $800 000 + pa) were sacked......you read right, these people earnover double what our pollies get!!
    Nightshade
    19th Jun 2014
    12:24pm
    TO GET RID OF -
    1:- The Australian Broadcasting Corporation - ABC NETWORK
    2:- The Special Broadcasting Services - SBS NETWORK
    3:- The Australian Bureau of Statistics
    4:- I chipped my tooth over the long weekend - very sharp edge tearing into the tip of my tongue - Sunday first thing I was at the Dental Hospital Swanston St - the dentist placed an extra thin piece of what turned out to be "temporary" covering over the sharp break & said all fixed - bulk billed & $26.00 co-payment.
    I have never used the Dental Hospital / public service this was an emergency only - IT WAS A WASTE OF TAX PAYER MONEY & MY $26.00 - close it down if that is the dodgy service they provide -
    I was always going to my own dentist anyway I just needed to get by till I could get an appointment but they did not know that - the covering wore out in 4 days it as meant to be permanent & fixed. the thin covering if permanent is not enough support for my tooth & it would break sooner rather than later leaving me without a tooth.
    WASTE OF MONEY CLOSE IT DOWN OR DO A PROPER JOB.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:39pm
    mick, just think. We could double the pension and save on postage if we didn't spend $60b on NBN.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:26pm
    Frank: whilst you are right you have to understand that Australia cannot afford to turn itself into a third world country. The Abbott government is already doing this because it is backing coal at a time when the coal price has fallen through the floor, most of the developed world is adopting a price on carbon as Abbott has abandoned it and renewable are being pursued everywhere other than in Australia.
    IN regard to the NBN don't believe the Abbott camp because this government is a wholly owned subsidiary of big business and big business is of the opinion that AUstralia does not need an NBN. If you understand how poorly big business in this country competes internationally you will appreciate how ignorant such a view is.
    The reason why we need the NBN: date is roughly DOUBLING EVERY YEAR. If this continues, and I suggest that it will, then in 20 years time we will need 1 million times the amount of data movement we currently have. Given that copper wires are already close to not being able to cope I suggest that the copper network will be dead in only 10 years time. The point is that even business will need fibre optic cabling (the NBN) to function. This is a no brainer to many people....but Abbott inc. have promulgated the lie that we do not need it and this may well be the greatest nail in the coffin this nation will inherit as dumb business is snookered and looks around to blame anybody other than itself and the stool pigeon of a government it installed. It make my blood boil.
    So understand things for what they are, not what Abbott and his deceitful front bench tell you. They are not to be trusted.
    Kristo
    20th Jun 2014
    3:57am
    Nightshade, Thats the State Government that is responsible for the running of the Dental Hospital. Perhaps Australia should can buying those billions of dollars worth of redundant planes. That might help in the longer term.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    7:58am
    mick, but who can you trust these days????
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    9:51am
    Frank: We have to trust ourselves, research what the writer is telling us and make our own judgements. Mick is right about Coal and the NBN. If you have something good like the NBN was originally, and it takes a bit longer to complete, so what, in the long-term it serves us well. Look at the Harbour Bridge, it hasn't dropped to the bottom of the Harbour. If you do a shoddy job you pay for it twice as much.
    There was a journalist on TV a few days ago talking about why the government is pushing for this Harbour in Queensland to export our coal. He said the coal price is so low, that by the time the price rises and the infrastructure is complete to export it, the renewables will have taken over.
    However, if the legislation in the budget to do away with the renewable energy commission is passed, together with the carbon price axing, we are up the creek again. This renewable energy commission is making a profit, why disband it. It is assisting businesses to invest in renewables. Germany is a good example of renewables, they are always ahead of the pack.
    When the carbon price was introduced the proceeds or some of the proceeds, I heard (which have doubled this year) were to go to the disadvantaged war veterans and war widows etc. This government is destroying all the good things of the previous government along with the not so good. Every government has its good and not so good agenda.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:01am
    Frank: not even the church and God's representatives on earth mate.
    My suggestion, as always, is to find a good Independent, tell all your circle of friends that this is the way to break the stranglehold of the toxic parties which hold power, and then vote for them. Whilst not a gilt edged guarantee you have a fighting chance to get real representation rather than corruption and vested interests being served first.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    12:02pm
    Mick aren't most Independents with labor? Like Oakshott, Wilkie, Thompson, etc.?
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    1:28pm
    Frank: you are not understanding how the last government was formed. The 4 Independents joined forces with Labor because Abbott did not offer enough to get them on his team. Before you attack these people remember they did a few things Labor and Liberal would never do: the gambling legislation to protect addicts from becoming destitute, trying to limit the liquor industry so that venues closed earlier to stop the senseless killing of innocent bysanders, and I dare say more which is not even on the radar. FYI Craig Thompson was a Labor MP.
    Whilst the last parliament was a unique balance of power situation I suggest that if we had more Independents then proper government would occur because policy decisions would be made by elected representatives rather than the central core of the party. That is what is needed.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    3:19pm
    mick: I am not attacking anyone and don't expect to be attacking anyone. Abbott offered them the same. FYI Craig Thompson was a Labor MP until Julia Gillard got back from her trip to Turkey and he crossed the line. Then he became an Independent until we sacked Craig but not before the Unions sacked Julia.
    MITZY
    23rd Jun 2014
    12:35pm
    Frank: This is a garbled response to Mick. Abbott didn't offer them the same. Oakeshott, Windsor, Wilkie, Greens negotiated with both Abbott and Gillard (for approx. 3 weeks before we had a government formed) and in his speech in Parliament when he retired from office before the last election he said they chose Gillard because they considered her to have a much better chance of forming a stable government with the independents and the Greens. He said Abbott walked into the negotiating room and said "I'll give you anything you want except the seat of my pants".
    Craig Thompson was forced to step down from the Labor Party and became an Independent from the time that Whistleblower Woman, Cathy ........ somebody(?) who is currently in front of the hearing regarding union corruption etc. blew the whistle on Thompson and others (two of which have been convicted recently and will be serving gaol sentences) for the stolen funds from union members and other dilly-dallyings of which you would be aware.
    Adrianus
    23rd Jun 2014
    1:06pm
    I suspected the Independents had a strong ALP alliance. Kathy Jackson had to blow the whistle they were ganging up on her and she was afraid. She was offered a seat in parliament by the President of the ALP to keep her whistle in her pocket, but refused. Williamson's pay was higher than the PM's. In his last year $450,000 plus $1,500,000 in Super. Makes you wonder where all the money was coming from? There are only 50,000 members in the HSU. How much is the membership fee ?
    Gra
    19th Jun 2014
    9:27am
    Who would believe anything coming from Abbott anyway? I think particolor has the right idea, about all it would be good for. This is nothing but a waste of money and an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of pensioners.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:35am
    I'm never WRONG !!..
    The Golden Fleece over Your eyes for attentiveness !!...
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:35am
    No wool over my eyes. I see Abbott and his fascist cronies for what they really are. Remember Animal Farm by George Orwell? All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others, so says Napoleon Pig, the honoured leader with his snout in the trough along with all his piglings.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:29pm
    I wish there were more like you Ruthie. I suspect that more than a few believe this wolf in sheep's clothing with his slogans and smooth used car salesman technique. Those who study the FACTS understand. What was the quote: "the truth will set you free". Yes, it does.
    Gee Whiz
    19th Jun 2014
    9:27am
    Once again these idiots have shown they have no idea what they are doing.

    Abbott is shutting the gate after the horse has bolted and wasting more of our money to prove just how moronic this government really is.

    Give up Abbott. You're a loser and always will be. Go to a double dissolution and let us put you out of you'r misery.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:32am
    But He does have a lot of Best Friends Overseas !!.. The Head Honcho of Canadia for Instance !!
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:39am
    And best friends with Japan and South Korea, but could not negotiate a free trade deal with China, our biggest trading nation. Oh, well, we have the suppository of all wisdom in charge. We all know where a suppository belongs! Now we know where his brain is.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:48pm
    Double Dissolution huh? There is a reason some of our top military are moving into Civilian high office. You lefty nutjobs are going to go rabid one day and Australia will be ready!
    Misty
    21st Jun 2014
    9:17am
    From this comment I gather Frank is a Rabid Right Nutjob.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    10:29am
    Where's my nurse?
    particolor
    21st Jun 2014
    8:02pm
    Wet or Dry ??
    GrannyH
    19th Jun 2014
    9:38am
    Go to a double dissolution just so that we go back to the disastrous years of Labor?? No thank you. At least Mr.Abbott and Mr. Hockey are trying to rein in the huge debt left by the other mob. We all have to pull our weight to make this happen so stop whinging and get on with enjoying life -- no matter how meagre our income might be.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:42am
    I'm off now Granny to Busk in the Mall !! I'll talk to You later ! OK ??
    Allieannie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:00am
    You know GrannyH that that is just not correct or truthful? The debt 'left by Labor' was about $335b. Within three months of coming to power Abbott and Hockey DOUBLED the debt to over $600b! He gave the Reserve Bank $8b, and Murdoch $880ml. They are punishing the poor, the disabled, carers and the aged and giving to miners like Gina. I think you had better go back online and do some research into what is actually happening and don't bother reading Murdoch or listening to the lies on talkback.
    You can start here at ABC Fact check;
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/has-the-government-doubled-the-budget-deficit/5423392
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    10:02am
    And everyone accepts that the ABC is not biased in any way Allieannie so it must be true.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    10:05am
    Got Turfed out of the Mall for Yodelling ?? I need 70 Grand pay Rise now to get Me started !!
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:42am
    Fact check. There was no budget disaster until Hockey borrowed $600 billion and doubled the debt. Check the ABC fact check and the facts are there. I think I may become a phone sex worker. Wink! Wink!
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:07am
    Abbott has tried to bully the Senate since the election, threatening to call a double dissolution. All his telling the senate what they were to do failed last night as Julie Bishop stated "just because we can call a double dissolution doesn't mean that we will". So now that this morally deceitful and corrupt government is not ahead in the polls it suddenly does not want an election.
    "We want an election" Abbott.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    12:00pm
    Poor old Mick, You really do have a problem/ Stop dreaming!!!!
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    12:18pm
    Mick Mr Abbott has not threatened a double dissolution, rather that's what Labor keep demanding. Ms Bishop said yesterday, You may have the trigger but you don't have to pull it!
    Tom Tank
    19th Jun 2014
    1:04pm
    Sorry KSS but Tony has threatened a double dissolution by implicit statements he has made. This of course was said before the polls showed the level of the Liberal vote indicated a loss at an election if held soon.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    2:23pm
    Quite right Granny H. I have never seen such a moaning poor me lot when they don't know how well off they are. Give up grog and smokes and stop gambling and you will have plenty for food etc. Learn to live within your means for a change. What a disgruntled lot, you all sound like whinging Poms. Its not the taxpayers fault you have squandered your during your life time. You can't have your cake and eat it to.
    Sceptic
    19th Jun 2014
    3:36pm
    I would suggest that Allieannie and Ruthie learn the difference between actual which is the current deficit and the projected deficit should the budget initiatives not be passed. You obviously prefer the Swann years of prevarication on reaching a budget surplus in sometime never. Also maybe you could learn the difference between budget surplus in one year and accumulated debt. Even when we eventually have a budget surplus, the accumulated debt will need to be repaid. Until that time we are borrowing just to pay the interest on the current accumulated debt. Imagine if the only way to pay the interest on your credit card was to borrow money which of course adds to the total debt. Well that is the current position. You will notice of course that the ALP and the Greens never mention ever getting back ito surplus.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    3:47pm
    Sceptic, why did you spoil their fun with real facts?
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:40pm
    Granny: I hate to dispel your belief that this budget will reduce the debt. This is an Abbott slogan but the recent budget WILL NOT SEE THE DEBT PAID OFF at all. All the budget is is a a reallocation of money and the transfer of money from poor and average Australians. In fact the debt is going to continue increasing. That is why this government removed the debt ceiling. It is so sad when people believe election promises which it was never intended to honour and then regurgitate this as facts.
    The supposed huge debt from Labor is another lie. It was used by the (business owned) media to throw out Labor but the debt is now much higher than it was when Labor left office....but funny, funny....the media now never tell Australians what it is. Why????
    If you really do not want to vote Labor then do yourself and the rest of the nation a big favour: VOTE FOR A GOOD INDEPENDENT and send both sides the clearest of messages. This is the way to change the corruption in politics. Playing the your turn/my turn game is not going to work because both sides are elected and get paid.
    Kato
    19th Jun 2014
    10:15pm
    Dogs Body
    You shouldn't talk about your beloved leader Tony like that. Even though he is the biggest whinging pom parliament has ever had.
    Kristo
    20th Jun 2014
    4:03am
    Dogs Body mate, you have left a couple of things off your wise utterances.
    Don't get sick, don't go to the Dr, or for a blood test, x ray or scan. There, simples. Live or the other within your means you pinko whingers. Just because you paid and pay tax, defended the country etc you don't deserve anything (how am I doing so far DG?)
    Misty
    21st Jun 2014
    1:54pm
    Grannie, Allieannie gave you a true description of the budget not the lies put out by Abbott, Hockey and Co, and KSS the ABC IS NO MORE BIASED THEN Skye News Agenda,
    The Daily Telegraph, The Australian, just to name a few.
    Pudding
    19th Jun 2014
    9:40am
    From what I understand this letter will come out with the yearly letter from Centrelink, so there should be no extra cost involved with "letter from the PM". What is so hard is there are so many changes supposed to be happening and a lot of these have to be passed by the Senate. So it is hard to know what is going to happen. The budget proposal has got so many dates when these things are going to happen that it gets quite confusing. I don't get a Centrelink letter myself but I will receive one as I am a Financial Administrator for a person who receives a Disability pension. I just hope that the Senate blocks most of these proposals making it so hard for Seniors. Hubby only has to wait another year before he retires. Maybe if people wrote an email to the PM or the Treasurer and bombard their local Federal member with their concerns it may help but with this crowd, pigs might fly first.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    9:45am
    I just saw a Porkshire Pink go over !!
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:47am
    It was Napoleon Pig from Animal Farm; he who thinks all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Bombard Abbott with letters all those who think the budget is totally unfair. They tried this approach in Greece and the result was pain, hardship and huge job losses, while the fat cats got fatter as they avoided paying their taxes. It is now recognised that the austerity measures did more harm than good. What should have occurred was a stimulation program.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:08am
    Your last sentence is spot on.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:52pm
    and also has the appropriate full stop
    particolor
    21st Jun 2014
    8:05pm
    I was Stimulated by the Last Government !!
    Ozetwo
    19th Jun 2014
    9:56am
    As the bulk of pensioners comprise the conservative voting block that got this government in, then maybe they might just think twice next election. Don't just suck up promises without thinking and certainly don't believe the biased media who are directed how to report by their billionaire owners. How about every pensioner putting return to sender on the envelope together with a message about how you feel now.
    particolor
    19th Jun 2014
    10:10am
    Cant send Mine back sorry !! .. I used it to Ignite the Coffee Table !! But Boy is that Fake Pine warm !!
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    10:19am
    We should all stop moaning and count our blessings. Imagine putting that dickhead Shorten back in power. We have no alternative but to grin and bear it. At least Abbott is going to make Australia a better place by fixing our horrendous debt and future generations will benefit. No one is perfect, but he is definitely the best of a bad bunch.
    Wstaton
    19th Jun 2014
    10:41am
    A better place for who Dogs Body certainly not for those at the lower end of the spectrum. who are bearing the brunt of the cuts and additions.
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:53am
    Really Dogs Body!!! The Libs doubled the debt in just 6 months. You, Dogs Body are barking up the wrong tree.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:15am
    Ozetwo: well written...and factual
    Dogs Body: you have a distorted view which defies logic and you have an 'opinion' which you have not bothered to substantiate. This is dangerous and Abbott loves the blind fools.
    Your statement about fixing the budget is the Abbott election slogan still going around in your head. The budget will in no way repay the budget and it has been forecast that the deficit will continue to grow....why do you think that this government removed the debt ceiling (if you know what that means)? The budget was a shell game: money shifted around with the end result that it came out of the pockets of all of us and went directly i nto the bank accounts of the rich, WHO GOT A 1.5% TAX CUT disguised as a company tax cut. But the rich all use companies in their financial affairs to avoid the real tax system.
    So get real Dogs Body. Do some work and research things rather than have an uninformed opinion.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    11:50am
    Well put Mick: Whatever Abbott is writing in his letter to us, will be nothing that we don't already know according to what was proposed in his budget. What a waste of time and effort.
    This government apparently still doesn't have the legislation ready to be debated upon for some of their policies they went to the last election and the election before that. How can it push so hard for this PPL for six years and still have no costings for it, but it can tell us we have to do the "majority" of the lifting with its attack on us. We now know they have lied about the statistics of us pensioners and welfare recipients increasing when in fact we are decreasing.
    The lies and twisted words are monumental from this government in its infancy and Julia Gillard stating "There will be no carbon price under the government I lead, but I do not rule out an emissions trading scheme in the future" pales into insignificance.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:54pm
    No need for the PM to write to us. Bill Shorten has already told us whats in the letter.,
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:42pm
    Good one MITZY. I hope that each and every one of us spread the news as the big media players are not to be trusted to tell us the truth.
    Kristo
    20th Jun 2014
    4:06am
    Dogs Body. It's a bit tedious when you sing from the neo-con hymn book. When it comes to your extravagant claims about debt and the rest you are 100% wrong. Please go away and check some independent sources and stop it with the partisan nonsense.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:04am
    Dogs Body: I am beginning to wonder if you are trolling and/or working for the government. You seem to ignore the facts and dwell on the Abbott slogans to support your Fuhrer.

    19th Jun 2014
    10:22am
    Idiotic Shorten with his borrow and hope philosophy would only send us further down the gurgler, so lets make the best of Abbott who is trying to bring our country back to normal, after inheriting labors horrendous debt. Of course we don't like it, but there is no alternative.
    Wstaton
    19th Jun 2014
    10:44am
    Hmmm, I seem to remember that it was Ms Gillard and Rudd who were the leaders during the borrowing.

    Are you a ringin Dogs Body.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    11:30am
    These fools on both sides, going back to that little Napoleon John Howard, have had countless billions more in taxes flow through their hands at a faster rate (read up on my 'cycle of taxation') - and instead of setting up solid infrastructure and industry for the REAL future - they've tossed it at their own pet projects and philosophies learned in the university quadrangle over a sandwich a beer.

    Anyone yet come up with an answer to how any government can justify continuing the GST when nothing of value has come of it in any way - other than the enrichment of the rich, the politicians, and all their cronies?

    All that 'privatisation' has raised our costs of living to the point of being near untenable - how was that allowed to happen when government had so much cash flowing in every day?

    Sorry - we are in the hands of the robber barons for true these days - all they are doing is - each and every one of them - ripping a piece out of the near-dead carcase of Australia.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:46pm
    Dogs Body: I do not know where you have been for the past 10 years but your non understanding of this government defies belief. Read some of the responses and be informed. If you don't wish to be informed then look up the word 'ignorant' as believing is quite different from how things are. You view fails the test of reality and you appear to be part of the mindless few who are easily programed by lies and slogans and the then repeat these at end whilst refusing to research the truth.
    "The truth will (or should I say can) set you free". Good luck.
    magdika
    19th Jun 2014
    10:12pm
    Dogs Body;) I admire Mick. Mitzi and Ruthie for their diplomacy dealing with someone of such monumental ignorance. Indeed it defies logic to have people in the midst of us.
    Idontforget
    19th Jun 2014
    10:22am
    Recently Joe Hockey made the statement, 'The age of entitlement is over'. Really?? What about the entitlement of Politicians of their fully taxpayer funded overseas trips, including their partners on regular occasions to allegedly study some dubious enterprise.

    Please Mr. Hockey, will you comment on this entitlement.

    And please, Mr. Abbott, will you include in your letter the trips that I have referred to as well as any report that the Politician has submitted on his/her return. By putting it in your letter, that will be the only way we know who and their family went overseas and what they achieved.

    I don't mind doing some lifting but Pensioners are being hit with a penalty in infinitude but I do note that the high earners, which also includes politicians are only being penalised for three years.

    Come on Mr. Abbott and Mr. Hockey, fair is fair but what you are doing is grossly disproportionate.
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    11:01am
    I agree. Hockey, in an address to the Sydney Institute last week, described Australia as a land of lifters and leaners. I want to tell him, I was a lifter for more than 50 years, so now I believe I have a right to lean a little. The term leaner, came from someone during WWI, who described soldiers as leaners as they took leave in London. The idea was that they deserved to lean after the heavy lifting they did on the battlefields. Hockey's speech was so divisive as to be insulting to the less well of in a nation that believes in a fair go for everyone.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    11:32am
    Hokey is just a fool - he may be smart enough to get a degree and so forth - but it is obvious he has no intellect at all. Living proof that having brains is not a pre-requisite for success in life...
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:59pm
    This government put a freeze on MP's wage rises. The Labor government increased Politicians wages by a massive 55%
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    2:40pm
    This government put a freeze on MP's salaries in order to pay less of the 1.5% levy
    it has imposed on itself and other high income earners, which will probably be next to nothing payable by the time they fiddle their accounting procedures, transfer to trusts, buy cars under fbt benefits, super sacrifice etc. etc.
    They are all laughing all the way to the banks in their pinstriped suits.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:52pm
    You have to put aside what this deceitful government says Idontforget and look at what it does. Follow the money trail and you can't get it wrong.
    For what it is worth it appears that the next game from Abbott inc. is to have its own MPs talk against the Parental Leave policy. Whilst I do not agree with this it was a vote buyer for gen Y which bought it hook, line and sinker. But what you need to understand is that big business DO NOT WANT IT because they will be paying for it. So they want to scuttle the policy whilst keeping their 1.5% tax cut. It looks like the game is now for Abbott to back out because he has no apparent other choice. Lets wait to see if the fat lady sings.
    And yes Idontforget the "age of entitlement" is over for average Australians but NOT FOR BIG BUSINESS AND THE RICH who are both pocketing a lot of your money. Quite sick!!
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    10:32am
    Wrong Frank, this government did not put a freeze on politicians wages, it was The Independent Tribunal Commission who put a freeze on their wages in March, this government had NO SAY IN THE MATTER.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    12:10pm
    Misty, you will probably think that Fair Work is also independent? and the ALP is not the political department of the unions? Read micks post below.
    tiger
    19th Jun 2014
    10:24am
    these sort of tactics from a desperate PM won't wash with me bring on an Election A.S.A.P and toss the mongrels out The grey brigade jump on the wagon and do it.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:53pm
    Good one. Bring it on.
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    10:26am
    What a waste of money and effort. He won't convince me. I am planning to send the letter back to him with comments attached. How many millions of dollars in postage will these letters cost and also the printing costs etc.

    Does Tony Abbott really believe that pensioners will thank him? NO!
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    11:54am
    Ruthie, did you know every MP gets a mail allowance and if they don't buy stamps then they put it into their pocket.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    9:56pm
    That is a part of their electoral allowance. I am not sure but I thought that federal MPs had their huge salaries DOUBLED in a 2 year period so that they did not get an electoral allowance. But as I said I am not sure how it all panned out and it would be nice for somebody to do the research and comment about this. Thanks.
    Blossom
    19th Jun 2014
    10:40am
    Why send expensive letters to us all, does the government think we don't or can,t read the news papers.
    Wstaton
    19th Jun 2014
    10:48am
    I think this unimaginative government thinks anyone over 65 hasn't got a brain anymore, cannot read anymore and cannot interpret anymore. So why does he listen to Murdock.
    Ruthie
    19th Jun 2014
    11:19am
    So true! Listening to Murdoch? Well we all know the garbage that is printed in his papers. Abbott very willingly appears with Andrew Bolt, but refuses to be interviewed on the ABC. Speaks volumes. I recall an interview several years ago, with Kerry O'Brien and what a disaster this was for Abbott. (The interview can be seen on You Tube). In that interview he virtually said you could not always believe what came out of his mouth, but could believe what he wrote down on paper. I remember the big advertising on billboards during the election campaign -No changes to the pension, no cuts to the ABC and SBS, no cuts to health and education. So it seems not only can we not believe the words spewing from his mouth, but neither can we believe the words he writes. I don't think Abbott has appeared on ABC since that embarrassing episode on 7:30, being interviewed by Kerry O'Brien. No doubt his chief adviser, Peta Credlin does not allow him to be interviewed on the ABC. She who must be obeyed. Took him to dinner with Rupert Murdoch. Fancy having dinner with that creep! Look what scandalous behaviour his employees engaged in in England. I refuse to call these people journalists.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    3:54pm
    Yes because that time Kerry O'Brien hosed out his makeup room before Tony arrived.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    10:59am
    The problem this government has has nothing to do with "selling" the budget to the electorate. It has everything to do with deceitful dishonesty and monumental betrayal with the transfer of wealth from poor and average Australians to the rich. There's and old saying about 'follow the money trail'. It only goes straight to the bank accounts of the rich who have their trusts and company structures to all but avoid the tax system which everybody else is supposed to pay into.
    One of the many lies this government has been using is that this budget is "good for the country". This slogan, like all the rest, fail the truth test and we are seeing a shell game in action. This budget will in no way pay down the deficit so lets not be conned by the spiel.
    We should RESPOND TO THE ABBOTT LETTER AND TELL HIM THAT HE HAS LOST OUR SUPPORT. Just watch how fast the turn around occurs if we as a community can ACT TOGETHER to send a message. But remember the old saying 'divide and conquer'. The ball is in your court!!
    The only beneficiaries will be wealthy Australians who got a tax cut in the budget whilst everybody else pays.
    Australians need to put their put their political preferences behind them and vote these lying bastards out. Do the country a favour: vote for a good Independent and send both sides a message they cannot mistake.
    Paddles
    19th Jun 2014
    11:14am
    Mick

    I wonder if you can see the irony in your above rant where you enjoin us to "put our political preferences aside" and then go on to categorise the current government as "lying bastards"?

    I rather think that you have nailed your colours to the mast as it were.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    11:58am
    Mick--- There is none so blind than those who cannot see. Krudd and Gillard destroyed Australia financially, so Abbott will never be popular bringing in the hard measures to rectify that. It will take many years to get the budget into credit. You must have a very short memory or are you a blow in union stirrer from Pommie land??????
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    12:14pm
    Paddles: I'd love to vote for a good independent at the next election but for many years the Greens and Independents and others who put themselves up are virtually unknowns in my electorate. I'd rather have a first past the post vote, one vote, one count. That would put the wind up some sails. How can I vote for Labor or Libs next time, seeing as they are both lying, one side lying much more than the other side!!
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    12:51pm
    A good Independent just like Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party Ricky Muir, of Victoria
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    1:00pm
    KSS: You've pinched my words on this topic of trying to find a "good" Independent with Mick yesterday. I even quoted Ricky Muir in that commentary. The 85 year old pensioner quoted in Kaye's commentary above where she indicates in blue writing go to News.com.au and read more is probably well worth a look. There is a video clip of this 85 year old and regardless of her political leanings she knows how to express herself. It hit No. on twitter apparently yesterday. It would have given me a great big laugh but for the fact the matter of the budget and pensions is serious.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    10:02pm
    Good to see what some think.
    Paddles: I never vote Liberal or Labor as I see the problem. Whilst it is nice to do your own thing I draw you to the old saying "united we stand, divided we fall". This is how the bastards rule us with their deceit and lies and the only way we can beat them at their game is to throw them out and replace them with pollies who are not prostituted when they come into the parliament. Whilst it ain't a perfect world and some Independents may not work out I suggest that the process of government will work better with a group of people who are not puppets. Do you have a better idea? Certainly the your turn/my turn duopoly have been failures for a long time and this failure is repeated in man other nations. There's an old saying that 'if it ain't broke then don't fix it' and another 'if it don't work then stop repeating the same thing'.
    You need to give these a bit of thought perhaps.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    10:10pm
    Ricky Muir? Come on guys. I said yesterday that Muir got in on 0.5% of the primary vote and that this should be outlawed. When I suggest voting for a good Independent I mean get somebody with a bit of nouse to investigate the candidates, go to the meet the candidates meetings and feel them out or ask them questions and then pick the best one around.
    Muir would never get my vote and I'd rather vote informal than put somebody like Muir into the parliament. But there are good candidates out there, but you have to do a bit of investigation to uncover them as the media is not going to tell you. And then you have to pass the message around your network of friends so that they also understand that a good candidate exists. In the end if things do not work out then candidates have highly paid bureaucrats to give them the information and even make a suggestion. I mean how hard is it really...just get the labor and Liberal zombies away from the dying corpse.
    Paddles
    20th Jun 2014
    12:59pm
    Mick

    And others who, from time to time, come up with that naive absurdity of only voting for an "independent".

    How do you think that the current party system came into being? It started with one independent saying to another independent "I have this great idea and I'd like your support on the floor". You scratch my back and, when your back's itchy, I'll scratch it.

    There we have the genesis of a political party when a few more see the merits of mutual support and so it goes!
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    1:39pm
    Paddles: you are totally missing the point. The reason why politics in the western world is hostage to never changing is the 2 party system. Your turn/my turn/ your turn again. They both know that they will be elected so they can afford to become perverse, represent vested interests and treat those who voted for them like trash. Both sides behave like this.
    The theory with having Independents is that you have a group of representatives who horse trade amongst themselves and come up with outcomes for their respective electorates as well as the nation as a whole. Whilst there are no guarantees it has to be better than what we have. And guess what: when the two deadbeat parties who now own the game see that the public has abandoned them THEY WILL FIX THEMSELVES or perish. It has to be a better way to go....but it counts on a significant number of voters going down this track.
    Hope you see the logic and can help by spreading the word to indoctrinated voters who find it hard to change a lifetime of the same habit.
    Nightshade
    19th Jun 2014
    11:12am
    SNAIL MAIL ?
    I POSTED AN A4 ENVELOPE OUTSIDE COBURG POST OFFICE 7.00 am
    LUNCH TIME IT WAS ON THE DESK OF A BARRISTER AT OWEN DIXON CHAMBERS WEST
    HOW GOOD IS THAT !
    IN FACT AUSTRALIA IS HELD UP AS HAVING THE BEST & MOST EFFICIENT POSTAL SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.
    [ this was not told by the Australian Bureau of Statistics / if it were I would not believe it / in fact they would probably say the opposite / as all the do is rubbish Australia & it's achievements & it's people / a waste of Tax Payer Monies they are ]

    THE GOV.COM IS MAKING A BIG MISTAKE CUTTING THE AUSTRALIAN POST SERVICE - AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE IT IS ONLY ONE UNIT OF A MASSIVE NATIONAL & FURTHER - GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS & DELIVERY SERVICE - AS IMPORTANT AS THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY WHICH IS JUST ONE UNIT OF THE SAME SYSTEM -
    CLOWNS & MONKEYS RUN THE SHOW MATE.
    confucius
    19th Jun 2014
    11:16am
    Blossom, a query, discussion on Lib mail-out to one side, I have to ask who buys newspapers any more? We do, in fact, already pay for newspapers via our council rates, so local library has copies if you wish to physically handle and read the local/national papers. However, anyone can use their library membership card number and go online, google your local library, put in library card membership number/password and follow the prompts --(online resources, display etc)-- and thereby get a choice of 2,500 newspapers digitally from all over the world including ALL the Oz newspapers. In other words never pay for another newspaper over the counter again! Now there's a saving for we pensioners....!
    Gee Whiz
    19th Jun 2014
    11:20am
    Granny H appears to be another one eyed Liberal who can't see the wood for the trees. You sound like you must be pretty well off, so none of this really worries you.

    But the real problem is the Abbott Government lied. Voters hate liars. Julia Gillard found that out while thinking the electorate would forgive her over the Carbon Tax lie.

    Well here's a news flash. The voting public has changed. The days of voting for the same party time after time after time (me included) irrespective of their failings, has gone.

    They will no longer tolerate liars, broken promises or the "rich and famous" lifestyles of politicians. The ground swell of voter revolt against political largess and corruption is growing by the day.

    As the LNP in Queensland is going to find out in about eleven months time.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    10:18pm
    Settle down there Gee Whiz. We need to educate those who have been groomed on lies, slogans and propaganda campaigns. I had a huge weight lifted from my shoulders the day I found out what a dill I was. This is when I started investigating and realising that politicians on both sides have vested interests they represent and not the public. The pieces of the puzzle continue to fall into place but sadly there are voters out there who believe that their opinion represents the facts when they are deceitful lies which can for the most part be easily discovered.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2014
    8:18am
    " I had a huge weight lifted from my shoulders the day I found out what a dill I was."

    mick theres no shame in that. Many of us have felt the same way. This is the system I use sometimes. I count up how many Union/ALP (same thing) are going to gaol and then I count Lib/Nats then I divide the Union/ALP number by the Lib/Nats number. This is the number of years the Lib/Nats should govern, no more than 35 years. Hang on does that sound right? Check my numbers willya?

    19th Jun 2014
    11:21am
    Money better put to meaningful thought about real budgetary measures that actually mean something.
    > trust funds
    > fat cats taxes
    > politician perks
    > unwarranted PPL bribe to the fem lobby (again)
    > housing investment as opposed to investment in solid future infrastructure
    > smashed industrial base
    > off-shoring of resources at bargain prices while ours go up

    Just a start there...
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    10:25pm
    Good overview.
    The real problem Australia has is that OUR JOBS HAVE BEEN SOLD OVERSEAS. Whilst the debate goes on and more jobs head overseas people are not seeing this as the real problem.
    If you want to feel real terror (for future generations) consider that both sides of politics are turning an intentional blind eye to the sale of our FREEHOLD fertile farming land to FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, mainly China. So what are hungry Australians, your grandchildren, going to do when we have a 100 million population and our food producing land is in the ownership of China which will use it to grow food for its own population, not ours? My local candidates at the last election both said "its only 10%" (gone) but I suspect that it is a lot more. I occasionally wake up and think about this. It is an act of betrayal....and the media refuses to engage.
    Travellersjoy
    19th Jun 2014
    11:21am
    It seems I am expected to 'offer up' my pension, and my living, to ensure the 1% continue to live in the luxury to which they believe they are entitled.

    Sorry Joe, Tony, parasites like them only deserve eradication. You can borrow my parasiticide if you want.

    And I will have my cricket bat and handbag at the next election.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    12:41pm
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqPezBQIAAAxXxH.jpg

    Had to do that one again...
    Kathleen
    19th Jun 2014
    11:22am
    Unopened....refused! Send a strong message back. They want to know if we will vote for them! They want to know what their chances are with the masses of pensioners! Let them know!
    Kathleen
    19th Jun 2014
    11:29am
    Ruthie, I feel the term 'lifter' is discriminatory! It reminds me of other similar terms like black and white. A lifter is white obviously making a leaner a black which wreaks of racism. How dare they use such terms! These are so called educated people who know exactly what they have said.
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    12:32pm
    Where on earth did you get this interpretation from? I think this says more about you and your mindset than Mr Hockey.
    Blossom
    19th Jun 2014
    11:35am
    I'm with Ruthie and Ozetwo to send all our letters back to where they came from,I have done this prevoiusly, but one letter doesn't make a difference. two and a half million letters might
    Rock
    19th Jun 2014
    11:35am
    Pensioners should start a Petition - POLITICIANS CAN ONLY ACCESS SUPRANNUATION UPON REACHING THE RETIREMENT AGE OF 70 YEARS OF AGE
    tia-maria
    19th Jun 2014
    12:02pm
    ROCK, yes I agree with you mate
    JOHN T
    19th Jun 2014
    12:28pm
    totally agree this should happen
    John T
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    1:17pm
    The Politician's Super fund is a defined benefit tontine scheme! Julia wacked up her salary so she could live on a bigger pension. Rock, I'm rock solid behind you there mate!!!
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    1:54pm
    Politicians do not wack up their salaries. An "Independent" body does that job for them.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    3:57pm
    AND those currently in receipt have it withheld until 70 - at which time they are means tested for it.... It's such a lucrative government-run scheme that it falls squarely under social security..... let's apply the same standards and values as apply to everyone else.
    Kristo
    20th Jun 2014
    4:16am
    Mitzy, yes that is correct. Pretty cunning eh? Took the MP's out of the spotlight because they can say it wasn't us it was the Tribunal. Very generous terms however that bear no relationship to how a pension might be adjusted, particularly if the Hockey budget gets up. Imagine the screams if they had to be content with the CPI.
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    10:15am
    Kristo: This CPI is a bit of a worry, seeing the other calculation on MALE average earnings benefits the pensioner so much more.
    I think we have to convince all those Aussies buying on line from overseas entities adding more benefit to them than to us, to BUY AUSTRALIAN therefore raising the CPI enormously. Our retailers will be happy, so will we. Just imagine, buy Australian, economy starts trending upwards and the Banks have to increase their interest rates and the poor pensioners with a little bit of savings start to grow them. That's one part of the country a little happier on the Happiness Index!
    Ozetwo
    20th Jun 2014
    12:56pm
    Rather than the CPI, how about making the maximum salary and allowance payable to politicians ten times the full single pension amount?
    fat
    19th Jun 2014
    11:38am
    it's about time the mp's did some heavy lifting .They have not contributed one $ to it. not getting a rise is not giving anything and for only 1 year.They should wake up to themselves or apply for a few brains and not be greedy.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    12:42pm
    Again.. how could I resist it?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqPezBQIAAAxXxH.jpg
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:03pm
    So how are MPs doing ANY "heavy lifting? They intend to pay the Defecit Tax for 1 year. Rhubarb!! They are getting a 2.4% salary hike on 1 July 2014. And on 1 July 2016 they get another 2.4% increase + any catch up. So here's the catch: what ever they lose because of the temporary tax will be made up at that time by the supposed 'Independent Remuneration Tribunal'. In case readers are not aware this is the same sort of Tribunal CEOs use to get astronomical salaries which can double in 1 year. These "Tribunals" ARE IN NO WAT INDEPENDENT IN ANY WAY and depend on the governments and company Boards for their own existence. They will award huge pay increases as a matter of course. How do you think that federal MPs doubled their salaries in a period of 2 years?
    wally
    19th Jun 2014
    11:49am
    I see this mail out campaign for what it is. "Evil" Abbott is trying to bail out his "Evil Mates"at Australia Post. I wonder what Billy "Brutus the back stabber" Short-one will do in reply. Oh for the good old days of the Rudd, Gillard and Swan troika ruining Australia's economy for the benefit of us all!
    retroy
    19th Jun 2014
    1:13pm
    You have already been told it is not a separate mailing and is going out with a scheduled centre link letter but your other cynicism is well placed.
    wally
    19th Jun 2014
    11:49am
    I see this mail out campaign for what it is. "Evil" Abbott is trying to bail out his "Evil Mates"at Australia Post. I wonder what Billy "Brutus the back stabber" Short-one will do in reply. Oh for the good old days of the Rudd, Gillard and Swan troika ruining Australia's economy for the benefit of us all!
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    12:03pm
    Wally---- I could'nt agree more. Lots of anti Abbott vitriol on this site. Poor souls, I feel sorry for them. Don't know when they are well off.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    1:05pm
    And our pinstriped treasurer doubly ruining Australia's economy in less than a year?
    No wonder he wears a pinstriped suit courtesy of the $8 billion gift to the Reserve Bank. Never trust a pinstriped suit.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    2:36pm
    MITZY I don't care what he wears as long as he gets the job done.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    2:45pm
    Frank: You forgot to add to your sentence "... to favour his mates".
    I can't see he's doing a great portion of taxpayers or pensioners and the like any favours by doubling the deficit in six months. At least the other party took six years to do it by half!
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    4:10pm
    Yeah - but it couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.. same for Fat Joe.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:08pm
    Dogs Body: you are to be pitied. Please do not show your ignorance by spouting propaganda. Do some research, gain knowledge and understanding and try to stop uttering Abbott electioneering slogans which have already been shown to be deceitful lies. Surely you have the intelligence to discover the truth rather than chant this sort of stuff. We all have 'opinions' but these need to be tested for truth, otherwise one becomes little more than an oaf making noise. Sorry if I am a bit in your face but I have tried to give you information before but you seem not to be able to check it out.
    Supernan
    19th Jun 2014
    11:49am
    Liked comments from Ozetwo ! Nice to read something sensible & rational. We will certainly be worse off. Great idea for everyone to send their letter back with comments on it. Just cross out address & write return to sender, with comments on the back. Lets start a campaign on facebook & get all pensioners to do it !
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    10:42am
    Totally agree Frank, can you or anyone on this comment page get one started, I will write to Get Up and George Wright and suggest this to them.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    11:51am
    I will not be getting a letter from the Prime Minister because I have never believed on sucking on the public teet even though Whitlam tried hard to encourage it I found a way to scratch out a meagre existence. I never accepted a gift or a helping hand with the response..." you can surely do more you mean spirited so and so!" That's just the way I am. Maybe I should change my ways? Am I too stubborn or too old now? Should I weaken when all those around me are now demanding their "rights". Somebody help. I am at a cross road.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    12:34pm
    I would consider myself well off if I went to centerlink and demanded my rights and my letter from the PM.
    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Jun 2014
    11:53am
    Not only are Abbot & Costello hilariously funny as well as Stupid....now they are taking advice from the Clowns.....overpaid consultant buddies department!
    Mailing out a letter to explain that they haven't disadvantaged anyone.......what a pair of idiots they are.......Abbott has become our George Bush of America......too stupid to see that his own Party thinks he is thick as a brick!
    As for Hocky (Costello).......he's a Lawyer......do they really give a dam?.......or is it all about the Show & the Money?
    Come on people....learn from the Spanking these Parties are giving us.....vote them out of the Senate altogether!
    If you want to vote for your Party...only do so in the Lower House!
    As for the letter....Return to Sender applies.......with a note inside......the Person who you have sent this to does not believe anything you say anymore and neither do their taxpaying children and grandchildren......and sign it......Old Leaner!
    Oldie84
    19th Jun 2014
    11:54am
    I don't really know why I bother to read the drivel coming from the majority. So few voices of common sense like KSS and grannyH. Come on, use the little brain you've got and look at the issues. Just imagine you'd be in Iraq or Syria and see how you would fare then !!!!
    Marc
    19th Jun 2014
    1:28pm
    Hear hear! Let's all read only opinions that agree with our own. Why risk reading something that might (possibly, though it's very unlikely) broaden our own narrow field of reference?

    Tragic as the situation in those countries may be, we are not in Iraq or Syria; we're in a country that can afford to look after it's most vulnerable, but instead has a government that uses half-truths to build a scare campaign so it can gouge money and services from those who can least afford it.
    Oldie84
    19th Jun 2014
    1:52pm
    Marc, you just proved my point. I love a good debate, goes back to my Apex days, but it must be reasoned debate. Not the attacks and abuse that spews forth.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    2:13pm
    Oldie81: But we are not living in Iraq or Syria and never will be and therefore we have the right to have our opinion of the issues at hand. Nobody here is going to get their tongues cut out for their commentary, not even the pollies will be beheaded for lying.
    Supernan
    19th Jun 2014
    11:56am
    Just read the letter will come from Centrelink, not direct from PM ! So insent of Return to sender write "Try this address" & write PM's address !
    tia-maria
    19th Jun 2014
    11:59am
    PM Abbott Far too late to Suck up to the retired pensioners of Australia................one minute you want us dead and buried.........AND the next you want to write to us??
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    2:06pm
    I like Rudd's idea better . sending cheques to the dead and buried.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:10pm
    Funny. I see your point tia-maria.
    ANONYMOUS
    19th Jun 2014
    11:59am
    Tony Abbott does just present like a person of limited intellect, he displays it on the public stage ( with Abottisims like Canadia ) ................. But this is nothing more than a further assault on pensioners intelligence!!!

    We did not get to this age by being stupid, keeping up with information and knowing a con when one is presented .............

    Pensioners are sick to death of all this worry about cuts when we already don't get enough money to live on. A GOLD PLATED ENVELOPE WOULD ONLY SUFFICE AS SOMETHING WE COULD SELL AND BURN THE CONTENTS TO KEEP WARM!!!!!!!!

    YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR PATRONISING LETTER DON'T YOU!!!
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    1:09pm
    Suggestion to survive--- Stop drinking, stop eating crap food, stop smoking, stop gambling. Go to the beach, it costs nothing. Go for a walk and get off your over fed fat chuff. That will make you feel better (no cost) Stop moaning, it makes you feel worse. Think how good it is to be alive. Breathe in the fresh air. And thank Tony Abbott for his nice letter. Wish him well. Now I bet you feel normal again.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    3:29pm
    Dog's Body: Anonymous looks to me like he/she loves nature, has fingers with no nicotine visible, and they appear to be neither thin nor fat?
    There was a food eaten by the Royal Navy consisting of dried peas and eggs boiled in a bag called 'Pease Pudding" early in the 19th Century the poor sailors (those at the bottom of the rung) referred to it as "Dog's Body" food, obviously the top ranking officials didn't have to succumb to it.
    It's not entirely derogatory as it is used by many as a call sign or handle.
    Douglas Bader the 2nd World War fighter pilot also used it.

    Dogs Body we all need to "More Than Survive" and we just can't keep tarring posters to this website with the paintbrush that they should give up drinking, eating crap food, smoking, gambling etc. going to the beach if they possibly can't even walk. Not everyone is equal. Not everyone drinks (hopefully they do drink water at least), eats junk food, smokes and gambles etc. Not every one is over- fed fat chuffs! Not everyone can go to the beach if they can't walk for instance.
    Tony Abbott or Centrelink if it turns out to be them that sends the letter should not waste their time and our money on it. He should face the groundswell of opposition be it pensioners, welfare recipients, uni students, health workers, and whoever else in a public televised debate on commercial television and/or the ABC's Q&A. After all, Joe Hockey faced an audience on Q&A as did Julia Gillard.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:11pm
    Tony Abbott apparently is quite an embarrassment to the nation. I hope that he goes one way or the other as we need a leader working for the nation, not the rich.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    9:23am
    Well Mick, you seem to me to be a one eyed Labor man and nothing I can tell you will change that. Think of Krudd or Gillard and now Shorten. You could never compare them with Abbott. Tony is a fire fighter and life saver. Imagine Shorten trying to save anyone. He would run the other way. So despite what you say, Tony leaves them all for dead. A real man with principles. He has all of Australia in mind not just the rich. We are all rich as long as we have our health. Stop being a poor me !!!!!
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:10am
    Dogs Body: so sorry to disappoint you. Read some of my comments above. I repeat I NEVER vote either Labor or Liberal because both sides are toxic. You on the other hand appear to be missing something or simply a troll put onto this discussion site to support the government. If this is the case how much are the bastards paying you to ignore the facts and support the most dishonest, deceitful government I can remember in my lifetime?
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    10:29am
    Frank: Your forgot to mention that Tony is a bike rider?
    How about that famous saying: "On Your Bike Mate"?
    Fire fighting, life saving, bike riding, count for nothing. Governing is what he was elected to do.
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    10:59am
    How patronising of you Dogs Body, not every pensioner drinks, smokes or gambles, I find this comment of yours offensive, please apologise, and maybe if you came down from your Ivory Tower or Penthouse or whatever elevated life you lead and spoke to a few pensioners you and KSS and Grannie might have a better understanding of how difficult it is for some people to manage on their pensions.
    Ozetwo
    20th Jun 2014
    1:06pm
    To Dogs Body...... Tony is that you? Or are you still in Canadia.
    Kato
    20th Jun 2014
    6:35pm
    Dogs Body. you forgot his cape. give yourself a good backhander. by gosh you sound smitten with your leader? or are we a mirror image. nausea ad infinitum.
    Kato
    19th Jun 2014
    12:01pm
    an absolute insult to pensioners and the taxpaying public in general. if after the budget explanation on the night, plus all the rhetoric since, plus question time, and lets be frank here we are still not being told the full truth as to how far these cuts and penalties to pensioners are going to go and continue while these liars are in power, a broken promise a ,lie, are exactly that. before the election. and he needs to spend over half a million of taxpayers and pensioner's money to do it. can anyone tell me when the voting public were told that they were going to lose there concessions. Tony Abbott is a pathological liar, and a sociopath, make no mistake.
    Dukki
    19th Jun 2014
    12:02pm
    Wat a waste of money, time n energy, I bet it will cost more than 50$ per letter. Money that would hve been better in my pocket,
    ray from Bondi
    19th Jun 2014
    12:03pm
    he can find money to spend sending useless letters but nothing for the needy, but then that is the way of the far right
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:14pm
    Government at all levels and waste go hand in hand. Throw in unaccountability and contempt and you pretty well caste politicians in their true light. Unlike the rest of us if they run out of money they just take more. Sounds more like a casino to me than a group of people trying to run a nation in the interests of all players.
    If politicians were not protected from prosecution in the parliament most of them would be in prison for fraud.
    AussieTuca
    19th Jun 2014
    12:05pm
    If I respond to this letter, if there is one, will my letter arrive at Mr. Abbott desk? Will he read it? Will I be jailed for that?
    Sorry about the paranoia but because I think our democracy is a mith and they only have to admit we have a disguised totalitarian system where we, the people, think that we have some weight in our opinions, dream on, I might be afraid to say what I really think about their budget in a letter that could be used in a court of law...
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    2:09pm
    According to the News.com.au article Kaye Fallick refers to above it states:
    "It is believed initial discussions within the government suggest the letter comes from CENTRELINK rather than the politicians because the CENTRELINK AGENCY might have more credibility!!!!!"
    Marise Payne, the Human Services Minister also adds her comments and what she says is nothing more than what we already know, the language doesn't exactly fit the criteria.
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    4:11pm
    I was told never to believe what is written in the Murdoch press because he is a big Abbott fan.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    4:49pm
    No way ever would I buy a Murdoch paper. How could you possibly believe everything written when the man owns three-quarters of all newspapers in Oz. However in order to read what was written under Kaye Fallick's comment of go to News.com.au above, the article refers to what Abbott's team are telling him they are being faced with, i.e. hostilities from the pensioners and they think the letter should come from Centrelink and not Abbott, as Centrelink has more credibility. I think that's priceless.
    JOHN T
    19th Jun 2014
    12:05pm
    pm Abbot seems to think pensioners are there to be lied to no different to the rest of the people surely a carbon tax that is helping reduce the carbon in the atmosphere and also generates capital that could be used to relieve medicare expenses is worth while keeping?
    please do not believe the spin this Government is trying to sell

    19th Jun 2014
    12:09pm
    Stop moaning after Krudd and Gillard destroyed Australia financially. We are all well off in this land of milk and honey. Count you blessings and all that matters is your health. No one goes hungry in this top heavy welfare country. God help the taxpayers propping up all the dead wood this country has develloped. You all sound like a mob of communists.
    tia-maria
    19th Jun 2014
    1:11pm
    Dogs-Body
    Are you for real???????????Kevin Rudd kept us out of a recession
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    2:09pm
    mmm, pitty that he lacked labor values.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    2:12pm
    He also ran us into billions of dollars in debt. That is why things are like they are now. Anyway I hope you digested the rest of my contribution.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    4:23pm
    And, Dogs Body we don't have people covered in newspapers sleeping on park benches, and people queueing up for food parcels, and women and men in refuges. No, they are only a figment of our imagination? It is no longer a land of milk and honey, the milk is currently off to china and the honey is now not honey anymore. Go to your supermarket shelf and see where some of it is coming from. One lot has recently been analysed and there is not one shred of honey in the jar. Its a substituted look alike. Another has a giant map of Australia with VICTORIA emblazoned on it - suggesting in comes from Victoria, Australia, but the fine print says PRODUCT OF TURKEY.
    Count your blessings you say, all that matters is your health, you say ....no one goes hungry in this top heavy welfare country!
    In my opinion the taxpayers of yesterday including ourselves propped up this country for the likes of current pensioners and those even needier than us as well as for progress of our country. We were a lot better off in those days than we are today. The politicians of yesteryear managed the country's finances a lot better than today's lot, who sell off our hard-earned assets and businesses today are run entirely without any thought for anyone but themselves and shareholders. Businesses had better working relations with their employees, we never needed the likes of Work Choices etc. a hand-shake was good enough. Now, these businesses and their executives, can all rub shoulders together and charge onward and upward with their three word slogan ... Greed, Greed, Greed.

    The words to ABBA's well known song, Money, Money, Money, Lot's of Money in a Rich Man's World is very appropriate for those who don't have a job, a home, etc.
    What about those who earned basic wages all their life, raised families, strived to buy homes with only one breadwinner, no superannuation with jobs until the 1990's went to wars, I can just hear them singing: I work all night, I work all day to pay the bills I have to pay - Aint it sad - And still there never seems to be a single penny left for me - this is bad - In my dreams I have a plan If I get me a wealthy man, I would not have to ask at all, I'd fool around and have a ball ..............
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:18pm
    Same poster. Same crap. Uninformed as usual.
    Do yourself a big big favour Dogs Body: tomorrow ring the Treasury and ask how much debt the government had when Labor left and how much the current crew have racked up. And then come back onto this site and deliver your findings. But please stop spouting the same garbage without checking your facts.
    rtrish
    19th Jun 2014
    12:12pm
    If the PM sends me a snail mail letter, I will probably send it right back, along with my thoughts on the matter. This is an enormous waste of money which will definitely not make me think any differently about the cruel, disastrous and unfair proposed Budget measure. In fact, it will make me even more enraged.
    bartpcb
    19th Jun 2014
    12:19pm
    What the PM and his cohorts are afraid of, is that the pensioners and all their grey power friends will vote his nasty little backside out of office. Now he's going to try and spin a justification for ripping off the vulnerable who have no control over their disposable incomes. He will appeal along the lines of 'we all have to make sacrifices', 'Your country needs you', 'Your grandchildren need you to sacrifice to make a better country for them" and finally 'Do it for Jesus'. Yes well, "tell it to the marines".
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:22pm
    AS I keep saying: be smart. Vote for a good Independent in your area and vote both sides out. Make sure to tell all of your friends ans suggest they might do the same. This is the medicine to fix the disease.
    And if there is not a worthy Independent then consider voting informal and writing on your ballot paper that "both sides of politics are corrupt and will not get my vote". That will get them excited if a few hundred people do likewise and it will send the strongest of all messages that people have had enough of the bastardry.
    Kathleen
    19th Jun 2014
    12:25pm
    The letter is to gauge their chances of reelection! Buckleys!
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    3:09pm
    Since Libs/Nats are leading in the polls, I would expect them to fly in if an election was held.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:04pm
    Dogs Body: Is that what your boss told you to say. You are full of it. The polls tell a different story. And Labor and the Greens are begging for another election. Add to that the fact that Julie Bishop (the one who was almost lynched at another university campus she had the hide to visit) stated yesterday "just because we can call a double dissolution doesn't mean we will" after months of intimidation from your Fuhrer who has made the threat/promise. Bring it on. Then you will be out of a job.
    Teekyweeks
    19th Jun 2014
    12:33pm
    Definitely a case of lipstick on a pig. I do not want taxpayers money spent on this ridiculous marketing ploy.
    chewbacca
    19th Jun 2014
    12:36pm
    seems to me when their are 23 million people population in Australia, and only 2 million pensioners what is the problem, Look after your own country first
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:27pm
    This government goes far beyond pensioners. The current government is not only transferring wealth to the rich but it is sabotaging a whole pile of things which are in place and either begining to work or good for the long term viability of the nation.
    I agree with the good of the nation first but do not be conned by Abbott and his deceitful front bench. These people are not patriots of any sort and 4 years of voting against EVERY BILL from the previous government should be enough to understand that Abbott is a wrecking ball who is hurting this nation much more than any supposed bad management from the previous government ever could.

    19th Jun 2014
    12:37pm
    Here's a good one:-

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqPezBQIAAAxXxH.jpg
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:37pm
    Good link. I thought that this was in the US as I have seen even worse in 'the land of the free'.
    What is clear is that worldwide the rich are ever more plundering the poor whilst claiming that they'll be broke. its a familiar game. You'll see it occur in Australia whenever there is a National Wage Case and the lowest paid get an increase of $10 a week. What the captains of industry who claim that they'll go broke never say is that their salaries never go up by lots of 1% but rather in lots of 10-20%. This is how it works. Take from the most defenceless as they generally will roll over and not take action.
    patrick
    19th Jun 2014
    12:39pm
    Easy for those guys earning megabucks in govt to
    pick on the needy, a letter won't make any
    Difference, lets hope the budget doesn't pass.
    Govt needs to rethink budget and find alternatives
    Or they won't be in govt next election.
    Reeper
    19th Jun 2014
    12:47pm
    Bit of a moot point isnt it - until the letter is received, read and understood there is only the answer the opposition would have us believe
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    3:07pm
    More crap from the opposition. Is that all shorten can do.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    5:52pm
    The only crap I can see is from you. No discussion. No facts. No logic. No truth. Just trolling.
    Kato
    20th Jun 2014
    7:38pm
    Dogs Body your lipstick has smeared.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    12:54pm
    In Kaye's comment above she suggests go to News.com.au (click on the blue writing)and read more. I did, and there is a video there to click and play from Brisbane's "Wake Up" programme with an 85 year old Pensioner asking Tony Abbott a question on the budget. It went viral yesterday on twitter at No. 3. It's worth a look for a good laugh.
    jfs43
    19th Jun 2014
    12:54pm
    because Bill said so it is????don't think so...
    Doc
    19th Jun 2014
    12:59pm
    Would have been better if , when in opposition, they had sent the letter out.
    whatsupdok
    19th Jun 2014
    1:00pm
    To Auroa6, get a life, he has a right to shout even if he doesn't know he is.
    Young Simmo
    19th Jun 2014
    1:36pm
    I can't wait to get this letter so, I can wipe a smear of Vegemite in the middle of it, and send it back to where it came from.
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    1:40pm
    The Power of Pinstripes (part quote from blacklapel.com.au):

    " .... Pinstripes may be the oldest form of suited swagger in a man's wardrobe. Originally inspired by the ledger lines of money-men from counting houses, these vertical stripes were always considered a bold statement of corporate power and affluence. But the days of the traditionally thick widely spaced pinstripes that old school 'fat cats' wore are over. The modern pinstripe is much slimmer and more subtle, making it elegant and refined.
    It is 1920's fashion, regurgitated in the 1980's by bankers and Hollywood actors portraying bankers, which then died a silent death by 'modern' men because of the 'negative' connotations associated with it.
    It is currently trending again and it is stated that the wider stripe you choose, you need to have an equal increase in your confidence .....".

    You can have all the confidence in the world in a pinstriped suit when you bring down a class warfare budget to shoot from the hip and hit the pensioners and the needy with cuts into the unforeseeable future, but at the same time impose company tax cuts, short-term levies, frozen parliamentary wages (frozen wages means less levy payable) and creating more division between mothers with a PPL policy touted for the past six years which still doesn't have its costing and portrays some mothers being more worthy than others, when they are both equal.
    Bring on the double dissolution, i.e. the one quoted by Abbott before the budget, and the one rapidly disappearing into thin air from naturally "Defence" Minister Bishop.

    We are going back in history further than the pinstripe suits of the 1920's to the days of King John and Robin Hood & His Merry Men!!!
    Young Simmo
    19th Jun 2014
    1:43pm
    When I go to my PO Box at the post office and get a political letter, I turn around and open the big green rubbish bin. If there is room I drop my letter in on the 1000s of other political letters. Sometimes the bin is so full the only place to put it is in the letter box to give Aust Post staff something to do, seeing as there are not enough genuine letters these days.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Jun 2014
    1:52pm
    Oh dear, the age of entitlement is alive and well here. The sad fact is it's only going to get worse regardless which political party is in power, So if you think it's bad now, wait until the full lot baby boomers retire. If you can handle it, just do the maths, more people on welfare than employed. The Gen Y's are already asking "why should they support thickheads that didn't provide enough for their retirement during Australia's golden years?"
    Adrianus
    19th Jun 2014
    2:15pm
    Retired Knowall, also why should they support thickheads who don't appreciate the help? Who really cares who does the heavy lifting as long as it gets done.
    Foxy
    19th Jun 2014
    2:32pm
    We - the "baby-boomers" spent mega bucks on the/our Gen Y's to give them a luxurious life that "we" did not have!! lol lol lol
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    4:14pm
    Did the Y-bies ever hear of inflation and social engineering that ruined many a family and many a man.....

    Their turn is yet to come and they will all die in the Rs when they realise their miserable $300K super will only return them less than a pension....

    Who will be blaming THEM then? Gen Z+?
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:43pm
    Foxy: feeling betrayed? After all that baby boomers did for their children, after all the lifestyle which boomers showered on their children we have a situation where some have come at their parents because voomers SAVED money and made a future. I suspect that gen Ys may begin to chase boomers down for their money before we hit the grave. I think that we may have failed our children as many have no understanding other than spending and having a good time, something many boomers did without as they worked hard to biuld a future. Sounds a bit like the generation gap to me. Or more correctly Gremlins (gone wrong).
    carmencita
    19th Jun 2014
    2:08pm
    A waste of taxpayers' money better put to good use to budget black hole. It is a poor leader who could not admit mistakes and even come up with elaborate exercise to sell its mistakes. More so in hiring consultants to formulate policies without anticipating policies' impact on general population.
    douwe26
    19th Jun 2014
    2:23pm
    How come as we get less money we are better off on which planet does Joe live

    19th Jun 2014
    2:27pm
    How kind and thoughtful of Tony to send us all a letter. I can't wait for mine. And will thank him profusely for his kindness. Be grateful and please stop moaning.
    marymacn
    19th Jun 2014
    2:40pm
    I am extremely disappointed in the upcoming changes to the pension if they occur. The fat cats in Canberra who have been voted in in good faith are out of touch and have no heart for the really poor and those struggling to live on the pension now. But will any comment only fall on deaf ears anyhow? Neither party seems to care, the way i see it.
    Penqueen1949
    19th Jun 2014
    3:07pm
    one term tony strikes again......
    btony
    19th Jun 2014
    3:12pm
    And I spose they'll want us to believe the bible too
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:45pm
    Hey...come on. We don't need blasphemy even if you do not believe.
    btony
    20th Jun 2014
    9:11am
    you cant help yourself can you,only your opinion matters as evidenced by the amount of replies you have here
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:13am
    Sorry if this is a passion btony. My mission is to educate and get people to do their own research so that the propaganda from political parties is broken down and so that we get better government, nothing more. I hate the sound of my own voice so apologies if Iwrite too much. Cheers.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    2:59pm
    Mick is Mussitate in disguise. Remember him.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    2:59pm
    Mick is Mussitate in disguise. Remember him.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    5:50pm
    Dogs Body: Me smells a troll.
    unicorn
    19th Jun 2014
    3:37pm
    And they say we waste money!!!How the hell can you explain something that does not need explaining, they give us so much per fortnight and that's what we have to live on no matter who explains it. Even Joe can't explain that one away.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:46pm
    Nothing corrupts like absolute power unicorn. There is no accountability and they do not care.
    kosmo88
    19th Jun 2014
    4:03pm
    I he sending any money with the letter? NH
    doggone
    19th Jun 2014
    4:04pm
    save our money tony, don't waste more on postage for a letter full of spin.
    australians don't deserve your unfair, blighted "budget".
    the letter will go from letterbox to rwcycle bin in one step.
    won't waste my valuable eyesight on rubbish from you.
    noddy45
    19th Jun 2014
    4:04pm
    Best thing to do with this letter as soon as it arrives mark it Return To Sender and put it back in the post box that is what I will be doing.
    Young Simmo
    19th Jun 2014
    6:16pm
    noddy45, As I said earlier, put a smear of Vegemite in the middle and let them imagine where their letter has been.

    19th Jun 2014
    4:11pm
    It's Ok it's Ok....do not be upset.....the charge for the stamp will be deducted from your next Centrelink payment
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2014
    4:15pm
    Oh - well it's all budgeted then! Silly me...

    I'm hoping the letter will be filled with groveling and apologies for the misunderstanding... and here's a fat cheque on me to help you get over the shock.
    doggone
    19th Jun 2014
    4:13pm
    i think noddy45 has a great idea.
    if every pensioner in australia should put "return to sender" on their spin letter from tony.

    19th Jun 2014
    4:27pm
    Most pensioners are the way they are because they have blown their dough.(however some have had bad luck in life) but I have never read so much rubbish from a bunch of whinging losers in my life, be greatful for what you get from the Government remember it is all free and your not on food stamps as you should be.
    retroy
    19th Jun 2014
    4:49pm
    Good for you Robbo, spot on!
    Some one had to say it.
    retroy
    19th Jun 2014
    4:56pm
    Sorry Robo
    MITZY
    19th Jun 2014
    5:00pm
    Who says its free. It's a big big wheel that keeps on turning. Some get on it, some get off it, some pay, some don't. Some contribute in their life time, some don't. However, ROBO, we all PAY in some way or another. Nothing is free, not even the air we breath these days. The air is polluted and some of the polluters pay or get credited, and some of us pay for the polluters. Here we are in the wheel nothing is free so we just keep turning and churning.
    Foxy
    19th Jun 2014
    5:11pm
    Hey Mitzy - didn't Tina Turner sing that???? Big wheel keeps on turning' - Proud Mary keeps on turning' - turning - turning - turning on the river ......- lol - sorry - couldn't resist that!!! :-)
    Young Simmo
    19th Jun 2014
    6:40pm
    ROBO, if that's the best you can do I suggest you log onto,
    WWW.kindegartenkidsareallwaysright@myplace.com.
    Then you wont feel so lonely.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:49pm
    Go to America. Food stamps are the in thing for folk who work full time and cannot feed themselves. That is the work Choices John Howard tried on here. As Hockey said at the end of his budget speech "we're not finished yet" so wait for it.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    9:36am
    Good on you Robbo. Why have Australians become such a disgruntled moaning lot when we are all well looked after. I think the pension is very generous and remember it is coming from the present work force. They don't owe us a living. I feel sorry for the few that have through no fault of their own have fallen on hard times. However the majority are very well looked after. Better than in any other country I know. We are grossly over taxed because of our ridiculous system of state governments plus federal government. We just cannot afford all this duplication, but no one seems to go on about that. We all just accept that as OK. Wake up Australians and get rid of all this swill.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:22am
    "Be grateful for what you get from the government" indeed? Be grateful that Australian society is subsidising the top 1% of society by taking from the bottom? You sound happy to be a slave ROBO. If you want to know where this government is taking us then I suggest you get on a plane and go to the US to see for yourself: food stamps for people in full time work, all but no taxes for the rich, workers on call all day every day of the week, no penalties, no government health system of any merit, hourly rates of pay as low as $9 per hour (they just got a $2 pay rise) and no job security. All this whilst the top 1% of society owns 90% of the entire wealth.
    People are not whinging mate. Hard work deserves reward, but Australians expect a FAIR GO, that's all.
    The recent budget is nothing more than an attack on average Australians with wealth being transferred directly to the richest amongst us. This is no mistake but it has been lied about....what else does one expect from this most deceitful of all governments?
    So by happy getting your crumbs. This is how the conquered behave.
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    11:11am
    ROBBO please read the comment I wrote about DOGS BODY'S REMARKS the same applies to you, OFFENSIVE, PATRONISING, INSULTING please apologise, you lot obviously haven't got a clue about how people live in the real world, please go and talk to SOME REAL PENSIONERS before you make insulting sweeping comments.
    Micky
    19th Jun 2014
    5:15pm
    Mr Abbott, what a waste of money. Why are you not looking after pensioners who have worked hard all their life, paying taxes bring up families and doing it hard most of the time, But instead decorating your own pocket, giving pregnant women up to $50,000 and illegal immigrants 1000 upon 1000's of dollars. When I receive my letter I will be sending it back to you and you can shove it where I can't.I being an Illeostomate you may not know what that means but you can look it up on Google.
    Jill
    19th Jun 2014
    5:19pm
    What a hoax the govt of Australia has perpetrated on the aged pensioners! Shame of them! Pity we have to wait 3 years to get the b... out!
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:50pm
    Sadly manu Australians voted for this government and were gullible enough to believe the promises. The saying goes that we "get the government we deserve".
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    9:39am
    Mick you ignoramous, I hope we never get the sort of government you deserve.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    10:23am
    How much is Abbott paying you to defend him with ignorant tripe Dogs Body?
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    11:03am
    Jill: The pension changes if passed by the Senate do not come into force until July 2017. However, sneakily they have the changes in the budget paper and it will be shortly put before the Senate. I wonder if this means from July 2017 they take effect even though if this government goes it's full term, an election may not occur until the latter half of 2017. If this happens, and there is a change of government, do you think Labor will take steps to change it to how it currently is?
    We pride ourselves in being a country who gives to those less fortunate than ourselves and we are known as the biggest "givers" in times of disastrous natural events, its a pity some of our charity didn't rub off on the rifraf running this country. Oh, sorry, it would be a bit hard for rifraf to comprehend, wouldn't it?
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    2:54pm
    Mick, you are just a labor stooge. Probably paid by some corrupt trade union official.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    5:49pm
    Is this the best you can do? Plagiarism?
    I do not vote Labor or Liberal and I am not paid to troll like you are Dogs Body. You every much look to fit this bill mate, but judging by what people are saying I have to say you are fighting a losing battle.
    moke
    19th Jun 2014
    5:44pm
    I would like to know do the government do anything but waste money. When the head of the Post service receives around $4,000,000 per annum what else can we expect other than those that have already paid their way to have to start paying again. Get those youngsters to work and the tax there would help keep this country afloat and let do some manufacturing here in Oz. instead of importing from the USA products made in China.
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    11:10am
    moke: If the government disposed of that Head of Postal Services forthwith, we could easily still have our 5 days a week once a day delivery. Do you think the government will cut the TWICE-DAILY mail delivery to three days a week for businesses in the capital cities? We even get persecuted by the postal deliveries.
    Anyhow, how can this government say the mail section is losing money and the parcels section is moving forward like a house on fire? Its all the one conglomeration in the end.
    I was of the opinion that this is a "government agency" run by franchises. In the past these type of businesses such as buses, trains, ferries, mail, etc. were run as a
    SERVICE to the nation and not necessarily RUN FOR PROFIT.?? How things keep changing.
    Mar
    19th Jun 2014
    6:23pm
    A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY!!!
    Mar
    19th Jun 2014
    6:51pm
    Absolute insult. Abbott and Hockey are more out of touch with the people than I thought.I agree with "return to sender". Pensioners are older and wiser, not stupid and gullible (the majority of them that is)!!
    Foxy
    19th Jun 2014
    7:09pm
    Well in retrospect we must be "stupid" ok? There are 2.5 mill of us and do we do anything about it? Very rarely! I have often written to local MP's - only to get the "generic" reply.....we need to have a PENSIONER REVOLT - march in the streets - have "sit-ins" jesus - we need to do something!??? :-)
    KSS
    19th Jun 2014
    7:34pm
    Yay! Go the revolting pensioners!
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:54pm
    Foxy: you are coming around. We do need to take a stand. so what do you suggest?
    I have made numerous suggestions that pensioners in every electorate band together and vote for the best Independent sround. If we all did that it would send shock waves through both sides of politics, they would realise tht the your turn/my turn shell game was over and that they had to fix themselves of go the way of the dinosaurs. But I ma sure people will continue on with their favoured party.....and nothing will ever change except the faces. The choice is yours and that of every voter.
    Mar
    19th Jun 2014
    7:19pm
    We do not want a letter full of Porky's and pollution. What we need now is a double dissolution.........
    Misty
    20th Jun 2014
    11:03am
    In our dreams I think Mar, there is unfortunately no way Abbott and Co will go to a D D with the polls the way they are now.
    Mar
    19th Jun 2014
    7:31pm
    Agree with Foxy and Mick. There are 2.4 MILLION of us. Let's all write a snail mail to Mr. Abbott explaining!!! what we think of the changes.
    midnight
    19th Jun 2014
    8:02pm
    What a fabulous idea. Imagine him having to then employ staff to wade through our letters. Or having to pay for a skip to dump our mail into. mmmm. I wonder which option he would choose?
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:57pm
    midnight: if Abbott got even half a million letters the media would go beserk and Abbott would be underno illusion that pensioners were going to vote him out. Believe me when I say that such a swing would see Abbott and many of his malicious deceitful front bench gone.
    That is what you do when you throw out the trash!!
    Grateful
    20th Jun 2014
    9:39am
    If you are opposed to this letter just mark it return to sender and post it back.
    Cost you nothing and would represent a very strong message.
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2014
    11:20am
    Mar: If this letter is coming to us from CentreLink instead of Abbott, as suggested in that article Kaye Fallick refers to above, he is already scared. That article indicates that the MPs from various electorates are being bombarded with angry pensioners and they (the MPs) feel the letter should come from CentreLink because THEY HAVE MORE CREDIBILITY to explain things????
    I will write to my newly appointed Coalition MP Dr. Peter Hendy to express my views but it would be better if the national pensioners associations and even Your Life Choices got petitions running which we signed via their websites.
    One of the pensioner associations was recently stating that they are practically being gagged by the government to keep a low profile because their funding will be withdrawn if they say too much.

    IF YOU AGREE THAT WE NEED A PETITION, WHY DON'T YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY ASK YOUR LIFE CHOICES TO SET ONE IN MOTION?
    Misty
    21st Jun 2014
    9:33am
    MITZY we need a petition site that will reach a wider audience then Life Choices as not all pensioners have computers, maybe one in the Seniors Paper would help also as well as change.org.au, anyone have any other ideas?.
    midnight
    19th Jun 2014
    8:01pm
    Obviously the Prime Minister considers that the elderly are inarticulate, senile, dumb, incapable of reading, and thus needing to have funds wasted on document design, postage, letter heads, envelopes, staff to process etc. How fabulous that would have been had it gone to schools and hospitals. No, it doesn't make me appreciate him any more. In fact, it enrages and insults me.
    MICK
    19th Jun 2014
    11:58pm
    Abbott considers everybody to be a weal fool and able to be told what to do. Even the senate was told how they were to vote. A leagacy from his time in the priesthood maybe.
    bookwyrm
    20th Jun 2014
    4:55am
    This country is going to the dogs under Abbott. Australia Post turns a tidy profit so why shouldn‘t subsidize the letters section. Also parcels are the future and need to be delivered. In the UK the post is delivered six days a week. The Abbott Government is bonkers! You never know what they are going to come up with next but you can guarantee it‘s going to be something nasty...
    Teunis
    20th Jun 2014
    7:47am
    Cuts are one thing but why should I have to feel guilty about getting the aged pension (or a part pension)
    Teunis
    20th Jun 2014
    7:47am
    Cuts are one thing but why should I have to feel guilty about getting the aged pension (or a part pension)
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    5:45pm
    Because this government needs to send it to the big end of town to pay for its election victory? I suggest so.

    20th Jun 2014
    9:44am
    Pensioners unite ----- Get rid of all the state governments and there will be lots of funds to increase the pension. Why can't pensioners see this. Duplication everywhere.
    Ozetwo
    20th Jun 2014
    1:29pm
    and dyslexic pensioners untie! We do have one too many layers of government. Congratulations Dogs Body you have finally provided a post that is correct and at the same time proven the infinite monkey theorem.
    Kato
    20th Jun 2014
    6:27pm
    Pensioners unite ----- Get rid of the Federal government, and let the states control themselves under the direction of the Govener General. there will be lots of funds to increase the pension. Why can't pensioners see this. Duplication everywhere.
    speakup
    20th Jun 2014
    10:03am
    Mr Hockey may not be in the position he is in today if it wasn't for the previous generations that made it possible for his education and his parents being able to afford it .What he is doing now to the elderly ,low income earners and unemployed in Australia is similar to giving his parents a good hiding.Plus their is nothing in the Budget that is going to affect the life style of the PUBLIC SERVANTS that the Australian Tax Payers have given them
    Kathleen
    20th Jun 2014
    10:37am
    Good one speakup! Never thought about what that meant about Hockey and his parents. We learn our values early in life. He also forgot who he was when as a young student he protested about students'paying fees. Abbott would be a similar story. Very sad indeed!
    wally
    20th Jun 2014
    11:59am
    Same old opinions from the same old usual suspects. Come back, Mussitate. All is forgiven.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2014
    2:49pm
    Methinks Mick is Mussitate in disguise.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2014
    5:44pm
    Methinks people who possess double digit intelligence can debate THE FACTS rather than party propaganda.
    So are you working for Abbott inc Dogs Body or not? And how much are you being paid? And did you do as I suggested and ring the Treasury to find out the government debt from Labor (as it left office) and this government (as of now). That's one not even your boss would want to debate as it gives the true picture.
    So troll on ye of little credibility.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2014
    7:08am
    Poor old Mick/Mussitate Nothing to do and all day to do it in. When are you going to come up with some common sense. Sick of the drivel.
    Mar
    20th Jun 2014
    5:13pm
    MITZY. I have already sent emails to federal and state governments and signed one petition. I would welcome a LifeChoices petition. I agree with you that now is the time to make our voices heard through this media. Let's have an Aussie Pensioners Petition!!!,
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    8:57am
    Mar. Good idea. This is a start. MITZY, Mar, mick, misty, midnight and moke. Did I leave anyone out? I'll get in touch with the media outlets, mick you organise the Independents. MITZY you can lead the rally. PHWOA!!!! I'm excited!!!
    Misty
    21st Jun 2014
    9:19am
    I can't wait to send this insulting letter back, I have written to Labor and Get Up and asked them for something on Facebook we can forward on, to get this letter returned to the PM with pertinent comments on the back.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    10:24am
    Walk my way, and a thousand violins begin to play.
    Misty
    21st Jun 2014
    10:38am
    In tune I hope Frank.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    5:58pm
    Can't you see that you're leading me on?
    Adrianus
    22nd Jun 2014
    1:45pm
    Misty there are a number of versions but I think the Johnny Mathis version is by far the best even just as an instrumental.
    Misty
    23rd Jun 2014
    10:27am
    I probably have that one packed away somewhere in the attic or basement Frank.

    21st Jun 2014
    10:32am
    BET they get lots of addresses WRONG...ha ha.... most likely send letters to folks who are deceased......hee, hee
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    1:28pm
    Maybe that's why it is being sent by Centerlink. If this letter doesn't wake the dead then their pension will be stopped. In the UK the problem was out of hand. Twice as many bad backs over there. When the government wrote to welfare recipients asking them to show cause 30% dropped off the teet.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2014
    4:20pm
    Centrelink has been known to pay the pension to the dead, many times relatives collect the payment. It's happened a lot and I reckon there are many dead still being paid....HEE HEE..so funny
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2014
    4:22pm
    My cat passed a way and I'm thinking of getting him on the DSP......lol
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2014
    5:55pm
    The dead have even voted at elections. Funny, its always for labor? That is an untapped part of the electorate for other parties.
    We2
    21st Jun 2014
    3:23pm
    It is nothing but a waste of money. When is Abbot and Co going to cut their wages? If its good enough for us to get less, why not them?
    Kato
    21st Jun 2014
    4:01pm
    The letter should be sent back with a white feather, To use Centre Link and there staff makes it appear that it does not come from them, Abbott and Hockey and co, despicable cowardice,
    and downright Un\Australian .and as our leader is fond of saying it is not the Australian way.
    Adrianus
    23rd Jun 2014
    10:05am
    I am trying hard to understand? Why so much anger about pensions? I thought the pension increased from March 2014? I know many people retire in luxury on the aged pension by going to live overseas in places like Vietnam and they will have a cut if they are overseas residents. I just had a look at the rates, wow!! A single aged pensioner gets $21,913, and a couple $33,036. If you lived in Vietnam or Greece you could afford to save half of that money.
    Misty
    23rd Jun 2014
    10:25am
    Well Frank it may be NEWS to you but we don't want to live in Vietnam or Greece, you however are welcome to go to either of those countries if you so wish.
    Adrianus
    23rd Jun 2014
    10:57am
    It makes a lot of sense though if there is such a high level of hatred and dissatisfaction by pensioners regarding the Australian lifestyle and values? The pensioners in Greece retaliated and rallied against a government plan to increase the aged pension age from 55 to 60. They were outraged to the point of street violence and property damage. I guess they had no choice. Where could they go to get a better deal? Certainly not Australia. However, many Greeks do go back to live permantley while receiving an Ozi pension. Can we afford this?
    Young
    23rd Jun 2014
    6:22pm
    A letter needs to be sent after all the misinformation put out by the A B C and other media.
    We live in a paradise and need to put on the reins.We want everything.My niece works n a hospital and says the emergency section is clogged up ,especially on a Monday with mothers bringing in children with minor complaints instead of going to the Doctor.When we shop we see those who criticise this government filling their trolleys with coke,ready made meals,frozen everything and then going to the wine and grog area.Watch Channel nine tonight and see how to economise.A family lives in $290 a month for groceries and there is four of them.We are so lucky to live in Australia and need to forget the whinging.
    Misty
    25th Jun 2014
    10:40am
    The PM and JH need to reorganise the budget to make it more fair, start looking at PP Leave and high income super for a start, big business and miners need to pay their fair share of tax too, the low income earners and pensioners should not be the only ones targeted. I wonder if the town that your daughter works in is like ours, you can very rarely get a Dr's APPOINTMENT HERE AT SHORT NOTICE and are usually told to go to the Emergency Department at the local hospital instead, some towns you have to make an appointment weeks ahead, Cessnock and Lithgow and Cooma are a few I can mention, I know this from family members and my own experience. By the way Charlie don't lump pensioners and low income earners all together, we don't all drink coke, eat frozen meals or go to the alcohol department, anyway with tablets, IPads, IPhones most people these days know exactly what is going on in politics and can give an educated reason for complaining or to put it in your words WHINGING.
    Not Senile Yet!
    24th Jun 2014
    10:41pm
    A letter?......doesn't he know that Australia Post is re-organizing.....going computerised....saving paper....getting rid of more employees!
    They want to charge you to get mail.....have a mail box......charge you yep charge you for your mail......no not the one you send......but also the ones you receive.......by email or on paper.
    It's called one more step to privatised mail......yep....they are gunna flog off good old Aussi Post to the highest bidder as well!
    When they go republic they'll want the stars & stripes to replace the union jack on the flag at the rate their going.
    Did you know that if our fore-fathers were aware of how the Party Machines would corrupt the Australian Constitution......they would have outlawed them!
    But they couldn't foresee them doing so! Little mistake?
    Not so....they counted on you & I not getting sucked into their False Promises.....they counted on you & I to see them for what they are.....corruption of the Voting System!
    STOP GIVING THEM YOUR VOTE.
    As for the letter......their broke remember.....they renege on that idea pretty quick once the estimate cost is shown to them!
    raymondp
    25th Jun 2014
    10:05am
    If he sends one to me he will get it back "Return to Sender" the pig.
    Not Senile Yet!
    25th Jun 2014
    6:07pm
    Charlie....that's what your research is....a Current Affair.....the show that attacks everyone by telling only half...their carefully edited half....so as to sensational and marginalize......They are so biased it amazes me people fall for that Crap! Catch a couple doing this on the Dole or Welfare.....and that translates into everyone is rorting the system......baaah...phooey,,,, As for the Family succeeding in finding ways to save.....Oh I bet they are reasonably educated.....something this Government does not want.......because that was the first thing removed in the budget....funding for education everywhere! Keep them dumb and illiterate is the Liberal way.....then they will be too desperate to argue about what we are doing.
    How do we become the Smart Country by Withdrawing funding to Education???
    Switch the TV off Mate and do some real research!!


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