10th Oct 2018
Baby boomers blamed for surging population
Author: Olga Galacho
Hospitals services strained

Baby boomers have been blamed for Australia’s need to keep immigration at high levels, as the debate intensifies about surging populations straining infrastructure in capital cities.

The chief executive of property developer advocate Urban Taskforce, Chris Johnson, argued in an ABC News editorial that proposals to shift newly arrived migrants out of big cities and into regional areas is flawed.

“The NSW Intergenerational Report issued a year ago indicated that 40 years ago there were seven income-earning workers for each retiree; this has now dropped to four and is projected to fall to 2.4 in 40 years' time,” Mr Johnson said.

“It is the big bulge of baby boomers who are moving out of work that signals the need for skilled migration.

“The people we need are IT experts, finance experts, creative industry workers and these people are urban dwellers.”

Mr Johnson spoke following calls by NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday that immigration to the state be halved because of excessive demands on infrastructure such as schools and hospitals.

She claimed the number of people arriving in the state had doubled in 10 years.

"I'm saying take a breather because the rates have gone through the roof," she was reported as saying by ABC News.

"Just under 10 years ago, we were welcoming about 45,000 people. Two years ago, we were welcoming 75,000 people. It's now 100,000 every single year."

Earlier this week, Victorian Opposition leader Matthew Guy promised that if he won the state election next month, he would overhaul taxes to encourage people to move to regional centres.

“Taxes on property, land and business would be put under the microscope to see if the system can be changed to divert the state's rapid population growth away from Melbourne,” the Opposition leader told The Age.

“Melbourne’s population squeeze is putting enormous stress on housing affordability, roads, public transport, schools, police and hospitals and that negatively impacts everyone’s quality of life,” Mr Guy said.

The city’s population is tipped to reach eight million by 2050, but Mr Guy said he did not believe that forecast was inevitable.

"I don't accept that. I say we need to decentralise our jobs and population throughout Victoria," he said.

But Mr Johnson argued that previous governments had tried and failed to get more growth in regional cities.

“What we need to do is not to blink at the concerns over the growing pains of Australian cities, but continue on the growth path set by our state governments,” he said.

Marcus Spiller, principal at SGS Economics and Planning, also warned against a change in immigration policy to slow population growth.

He told The Age that businesses were attracted to big cities the world over because they offered greater economic opportunities.

"A big Melbourne is not a bad Melbourne," Mr Spiller said. "Melbourne is big because it offers major productivity benefits to the state."

Mr Spiller said Melbourne's growing pains, such as congestion, were an argument for better planning and investment in infrastructure, rather than a case for putting a handbrake on growth.

"The world over, people gravitate and firms gravitate to big cities because of the productivity benefits and the opportunities they offer," he said.

An OECD report late last year credited Australia’s high migration rate with easing the burden of the pension system.

“Growth in the working-age population has been the main driver of labour force growth for most advanced economies over the past decade. Australia has seen particularly robust growth in its working-age population of 1.75 per cent each year over the past decade. Strong net migration has been a major contributor to this growth,” the report said.

Do you think the Government should cut back on immigration? Are you feeling the strain on services from the booming population? Are you concerned there soon won’t be enough taxpayers to bankroll government expenses, such as the Age Pension?

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    10th Oct 2018
    7:08pm
    Yep - bring more in as long as the economy can sustain higher immigration and provide jobs.
    Will lead to greater wealth creation for those of us already here.
    Increased house prices and demand for outputs from our corporations means higher profits, higher share prices and dividends
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    3:57am
    Already a lost cause - the 'economy' cannot sustain jobs...

    Discussion ends....
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2018
    4:00am
    Economy on full employment right now
    You’re talking doggy doo
    NOW the discussion ends , because I say so.
    Put that bottle away and do to bed
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:08pm
    You're the one talking doggy doo - unemployment and underemployment are the current curse on our economy and our alleged prosperity - for a nation to be prosperous all need to prosper.. not just a few.

    Now the discussion ends, because I say so - check in with your shrink in the morning.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Oct 2018
    11:07am
    Rightards like olbaid don't understand the difference between 'economy' and 'society'. Our quality of life is being flushed down the toilet by overpopulation.
    Captain
    11th Oct 2018
    8:54am
    We baby boomers are blamed for every I'll in the world. Now we are being blamed for being born. I must talk severely to my parents the next time I see them. Both have been deceased for many years so where I will find them is difficult to say, however I will pass on Mr Johnson's complaint.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    12:56pm
    Captain....The biggest denial on this planet is over-population. Four births each second of every day Nearly two people die each second

    People from countries that are overpopulated are fleeing to every corner of the globe to escape it only to continue to breed in their new country.

    Baby Boomers were responsible to use contraception that did overpopulate the planet.

    When all Baby Boomers are dead who will these ignorants blame? It will be too late and they will have to deal with their own mess.

    Australia coped very well with a less population but then there was not so much corruption in Government as there is now.

    http://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/
    trood
    11th Oct 2018
    1:29pm
    So true captain, people are breeding like cockroaches, look at the affect it has on the food chain resulting in factory farming just to feed the humans; it is disgraceful. Nobody thinks twice about having a 3rd or 4th+ child these days, especially the muslims.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    1:50pm
    trood....all of them have to own cars and that contributes to global warming and their children cost Australia money. France has turned into an expensive and trashy country thanks to immigration. What has migrated to Australia is doing a good job at populating the country. Australia doesn't need any more immigration.
    Spondonian
    11th Oct 2018
    2:51pm
    Why are there so many of us so called Baby Boomers ! It was all caused by past governments causing a World War . What did they expect when you send away all the young men for 6 yrs and then they all come home , of cause there was a baby boom . But for 6 yrs there was a net lose of babies being born and also millions of men were killed before they had any kids so all this evens out.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:05am
    Good comments. You will notice in every one of those 'Greatest Generation' movies and series, the characters ALL state universally that they married quickly once they got home.
    Being close to death a lot shows what is important in life, hence the Baby Boom.
    Hobbit
    11th Oct 2018
    11:02am
    “The people we need are IT experts, finance experts, creative industry workers and these people are urban dwellers.”
    None of these need to be Urban dwellers. The internet enables all of them to work remotely if only management would get over themselves and learn to manage remote staff.
    KSS
    11th Oct 2018
    12:57pm
    My thoughts exactly Hobbit. Isn't that why we got the NBN????
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    11th Oct 2018
    3:50pm
    But employers who recognize that people can work remotely hire professionals in foreign countries where pay rates are lower.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    9:11am
    And those overseas governments also lower taxes and provide subsidies to the corporations setting up the businesses there. Even free rent in some cases. We can't compete against that here in a Welfare State.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:12pm
    Again, Rae, 'we' do not exist in any 'global economy' - we exist in the Australian economy, and must perforce live by its costs of living and standards.

    The only reason this is a welfare state is because far too many are being left out of the pile of money, and far too much pork barreling is being done by politicians, such as PPL, childcare subsidies, business subsidies and so forth.

    I blame the politicians exclusively for the Big Sellout.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    7:57pm
    Yes TREBOR their policies have certainly allowed the current situation to exist.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:07am
    I't not quite as simple as I may make it sound - that's the benefit of open discussion such as here - a meeting of minds... so don't take everything I say as fixed and immutable.
    Jacka
    11th Oct 2018
    11:36am
    Chris Johnson, Urban Taskforce, yet another parasite on society making wild statements to ensure his employment. Here's a suggestion, why not try getting some young Australians into the workforce instead of sitting home on the dole, getting up to all kinds of mischief, you know what I'm talking about. Educate them, the first step would be to educate them from primary school level, let's say teach them to read, write and add and subtract, that's not a bad place to start, something that seems to be well and truly lost on anyone under, let's say generously, 30 years of age in most cases. And then for the clever ones and only the clever ones should be attending University, they should be doing courses that are best for the future of Australia and not play time as seemingly a great number of university students think it is. After all the taxpayer's of Australia are funding these so called over-educated waiters of the future. It's very difficult to repay hex fees while working at McDonald's or the Coffee Club. So if the government would like to rub the sleep from their eyes and realise they need to stipulate the courses, that are to be taken by young Australian's at Australian Universities, so Australia's future in IT, Medicine etc. is guaranteed. It seems so simple to me, perhaps I'm simple or maybe old and wise. I could go on but I think I'll take a nap instead Have a great day, Cheers Jacka. PS give me your thoughts, if you're over a certain age. PS(2) Also had a gutful of all these corporate, what's the word, let's say wankers, blaming the so called baby boomers for any problems they can't immediately find answers to to ensure their yearly bonus. Remember when there were no bonuses and if you didn't do your job to a satisfactory level you were sacked, and rightly so. How did the world get on for all those years, I'm amazed.
    AutumnOz
    11th Oct 2018
    4:45pm
    Good comments Jacka.
    Well thought out and what a lot of us have been thinking for several years.
    Thank you for voicing your opinion.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    9:18am
    Yes Jacka. I missed out on free Uni but what we had was very extensive exams and profiling and Commonwealth and State Scholarships to pay us to do certain jobs we'd been found capable of and suited to.

    There were even Bonds to work wherever for % years or you signed Contracts to go wherever for 5 years.

    All controlled and organised to work and provide the workforce with it's requirements.

    Then they privatised the whole shebang and now it's no longer working with plenty of kids owing $60 000 for a PHD in Roman History or some such interesting topic when we only need around 5 Roman Historians up at the Museum.

    Yes but blame the Boomers. Have to blame someone because taking responsibility for your own mistakes isn't politically correct these days.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:14pm
    Funny thing, Rae - several days ago I tweeted to Bro Shorten that education for genuine needs courses should be free or at least subsidies - the luxury courses should pay.

    We have way too many people with degrees nowadays, many of them in totally non-productive areas, and some in arrant nonsense.
    SGW
    11th Oct 2018
    11:43am
    Regardless of what the trolls on here say about the state pension, it is not welfare, we have paid for it with extra taxation contributions for over 100 years and it is a right and should be given to everybody regardless of income or assets. That said pensioners should be allowed to work and earn extra income, pensioners would have more disposable income to put into the economy and the government would get the benefit of extra taxation income, Do i think it will happen. NO. and it doesn't matter who is in government.
    sunnyOz
    11th Oct 2018
    11:54am
    Totally agree... I remember ever so clearly my induction at my first 'big girl' job when I was 17, and this being clearly explained to me.
    And as for the 'generous' amount of being able to earn $250 per f/n - you are wacked tax of $94 per f/n. So only a gain of $78 a week. I get more than that in doing odd jobs - looking after sick school kids, baby sitting, dog minding, dog walking. Did an odd urgent dog mind after surgery last week - owner was happy to pay me $200 for the day.
    Spondonian
    11th Oct 2018
    6:36pm
    Absolutly agree age pension is a right . When I emigrated here 32 yrs ago I was told I would get an age pension at 65yrs , but it was pointed out that it really was'nt enough to live off so was advised to save to build up enough to add to the pension . This I did for 28yrs working 60 / 70hr weeks to build up for a good retirement . The bloody mongrols in parliament then changed the rules so now I dont get a pension and I live off my savings at no better than having nothing but a pension . They dont change any rules to cut their pensions if they have heaps of money in the bank .
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    6:39pm
    It's not a right

    If it's a right how come I don't get one ???
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:02am
    You're a self-made man, diablo - thus saving the Almighty from a terrible burden of guilt and responsibility....

    Sorry, son - but you just don't qualify - after all - you claim heaps.....

    That last comment sounds familiar..... keep paying your taxes, son, you need to support your betters.......
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:04am
    Spondonian those rule changes are already causing angst as the current retirees take the money to spend up so they can get a pension which as they rightly believe was "promised".

    All their lives they've been told work hard, pay your taxes, don't worry the pay isn't so terrific because we'll look after you when you retire.

    A great many are now ensuring that the promise is kept one way or another.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:15pm
    Go get 'em, Rae!!
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    8:02pm
    I'm so cross I'm considering entering the Senate race as an Independent TREBOR. Lot's of people know me and I'd have no trouble getting those recommendation nor the $2000 fee.

    In all my life I've never seen a worse Government nor a Worse Opposition.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:08am
    Again a meeting of minds - I'm considering the same.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:10am
    Might have to vote for you - I'm actually a very quiet and sensitive man.. not a wimp or a pussy or a sheila in disguise - just what I say. Anyone who knows me knows I'm no wimp or pussy.
    maelcolium
    11th Oct 2018
    11:48am
    So immigration is being used to fill gaps in Australia's skilled workforce - is that the premise of this seriously flawed report. I call bullshit. There are one million unemployed and a further million or so under employed so there is a large pool of idle workforce for employers to choose from, to train and to encourage into these skill gaps.
    The reality is that employers want a quick fix without investing in their workforces. The so called free trade agreements permit immigration for working on their projects in the name of foreign investment - cough! The Universities are crammed with foreign students who are displacing local students and bringing in their families while they study and of course buying up real estate while they are here - try that one in China!
    And for what? Oh, because it keeps the economic engine firing for the benefit of those people who maybe have shares in these parasitic employers or happily watch their material wealth in their properties increase while young and lower income groups struggle to put a roof over their heads. And tis is touted as good economic "groaf" by our illiterate Pentacostal PM who sees no problem with promoting gambling on our cultural icons. And the bloody ALP are no different with their open borders policy supported by their Asian donors while we the real people are frustrated by the lunatic ideas put forward as economic policy. And these clowns wonder why the independents are giving them a kicking at the ballot box.
    This month's prize goes to that fast talking fool Tudge who thinks he can force immigrants into regional areas where there are no jobs, no social support networks for these people. Sure, a refugee languishing on Nauru may jump at the chance but I doubt those people touted as filling our so called skills gap would have any interest and by the way, who is going to police who stays in these regional areas. Does this mean people will have to carry indentity papers to prove where they are permitted to be at any time.
    Lets call it for what it is - lazy politics!!!! To keep the economy growing politicians want to stuff the place with bodies because it provides a quick fix to the economic cycle which matches the political cycle of election and re-election and to hell with the social costs. Well people, you can say screw them and vote independent at any election to send the message that their jobs are not safe unless they look after Australians first.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    10:53pm
    The country is being flooded by young Asians and Indians. That’s not multicultural when they have become the majority. Australia did much better when it was less populated.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:08am
    It is bullshit, mael - the 'governments' of this nation have progressively reduced the 'skills' training for this nation, and have then decreed that we 'need' to import skilled people...

    check this list....

    https://www.workvisalawyers.com.au/resources/occupation-lists/subclasses-457-186.html

    Yup - we are soooooo short of those kinds of skills.... yet unemployment rages among graduates....
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:17pm
    I, for instance, know some very good pilots who make do by teaching at flying schools... yet The Guv wants to import some ....do we really need to import hospitality workers... nurses... mining engineers.. you name it????
    sunnyOz
    11th Oct 2018
    11:49am
    WHY? Because we are not dying soon enough?
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    1:02pm
    sunnyOz....We are dying soon enough.....• 250 births each minute • 105 people die each minute....The real problem is too many are being born. This can easily be prevented with the use of contraception but there are selfish people around that want to breed like rabbits for religion and taking over the world reasons.

    http://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:09am
    Correct, jackie.....
    Sandygirl
    11th Oct 2018
    12:03pm
    Wasn't mentioned in statement about Baby Boomers the thousand of hours they do in unpaid voluntary work in councils and various other organisations
    Triss
    11th Oct 2018
    12:43pm
    Yes, Sandygirl,the University of Adelaide assessed that older Australians [65 +] contribute the highest number of volunteer hours of any other age group. The study judged the economic value to be be $200 billion.
    Certainly blasts Government and Media insistance of retirees being greedy welfare beneficiaries who are a drain on taxpayers right out of the water.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    1:52pm
    Sandygirl...Volunteering to help refugees is taken for granted.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:10am
    Or the 100+ hours per week they sometimes worked....
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:08am
    Do the new Indian and Asian migrants volunteer? My understanding is the cultural differences mean they don't but I might be wrong.

    Perhaps if so many weren't just giving their labour away for whatever reasons then more young people would have jobs.
    margie
    11th Oct 2018
    12:08pm
    The big pity in all this garbage spoken about migrants is that it is not skilled migrants coming in, it's the crowd rushing to sign up for Centrelink benefits and who will never work. Then we have the baby producers clamouring for their baby bonus for the 5th, 6th and so on child. For pity's sake, if you can't afford children, don't have them or at least don't have so many. I'm amazed how we managed to bring up children, fairly decently with out that bonus. The people already here are struggling to buy a home and pay their utilities, so how can bringing in more possibly be sustainable?
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    1:54pm
    margie...all these so called skilled workers from overseas are a joke. Dumbing down courses for our international students is disgusting and does not produce good workers too. Have a look at the Aged Care industries they are a great example.
    Rosret
    11th Oct 2018
    3:27pm
    Margie you have it the wrong way around. They are having 5 and 6 kids because of the baby bonus. They are starting very young and the idea is that within just a few generations they will have a dominant religious culture. It's not a random individual desire - its a plan.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    10:56pm
    Roster.. The Government should stop paying people to have children.
    jaycee1
    12th Oct 2018
    12:04pm
    The government should only pay an allowance for 2 kids - which means the parents are only replacing themselves. If they want more then they should be the ones to support them, not the rest of Australia.
    Many years ago Canada used to have a policy where they looked at the types of work that had shortages, then at the year before's deaths and births, subtracted one from the other and that was the ONLY immigrants that were allowed into the country. If they had more births than deaths then they had a set number of immigrants that could come in i.e 10,000. That way they kept control on population numbers. They also did not have family reunions. Why is Australia letting in family member who will never work - don't say they have to be sponsored , yes they do to start with, but once here it is very, very easy for them to use other peoples medicare cards etc.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:20pm
    Yes - Centrelink money is their basic pay for entering and living in Australia now..... anything else you make is just icing on the top of your perpetual security net...

    Isn't Australia a great and generous country?

    I've said before we need to shut and lock the gates - this country cannot support endless millions of people, and needs to begin to view itself as Lifeboat Australia with limited space for survivors of the looming holocaust of overpopulation.

    We cannot save the world by destroying our own home.... sounds tough, but that's just how it is.
    Harrie
    11th Oct 2018
    12:53pm
    So baby boomers being blamed again. Give us a break! Did we not help pay for pensioners when we were working for 40-50 years. Are we not also funding our own retirement in many cases and also still funding our children because they want it all now. On and on it goes, perhaps if we were not pushed out of employment because we were older, we may still be working and paying even more taxes. We did the hard yards now it's up to the next generations to do likewise.
    Triss
    11th Oct 2018
    1:09pm
    The baby boomers also paid for the corrupt pensions of politicians, Harrie.
    KSS
    11th Oct 2018
    1:11pm
    "Did we not help pay for pensioners when we were working for 40-50 years"

    Well yes but that was paying for the generations ahead of you. And 7 people were paying per retiree. Now only 4 are paying for each retiree. That means those 4 have to pay more each than the previous 7 ever did. And there are more to pay for as well.

    "still funding our children because they want it all now."

    Well that one is easy. STOP funding your children. Make them work and save for what they want as no doubt you did!

    "We did the hard yards now it's up to the next generations to do likewise."

    Well that's true but they are YOUR kids, so what did you teach them? Work hard, save hard, earn the things you want? Or did you just hand over everything they wanted and wonder why now they are insecure, unresilient snowflakes with a degree in whinging?
    Triss
    11th Oct 2018
    1:13pm
    How many people are paying for each ex politician's pension, KSS?
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    1:58pm
    Baby Boomers paid for their own children...they didn't receive government funding to have children and paid for private child care unlike today's parents. They bleat about the cost of children when they have chosen to bring them into the world. They can't even discipline them properly.
    KSS
    11th Oct 2018
    2:42pm
    Well lets see (and these are very rough figures):

    Since Federation in 1901 there have been 44 House of Reps elections and 42 Senate elections. Assume that the actual numbers of people was the same each election (they weren't and they have increased over time to the present levels of 150 Reps and 76 Sen - and they weren't all the same people and some people were there for years) then simple maths tells us there would be a maximum 6384 previous and currently serving MP and Senators. There would be fewer actual numbers because some people are elected multiple times etc etc. And just for good measure, there are currently 8 living past Prime Ministers in those numbers!

    There are currently over 2.9 MILLION (in 2013) claiming the age pension at some level and this does not include those on disability pensions or other welfare such as Newstart. AND GROWING! There are currently over 3.8 million people over 65 in Australia

    Rather pales into insignificance the MPs super right?
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:11am
    Never even thought about it when my seniors retired - they received their entitled pension... nothing to discuss..
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:16am
    KSS - so now we, the retirees, are responsible for the lower rate of people employed meaningfully and paying taxes, so as to provide for the bills falling due?

    Sometimes you bottom liners really make me laugh.....

    You want to change this? Generate REAL full employment, ensure full taxation on incomes for all and not just the PAYE people, and guarantee that contributions to retirement funding are fully preserved.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:18am
    Yes TREBOR happy for tax cuts after tax cuts and the sale of everything we owned that made any money, then change pension rules to ensure Superannuation no longer works as it should and with 3.8 million all trying to get the reliability and generous Aged Pension and entitlements as they don't want the hassle of continuing to make income themselves.

    Deliberate stupidity or just plain old fashioned stupidity through ignorance of consequences.

    Yes people once again paying taxes and proper jobs not unpaid internships, unemployed work for the dole, gigs, and all that free volunteering going on. And the Visa workers by the million poorly paid out on the farms. The latest trade agreement ensures we'll have slave labourers here brought in by foreign corporations.

    Strange world where slavery and fascism is suddenly more desirable to many than a few damn Unions.
    jaycee1
    12th Oct 2018
    12:15pm
    Due to an accident I was pushed into retirement. On returning to work after my accident I applied to work 4 days a week - a transition to retirement, which is meant to be available to all for up to 2 years before retiring age. Was knocked back as they said the job was full on and needed someone there full time. I agree is was a very busy place BUT each Monday was quieter than any other day - there was someone willing and able to work that day for me and any work left over from Monday I could quite easily have caught it up during the rest of the week [worked a 9 day fortnight as it was, so was off every 2nd Monday anyway]. After 6 months struggling as soon as my birthday came round handed in my notice and left 4 weeks later. Have been told by numerous people that the standard of service has deteriorated.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:34am
    I wonder if the 'government' realises that in effectively destroying 'organised labour', they have also reduced their own pool of potential PAYE taxpayers - the mainstay of taxation. The moment everyone becomes a 'contractor' etc with 'their own business' - they have all the lurks and perks without necessarily earning any more income.... so clearly PAYE goes down the drains, along with the huge loss from vast numbers once organised into PAYE positions within industry...

    Unions/management at that time wee a kind of symbiosis, and actually, in some ways, worked towards an organised and regulated work force....

    Cannot train fools....
    Rae
    13th Oct 2018
    11:58am
    And Superannuationwith it TREBOR as contractors do not have to make 9.5% payments into funds. I think perhaps the funds are suffering as well as contract work increases and wages fall.
    Old Geezer
    11th Oct 2018
    2:28pm
    The way Labor is wanting to spend money education our kids they will be so well educated that there will be no one available to wipe the oldies bums so we will have to import workers form overseas to do it instead.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    11:00pm
    Have at most of the private school children. The are all Asian and Indian descendants. They will do Well with or without funding because they are clever.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:18am
    Good thinking apart from the 'Labor did it' nonsense, OG...

    We'll train you yet....
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:30am
    The Indian and Asian community band in families to get ahead. They are not concerned with others only their own progress and self service. Australia will be a very different place in the future. These people would be helping their own communities if they really cared instead of carving out prosperous futures for themselves in another country.

    Those promoting the helping of the wealthy foreigners to immigrate here have no idea of what they have unleashed.

    I hope the warm fuzzies they feel helps then because if their descendants are ever considered lower caste there will be no good feelings left.

    All this helping overseas rich people at the expense of our own people is quite treasonous if you look at the consequences happening now.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:24pm
    Too true, Rae... sadly for this Poor Fellow, My Country...
    floss
    11th Oct 2018
    2:34pm
    Stop immigration if global warming is a problem and I am sure it is more people more stress on our country.Lack of water will kill this country more people more water use simple.Only greed justifies uncontrolled population growth.
    Rosret
    11th Oct 2018
    3:29pm
    Yes.
    Jtee
    11th Oct 2018
    8:58pm
    Agreed. Water is a major issue in this huge country.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    11:19pm
    Definitely even the farmers are admitting global warming is a problem. The only ones in denial is ScoMo. He believes in Noah’s Ark but not global warming.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:19am
    Have to agree, floss - over-population is a very real issue - and this nation can only sustain so many people.

    We don't need any more right now....
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:25pm
    "ScoMo. He believes in Noah’s Ark but not global warming"

    ROFL.....
    floss
    11th Oct 2018
    2:41pm
    So immigrants never age , magic. The greedy comment from olbaid just about sums up the problem.
    Old Geezer
    11th Oct 2018
    2:50pm
    Floss that's how our society works so it can pay those on welfare.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    3:33pm
    Greedy comment ?

    Aren't you the ungrateful one . These people are paying for your welfare, and helping those with super , property and share investments beef up their retirement savings
    Jtee
    11th Oct 2018
    9:00pm
    Unless they die earlier, all of those immigrants. will get old enough to want an aged pension. What does the country do then? Keep everyone working until they drop
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:21am
    Are you and OG paying the 'welfare' for all those new immigrants who have no job, etc?

    diablo - you need to wake up some time this century....
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:27pm
    Be far better served employing your own first and paying proper rates of pay so proper income tax is levied.... rather than hiding cash in business ventures, the black dollar exchange economy, and funny books...
    Charlie
    11th Oct 2018
    2:42pm
    How stupid, how can this be the fault of the baby boomers. Did they control their own conception and birth. I'm good but I not that good.

    Gee they are all retired, but look to the the organizations that are kicking them out of the workforce
    KSS
    11th Oct 2018
    2:45pm
    Or is it because we all get reincarnated so make multiple claims?
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:32pm
    Some do, KSS - Rajnit Singh and Ranjit Singh both claim UB - and one of them has a taxi licence, but gee - they look so similar...

    Mohamed and Mahomed El Rancid are the same... except both their wives take in their kids at the same time in two different places and both get home childcare money...

    Great country to immigrate to, Australia - so many business opportunities for the Mediterraneo business type.... and the sub-continental.... no wonder they all want to flock here.... pick up your social security as a baseline salary, get a business and/or a job, get a home childcare or school business going and .. my god, how the money rolls in!! Throw in a CTP claim for Mama's neck in a one car crash, and Allah's yer uncle and you can own ten houses in a week!!

    Wonderful country for the entrepreneurial type....
    Cowboy Jim
    12th Oct 2018
    3:14pm
    TREBOR - you absolutely say it how it is in Australia - the US has the same problem
    with their Taco heads.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:21am
    Don't forget what Rae said above - our educational institutions cater for the wealthy from overseas (Asia principally), and they then stay here rather than going back 'home' to be a benefit to their own nation and people.... money is far better here.

    This is another factor in changing the Australian demographic landscape, and not necessarily in a direction which most Australians wish.

    On a personal level, I get along famously with my lady doctor from Sri Lanka (old chauvinist racist me LMAO) - her family is middle class - teachers etc - so not exactly dirt poor. She bulk bills as well.... meaning the money here is good enough without excessive billing.

    I have zero argument with as a person or as a professional - but I have serious concerns that our own local homegrown medical professionals are forced to compete with the greed of universities in drawing full fee foreign students, as well as the fact that many of those imported students have a leg-up through free education at 'home' first, and often only have to do, and pay for, a remedial course to fit Australian standards - as medicine. Homegrowns have to spend the full seven plus years at full cost, which is not a good look for what is becoming a rather silly nation right here.

    That's why I tweeted Comrade Shorten over the issue of 'core' study strands and subsidies/free fees (blood old Commo me - funny for anyone to even consider that).
    Rosret
    11th Oct 2018
    3:20pm
    Always good to blame the baby boomers.

    We wanted peace and not war - so now there is a population explosion.
    We recognised there was a population explosion in the 1970s and reduced our birth rate to 2.3 children.
    We wanted females to be able to work so the result meant they had to look after their children and their children's children because everyone now has to go to work.
    We all wanted big houses and now only a select few can afford them at all.

    I would say a few baby boomers got very greedy and made sure the rest paid the price. Are these greedy people the baby boomers though or the inbetweeners. The ones between the war generation and the baby boomers and they next set of inbetweeners - the ones between the baby boomer's children and their children. i.e. the ones who never go to war but are happy to send others.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:22am
    Hmmmm ... just hmmmm...
    Illuminati
    11th Oct 2018
    3:23pm
    Bringing in people to pay the taxes to sustain the baby boomers in retirement is flawed. What then happens when the new arrivals retire? Do we bring in even more? This so called solution simply kicks the can down the road but offers no solution. One day we will need to go through some pain to push through the population bulge and we are simply shifting this burden to our grand children.
    Rosret
    11th Oct 2018
    3:39pm
    Sadly, I think on a global scale the world population has reached a very precarious pinnacle.
    We are not the only country suffering severe drought at the moment. While we, in towns, live a comfortable life the impact can be ignored. Yet ABC Landline says our wheat yield is the lowest it has been since 1946 when we had a population of 7.6m - and still no one in Parliament seems to have woken up. - not sure they are all baby boomers.
    jackie
    12th Oct 2018
    8:34am
    Rosret..They can’t be BabyBoomers.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:49am
    Very few decision makers are Baby Boomers now and it sure shows. Just listening to a young politician argue the sensible policy of storing our fuel supplies in Singapore gives the game away. They have no idea of history or any common sense either.

    11th Oct 2018
    3:26pm
    No one is blaming baby boomers.

    All he's saying is that the aging population requires migrants to take up jobs and pay taxes

    But instead of moving migrants to regional centers, it would be better for government to make it mandatory for those on full or part pensions to move or be denied the pension payments

    OAP's can live better on the pension in regional areas where rents are cheap and free up housing for those who work and pay tax
    Rosret
    11th Oct 2018
    3:43pm
    Alternative, our children could be offered better opportunities and not be a burden on the welfare system.
    Immigration is a cheap way of having instant labor without having to educate them. It's only a short term fix until they too become consumers and not producers.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    3:46pm
    Our children have fantastic opportunities .
    Great schooling and cheap University fees.

    We still need more people because of our aging population. On the other hand if we had less people on welfare, we wouldnt need as many immigrants

    So the answer to reduced immigration is to encourage more retirees to be fully self funded and not rely on taxpayers. We will need less taxpayers then
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    11th Oct 2018
    3:51pm
    And the STUPID government continues to make being a pensioner in retirement more and more appealing and bash self-funded retirees. Great way to have more of them - by removing all the rewards and incentives! Pensioner numbers will skyrocket if franking credits are abolished for SFRs but not pensioners.
    Triss
    11th Oct 2018
    5:34pm
    There’s a lack of logic in your comment, Olbaid. If you move elderly from their homes you move them from the free support and care of family therefore they will be forced to access government aid which will probably add up to the same amount as their original pension.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    5:43pm
    No Triss - that's just you coming up with a lame excuse for not wanting to move , and instead keep asking for bigger handouts
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    11:07pm
    Ok aid...Have a look at how many older Chinese have come here and are on an Aged Pension. Many can’t even speak English. Then there are the temporary visa holders on welfare between jobs. The Governments wants them here so that it can drive up the cost of living and lower wages for the rest.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:23am
    Great schooling and cheap University fees.....and no jobs......
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:26am
    But instead of moving migrants to regional centers, it would be better for government to make it mandatory for those on full or part pensions to move or be denied the pension payments..

    Christ you're easy meat, son.. grow up and get a real job. I don't even have to critique that insanity you posted.... your nonsense speaks for itself....

    Go to hell, diablo!!

    **ROFL emoticon implied**

    I love the way you entertain the audience here....
    floss
    11th Oct 2018
    4:25pm
    For your information allbad I am a fully self supported retiree with top health cover and your still greedy.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    4:35pm
    Aah - a champagne socialist. I bet you were a public servant - got your salary (actually welfare ) from hardworking taxpayers
    Triss
    11th Oct 2018
    5:36pm
    You’re a sore loser, olbaid.
    roy
    11th Oct 2018
    6:17pm
    Have to agree with olbaid and by the way, where is MICK today, he usually has a lot to say or too much?
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2018
    6:38pm
    Mick's bunkered down with Herr Shorten, planning the revolution
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:28am
    diablo is a kid with a computer.. nothing more... ignore him.

    His nonsense is so familiar.......
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:59am
    Hope someone is working on getting water out to drought areas before they have to start drinking river water and run the risk of Cholera outbreaks. Judging by the latest LNP brain fart I doubt it as they have plans to send the few thousands they fly in every day out there to add to the problem. Don't fix anything just Kill Bill and the Unions and all will be well.

    Don't send fresh water. Way too hard to figure that one out.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:37pm
    Every time someone moots a scheme to divert masses of water back across the mountains from the big rivers of the East Coast, nobody wants to look at a kind of New Snowies Scheme...

    My uncle was a copper down there while it was on, BTW... on St Patrick's day all twelve Irishmen in the gangs slept it off in the cells.... hilarious.... no charges... also many of the offspring of those migrants became very successful.... work did make them free...
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    8:16pm
    I'm just talking Spring Water in those 10 L containers that the farmers and small town folk need now the tanks are dry. Dubbo had none last week at all.

    With all this talk the least they could do is ask the Supermarkets to stock some if they aren't going to provide water.

    Cholera is a real issue once again if the drought goes on and on.

    It's okay to wash and bathe in creek or bore water but drinking it ids a bit of a risk. Even supplying solar stills would be a help but so far nothing from this loopy Government.

    A couple of my Uncles worked on the Snowy. The tales were hilarious.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:25am
    Ah - drinking water.. get your point, Rae.

    Maybe we could organise a drinking water run... the big supermarkets often have water in bottles cheap.... collect and send.
    Cowboy Jim
    11th Oct 2018
    5:42pm
    OK when everything is said and done and people find there are too many of us why then aren't we allowed to call it quits when we had enough without having to fly to Switzerland like the bloke on TV (104 years old). He had to go there for his wish to go with dignity to be realised. We give our pets a better good bye.
    roy
    11th Oct 2018
    8:12pm
    Where's MICK?
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:29am
    Chewing your Lib views, roy..... he doesn't even need to respond to such nonsense....

    Are you guys a little teenage group that sits in your mama's basements and links up for trolling?

    Do you really think 'old people' are so stupid?

    Get a job....
    Chris B T
    11th Oct 2018
    8:14pm
    What is wrong with Training Home Grown To Do Any Job Required, no need to import skilled or semi skilled workers.
    If you haven't noticed each year there are Thousands of School Leavers In Search of Jobs or Further education. Use The Resource That is available rather than let them down with little or no hope finding a job. ( welfare isn't a career option ).
    Sad, Sad situation.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:32am
    Spot on - does anyone really think we 'need' nurses from Offshore? Or any of the others on the list

    https://www.workvisalawyers.com.au/resources/occupation-lists/subclasses-457-186.html

    Get back to me O Ye Trolls - and tell me which of these we NEED......

    I've got a few years yet.... I can wait until you actually answer with factual evidence...

    Cowards - I KNOW you won't!
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    10:54am
    Nurses trained on wards with one day of course work a week while being paid a living wage worked. The only reason they changed it was so private education facilities could make money.

    Same with apprenticeships for needed workers.

    Breaking a system that worked well seems to be the aim purely to control and keep incomes low so no average worker can ever get ahead.
    jaycee1
    12th Oct 2018
    12:26pm
    I agree Rae. When nurses worked on the ward you had a level of care that was second to none. Now, these university trained nurses don't want to dirty their hands. Bring a bed pan / hold a sick bag, oh no " I went to university you know, WE don't do that kind of thing" And don't say it doesn't happen because yes it does! Have had it said to me many times by these crap, uneducated nurses.
    Rae
    12th Oct 2018
    8:20pm
    Yes jaycee I tried nursing for a few months after year 12 but wasn't cut out for it. My jobs included scrubbing floors, disinfecting anything that didn't move and doing what I was told.
    Keeping records, changing beds etc etc. Not only helping the Sisters but learning discipline and hygiene.

    The money I made helped a lot when I left and went off to Uni.
    TREBOR
    13th Oct 2018
    5:27am
    Like my sis-in-law and the once LOML, they both gave up nursing for those same reasons, Rae. Just a housemaid for that first year.
    Rae
    13th Oct 2018
    12:04pm
    Yes but we didn't have superbugs all over the hospitals then either TREBOR. You could have eaten off those floors.
    MICK
    11th Oct 2018
    10:05pm
    One has to smile when the boomer generation are blamed for the next ill of the planet. I still recall genY blaming their parents for them not getting a home. And then there was this wretched government trying to push us out of our family homes. Now the next wave.
    I do not support 'immigration' in its current form as the country is being burned down to the ground to satisfy the brain dead who call for millions and millions of new citizens who we have no need of and who create a huge financial burden for all of us.
    jackie
    11th Oct 2018
    11:08pm
    Mick I agree
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    4:33am
    Mick I agree
    jaycee1
    12th Oct 2018
    12:32pm
    Agree Mick. When a country that was not fore-casted to reach 25 million till 2045 - 2050's reaches that number almost 30 years early then you know there are too many people here.
    The standard of living has dropped massively and will continue to do so. Read a book many years ago which said this would happen. If you look at the world today 99.9% of countries are unable to support themselves without another countries help. Almost NO country is self supporting any more.
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    3:57am
    Yes - we were such mad rooters that the world population exploded....
    jackie
    12th Oct 2018
    8:41am
    Speak for yourself. I used contraception.
    Cowboy Jim
    12th Oct 2018
    8:59am
    Not me TREBOR - I have remained childless - polishing my halo right now!
    TREBOR
    12th Oct 2018
    1:40pm
    Good man, Jim - my kid's mother and I did replacement - one of each..... got three grandies... that's enough...
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Oct 2018
    11:08am
    It's our traitorous politicians who are to blame for overpopulation - letting in hordes of Chinese, Indians, Muslims and others from third-world countries who breed like flies. We need ZERO IMMIGRATION and we need it NOW.
    SKRAPI
    17th Oct 2018
    9:38pm
    SO RETIREES R CAUSING LARGER POPULATIONS . THERE MUST B 2 MANY OF THEM GETTING PREGNANT .DIDN'T ANY-ONE TELL THEM OF THE PILL. iT'S THOSE RETIREMENT VILLAGES . 2 MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS .


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