Pay rise and tax cut sees politicians’ salaries soar

Politicians have received, with immediate effect, a two per cent pay increase.

$100 bill windfall

Politicians will immediately receive a two per cent pay increase, the independent Remuneration Tribunal announced last Thursday.

The tribunal noted that it had received an increased number of submissions calling for a pay rise “based at least in part on private sector remuneration”.

The average cabinet minister will see their pay increase to $350,209, while opposition MPs will receive a salary of $253,775. Backbencher MPs will enjoy an increase of $3980, with their salaries moving to $203,020 a year.

The Prime Minister, who already received a healthy $517,504, will now be paid $527,852 a year, while Treasurer Scott Morrison’s salary will rise to $380,662. Opposition Leader Bill Shorten also received a salary bonus, with his annual pay increasing to $375,587.

This is only the third pay rise politicians have received since 1 July 2013, and the tribunal noted that public service office holders often receive lower salaries than those in the private sector as they “serve for the public good”.

In making its decision, the tribunal looked at wage growth, pay rises for public servants, budget position and the general state of the economy. It stated: "The tribunal considers it important that remuneration for offices in its jurisdiction be maintained at appropriate levels over the longer term to attract and retain people of the calibre required for these important high level offices.

"The tribunal is conservative in its approach to annual increases and in this case is conscious of the government's policy of wage restraint for the Australian Public Service and non-Australian Public Service government agencies."

The pay rise comes just a week before the end of the Budget Repair Levy, which will see high income earners receive a two per cent tax cut on income they receive over $180,000 per year. This means that based on their politician’s salary, cabinet ministers will receive an extra $3404 per year and the Prime Minster an additional $6957 a year.

Read the 2017 Annual Review at remuneration.gov.au

Read more at smh.com.au

Opinion: Pensioners struggle while politicians party

While justification for the increase enjoyed by politicians may, on the face of it seem reasonable, there’s no question that the perks enjoyed by politicians far outweigh any salary.

A two per cent salary increase is only part of the tale. Also released at the same time as the tribunal’s findings, was the list of expenses claimed by politicians past and present. John Howard is the biggest spending ex Prime Minister, with travel and office costs of $150,000 for the six months to December 2016. Malcolm Turnbull spent more than half a million dollars on overseas travel during the same time, with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop spending $300,000.

Frontbencher Dan Tehan had the biggest internet and phone bill at $12,000 and former MPs racked up $115,000 worth of domestic flights in just six months using their Life Gold Pass.

All these expenses, pay rise and tax cuts paints a very rosy picture of life as a politician, and let’s not forget the remuneration that many receive due to their own business interests and seats they hold on the boards of private companies. It is, indeed, in stark contrast to the increases ‘enjoyed’ by those on the Age Pension – the people the country’s budget can afford to keep paying a pension to.

The last Age Pension increase saw a single person on a full Age Pension receive an extra $10.40 per fortnight or $270.40 per year. Throw in the increase to the pension Supplement and you can call it $310.60. Hardly a bumper pay day for those most in need.

In figures about to be released in YourLifeChoices July Retirement Affordability Index, we know that pensioners are certainly feeling the pinch, especially on housing costs and power bills. Yet our politicians continue to be able to afford two, three or even more houses when some people can’t even afford one.

What do you think? Do politicians deserve their pay increases? Should the Budget Repair Levy have been kept under Budget 2017/18? Would it be a better use of budget money to increase the Age Pension, where every dollar received is likely to be a dollar spent in the local economy? 

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    Hobbit
    26th Jun 2017
    10:12am
    Pigs with their snouts in the trough.
    Whatever politicians consider affordable and right for the general public, should be what applies to them. No extras.
    Troubadour
    26th Jun 2017
    11:37am
    and that's for sure - they get more than is adequate for what they do. Also I think a cut to their retirement entitlements would help the country's coffers too. They expect us to 'cut back on our expenditure' and we only live modestly - so they should do likewise - if they are fair and honest as they keep telling us all they are.
    GeorgeM
    26th Jun 2017
    12:07pm
    Agree, Hobbit.

    Other than the PM and Ministers (other than the useless Julie Bishop), no one else seems to do any "..public good", so there is no justification for their fat salaries. Haven't we all seen the moron backbenchers giggling or sleeping during Question hour on TV, also the moronic questions / laughter from Opposition / Govt MPs when they are supposed to be working?

    I support TREBOR's call below that politicians ".salaries should be halved immediately, and they be put on a performance based bonus annually, and that perks be on a proven cost basis refund, while retirement package be put on the same basis as everyone else.".
    moke
    27th Jun 2017
    1:50pm
    I wonder how one of the PIGS would be after six months on the basic pension and I mean just the pension no side benefits. Many older pensioners did not have the benefit of Superannuation and if they own their own house, Council rates, water rates, electricity then Pharmacy, Dental and Optometry etc and Doctors bills, I know many doctors will not bulk bill anyone and there is often no alternative. What happened to a level playing field, seems like the mountain compared to the ditch. I am glad I did not vote for the PIGS of today.
    Nan Norma
    26th Jun 2017
    10:12am
    Of course they deserve a rise as they “serve for the public good” in the same way the Japanese kill whales for science research.
    ZIPPY51
    26th Jun 2017
    10:18am
    No pay rises for politicians. They should have a pay cut of at least 25%, and a performance review every 6 months performed by their electorate as they do in Switzerland.If they get less than 50% they are kicked out and replaced. Most of them are dismal failures (both Liberal and Labor) and have been instrumental in ruining this country. We urgently need a Donald Trump to drain the swamp
    Kaz
    26th Jun 2017
    11:10am
    Sounds good except for the Trump part - he's just making his own swamp
    Turvey
    26th Jun 2017
    11:13am
    Well said Zippy51, I endorse your comments whole heartedly except for the last sentence. A Donald Trump attitude is too much too inflict on any country.
    Knight Templar
    26th Jun 2017
    11:53am
    Agree totally Zippy51. One Donald Trump to drain the Canberra swamp would be ideal. Make Australia Great Again!
    Sen.Cit.90
    26th Jun 2017
    12:17pm
    Spot on Zippy51, I totally agree; the Switzerland comment is an opinion I've commented on a few times. I know very little about Donald Trump except the fact he is being trashed by the media with whom he has fallen foul of.
    GeorgeM
    26th Jun 2017
    1:31pm
    Spot on Zippy51, including the need for a Trump-like force to drive a new path & drain the swamp in Canberra.
    Given our Parliamentary system is different, that can only happen if we become a Republic and elect a President to run the country similar to the USA.
    As that may take time, in the meantime, I have suggested in another comment below how we need to turf out all sitting MPs, i.e. our own method of draining the swamp (partially) at the next election.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    1:53pm
    Trouble is that complacency is rife in Australia and too many people don't care about the future of this once great country. Governments past and present have made so many dependent on " handouts" from the day they were born, that they have to be drip-fed to survive. They have become zombies.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:15pm
    Love it Zippy51. Needs to happen. Now we know why Switzerland is properly governed and is prospering.
    crazypete
    26th Jun 2017
    3:08pm
    I very much agree with you as they are the biggest rip off artists around as they do not care about anyone but them selves.
    Farside
    27th Jun 2017
    12:12am
    Be careful what ye wish for lest your wish comes true. The grass is not always greener but that said there is plenty of headroom for improving performance of our politician's. There is no need for a pay cut as the remuneration is appropriate for the role. The issue is whether incumbent politicians are adequately scrutinised and performing to an acceptable standard or should be released to gardening leave.
    Roller53
    30th Jun 2017
    4:56pm
    Most polititians chose that field because thay can't make it in the "real world" where they would actually have to earn their salary."
    disillusioned
    26th Jun 2017
    10:26am
    These people have plunged our country further into the red, yet they get pay rise? If they were not in the public sector, they'd get fired, or laid off at least. And this "independent" Remuneration Tribunal - yeah, right! Does anyone actually believe that the pollies' fingers aren't all over that one? And just at the time when our lowest paid workers are losing their penalty rates! Disgusting!!
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:25pm
    To add insult to injury, disillusioned, the get a 2% tax cut as well. It's no wonder we are sliding down the Transparency International Corruption Scale.
    We've dropped 6 places in 4 years we're now 13th.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:16pm
    So where is the regular BS about Labor and debt? The trolls cannot go there because their own party has created real debt when there is no GFC to blame.
    marto
    26th Jun 2017
    10:31am
    Its about time we retirees standup and be counted stop complaining and lets have our voice heard in the right places I have had a gut full of these bludgers and scum bags its now time for real action no more idle talk a delegation to canberra is the only way and we must do it now no more standing by and letting these scum bags treat us like sh*t if they can get a pay rise then all pay rises should be tied to their system no ifs or butts are you with me or will you just lie day and continue to be kicked in the guts its your choice or for ever hold you peace
    Alexii
    26th Jun 2017
    11:29am
    Join the seniors united party australia ( SUPA), Marty.
    GeorgeM
    26th Jun 2017
    12:00pm
    Absolutely agree, marto. Action is needed.
    As I have noted before, Alexii, a retiree voting group sounds great, however most candidates who support retirees seem unlikely to win.

    In view of the preferential voting system, I suggest after voting one for your "retiree supporting candidate", the next preference should go to the candidate most likely to challenge the favoured candidate, and the last to the sitting candidate - to make sure the latter loses. That should get rid of all sitting leeches also with their fat pensions, then maybe they will start listening. The retiree group is large enough to make a difference, especially in all marginal seats.
    greatgolly
    26th Jun 2017
    12:37pm
    Fine, all fine, except I have been a member of 3 pensioner groups and they all faded into oblivion; there is and only ever will be one way out, and that is an outright rebellion, but at this time, I don't know who could lead such a thing!

    Shops are easy, everyone just stops buying from them for a month or two, that would make them think about their lost money; electricity, everyone just go back to the old times with kero lamps, better still, just pretend we are all camping and we don't need electricity, there is no answer unless everyone is on the same page and I can't see that happening!

    Just look at the public purse for example, councillors get paid a salary and perks, state polies get salaries and perks, federal polies get salaries and perks, and has anyone ever added all that up; sorry, I wouldn't know where to start but it would give me a heart attack if I knew!

    We need to abolish state governments and make them councils with councillors that do it to serve the public and not to rip them off but yes they get out of pocket expenses. Federally they get a base salary plus out of pocket expenses, salary being basic and I mean basic $2K a week, now this is where it hurts, everyone which includes pensioners, all get the same income of $1K per week, this will be easily affordable from one state's savings alone. Big business cannot take profits out of Australia and produce and products are firstly made available for Australian use first and only excesses are exported. Now, this is where you are going to hate me, we bring back corporal and capital punishment and every youth aged 18 will do 2 years national service in either of our forces; driving licenses and the right to drink alcohol, a person must be over 21 years of age, with exception to those serving in the armed forces. Jail means jail, if a criminal is found guilty without reasonable doubt and is given a sentence for the crime, he/she will serve that full sentence, and parole will be abolished.

    I really could go on, but I'm sure someone out there will have already come to the result that I should be hung, drawn, and quartered. The gap between the rich and the poor is already too great and the wealthy put their wealth on full display, just for the poor to see, that is beyond cruel; finally, only Australians can own anything in Australia, we have sold our country out to anyone in the world that will pay, we need to look after our own first and foremost; there is so much more to say, but I for one have already hopefully put some fuel to the fire!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:19pm
    Been saying that for ages. The trouble is existing parties are not proactive and waiting to members rather than doing aggressive marketing.
    Also retirees treat politics like a football game rather than a battle. You know the old saying: united we stand, dived we fall. By all means vote for your footie team but be happy with being done over. Your fault retirees!
    crazypete
    26th Jun 2017
    3:12pm
    Look it makes no different who we put in they are all the same out for themselves and nobody else because they promise everything but once they get in they change their promises anyhow because they are in there for that long and that's it.
    GeorgeM
    26th Jun 2017
    4:03pm
    Can't agree, crazypete, as politicians can only get their hands on their fancy pensions if they hold their seat (I almost typed "serve", ha!) for 8 years. So, it is important to turf them out after one term to stop their greed being fulfilled all they way through retirement - suggested method in my post above. We have to shake up the rotten system before any good will come.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:36pm
    Yes, George - but they get a pro rata payment if they 'leave' early, a lump sum.

    Told yez before, Pauline Hanson got $70k lump sum for thirteen months at a time when I was earning as much as a back-bencher through sheer hard work, and my super for thirteen years was $7000.

    Somebody explain to me again how these people merit this kind of largesse? Anyone?
    GeorgeM
    26th Jun 2017
    11:52pm
    Sure, TREBOR, they have rules to extract benefits in every situation. Although, such a lump sum is still better than paying these leeches $92,500 (for min 8 yrs) to around $139,000 (for 18+ yrs) ANNUALLY FOR LIFE without Asset or Income Tests. My main point being to shake up the system by not allowing them to get to that bigger pot of honey by turfing them out at the earliest, then maybe the message will get across that they don't deserve it.
    dougie
    26th Jun 2017
    10:31am
    I guess that I deserve a pay rise, I do not have to go to work, I do not have to travel away from my family for days at a time, I get out of bed when I feel like it and I go to bed when I feel like it. I do not have to wait for holidays to come around and I do holiday and travel when it suits me. I seem to live OK for the money I get, sure I earned a lot more when I did have to travel with my work(not as a pollie) I did have to entertain people that I didn't really like, at times my day was 18 hours and my weekends were never my own. My home life was not happy because of this work load but I did it for (a) the prestige of management and (b) it supported my family well but not so happily.
    Now that I am a pensioner my home life is so happy, I only entertain and meet with my "friends", Not as much money but my life and my wife's life so much better.
    I know which life I would choose given the option. Would not be a pollie for twice the money!
    Kaz
    26th Jun 2017
    11:08am
    Nice life now but not the issue. They will also retire one day on a lot more than you.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    11:53am
    Do you imagine, dougie, that only those poor suffering politicians have to work away from their families? I don't recall a single New Years Eve or Christmas Eve I spent with my family, and certainly I didn't get free flights and accommodation to attend friend or family gatherings. Due to my children's mothers career and my own, we spent precious little time as a family, so I have zero sympathy for politicians who are on a free run in and out every weekend, so they get to spend as much time with family as most others do anyway - those that are lucky enough to have a job these days, that is - and are well compensated for their absence.

    Don't make me laugh.
    Farside
    26th Jun 2017
    12:07pm
    Dougie, you are a voice in the wilderness highlighting there is a price for all that largesse. The weight of outraged commentators' jealousy fuelled remarks was predictably high and failed to acknowledge that our politicians are elected to represent us in the Parliament where they drive the government priorities. It is reasonable they are paid accordingly given the nature of the work. No doubt some politicians are better value than others but most could earn far higher salaries if outside of the Parliament. I have no problem with paying serving politicians well but the gravy train should end when that is no longer the case and they revert to same rights and benefits as Joe Public.
    Retired Knowall
    26th Jun 2017
    12:35pm
    The pay increases are set by an Independent Body. Anyone can put forward a submission to this body on Politicians wages and conditions.
    The submissions are open all year and I'll bet it's only Politicians that put forward submissions asking for increases. The rest (That includes the Drones that post on this site would rather vent their spleens here rather than putting forward reasonable submissions to the body that determines the final decision.
    My view is that Politicians Wages should be tied to the performance of the Country, they should get a base rate and rewarded if they meet set KPI's like most other businesses.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:22pm
    Are you really that naive Retired Knowall?
    There is no such thing as an "Independent" Remuneration Tribunal. What do you think will happen if they do not give their employers (pollies in this case) what they want? Yep. No future work. So what are they going to do? Yep. Recommend a payrise. Ask CEOs and their Boards. Same deal. Same obscene outcome.
    dougie
    26th Jun 2017
    4:43pm
    Whatever you say is governed by the way you feel in life - it equates to what you have done - what you wished you had done - what you felt that you had not done but should have done.
    If you have questions about that you will feel envy to those who are getting on with their life.
    Personally I feel that I have achieved much in my life, I have a wife and family who have made their way in life and made us proud to be their parents and siblings. As I have passed along the way I feel that I may have helped others achieve something of their dreams. I still in my final years try to assist others without thought of reward and this gladdens my heart. Who could want more.
    Money is just a thing which people feel may help them gain happiness, I don't believe that it does.
    Whatever you say pollies can have what they feel is their due but will they be any happier than me and mine, I think not.
    Retired Knowall
    26th Jun 2017
    5:01pm
    Well Mick you can continue to Bitch and Moan and post your dribble in this forum if that makes you happy.
    My point was that the correct forum to address the Pollies pay is the Renumeration Tribunal. Have you ever notified them of your concerns?
    No I'll bet you haven't.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    5:16pm
    Retired Knowall. As asked by YLC.

    "What do you think? Do politicians deserve their pay increases? Should the Budget Repair Levy have been kept under Budget 2017/18? Would it be a better use of budget money to increase the Age Pension, where every dollar received is likely to be a dollar spent in the local economy?

    People here are responding. It is more than likely that Government agencies watch this site on a regular basis so they are well informed of the concerns of many people.

    YLC probably collates a summary of responses and forwards to the relevant Government Dept.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:23pm
    Retired KnowItAll: Respectfully, the name 'Independent Remuneration Tribunal' has been prostituted. They are mostly NOT independent. That is the problem. Just a name to justify the unjustifiable.
    Sorry you are having a bad day.
    Retired Knowall
    27th Jun 2017
    5:07pm
    So Mick, have you ever put forward a submission?
    No..you prefer to bitch, moan post your unsubstantiated crap.
    From the Web Site: The Remuneration Tribunal is an independent statutory authority established under the Remuneration Tribunal Act 1973 (the Act). The Tribunal consists of three part-time members appointed by the Governor-General. There are currently only two members appointed to the Tribunal.
    Please advise why this body is Not Independent...Facts Please, not your obviously Biased Opinion.
    Nerk
    26th Jun 2017
    10:32am
    And they have the hide to call others bludgers, get them where it hurts sack them with your vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sen.Cit.90
    26th Jun 2017
    12:29pm
    Hi Nerk, To many commenters here, I suggest you log onto 'One Nation Policies' they read good for me.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    1:56pm
    One Nation is our only hope. I vote and support them through donations to the party.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:24pm
    Hanson is a nightmare which is voting with this government.....but a better option than voting Liberal.
    I still think we need to vote for non defacto Liberal Party Independents. People like Lambi are treasures as they care about the people they represent, not their own wealth.
    Sundays
    26th Jun 2017
    2:33pm
    Hanson? Never. Apart from her dubious views re vaccinations, education for children with disabilities she is all about supporting small business. You will find that her support for pensioners is all rhetoric.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    5:56pm
    Yes - every pensioner and unemployed person should start a fish shop.... that'll work wonders for the economy...

    It's called the politics of real envy, for those who miss the point - some people just get it up their nose when they think someone else is getting something for nothing - which, BTW - is what this subject is all about.

    So it is clear to the animal politic that entitlement only works one way, and 'deserving' only works their way as well...

    They simply have no idea.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:29pm
    Sundays: a friend of mine once told me "vote for Billy the Blacksmith. It makes no difference". He was 100% right!

    The theory:
    1. not voting Liberal or Labor weakens both parties. They then have to government in the interests of the nation or they disappear altogether. Think Democrats!
    2. Independents are more fragile than candidates from both of the main parties: no huge bank balance to roll them back into office. So they behave themselves to survive.
    3. Never give an MP who has failed badly and/or betrayed voters a second term. That sends a clear message. Independents already know this.

    Have a think about this Sundays. Whilst some of our clan believe in the Tooth Fairy you have to look at the main game which is pollies wanting to be re-elected. If we did the above they would be elected on their merits, not on who bribes the party the most.
    floss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:33am
    How about Self Funded Retirees yes the ones that did the right thing all their life living on a income less than a full pension . A pay rise for them would be handy, income down cost of living up.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:25pm
    They are seen as milking cows and come after. It will get much worse before it gets better.
    floss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:38am
    If they had a performance based salary the would all be on the dole,after the way they have given away our resources they are lucky to have a job.
    Retired Knowall
    26th Jun 2017
    12:36pm
    The pay increases are set by an Independent Body. Anyone can put forward a submission to this body on Politicians wages and conditions.
    The submissions are open all year and I'll bet it's only Politicians that put forward submissions asking for increases. The rest (That includes the Drones that post on this site would rather vent their spleens here rather than putting forward reasonable submissions to the body that determines the final decision.
    My view is that Politicians Wages should be tied to the performance of the Country, they should get a base rate and rewarded if they meet set KPI's like most other businesses.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    5:58pm
    An independent body of old mates appointed to a nice little earner for essentially doing nothing but rubber-stamping, just like the vast majority of these 'independent' commissions and such.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:30pm
    Agree TREBOR!
    Retired Knowall
    27th Jun 2017
    5:08pm
    From the Web Site: The Remuneration Tribunal is an independent statutory authority established under the Remuneration Tribunal Act 1973 (the Act). The Tribunal consists of three part-time members appointed by the Governor-General. There are currently only two members appointed to the Tribunal.
    Please advise why this body is Not Independent...Facts Please, not your obviously Biased Opinion.
    HDRider
    26th Jun 2017
    10:48am
    It's no wonder they want us to hand in our gun's!
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:05pm
    Good one, HDRider.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:28pm
    Funny how there have been no follow up reports since the latest attempt to get decent people to hand in guns. Guess that means it si not working.
    The stupidity of such a scheme is NONE of the crooks are going to hand in hand guns and automatic weapons and I do not believe that 24 year jail sentences will follow after they are caught. It's just talk from a government needing a diversion from its bad bad management of the country.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:00pm
    I knew that thirty years ago... and said so...

    When you have a people afraid of their government, you have tyranny - when you have a government afraid of its people, you have democracy. One of the American founding fathers said that or words to that effect.

    You see any of our government afraid of their people? Only in that they all, politician, public servant etc alike, continually hedge themselves around with protections from an angry populace.

    Funny thing - the NAZIS did the same thing, passing terrific legislations to protect the party etc.... just a comparison....
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    6:07pm
    TREBOR, their day of atonemnent surely not too far away. How much more can the people take? The pressure cooker lid is ready to explode.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:32pm
    HSRider: the only guns they are going to get is old single shot 22s. The crims will not hand in their handguns or their machine guns and the BS about 14 jail sentences will not happen. That is just to scare people and this issue is to deflect attention from this bad bad government. Nothing more.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    10:55am
    You'll likely set the room on fire with this one Debbie.
    The issue which is rarely mentioned is that only a few short years ago federal politicians DOUBLED their salaries in the space of 3 years. Not many of us can ever do that. Now of course it is routine increases and a tax cut FOR THEM so that they get to keep more.
    I shriek when I hear the dishonest term "Independent Remuneration Tribunal". This is the fraud also run by CEOs and their Boards to justify even more obscene pay increases. The reason the so call groups are a fraud is that they give the body which employs them what they demand. If they didn't then they would not be used next time around. They are puppets.
    Our politicians have become like our company executives. They have lost touch and have no interest in fairness any more. They are simply greedy animals with their snouts in the feeding trough and the public is their bank.
    Kaz
    26th Jun 2017
    11:05am
    Good comment.
    FrankC
    26th Jun 2017
    11:23am
    That about sums it up , Mick. Good comment, and with pollies on some of the boards, well, need I say more .And the ' Budget repair levy' is supposed to work by cutting the tax for the fat cats 2%, what a joke.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    11:55am
    There's a council in the upper Hunter region that is about to vote a 70% pay rise for councillors..... hello??? See what happens when people get to control their own pay packet? The sky's the limit...
    Farside
    26th Jun 2017
    12:37pm
    @TREBOR, stirring the pot with misrepresenting the facts methinks. Non-metropolitan councils in NSW fall into one of four categories, and the fee ranges for these categories are set by the LG Remuneration Tribunal, specifically:
    • Regional City
    • Regional Strategic Area
    • Regional Rural
    • RuralCouncil

    Quoting from the 2017 Annual Determination:

    "The majority of councils will receive an increase of 2.5 per cent only which is consistent with the government’s wages policy. Six existing councils will be eligible for increases of more than 2.5 per cent as those councils have been categorised into a higher or new category on the basis of the revised criteria.

    The 20 new councils have been placed in one of the existing or new categories. These 20 councils replaced 44 former councils. The scale of the new councils means that the majority of these new councils will be eligible for fees that are higher than those paid to the former entities. However, the significant reduction in the number of councils from 152 to 128 has resulted in an estimated maximum saving on the overall cost of councillor fees in NSW of approximately $2.5M."

    Which Council is voting on a 70% increase in fees?
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:41pm
    TREBOR: the burning question which I cannot understand is WHY do voters not vote them out? Sure, I understand that propaganda protecting the most crooked is run to get their people elected, but there is some media outlet which tells it like it is. The trouble is the mentally challenged, and there are many of them, just do what they are told and put crooks in. Never much changes.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:15pm
    No misrepresentation there, and keep a civil tongue in your head and watch the accusations.

    That's straight off the local news... so eat it. Scone I believe it was.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:32pm
    ????
    Not having a go at you TREBOR. Is that what came across?
    Retired Knowall
    26th Jun 2017
    5:07pm
    FACT CHECK....ON Monday night when the Councillors travelled to Merriwa for the Council meeting, their travel costs covered, but at the June Council meeting they voted not to cover the costs of volunteers travelling to Council meetings; a double standard not lost on Merriwa resident Kim Fenley.

    The Councillors voted to give themselves a pay rise of 2.5 percent, the maximum amount allowable under the Local Government Remuneration Tribunal for 2016/17, for rural Councils.

    Mr Fenley, who sits on the Upper Hunter Central Business District Redevelopment Committee, last month approached Waid Crockett, general manager of the Upper Hunter Shire Council to request costs for volunteers be reimbursed.

    2.5% is a little short of 70%..but don't let FACTS get in the way of a good story.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:05pm
    Not your comment, Mick - read Farsicals comment about my 'misrepresenting' facts - if the fact of a council giving a 70% pay rise to councillors is 'misrepresentation' - take it up with NBN/Nine news.

    T'would seem passing strange that the 'rightie' supporting media would point out a rort.. but who knows? Maybe that council is full of 'lefties'...
    Farside
    27th Jun 2017
    12:37am
    @TREBOR, Scone is not a Council but if you mean the Upper Hunter Shire Council, then you have the wrong end of the pineapple. Farsical ... hehe, you are such a wit, a regular Noel Coward.

    If you are referring to Singleton Shire Council, then it was upgraded to "regional rural" status to rank alongside Maitland, Cessnock and Port Stephens. The decision could cost ratepayers a further $100k in Councillor fees. Councillor pay was boosted from $8750 to $19,310 per year, and mayor Sue Moore’s from $27,380 to $61,430. Before criticising how much Councillors are paid it might be an idea to have an idea of how much time they put into the role.

    For what it's worth neighbouring Muswellbrook was rated a lower rural council, despite Muswellbrook having the regional facilities Singleton lacks. Singleton did not apply for the upgrade. No mention of Scone or the UHSC in the article.

    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4722324/singleton-bump-prompts-questions/
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:34pm
    Thanks TREBOR.
    I know I get people offside. The facts always do but I am not here to massage egos but rather get people to see the facts rather than what they have been conditioned to believe. That my friend is like pushing a barrow full of wet cement up a hill.
    Kaz
    26th Jun 2017
    11:03am
    ..."to attract and retain people of the calibre required...". Uh, not working!
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:06pm
    Pay too many peanuts to monkeys and all you get is monkey guano.
    Kathleen
    26th Jun 2017
    11:10am
    Stirring people up to sprout angry words is not a good idea. Another 'us' and 'them' situation! I do not work for my money and am able to do what I want when I want within reason. For the politicians who work hard and are genuine in their endeavours I do not resent them their pay packets. It is shift work to the ultimate.
    Whilst they are working it is okay but I am not so sure about after work finishes and they are in the same boat as we are. That could be reduced considerably.
    Farside
    26th Jun 2017
    12:38pm
    well said.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:43pm
    The issue at hand is the same as the theme in Bernard Shaw's 'Animal Farm' novel. Pollies think they are different and the rules pertaining to them need to be special.
    inextratime
    26th Jun 2017
    2:26pm
    They get a six week break in Winter plus all the other public holidays. Makes up for all those late sittings one suspects !
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:39pm
    Do they get a reduction in holidays for the times they can't be bothered being in the House?
    Jtee
    26th Jun 2017
    9:51pm
    Been saying same as Mick for years. Read Animal Farm 40 years ago and principles apply today. All the animals trusted the pigs to do the right thing when in charge and then the pigs changed, becoming greedy and forgetting where they came from..
    Jtee
    26th Jun 2017
    9:53pm
    Whoops - just did a recount. Read the book about 53 years ago. My, how time passes.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:36pm
    We're both older than we sound Jtee.
    Animal Farm stuck in my head as did the Merchant of Venice. Still suffering the fallout though.......
    Rae
    26th Jun 2017
    11:14am
    The danger of very large increases for high income earners is the disconnect it creates in viewing the average and median wage levels. Very high top salaries simply distort the picture. Make it seem like ordinary incomes are greater than they really are.


    Then again if it acts as an incentive for a lot of Independents to challenge for votes at the next election that will be good.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:44pm
    We have had a growing divide between rich and poor since the GFC. It is blatantly obvious.
    So what did the PM do to fix this up? Give tax cuts to the top. What else.
    John from Perth
    26th Jun 2017
    11:21am
    Politicians are exactly the same as Nappies and should be changed for the same reason.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:45pm
    Agree. If one is not behaving then VOTE HIM OUT. It is strange that the electorate cannot do that and prefers to vote for a familiar name rather than somebody who puts his/her mindset up front.
    Farside
    27th Jun 2017
    12:41am
    As Mick says, use your vote and get rid of non-performing elected representatives. Rally your friends and form voting blocs to promote your own agendas. There is nothing like a marginal seat that focuses elected reps and their well honed sense of self-interest.
    dweezy2176
    26th Jun 2017
    11:23am
    If the current crop of pollies (Pauline excepted!) were paid what they deserve they'd be down at the Salvos & Vinnies trying to make ends meet.
    If paying peanuts gets monkeys then Oz has very, very, very expensive peanuts!
    Alexii
    26th Jun 2017
    11:31am
    I love it, dweezy!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:47pm
    Sugar coated with a very sour flavour. The current lot need to be thrown into the rubbish bin as indigestible.
    Farside
    27th Jun 2017
    12:42am
    Rubbish. Just look at the pay packets these folk walk into when leaving politics.
    Alexii
    26th Jun 2017
    11:27am
    Keating referred to only the Senate as "pigs with their snouts in the trough". it's the whole damned lot of them that are the pigs...
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:47pm
    Some very fat ones............
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    11:31am
    All my arguments are posted elsewhere.

    Government is NOT a business, it is a service to the people, and as such is well paid, and bears zero comparison with any large corporation that relies on profit to exist.

    I believe that the current pay rates and perks for politicians make it a lucrative business, and not a service to the people of this nation that actually attracts persons of genuine merit and dedication to that service. All political election has become is a pathway to social engineering or one kind or another via the party system we endure, and an exercise in self-enrichment via excellent salaries, perks, and 'networking' so as to ensure future hefty incomes in every way possible.

    It is therefore my view that politician and such salaries should be halved immediately, and they be put on a performance based bonus annually, and that perks be on a proven cost basis refund, while retirement package be put on the same basis as everyone else. That lower starting salary etc would move towards ensuring that only those with a genuine interest applied for the job, and would move towards removing the time-servers and party hacks and ideologists who currently infest our houses of parliament.

    They will still be able to do their 'old mate networking' so as to ensure their endless future incomes etc, but further moves to outlaw totally any politician and family having an interest in any 'product' of legislation they pass will at least mitigate that.
    Knight Templar
    26th Jun 2017
    12:03pm
    The problem TREBOR is that politicians would be the one's to make the decision to cut their perks - as much chance as turkey's voting for Christmas.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:38pm
    I agree with you, Trebor, and ministers have the gall to call themselves Honourable. Unfortunately they've raised themselves, in their own eyes, to the aristocracy [$30,000 Ball gowns, flying all over the place in helicopters].
    Our government is behaving like a Third World government, we need a Citizens' Charter to re establish democracy.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:41pm
    Like asking the synagogue to vote on a ham sandwich for lunch...
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:44pm
    Triss - Beeziness ees good in El Grando Republica Da San Austrador... eef you are holding zee reins of gove'ment... por favor....

    We ARE a Third World Banana Republic, and the only things we lack are the Death Squads and the dirt poor peasants begging on the streets as part of the scenery and living in corrugated tin shacks... don't worry - won't be long.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    9:47pm
    TREBOR. The Globalists theme/motto.

    "That's the way ", the way we like it"

    I agree it will not be too long before the scenario you envisage actually takes place. UNLESS!!
    Jtee
    26th Jun 2017
    9:55pm
    Well said Trebor.
    Jtee
    26th Jun 2017
    9:55pm
    Well said Trebor.
    travelman
    26th Jun 2017
    11:36am
    As our national debt goes up, wouldn't it would be good if politicians salaries were based on that debt -- debt goes up no pay increase, debt goes down pay increase. It might help them to do a better job.
    Edwin pope
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:49pm
    I'd rather see the tax cuts to the rich go toward paying off debt. This government will have none of that. And they talk about bringing the budget back into surplus. Yeah, for the mentally challenged who believe every word...........
    fedup
    26th Jun 2017
    11:49am
    I question what are we paying our politicians for actually, as when Pauline Hanson was giving her latest speech in the house most of the seats were empty. When I am employed I am expected to turn up to get paid each week why aren't our politicians expected to do the same. I hardly think that breast feeding should be allowed either as it isn't in the the general work force you have to take leave to do that. Don't care what people thing not a good look in the workplace.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:50pm
    I agree. They should have to be there for EVERY sitting. Labor and Liberal seem to think they do not have to turn up and that is BAD BAD government. Utter rudeness and arrogance actually.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:02pm
    Rob the poor to pay the rich. I've said it before and I'll say it again, whenever the government cuts pensions you can always be sure that the cuts go straight into their own pockets. It happens every time.

    The independent Remuneration Tribunal has decided a 2 per cent pay rise, worth almost $4,000, for Federal MPs and senior public servants is in order as it had received a "notable increase in submissions" asking for pay raises. Are our MPs so out of touch that they actually believe they are underpaid when they frequently spend more on a meal than pensioners get in a week? The pay increase, along with a 2% tax cut, is immoral when those same politicians agreed to 330,000 part-pensioners either losing their part-pensions or having their pensions drastically reduced on and penalty rate cuts for thousands of workers.
    In addition to that they spent over $100,000 million in expenses.
    Get rid of the "Independent" Remuneration Tribunal and give politicians an average salary.
    Surely they must have skin as thick as an elephant hide to accept a pay rise after docking almost everyone elses.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:52pm
    Glad you noticed.
    Tax cuts for the rich so working conditions of shift workers and the hospitality industry have to go down.
    I fail to understand who Australians cannot see this and demand an election NOW. Maybe the biased right wing controlled Press have a lot to answer for..........but that is what happens when you allow the media to be improperly used for propaganda.
    Not Senile Yet!
    26th Jun 2017
    12:02pm
    They are all overpaid when comparisons are compared to World wide based on the Number/Population of people/citizens they are supposed to Serve!
    Their Salaries should be frozen till the Budget is repaired and national debt returns to Balancing.
    The performance of ALL POLITICIANS should be connected to Balancing the Budget....NO BALANCE....No Pay Rises!
    Plus all Travel Expenses should be audited and limited!
    Like a CEO their Salaries should be performance based and tied to Number of Citizens they Represent.
    On a population basis alone...their Salaries would be cut by 30%!
    But more importantly their rises should be tied to the basic wage.....ie...not allowed a higher increase than the basic wage increase!
    Also their acces to Super & retirement should be Exactly the same as every Citizen...no exemptions! So if we have wait until 70...so should they!
    The average Citizen is tired of the attitude of one Rule for them....and another Rule for Politicians!
    Leaders Lead by Example....Not by Exemptions!
    Farside
    26th Jun 2017
    12:41pm
    Citizens can access super without waiting until 70 so what rule are you referring to? Many can access super from 55 years and tax free self funded pensions from 60.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:54pm
    Good point Not Senile Yet.
    Posters need to have a look at what American pollies get. Not pretty.
    We pay well but still have monkeys.
    Vote them out. Pick a decent Independent and go for it.
    PAYEdmydues
    26th Jun 2017
    12:16pm
    I suppose if pensions increased 20% then politicians deserve a pay increase.
    No that would be objective wouldn't it?
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:54pm
    Fair comment. Pensioners have received cuts with more to come. Tells you something.
    Chrissy L
    26th Jun 2017
    12:16pm
    I don't object to the Pollies getting a pay rise, as long as the same principles apply to Seniors and Pensioners. This financial year many of us on Part Pensions received a reduction in our Part Pensions. Perhaps the same should apply to the Pollies allowances and see how they like it. If it is good enough to reduce our Pension, why should ex Prime Ministers and Ex Politicians receive travel allowances and Office Perks? Fair suck of the Sauce Bottle!
    greatgolly
    26th Jun 2017
    12:41pm
    Fine, all fine, except I have been a member of 3 pensioner groups and they all faded into oblivion; there is and only ever will be one way out, and that is an outright rebellion, but at this time, I don't know who could lead such a thing!

    Shops are easy, everyone just stops buying from them for a month or two, that would make them think about their lost money; electricity, everyone just go back to the old times with kero lamps, better still, just pretend we are all camping and we don't need electricity, there is no answer unless everyone is on the same page and I can't see that happening!

    Just look at the public purse for example, councillors get paid a salary and perks, state polies get salaries and perks, federal polies get salaries and perks, and has anyone ever added all that up; sorry, I wouldn't know where to start but it would give me a heart attack if I knew!

    We need to abolish state governments and make them councils with councillors that do it to serve the public and not to rip them off but yes they get out of pocket expenses. Federally they get a base salary plus out of pocket expenses, salary being basic and I mean basic $2K a week, now this is where it hurts, everyone which includes pensioners, all get the same income of $1K per week, this will be easily affordable from one state's savings alone. Big business cannot take profits out of Australia and produce and products are firstly made available for Australian use first and only excesses are exported. Now, this is where you are going to hate me, we bring back corporal and capital punishment and every youth aged 18 will do 2 years national service in either of our forces; driving licenses and the right to drink alcohol, a person must be over 21 years of age, with exception to those serving in the armed forces. Jail means jail, if a criminal is found guilty without reasonable doubt and is given a sentence for the crime, he/she will serve that full sentence, and parole will be abolished.

    I really could go on, but I'm sure someone out there will have already come to the result that I should be hung, drawn, and quartered. The gap between the rich and the poor is already too great and the wealthy put their wealth on full display, just for the poor to see, that is beyond cruel; finally, only Australians can own anything in Australia, we have sold our country out to anyone in the world that will pay, we need to look after our own first and foremost; there is so much more to say, but I for one have already hopefully put some fuel to the fire!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:56pm
    Pollies need to get the same adjustments used to keep wages growth to nil by employers. That is fair...but not to pollies who believe they are special.
    A ship full of rats actually.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    2:01pm
    Greatgolly, all valid points. This Country has become a cesspool of crime and fraud, the Politicians and their hangers on being the main inhabitants.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:20pm
    Beeziness ees good in El Granda Reppublica Da San Austrador... eef you hold zee reins of gover'ment!

    Aristocracy? They imagine themselves royalty to be shuttled about at our expense for their every whim, including NYE parties and State of Origin matches...

    Well, golly gee wow - the SOO jaunt was a State set of politicians?

    SS-DD..
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:38pm
    Want a well paying job niemakawa? PM? We need a good man and I understand the job is soon to be vacated.
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2017
    3:43pm
    MICK, should I take that as a compliment??
    PAYEdmydues
    26th Jun 2017
    12:17pm
    Having a nice holiday Mick?
    Enough snow for you?
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:57pm
    Say hello to Malcolm for me. Enjoying his payrise? Maybe ask Malcolm how much tax he paid last year?
    Pay your dues? Not in your life mate.
    KSS
    26th Jun 2017
    12:33pm
    Must be another slow news day so lets chuck in an article about politician's pay rise. Guaranteed to elicit venom and vitriol!

    Perhaps people would do well to remember that pensioners received a 1.3% increase in March that came after a similar increase in September 2016 and are due for another increase in September. They have also retained the 'clean energy' supplement long after the tax it was meant to offset was repealed. Any suggestion of it being withdrawn sent people squealing like stuck pigs.

    A 2% pay rise after three years of frozen wages is not outlandish at all. Pensioners are likely to top that come September for the year. And there is NO tax cut for politicians either. The 2% special levy that was imposed by Mr Abbott to aid with the national debt has come to an end. That's it.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:51pm
    Yes and no, KSS. A 2% deficit levy was introduced on Australians earning over $180,000 which hit Federal senators and MPs, it was temporary and stops at the beginning of July this year. In effect, they have a 2% tax cut.
    Also 2% of an MPs salary is vastly different from 2% of an age Pension.
    KSS
    26th Jun 2017
    1:01pm
    So you agree Triss, it was a TEMPORARY levy. That is now over and is NOT a tax cut. Those to whom it applied are now back where they were paying the percentage tax they paid before the levy was introduced.

    Can't say the same about the energy supplement though. That is still being paid long after the tax it was meant to cover has been repealed.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:59pm
    And perhaps people should remember the cut in the assets test, the attempt to push older people out of their own homes and spend the capital and the increase in the pension age.
    Full of it KSS. So who writes your speeches?
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:22pm
    Yeah - let's just get straight to the point and hang 'em all and start again.... that'll fix the whining in the diff.... total the car.....

    Either the body politic engages in reasonable discourse and fair negotiation with the electing body and abides by fair expectations of those who employ them - or the outcome will inevitably be a revolt of that electing body....

    What corporation would keep on a group of employees who were continually helping themselves to the revenue pile?
    Aussie
    26th Jun 2017
    12:33pm
    Welcome to Turn-ball Liberal country .... They are all Ok that is great lost of money to spend ...Ok no worries ... They are playing with our life ...Pensioner or not the same apply ... they do not work for the country they work for them ...Shit Shit ....time to PO somewhere else.
    Incredible ...only in this country and other corrupted countries this occur ....... even the law is on their side .... look at the ATO millions suck up from our efforts .... Now they still on the streets ... What a joke .....

    Viva Turn-ball Liberal country ...well done mate .....
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    1:59pm
    Vote the bastards out. YOUR CALL!
    greatgolly
    26th Jun 2017
    12:42pm
    Fine, all fine, except I have been a member of 3 pensioner groups and they all faded into oblivion; there is and only ever will be one way out, and that is an outright rebellion, but at this time, I don't know who could lead such a thing!

    Shops are easy, everyone just stops buying from them for a month or two, that would make them think about their lost money; electricity, everyone just go back to the old times with kero lamps, better still, just pretend we are all camping and we don't need electricity, there is no answer unless everyone is on the same page and I can't see that happening!

    Just look at the public purse for example, councillors get paid a salary and perks, state polies get salaries and perks, federal polies get salaries and perks, and has anyone ever added all that up; sorry, I wouldn't know where to start but it would give me a heart attack if I knew!

    We need to abolish state governments and make them councils with councillors that do it to serve the public and not to rip them off but yes they get out of pocket expenses. Federally they get a base salary plus out of pocket expenses, salary being basic and I mean basic $2K a week, now this is where it hurts, everyone which includes pensioners, all get the same income of $1K per week, this will be easily affordable from one state's savings alone. Big business cannot take profits out of Australia and produce and products are firstly made available for Australian use first and only excesses are exported. Now, this is where you are going to hate me, we bring back corporal and capital punishment and every youth aged 18 will do 2 years national service in either of our forces; driving licenses and the right to drink alcohol, a person must be over 21 years of age, with exception to those serving in the armed forces. Jail means jail, if a criminal is found guilty without reasonable doubt and is given a sentence for the crime, he/she will serve that full sentence, and parole will be abolished.

    I really could go on, but I'm sure someone out there will have already come to the result that I should be hung, drawn, and quartered. The gap between the rich and the poor is already too great and the wealthy put their wealth on full display, just for the poor to see, that is beyond cruel; finally, only Australians can own anything in Australia, we have sold our country out to anyone in the world that will pay, we need to look after our own first and foremost; there is so much more to say, but I for one have already hopefully put some fuel to the fire!
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    12:59pm
    Agree, greatgolly, and I'd add that politicians and councillors have a maximum of 2-three year terms and then out for ten years. That would also stop the lobbyists from skewing our democracy. In fact ban lobbyists altogether.
    I've also been involved in pensioner groups which have fizzled out, I suppose when you keep hitting a brick wall many folk give up.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:01pm
    I'll put my hand up greatgolly. All I need is a dedicated band of people to visit retirement villages and nursing homes (the Liberal Party does this every election) and get people onside.
    You win or lose AS A GROUP, not as an individual. If people can unite this government is gone forever. If not we continue to be plundered.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:24pm
    Wanna bet the nursing homes and retirement villages won't allow you access, Mick? Their livelihoods depend on their allegiance to City Hall, so they are unlikely to open the gates to the riff-raff who want meaningful change.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:47pm
    Just watched Four Corners on retirement villages under the control of the new billionaire class of Asian - mind-boggling...

    You'll never catch me there.....
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    11:27pm
    I watched that tonight, Trebor. It will be interesting to see if anybody in the corridors of power does anything about it. I shall be writing to one or two of the little worms that have allowed it to happen but I won't be holding my breath for a reply.
    AutumnOz
    27th Jun 2017
    7:36am
    greatgolly, I agree National Service would be useful now with all the youngsters out of work, and with little chance of being employed, it would cost no more than current Newstart payments and would give the young men and women a sense of usefulness which is currently lacking in their lives.
    I doubt anyone wants to hang, draw and quarter you for your views especially as your comments made a lot of sense.
    AutumnOz
    27th Jun 2017
    7:38am
    Triss, write to Kay Patterson the Age Discrimination Commissioner, at Parliament House, Canberra should find her.
    You should receive an answer from her although it may take a few weeks.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:41pm
    The older I get TREBOR the more I understand that the top end of town controls the game, are all in the same feeding trough and are all a subset of the current government.
    Of course crooked business is protected and even shielded by coalition governments. Think coal, financial services industry, nursing homes and many many more.
    Older lady
    26th Jun 2017
    1:15pm
    Pathetic. Do they feel guilty ? NO !
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:02pm
    Laughing in our faces. I can imagine the talk at the bar after a session.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:26pm
    "Yeah - that was a long overdue and well-deserved rise, eh, Scottie? Barely enough to compensate for the hardships of this unenviable job... another Glenfiddich thanks, Barney.... make it a double for both of us.. and a couple of those cigars while you're at it... put it on my Parliamentary tab....."
    Helsy
    26th Jun 2017
    1:22pm
    Considering that the deficit has increased significantly under the current government, and their pay increase is supposedly linked to budget position and the general state of the economy, shouldn't they have received a pay cut?? And why take the Budget Repair Levy away from high income earners when clearly the budget is NOT repaired. Double dipping when the rest of the retired are expected to fund themselves and not be a drain on "welfare". If golden handshake pensions and travel costs of these retired people come out of the public purse, why is it so hard to adequately fund pensions. This is not a civilised society!!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:06pm
    The deficit under Abbott and Turnbull has MORE THAN DOUBLED. The trolls on this website who used to put it up to Labor never say boo now because they know the GFC is long gone and their government has wasted huge amounts of money, borrowed overseas and sold everything or anything it can to keep on spending.
    Can somebody explain HOW you can give the wealthy a $50 billion tax cut when you have half a TRILLION (= 1000 billion or 1 000 000 million) in debt? This tells you that this government is reckless and not fit to govern any country let alone our wonderful nation.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    9:52pm
    Turnbull can give the wealthy a $50 billion tax cut because he is one of the wealthy and will receive a tax cut as well. Never vote multi-millionaires into power because the only ones who'll benefit and grow richer are the multi-millionaires.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    9:59pm
    MICK, there is no denying that Labor chalked up a huge deficit and there is no denying that the Liberals have added a substantial amount to it.

    Libs/Lab/Greens none is fit for purpose.

    Until a Nationalist Government is in power then nothing will ever change.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:49pm
    I agree niemakawa but when the GFC hit the coalition option was to throw people out of work by the millions. Would that have been a sensible course of action?
    The issue I have with the debt this and its predecessor has created is that it was unnecessary. So was removing the debt ceiling. The very policies which it damned Labor with (deficit, reducing the budget) are now of no interest and this government is running blatant Class Warfare. The tax cuts for the rich are the absolute last straw and I am will to wager that this government cannot recover from here unless it creates another mega propaganda campaign to con voters into not voting Labor.
    I agree that neither of the 3 deserve to govern but the reality of life is people are too scared to vote for the unknown and will for the most part stick to the poison they have lived with for decades.

    You might want to read my post way up about WHY voting for unknown Independents is smart. The only bit I left out was that if you elect Billy the Blacksmith he has advice and guidance from the highest paid minders and experts in the country. Think Ricky Muir....who in the end did an ok job. As did Glen Lazarus.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2017
    1:52am
    MICK , I always read your post you are committed to making wrong right, although I will not agree with all your comments.

    Too many people go for the soft option when it comes to voting. Only the people can change the political landscape but as you have already mentioned they are scared to vote for the unknown. Maybe they are not up to the challenge as they don't want there lives interrupted or inconvenienced in any way so go with the flow.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2017
    1:54am
    Their lives... not there.
    floss
    26th Jun 2017
    1:23pm
    KSS you are wrong some pensioners had a big pay cut this year.
    KSS
    26th Jun 2017
    1:33pm
    No one had a pay cut. They were simply moved to use their own assets to fund their pensions. If they 'lost' their pension its because they have more than enough assets to fund themselves. And that is how it should be.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:07pm
    KSS is connected to this government. Lies and refusal to debate the facts or the truth tell me that.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:29pm
    It's a pay cut.... nobody should be forced to use their assets built up over a lifetime so they can enjoy their retirement, just to put food on the table... and as for only the rich being 'entitled' to leave an inheritance.... sorry to tell you, but it's everyone's equal right to do so.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    2:33pm
    TREBOR. Exactly. My assets belong to me, paid taxes all my life, so anything that I have accumulated belong to me and me alone. I am at liberty to dispose of them as I see fit. The assets/income test on pensions is FRAUD and THEFT by the Government.
    Rae
    26th Jun 2017
    4:39pm
    No it was an income cut. Just like next Sunday's workers will take a pay cut. I have very few assets. Together with thousands of others I had my income cut. This was because of the economy supposedly.
    Waiting for other workers to bear a bit of the pain now including the politicians who can well afford a cut.

    I'm busy replacing that income now and have cut spending to the bare minimum. Local businesses have asked why I no longer spend with them and I've told them why.

    This is what austerity does. It stops money going around.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:03pm
    If you truly believe that, KSS, what about having a go at the ex politicians who have been on a taxpayer funded pension for 20 to 30 years. If you check you'll find most of them have multiple dwellings and many are millionaires a few times over...they certainly have more than enough assets to fund themselves. If their pensions are not cut then neither should age pensioners.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    10:06pm
    KSS is a political stooge, it seems. Best take no notice of her/him.
    KSS
    27th Jun 2017
    7:00am
    Mick and niemakawa please post your evidence that I am connected to the Government or any political party.

    Mick you continually make these pronouncements about my so called political affiliations and yet have never actually put up the evidence despite being challenged to do so. Please post on this forum ALL evidence you have (regardless of how you may have obtained it) so we can all see the basis of your continual accusations. I for one would be very interested in seeing, for example, my employment contracts, political party membership cards, transcripts of tapes phone calls with my 'employer' or 'masters' as you call them and anything else you have. Please!
    KSS
    27th Jun 2017
    7:04am
    And Triss, I have frequently posted on this forum that I do NOT support the continual payments to ex politicians and their families. For the record, I do not object to the parliamentary pension - that is part of the job 'benefits' and the politicians do actually contribute to it themselves. I DO object to the other payments such as travel, office maintenance, staff wages, cars and so on. I agree the politician's pension is sufficient to pay for these things IF they need them. The taxpayer (and I am one) should NOT be supporting this select group of people beyond their time in office.

    Everyone got that? Good!
    AutumnOz
    27th Jun 2017
    7:50am
    Floss, it was definitely a cut in income, to make things worse anyone on a part pension is supposed to sell their lifetime home and live off the proceeds - something I have no intention of doing.
    In my case of all the asset changes over the past several years only one has been noted by Centrelink (and that was made tongue in cheek ) even though I have been to their office on several occasions trying to correct the incorrect information they have.
    I shall have to try again to have the information corrected. It is a shame I am no longer strong enough to march into the office with a camp bed over one shoulder, gas stove over the other, gas bottles slung from my belt and my arm full of clothing and announce I am staying until they sort out the mess they have made.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    1:29pm
    Time for the lamp posts and rope. These traitors of the people deserve to be hung.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:09pm
    Watch out for ASIO mate. If you are wearing black turban then worry.
    I just don't know why YLC cannot put smilies onto this website. How difficult is it to have a bit of fun.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    2:18pm
    MICK, I am shivering in my boots. I am angry, very angry at the decision to increase the salaries of politicians who collectively continue to punish pensioners who are struggling to maintain their dignity and put food in their mouths.

    Not a day goes past without the "deficit"being mentioned in the media, yet the pollies have the hide to accept a payrise while the rest of us have to survive on meagre pensions. Just not on in my book.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:30pm
    I've been asking for emoticons for ages now.... the process of political change is far too slow at YLC.

    As for ASIO - I can ring them and they know who I am... I guess that tells you something..... and I truly don't give a damn if they think I'm some sort of revolutionary for my radical thoughts on change for the better.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:07pm
    Go Niemakawa, string 'em high.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:52pm
    I would not mind paying pollies more if they were doing a good job rather than entering into fraudulent arrangements with big business, let alone some laundering their own money in offshore tax havens.
    Perhaps our pollies could force CEO and Board pay down to what is acceptable to the community and get higher pay that way. Taking a payrise at the same time as they are attacking the lowest paid and retirees is obscene and just plain unAustralian.
    dragonfly
    26th Jun 2017
    1:39pm
    A friend of mine commented on facebook that when she started teaching just over 40 years ago, back benchers received the same wage as teacher. Now everyone but politicians have to fight for any increase. Did anyone notice none of them stood up to protest this pay increase?
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    2:05pm
    They will not do such a thing, the pay rise was decided by an ïndependent tribunal" so it is not their doing. Usual diatribe from the pollies.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:12pm
    That is true dragonfly. Do you also remember state governments standing up in front of the cameras and claiming it could not afford to pay higher wages. And so it played out for decades and now teaching is a meaningless job where teachers are targets for kids who choose not to learn and disrupt classrooms and they get paid very small peanuts.
    In the meantime pollies have been grabbing their own loot.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    2:31pm
    25 years ago I was earning as much as a backbencher - probably more - and without perks. But I worked for my money.... damned hard...
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:10pm
    Malcolm Roberts objected to the pay hike, dragonfly, but I think he was the only one.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    10:18pm
    Triss maybe the rest will be encouraged to do the same. Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my dreams.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    11:34pm
    In mine as well,
    AutumnOz
    27th Jun 2017
    7:54am
    Malcolm Roberts of One Nation Party also said he had to investigate whether the pay rise could be refused and if it could he would do so. If it cannot be refused he said his pay rise will be donated to charity.
    I haven't heard any other pollie echo his comment.
    inextratime
    26th Jun 2017
    2:07pm
    "The tribunal considers it important that remuneration for offices in its jurisdiction be maintained at appropriate levels over the longer term to attract and retain people of the calibre required for these important high level offices.
    hahahahahahahahahahahhahaha....and its not April 1st !!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2017
    2:14pm
    Tribunal"? What tribunal? These are simply business told what to do if they want future work. What are they going to do other than what they are told? Not 'independent' in any way!
    Polly Esther
    26th Jun 2017
    2:44pm
    They, just like everyone, deserve what they get; and yes they will.
    It is called "Karma"
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    2:47pm
    I want a front row seat when the time comes.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:12pm
    I'd suggest that they ask for me as their judge when the time comes ..... I'm very lenient when it comes to the genuinely remorseful and I do not believe in the death penalty or gay marriage....

    (just had to throw that last in)....
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    6:21pm
    TREBOR I believe in the death penalty but not gay marriage.
    Oars
    26th Jun 2017
    3:03pm
    As far as the pay increase for politicians, i am not that fussed about the amount. HOWEVER, I think they should have a set allowance, debated by the full house, and have that the MAXIMUM they each spend. That should stop the rorts- like helicopter rides to attend a tea party with Aunt Maud at Woopie Woopie Land. And the savings ( amounting to millions of dollars) could be spent on something worthwhile- that speedssw up the political decisionmaking process. Maybe hire a few bright EXPERIENCED Government Senior officers, who don't have their eye on the 5.00pm clock or their gold watch. Pay more, and get the allowances set for each ELECTED member. The others can scratch out a living in the real world. Kick out the Senate- just a waste of time and gives rise to more deals behind closed doors. Phew. I should be paid for this advice.
    Oars
    26th Jun 2017
    3:06pm
    And I almost forgot. Remove the 3rd tear of Government - local councils- who create more problems for all, and hide behind closed doors. Who in the real world can have a 4 hour lunch- while actually not being at work ???? You guessed it a local council officer- on a regular basis.
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:14pm
    I agree about the 3rd tier, Oars, except that the state or whatever politicians who take over will decide they're overworked and add the councillors' salary to their own.
    crazypete
    26th Jun 2017
    3:06pm
    The politicians are the big rip off artist around and they know that they can get away with it as they do not put in the hours for their pay anyhow so it is about time they ask the people what wages they need to early as we pay for their holidays as well but they say it i a working holiday so that they can get away with it.
    4065
    26th Jun 2017
    3:32pm
    Every discussion about politician's pay always says, "the tribunal noted that public service office holders often receive lower salaries than those in the private sector ". My question is who, in the private sector, are they comparing the politicians with? Most of them couldn't hold down a senior management position in any company. They wouldn't have the staff or perks they get now. I say let them go look for a job in the private sector and decide if they'd like to take the pay cut!
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    3:40pm
    It is a myth, one that perpetuates.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:14pm
    As I said - government is a service to the nation and its people - it is not a business and bears no comparison.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    3:44pm
    Lib/Lab/Greens all Globalist political parties. Once you understand the truth about Globalism, then maybe it will encourage people never to vote for these parties.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    4:06pm
    This may convince you. This is an attempt to suppress freedom of speech by the Globalist elite. Nothing to do with terrorism. If this passes then we are all in trouble. Vote these "bastards"out office.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/pm-malcolm-turnbull-world-leaders-to-tackle-terrorists-social-media-use-at-germany-g20-summit/news-story/9723aad881b588eab31fa54f95469c52
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    6:15pm
    Totally been with you there for many years.

    Lock The Gates - Both Ways!
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    6:27pm
    TREBOR. Part of the Globalists' agenda. Maybe this is happening in some schools in Australia. I find such teachings in schools totally abohrrent. Yet the Globalists Governments see this as normal and it must be accepted by society or else.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/25/drag-queens-schools-end-intolerance/
    Triss
    26th Jun 2017
    10:22pm
    I'm with you there, Niemakawa, biggest fraud out.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2017
    3:56pm
    The big problem is that the main media outlets are NEVER going to educate voters as to the big picture. That is to be individually found and given that time is not a luxury people have these days it will remain hidden for a while yet.
    I keep trying to show the way but it is tough when people are suspicious and/or cling to their lifetime beliefs. Some are starting to wake up though and that makes the time worthwhile.
    Jannie
    26th Jun 2017
    4:06pm
    I feel quite sick about this due to the fact that there are so many people that do not have jobs at present and cannot get any support from Centrelink. No wonder there are so many homeless people on the streets. Our pollies should be held responsible for what is happening in Australia today, lack of jobs, low pensions, homeless people living on the streets, handouts to refugees and immigrants who do not pay taxes and never will, infra structure breaking down in all areas. Now our streets of Melbourne look like battle grounds with bollards situated all over the streets, we are now looking like a war zone.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    4:12pm
    The homeless siutaution has been brought about soley because many people have been turfed out of their homes to accommodate people that have no right to be in this country.

    Bollards are just the beginning, Governments introducing these changes slowly hoping no one will notice, in preparation for the ensuing conflict that is just around the corner.
    musicveg
    26th Jun 2017
    10:46pm
    The homeless situation is from rent and housing prices going up, investors buying up and leaving the houses empty, and low income people no longer can afford to rent or buy. More and more people on welfare are ending up on the street with no hope because entering the workforce whilst homeless is near impossible.
    valanne
    26th Jun 2017
    4:33pm
    They deserve a pay rise as much as we pensioners deserve a kick in the head. Let their pay rise KICK IN when they get the country back into the black and the unrelenting and ever increasing budget deficit is brought under control.
    How is an INCREASE in anyone's pay packet justified by NON PERFORMANCE in one's job?.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    4:40pm
    The Country is not important to them. Libs/Lab/Greens toeing the line of the Globalist OWG .
    Dot
    26th Jun 2017
    4:54pm
    Not bad pay increases for temporary Public servants, let's also not forget they are in care take mode for the new owners of this country CHINA
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    5:11pm
    the UN is in charge at the moment. Libs/Lab/Greens its puppets. They car not 2 hoots about Australia as a nation let alone its people.

    I as an older citizen explain to the young and not so young what is ahead for them. Many don't care or just shrug their shoulders in a "what can I do"mode.

    I am a staunch Nationalist , the interest of our country comes first and foremost . You mention China, it does as it pleases as it has the right to do so. China believes in itself. Not China's problem if they are given our land, that is the fault of the Australian Government(s) . Australia is far short of being an independent Sovereign Nation, it has been handed over to the Gloablist elite.
    Travellersjoy
    26th Jun 2017
    7:30pm
    We pay decent salaries, and still get thieves and fraudsters.

    I would rather have monkeys than the s**t house rats that take up quite a few seats in this parliament.

    Pensioners deserve a better deal, too. You people don't even try to imagine living on the pittance you give pensioners.
    Shame on you, and shame on the morons and rats who vote for you.

    26th Jun 2017
    7:33pm
    reading the comments and soon you realise why this country is being brought to its knees, I still believe Australia as are most of us, is the greatest country on this earth to live in, however the comments of this third socialist army, the likes of labor appointed mick, his siamese twin, trebor, etc attempt to give this site a socialist spectrum yet this site gives anybody the choice of free speech so hated by the above persons, their vision only is to stiffle free speech, let us allow free speech, let us state our opinions without fear of being insulted by labor mick and his offsider trebor, I am not happy wih our liberal government but just imagine a labor government under shorty, please shield us from that didaster!
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2017
    9:52pm
    Just a realist, heemie - you could try it some time.... smell the roses.... get a life...

    Where have I tried to stifle free speech? SHOW ME! I believe that mental issue you were diagnosed with is showing.....

    If I wanted to insult you, lad, you'd know it, and like John Paul Jones (the first, not the singer) I have not yet begun to fight........ now throw away that fascist armband and get with the program here or go back to school... oops - it's school holidays..... oh, well.. does tend to bring out the riff-raff.
    musicveg
    26th Jun 2017
    11:13pm
    These are the same people who tell us the country is in debt and we cannot afford welfare! How much more money do they need, don't they have enough in their bank and investments? Pure greed and nothing more. Turnbull's are doing okay with Lucy having 20 million shares in a big company I have heard. With the wealthy running the country we will never see a fair and honest society. How does one become a politician? Good lurk isn't it. You can even have a siesta in the middle of proceedings.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2017
    11:15pm
    Or even breast feed when delivering a motion.
    valanne
    27th Jun 2017
    9:54am
    When the time comes to vote, how about showing how much we appreciate their pay rises and useless performance at the ballot box. ? No use complaining about anything if we don't act on our dissatisfaction and give Benadie the opportunity to get us out of the trough.
    marto
    27th Jun 2017
    12:23pm
    Good point valanne but my experience shows that we seem to have so many that are prepared to complain on sites like this but do not have the will to take our fight to the bastards in canberra well if that is what you want to do just lie down and keep getting kicked in the guts all the talk on here will do nothing if we dont all act on it
    cat
    27th Jun 2017
    10:26am
    Stop all retired pollies perks and give them when they are old enough the regular aged pension. Although I doubt they will able to
    under current laws
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2017
    12:24pm
    When do we reach sufficient numbers in the Public Service and when is their superior pay packet going to stop rising faster than a soufflé ?
    I see the Australia Post CEO resigned from embarrassment.
    GrayComputing
    27th Jun 2017
    1:46pm
    If pollies vote to put the country in debt then all their over the top parliamentary super now and into the future is take away to help pay back the budget deficit

    27th Jun 2017
    2:25pm
    All politicians' salaries should be a modest multiple of the minimum wage, and their retirement plan should be the same as that for minimum wage workers. The current mob are grossly inept and have ruined the country with their greed, corruption, dishonesty and incompetence. Only by forcing them to experience life as the victims of their incompetence experience can we gain any confidence that they actually understand the consequences of their decisions and appreciate what life is like for ordinary Australians. Personally, I would rate their worth at a negative figure. I think they should be paying compensation to pensioners, the unemployed and low income earners for making such an awful mess of the economy.
    Aussie
    27th Jun 2017
    4:20pm
    Hey Hey ...Do not complain for this pay rise to our Turn-ball Lib's .... have a look what the Queen is getting and maybe they will increase the payments we have to give to the dear Crown for them to smile and have a great and easy life .... Just have a look this article

    The Queen is set for a mammoth £40 million pay rise as nurses, firefighters and soldiers get just 1% ... so what do we complain ???? we just have to give more to support this pay rise

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/queen-set-mammoth-40 million-pay-10693988
    Nan Norma
    27th Jun 2017
    7:33pm
    That money has to pay wages for her staff etc.
    niemakawa
    28th Jun 2017
    1:39am
    Nan Norma, that is true. I have great admiration for our Queen, at 91 she still gives it her all, no complaints. If only our politicians could take a leaf out of her book instead of grandstanding at every opportunity. Personally I hope Australia remains a constitutional Monarchy the thought of a Republic/President is too much bear.
    Nan Norma
    28th Jun 2017
    12:38pm
    Absolute Power corrupts
    Noctes
    28th Jun 2017
    10:34am
    Goldman Sachs Whores always get more money. Especially Liberals. Cheers Australia Wake up you dumb Nation. Check out Tunrbull's foreign Cayman Island Account. Hundreds of millions, and he want's to force vaccinate our children with Cancer Viruses etc. do your home work!
    musicveg
    28th Jun 2017
    4:10pm
    I heard Lucy Turnbull has 20 million shares in the vaccination industry. It is all about them getting richer, how rich does someone need to be? We are at the mercy of the rich making decision's about our future. Part of the global thing going on around the world.
    Dallas1955
    28th Jun 2017
    12:26pm
    Serve for the public good!!!!! What a joke.
    Scooterista
    28th Jun 2017
    1:41pm
    Time for all Politicians salaries and allowances to be directly linked to the CPI as per Superannuants and Aged Pensioners. Say NO to excess rorts.
    Ginaus
    28th Jun 2017
    10:49pm
    How dare they even considering it... On what basis... take It away for them... only those will stay that are really concerned about Australians.... no perks, no exuberant Super.... no, no, no... they are not worth the toilet paper we use...
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2017
    2:12am
    MICK, this is for you. A grass roots party. You have good leadership qualities going by your numerous posts on many topics here on YLC. The rebirth of Australian politics in the waiting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4647570/UK-veterans-party-fight-seat-election.html#comments
    KIS
    29th Jun 2017
    10:14pm
    How did this 'independent' Remuneration Tribunal come to this conclusion? What standards & procedures did they use? It certainly was not the same measures that the lowest paid workers were assessed by. Hah, retail & waitress staff etc are held more accountable than polies are. They have families too and are under as much stress as polies. Polies should live in the shoes of a casual worker for 30 days without the resources & perks polies receive; without knowing if they are getting another shift in 3 days with a sick child & no spouse.
    Or a DSP pensioner who cannot afford to have the house rewired, no flooring except the concrete slab, no roof insulation, no double glazed windows etc. in a suburb of Melbourne where units & flats cost as much to ‘downsize’ to, as their property is worth once the selling fees & moving costs are added. This person has worked hard to pay off their home& cannot find a job due to their disabilities & is now in their 60s. They were badly advised by several financial advisors & cannot access their super as their pension would be cut further. Health, car & house insurance absorb the biggest part of her pension before utilities & groceries.
    Polies think a short half hour with their constituents gives them full insight but it doesn’t. Their pay is not restricted even when productivity, jobs and the economy for the lower & middle class is less affordable.
    niemakawa
    29th Jun 2017
    10:36pm
    I agree. However the Pollies have the upper hand, they know that complacency by Australians is so rife that all they need to do is offer an extra carrot at election time. Bingo!!There is absolutely no difference between the main political parties, furthermore they are Globalists and have no great interest in National concerns.

    Yet like a merry- go round when one gets off the other jumps on quick smart. No other party has been able to access this closed shop. Reason: as previoulsy mentioned , complacency by the Australian people and the fear of change. They do not want their lives interrupted or have to make serious choices. So the status quo remains.
    Roller53
    30th Jun 2017
    4:51pm
    They like to say that the politicians pay rise is awarded by an "independent tribunal".
    Well, who pays for the tribunal and it's members.
    Independant my butt.
    Roller53
    30th Jun 2017
    4:53pm
    Why aren't politician's pay rises linked to productivity? This would result in a pay cut!
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2017
    4:55pm
    They would never ever get a payrise as they produce absolutely nothing , except rising tension in the popoulation.
    Roller53
    30th Jun 2017
    4:54pm
    If they want their pay rise, make them liable (both financially and criminally) for their decisions.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2017
    9:53pm
    Th end of Free Speech in Germany. This is sure to spread like wildfire. The beginning of the end of democracy. Australia ( Government) will be looking at this closely as being Globalist they want to restrict the peoples''right to express a point of view , criticise or speak out on Government policy.

    I am against Gay Marriage. I do not recognise islam as a religion. I believe that muslims are a serious threat to this Country. Mass immigration is white genocide. Such comments will be deleted on most social media websites and the poster severely reprimanded.

    Look carefully at the last paragraph in this article. Not that I care I will not give up my right to say as I please regardless of the consequences.

    http://www.dw.com/en/bundestag-passes-law-to-fine-social-media-companies-for-not-deleting-hate-speech/a-39486694
    JAID
    1st Jul 2017
    3:34pm
    I am not sure what should be warranted generally but I did hear someone complain that the Prime Minister's income would rise by about $16,000 generally (to low 500K's.) That does not seem an outlandish award to tempt a special leader for the nation.

    You only have to lead telecom or any of the large banks to gain many times that.

    Before the partisan chime in, this is not about support of the present incumbent or any past or future bearer in particular. It is about providing an income which has a fair chance of appealing to any. Some like the present PM could perhaps happily abstain from receipt of this (if not treated unfairly by taxation.) Though it is no concern that he may take it as it is there and available to those who provide the service.
    maxchugg
    1st Jul 2017
    3:53pm
    If you want to argue that politicians should not get a pay rise that equates with the CPI, then you can't argue that your salary or pension should also be increased in line with the CPI.
    What should be a cause for concern is the salaries paid to CEOs in private enterprise, such as the CEO of the Commonwealth Bank on a reported salary of $12.3 million, which is over 23 times the Prime Minister's $ 522,000.
    The obvious cause for complaint is that parliamentary retirement benefits are accessible at any age, so one MP who told us to be lifters, not leaners and retires at age 50 before getting a job in the US for $360,000 a year which could be filled by volunteers for the perks and prestige, but may be required to forfeit some of his parliamentary pension of $180,000 a year.
    Roller53
    1st Jul 2017
    4:52pm
    Listed public institutions pay structure are usually approved by the owners (shareholders) so if you want to go that way, the electorate will have to appreve any politicians pay adjustments.
    Besides, I do not believe that "most" polititions do not receive "bonuses" outside their parliamentry salaries and "perks". You only hgave to look at the jobs many are offered after leaving parliament. Payback? Often YES!

    "Politicians, Past, Present and (odds on) Future: Australias true criminal class!" - RRV

    "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain
    babyboomer
    2nd Jul 2017
    9:53am
    I don't care if they've had only 3 pay rises since 2013, I'm suffering financially in spite of being financially sensible all my life. Most Australians are retired on tiny incomes -- especially women. They are well remunerated & have colossal perks. The millions spent on their pay rises should be spent on services for the poor & sick.
    retired lady
    3rd Jul 2017
    4:17pm
    In 45 years of working i never had a job that i got anything from once I'd left. It was goodbye and good luck. Politicians have the nerve to tell us pensioners that they can't afford us but they are sucking the country dry.
    niemakawa
    3rd Jul 2017
    5:26pm
    Any political party worth its salt will include in its manifesto at the next election, a decalrationto the effect that salaries for politicians will be frozen for the the next term of Parliament.
    Boomah52
    8th Aug 2017
    1:11pm
    Driving around Bali and passing the massive resorts (Hilton, Ritz-Carlton...) the Australian pension for a fortnight might of you are lucky pay for two to three days in one I started thinking of who can afford to stay in these places...
    codger
    7th Feb 2018
    4:03pm
    pollies no, pensioners yes. pollies get too much as it is with all the perks that go with it,as for those bludgers like howard stop giving them money for nothing..


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