9th Jan 2015
Protect the Age Pension
Author: Kaye Fallick
Protect the Age Pension

In October the Prime Minister Tony Abbott sent a letter to all 1.7 million Australian pensioners, suggesting that, as a result of the May Budget, they had just enjoyed a pension increase.

Mr. Abbott's letter deliberately obscured an unpalatable truth: budget changes to the way the Age Pension is indexed will significantly reduce the rate of pension increases over time — amounting to an estimated cut of $80 per week to pension payments over the next 10 years, according to the Australian Council for Social Services (ACOSS) which states “the indexation of pensions to CPI would have a significant impact on pension levels. While pensions would still increase as prices rise, they will increase more slowly. After 10 years, ACOSS estimates that single pensioners will be $80 per week worse off than they would be under current arrangements. Community living standards improve with increases in wages, but the living standards of those on pensions will fall behind.”

For thousands of older Australians already living below the poverty line, the magnitude of these cuts is untenable, risking the creation of an aged poor cohort. But with so many budget fronts to fight, this issue's been flying under the media radar, so it's increasingly possible the Senate crossbench could cut a deal to allow the changes through.

Will you hold Mr. Abbott to his promise on the eve of the 2013 election that there would be "no changes to pensions" by signing onto the campaign now?

YOURLifeChoices website has partnered with GetUp, one of Australia's largest campaigning communities, with a membership of over 600,000 people, to ensure that changes to the Age Pension do not proceed.

If you are already living on the full Age Pension, you will be aware of the near-impossibility of maintaining a decent standard of living. Further cuts – up to $80 per week - will reduce this frugal lifestyle to one of poverty. So what can you do?

If you agree that the proposed changes in indexation are wrong, sign the YOURLifeChoices-GetUp petition here.

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GetUp members from across Australia come together at critical moments to take targeted, coordinated and strategic action to make real change. This could mean signing a petition, helping to get a television ad on air, attending an event or meeting with local members.





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    9th Jan 2015
    9:24pm
    More untruths from YLC management.
    Wage growth is less than CPI
    So pensioners are getting a bigger increase than they would have.
    Public service wage increases this year are zero to 1%
    Kopernicus
    10th Jan 2015
    12:28am
    I suggest you look at the historic data, average male wages running above CPI which is not a true reflection of the actual cost of the rising cost of living. Public sector wages are NOT what the pension has been indexed to. Thus the untruths are yours, not YLC's. No surprise there.
    Kopernicus
    10th Jan 2015
    12:32am
    Just to add, if the CPI was better for pensioners Abbott would not have made the change - rob the poor, give to the rich is his game. Get it?
    Bobeye
    11th Jan 2015
    5:46pm
    Solomon,
    YLC has a better view of a wide variety of people than you do as a stooge for the extreme right that run the country. There is little doubt in my mind that you have a direct line to your mate Tony and get fed all the crap he tries blinds the voters with and you repeat it, ad naisium.
    The CPI is not a fair measure as it uses figures for white goods that are only replaced over 3 to 10 years. It does not take into account weekly fluctuations in food prices or even average then over the period under review.
    I doubt that you are actually are living in the real world of the low income person as you never take into account any opinions except your own.
    Dancer
    16th Jan 2015
    2:36pm
    Of course changing to CPI will leave pensioners worse off - that's the whole purpose of the exercise - to save the government money, otherwise why do it?!!
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2015
    2:52pm
    Perhaps they realise wages will not be able to continue to grow at the previously high rate? I tend to think the free trade agreements will see a more rapid advance towards globalisation. We will be comparing our wages with those of India, Japan, USA, China et alibi more so than with each other. Australia's protectionism is over. We have been disadvantaged for far too long. The practice of buying cheaply made Asian goods, adding a 300% margin and retailing them to high wage earners is coming to an end. Already we are seeing the prices drop on Japanese imported cars instead of paying money to unions and workers to make them here at high prices.
    Dancer, you may be right in the short term, but maybe it will not make much difference in a couple of short years?
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2015
    8:54am
    Solomon, Paul Howes was at odds with his union mates on this issue. He held the view that the ideology of demanding strong wage growth was unrealistic and he could not be a part of it. In a robust economy the unions and their demands for higher wages are unnecessary, because the labour market becomes more valuable as unemployment declines.
    Kopernicus, the public sector now represents about 15% of our workforce.
    Kato
    10th Mar 2015
    12:34pm
    Solomon/frank is that why the backbench want abbott and hockey to scrap it. and scrap it they will.
    Adrianus
    10th Mar 2015
    2:45pm
    Scrap it?
    Kato
    11th Mar 2015
    11:44am
    It's evident the backbench is readying itself for a big push against pension cuts, with one backbencher telling reporters yesterday, "I will certainly be putting the case of my many pensioners to the party room and to the prime minister". 3 With Mr Abbott already stepping on eggshells and eager to please, now's the moment to add fuel to backbench's fire.

    References
    [1] - Liberal MP Andrew Laming says missiles and 'torpedoes' aimed at Abbott's pension policy, ABC News, 9 March 2015.
    [2] - PM shifts on age pension time bomb, The Australian, 7 March 2015.
    [3] - Second Liberal backbencher warns Coalition about age pension policy, The Guardian, 10 March 2015.
    [4] - Liberal MP Andrew Laming says missiles and 'torpedoes' aimed at Abbott's pension policy, ABC News, 9 March 2015.

    9th Jan 2015
    9:27pm
    A pension indexed to CPI is VERY FAIR, and the best method of indexation for pensioners
    Kopernicus
    10th Jan 2015
    12:52am
    Why is it fair, it does not truly reflect the expenditure of pensioners, it will definitely slowly erode the current value of the pension.

    Please tell us why that is fair. Or is opinion all you have to offer. And you have already opined that anyone on a pension is a bludger cause they pissed their money away.
    Anonymous
    10th Jan 2015
    6:20am
    You are obviously too thick to understand a simple fact.
    By definition:
    The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is regarded as Australia's key measure of inflation. It is designed to provide a general measure of price inflation for the Australian household sector as a whole. The CPI measures changes over time in the prices of a wide range of consumer goods and services acquired by Australian metropolitan households and it is published quarterly, three to four weeks after the end of the reference quarter.
    SO - HOW CAN ANY OTHER MEASURE BE MORE APPROPRIATE?
    Sallad
    11th Jan 2015
    10:31am
    If CPI indexation is very fair, how come their own politicians super is not indexed to CPI ? Even more damning is that they don't have to wait till 65 (or 70) to draw on their super pension. They receive it soon after they get 'sacked ' (voted out) by us. How FAIR is that?
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:29pm
    With the cost of petrol coming down, followed hopefully by cheaper grocery prices I doubt the next rise will be much.
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2015
    9:00am
    Radish(F), you could be right. The cutting of the carbon tax dropped the CPI significantly. If oil prices stay low for a lengthy period (some economists forecast low prices for a few years) quite a few countries will suffer.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:16pm
    I bet Frank and Solomon very rarely, if ever go, grocery shopping because if they did they would know that grocery prices never go down, at least here in our Snowy Mntns town they never do unless as a special, get real you fellows, "that aint gonna happen", in fact one example is tea, has gone up about 50% in the last few year and wages certainly haven't and neither has the pension.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2015
    8:28am
    Solomon, you are absolutely wrong on this. The Government wouldn't be changing the indexation method if you were correct. They are changing it to give pensioners less. It's NOT fair because the CPI does NOT reflect the rises in living costs for those on low incomes. It includes luxury items and items pensioners never buy. In hard times, prices of luxuries go down and necessities go up, so the CPI has no bearing on the cost of living for those on low incomes. The existing system takes the true cost of living for a pensioner into account as well as wage growth and adjusts pensions to give recipients a fair increase relative to the living standards of the rest of the community.
    Kopernicus
    10th Jan 2015
    9:45am
    Solomon, once again you have demonstrated your disability with the factual.

    Consider the ABS quote "The CPI frequently is called a cost of living index, but it differs in important ways from a complete cost–of–living measure". CPI measures a 'basket' of goods and services. However, the household basket of actual purchases will vary among individuals, but more importantly among income groups. Low income groups have little discretionary spending and unfortunately inflation is higher in services like utilities, health, food and housing. These constitute a higher % expenditure in the low income group. Cumulative inflation experienced by the lowest income group since 2003 is 39% vs 35% in the high income groups.

    So, when ACOSS predicts that in 10 years pensioners will be $80 pf worse off, it stands on solid ground. Tony Abbott is like you Solomon, he and sees pensioners as sponges ('leaners') but likes to throw big buck$ at the Big End of Town. Your own contempt for people on pensions or benefits is in itself contemptuous, so is your attempt to engineer facts.
    I can provide you with ABS references, if you wish.
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    12:59pm
    I think ACOSS is wrong. I would not be surprised if wages growth continues to slow into the future, in many cases below the rate of CPI.
    Anonymous
    10th Jan 2015
    3:14pm
    ACOSS self interest in evident.
    Anyway wage growth is dependent any on the strength of the economy and the unemployment situation ie supply and demand for labor.
    Bears little relationship to CPI.
    I wonder if ACOSS support a reduction in pensions when wage growth or CPI is negative.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    11:03am
    Very good point Solomon.
    The indexation of the fuel tax has no impact at all now because fuel prices are 30% lower. Therefor, using the same logic, when wages drop significantly pensioners could have no increase or even a drop in pensions. The Abbott government is the pensioners best friend alright!
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:30pm
    I think you could be right Frank.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:42pm
    Frank try telling that to us country people, fuel is no cheaper here we are being ripped off apparently.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:45pm
    Another wrong statement Frank, if you look around the country at the last couple of elections and the latest opinion polls I think you will find that the people of Australia do not think that the Abbott government is anybody's best friend.
    Adrianus
    4th Feb 2015
    8:10am
    Typical lefty view. More concerned with what most people may think than with what is right and just. That is how the last labor government operated.
    Misty
    4th Feb 2015
    11:27am
    Wrong Wrong again Frank, it is not just what I think but also what most of the rest of the country are thinking, they are not happy the Coalition's version of what is right and just, Coalition supporters too I might add, AND YOUR BIAS IS SHOWING FRANK.
    Adrianus
    4th Feb 2015
    12:15pm
    When everyone thinks the same then nobody is thinking. Think about it.
    Misty
    4th Feb 2015
    12:48pm
    Well Frank remember that book" The Hundredth Monkey"?, if enough people think the same way then what they are thinking about comes to pass, food for thought isn't it.
    Young Simmo
    4th Feb 2015
    1:34pm
    I think this is a lot of,

    F-M-W

    Scroll down.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2015
    8:32am
    It doesn't matter whether wage growth is less or more than the CPI because the existing indexation system takes both into account to adjust pensions in line with the TRUE cost of living increase FOR PENSIONERS - not for those on higher wages who have different spending patters. The change the government proposes threatens pensioners' living standards, and they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't saving the government money - which by simple definition means making those doing it toughest in this country worse off. Removing concessions adds to the pain and make life very difficult for many who worked hard all their life and now have high living costs because they are old and tired and sick. They deserve better.
    Bemused
    11th Jan 2015
    11:55am
    I am living on a full aged pension, and like everybody else, I like to get as much money as I can.
    But, and it is a very big but, This country has a relatively small income base, a high standard of living, and a very large National Debt problem.
    The generosity of Government, any Government, is controlled by the amount of money it has to spend.
    Past governments have seen fit to splash money about, and have borrowed heavily to do so.
    As in our personal lives, borrowing to be generous (or fair, as some would see it) is a condition that is simply not sustainable. You know, personally, that borrowing to fund recurring expenses is a limited and terminal undertaking, always ending badly. Countries are no exception.
    Australia has a limited income that is currently decreasing, at a very considerable rate.
    We have expenditure increasing at a considerable rate.
    If we took away from the top 1000 "wealthy", ALL their income and assets, we would net just about enough to pay the interest bill on our current borrowings for just 2 months. We would of course, in the process, destroy some sources of income for the Government and send the next several thousand "less wealthy" scurrying for safety in some other place.
    Just who would put up the money to buy the assets of the wealthy, so we can "cash" in and re-distribute the proceeds to the rest of us?
    By then of course, much of our income earning business will have ceased to exist, and poverty, very real poverty, would descend upon the rest of us at a very rapid rate.
    To maintain our pensions at the standard being discussed here, is not beyond Australia's means for the present, but it would mean reducing expenditure somewhere else. Where?
    Health, Education, Defence, Foreign Aid, Refugee Aid, Roads, Dams, all sorts of Infrastructure Development, Climate Change Action, and Energy Generation Facilities. What about the myriad Government Departments allegedly taking care of our needs (and providing paid employment for many thousands of people)? How about the untold numbers of Charitable and Pseudo Charitable organisations and subsidised Special Interest Groups, all needing to be funded with substantial amounts of money?
    Which of all of these will we reduce, or abolish, to maintain our pensions?
    That is the reality, and not all the complaining, demonstrating and petitioning is going to change by one iota, that reality.
    It is futile to petition any Government to go on spending increasing amounts on our lifestyle from a diminishing total pool of income.
    Petition instead, for the reduction or abolition of some or all of the foregoing other expenditure, to make possible our demands.
    Stand up and make known your choices; but keep in mind you will be detrimentally affecting someone else, who will probably stand up and demand that they be protected at your expense.

    Bemused
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:39pm
    Bemused, what nonsense you write, sell the assets of the wealthy to raise money, all the Govt has to do is stop negative gearing, increase tax on wealthy supperanuants for starters and make multi national companies including big miners pay a fairer share of tax, not rely on the low income, pensioners etc to do the hard work to balance the budget.
    Young Simmo
    11th Jan 2015
    1:27pm
    Well, I am not a 100% sure about this. I just followed the instructions and put my address is. The page suddenly changed and I got the feeling my details could be heading to another 20 or 30 companies and websites.
    BEEN THERE.
    DONE THAT.
    DON"T LIKE IT.
    QUESTION:
    Can Kaye and company assure me that my details will stop there, as I am sick of doing system restores to get rid of all the rubbish.
    Young Simmo
    18th Jan 2015
    12:22am
    Well it is 6 days since I wrote the above, and nobody has rushed in to assure me, so I can only assume my assumption was correct.
    Glad I stopped where I did.
    Young Simmo
    18th Jan 2015
    12:25am
    OK before you Eastern Staters rush in to tell me it is 7 days,
    it is still 6 days in "GOOD OLD WA".
    Adrianus
    18th Jan 2015
    11:05am
    I agree with you on that Young Simmo. I don't mind authorities having a data base on me but it becomes rather annoying to have ones details sold to commercial interests. I get calls every week from people eager to arrange appointments for me.
    Kaye Fallick
    18th Jan 2015
    12:14pm
    Hi Young Simmo - firstly I apologise for slow response - i have been out of office and as this is my article, it was my task to respond. YOURLIfeChoices has an obligation and a desire to acti within all spam and privacy requirements as legislated in Asutralia. so your details are not shared by us with ANYONE. If you join give GetUp your email address in order to sign this petition, they too work within the same privacy requirements and do not share your details with anyone else. so i hope that answers your concern about privacy. On the bottom of every page we run our disclaimer and privacy statement - http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/about/disclaimer-and-privacy-policy
    so that explains our policy more fully. But in short, yes, i can reassure you that your interaction with us means your contact details will not be passed on to any other person or organisation. warmest, Kaye
    Young Simmo
    18th Jan 2015
    1:18pm
    Thanks Kaye, I can see the daylight again.
    Sallad
    11th Jan 2015
    2:05pm
    If CPI indexation is FAIR, (as per some comments made), how come the Politicians' Superannuation Pension is not indexed to CPI ? Even more damning is that they don't have to wait till 65 (or 70) to draw on their super pension. They can receive it soon after they get the 'sack ' (voted out) by us. How FAIR is that?
    Jackie
    3rd Feb 2015
    6:16pm
    Excellent points but I doubt Bemused will take his/her blinkers off - they are swallowing the line that the country's economy is like a household budget, as Joe Hockey is trying to hoodwink us. Which it is not.
    Bridgetbeam
    11th Jan 2015
    3:30pm
    I am with you Bemused. I receive a full pension, for which I am very thankful. If I lived in many other countries in the world I would have to still be employed (at 76 years old) or depending on my family for support. There is nowhere else I would rather live. Bridget.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2015
    8:35am
    I agree, Bridgetbeam, but this isn't about how you or I live now or how things are in other countries. This is about what's reasonable going forward in a prosperous nation in which a great many pensioners live in poverty. We don't walk in their shoes, so it's not for us to judge why they aren't better off. But we should support fairness, and making pensioners and the unemployed pay for a debt accrued by indulging the rich, while high income earner contribute virtually nothing, isn't fair.
    Adrianus
    8th Mar 2015
    9:15am
    Yes Bridgetbeam, you are much worse off than you think. When we compare your situation with that of Kerry Packer's. It's not fair that a mine worker is getting 5 times more than you do. Mine workers and pensioners should get the same.
    Misty
    8th Mar 2015
    11:03am
    Don't be ridiculous Frank, your most stupid comment yet, or was it tongue in cheek?.
    Adrianus
    8th Mar 2015
    11:27am
    Let's just face the facts shall we. The Unions got into government and vandalised our country while playing politics with the poor and needy. They racked up debt in the present and for future years. While they were doing this did they care for us poor and needy? Did they spare a thought for pensioners? Their only political hope is to convince people like you and Rainy that we are a very wealthy country and have no financial problems. While under Union stewardship our government gave pensioners an increase of $12 and some public servants and Union bosses became multimillionaires. Cripes, you've seen the pay increase CEO at Australia Post got. Also a motorcycle enthusiast was offered $12m to retire from his union boss job. But let's not let any facts get in the way of a good political jab at the government. Go for it!

    11th Jan 2015
    6:26pm
    lets face it pensioners are bluggers I am over 65 n still pay tax I don't want to hand these losers one cent more biggest bunch of wingers in the country put them on food stamps
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2015
    8:24pm
    That's a bit harsh.
    The LNP government is all about fairness and equity.
    Anyone who has genuinely fallen on hard times should be supported.
    But we cannot afford carte Blanche welfare where individuals are disincetivised from hard work and saving for their future
    margie
    16th Jan 2015
    11:09am
    Robo, I hardly think people on the age pension are bludgers, these are the people that have worked since they were 16 in most cases and paid taxes all their working life without receiving any baby bonus, single parent pension or first home grants. Yes they did it on their own and at the end of their working life deserve something back without the fear of not being able to turn on the heater if cold and to have a decent meal. You say you are over 65 so I would think you would have some compassion for other aged pensioners, although I do think some of the other pensions need an overhaul, especially the people having child after child with different fathers and the healthy young who absolutely refuse to look for work. Having said that I do think in a civilized country we do need to care for genuine needy and to be sure they are given opportunities to advance themselves.
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2015
    2:45pm
    Their are maybe some needy that can"t look after themselves and need to be helped however we all had the same advantages when younger free schooling ,roads built on our taxes and some even received child endowment.
    Most pensioners now did not provide for themselves so they are supported by the Government so rank the same as the dole bludger.
    I have a mate who used to put a$1000.00 on the trots every Saturday night obviously not too successfully as guess what he is now on a full pension. This bloke knows he is a bludger and he loves it.
    Dancer
    16th Jan 2015
    2:46pm
    Well said Margie - I worked all my adult life from age 15, married, raised two sons (without all the handouts families receive today), paid and continue to pay my own private health insurance (thus saving the government health care costs), cared for my husband for over 6 tears at home (once again saving the health care system). What little superannuation I had was also used to fund a purpose-built wheelchair-accessible home and vehicle - to maintain our independence - and once again saving the health care system. I have well and truly earned my age pension.

    Oh and there are many women in my age group and older who did the same - and they were not able to accumulate superannuation for their old age because women weren't offered it years ago. So I say - fair go! There are plenty of areas of "middle-income welfare" that should be reduced before the age pension.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jan 2015
    2:58pm
    ROBO, if you give us the address of the MENTAL HOSPITAL where you live, we can all send you a Xmas card next Xmas.
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2015
    4:35pm
    Young Simmo you are obviously a freeloader like I have been talking about.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jan 2015
    5:35pm
    ROBO, you are probably right as I love getting my pension every fortnight, trouble is I have to stop playing Solitaire for 10 minutes to do my Net Banking.
    Oh well, life wasn't meant to be easy.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    8:26pm
    I take offence at your comment Robo, I AM ON A PART PENSION FOR WHICH I WORKED FOR UNTIL I WAS 63, I AM NEARLY 78 NOW AND MY HUSBAND WHO PASSED AWAY 4 MONTHS AGO WORKED UNTIL 70, we both paid taxes all our working life and paid into super when it became available and both of us had it converted to annuities rather then having a big spend up and going on a full pension SO DON'T CALL US BLUDGERS.
    Young Simmo
    3rd Feb 2015
    10:28pm
    Misty, I just Googled ROBO and it stands for, REAL ODD BLOKE OBVIOUSLY.
    Go figure.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2015
    8:43am
    You are not just offensive, Robo, but grossly ill-informed. Large numbers of current retirees had no education to speak off - forced out of school at 15 because their families were poor or didn't value education. Education certainly was NOT free, and the uneducated and unskilled earned very little and struggled through life. They didn't get the subsidized childcare, paid parental leave, first home buyer grants, and family tax benefits handed out today. Child endowment? 50c per week per child! Many paid 18% or more interest on home loans - some losing their homes as a result of sudden interest rate rises. And most battlers settled for run-down 25+ year-old 2 bedroom + sleep out cottages that they could renovate with their own two hands on weekends. How dare you presume to judge people when you know absolutely NOTHING of their circumstances?
    I know some full pensioners who are leaches, cheating the system. But I know a lot more who grew up in orphanages and were denied even basic health care (as well as affection and a sense of worth), so they not only never got an education, but they struggled with mental illness, poor job opportunities, and poor health. Today, they are retired in abject poverty with major health problems resulting from abuse in childhood.
    Don't judge people you know nothing about. People with your lack of empathy disgust me.
    Misty
    8th Mar 2015
    11:09am
    Ditto Rainey, why doesn't Robo and people like him with the same views go volunteer at a soup kitchen or refuge and listen to the hardship stories , real life stories not the garbage the govt likes to spin, it might open their eyes and who knows maybe their wallets too, although I doubt it.
    jamesmn
    16th Jan 2015
    9:57am
    think about it abbot the highest paid prime minister in the world then he wants to cut pensioners down but does nothing for his croonie mates about what they pay in tax does nothing to them then you have all the boat people and their perks on the dole on pensions then they turn into terrorists like the martin place clown bring back the death penalty like Indonesia for these sort of people Australia does not want them do what Bruce ruxton said years ago put them in the middle of port Philip bay and put a torpedo through the boat they rip money off the government then try to shoot ordinary Australians.
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    10:35am
    GetUp "We're an independent, grassroots, community advocacy organisation that seeks to build a more progressive Australia and hold politicians to account" but only if it is a Conservative government.
    DC
    4th Feb 2015
    12:15am
    EELS, thanks for confirming my suspicions about that "Community Advocacy Organisation".
    Never heard them going on the barricades against Labor policy stuff-up ?!
    Adrianus
    4th Feb 2015
    7:51am
    I was watching the RC into Union Corruption one day and learned that Get Up is financed by the Unions. Where DO the Unions get all this money???
    guyra2
    16th Jan 2015
    11:03am
    The rise in pensions should be equal to the percentage of the tings that effect us most...look at how much fuel and accommodation has risen in the last five years
    If our pensions were risen by that much,
    Abbot and Hockey might be forced to feel the pinch as well and show tighter control of their own salary rises and expenditure
    guyra2
    16th Jan 2015
    11:05am
    Price of petrol has sustained a decrease....Set an Example pollys....take a salary and perks decrease.......place the economy back on its feet
    alinejordan
    16th Jan 2015
    11:54am
    to all those who are calling pensioners bludgers, please remember we're talking about the old age pension. have a bit of respect for elderly citizens who often had no option of superannuation, as this only became compulsory in the 1990ies..
    and please keep your comments short and to the point, those ramblings are totally uninteresting and not worth spending any time on.
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2015
    12:18pm
    alinejordan, I agree aged pensioners are not bludgers and deserve respect. Yes even from other old people. I don't agree with your excuse for not preparing for old age though. But it's not important, as long as you are safe, well and happy. You can do too much planning and forget to live. I just realised there are only 24 posts on this subject so despite rumours to the contrary, many people obviously believe the aged pension is here to stay. thanks .
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:34pm
    I cannot see the aged pension being removed at all.

    It is a safety net for those not as fortunate as others in society. At the moment I understand that 80% of retired people receive an aged pension or part pension.

    Long term, it is hoped that that level will drop now that there is compulsory superannuation for those in the workforce. The drain on government coffers should ease in the years to come.
    wally
    16th Jan 2015
    1:38pm
    The announced fact that YLC is joining forces with GetUp in the pension petition kerfluffle makes me wonder just how (far) left wing the YLC management has become. Have the YLC people exposed themselves as even more radical than many of us have suspected for some time now? I guess time will, as usual, tell. Watch the YLC editorializing efforts closely.
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    4:53pm
    Yes!
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:36pm
    Yes, Getup is a left wing organisation
    Not a Bludger
    16th Jan 2015
    1:54pm
    Playing footsie with a group like Getup is absolutely abhorrent - more left leaning bias by this publication.
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    4:53pm
    Yes!
    Glenda
    16th Jan 2015
    9:59pm
    Well said, I agree!
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    1:03pm
    Wally, Glenda, EELS, Not a Bludger, your political bias is showing too.
    Ming
    16th Jan 2015
    2:02pm
    Well, if there was ever any doubt about where this organisation resided politically, there is no doubt any longer, to be associated with GET Up is testimony to your views.
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    4:54pm
    Yes!
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2015
    2:18pm
    There has never been any doubt that the views of YLC are anti government/pro Labor/Unions/Greens/Independents.
    I think mick may be an employee the way he speaks to YLC.
    I am expecting an article on the treatment of Asylum Seekers at Manus Island any day, following the detainees being encouraged to self harm and protest.
    The Greens just cannot accept that Abbott will not work with their people smugglers like Shorten does.
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2015
    2:50pm
    Wasn"t it the greens who wanted to have a cup of tea with the Terrorists and sort out their problems.
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    4:54pm
    And Yes!
    EELS
    16th Jan 2015
    8:04pm
    Sarah Two-Dads has been weeping and wailing about that exact subject on the radio today Frank. Watch this space as you suggest.
    Glenda
    16th Jan 2015
    10:05pm
    There was always suspicion about YLC' being pro labor/unions/greens etc. and this is reflected in their publications ..... not good!
    Kaye Fallick
    18th Jan 2015
    12:20pm
    Hi Frank, Robbo and Eels, thank you for participating in this discussion and we respect your right to describe as (politely) as you wish on our website. Just so you know our response - we believe in free speech, an egalitarian society where all generations can work, contribute and expect a reasonable standard of living. and we will continue to advocate for a rise - not a cut - in the full Age Pension as it is below poverty level. If you believe that automatically means we are anti government.pro Labor, Greens or anyone else, we politely disagree - we are pro a fair go for older Australians, with kind reds, Kaye
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:38pm
    The sooner the Greens get into the real world and realise you cannot "talk" to terrorists the better.

    They are not "right in the head"!
    Adrianus
    18th Jan 2015
    5:20pm
    Kaye, thank you for your response. If I am impolite at any time I would expect to be told so. Seems we have some beliefs in common, because I also believe in an egalitarian society where the aged, disabled, disadvantaged can have some dignity and access to welfare benefits, health care and education. I also believe the only way to achieve this is by having a robust economy with no glass ceilings.
    Kaye, with respect, my comment was in response to other posts on this thread and related to my observations (rightly or wrongly?) on articles over the last 6 months not this story. I have not seen an article on YLC which is complimentary to the Abbott Government, although there have been a few pro Labor, Greens stories. I was merely expressing a viewpoint and I know that you are in favour of that.
    I believe that Australia faces some major budget problems and we all need to show some restraint until the danger has passed. I don't believe that wages should be growing faster than inflation because that to me sounds like a recipe for disaster. However, disadvantaged groups will always need advocates, in both good times and bad. kindest regards, Frank
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2015
    8:25am
    Radish (F), I wonder why both labor and coalition governments in the last 7 years have not proceeded with the plan to fund a deradicalisation program? The current level of government funding for Health is increasing and it seems none of these funds are going towards fixing our mental health issue?
    Radish
    19th Jan 2015
    2:11pm
    Frank, have never thought about that to be honest. I think it should be done and maybe get the Islamic community to help fund it.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    1:00pm
    Why don't you come up with something Frank that is complimentary to the Abbott Government and see what response you get?, your political bias is showing with your comment.
    Adrianus
    4th Feb 2015
    8:08am
    Misty, I will tell you something about Abbott that you don't know. He is a decent person who is a little clumsy sometimes. He is not a political animal and his mistakes are small and can be easily overlooked, unlike those of the previous labor government. He doesn't sit in Parliament picking muck from his ears and eating it. And he has respect for the law.
    guyra2
    17th Jan 2015
    1:02am
    Can you who criticize the efforts of YLC....to bring to the attention of those that might otherwise not have the opportunity to air their opinions Calling pensioners bludgers is
    only an effort by some to avoid the the real problem....How can we the people expect
    to get the best effort from the government if we don't remind them that the "GREY ARMY"
    does vote and are getting more voters every year that expect a fair go
    Sallad
    17th Jan 2015
    2:18am
    I agree guyra2. YLC is not the issue here, nor is it the problem. The politicians are...
    If anyone is unhappy with YLC they have the option of 'unsubscribing'. If they are indeed so biased as suggested by some, how come they have not deleted the negative comments about them?
    Adrianus
    17th Jan 2015
    8:24am
    Sallad, so if I don't like YLC's political bias I should not say so but just unsubscribe? Therefore if I don't like the country I should get out?
    This seems to be a common call amongst some YLC posters.
    I do agree however that YLC is not the issue, and I think people are simply voicing their observations and opinions. Your suggestion that people should not do this is confusing and a little disturbing.
    It's fun to stay at the Y....L....C....ahy?
    Sallad
    17th Jan 2015
    10:01am
    Everybody has a right to their own opinions however biased they maybe... & there is no suggestion otherwise. Equally, everybody has a right not to listen or pay heed to them. Merely suggesting we stick to the main issues without clouding them.
    EELS
    17th Jan 2015
    10:54am
    Involving GetUp is a big issue!
    Kaye Fallick
    18th Jan 2015
    12:21pm
    Frank - love the pun :-)
    bookwyrm
    18th Jan 2015
    7:31am
    I have signed the petition. I don‘t understand how countries like Germany and Norway protect their old age pensioners but pensioners are demonised here.
    Radish
    18th Jan 2015
    2:41pm
    I think everyone contributes to a public pension during their working lives in those countries bookwyrm; but I could be wrong.
    DC
    4th Feb 2015
    12:25am
    You are quite correct - the moment you start working about 18% or so of your salary/wage goes into a national pension fund, of which you pay 50% and the other 50 % is paid by the employer.
    geomac
    18th Jan 2015
    4:53pm
    GetUp is a grass roots voice for people of various stripes/leanings and is free to join. You can support a petition, reject a petition or ignore it and still be a member. This particular one involves a subject that would be considered by any rational person as bread and butter for YLC members. The Aged pension and pensions in general.
    Now are some of you trying to tell me YLC should ignore GetUp and a petition that advances the interests of its members ? The only bias I discern is by posters who are very pro coalition govt.
    Sallad
    18th Jan 2015
    6:29pm
    I was coming to that very same conclusion and was disturbed by the anti pensioner sentiments expressed by some posters. I am not a pensioner but I have worked and been associated with pensioners for over 40 years and it upset me no end to find most of them being made to feel like 3rd rate citizens through no fault of their own. Many of the pensioners I associate with actually feel guilty that they are pensioners, and perceived to be 'bludgers'........this I find disgusting and grossly unfair. To me, the disturbing bias I can see, is from 'posters' who are 'anti pensioners' certainly having their own agenda for their posts.

    18th Jan 2015
    8:45pm
    What is too often not recognized is that so-called ''self-funded retirees'' actually cost the nation more over 20 years in retirement than an aged pensioner. Excessively generous superannuation tax concessions, negative gearing, and other tax benefits for the wealthy drive the deficit up, and poor pensioners are being asked to pay the price. But in reality,, the per capita cost of the aged pension is falling year on year because of increased savings and better superannuation plans. After 40+ years of hard work, often in dangerous or unhealthy conditions and for grossly inadequate reward, surviving the ''recession we had to have'' with 17.5%+ interest rates and the GFC that halved many retiree's asset base, pensioners DESERVE both a decent pension and the respect of the nation. I am disgusted with Hockey for his vile insult calling our aged ''leaners'', and the Government's attempted deception over pension increases is inexcusable.

    20th Jan 2015
    5:47pm
    One thing many don't know is the top public servants because tied to MP's Tribunal and I think actually staff it - so biased - got the same 75% pay increase under Labor and the last under Coalition which is AFAIK frozen but will unfreeze. And Why dont they cut their pay back before cutting the Age Pension ? Gillard was being paid $450,000 pa and now Abbott is on $500,000pa and paid nore than Obama 300 million population or Cameron 62 million population to pay income and other taxes to support Politicians. Posted this over on Meeting Place but lefties there simply deny it - can check here for all Leaders Pay - gets more than Putin too.
    http://www.paywizard.org/main/salary/vip-check/world-leaders-salaries bookmark the site as interesting to see imo. Anyway none of them are to be trusted these days all got themselves well and truly on the Gravy Train and only consider the rest of us on Election month every 3 years. Unless we do sign petitions and demand citizens referendums - need a 100% Conservative party of the right like European countries are electing. They never dud the poor as noblesse oblige still counts as it once did with Liberals Nationals. But today none of them care and we have lost democracy a lot due to way they are elected. Need to go back to FPTP wins the seat and non compulsory as it was orginally. Tweaked so that they didnt have to do as in UK - make sure they kept in touch with you who voted for them and canvessed all around the area of the term of parliaments and also drive people to vote etc - thats being represented. Today minority groups get better than the majority and of course those who can afford donations to both parties. Even the Green took 1.6 million from one donor last time and he got land in Tassie back allegedly- goggle Tribunna mill and Conservative Park to come. Good luck with going back to tied to male average wage will always be higher than CPI which for a start has 30% re health insurance as well as other adjustments - downwards so less every time and already behind the 8 ball for rises.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:53pm
    BigVal I think you are behind the times with that statement, Austerity governments are not popular in Europe, in fact Greece just elected a government that is as far away from a 100% Conservative Party as you could get, and it seems others are looking to follow their lead.

    20th Jan 2015
    5:56pm
    Radish is correct- will always be an Age Pension whilst ever we have people here on the dole or disability. Or some other form of safety net. But then most are unaware that every time you pay your income tax you are also paying a levy towards the age Pension which when it can be given to anyone after being here 10 years and even never actually worked or paid income tax - makes nonsense of this but then governments - and parties collude in saying it never existed but if so - how then did Menzies close the Pension Fund Account in 1950 and transfer the in today's money around 2 - 3 billion to Consolidated Revenue to use for all other expenditure? And of course the regulation for the levy moved also across to ATO to put it into that Consolidated A/c. We need a inquiry into this or maybe ask the Federal Police to investigate but have they the power? Someone who has is the GG but usually a political appointment so would they act after the treatment to John Kerr. Interesting don't you think. UK has moved to exclude people getting their state pension in full unless paid in for around 40 years.
    Misty
    3rd Feb 2015
    12:47pm
    Mick seems like you could be right, Frank/Solomon sounds like the same person.
    Young Simmo
    4th Feb 2015
    1:35pm
    F-M-W.
    Frank and Misty Waffle !!!!!
    David C
    2nd Mar 2015
    1:23pm
    Based on the December 2014 quarter CPI published by the Australian bureau of Statistics and the published formular for working out pension increases, the increase for couples on the full pension due on the 20th March is only $9.30 for each partner.
    Can you confirm this figure ?
    It is just another kick in the guts for everybody on the age pension.
    David C
    the white rat
    9th Mar 2015
    10:29am
    it seems the old age pensioners are fair game for this government, for them to reduce their standard of living by reducing their pension, as if the pension is enough to live on, which it isn't, perhaps cocky hockey would prefer all aged pensioners to commit hari kari then he would be happy, perhaps the other alternative would be to introduce a national aged pension scheme paid out of all workers salaries at $100 per week and with every pay rise, 10% of their pay rise is added to their contributions and all contributions will be tax free . any person earning $300,000 0r more is exempt as I am sure their super will be enough to sustain them in their retirement. the other alternative is the workers contribute the equivalent of the compulsory super payment into a private fund. then the only people getting a government will be people who have not been able to work through of their own.

    jim mc avoy
    franny
    9th Mar 2015
    10:30am
    I never received a letter from mr ABBOTT
    franny
    9th Mar 2015
    10:35am
    A lot of European countries ...give you a Pension According to how much tax you paid over the working Years approx.70% of what you earned ..that means the more tax you paid the more your pension ...so when you been on the dole all your life or did cash work ...you get the minimum pension
    worker
    9th Mar 2015
    11:56am
    We, the Australians employee (MPS) at all levels ,therefore its my view quite some savings can be achived by reducing their wages and life time pensions.

    Stop also sending manufacturing and jobs oversees.
    Betty Blue
    9th Mar 2015
    1:32pm
    There should be a distance allowance for Pensioners living in regional areas.
    Where I live (and can't afford to move) there is no bank, bus, hospital, and petrol is 10c a litre dearer than the city. Just one food example .Limes are $1.29 in our only shop while selling
    at 30c in the nearest town!. Most of my pension goes on medical supplies and petrol to reach medical services and perhaps a lime?
    Adrianus
    9th Mar 2015
    1:39pm
    Betty, Limes are $1.29 in my town too. Spare a thought for the pensioners living in Melbourne and Sydney with their multimillion dollar homes. What about the rates they have to pay?
    Misty
    9th Mar 2015
    2:27pm
    I wouldn't waste my brain power sparing them a thought Frank, they choose to live there so it is their problem. Tongue in cheek again Frank?.
    Adrianus
    9th Mar 2015
    3:16pm
    So if you are saying they should sell and move, please tell that to your master Shorten.
    Lizzy
    9th Mar 2015
    1:40pm
    Why don't the politicans reduce their own pension entitlements!!
    bob menzies
    9th Mar 2015
    2:15pm
    I was going to sign this petition UNTIL I read GetUp was involved - they are an extreme Greens/left wing organisation that is anything but balanced in its views.
    Misty
    9th Mar 2015
    2:30pm
    What a load of rubbish bob Menzies although no need to wonder about which side of the fence you sit on with a name like that, Get Up sticks up for the poor, downtrodden and anyone else who doesn't have a voice in today's society as well as any causes they deem unfair. Politics has nothing to do with their choices.
    spud
    9th Mar 2015
    3:36pm
    So many untruths and hidden agendas. No one disputes that the present pension provides an adequate living so why decrease the pension. How does that work? Can't live on it now how do we live on it when it is less?
    LMY
    9th Mar 2015
    5:02pm
    Here's a thought...when rational argument is exhausted (or perhaps never arrives) all that's left is personal insult.
    Here's something else to muse upon: many volunteers (read unpaid) - you know, those men and women without whose support the country would scream to a halt faster than Wile E Coyote, are often pensioners. Those who mind their grandchildren so the young can work and pay taxes, those who care for the mentally or physically ill and reduce the call on our hospitals, staff and other facilities.....please feel free to add to this list ...I've barely scratched the surface.
    These amazing people will be 'paid' the equivalent of how many cents an hour? to save our Budget $millions.
    I hope the pensioner knockers on this page have taken these figures into account, but I'm not optimistic. I haven't heard any figures on this from any party either.
    Misty
    9th Mar 2015
    5:14pm
    Thanks LMY I AM A 77 year old pensioner or should I say part pensioner, my late husband and I converted our super to annuities and were able to get a part pension, he worked until he was 70 and was still repairing machines in the snow during our Snowy Mntns winters, I retired at 65 and now get my 2 grandsons ready for pre School and Kindergarten each morning and pick them up and take them home each afternoon, as mum starts work at 6 am and dad a bit later, I hope the Govt does not think I am a "leaner".
    geronimo
    9th Mar 2015
    5:38pm
    how else is joe going to afford his cigars,if he cant rip of poor,this govement should be gone
    rina1213
    9th Mar 2015
    6:37pm
    increase or no increase the cost of living keeps going up, very hard to keep up with it all
    gravy
    10th Mar 2015
    5:57am
    Firstly to help those who do not wish to give out their "real" email address when completing petitions and site registrations for competitions and so on consider using Masked Emails. These are email addresses that are disposable but will redirect emails from the masked address to your inbox until you detele the masked email address. I personally use the free version of Blur from Abine ( https://www.abine.com/index.html ) (I am in no way affiliated with Abine other than being a user of their product) for most of mine as the number of masked addresses you can create is unlimited but you can also do this using Microsoft's Outlook.com (it has a yearly limit of 10) and perhaps you can do similar with gmail or yahoo. From Microsoft Help:

    Use aliases to add email addresses to your account

    An alias is an additional email address that uses the same inbox, contact list, and account settings as the primary alias. You can sign in to your account with any alias—they all use the same password. You can send email from an alias whether you’re using Outlook.com, a mail app like Outlook or devices such as a phone.

    If you have a @hotmail.com, @live.com, or @MSN.com email address and would like to add an @outlook.com address to your Outlook.com account, the best way is to add an alias.
    Note

    Some places, like Windows 8 and Xbox 360 will only show your primary alias, but you can sign in with any alias.

    If you want a new name for your account, you can add an alias, make the new alias primary, then remove the original alias.

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    In Outlook.com, click your user name in the upper-right corner.

    Click Account settings. You might have to sign in again.

    Click Overview.

    Click Add or change aliases, and then click Add alias.

    Enter a new email address, and then click Add alias. If the address you request is already taken, you’ll be prompted to enter a different address.
    - or -
    Select Add an existing email address as a Microsoft account alias, enter an existing email address, and then click Add alias.

    Notes

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    Existing @hotmail.com, @live.com, and @msn.com addresses can't be added as aliases.

    You can create an alias using an existing email address from other providers such as Gmail, Yahoo! Plus, or AIM Mail, as long as you haven't used the address to create a Microsoft account.

    Now to the important point of Pension Rate Indexation. We have to have a fair way of keeping pension incomes realistic.

    CPI is one way of measuring inflation and as a measure this is a quote from the Australian Parliment Site ( http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/MSB/feature/UNDERLY ):

    The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is probably the most commonly used statistic for the calculation of inflation.

    However, the CPI really only measures the changes in the cost of purchases made by wage and salary households in capital cities (see the Feature Article on the CPI in the August 1996 edition of Monthly Economic and Social Indicators). The main reason for introducing the CPI was for use in the wage adjustment process.

    Although the CPI is a reasonable indicator of inflation over the long-term, it is not a good measure of the short-term inflationary pressures that are acting on the economy. This is because a large number of the items in the CPI basket of goods and services are affected by highly volatile factors, seasonal factors or government policy decisions factors:

    highly volatile price movements are caused by climatic conditions (e.g. droughts or floods) or actions such as 'price wars' or industrial disputes;
    seasonality affects price movements where items become available only at the same time(s) each year or more purchases of some items are made at certain times each year; and
    government policy decisions affect prices through revenue raising (e.g. increases in excise, dwelling rents or transport fares) or regulation (e.g. monetary policy that affects interest rates or changes to the health system that affect the cost of health services).

    The movements in the prices of such affected items mask the underlying inflation rate.

    Items and weighing on items used in calculating the CPI
    CPI item Weight (%) in CPI basket
    Meat & seafoods 3.001
    Fresh fruit & vegetables 1.417
    Clothing 6.264
    Govt owned dwelling rents 0.382
    Mortgage interest charges 6.608
    Local govt rates & charges 2.190
    Household fuel & light 2.339
    Postal & telephone services 1.715
    Consumer credit charges 2.498
    Automotive fuel 4.698
    Urban transport fares 1.212
    Tobacco & alcohol 7.475
    Health services 3.961
    Pharmaceuticals 0.820
    Holiday travel & accommodation 2.349
    Education & childcare 1.939

    Notice that it was developed to aid in the wage adjustment process and is a "reasonable" not accurate indicator of long term inflation but is affected by a number of factors including Govt Policy. Also note the weighing has large effects on some items that for the most part have little effect on the daily living standards of most pensioners (for example Clothing, and Mortgage Interest Rates but fruit and vegetables have a low weighing as do Pharmaceuticals and Urban transport fares) and does not include the cost of private rents.

    Ok so what about underlying inflation and again from the same site:

    There is no correct measure of underlying inflation. Any proposed method is open to criticism, but ultimately a measure has to be used that answers most of the criticisms and is relatively easy to compute.

    Economists at the Treasury and the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) independently arrived at very similar underlying rates, which they both calculated from the CPI.

    The Treasury rate was mutually agreed to be the best available guide and has been adopted as the standard.

    Calculation of the Treasury Underlying Rate

    Treasury's underlying rate is calculated by removing from the CPI those items whose prices are directly influenced by highly volatile, seasonal or policy factors.
    /..../
    This amounts to the removal of items that account for about 49% of the CPI while maintaining a balance between excluding the appropriate items and still having an adequate coverage of items to be priced.

    Estimates of the Treasury underlying rate have been calculated back to 1971 and were first published by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in 1994.
    /..../
    The Treasury underlying measure and the CPI All Groups measure (also called the headline rate) show very similar trends over the longer term but will diverge in the short-term - both of which are to be expected.

    Even though many items are excluded in calculating the underlying rate, it does not mean the underlying rate will always be less than the headline rate. The underlying rate does not understate inflation.

    When the RBA states that, on average, the monetary policy target for inflation is ideally at or below 2%-3%, it is the underlying rate that is being referred to.


    Again a rate calculation subject to errors and some tweaking (49% of items used in CPI calculations are removed) to get a reasonable measure.

    So what is a fair way of calculating pension increases? Of all the choices it seems the fairest way is to use parity against the Average Weekly Earnings. Now for another reason why CPI may not be a good way of calculating pension increases. The Government seems to want to implement the Public Service Pension method of assessing pension increases. The Formula used is as follows (please note this is not the method for Parlimentary Pensions which increase at the same rate that Parlimentary Salaries increase):
    (Second Half Year CPI figure - First Half Year CPI figure) X 100 / First Half Year figure = % Pension Increase

    To put this into a real and recent increase perspective

    (September 2014 CPI figure - March 2014 CPI figure) X 100 / March 2014 CPI figure =

    (106.4 - 105.4) X 100 / 105.4 =

    0.9488%

    = 0.9% (as the figure is rounded to nearest tenth of a percent)

    However if the Second Half Year figure is lower or the same as the First Half Year Figure no increase is paid for example if the CPI figure for September had been 105.4 or lower then there would be no increase for the following 6 months. By the way this 0.9% increase was not paid (and is never backdated) until the first payday in January 2015 some 4 months after the increase had occurred. The next calculation will be based on September 2014 and March 2015 figures and if an increase occurs it will be paid in July 2015.

    So in real terms the Pension Increase was less than the CPI increase and if this is what is applied to Age or any Government Pension eg Carers then not only will they be based on a figure created to help negotiate (only negotiate mind you) fair wage increases but also will, with strong probability, lead to substainial decreases in Pension rates against real cost increases.
    Chris B T
    10th Mar 2015
    1:08pm
    The AGE PENSION and other Centerlink payments as well as ALL FEDERAL Govt, Awards be
    LINKED TO THE POLITIANS INCREASES.
    Its' only fair we can't afford one of the increases so eliminate some of the out date practices of.
    ROBBIING THE ELECTRATE BLIND from OUR TAXES.
    WE CAN'T AFFORD YOUR OVER PAYMENTS TO YOURSELVES.
    Adrianus
    10th Mar 2015
    2:47pm
    I agree Chris and that is why I have decided to stop voting.
    worker
    20th Mar 2015
    3:44pm
    Yep millions can be saved by Australian citizens not paying there past employees (MPs)life time pensions and other perks.
    Sallad
    20th Mar 2015
    6:37pm
    I agree with you. Its time the Pollies became more accountable and do some heavy lifting. Their perks are costing all of us heaps.
    worker
    18th Jun 2015
    10:50am
    low payed employees and pensioners appear to be the continues targets of MP but we note MP do not raise the facts to their self given wages ,perks and so called pensions.

    MP employees of the Australian citizens are the only employees that pass laws that given pay increases ,other perks they are also the only employees that after a few years of being a employee MP leave or are removed from their job continue to receive life long perks and forms of pensions payed for from their employer (Australian citizens)
    its well over due that should fall in line with other employees across this and receive no payed perks or pensions when they are no in the job as a MP.


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