Shorten’s Budget 2017 reply ramps up the fairness fight

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A fairness fight has broken out post-Budget 2017 with Opposition Leader Bill Shorten declaring the Turnbull Budget “fails miserably to emulate Labor policies”.

Mr Shorten’s speech was pre-empted by the news that the hotly debated $50 billion company tax cut will actually cost $65.4 billion in the 10th year. So it was a confident Opposition Leader who faced the House last night to deliver his party’s verdict on Treasurer Scott Morrison’s plans. He led with the context that the coalition has ‘wasted four years’, with wages growth at record lows, and under-employment and casualisation of the work force at record highs. “It fails the fairness text, is an admission of guilt and a war on young people”, he declared.

So what does Labor support? The levy on the banks has full support, with a caveat that it was up to the Turnbull Government to ensure none of this tax is passed on to consumers. “If the banks pass on a single dollar of this tax to Australian families, then that should be the end of this Treasurer, Prime Minister and this government”, Mr Shorten challenged.

This is problematic to say the least, with Ian Narev, head of the Commonwealth Bank, this morning declaring the levy will be passed on to customers or shareholders as there was no way to absorb it.

Labor will also continue to call for a Royal Commission into the banking sector, another point of difference with the Coalition.

Labor will only support the increased Medicare Levy for the top two tiers of taxpayers (i.e with incomes above $87,000 per annum), and make up the shortfall to fund the NDIS by retaining the deficit levy for higher income earners.

In education, Labor will oppose changes to HECs funding, including higher fees and lower payback thresholds and will invest $22 billion that it claims that the government has stripped out of the Gonski reforms.

Reduction of negative gearing incentives and capital gains tax concessions remain on the table, with an expected $37 billion worth of savings as a result. Mr Shorten was scathing about the Treasurer’s ‘super savings’ plan for young homebuyers, describing it as “microscopic assistance for young people, with the $565 per home not even covering the cost of removalists”

Chasing multinationals who offshore tax which should be paid in Australia was another target, as were the 48 Australian millionaires who paid no tax at all.

In summary, the Opposition Leader once again claimed to ‘own’ the issue of fairness for all, stating:

“Fairness is not some slogan you can borrow.  Fairness is not measured by what you say – but what you do”

What do you think? Does redrawing the lines on who pays a levy on Medicare and retaining the Budget Deficit Levy for higher income earners make a difference in your life?

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Written by Kaye Fallick

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    I was surprised at how well Shorten delivered his response. Normally he is quite sterile but was direct and to the point last night.
    I have been saying that this government is engaged in Class Warfare for quite a time now and it is about time that the public was told lest it believe we have a government for the nation.
    Shorten was too the point. The Morrison budget was and is a budget for millionaires. At the risk of blowing the opposition’s trumpet this is the truth and it should be told lest the lemmings are again fooled by the next slick media campaign to extract their votes.
    We need a proper government. Not this bunch of low life misfits governing for the top end of town with money extorted from the bottom end.

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      Of course you are definitely right Mick….Shorten is our man for EQUALITY….why shouldn’t the top end of town be reduced to the same level…. as the church house poor mice at the bottom end of the village.

      Makes good sense to smash down the EMPLOYMENT PROVIDING top end of town hogs…..We CAN ALL be unemployed and poor together. True SOCIALIST/COMMO EQUALITY…we can then all demonstrate in the streets together….with our reduced Government handouts – pensions.

      Lemmings Mick!?….go and have a good look in a mirror!

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      That is not what I ever said or what I believe in.
      The top deserves a fair go too but not by using its propaganda machine to constantly elect its stooges into government and then have them behave like the current government. The tax cuts for the wealthy at a time the well off are avoiding tax like never before and at an unprecedented rate needs to end.
      Socialist? Is that what you call it when you demand that the top pay the correct rate of tax. Next you’ll be spouting the ‘Trickle Down Effect’….the blatant lie to justify the unjustifiable.
      I am no lemming. I just call for the government casino employed by its rich constituents to fix the game and create a FAIR playing field. It’s pretty easy to understand: you pay the appropriate rate of tax….
      ot what the fraudulent accounting industry can arrange for you! Is that clear grounded? Thanks.

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      It’s MICK and Bill. It’s a bromance.

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      At least not a trollogy Frank. Thought you only showed up at election time mate.

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      @ Mick…..I take your points on board….and can even see the merit of some. The sad fact of Capitalism is that it breeds a relative percentage of greedy SOB’s…as the Socialist alternative throws up a sizeable smattering of hard core Bludgers. That is humanity for you!

      The field is as level as you are ever going to find it….the most level it has been for the past 2000 years….since when even JC himself tried ‘sorting’ out the money changers….and failed!

      I could rattle off ‘umpteen dozens of names of obscenely overpaid Corporate Fat Cats, Company Directors, Politicians, Judges, Bankers, Public Service Heads, Commission and Quango Honchoes, etc., etc.,…dead end dollar soaking Toadies, who should be horse whipped for breathing the good clean air they thieve….That wouldn’t change the playing field one iota Mick.

      Like it or not Mick, humanity is driven by the content of its’ wallet….FAR BEYOND any political manifesto it may subscribe to…check out the residences of where Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard or Turnbull reside….in addition to all being Millionaires or multi-Millionaires Mick. (yep, those ‘stinking’ Millionaires again)

      (Abbott omitted purposely, as he still owes thousands on the Mortgage of his very ordinary suburban home…and is formally recorded as far, far less than a cash value Millionaire.)

      Partially Mick, Trickle Down Economics does apply…only a simpleton would say otherwise….whilst I realise that both Parties; when it suits them, overstate the relevance of Triple Down Economics…

      No Mick…I can’t see ANY difference in Shorten and his Crew…than those currently occupying the Treasury Benches….totally equal lowlifes…not withstanding that Shorten has a sizeable handful of hard core ‘pinkoes’ on his team who would be absolutely overjoyed in turning this country into another socialist Venezuela…as could have easily occurred before the voting majority of Lemmings saw the impending disaster in 2013, and put pay to it.!

      We probably agree in principal on a majority of things Mick….only you; in turn, are glibly suggesting that one would have to be a Lemming to be mindful, and cautious of the return of another big spending, break the Bank Government…or Casino, as was unceremoniously tossed out in 2013. Leopard’s DO NOT change their spots Mick…never have, never will…so who else is there to vote for Mick…in the HOR’s. Regards Mick.

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      WOW! Mick you have made my day. You put it exactly as many people will see and understand this government. Putting what they see as the lower class down and up for those who already have to much and rort the system at every opportunity

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      grounded: you are showing some merit. Let me say that I have NEVER denied the top end their gains. The caveat here is that they do not control the political and financial system and try to take the lot. This is America to a tee and currently fair minded Australia is heading the same way.
      As long as the rich keep they greedy noses out of politics I’ll be content. Owning apolitical party and controlling politicians should be made an offence carrying a jail term as should politicians selling legislative outcomes to people.
      I am sure there are still societies where a balance exists. Not sure if the Murdoch Press owns any assets in these jurisdictions though and I’ll leave it up to others to come up with those answers.
      We’ll have to agree to disagree on letting the top end go grounded. A decent society needs rules of conduct. Without that we are but a pack of animals and the thought of our wonderful country being brought down to that level by the idle rich playing their game of chess with our lives is too hard to bear. It should be for you as well. Our country can do better than that.

      Thanks for the pat on the back moke. If I can get people to come around and understand how the game works and how we are continually being ‘farmed’ then change will come in time.

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      Yep Mick the same as me. I have never downed the people who have amassed their fortunes as long as they have done it fair and square. Not a the way the predominantly rich seemed to try and do it.

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    Shorten is nothing more than a puppet for the militant unions, god help this country if he gets a hold of the reins…

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      And Turnbull is the rubber stamp for millionaires and multinationals and tax avoiders. God help us if he and his government are not thrown out. They will be.

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      TMAC your entitle to your opinion and I for one don’t agree with it??
      Back in my early days if it was not for the unions we never have what we have today good working conditions………….Its time we have a bloody change in government and get rid of this Liberal party ……….AND YES……..give Bill Shorten a go at being PM

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      Bill Shorten will never be PM.

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      Who cares. It’s just that the current bunch of misfits and crooks need to go.

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      For a while I worked for the government and wouldn’t have put a foot through the front door without Union legal backup. As for any pay rise or better condition. Every concession was hard won by campaigns that took up time and money.

      There is a point in every debt fuelled, greed inflated cycle when the money runs out. The punters can’t or won’t borrow any longer and wallets are flat so the merry-go-round stops. I want the LNP to be firmly in control when it happens and made to face the consequences.

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      MICK, we don’t need to get rid of the opposition, we need them to be more loyal to Australia!!

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      Backwards as usual – the Union movement does itself a disservice by adhering to uni sidewalk cafe’ Labor with all it’s ramped up ideas of ‘equality’ etc at the cost of many others..

      All those militant Unions – the nurse, firefighters, police – some of the strongest ones in the nation, BTW, right there – and where are the massive campaigns of ‘militancy’ going on right now?

      Some here and elsewhere need to stop dreaming of a glorious past and get in touch with reality.

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      The truth is Frank we need a coalition government which works for the nat rather than the wealthy amongst us who fund their election campaigns. I would accept that.
      By your very words the last 4 years has seen rats in charge who couldn’t give a damn about the nation as they ran up huge debt which the media never much mentions whilst achieving zip for the country

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      As an avid observer of the political shenanigans, I sometimes fantasize as to what would happen if the Government of the day ( in this case the Coalition), to end the mindless and futile carping of the Opposition, just threw their hands up in the air and said….”stuff it, we are tired of this shitfight, we’re outta here!” and left the whinging, moaning, carping Laborites to their own devices.

      This would leave Mr Shorten and the Trades Hall a clear field to do what they will and be solely answerable to the electorate for the results. Now, wouldn’t that be an interesting scenario?

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      TMac ever heard met or voted for a Politician that is for the people of Australia in general. They are all there for their own benefit and that of their money hungry mates.

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      Paddles: the question you should be asking is why did the mainstream media run a propaganda campaign of the proportions it did against the Gillard government? Then ask WHY was the Carbon Tax repealed and 2 governments worth of legislation repealed by Abbott and his cronies.
      As always the money trail leads to the interests of the rich. Their party is there to own the game at any cost and will not give up this right unless it see a calamity coming. Did you ever ask yourself WHY Rudd was pushed in by Murdoch when he was? To cop the blame for the GFC maybe and the hard decisions made thereafter? Remember the GFC hit literally weeks after Rudd won office. Worth thinking about…………….

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      MICK, you’re funny lol.
      I get a good laugh from your conspiracy theories. Thanks mate, keep it up. Iol

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    Surely Bill Shorten must realise that the “Higher Paid” and Taxable two tiers and the ones that are also in the “deficit levy”, claim back on tax their “Private Health Insurance, therefore paying little or nothing to the Medicare or NDIS, when it is implemented.
    Negative Gearing, should not be scrapped altogether, but restricted to 1 investment house per person and Capital Gains Tax applied to only homes where the owner has not been the occupier 10 years. Especially if the owner is “Downsizing” as allowed by the current Government.
    I think, and this is my own opinion. That the general population is sick and tied of politicians trying to score points off each other, when they could sit down and offer a compromise for the betterment of Australia and work to that end.

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      Sounds like a vested interest FEDUP. You need to put yourself into the shoes of average citizens who have been cannibalised for 4 years now whilst this lot have more than doubled the deficit and seek to hand out money like lollies to those who do not deserve tax relief because they are not exactly paying a lot, if indeed any at all.

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      Anyone earning big dollars without private health insurance has rocks in their head. Why pay extra for nothing when you can pay instead for something extra.

      I had a discussion with a health fund about my son only this week and the first question they asked was did he just want health insurance so that he didn’t have to pay the extra levy? They have these real cheap polices that pay for virtually nothing but are just a cheap option than paying the extra Medicare levy.

      Negative gearing is a mugs game. Why make a loss when you can positively gear and do very nicely? Note there were changes in the budget will make negative gearing less attractive as there will a lot les write offs allowed.

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      Surely you understand negative gearing better than that.
      Negative gearing is often a speculative play. An investor buys a house because he thinks it is going to be worth a lot more in 20 years than now, so he is prepared to make a loss with interest repayments in the short term. It has worked pretty well in the past but tell me if the game is ending. Same deal for shares. In a bull market investors clean up with a significant capital gain.
      If you can puck positively geared property without paying down a good amount on an investment then good luck to you. Not sure such investments exist today. If so please share it around.

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      Mick I have always positively geared everything be it property. shares or something else. I simply can’t see the point of making a loss just to get a tax deduction. I still lose over 50c on the dollar.

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      Old Geezer, it does not matter if there was 28, 48 or 10048 who are able to manipulate the system. The ‘Fairness’ principle is that everybody should pay their fair, moral and ethical share of tax.

      How many do you think should be able to get away with it until enough is enough?

      There used to be a saying that was bandied about that we were all equal before the law but that has long since reached its used by date

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      So you think that lots of taxpayers resources should be tied up in making things fair. Get over it life itself is not fair.

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      If the game is fraudulent it needs to stop! It is fraudulent.

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      Mick if it’s allowed within the law it can’t be fraud. Stop being so jealous of others it doesn’t do you any good.

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      Funny, funny, funny. The crooks make the laws and so it is “legal”. Next you’ll be saying that theft is legal if the crooks are not caught.

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      Idontforget, it’s time you forgot everything you learned about “fairness.” Australia is still a place where people can have a “fair go.” We look after our mates and our mates have our back.
      We can spot a shirker too.

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      No, Frank. It absolutely is NOT. The crooks make the laws to protect the crooks and nobody protects the victims of bureaucratic persecution, nor those the law unfairly discriminates against. You only have to read OG’s vile comments here to understand that ”mates don’t have our back”. They have the knives out, ready and keen to stab in the back at any opportunity.
      As for spotting a shirker – you THINK you can, but you have no idea, and are too lacking in empathy and compassion to investigate. So you just assist the persecution.

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    So we keep fleecing the rich to pay the poor. No wonder they send their money off shore.

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      “Fleecing the rich”? Are you kidding. The rich pay accounts to avoid the real tax system average citizens cannot avoid. Tell me what PERCENTAGE of their incomes high income earners pay in tax. That is the pertinent figure. Please explain!

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      They pay tax according to the same tax table as everyone else.

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      The issue is that the rich constantly bleat about how much tax they pay but when you look at the percentage it is often very very low. That is the con.
      You earn high, you pay tax. Nothing unfair about that.
      Sure high income earners pay tac according to the applicable tax rate but the issue is they pay creative accountants and lawyers to find all sorts of outs. The flavour of the month is Offshore Tax Havens….which means that the applicable rate of tax in Australia is probably NIL. Tell me that is fair and that this does anything for the country other than send it broke.

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      Didn’t Shorten say there was only 48 of these people? That is a drop in the ocean and even if they did pay more tax it would very little difference. As for sending the country broke then we must be on a real knife edge now.

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      But how many are on 2%, 5%, 9%, etc. The issue is that high income earners should be on 48% but few are. It’s the low percentages and the ability to avoid paying the correct rate of tax including the growth rate in avoiders which is of concern. A bit like musical chairs. Only wage and salary earners will be left standing if the problems is not addressed.

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      What about all the GST they pay on their million dollar accounting fees?

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      I am in raptures.
      We ALL pay GST. This I must say is the tax they cannot avoid….although maybe they have figured out a way around that one too.

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      Aren’t those fees tax deductible?

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      It doesn’t matter as the government gets the GST revenue anyway.

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      They send their money offshore anyway, OIG, since it benefits them, for the simple reason that we don’t tax their dollars on the way out and the way in, as we should.

      It should be a bounden rule that if you offshore cash or jobs, you pay an exit tax on it. For those already based offshore, they pay an entry tax as their dollars come in.

      That way the international tax market will start to catch up with ‘tax havens’ and the abuse to which they are put.

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      That is a start TREBOR.
      You may recall in the past few weeks Google had a decision against them. The parent company in the US was borrowing money at 1.2% and then using it to fund the Australian arm but claiming a tax deduction for 7%. As crooked as it gets!
      The courts let Google claim 4%…..unbelievable! It should have been their actual borrowing costs and then the ATO should have hit them with a huge penalty tax to punish them for being crooked.
      The issue of the rich and their big businesses getting away with outright fraud never seems to end. You idea of an exits tax may be the way to stop the fraud but expect the rich end of town to come up with the next scheme. The problem is that there are no laws which allow the ATO to fix new cons as they arrive. Ten years down the track is NOT acceptable as this is effectively letting the crooks get away with it. Welcome to governments governing for the big end of town.

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    Can someone define for me WHAT IS A MILLIONARE, A RICH PERSON and a WEATHY PERSON

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      Millionaire is someone who owns a house in Sydney.

      Rich person is someone who has more than you.

      Wealthy person is someone who flaunts their wealth like a certain necklace.

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      Might be a help in answering your question.

      http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/the-number-of-australian-millionaires-grows-boosted-by-property-gains-20160624-gpr3ay.html

      234,000 HNWIs is not many in 25 million people. Less than 1%.

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      Less than 1% maybe but please mention the percentage of the national income these people represent….as well as the percentage of tax they pay on their incomes. These are the only pertinent figures as they do not lie.

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      Mick you will have to ask the ATO that one and I would be surprised if you get an answer.

      Beside it is none of your business how much other people pay in tax. If you pay tax then you at making money if not then you are not pulling your weight for this country.

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      And here you use the Turnbull sidestep. Hide the facts and escape scrutiny.
      It is everyone’s business if the top are laundering money.
      The issue IS if they top are pulling their weight. You can deny all you wish but the fraudulent behaviour at the top, which they calling ‘accounting’, is what it is.

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      If you pay tax you are making good money and it is as simple as that. If these tax avoiders are making risky speculative gambles on losing propositions to avoid making money because you pay tax on it then, in my opinion. they have rocks in their heads.

      There has to be a great deal of fraud when multi millionaires declare less than $18 200 income. Whilst driving jags and living on the harbour with the yacht at the end of the wharf. Or very dodgy tax rules and regulations.

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      It’s the loopholes often intentionally left there and the fact that when a scam is discovered it is only ever closed when too many people are in on it. That is why the old ‘Bottom of the Harbour’ scheme was shut down. No other reason. So they moved onto the next scheme:
      Superannuation.

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      Only 234,000 HNW individuals in Oz, yet some idiots claim millionaires are claiming aged pensions. Seems doubtful to me that of only 234000 HNW people a lot of them would be on aged pensions.

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      My guess is about 10,000. Their postcode would be a clue. Especially in the Balmain or Newtown area.

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      TREBOR. I hope you realise that had you gone bankrupt if the cars were registered in the company name they would have been sold for the funds to pay off creditors.

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    Shorten talks of fairness but I fear that fairness is a concept quite new to him. His sense of fairness when he was running the AWU did not extend to the members who were paying his wages. He managed to extract multiple dollars for the AWU from employers by getting workers replaced by contractors and dropping penalty rates for others.

    Shorten is an opportunist and his reply was big on rhetoric and short on detail. His continued call for a Royal Commission is merely fluff as a Royal Commission into banking will disclose nothing of substance. Banks have been colluding for years and all attempts to prove that have failed dismally so they will be fully armed and ready for any Royal Commission with glib answers and watertight facts. His hollow claim that the government should resign if $1 is passed on cannot be proven as banks have continually played games with fees and interest since deregulation. Amy changes by the banks will be justified under “market forces”.

    As regards the Medicare levy, Shorten didn’t object when Gillard increased the levy but suddenly he thinks that it is a bad idea. Labor also savaged Abbott when he imposed a temporary levy for three years on high income earners but now that the levy is due to be cancelled under the original agreement, Shorten wants it to remain.

    Sure, the budget isn’t everybody’s cup of tea but no budget ever is and although it has been said that this budget is “Labor Lite”, Shorten still wants to challenge every piece, even the ones where Labor has, in the past, promoted such a policy.

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      Opportunist? Come on, that is unfair. He presented the FACTS, not lies.
      Instead of plying the man we need to properly examine the issues and follow the money trail. With this government it is all about mega debt with no end in sight, taxing average citizens and giving already rich people heaps of money via tax cuts.
      You can run but you can’t hide Old Man. The facts are what they are and no amount of rhetoric can change that.
      For the record Turnbull once supported Renewable energy…but now does not. No point talking about who did what many years ago. Politicians cannot even keep to their promises made a couple of months ago let alone years ago. Tony Abbott? Still fresh in everyone’s mind.

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      Thanks MICK, I was referring to his opportunism when he got the millionaire Pratt to fly him down to Beaconsfield in a charter flight so he could have his head on TV when the miners were brought to the surface. I was also including his part in the downfall of firstly Rudd and then when he changed sides, Gillard. He’s like most politicians MICK, it’s all selfishness.

      I am amused at the claim of playing the man, isn’t that what Shorten has been doing with his personal attack on Turnbull? Calling him “Mr Harbourside Mansion” has nothing whatsoever to do with an argument against policies under Turnbull’s government.

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      They all look after their own nest Old Man. For the record I have never called Turnbull “Mr Harbourside Mansion” as he has made his money and these are the spoils. I won’t go into detail about Goldman Sachs (ex employer) or its reputation but will say my scorn is for the job Turnbull is doing and the fact that he is one of the culprits using an offshore tax shelter so please nail me down on my criticism if I am wrong rather than on statements I have not made.

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      Whoa back there MICK. I assumed your suggestion about playing the man was in reference to comments I made about Shorten and my reply was couched in that vein. If I have inadvertently referred to your good self I submit a full apology. We don’t always agree but I respect your right to air your views.

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      No apology necessary. I understand. We are both passionate and if I played the man then I meant to air the facts. Cheers.

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    Bill Shorten’s response to the budget was excellent.
    People have not had rises to sustain a .5% extra Medicare levy. Limiting it to earners over $87000 is definitely fairer.
    It should be more about choices the government makes to fund services. They do not need to go after the workers relentlessly.
    Tax avoiders is where they should cast their eyes including millionaires and companies.
    Someone on two and half million claiming one million to have their tax affairs managed is a rort pure and simple. Many Australian companies pay no tax. It is not just the multinationals.
    The NDIS needs more funding as some people are still missing out.
    The PM looked crushed when Bill delivered his speech in parliament last night. I think he would like to be fairer not just hope we will believe it if he keeps saying it. He is powerless in his party unfortunately.
    Until everyone pays their taxes and not rely on the poorer end of society to fund health and education etc things will not change. Kudos to the wealthy who do pay taxes!

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      PM looked crushed…he was biting his lip to stop himself smiling more like it.

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      Actually Geezer the government front bench spent most of the reply looking at the floor and unable to make eye contact with the other side. Perhaps this government has resigned itself to its upcoming fate. Who knows.

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      A lot can happen in 2 or 3 years so I wouldn’t get too concerned about it Mick.

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      Such is the effect of propaganda run by your mates and rich supporters……..

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      Mick it is actually tough being rich as every bugger wants to have a share of it as well.

      That said I’m off for a half price lunch at the club to save a few bob.

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      Point taken.
      I might come down on rich people but I support their right to be rich as long as they have not reached this pinnacle through unfair and crooked means. If my comments suggest otherwise then maybe I am not specific enough.

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    Labor need a divine intervention. They need to spend a lot more time in the wilderness before they see that happening.

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      Spoken by somebody who has no idea of what is happening in the country.
      I suspect the government needs either divine intervention or the Murdoch Press on steroids. The propaganda campaign needs to start immediately if this lot are to be saved from themselves and their greedy supporter base.

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      So what did you actually say mick?

      My falling out with Labor is about their policies on gay marriage and refugees.

      Then we have the labor greens combination where the greens party has become a platform for every radical who has a beef about something. For instance the party concerns over the great barrier reef seem to have been eclipsed by whether a woman can breastfeed in Parliament or not.

      There is too much of “me and my entitlements” coming out of labor and the greens.

      I prefer to support a “steady as she goes” liberal administration until labor get back to the political party they used to be and that’s going to take quite a while.

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      I just want to see the LNP floundering as the economic chaos they have allowed all collapses around them.

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      I oppose Labor primarily over their ‘equality by force’ measures, when all they need do is leave it to ‘market forces, as they should have done before destroying the public service via AA, although actually it was a Liberal government that installed AA and created the ‘jobs for the girls’ network there – look at the results to date….

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      Charlie: Believe it or not but I do not vote Labor despite seeing many of their policies as being fair and being nation building whilst the coalition only has one agenda: send money to the already wealthy.

      If it makes you fell any better Plibersek and her constant raving about homosexual marriage has been getting on my nerves for a while. Shorten needs to give her the flick as her interests are in getting reelected, not the country.

      Refugees…or rather unregulated immigration: I fully agree with you here too. Unlikely Shorten is going to go back to the past given what happened and given that this is the prime reason Gillard was upon and thrown out. I did warn Swan, Gillard and a couple of others that this was going to happen but then the heads on some of these people would not have fitted through the door passage. Lesson learnt I suggest.

      There may be some crap but I think Shorten was to the point last night. Pretty hard to argue against most of what he said and the recurring theme spoke for itself. In the end the claim from Morrison of ‘fairness’ is what Shorten put to bed. But then would you expect anything other than blatant lies from either the current crew or the one before them. Time for the electorate to reward this lot for their gutter nastiness and blatant dishonesty. It’s been a long time coming but finally dumb voters are seeing this government for what it is.

      If you have any suggestions on how to go then please air them. Re-electing the current bunch of bushwacking lying puppets owned by the big end of town is not an option. Maybe a coalition in the future when the party gets rid of the scum and governs for the country may see that change but it’ll take several election defeats before that arises.

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      I am very similar, Mick – don;t vote Labor any more than I vote LNP… for the simple reason that in my eyes their fair policies are out-weighed by their unfair ones, and as a nation and society we should not be compelled to accept a degree of wrong in order to gain a degree of right….. governments and governments-in-waiting should only be abiding by absolute fairness and even treatment (not their version of equality by any means), rather than imposing on the people to push their own barrow.

      The concept of service and of duty to the people first and foremost has become vastly over-shadowed by very stupid and self-serving ideologies, mostly imported from nations we have no wish to emulate.

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      MICK, you vote Labor. So do you TREBOR. OK, you may vote Indy who passes on your votes to Labor.

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      The only thing I’ve got to add to this, is the way Labor, Greens and some dark races have stirred up the Aboriginals and got them on the path of “the world owes us” to the point where they are destroying monuments and protesting to shift public holidays that offend them and in general trying to get a compensation hand out for the way they were treated 100 years ago. Needless to say, all those involved in mistreatment of aboriginals at that time, are long dead and gone. Political correctness has also got out of hand, so that anybody who says, “stop, you are asking for too much”, is immediately branded a racist.
      Many aboriginals are behaving as if the government is going to give them back heaps of land where they can do as they please and have alcoholic communities that can wander off to the nearest city and be immune from arrest when they commit misdemeanors under the summary offences act.
      What the aboriginal population have is the native title act, which is essentially a land use agreement, not land ownership. This has some benefits for the preservation of their culture but they still have to give their their children a good education and live like decent human beings according to how it is defined by white culture, not the myth about how they had it all together and the whites came and messed it up. You wont find many that will go back to wearing animal skins, sleeping in the dirt, hunting all their own food and doing without medical care.

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    Since the political twins have very similar policies I think Shorten has addressed a few of the young earners concerns i.e. paying back HECS sooner, upping the UNI fees and increasing the medicare levy. It is a sector of the community who are really financially stressed in the housing market – it all adds up if you’re living on the edge. If a young person has bought a home already they won’t benefit from a tax relief of the $30K put in super.

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    I’m with you Mick. The amount of tax paid relative to income is a scandal. PAYG have no option as the tax is deducted from their pay, but many businesses have a multitude of ways of minimising their tax. Example go on holiday. Arrange for a couple of meetings, 10 days apart. Claim the whole trip as ‘travel’ . Company cars, include all the family’s, petrol, servicing, leases .. need I go on ?

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      I hope you don’t get audited as you can’t claim the whole trip as “travel expenses”. You also have to allow for a certain amount of personal expenses with cars etc as if you don’t you will get fined. You have to prove that expenditure was part of doing business and not of a personal nature. It is not near as easy as you make out.

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      Do you really suggest that accountants do not work the system so that it is ‘legit’ Geezer, whatever that word means these days?

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      Mick your ordinary run of the mill accountant actually operates well within the law because they simply don’t what to spend the time arguing the law with the ATO. That cost them time better spent doing more paid work.

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      Creative accounts teamed up with lawyers make a formidable team. The real problem is that governments well understand the rorts but choose not to end them. The current batch not only understand that multinationals avoid paying tax but are a part of the problem with our PM having an offshore tax shelter. This is not because he is a kind soul of any sort and I await the ATO doing the sums and publishing the tax avoided. I suggest it would be substantial…but we will never know because the laws have been changed so that our PM and others can now be invisible to scrutiny. That is so wrong.

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      inextratime, if you want to reduce tax deductible expenditure then start with the public service. It is out of control. Part of Rudd’s stimulus plan saw $billions flow to the public service. And not from the ATO.

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      I had a business – ran two commercial vehicles – also got the Jag and the Daimler repairs etc off tax…

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      Those claims for deductions only reduce the tax payable by a %. You don’t get the total back. Thar includes uniforms with company logos stitched into them – not just attached.

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