Poll shows PM's dip in popularity

The latest poll indicates that Tony Abbott is losing his grip on the top job.

Poll shows PM’s dip in popularity

The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll confirms what we have known for the last couple of weeks; Tony Abbott is losing his grip on the nation’s top job and, if reports are to be believed, the support of his own party.

If the results of the poll were replicated at a federal election, the Coalition Government would lose 40 seats, mirroring the rout experienced by the party in the Queensland state election at the weekend. In the primary vote, the Coalition has fallen three percentage points in a month, to 38 per cent, compared to the 45 per cent it enjoyed in September 2013, just prior to the Federal Election. Labor, by comparison is seven percentage points up from September 2013, with a 40 per cent primary vote.

In the two-party-preferred vote, Labor has surged ahead with 56 per cent compared to the Coalition's 44, based on voters’ second-preference options.

Within the Liberal Party it is believed that Tony Abbott has lost the support of his backbenchers, with Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull a possibility to regain the position he lost to Mr Abbott in 2009. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is also considered to be in the running should a push be made to oust Tony Abbott.

While senior ministers continue to pledge support, the debacle over the knighting of Prince Philip, as well as the clear message delivered by Victorian and Queensland voters, and not forgetting that New South Wales heads to the polls in March, a process may already be in place which would see Tony Abbott replaced.

Adding weight to the debate is the damaging and disparaging comments from media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who has publicly questioned the reliance Tony Abbott seemingly has on his much-maligned chief of staff Peta Credlin. Murdoch, a strong supporter of Mr Abbott during the 2013 election, has called for the Prime Minister to either sack Credlin, or for her to do her ‘patriotic duty’ and resign.

In a speech given yesterday, Mr Abbott reminded voters that the role of PM was not a popularity contest. "The people of Australia elected me as Prime Minister … but in the end government is not a popularity contest it's a competence contest," he said.

He also acknowledged that honouring Prince Philip with a knighthood wasn’t perhaps the smartest move just prior to the Queensland election and had been an unwelcome “distraction”.

Read more at TheAge.com.au

Do you think Tony Abbott faces a challenge from within his cabinet? As an essentially elected Prime Minister, should he be allowed to see out his term? If replaced, who would be the best person for the role?





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    Jurassicgeek
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:02am
    good show ..he needs to go...
    HOLA
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:13am
    I'm afraid old Tony is as popular as a Pork Chop in Jerusalem, time to go old boy!!!
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:34pm
    Who would you rather have? Les Patterson? he's popular
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:46pm
    or a pork chop in a mosque; Les Patterson would at least be amusing
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:07pm
    Faster than a Jew riding a Push Bike through Bayroot !!
    jamesmn
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:16am
    is it any wonder why its a prime minister and his senior ministers completely out of touch with the people of Australia as for the treasurer he is the worst in all Australian history the parent scheme abbot wanted was to benefit his daughters he still has not stopped attacking pensioners when will this bloke learn they are off limits and what about the co payment gp fee? and then he does nothing about his crony mates and the amount of tax they pay he should be starting with his pay the highest paid prime minister in the world for what he could not run a chook raffle the same as his treasurer the worst Australia has ever seen no wonder none of his ministers want to challenge him they don't want to be at the helm of a sinking ship his days are numbered so are federal liberals bring on the election it will be the same as Victoria and Queensland abbot and hockey are finished.
    Colours
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:19am
    Abbott was only effective in attack mode. In terms of running the country, he is clueless. He is suffering from the delusion that he won the election, whereas he just happened to be there when Labor lost it.
    Ny19
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:02pm
    He is still in attack mode but it doesn't wash with the public anymore.
    nena
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:21am
    The only reason if TA is not replaced is because the party doesn't want to follow what the Labour did with KR and the negative results it took.
    tiger
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:49am
    GO TONY GO. GO GO GO GO. Enough is enough. He will get worse before he gets better. That big mouth of his isn't quite finished yet believe me. The next Fed Election will be worse than Q'land the LNP must know this it can't come quick enough. their Policies are all being thrown out what is left NOTHING.
    SGW
    2nd Feb 2015
    10:52am
    NO, I don't want him to go, i want to make sure they loose the next election
    nena
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:54am
    Great, I will enjoy seen him then, can’t wait!
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:13pm
    Yes !! I want Him to stay too ! And get on a Soap Box in Centennial Park leading up to the next Election just like the Olden Days !! The Hecklers will be Amazing !!!! And they can sell Tickets, It will settle the National Debt !!
    Kato
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:09am
    Tony needs to have a good look at the stoolies advising him. and not follow it.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:09pm
    Kato, old Tony Abbott always had foot and mouth disease.............. and it time for PM Abbott to go down in Australia history ..........as the worse PM minister Ever.......God only knows........the hurt he has cause to others opposition during his time in Government............ps take Joe Hockey with him
    Paulodapotter
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:54pm
    Funny how quiet the conservative one-eyed brigade has become. Are all the yobbos ducking for cover? They'll be back I'm sure once it's safe to raise their heads above the bunkers. Bullies don't like it up 'em and our own bully boys have just been dealt a blow from the little blokes.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:50pm
    Paulodpotter, good to see the bullies dealt a blow from the little blokes
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:26pm
    Well I don't think they have gone quiet !! They are in the Club House ,tuning up for another Hit Out !!.. I don't care WHO Governs Australia Nor its States as long as it is done with HONESTY an OPENNESS !!..Personally I'm sick of being told only what they want to tell You ! like some Brainwashing Religions !! Make SENSIBLE DECISSIONS and not just for their own beliefs, but for the Good of the Nation !! This is NOT Happening !!
    Crazy Horse
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:09am
    Liberal electoral record under Tony Abbott:

    * South Australia - three term ALP Government re-elected giving it a record fourth term. Bye Election in 2015 sees a massive swing to the ALP Government.

    * Victoria - a first term Liberal Government thrown out.

    Queensland - a first term LNP Government with a massive majority that should have seen it easily re-eected thrown out.

    * In NSW we have an election in March, and LNP Premier Mike Baird is likely apprehensive.

    * Abbott's 1st Term Federal Government 7 points behind in the polls. Abbott's personal approval rating down to 27%.

    Got the message yet Liberals? The Australian people totally and comprehensively reject your neocon Tea Party agenda.

    We live in a society, not an economy.

    We don't care for attacks on the most vulnerable in our society.
    We don't want our assets sold.
    We want Medicare strengthened and retained.
    We want job security.
    We want education and training for our kids based on merit not on ability to pay.
    We expect Corporations to pay their way not to be given a free ride by governments.
    We don't care about free trade deals that don't benefit ordinary workers, what we want is fair trade for everyone.
    We don't fall for your ideological union bashing.

    As well as these policy areas It is increasingly clear that Australians don’t care for politicians with a sense of entitlement fattening themselves at our expense whilst simultaneously stripping us of public assets and the revenue stream that is derived from those public assets.

    We do not accept that being elected to Parliament is a ticket to enrich yourself and your mates at the public's expense. Especially if accompanied by the simultaneous grinding into the dirt of those who can least afford it.

    Being elected to Parliament is not a carte Blanche to do what you want without convincing us first that the proposed course of action is both necessary a reasonable. We do not take to blatant liars in our governments, especially after Mr Abbott's relentless sustained derision of Julia Gillard over a single instance.

    Which of course brings us to hypocrisy. We especially don't like politicians who attack their opponents only to do the same thing themselves. Nor do we like arrogant dismissive leaders who think power means they never have to explain, and account for their actions.

    Tony Abbott is the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had of either political persuasion. More incompetent that Bill McMahon and nasty as well. The sooner he goes the better.

    If the Liberal Party does not abandon it's fascination with the neocon agenda and return to it's roots it will be consigned to electoral oblivion for a very long time.
    SGW
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:29am
    Brilliant, My only worry is, is Labour the same, we need a coalition of all parties or independents to give us a fair society for all and not self serving pollies out to line their own pockets.

    Remember Joe Hockey, the age of entitlement is over, except for Joe and his mates, ? anyone got a cigar
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:24pm
    You present an interesting shopping list, Crazy. The problem is, who's going to pay for it?
    When Abbott and the LNP won the 2013 election, they found that the treasury cupboard wasn't exactly bare. It had a big IOU in it that still costs Australia $11 Billion a year just for the interest, without even touching the principal amount. Rudd, Gillard and Swan borrowed $Billions from China to pay for their schemes. Just think how far $11Billion would go toward paying for your shopping list if it wasn't being paid to China as interest.
    So do you want Abbott to send Australia even deeper into debt to pay for your shopping list? Do you expect Santa Claus to come down the chimney and pay off Australia's debt to China? Guess what. Our children and grandchildren are going to be working to pay off the debt the Labor Party stuck us all with.
    And you seem to want to return government to Labor, that got Australia into the debt mess in the first place?
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:45pm
    Crazy the name, crazy the diatribe. Typical labor misrepresentation of facts. True facts are Tony delivered on his election promises of,..well do i have to repeat them AGAIN? guess so, are you reading and taking this in Crazy? Stop the boats..DONE. Get rid of the mining tax..DONE. Get rid of the carbon tax,..DONE. Getting the economy on track,.. doing its best considering the motly crew, and ignorant opposition in the Senate. OH! not forgetting little bleating Billy's scaremongering...saying the GST is going up, and on food. LIAR.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:54pm
    Of course, btw, no-one on the labor side ever mentions the disasters caused by the last govt,ie; balls up of the roof insulation scheme, and the amount of funds wasted on school halls. All of which was in the good cause of saving the country from the GFC. What GFC? it never touched Australia, our banks where sound, it was a beat up by Rudd at his attempt to be hero of the day. OH! i almost forgot, the wasted millions on Conroys gormless NBN scheme.
    Ny19
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:13pm
    Crazy Horse, so VERY WELL said.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:06pm
    Quote from today's Press Club address:

    Right now, we’re borrowing $1 billion a month just to pay the interest on debt that the former Labor government ran up.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:10pm
    We live in a society, not an economy.

    What a ridiculous statement. The society we live in is based on an economy. What do you live on? fresh air?
    pate
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:17am
    It couldn't happen to a more deserving idiot. Talk about Abbott & Costello they are a laugh a minute. Soory that should have been Abbott & Hockey.
    PlanB
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:21am
    Go Tony and don't let the door hit you on the way out, Good Riddance.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:25am
    Ahhhh...the fickle Australian public....here we go again. Tony Abbott was NEVER popular...he only got in because the Labour Govt was in such disarray that most people simply had no choice BUT to vote for him....oh, sorry, that's right....ur not supposed to be voting for a person, you are supposed to vote for the party and the one that will do the best thing by the country....not the one that promises the most or will give you the most-it's not a competition to see who can give most of the taxpayer's money away & somebody forgot to tell the voters that it ISN'T A POPULARITY CONTEST! Of course people want Labour back in power.....they promise the world (deliver little) and pass around as much of the worker's hard earned tax dollars in undeserved handouts for their core supporters. Not hard to see why people want them back, is it now! God forbid that anyone would actually want this country to be strong, healthy and financially sound. God forbid that people would realise that life isn't about how much you can get for nothing, but what you put in you get out. I've got JFK's ... ask not ... speech ringing in my ears right now. In this day and age it's a pointless message that falls on deaf ears.
    PlanB
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:43am
    May not be a popularity contest but when you have such a half wit running the show, he needs to go.
    Wstaton
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:26pm
    Tony Abbott isn't the only reason this government is going wonky. You do not have to be liked as long as you do a good job and the right thing.

    The LNP did not promise (well maybe in some areas) the world but at the same time they said that they would not touch certain things which they reneged on once they got into power.

    People don't like having things done that may hurt them somewhat but will wear it if it is spead fairly but not when it is one sided.

    How can one trust someone who puts all the heat on the less well off then proposes a $5.5 billion PPL package for many who do not need it.

    If I hear the words "we stopped the boats", "we got rid of the carbon tax" etc again I will go bonkers.

    Let me tell you Abbott I just got a notice from my electricity supplier that my peak rate has gone up 19% and my service charge has gone up 14.8%.

    That makes getting rid of the carbon tax peanuts.
    Wstaton
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:26pm
    Tony Abbott isn't the only reason this government is going wonky. You do not have to be liked as long as you do a good job and the right thing.

    The LNP did not promise (well maybe in some areas) the world but at the same time they said that they would not touch certain things which they reneged on once they got into power.

    People don't like having things done that may hurt them somewhat but will wear it if it is spead fairly but not when it is one sided.

    How can one trust someone who puts all the heat on the less well off then proposes a $5.5 billion PPL package for many who do not need it.

    If I hear the words "we stopped the boats", "we got rid of the carbon tax" etc again I will go bonkers.

    Let me tell you Abbott I just got a notice from my electricity supplier that my peak rate has gone up 19% and my service charge has gone up 14.8%.

    That makes getting rid of the carbon tax peanuts.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:52pm
    "I just got a notice from my electricity supplier that my peak rate has gone up 19% and my service charge has gone up 14.8%."

    So take it up with your supplier Wstaton. Argue the toss with them, they are the ones increasing prices. Then do your homework and change supplier to one with a lower cost. Electricity suppliers are not Government Departments, all are state based private entities although a few work across state borders.

    Much as it may irk, not everything is Mr Abbott's fault.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:03pm
    Wstaton Quote: Let me tell you Abbott I just got a notice from my electricity supplier that my peak rate has gone up 19% and my service charge has gone up 14.8%. End Quote. maybe here a little lesson in economics, install roof panels and sell power back, i do, my last bill was $7, before that a credit of $12.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:53pm
    The first mistake the LNP made was voting for Abbott to be party leader, things would have been soooooo different if Malcolm was in charge.
    Crazy Horse
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:31am
    The country was "strong, healthy and financially sound." Then Abbott and Murdoch convinced the country that there was a crisis even though all the evidence showed there was not. Now the country really is in crisis and an international laughing stock thanks to the antics of these incompetents.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:28pm
    Really!! We weren't all hiding under a rock the last 10 years Crazy Horse. C'mon. You don't honestly believe what you wrote, surely?!
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:32pm
    Crazy, you forgot to mention how six years of Labor Party cash splashes got Australia so deep in debt we have to pay $11Billion to China every year as interest. That $11 Billion is money that could be spent on welfare, health and infrastructure if it were not for Labor's wasteful spending.
    If Australia is, as you say, in crisis and a laughing stock, it is because of the incompetent three stooges, Rudd, Gillard and Swan and those who put them in government in the first place.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:31pm
    wally and BeezNeez,
    Gee guys open your eyes up the Liberal Party Never does wrong????? give me a break??
    old Johnny Howard sold off Telstra before his last election ..........because he over spend and put us in the red..........also the Baby Bonus they brought in and also trying to bring in PPL........we cant afford it and its costing taxpayers heaps.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:12pm
    tia-maria, One of the best things economically then prime minister Mr Howard did was sell off Telstra, the reasons are obvious today. he did not put us in the red. Labor was left a bounty of 42 billion dollars in surplus, which they wasted on the most stupid, incompetent ideas Rudd dreamed up on his dinner napkins. The reason was to save us from the GFC...which did not have a direct effect on this country, our banks where/are sound.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:12pm
    Not once in any comment here or personally would I, or have I ever suggested that the Liberal Party does no wrong...u must have me confused with one of ur comrades! My comments only go to what I believe to be true or untrue. Our views may differ but that does not mean u r right and i am wrong or vice versa....nor does it mean that I see only good where there is fault. But I'd prefer looking at the BIG picture instead of inconsequential and mindless jibber jabber, designed to detract from real issues.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:28pm
    tia, open your eyes. Or are you in the business of putting your bias ahead of recognizing the facts. What John Howard did in the past has no relevance to the present discussion. But the fact you decided to bring it up suggests that you cannot think of any other Liberal mistakes to belabour us all with.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:32pm
    Also tia, did you forget that the Howard Costello government left a budget surplus of $42 Billion? How does that square with your allegation that he had overspent and had to sell Telstra. By the way, what did Kevin and Julia do with that surplus? where did the money go?
    Seagull
    2nd Feb 2015
    11:57am
    I GUESS the debt has been paid. what crisis? Talk about a ship of fools, welcome to australia.
    We are on the same path as Greece and Argentina. For me its hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Good luck everyone, breaking news the mining boom is over.
    Polly Esther
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:36pm
    yes and watch the rats desert the sinking ship
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:26pm
    It seems Seagull that people only want good news stories....truth is a meal difficult to digest....tell me lies, sweet little lies...according to the dimmed memories of the Labour and Greens supporters all was well in the Land of Oz until the mean Monk took power, but alas he held up a mirror....the reflection was something the people didn't like....so he must be done away with. Apparently there was no GFC-at the very least none here were affected and we certainly could not have been in recovery mode when the Libs took the shambles back! Seems some have hurriedly forgotten the chaos of Gillard and Rudd. And faced with reality they'd much prefer the nothingness of the current mindless Labour crop. And let's hurl abuse and bad words too, instead of actually stringing a sentence together to explain their real issues-again personal dislike, calling someone an a/hole and DH etc. shows more about their own character than the person they speak of.
    Paulodapotter
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:01pm
    And of course you're the bees neez and would do so much better. If we could all stop listening to the lies told by professional politicians about their opposition, we would all benefit. We've got to keep the bastards honest and we need another party to do that.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:45pm
    ...bit off track paulodapotter...don't think I claimed I could personally do better....don't reccal mentioning it. Could u? Nevertheless i will take it as a compliment regardless of your intentions! Perhaps I could....hmmmmm. :-)
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:35pm
    Willie, are you suggesting a new out migration of people taking to the boats and seeking asylum in Indonesia as Australia's situation worsens?
    Tigers
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:45pm
    He needs to do the honorable thing and step down. He's probably the most unpopular politician in the country at this point in time. Being so arrogant, he wont see that its his bully boy attitude thats causing the demise of the Liberal Govt, not only federal, but in the states as well. We're playing musical chairs all over the country at this point in time, because neither parties are viable options, one is as bad as the other. Im of the belief, that if we were to take the best of all Ministers and Senators from the entire country, we wouldnt make a half decent cabinet. Sad state of affairs.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:54pm
    Well no, Tigers, Mr Campbell lost his seat and the State election all on his own.
    Tigers
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:45pm
    He needs to do the honorable thing and step down. He's probably the most unpopular politician in the country at this point in time. Being so arrogant, he wont see that its his bully boy attitude thats causing the demise of the Liberal Govt, not only federal, but in the states as well. We're playing musical chairs all over the country at this point in time, because neither parties are viable options, one is as bad as the other. Im of the belief, that if we were to take the best of all Ministers and Senators from the entire country, we wouldnt make a half decent cabinet. Sad state of affairs.
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    12:51pm
    For the sake of the Party he needs to resign and let Malcolm Turnbull take over.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:11pm
    Mar....far too late.........Liberal are on their way out thank god.......
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:03pm
    The 'people' have to have someone to blame KSS...may as well blame the govt!
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:12pm
    Newman and Abbott are tarred with the same brush. Arrogant, into their own agenda and not the People's. That's the underlying problem. Give them both a knighthood and get rid of them.
    jamesmn
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:55pm
    a knighthood you have to be joking he and his senior ministers all of them have hung themselves including bishop she had the video proof the same as abbot did when he was here to produce that he was involved in the downing of the plane and did not produce the information all a pack of clowns have a double dissolution now and force a election now.
    mangomick
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:47pm
    Malcolm Turnbull /Julia Bishop quinella sounds like a shot in the arm for Liberalism and a move away from the Ultra conservatives. Even a Malcolm Turnbull/Mal Brough quinella may be refreshing. I heard Scott Morrisons name bandied about and that sent shivers down my back.
    disillusioned
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:49pm
    Crazy Horse - you couldn't have said it better.
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:53pm
    Mangomick. I felt the same shivers!!!
    Paulodapotter
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:55pm
    Funny how quiet the conservative one-eyed brigade has become. Are all the yobbos ducking for cover? They'll be back I'm sure once it's safe to raise their heads above the bunkers. Bullies don't like it up 'em and our own bully boys have just been dealt a blow from the little blokes.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:23pm
    Given the insulting tenor of your comment, it is no wonder people with differing views have not bothered to respond to what was an eminently predictable outpouring of venom and vitriol towards Mr Abbott, the current Federal Government and the LNP more generally.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:43pm
    Hard to get a word in edge ways when the Left Brigade start spouting their mouths off, togther with the low blows that seem to naturally follow as the chips fly off their shoulders. Actually it rarely stops-even when Labour have power it continues-seems they aren't even happy when they have what they want! Seems some people just need something to whine about! Normally I wouldn't bother putting my two bob's in but it seemed you were all a little worked up (again)....so it's interesting watching the non-topic responses flying thick and fast!
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:49pm
    Paullodaptter, unfortunately there are plenty of sour Liberal voters out their at present.........again passing the blame on past Labor party.........bye the way BeenZeez I have notice you have been putting your 2 bobs worth in mate....and we are all entitle to our opinions
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:09pm
    Ur right tia maria...on the ball again i see.....yes, i have been putting my two bob's in (hope that's ok with u). Bit of a lose / lose here really...one minute we r accused of not speaking up then when we do seems that bothers u too! If u read my comment, I said i don't NORMALLY bother...it's because of the mindless sort of dribble ur contributing that i would usually refrain! And yes, we are ALL entitled to our opinions...thanks for pointing that out.
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    1:59pm
    Crazy Horse - Not so crazy. Spot on in fact.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:48pm
    Not exactly spot on, he missed mentioning the election promises carried out by this govt, and the sheer bloody mess left by the labour Rudd and Gillard. Oh! but they where popular, thats all that counts for labour voters?
    Bes
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:06pm
    Queensland has hopefully set the precedence!
    The majority of the people do NOT want the assets of Australia sold off!
    PM Tony Abbott has stated that the Australian people (the electorate) are smart enough to know the difference between State issues and Federal issues.
    It would seem that Tony Abbott refuses to learn and we shall see a one term Liberal State Party and also a one term Federal Party?
    It's not necessarily that the people prefer Labor it's because they don't want Liberal. HOW many times can politicians of BOTH party's lie to the Australian electorate and get away with it?
    To get into power and then lie and then to bite the hand that feeds them?
    The Queensland outcome reflects that Australians have had enough of professional politicians riding roughshod over the electorate once in power.
    Professional politicians who, when voted OUT of office, we are forced to pay for their natural lives.....for losing their job?
    I would suggest that both Labor and Liberal and any other Political Party that may seek power, should take notice and begin to MANAGE our assets to the very best of their ability for the good of ALL Australians and not take office in order to SELL us out once in power!
    No one has an automatic mandate to SELL Australian assets when voted into power.
    They belong to the people of Australia and are to be mined and refined and MANAGED for the benefit of Australia!
    The continuous changing of government is not a good thing, it's expensive to say the least.
    But lessons need to be learnt by anyone who has ideals of becoming a politician. Don't lie to the electorate. Be both a good manager and legislator.
    Maybe it IS time for change as both state and federal governments fail to understand what the majority of the electorate require. And also MANAGE the assets that Australia has.
    Too Many Cooks??
    A time to discuss a Republic with less state politicians and with both state and federal politicians paid in full upon retirement?
    Paulodapotter
    3rd Feb 2015
    1:22am
    Thanks, Bes. An intelligent response at last. I am tired of the one-eyed brigade venting their wrath on one side or another, rather than looking at the political culture that has developed denying the people that politicians represent from the representation they pay them to provide.
    41Alpha
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:22pm
    I thought Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard were absolutely hopeless Prime ministers, but sadly Tony Abbott takes first prize. Giving Prince Philip an Australian of the year award was the final straw, I'm just grateful he didn't give it to Robert Mugabe.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:28pm
    41Alpha, Mr Abbott did NOT give Australian of the Year to Prince Phillip. Prince Phillip was awarded an Australian Knighthood. Please be critical if you must but at least get the facts right first.
    41Alpha
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:38pm
    Gee, thanks for correcting me, I got it all wrong......So Tony is not so hopeless after all.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:01pm
    hey KSS are you sure you have the facts right????????
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:19pm
    Yes tia-maria. The Australian of the Year is Ms Rosie Batty for her work in domestic violence after her husband killed their son at a cricket match a year ago.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:37pm
    Maybe Rupert is cranky with Tony because he missed out on a Knight hood when Tony gave it to Phil the Greek.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:59pm
    that's right Abbott gave him the Knighthood??? what an fool
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:17pm
    tia, your jealousy is showing. Maybe your turn will come next year.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:25pm
    Hey wally, my jealousy is not showing......... my friend...... just take a look at Labor massive Win in QLD I am smiling big times.........Cant wait until the NSW elections......I am a proud Balmain girl from way back a true blue Labor supporter and proud of it........
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:31pm
    As Australia is still a monarchy, and The Duke of Edinburgh is married to the Queen,it is still accepted practise to lay these type of honours on individuals such as the Prince when of very advanced age (92?). It is just an unofficial protocol, it does nothing, it means nothing (especially to the Prince i assume). basically it is just an official politeness. There is no need for callousness, rudeness, or denigration.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:55pm
    Sorry tia, but as being a rusted on Laborite, the rust must be corroding your ability to look at things rationally.
    bebby
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:38pm
    Hello BeezNeez, what is this LABOUR Party you are denigrating? Never heard of them.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:47pm
    Sorry, made a spelling boo boo....glad we are sticking to hard hitting facts and staying on topic though. Have you proof read everyone's comments, I look foward to your grammar and spelling report for each response by the end of the day. :-)
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:52pm
    Stop Pecking on My Spilling Messtakes !!
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:38pm
    We were doing ok in the Howard years and our taxes were coming down, so too was our cost of living. Our bank balance was increasing, we had amassed savings of $70b in the future fund. Australia had a budget surplus of $20b.
    But since then we have wasted so much.
    It appears we have emptied our bank balance in a spending spree like drunken sailors on shore leave. And we have nothing to show for it apart from a huge interest bill on borrowings. We gave $3b to Holden and Ford and anyone else who couldn't turn a profit under a union led government. I recall we gave $20m to a company to continue making under crackers and they lasted 12 months before going off shore with Rudd asking for our $20m back. What an embarrassment. We wasted $1.5b on the ABC and $700m to chanel 7. We gave $11b to Telstra and then committed $50b to upgrade their old copper lines. All this so that Telstra could continue with Foxtel to grow their business.
    We realised our mistake and returned to a conservative government. Unfortunately like Greece the SA, Victorian and now the QLD economy is headed down the sewer.
    The least we can all do is give the Abbott Federal team a couple of terms and a little support to do the clean up job.
    Bes
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:47pm
    So let us remember the good ship Labor Party, setting sale loaded with bullion and captained by Captain Rudd.
    Until the mutiny!!
    It was then crewed by a mixed bunch, some who were faithful to the new Captain Gillard and others who plotted yet another mutiny.
    Some might say it was a ‘Rudderless’ ship and in need of a new captain!
    We Australians watched in horror as the ship appeared to be out of control as it pitched and rolled, obviously devoid of stabilizers and with no planned course.
    This ship was revolutionary when built in 2007 and was voted and paid for and put into commission by the majority of Australians.
    Alas the ship never seemed to follow the course that was originally set.
    A mutiny occurred and the new captain set sail under indirect orders from two factions of mutineers (called Greens and Independents) who found themselves indirectly running the ship!
    The Australian nation who paid for the ship in the first place, had to continue to pay their taxes for the ships upkeep.
    It’s cargo of Australian dollars disappeared as it wandered on it’s erratic course, sending both goodwill and millions of dollars around the world!
    The ship will go down in history as one of the most expensive in Australia’s history.
    When it finally returned to port the Australian nation had to pension off TWO captains!!
    At that moment in time, I feel sure that two things sprang to the minds of most Australians, Guy Fawkes and Icebergs! But here we go again?
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:03pm
    Is that yours Bes....it's brilliant. It won't be 'heard' by those with their already closed ears...but it's brilliant nonetheless.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:14pm
    To follow the ship analogy, It would seem that the new Skipper Abbott found the Good Ship Australia was infested with dry rot and leaks after six years of Labor command.
    Skipper Abbott's efforts to effect the necessary repairs to make the Good Ship Australia sea worthy again have been thwarted by a mutinous gang of nay saying ruffians in the Senate, egged on by a noisy crown of buffoons who cannot recognize the parlous state the Good Ship Australia is truly in. These naysayers and denialists are preventing necessary work to go ahead and hope to regain control of the Good Ship in 2016, which by then, will have settled into the bottom of the harbour as a hopeless wreck with all of us on board to share the misery.
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:39pm
    jamesmn. I WAS joking!!
    jaybee
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:43pm
    Here's an interesting read on Abbott's views - https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/02/all-costs-dark-psychology-abbott-government-climate-policy. Globally, who agrees with him? Can those of you who support his views please provide a list of countries or international organisations that agree with him? There must be some! The British Conservatives think he's bonkers. Besides the majority of Australians, those who disagree with him include the UN, the G20 members, the IMF, the World Bank, the US, China, the pope, the IPCC, etc, etc. The list goes on. Worrying for Australians and the Libs is the fact that knighting the Duke of Edinburgh shows how his thinking is so out of whack with us Aussies and the rest of the world.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:35pm
    jaybee, why are you so worried about 'what the neighbours think'?

    Surely an indicator of maturity is when you start living your own life without worrying about what everyone thinks about you. Not everyone will agree with you and you don't have to be liked by all. That's life!

    Quite honestly, I doubt 'the rest of the world' gives the daily goings on in Australia much, if any, thought at all. They really don't care!
    Wstaton
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:51pm
    Just read that jaybee some reading. Rather scary just like the Nazi's took over I would think.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:54pm
    Well I have been a non-reversible Liberal Voter since 1958.
    Tony the Turkey almost changed my mind but, if the $7 co-payment and the big lotto win for the Richie's stay off the agenda, I will stay with the Libs minus the Turkey for another session. I just hope that whoever takes his place whether it be Julie, Bill or Scott learns from the Turkies, Terrible Tirade of Trash.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:59pm
    Young simmo Hi again......No guts no glory mate....for once stop sitting on the fence hoping for a better results from your devoted Liberal party...........
    Young Simmo
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:57pm
    tia-maria, you are obviously a supporter of Potato Head and his bludging union party. For all Tony's faults at least he didn't try and buy votes by giving everybody $900.
    Also why don't you hop off the fence and discuss the subject under discussion, instead of attacking me because you are too dumb to make a sensible comment.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:55pm
    Young Simmo,............. First I bet you never gave back the $900 ?????????........... sorry to inform you Tony did buy votes and unfortunately did not deliver....PPL was one..........left the man red faced
    Young Simmo
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:06pm
    Of course I didn't give it back, that $900 was my compensation for having to listen to Krudd and Bloodnut carry on like a pair Kindergarten kids. Now I should double every time that union suckhole opens his gob.
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:26pm
    young simmo spoken like a true Liberal, good mate at least we can have a giggle between us when the elections come around.....
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:12pm
    Well all I can say is ! At the very least He was HONEST after the Election And Actually Gave what He PROMISED !! Now there's a Start !! He didn't Talk GUFF Then Reverse it as Soon as they Made Him King of Canberra County ???
    bebby
    2nd Feb 2015
    2:57pm
    BeezNeez. Don't hold your breath. I gave up proof reading years ago.
    I had to comment as I hate to see my beloved LABOR Party incorrectly spelt.
    Oh dear, here I go again, not being serious enough.
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:08pm
    That's ok bebby....I figured as much....I didn't take you seriously anyway....so no need for apologies. Was just glad to see the status quo retained on the one eyed front was all. :-)
    Mar
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:00pm
    jaybee, he's known as the mad monk in Britain.
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:58pm
    No he is not
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:16pm
    He's known as the Smudgy Buggler !!
    Seagull
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:08pm
    an aside at least 30 countries have given prince Philip an award , so what is the beef. I think there is a cringe factor at play.
    I notice the gimme gimme crowd are in full cry, talk about selfishness.Denial is not only a river in africa
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:26pm
    I agree Seagull. What an outcry over something that affects no-one.

    As another aside, I wonder how many Australians have at one time been involved in the Duke of Edinburgh's Award?
    Wstaton
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:26pm
    Apart from this how many of the 50 odd things has Prince Phil actually participated in. He is just a figurehead.
    fat
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:09pm
    keep abbott then libs will lose next election only hope for us.All pollies seem to sell of our assets mostly the libs.to say look at yhe big surplus we've got and forgetting a good business sells it's assets as a very last resort .Would you sell off a business making millions only idiots do that.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:00pm
    Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it.
    Do you remember the charismatic Kevin 07 of 2007? After the gloss wore off to expose him as a tantrum throwing brat whose manner offended those who had to work with him, the Labor Caucus couldn't dump him fast enough. He was replaced by Julia Gillard, who just got Labor over the line in the 2010 election, with Bob Brown's permission and the support of a handful of independents.
    The ill advised spending splurges of the Rudd and Gillard governments sent Australia so far into debt to China that is costs $11 Billion a year to just pay the interest owed without reducing the principal amount that was borrowed. Our kids and grandkids will be repaying Labor's.debt. Try to imagine what the $11 Billion interest payments to China could be spent on in Australia (health, welfare, pensions, infrastructure) if the money was not going overseas.
    I hope you remember to thank your kids for the Stimulus payment, pink batts,
    the tv set top box you got and the NBN you might get someday, because they are the ones paying for it, and will be doing so for years to come.
    Just as the six years of Labor that the smiling Kevin07 ushered in 2007 that had some nasty surprises for Australians, I can omly dread what will be in store should Labor be restored to government in 2016.
    Anonymous
    3rd Feb 2015
    10:23am
    How easily people forget the stuff ups of Labor.
    I well remember the proposed "super clinics" that were supposed to be built.

    34 were all that occurred and ..."THE federal government has suspended funding to three GP super clinics promised under Labor’s bungled $650 million rollout and will audit a dozen more after it was discovered that they had been sitting on millions of dollars of taxpayers money since 2010 without a sod being turned."

    How anyone can think Labor were good manages defies belief.
    bebby
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:20pm
    Hey BeezNeez, TRUCE

    Bi now
    BeezNeez
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:42pm
    Done....and I won't comment on your potentially purposeful spelling error either, Ok .;-)
    PlanB
    2nd Feb 2015
    3:44pm
    Today once again Abbott made a bloody fool of himself in the National Press Club speech, he repeats and repeats himself and never answers the questions, I am sure he has a real mental problem. He spoke just pure shite!
    tia-maria
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:26pm
    PlanB yes he sure did.........foot and mouth disease with this guy...........at least I had a great chuckle
    Foxy
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:13pm
    yeah - if I heard him say the "Captains Call" once more - I woulda thrown up! Ugh!!!
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:03pm
    "ABANDON SHIP !!"
    Seagull
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:10pm
    We have a large section of the population that are dreamers. That is nothing has to be paid for, a utopia were the government hands out stuff. Instead of self reliance , hard work and
    living with in your means, we have resentment and jealousy.We are living in a fools paradise
    that can only end in tears.
    Essdubbya
    2nd Feb 2015
    4:48pm
    There'll be a 'spill' within 2 weeks with a sacrificial goat leading the charge and a strong possibility that Julie Bishop will be the next PM.
    Of greater interest will be the 'team'. Joe Hockey et al. They are equally as unpopular as Tony Abbott. Will we see major changes in portfolios and ideologies?

    2nd Feb 2015
    5:20pm
    Now that the mining boom is over, there is less revenue, we have a large interest bill to pay the only way now is to raise taxes. Can anyone suggest another way to get money in the government coffers?
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2015
    5:20pm
    P.S. Cracking down on tax avoidance will not raise enough.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:00pm
    But a Billion bucks an Acre Will !! For Australian Land !!.... 40 Acre paddock Debt Settled !!.... :-)
    Emps
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:03pm
    Quote from today's Press Club address:

    Right now, we’re borrowing $1 billion a month just to pay the interest on debt that the former Labor government ran up.

    Thanks labour (or labor, if thats what you prefer).
    Adrianus
    7th Feb 2015
    8:14am
    Emps, it is frightening that those on the left continue to deny that. This means any expenditure which increases is borrowed, adding to that interest bill and making it harder to manage. I can only imagine that those who are in denial are selfish in the extreme and have no children.
    Hawkeye
    7th Feb 2015
    12:14pm
    Frank, so you agree that the huge deficit increase since Sep 2013 is "borrowed, adding to that interest bill and making it harder to manage". Thankyou, you have seen the light.

    Emps, how much of that $1 billion dollars a month goes to pay the interest on debt inherited from john Howard's 2007 election pork-barrelling, and Tony Abbott's gifts to the rich? I think, if you bother to check the facts, you will find the answer is MOST.

    That's what happens when you have GOVERNMENT BY THE RICH FOR THE RICH.
    particolor
    7th Feb 2015
    12:39pm
    Well Well !! There is No Labour Now !! And that is the Problem !! :-(
    Australia was once a Manufacturing Nation, We Made Everything HERE ! :-)
    We had the Coal the Iron Ore and most other commodities, and were All But Self Sufficient ! :-) I wont go into the Suckhole from the Monarchy bit ! Ill leave that for others Wiser than I !! Some Bright Sparks thought we could Buy it cheaper from Overseas where the workers slaved for a Dollar a week ?? And Down Hill We Went !! :-(..Now I'll leave it to Hawkeye and His last Sentence to finish !!
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    6:39pm
    Take that Sword off Captain Abbott before He Knights Murdoch and gets us all into trouble !!
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:39pm
    Actually, making Rupert a knight might make him like Tony again!

    2nd Feb 2015
    6:45pm
    I listened to Abbotts speech today at the Press Club, yawn....same old, same old, what a bore, the only person he would convince of his 'new leaf' is himself if he were looking in a mirror. This donkey needs to go, worst PM ever!
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:47pm
    if you judge how good a Prime Minister is by how good a speech writer he or she has, look at the US President. President Obama is probably the best orator going today, but nearly all the proposed laws (and 6 House of Reps elections since he was elected in 2010) he has tried to get through the US congress have all fallen in a heap. So is Obama a bigger, or lesser failure than Abbott?
    Do you think actions speak louder than words, or do you think words speak more loudly than deeds and actions?
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:58pm
    He is all for I slum That's Why !!
    wally
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:49pm
    BTW trood, both Mussolini and Hitler were pretty good in the Oratory Department. Look what they wound up doing to their countries and people.
    Travellersjoy
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:40pm
    They all need to go.

    Their recipe for Australia is laced with arsenic. Our economy is dying, and it got worse with the election of the LNP.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:48pm
    I think you have confused Labor with the LNP.
    wally
    2nd Feb 2015
    7:49pm
    And your assessment is about 7 years behind the times.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:22pm
    Well we've had our 7 Years of Bad Luck now !! Time for Tones to give us 7 Years of Good Luck ??..As Promised ??
    Travellersjoy
    3rd Feb 2015
    9:43am
    I am absolutely not confused.

    The ALP have been playing neocon economics too, sucking up to the big end of town.

    It has got much, much worse under the LNP.

    I will consider voting Labor when the get over their addiction to Chicago school economics, and actually collect tax from the wealthy.
    particolor
    3rd Feb 2015
    3:27pm
    Lookout Uncle Screege $$$
    Ny19
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:23pm
    I think the Libs might be internally torn about what to do about Abbott. If they are smart they will replace him because there is no doubting that he is a fool and not liked by the majority of Aussies. I think he lacks insight and will not change regardless of his pretence to be more consultative in future. He is an embarrassment but the real problem is the party ideology which has shifted a long way right of true liberal values. This is, in effect, a Tea Party government and will continue to be in trouble while it remains so. One thing is certain, Abbott is not going to go of his own accord. He made that quite clear at the Press Club today.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:34pm
    Yes He stopped Just Short of saying Australians Knighted Him at the last Election ??
    will
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:33pm
    Stop talking - take some action get rid of Tony & do what the voters put you idiots in Govenment for!!!!!!!Not happy & willing to go - let the voters kick you out & don't come back until the end of the world!!!!!!!!!!Australian politicians are very good in blaming the opposition for the mess they are in - it is never their fault - its the opposition's fault.............gutless !!!!!!!!
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:43pm
    Now I was led to believe that The Opposition and the Senate had to PASS any Proposal for legislation ?? ???? Who's Blaming Who ?? They must have agreed to something when Labor was in ?? So Why the Buck Passing ?? "You did it !".."No I Didn't !"... "Yes You did !!"..........
    richc
    2nd Feb 2015
    9:09pm
    Of course it's hugely the previous Labour Government's fault - read Abbot's address to the National Press Club today, since you have been relentlessly bombarded with lies from Shorten & the left media, to get some perspective! Now Labour & it's cohort, the Green are pulling out all the mean tricks to frustrate Abbot from repairing the horrific deficit and debt!
    richc
    2nd Feb 2015
    8:54pm
    I respect Tony for having the courage to "break" his election promises! Before the last election Labour party misled us all, Tony included, about the budget deficit and debt: The deficit turned up to be $48,000 millions, not $18,000 millions; and the debt ? - In 2007, under Howard, we had a strong and sustainable budget with a $20 billion surplus and $50 billion in the bank. After six chaotic years of Labor in Government, the deficit had blown out to $50 billion and gross debt was skyrocketing towards $667 billion! Also the price of our largest export, iron ore has halved over the last year alone.... Lots more stuff in his address to the National Press Club. Under the circumstances, LNP under Tony has done well!
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    9:13pm
    667 Billion ?? I could buy the Moon for that !!
    Paulodapotter
    3rd Feb 2015
    1:31am
    I think Richc has been listening to one side of politics view of the other side too much and for too long. Do some independent research, instead of relying upon political commentators commenting on political decisions. Politicians and media advisers all have vested interests which have no relationship to what your vested interest is. Political propaganda is worthless and worth less than the paper it's written on and the air it uses up. None of your figures stack up, Richc and I am at a complete loss as to where you got them from. Sources please?
    will
    2nd Feb 2015
    9:05pm
    Stop talking & get rid of the arrogant/gangster Tony if he is not willing to go or his MPs refuse to get rid of him then let the people decide & kick him out for good - at least the Qld deposed Premier Campbell has the good sense to leave politics for good at least with his faults he is a gentleman!!!!!The present Cabinet has a few ministers not fit to be Ministers - they are rude/arrogant&uneducated inspite of having a University education - what a waste of public money!!!!!!!!!!
    Paulodapotter
    3rd Feb 2015
    1:23am
    Unrepresentative swill, Will?
    Hawkeye
    3rd Feb 2015
    11:15am
    I see all the posts containing "colourful" language have been removed overnight. How cute.
    I didn't realise this forum was for the kiddies (who use much more colourful language anyhow).
    particolor
    3rd Feb 2015
    3:33pm
    Collideoscopic Error ?
    moke
    3rd Feb 2015
    2:19pm
    OH! dear dear lets just give up on our voting system and copy the
    Americans we seem to copy most things American even Super Bowl has been televised as being important. I just think of the song "Those were the days my friend" but they did end and look where we are now. I feel sorry for the upcoming generation they will have the hard job getting this country back if we own any of it by then.
    bookwyrm
    4th Feb 2015
    6:50am
    Old Roo Poo needs to stop acting like HE is the real PM of Oz. The Brits got rid of him, why can‘t we.

    Hopefully whoever stabs Sir Tones in the back will prove to be as hated as him. I want to see the LNP keeping on making mistakes all the way to the next election.
    particolor
    4th Feb 2015
    9:34am
    Good Golly !! Looks like the only friend He has is His Shaving Mirror ?? :-(
    Kopernicus
    4th Feb 2015
    7:38am
    I'm really weary of reading about inter generational debt and where the money's gonna come from.
    Yes, there is a deficit, but it ain't an emergency, it can be taken care off over time. Why have budget measures been opposed - because they were punitive on the most vulnerable sector of our society and totally ignored numerous and unreasonable tax lurks available to business and those on high incomes.

    How did we get there? How about Howard's contribution of repeated income tax cuts as election bribes of which 80% went to 20% of top earners, who certainly could have survived without it. That's 30 billion more revenue now forgone. What about the 10 billion from carbon tax, forgone on ideology of climate change denial. Anyone noticed their electricity bill or other prices going down? Why is this deficit so much higher with "the adults" in charge?

    The expenditure can be reduced in a more socially equitable way via changes to middle class welfare eg family benefit payments for those on high incomes, changes to tax breaks for super contributions (cost as much as the aged pension). Or by raising tax collections, like from the multinationals that don't pay it, family trust tax lurks, capital gains (halved by Howard), fringe benefit lurks. Why has the Tax Dept been decimated with huge job losses?

    This government has been candid with it's contempt for the ordinary Australian. Anyone being a recipient of pensions or benefits or subsidised access to services like welfare, health, education is a LEANER ie a bludger of no value to this neocon world. If you are a LIFTER (a corporation or well paid individual), we'll reward you by letting you off paying your dues.
    So, little wonder that unemployment benefits, aged/disability pensions, access to health education and social services (like domestic violence) can all be decimated cause leaners get more than enough already.

    An ugly and cruel view of a society, very un Australian, a growing majority are sharing as demonstrated in QLD.

    I too have concerns for future generations. With negative gearing allowed and encouraged by low capital gains private real estate investment (by us boomers it seems) is at an all time high. Current, let alone future generations will simply find entry into housing hugely burdensome or impossible.
    What about climate change? Imagine a red hot planet inherited by future generations, with us to blame. This govt is the worse ever, by far - even John was going to play ball with climate action.
    Anonymous
    5th Feb 2015
    6:45am
    Good post Kopernicus, good points raised...
    particolor
    5th Feb 2015
    8:38am
    Hear Hear !!
    BeezNeez
    5th Feb 2015
    10:20am
    Just glad ur not in charge of my household budget Kopernicus! "I'm really weary of reading about inter generational debt and where the money's gonna come from.
    Yes, there is a deficit, but it ain't an emergency, it can be taken care off over time." That statement there sums up why we are on different sides of the thought process. If we don't start paying it down it doesn't stop growing, even if another cent was never added to it (which of course won't happen) it compounds exponentially. How much time should we take before it's addressed? When should it be paid off? How? By whom?

    And how dare the current generations attempt to secure themselves a safer financial future by investment through sources such as negative gearing. You have limited insight into the actual workings of the system that you feel so threatened by it. It must've occured to you by now that we are an aging population....that means that for many by the time they retire (at 70 no less - not 65-or younger-that many on this site would have been), there may well be very little pension support-there will be more aged than employed! Surely it is a responsible thing for people to attempt to NOT live off the aged pension....to be able to support themselves. That's somewhere between 20-30 years with NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS, because of self sufficiency. The savings of being self sufficient far outweigh the small amount that negative gearing handsout to investors. Not to mention that the vast majority of investors are just mums and dads with ONE extra property. I can tell you now. My parents are both in their 70's. They worked damn hard all their lives, they didn't have superannuation as they were self employed but they saved and it looked like they would retire comfortably. Unfortunately, though the GFC hit...all they can do now is look back and WISH they'd bought an extra property or two instead of putting their money into the bank, they would have been fully self funded but instead they now have to rely on a pension.
    bookwyrm
    5th Feb 2015
    5:06pm
    You have nailed it, Kopernicus! Hear hear! LNP want Australia to be like the USA, no welfare at all, no Medicare, no help to go to University.
    particolor
    5th Feb 2015
    7:08pm
    Just saw a Clip ! :-( they live in Boxes under the Overpass .. Swaggies !!
    Anonymous
    6th Feb 2015
    10:50am
    80% of retirees are receiving a full or part pension

    I agree with your comments BeezNeez....there are a great many who have struggled all their lives to get where they are today and I applaud anyone who has done so. Unfortunately many others do not. The fact they are not a drain on the country is not considered. They are using their "own" money to support them in retirement, no one elses and still paying tax, medicare levy and in the majority of cases private health insurance.
    SGW
    5th Feb 2015
    9:54am
    http://insidestory.org.au/conservatives-in-crisis

    you only have to read the first paragraph to understand right wing politics
    particolor
    5th Feb 2015
    1:29pm
    Doesn't Poor Joe look down there !! Dropped a Hundred Bucks and found 10 Cents ?:-(
    I liked the bit about giving JUST ENOUGH to the Paupers to keep them happy ! :-)
    My Just Enough could do with a slight Boost, not Greedy like ! but just enough !!.
    No wonder they carry on like they do, with what they are taught there ??.
    No hope for us Serfs with that Attitude :-(
    Anonymous
    6th Feb 2015
    10:42am
    I think Turnbull will be the leader come next week.

    Then we will see everyone turn on him for a change instead of Abbott.

    I wonder what flaws will be picked in him. He is a good looking man and does not have big ears but he does have a lot of money so maybe that will be his Achilles heel. On the other hand maybe not as Mr Rudd and his wife are worth squillions and they did not have a go at him over that.

    Will be interesting to see how the cartoonists caricture him. Maybe they will enhance the shape of his jaw to make it jut out;)
    particolor
    6th Feb 2015
    2:58pm
    Will it be TA or MT ? ..Stay Tuned !!
    TA... 55/10
    MT...6/4 on and Fav..
    Hawkeye
    6th Feb 2015
    9:43pm
    Being the egotists that they are, I don't think any of the top runners will want to take over a party headed for electoral doom. I reckon some second rate outsider will pick up the reins as a sacrificial lamb to be dumped after the election. Or they might even stick with the mad monk, again to be sacrificed after the election.

    But why the hell can't they all grow up and start working together for the good of Australia instead of for their respective parties?

    Here in SA, while our government is not ideal, at least we have an ex-leader of the State Liberals as a Minister in a Labor Government, and we used to have a National (NAZI) Party MP as a Minister for the Murray, so it seems that they can work together in the right circumstances.
    Young Simmo
    6th Feb 2015
    3:23pm
    If Tony Abbott had half a brain and wanted an ounce of respect he would through his hands up in the air and say. "I have stuffed up and made a mess of things, go ahead and find somebody who can do the job better".
    B U T, his fat head won't let him do the sensible thing, and we will all have to suffer through the usual Parliamentary Bu**dust.
    particolor
    6th Feb 2015
    4:47pm
    I like Him !! I always wonder what will come out next ??
    bookwyrm
    7th Feb 2015
    3:21am
    Sir Tones Strikes Again! ‘Uh uh uh, Jesus wants refugees to stay in their own country, other He would have meant them to...uh what? Jesus, Joseph and Mary were refugees? Lies thought up by Labor. And the Greens!‘
    Ecstatic Cyclist
    7th Feb 2015
    10:36am
    Put the adults in charge Bronwyn Bishop as PM with Christopher Pyne as Deputy
    particolor
    7th Feb 2015
    12:15pm
    And the Imam of Revesby as Treasurer !! :-)
    Macey05
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:30pm
    Has anyone thought to ask Brian Loughnane to leave. maybe he has too much influence on anyone in the Liberal Party. Strange its the woman who has to give "just a little" in this wonderful Australian society we have
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:01pm
    Yes and it looks like it will be a Woman who will Rescue us in this Once Wonderful Australia !! :-)


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