Sam Dastyari faces criticism for receiving dodgy donations

Labor Senator Sam Dastyari attacked by the Coalition for receiving “cash for comment”.

Sam Dastyari faces criticism for receiving dodgy donations

Labor powerbroker Sam Dastyari continues to face criticism for receiving donations from businesses with Chinese interests, with the PM calling it “cash for comment”.

Senator Dastyari has denied that his donations have swayed his views on the South China Sea issues, saying that he has always supported Labor’s stance on foreign policy.

“I support the Labor party position on the South China Sea dispute,” he told The Guardian.

The Senator has been under intense scrutiny since a donation of two bottles of wine was discovered last week. Mr Dastyari declared that the donated wine was worth $300 per bottle and that he ended up giving them to charity.

The gifts, which were later found to be Penfolds Grange valued at $600 per bottle, were donated by a company called Yuhu – the same company that had allegedly paid a $40,000 legal bill on behalf of Mr Dastyari before he became a Senator.

Although there have been claims that Sam Dastyari broke ‘ethical rules’, so far, his actions are within the rules of parliamentary entitlements.

This hasn’t prevented the Coalition from attacking Opposition Leader Bill Shorten for Mr Dastyari’s actions, with the Government calling on Mr Shorten to sack the embattled Senator.

Mr Shorten told Parliament that he had expressed his unhappiness at Mr Dastyari’s actions, but was sticking by his Senator.

“I’ve just said to him that he shouldn’t have done it and he said he won’t do it again,” said Mr Shorten.

Malcolm Turnbull, who is in China for the G20 Summit, has attacked Mr Shorten for defending Dastyari’s “right to take cash” while undermining Australia’s foreign policy.

“I’m here in China standing up for Australia,” said Mr Turnbull. “Back home, Bill Shorten is standing up for Sam Dastyari’s right to take cash from a company associated with a foreign government and then express a view on foreign policy that undermines the Australian government’s foreign policy which had been supported by Mr Shorten himself.”

Mr Turnbull is referring to Chinese media reports that Senator Dastyari’s stance on the South China Sea opposed the policy of his own party.

But Mr Dastyari has told the ABC that he fully supports Labor’s foreign policy, claiming: “I’m not responsible for how the Chinese media reports my comments.”

Since the donation scandal, Labor has again called on the Government to ban all foreign political donations. Two Coalition cabinet ministers, Steve Ciobo and Darren Chester, have suggested that political donations can only be made by individuals on the electoral roll – effectively banning donations from corporations and unions – a move Labor does not support. Labor does, however, support the expansion of full disclosure laws, to allow the public to see all donations made sooner than the current six-month embargo.

Read more at The Age.
Read more at The Guardian.

Opinion: A thinly veiled distraction

Senator Dastyari’s actions are indeed questionable, but one can’t help but think that this ‘saga’ is a thinly veiled distraction from the Coalition’s struggle to govern the country.

There are also elements of hypocrisy running rife through this attack on the Labor party. No one seems to be questioning the Coalition for selling off Australia’s dairy and agriculture industries to Chinese interests, or the way in which these deals have been done.

One thing is for sure: Sam Dastyari shouldn’t have taken the wine. He shouldn’t have allowed a Chinese company with links to the Chinese Government to settle legal debts on his behalf. He should have settled his own travel overspend. And yes, it is well past time that the Government banned all foreign political donations and looked into reducing the influence on our political systems by corporations and unions, both foreign and local.

But the Coalition is not without its own links with Chinese political donations. Why isn’t Mr Turnbull attacking his own Foreign Minister – someone with actual government influence – from receiving half a million dollars for the Western Australian division of the Liberal Party over the last two years from Chinese businessmen with links to the Chinese Government?

It’s a little more than two bottles of wine and a settled legal debt.

It’s also worth noting that Mr Dastyari is the one leading the charge against banks for corporate wrongdoing – a cause which goes against the Coalition’s interests. With that in mind, one can’t help but think that this may be a bit of a witch hunt.

Still, maybe the best move for Bill Shorten is to make an example of Sam Dastyari, that way he gives the Coalition one less excuse to not do its job.

The idea of limiting political donations to those on the electoral role seems a wise one. That way, only people who have a vote can donate to the cause. That way, we don’t have the threat of influence from corporations, unions and foreign interest.

Regardless, the Sam Dastyari saga is distracting the media, and the public, from the real issue at hand – a Government that is struggling to govern. The sooner this is put behind us, the sooner the Government can get to the business that they are paid by the Australian taxpayer to do – run the country. I for one can’t wait to see what it can do without further excuses.

What do you think of this affair? Should Bill Shorten sack Sam Dastyari? Is this a witch hunt? Should the Coalition deal with its own history of dodgy dealings with the Chinese before pointing the finger elsewhere?

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    Ted Wards
    6th Sep 2016
    10:15am
    Why should any politician receive any donations when they are paid to their job? Its quite simple it happens because the Australian public let it. Until we start making them more accountable he will continue to accept donations and if caught donate it. What is he keeping that we are not aware of? Time to make politicians fully accountable like any other worker in Australia.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    7:13am
    Ted Wards we are being kept in the dark just like the poor workers at Chiquita Mushrooms. They have nothing but contempt for our stupidity
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    10:54am
    Great point - if one of your employees was taking personal 'donations' of this kind in order to curry favour - and on the proviso that your company was an ethical one - he'd be sacked.

    How would it look if I went out and met with some outsiders and accepted dinners and rides and cash from them so as to discuss a deal, and without that being a benefit to my company?
    JAID
    10th Sep 2016
    3:07pm
    Agree on that. Frankly I don't see any harm if somebody is prepared to crack a bottle of anythign in welcome but there cannot be any need for gifts and there is a healthy parliamentary licence for travel if it is associated with the business at hand. The paleur of gain with deceit smells very like theft.

    Exactly what the senator did is no clearer than most things of this sort which get hyped up by the media but on the surface he should be very embarrassed or lose his job completely. The opposition leader should also be censured for trying to gloss over impropriety. It is too easy for cultures and countries to slip into corrupt government.

    Leon, even you appear to gloss this over; "...one can’t help but think that this ‘saga’ is a thinly veiled distraction from the Coalition’s struggle..." Nothing 'thin' about the deceit; and it is nothing to do with parties; it needs to be stopped.

    Some elsewhere who have glossed over this behaviour have gone so far as to suggest that Mr. Dastyari was Prime Minister material. Have we sunk so low?
    Kaz
    6th Sep 2016
    10:49am
    Perhaps he does need to make an example of him before any more skeletons come out of the closet, but at the same time as the LNP about the foreign minister issue as well as all the fureign ownership in Australia which remained quiet until recently. We are selling our future under the guise of free trade relationships.
    gravy
    6th Sep 2016
    4:58pm
    All these politicians continually quibbling over things that are just distractions from the important issues of the moment. Always we get these issues on both sides of the major political parties and I am sure even the crossbench are not immune from both foreign and domestic lobbyists peddling their wares at them trying to get favours.

    But in all of this I hark to that old saying "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones". That is, all sides could be equally tarnished so before they sling someones else's muck make sure their own house is clean and if it isn't don't judge lest yea be judged :-) Have I thrown enough adages in there.
    gravy
    6th Sep 2016
    4:59pm
    yea should be ye :-)
    Happy cyclist
    6th Sep 2016
    10:54am
    No doubt Dastyari has done the wrong thing but its a small amount compared to chopper-gate which was just the tip of that iceberg and chopper-gate was tax-payer's money too. You've got to laugh at Bronwyn criticising Dastyari when she did rorting on a scale which makes him look like a real amateur! He didn't rort as such, just foolishly allowed external interests to pay his bills.
    Kato
    6th Sep 2016
    10:59am
    Exactly what Cory Bernardi said nothing to go on he declared it and fixed it, isn't that the the scripted drone we hear from them all.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    11:05am
    Crime usually starts out with small transgressions like this and is why it is called "petty". Can this clown before his hand goes into the cookie jar again. He has shown he can't be trusted. Get rid of him before more of his ilk get in office.
    Kato
    6th Sep 2016
    11:32am
    to late Fast Eddie! politics is full of the grubby corrupt mongrels.
    Rational
    6th Sep 2016
    1:17pm
    Payments or donations to politicians and political parties are made for one reason only - to buy influence. As we know, it's a big part of the income stream for political parties and funds are provided by individuals, corporations and even, through a laundering process, foreign Governments. We can argue to pro and con of such a system but the key aspect is to ensure public visibility of all the payments. In Dastyari's case he formally disclosed the payment as required - that's how the media got on to it. Accepting the payment was poor judgement but not illegal. However, not too long ago the Coalition front bencher Stuart Robert visited China supposedly in a private capacity to support a trade deal of a "close personal friend" Mr Marks, who donated $2 million to the Liberal Party in recent years [Mr Robert also owns shares in Mr Marks' Evolution mining company]. However while there, Mr Robert gave a speech in his capacity as a Government minister to support the deal. Again not illegal but questionable judgement. These two examples are simply two of many and demonstrate the problems that flow from accepting political donations - at least Dastyari formally declared the support he received, Mr Robert's support on the other hand is no doubt via an improvement in the value of his share portfolio and thus is less obvious.
    phantom
    6th Sep 2016
    2:42pm
    Mr Happy, Would you get a chopper to work if it was in the rules, I'll bet you would. Do you hand back your overtime money, work public holiday for free, NO, just like everyone else you want to whinge about someone else s perks.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:00am
    Rational/phantom - ah, yes - the old 'it's within the rules' defence, eh? Missed by THAT much! .. and it's always been done that way, so it must be the right way.....

    Are we then supposed to reside the running of our nation and its interests in people who repeatedly show 'poor judgement', lacking even the sense to realise that accepting any such thing from a competing foreign government should rightly be considered a crime?

    All of this is a clear indication that the rules themselves are fatally flawed, and are in dire need of throwing out and complete overhaul.
    Kato
    6th Sep 2016
    10:57am
    The question Mal has failed to answer is how much influence Chinese donations made to the liebril party have influenced him and his cronies let alone any other party who has received donations, what he fails to see or even realise is that he is displaying the same behaviour that is making him come across as a complete imbecile to the Australian voter, god help
    him as to what overseas Governments think of him.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:09pm
    Why are you confusing "political donations " with personal gifts? Do you have a political bias?
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    12:32pm
    Kato, from all the stupid stunts and statements Talkbull has made I would think ANY head of government would think he was a condescending bozo who cannot govern but wouldn't even know which way is up. He is an embarrassment to Australia and an utter failure to it's people. A wonderful country going to the shithouse because of an inept, corrupt, egotistic, greedy government. Please God, help us.
    Tom Tank
    6th Sep 2016
    3:01pm
    There is, to me at least, a problem in trying to distinguish between money given to an individual and money given to a political party.
    The question being what can one individual do as compared to what a whole party can do.
    This country is on the cusp of becoming the most corruptly governed country in the OECD because of political donations.
    The LNP, as have been shown of late, are guilty of taking money from all and sundry, and probably the ALP are doing the same and "he who pays the piper calls the tune" is very true.
    Yes this character was downright stupid, and greedy, but no more so than the LNP, perhaps even less greedy than them.
    It would be fair to say that his actions have been a gift to the LNP and they are making the most of it.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:53pm
    People in public office must avoid like the plague even the slightest whiff of corruption... let alone a veritable typhoon of decaying putrescence.....

    So it's not hard to differentiate between a public figure and a private one...

    Was Sandman Sam on government or related business at the time (Yes - his expenses were mostly covered out of the public purse) ... ergo - he was acting as a public figure at the time.

    Guilty as charged.

    6th Sep 2016
    11:01am
    This sort of behaviour should be stopped in it's tracks immediately with no mitigation whatsoever. This short, slippery government clown should lose his position (I won't say "job" because he doesn't do anything) and an example made of this greedy unacceptable betrayal of trust. This is a typical example of what people with a hint of authority will do and should not be granted the chance to transgress again.
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    6th Sep 2016
    11:06am
    Sam the SHAM.
    Kali-G
    6th Sep 2016
    5:38pm
    Great Comment!!!!!
    PlanB
    6th Sep 2016
    11:09am
    IMO SACK HIM!
    4b2
    6th Sep 2016
    11:10am
    Bill should back Sammy all the way. He has complied with the rules by recording the gifts at the time. There is no rules in place for Sam not to accept these gifts. If the Libs have any evidence that Sam has given preferential treatment to the gift giving comp[anise they should table the evidence in Parliament. Otherwise this is just a distraction from their own shortcomings and lack of leadership. The have their own issues with corruption allegations still hanging over their own members, and the slush fund set up to launder donations from anybody. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:54pm
    Yes - back him all the way out the door......
    PlanB
    6th Sep 2016
    11:12am
    Also I remember Tony Burke spending quite a bit on some concert he went to and took his kids -- he never paid that back either -- that should be looked into as well
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    11:17am
    I have no respect for Sam Dastyari if he doesnt resign. I have also no respect for those who support him taking bribes while hypocritically lambasting the other side for committing lesser offences.
    “I’ve just said to him that he shouldn’t have done it and he said he won’t do it again,” said Mr Shorten."
    Well let's make sure he is not in a position to continue doing it!!!
    Sam obviously has a history of personally accepting "gifts."
    It's time for Shorten to throw a going away party for Sam.
    By the way, Labor and the Unions have been openly displaying hatred for the Chinese, but now we love them and we can understand why, when you count up the donations to both political parties.
    We are getting sold a pup people.
    PlanB
    6th Sep 2016
    11:54am
    Bloody oath we are being sold a pup by BOTH parties Frank
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:31pm
    Yes PlanB, but Sam Dastyari is only in one party! If a nurse is presented with a patient with a broken toe the last thing the nurse would do is try and round up all the broken toes.
    It's time we demanded that Shorten do his job!!
    Rae
    6th Sep 2016
    1:35pm
    It explains the blatant sales of taxpayer assets to Chinese business and Chinese Government at discount prices.

    If this is within the rules then the rules need to be changed.
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    1:52pm
    Normal coalition government grooming from you AGAIN Frank. You never change.
    Dastyari got his just deserts after humiliating Pauline Hanson on national TV and it seems that Dastyari is another muslim horror story albeit a refined one. I did support Dastyari but since he was re-elected I have seen another side to the man I do not like. The recent revelations are more a beat-up from a poorly performing government trying to get the public to focus on Labor rather its own lack of proper policies and abject failure.
    The donations issue is a side show and as one poster said above Datyari's indiscretion was minor when you compare to Bronwyn Bishop's huge cost to taxpayers which went on for years. And let's remember that Dastyari did declare the funds and wine and also was reported as giving away the Grange, some Leon must have missed.
    The wider issue here is that ALL political donations no matter where they come from need to be banned. End of problem....and maybe end of big business owning a political party and influencing the policies of both major parties. The Greens have that one right!
    Sen.Cit.90
    6th Sep 2016
    2:21pm
    Mick ,
    Am I understanding you correct
    'Quote';
    "I did support Dastyari but since he was re-elected I have seen another side to the man I do not like".
    You who is constantly telling us to vote for 'Independents' voted Labor???
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    2:53pm
    I support neither side Sen. Cit. You?
    I suggested people vote Independent as what else can one do with both sides wearing the King's New Clothes and selling out the country?

    FYI I voted Independent in the Lower House and put Dastyari second on the senate paper. Sorry if I implied otherwise. And you voted Liberal?
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    3:28pm
    Mick, just a slight problem with the wine given away; it was shown on his list of whatever as 2 bottles of $300 wine and whilst that is absolutely correct, it may have been more correct to mention that they were 2 bottles of $600 Penfolds Grange.

    In saying that, a minor point, I'd like to totally agree with your suggestion about all political donations being banned. I'd also like to ban all political advertising which would close the loophole around private parties running political ads themselves. I'd like to go back to the days before radio and TV and make those overpaid, underworked politicians go around their electorates and face voters where they live. Imagine a politician having to go to a town hall meeting and face the voters with their embarrassing questions. It would be like a big Q&A with a better audience.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:31pm
    Rae, I agree 100%. Why are people, with no Australian passport, donating to our political parties and buying expensive gifts, and paying their personal bills?????????
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:36pm
    Old Man, that is right!! and when a bottle of Grange is given to a Politician it becomes even more expensive!!!
    Malcolm Fraser could well have said.....There is no such thing as a free bottle of Grange. What was it really worth to US, you and me???
    gravy
    6th Sep 2016
    4:02pm
    Old Man maybe he pays $300 a bottle from the Parliamentary Bottle O? I think they get cheap booze still. And maybe the last time he bought some from somewhere it was $300. But anyway he declared it and got the figure wrong so he must amend it. I am sure at times we make mistakes in our calculations and we have to amend them, even on Tax Returns.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:06pm
    No, I used to be a wine and spirit merchant and a collector of Grange. You cannot buy a Grange for $300.
    maxchugg
    7th Sep 2016
    10:45am
    Mick, Pauline Hanson has to share some of the blame from the outcome on Q&A. If she wishes to effectively question Islamic activities and conduct she needs to get to know what she is talking about.
    She missed a great opportunity when Sam invited her to his house and even offered haram food. She might have pointed out that her objection to halal food is the Islamic tax that is now paid by anyone who purchases halal food in this country.
    When she was asked if she would have prevented a young Sam Dastyari from coming into this country as a refugee, she should have made it clear that if Sam was coming here wanting a better life, prepared to integrate and conform to our laws and customs, he would have been very welcome.
    But if he was coming with the intention of bringing with him the system that he was purporting to avoid, and not willing to integrate with our society, then he would not have been welcome.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:10am
    Yes, max - Pauline Hanson does need good writers and good training in presenting her case and responding on her feet. To some that inability is an attraction, showing her to be an ordinary person, unlike the slick snake oil salesman type of politicians who has all the prepared answers.

    But she does need some work and some good advisors and writers.... and she needs to shuffle off the mortally damaging coil of the 'redneck' kind of thing, such as 'hang 'em all - bloody criminals and dole bludgers' - while disregarding the grievous failures endemic in our 'judicial' system and our current lack of employment market.
    Cautious
    6th Sep 2016
    11:17am
    I like it when I see a Liberal politician do something wrong and it's like they have murdered everyone's grandmother.
    But when a Labour politician does something it's a mere "thinly veiled distraction".
    retroy
    6th Sep 2016
    11:46am
    Well said Cautious, and have you noticed that the lefties are conspicuous by their slumber, or absence, so even the must think that the issue is indefensible.
    Snowwhite
    6th Sep 2016
    1:46pm
    Cautious you're very one sided in your comments as you obviously support the Fascists. The most obvious thing to do is BAN ALL foreign donations to ALL political parties. But you might find that the Libs won't agree because of all the donations they get! For instance the $600,000 Julie Bishop received from the Chinese for the WA Liberal party. We could go on tit for tat but the foreign donations have to stop whether you like it or not. Only people on the electoral roll should be allowed to donate and it should be transparent immediately.
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    2:57pm
    I take your point Cautious.
    The issue is that both sides need to be PREVENTED from accepting donations in any form including to their families and after politics payments/employment.
    I do take the point above though when you compare Dastyari with Bishop it is chalk and cheese, but then O'Farrell copped it pretty hard and I can only justify that because he did not declare his Grange. Dastyari did.....and apparently gave the bottles away soon after. What I do not know is if they were full or empty at that stage.
    Cautious
    7th Sep 2016
    6:12pm
    That's very funny Snow White. I support the fascists. What I don't support is calling a spade a bulldozer,
    A term for you is Bully.
    But then I don't support name calling or "bullying" in any manner.
    Call me what you like, sexist, racist, fascist. The terms mean nothing anymore.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:12am
    Show - is that behind (partly) the Baird 'government' driving to have businesses allowed a vote? If they are registered voters they can donate?

    Always look very carefully under the sheep skin - when it comes to politicians here you need to clearly identify which kind of wolf you are buying....
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:14am
    Oh - and elsewhere I've been accused of 'fence-sitting' because I despise both major parties. I'd have thought that engaging the enemy in two directions is worthy of a George Patton... charging out with a pistol in either hand and a sabre in the other (as he once quoted).
    roy
    8th Sep 2016
    7:53pm
    MICK, I blame the top end of town.
    mIKER
    6th Sep 2016
    11:28am
    Sadly for the voters leading members of all Parties have been guilty of accepting funding from dubious sources. What is most annoying is that they are not prepared to do anything about it. Senator Bernardi is the lead attack dog on Dastyari, but he fails to mention that he voted against any changes to the legislation on donations.
    Like all the other hypocrites in Parliament Bernardi forget about Julie Bishop collecting hundreds of thousands in WA from Chinese sources, Sinodinos not knowing about NSW Free Enterprise slush fund when he was Party Treasurer or more personal abuse like Bronwyn Bishop, but it’s all within the rules.
    But no Parliamentarian will vote to change the rules and they just hope it will all blow over, till the next time. They are now proven to be rotten to the core.
    Ayin
    6th Sep 2016
    11:38am
    He is also very quiet about the $60,000 plus that Tony Abbott claimed for a trip he never made?
    PlanB
    6th Sep 2016
    11:58am
    Yep time we got rid of the bloody lot of these 2 lots I am fed up to the back teeth with their dishonesty and corruption and carrying on like bloody kindergarten kids none of them could run a bloody chook raffle
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:11pm
    mIKER, Why are you confusing "political donations " with personal gifts? Do you have a political bias?
    Rae
    6th Sep 2016
    1:42pm
    I agree Plan B.

    Baird gave us a good idea. Get rid of them all and appoint and administration team. Worked a treat for local elected councils. Gone one Friday and nothing changed. In fact things are better done without the council and it's party politics destroying any common sense.

    Then an election next year but with no parties and a whole set of new rules.

    These clowns are costing the country too much with the crazy policies bought by political donations and gifts.

    We don't need this nutty party stupidity any longer.
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    2:58pm
    Frank: the two are pretty closely related I might have thought and one is as bad as the other. Both are bribes!
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    6:13am
    No MICK, there is a world of difference!
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    12:18pm
    Please explain?

    Is there a difference between offering inducement to an organisation and an individual? Other than that the organisation may wield greater power - and yet that organisation is made up of individuals, and their collective power is the same...

    Who else copped a sweetener? Hmmmm?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    12:43pm
    TREBOR if you and I wanted a public statement to support our goal.
    Should we try bribing an entire organisation which needs to go through some sort of democratic process with a series of meetings and arguments etc. All of which results in the sobering thought by a few....WIIFM???
    However, by bribing an individual his WIIFM question/objection is not raised. He does not need to reveal his motives. He just needs to support our goal.
    Would you prefer to bribe the whole jury or just one juror?
    I was CEO of an organisation with a number of procurers. Sales people were bribing them and the bribes were getting bigger in direct correlation to our stock levels.
    When I installed a policy of all bribes to be redirected to head office
    I quickly ran out of storage. The bribes slowed and eventually stopped.
    Would the Labor Party have publicly given their blessing to the occupation of the South China Sea? You know how much Yuhu and others have donated to the ALP Christmas club. After many $m's they still did not? I don't know why, but I would like to think there are enough decent people in the ALP. So yes, I do think there is a huge difference in targeting an individual or a large organisation.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:58pm
    **raises a sinister thought** What if he is but the front man for the entire organisation already bent (sic) on exactly the path he is paid to endorse?

    How many others are on the payroll?

    That is the kind of perception all governments need to remove from the game by ensuring there is no whiff of corruption. Dare one mention a former treasurer for sale?

    A wise man said to me that the difference between Labor and Liberal is with Liberal you know they are wolves - with Labor they are hiding inside a sheep's clothing..
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    4:42pm
    Your theory makes sense...... pauses pensively... If we were to throw money at an organisation to ensure it flourishes then we would have a reasonable expectation of a healthy yield. We would already have established that "our people" on the inside are easily motivated.
    A friend who is also an enemy?
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    10:33pm
    As a business entity, I would not be offering cash to anyone unless I felt they could assist my bottom line...

    Makes one wonder....politics is rife with 'front person' or 'mouth-pieces' - the observer can see who they are - they gain Brownie points with their party for stepping up to the plate and stating the current 'strong' position on any issue (malleable as that issue and stance may be).

    Enough Brownie points for 'standing up for the party line' and you get a Minister spot, or a shot at the Big One.....
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2016
    9:18am
    Yes, you can imagine the horror when Kathy Jackson not only turned down a safe seat but made the offer public? Now she has been charged. It's the Hunger Games where desires and appetites are not easily quenched.

    6th Sep 2016
    11:39am
    Of course this guy should get the boot. You pull this sort of stunt in private enterprise and you'd be making a three point landing out the door - NO SECOND CHANCE! This caper is even worse as it has to do with PUBLIC/TAXPAYER TRUST. Get rid of the shifty little shyster.
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    3:02pm
    He did declare the 'gift' Eddie. No intention to deceive and probably just a stupid thing to do as well as a feeling of power and being bullet proof. There are worse things pollies do.....like selling out the country to the interests of the coal industry and the big banks.
    The end game should be to make ANY donations or personal payments illegal no matter when they occur, including family members either personally or with private companies, trusts, etc.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    10:36pm
    Mick - I felt the wrong done was in accepting it at all. Naivety is not a good look for a 'leader' in this country. We need people who KNOW what is right and what is wrong, and who are untainted by the Middle Eastern and Southern European style of business.... in which all is dedicated to one's own self-advancement and accepting 'gifts' is part of the deal.

    Now let's sit down, eat some sweetmeats, drink some strong and very sweet tea or coffee, then we talk business..... OK?
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2016
    9:09am
    Oh MICK? Really?
    Biddy
    6th Sep 2016
    11:42am
    Is this not calling the kettle black,not only Sam Daystari,but some Liberal ministers also receiving political donations,of course this little saga is destroying the credibility of the Labor party but let's not forget that Malcolm Turnbull and his Liberal ministers are the ones whom are pushing to make Sam Dastyai look like the only one whom has ever done this,but it will no doubt let some worms out of the can,they can run but they cannot hide its time to make these people accountable and to stop political donations being paid to either party,remember you Liberals you are not so squeaky clean as you all think,it's only the start of much bigger things that will come out,you can paint Sam with what you may but he has more guts then anyone iof you sarcastic morons your day will come beware and you will have to confess to the people of Australia that you to are guilty of receiving donations,at least Labor hasn't sold Australia to the Chinese like you have,you are making it worse then it really is just to cover up your failings,time for a full accountablility ,we wait while the plot thickens
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:08pm
    Why are you confusing "political donations " with personal gifts? Do you have a political bias?
    Captain
    6th Sep 2016
    1:24pm
    Frank,
    For once I agree with you, do not confuse gifts and donations.

    Sam D accepted gifts from a company with very close links to a foreign government. As such his integrity has been tarnished. He should be sacked and if Shorten had any guts he would sack Sam D immediately as an example.

    That said the two Bishops and anyone else caught using taxpayers funds for private purposes should by sacked and face criminal proceedings. Those caught accepting gifts should also be investigated to determine if their dealings are criminal or treasonable.

    I have no interest in either of the major parties and just want honest and hard working governments with Australia and the Australian people their first priority.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    1:29pm
    Stop repeating yourself Frank, it seems you are the one with the bias commenting here.
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    3:04pm
    Biddy: the government rats are making a huge thing of this even though Dastyari has broken no rules because they want to deflect attention from the government's woeful performance and inability to keep its promises.
    The real issue is doing away with donations and gift of any sort with jail time for any MP who decides he/she has a way around the rules.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    7:25am
    Misty, nice of you to read all my posts. I will take that as a compliment.
    If I have a bias it is leaning toward justice for the Australian people!
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:17am
    Integrity? Dastardly Sam has integrity? Learn something new every day....
    Abby
    12th Sep 2016
    9:12am
    Do not know about others but if I have a personnal debt ... I go to the bank and take a loan and expect to pay it back. Think Sam D's credit rating would have been OK seeing the $200 thousand salary he is on ... I see it as nothing but sheer greed

    6th Sep 2016
    11:48am
    What a beat up! On the one hand we are told that Sam Dastyari shouldn’t have taken the wine. He shouldn’t have allowed a Chinese company with links to the Chinese Government to settle legal debts on his behalf. He should have settled his own travel overspend yet it is said that this may be something the Coalition is doing to hide their problems. It is also said that Mr Turnbull should be attacking his own Foreign Minister – someone with actual government influence – from receiving half a million dollars from Chinese businessmen with links to the Chinese Government for the Western Australian division of the Liberal Party over the last two years?

    To put all of this in context, Dastayari has received benefit on a personal basis whereas Bishop was a part of funding to her party. It has also been documented that the same businessmen donated to the Labor party but that has not been added to the discussion. Dasatayari has not been misquoted because he has backed China on more than one occasion in contradiction of his party's policy on China which is similar to the government's decision. Has Dastayari been so embroiled in union activities that he has lost sight of how money actually works? For too long we have seen union leaders get payments made to them or on their behalf when they are not entitled to it. One wonders if they understand that what they get paid is to look after themselves and their family and there is no more.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    4:36pm
    Just to update; Dastyari has completed a press conference and the claim that he was misquoted has been clarified somewhat by the excuse that he "misspoke". Can we assume that his initial excuse was a lie or is that drawing too long a bow?
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:14pm
    Yes, misspoke is the new code word for "intentional Lie."
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2016
    8:57pm
    Update; Shorten has made Dastyari resign. Sure, he says it was his idea but the buck stops with Shorten and Dastyari has been distracting Labor's attack on Turnbull.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    8:26am
    Hang on.....wasn't it Labor's Dastyari who received the "gifts?"
    Why is it now the government to blame??
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:05am
    Frank. we have been around long enough to know that his biggest crime (In the eyes of his party) was getting caught. I don't believe this sort of behavior is party driven, it is an individual choice, no doubt there are people on both sides that have engaged in this behavior.
    It is time for both sides to man/woman up and change the rules to put a stop to it. This is not a political issue, it is an ethics issue, surely people can put aside political point scoring aside long enough to make rules (Not Guidelines) that put an end to it.
    If we are going to assign blame, which is often a waste of resources, aim it where it belongs, the so called leaders of all political party's, if they wanted to they could stop this overnight just by showing some leadership and making a decision.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:41pm
    Political party leaders show Leadership (with a capital L)? Demme - you learn something new every day!

    6th Sep 2016
    11:53am
    BTW, thank you to the editors of this site for taking up my suggestion that Dastayari be looked at instead of continually bashing the Coalition.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:26pm
    Your the man!!
    Phil1943
    6th Sep 2016
    1:20pm
    Hey Old Man. I'm a bit old too and have been known to bash the coalition who I feel are doing a poor job of governing. However, Dastyari, viewed apolitically, has sold himself and his position to the Chinese. If Shorten continues to defend him they both should go.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    8:39pm
    In your dreams Phil1943.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:43pm
    OM - it's just that:-

    a) The coalition is in government and has been for over three years

    b) They are as dirty as a sewer bottom when it comes to donations and gifts and taking free rides etc...

    c) Instead of changing the rules so as to totally preclude such nonsense as the Dastardly Affair, they prefer to try for Bronwie (oops.. Freudian slip there... if not a Freudian split)... Brownie points by lambasting the Opposition for what they themselves are doing in spades.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:45pm
    Now THAT (incurs wrath of editor) is a Freudian Split.... hang on - nothing 'dirty' here... just art in good taste:-

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/gorgeous-girl-water-11278207.jpg
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    2:11pm
    Dastardly deeds done Dirt Cheap eh?
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:59pm
    Good one, Frank.
    Tony
    6th Sep 2016
    11:55am
    Your opinion pieces seem taken out of the Labor/Greens policy book and reduce the value of the other useful articles on your website. Rather unfortunate for those wanting an unbiased view on these matters.
    KSS
    6th Sep 2016
    3:51pm
    Nothing unbiased about articles/opinion pieces on YLC Tony. Ever!
    MICK
    6th Sep 2016
    11:11pm
    Yeah KSS. You have to go to the Murdoch Press for that.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:13am
    Tony, I like you would like to see reporters take an unbiased view of the stories they report. Unfortunately since the advent of the Shock Jock, this is a requirement that has been universally dumped by Australian reporters.
    I can't think of one presenter who does not show bias one way or the other, but as long as we have forums like this one they will not have it all their own way.
    We also must recognise that bias is in the eyes of the beholder, I remember a report on one (Lefty) TV station that produced viewer feedback that stated that when surveyed 40% of the viewers thought that the station was biased towards the right and 45% thought it was biased to the left.
    Which indicates to me that they had it about right.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:48pm
    Does it matter what play-book they are taken from? We all know wrong when we smell it - like fertiliser in a paddock... and I think the majority here are lambasting all politicians and their PS mates who accept this kind of thing.

    Federal ICAC anyone?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    7:14pm
    The Federal ICAC is losing its shine since we can find Bottles of Grange flying around without the cost of ICAC.
    Biddy
    6th Sep 2016
    11:57am
    Bronwyn Bushop did a lot worse then Sam Dastyari he may have used outside money to fund his bill she sure has a hide to be the one to point the finger,she did much worse and used our money to fund her little chopper ride,what he done is small fishes to her big rort of taxpayers money perhaps the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has a short fuse and thinks this will take the heat of him,but he has the hide to go to China and air his view over the television his big speech about the Labor party and how Bill Shirten should sack Sam ,it's ironic that he gets the guts when he is outside Australia what a wimp,a gutless wonder as usual,he had all the week to say something but instead stood on China land and decided to open his big mouth shame on You Malcolm and your low scum Liberals
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:23am
    Just like Slippery Sam, Bronnie feels she did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide. It's the hubris that develops in politicians once they smell the sweet ride and the control over people by controlling the country's purse strings and policies. They can literally make or break any person or social group with policies - such as those they used in their opening salvoes in The Thirty Five Year War Against Men, meaning 'equal employment opportunity'. As one of the former public servants who resigned over that dismal policy and its blatant abuse of tried and proven workers, I am awaiting my full apology and compensation.... I'm tired of being at the cutting edge of and taking the hits for every 'bloodless revolution' designed to benefit anyone but me.

    Such issues do NOT go away through years of abusage.. they only get worse.
    Dave V
    6th Sep 2016
    12:04pm
    Sack him!
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Sep 2016
    12:06pm
    So it seems from all the media reports that, Sam fratinised - (To associate on friendly terms with an enemy or opposing group, often in violation of discipline or orders. ) - with a foreign country - China- in exchange for personal financial gain and material gratifications...Has he also done that with Iran and any other country or sect and what made him believe this was in Australia's best national interest? Has Sam supported and sponsored any immigrants into Australia and received gratitude payments? Sam's exposure leaves a lot to be asked, how many other politicians have done more or less as Sam has?
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:26am
    Anyone who trusts in the myth of the genial and friendly Chinese is as much a fool as thinking, in the 1930's, that Japan was a peaceful country....

    These people are our competitors - not our friends and allies - and their interest is for self and not for us.

    Incidentally, china is in the process of building an oil pipeline from Iran to China..... hmmmm... just hmmmmmm......

    On your last point, I'd venture to say nearly all, since it is 'within the rules'..... a very worn-out statement of defence for roguish behaviour.
    Not Amused
    6th Sep 2016
    12:13pm
    He's an obnoxious little man (emphasis on "little"). He tried to belittle Pauline Hanson by claiming to be a muslim because he was born in a muslim country. Sack him Shorton - or are you scared he'll spill the beans. Wasn't there a NSW Premier who Labor nagged and nagged until he resigned over a bottle of wine that he failed to declare? The fact he's gone into hiding tells everything about his style.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    12:20pm
    If Sam goes Not Amused I think it could lead to a mass exodus as we will surely find out that many more from both sides are guilty of similair ( implied ) offences.
    Not Amused
    6th Sep 2016
    2:08pm
    Misty I don't know how many others have been up to sly monetary takings from Communist Chinese - that is the rotten part of this unsavoury issue with Dastyari. Strange how so many tiny little men are endowed with big mouths and egos a horse couldn't jump over. He's a rude sly dealing little man. This will follow him just like the cctv video of Shorton throwing the f word at the pie shop lady.

    As we all know, integrity is how people conduct themselves when no-one is looking.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    2:20pm
    Not amused do you know Sam personally?, if not how do you know what he is like or anything else about him?, I could make the same comments about you, based on what you have written here, but I would not as I don't know you or anything else about you and your life.
    Not Amused
    6th Sep 2016
    2:56pm
    Misty: Unlike Dastyari, I am not a politician who has to answer to the taxpaying public for my conduct. If I were all over the news for the conduct to which he has admitted, then I think taxpayers have had a very good opportunity to conclude his behaviour has been unsavoury, sly in that it would not have been made public had it not been "uncovered" and that his comments about a very serious matter i.e. acts of defiance by the Chinese in the South China Sea were inappropriate and compromising. I have seen enough of Mr Dastyari, as have other commentators, to conclude he should be kicked out.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:20am
    Whilst working in Government in a position that required me to use taxpayers money I was always told to use the Courier Mail test whenever making a decision.
    The question is "Would you feel comfortable with the decision that you made being published on the front page of the Courier Mail?" If not you have probably made the wrong decision. I was also constantly reminded that the money that I was using did not belong to my department or even the government, it belonged to the Australian taxpayer. We also had very strict rules about how gifts were managed and non of them include an individual keeping them for themselves.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    12:16pm
    This could turn out to be a can of worms for all sides of politics, I would be very careful about making accusations from any side against the other as it could come back to bite them.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    12:22pm
    They are all in collision with one another. There are always late night calls between the parties - " You keep quiet about me and I on't say anything about you." Crooks, the great majority of them!
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Sep 2016
    12:26pm
    Sam has been exposed by the media and he owned up. Accusations can now follow because of the revealed mistrust but more importantly questions need to asked; Is that All? or Is there more to it? and How many other politicians are conducting their political affairs against Australia's national interest? This can of worms must be opened wider and the can cleaned out and disinfected.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    4:14pm
    Nice comment Misty. What I read into that is that you cannot justify what Dastyari has done so you attack the other side with innuendo.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    5:10pm
    No Old Man I am only commenting on the facts that I have read about or seen on TV. Read into that what you want.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    10:40pm
    It SHOULD be a can of worms for all parties..... and long overdue.

    (the above comment written and spoken by Vox Populi and funded by public donation).....
    Tarabelle
    6th Sep 2016
    12:33pm
    The acceptance of goodies and donations by any pollie concerns me, but, not half as much as the comments made by Mr Dastyari which contradict the Australian position on the South China Sea, OR his requesting briefings from our Defence Force re their position on this. He was obviously sounding them out to report back to his new benefactors in a foreign country government. Any donation, by anyone, has strings attached in some form. No one, especially from another sovereign country, hands out monies without wanting something in return. In this case....information on the Australia stance re their build up in our region.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    12:39pm
    Tarabelle, I agree. It is a way of life in China to bribe all levels of government otherwise you don't proceed over there.
    We don't want bribery to that extent in Australia.
    Your point about Dastyari's treason is not lost.
    Rae
    6th Sep 2016
    1:54pm
    Pity it is too late for me. I used to receive offers of free meals and gifts from the Chinese community and always declined.

    Little did I realise we would be sold out to China and this sort of thing become quite acceptable.

    We have bribery to an outstanding degree obviously.

    Just how much time is spent working for THE Party instead of working to fix Australia's problems?

    We are paying these jokers to serve us not some ideological Party.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:22am
    Totally agree Frank, but with one change, we don't want bribery to any degree in this country.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:02pm
    I long ago advocated a pro rata payment of expenses - if the PM visits the Ho Fung Cancerous Dog's Hospice and Chinese Barbecue as PM, pats dogs for fifteen minutes, then flits off to a four hour party meeting - he only gets fifteen minutes pro rata costs for travel etc.
    mareela
    6th Sep 2016
    12:45pm
    We need a federal ICAC right now and a change of government will surely follow.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    10:42pm
    Total change of politicians more likely....

    Do these people have any idea the damage they are doing to their own reputation and that of this country and its people when they carry on the way they do, expecting to be treated like royalty when they are nothing more than public servants?
    jamesmn
    6th Sep 2016
    12:45pm
    if you are going to wrap any politican over the knuckles over this it would most likely be all of them except for a few of the new ones we all know turnball is in bed with the Chinese over the free trade agreement but what happened to the Chinese buying up houses and land and farms in Australia 1 recently was for a Chinese investor to buy a property in Melbourne knock the existing house down when there was nothing wrong with it to build another mansion but only to be used for holidays maybe this should happen next to turnballs house.
    Rae
    6th Sep 2016
    1:56pm
    I wonder what Andrew Robb is up to these days. There was a man came from nowhere, signed a number of "deals" and then disappeared.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    4:27pm
    A most disingenuous comment Rae. There has never been any suggestion from anyone that Andrew Robb has been anything other than a hardworking upstanding MP. Your comment casts aspersions where none are warranted.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:51pm
    Rae, you think too much. :)
    Phil1943
    6th Sep 2016
    1:15pm
    Sorry for those who think this is an unwarranted 'distraction' but Dastyari has to go. He was part of the stinking, corrupt NSW Labor government until it was trounced and got his senate seat only because he was one of the few NSW laborites left standing. He's proved to be just another politician who can be bought and should be sacked by Shorten ASAP. Otherwise, Shorten will be aiding and abetting what smells like corruption on an international scale.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    1:35pm
    Sorry Phil I don't agree with you if Sam goes so too should Julie Bishop and all the others who have accepted gifts, watches, wines, Jewellery and donations to their political party as read out today on Sky News Agenda by Steven Conroy,
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    1:55pm
    Then, so be it.
    Rae
    6th Sep 2016
    1:59pm
    Yes they should all go.

    This type of corruption is blatantly stupid. We need smart people making decisions for us rather than Party puppets serving the IPA and unions.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:44pm
    This is when Shorten is at his best. He loves the opportunity to downplay a drama with his cool off the cuff dismissals, without losing any political skin of his own. But he should be very careful as this will easily backfire on him.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:25am
    Misty, I agree with you, now is the time to draw a line in the sand, anyone from now on caught accepting gifts for their own personal use should have to go, regardless of which party they belong to.
    The precedent has been set.

    6th Sep 2016
    1:50pm
    Dastyari is from a minority in our country and everyone knows that the government treats this minority with great care and kid gloves, so his chances of being sacked are very little - once again, discrimination will be his saving grace.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:50pm
    Allah forbid - they might plan some (gasps) dastardly act at the AFL Grand Final or something... can't upset them, you know.
    Sen.Cit.90
    6th Sep 2016
    2:33pm
    An Old adage;
    There Are No Free Lunches.
    phantom
    6th Sep 2016
    2:35pm
    Shorten thinks of only one person "Shorten". He'll ignore it like everything else, it will go away. He would rather send Australia broke so he could win the next election. He is going to block everything, even his own policies to stop the Libs. Turnbull has no guts to stop him.
    grounded
    6th Sep 2016
    2:43pm
    This is not a case of the old 'political donation' chestnut.....this is Sahand Dastyari - of Middle Eastern origin - (self Angalised to 'Sam'/'Sammy' for the Australian public's consumption) receiving sleight of hand payment for what he AGAIN does best.....bludging/bumming payment/money, for services rendered to a foreign Government....a COMMUNIST one at that....through one of that Government's many 'blinder' organisations clandestinately operating in Australia.

    Sahand Dastyari does not need to resign his front bench position within the Australian Labor Party Parliamentary team. More correctly, he urgently needs to be taken out of that Parliament - in handcuffs preferably - for the dire security threat he poses to Australia, for the more than questionable treasonable behaviour he has engaged himself in by soliciting these payments.

    His payment benefactors want 'something' for their money. Sahand - 'Sammy' has been dutifully obliging...as evidenced by statements made within the Chinese Communist Government's overseen media.

    Sahand - 'Sammy's' repeated treasonable carrying ons are a dangerous threat to Australia......hence one of the reasons why Australia's top spy went to the trouble of explaining to all major Political Parties the need for care in being duped into receiving monies/succor from foreign Governments.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    3:18pm
    Reds under the beds syndrome is what I think you have grounded.
    grounded
    6th Sep 2016
    3:35pm
    No Misty.....Just one parasitic money leeching Dastyari under my...."our" bed. The 'Reds' - Communist Chinese Government, are right up front....also claiming what beneficial 'work' Sahand - "Sammy" has done for stipend from them.

    Are you blind Misty....Sahand - "Sammy" has gone way beyond Burke of Labor and Bishop of the Libs....Sahand has devised a whole new way of getting his filthy Leftist fingers into the cookie barrel.....Just try another Government....a COMMUNIST one at that...(Oops sorry...there I go again....labelling Sahand from Iran a Red. I've got to stop doing that Misty!)
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:28am
    Sandlander Sam?
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:04pm
    Maybe we could make a doll and market it, alongside the Wee Johnnie collection and the Tony and Julia dog chews....
    jamesmn
    6th Sep 2016
    2:45pm
    I agree with you misty bishop is as shifty as anything she even had the flight with her partner to be paid by taxpayers for the use of a helicopter because her weak excuse was no flight was available what a lot of rot she wants to start lying on the other side of the bed and stop being a gonna she has to go if you scraped all the body filler from her face you may see what she really looks like
    KSS
    6th Sep 2016
    3:57pm
    Nothing of merit to say jamesmn so you resort to personal insults. How very grown up of you!

    6th Sep 2016
    2:51pm
    Any politician, no matter which party, should be sacked if they get up to these shenanigans.

    You are leaving yourself open to blackmail of one sort of another. There is no such thing as something for nothing. There is always a price to pay and to be so bloody dumb not to think so, a person should not be in Parliament.

    The only politician I really believe was totally honest was the Independent Ted Mack...he did not even take a parliamentary pension.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:26pm
    We are getting a good insight into how crooked our politicians are. The ALP is nothing but an organised crime gang.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:45pm
    Money laundering.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    9:42pm
    Is it wrong to dredge up the name Khemlani?
    Rae
    7th Sep 2016
    8:25am
    At least Whitlam planned to spend the money for and n Australians by buying the mines for us, building the gas pipeline for us and developing the Uranium Industry for us. To pay for free health and free education. It was a admirable plan and I doubt $4 billion could have caused too much of a problem.

    Bottles of wine and personal debt payments and other "donations" and "gifts" seem to be personal. Not about us at all.

    Then again since when has any of the benefits gone to Us.

    Saying sorry "sozzza miss" reminds me of naughty school boys attempting to get out of the consequences.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    9:14am
    Not to mention the sewerage in West Sydney.
    Labor think the word sorry covers everything and makes everything right with the world again.
    Like so many before him, Sam Dastyari needs to show some courage and dignity. The longer he holds on the worse it becomes for him and the Shorten Labor/Union Party.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:31am
    From what I have read here I can only say, thank god we have the LNP who all give half their pay to charity, spend their weekends helping little old ladies across the street, feeding stray dogs and generally just being fine upstanding citisens.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    10:34am
    Pepe,
    The problem for Labor and their parent organisation is, as Craig Thompson sobbingly told us, "I did nothink Wrong," "everyone was doing it."
    When you drill down into it, you find Thompson has a point.

    You see the same cultural belief in many YLC posters.
    Everyone is doing it so it must be right. It's an inability to see right from wrong amidst a pack mentality.

    Where are the heroes??
    Where are Ayne Rand's Howard Roark's?
    Do they exist anymore?
    Did they ever?
    Let's face it. Thompson only "crossed the line" when his position became politically untenable.
    Are our expectations too high?
    Should we accept that we send children to do the job an adult would find difficult??? And we expect a fine result???
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:54pm
    Yes - the 'Khemlani Affair' was an utter nonsense, with a Labor government seeking to buy up the farm in advance, and some offshore dreaded Gypo getting a commission as is normal in business, for putting the funding together.

    How much of such commission have Treasurers past and other merchant bankers received? How much do they cop when they put together a funding proposition for digging another hole Outback (is that top end or Top End again?).
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    3:32pm
    SAM is a SHAM!
    He should be sacked now!!!
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:18pm
    Try saying that fast 5 times after having a cocktail!!
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    8:42pm
    Id that why you have been repeating yourself on here Frank, too many cocktails?.
    Aussiefrog
    6th Sep 2016
    3:37pm
    Dodgy donation for a dodgy polie, what's new!
    dougie
    6th Sep 2016
    5:00pm
    Any pollie who accepts gain from his position should be removed from Parliament immediately and should be barred from holding any public office for a minimum period of 10 years. No excuses - no alibis just remove them.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    5:14pm
    Hold on a minute doughie, that would probably mean we would not have a pollie lefr in Parliament.
    dougie
    7th Sep 2016
    7:29am
    So what would be wrong with that? Maybe some good housewife managers would give us a better financial result.
    Mike Butler
    6th Sep 2016
    5:12pm
    I don't often comment on this site, but I really wonder what part of "bribery" you do not understand!

    Shorten is trying to muddy the waters by talking about "donations" to political parties!

    When a politician phones up a Chinese company with whom he has had previously had dealings and says, " I have overspent my travel allowance! Will you pick up the tab, that is not a donation to a political party!

    Many reasonable people might regard that as buying influence --- big time!
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:35am
    One would question just how much influence you could buy for $1600.00. So yes any gift has the ability to bias a point of view, but in this particular instance I would not find the term big time appropriate.
    And having said that I also find the fact that anyone on the salary this guy is on can be bought for such a measly sum disconcerting.
    Kali-G
    6th Sep 2016
    5:36pm
    This proves that moslems cannot be trusted ever! He must resign! Not fit to be in Parliament.
    30 pieces of silver from a Communist Government!
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:17pm
    He's a part time Muslim but he's a full time Labor/Union boy.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    6:54pm
    There is NO such thing as "a part time Muslim". These people are FULL ON, just keep it hidden! Don't fool yourself, your freedom depends on it.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    7:25pm
    Have you seen this evening's news? Nuf said?
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:37am
    Kali-G, a christian priest molests a child, does this prove that not one christian can be trusted with a child?
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:56pm
    Yee-usssh - but it also doesn't mean we deliberately and blindly place that child with any Christian.....

    There is a balance here, Grasshoppers.

    6th Sep 2016
    6:08pm
    traitors used to be shot especial if you sold the country out for money yet now become a parliamentarian and if as is in this country you are part of the middle east society your party leader, such as shorten, is not game enough to sack you as he, shorten, then would be called a racist, sadly this is a trend right through the western world.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    6:16pm
    Yes, according to Shorten its nothing to get excited about when we are sold out by a traitor!
    Rae
    7th Sep 2016
    8:30am
    The selling out has been going on since Whitlam got the sack.

    Frank I'm surprised you are only just noticing.

    I'm convinced it is a far too late to do anything about the consequences.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    8:34am
    Ha Ha, good one Rae. You're one step ahead of me. :)
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:58pm
    Hanging, drawing, vivisection of the knackers, beheading and then quartering with parts sent to all four corners of the kingdom and the head displayed on a spike on The Tower.... (err-agh, M'Lod - e' be guilty - 'Is Majesty 'isself says so!)
    mareela
    6th Sep 2016
    6:28pm
    Grounded you would have done well in the United States during the McCarthy era. Talk about paranoia. Think Turnbull is cosying up to the Chinese while he is overseas? Maybe he is arranging for the Chinese to take care of his tax free income in the Caymans. What about Julie Bishop? She does have questions to answer about Australia's security and the possibility she is selling secrets to China as she has accepted about $500,000 I believe from the Chinese for the WA Liberal Party. Sam sure has done the wrong thing but by comparison Julie Bishop has far higher access to Australia's secrets than a lowly opposition Senator. Unfortunately grounded, your hate and bias is showing which renders your comments as nothing but an uneducated rant which isn't worthy of being on this forum.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2016
    6:51pm
    Hear hear mareela.
    grounded
    6th Sep 2016
    6:54pm
    Awwwwhhhh..............so mean!
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2016
    6:59pm
    mareela you just showed your true colors, just show us where it is illegal to invest in the caymans islands, I bet you if you had any money you'll do the same, where is your proof about julie bishop selling this country out, if you can prove it I'll be a 100% behind you, maybe you can explain to us why the unions pour millions of dollars into the labor coffers, one thing for sure it is not to give them, the parliamentarians, a better lunch, yet you protect a rat who is selling this country out, is it any wonder this beautifull country is fast becoming a dream with inhabitants the likes of you.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    2:02pm
    Ah - so it's currently legal and that makes it right? Good-Oh... why then is one of the major topics being discussed at the G20 that of 'international taxation regulation'?

    If Malcolm had one iota of good old Aussie sense and honour, he'd bring his stashed cash back, along with the Futures Fund, and subject it to the Australian tax regime, same as everyone else.

    Not everything in life is about profit, you know.... especially when it's public money - and if anyone can explain to me how the Futures Fund and Mal's etc can aid the Australian economy by evading tax here by off-shoring... I'm all ears.

    Taxed here would go back into the economy instead of being a stashed off-shore slush fund for our polies when they are forced to flee a vengeful public... BTW - who holds the 'keys' to the Futures Fund? Who gets to sign the cheques etc?

    6th Sep 2016
    6:28pm
    as for leon bosca to call this a veiled distraction by the government, I call it exposing the treacherous behaviour of one of our parliamentarians, leon please forget your bias against this government and report the true facts, after all that is what we expect of a true journalist!
    ex PS
    6th Sep 2016
    8:17pm
    One or two brain explosions and bad decisions can be put down to lack of experience or attention to detail. I originally thought, one $1400.00 mistake is fairly immaterial, I would even go as far as to say that in some cases refusal to accept a gift could cause damage to a political relationship.
    But it appears that a pattern of behavior has been established and at the very least an investigation has to be undertaken and if this is a pattern this mans job has to go.
    This should be the first case handled in this manner and all other cases of a similar nature should be handled the same way, it should make no difference which party the politician belongs to, they should all be investigated and get an appropriate punishment.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    7:09am
    exPS, we saw a similar pattern of behaviour during the Royal Commission into Trade Union Corruption.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    11:51am
    Yes we all did, but you find the people on both sides that asked for or paid bribes, and you prosecute them. You don't make sweeping statements about the entire organisation be it Business Owners or Unions based on the actions of individuals.
    You don't condemn the actions of an entire organisation because of the actions of maybe 1% that do the wrong thing.
    As a Union member and activist for over 30 years, I support the trial and incarceration of Union Representatives who act corruptly, just as I support the prosecution and incarceration of Business Owners who act in a corrupt manner.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    12:16pm
    Them and us eh? It's a real pity you unionists cannot see yourselves as part of the solution. This could be such a great country. You don't need to apologise for union corruption or accuse other entities of being corrupt. That makes no difference. I understand your loyalty to the unions and their political party. In a way I admire that, but I see in that loyalty a bloody mindedness that brings us down.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    5:05pm
    Frank, how is asking for fair play and equal treatment them and us. I did not say as you do, punish one person in a two person crime situation, I am not saying let guilty people go, I am saying that if two people are involved in a crime they both should be punished equally.
    Frank do you think that if two people are involved in the same crime one should be brought to justice but the other should go free depending on which party they support?
    Are you saying that if a Business Owner took a bribe from a Union Executive to employ certain people, the Business Owner should go to gaol but the Union Executive has nothing to answer for? Surely both have committed a crime.
    I have no loyalty to the ALP other than it is slightly better than the LNP, I put them last and second last on the Ballot Paper. I am loyal to Unions, where Unions are the people who pay fees and work for a living, but unlike some I do not engage in unwavering loyalty to a political party and their dogma. Unwavering loyalty is for Labradors, not rational human beings.
    If you look at our two comments you will see who it is that made the them and us statements. I think my statement was fairly well balanced, can you say the same for yours?
    I may not agree with what you say, but I have every respect for your right to say it.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    2:03pm
    'pattern of behaviour' at the Royal? ONE person charged? Sounds more like the pattern of behaviour playing the pokies at the Royal Hotel to me...
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    2:24pm
    Yes a pattern a little like a patch quilt. And yes this is not a misprint!
    "The Australian federal police’s union taskforce charged the Queensland Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union organiser Justin Steele with assault over an incident at a building site in May 2015."
    Workers are specialising these days another reason why part time and casual positions are more popular.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:07pm
    Assault is corruption these days? Wow - you learn something new every day......
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    7:18pm
    No he had nothing to do with Construction, Forestry or energy he was Justin Steele.
    mareela
    6th Sep 2016
    11:48pm
    Heemskerk99 it seems you shot yourself in the foot and open your mouth without engaging your brain as usual. You ask me for proof about Julie Bishop yet you quite happily say, without proof, that Sam Dastyari is selling this country out. It's no wonder this beautiful country is fast becoming an unlucky country with the likes of you living here and probably on welfare too. Why don't you try commenting without your right wing propaganda causing you to look foolish.
    grounded
    7th Sep 2016
    12:08am
    Awesome comment Comrade 'Mareela'....with one bonus free copy of the 'Manifesto' being forwarded to you this very same day.... gratis postage and handling included. You lucky thing...You.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2016
    8:03pm
    mareela, learn to speak and read english, dastyari, the traitor, stated he agreed with the chinese, on the who owes that sea, yet his labor party did not agree, to-day dastyari agreed he was wrong, who is now the one to look foolish,
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:08pm
    Bun fight - BUN FIGHT! Get your peanuts here.. watch the fight...
    Lescol
    6th Sep 2016
    11:56pm
    I really do not care if Sam accepted $1 or $1 million. Such behavior is not acceptable and I am very disappointed; he sold out his honour for so little. Shame and he needs to resign.

    As I've noted, 'personal graft'' is totally unacceptable and political donations must be controlled. People in public office need to set an example.

    cheers
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2016
    9:26am
    They are setting an example. How can we stop that?
    RogerA
    7th Sep 2016
    12:04am
    A thinly veiled distraction? Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. But you could mention two other kind-of-guilty participants in this sorry saga. Firstly, rather too many journalists and media opinionists chasing after a pointless and inconsequential story instead of pursuing the big question in contemporary Australian politics, namely how to increase Federal and state government revenue, by increasing taxes and charges, to take the pressure off the expenditure side which has become cut, cut, cutcutcut... Secondly, the electorate at large, too many people seem to be satisfied with very simplistic, witch hunt style reporting. Are big issues like negative gearing reform, superannuation reform, investing in big new renewable energy projects, etc, too complex for the average citizen? Sadly, the answer may be yes, they prefer 'titilating', 'scandalous'...
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    9:26am
    RogerA, you don't understand that we cannot continue to raise taxes. Like my wife used to say....honey we have a revenue problem, can you get a second job? Honey I already have a second job!! I would say.
    If someone else, some other entity, is paying Dastyari's income then perhaps it is part of the reason our politicians continue spending more then they take from us.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:31pm
    Well said RogerA, oh the ship is sinking, very well then, let's rearrange the deck chairs that will take peoples minds off the real problem.
    MD
    7th Sep 2016
    8:45am
    Thanks RogerA, for some sense of positive outlook. I'd almost reached the point of 'throwing in the towel'.
    Btw, anyone interested in a bottle(s) of Grange should know their value and the fact that they come with strings attached - for lowering into the murkey water of lake (billabong) Burley Griffin during periods of extreme heat. We'd hate to see em spoil.
    maxchugg
    7th Sep 2016
    10:31am
    According to media reports, Sam Dastyari has accepted cash handouts from a foreign country and has also supported that country in a way which may at least be reasonably perceived to be contrary to the interests of Australia. Yet Sam is able to get away with pleading that a simple mistake had been made.

    If Sam was unable to understand that his conduct, if it became widely known, would attract the kind of legitimate, adverse comment which has been the outcome, then surely he should have no place in the government of this nation. He should face criminal charges and if convicted, removed from his current position.

    Finally, compare Sam with a pensioner on Centrelink benefits. If a pensioner accidentally forgot to let Centrelink know that he won a few million in Tattslotto and continued to collect his pension, could he also claim that a simple mistake had been made? Would he be allowed to keep his overpayment of pension and suffer no consequences?
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    11:12am
    Lucky you maxchugg, what are you going to spend your Tattslotto winnings on?.
    Sam's not going anywhere, regardless of how much Alan Jones and everyone else would like him too so get over it everybody.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    11:14am
    Do I detect a bias toward Labor/Unions?
    maxchugg
    7th Sep 2016
    11:21am
    Misty, I didn't say I won a few million, I was referring to a hypothetical pensioner who won a few hypoothetical millions which, sadly, are not negotiable currency.

    Your comment that Sam isn't going anywhere is absolutely correct, sadly. But far from getting over it, we should demand that politicians observe the law. And where the law fails to provide reasonable protection for the public purse, the law should be amended appropriately, which is not only within the ability of the politicians to do, it is their responsibility.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    12:04pm
    Maxchung I thought you would realise my comment was a "Tongue in cheek" one and treat it as such, I do agree with your sentence about changing or amending our laws though but will it ever happen?.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    12:09pm
    I don't have a bias towards anyone if they do a good job I will vote for them, I don't have anything against honest unions I found them very helpful during my working life, it is the rogue ones, no that is not correct, it is the rogue corrupt people who are involved that should be given the boot and charged, ALL UNIONS ARE NOT BAD.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    12:23pm
    What we don't know is the level of corruption which is fundamental to the culture? And how deep that culture runs across all unions? I have had only bad experiences with unions. A few times over the years they tried to stop me from doing my job.
    maxchugg
    7th Sep 2016
    1:34pm
    Misty, I clearly understood your comment, that it was tongue in cheek, as was my reply to you.

    And will the laws be changed? Well there is an expression that something went through like a politician's pay rise, so will they really bring about effective changes which will bring their expense accounts under control? I think not.

    I also agree with your comments about unions. I was a member of a union for my entire working life, and was workplace representative for many years. But I can assure you that even the slightest whiff of corruption would have instantly ended my association with the union concerned.

    Like Frank, I have also had dealings in my employment with corrupt unions where thuggery and standover tactics were the order of the day so I am in sympathy with his feelings.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    5:13pm
    Let's get a grip on reality, the LNP will not push too hard on this issue, imagine what would happen if one or more off their own people were caught doing the same thing. Do you really think that they would risk losing government over a moral issue.
    They will do exactly the same as the ALP did and hang on to the defaulter like grim death.
    maxchugg
    7th Sep 2016
    6:31pm
    exPS, Sam is not Robinson Crusoe in this matter, it is highly probable that most politicians would fail the test of public scrutiny if their activities received publicity similar to that which landed on Sam.

    In reality we have come to live with the scandalous and ongoing waste of scarce taxpayer sourced dollars. For example, take a look at the following site:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/the-10-most-outrageous-things-pollies-have-spent-our-money-on/news-story/254c2cb0858b56fb89ed65f547bee3f0
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    7:16pm
    Seems like I was wrong after all and Sam has quit his position, wonder how many more will follow him in the future.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    7:35pm
    Misty I reckon you will only be wrong for a short time. Dastyari is one of the faceless men. Along with Feeney and co. Sam was instrumental in putting Shorten in the leadership. He will sit up the back and be quiet waiting for a reshuffle.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    9:06pm
    I tend to agree with Misty and hope that all politicians will take a leaf out of his book and act with a bit of integrity in the future and put their party ahead of personal ambition.
    But I am probably hoping in vain, there is no way the government will put its'position in jeopardy in the cause of integrity. But it will be very interesting to see how they act when put to the test.
    They have had a lot to say about this issue so it will be interesting to see what they say and do when put under the same pressure. Because as many have pointed out this is not a problem confined to one political party.
    Remember a certain state Premier not so long ago?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    10:06am
    Misty and exPS, talk about rusted on?!
    Now Sam Dastyari is some sort of ground breaking leader??
    A virtual model of righteousness??
    A role model for all politicians??
    A man who is now emblematic of a just and free brave new world order??? wtf???
    And of course! Why did I not see this coming???!!!
    It's the government at fault here!! Yes, for not stopping Sam before he thought of taking the bribes, HUH!! LOL
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:43pm
    Frank we simply pointed out that the man in question saw that he was in the wrong and took steps to save his party from further embarrassment. In this he has set a good example, in taking a gift from a political lobbyist he was wrong. Where is the bias?

    We both refrained from mentioning a certain Speaker who hung on to her job and entitlements until forced out by her own party.
    He/she who laughs last Frank.
    As I said let's see how the government behaves when presented with the same problem, as it is sure to happen. We will then see who is rusted on.
    Everything that you said after rusted on"" are entirely your words none of it was mentioned in my response to Misty."
    I am so looking forward to your excuses for the government when this happens to them, it will be so sweet, I recon I write your response here and now. You are so party faithful it almost brings a tear to my eyes.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:10pm
    Sandlander Sam is not a Union man - he is a self-confessed university quadrangle political twerp who found that going into politics was easier than working for a living.

    I doubt he has one ounce of Union blood in him.
    Biddy
    7th Sep 2016
    11:24am
    These must be the most expensive bottles of wine ever to be made what are they made of pure gold or maybe the grapes are you have to be kidding me no one could drink a $300 bottle of wine and smile when it's all gone,Poloticans do not need donations of any kind and Sam Daystari would not be the only minister to receive a donation of this kind I bet there are more ministers whom have received them,like Barnaby Joyce on 7.30 last night,whom stated his party received $50.000.00 from Gina Rinehart and stated that was ok because she is Australian,you are quite the joke whether Chinese or any country it's unacceptable and should be accounted for,poor old Barnaby said because this was donated to the Nationals as a party it is acceptable grow up Barnaby Joyce any donation has something that has to be accepted for a return favour ,you can throw all the dirt at Sam Dasyatri and say it is wrong for him accept any favours from the Chinese,but it's ok for the Liberal Nationals to get theirs or is this just a ploy to take the heat of all of these a liberals and our incompetiant Prime Minister whom himself is in China doing deals with them is this also unacceptable or one rule for them and another for someone else,he will sell Australia and the rest of our country so we will have nothing left that belongs to us,hang on to your hats there will be more to this saga before it all blows overwe all know the Liberals want Sam Dasytari gone so they will have the majority by a extra one but stand steadfast Labor stand up for your rights do not let the Liberals & Nationals hood wink you and stand by Sam Dastayri he will be a great assets to the party don't buckle under Malcolm Turnbull or his ministers they are crooked as they come cheers and good luck
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    12:09pm
    Biddy, you make some good points, but we need to differentiate between donations and gifts.
    Many organisations including the Public Service have formulated policies around the acceptance of gifts by staff.
    Common sense would dictate that there will always be a perception that when an individual receives a gift that individual feels an obligation towards the gift giver and may without even realising it show bias towards the giver.
    Most organisations that have employees in the position where gifts may be offered have a policy that, if accepted the gift belongs to the organisation not the employee and is registered and kept in safe place until it can be used by the organisation for staff functions or to be given to charities as auction items or similar uses.
    Employees are encouraged to make this known before accepting any gifts and once it is known by customers that this is the rule the practice soon stops.
    I would like to see a hard and fast rule that all politicians are subject to a similar rule regarding personal gifts, I am quite astounded that a rule like this has not already been introduced.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    12:26pm
    ex PS, I agree 100%. Great post!!
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2016
    5:55pm
    Sam Dastyari has said, what he did was within the rules but he was wrong.
    Now what does that say about our politicians?
    What does it say about the culture in Canberra?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    8:10am
    What he did was within the Labor Party rules.

    He was wrong.

    = Labor Party Rules are wrong.

    They were also wrong when Tony Burke flew his children business class to Uluru for a Robbie Williams concert.
    That $12,000 was paid by us, but it was in the rule book according to a smug Tony Burke.
    They are insulting us tax payers. Treating us with contempt.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:49pm
    Frank, was it the Labor Party rules or the federal government rules. I am not being a smartarse here I really would like to know. If they are rules that only cover the Labor Party it makes a big difference to the debate.
    Was Bronny wrong and acting against the LNP rules when she chartered a plane to a private wedding?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    4:20pm
    I distinctly heard Dastyari say he followed "Labor Party Rules."
    Not Parliamentary Rules issued by Finance.
    My understanding is that each party has their own rules and Finance has an overarching set of rules. A gift must be reported to Finance. However, how much of it is not reported? This would then be a party specific rule. I think the ALP rule on the treatment of bribes (donations) is one sentence long. I suspect so much of it would be unwritten? Can you check and let us know?
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    5:46pm
    Thanks Frank, the rule you quoted was that the gift must be reported to finance, although he got the value wrong, he did report it so he did not break the rules.
    Not right by any means, but still within the rules. But if the party rules are overridden by financial rules they have to be compliant with the financial rules or they can not be used.
    Point still remains the rules have to be changed in order to prevent this happening again.
    It just stinks that grown men and women can't seem to be able to discern right from wrong.
    Fred
    7th Sep 2016
    7:37pm
    This action by this Politicitation is wrong some people give contributions to Political Parties because they support the policies of that Party we don't hear to much about Unions and what they give to the Labor Party but this was for a Politician himself to pay of his debts and should be totally wrong in all aspects. I wonder what those supporting this Politician would say if a member of the Security Services of this Country did the same, or a Police Officer did the same they would be called corrupt and rightly so why then is any Politician different they are the people supposedly running this country note I say supposedly because there are very few of them that could be called Honorable at this moment in time in fact I would say that in the past few years we have had the worst bunch of people claiming to be capable of running this country when in fact they have been incapable of running a chook raffle.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    9:13pm
    Most of us know what is right and fair, we tend not to do what is not right or fair even if we can and get away with it because it just does not sit well with our consciences. What is it with our politicians, they seem to lose their moral compasses once elected?
    Why must the Australian voter be forced to sit on our politicians shoulders so that we can tell them right from wrong, we know they have the answers to that question, why can't they figure it out for themselves?

    7th Sep 2016
    8:35pm
    to-days resignation of dastyary shows how far shorten, the contributors to these columns, the likes of mareela, 4b2, labor stooge mick, snowhite, looks more like spoiled white, etc,and don't forget the instigator of this column, leon bosca, have failed in their duty to this country to call for the resignation of a politician who sold out this country for a price, call it what you want, being paid for your services to another country is simply TREASON
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    11:43pm
    Careful who you are calling a TRAITOR heemskerk, unless Sam Dastyari has personally told you he committed a crime you have no proof, people have been taken to court for defamation you know. It is ridiculous to say this politician sold out his country for a price what is wrong with you people who are claiming this?. These are serious accusations to make against someone without proof.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:11pm
    Damn - I didn't get any mud thrown my way - I'm seriously miffed, heemie. You big meanie....
    mareela
    7th Sep 2016
    8:49pm
    Comrade grounded seems you don't like anyone to have a different opinion to yourself which is very typical of rightoids. Guess you're a signed up member of the IPA. Their philosophy is "what's yours is mine, and what's mine's me own". It's this attitude that is destroying Australia. Or should I use Morrisons comparison the taxed and the taxed not's ie corporations are one of the causes of our lack of revenue. Never mind comrade grounded, with any luck Malcolm won't last the distance as he and his government, according to Peta Credlin and Andrew Bolt, have not done one thing of note for Australia or Australians for the last 3 years, and we'll all be forced back to the polls in due course. People are beginning to realise that trickle down economics, surprise, surprise, doesn't work. You may need a new chapter on how to govern and run an economy from your comrades in the IPA when you get your next copy of the IPA manual. All the best with that grounded.
    grounded
    7th Sep 2016
    10:05pm
    Boom, boom Mareela....you have to be saluted, hanging right in there with the Commissars treasured words. Skol Mareela....vodka's all round...shattered shot glasses into the fireplace, then back to "Trotsky and the Tragic Imagination".

    Whew Mareela, you 'Cultured Marxists' are definitely from another place in time...(Now lets all mourn for Sammy's - the Minister for Beijings' - political passing - boo hoo, boo hoo).

    Go get 'em Mareela......
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    4:12pm
    Bun Fight at the YLC Corral... read all about it.. Bun Fight.....
    mareela
    7th Sep 2016
    9:05pm
    Heemskerk99 your grasp of the English language leaves a lot to be desired. I need a translator to understand your garbled message. Perhaps you can access an English language course via Centrelink as many right wing believers think all new Australians should be able to speak English fluently. Good luck with your English class. I think you'll now find the coalition will be looking over their shoulders and getting rid of any evidence that ties them to foreign donations. George Brandis was willing to go to court to deny access to his diaries. However he lost so what's he hiding? Time will tell. Such a corrupt government we have.
    ex PS
    7th Sep 2016
    9:16pm
    mareela, I just don't read his comments any more, it is not that his English does not make sense, the fact is he just does not make sense.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2016
    11:49pm
    Do you think grounded and heemskerk are the same person?,
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:45am
    Hope not I would have to stop reading his comments too, which would not be a great hardship because I generally only get half way through them anyway.
    I enjoy reading other peoples opinions but not when they are one sided and dripping with political vitriol.
    Life is too short to waste on rhetoric that makes no difference to an argument or sense to the mind.
    mareela
    8th Sep 2016
    12:05am
    Misty I think you may be right. They both make no sense with their comments and certainly don't offer any intelligent comments in their posts. They're more to be pitied than anything else really. So sad. But I do look forward to reading all about George Brandis's diaries. Do you think he's been taking cash for comment or selling Australia to the Chinese?
    grounded
    8th Sep 2016
    12:34am
    Nitey nite Mareela....Sweet dreams.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    1:13am
    the usual reply of the dumbest of the dumb, backed up by an even dumber drongo who calls himself an ex public service worker????, any wonder this country with these sorts of imbeciles is going down, god help us if he tells the truth, then again I doubt that very much, sounds more like one of the homeless living in this city and relying on the handouts of the taxpayer, who in their right minds would employ such nitwits, then again labor has a proven track record of such stupidities, good to see misty was able to put in a reply he must have run out of cask wine. at this time of the night and mareela as for a translator ask your chinese or russian friends, they are the same colour as you, red.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:53am
    mareela, from time to time you come across people who just can't seem to put up a valid or sensible argument, they all seem to have the same trait, they rely on personal abuse, I have found the best way of managing them is to refuse to read their comments. As they rarely add anything of use to the conversation, it no great loss, it actually gives you time to read more reflective and informed opinions.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    10:09am
    exPS, I don't think I ever thanked you for reading all of my posts?
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:51pm
    No problem Frank, at least you know how to put a decent argument together. Even though in most cases you are wrong LOL.
    mareela
    8th Sep 2016
    10:16am
    ex PS you're absolutely right. They never add anything useful to the conversation. As I've said before they're more to be pitied than anything else. Despite abusive people like that, I have great faith in most Australians to be able to give an opinion without the abuse. Time will come for the conservatives to be routed. Nearly happened last election. Just hope the Australian economy can hold out till they're gone. Sadly the coalition have no idea of what to do to govern this country.

    8th Sep 2016
    10:51am
    The (enter gender) was a complete fool to even remotely consider any such thing, and that (enter gender defining term) ever did so shows never more clearly how totally naive, unthinking, shallow, empty-headed, and out of touch with the expectations of the general community politicians are. It also shows that they consider themselves to be above criticism, above the law, above common sense and decency, and that they are truly , in the main, only involved in politics as a means of feather-bedding themselves and their chosen running mates.

    The fact that this was a donation from a foreign government, proxy through a 'state-owned enterprise' set up using the entire resources of the state in order to benefit a few chosen 'Party' members and their families (wow -what's new?) though it may be, makes this even more stupid and heinous

    Now let me think for a while and I'll see if I can come up with any really nasty comment about this issue... I'd like to make it clear how I feel, after all.
    dougie
    8th Sep 2016
    11:06am
    Mr Dastyari has been given a second chance to do the ethical and moral thing. Resign from the Senate. He may not think he is compromised, but he is. When you accept a gift or action from any person or organisation you are indebted. At some time in the future Mr Dastyari will be reminded of past favours and the request will be made. Show some guts and get out of the position that you are in.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    11:30am
    He should be shown a quiet back room, handed a pistol, and told to do the honourable thing...
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:53pm
    TREBOR, if we did that to every politician that was caught with their noses in the trough we would run out of ammunition. Maybe we could charge the cost of the bullet against their estate.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    2:08pm
    Damn - I never thought of that - anyone got some Samurai swords hanging about - the little one - the Katana - is ideal for cutting out the guts... I KNEW there was a reason I was eyeing off that set while I was traveling..

    **reminisces** Oh, man - that Yamamoto lady.. class all the way....

    Pardon the wanderings of an old man....
    Misty
    8th Sep 2016
    6:29pm
    Does that mean Julie Bishop must go too?, $600,000 donation to her party must surely mean the donors would be wanting something in return.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:37pm
    Misty of course they do, but as it is a donation it does not fall into the same category as this. On this occasion we are talking about a gift, which I am afraid to say is worse in my eyes as it becomes more personal.
    A donation to a party is managed within the party and has less chance of being used for personal gain. It more likely to be used as leverage by the giver in order to gain an advantage in the marketplace.
    mareela
    8th Sep 2016
    12:08pm
    Trebor, that's a bit drastic don't you think? We should then see lots of government MP's and PM doing the honourable thing. All that blood, might get a bit messy. A simple resignation, or, better still another election would surely suffice.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    12:56pm
    I don't think the LNP would like the idea of another election, in fact they will do everything possible to prevent it.
    They have learnt their lesson after their last debacle, they can't afford to lose any more seats.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    2:09pm
    Damn -if we offer them another election the 'rusted-ons' will just vote the twerp back in.... we need another election with the candidates facing their constituents as above in town halls etc, and the castaway (Tom Hanks? Sorry, Wilson...) not permitted to stand.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    2:10pm
    Oh - I reiterate - one more victory like that and there will be no coalition left....
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    2:40pm
    Bill Shorten is practicing his whittling as we speak. Our last two PMs were foreign donations. They must stop!!
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:46pm
    Like the Prez of the US of A - you have to be born here?
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    7:03pm
    I cant see why that would be a problem. The pool is smaller I guess.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    8:27pm
    I totally agree, Frank. The pool would still be enormous, and surely in there somewhere is some Talent.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    2:35pm
    Bill Shorten has said that Sam Dastyari has made a mistake by following the Labor/Union rules.
    Dastyari says what he did was in the rules but he did the wrong thing.
    Is anyone else confused by this rhetoric?
    Will some enterprising journo ask them what they mean??
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:46pm
    It's no mystery Frank, for decades politicians have used the parliamentary rules to enhance their own lifestyle. They have no concept of just because you can do something it does not mean you should.
    For example politicians on all sides buy houses in Canberra in their spouses names, rent it from their spouses and collect huge allowances for living away from home.
    Perfectly legal and above board in their eyes, but not right in the eyes of most voters.
    This has been going on for decades, but no one has put a stop to it.
    I am confused myself, by what is meant by Labor/Union rules, I think you mean ALP/LNP rules as has been recently pointed out by Barnaby Joyce when defending members of his party.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2016
    9:35am
    Let's be clear. The ALP is a subsidiary of the Union movement.
    ex PS
    9th Sep 2016
    10:23am
    Yes Frank, the Union has close ties with the ALP, as they represent the same voter block and have a long history of working together, so what, it is no secret. It is much the same as the relationship between the farmers and the National Party or LNP,
    Neither provides any sort of tangible evidence that either of the founder groups participate in writing the political parties operational rules.
    I am a member of my local footy club, but it does not mean that i participate in writing the rules of conduct for the employees employed by the club.
    Just as the actual farmers are a separate organisation from the political party that represents them the Unions are a separate entity from the ALP.
    They both have a say through lobbying but neither has a say in the internal running of the party.
    The point I would like to make clear is that the LNP and the ALP share the same rules about rorting the system, which are basically, if you can get away with it, do it.
    Did you not see the news this morning, it makes their position very clear indeed. It seems both sides agree they like football finals.
    Gigi
    8th Sep 2016
    2:39pm
    Who wrote this tripe?? "...No one seems to be questioning the Coalition for selling off Australia’s dairy and agriculture industries to Chinese interests....." this is rubbish not support by FACT.
    Senator Dastyari was only concerned with himself & believed he could get away with being dishonest, such Politicians need to be fined for such actions & made to repay the debt to the contributor.
    No Politician should accept 'presents' from anyone, I agree "Two Coalition cabinet ministers, Steve Ciobo and Darren Chester, have suggested that political donations can only be made by individuals on the electoral roll" this is an excellent idea but of course LABOR would not support this as UNIONS would be barred from supporting Labor financially, as a member of a Union, I did inform my union that did NOT agree with this practice the Union didn't listen so I resigned.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2016
    2:42pm
    Gigi, I think there will be a milk thread next week.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    3:50pm
    It also means businesses, Gigi - and such donations from individuals should be capped and carefully scanned for family ties...

    "Mr Speaker! I, Fairley Richlee of Entitled ™ Enterprises, did not have transactual relations with that Party and nor did my Enterprises!!! My son, daughter, wife, dog, goldfish, dead garden rose, embalmed uncle, pet rabbit, fishing boat, and gerbil may have - but not I!"
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2016
    8:23pm
    and those rusted on laborites still think dackary did the right thing, any wonder this once great country is on a downhill trend?
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    9:56pm
    Gigi, it is a shame that you chose to opt out of the Union, it is people such as yourself who can make a moral stand when required that make Unions strong. But I fully understand your point of view.
    I would like to see funding for election campaigns capped at the same level for each party and based on the number of members running. Every participant should get the same amount to run their campaign and should be disqualified if they go over the budget allowed.
    This would reduce or even get rid of the need for campaign donations from anyone.
    Captain
    9th Sep 2016
    1:48pm
    Heemskerk99,

    This country was set on a downhill slide when the Whitlam govt was sacked.

    And, no, I am not a rusted on or even a Labor supporter.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2016
    8:16pm
    captain, whitlam was sacked because he tried to sell Australia out for thirty pieces of silver from an arms dealer in the middle east, why do you think he got the biggest hiding in any election ever, simply the people of Australia woke up to the sell out. Agree fraser was not the best prime minister Australia ever had, after all he lost his pants, but he put this great country on the map, after that most of the labor governments put this once great country downhill, hawkey, 18% interest, to get to his position he had to knive haydon in the back days before the election and was followed by the banana republic announcer keating, who in turn stabbed hawkey in the back, defeated by howard liberal, stable government for a while after all howard was the 2nd longest serving prime minister, alas then the people voted in rudd, stabbed in the back soon after by gillard who then got stabbed in the back by rudd both able assisted by the now opposition leader bill shorten, and you still persist it all started when whitlam got sacked, fools get born every day,
    Gee Whiz
    10th Sep 2016
    8:56am
    Please stop referring to gifts, and money given to politicians and political parties as "donations".

    They are "bribes" pure and simple.

    Anyone who gives money or gifts to politicians and political parties do so because they expect favors in return. They want the political machine to do something for them.

    It is corruption in its purest form.

    If the Dastayri corruption scandal does nothing else it shows that you can buy an Australian politician for under two thousand dollars. That's probably a bargain basement price for a political rat.

    It will cost a lot more and a Swiss bank account for payoffs to the top echelon politicians.

    And because no politician, or party wants to stop this corrupt practice, it highlights the despicable moral standards ensconced in the Australian political system.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2016
    5:54pm
    great if not the best comment received for this column.
    ex PS
    12th Sep 2016
    6:24pm
    I agree, both so called major parties have come to rely on bribes to fund election campaigns. It is time to put a cap on the amount spent on election campaigns and to stop incumbent governments from using tax payers money to release advertising material thinly disguised as Public Information Broadcasts.


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