Election 2016: older voters fed up with election nonsense

Older voters have well and truly made up their minds how they will vote.

Election 2016: older voters fed up of election nonsense

After weeks and weeks of promises and pork barrelling – $50 billion here, $100 million there for promises as diverse as submarines, sports stadiums, paid parental leave and discount tickets at Questacon – the rhetoric has become so repetitious that it’s achieved the opposite effect to that intended – and caused most voters to stop listening.

Yes, short-term amusing beat ups including a ‘fake tradie’ with a $7000 TAG Heuer watch and the possibility that once upon a time Bill may have visited a strip club, might spark a flicker of interest. But for the vast majority of Australians, the election ran out of steam about a month ago. All we are waiting for now, it seems, is the size of the swing to independents and which leader might need to wrangle with the cross benches to form the next government.

But it didn’t have to end like this.

Note to Mr. Turnbull and Mr Shorten: according to comments on YourLifeChoices website, older voters only ever wanted three things:

  1. Affordable healthcare for all
  2. A more stable and equitable retirement income system
  3. More consistent and long-term economic planning

And if we were to modify point two to include ‘a more equitable company and personal tax regime’ and added a fourth point requesting ‘a more equitable and affordable housing market’, then we just may have covered off on the most pressing concerns for the majority of Australian voters, across all generations.

Older voters will have a huge influence in Election 2016, as those aged 50 and over comprise 47 per cent of the voting population. John Howard famously believed that it was older voters who put him in power and they were well rewarded with overly-generous superannuation incentives for this support. So it comes as no surprise that those aged 50 or over are extremely concerned about their retirement prospects and the hope of living a long and dignified life, rather than Age Pension payment to Age Pension payment.

But the time to explore and explain the necessary finer details for all policies is long past. Hopes were elevated when Mr Turnbull became Prime Minister in September 2015, mainly because of his promise on the night he replaced Tony Abbott, declaring 

“We need to have in this country, and we will have now, an economic vision, a leadership that explains the great challenges and opportunities that we face.

Describes the way in which we can handle those challenges, seize those opportunities and does so in a manner that the Australian people understand so that we are seeking to persuade rather than seeking to lecture.”

And it is fair to say that the high hopes of the majority of Australians have been dashed as tired slogans and facile political jibes have replaced explanation of policy. This is not a party political observation – it seems that ‘we stopped the boats’ and ‘we have a plan for jobs and growth’ are vying with ‘they will kill Medicare’ and ‘we have 100 positive plans’ in a race to the bottom for simplistic slogans.

Sadly, modern Australian politics took a turn for the worse about 10 years ago when fear and negativity became the order of the day. It peaked with ‘Dr. No’, Tony Abbott in 2013 – and won him an election. So now both major parties have made running fear campaigns an art form. What they don’t seem to grasp is that the electorate is actually far smarter than this lazy tactic and more than able to listen to policy detail and evaluate it for themselves. But doing the hard yards of explaining policies, seeking feedback, seeking – God forbid – a workable compromise with the opposition, and crafting moderate legislation really has become a bridge too far.

So if the major parties are whacked over the head on 2 July, they will only have themselves and their profound lack of political courage to blame.

What do you think? Did you turn off a while ago? Do the above policy points accurately reflect your wish list for our next government? Or do you see things differently?

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    Jurassicgeek
    27th Jun 2016
    10:06am
    I've got a big stick and I'm gonna whack the major parties over the head big time..They have lost touch with reality and the people they are supposed to represent... no majors for me ..all minors for me..
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    10:33am
    That is the way forward. Even the Greens may be worth a vote maybe although I cannot subscribe to their immigration policy. I'll be going for Independents although on the lower house I may have to go Greens as some of the Independents in my electorate look like defacto votes for the coalition and that won't be happening any time soon.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Does anyone really know if voting for independents is a good idea or a bad idea? I very much doubt it.

    One has only to look at what happened late last week in the UK to see that a protest vote for the independents may not be a very good idea at all. I just hope that Australians have learnt a lesson from what happened in the UK.

    Remember whatever happens the parliament with be led by the LNP or Labor so why not vote for one of them anyway and not create something that nobody really wants or needs?
    Brue
    27th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    Remember this. Uk voted out of the EU because the people were sick to death of the Government treating its citizens like dirt, The voice was so strong the people got what they didn't really want. But their voice was heard and the Government noticed their voice. The same as France and Germany heard them. Although we may end up with a hung parliament. The Government will hear our voices through your vote for independents. Let your voice be heard even though may be unsure.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    12:42pm
    I agree, Bruce. Old Geezer, there is only one way to tell the arrogant self-serving bastards that we've had enough. There's only one way to make them listen to the people and govern FOR the people, instead of for their own greedy ends and the benefit of their elite mates. we MUST send a message. If it means a little disruption, that's maybe precisely what we need right now to put an end to the selfish approach that is destroying our society.
    Scrivener
    27th Jun 2016
    12:47pm
    Old Geezer asks,"Does anyone really know if voting for independents is a good idea or a bad idea?"
    Well, yes it is a good idea because the liars in the two party system now are acting completely in their own self-interest. The ONLY way to send a message to them is through the ballot box because they are not listening to Australia at all. It is EXACTLY the same reason the Brits voted for leaving the EU - not so much that the idea of a European Union is not a good idea, but because the power that now owns the EU is not listening to its constituents and they are certainly not listening the the British.
    So, like the Brits, the only recourse left to ordinary voiceless Australians is to make the bastards quake in their boots so that even if they are returned to power, they will get such a shock to see no one supports them that they might be a little contrite and start listening to us.
    Placing power in the hands of one major party captured by its right wing and the other captured by its left wing is no way to govern a country. So, for me, this time, it is all the Independents I can vote for on polling day.
    We are not stupid we are just voiceless.
    The ballot box is the only voice we have.

    On another note, I listened to Tanya Pliberseck on the ABC Insiders program yesterday and she is the first politician who seemed to reflect my own experience - which means that she seemed to speak to the truth (my truth) - as much any politician can speak the truth.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    Not the Greens Mick, please wash your mouth out with a schooner of Stout.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:58pm
    So you are prepared to suffer badly just to get your point across. Well if that aint madness then I am not sure what is. One has only to see how the Brits are now regretting their decision and want another vote.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    Old Geezer- Few Independents in the Senate and Senators from the Minor Parties is our defense shield against Bills and Legislation that affect our life and living conditions.
    Few Independents and Minor Parties as Lower House Representatives will do no harm to at least keep the bastards honest and in check.
    Eventually, a wise and a smart minor party will prove its worth to win over by a majority vote in the future.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    I sort of have to agree with you HS. Got a bar of soap......?
    If it were not for the poisonous immigration policy they hold the Greens would be the number one contender given that they want to introduce a federal ICAC to investigate the funding arrangements of political parties and will not take funding from the coal industry.
    I really care not about homosexuals wanting to marry each other although I prefer not to see what used to be a sacred process extended to what it was never intended to cover.......and I suggest never should.
    It will be an interesting election. We might see more Greens get up than any of us wants though. I'll be voting Independent at any rate.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    You forget one thing. The senate is not the government just a house of review. No government can govern if the senate governs for them instead. That is hat has been happening for the last 3 years.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:05pm
    Get your facts straight ! Its the Sulky Libs who didn't get their own way, that want another vote ! :-(( If you check into it Thousands on the Re Vote petition are Fake and Foreign !! :-)
    Brue
    27th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    Yes Old Geezer , if it causes turmoil and disruption , so be it . If we don't let our voices heard this time around, our faces will be pushed further into the dirt. And if we don't let our voices be heard that we want Australia back for Australians and not be told by outsiders what they want us to do. Yes even if it causes a hung Parliament. They WILL hear our voices , And I for one will not crawl under a rock hoping every thing will be alright.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    I have heard that both major parties could force another election other than have a hung parliament.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    1:18pm
    Old Geezer a number of things fed into the Brexit result i.e. fear of immigration, disillusionment with politicians and yes possibly ignorance of all aspects of the issue... etc. etc.

    But not sure I'd see choosing a candidate from one of the minor parties i.e. The Greens, Xenophon Team, Independents etc.in next Saturday's election as initiating the same sort of global disruption as the Brexit result has...

    Yep the major parties want everyone to think the sky will fall if you vote for anyone other than the LNP or Labor, which by any measure is pretty darn controlling, arrogant, infantilising, limiting, and basically treating Australian voters like bloody idiots......

    Personally see it as a good thing to have other voices and perspectives at the table so to speak i.e. The Greens, Xenophon Team, Independents etc. etc. Which to my mind is more representative of a diverse Australia and could perhaps be manifested in something like multi-party government...
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:18pm
    Look at all the Rats jumping Ship in England !! :-) :-) Should say something ? Just what though ? :-)
    Brue
    27th Jun 2016
    1:21pm
    At least Old Geezer , They WILL hear the Australian voices. If we just keep voting Libs Or Labs back in each time , we deserve To get it up the rear end.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:30pm
    Yes they will hear you but will you like the consequences of your cry?
    Do you even know what they will be?
    Brue
    27th Jun 2016
    1:48pm
    No I don't know what the consequences will be. No one, But no one will know what the outcome will be. But at least it shows Australians are sick of being shit on. And at least some of us are not bending over to take it up the arse.
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    2:15pm
    well Old Geezer I look at it like this. Greens ,independents and minority party are actually a true reflection of the society we live in, Why should who we vote for only be black or white ....LNP or Labor. After all the LNP is made up of The Nationals a minority Party themselves who only represent about 4.6 % of the National population compared to The Greens who represent about 8 or 9%.
    When a party has absolute power they tend to not govern for the interests of all and have always rode roughshod over the opposition when making legislation. I'm quite happy to have Independents acting as an over sight committee.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    Ditto mango.

    For the record Geezer (Frank?) the senate is a house of review and is expected to knock back bad bad legislation. You can demonise it for the last 3 years but it has repelled an attack on average Australians from the rich attempting to turn average citizens into poverty stricken people like in the US. The corporate tax cuts may be the last act of treason from this big business owned government but the intent is crystal clear and goes with the normal storyline.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    Whoever is in government will have to cut corporate taxes so big business will win Mick. If they don't cut corporate tax rates then even more profits will be shifted off shore as we are now part of a global economy and multinationals will pay tax in which ever country offers them the best rate.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:37pm
    That's an assumption made by the rich for the rich. The issue is that profits should NEVER have been allowed to be shifted to low taxing countries and this is the myth the right is peddling. A race to the bottom ultimately costs us all and given the high level of remuneration at the top of the company tree I think governments of all manner need to make the bastards pay. After all it is the money of the country, something the idle rich cannot come to grips with wherever they are in the world.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    6:29pm
    Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs - let's just make sure it is the eggs of the major parties for a change and not ours all the time just to suit them, their ideology and their donating and ideological mates.
    scud
    27th Jun 2016
    6:30pm
    Australians are variously concerned, amongst other things, about the sale of agricultural land to foreign entities, the ‘not so fair’ free trade agreements, multinationals transfer pricing and not paying their fair share of tax, the demise of manufacturing, jobs for youth of today and the future while jobs go overseas, Australia’s foreign debt, immigration and broken promises (promises made by the major parties to get into power but not kept – just lies).

    The Brexit vote should be a wake-up call to our two major parties to start to listen to us, and not only at election time when they feel the threat of a serious loss of seats, e.g. broken promise of submarines for SA at 2013 election which came good because of the potential loss of Christopher Pynes' and other liberal seats to the Nick Zenophon Team. Who said voting for an independent isn't worth it?

    In Australia, a commentator at the The Business Insider said that ‘Basically, Brexit was a tantrum. Britons looked at an institution that was flawed and unresponsive …’

    USAToday provided an analysis of the Brexit vote which has parallels with the current Australian situation.

    “the lesson for residents of Europe, the U.K. and the United States is that anger looks for the simplest solution and chooses it, if possible. The British pro-EU forces cited many risks in leaving — potential economic turbulence or the rupturing of ties with an entire continent — but the supporters of Leave had heard those threats and promises time and again. They felt pushed around, and they didn't care.

    But it's too easy to dismiss the anger as based solely on opposition to immigration or bureaucrats in Brussels. For decades, working-class voters in Britain, Europe and the United States have heard countless promises from their politicians and business leaders. The data may support the benefits of free trade or reduced dependence on coal, but for many who have lost their jobs the data mean nothing.

    Voters have been told by politicians of all stripes that their problems have simple answers. Repeal Obamacare and everything will be better. Support NAFTA and the overall economy will grow. Vote for us, and the factory you and your family have worked in for decades will remain open. Then nothing happens or the plant closes and moves somewhere with cheaper labor costs.”

    In the UK, The Economist described it thus: “…it as has triggered an angry revolt by millions of British voters against their government, the leaders of the main political parties, big business and experts of all stripes.”

    Don’t the above quotes sound familiar. So, I hope the major parties are whacked over the head on the 2 July.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:53pm
    ...and what will all that really achieve?

    27th Jun 2016
    10:07am
    I voted for what is good for Australia as a whole (as I see it) not for what I will or won't' get out of it personally.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    10:35am
    That is wonderful. There should be more of this happening. I do hope that you have not been deceived by the adds Turnbull is running though as these are, like his predecessor, lies on lies. Good luck Pepe. Always good to see a person who cares about the nation rather than their own hide.
    KSS
    27th Jun 2016
    1:20pm
    Pepe, despite the patronising smugness of Mick's response, I have always done the same and voted for what I think is best for Australia. As a single, childless, working adult there is never anything from either side specifically for people like me.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    1:25pm
    I will vote for what I believe is good for me as an Australian. If it's good for me it's good for many. I've already done my bit for the country over last 45 years now let's see the country do something for people like me. If the government members can pay themselves such high salaries, high superannuation, high retirement expenses for ex-politicians and high government paid retirement pensions, then it can pay a higher Age Pension to over 1.5 million age pensioners. How? Cut the cost of keeping retired millionaire politicians by two thirds. That's how!
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/politicians-pensions-the-age-of-entitlement-is-alive-and-well-20150806-git7i0.html?logout=true

    22 federal politicians retire in 2016 with a pension plan to tax payers costing more than $40 million a year on top of their million dollar homes and property investments. Are they subject to Assets Indexation taper rates? Subject to Deeming Income test?
    Brue
    27th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    To Mick. Adds! What Adds? Who in their right mind would believe any thing they say is true ant that they won't go back on their word. What they are saying is- I am a x second hand car salesman . Would I lie to you?
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/retiring-federal-politicians-will-get-sixfigure-pensions-for-life-20160303-gna6c1.html
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:32pm
    A retired PM's pension is better than a Back benchers ! And well worth a Backstabbing !! Because they are self Serving and don't give a Stuff what the public think any more !! Prepare for a Changing of the Guard often !! Your turn... Whoever !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    4:22pm
    KSS as a single, childless working adult you have paid your share of taxes and got little in return.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:34pm
    KSS: If you truly are what you say then how about you think of the future of this country rather than the destruction of what once was a great nation. The current lot are about selling off the country and turning the 99% into poverty afflicted slaves. That is not Australia is about and this lot can take their lies and deceit and p*** off. Clear enough?
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    6:03pm
    yes mick, australia was a great country till the likes of yours were born
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    7:19pm
    Now, now, heemie.... that's not nice and Mick didn't give a personal affront to KSS - just slagged the party....

    Be careful how you speak.... my forebears built this country for your kind... and I prefer to treat all others equally....

    THAT, my son, is the Australian way... not the current theft from the common person for the benefit of the self-appointed elite few of any political stamp.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:05pm
    Thanks for the kudo TREBOR>
    Actually heemsjerk I have contributed to the nation. You have not. There is a difference.
    fearlessfly
    27th Jun 2016
    10:11am
    Dead right about not listening, I made up my mind a year ago who I am NOT going to vote for - The Coalition ratbags. I just mute the TV when their bullshit opposition bashing "messages" come on, I do not bother to read any of the printed garbage from ANY party.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    10:36am
    Many others have also made their choices already.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:18am
    Written and Spoken by P Nutt Is my favourite :-) :-)
    fearlessfly
    27th Jun 2016
    11:33am
    Sent an email to Turnbull a couple of weeks ago, advising that their campaign policy of ripping into and making derogatory statements about the opposition, was having the opposite effect on me. Dammit all, I don't think he read beyond the first line as it's still happening ! :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    Yeah, the coalition campaign has been a nasty nasty piece of work. I cannot fathom how anybody could vote for such an already established malicious bunch of liars. Defies reason.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:56am
    Yeah !! I said give us your Policy's !! Never mind Assassinating the Opposition ! :-( :-( They can do that without your help !! :-)
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:00pm
    I've only seen negative ads form Labor myself. Then again I rarely watch TV.

    I just can't get past that big blatant Medicare lie from Labor. Do they really think we are such fools?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:07pm
    Your posts are rusted on posts from the LNP Geezer.
    The latest defies the last 6 weeks where Turnbull and his other cronies defame Shorten at every turn. Much of it lies. Remember the big placard with the $50 billion claimed black hole? I do. Two days later that was shown for the lie it was. Never mind though, on to the next one.
    I might point out to you that Medicare has been in the crosshairs of every coalition government since it was introduced. The current batch may not sell it off but they will continue to impose costs at the fringes until Australians are effectively funding their own health care anyway. The American model: the rich with cover and the poor left in the gutter to die.
    No thank you Geezer. Not happening!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    Maybe ?? I was on Twitter and there are Adds for Joining Medicare everywhere ? Might be to get a good price for,.. No! that cant be right !!
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:16pm
    Mick it doesn't matter to me who is in government. What I do know however that people should not be protest voting thinking their vote doesn't count. The consequences of doing just that were seen late week in the UK. So all I am saying is think before you cast that protest vote about what are the consequences.

    It would not surprise me that if too many independents get elected and neither of the two major parties can form government that they force us back to the polls.
    KSS
    27th Jun 2016
    1:36pm
    Oh Mick you finally got one thing right. The 50b was a 'lie' it is really $101b according to the ALP's own figures.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:52pm
    Good try LNP trolls but the historical facts are the facts!
    Turnbull and his sidekick Morrison DID front up in front of the cameras with a giant poster and pointer with Morrison pointing at the '$50 billion black hole' message selling his lie.
    So now you up the ante to deny the facts? What else do deadbeat coalition trolls do!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    2:03pm
    How many Trees Suffered to vote for these Donkeys ?? I think I'll vote Green ?? :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    10:30am
    What you describe Kaye sounds like the formation of a dictatorship in progress. That was my greatest fear when Abbott was pushed into office by the media propaganda machine. Abbott started by trying to kill off free speech in the ABC but failed but Turnbull has installed a new CEO whose past is a clear picture to the commercialisation of the ABC in the future.
    Voters may have grown tired of the lies but there is no denying the propaganda from the big business owned and directed media plugging their man.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    Clearly, from his arrogant speech urging voters NOT to vote for Hanson, Xenophon, etc., he is demanding a dictatorship. I sincerely hope voters respond appropriately. Tell him plainly we won't stand for his arrogance and contempt for our rights.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    No Rainey unlike you he knows what will happen if voters don't take notice of him.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:08pm
    It is so Rainey.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    6:34pm
    One of my greatest fears, Mick, is that many will lose track of the past three years of utter debacle and vote these self-serving clowns back in...

    I'm a dissenter from way back, and opposed in writing many initiatives of governments left and right, stating clearly my reasons for doing so.

    My reward was to be gulaged by a few very nasty moves.... I've written a book or two about it - the truth will not be hidden.... and they haven't come after me since my first book about their shenanigans was published online, though I remain outspoken to the max, and will continue to do so.

    Somewhere in this country are good people and true who will listen to truth.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:57am
    That TREBOR is the danger of a propaganda campaign from the commercial media which has ceased to be a reporter and is a player. The big media outlets are either directly owned by big business moguls or controlled by big business. So they routinely run propaganda campaigns and promote their side of politics.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    8:37pm
    Old Geezer, I know EXACTLY what will happen if voters DO take notice of him. Our society will be further destroyed. Retirees will be further screwed. Heaven help people who need health care and can't afford it. Education will be for the rich only. And coal producers and billion-dollar tax-evading businesses will be given more money to stash in Panama.
    Sen.Cit.90
    27th Jun 2016
    10:47am
    Today I jumped off the voting fence.
    All week I've tuned into ABC 24 news, listening to various pollies spouting their views (including Bill Shorten's address),today I listened to Malcolm Turnbull's address.
    I've concluded that we cannot afford a sentimental vote to teach them a lesson by voting Independent, especially in the Senate, it will only lead to another hung Parliament..
    In these uncertain times Australia needs a strong government.
    I will be voting for the Coalition in both houses.
    Of coarse I realise Mick and others will criticize me for this; don't waste your time. Even considering the 'Greens' to me is fascicle.
    Sen.Cit.90
    27th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    oops!! fascicle should read Farcical (Farce)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    11:23am
    Not criticism Sen.Cit as you can vote as you choose.
    What I find unbelievable is that you are so easily taken in by a slick media campaign from the big end of town and at the same time ignore $50 billion of tax cuts to the richest part of society, most of which is heading straight to the USA.
    The question I need to ask you is WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY FOR TAX CUTS IS COMING FROM? The answer is clearly either more debt on top of the $100 billion added by the coalition in the last 3 years and/or higher taxes for average Australians. I suggest on form that both will be the case.
    Your choice defies logic but that is what slick media campaigns do. God help us if voters really believe that Turnbull and his cronies care one iota about the nation and that they have any credibility and/or are capable of doing a better job than the opposition.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    11:59am
    MICK, Sen.Cit.84 simply gave a personal view. There is no need to attack Sen.Cit.84 for having an opinion. We are not living in Russia.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:09pm
    I agree with you Sen.Cit.84. Australia needs stability and a strong government so it's better the devil you know than one you don't.

    The Coalition has a very good chance of retaining power with worse case scenario of a hung parliament. We do not need a hung parliament in these uncertain times. That's why both sides are telling everyone not to vote for independents.

    So protest all you like by voting for independents but remember to try and visualise the bigger picture. One has only to see what happened in the UK to see what happens when people protest vote without knowing the consequences.

    Believe me Mick those companies tax cuts will be a small price to pay instead of another dysfunctional government.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    12:47pm
    What we need, Old Geezer, is a government that governs for the people, not for themselves and their elite mates. We need to end the arrogance and contempt for ordinary Australians, and the ONLY way to do that is to send a clear message to the arrogant bastards that we will not tolerate their lies, greed, and self-serving attitude any longer.

    Company tax cuts a small price to pay - for what? For the destruction of our health care system, our pension system, our education system, and our welfare system? And for ballooning debt!!!! Please, a hung parliament! YES PLEASE!
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:08pm
    Well one can only hope that most people are sensible enough to think twice about a protest vote. Very few people benefit from a hung parliament especially if both major parties decide to vote through legislation to teach the voters a lesson.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    Good try Geezer. Sling the propaganda by all means and sell your party's view by all means but Independents in the parliament is happening. Liberal and Labor are powerless to stop this and even changing the rules is not going to get the result you want.
    Just like the UK the big end of town does not always get what it demands.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:02pm
    Problem is Mick that if you hurt the big end of town then it seems to have a way of hurting you more.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    You have all wrong Geezer and need to look to the US for proof. The big end of town seeks to turn citizens into slaves. That is the endgame and Turnbull has cast the lot on his way out. If re-elected it will be game on.
    If you are saying that the big end of town is in business for the benefit of citizens then you need your head read. They are in it for PROFIT and will not think twice about hurting its employee base. The rich have no conscience other than where their bank accounts are concerned.
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    2:45pm
    In Germany the Greens party won 8.4% of the votes and 63 out of 630 seats in the Bundestag.
    Expect the Green's Policies over here to get the same support. For too long our Environment has been treated with contempt. Many of our birds, wildlife and Flora has been razed to extinction .We along with multi nationals have been raping our country and the Australian people receiving a pittance for resources along with a large clean up bill. People now are looking back and saying enough is enough. Governments can only allow the outsourcing of jobs and the use of cheap labour for so long before people wake up to them selves. That's why many people are dis-satisfied with both labor and the LNP and are turning to the Greens and Independents.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:30pm
    You are on the money mango. Young people have tuned out of the BS from the current lot and are voting Greens. This may be a problem for boomers as young people believe they are hard done by but it is what it is.
    I agree with your view on the environment. The current lot do not even give a tinkers about the Great Barrier Reef and are happy to promote a giant coal mine which is set to put the last nail in the coffin for the reef. Obviously the idiots who are the coalition are of the opinion that tourists will come to see a dead reef. Criminal behaviour!
    And then there was the coal mine adjacent to the Liverpool Plains. A mine which put underground water and stood to destroy the most fertile farming land in the country for a mine which has a 40 year life. Hard to believe that those responsible are not doing time in Long Bay jail, the place they deserve to be in.
    I will be voting against the current government. We all should if we support the future of our country.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    7:04pm
    I rather thought our 'uncertain times' were the direct result of OUR (the people) NOT having a 'hung Parliament'..... continuing with the same failed mess is insane to me....
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    7:34pm
    "Very few people benefit from a hung parliament especially if both major parties decide to vote through legislation to teach the voters a lesson."

    THAT is precisely the form of Fascist tyranny that we need to overthrow in advance here, people... not just stick our heads in the sand and our arse up waiting for the sword strike...
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:58pm
    I agree very few will benefit from a hung parliament. I too believe that both major parties will decide just to vote through legislation as a payback to voters. Let's face it their policies are not that far apart and that is a real possibility.
    LiveItUp
    28th Jun 2016
    7:39am
    I also agree that a hung parliament benefits on a very few. Not good for australa. We need a stabile government not what we have had for the kast decade.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:55am
    A hung parliament is much much better than a Turnbull government would ever be. We do not need a Turnbull led dictatorship and we all remember attempt after attempt from Abbott/Hockey to created new taxes for the poor. Now the current leader proposes to give $50 billion in tax cuts to the wealthy and NOT PAT FOR IT.
    Talk about unsuitable to govern.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2016
    9:25am
    A vote for the Coalition is nothing more than a vote for huge businesses and global corporations. Seen the attempts to reduce wages lately?
    A 50% pay cut is the non-negotiable offer for employees of Griffin Coal.
    Chevron have cut wages on every LNG project they are operating or bringing on stream.
    This is the stark future for Australians if you vote in a Govt that kow-tows on every level to outrageous corporate demands - less of everything for Joe Blow - while the huge corporations produce massive wealth from OUR natural resources, and send that wealth to the already super-rich.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:23am
    YEAH ! Well I'm voting for BREXIT !! :-)
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    If you want to Wallow in this Tub of Pigs Swill forever, just vote the way you always vote !! :-( :-(

    27th Jun 2016
    11:25am
    OVER IT - and bored out of my mind with the BS, spin and propaganda of major party politicians and the unthinking loyalty of some preachy, righteous, sermonising obnoxious 'rusted ons' particularly of the rightwing variety...If nothing else that alone is enough to push voters to put LNP and Labor last and give someone else a go....
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:34am
    I just said that !! :-) :-)
    East of Toowoomba
    27th Jun 2016
    11:26am
    Well stated, Kaye, that about sums up my thoughts on the current election debacle.
    leigh308
    27th Jun 2016
    11:32am
    @Sen.Cit.84;
    You want a strong Government? And you would subscribe to one of the major parties? Who are both weakened by factional infighting and unable to field a leader for a full term? The most stable government we have had was the hung parliament in my opinion. A parliament beholden to a bunch of independents has at least a chance of making decisions for the greater good rather than some selfish faction with an agenda and a percentage of the party-machine vote. The confrontational 2 party system has failed Australia and it is time to tell it so in clear terms that it understands. And Mick while some independants may be a de facto vote for the coalition to form a government, how they vote in the parliament has the potential to avoid the excesses of either of the major parties in actual legislation and action. I have already cast my vote for an independent, because I agree that it is best to vote for what is best for the country as a whole. The balance of power being held by independents who can exercise their conscience over the party whips is that best path IMHO.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    Well Written !! IMHO :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    Well written leigh.
    It gives me hope that some of us have made a choice based on the circumstances and the bleeding obvious rather than their age old 'football team'. Well done.
    Sen.Cit.90
    27th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    OK Leigh,
    back on the fence I go :-) Confess I'd not considered better government due to independents; I still consider the Greens a Farce.

    Government similar Switzerland's as spelled out by the: www.restoreaustralia.org.au in their publication of 'A Draft Constitution for the Sovereign Nation of Australia'. Would be my choice; until then perhaps the 'Australian Liberty Alliance' and Pauline Hansen are back as my first choice. My decision will be finalized on the 2nd July.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    12:49pm
    Greens are a disaster. Independents are definitely the way to go. We need to break the power of the arrogant majors at all costs.
    Golfer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:23pm
    Did someone suggest that independents don't have an agenda.
    Remember Rob Oakshit and Tony Windsor to name just two. Knuckleheads of the highest order self acclaimed selfish agendas totally to choose the side that gives their electorate the most from the coffers.
    Windsors sole aim was to "stick it up Barnaby Joyce" not to pursue any other aspiration. Holding an incumbent (and country) to ransom is a disgrace.
    Sen.Cit; disappointed you backed away so quickly. Your earlier points of view were well put.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    Sen.Cit - Hanson is a defacto coalition candidate. That says it all. So who you really advocating we should vote for?

    Golfer - so here we go with all the old old BS. The last 3 years with the Crossbench Independents saving us all says a lot more than you spew about Windsor and Oakeshott. I might add that as well as voting with Labor in getting sound policies through (like banking protections for consumers) these two wanted legislation to protect gambling addicts from themselves and legislation to stop the pubs and clubs selling alcohol to young men to the point of then killing people outside venues. You never bothered to mention that. Why?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:10pm
    Mick Wilkie was your antigambling man. He only stood for one reason so was very easily won over. I haven't seen any important in problem gamblers though.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:43pm
    You are a LNP cherry picker Geezer/Frank. I do not know enough about Wilkie but recognise your form. Negativity and avoidance of inconvenient facts.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:51pm
    Mick stop showing your ignorance of the facts. I have nothing to do with the LNP, Labor or any other pollies. I do however know many or them and are known by some personally as well.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    3:10pm
    It was Oakshot who began the scare campaign against the Welfare expenditure in 2010/2011.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:22pm
    Geezer: most of your posts are coalition propaganda. Little discussion. Just the BS which is currently airing on the TV. Tell me about it.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    7:12pm
    Sen Cit - much as I admire the way the Swiss have survived for so long - their style of government does not suit Australia any more than Swedish Feminist Sharia does.

    We do not, Like Switzerland, have three discrete (if not necessarily discreet) groups of different ethnic origins, and thus have little to no chance of installing and maintaining a 'proportional representation system' such as Labor is trying to foist on us via 'women's rights' right here and now.

    If we once go down that path, where is the end of it? Next it will be Muslims demanding a percentage of seats, or Aboriginals, or Islanders, or even (god forbid) White Men, and all to cater to their own 'culture' and 'ideology' as handed down by generations.

    I am more of the older style of allowing the local electorate to decide who it wants to represent them.... not some party hack foisted upon us for whatever reason.

    If - as Labor so obviously seems to fear - that means that fewer women will be elected into office - so be it.... but the converse is true as well.

    In this sense ONLY (and this is not to be taken as a Trebor precedent) - let the market place decide.
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2016
    10:21am
    No, let the skill, training, experience and attitude of the applicant decide. A good candidate will pick him/herself regardless of their race or religion or political agenda. If I was a gay, female aboriginal union boss I would get a start for sure in the ALP it seems.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:06pm
    Yeah Frank, the LNP would discriminate against you.

    27th Jun 2016
    11:34am
    Yesterday I received an mail from Llew O'Brien containing the usual election promises and rhetoric, so decided to send him a reply, as follows:

    "Hi, Llew
    You have not mentioned anything in your email about proposals for helping Age Pensioners with meeting difficulties with increasing costs of living, better more equitable superannuation plans compared with those of politicians, and difficulties with escalating health insurance costs.
    Until such time that ANYONE in ANY of the incumbent political parties can show me ANY respect and compassion for Age Pensioners they WILL NOT be getting my vote.
    IF you can tell ONE THING you intend to do to better Age Pensioners' plight I would truly appreciate you giving me a reply, otherwise your silence will mean your intent in this area is NIL, just as suspect it is.
    Looking forward to your reply - ????"

    I don't really expect a reply, but if I do receive one I am fairly sure it will be merely self-serving platitudes of non-commital drivel amounting to no substance whatsoever, just like the televised and printed political lies of the LNP, Labor, and Greens.
    If you haven't already voted, please think very carefully for whom you do and let the history of the above three parties be a guide. With ANY ONE of them in complete control this wonderful country will go down the toilet. Don't fool yourself!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    None of your Down The Toilet Party's are on my list :-) :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    Good one Eddie.
    Janran
    27th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    We are all pawns to global corporations now. Our Governments are merely puppets, at the beck and call of global corporations.

    We are now their slaves. Big trade partnerships will ensure our wages are whittled down to the lowest possible, as we compete with the third world for employment, (even though the conditions in the third world are contrary to human rights). Children and the elderly are exploited and some people are literally "owned" by their masters, like farmers in India who are paying debts back to GMO seed companies like Monsanto. They can never pay them back, as they are contracted to buy new (GMO = sterile) seed each season. Their children are "bonded" into slavery, from birth.

    The LNP are the worst when it comes to sucking up to Big Corp, but Labor have also sold their souls to mining and particularly coal mining interests.

    Neither party are serious about addressing global warming. They are just thinking about the next three years and how to win government. By the time global warming has swamped all the seaboards of the islands and continents of the world, rich and poor, our pollies will still be sitting on their obese pensions or passed on.

    The LNP are the biggest liars and the masters of scare campaigns. It's incredible to think that Gillard told one pre-election lie and ousted a sitting PM while the LNP told a huge bunch of lies and have also ousted a sitting PM, but Gillard is still painted as a pariah of democracy while Turnbulldust is the new messiah. Yet Turnbull has called an early, DD election and is still holding on to Abbott's hate-inspired plebiscite - both a huge and unnecessary waste of tax-payer's money.

    And then there's the budget emergency...where? The LNP have tripled the deficit and are promising $50 billion tax cuts for big (read "foreign) business. Unfunded!!! And they think they are the better financial managers. Why? People just believe the hype, thanks to the Murdoch Press brainwashing them.

    Whatever you do, don't vote for the LNP pathological liars.

    Vote Green or Independent, but research your Independents thoroughly - they may be wolves in sheeps' clothing.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:06pm
    Last sentence: truer words were more obvious as there are plenty of trojans out there.
    BrianP
    27th Jun 2016
    11:38am
    This says it all. Mr Turnbull and Mr Shorten we are fed up with you both. We had enough of your tricks long ago. We don't trust you.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    11:42am
    Tricky Dicky and Pinocchio are out Brian ?? :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    11:43am
    Both sides as shaking in their boots because preliminary polls are already indicating that a growing number of AUstralians are going to vote Independent. Hence the pleading that they do not.
    I hope that the duopoly is brought to its knees.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    Who do we trust BrianP?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:54pm
    I agree Frank who are these independents that everyone thinks the sunshine out of anyway? Who do they really represent?
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    3:16pm
    Guess they can give their own view when voting on Legislation and not just parrot the Party line. Why bother voting for a LNP or Labor lackie who cannot give his own view but just has to mimic what some back room Party faceless men, who have not been elected by the people ,have told him to say.
    We don't want puppets representing us any more ,we want real people
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    4:11pm
    mango, you and MICK need to get your story straight. Is the LNP divided or are they singing from the same hymn book?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    Pretty damn obvious. The Majority do sing the same song. But away from the media you get the same problems as with Labor: party division.
    The INdependents we can count on are those who are in the current senate. The newly created Xenophon Party will secure a few seats and I read that 25% of South Australians will vote them in. In other states there are also Xenophon MPs and I'll be backing one of these.
    There are options even though the LNP trolls are spreading their vile rhetoric. Bring it on.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    7:50am
    Old Geezer, you can pick a cunning Laborite a mile off. They're the ones asking us to vote for an Independent. Only the Independents can get Shorten elected.
    Tom Tank
    27th Jun 2016
    11:59am
    I feel I must amend an old statement, made I think by Mark Twain, "there are lies, damned lies and anything coming out of a politician's mouth".
    We will never get a true democracy under the current party political system, which we inherited from the UK. Look at the mess they are in now.
    Something the really concerns me is that we need stable government but we also need fair and just government.
    Given that Turnbull is obviously a something of a hostage of the extreme right wing of the Liberal Party I cannot for the life of me see how he can live up to his claims to deliver stable government. We are going to have a plebiscite on same sex marriage yet he intends to have a free vote on it in Parliament. Why have the plebiscite then??
    This is a similar scenario to the UK where their P.M. called the referendum on the EU to placate his right wing and look at the trouble they are in now.
    Shorten call on Medicare is also scurrilous as the Libs have a much more subtle way of destroying that than privatising it.
    I honestly believe that we will get better government if it is a hung parliament and a coalition government of truly two or more parties get together as that will give a more uniform expression of the views of all Australians.
    The current LNP coalition is a farce with the Nats only interested in getting the perks of office. When in government with the Libs they claim Deputy P.M plus seats in Cabinet but out of government they claim independent party status and get the perks that entails.
    We definitely need an independent Senate so we don't have a rubber stamp for the lower house.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    12:18pm
    'Politicians and diapers should be changed often - and for the same reason'....Mark Twain
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    12:25pm
    I'd be thinking a hung parliament with Labor. AT the very least Labor is not going to export around $50 billion of taxpayer money to the US from corporate tax cuts. And of course Labor actually enact policies which benefit the country. The coalition never makes any of the big calls preferring instead to chase more wealth for the rich.
    Good luck on election day Tom but turn off the TV and think about who and why before you write.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:31pm
    I'm not thinking of a hung parliament at all.

    After what has happened in the UK the Coalition staying in power is now a near certainity. Odds of a coalition win have shortened even further today.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:46pm
    Don't bet on that one dear troll. But then let's wait and see what media saturation the big business party is yet to unleash. Monet speaks and big business has an endless supply trickling into coffers methinks.
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    Correct me if I'm wrong but it was the equivalent of the far right of the British LNP(the ultra conservatives) that brought about the referendum in the first place.
    So basically the same faction in British Politics,that is equivalent to the same Party faction over here as the ones who are pulling Turnbulls strings, bought about the Brexit.
    The ultra Conservatives. You can hardly call them Liberals.
    And that is what's wrong with the Liberals in this Country. They have been bushwhacked by the Conservatives.Too many too close to property developers ,mining companies etc.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    7:53am
    Yes, it would only be the conservatives. They're the ones who believe in democracy. The socialists always know what's best for us.
    GingerMeggs
    27th Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    the Libs need a good whack for stuffing up the broad band delivery via proper fibre optic to the home and cheating us by using 19th century phone copper instead. We the silent majority, have been conned by telling us this will ? save money and give us a 3rd world broadband system as a result. Now they will not admit it is blocking any hope of their jobs and growth propa-ganda from working. And now do not have the guts to admit the above and fix it. This choice is costing lots of home and small businesses their chance to get going - so much for their slogan and idea that we should become a 1st world Hi tech society when they deliberately block us by doing things like this. Make sure you number all the small party boxes for the Senate so your vote counts and gets a result against the big two major parties.. The more independents we have the more they might get the message - Things need to change
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    Turnbull stuffed the NBN and the project is now going to cost much more than the original estimate as we have had to pay Telstra for the copper network as well as incur huge extra costs for that last bit of neanderthal copper from the node to the home.
    Only one way to get the system fixed!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    12:41pm
    My Bronze Age Internet is working well today Mick !! Must like the Cold ? :-)
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    My NBN is awesome. There is no need for fibre to houses as most plans have it scaled back to about 10% of it's capabilities to make it cost efficient.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:44pm
    You get that when you live in the Wentworth Electorate !! :-)
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:59pm
    So you live in the Wentworth electorate particolor. I live many miles from that one myself.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:08pm
    I think particolor was saying YOU LIVE IN WENTWORTH. All of your post are blatant advertisements for the Liberal Party. not lost on too many readers here.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    2:14pm
    The Emperor wouldn't put up with the S**T I put up with here !
    He'd be down to Telstra in his Rall Merton's and Armani Suit pronto and put them Straight !! :-) :-)
    vinradio
    27th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    I have deliberated over my vote, but I am so angry and fed up with all the major parties, I am going for the independents.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    12:28pm
    Ditto. Just ask who the preference is going to at the polling booth.
    Scrivener
    27th Jun 2016
    12:24pm
    Since this election was announced I've rediscovered the joy of reading a book!
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    12:29pm
    May the force be with you. And may you make an informed choice not based on political advertising.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    12:35pm
    I've discovered that listening to Mario Lanza 78's is far better than listening to a Turnbull/Shorten Speech :-) :-)
    bebby
    27th Jun 2016
    1:09pm
    My mute button is working overtime
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:34pm
    I have a system allows me to time shift TV and cut out all the adds.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:09pm
    Mario Lanzer? You still playing 78s parti? At least update to 33s.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    No ! But that would be my Preference to Dribble and Dribblemore !! :-) :-)
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    5:38pm
    It's not The Little Red book is it? All about taking over Australia without having to lift a finger. Apparently you just wait until you get the LNP in power and you get them to change the Foreign Ownership and Free Trade Laws.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:08pm
    I thought they already had mango as well as look the other way with 120,000 457 'workers' to undercut Australian jobs.
    mangomick
    28th Jun 2016
    7:25pm
    The way some of our Maritime workers have been treated is scandalous.Turning up with "Goons " and forcibly removing them from ships just so they could man them with cheap labour. Very poor show.

    27th Jun 2016
    12:24pm
    I'll vote for as many independents as possible in the Senate and Labor in the House. We need to strip the majors of the power they are abusing and teach the super-arrogant would-be dictator, Turnbull, a lesson. How DISGUSTING to tell voters not to vote for Independents. He is power mad and a danger to Australia. I sincerely hope he meets his political end on July 2 and we never hear of him again.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:51pm
    What are the effects of voting for independents to teach the majors a lesson? Is this something you will worry about after it happens? Surely you don't what a dysfunctional hung parliament where the majors get together to enact legislation. Yes this could happen.
    KSS
    27th Jun 2016
    1:52pm
    "How disgusting to tell voters not to vote for Independents" seriously Rainey? Just as 'disgusting' for Mick to say exactly the same thing about the NLP and ALP?

    Oh no that's right, You AGREE with MICK and the ALP and DISAGREE with anyone else. Oh the joy of freedom of opinion and the right to vote!
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:18pm
    Trolls, trolls and more trolls. You two are what you are.
    My position comes from an analytical approach. I strip all loyalty out of the equation, ignore personal preferences and media advertising campaigns.
    It's not hard dear trolls but then your comments are 'cash for comment' rather than true discussion.
    In one sentence you attack me for shafting the ALP and in the next you accuse me of siding with the ALP KSS? You must be getting desperate.
    As I have been saying for a long long time the only logical vote to caste is one which,

    1. puts the current government last.
    2. strips power from both sides.
    3. works against the coal industry funding of both sides of politics. 4. removes vested interests from the equation.

    When you do that you end up up with INDEPENDENTS. Then all you have to do is ensure that the INdependent of choice has simply not just been put up by the coalition under another name and that one can be established on polling day by asking when you get the how to vote card. No answer = no vote. Basic dear Watson! You will hate it.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    8:51pm
    KSS, I don't have a problem with anyone NOT involved in politics, or even only minimally involved, telling others how to vote. What I have an issue with is the Prime Minister of a nation presuming to tell the public that they have no right of determination of their government. He is supposed to respect our political process and the intelligence and rights of voters. What he is doing is showing total contempt for political process and voters' rights. It IS disgusting.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    7:40am
    Rainey the alternative to an LNP government is chaos and more boats than you will be able to count. I'm sure we will get a regular update on the body count with our nightly news.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:56am
    Isn't it hilarious? Not only are their policies the same they have both chosen to use lies to help their own campaigns. ALP says the LNP will destroy Medibank and the LNP declares he ALP will let the boats in. Both without any basis of fact but both have faithful camp followers who like dutiful sheep keep the lies going.
    At least it helps to sort out the party hacks from the free thinkers.
    rtrish
    27th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    Stopped listening weeks ago. Fortunately I had a legitimate reason to vote early - so that's over, thank heavens. Now I just want the pain to stop!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    Ill take more than a Bex Powder and a Good lay down to stop the Pain of that lot :-(
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    I hope you made a decision you won't live to regret.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    I hope you ignored the political advertising and used your common sense.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    12:51pm
    Yeah, we can cut to the chaste fairly quickly, stand back and watch the BS dribble out of politician mouths which only makes us more resilient and determined to vote against the bastards.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    Fine but do you know what the effects of your decision to do this? No I didn't think so.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    1:35pm
    "do you know what the effects of your decision to do this? " Yes, absolutely I know! You think wrong Old Geezer. I also know how the policies of the current government have affected my life and my living conditions for the worse and the future is really begining to look bleak
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:45pm
    OK your living conditions may already be bleak but they are about to get a whole lot bleaker with a dysfunctional government. If the economy tanks then how are they going to pay the welfare bill?
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:59pm
    HMM ? Stop Importing Welfares ! :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    Geezer = LNP party machine propaganda. Not opinion of any sort.
    You have made the right choice HS.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Old Geezer - The only dysfunctional government is LNP Coalition that controls Turnbull like a puppet on a string.

    If the economy tanks then how are they going to pay the welfare bill?
    - Depends to what low level it tanks to.
    - Depends which political party is in government.
    - Depends on whether the banks will chip in to save the economy like the Labor government saved them in 2008 - 2009 GFC from utter ruin.


    -
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Jun 2016
    3:01pm
    particolour - The Greens want another 50,000 per year of them !
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    I'm Quiet aware of that !! And where the Hell does Daffodil Sarah think she is going to Stuff that Lot !! ?? She may as well send them all straight to Holsworthy for a Top Up last Briefing on Invasion Tactics !! :-(
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    3:13pm
    Merkel is Wetting her Tweeds now that Britain has left :-( :-( She thought she was going to unload them on England ! Hence BREXIT !! :-) :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:14pm
    If the Greens did not have that toxic policy of flooding the nation with poor people they'd have my vote. As it currently stands they do not.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    It looks like the Britons have chosen to listen to John Howard and Tony Abbott.
    "We will choose who comes into the country!"
    The Greens, Unions, ALP want the people smugglers to handle immigration.
    60% of labor voters don't want turn backs.
    58% of labor ministers don't want turn backs.
    We know this will end in more tears and hand wringing. Not to mention a blow out in the welfare budget.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:51am
    Every country has the right to protect its borders. Labor has learned its lesson and is committed to tow the line..........not that the right wing stooges on this website will ever agree to that.
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2016
    9:59am
    MICK it is obvious that you will always support Labor. It is also obvious that the majority of Labor MPs have not learned from past mistakes.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:10pm
    I never support Labor but I do support some of their policies.
    The reason why? SImple. It's because I am a real Australian and am of the opinion that the rich DO NOT OWN IT ALL. That is where your philosophy and mine part company!
    Scrivener
    27th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    The comment, 'Hopes were elevated when Mr Turnbull became Prime Minister in September 2015, mainly because of his promise on the night he replaced Tony Abbott, declaring
    “We need to have in this country, and we will have now, an economic vision, a leadership that explains the great challenges and opportunities that we face.' leave Turnbull bereft of credibility because all he has done is provide no plan other than the word, "plan" and no vision other than the slogan, "jobs and growth", which doesn't even have a verb.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    1:15pm
    Malcolm "NBN" (No Better Now) Turnbull HAS NO PLAN other than to look after himself!
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    1:17pm
    I love Malcolm's NBN. It is so much better than my old ADSL. Love watching movies etc on my new smart TV without any buffeting.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:39pm
    Something's ROTTEN in Denmark ?? Not a sign for years of the NBN here ? Enjoy your Buffet Free Liberal adds !! "Faketradie" :-) :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    1:44pm
    Of course not, parti. Mal dropped the ball and left it to stagnate. He will continue to do the same great job as PM and that is why he should be voted OUT.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    Yes Scrivenor. All we got under Turnbull is more 3 word slogans. We still have the Abbott team with another person at the helm who is in the same mould, only more articulate.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    Yeah parti. The Geezer comment is a Turnbull comment. Where do I find the troll filter?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:35pm
    Well Mick someone has to put the other sides argument as your comments cannot be anything but Labor ones.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:53pm
    I never push Labor. You know that. But I would put Labor before the deceitful and malicious LNP any day of the week.
    Put the other side by all means. My objection is never this and only ever when you and others utter propaganda which are lies or troll with party line comments........your mode of operation.
    Have a debate based on facts and honesty and I'll happily discuss the pluses and minuses. Run your routing BS and I'll call you out for what you are.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    1:41pm
    I can smell a Cockroach under the Fridge a Mile Away !! :-) :-) :-)
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:54pm
    Which one?
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    4:46pm
    Yes !! :-) Where there's one there's more !! :-)
    sticko
    27th Jun 2016
    2:08pm
    http://www.onenation.com.au/ PUT LIBS, LABOR, GREENS LAST
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:25pm
    I like the headline.
    LiveItUp
    28th Jun 2016
    7:35am
    No matter who you votr for Labor or the Coalition will be in power come July 2.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    3:58pm
    Not according to the truth which spilt out last night on Q&A. Your big business media outlets were powerless to control that and voters got a chance to see the truth rather than the lies which big media outlets run as they groom their man.
    tasherlock
    27th Jun 2016
    2:09pm
    Why do we have to vote for someone we do not want? I will vote 1 for my choice but do not wish to vote for someone else, because of this ridiculous preferential system. Have no wish to see my vote helping a second choice beat my first choice. Where else is this crazy system followed.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    2:17pm
    Nowhere on Earth I think ???
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:27pm
    No problem in the senate ballot. You'll get your wish.
    Lower house still as it always was and I understand your pain. The default is Labor or Greens of course but if Nick Xenophon is in your state I'd be thinking he would be a good bet. Good luck.
    jeffr
    27th Jun 2016
    2:22pm
    Brexit shows the politicians in Europe what the majority of the British think of them and now it's our turn to show our present government what we think of them. Looks like you Geezer and Bonny et al will have to get used to it starting this coming Sunday.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:30pm
    They may actually be out of a job post election. We'll see how good a snow job the media does methinks. The fact that anyone could even consider voting coalition after Abbott/Turnbull and the other malicious frontbench coalition defies logic. I can but think that people are easily led. How else does one sell ice to eskimos? Maybe because of global warming................
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:37pm
    So Mick it either you or me out of a job. Well I've been promoted already so the outcome is of no consequence to me. What about you?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:55pm
    I am not getting paid. Just wasting my life on the ideal of a better country for my kids and theirs. You on the other hand Geezer ARE ON THE PAYROLL.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:03pm
    No Mick I'm not on the welfare payroll like you.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:12pm
    You are on the Liberal Party payroll. I blog the truth for free. That about gives the difference between us.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    7:59am
    MICK, be honest. You're employed by GetUp to get Shorten elected.

    27th Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    Nice photos above of Beavis and Butthead.
    Rosret
    27th Jun 2016
    2:36pm
    I agree with everything addressed in your article.However I have other concerns as well. I am also concerned about the true plan for the A1 Princes Highway on the NSW coastline. I am not negating the need for the upgrade however have the development plans of the coastal region taken into account what detrimental effect it will have on the prime farming land and the water catchment. To add to this what effect will over development of the coastal region will have on inland NSW. What about addressing the sale of Australian industry and land to foreign parties? What about providing affordable housing for single people and lower income families? What about developing satellite cities away from the capital cities? There are so many concerns that people have at the moment and they are just not even given a second thought in this election campaign. I realise these are future and not immediate concerns but at my age I would like to think my grandchildren will enjoy this magnificent country as well.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:44pm
    I agree the better roads they put in the more people will use them. One has to only look at all the development now happening along the Pacific Hway south of the Qld border. Satellite towns are growing everywhere but they are certainly not cheap to buy or live in.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    2:42pm
    I realise there have been half truths in the spin especially when we get into the last 2 weeks of negative campaigning. When I cut through the spin, I find nothing in it for me personally.
    My life will go on unaffected after July 2 regardless.
    I have weighed up the policies of the major parties and a few of the minors and Independents.
    It's been a difficult decision but in the end I have come to a conclusion which I think best suits Australia.
    I have watched the leaders debates and noticed that there were only 2 party leaders debating, therefor it stands to reason that either Bill or Malcolm will form some sort of coalition government. In 2010 I was not impressed by the last minute deal to form a rag tag coalition of Labor, Unions, Greens, Independents, many of whom have conflicting policy views.
    Some posters have the view that the PM's job should be made as difficult as possible, by voting for a recalcitrant Independent with no vision, who will work against the government. I cant go along with that, regardless of who the PM is.
    I think what has influenced my decision the most is that I do not want Bill Shorten ....
    Bill will give us chaos.
    Bill will revive the people smuggling trade.
    Bill will make it difficult for business to thrive.
    Bill will push up living costs. Particularly electricity costs.
    Anyone but Bill!
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:57pm
    A message from your sponsor and chief employer.
    A vote for an Independent is a vote for real government, not a dictatorship led by Malcolm Turnbull.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:58pm
    I am also concerned about the amount of money in Bill's spending promises and that blatant lie about Medicare.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    3:07pm
    Old Geezer, Bill's lie about Medicare is important on one level and that is we can expect more BS from him if elected. But it does show the signs of a desperate man. That is his way of polishing the brass on the titanic. Trying to get a couple of seats into the lifeboat.
    My guess is the unions will do a job on him after the election. We'll see him on Sky promoting the LNP.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:15pm
    Yes agree Frank. Bill is sounding very desperate while Malcolm seems to be rather cool and more composed these days. We haven't heard much from Paul Howes lately but he for one will have the knives out for Bill after he loses this election.

    Quite frankly I wouldn't want to be the one steering the good ship Stalia in these troubled times.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:11pm
    Good try trolls. My turn:

    TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH ARE UNFUNDED. DON'T TRUST THIS GOVERNMENT ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS. MOST OF THE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH ARE BEING SENT TO OFFSHORE INVESTORS AND THIS WILL HURT AUSTRALIA WHICH COULD USE THIS MONEY TO BUILD ANOTHER NBN RATHER THAN GIVE IT AWAY.

    Sadly trolls..........you and your government work for the interests of the rich and are happy to sell out the nation for your pitiful personal gain. Crumbs for you. Betrayal for the country. Despicable people.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    4:34pm
    MICK, since when did you start worrying about Australia?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    I always have. I do. And I will continue to do so.
    Were it not so then I would not be wasting time trying to help people to understand the game rather than the propaganda. Voters are coming around and that is wonderful for the country.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    8:09pm
    Mick if you get rid of the rich then who is going to employ people to pay taxes so that you get your welfare?

    Unfortunately you need the rich as much as anyone else.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:49am
    Your premise is the normal LNP response that we need the rich and that the rich provide jobs. The reality is that demand for goods and services are the drivers for jobs and that the rich do not provide jobs because they give a damn. It's all about making money. Without consumers the rich would be as poor as those they seek to plunder.
    mangomick
    28th Jun 2016
    7:41pm
    I was a big fan of Malcolm Turnbulls but really?? Since taking over the Prime Ministers job the LNP policies have turned around more than an old 78.
    You need more than jobs and growth. You need compassion and on that score the LNP have failed dismally. Where are the rest of the LNP Ministers. We are deafened by their silence. Brandis,Truss,Cormann,Dutton , Hunt and Sinodinos???
    All kept in the dark because quite frankly most are on the nose.
    I don't want to see this mob making poor policy and then rubber stamping it through the Senate. i'll take my chance with a reasonable independent or Green reviewing what ever policy an elected government presents and only passing it through the Senate if deemed reasonable.The way the LNP has tried to bully them out of the electoral rolls should tell the LNP that any Legislation presented better be fair and reasonable if it is to be passed.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    8:44pm
    I communicated with Turnbull a few times mango. He was somewhat shifty...but now I would not give the man the time of day as he has become yet another deceitful liar who would find it hard to lie straight in bed. I feel sorry for the man as anyone who sells their soul is truly to be pitied.

    'Jobs and growth' is another 3 word slogan. Nothing more. Bullshit! Voters should tune out....as many are. I'd be surprised if anything comes of it were this bunch of misfits to be returned. Just like their IT jobs of the future.
    emjay
    27th Jun 2016
    2:43pm
    Never could understand how the Senate could be a house of review when so many senators are also ministers in the government that makes the policy?
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    2:50pm
    Good point emjay!
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:58pm
    That is a good point emjay.
    Snowflake
    27th Jun 2016
    2:52pm
    Not one bit of empathy amongst the lot of them.
    99% of politicians are self serving and have no more interest than to advance their own circumstances. Australian politicians should be ashamed at their childish antics in trying to win an election. Shame on you all.
    Briar
    27th Jun 2016
    2:53pm
    I have already submitted a postal vote and Lib, Lab and Greens did not figure anywhere in my choice in the Senate. Voting in the Lower House with the stupid preferential system of course will mean that one of the three will get in because you can't avoid them unless you do a donkey vote. I think all major parties will get a very big surprise at the number of votes they don't get in the Senate, and perhaps it will make them sit up and notice.... especially following on the Brexit referendum. Ordinary every day people are getting so cheesed off with the way the politicians lie and do exactly what they want instead of listening to the electorate who put them where they are. Trump's success is indicative of this, as is the Brexit result. There are some good alternatives out there and we just need to vote them in so they can "keep the bastards honest", as someone once said.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Done well.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:00pm
    I see another DD coming on before end of the year.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    3:01pm
    Briar, with respect mate, I don't think voting with your heart is a good choice. You are assuming a lot. For starters who are the "honest bastards" you want to keep on track?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    3:16pm
    Not happening Geezer unless whoever wins refuses to negotiate. We all know that the coalition DO NOT NEGOTIATE but rather dictate. Rule by decree, 3 word slogans and do as I say rather than as I do!
    Briar
    27th Jun 2016
    3:17pm
    With respect Frank, mate, I voted with my engaged brain. No need to be so condescending. And if you want to quote me, please get it right.... I said "keep the bastards honest"..... "bastards" of course being all pollies.... keep up Frank mate.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    4:02pm
    Briar, keeping them honest assumes that they are now honest. So you would throw a Ricky Muir in there just to make sure they don't become dishonest?
    My mother used to say don't put the knives in with the dishwater because you could cut yourself. That was when I was 6 years old and washing the dishes.
    MITZY
    27th Jun 2016
    4:38pm
    I agree with you Briar and will be following a similar line of voting. I am truly sick and tired of the "sound" of Turnbull and Shorten's voices, as soon as I hear either speak, I am completely turned off.
    A lot of posters here have a view that voting for an Independent will cause chaos and mayhem. Well, during Gillard's reign (not Rudd's)there was more bills and legislation passed without too much kerfuffle. She was just totally bullied by Abbott during the time she was PM because a woman beat him with her negotiating skills to form a government with Independents and the Greens. Me thinks the kerfuffle during that period came from the Press, especially the press aligned with the Coalition. It wouldn't worry me one little bit if we had a hung parliament or a parliament with plenty of Independents in the Senate. At present both major parties are full of "acid comments" and a few Independents may just "sweeten" them up. Independents in the Senate may lead us back to some civilised commentary in Parliament. Oh how nice that would be!
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    6:03pm
    Mitzy you are right. There was that many pieces of legislation introduced by Gillard Labor it took the LNP more than 12 months to dismantle it.
    mangomick
    27th Jun 2016
    8:30pm
    Great dismantling job Frank. The Coalition went to the last election promising a "unity ticket" with Labor on education funding, after taking power it spectacularly broke this promise.
    In 2014, the then education minister Christopher Pyne said he was "scrapping the Gonski plan" .
    Now it's election time and surprise ,surprise, the Coalition "promise " to fund the first four years of Gonski and has committed another $1.2 billion from 2018 to 2020.
    Seems all that work ,dismantling Gillards legislation that she was able to get through a hung Senate was a waste of time and money.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    9:15pm
    Can't believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of any coalition members. Pyne is a particularly sleazy type from where I stand and lying is the way this side of politics operates.
    I fail to understand that voters are so basic as to not see this crew for the low life they are.
    MITZY
    28th Jun 2016
    1:53pm
    Frank: As usual you find something to "nit pick" each time I comment. That's why I comment less these days.
    However, Frank, I must say the construction of your reply to me is not up to your standard! QUOTE: MANY pieces of legislation introduced by Gillard Labor .... took the LNP more than 12 months to dismantle "IT" UNQUOTE. Why would the LNP dismantle "many" or "it" if most of "it" was passed in the Senate?
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2016
    1:57pm
    True to form you and your fellow Laborites. When you don't like the message and you have no answer then attack the messenger. Pitiful from you and MICK, really. lol
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    3:57pm
    And that is the point MITZY. The current rich man;s government had to "dismantle" everything and that tells a story all on its own. Amongst that lot was banking legislation put there to protect customers from a feral banking system. And now the same bastards refuse to have a Banking Royal Commission to protect the election funding big banks from the truth getting out and the public demanding blood.
    Frank is such a troll. You only ever hear about unions, Shorten and Labor. What do the facts ever matter with him. And now hard done by?
    Snowflake
    27th Jun 2016
    2:55pm
    As for the NBN. Fibre optic joined to copper cable? Even a moron can see the problem there. However, some politicians couldn't or wouldn't see the problem so what is one step down from a moron? Anyone know?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Why can't it all be wireless instead as that is where the technology is now going?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    3:00pm
    Not Geezer who believes his NBN experience is wonderful. Oops....
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    3:02pm
    And for the mentally challenged Geezer the best speeds available from wireless is 25 MBps. Not the same as 100 MBps is it. And then there is the congestion issue of the future that fibre optic cable will handle and satellites cannot.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    Mick I don't know where you read that from but it's is wrong. My wireless NBN regularly hits 50 Mbps (I have measurement equipment installed) but some retailers have it tapered back to 25 Mbps or even 10 Mbps so they can make more money other of people if they want it to run faster. Quite frankly it's hard to tell the difference between 10 Mbps and 50 Mbps for a normal home user as 10 Mbps is quite adequate. My retailer has promised me at least 10 Mbps but most times it runs at over 40 Mbps.

    I can't really understand why any household would need 100Mbps because when everyone here uses every device imaginable they still can't kill it.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    3:38pm
    Wireless hits 50 MBps? What you mean is your wireless network to your modem which then goes via the NBN cable. This is NOT WIRELESS INTERNET. The best speeds of fully wireless is about 18 MBps on the current 3G network with 5G (not operational yet) claimed to reach 50 MBps max. Some time in the future.
    You'd think Malcolm could give you some correct figures....but then this is the butcher of the NBN so your information is more of the same.

    Why do we need superfast internet? Something you and the coalition would not understand: the future. We will be downloading increasingly larger files and the traffic will be increasingly heavier on the network. Again the sort of facts a political party focussed on only tax cuts for for the wealthy would not even consider. And this lot wants another stint at government?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    3:59pm
    MIck I am talking about the wireless NBN network not the wireless mobile network. I have both and they are two very different things. My internet runs on the wireless NBN network while my mobile phone runs on the 4G network. 4G networks runs at about 10 Mbps while the NBN runs most times over 40 Mbps.

    Having tried both I can't see why anyone would need anything faster than 10 Mbps. My desktop will run quite well tethered up the 4G network and it is also possible to watch movies using mirror technology on my smart TV without buffering.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:07pm
    The answer to your question is for me to ask you a question: what was your download speed 10 years ago and what size files were you downloading?
    This is why Turnbull has shown himself to be an oaf. His view of fast internet extended to videos when the reality is that we will ALL be downloading larger and larger files.
    I for one do not want to go back to dialup and most Australians are with me on that one.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    4:24pm
    Who said anything about going back to dial up? Everywhere I seem to go now has Wifi so dial up is no longer required. How long since you used a fax? I can't remember the last computer is set up to receive them.

    I used to upload files over night using ADSL but now it only takes a matter of minutes on the NBN. That's how bigger difference it has made. It is not the size of the files that takes the time now it's the number of files. If you zip them up then it takes only a fraction of the time it would take if you uploaded them individually.

    Personally I'd say Labor was over ambitious and over estimated what people needed even in the future. It will not be long before wireless technology is superior and a lot faster compared to fibre technology. It is already happening in some parts of the world. Turnbull knows this and can't see why people need fibre when it will be outdated before most of them get it.

    Mick do you need a car that goes at 400 klm/hour knowing that the most you would drive it was say 120 or 150 if you dare? Same thing with the NBN.

    I often laugh at people who have such big data plans on their mobiles just because it is "cool" and not because they need it. I currently have about 4 times the internet usage I really need but that's because they oversell to make more money. I wish they had a small plan for a smaller price instead.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    4:37pm
    I've had that out with Telstra a Dozen times !! Geezer. It'll take a Pensioner Class Action to achieve it I think !! :-(
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    Sorry Geezer but I find it difficult to deal with the mentally challenged. You need to learn to read and understand the English language a bit better.
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:49pm
    Ha ha Mick I think you need to get out in the real world a bit more and learn how this stuff all works.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    8:48pm
    And you need to meet people who have ethics and decency.

    27th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    Oh dear, the bias of Fallick shines through. The person she calls a "fake tradie" is in fact a qualified tradesman who runs his own business, not an actor.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    3:41pm
    Really? Many think otherwise. Bias is what you routinely trot out as fact mate.
    To use your own method of operation: GIVE PROOF.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    4:42pm
    Get real it was only ever a fun thing that Faketradie thingo !! Nobody cared less what he was !! :-) It was just a laugh. And S**T Acting to go along with it !! :-)
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    6:30pm
    our life choises labor representative and union organizer mick accusing a contributor to these columns of being BIASED, obliviously a case of hitting too many trees on his or hers ski runs.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    8:24pm
    Give it up, heemie... you're making no ground here... and wasting a lot of good writing space...
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    8:28pm
    I'm a past Union delegate - I abandoned them at the same time as they abandoned the ordinary working man/woman and threw in their lot under a misplaced allegiance to Sidewalk Cafe Labor...

    I've long said that the problem is not the addiction of Labor to the Unions - but the addiction of the Unions to Labor as it is now constructed.... which construction in no way equates to equality and fair play for all, but has become the avenue for a loopy ideology of discrimination and disadvantagement for many in our community. This is what happens with Far Left control, same as with Far Right control over a society.

    As for voting - I've always voted according to what I believe will be the best outcome for this country.... not just a few selected groups within it - the SIGs - or Special Interest Groups...

    SIG Heil, perhaps?
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    8:45pm
    Here you are MICK, and this from your average Labor supporting press. I'm not standing on one leg waiting for an apology because your forte is abuse and belittling people. I'm getting a mental picture of a bullying union official, short in stature, brave in a group, very quiet on his own and scared of his wife.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-fake-tradie-andrew-macrae-says-hes-the-real-deal-20160621-gpo7tz.html
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    9:00pm
    Looks like the coalition has dragged out the dregs again: the Frank team slithering its way into government. God help the country if that happens.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    12:45pm
    Yes - he was a sheet metal worker and a line supervisor before going into odd-jobs for real estate agents....

    My idea of a tradie is a plumber, electrician etc... not a roustabout....

    He may have a trade certificate, but he is not a 'tradie' as we understand them to be.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:02pm
    Yeah....a tradie with a designer watch. Well maybe there are one or two. The add however was totally unrepresentative of 90%+ of tradies. Even the tradies themselves would have realised that.
    Rodent
    27th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    He Mick , and others re NBN (fancy me commenting on this)
    Yesterday at a friends place - Melbourne Metro he was showing 94MBPS download speed using an Optus 4G plus e3276 v2 Wireless USB stick ( Huawei brand) Its a CAT 4 product with speeds up to 150MBPS possible.
    In the same location, at the same time another Optus 4G Wireless Modem produced speeds of not more than 50MBPS- very strange?
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    Really? Just wondering if the signal is passing through an exchange?
    I might add that you can purchase different plans depending on what you want to spend. This gives you access to different speeds as well. Of course the fastest speed is the biggest price.
    How does the above compare to your information Rodent?
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:45pm
    Rodent I sometimes activate a prepaid SIM card with data only for a tablet or wireless USB stick and then use it in a smart phone. You get heaps of data but you can't make calls unless you use Skype or similar. You can however receive calls.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    12:46pm
    I sometimes buy a complete dongle with gigs attached - at the moment Big W is selling them for $10 - a recharge costs you $25+ so you're better off buying another one!!
    Crashbang
    27th Jun 2016
    5:06pm
    the 3 major parties. If their lips are moving they are lying. they have become arrogant self opinionated mongrels. They believe of Govt is what they want, not what the people of Australia want.They have disregarded the needs of the Australian Elderly, Vets etc
    Rodent
    27th Jun 2016
    5:11pm
    Mick, and others, Its all very strange, Its the first tome I have ever seen a wireless USB product run at that speed on the OPTUS 4G Network. Both products are Prepaid, not on any form of plan. For you interest only Coles are selling a similar Product- Optus Prepaid Wifi Huawei e5573 Cat 4 product , capable of up to 150MBPS, on SPECIAL at the moment for the HALF PRICE of $24.50 , includes I think, 4GB of data - The COLES special ends tomorrow!!
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:33pm
    I used to use those Wifi devices to run my laptop. Some of them have some good speeds. However I found that my laptop was a pain to carry around so now I use a tablet tethered to a mobile phone or just pick up free Wifi such as Telstra Air. I have also set up my mobile phone to find free Wifi and hook up instead of using it's own data.

    On my last trip to NZ the hire car company had some sort of internet device fitted to the car. At $10 a day plus expensive data I didn't take up their offer. I just picked up a local Sim card and used it instead. I found that if I pulled up near one of their pink public telephones I could just hook into their free Wifi and it was quite adequate for what I wanted to do.

    27th Jun 2016
    6:27pm
    My many times repeated position on my vote needs no recounting here.....
    MarLin
    27th Jun 2016
    6:43pm
    I'm fed up with lying, cheating, self-serving politicians of every ilk. We need a major change, shake-up, call it what you will. I've already voted and, for the first time in my life, have voted independent, independent, independent - anyone except LNP, ALP or Greens on both papers. If it helps to create a logjam or, better still, chaos in Australian politics, so what? - anything's better than having to sit here for yet more years watching the lying, cheating sods and their hangers on invent yet more ways of disguising how they're using our money to help themselves!
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    8:25pm
    Beautiful to read !! :-) Send a Copy to Turnbull and Shorten and whatever that Green thing is !! :-)
    Topcat
    27th Jun 2016
    8:51pm
    Well said. I've had enough also and although I wont vote Greens I certainly will not be voting for either of the major parties.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    9:03pm
    You have my respect linhmartin. The state of the world calls for a solution and I might suggest your vote is the way forward. We'll know by Monday.

    27th Jun 2016
    7:16pm
    I beleive, though I've moved etc, tha I am still registered in Eden-Monaro - and even though I like Mike Kelly personally and consider him a person who gets things done - I cannot in all principle vote for Labor under their current ideological stance and their refusal to confront the very real issues for ordinary people while they are over-preoccupied with promoting women first and foremost regardless of all other issues that affect all of the population outside of Labor women.

    when 'affirmative action' becomes a universal right - we will see reality for a change .
    Old Geezer
    27th Jun 2016
    7:39pm
    Trebor did you change the address on your drivers licence? RMS has also been changing your voting address as well. So check with the AEC to see where you are enrolled to vote.
    Adrianus
    27th Jun 2016
    7:51pm
    Since Bob Hawke changed the AEC rules which have your details at several voting booths many people have been voting several times. The old joke about Laborites voting early and often is not a joke.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    8:31pm
    Yes, the Rat Murders Society has my changed of address as well... but I can't chase up my listing with the AEC... public servants... oh, well.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    9:04pm
    Now we are going back to Bob Hawke? A sign of desperation and being brain dead I might think. Does the last 3 years count for nothing.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    9:41pm
    Puhlease MICK, be consistent. Not too long ago you were quoting Hawke when he was lying to everyone that Medicare would be privatised.
    jeffr
    27th Jun 2016
    10:01pm
    Well Medibank was privatised, methinks that was just the start. Anything Medical makes money for the investors and going on past performance of Captain Abbot and now PRIVATE Turnbull why should we think anything different??????
    LiveItUp
    28th Jun 2016
    7:19am
    Medicare costs money and doesn't make a razoo. So why would any business take on a venture that doesn't make money?

    Common sense needed here people.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:47am
    MEDICARE IS NOT A BUSINESS. That is where the coalition has zero understanding about average people. It is a core NEED and not for sale.
    Old Geezer
    28th Jun 2016
    12:23pm
    Labor just doesn't get it that people realise that it is not a business. Labor is making fools of themselves with this lie about it being privatised.

    Nobody would buy it if it was for sale because how could they make a profit out of something that has no income.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    12:49pm
    They'd lobby to have fees and charges set in place, and for reduction in rebate, so as to make ends meet...

    How do you think electricity charges went through the roof? All the additional fees and charges just for having the service. Utter nonsense, since all that does is feed the board members etc and the major shareholders..... who we didn't have to feed before 'privatisation'.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    2:00pm
    Of course Medicare is for sale Geezer. If not outright then by nibbling away at the edges. Once Australians are paying co-payment, for medicines, for pathology and other Medicare bread and butter service then IT IS SOLD.
    So let's not carry on about the "medicare is not for sale" BS that Turnbull is spruiking. This is the same as the Paid Parental Leave lies from the previous puppet and once the election is done the LNP will be working on ways to scuttle it. That much is certain.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:03am
    It is not unknown for a company to buy out a competitor just to close it down. Socould not happen. don't assume that a sale
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    8:30pm
    I sat bolt upright when I saw that Lowest of Low things about Tony Windsor That was Slimy and !! How low can a Party go !! RE.. Unfaithful...:-( :-( :-(
    I don't vote for any of them, But if it was Me I would SUE the Britches off them !
    jeffr
    27th Jun 2016
    9:55pm
    Agree with you 110%.....particolor. Sincerely hope that Barnacle Barnaby get's his just deserts along with any Liberal National that think this was a bright idea.
    Topcat
    27th Jun 2016
    8:48pm
    Have been giving this some thought and when I say some I really mean a huge amount. Having been a Labour supporter for a long while I am not at all confident with Bill Shorten. It seems to me that all the major parties want to do is bash each other over the head and we are supposed to have faith - not for me. I will be voting for a minor parties.
    MICK
    27th Jun 2016
    9:05pm
    Me too.
    FM
    28th Jun 2016
    1:01am
    You may have noticed that in their latest ad the coalition say they are funding aged care. Seems they have forgotten they have taken $1.2 out of it along with the major cuts to part pensions and medical services. Perhaps they need the Alzheimer's test?
    Is Old Geezer taking up where Bonny left off?
    LiveItUp
    28th Jun 2016
    7:24am
    Heard that the Brits lost their AAA rating and also something about another $16 billion black holes in Labor's costings.

    Just been reading Old Geezers posts and he sounds like he is a real thinker and knows what he is tslking about. Need a few more like him on here to balance the one sided debates.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:45am
    I hear there is a $50 billion black hole in the government's promises. TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH are for the most part UNFUNDED.
    ex PS
    3rd Jul 2016
    12:04am
    Yes Bonny you and Old Geezer think so much alike it's almost like you are the same person.
    ex PS
    3rd Jul 2016
    12:04am
    Yes Bonny you and Old Geezer think so much alike it's almost like you are the same person.
    LiveItUp
    28th Jun 2016
    7:14am
    Today I am shocked about health care and Medicare. Why?

    People already die just waiting for surgery in our public hospital system. Under a Labor government this is about to get much worse.

    People take out hospital only private health care so that they have access to the private hospital system and this takes the strain off our public system.

    So tell me why Labor wants to take the rebate off these people and force many more of them onto the public hospital queues?

    Maybe that is what Labor is hiding behind it's privatising Medicare lie?
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2016
    7:57am
    Bonny, Labor are not capable of making sound decisions regarding the economy. We saw first hand how for 6 long years the coalition of the Unions, Greens, Independents were focussed only on themselves at the expense of us.
    People I talk to say they are inept idiots. And yet others say they have a grand plan to destroy us based on the premise that nobody could be that stupid. I don't know what to believe? But I do know that Labor is simply chaotic.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    9:45am
    The normal trolls at it a few days before the election. Frank and his other avatar Bonny.
    I found it interesting watching Q&A last night. The LNP brain dead spokesperson Corman had no answer to the INFORMATION given to the audience by Tanya Plibersek about Medicare and Corman. Without the biased media behind him grooming the facts Corman was little more than a bumbling fool repeating slogans.
    Medicare is under attack from the coalition which is trying to destroy it. That is certain.
    Old Geezer
    28th Jun 2016
    10:59am
    Mick you need to take your blinkers off as I too agree with Frank and Bonny. We can't have those Labor idiots in power.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    1:56pm
    Of course you would agree with Frank and Bonny. One might think you are a member of the pack.
    FM
    28th Jun 2016
    10:12am
    I agree Mick. The argument that people should vote for the status quo to have stability is arguing that we should have stability in further cuts to the incomes of those who can least afford it, such as the old, the sick and those trying to start their working life, while we should have tax cuts for the rich and big business and politicians should continue to be the best paid in the world. They need to be sent a message to rethink their policies. It may take another election for them to accept that they are acting for the public at large not just themselves and their mates.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    1:55pm
    The reality is that Labor is not a bad economic manager. I read a study 2 weeks ago where that myth was put to rest. But then the LNP are masters of deceit and the media are grooming Turnbull's Party, so no surprise the media did not put that assumption to rest.
    FM
    28th Jun 2016
    10:13am
    We will have stability in cutting the incomes of the old and sick to pay for tax cuts for big business.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    1:53pm
    That is the reality. Not the adds you see on TV which are lies.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    8:39pm
    Spot on, FM.
    jamesmn
    28th Jun 2016
    12:49pm
    turnball has got foot and mouth disease the cfa is a state matter not FEDERAL Daniel will do the same as what he told him over the freeway link road when he tore up the papers but then the liberals did a shifty signing them in the first place when there was still court cases pending i would have thought the cfa had a few more brains than to threaten to do what they are going to do its got nothing to do with turnball or shorten its a state matter most of the cfa and volunteers don't know what is in the eba anyhow the same as the owner drivers did not know what was in the agreement.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    1:52pm
    This is just the next smear. The Liberal Party is a master at lies, deceit, smear and mud slinging. They should be banned from engaging in politics.
    Bes
    28th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    This election may well be a chaotic one as people finally come to their senses and realize that WE vote and THEY are supposed to work for US.
    THEY have long forgotten that, that means to work to the Very Best of Their Ability in OUR best interests and always without question put Australia first!
    But history shows us that out of every chaos rises a TRUE LEADER.
    Let us then cause CHAOS and await our LEADER.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    1:51pm
    This is why the public needs to punish lies, deceit and betrayal with the most severe method at its disposal. Mass electoral defeat. That way we show them who is boss. As it stands both sides are used to manipulating and milking voters....who seem to have very short memories once the propaganda on TV and radio begins.
    Newman
    28th Jun 2016
    1:57pm
    Stopped listening as soon as the campaign started and won't tune in again till election night. Campaigns have never influenced me: I make up my mind during a governments term - on their and their oppositions performance. The campaign is just froth and bubble.
    I will be voting for minor parties in the Senate. Whoever gets in the lower house needs a genuine house of review to scrutinise their legislation properly. The Senate has done a good job of putting the brake on some nasty policies and we need it to keep doing it.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    3:52pm
    You got that one right. Maybe you have a pint.
    Hairy
    28th Jun 2016
    3:06pm
    The 3 musketeers of politics have had ample time to listen to the voters wishes.i for one have had enough of their down right lies.just for instance Malcolm I will protect our borders what the hell for and who from.hes importing them through the front door quietly and sending them to a suburb near you.there are criminal offences being committed in the immigration departments right now.false visas can be bought in the street from Moslem criminals that Malcolm brought in through the front door.theres no way he can honestly say he had not allowed pedophilles rapists sexual deviates nd terrorists to enter our country and because he gets paid to take them from UN he doesn't bloody care because he doesn't live in suburbs with you and I.greens want bring in another 50000.unemployment is at a crisis no money for pensions doesn't sound like an economic plan to me.as for billy muzbutt Medicare is not going to be sold but malc is going to outsource it so you have to deal with foreigners in complaints like you do with telco company's.labour wants to still import terrorists too.it must be stopped before we get to UK stage. No Moslems no shariah no halal no more trouble in our streets from these ingrates
    Adrianus
    28th Jun 2016
    3:17pm
    Hairy that news is about 6 years old. 150,000 illegals entered through the front door during the 6 years of Labor. That's in addition to the 50,000 which came by boat. Let's deal with the facts shall we?
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    3:50pm
    They did do that and that cost them government. Not likely that ANY government is going there again is it.
    While we are at it why has the current government allowed the Immigration Department to be involved in organised crime? Not as though they would have had no idea that the visa system was being rorted by criminals within the department.
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    3:51pm
    Please explain!
    jamesmn
    28th Jun 2016
    3:54pm
    its no good voting for a independent in the main party only in the senate will it do any good like its already done stopping all of turnball and abbots unfair policies look at how many the senate has already stopped and turnball is classing all of the liberals policies as being passed when they have not and it blows a big black hole in the liberals figures turnball is corrupt as his mates he wants to look after if the liberals had to win a election on their own right without the national party propping it up it would not stand a chance that's why he does not want a royal commission into the banks because it affects him and his mates.
    FM
    28th Jun 2016
    10:19pm
    Good letter from smh
    Frail aged don’t count
    At the Liberal Party’s campaign launch $50 million was promised to improve the digital literacy and online safety of senior Australians. ‘‘Smartphones for Seniors’’ was the catchy headline.
    As my 93-year-old mum, a senior Australian in high care, can’t even use the call bell in her room, her ‘‘safety’’ online isn’t an issue. Her safety in her nursing home is.
    Frankly, unless that smartphone can take her to the toilet, dress her wounds and feed her a hot meal then thanks but no thanks.
    If the Coalition wants to do something meaningful, how about reversing the $3 billion cuts to aged care and rolling back the changes made in 2014 to the Aged Care Act, which removed the distinction between high and low care and therefore removed the requirement for registered nurses?
    There’s a reason we haven’t seen either party posing for photo ops in aged-care facilities this election. They’d be driven out under a hail of bed pans.
    Pam Newton Wollstonecraft
    MICK
    29th Jun 2016
    9:37am
    The next set of unfunded lies from a government not even John Howard could have any faith in. What a bunch of lying misfits.

    28th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    Agree with most of the article. Most of us switched off, especially after Labor also abandoned any plan to reverse the obscene revised Assets Test for Pensions from Jan 2017. Time for voting for AUSEXIT - for all Liberal, Green and Labor candidates!

    Especially, remember to vote out all sitting members - at least the first-term ones cannot then get their hands on their great pensions as they need to serve 2 terms!
    MICK
    28th Jun 2016
    8:28pm
    Ditto.
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    7:43am
    I thought of voting for an Independent but I don't want Shorten to be PM. A vote for Labor, Greens, Independents is a vote for chaos.
    MICK
    29th Jun 2016
    9:46am
    As if Frank. You are a card carrying Liberal and would only vote for an Independent whose preference went to your boss.
    dante
    29th Jun 2016
    8:39am
    I disagree with the sentiments expressed in the article. In order to obtain something you need to be in the game. Whacking both major party with a stick will achieve absolutely nothing. Why? Because one of them will form a government and we won't have a voice in it.

    The alternative is to pick the party which is more likely to deliver what we would like to have. And yes, be prepared to negotiate our expectations down!!

    When you look at the 3 things we want: Affordable healthcare for all; A more stable and equitable retirement income system; and More consistent and long-term economic planning then Blind Charlie can tell you that only one of the major party can deliver most of it, and any 'protest vote' will simply be a 'wasted vote' as it will NOT change the outcome of the election, it will NOT influence the decision making, and it will marginalize us further.

    Let's protest within the tent instead of pissing outside the tent and achieve nothing!

    Use your brain constructively!!
    Adrianus
    29th Jun 2016
    9:34am
    dante, I agree, the desire for chaos is pushing us further away from our objective. This is a time for cool heads.
    If the present world go astray, the cause is in you, in you it is to be sought.
    MICK
    29th Jun 2016
    9:48am
    Actually no dante. The aim is to end absolute power from megalomaniac Parties. Whilst I have no time for either side it has to be clear that Liberal needs to be last. If not then enjoy what is going to happen to you post election.
    Scrivener
    29th Jun 2016
    9:29pm
    But a massive protest vote of the same order as the Brexit removes a political party's mandate to do what it feels like. It would make them all quake in their boots or high heels.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    7:32am
    And for what purpose? To what ends? I often wonder about the background of people who have developed that sort of destructive attitude? Is country loyalty on the decline?
    Not Senile Yet!
    29th Jun 2016
    5:47pm
    Not only the Independants will increase their votes....everyone Except Labor Liberal & Greens will gain in this election! WHY???
    Because everyone is sick of the CorruPt Party Puppets...so no one wants to Vote for any of Them!
    Not Senile Yet!
    29th Jun 2016
    5:47pm
    Not only the Independants will increase their votes....everyone Except Labor Liberal & Greens will gain in this election! WHY???
    Because everyone is sick of the CorruPt Party Puppets...so no one wants to Vote for any of Them!
    Scrivener
    29th Jun 2016
    9:26pm
    Bill preaches bubble-up economics and Malcolm proselytizes top-down economics. I'm not converted to either. Someone convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. I am really looking forward to voting this Saturday.
    seagirl
    30th Jun 2016
    9:45am
    I have turn off the a long time ago, they never did care about the Pensioners all I want is $50 in my pension to pay my bills.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:09am
    It will all be over tomorrow, lets hope that the retirees will give the so called's a good kick in the pants and that they know where it came from. If not console yourselves with the fact that you got the government that you deserved.
    Adrianus
    2nd Jul 2016
    7:46am
    Spoken like a true labor ex PS. :)
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    6:29pm
    Frank, I voted a week ago, LNP last ALP second last. I was one of the first to say it is more important who you vote against than who you vote for. Your vote will not count as there is a Labor voter out there who will cancel out your vote.
    I prefer my vote to count and make a difference, in other words I am not a mindless sheep who has been voting the same way regardless performance for 40 years.
    I really pity the traditional voters they remind me of the faithful dog who patiently waits for his master outside the front door every morning only to be kicked out of the way, but that faithful old dog is always there to greet his master when he returns and lick his boots.
    KB
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:33pm
    We need a caring compassionate government who will look after people from walks of life.Yes economy is important. The Coalition panders to the rich and big businesses. Even more is the environment so for the Senate I have voted for the parties that care about people and the environment Greens for me,
    Adrianus
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:41pm
    KB as long as you feel good about your choice. That's all that really matters.


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