A bleak future for pensioners who don’t own a home

Affordable housing and financial prospects for age pensioners are not promising.

A bleak future for pensioners who don’t own a home

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has calculated the housing costs of older Australians and, unsurprisingly, those who own their home are sitting pretty compared to private renters.

According to the ABS, the average housing cost of a homeowner aged 65 and over is around $38 per week, compared to $103 per week for those who live in social housing and $232 for private renters.

The Conversation conducted interviews with older Australians who don’t own their home to see how they managed their household expenses. It was interesting to read just how pensioners who live in social housing are able to manage their money. Some of them are even able to save and still engage in modest leisure activities.

The interviews revealed that tenants who live in social housing pay, on average, around 25 per cent of their income in rent, leaving them a good amount of ‘disposable’ income. Social housing tenants also enjoy a general feeling of security, as older tenants are typically guaranteed security of tenure.

One such tenant, John, is very grateful for social housing, saying: “I’m quite content and I think it’s just wonderful that the Government does supply these houses.”

Unsurprisingly, the ones who don’t manage their money well are usually the people who drink or smoke a lot, or who have an illness that requires expensive treatment or medicine.

On the other hand, private renters reliant on the Age Pension often live in a state of anxiety and insecurity. The anxiety is caused by the strain of making ends meet after using a large proportion of their income to pay rent, while the insecurity stems from knowing that, once their lease ends, they could be asked to leave their home.

Janet, who was a private renter for years, spoke to The Conversation after she had just been accepted for social housing.

“I was absolutely, well, I sat down and cried. I literally sat down and cried because I felt like, well, at least I had the protection of the Department of Housing whereas before of course I didn’t have any of that. I had no protection whatsoever …”

Opinion: We need more social housing

These interviews highlight the need for affordable and secure housing for older Australians who don’t own their home. There is simply not enough social housing in Australia to cope with our ageing population and the widening chasm between the rich and poor.

A single person receiving a full Age Pension would have $438.55 per week. Once the average rent of $232 is paid, they would have $206.55 left for living expenses, including bills and food. That’s around $29.50 per day.

Most Australians who currently receive a full Age Pension are homeowners, but there’s still a good proportion of those who rent. Our Retirement in a Digital World survey shows that 32.5 per cent of those surveyed receive a full Age Pension. Just over 70 per cent of those surveyed own their home, with around 13 per cent renting.

However, with housing becoming increasingly unaffordable for the average Australian, this trend will change over the coming years. Soon, the number of Australians who will rely solely on the Age Pension and who do not own their own home will have a significant effect on the economy.

Regardless of the economic effects, living in secure and affordable housing is fundamental to the overall wellbeing of all Australians. Having a place to call home is essential for living a decent life, creating social connections and developing a sense of community.

In 2015, 817,300 Australians lived in social housing. This number has doubled since 2008, but there are still around 200,000 on the social housing wait list. More than half the tenants in social housing are either aged 55 and older, or children the age of 14 and under. Around 53 per cent of social housing households are single people living alone.

Last week’s agreement between the state and territory governments that could result in rental and community housing becoming more affordable and readily available will no doubt be welcomed by the hundreds of thousands on the social housing wait list.

Almost 10 per cent of people aged over 65 and over 20 per cent of those aged 55 to 64 who live by themselves are private renters. Most of the 55-to-64 age cohort that hit retirement age within the next 10 years will be reliant on the Age Pension.

It doesn’t take a genius to do the maths. The financial and housing prospects for many age pensioners are bleak to say the least. Social housing may make that future a little brighter.

Are you an Age Pensioner who pays rent? How do you manage? Do you feel secure? Have you applied for social housing? How was/is your experience?

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    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2016
    11:05am
    For Australian citizens Social Housing- Country areas= 2 years wait. Regional areas= 4-5 years wait. Capital cities = 10 -15 years. But if you are refugee, housing is immediate. If all that you have is a fortnightly pension, one can barely survive.
    jackie
    13th Dec 2016
    11:34am
    It's disgusting that honest Australians that have paid tax all their lives and contributed their blood sweat and tears to this country are being discriminated.
    Tom Tank
    13th Dec 2016
    11:47am
    Where did you get the idea that refugees get social housing?
    Some of the rabid right make such statements but a check of such statements would be of value.
    Too many people allow themselves to drawn into incorrect beliefs.
    Retired Knowall
    13th Dec 2016
    2:57pm
    HS, May I suggest you get the FACTS before posting ignorant dribble.

    ]Refugees, housing, and neighbourhoods in Australia - Australian ...
    https://www.ahuri.edu.au/__.../AHURI_Final_Report_No224_Refugees,-housing
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2016
    3:09pm
    Tom Tank. I wrote "housing" not social housing. They get assistance in sourcing housing from the below organisation supported and funded by Social Services. I wrote "immediate" because the organisation already has a list of accommodations available prepared in advance which means that the ordinary citizen is beaten to available affordable housing on the market. Also the expression "immediate" refers to the fact that refugees do not have the waiting period that ordinary Australians are subjected to regarding welfare assistance.

    http://www.australianrefugee.org/services/client-services-2/accommodation-program/
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2016
    3:32pm
    So, Retired Knowall, the link you provided to your page does not exist any longer.
    As for verification of Social Housing waiting periods please refer to this link ( It actually works) and it's no dribble!
    http://www.housingpathways.nsw.gov.au/how-to-apply/expected-waiting-times
    Nan Norma
    13th Dec 2016
    4:37pm
    Tom Tank. Come visit where I live in QLD. Social housing is slowly being taken over refuges. It makes me angry when I hear of families living in cars because dad lost his job and can't pay the mortgage or the rent.
    There is one refuge family here living in a four bed room public house. They have a nice car and the six children attend the local private catholic school.
    Her husband is a chemist living in Sydney.
    Not Amused
    14th Dec 2016
    10:20am
    Refugees (so-called) get housing priority because they are the chosen ones by charities and governments. A government can bring people here then not provide them a decent place to live. A friend took me to look at a unit for sale which was occupied by "refugees". The rent was quite high for its condition but the agent said the charity rental component was heavily subsidised by a government component. The neighbours, all with tidy, clean gardens etc. were very unhappy their properties were being de-valued by the careless attitude of both occupants and the charity facilitating the accommodation. Inside this unit was filthy. The cooktop almost burnt out, dirty kitchen utensils stacked high looked like been there for months, smelly left-over food everywhere. However there was an abundance of electronic gadgetry, phones, computers, huge t.v. Filthy lounge/chairs. No wonder the owners of that unit put it up for sale.
    Gra
    8th Jan 2017
    1:00pm
    Gee whiz HS, Tom Tank went very quiet on that one didn't they. Perhaps they were too busy trying to get their foot out of their mouth to apologize to you.
    mogo51
    13th Dec 2016
    11:23am
    The numbers posted by HS are scary to say the least. Why are Australians being left out for the refugees or 'illegal immigrants' something not right here!
    Hasbeen
    13th Dec 2016
    12:10pm
    The numbers posted hers are scary, they are also absolute garbage. Tell me where my rates will be less than $2000 pa, & I'll move there.

    My council rates on my home are $3300 a year, $63 a week. This year is an under average year for maintenance. I had to buy a new 3,000 gallon water tank, replacing the 23 year old one that rusted out, some guttering & the facia board behind it, I am currently saving up to replace some leaky plumbing, & the shade cloth & polycarbonate on the fernery roof. So 2184, & $1500 to go for this year. I dread the time when I have to paint the outside, I did inside myself over a year or so recently.

    So my costs in my own home are $105 in a good year, the worst was over $4000. I feel abused that I pay more to live in my own home, than housing commission tenants pay to live in housing I also paid for.

    Retirement is a bit like a camel crossing a desert. They start with a full hump, & off they go. The hump depleting over time. We start with a home, fittings & appliances in good condition, a car or two, & all the tools & gardening equipment working well. Then like the camel, our hump of stuff starts to wear out.

    First is probably a car needs replacing, then a fridge, washing machine, stove & hot water service. I would hated to pay a builder & plumber to fix that gutter, & doing it yourself starts to become dangerous as you near 80. It would be lovely to phone the housing commission, to get a new gutter, the plumbing fixed, or just the leaves cleaned out of the gutter.

    If you want to be taken seriously, you have to look carefully at what you publish, & not let ideology get in the way of publishing true facts. It is very foolish to take the ramblings of the ABS, or the Australian Council of Social Service as true, or even approaching anything like it.
    older&wiser
    13th Dec 2016
    2:22pm
    Agree, rates are totally ridiculous. I live in a small 2br house, small block, lower socio-economic area, 49kms from nearest capital city. No footpaths, no street lighting, but my rates have just hit $3645. Not on aged pension yet, but even with small council rebate, dread when I will be.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:26pm
    Yes, the numbers are wrong. It costs me nearly $100 a week to live in my own home, PLUS the loss of pension benefits. My neighbour calculated it cost $405 a week including pension loss to live in his own home.

    Rates are typically over $3000 in most areas. Then there is insurance, and maintenance. This is one reason why the changed assets test is dangerous. People who saved to be comfortable in retirement will now have to spend down their capital and younger retirees (65 to 70) may well find that in a decade or two they can't afford necessary home repairs.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    5:57pm
    It will be worse than that Rainey if we let them bring in land taxes and GST increases. We won't be able to afford to stay in our homes.

    This betrayal is only the beginning and this is a very dangerous government indeed.

    A bit of that old rioting in the streets would be a good idea come the land tax idea or the GST on everything at 15%.

    They still need at least another $35 billion to fund that $50 billion they have promised business and the high income earners.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2016
    8:39pm
    That's why it doesn't pay to own your own home. There are much better ways of owning houses where all expenses can be written off so that one can live virtually rent free.
    particolor
    13th Dec 2016
    8:45pm
    "PLEASE EXPLAIN ??"
    Rae
    14th Dec 2016
    7:17am
    Yes OG and it is surprising that more family trusts, boarding houses, B&Bs, small resorts etc don't exist. Even homesteads on the old family farm. Having a corporation own the property would work out just dandy too with all those tax deductions and only 30% although most pay little or no tax anyway.

    Still with the talk of making the home an 'asset' recognised as such perhaps at that point all the costs will have to become tax deductible. It is an interesting.

    There has to be some downsides to it all such as capital gains etc but then there are so many these days gaming the whole system.

    More money spent on enforcing the regulations would be good.
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    6:48pm
    Geez Old geezer do you know something i don't YEs Please explain.
    I'm a private renter, and let me tell you, its not easy here either.
    NO backyard, not allow to have a pet. Hardly any room to hang your washing. But yes i have a great bedroom, which backs onto anothers bedroom and i get to hear them moan and groan and they can hear me farting every night. ITs so YOu don't have any privacy.
    Its a tough life. Now i can't even sleep in my bed, cause if i get up in the middle of the night to go to the loo and my neighbor hears me, i can't get back to sleep, cause then the neighbor is up playing on its internet in bed, making clicking noises that keeps me awake. Its a vicious cycle. Ps. i think they stopped building for elderly long time ago. they don't give a bugger once we get to a certain age. they slap us together in little dog boxes. Its only if you have a family now do you get anything decent to live in???
    And now where i live. they do reno's and not just small ones. Big ONEs, that you can have a big asthma attack, and may even die, if you can't get enough fresh air!! And do you think anybody cares..... lol mmm NOT even the coucil, cause they give them permits to tear down the old dwellings, and the crap and smell, that leaves these places on the wind and wafts inside your place should you leave the door open, will stop you opening your door for ages and ages, and you can'[t even leave your washing out. Its HELL where i live. ITs NOT earth. I"ve died and gone to hell and been there for a while. Pollution big time down where i live.
    Squashing Us all together like fricken sardines. ITs disgusting.
    The Pollies aren't out to look after us i can tell you.
    They too busy lining their own pockets. Bahumbug this xmas i tell you!
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    7:21pm
    Pensioner rebate hasn't gone up since the Greiner years - those ones he spent enriching self and family out of 'privatising' roads.... next time you pay a toll, remember poor old Nick needs your dollars....
    Gra
    8th Jan 2017
    1:15pm
    Just checked my Council rates for the past 12 months ($1300) and water rates ($1,000 - including excess), not bad it seems for living in a large regional city. Does anyone really pay over $3000 a year for council rates? I don't know anywhere I could rent a house or even a small flat for $45 a week, the amount my council and water rates work out at. Telephone, gas, electricity and insurances don't come into the argument, you have those expenses whether you own or rent well most people do anyway. I think I will remain content to be a house owner.
    Bow Maker
    13th Dec 2016
    11:35am
    Your right mogo51 something is not right.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    12:26pm
    I read the infrastructure cost for each immigrant was around $250 000. If that is correct then the millions brought in each year by the LNP government to boost the GPS figures and lower wage costs has stuffed Australia up.

    I think we need some immigration but it has been overdone lately and we are paying for it now.
    Radish
    13th Dec 2016
    7:19pm
    Thank Kevin Rudd for the influx when he opened the flood gates. Labor have acknowledged their error.

    Thank goodness the current government had the guts to turn the boats back and stop the flow via the people smugglers.

    Seventeen immigration detention centres have been closed down and that is saving the taxpayers a great deal of money and therefore the demand for housing will have dropped and maybe those who have been on lists for years may find a home becoming available for them.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:15am
    Not that old saw again - we're talking about immigration - not asylum seekers, Radish. Do try to keep up in class....

    The highest proportion of 'illegal immigrants' are people who over-stay visas, and continue to live and work here.. refugees on boats are just the whipping people for a government bereft of policy for the economy and the people.
    Rae
    14th Dec 2016
    7:23am
    Radish I wasn't talking about the 50 000 Rudd and Co let loose but the 300 000 + a year Howard started off that still continues today. Legal immigration through normal channels is huge and costs are very high for each new settle.

    As far as I'm concerned all three major parties have sold out to the wealthy and crony capitalism.

    It is the sheer size and speed of immigration that is of concern. Also most have the resources to buy property almost immediately and are not too fussed about where that is.

    Huge numbers of fully trained, high skilled workers arriving every single day and our kids can't get the training or the jobs.
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    6:51pm
    housing will have dropped and maybe those who have been on lists for years may find a home becoming available for them..........lol
    YES right RADISH F I won't hold my breath, for i may die before i get anything decent because they not making anything decent for us aussie Point blank!
    aND i be one that worked like a dog
    HKW
    13th Dec 2016
    11:39am
    It is becoming harder not only for private renters, but also for older homeowners, who find it increasingly difficult paying the continuously rising council rates. The Agenda21's mission is to strip people off their ownership totally, including cars. Their aim is to prevent us from transportation and communication implementing genocidal methods and getting rid of the inconvenient ones, no longer productive and unwanted, regardless of their contributions in their earlier years. COMPLETELY COMPASSION-LESS ! This a typical trite of certain very powerful tribe ruling today's world elite.
    wouldbe retiree apprentice
    13th Dec 2016
    12:17pm
    Another factor in driving up housing rental is the latest revenue raising gem that councils have discovered.. That of levying a HIGHER rates amount on "non-occupier owners". I am fortunate, thru a lot of hard work and sacrifice, to have a rental property, BUT, because I, the owner, is NOT RESIDENT, then the rates are quite higher that if I was resident..i.e. not renting it to someone.. Now, the councils in their greedy grab for $$$$ see this as a soft touch, but as this affects ALL rental properties in that local council area, then this is treated as another cost and passed onto the renter, thus raising the rent against those who, usually, can least afford it.. And what does the renter get for this added cost... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... I was advised by our local council that the law allows them to levy rates in this DISCRIMATRY way.. especially when the QLD govt BACKDATED legislation so that the councils would NOT be out of pocket if a law suit was found against them... It may be legal, but it is immoral to load renters with additional costs, for EXACTLY the same council services.. Can you imagine if petrol stations were able to set the price of fuel depending on what car you drove ?? same principal here...
    particolor
    13th Dec 2016
    8:50pm
    YEP ! :-( :-(
    older&wiser
    13th Dec 2016
    11:28pm
    Spot on 'would-be'...I had to move to get a job, so had to rent out my house. I get slugged BOTH ways.
    FIRST - I have to pay nearly $250 a quarter EXTRA on my rates purely because I rent out my house. Nothing extra offered, a simple and sole RORT.
    Second, I cannot offset the rent I get for my house, against the rent I have to pay to keep a job, and stay off govt benefits. So I have to pay tax on my rent, yet pay more to rent a place to work.
    Even my accountant says I was stupid - would have been better off to just go on benefits. I have just got a large bill from the tax office - PLUS have been hit with provisional tax. I pay rent, work 40+ hours a week - and am the HUGE amount of $82 a week better off than if I went on benefits. Just ridiculous.
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    6:52pm
    YEs HKW, i sort of get that feeling too
    inextratime
    13th Dec 2016
    11:41am
    $232 per week rent ? Where ? A bedroom over a pub in Surry Hills is $350
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    12:07pm
    Yes! Exactly! - where is a private rental (Unit/townhouse etc.) $235 per week? La la land?

    A "bedroom" in a shared house (with strangers) in Melbourne is $180 per week (PLUS share of utilities....) ......average cost of a rental (per week) in Melbourne - starts with a 3 in front of it ....... $3 - - ???

    I feel so very sorry for the elderly people in the Caravan Park here in Melbourne - who have been given "notice" (two weeks prior to Xmas) - to vacate their homes!! They have a few months to find alternative accommodation - but - still terrible!

    Happy Xmas Folks!!! - as if your life isn't tough enough already....
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    12:29pm
    My townhouse unit is $540 per week and have seen others much the same being advertised.
    Not in la la land but in Melbourne!
    Article also omitted the rent allowance which could be more and also that people may also work on the Work Bonus scheme with Centrelink.
    Seniors Card also provides a greater movie cinema discount than the Age Pension card believe it or not.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    12:31pm
    Made an error in my posting.....it is $540.00 per fortnight, NOT PER WEEK!
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    7:03pm
    OH and isn't aware of it?
    musicveg
    30th Dec 2016
    8:18pm
    You can get low rents out in regional and country areas. I pay $230 per week for a 2 bed 1970's house which has had no reno's ever but is in a great location. Just over $12,000 per year rent is better than owning a house that I have to maintain and pay all the rates etc.
    margie
    13th Dec 2016
    11:57am
    Absolutely disgraceful that we have Australians barely able to afford the necessities of life let alone some luxuries. Our Government that we pay, manage to find billions for refugees and for donation to already wealthy countries. (Indonesia for one) I believe we gave a massive amount to the Clinton foundation as well!!!!. Every body in this country pays some tax even if it's GST and many more are taxed to the hilt while working. We seem to pay for certain products twice and even thrice, such as roads, we've already paid in taxes, then we have tolls on the roads we've already paid for, followed by, registration, petrol tax. We need to look after our own backyard before throwing money at other countries and their people. Things look like becoming even more dire with utilities increasing AGAIN next year. Constantly taking from the Aussies but giving very little back, although we do note the politicians seem to live the high life while continuing to treat us with contempt. People are no longer content to just keep taking this treatment and already showing at the polling stations our disgust.
    HKW
    13th Dec 2016
    12:09pm
    Donations to Indonesia - only a tip of the iceberg.
    Please ask Mr. Prime Minister how much he donates to Israel....?

    The RAPEFUGEES in Europe get full support and more than ethnic citizens. If that's not enough they go on rampaging the streets, burning and destroying cars, shops attacking innocent people. In Sweden the ethnic renters are forced to leave their cosy accommodations for the new RAPEFUGEES too.
    They arrive to well established countries, taking from us without contributing a cent.
    I just recently asked for some payment from my Superannuation. Guess what - My own money was denied to me!!!

    We have to get off our asses and seriously do something about it before is too late. Our children's future also depend on us!
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    12:14pm
    Agrees....also the majority of countries we do send millions of dollars in Aid to p.a - are corrupt as hell and their people never get to see any of the money!

    These so called "leaders" spend in on their own palatial lifestyles.. yet our Govt. still sends it (along with the "millions of $$$$'s" that other countries send as well...) Pathetic!
    particolor
    13th Dec 2016
    8:44pm
    Well that's 3 People that have done their Homework !!
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    7:03pm
    yes Foxy i wouldn't be surprised about that one thats for sure
    but what also stuns me is some monies are also being wasted on Job management programs too.
    I decided i might do a course in a community services, and was asked to come in for interview etc. and was told where it would be held, which was in a shopping Plaza, in board room. but i had interview in the food court, where i could hardly hear what the person was saying anyway cutting it short i decided not to do it but not before signing a paper. but apparently these job management places can still get money from the government even when you have signed a piece of paper yet you have withdrawn. Which leaves me dumbfounded.
    So i wonder how much money the government is wasting there too.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    12:11pm
    I dispute the ABS figures. Rates here, not a city but a region, are $50+ a week. Insurance is another $40 and then there is maintenance. The pest control today was $200.

    It costs at least $100 a week to live in your own home. And another $20 a week for water and sewerage.

    I'm glad I don't live in Sydney or Melbourne. If I did I'd sell and move. Those cities are unaffordable for all but the really wealthy or the high salary earners. It is going to get worse.

    GST will be raised and land tax introduced. The government is nowhere near having that $50 billion they need for business and high income earner tax cuts.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    12:33pm
    Better to rent if you are a single woman!
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    7:10pm
    NOT really Mez what makes you say that. YOU the landlords don't want to fix anything.
    they just take advantage.
    LIke i've got a door handle that is rather stuffed and one day i may walk out to go shopping or whatever, and won't be able to get back in.
    Now i'm elderly, if i'm in a hurry to go to loo, when i get home and it don't happen. i'm in deep do doooodo, and my agent is clear across town and they don't do anything in a hurry. I rang up and complained the other day. And i was asked how many times had i complained already? well their guess was as good as mine, cause i can't remember.
    but the point is they don't care really. they waiting for me to move out, but if i can't find anything better than i got i won't be any time too soon. And as far as i can see i have the best already. Cause there is nothing BUT dumps out there. But at the same time i have really BAD pollution to cope with and my asthma is suffering, and i'm not sleeping and i'm not exercising part and part for that reason. So really NOT a good place for me to be living in, and i see if i can't get out. I'll be dead soon here!!!
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    12:38pm
    It is definitely IMMORAL & TOTALLY STUPID of government's giving out MORE ASSISTANCE TO REFUGEES THAN OUR AGE PENSIONERS!
    RIDICULOUS AND SHAMEFUL!
    WHERE IS JUSTICE?!
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    2:03pm
    No justice Mez! None at all! :(

    What people forget to factor in when discussing Private Rental - is that at any given day - you can go to your mailbox and receive a letter from your Agent giving you 60 days to "vacate" !!

    You then have to come up with - $1200+ Bond - $1200+ Month rent in advance - removal truck costs @ approx. $95 per hour - just to get into another place - and all this outlay is before you get your "bond/release money" back from where you are vacating!

    My dear friends of 40 years (in their late 60's) are going thru this right now! The "owners" of their rental property are Chinese and it is a known fact "they" buy property here - then go back to China - wait the "appropriate" amount of time to then be able to be accepted permanently into Australia as residential "property owners"! ....reclaim their house back from their "renters" and live happily ever after!

    Leases are not worth the paper they are printed on these days - used to be - not any more!! So many "reasons" a property owner can "reclaim" their property back in a heartbeat!

    No fun renting!!! Awful "umbrella" to live under!!! imagine moving every couple of years til you die!
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    2:42pm
    I wonder what happened to boarding houses. I grew up in one. Singles paid a fee and had a serviced room, meals and as a child it seemed to work just fine. You never hear of it these days.

    Mum did it to pay off the mortgage back in the 50s.

    We had three gentlemen boarders and a couple in a granny flat out the back.

    Down the street was a boarding house for ladies.

    You never hear of this anymore but it was very common back then.
    Retired Knowall
    13th Dec 2016
    3:02pm
    Another mindless post based on gossip, do your research before posting dribble and advertising your limited intellect.

    ]Refugees, housing, and neighbourhoods in Australia - Australian ...
    https://www.ahuri.edu.au/__.../AHURI_Final_Report_No224_Refugees,-housing
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:12pm
    Renting better than owning your own home.
    Have done both and most people in other countries have been doing this for many decades!
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    4:34pm
    Sorry Mez - normally agree with your comments on here (even though I rarely answer :-) - but - not this one! I would much rather own my own home and the consequences/expenses that go with it - and know I have complete "control" over my life etc. - than being at some "landlords" beck n call /mercy! Very nasty way to live!

    They can tip you out in a heartbeat to suit themselves - and - why wouldn't they? It's their home! Can always "release" at higher rent if they choose to -....nasty way to have to live!

    You obviously have been lucky and had a reasonable time where you living Mez?? Onya -if you have! - Lot's don't! Trust me!
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    6:30pm
    Just remember the very real plight of those who bought into a mobile home living villages etc - the owner decides to develop units at sixpence a shot - and out you go and spend the money you don't have to move your home or auction it off the the highest bidder.

    The ex (for whom I am full-time carer) considered that - but the loss of personal autonomy and the control by someone else - some manager who can change at any time according to the whims of owners, and who can become your classical prison officer type once the power goes to their head (water-boarding sounds like fun - just not that kind of water-boarding) - absolutely wrote that out.

    Instead I pushed her to buy a house in need of some work - and we've been renovating and putting in ramps, a new bathroom, more insulation, raised garden beds for ease on old backs, and a heap of other things. Slow and steady wins this race... but even then water and city hall rates plus insurance are pretty hefty.

    The upside is that the value has appreciated around $100k since we moved here seven months ago - three car spaces, two bathrooms and three toilets plus a big yard with established gardens ... but it takes work..... and dedication.... and a lot of cold beer in this current temperature.
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    7:17pm
    Mez i'm sorry i beg to differ, renting is NOT better than owning your own home. I have owned my own home, and it was better, unfortunately when hubby and i split, then things went down the drain quickly. "shit happened". excuse the expression.
    and it took me more than 15 years to find another half decent place to live in. but every year for 15 yrs i had to move. and trust me that was the most difficult of part of my life, and time consuming, and waste of money. If i had of been able to stay in my own home i would have been far better off.
    musicveg
    30th Dec 2016
    8:20pm
    Foxy, laws for renters are currently under review, so hold your breath and hope it will work out that renters will have more security.
    Biddy
    13th Dec 2016
    12:39pm
    What is this comment pensioners whom own their own home are sitting pretty and well of,do any of you know how much it cost to own and run your own home well it's about time facts were given to you ,to own ones own home cost around $1000.00 per week and you think we are sitting pretty as to speak,we have rates ,water rates,electricity,phone and NBN,maintence,lawns ,insurances ,and you think we are doing ok don't make me laugh,just because we put a home as priority when we were young doesn't mean everything is peachy we worked hard to get our home we went without ,our family suffered as we couldn't spend the time we would have liked with them,we worked Christmas Day and holidays to make a oends meet,would you have worked for 50 cents a hour well I did so my children could have some comforts and get a education I waited tables,cleaned rooms ,did kitchen work,worked till 2 am in the morning then up at 6 am getting breakfast and husband and children of to work and school then back the next day doing the same wonderful chores,oh it's fun owning ones home and being told we are sitting pretty ,funny we are also human hate being penalised for something that most people usually do ,I feel sorry for those whom don't own their home but we all have the chance to do something that's right but only one chance to really care
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    8:12pm
    No recognition or reward for all that struggle and going without, Biddy. Those who struggled to save are being trampled on, and we are now hearing that people who battled for decades to pay off a home should have it taken from them on death and not be allowed to leave it to their offspring. Then we hear folk whining about the ''welfare mentality'' and the costs it imposes on taxpayers. Well, duh! You take away incentives and reward and what do you expect? Do these idiots really think we will all continue to work for nothing, just because they rant on about the cost of welfare?

    Every blow they strike against battlers who work and strive is another step toward a nation of people who will just give up and put their hands out. They think the big stick approach will work? Fools! The solution is so simple. Just let people enjoy fair reward for their efforts and we'll have a nation of eager contributors to national prosperity.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2016
    9:25pm
    I struggled by no one has trampled on me. You only get trampled on if you let them do it.
    Grateful
    13th Dec 2016
    12:42pm
    Average rent $232 per week!!!! Where????? Let's not include one bedroom boxes in those "average" figures. $400 p.w. gets a very basic house if you are very lucky. No wonder the government only increased rent assistance by a few cents!!!
    iamnotold
    13th Dec 2016
    1:10pm
    Amount of rent depends on where you live. Private rent ranges from $120 to $260 in some country towns, I pay $260 per week for a three bedroom house in a small regional town. Look at prices on https://www.realestate.com.au/rent for a better idea of what rent costs.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    6:32pm
    Buy a house in Bourke for $7k...... lick of paint, slap of wallpaper.. and maybe 150k renos and Bob's Yer Uncle in a hot dry place....
    Charlie
    13th Dec 2016
    12:43pm
    There IS no social housing in a lot of places. The government should have a look at some of the places they call social housing and see that it is only housing appropriate for Aboriginal people with large families or destitute people living on the streets, because they lost control of their lives and need a room to sleep and a place to wash. I am talking about North Queensland.

    In no way does the social housing resemble a comfortable insulated flat, suitable for a live alone age pensioner who has worked in professional job, but has now run out of super.

    There are even dumb rules that prevent a single person being given a two bedroom flat, even if it is an area where there are one bedroom flats that have higher rent.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:35pm
    Social housing often comes with many years long waiting lists as many unmarried mothers have discovered in the past as well as now and often there are noisy renters and drug addicts hanging around them.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    6:34pm
    Not to mention the quality of the neighbours.... my brother died of a heart attack while fighting with a neighbour in Povertysville.... I wouldn't touch HC in a hearse....

    Where we are is fine thanks - good neighbours and a quality village of very decent people so far, all help each other and even the local tiler we got charged next to nothing for four days work.
    buby
    14th Dec 2016
    7:23pm
    YEs Trebor, Good neighbors are hard to find, i had the bad luck of having many a drunk, and druggies to put up with as close neighbors.
    ITs a been a real slog in the past for me. I'm old now. and i really need the quiet, well i nearly got that now.
    Except that Pollution has now taken over.
    Where one left off, another is taking its place.
    DO i really have to move again. sheez its a hard life. and all i want is fresh air to breath why is it so hard??
    Dave R
    13th Dec 2016
    12:50pm
    I would love to know how they arrived at an average $38 a week costs to live in your own home. My rates alone in a regional town on a residential block are about $3,000 a year or $60 a week and that's after my pension discount. Additionally there are things like insurance and maintenance so it actually costs about $100 a week to live in your own home.
    IMO the figures in this article are a load of bull.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    2:54pm
    Yes Dave the ABS is not worth any attention after last census and now this nonsense.
    veepee
    13th Dec 2016
    1:09pm
    This issue should not be about refugee bashing - those people aren't coming here through choice but to escape horrors we can't imagine - but about why successive governments have taken their eye off the ball with regard to issues like housing and healthcare. A socially just system would involve higher taxes for those who can afford it (which is not likely to happen as many of our politicians and their buddies are wealthy), better oversight of our social security and health system to discourage abuse and security in old age for those who have worked and paid taxes all their life.
    MICK
    13th Dec 2016
    2:07pm
    This one crops up every so often.
    Whilst there are many different flavours and no two circumstances are exactly alike I suggest that many (not all!) people who are now on the wrong side of the renting equation may not have made a serious effort to buy a house decades ago.
    Whilst I have sympathy I have to state that my wife and went without all the pleasure which others did not, worked pretty well 7 days a week, paid off our debts in about 20 years of hard yakka and then started to make investments for retirement....still doing without. No expensive overseas trips for us. No regular restaurants, shows, grog, the latest gadgets, expensive clothes. And then we bought seasonal vegetables and food specials and generics as well. Ok....who'd want to live like that? Point taken! But now we own our own home by the sea and have a few modest investments to live off and no pension. Our reward: to be cannibalised at every step from this Liberal Party big business controlled government.
    I wish I could feel a little more sympathy for those doing it tough but the sad reality is for the most these people have inflicted this on themselves......and now are on the pension and crying out for more support. Give me strength.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    2:44pm
    Insensitive and rather judgemental post perhaps? You know nothing about other people's circumstances and why they are in their current financial position?

    BTW - Divorce - is a huge factor on both sides of the equasion.
    MICK
    13th Dec 2016
    3:29pm
    I think I covered that above Foxy. My spray was meant for those amongst us who spent their working lives consuming and at the end of it claiming hardship.
    I understand there are always some folk who do it tough but we all have problems of one sort or another. Welcome to life.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:17pm
    I agree Foxy!
    HKW
    13th Dec 2016
    5:22pm
    I have noticed Mick's insensitive comments present under each significant article. He is a paid troll to undermine those disadvantaged instilling unjustified guilt and divert our attention.
    What about those refugees sharing accommodation in aged care facilities taking away spots for those on waiting list?
    How is that fair?!

    Cheese off troll!
    particolor
    13th Dec 2016
    8:36pm
    Gorgonzola or Mouse Hole Swiss Cheese ?? :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    7:18pm
    Mick does tend to veer a little both sides of the weather vane on issues at times... but generally he's solid.

    13th Dec 2016
    2:22pm
    I was lucky enough to have had good health to get me through four years of active military service and another 30+ years of working my arse off and planning/saving to get my own house/home a few times. So Leon, this "sitting pretty" doesn't come with the shake of a magic wand. Very few things that allow you to "sit pretty" come easily and the appreciation of the rewards and achievements are commensurate with the hard work to attain them. I DO have compassion for those who have really wanted their own abode and have a genuine reason for not having one due to bad times, physical hardships, etc, but not for those who are deadbeats or expect some sort of government handout or crowd-funding, or because they are refugees or "deserve it" because they are of a certain religion, colour, ethnic descent, or minority, as this is just Socialist Leftist CRAP!
    MICK
    13th Dec 2016
    3:40pm
    With you on this other than making it a leftist issue Eddie. Certainly most Australians, even poorly paid ones, have had the opportunity to own their own home. Their choice. Like you I have little sympathy for those who want to spend up and then play the violin.
    I feel so uncompassionate .......... but it's not easy to make the future when the cards are stacked against wage and salary earners as they are.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:37pm
    What would you say about someone who bludged on welfare for all but 3 years of their life and now claims a hard-working sibling should be deprived of their inheritance because the bludger ''would like'' a million dollar home. So she goes to court to contest a will knowing it will cost both parties up to $70,000 each in legal fees because she thinks the court should indulge her desire for a house worth a million! I mean, she's very needy. She only inherited $300,000 from her late father plus gifts that put her net worth at $500,000!

    Oh, of course she was ''disabled'' and couldn't work. Bad back and neck. But she could take off the brace and win the limbo contest at a dance, go through uni and get a degree (despite claimed constant debilitating headaches and dizziness!), trip all over the country as District Governor of Toastmasters, and travel all over the world.

    And with $500,000 in the bank, she's living in public housing. Why?
    Janiel
    13th Dec 2016
    2:42pm
    Centrelink also pays $130 per fortnight rental assistance if you recieve a full pension and rent privately
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    2:54pm
    Yes, and there are many "single couples" taking unfair advantage of that, too!
    Rae
    13th Dec 2016
    3:15pm
    Yes there is no good reason anyone should not be able to rent suitable accommodation and eat well with the welfare available.

    Of course you have to choose the right spot.

    There are plenty of places I'd like to live if I could afford it but I can't.
    vinradio
    13th Dec 2016
    3:31pm
    Janiel, but you only get the full $130 depending on how much rent you pay, there are specific limits.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:20pm
    Fast Eddie.....especially the polygamous Muslin wives!
    Janiel
    13th Dec 2016
    4:22pm
    Paying $290 rent per fortnight entitles one to ful rental assistance of $130
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:40pm
    Mez, this is yet ANOTHER badly overlooked shortcoming of the Department of Human Services (Centrelink) and their non-use of their "claimed" possession of state-of-the-art and very costly dole cheat-catcher software. More pathetic non-participation of a government department - just like their "leader" (HA!), MALinger.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    4:45pm
    Hahahahaaaaa - go Mez! :-)

    Yes! The "Muslim" wives that were in the paper this week! What a freakin' joke they are/were???

    Hahahaha - 'cause our wonderful Govt. approves of the Islamic Religion in this country - one man with 3 or more wives - can claim for each wife! What a bloody joke huh? Few "grand" per month for each Muslim family? NICE!!!

    Idea??? let's all go "band" with one of our friend's hubby's - say we living at that address - have "Islamic Religion" - and all get extra welfare??? Cool! :-)

    Good one huh? Gotta laugh! These 'religious' Muslims sucking off our welfare system are nothing less than outrageous!!!

    Unbelievable !!!!!!!
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:53pm
    Yes, Foxy, a real joke all right! And, who can you thank for that? MALign, that's who!! The buck stops with him. We have NO hope as he does stuff all!
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:22am
    Ah, yes , Rae -

    The Right Spot.................

    (Tom Conti music, please, Maestro!).....

    There was a demon that lived out in the thin air....... they said that any man who challenged him would die... that their controlled economy would freeze up, their plans would buffet wildly... and they would disintegrate.....

    .....the demon lived out at the Rent Barrier... Mach 1 on the meter... 750 dollars a fortnight ... a rental they said no man would ever pass..... then they built a small subsidy called the Rent Assistance... and men came from all over to the High Country of Rentsville to ride it! They called 'em Test Pensioners..... and nobody knew their names........
    Joy Anne
    13th Dec 2016
    3:09pm
    Yes pensioners are being discriminated against by the Government. I worked and paid taxes for 45 years and around 4 years ago I wanted to apply for housing and was told the minimum wait was 10 years. That is absolutely ridiculous and yet immigrants and refugees can get a house within a few weeks. Australians who live and have paid taxes should be cared for first not all the refugees, asylum seekers etc. The average for a pensioner to get a house for rent (that is not a run down house) have to pay at least $285-300 per week. Not $232 as you have stated. This is even more in areas, I cannot see my family anymore as they are all up the Sunshine Coast and the rent is too expensive for me there.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:14pm
    MOST UNFAIR!
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:29pm
    It's even more unfair that someone living in public housing who inherit $500,000 can remain there just because they have been there a while! Can well afford to buy a home, but occupies one that should be available for people like you. So wrong!
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    4:47pm
    Yep - just another rort - rich "peeps" living in Public Housing! Joke! What is wrong with the powers that be - that are meant to be checking on all these people????

    Disgraceful !!!
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    6:37pm
    They are checking, Foxy. Their stupid rules declare if you were living in public housing before about 2008 you can stay forever no matter what.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    8:38pm
    Rainey - are you serious? So what hope does anyone have of ever "kicking" them out?? I never knew that! Outrageous!!

    The laws need to be changed/updated!
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2016
    5:24pm
    Oh yes, Foxy. I'm serious. I was furious when I found out. In my area, the waiting list for public housing is over 10 years long, and I'll bet there's not a single person on that list who has ever had $500,000 in the bank!
    vinradio
    13th Dec 2016
    3:15pm
    I'm lucky, because after being on a waiting list for 2 years, I have a very affordable new unit with a charitable organisation and more or less secure tenure, as long as I pay my rent, and don't upset the other residents! However I only found it because I have pretty good research skills, many pensioners in Adelaide wouldn't know about it, unless they were already receiving help from a social worker or somesuch.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    6:51pm
    My older daughter is a psychologist and socialworker.
    Very handy to have in the family indeed!
    Joy Anne
    13th Dec 2016
    3:24pm
    Tom, I have seen it with my own eyes, I have spoken to a neighbour where an Islam couple only arrived and got a house here in Qld in a matter of weeks. You had better check your resources. They also are paid double the welfare of a pensioner and their wife gets the same plus they also get a Hardship allowance of min $145. Do you think this is fair to the Australians.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:15pm
    MOST UNFAIR!
    Nan Norma
    13th Dec 2016
    4:20pm
    Joy Anne. You are right. Although I own my own home I live in a public housing area and many of the houses here have been given to the refuges. One thing I have noticed is they all have quickly acquired similar cars.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    4:49pm
    "Hardship Allowance"????? Never heard of that one? I know of a person that truly needs that right now!!!

    Can you tell me what it is? Is it on Govt. Website??? Many thanks......
    Deb Dickman
    13th Dec 2016
    3:25pm
    You forget about the costs of owning a home i.e. maintenance costs, rates, insurances etc.
    I have friends who are better off in public housing because they don't have to meet these costs.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:14pm
    Problem is Deb public housing is almost always in low life areas at least with your own house you pick your area long as you can afford it.

    13th Dec 2016
    3:45pm
    For the life of me I can't understand why a pensioner does not own a home of some sort you must have been unlucky in life maybe sick all the time a spendthrift or a total bludger. My god you have until 65 years to save enough to buy a house what more do you want.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    4:05pm
    Extreme hardship, extreme leisure, or lack of grey matter are the main reasons.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    4:51pm
    ...not nice Eddie! Have some compassion for people who you have no idea of their situation........
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    5:28pm
    People who have no idea of their situation have just that, so do not concern themselves. Ignorance can be bliss to some.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2016
    8:16pm
    Fast Eddie is right. There are some who have faced extreme hardship, but most retirees SHOULD own a home, and extreme leisure or lack of grey matter is a common reason why they don't. That's not to say there aren't genuine battlers who did it tough. I know a few, and I'm very sympathetic to them. But I know a great many who were extremely irresponsible. Many just expected the taxpayer to house them forever.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    8:41pm
    Agree to disagree! :-)

    Gen Y will never probably own their own home - but - hey you not going to be around to "chastise" them for not owning one! lol lol - you will be longggggg gone .........like me! :-)
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:24am
    You are 200% correct - you do not understand......

    Good day to you, sir!
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:25am
    **I meant that for Roby... Robespierre in disguise methinks...
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    7:31pm
    We are discussing the often dire impacts of late life divorce and other issues here - not the hypothetical dole bludger on the pokies and ciggies and bourbon and coke 24/7/365...

    Must win a hell of a lot on them pokies to sustain that lifestyle.....
    Sachka
    13th Dec 2016
    4:19pm
    My full pension is $418 (includes energy supps ) my rent is $350 p.w = I have limited savings to supplement pension for the next 5yrs. I am 71yrs =very concerned what will happen to me then.I will try and get on the housing list = but with 20,000 ahead of me.......very scary.

    I also question what do pensioners do now with no savings at all, and the pension basically covering rent .....
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:26pm
    Work Bonus where you can earn $250.00 per fortnight before the pension is reduced but one needs to report earnings and provide a copy of one's salary slip via the Centrelink app on your phone or I believe you may access that via their website.
    It is worth it if can still work and keeps one mentally and physically active!
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:28am
    So Sachka at 71 is forced to go to work now? well - you learn something new every day... perhaps she could return to Russia and sweep snow off the street with the rest of the babushkas...

    (only guessing there)..

    If Asian she could go out and walk 15-20 miles a day to collect firewood sticks for the family fire - that's the job of the old women - for as long as they can stay alive doing it...

    Maybe we need to transport all the old ladies to a gulag in The Snowies and set them to work gathering sticks and sweeping snow off the ski runs or something.....
    Sachka
    13th Dec 2016
    4:37pm
    My query about what a 71yr old pensioner can do to supplement the pension. I am aware that at my age (and health issues ) I am limited in what I can do. For 12 months I have registered on 6 different sites to sublet in my rental home. I have also registered with Homestay International. So far the interest has not been encouraging = with some very inappropriate people replying. But will keep trying.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:47pm
    I had boarders in for a number of years in the past when I owned my last unit in Fairfield in Melbourne and had no problems in people answering.
    My ad was in the Herald Sun midweek.
    Boarders on pensions were good bets as they had a reliable income but do check their credentials and write it down upon acceptance.
    I do not believe in references as anyone can write a good reference but do take into account their appearance and how they speak and refuse anyone who wants to come and see you in the middle of the night or early in the morning like one Asian lady came smelling of cigarette smoke and alcohol after probably having been at the pokies.
    Play Fairly
    13th Dec 2016
    4:46pm
    Yes, this is downright disgusting. How has our own government so blatently discriminated against our own citizens. I don't care what anybody says, until our own citizens are adequately cared for, Australia cannot deal with an influx of immigrants who need food, jobs, and shelter. I think Australia put its hand up to take more refugees a few months ago. Medicare is further cutting back, and it is no longer rebating skin cancer excision procedures, and this is extremely important for Australians, seeing we have the highest rate of skin cancers in the world. Many people can no longer afford necessary dental or medical costs, and many of our elderly relatives in homes are not receiving the care they deserve, as Aged Care facilities have needed to reduce their staff. Things are in a mess and the present government refuses to uphold its basic responsibilities towards the Australian people. When I see multinationals evading tax, then see our politicians living high on the hog, and claiming expenses for babysitting, helicopter rides, overnight travel allowances being used to pay off spousal mortgages, and claims for family travel expenses etc., etc., I conclude that the average worker is the person who is carrying the country. We all pay GST as well on all our goods. Time for some big changes. We are not getting value for money in Canberra. They are not working for us, they are there for themselves.
    Mez
    13th Dec 2016
    4:56pm
    Exactly my sentiments Play Fairly!
    What also annoys me is when one gets some African fella saying on Twitter that refugees are not allowed to be refused because some silly section in the UN says so!
    I say that Australia leaves the UN as it is not doing their job effectively!
    Refugees also MUST NOT DEMAND THIS AND THAT ONCE THEY ENTER A COUNTRY EXPECTING WELFARE AT THE EXPENSE OF OVER 100,000 HOMELESS IN AUSTRALIA NOR AT THE EXPENSE OF US AGE PENSIONERS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR NATION OVER HALF A LIFETIME!
    VERY ANGRY!
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    5:46pm
    Not sure if this is true or not? Just repeating ok ..... Friends told me last week - they know of a Sudanese family moved recently into their neighbourhood/suburb......instantly got .... nice Public Housing home (3 bedrooms) - were given also - brand new cooking utensils - toaster/elec. jug - microwave - crockery/etc. - new flat screen TV - beds/linen....all "mod. cons" ok? Now - I am not saying these people do not deserve it from where they came from - BUT - sorry guys .......

    I go back to the old "adage" of help our AUSSIES FIRST!!!! We have thousands waiting on Public Housing lists and all these refugee's get "first" advantage of what Public Housing is deemed "empty"?

    When we have NO HOMELESS - here in Australia - sure - bring in as many refugee's as we can cope with - until that time - forget it!!!! Sorry!!!
    Radish
    13th Dec 2016
    7:21pm
    Vote Greens if you want more refugees. If they had their way there would be open borders. Let 'em all in.
    Foxy
    13th Dec 2016
    8:45pm
    Yeah right - and I'm "Mary Poppins" !!! lol
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:34am
    Jesus God - there are NO 'open borders' - that is a fabrication of the LNP while in Opposition to attack Labor in Government - there are only different approaches to processing asylum seekers - and this has nothing to do with the ordinary immigration process, which accounts for the very vast majority of New Settlers here..... refugees/asylum seekers on boats etc, constitute a tiny amount of the overall immigration number.

    Just to explain to you - ANY asylum seeker can request asylum at any port of entry or sovereign territory (such as an Embassy or a ship of a sovereign nation at sea - hello!), and be PROCESSED. Why do you imagine the Navy has officers of Customs and Immigration on board when it intercepts boats at sea (in an act of piracy, BTW)?

    The entire argument over asylum seekers is the way they are PROCESSED - not over their right to seek asylum.
    bandy
    13th Dec 2016
    7:44pm
    After reading(not all)whats on this post today no wonder pensioners are leaving the place
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2016
    7:53pm
    Where are they going?
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2016
    8:37pm
    One of my family has moved out of one of the houses I manage and I now have people knocking on my door asking to rent it. As none of the family want the decision has been made to sell it because I no longer rent to anyone outside the family.
    vincent
    13th Dec 2016
    9:01pm
    About time to have a fresh look at the whole housing problem. In the Netherlands where the bulk of the population still rents and have security of tenure, the government has never been involved in any sort of public housing. There is some private rental but the bulk is provided by not for profit housing corporations. they have to plough all profits back in new housing and maintenance. Seems to work over there, it has its problems now and then bue on the whole it seems to work. My mum lived in the same place for 50 plus years.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:35am
    Sounds like a sensible solution, but don't hold your breath for any such thing here....
    Jaydee
    13th Dec 2016
    9:53pm
    Sorry that I make this comment but I feel that if you have reached your retirement age and still do not have control of your finances that you have really not had a handle on how to arrange your life..you have had 50 years to make this happen.
    Keep on working, it's keeping you alive.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:36am
    Good for you is all I can say. Like many others you have zero idea of why people don't own a home in retirement.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:43am
    In response in advance to your anticipated riposte - I DO own my own home - and a Ford Territory, and a heap of garden stuff, rideon, edger - you name it, and am looking for a boat/maybe a yacht to sail the seven seas, and am planning to build my own aircraft....

    I've previously owned two homes and some very nice assets - none of this induces a need in me to look down on anyone who is doing it tough - since I've seen and been handled by the ropes and I know full well that there are countless situations that can create an environment in which a person's hopes and dreams can founder - so I don't judge them by anything but their character and the way they present to me.
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2016
    7:56pm
    You're not on the pension then?
    HKW
    13th Dec 2016
    10:17pm
    If homeowners wouldn't have to pay council rates to rent a house would be much cheaper.

    Local councils are illegal!

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/07/21/are-local-councils-legal/

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/09/14/local-government-illegal/
    Rae
    14th Dec 2016
    8:19am
    Yes local councils have been sacked in NSW and administrators appointed. Now this was to get at public assets and crown lands and such but it has shown that the cost of local council is unnecessary when a reasonably paid administrator works just as well.

    Rates could be slashed if we just continued without local governments at all.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2016
    2:11am
    .. and so they should, with escalating costs of housing leading to landlord piracy, and simultaneous constant attacks on Pensions as some kind of 'welfare'.....

    I say boot every politician out without a cent and no contacts for a week - give him/her the pension and let them start from scratch as many have had to do under the failed government of two parties that holds sway in this country - El Grando Republica da San Austrador, where the ruling cartel utilise ever asset of the Republic for their own good, and the peons can go pick bananas in the hot fields at age 80....

    14th Dec 2016
    9:48am
    There is a bleak economic for most people, their own home or not.
    professori_au
    16th Dec 2016
    8:10pm
    I agree it I not easy for pensioners renting. I am 84 and had a further three years lease agreement. The owner, for whatever reason, needed to sell it quickly and felt it would not be easy with a long lease agreement, so wanted to change it to a 12 month lease with and option. It was bought by an investor who was going to put an apartment on the land and do up the house to live in themselves. Result; at the end of the 12 months I must find another home. Strangely I am told, real estate agents are reluctant to rent to pensioners. I find this strange as most pensioners use direct pay from Centrelink, therefore it is guaranteed before the pensioner buys food or clothing, etc. I am fortunate as my daughter asked me to come and live with her. She said, "Dad at your age it is unlikely you will get a long term lease, so you should not have to be facing the traumas of have to find another place. She knows I am independent and reluctant to rely on others and she said the home would be basically how I would like it. She has a large shed on it so I can continue my hobbies of wood carving, turning, metalwork, including blacksmithing. I usually make presents for members of the family, including the extended family and others, so I will not be bored. She is a very special daughter but I can sympathise with those who do not have this option
    musicveg
    30th Dec 2016
    8:29pm
    So heartwarming you have such a caring daughter, I think it will come to this that more children will have to look after their parents, great for grandkids too. I already told my mum I would look after her but she is very independant and said she hopes to die before she has to be cared for. Luckily she owns her own home but struggles to maintain it at 80 years old, we help where we can (if she let's us).
    professori_au
    16th Dec 2016
    8:12pm
    Adding to my earlier comment, is that so many young people do not seem to understand that getting older does not stop you having interests. Apart from my manual hobbies I work as a volunteer community advocate, write, undertake research into our Constitution and associated laws. So getting older does not mean giving up
    PIXAPD
    17th Dec 2016
    6:46pm
    Affordable Housing is he way to go, only 30% of pension and you can get a nice studio unit, with underground parking and electronic entry, a cage for storage and all for $150 a week, and the rent increase each year is nothing at all, as low as $1 a week. Yep Affordable Housing.