7th Mar 2016

Generous pensions paid to retiring politicians

Warren Truss addressing an audience
Debbie McTaggart

Of the 22 federal politicians who have announced they will retire this year by not contesting their seats in the up-coming election, 16 are eligible for the Parliamentary Contribution Superannuation Scheme. This means that they will each receive a pension of at least $118,000 per year for the rest of their lives – with some receiving much more.

The defined benefits scheme is available to politicians elected before 2004 and costs the taxpayer $40 million per year. The latest tranche of ‘retirees’ will add $2 million to the bill.

The pension is paid at 75 per cent of the current base MPs salary of $157,500 but with allowances added for time served, 14 of the 16 eligible will have tens of thousands of dollars added to their income.

Warren Truss, Ian McFarlane and Phillip Ruddock will benefit most and will walk away with pensions of between $150,000 and $200,000. Bruce Billson, Bill Heffernan and Mal Brough will also benefit from the scheme, with Labor’s Anna Bourke, Joe Ludwig and Bernie Ripoll also taking home generous pensions.



And it gets better, with the income indexed each year. Retiring MPs are also given the option of taking half of the defined benefit as a lump sum, with a smaller annual payment. Also, for those in office before 6 March 2012 who complete the required amount of service will also receive a Life Gold Pass that entitles them to 10 business class domestic flights per year. 

Moving to Washington DC to take on the role of Australia’s Ambassador was made sweeter for Joe Hockey, who also qualified for the generous pension.

The Parliamentary Contribution Superannuation Scheme was scrapped in 2004 by John Howard. 

Read more at TheAge.com.au

 

Opinion: Stop paying excessive parliamentary pensions

The Government’s mantra for the last few years has been that the cost of providing the Age Pension is spiralling out of control – at a rate that is unsustainable. So news that 16 federal politicians will leave parliament this year each with a payment of at least $118,000 should anger those trying to live on a meagre pension of $867 per fortnight (Single, full Age Pension including supplements). 

And let’s not forget that those men and women who have served us so well in Parliament on high salaries will more than likely walk into other high paid jobs. Or at the very least, will have had plenty of time and spare cash to adequately fund their own, very comfortable, retirement. Not for them the worry of whether or not they will exceed the income and asset test and lose their Age Pension.

In just over two weeks time the Age Pension will be indexed and the Government will announce how it is committed to providing for Australia’s pensioners by delivering an increase in the pension. What rubbish. The extra $6.20 or so (based on September 2015 increase) that pensioners will see in their payments will soon be swallowed up by increased rents and utility bills. The increase is of little or no value to anyone who receives it and it’s certainly not down to the generosity of the Government.

The Parliamentary Contribution Superannuation Scheme may now be closed to new politicians but that doesn’t stop politicians, some of whose ability is questionable, taking home handsome pensions. If they had any sense of what is right, they would forego their massive payouts to help save the country the $42 million cost every year.

Do you think a pension of $118,000 is justified for retiring federal politicians? If not, what level of pension should former MPs receive? Should the Government simply stop the payments in order to help balance the books? 





COMMENTS

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MICK
7th Mar 2016
10:10am
Whilst I detest the current government attacking pensioners whilst refusing to tax multinationals, close Tax Shelters and close the superannuation rorts for the rich I have no expectation that MPs who have been in office for a long time get their pensions. Sad that these pariahs do not extend the same privilege to the rest of the nation.
It may be pertinent to introduce a sliding scale for parliamentary pensions. Not the 2 terms and you've got it for life starting day 1. That is a system organised by the pollies themselves for THEIR BENEFIT.
The whole issue about trying to screw pensioners is a scam to divert attention away from the fact that THIS GOVERNMENT WILL NOT TAX THE RICH AND THEIR BIG BUSINESS INTERESTS. That is where this issue starts and finished. We currently have rule by the rich for the rich and that is what needs to be fixed at the upcoming election.
Dotty
7th Mar 2016
10:25am
I agree entirely with you Mick on this subject which has been A mire of contention for years with Pollies taking the cream off the top when they retire with a "HUGE" income for life !
But then as you say this is a cover up over no tax on the big Corporate's that pay little or no Tax thanks to the Government whilst the poor underpaid Pensioner survive's on a meagre amout each year while the Pollie's live a life ofLuxury after retirement!
Dotty
mogo51
7th Mar 2016
11:28am
Yes Mick agree also, I have been shouting this from the tree tops for a long time. Something has to be done and quickly.
This is armed hold up without the gun!
wally
7th Mar 2016
12:04pm
Yes, the pollies have made their retirement and pension scheme a "heads I win, tails I win" situation. We may (or may not) like Mark Latham very much, but he was behind the 2004 cot off date for the more exorbitant pay outs for retiring commonwealth politicians.

But howl as much as we may about the politicians, spare a thought for the payout given to the departing boss of Woolworths. How many million was that? The bosses of the big banks, how much will they be paid when they step down?

Perhaps the only one of the big corporate bosses worth feeding is the QANTAS boss Alan Joyce. Despite all of the whining over his retrenching of employees and other cost cutting measures he instituted a couple of years ago, QANTAS is now showing a profit. Maybe Malcolm needs to by pass the horde of treasury bureaucrats and hire Alan Joyce as a consultant to identify where to cut Australia's over spending. However, if Malcolm's current inability to show political courage and make unpopular choices in government spending prior to the upcoming election is anything to go by, Australia will just continue to drift along toward the plug hole.
moke
7th Mar 2016
2:28pm
Mick when it comes to MULTI NATIONALS and Fellow Pollies the government wear dark glasses but they are certainly clear glass when it comes to the rest of us. They give you a pain in unmentionable places but what choice do we have if you do not vote you can be fined and just to scribble on the page they say you are voting for the opposition
marls
7th Mar 2016
2:45pm
moke
agree, have a look at parties like, aust liberty alliance, Pauline hanson, fortitude or any other party that is willing to put aust issues and value, and culture first
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:59pm
moke: show them we are not stupid. Vote for Independents whose preferences are not sent to either of the major parties. If that happens en masse then both sides will get the shock of their lives.....and start to change policies to get votes back.
Obvious dear Watson!
Sceptic
7th Mar 2016
3:34pm
Well done Debbie. Obviously feeding the chooks today.
SGW
13th Mar 2016
3:06pm
I Agree Mick, but i think when it comes to voting especially the senate people don't have a clue were their vote is going and always vote above the line,I NEVER vote above the line even though it takes time to mark each below the line. as for pollies pensions i started a petition on change.org to protest at what they get when they leave, why do they need a staffed office and free travel, if it's good for them it's good fair that we all get it
Old Dog
7th Mar 2016
10:27am
Regrettably there seems to be little evidence to support the argument that Mick is incorrect in his assertions that politicians of all colours have "fixed the system" to benefit themselves. Of course they have! And worse still, every one of them (I sound damn bitter, don't I) will justify it when they retire or get kicked out at an election. And for what? Driving Australia into a debt situation where we REALLY can't afford to pay them their so called entitlements.
I am almost becoming ashamed to call myself an Australian.
maxchugg
7th Mar 2016
1:29pm
I have done some sums assuming that Joe Hockey's parliamentary pension has been correctly reported as being $190,000 and also assuming that everyone lives until they are 80:
A pensioner couple owning their home and retire at 70 will collect approximately $260,000 in pension payments.
Bill O'Chee who qualified for a parliamentary pension of a tiny $45,000 per year will collect $1,620,000 over 36 years.
Joe Hockey will collect $190,000 for 30 years, producing $5,700,000.
And before anyone tells me that politicians work hard, I will add that my hypothetical pensioner was a brickie's labourer who found the last 10 years of his working life a little difficult.
Gra
7th Mar 2016
2:31pm
Good comment maxchugg. Yes, our pollies work ever so hard. It must be terribly draining figuring out (you notice I didn't say WORKING out) how they are going to sting Joe Public next. Ever so hard jetting from where ever to Canberra so they can claim their living away from home allowance while either living in a house owned by their wife or sharing a house with 3 or 4 other pollies who are also claiming the full LAFH allowance. Ever so hard sitting on their blot all day carrying on like school kids or having a nap in a quiet corner somewhere.
It is simply plain wrong that they go out on such massive pensions when all the while they try to reduce what the Age Pensioner is entitled to.
maxchugg
13th Mar 2016
11:56pm
Wally, I don't have a problem with politician's salaries, although I think their allowances are way over the top.
With regard to allowances, I would institute a review of the accommodation that the pollies currently occupy in Canberra, then build a village of units slightly above the standard of accommodation they currently use, make them available rent free, then only pay a modest daily meal allowance.
This way you could run shuttle buses on a regular basis from the village to Parliament house and halve the fleet of VIP vehicles.
Returning to the subject of salaries, some of them paid in the private sector are beyond outrageous, they are obscene.
For example, the head of Australia Post evidently draws over $4 million a year while presiding over an organisation that is going bankrupt.
Where I do have a major problem is that pollies should be like the rest of us and unable to draw on their pensions until they reach pensionable age, which would then drop from 70 to 50 overnight!
bob
7th Mar 2016
10:41am
So the story goes on.Who would expect politicians to vote for a lower salary or even join the public in the superannuation schemes we have to use.Mick has said it all,our new treasurer was soon nobbled by vested interests as soon as it looked like he might take some of the perks from the rich, and so, help balance the budget
maxchugg
7th Mar 2016
10:41am
The article does not address the real issue where Joe Hockey is an outstanding example of the main problem with parliamentary pensions.
After Joe lectured us on how we need to be lifters, not leaners, in the greatest example of hypocricy since Bill Hayden accepted the position of Governor-General, he decided that we should wait until age 70 before becoming eligible for the Age Pension. His next move was to retire at 50 on a fully indexed pension of around $190,000 p.a.for life before taking a job in the US for another quarter of a million a year on top of the pension.
The rules for parliamentary pensions should change immediately, with Parliamentarians unable to draw on their pension entitlements until they reach the pensionable age applicable to everyone else.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:44am
You are on the money. Voters should rightly be sick and tired of the double standards and hypocrisy from our political leaders. These pariahs cut sweet deals for themselves and then front the cameras lecturing us about how we are letting the country down.
Dealing with politicians is akin to dealing with feral pigs.....you know that they are going to turn on you but never when.
Chris B T
7th Mar 2016
2:54pm
Politicans should not be allowed collect a pension from a Gov position, then start new employment in another Gov position and collect another pension when done. This Concurrent Collection of Income from Tax's is MEAN SPRITTED.
The minimum age should be 60 before any collection of pension for politicans.
Age pension should be % of base politicans pension and indexed, with the same means testing.
Hobbit
7th Mar 2016
10:44am
Whatever Politicians determine is right and just for the general public should then apply to them. There should never be any reason for Politicians to receive allowances, pensions or other privileges that are not available to everybody else. If they are not prepared to 'suffer' a little then they don't really have our nation's interest as their top priority.
Troubadour
7th Mar 2016
11:34am
Couldn't have put it better. Do as you would be done by, in the words of my dad. IF we (especially pensioners) are expected to
'tighten our belts' and take cuts - so should they. It for sure will not hurt them as much as us - they are on HIGH salaries already, not on
a meagre pension.
marls
7th Mar 2016
2:48pm
hobbit
well said what good them them is also good for the workers
Jannie
7th Mar 2016
10:54am
They should be treated the same as other pensioners. My biggest annoyance with the pension is that the government looks at all of the assets but not liabilities eg a home mortgage this is not fair.
POLLIES A BIG NO TO BEING GIVEN A PENSION FAR GREATER THAN ANY OTHER PENSIONER.
marls
7th Mar 2016
2:46pm
jannie
I agree they should come under the same means test and conditions as everyone else, and see how they like it
Hairy
7th Mar 2016
10:55am
I'm agreeing with all you guys today good enough for us good enough for them.equality isn't that what it all about.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
10:57am
Why just restrict the pensions of politicians? Let's include all public servants!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:48am
Which includes you Frank?????
Scrivener
7th Mar 2016
1:18pm
Particularly the Centrelink ghouls. All power and no responsibility.
Sundays
7th Mar 2016
1:30pm
It's already happened Frank. Those old defined benefit schemes closed long ago. These days public servants contribute after tax money into accumulation funds.
Gra
7th Mar 2016
2:34pm
Poor old Frank, still living in the dark ages. Couldn't you get a guernsey in the Public Service Frank, couldn't pass the entrance exam?
Rae
7th Mar 2016
2:43pm
The defined benefits schemes ended in 1985. In any case all those public servants would have been much better off if they had invested in residential rental real estate. Not only in capital terms but in income as well. The defined benefit non concessional contributions that had to be made was a good percentage of fortnightly salary and the returns over the decades were abysmally small.

Buying negatively geared houses would have been far better, saving tax and returning much more than the piddling 3% the State funds returned for many years.

Pity the government made those contributions compulsory as they prevented many public servants from achieving real independent wealth.
marls
7th Mar 2016
2:52pm
frank
I was a public servant for many years, i retired last year not due to working to hard but i could no longer do the travel 3-4 hrs daily i am living of my super until i reach pension aged i am under the same conditions as every other tax payer.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
3:16pm
49-year-old former senator Kate Lundy retired on $148,000 a year, indexed by movements in parliamentary salaries. The implied superannuation balance is in excess of $6m.
How can we sign up to one of those schemes?
ex PS
7th Mar 2016
10:51pm
maris, I concur with you, people are quick to criticise the Public Servants but unfortunately most have very little knowledge of the actual terms and conditions of their payscales and Superannuation entitlements. Like every other Super scheme a Public Servant only gets out what they contribute pluss the profit on their investment. The taxpayer does not contribute to the scheme in any way other than to pay wages for services rendered.
Rosret
7th Mar 2016
11:02am
Politicians give up their careers for a "maybe" shot at being a parliamentarian. If they are under paid then "hello graft and corruption". We would get a similar scenario to councils where the developers seek election for their own profit. CEOs of companies earn millions not thousands. They get paid those sums, right or wrongly, because they are the best in their field. If we want the best then we need to attract the best. Before everyone here says tut tut; you too can stand for parliament, you too can seek the majority vote of your constituents, you too can be denegerated by the press, you too can have your family put under the microscope, you too can be called away from your family to live in Canberra during sitting times and very function the community requires you to attend. Its a huge sacfrice and its a job you really have to want.
roy
7th Mar 2016
11:20am
Well said Rosret, their are so so many envious people on the site, I'm beginning to think communism is on the up in Australia.
TREBOR
7th Mar 2016
11:57am
They take leave from their jobs - they don't normally give them up... and many are already Party flunkies anyway and slot straight back into the Party apparatus when they don't get elected. Most are not like the Independent candidates who are forced to take time out of life and spend their own money.

Are you suggesting they are underpaid? We are certainly not attracting the best in the field despite ongoing increases that dwarf the pay rises of ordinary Australians. Comparisons with CEOs of profit making companies are disingenuous, since most such are shareholders in the company, while government employees are not required to turn a profit. No comparison.

You no like the terms of employment - you no stand. I don't see anyone putting a gun to the heads of Party flunkies to get a sweet ride in Parliament. It is ONLY those who stand as Independents who take it on the chin over money etc.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
12:01pm
I have to agree with you TREBOR. Most politicians these days are as slimy as real estate agents. A rather despicable lot. Lies come off their tongues as though they are teflon coated. No morals. No sense of right and wrong. Just guns for hire happy to be puppets for those who stumped up the money to promote them into office. It is sickening and we deserve so much better.
*Loloften*
7th Mar 2016
6:38pm
No doubt that "back-stabbing" politics isn't nice but most have chosen it over & above their (lots of lawyers!?) qualifications so can't be too bad or perhaps they just couldn't cope with "real life." Can't recall any Politician who really knows what hard yakka is egs: smash repairer/ panel beater, lawn mower, roof restorer etc etc with their own small businesses + just barely now surviving & belittled as a "drain on society" Age Pensioners!! Have no doubt that "laughing smokin' Joe" in Washington & all his ilk for many decades really don't give a damn abt the rest of us as long as they're living in luxury @ our expense. Don't forget that Full Age Pensioners never needed to pay ANY tax 'til John Howard introduced the GST - "right off" to the wealthy re: Trust A/Cs + "off-shore" bank A/Cs.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:09am
There's a saying that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. I think we should start paying peanuts.
Frank
8th Mar 2016
9:45am
During 2009 an audit was conducted by the Australian National Audit Office on politician remuneration.
In September 2009, in response to the ANAO report, the Government set up a committee to review parliamentary entitlements.
It seems the remuneration was too low.

The tribunal issued the first Determination setting the base salary of $185,000 (previously $141,910) for Members of Parliament to take effect from 15 March 2012.

On 19 June 2012 the Tribunal determined that MPs’ base salary be increased by 3 per cent to $190, 550 from 1 July 2012.

Subsequently the Tribunal issued Determination 2013/15 Members of Parliament—base salary, additional salary for parliamentary office holders and related matters which increased parliamentarians’ base salary to $195,130.

That's a 37.5% base salary increase during 4 years of the monkey government.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1314/ParlRemEntitlements
Idontforget
7th Mar 2016
11:04am
I am sure if a 'make politicians pensions realistic' party started up they would control the Senate at the first election.
roy
7th Mar 2016
11:31am
The communists will win the next election.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:49am
The above is not from me. Likely from Liberal Party stooge Frank!
TREBOR
7th Mar 2016
11:04am
You forgot to include that Parliamentary pension is indexed for life, meaning it goes up by a certain amount due to rising costs etc...

What I see as wrong with it is that they can draw it from Day One after leaving Parliament, and get it for life, regardless of having another job or not, unlike the Noble Pensioner, who must lose some pension for working or extra income, and also has Pension included in taxable income for doing so.

Honestly - our politicians are a dismal failure in the general run, and hardly deserving of a big handout on (often early) retirement, and you see this incredible whine go up when one loses his/her seat at election, and the Party falling over itself to find the poor dear some sweet deal on top of Pension. No other organisation in the world pays sacked employees a massive pension for life or finds them another job on the organisation's purse.
thommo
7th Mar 2016
11:07am
These are the very politicians who changed the assets test in last years budget (notably Abbott and Morrison), and as a result, about a million part age pensioners will lose their part age pension as from 1.1.17. Another broken promise, and an act of betrayal and treachery, having promised at the last election that there would be no such changes to the pension, amongst other things. Abbott and Morrsion said these changes were needed to keep the age pension sustainable. What a load of BS. This is a rich country and it must pay it's pensioners a decent and respectful pension, and this country can afford it. If it can't, then these politicians must not be getting these overly generous handouts. Abbott himself will be getting more than $300K per year when he retires, and he had the hide to call us liquid asset millionaires.
What hypocrites.
Abbot insulted and denigrated them by calling them "liquid asset millionaires", when they are no such thing. That money has to sustain them and their families for the rest of their lives. No fully indexed life long pension of $118K for them.
Yet these politicians who are retiring will receive $118K plus per year, fully indexed, for the rest of their lives.
Not so the poor age pensioner, who is at the mercy of these morons.
Just another reason why this mob will be kicked out of government come the next election.
roy
7th Mar 2016
11:30am
So if the ALP get in, then Australia will be a land flowing with milk and honey, Utopia.
Get realistic, if that creature Bill Shorten gets in then we are finished or even more in debt, borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend, we see it with a every Labour Gov't the world over.
You talk about "this mob", what pension is Juliar Gillard getting and Krudd, he really needs a pension paid by us doesn't he, what's his missus worth? They are real champagne socialists, yuk yuk yuk.
They make real socialists/labourites turn in their graves.
Look at the family money behind Bill Shorten,I expect he will refuse to take a pension when he retires!!!!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:51am
The above post is not from me thommo. Frank the Liberal Party stooge is at it again.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
12:25pm
I am unhappy that my boss tony was kicked out. I intend to keep posting Labor trash in the hope that readers believe me....but I know people will see through my lies the same as they have with the
government I am trying to get reelected.
It is so unfair that people expect fairness when we are finding it harder and harder to attract election funding from the big end of town. Woe is me.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
1:03pm
mick, stop playing the childish game of posting under my name. I am trying to build a reputation for well thought out remarks which are thought provoking and add some logic to the discussion. :)
You, on the other hand, are trying to discredit me in the most childish way. If you persist I will see you in the meeting room and we can exchange bold uppercase.
thommo
7th Mar 2016
1:44pm
Mick and Frank are obviously the one and same person, and both Liberal stooges.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
2:29pm
Funny.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
3:19pm
That's right thommo. they are.
HS
7th Mar 2016
4:34pm
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is run by smart people putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain
TREBOR
7th Mar 2016
6:28pm
Sign the petition to LC banning use of the same ID name.....

Thank god there's only one Trebor....
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:15pm
That's right thommo.
margie
7th Mar 2016
11:13am
This just shows (in case we hadn't been aware) the complete disdain the Government of all sides have for the taxpayer. And the colossal cheek to blame the elderly for (well .. getting elderly) and thinking they may have a few years of rest and enjoyment at the end of a (in most cases) a lifetime of 9 to 5 drudgery. Not for us the swanning around in first class travel, dinner at 5 star restaurants, swanky hotels, no all we ask is some return for the years of giving with the parasites taking, taking and then coming after us again in case they missed a bit. Shameful way to treat your fellow countrymen and women.
TREBOR
7th Mar 2016
6:29pm
.. and putting up with every stupid policy these clowns come up with that disadvantages us in one way or another..... and taking all the hits when they fork the economy......
Pamiea
7th Mar 2016
11:16am
Absolutely stop all payments and any other entitlenents to retiring politicians. IT IS A RORT! If they havent saved enough by the time they retire. Tough titties. Put them on the aged pension if they are old enough and if not let them find other jobs like we have had to do. Also stop all payments to retiring judges and other Commonwealth retired employees. Let them live off their superannuation.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:55am
The parliamentary remuneration system needs to be fixed so that politicians of all persuasion are forced to link their own perks to that of citizens in the rest of the nation. The pariahs from all sides of politics need to be stopped but only the ballot box can achieve this. Voters need to vote out both sides and show their disdain by voting in candidates who have not been advertised widely by the big end of town. People who vote for those candidates are mostly mugs because they have been done over. The current government's win at the last election is the perfect example of big bucks winning the day. You get what you get.
Toddy
7th Mar 2016
11:55am
I think that all superannuation...including that of the politicians,should be treated equally. They hide behind the constitution. Well,why is our superannuation not in the constitution where it cannot be fiddled with? If they want to tax the interest on our earnings within the fund , will they also offset the losses so that we can build on that asset and hopefully continue to live as self funded retirees?
Most people have worked hard in their careers,tolerated periods away from home and although contributing massively to society,do not walk away with the same perks etc when they retire? We remain at the whim of whichever government is in power? Politicians sleep peacefully...............
MICK
7th Mar 2016
11:57am
True.

7th Mar 2016
12:06pm
These selfish porcine politicians live in a world of their own. One governed by the laws they propose and pass, by the rules they rewrite and rush to ratify. They live in an insular world which is blind to that of they people they pretend to work for. Their only interest once they get into office is to stay there, make as few waves as possible whilst doing the minimum of any type of work in their position description, get re-elected, and continue to collect their salary, which is really thief as their are taking money under false pretences. If for one millisecond any of you reading this think their actions, behaviour, or present secular status can be changed in any way, shape, or form to resemble parity of renumeration with the average worker/taxpayer you, too, are not living in a world of reality. There is NOTHING that can be done to change these inequitable circumstances of grossly overpaid politicians' salaries and retirement entitlements. This is an unjust reality of government gluttony which is inherent and endemic in our society and is a global, sinful phenomenon.
HS
7th Mar 2016
4:36pm
There needs to be some sort of public psychological accounting of politicians similar to financial disclosures. It would be nice to know which politicians are psychopaths and sociopaths.”
Trev
7th Mar 2016
1:02pm
Why does the media make so much of this when they do not do anything worthwhile and really take it up with some real gusto and get the public involved. Yes I do agree the Politicians go to Parliment to make a difference ( some do) but so do all workers who do not get "FAT PENSIONS". To add salt to the wounds they go and get fat paid jobs thereafter whether in Govt or the Corporate areana. Just look at the recent retirees!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:36pm
The media is controlled/owned by big business. Big business is controlled by wealthy individuals. This government is an arm of big business as well.
Join the dots!
Supernan
7th Mar 2016
1:07pm
Then they have the nerve to call Aged Pensioners a burden on the Nation ! !
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:37pm
It's called intimidation. And of course it takes focus off all the other issues which are a damnation of this government.
OnlyGenuineRainey
7th Mar 2016
1:09pm
I'm getting very tired of this argument that we need to pay politicians huge salaries and benefits to get capable people. We DON'T get capable people. The economy is in a mess. Society is discontent. There are countless cases of illogical laws causing major problems. We are NOT getting value. And as for comparing with CEO salaries - the salaries CEOs are being paid are unjustifiable by any standard, especially since when they fail dismally they are paid millions to leave. There are no grounds for suggesting politicians should be paid more because they can earn more in the private sector.

Yes, there's potential for corruption if people in power aren't paid enough. How much is enough to stop corruption? Not the millions they are getting. I don't think you can ever stop corruption if a person is inclined to be dishonest or unethical. Conversely, ethical people are not corrupt, no matter how inadequate the reward for honest work.

Leaders should lead. That means that they should NEVER ask followers to make sacrifices they, themselves, didn't make first. We don't have leaders. We have lying leaches who are sucking the blood out of the nation. And it's way past time their obscene pensions were stopped entirely and they were forced to accept the same pension terms they impose on others - retirement at 70 and a means tested age pension if they qualify. No other entitlement, PERIOD.
Scrivener
7th Mar 2016
1:17pm
This is a perfectly written speech for an Independent at the next election. I wonder! Who will take it up?
Excellent.
Toddy
7th Mar 2016
2:12pm
I agree completely. Well said!
HS
7th Mar 2016
4:44pm
Well said Rainey, we all feel that way too. So how do we form 'The Australian United Pensioner's Party'?
ex PS
7th Mar 2016
10:59pm
There is only potential for corruption if people are dishonest. If you are dishonest you should not have any job let alone a political position.
Pretty much why we need to prosicute Union officials that take bribes and company heads that give them.
Bring on TAUPP.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:16am
HS (and others), I'm working on a plan to get a white paper written to submit to government and the Human Rights Commission protesting illegal discrimination against retirees in Australia. It will include reference to the fact that while politicians are demanding millions from the public purse, they are declaring retirees a burden and claiming the age pension is ''unaffordable''.

I'm looking for supporters who will sign an accompanying petition, and for people to submit ideas, facts, articles, etc. that might assist in the composition of the paper. Interested?
Zulu
7th Mar 2016
1:10pm
What I don't understand is why the politicians should operate on any scheme other than that available to us , the general public. They earn a wage for doing a job and from that wage they should make contriburions to a fund, in line with the regulations applicable to us and teceive the standard employer contribution as we do. No deals, no fixed lifetime pensions just a normal market driven pension like others, with age pension benefits being subject to the same neans and asstt test as for others - namely us folk who paid their wages in the first place!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
3:01pm
Because we allow them to by not voting them out. Not rocket science.
Scrivener
7th Mar 2016
1:12pm
Glad I read this article before breakfast. I hate vomiting with a full stomach. We saw what happened in France - bring on the revolution. Alice in Wonderland got it right - "Orf with their heads."
Trev
7th Mar 2016
1:20pm
WE all get one vote! why do we have seperate systems for retirees. Lets make our vote count! send your complaint to your MP if you think he will make a difference. Now,rather than later, so when they come to canvas your vote you can tell him/her what you think and can he assure he will address change in this anomaly or resignor better still not attempt to be elected or relected!!!! I am sure Retirees in every seat can makea difference. Lets put our representative there as wit the experience retirees have I am sure they will not be a rubber stamp.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:42pm
That's right Trev. If retirees stopped voting for the same Party (why????) they have supported for 50 years and we all voted in a block then bye bye business owned government.
Labor may not have been perfect but it would have been clear that the hate and scare campaign run at the last election was motivated by vested interests. All you have to do is look at legislation from the current mob and what it has tried to bring down on workers.....whilst talking Tax reform (ie tax decreases) for the wealthy. How blind are people that they cannot join the dots?
KSS
7th Mar 2016
1:15pm
I see all the green eyed monsters have coming running on cue. It must be a slow news day to wheel out this whinge yet again.

I have no problem with the pension fund of politicians. It is what it is and after all they are not the only sector to have generous pension fund arrangements.

What I do object to, is the additional funding they receive over and above their parliamentary pension. The money they can claim for offices, staff, travel, cars, flights and so on that goes on for life. If they are 'retired' they rightly claim their pension, so why do they need an office and staff? If they are not actually retired but are continuing to work then they should not be drawing a pension at all, should be funding their own office and staff and paying for their own travel for themselves and their families from their own funds or their new salaries. I agree that all payments other than the pension they are entitled to under the rules of their employment as an MP should be removed. I also agree that they should not be able to draw that pension until they have formally retired. If they continue to work (as many do either on the speaking circuit or as a consultant or other employee) they should not be able to cash in their pension until such time as they do formally and completely retire.
Sundays
7th Mar 2016
1:34pm
I agree completely KSS
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:43pm
Been run a few times now.
DavidB4
7th Mar 2016
1:15pm
Oh come on, if you ask a politician to try and justify that payout they'll just blame it on the previous administrations...while on the way to the bank to cash their check!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:44pm
What....Americans now posting? Welcome. Get rid of your Republican Congress and we'll get rid of this dirty LNP government. Deal?
Anonymous
7th Mar 2016
3:29pm
MORE free advertising. Your comment could use a bidet.
Mike
7th Mar 2016
1:19pm
Taking Thommo,s remarks further. Hockey labelled disabled people rorters, whilst he himself, together with his cronies, was rorting the taxpayers $288 a night travel allowance which he was using to pay of his Canberra holiday home. Many disabled people are constantly in pain and push themselves to move on, but have Bastards running after them with cameras, yelling , look at this rorter, he is actually trying to mow his lawn. What the Bastards forget is that many lawnmowers are now self propelled, the person is probably in pain but still pushing himself, and in any case, what do you expect the disabled to do? Stay in bed all day long. Hockey also destroyed the retirement plans of an estimated 560000 retirees. Yet he himself, together with Bronwyn, Abbott, Julie, Christopher Pain, etc, all snout in trough spending money on their own greedy selves as quick as they can. I vowed I would never vote for those lying Liberal Bastards ever again, but then , who else is there to vote for?
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:47pm
Hockey appears to be a right piece of work. I have rarely seen such low life and the Liberal Party seems to have a lot of like minded MPs.
I can't wait until this LNP government is spat out and new blood which is not terminal comes in to replace those who work so hard to engage in Class Warfare.
student
7th Mar 2016
6:00pm
Politicians can justify any increase in their salaries/benefits. As for those at the bottom of the heap ( i.e: pensioners etc) they (we) are there so we can be kicked in the guts and denied even more diginity so when we get a few crumbs they, the politicians, can say how they help us!!

I will soon need a wheel chair and thank goodness I wont have to ask 'the government' to buy me one. I am lucky as I have a family that looks after me better than the government. They appreciate what I have done in my life for my country

One day the snouts in the trough will scape the bottom and get infected. I don't wish ill on anyone, just justice for all.
john
7th Mar 2016
1:20pm
a one off payment of that amount would be more acceptable and then use super which is quite possibly very large.
Sundays
7th Mar 2016
1:26pm
It was an overly generous scheme which is why it was closed to new members 12 years ago. I don't expect those eligible to forgo what they signed up for and they have also made some personal superannuation contributions towards it. However, they should definitely have to wait until retirement age to receive it. As for good class travel when they leave parliament plus the other perks, that is just nonsense and should cease.
Sundays
7th Mar 2016
1:39pm
...meant gold class travel and any other perks for those no longer in office, and their spouses!
roy
7th Mar 2016
3:55pm
Spouses or their latest "bird" like that berk Burke.
Frank
7th Mar 2016
3:58pm
Yes, I suppose Burke was told not to apologise as well. I'm sure if Rudd was the leader they would be apologising every week like they did in government.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:19am
''I don't expect those eligible to forgo what they signed up for...''
Why not? 560,000 retirees are forced to forgo what they signed up for - and in many cases spent 40+ years foregoing a more comfortable lifestyle to achieve.
ails52
7th Mar 2016
1:40pm
In fairness these people service our country just like our armed forces. So a pension is warranted BUT how big a pension is the question. My view is to minimise the impact to what seems to be our ever decreasing pool of funds so I suggest that at most these people could get a Health card
moke
7th Mar 2016
2:38pm
With their attitude they would be dying (in their mind) each and every day and cost just as much with a health card
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:49pm
I might suggest that some MPs DO NOT SERVICE OUR COUNTRY and are out to do the bidding of their election funding sponsors. Take Greg Hunt......
Andy
7th Mar 2016
1:50pm
lets vote that they bring their pensions back in line with our pensions, then go from there. That should straighten a lot of things out.
ziggy
7th Mar 2016
1:56pm
I think the message is clear that Politian's have one view that is look after myself first and then their constituents but only when I may loose my position in Parliament. In a nutshell they can say as I am a Politian "I am alright Jack it does not affect me!"
The suggestion of wealth ($500,000 in assets .. what a joke) in the Governments approach to reduce the Age Pension expense is merely a manipulation of figures to arrive at a desired result, no more no less. The article I think proves all the above but wouldn't it be great if they could not touch those monies until they reached that crystal ball retiring age of "70" and only be allowed to withdraw a small percentage... wow they would scream.
I agree with maxchugg that pollies will tell you what many people want to hear but deep down their own personal affairs are quite contradictory to what they preach.
Talk about a fair go!!
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:50pm
MPs do not need the pension so do not give a hoot what is done to retirees. The day their self funded rorts are ended and they need to work to 70 and then access the public pension system they will care.
libsareliars
7th Mar 2016
1:58pm
They are just parasites aren't they - biggest leaners around.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:12pm
Vote independent.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:12pm
Vote independent.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:12pm
Vote independent.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:12pm
Vote independent.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:12pm
Vote independent.
Wstaton
7th Mar 2016
11:48pm
Bit of a stutter there mick. Been on the booze?
Scrivener
7th Mar 2016
2:05pm
A paradox - their lives are limited to vain, petty, self-interested issues and that consume their stinky daily worlds. We want to believe in something greater, wiser, more significant—something that will give our lives true meaning. We want leadership not politicians.
If you are an inspirational leader and want to be a politician, put your hand up, because what we have in Canberra now are rubbish.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:52pm
ANd you wonder why I advocate that people VOTE INDEPENDENT. Most Independents have a fire in their bellies. Most mainstream party MPs are leeches. There is a difference.
student
7th Mar 2016
6:08pm
hey mick, is it your fault that Malcolmwants to get rid of all of the 'small' parties?? I thought democracy allowed everyone a fair go and honest vote. I hate the 'table-cloth' voting papers but they allow those that meet the criteria to stand for election. Is our democracy going to be only for the elite?? And so mick, I say MORE INDEPENDENTS!!!!!!!!!!! Especially if that gets up the noses for the pollies!
Casper
7th Mar 2016
2:16pm
So has anyone any idea or knowledge on what is the procedure for changing unfair and excessive so called pensions ?
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:52pm
VOTE OUT THE CURRENT DESPOTS!
moke
7th Mar 2016
2:24pm
$6.20 was already swallowed up by increasing medicine costs and doctors fees that's still not considering the rise in the cost of Fruit & Vegetables (FRESH AS the supermarkets would have you believe or try to at least. The last lot of fruit we purchased had obviously been in a climate controlled atmosphere for a number of months after harvest. Off course with the amount of pension POLLIES receive they could purchase what is know as ORGANIC which comes at a price that ordinary pensioners could not afford and that goes for every way of life. I wonder how many people get into politics just for the rake off they get at the expense of taxpaying people.
YUK our government are only there to look after them selves b*****ger the general public you are not even a consideration except to be told that you are an expensive nuisance.
Pamiea
7th Mar 2016
2:37pm
Politicians and Judges and the like may have served our country but what have we been doing all these years? Twiddling our thumbs. We all have contributed in our own way whether it be as a nurse, doctor, shop assistant, bus driver etc. They are not to be GLORIFIED any more than any one else. Tell em to get real. If I knew how to do it I would start up a Twitter account and get thousands on board to rally against payments of any description or form after retirement for any politician, judge, commonwealth worker etc!! Can soneone please start this up.
JATS77
7th Mar 2016
2:37pm
This article and the accompanying comments ought to be dawn to the attention of MPs because they need to remember that "as you sow, so shall you reap" or, as others say, KARMA! I have written to my local MP [who also happens to be a senior Federal Minister] and provided a link to this article. Perhaps other indignant pensioners [and their supporters] might consider contacting their local MPs, too.
MICK
7th Mar 2016
2:55pm
More importantly WE need to organise and need to have the guts to make a change through the ballot box. Sadly many older voters just keep voting as if they are supporting their football team. That is the reason why retirees are being done over: too stupid for the most part and too intractable to wake up to what is happening.
PlanB
7th Mar 2016
2:41pm
I have not read the other posts but $180.00 on retirement! what utter rot! plus the perks they also get NO this has to STOP!
roy
7th Mar 2016
3:52pm
$180.00 that's not a lot live on PlanB.
Anonymous
7th Mar 2016
4:13pm
He's a bit confused.
Chris B T
7th Mar 2016
3:00pm
Politicans should not be allowed collect a pension from a Gov position, then start new employment in another Gov position and collect another pension when done. This Concurrent Collection of Income from Tax's is MEAN SPIRTTED.
The minimum age should be 60 before any collection of pension for politicans.
Age pension should be % of base politicans pension and indexed, with the means testing.
PlanB
7th Mar 2016
3:23pm
I agree Chris, Politicians should have to have the same rules as we do
B J
7th Mar 2016
3:31pm
Mick, you must live in La La Land if you think your mob is any better than this lot.
Their all tarred with the one brush once they see the trough in front of them
mavisha
7th Mar 2016
3:55pm
I am sick to death about politicians getting such a lot of money when they retire and are put on the pension.We deserve a better go than what we are getting,we live in with no money to spare,and if you have animals to keep you happy,there is no extra to help feed them.Please think about us for a change,give us a rise in the pension.
roy
7th Mar 2016
3:57pm
Let's vote that wonderful man Bill Shorten into power, you know that union bully boy, google his track record, he should be in nick.
Pushkin2
7th Mar 2016
4:13pm
I am probably on the wrong side of the fence (or tracks) with this subject. I have worked and lived in several countries where politicians are not even paid a reasonable salary let alone a pension.

These countries, some in our immediate region, invariably are rife with corruption and authoritarianism on a scale that most if not all of the respondents on this post raging against paying anything to politicians can imagine. It would be difficult to find a parliamentarian or government official who does does not take bribes or partake in extra-legal activities using their power and privileges for personal gain at the dire expense of others.

Yes, our parliamentary pension scheme seems outrageous but be grateful we have the system we have - the alternative is utterly unthinkable.
roy
7th Mar 2016
4:32pm
I'm sick of all this bickering, I need another skiing holiday, St Moritz or Gstaad, here I come No, maybe another trip to Lake Louise or Lake Tahoe, oh dear such decisions to make. The snow is not so good in Switzerland in March unless one goes very high.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:05am
Pushkin2, I think you and a lot of other Australians would be shocked if they knew of the level of corruption in our governments - every level of government. Payment isn't the determining factor of whether corruption occurs or the extent of it. What determined whether or not a politician (or anyone else) will be corrupt or dishonest is the same factor that determines whether an individual will be a thief. It's their conscience. It's their fundamental ethics, morals and integrity. Honest people do honest work. Dishonest people seek profit dishonestly. It's that simple! Yes, desperation drives acts that are out of character at times, but it's clear when it's desperation and not lack of integrity. And there are NO politicians in our parliaments who are desperate. But there are a great many who are corrupt and dishonest, and paying them well will never change that.
Vogel
7th Mar 2016
4:33pm
Because of our attitude over the past 20 years or so we appear to have let the pollies of all parties get what they wanted,a well trained public who accept what they dish out.I am afraid that this will never be changed till there is some sort of uprising. If this was some of the so called "developing countries"there would have been "blood on the streets"a long time ago
roy
7th Mar 2016
8:36pm
I shouldn't say it but I will, Australia needs a Quatorze Juillet or Bastille Day like the frogs, sort out these greedy free loaders once and for all. If the Federal Police once are reading this, I don't really mean it, I love all our politicians even Billy Shorty and think that they are all under paid and under privileged, their salaries should be doubled and they should be allowed to take all their tarts anywhere they like at our expense and travel 1st class and eat caviar and drink Champagne until it comes out of their ears and take 80 kilometre helicopter flights, why not, they are wonderful wonderful people.
And why shouldn't they pay for hookers on their Union credit card, what's wrong with that?
heemskerk99
7th Mar 2016
5:25pm
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student
7th Mar 2016
6:19pm
ahhhhh heemy, so if posters do not agree with you then they are basically morons (my word not your) That is what's good about democracy (untill the pollies change the freedom laws) we all have freedom of choice and can read opinions that do not agree with the majority. It is only by reading every arguement for or against that we can make informed decisions. Name calling is not debating the topic.
roy
7th Mar 2016
7:11pm
Vote independent.
Anonymous
8th Mar 2016
10:24am
heemskerk99, having had your comment removed it looks like you're losing it, again, old boy.
Old Man
7th Mar 2016
7:54pm
Maybe people should have a closer look at the parliamentary pension scheme. Labor changed it all when a PM's salary went from just under $300k to just under $500k. This was done to stop all the rorts associated with pension such as gold pass travel and comcars. The new system still allows an unfunded pension but it cannot be accessed until the member turns 55, the same as the average citizen.

The stinger in the tail is that existing conditions were grandfathered and those who were elected prior to 2010 will still be able to access the old pension scheme. It will take some years for the full effect to be felt, just the same as it will take some years before compulsory super for the masses will take full effect.

Because the politicians super is unfunded, ie they haven't put any of their hard earned into it, it should be treated the same as an age pension. If any income is generated then the super payment will be reduced until it comes to zero for those earning too much. It is galling to see ex-pollies getting positions on Boards, in Universities and diplomatic posts, all of which are paid positions and, in most cases, none of these would be available to the average non-pollie.
Frank
8th Mar 2016
6:40pm
That's right Old Man. Kevin Rudd was the first PM to have a base of over $500,000.
Eckles
7th Mar 2016
10:04pm
When the Government, and opposition"s" worked to reduce the asset test upper limit they inflicted an Approximate 20% income reduction to self funded retirees. At the same time as announcing this they received a massive pay increase, I guess this was a negative impact on the budget as the funding of the increase came from the cut back in payments to the SFR. Would have been more acceptable if the pollies had themselves taken a 20% cut.
As for pensioners, they got shafted again, even the increase to the bottom level of assets at which full pension is paid is a mirrors trick. The rate has been increased to $373k or thereabouts, an increase of some $75k to current level, this increase comes into effect on 1/1/2017 and is frozen for 3 years. If you take the current level and apply the indexed increases that apply then at the end of the period the two amounts are, guess what, almost the same. SO where is the increased benefit???
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:47am
Wow, Eckles! I thought I was pretty sharp but I missed the bit about the frozen indexation resulting in the same result at the end of 3 years as if there hadn't been a ''mythical'' increase! What a scam!

Time for retirees to unite in a demand that this illegal discrimination against them ends NOW. We should be afforded the same rights as any other sector of the community. If politicians can retain entitlements under ''grandfathering'' provisions, the same right should be afforded to retirees who worked, planned, saved and sacrificed for decades to achieve an outcome they were GUARANTEED UNDER LAW would be achievable.
scratch
7th Mar 2016
10:07pm
Who is the tosser praising that little Irish leprechaun Allen Joyce,the sacked workers says it all for me
Jezemeg8
7th Mar 2016
11:05pm
For as long as I can remember and most likely longer, politicians have all joined together to denigrate and blame those least able to defend themselves in order to explain the budget deficit. Sure politicians work hard, so did I, as a single parent of 3 working 18 hour days 7 days a week without support staff. I was forced into retirement at age 45 declared "too disabled" to be covered by Work Cover...just try getting any job when one cannot get Work Cover.
I now exist on a DSP, don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for it, Universal Superannuation didn't cover my employment until the year I was forced to retire. My "golden handshake" was a whopping $1,000!
I am so tired of well paid Politicians jumping on the bandwagon of blaming those receiving Centrelink benefits while all the time knowing that their own retirement will be one of luxury. Sure there are some who regularly announce they are going to live on the benefits we mere mortals exist on, but I've noticed these are very short periods and one soon doesn't hear anymore about these attempts. It's obvious to me that this is because it is far too arduous for them to continue only to prove how hard it is.
Big business gets away with paying little or no tax, there are many tax avoidance schemes available to those on high incomes, yet the PAYE taxpayer cannot escape and ultimately funds the public purse from which Centrelink benefits are paid. I believe that instead of blaming those on aged pensions and DSP, if EVERYONE including politicians and big business paid their full amount of tax then our country would be in a far better financial position.
But realistically, that will never happen, the fat cats will continue to get fatter whilst pointing the finger at those existing on below poverty income. That's far easier to do than to pay one's full rate of taxation just like other's do.
Libby
7th Mar 2016
11:10pm
Well, does anybody know it's NO THANKS to Bill McMahon who was the one who started this off and I do remember Kevin Rudd tried to stop or change it but he was shouted down by all the other greedy feral pigs! They may have their riches on earth but won't have it in heaven! They don't even WANT to get us out of the red by not helping their own fellow Australians, SHAME, POLLIES, SHAME!
SGW
7th Mar 2016
11:37pm
sign my petition on change.org
https://www.change.org/p/the-govenor-general-of-australia-politicians-pensions
Libby
8th Mar 2016
7:07pm
Thank you SGW! I was thinking of writing to the Governor General about changing the politicians pensions. I don't know what good it will do but I sincerely hope he listens to the strong views of the public who are very angry at this especially pensioners who have worked hard and paid taxes all their lives just for the measly pension payments. I would LOVE to send all these comments to him.
I will certainly sign the petition!
Libby
10th Mar 2016
4:54pm
Hi there,

I tried to join the petition but it came up with:

"This petition isn't available. Either URL is incorrect, it violated our Community Guidelines, or the starter removed it".

Thought you should know. I got another good story from a friend from Yahoo. I tried to send your address but it came up with the same story.
Ozbrum
8th Mar 2016
1:33am
Obscene ! there really is no other word to describe what these people claim.... they are in it for themselves full stop !
We should also include many public servants.... what a laugh that is , we are the servants. I know of a lady who worked for the state government for 10 years , was offered early retirement and a payout of over $200,000 net of tax, she was age 47, had arrived in this country only 12 years earlier.... how in gods name can they justify this apart from the fact the taxpayer foots the bill.

I would like to see all the retiring politicians, give us a full report of what they achieved by the sweat of their brow , which will benefit we the public also an attendance card of how many days they attended each year whilst a sitting member, what was their absentee factors , how much overseas travel did they do, for what reason, how long and what was achieved.... I could go on, but that will do to start....

The can be downright liers, absetee for up to 50% of the time.... yet still claim full expenses and retire on pensions we can only dream about ..... hard to believe they can lay straight in bed...

Lets put independant auditors into the various departments, look at productivity, number of staff and what are the objectives and major achievements after say 5 years in office.... they would be jumping ships like the rats that they are ....

I can honestly say, regardless of party, their would be very few honest people working in government....

Please mr. or mrs Pollie.... please come debate we the ones you have so coldly cast aside.... justify your exorbitant salaries and allowances, show us how you have served us so well....
pfbnug
8th Mar 2016
3:04am
Everyone seems to agree that pollies and their ilk are underworked and overpaid. The pollies are making an issue that our pensions will cost too much because there are more and more of us every year. Maybe we will soon have the numbers to vote real workers into power and rectify the appalling state of affairs brought about by our greedy corrupt and selfish retardate lords and masters. It is high time that "Gray Power" started to become a force in the electorate.
pfbnug
8th Mar 2016
3:04am
Everyone seems to agree that pollies and their ilk are underworked and overpaid. The pollies are making an issue that our pensions will cost too much because there are more and more of us every year. Maybe we will soon have the numbers to vote real workers into power and rectify the appalling state of affairs brought about by our greedy corrupt and selfish retardate lords and masters. It is high time that "Gray Power" started to become a force in the electorate.
OnlyGenuineRainey
8th Mar 2016
9:20am
It's past time, pfbnug. We need to stand up and fight back.
Not Senile Yet!
8th Mar 2016
5:46am
Eh What????
Malcolm WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES SO Less Independants can get a seat......and thereby make him negotiate his Legislative Changes......he'd prefer just to do what he wants without any contest or questions......isn't that what Hitler achieved by assassinating his opponents prior to elections???? Oh yes...I hear you ......he's not killing anyone......just trying to lock them out eh????
Regardless of what they get or how they get it.......You All Keep Voting for these Party Puppet Parasites........so who's fault is it really????
He are sucked in by the Advertising Propaganda before they get in....then vote for the idiots that have already told you they will only do what their Party tells them to do.......be it left right or whatever!!!!
Try giving Ya Brain Cells A Workout......If you want Change .....First YOU need to change what you are doing to get a different Result....Yes...YOU!!!
Try giving your vote to the Person who hasn't sold his soul to any Party just to get elected!
You never know...if enough of you do.....maybe the Parties won't have the numbers to do as they please anymore!!!!!
Think about it!!!!
At the very least it is a very Aussie way to "stick it up them!!!"
MD
8th Mar 2016
8:22am
Yes , the earlier comment- " Feeding the chooks again Debbie ?" aptly describes the resultant outpourings, 'cluck' no ! So here's my handful of corn.
Most of the commentators may be of the generation(s) that remember the American humorist Will Rogers; who, when asked the source of his vast store of jokes/anecdotes replied " Well, I watch the government and report the facts, that's all I do, and I don't even have to exaggerate" , also " Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for".
An old friend once said to me "the world's been in the hands of fools for thousands of years and will remain so for for thousands to come".
By all means elect independent candidates to break the herd (or flock), however, be mindful that an independent will only remain so till such time as he/she or a constituent wants something. We all know that the more we desire something the sooner we'll sell out. "Here chook,chook,chook!"
wally
8th Mar 2016
11:29am
Or, in the land of the blind, he who can see will be king. Orwell's "childrens' story" Animal Farm does reflect the voting practices and attitudes we see all too much of today. "Four legs good, Lib'ral bad." Baaaaah.
Pollyanna
8th Mar 2016
2:51pm
I have already written to my local member regarding this issue and asked that he take it to Canberra. The figures you quote are only the tip of the iceberg and actually run into billions when you also take into account that they get an office and secretary for the rest of their lives as well as other benefits. I was not happy with the response I received( of which I put down a breakdown of all the figures) which do come into billions and would deffinately help to balance the books. When we leave a job, all entitlements stop. This should be the same for the pollies especially when nearly all of them jump into other high paid jobs. How can we stop this. Come on be fare to the average Australian.
carmencita
8th Mar 2016
3:31pm
What the politicians are getting can never be justified. They don't do any work at all except as a spokesperson of their agenda. They've got people doing their thinking, people doing the running, etc... they formulate whatever monies they want to get in the guise that it is determined by an independent body which is a huge lie. Yet they attack the most vulnerable people in this society when it comes to economic, health, social benefits.
heemskerk99
8th Mar 2016
6:36pm
it's only a rort if you're not in on it, if you can't do it yourself you don't deserve it in the first place, keep feeding it to the chooks, jealousy is a mental cancer and just as deadly.
bartpcb
8th Mar 2016
7:18pm
It's a disgrace. They know it. We know it and they know we know it. They also know we are powerless to stop them. They hold the workers to 3% EBA's and then give themselves 10 and 15% pay rises and this on top of their big salaries.
heemskerk99
8th Mar 2016
7:35pm
seee above
Pollyanna
9th Mar 2016
10:34am
I have been told by my local member that they do not give themselves a pay rise it is done by an external board.
Frank
9th Mar 2016
10:38am
And approved by the government.
Hash
9th Mar 2016
7:46am
The Government, really needs to look at polly pay outs, a start would be to cut their pay outs in half.
Frank
9th Mar 2016
8:28am
Hash the Rudd government looked into Politician's entitlements and those entitlements increased substantially.
We cannot afford another review.
We need fewer Politicians.
Ozbrum
9th Mar 2016
1:25pm
How about means testing them as a married couple, stating their pensions are only there as a "safety net".... Same as we the pensioners .

Surely Rudd and Co. Made enough on the side to keep him / them in luxury for life
His book royalties, contacts, and all other income / revenue should be taken to account in " change of circumstances " same rules as apply to we the flock!
Ozbrum
9th Mar 2016
1:25pm
How about means testing them as a married couple, stating their pensions are only there as a "safety net".... Same as we the pensioners .

Surely Rudd and Co. Made enough on the side to keep him / them in luxury for life
His book royalties, contacts, and all other income / revenue should be taken to account in " change of circumstances " same rules as apply to we the flock!
Hash
9th Mar 2016
9:04am
Frank, you may be right, about less Pollies, I think the pollies today, are over educated, some have " the pie in the sky thinking " Then you have the other type pollies, they just love money, we really needs pollies like we had in the 1930 - 1950's, these pollies new what it was all about.
GrayComputing
9th Mar 2016
11:46am
When a government plans for a budget deficit then first take back all the their golden super payments current and future away until the budget is well back in the black. len
Ozbrum
9th Mar 2016
1:10pm
So many " why " questions....
Why.... Are politicians pensions "entitlements" whilst age pensions are NOT an entitlement
Why ....do we still nerd a system of government designed in the age before telephones were in use
Why.... Do we NEED 3 levels of government ?
Why..... Are politicians rewarded for bad management ?
Why.... to get a job working for the civil service you need a degree, to head up the department you don`t
Why do local councils need to employ thousands of people ?

If only, we could get simple answers to these questions....IF ONLY
Brue
10th Mar 2016
2:35pm
GGRRRRRRRRRRR! Bloody ANGRY. Politicians should be paid the same as any aged pensioner.My blood is boiling.
andytwo
11th Mar 2016
3:29pm
Maybe I have got this wrong, but these politicians are not retiring they are just not standing for reelection. So are they not supposed to wait until they are 67 like the rest of us.
RooWalk
12th Mar 2016
1:31pm
They should have to wait till they reach 65/70 like everybody else, then only be entitled to what the normal Australian is entitled to, then be means tested. If they cannot prepare for their retirement then they can join the queue at centrelink. No freebees. No Office, No Secretary, No Free flights, No Car, Nothing except the normal pension like everybody else. The Country can no longer afford expensive anchors to drag the country down. Most of our problems have been caused by mismanagement by the Governments.











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Trev
12th Mar 2016
1:51pm
Have the retiring Politicions not heard Hockey & Scott say "Age of entitlement is over" Thy should get in the queue like all retired pensioners if they want the pension and be normal everyday citizens. When will they set an example! Elections coming soon now is the time to get the door knocking Politicians to give water tight guarantess they will change the system or go else where for your vote.They worked like everone else and got their rewards so no more.Trev
Radish
12th Mar 2016
10:17pm
Under the new rules coming in they will have to wait until 65 to get their pension.....that is why so many are pulling the pin so they can get their pensions now!!
Radish
12th Mar 2016
10:15pm
I do not like the overly generous payouts these people get but let's be honest someone has to run the country and if there is not an incentive to be a politician who would bother!
Fairness
13th Mar 2016
1:19am
Never get excited when you are told age pension rates have increased, they only follow already increased rates of electricity,rent etc. Wouldn't we like the same rate of cost of living increases of politicians!?!
Oigle
14th Mar 2016
6:57pm
If only peanuts you get monkeys!
Oigle
Oars
28th Mar 2016
10:48am
I am a great believer in get what you paid for- or in this case what you "pretended" to work for. These polies have a great life after their three month rush-around-the constituency" just before election time. I have had many a "discussion" with them on all three sides, AND the "so-called" independents. Thaey have a rehearsed set of answeres, with a patronising look on their face- then do NOTHING. If they had to work, then their pension would be related to their period at the job and how much super they paid in. If that is not goods enough for them then why do we have to fit another set of criteria. It looks like a two rules legal system. One for the polies, and one for us. Oh- and don't forget, that they also get travel allowances for ever, and allowances such as an office, telephone and assistants that add up to approx aa480aak per year. Not bad for leaving us with the baby. Then there is Hawk- who gave himself a pat on the back after leaving the country to Keating, both of whom created a CONSULTANCY on FOREIGHN AFFAIRS and received money for that. I wonder what or who was Hawk's FOREIGN AFFAIR the wee porker >Bah
Oars
28th Mar 2016
10:50am
Correction: They get approX $80K per year for telephone, office, assistant and TRAVEL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD- And how much notice would a foreighn diplomat take of a RETIRED has been poly from Ozz ??? NIL,
saf
2nd Jul 2016
8:22am
Yep..close legal loopholes for tax evasion..eg Family Trusts..unbelievable
Prevent bankrupts from having their assets in their wifes or childrens or family trusts to avoid their responsibilities
expensive, but in the lobg term it wld pay off to check the billions of dollars given to the Single Mothers Pension when they r living in a relationship. This is a monster rort taking away from cancer research, education, hospitals and giving genuine pensioners a better deal
to give 10 internal flights per year to retired pollies doesnt worry me but to get $150,000 per year pension, do they have to have served a certain number of years?? Should be minimum 5 yrs BUT only if they attend say 90pc of meetings per year. How many times do we see parliament with a dozen attendees if that.
give govt housing to young couples for max 5 yrs to enable them to save for a deposit then it should go to a new family. Never should a house be passed onto children of the tenants. Anyone trashing their home should be automatically refused further govt accommodation
BRING BACK MENTAL HOSPITALS so these poor people have a warm beda shower and a hot meal...Urgently..
saf
2nd Jul 2016
8:22am
Yep..close legal loopholes for tax evasion..eg Family Trusts..unbelievable
Prevent bankrupts from having their assets in their wifes or childrens or family trusts to avoid their responsibilities
expensive, but in the lobg term it wld pay off to check the billions of dollars given to the Single Mothers Pension when they r living in a relationship. This is a monster rort taking away from cancer research, education, hospitals and giving genuine pensioners a better deal
to give 10 internal flights per year to retired pollies doesnt worry me but to get $150,000 per year pension, do they have to have served a certain number of years?? Should be minimum 5 yrs BUT only if they attend say 90pc of meetings per year. How many times do we see parliament with a dozen attendees if that.
give govt housing to young couples for max 5 yrs to enable them to save for a deposit then it should go to a new family. Never should a house be passed onto children of the tenants. Anyone trashing their home should be automatically refused further govt accommodation
BRING BACK MENTAL HOSPITALS so these poor people have a warm beda shower and a hot meal...Urgently..


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