17th Sep 2018
PM announces a royal commission into aged care
PM announces a royal commission into aged care

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced a royal commission into aged care, and says he expects some “pretty bruising information” to come out of the investigation.

The announcement comes as ABC’s Four Corners is, tonight, set to broadcast a two-part special – Who Cares? – on the appalling practices in the aged care system.

In the three weeks since he became PM, Mr Morrison said he had heard some disturbing evidence of non-compliance and failures throughout  the aged care system. This had prompted him to  launch an inquiry into residential and aged care facilities, as well as those caring for younger people with disabilities who live in nursing homes.

“I think we should brace ourselves for some pretty bruising information about the way our loved ones, some of them, have experienced some real mistreatment,” said Mr Morrison.

“And I think that's going to be tough for us all to deal with. But you can't walk past it.”

Aged Care Minister Ken Wyatt was last month lukewarm about the prospect of a royal commission, claiming it was unnecessary because the Government was already reviewing the sector.

“A royal commission, after two years and maybe $200 million being spent on it, will come back with the same set or a very similar set of recommendations,” he said on Four Corners at the time.

Now Mr Wyatt fully backs the Government’s decision to launch an inquiry, after damning reports of widespread system failures and abuse.

“You ask the simple question: How widespread is this? How far and wide does it go? Does it touch on the whole sector?” Mr Morrison said.

 



“Now, until we can have clear answers to those questions, I think Australians will be unsure.”

One of those answers Mr Morrison may already know. In Federal Budget 2016, while Mr Morrison was treasurer, he said his government would “achieve efficiencies of $1.2 billion over four years” from federal funding paid to aged care providers.

Does this mean funding cuts could be responsible for the aged care sector cutting corners? Not according to Mr Morrison, as he steadfastly denied cutting $1.2 billion from the sector.

“If people want to put questions, they are not allowed to put lies,” said Mr Morrison. “This is why I’m having a royal commission because I’m not going to put up with lies being told about what’s happening in the aged care sector.

“Policies must be based on facts, not the facts that are dreamt up, not facts that are misinterpreted, not the facts that have agendas sitting behind them.”

Tonight’s Four Corners program is the result of an ABC crowdsourcing project which asked aged care staff, residents and families  about their experiences. More than 4000 people responded to the call, sharing stories of abuse, malpractice and even death suffered by people in aged care.

Of the respondents, 1300 aged care staff contributed, exposing system failures but also reporting bullying, lies and cover-ups. Many of the staff wrote in about their experiences but were too afraid to speak on camera.

Was the impending revelation of these stories reason for Mr Morrison’s announcement? Could the royal commission be a politically charged pre-emptive measure?

Mr Morrison stated that the ‘Oakden scandal’ was one of the reasons for the royal commission. Last year, this South Australian nursing home was shut down due to evidence of unnecessary restraint, assault and overmedication.

The inquiry will bring even more horrific cases  to light, says Council of the Ageing chief Ian Yates.

“The revelations of the Oakden nursing home in South Australia, they were appalling, and there will be more of that, there will be more of that come forward,” said Mr Yates.

“I think the commission will find the industry needs to become more mature, that there needs to be more control in the hands of the consumers and their families, that we need more funding, and that we have different expectations than previous generations did about what aged care is.

“We want a much more diverse and high-quality aged care system and the question it will have to ponder is, who's going to pay for that and in what proportions?”

It all comes back to funding, so it seems, a point with which the head of Aged and Community Services Australia, Pat Sparrow, agrees.

“Funding's always an important thing to look at," she said.

“What the royal commission allows is an opportunity for us to have a broader national community conversation about what it is the growing number of older Australians expect, and the community in general expects, of aged care.”

Do you have any aged care horror stories? Will you be closely following the findings of this commission?

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    Kaz
    17th Sep 2018
    10:37am
    I dont think we need a royal commission - it needs public regulation, prescribed modelling and better funding.
    Jen50
    17th Sep 2018
    10:54am
    It certainly needs something. My mother was generally well taken care of but there were definitely some serious shortfalls because of lack of staff and funding. Her Parkinson’s medication couldn’t always be delivered exactly on time because the poor staff were run ragged and couldn’t keep up. It made a big difference to how her day went if the timing of her medication wasn’t right. She was in high care and couldn’t walk so if she went downhill any further because of it, it made more work for the staff for the rest of the day.
    That would have applied to all the residents with Parkinson’s with a flow on effect to the care of all the other residents.
    pedro the swift
    17th Sep 2018
    11:03am
    What has caused this sudden concern by the libs about aged care. Usually they have to dragged kicking and screaming to investigate anything to do with any business. Are they worried they might end up in one of these places? Is it just a smoke screen to deflect scrutiny of other goings on they don't want looked at? Very unlike a lib gov.
    jackie
    17th Sep 2018
    1:03pm
    They can't ignore evidence of abuse by the media. Their parents are probably in them. Poor Australians can't afford to be in nursing homes they have to fend for themselves till they drop.
    musicveg
    17th Sep 2018
    1:04pm
    Another suck up to the pensioners of course, getting ready for the next election, a royal commission will just delay any prosecution of abusers and any real changes that will benefit the aged in care.
    trood
    17th Sep 2018
    2:43pm
    Will it lead to any improvements? or this just another vote winner, this industry has been rife with problems and nothing has been done about it. When these places are given prior notice of an inspection you know nothing seriously is being done.

    Even with the Bank royal commission still in play the banks are already scheming foreclosures.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    11:09am
    The abuse of retirees, financial and physical, have been well understood for decades. Politicians were FULLY aware of what was going on but turned a blind eye. We know that nursing homes companies make political donations to companies....so here we go again.

    BAN ALL POLITICAL DONATIONS IN ANY FORM. Then governments and their conflicted pollies can do what we all pay for and all expect: government for the nation. At present we are getting government for big business...which may behave as it likes with no consequences whatsoever.
    I can only hope that this 'inquiry' is not just a feel good exercise and that LEGISLATION and penalties come out of it. Otherwise the bad behaviour will start up again shortly after the inquiry is over. One only has to look at post GFC banking to see the bastards at the big end of town have zero respect for both he law and citizens.
    maelcolium
    17th Sep 2018
    11:32am
    Spot on.
    Old Man
    17th Sep 2018
    11:55am
    Whilst I agree with you MICK about banning political donations, it would be impossible to enforce. Donors who have a barrow to push can simply take out ads in the various media which can be directed at the policies of the parties which they support. Those with pony tails and piercings in the ad agencies are clever enough to tailor an ad which can circumvent the rules of the Electoral Commission.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:06pm
    Fair comment but a Federal ICAC and trolling laws to control the media from running propaganda or one sided comment or advertising is not impossible. The problem we have is that the ruling faction, the elite, own the game and will not agree to any laws to limit their behaviour. That's why we cannot have a real government and what we have is mostly fake government dressed up as democracy....which it is not. At least not where money is concerned.
    Old Man
    17th Sep 2018
    12:49pm
    Aw MICK, what about the union movement? Are they to be discounted in all of this? Both sides have supporters, not just those you class as "elite". Be fair.
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:23pm
    Old Man, MICK be fair, you are dreaming are you not? He is a paid ALP troll.
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:28pm
    Ban all paid ALP trolls like MICK.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:17pm
    ... and eventually, Mick... Old Man.... we end up with a society of total control from a strong centralised government via its agencies....

    Oddly it is the very 'elite' (and for those who know me - I also posit Labor as it now stands as elitist) who rail against such 'commo' and' 'fascist' "OUTCOMES" (buzz word) who are the root cause of their eventual creation.

    A society based on a decent and fair-minded approach to issues would go a lot further and a lot longer.

    Settle down, roy..... this nonsense has gone on long enough, and is becoming childish.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    3:50pm
    Ban all Lieberal trolls like roy.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    7:50am
    Well the LNP pretty much banned the unions and those left are unable to do anything. The result is evident in staff levels at the lowest ever and workers too frightened to speak up.

    This is exactly what union haters wanted isn't it. A cowered, complicit workforce indebted to banks working for decreasing wages so a few "special" people can become exceedingly rich.

    You reap what you sow and there are always consequences.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2018
    12:35pm
    Rae, under the Gillard government, a staff shortage in aged care of some 20,000 nurses was revealed. What was done then? I mean apart from signing up new union members?
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    2:38pm
    Probably nothing Adrianus as both parties are pretty useless. Of course there is a staff shortage when you pay below minimum wage for hard, shitty work.

    And the owners are often bullies to boot.

    Would you work for a pittance to abuse old people because the job description says you must so some rich bitches can make more millions?

    Aged Care should never have been privatised. It's proven now that private is worse both in quality and cost.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2018
    5:50pm
    If I take a job, then I do it to the best of my ability. There's nothing wrong with working for a living.
    George
    19th Sep 2018
    12:28am
    Absolutely agree, MICK and Rae. Putting the Aged, many of whom can't speak up or are too scared to complain, into the hands of private sector sharks was always bound to result in a disaster - for the customers. Hope the RC can bring this out.

    Both Liberals and Labor should hang their heads in shame - lots of opportunities coming up for them for this once they hear the stories, nay facts on the ground.
    Rae
    19th Sep 2018
    7:14am
    And nothing wrong with paying a fair amount for a fair days work but that hasn't been happening which is a very big part of the problems we have now. Too many wanting to keep too large a profit at the expense of both workers and customers.

    Nothing wrong with working for a living unless you are being taken advantage of by employers with nothing but $$$$ on their minds.

    In which case it's tragic that people are forced to work for these bullies and profiteers.

    This is where every government from Hawke and Keating have gotten us. The problem is what do we do now?
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    11:14am
    I smell an election year in the wind....... suddenly all of those 'budget crises' have vanished and all the social stuff so badly needed for ages is getting top billing....

    Just saying......

    Some profiteers are making many millions out of this 'industry' - seems to me there is something wrong with the model on which it operates.... perhaps a little deeper than regulation and clear oversight (including unscheduled inspections and offers of witness protection for any 'clients' who speak out) - perhaps the model is the basic problem and the 'for'-profit' model has too many loop-holes for the exit of bags of cash.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:10pm
    Spot on. When you get the current batch of business owned rats trying to con the public into thinking they are kind benevolent MPs then you know an election is nigh. The true colours come out after it is all done and dusted. Abbott threw all his 'promises' into the bin and after Turnbull was put back in Channel 9's Peter Overton sneered at Shorten and said "doesn't Shorten know the election is over' during a news broadcast. That told me that elections are a dishonest game to get the big end of town back into the driver's seat.
    Old Man
    17th Sep 2018
    12:11pm
    My cynicism matches yours Bob. All of the attacks by Labor are being addressed by dropping policies, making new regulations or having an enquiry that may not be completed until after the next election. It's a fact that the mind only tends to recall minute detail for about three months so when the pork barrelling starts an election will be about three months after the first handout.
    jackie
    17th Sep 2018
    1:08pm
    TREBOR...You know the ALP will get it again. Whilst this country continues to bring in slave labour this kind of abuse will never stop. It's like child care the real workforce gets ripped off and the profits go to the high up who make huge money and get greedier. Nursing homes are usually run by fat greedy ex nurses that only care for themselves like this Government does.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:21pm
    Too true OM - when the pork barrel is rolled out, expect an election. Interesting that three month 'cycle' you mention... someone once asked me what the normal attention span was - I quoted the fifteen minutes for a shooter in a sniper team before changing shooters.

    Hmm - jackie - old lady friend years ago - her mother, an ex nurse, owned that one in Burwood that ended up in the deep poo sea....
    maelcolium
    17th Sep 2018
    11:29am
    We don't need an RC. We already know what is wrong. The LNP are just diverting attention away from the problems, many of which were created by their privatisation of the aged care sector and the recent defunding of the past ten years.

    This proposal by the new PM is just more noise from the LNP to give then a chance at the next election. An RC will delay aged care reforms that are currently under way.

    Can we just get the RC on the financial sector done and dusted rather then diverting energy to a problem which is already being fixed?
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    11:40am
    RC into banking was just a witch hunt. However our elderly are being treated worse than prisoners so a RC is definitely needed so that our elderly have some dignity in the last part of their lives.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:12pm
    RC into banking was a witch hunt? So which bank is stumping up your pay cheque OG?
    What has come out of the RC has been huge you cretin.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:36pm
    Mick If people don't read the PDS of what they invest in then who fault is it their fault when thigs go pear shaped.

    If dead people were being charged fees then the executors of the wills were not carrying out their duty as bank accounts are frozen when a person dies.

    People who lost money in those highly leveraged schemes have only themselves to blame because they failed in their own duty of care in that they invested in something that was too good to be true. ie high returns equals high risk.

    I am actually disgusted by the Banking RC myself as I feel that people like me who did the right thing and didn't take on the risky products are being held accountable and will end up paying for those who failed in their own duty of care. That's right we will all pay for people's failure to look after their own money well.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:24pm
    Welcome to the Ebergeezer Comedy Hour...

    You brought a laugh and a smile to my face there, OG... now stop the joking around...

    Words such as 'duty of care', 'abiding by licencing regulations', 'decency', 'refusal to steal', 'integrity', 'customer service' etc have no place in discussion of banking these days...
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    2:42pm
    Trebor you have a duty of care not to take on more risk than you can handle. If you take it on and fail then it is your problem not anyone else's problem. We must stop people blaming others for their own greed.
    sunnyOz
    17th Sep 2018
    3:11pm
    I was wondering how long it would take for OG to come in with his oppositioning comment....god what a bore!
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    3:15pm
    Nice to see I'm not the only one with an opposing view. I tell it how I see not how people expect me to see it.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    3:16pm
    I forgot to include TRUST in the list.... when an advisor destroys or totally ignores trust - that is deliberate misleading for financial gain - a crime in my books...

    RICO the lot of them.... ALL of them and their bosses....
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    3:18pm
    I take it then, OG - that when a real government dictates that the cost of repayments to people robbed by banks will not be regained as a result of fees or charges and will not be a tax deduction - you will be happy to see whatever shares you have take the hit? After all - you are their employer.....

    Sorry - that's your problem - nobody guaranteed anyone a profit from shares.... roll the dice and take your chances... and all that you have become accustomed to as 'blue chip' shares is total illusion.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    3:25pm
    Trebor but I don't own any bank shares as I don't see them as blue chip at all.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:00pm
    OG is trolling well for his Lieberal mates today I see. "RC into banking was just a witch hunt." Unbelievable! Does he have his head in the sand, being totally oblivious to the avalanche of nefarious behaviour by the bastards in the financial sector?
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    6:39pm
    I haven't hard anything yet from RC into banking that is anything but people looking for a scape goat to blame for their own greed.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    11:12pm
    How does ordinary shareholders greed as opposed to genuine investors greed equate here, OG?

    Does an investor, residing trust in a certified advisor, have less Entitlement to a return than a shareholder in the organisation taking advantage of investors to enhance shareholders?

    Please Explain??
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    11:20pm
    Jeez Trebor you ask some stupid questions
    A direct investor is entitled to the same return as an investor who engaged a third party whose advice led that investor to invest in the exact same share
    If the direct investor made a mistake investing , he/she will make the same losses as one who invested based on advice from an investment advisor or a broker or on advisor of a friend or from a mob like Motley’s Fool
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:17am
    Everyone runs the same risks TREBOR. That's why reading the PDS and figuring our fees, charges, commissions and possible yields is important. You can either do it or pay someone and hope they can do it for you.

    Take house prices. The fundamentals made buying unprofitable in 2007 and again after 2010. There was a price fall in 2008/9 and some buyers got in and made capital gains.

    From 2010 on the yields just didn't add up as prices rose. 6% to 8% is a fundamental fair value level for returns from housing in my opinion.

    If you can buy under fundamental value you stand a chance as an investor. Most people simply don't have the patience to buy smart. The level of greed indicates exactly how many investors and speculators will jump in where angels fear to tread and when they look to be losing jump out again causing a bust.

    During the jumping out the steady investor will be waiting for fundamental value levels to be breeched so they can move in. It's called value investing or "smart money".

    I agree we don't need to waste money on a RC but to regulate and remove both private operators and shareholders from basic service provision in childcare and aged care.

    These services should never be for profit in my opinion.
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:37am
    WELL! There were two categories in my discussion - shareholders and investors.... what part of the twain shall never meet do you not understand?

    (small words) Shareholders are those who buy shares in a 'venture' - investors are those who put their money in for the operation of that 'venture'- my question was - why should shareholders be put first and not those who stake their money in an investment?

    Quite different, you know... and the investors rely on ethical advice.. and when that ethical advice is not there - they are being robbed.

    Shareholders in the venture are playing the poker machine.... zero guarantee of a return...
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2018
    12:44am
    Jesus Trebor
    I have an IQ of 148 and a finance professional (in my younger days , which by the way was not that long ago) and I still can’t make sense of what you’re saying
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    11:06am
    Goes to show how over-rated IQs are ........

    You don't understand the difference between an investor and a shareholder? An investor places money in trust to accrue profit - a shareholder.... buys shares in the attempt to make profit using investor's money. The shareholder receives remuneration from dividends - the investor receives what is left over on his/her investment after costs and fees etc and what the 'investment operator' deems they are worth... it's a very subtle difference to those with no subtlety...
    Old Geezer
    19th Sep 2018
    11:55am
    Trebor investors and shareholders are the same thing.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    11:31am
    This is a far more needed Royal Commission than the banking one was as people's lives are being affected badly by those who run these despicable places. I have no desire to be in one where the only thing to do is starve yourself to death in order to shorten the misery of such places.
    maelcolium
    17th Sep 2018
    11:33am
    Spoken from the LNP cheer squad.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    11:34am
    You really think the current reforms are going to make them any better? Certainly not for the inmates.
    Swinging voter
    17th Sep 2018
    11:48am
    I agree with OG. While the banking RC has shown up some very bad practices, the aged care RC is going to show horror upon horror, just as the institutional child abuse inquiries did. Nursing homes are, in the main, an option/necessity that puts fear into elderly vulnerable hearts and minds. All the money in the world won't rectify careless/cruel staff conduct and management carelessness. How do you find and train people with sincerely good hearts? And while they are looking at that, someone should have a damned good look at the slop delivered up by meals on wheels. That "service" is done by tender so money once again is a determining factor. The volunteers are wonderful people, but from what I've seen the food isn't what old people deserve.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:14pm
    Correct maelcolium. OG is a rusted on employee. Probably an ex coalition MP now being paid for what they call 'services to the Liberal Party'. No credibility as all you get is comments devoid of facts. That's what trolls do!
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:07pm
    How much have the ALP paid you this week Troll MICK?
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    1:09pm
    Mick I just love it when people try to put me down as I know I am right as they don't have a decent reply to give.
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:25pm
    Why is MICK such an unhappy person, I think his wife should get a Victoria Cross at least.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:06pm
    The paid Lieberal troll comedy duo - OG and roy.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:30am
    My mother in law did exactly that Og. Starved herself to death in the nursing home. It was so terrible a place with the elderly sitting like zombies either depressed or drugged just waiting to die. Nobody talking to one another.

    As a teen I did church service in a local nursing home and it was a brilliant place. Warm,full of light, comfortable and the delicious morning and afternoon teas made the task rewarding. The older people would talk about their experiences and talk to one another too.

    There was a kitchen and paid and volunteer staff to cook meals and treats on site.

    It was community owned and run.

    How did we get from there to here should be the questions and how do we get back.

    I agree meals on wheels is also terrible. Providing healthy and palatable food to tempt older palates should be the least of the concerns but it's not.

    A part of the problem is our refusal to contemplate nursing home care. We have been very vocal in our refusal to contemplate it after seeing how our parents have been treated recently. They saw the good days though with some of their elderly when it was about caring and protecting and not about money.
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:38am
    Very sad, Rae.. my aunt curled up and died shortly after my cousin died of breast cancer.... I still think it broke her heart... she just didn't eat properly and just died.
    patti
    17th Sep 2018
    11:45am
    Elder abuse has been a concern for many years, and not really addressed as it should be. I can only imagine what horrors a Royal Commission will uncover, but it is long overdue.
    HS
    17th Sep 2018
    11:49am
    Does this mean funding cuts could be responsible for the aged care sector cutting corners?
    Irrespective of funding cuts there is no excuse for the inhumane conduct, for the blatant disregard of duty of care by Aged Care Nursing Home owners, management and of all the people, the aged care nursing staff. Absolutely appalling and criminal !
    4,000 people have a story of horror to tell of criminal neglect and criminal assault against vulnerable sick nursing home patients.
    It is also very concerning that some of the criminal perpetrators of manslaughter and criminal abuse in nursing homes are staff of ethnic background.
    musicveg
    17th Sep 2018
    1:08pm
    Next we will hear from Scomo that he will up the funding to aged care will we?
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:29pm
    When are all these wonderful, mega-enriching for their 'owners' businesses going to stand on their own two feet, and the government, instead of subsidising their mega-profit, going to compel the market forces to compel the 'owners' to accept lesser incomes?

    Talk about WELFARE for business....

    'funding for aged care'? The only funding for aged care from government should go to the NFP sector... the rest - like the banks etc these days - are already excellent at sucking the last drop of blood out of an aged person.

    What kind of nation have we become.... with all these johny-come-lately's getting the cream run....???
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:33pm
    ADDS:- this kind of 'funding' is like 'foreign aid' - wherein 90%+ goes into the pockets of the latest warlord or mandarin who takes over running a 'poor' nation, and is added to his/her fat funding for life.

    Why is the government donating money to the profit of business? I thought business was 'more efficient' (falls about laughing), and was strong and independent (sounds like women these days, eh?), and that 'market forces prevail' and so forth.

    It would be cheaper for the government itself to run the operation at first hand..... no shareholders to pay apart from the inmates (the kriegies) and the general public from whom the need to support handsomely investors would vanish.

    Cheaper all round....
    retvilldotnet
    17th Sep 2018
    12:00pm
    There are many reasons why the Royal Commission into Aged Care should include Retirement Villages but I would like to draw your attention to one critical matter.

    The industry direction for residential Aged Care and Retirement Villages is a closer relationship and where possible a joint facility where the operator is a registered care provider, providing in home care to the residents of the retirement village section.

    This leads to aged Australians spending a longer period in a retirement village and a shorter period in residential aged care. Critically this will mean older Australians will spend most of their latter years under State Government legislation rather than Commonwealth legislation.

    Professor Tim Kyng from Macquaire University and Paul Latimer from the Swinburne Law School have both made persuasive arguments for retirement villages to come under federal law.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3030570 -

    https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/SCLSI/Retirement_Housing/FINAL-SCLSI-RHS-16112016-MU.pdf

    https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/SCLSI/Retirement_Housing/RH-Presentation-16112016-MU.pdf

    The proposed Royal Commission should at a minimum look into whether retirement villages, for the reasons outlined in the material above, should come under Commonwealth law.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:15pm
    Good post. Thank you.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:35pm
    Indeed - good post....
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:03pm
    I know of one old lady who had all the help she needed at home and wished to stay there until she died. However her family decided that a nursing home was a better place for her. They took her to various ones but she kept saying no she was happier at home. So one day they organised an ambulance type vehicle to take her to a nursing home. She apparently cried all night as she felt she had been imprisoned against her will and died of a broken heart the next day. Our old folk deserve much better than this.
    KSS
    17th Sep 2018
    12:43pm
    Surely this is an example of elder abuse at the hands of the woman's family not the aged care facility. A situation that is far more prevalent than many would like to acknowledge and one that is unlikely to be within the terms of reference of a Royal Commission.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    12:45pm
    Sounds like the family wanted her assets
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    1:00pm
    No her family did not want her assets as they were all much wealthier than she was. It just shows that many people do not wish to be in such facilities. I myself would not want to be placed anywhere near one.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:12pm
    The family were probably LNP voters - ruled by GREED.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    4:15pm
    Knows -a-lot , please confine yourself to constructive comments , not labor party trolling

    If anything the family would be labor supporters - you know the ones who want to steal from other taxpayers who actually worked for their money
    Old Man
    17th Sep 2018
    12:06pm
    What is needed in the aged care industry is better policing of the existing regulations and this means more funding for qualified inspectors. I presume that a Royal Commission will disclose this as well as a tighter system of penalties. There are horror stories in the media on a regular basis but I am certain that the large majority of nursing homes are well run. Those board members in charge of the facilities which bring disrepute to the industry should be penalised by being barred from holding any board position for a period of years.

    I had two family members who finished their days in nursing homes in a country town and the care and attention given to them was excellent. Just like any group, be they police, sportspeople, politicians or public servants, it is best to pinpoint those who are doing the wrong thing and not tar everyone with the same brush.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:16pm
    New icon. Cockroach? Why does that not surprise me.
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:32pm
    Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning MICK?

    Please tell us why you are such an unhappy person.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:37pm
    Now, now, Mick - OM is often on the money and pretty fair... if you stop and think for a while, you are pretty close to being on the same side.

    Ebergeezer, on the other hand, has posted his 'right hand - left hand' approach for the day... but he is not OM.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:14pm
    Mick is unhappy, roy, because your Lieberal mates are destroying this once-great country.
    Old Man
    17th Sep 2018
    4:36pm
    Aw gee MICK, as you have got personal let me point out that your icon is spot on. It has you showing just one eye.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:44am
    Strangely nursing homes out in the country are often far better. Ageism doesn't seem to be a phobia and I suppose it's because people know one another well. The carers also seem more inclined to spend time with people and cook proper food and such.

    Maybe packing people into sprawling cities effects us and makes us less humane somehow.

    Ageism and racism seems to be part of the problem. Maybe poorly paid immigrants also resent those they see as "wealthy" and there is an issue there? Will a RC examine this? I doubt it.
    Ragamuffin
    17th Sep 2018
    12:08pm
    I worked in aged care ,in several parts of WA. I loved it! I am an RN, now retired. I miss my patients!. My parents were both in care- different aged care homes. My father accepted where he was, and didn't fight it. He entertained his co residents by playing the violin.
    My mother fought it -every step of the way. Nothing was ever done to her satisfaction. So her experience and treatment was very different. As a senior nurse I was well aware of funding constraints, but we made do. I found working with the residents rewarding and fulfilling. Some of the staff treated the whole job as something they just put up with, as if it was a means to an end(salary). I believe education, and enough time to work properly, without pressure are as important. Funding=enough staff= education will work.
    I hope Morrison, Wyatt and crew end up in a funding starved nursing home.!
    RAGAMUFFIN.
    MICK
    17th Sep 2018
    12:20pm
    The recent footage comes after a number of releases the same. THAT is the issue.
    For your information I have not heard anybody ever say that their loved one was being well looked after. Rather you get the normal comments about them being grubby and not fed properly with the interaction between staff and nursing home inmates being generally hidden. The bruises do tell a story though.
    Your post sounds like an insider protecting those who do the wrong thing.
    And yes these places are understaffed and underfunded. Can't put money into aged care though as the top end of town need tax cuts to buy another Point Piper mansion. You need to put things into perspective Ragamuffin!
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:34pm
    Why are you not our Prime Minister MICK, you are so knowledgeable on so many subjects?
    Please tell me, there must be a future for you in politics and you would get into power so easily, why are you not a politician?
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:17pm
    Better MICK as PM than the morons currently running the country into the ground.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:50am
    Yes MICK the current situation is appalling. It seems that people have given up doing the right thing everywhere though. Maybe a decade of stagnating wages, rising costs, inability to change or influence anything is slowly destroying our communities.

    The Drum last night had a positive take that we should once again band together to force change. And refuse to worry about those who criticise the momentum for change because they are doing okay and profiting from the decline we see around us or simply fear of change itself.
    Drewbie
    17th Sep 2018
    12:08pm
    I believe a Royal Commission into Managed Aged Care is woefully overdue. It should fully encompass investigation of all areas of the sector from physical abuse, to management practices & financial rorting of " next generation clients " who only desire the best affordable care for their aged parent or parents.

    Case in point: My mother " aged 87 " has in recent weeks been placed in
    " managed care " due to personal incapacity. Her four children discussed & used at length, including " including home visitation assisted care (more than 2 years) what options we had in gaining the best affordable care moving forward. { Fully Paid Up Managed Care, RAD included } would have cost our mother & us an upfront payment ranging from $300,000 > least to $400,000 + > highest; depending on where she was placed locally.

    Even the least figure would have enforced the sale of two homes - mine & my sister's, forcing our respective families into the less quality accommodation rental market; just to adequately fund our mother's care

    We now " rent the room " my mother is in, therefore no RAD paid & only the daily care charge applies. And that ain't cheap either, to coin a phrase.

    Only the filthy rich can afford such obscenely exorbitant, extortional upfront RAD's despite the often stated comment, well the resident's estate gets all that back " after they die ". Big deal! The fact is that, " Not Really - only what's left ". The managed care provider pools all RADs & enjoys significant interest returns wherever they invest it; compared to the average hard-working Joe Blogs who does the same thing with a decent portion of his hard-earned.

    Because of " un-affordability across the board " RADS should be permanently abolished Australia wide & only a daily charge incurred based purely on the aged resident's care needs.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:24pm
    No you don't get anywhere near the initial RAD back but the facilities has the money interest free for the whole time thus making a fortune at the expense of the elderly.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:40pm
    By George, OG - you are outdoing yourself - shows what you can do when you are on the side of the angels in a discussion....

    I applaud you..
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    2:46pm
    I am always on the side of the angels it is others who are tempted by the devil.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    11:16pm
    Then take hold of the program 100%....
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:55am
    Very few will be able to afford this and why should the parents home be sold to fund what is basically a hostel type accommodation with minimum wage employees. It's blatant greed that has been government sponsored through legislation capture.
    Old Geezer
    19th Sep 2018
    1:11pm
    Be far cheaper to mortgage the house and pay for a nurse instead.

    17th Sep 2018
    12:20pm
    Morrison’s announcement has nothing to do with the ABC program. Was a result of a study commissioned deny the government .
    The ABC program timing is a coincidence or someone sympathetic to the other side leaked the study to the ABC
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:20pm
    Sure... Another flock of pigs flew over.
    Fisherman
    17th Sep 2018
    12:24pm
    I am cynical enough to believe this Royal Commission will take a lot of the heat off the Banking Royal Commission, and ScoMo can kill 2 birds with the one stone! Elder abuse and shortages of trained staff are rife in the aged care industry. Privatization has made it easier for the government to outsource the provision of aged care and treat recipients as commodities, similar to prisoners in outsourced facilities. APRA can't regulate the Banks and the Aged Care minister can't regulate that industry either. Additional funding for the Aged Care sector will give ScoMo the excuse to change the GST rate; just watch this space!
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:29pm
    Hopefully it will as aged care is far more important than banking. People's lives are at stake here not mere money.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:21pm
    They're BOTH important.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    8:08pm
    Money is no good to you when you are 6 feet under.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    11:18pm
    It is to those you love and care for and want better for......

    Must be my Chinese great-grandmother.......
    HS
    18th Sep 2018
    5:50am
    Don't worry OG, AMP will get your money and feed themselves of it.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    8:59am
    Privatisation has failed just about everywhere. Not only does it not save tax dollars but it is also far less efficient and open to abuse.

    Time for communities to take back childcare and aged care provision and run not for profit and with volunteers to keep paid staff honest.
    Eddy
    17th Sep 2018
    12:37pm
    This RC is long overdue but, and I may be accused of looking a gift horse in the mouth, I rather suspect the primary concern of the government in instituting the RC into aged care is to attempt to divert attention away from their mishandling of the financial sector (ie banks, insurers and superannuation funds). I think the government has concluded that fewer people are affected by the abuses in the aged care sector than by the abuses by financial sector. Many of the people who are potentially affected by the financial sector do not really care that much about aged care. Therefore by giving the people something else to hear about on the nightly news is politically advantageous with an election looming.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:55pm
    Many people see those affected by the banking sector as people who are looking for a scapegoat instead of blaming themselves for their own greed. Many also feel that they will eventually have to pay more for their banking products due the these people failing to take a duty of care with their finances. Just ask anyone wanting a housing loan today how much more difficult it is compared to the last time they wanted a housing loan. Unfortunately some of these people are getting loans from second rate lenders and the whole lot will eventually blow up in all our faces.
    KSS
    17th Sep 2018
    12:58pm
    "I rather suspect the primary concern of the government in instituting the RC into aged care is to attempt to divert attention away from their mishandling of the financial sector..."

    Seriously Eddy? Then Mr Morrison could not have picked a worse vehicle for diverting attention. Absolutely nothing good will be said about aged care services and we need to brace from some truly shocking revelations. Calling for this Royal Commission now virtually guarantees a report due at about the time of the next election and it is not going to be pretty; the media is going to have an absolute 'field day' for months beforehand starting this week with the 4 Corners broadcast. Given the inevitable bad press coming Mr Morrison's way, I think it is a courageous move he has made. There is really nothing in this Royal Commission for either him or the current Government.

    17th Sep 2018
    12:43pm
    Royal commission under 8 years of Rudd Gillard Dudd - 0
    RC’s since LNP took office - Bankinh, Insurance , Superannuation and now Aged Care

    So tell me which party actually cares for the people and wants to correct any excesses - real or perceived

    I don’t agree with the RC’s into banking and super and insurance as it’s a complete waste of money and was driven by the selfish opposition to scare people to buy cheap votes . But it’s done now , nothing of great significance came out of it , and so we move on
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    12:52pm
    We need an RC into union corruption next
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    12:56pm
    RC into unions is even longer over due.
    roy
    17th Sep 2018
    1:06pm
    We need an RC into the background of Shifty Shorten and his ilk.
    musicveg
    17th Sep 2018
    1:10pm
    and who gets paid when they have a RC? What about the cutting back of funding?
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    2:45pm
    We've had an RC into unions, fullahs - it came up empty.... not a thing to hang on Shorten or Gillard and very.... VERY... few worthwhile charges....

    Most of these things can be done without a Royal Commission (as Neville Wran famously said - you never call an RC unless you already know the answer), and can and should be properly addressed using legislation and regulation based on common sense and collected knowledge.

    Far cheaper to employ some more inspectors and institute random visits etc BEFORE wasting another $100m or so on a Royal Commission.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    3:21pm
    Qui Bono? Which old mate will be given the 'job' of commissioner this time?
    Swinging voter
    17th Sep 2018
    4:11pm
    Trebor, the RC into unions was a joke. I believe many persons were "protected" because the can of worms was being prised open, threatening to reveal too many people in high places and they couldn't possibly have that, could they. However there's an investigative journalist called Michael Smith (of Michael Smith News) who, in tandem with retired Det. Dave McAlpine (who was deeply involved with the AWU WRA case before it was "canned"), is about to jointly file a private criminal prosecution against Julia Gillard for what is to be alleged deliberately false and misleading evidence given under oath to the Trade Union Royal Commission. If anyone thinks her role as a lawyer with her union boyfriend's role in the AWU WRA scandal is over and slid under the Union RC's radar, it might turn out that we should all think again.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:24pm
    Wow, the paid Lieberal shills are out in force today.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    4:27pm
    Ah -I'll be interested to hear more about that one, Swinging... there was certainly plenty of smoke around that AWU thing..

    Knowing and proving are two different things... and thinking is not quite knowing...

    I'm happy to see nasties of all kinds done down...
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    4:29pm
    Correct Swinging Voter
    Had the RC been allowed to issue a free and fair report , a lot of current and ex union officials and labor politicians would be behind bars
    to prevent a total collapse of our democracy and avoid a constitutional crisis,the whole thing was swept under the carpet
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    11:26pm
    Wait one, olbie - an RC commissioned by a group interested in a negative result, commanded that a negative result would not be forthcoming as a free and fair report??

    ... and that somehow that means the RC was 'compromised' by those it was meant to crucify???

    HUH?????

    What yo' bin smokin', mah man?
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    11:31pm
    Trebor Trebor Trebor
    Trying to whitewash the truth with a bunch of lies and misdirection again

    Either that your minds just foggy from insufficient oxygen. Some good ole 420 should clear it ma brutha
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:22pm
    It's obvious it is not I suffering from a brain shortage of anything or am trying to 'whitewash' anything - not a lie or misdirection in anything I said there. YOU, on the other hand:-

    "Had the RC been allowed to issue a free and fair report , a lot of current and ex union officials and labor politicians would be behind bars "

    So - you claim the Libs called a royal commission to get stuck into Labor and unions, and then buried the result and as a result Labor and Union people, the very people they were hunting and who, according to you, should be behind bars ... are not? Or the royal commissioner, an old mate of Big Tony - buries the result and falsified the hearings?

    So who' prevented a free and fair report'? Conspiracy theory much?

    That kind of 'reasoning', my son borders on the totally insane....

    Oh - and no need to apologise for your chosen work...... we're a pretty forgiving lot.
    Blossom
    17th Sep 2018
    12:56pm
    Under Govt. regulations they set the ratio of staff member to number of patients.
    What isn't taken into consideration is than in some cases 2 staff members are needed to handle a patient who has limited movement. As a result of that a patient can be left sitting on a bed pan or commode for 25 + minutes. In many places staff almost run from patient. I know a lady who did relief work at some nursing homes. At one of them she did the "drug run". By the time she finished at one end, it was time to start at the beginning again. Some of the patients would have liked to chat but doing that meant other medications ran late. She was reported for administering eyes drops 5 minutes early at one nursing home. Had she not stopped on her way back to the beginning the eye drops would have been a lot later than 5 minutes. At some facilities issues relate directly to lack of staff. In some cases staff are in the wrong career -their bedside manner is disgraceful and patients are not treated with respect. We had an issue with one nurse who constantly swore at my Great Aunty who eventually got very upset about it. My Mum told the nurses involved that my Great Aunty was not used to that. My Great Aunty didn't mind, in fact she sometimes offered lollies to the staff. She was never given a lot to start off with so she couldn't have eaten too many. One day Mum went to see her and all of them had been taken away from her. She had had a small packet of lollies for nearly 2 weeks so she couldn't have eaten too many. She didn't have Diabetes and was in her late 80s. The staff wouldn 't give them back to her so she want down to the Doctor's surgery to leave a message. He happened to walk out and overhear the conversation so he called my Mum in to talk to him. He was furious as they weren't impacting on her health or behaviour at all(she was always very placid). When Mum visited again a few days later she had been given them back. My Great Aunty didn't offer them as much after that.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    1:05pm
    I rang a nursing home and asked if a relative was back from hospital as they weren't answering their phone. I was told yes they were and that they were probably out of their room somewhere and to ring them back later. I got a call from the relative later that day to say they had just arrived back from the hospital. Surely a nursing home would know where a person was at all times.
    musicveg
    17th Sep 2018
    1:02pm
    Why not just spend the money on putting CTV cameras in all aged care? We know the abuse is happening in some places but will anyone be prosecuted? Also what about staff to patient numbers? More training for aged care workers, better quality and not just those who can't get a job elsewhere and end up resenting their jobs. A lot has to be done, but will a royal commission that costs millions be worth it if nothing changes?
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    1:11pm
    Ever wondered why when a crime is committed CTVs are never working?
    rina1213
    17th Sep 2018
    1:23pm
    I work in Aged Care part time and I am appalled how any government can strip more than a Billion $ add more checks and think that everything will be Ok I have been in this industry over 20 years and can say that I have not see any outright abuse. But I have seen residents fall, not been changed(nappy), not eat their full meal, not receive their meds on time etc etc and all because of NOT ENOUGH STAFF, NOT ENOUGH TIME. It is time for a change but NOT a Commission !!!! at that huge cost that will benefit no one !!!! WE NEED MORE STAFF AND MORE MONEY in the front line !!!!
    HS
    17th Sep 2018
    1:57pm
    Really, rina1213?
    Millions have seen physical abuse in nursing homes on national TV but YOU haven't? Who are you kidding?
    So, you haven't heard about a nursing home nurse who murdered several nursing home aged people by starting a fire?
    4,000 people have a horror story to tell about the abuse and neglect in nursing homes but you're like Alice in Wonderland?
    Not enough staff? Nah! Not enough humane respect for ageing people from nursing home OPERATORS & STAFF!!! That's where the problem is! Not shortage of funds, not shortage of staff. Staff who run these nursing homes like Nazi concentration camps.
    Own the problem, don't try to excuse it!!!!!!!
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    9:33am
    Staffing levels are down everywhere. A lot of time being spent on computer systems that don't work properly either.

    I'm surprised we haven't had a major health incident through the cleaning contract system alone that has decimated numbers of cleaners and reduced time allowed for cleaning. Maybe we have and it's being covered up. Certainly super bug deaths are being concealed in the hospital system.

    It's all about profits now and it's not that great.

    Stressed staff will abuse and yeas cutting a billion here and a few billion there and collapsing staff numbers will eventually create chaos.

    Get volunteers back in again to help out and make sure the staff numbers allow the jobs to be done properly once again.
    Old Geezer
    19th Sep 2018
    11:52am
    Way too much paper work and cost involved to volunteer to do anything these days.
    Jennie
    17th Sep 2018
    2:58pm
    Abuse occurs in retirement villages too. The meaning of abuse is not fully understood. It is not only physical. In a retirement village it is emotional, harassment, financial, and deceit coming from the management.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    3:23pm
    Indeed it is - they have no hesitation in telling any 'dissident' that it is they who own the property and make all the rules....

    You'll never catch me in one or in a nursing home ... show me that horizon and you'll find me tied to the wheel of The Black Pearl or whatever...
    sunnyOz
    17th Sep 2018
    3:07pm
    I worked in a Nursing Home for 6 months (as admin) - and it was 6 months too long. What I saw absolutely appalled and disgusted me, and scared me off for life. Owners were solely interested in profits first, care came way down the ladder. Got told off for ordering 2 reams of photocopy paper when we had totally run out. Had to write down in a book every phone call made and to whom. Morally and ethically I could no longer stay there, and walked out when I was asked to wait an extra week for my pay. That was the third time too.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    3:13pm
    CAPTAIN Pat Sparrow??? From Pirates Of The Carer Region - Dead Man's Treasure Chest?

    *joking.. joking*
    Jennie
    17th Sep 2018
    3:43pm
    The worst offenders are the for-profit nursing homes. These are the ones that have "extras." Extras does NOT mean extra care.
    If you MUST choose a nursing home, choose a not-for-profit one. These tend to be the ones run by various church organisations. Personally I find Health funds, nursing homes, and child care centres that are for-profit unethical from the word go.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    3:55pm
    Agree they pay themselves first and then try to make do with what is left.
    TREBOR
    17th Sep 2018
    4:29pm
    And the government pays them subsidies that they slot away against a rainy day instead of improving services....
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    3:45pm
    If the Lieberals have anything to do with it, expect a whitewash. Anyway, their funding cuts to the sector - as well as the greed of providers - would feature as a prominent cause of the problems.
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    3:51pm
    It is not the funding that causes the issues but what happens to that funding that is the problem.
    HS
    17th Sep 2018
    4:07pm
    Inhumane nature is the problem there is no other issue.
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:35pm
    OG, your Lieberal mates cut MILLIONS out of funding the sector. That is a huge part of the problem.
    Old Geezer
    19th Sep 2018
    5:15pm
    What about all the money they expect people to contribute to their nothing more than a hostel style bed? It doesn't cost a million for such a room with a bed at all. Just fleece the oldies when they have no other choice. Bring in euthanasia as an alternative to these sub standard places.
    floss
    17th Sep 2018
    4:07pm
    These are the people that built Australia and in some cases fought for it they deserve our help, at least a royal commission and perhaps a royal commission about the Liberal Party as well.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    4:10pm
    RC on the liberal party ?
    What are you smoking ?
    Knows-a-lot
    17th Sep 2018
    4:36pm
    Smoking nothing. RC is correct. The Liberal Party deserves to be totally destroyed.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2018
    4:39pm
    Stop being a typical labor troll posting rubbish Knows-a-lot.
    Try and engage your brain . Might help if you hade some LNP supporters as your friends
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    6:37pm
    Knows-a-lot knows nothing as he will be the first to whinge when Labor is even worse that the LNP.
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    11:11am
    Hm - an RC into the LNP... that could have merit.... all those shady connections coming out.... bet more fun than the banking one...

    Federal ICAC anyone? Shortenski has stated a Labrador government will create one...... damn - he must have a lot to hide....
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2018
    6:19pm
    I watched a few minute4s of question time today. It appears that Labor is opposed to the RC into aged care?? Why??
    Old Geezer
    17th Sep 2018
    6:36pm
    They must have a lot to hide.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2018
    11:57am
    You don't suppose? I recall back in 2013 under the Gillard government, Bill Shorten was instrumental in negotiating a wage increase of $46 pw for aged care workers with an additional boost to union membership. Wasn't it worth something in the order of $1.3b of taxpayers money?
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:53am
    Probably got shares - politicians are like that - them or their family have shares.... can't pollute the bread basket, can we?
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:56am
    Ummmm - Adrie - part of the problems seems to be underpaid workers... so Shorten gets them a pay rise.... and is now the villain?

    How was it costing $1.3Bn of taxpayer's money? The government doesn't pay the pay rise..... more subsidies to the aged care organisations?
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    7:55am
    Strange how both childcare and aged care were far better when community owned and run. Seems privatisation is the one element that fails every time. It increases inefficiency and prices which is the opposite of the theoretical ideology of the idea.
    Old Geezer
    18th Sep 2018
    9:51am
    Privatisation takes their profit first and then leaves their employees insufficient money to mange the facilities.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2018
    12:03pm
    Rae, the common denominator isn't private enterprise, it is government intervention using taxpayers money to incentivise an industry. These acts of cruelty in the guise of good intentions are the real problem. Pink Batts, People Smuggling, Child Care, Aged Care.
    Rae
    18th Sep 2018
    2:55pm
    Pink Batts killed 4 workers but 46 construction workers are dead already this year because the Building Industry is so negligent. I have a few friends who love their pink batts and made sure they were legitimate suppliers using Australian product. It's saved them heaps on heating and cooling bills.

    Using tax dollars for private business is fraught with danger. It is everywhere now and billions are being lost to corruption and waste. Private Enterprise is not the problem but government sponsored private enterprise certainly is. Spending other people's money is always a bad idea if you want to avoid waste, fraud and failure.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2018
    5:55pm
    So you didn't mean to say.."Seems privatisation is the one element that fails every time." ??
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    12:58am
    Privatisation is a failed experiment, due to massive increases in costs to the end user and no gains in service.

    Discussion ends.....
    Adrianus
    19th Sep 2018
    7:27am
    Privatisation with taxpayer funded cashflow increases costs. As Rae eluded to, "billions are being lost to corruption and waste." Why would an enterprise need efficiencies when the cashflow is guaranteed in truck loads. Employment agencies. Discussion will be ongoing on this one for years to come.
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    11:17am
    Fair point... there are certain people who've become very wealthy by getting in on the ground floor of future massive subsidies by government... insider trading anyone?

    Only in recent times have I heard of a 'business sell-off' with a guarantee attached to it of endless profit into the indefinite future - until privatisation came along...
    Geminiwoman
    18th Sep 2018
    9:36am
    If they think they will find horror stories in some of the aged care facilities in the cities, get them to come out to Orange NSW and visit some of those so called "aged care" facilities, especially interviewing some of the residents. Horror stories is all they'll hear.
    patty
    18th Sep 2018
    12:19pm
    My Father who recently died aged 91 fell out of bed in the nursing home in the middle of winter at night and was left on the cold floor all battered and bruised for over 9 hours (yes 9 hours), he nearly died when this happened and was hospitalised with severe injuries, he was never the same again and suffered for the next year. The night staff were sacked and there was never any investigation. So I say a royal commission is needed.
    HS
    18th Sep 2018
    3:33pm
    Gross negligence from the nursing home operators and its staff!
    Big Kev
    18th Sep 2018
    5:30pm
    Having worked on the Deptly side of the coin, we need minimum staffing ratios for RN, EN, Personal Carers and Diversional therapists, plus allocated physiotherapist hours. We need a requirement that a fixed percentage of income including bond interest be spent on care rather than on the next building in the empire. We need buildings designed for care not care designed for buildings. We had advice that physical and chemical restraint constitued assualt in most states, so people were involved in activities relevant tk their history. Industry self regulation which is what Standards Agency basically is, doesn't work. An independant public service overseer is what is needed, but then this Govt cuts Centrelink staff so that is hoping for too much. Centrelink does financial assessments but these are often delayed due to overwork. A number of supplements such as the dementia care Supplement have been cut recently meaning people are kept in bed where depression breaks down their mental abilities or they are medicated which actually promotes behaviours that diversional therapy and a little petsonal communication could overcome.
    TREBOR
    19th Sep 2018
    1:00am
    **applause*

    Very well said, Big Kev.
    ex PS
    21st Sep 2018
    9:13am
    My wife worked in the industry as a Diversional Therapist, she left due to constant pressure from the Manager who was untrained as a manager and had no industry experience constantly trying to divert her from her duties in that position in order to cut staffing and costs to the company.
    A Diversional Therapist is not an extra cleaner or waiter, their purpose is to provide for the physical and emotional well being of the client. She like many other qualified people have left the industry rather than see the quality of life of the clients slowly deteriorate before their eyes. The lack of ethics and empathy from facility managers not only effects the clients, it has a long lasting effect on those who work in the industry and care for those in the system.
    Sophie
    20th Sep 2018
    1:16pm
    Formal enquiries..Royal Commission..stringent regulations..all necessary..

    However.. something needs to be done NOW..people are suffering right now..

    Write and phone to MPs..pester them ..one day many will end up in these horror institutions..so it's up to everyone to make their voices heard NOW...
    Old Geezer
    20th Sep 2018
    5:51pm
    Make euthanasia legal and then we wont need nursing homes.
    ex PS
    21st Sep 2018
    9:19am
    Self regulation, reduction of red tape, all things that sound good, until unscrupulous business people are let loose.
    Some things just have to be regulated and monitored, actually looking at how Big Business behaves, most things need to be regulated and monitored.
    Aged Care facilities are heavily subsidized by government, as such the government has a responsibility to ensure that our money is being spent on the right things. Any company or organisation that puts its hands out for tax payers money should be monitored as to the effective use of that money.


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