Nationals back push to reduce speed limit on mobility scooters

Battle for our footpaths begins as Nationals try to clampdown on scooter speeds.

Push to regulate mobility scooters

The National Party is determined to reduce the maximum speeds of mobility scooters after the wife of Senator John Williams was hit by one of the vehicles.

Mr Williams secured overwhelming support at the party's federal conference to push for mobility scooters to be speed limited to six kilometres per hour.

Mobility scooters currently have a maximum speed limit of 10 kilometres per hour, roughly the same speed as a person jogging.

At last week’s federal National Party conference, Mr Williams passed a motion calling for the lower speed limit and a maximum weight of 150 kilograms for the scooters.

In early August, Mr Williams’ wife, Nancy Capel, was struck by a scooter in regional NSW and suffered injuries that required a total hip replacement.

"[She] took literally one step out of the office and the gopher hit her," Senator Williams told ABC radio after the accident.

"One of the staff looked out and all she saw was Nancy literally airborne and she landed on her left hip and just smashed her left hip to pieces."

Senator Williams argued the drivers do not need a licence, insurance or medical checks to ensure they are physically and mentally well enough to be behind the wheel, and the lower speed limit would reduce the risk of accidents.

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce has thrown his support behind greater regulation for scooters, while emphasising that he did not want to see a ban introduced.

The move for greater regulation of scooters has come under fire for punishing seniors and people with a disability.

Read more at abc.net.au

Opinion: Reactive move will disadvantage seniors

We all feel sympathy for Senator Williams’ wife after her run-in with a mobility scooter, however, good policy should be based on exhaustive research, and not appear to made on the run.

The National Party’s push to reduce the speed limit on scooters and push for a maximum weight limit smacks of policy on the run, with nary a thought for the impact it could have on those with mobility issues.

Taking one anecdotal accident with a Senator’s wife is no way to properly judge whether there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Incredibly, the people most likely to be affected by any change to scooter regulations are those the Nationals claim to represent, the people living in rural and regional areas.

Dropping the maximum speed limit by four kilometres an hour might not seem like a lot in the city, but in regional areas where the distance people need to travel can be far greater, this will have a major impact.

The push by the Nationals to ban the larger models will also hurt their core constituency the hardest, with those larger models much more appropriate for the distances covered and the rougher terrain encountered in rural areas.

The current legal top speed is equivalent to jogging and already limits individuals who rely on these devices to commute.

To reduce the speed further will unnecessarily place vulnerable users at risk as it will take longer for them to travel to their required destination.

The Nationals’ policy will also have a profound impact on motorised wheelchair users as they fall under the same regulations as mobility scooters.  Their policy will mean Australia will have the most draconian regulatory environment in the world for such devices.

Worse still is the fact that it will lead to much higher prices for scooters.

According to Assistive Technology Suppliers Australasia, there are no local producers of mobility scooters, with all of the vehicles being imported. As Australia only represents two per cent of the global market, manufacturers are unlikely to build specific models to suit the new regulations.

The vast majority of motorised mobility users are doing the right thing, and the Nationals must produce more than one anecdotal example to prove that increased regulations are necessary.

What do you think? Do you think motorised mobility devices should be better regulated? What changes would you like to see?

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    pisac1
    20th Sep 2017
    10:12am
    isn't it funny how you want to change laws when something happens to you how ever i do agree that speed limit is introduced as most of the time it is driven on footpath and young children might run out of the house
    Retired Knowall
    20th Sep 2017
    4:10pm
    I nearly got struck by a elderly lady when exiting a shop in Cobar. This person was traveling too fast for the footpath. They weigh over 100Kg so any impact with a pedestrian would be serious. Also helped an intoxicated gentleman right his scooter when he went too fast from the road to the footpath and overbalanced.
    Certainly need better regulation.
    pisac1
    20th Sep 2017
    10:14am
    and another thing maybe politician should get they wifes to live of pension for three months just to see what is it like then we might get pay rise
    Retired Knowall
    20th Sep 2017
    4:05pm
    Wifes?
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    8:59pm
    Might be a Muslim...
    particolor
    21st Sep 2017
    12:02am
    Oh Right !! One of the Members of the Labor Party !! :-)
    jamesthepiper
    20th Sep 2017
    10:23am
    Without knowing all the facts of the poor senator's wife, it's a bit hard to comment, but I would guess that she probably walked straight out onto the street without looking. If another pedestrian was walking past she probably would have walked into them. Would we then have a speed limit for pedestrians? It really smacks of a stupid, not thought through, policy. I live in the Blue Mountains and for a lot of people the shops are a few kms away. Dropping the speed limit due to an inattentive pedestrian would mean that people could be taking an extra 15-30 minutes or so to get to the shops. As the ban would also include the larger scooters, with weather protection, it could be a case of some people with disabilities being forced to endure wind and rain and subsequent weather related illness, simply because of someone who wasn't watching what they were doing.
    Star Trekker
    20th Sep 2017
    11:14am
    I am in agreement with you, she probably didn't look both ways before exiting the office. I also live in a country town where the only transport is a bus every 1.5 hours, taxis, cars, bikes, motorbikes, motorised scooters & wheelchairs.

    Pushing people into using specialised taxis when money is limited is not the way to go.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    11:18am
    And don't forget that anyone so disabled they need a mobility scooter is probably a bit slow to react.

    Special lanes on footpaths like the Malbun trams??

    Gets sillier by the minute....
    Rosret
    20th Sep 2017
    12:29pm
    She didn't walk out onto the street, she walked out of the doorway of a shop.
    I am absolutely with the National party on this one. The Baby boomers are shortly going to be in this category and there are lots of us.
    I see young people using them as transport as they have lost their drivers licence.
    I have seen a pair of old chaps on the country road travelling home from the club.
    I have seen my mother who hired one in a shopping mall as an absolute danger to all in her path! Luckily she gave up before anyone was injured.
    Have you walked along the Yarra River in Melbourne where all the restaurants are situated. Bicycle riders travel in the midst of the pedestrians at full speed. They nearly sent my toddler grandson flying as none of us expected bicycle riders on a busy city footpath. - and somehow its OK!
    Those bike riders have attitude but at least they still have reasonable response time. The elderly don't. They don't obey the road rules when crossing the road and they view themselves as "disabled" with priority rights. It just has to be leashed in before somebody dies.
    Farside
    20th Sep 2017
    12:33pm
    @TREBOR, slow reactions ... really? Talk about getting sillier by the minute.
    CindyLou
    20th Sep 2017
    7:35pm
    Totally agree Roset...bloody dangerous especially in shopping centre areas.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:00pm
    Well - you must have seen some of the really old drivers and their slow judgement etc.... same applies.
    rtrish
    20th Sep 2017
    10:54am
    I do have some sympathy for the National's stance, after nearly being run down several times in a shopping centre. Often the scooter's driver zooms up behind, without (seemingly) any consideration for pedestrians. Even when they approach you, they zoom along. I also know personally of a scooter rider (who was a poor driver when he had a car) who zoomed straight off the kerb without stopping and hit a car. By all means do some research on the best safety measures, but I'm not against some limits.
    step
    20th Sep 2017
    10:59am
    Hi, I do feel for the Politicians wife, however it is interesting to note, that the reaction is much quicker when a politician is involved, as to when an ordinary citizen is involved in a matter similar
    Wendy HK
    20th Sep 2017
    2:35pm
    So true. Also if a judges family was involved in a crime they wouldn't get "pussy" sentences.
    Jezemeg8
    20th Sep 2017
    11:03am
    I wonder, was this woman hit by the scooter after stepping out from a shop without looking? Or perhaps she stopped suddenly? I drive a mobility scooter and depend on it to meet my daily needs, without it I'd be stuck inside my home. Yet, I've been broadsided twice (and my scooter destroyed) by vehicles leaving properties with concealed entrances (I couldn't see the approaching car, the driver had no way of seeing what was coming along the footpath), each time I was more than half way across the entrance when struck. Then we must deal with pedestrians whose eyes are glued to their mobile phone screens and it is impossible to determine their path, often they have walked into me, but then, I'm going to fast obviously even when I've stopped! To further limit our speed would cause even more accidents, I've lost count of the number of times, when crossing the street, that I've had to suddenly change direction and speed away from a car that is turning in front of me, any slower and I'd have been under the wheels of the car that had failed to give way.
    Personally I would much rather drive on the road, keeping to the left as close to the kerb as practical, footpaths present a myriad of difficulties, and most cars do stop before entering the roadway (unlike crossing footpaths). Our speeds are already restricted, we cannot do more than 10km/h, but most times we are travelling far slower than that. Our scooters also come to a complete stop when we release the lever, unlike cars braking. As to the weight of our scooters, well some people need the heavier ones because of their bulk and height. To top this off, not all mobility scooter users are elderly and retired, there are many who are using their scooters to do their jobs, they don't have 'all day' as some claim those of us who are retired do ( although even retirees have appointments that must be kept). I would urge pedestrians to ALWAYS look before stepping out of a store, it only takes a moment and may well prevent you from walking into the path of a mobility scooter user just trying to live his/her life!
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    11:21am
    .. and don't forget the Schizophrenic Sidestep - the ones that walk along totally distracted by listening to the Heavenly Choir or whatever, never meet eyes with anyone, and wander from side to side instead of keeping a straight path... amazing sight....

    Someone told me these scooters were already limited to 10kph.
    Rosret
    20th Sep 2017
    12:44pm
    The person who collected the politicians wife was travelling fast along the footpath close to the shop entrances. People do not expect fast moving modes of transport on a pedestrian path.
    The driver was behaving irresponsibly and we shouldn't need laws put in place for the rude and ignorant however in this day and age it appears we do.
    PS She is not alone on this issue - they need to include all assisted transport - bikes, scooters, skateboards, wheelchairs, mobility scooters etc etc.
    Trebor 10 km/hr on a shopping centre footpath is very fast. That's faster than a runner charging up the path without looking and bowling over anyone in their path.
    The pedestrian footpaths are there for people to stroll, window shop and listen to "choir music". I am not sure when the laws changed but they used to have laws in place to protect the pedestrian.
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    2:01pm
    So Jezemeg8, it is everyone else's responsibility to accommodate the arrogant scooter rider and their aggressive behaviour on PEDESTRIAN walkways? Got it!
    Retired Knowall
    20th Sep 2017
    4:13pm
    It's called a FOOTPATH for a reason.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:01pm
    But scooters are not registered road vehicles, and are designed to use on footpaths.

    Can't see an answer to the problem of shared footpaths.
    Pushkin2
    20th Sep 2017
    11:07am
    Why punish all for the actions of one? The next thing there will be laws requiring someone to walk with a warning red flag in front of a scooter like the early days of automobiles. Where are they going to put all those arrested speeding disabled pensioners? I wonder why the National Party is so reactionary in this regard but so poorly serving farmers for whom the party was originally formed?
    Ted Wards
    20th Sep 2017
    11:09am
    This has been an ongoing issue for over ten years. COTA in South Australia actually produced a video and some books around the safety issues for Scooters. So its more really a case of politicians not really having a clue about ordinary everyday issues until it personally effects them. Like most issues the real stories are not being listened to. Then there is the issue about whats happening to our elderly in retirement villages and being neglected in residential care. There are so many really important issues being totally ignored and pseudo issues such as marriage equality taking the lime light. Its time our politicians woke up and got in touch with every day Australians facing every day issues.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    11:14am
    Nah - hot 'em up - nice big motor bike engine underneath and high octane petrol....
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    2:03pm
    They are mostly red after all!
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    8:58pm
    Fair point...
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    11:17am
    What did speed have to do with it? She took one step without looking out the door, and was hit? Could've walked into a pedestrian walking the left side or a baby carriage or anything... reversing garbage truck.

    Whenever I go out a door onto a busy footpath I look both ways...

    What a load of nonsense. Nanny State politics at its worst - now we need armour plated surrounds outside doors so people won't bump into one another.
    grounded
    20th Sep 2017
    12:03pm
    Talking rubbish again Trebor.....when will you ever stop?

    It is only YOU'RE suggestion the lady is question wasn't looking....you made that up Trebor...to suit your narrative.

    What have "armour plated surrounds outside doors" to do with this article. More of the inventive Trebor again.

    Also Trebor....it is not "so people won't bump into one another".....It was a scooter operator; extensively exceeding a sensible speed running down a pedestrian....I know the feeling and experience...having been hit by a Scooter myself - but oh , by Trebor's lying rhetoric, "I wouldn't have been looking"!
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    12:39pm
    You may dispute the interpretation of events and if you don't like the little bit of humour injected, just walk on by - you may NOT dispute the man.

    Now come back when you have grown up.

    Look where you are walking in future...... if your situation was different, that has nothing to do with the issue raised here of stepping out. You may just continue to step out of doorways into the pedestrian etc traffic without looking - might result in the best outcome for us all.

    Your right to be thick as a plank is your own right - and I have no problem with that - but keep your silly personal criticisms to yourself.
    Jack42
    20th Sep 2017
    11:37am
    We have speed and weight limits in our Nanny State (SA)
    Sen.Cit.90
    20th Sep 2017
    11:38am
    Well, I never another over the top Polly's reaction. For me, it is another reason to vote the major parties out of government.
    Rosret
    20th Sep 2017
    12:49pm
    Isn't it better to decide the merit of the case rather than the flag someone flies. If there is a need for a law to be made then lets consider it. Everyone has the right to lobby their local member including a parliamentarian's wife.
    Not Senile Yet!
    20th Sep 2017
    11:44am
    Total over reaction!
    However..the Govt might do better by adopting an Insurance scheme for Pensioners/Disabled who are unfortunate enough to have such accidents that the public can claim against!
    These things are impossible to Police anyway!
    Strikes me as a Politician who abuses his position of influence to assert his power negatively rather than Serve ALL his constituents...including the person who unfortunately hit his partner!
    No longer Public Servants...they believe and Behave like Privelged Lords!
    HarrysOpinion
    20th Sep 2017
    11:48am
    And, I’d like to slap the Nationals and the Liberals.
    I received my Contents Insurance renewal which includes a $55.48 Fire Service Levy plus GST.
    WHY THE HELL DOES THIS GOVERNMENT CHARGE GST ON A FIRE SERVICE LEVY?
    All levy should be GST exempt otherwise it’s tax on tax.
    WHAT A RIP OFF ! WHAT A BUNCH OF THIEVES !.
    They are the ones who need a slap in a face !
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    2:06pm
    What does this have to do with hooning scooter riders?
    Edenbann
    20th Sep 2017
    11:53am
    Mobility scooters should have some audible noise incorporated into them. They can certainly 'creep' up on you unawares. Very dangerous for pedestrians and motorists as they cannot hear them.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:03pm
    Perhaps they should blow the horn every ten seconds or so.... like some Asian nation....

    That would make some feel at home.
    Jack42
    20th Sep 2017
    11:59am
    what about push bikes they can cause a lot of damage as well.
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    1:37pm
    Not as much as the mobility scooters. They are far lighter for a start.
    Eddy
    20th Sep 2017
    12:02pm
    Yes I would be in favour of speed restrictions on mobility vehicles, at least to walking pace where other pedestrians are present. Most people drive these vehicles responsibly yet there are others who are more no more than geriatric hoons.
    I personally have been knocked over by a 'gopher' in our local shopping centre, fortunately the only injury was too my dignity. I' have had several near misses (or should that be near collisions) on footpaths and other places. In almost every instance it has been due to the elderly riders travelling too fast in close proximity to pedestrians. The time I got knocked down (from behind) the elderly rider, instead of being apologetic, claimed it was my fault because I did not get out of her way as, being a disabled person, she had right of way over able bodied persons. I have seen this lady many times riding her 'gopher' in the supermarket, she is always bumping into things, I suspect her eyesight was so bad she is not able to judge space or distance. I now make a conscious effort to keep well out of her way.
    PlanB
    20th Sep 2017
    12:02pm
    Having had to get one of these in a large shopping centre and have known the total Ignorance that the public show -- and NEVER even look -- they just walk out straight in front of you, and it has had to be ME that gave way to everyone.

    I feel for those that have to use them all the time -- I bet this politicians wife has been one of those that never looked and is for blaming it solely on the scooter driver.

    If they lower the speed it means more time out in the HOT sun in the summer or in the rain or cold in the winter.

    I ask do you not LOOK before you step out anywhere!
    Mr Williams is and has always been -- all about him.

    My suggestion is let these such as Willaims and Barnaby Joyce try having to use one of these for a few months and see how the hell they enjoy it!

    I also agree that the scooter riders have to be very aware and also do the right thing.
    johnp
    20th Sep 2017
    12:05pm
    lets bash the pensioners again and again !!
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    2:07pm
    Yes let's when they deserve it.

    Not all pensioners are sweet little old men and women!
    Doc
    20th Sep 2017
    12:11pm
    Funny when something happens to a pollie they want to change thing. They don't think about pensioners when thing really need changing but what do you expect people in the country keep voting for these parasites.
    elephants
    20th Sep 2017
    12:16pm
    Well look how quick it happens when someone or their family is hurt. Rules get changed. Always said if a family member was hurt .raped killed they would all scream for changes. Laws need bring up to todays society. Things need changing but do they do anything NO. THE victoms & their families always suffer. Their need to live in the real world not in their ivory towers
    Farside
    20th Sep 2017
    12:53pm
    You don't need a mobility scooter to knock someone over and break her hip. Some years ago while on a day trip with the retirement village, a middle aged woman making a beeline for the all-you-can-eat buffet bumped my relatively nimble 88 year old grandmother over causing her to break her hip. We don't need more nanny state regulations because a little patience and courtesy was not dispkayed.
    ex PS
    20th Sep 2017
    1:38pm
    I see no reason why these things need to go faster than what is considered normal walking pace. Just put fixed speed regulators on them and fine anyone who tampers with the regulators.
    CindyLou
    20th Sep 2017
    7:49pm
    Sensible - walking pace is enough.
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:06pm
    My car has 'sonar' in the bumper that sets off a beep when you get close to another object. Maybe there is a place for that.... get close to a pedestrian and 'beep, beep'... (I've been on jet liners that have less beeps than this thing)...but that wouldn't save the odd pedestrian striding out of a door...... sudden impact....
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    1:53pm
    Is all the victim blaming going on here because she is a politician's wife? Shame on you all.

    In the area where I live, there is a posse of three old men all on red, go-faster scooters and they DO hoon around the suburb. In convoy. And individually. At 5am they charge through the bus queue of up to 30 people without slowing down and just expecting that everyone will jump out the way. In the nearest Westfield shopping centre there are many scooter riders because the centre also lends them freely (you just have to book one).People drive around with gay abandon with little thought for anyone entering or exiting shops, stopping to look in windows or adjust shopping bags, small children or even other scooter riders. The attitude is that they can do exactly what they want at any speed they chose and it is up to everyone else to dive out of the way. There are numerous near misses everyday. Frankly the hue and cry over cyclists even when the cyclists are doing nothing wrong is out of all proportion to some of the things I have seen from scooter riders.

    I am all for lowering the speed in populated areas. But how will this be policed at bus stops at 5am? It won't. And if the scooter rider does not have the mental capacity to know they are putting others in danger (and themselves) then they have no business being on one in the first place!
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:08pm
    They need a higher speed to 'get home' 'across country', KSS - so how to you compel a slower speed in a 'built-up area'? Maybe that sonar thing I mentioned - numerous strikes and it automatically slows down to 4-5kph.
    Tony
    20th Sep 2017
    2:16pm
    Gophers are for the use of people with Disabilities. And their are rules to help integrate with other users of footpaths.
    Like people who speed in cars, their are users that disregards these guidelines.
    * Those that "Hot Up" their gophers to far exceed the 10Kmh supposedly set on these machines.
    *Cowboy gophers who drive on the road where the footpaths are perfectly suitable and give you the finger when challenged, or words to that affect.
    * The difference between 10Kph and 60Kph is an accident waiting to happen. Especially on roundabouts.
    *The number of accidents between motor vehicles and gophers when they should be a completely separated space.
    Hasbeen
    20th Sep 2017
    2:20pm
    Yes of course we need a speed limit on these things. Many of the drivers are accidents going somewhere to happen. Many of them obviously have no idea of the road rules, & should not be let loose.

    People should have to pass the verbal drivers licence test at least before being allowed out on the street, particularly on the foot path.

    Size is also an issue. Some of them are getting as big as quad bikes, or perhaps some are riding their quad bikes around supermarkets. I recently saw one in a local large isled supermarket, having to do 3 point turns, [back & fill], to get around the ends of the isles. The rider hit one person, & 2 shopping trolleys with in my sight, & should have been ejected from the shop.

    Super markets must be made aware that they are responsible for shopper safety, so they will prevent these very large things from entering their stores.
    Joy Anne
    20th Sep 2017
    2:25pm
    Yes it funny that if it happens to a Politian's wife then things have to change.
    What above the people of Australia when they want something done, attitude we don't care.
    My scooter only goes 12klm per hr. I was told that is the speed that is set down by govt.
    Well Qld govt. I have been going around 2-3 klm when people just walk straight out in front of you. They don't look and this happens so much then they turn around and say watch where your going. What about the people walking.
    Joy Anne
    20th Sep 2017
    2:28pm
    I certainly do not back your stance. Bugger off. If a scooter can only go 10klm/hr I very much doubt if that damaged her hip to have a replacement. That is bull shit. I bet she walked straight in front of the scooter. No its always the peoples fault not the politians wife
    The pom
    20th Sep 2017
    3:50pm
    As a person well into the 80s I may have to consider using a gopher in the not too distant future. I do think they should definitely be restricted to 6 Kph in busy areas as I have seen too many old clowns hooning along in streets and shopping centres. My wife was hit by a stupid old man reversing at full speed in a shopping centre. a number of years ago I worked part time in a shop on a busy main road with a narrow footpath, and would see frequently a clown racing along the pavement not worrying about anybody else. Some of the staff were thinking of going out of the door with a long plank of wood just as he was coming along.
    Eddy
    20th Sep 2017
    3:50pm
    I am looking at this issue through my engineer eyes. Have not people noticed that pedestrians of all ages seem to have a habit of stepping straight through doorways, pushing their shopping cart through ends of supermarket aisles, stopping or suddenly changing direction, without indicating or looking. It seems to be a common human trait irrespective of age or sex. As an engineer, I have to be cognisant of common and unchangeable human behaviour in looking at a solution to a problem.
    With an adult pedestrian-adult pedestrian collision it is two pliant bodies of similar size (regardless of weight differential) and structure who bounce off each other and almost instantaneously come to a halt. In a collision between pedestrian and mobility vehicle the main difference is the speed, gross weight (if the vehicle weight is 150kg and the rider is 50kg then the gross weight is 200kg)and rigidity of the vehicle plus the reaction time of the rider to apply the brake and bring the vehicle to a halt. You try, but won't succeed, in changing human behaviour, the gross weight or rigidity of a vehicle or the rider reaction time. So of all these variables only the speed is something that can be used to minimise injury in all situations.
    So the question is do we accept a number of preventable injuries to pedestrians or do we limit the speed of mobility vehicles?
    KSS
    20th Sep 2017
    5:53pm
    Have you looked at the people on the scooters Eddy? The vast majority would be a great deal more than 50kg!
    floss
    20th Sep 2017
    3:56pm
    WHat about the people on mobile phones , they are much worse and should have more brains . Is it just more pensioner bashing that seems to be the way of this Liberal Party.
    Eddy
    20th Sep 2017
    5:08pm
    Not all riders of mobility vehicles are pensioners. Admittedly pensioners represent a large percentage of riders.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2017
    5:51pm
    Yes floss pensioners are lowlife scum put them on food stamps and save the country and don't forget to vote for the labor fags and paedophile s who you support
    Ahjay
    20th Sep 2017
    4:24pm
    A friend of mine got hit by a car and seriously injured.

    Will they put the same restrictions on motor cars?
    Eddy
    20th Sep 2017
    5:11pm
    I thought there were already restrictions on motor cars. There are speed restrictions or limits, licencing requirements, parking restrictions and compulsory insurance to name a few
    bobby
    20th Sep 2017
    5:16pm
    What's all the palaver about. The scooter is being driven on a footpath and should not exceed the average walking speed or jogging speed.
    jg42
    20th Sep 2017
    5:52pm
    leave the law as is.police the speed limit i have seen speed far in excess of 10kph in supermarkets
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2017
    6:16pm
    If they are exceeding the speed limit and they are pensioners put the freeloaders in jail the less pensioners the better
    floss
    20th Sep 2017
    6:30pm
    Roby you are a nasty piece of work , most pensioners are great people that have built this country that you are trying to bring down.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2017
    7:39pm
    Floss you loser no doubt you are a labor troll and ever work a day in your life and don't forget to vote the fags you low life
    TREBOR
    20th Sep 2017
    9:10pm
    **falls about laughing**
    particolor
    21st Sep 2017
    12:09am
    Between the Nasty pieces of work and the Fags I've developed a Nasty Cough !! :-( :-(
    Young Simmo
    21st Sep 2017
    12:29am
    Roby, in the courage race you come a very poor last, I hope you can read between my lines.
    Signed: A LIBERAL since 1958.
    LiveItUp
    20th Sep 2017
    7:35pm
    Mobile scooters should be limited to walking pace that is 3 to 4 klm per hour at the most. Way too dangerous with old people with poor reactions going any faster.

    The ones that really worry me are the ones who are scootering along and turn onto the road to cross it without looking.

    It bad enough running into a pedestrian when existing a shop let along one of those scotters driven by old people with poor reactions and poor eye sight.
    CindyLou
    20th Sep 2017
    7:42pm
    This topic has hot a nerve with me.
    I am furious at SOME of the folk who use scooters. These selfish folk are dangerous particularly in public areas like shops or footpaths near shops. Many a time I have gestured to these speedsters to slow down. Other times I have complained to Centre Management.

    Scooters in such areas should, in my opinion, travel at walking pace only - and then they could still kill a toddler or knock an adult over. It's crazy and selfish - I believe repeat offenders of dangerous practices, ie speeding in shopping centers should be banned.
    CindyLou
    20th Sep 2017
    7:43pm
    Correction, sorry
    "hit a nerve". Darn ipad
    BillF2
    20th Sep 2017
    7:44pm
    While sympathising with the senator's wife and not wishing anyone to be involved in such an accident, I would like to say two things. As children learning to cross a road are taught "look left, look right, and look left again", so the senator's wife could have looked both ways before entering on to the footpath. Admittedly one does not expect to be hit by a pedestrian or a vehicle of any sort, but given the fact that bicycles, gophers, and even runners use the footpath, the advice is still appropriate. Secondly, this proposal says more about the Nationals lack of relevance in the body politic of Australia.There are so many pressing problems both in and around Australia today, and all they can come up with is a law to limit the speed and weight of gophers. If that is the extent of their vision and their contribution to the nation, then it is time they were disbanded and replaced with more intellectually capable representatives. Why are we wasting good money on this bunch of self-interested losers?
    CindyLou
    20th Sep 2017
    7:53pm
    Disagree basically - do YOU always look both ways - I don't. Why should I when I am on the FOOTpath at shopping areas.
    Nerk
    20th Sep 2017
    9:17pm
    Quite often a law is changed when it affects a politician, not the average person, home invasion? as yet no politician families have been affected.
    (by the way I am not wishing such a event on anyone)
    Dorliz
    21st Sep 2017
    9:26am
    You should look, you could fall down a hole.
    Hendo
    20th Sep 2017
    10:39pm
    Re: Mobility scooters. I do not agree with the Senator's suggested speed limits but I believe that there should be a limit in shopping malls. The limit should be walking pace and there should be a two metre clearance passing store doorways. I have seen mobility scooters travelling at well above walking pace and in many cases just across store doorways. If a customer were to step out of a store there could be dire consequences.
    particolor
    21st Sep 2017
    12:00am
    Who wrote this ?? R. Sup
    Young Simmo
    20th Sep 2017
    10:49pm
    What a load of tripe by a weak crying politician. Gophers are already speed limited to 10 Kph, and if they are reduced by another 3 kph, I'll put mine away and get my 18 speed bike out of the shed, then watch out Mrs Sooky, as at 20 Kph your wallet will go flying when I hit you properly.
    Actually it was only last week I was investigating putting lager wheels on mine, to get to the bottle shop quicker, so far I haven't seen a GOPHER driver being told to blow in the bag.
    OK, come and get me I am ready, Mr innocent little old pensioner.
    Hendo
    20th Sep 2017
    11:19pm
    10km/h, as mentioned by Young Simmo, is well above walking pace. A fit person could walk at around 6km/h. I believed mobility scooters were to assist otherwise-disabled persons get around, not be a contest over who rules the footpaths. It is fair that they travel faster in the open, but in shopping malls should be limited.

    I believe that the Editor should speak to Young Simmo about his written language, ie, the belligerent tone.
    Young Simmo
    20th Sep 2017
    11:29pm
    Hendo, If my idea of a bit of humor is too much for you, maybe a good old fashioned Bex might help.
    Good luck mate.
    Hendo
    21st Sep 2017
    12:05am
    Young Simmo, you are getting personal now. Can one still buy Bex? By the way, the word is "humour" unless you are from USA. That is my last word for the night as I am off to bed with an osteo-paracetemol in lieu of a Bex.
    Young Simmo
    21st Sep 2017
    12:23am
    Sorry Hendo, but I thought your reference to the Editor actually started the personal part if you want to go down that road sorry, pathway.
    Have a nice night mate.
    al
    21st Sep 2017
    2:20am
    The maximum speed for a mobility scooter by law is 10 kmph and scooters are regulated as such by the government when the scooter arrives in this country.
    Blossom
    27th Sep 2017
    7:18am
    Apparently they can be turned up to go faster. You don't even need tools. I know an elderly lady who goes faster than she should. Ger family alter the setting to legal speed and she adjusts it again
    Blossom
    27th Sep 2017
    7:18am
    Apparently they can be turned up to go faster. You don't even need tools. I know an elderly lady who goes faster than she should. Ger family alter the setting to legal speed and she adjusts it again
    Dorliz
    21st Sep 2017
    4:43am
    Maybe a speed limit on a footpath would be good and maybe only 4km per hour but on country roads it would be just too slow when you are going home and it starts to rain - commonsense must prevail. One Senators wife does not mean an avalanche of accidents. Definitely slower on the footpath.
    CindyLou
    21st Sep 2017
    7:56am
    In principle the suggestion of different speed limits on footpaths and country roads/zones seems sensible, however, the problem, in my opinion, is that SOME scooter users have no insight into their dangerous behaviors.

    As I have mentioned previously on this thread, on countless occasions I have signalled or asked scooter riders to slow down in shopping areas - all to no avail, I have reported many times to centre management at shops.

    I'd like to see speedsters repeat offenders banned from shopping centers.

    21st Sep 2017
    8:23am
    About darn time. Someone got hit by a mobility scooter, badly hurt, and unless she took to court there was no way she could get any compensation for pain and injury etc.
    Eddy
    21st Sep 2017
    11:01am
    Maybe there needs to be a registration system for mobility vehicles where the operators pay a compulsory 3rd party insurance premium? Do we need operator skill tests, which include vision tests? As I understand it at the current time anyone, including the legally blind and those suffering advanced dementia, may legally operate a mobility vehicle.
    Maybe the risk of losing the privilege to operate a mobility vehicle will deter the more 'hoonish' operators from their dangerous behaviours.
    PlanB
    21st Sep 2017
    11:32am
    But Eddy, then the LESS hoonish still have to pay -- believe me, these people do not look where the hell they are going and I know I am always having to stop and give way to these inconsiderate sods when I get one to do the shopping.

    It really comes down to darn manners on both parties like when you are driving and allow others in and or give way -- they never acknowledge you
    KB
    21st Sep 2017
    11:32am
    Sometime people just forget that they are speeding faster than they should be. People with major disabilities do rely on them for commuting Transport is limited for people who need to use mobility scooters, Pedestrians just need to take better care and look as you do for traffic on the road, People talking on their mobile phones are more of an issue for me. Have bumped by the. Mobile phone users need to ne regulated. Courtesy and consideration are the way to go not more laws and regulations.
    CindyLou
    21st Sep 2017
    2:05pm
    No, pedestrians (especially small children) on footpaths and in shopping areas are innocent - why should they be on high alert for scooters. In regard to people talking on mobiles, well I'd rather bump into a person or be bumped by a person (on a mobile) than hit with one of these mobility scooters.

    also, there needs to be compulsory insurance - if one of these scooters hits me I will take the driver to the bloody cleaners.
    Young Simmo
    21st Sep 2017
    3:15pm
    CindyLou, that outburst of yours tells me you expect to be 6 foot under before your reach 40 years, if not I wish you happy GOPHERING.
    CindyLou
    21st Sep 2017
    5:21pm
    Young Simmo, if only I was under 40 years...early 60s :(

    My outburst is because I am generally a polite caring peron, but when I have gestured to speedsters in their scooters to slow down I get such a horrible response. I use my hands and motion downwards - just to then be ignored or abused. Why the .... do these people think they need to rush for, are they surgeons on their way to perform brain surgery etc. No.

    I not care too much for chit chat about politics or even issues such as SSM, but I am passionate about this issue.

    In regard to using a scooter, I can't ever see myself in one god willing.
    coff
    21st Sep 2017
    3:24pm
    bloody hoons need to be slowed down
    CindyLou
    21st Sep 2017
    5:24pm
    Ditto - I think that's the point, "need to be slowed down" - obviously self regulation - control is not working.
    ashydasher
    21st Sep 2017
    10:51pm
    There seems to be no point in having mobility scooters moving faster than a brisk walking pace which surely would not disadvantage any user. I have witnessed several collisions of these with pedestrians and even seen one being driven at what would have been top speed in traffic on a main road. Not only must the safety of pedestrians be considered when the scooters are used in a crowd situation but the safety of the person using it as well in all situations.
    Lookfar
    26th Sep 2017
    8:32am
    The easiest quick response is to put speed restrictions in high density pedestrian areas, - just like motor cars, 40 50 60 km/hr speed restrictions for motor cars in built up areas are normal, within supermarkets or areas assessed as similiarly dangerous, low speed limits for scooters could apply, - with signs as appropriate, - but it should be sensible, only high density, and if it is only high density for part of the day, the signage should specify that just like near schools for motor cars, let's not get carried away with fear and further punish the elderly, they deserve their place in the sun just as much as anyone else, and if they can't drive a scooter or can only cope with a very speed limited scooter, like P drivers, well that may be, but not be applied to everyone else because the young are unable to cope with aging except by denial.
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2017
    12:36pm
    Lookfar, to have speed restrictions you need speedos and there are a million gophers out there without speedos. So go back to sleep and leave the oldies alone. WOW, I have never seen so many wingers on one subject on this site before, and it's all because of a winging Politician.
    PlanB
    22nd Sep 2017
    7:26am
    ITS OK to have speed restrictions in shopping areas but don't need them on the street --it would take forever to get anywhere some have to travel miles to the nearest shops -

    Also Cindy -- I too hope to never have to use one -- but at your age, I did not think I would need to either --
    auzie3136
    23rd Sep 2017
    5:00pm
    Maybe she should of looked before she exited the door.
    Young Simmo
    23rd Sep 2017
    5:18pm
    Spot on auzie3136, but really what else would you expect from a Polly? You have to feel sorry for them when you see what Barnnet and Co got for loosing the election.