15th Feb 2017

Sparks fly on Q&A between Lambie and Abdel-Magied

Amelia Theodorakis

Monday night’s Q&A saw one of its most explosive confrontations yet, with a question about immigration leading to a full-blown yelling match between Senator Jacqui Lambie and UN Muslim Youth Without Borders Founder, Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

The topic of discussion was on mass cross-culture migration putting “the idea of democracy in question”. An audience member asked that because “people come with different cultures, experiences and expectations,” isn’t it “time for the democratic leaders of the world to identify and define the rules so that migration doesn’t disturb the peace and harmony of the community?”

The Tasmanian senator said she believed Australia should "look after our own backyard first" and should "follow Donald Trump's example by deporting all Muslims who support Sharia law".

Making reference to the one-third of pensioners living on or below the poverty line and young ice-addicted kids, Lambie said, “Something needs to be done and if that means we need to put a hold or a ban on that for two years to make sure that those in our own backyard get what is needed, so be it.”



She then said, “Anyone who supports Sharia Law in this country should be deported,” prompting 24-year-old activist Abdel-Magied to interrupt with, “Do you know what Sharia law is? ” and insisting that it was as simple as “me praying five times day”.

In the heated footage of the show, Ms Lambie is seen replying, “What about rights for women? You can’t be a Sharia law supporter and be half pregnant at the same time.”

Her voice rising, Ms Abdel-Magied demanded, “What are you talking about?” before regaining composure to say:

“Okay, I am not going to attack you personally. My frustration is that people talk about Islam without knowing anything about it and they're willing to completely negate any of my rights as a human being, as a woman, as a person with agency, simply because they have an idea about what my faith is about. Excuse me, Islam to me is the most feminist religion, right. We got equal rights well before the Europeans.

“We don't take our husbands’ last names … we were given the right to own land. The fact [is that] people go around dissing in my faith without knowing anything about it, and want to chuck me out of a country,” she said.

Senator Lambie responded: “We have one law in this country and it is the Australian law. It is not Sharia law, not in this country. Not in my day.” To which Ms Abdel-Magied vehemently replied, “In Sharia it says you follow the law of the land on which you are on.”

Both panel members were visibly flustered but managed to control themselves after host Tony Jones broke in with the warning: “Can I say, shouting at each other is not going to help.” Only Ms Abdel-Magied apologised, admitting that her outburst was “unbecoming”.

The Sudanese-born Australian then turned to Lambie to say, “It hurts me deeply, right, when you, when my elected representatives, don't want to have me in this country simply because of my faith or because of where I was born. And I think this kind of rhetoric is what we saw pre-World War II.”

The furore has sparked an important debate within the Australian community about the level of knowledge that people have of foreign religions and cultures, and making judgements.

 Read more at ABC.net.au

Opinion: What kind of Australia do we want?

It’s ironic that a question on whether it was time to define new rules surrounding immigration in order to avoid community conflict, led to a scuffle between two people on opposite sides of the issue.

A large proportion of Australians are particularly against Muslim immigration, despite the actual number of Muslims in the country being small. The reasons for this appear to be the fear that Muslim migrants ‘threaten’ Australian society.

The results of the Essential Research poll, published in September last year showed that 49 per cent of Australians support a ban on Muslim immigration, including 60 per cent of Coalition voters, 40 per cent of Labor voters and 34 per cent of Greens voters. Additionally, according to a study released in January last year by the University of South Australia’s International Centre for Muslim and non-Muslim Understanding, one in 10 Australians are highly Islamophobic.

However, it should be noted that while Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world – it is not in Australia. Data from the Pew Research Centre shows that the 2011 Census revealed that 2.2 per cent of Australians (just 476,300 people) identified as Muslim. And this figure is not showing signs of rapid growth (the results of the latest 2016 Census haven't been released yet).

In the midst of so many current political discussions of what should be done to protect local and global communities, it’s important for us not to lose our heads. We have to be smarter and more socially intelligent than the politicians, who will use any tactic to get us onside with their party, policy and agenda.

In terms of threats to our freedom as Aussies, the statistics speak for themselves to negate this. We must resist falling into the ‘fear trap’ of believing that just because someone is different, they are a threat – or that they can be grouped in with those individuals who are threatening.

Personally, I want to live in a country that doesn’t just call itself culturally diverse in its tourism ads, but where people actively encourage diversity, difference, and cultural expansion in day-to-day life. The fact is, we live in a globalised world, and it’s only getting smaller.

What do you think? What kind of Australia do you want to live in? Are Australians too willing to make assumptions before knowing the facts?

The Australian has also released this informative guide explaining the ins and outs of Sharia law.

Related articles:
Hanson pushes for burqa ban
Hanson: What is ‘Aboriginal’?
What is Australia’s largest religion?





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mogo51
15th Feb 2017
10:34am
I am against Muslim immigration and proud of it. The reason that 50% of Australians feel like I do, is because of what Muslims try to thrust upon us and demand that we conform to 'their' way of life. I am afraid it is the other way around - they want to come to our Country not vice versa.
I object to their whining about our religious beliefs, if they don't like it, go back to their country of birth. I object to 'halal' nonsense, don't want the way we serve food, go back to their own country.
If they want 'Sharia Law' - go back to their own country.
I rarely agree with Jackie Lambie but she has nailed this one!
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:17am
100% in agreement mogo51.
Leebee
15th Feb 2017
11:28am
I agree with you also Mogo and Pablo. We want people in this country that intergrate, not congregate. It's the Muslims that don't intergrate like the other races do, and that's of deep concern to me.
biddi
15th Feb 2017
11:29am
I'm totally with you, mogo51.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:33am
You're a mob of ill informed yobbos. You should be proud of yourselves while the rest of Australia should hang their heads in shame on your behalf.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:38am
Grow up Paulodapotter, and open both your eyes to what is happening around you. It is people like you who are the dangerous ones with your bleeding heart attitudes!
Batara
15th Feb 2017
11:47am
What do you know about Muslims and Islam no-go? And where did that knowledge come from? The real issue here is that people are dog whistling out of ignorance. The concerted hate campaign over recent years has influenced people to be hateful. But then they claim to be Christians. Did Jesus preach hate?
Joy Anne
15th Feb 2017
12:13pm
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MOGO1.
GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM. NO SHARIA LAW IN AUSTRALIA ONLY AUSTRALIAN LAW
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
12:39pm
They are no worse than some of the main stream religions we have in Australia today. When are people going to realise that the laws of our country are not religious ones but ones legislated by our government? I certainly don't tolerate any religious beliefs or ideologies forced upon me or my family. Anyone who thinks their religion is above the law should not be tolerated within this country.

Christians are just as bad as Muslims as far as I am concerned. One has only to look back in history and some of the things Christians did are as bad as if not worse than what Muslims have done. What was done in the name of religion to many kids when I was growing up was just disgraceful. Fancy being told to stay away from certain religious people because of what they had done to other kids.

I know many Muslims and many Christians and as long as they keep their religion to themselves we get alone just fine.
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
1:16pm
This whole debate is being driven by people who frankly are ignorant of the true situation regarding Islam.
We have rabble rousers intent on stirring trouble and they latch onto the latest minority arrivals in the country and work at making them objects to be despised.
The easiest aspect to pick on is how they dress but they don't pick on people from India who often dress in a similar manner to that in their home country.
They don't pick on Orthodox Jews , as least not as much as previously, who have a very distinctive dress code.
In England redheads are given a really hard time of it.
Come on and realise that we are all the same under the skin and for goodness sake don't take the words of rabble rousers simply because those words reflect your own internal prejudices.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:25pm
Bit late for me to grow up, Pablo. So I thought I'd educate myself better. I recommend it to you. Thank you for the bleeding heart reference. If I'm a compassionate person, then that's something to be pleased with. However, being informed and having an anthropological view of the world is much better. It prepares you for trouble, trouble caused by ignorant yobbos who are hell bent on division rather than inclusion.
Gra
15th Feb 2017
1:46pm
I just love the way people come out in defence of Islam and Muslims.
Can they tell me any other religion that has requested suppliers to pay a tax so they can have a stamp of approval placed on their product. Can any of these people tell me why a bottle of water needs a Halal certified stamp on it? Was it drawn from a stream while facing Mecca? Can these people tell me why Muslims feel they have a right to disobey our laws? They are in Australia so are bound by our laws, if they don't like our laws, they don't have to live here. Can these people tell me why Muslims feel it is their right to congregate en masse, waving banners inciting other Muslims to slay the infidels (that's people like you and me and no doubt some of these "enlightened people")?
Rainey
15th Feb 2017
3:04pm
Precisely, Gra. And what of the Muslim leaders who insist Sharia law prevails over our laws? They say this publicly, and without apology.

I've researched extensively - UNLIKE YOU BLEEDING HEART IGNORANTS!

Yes, there are good, decent Muslims. I have friends among them. But THEY agree with me that we need to protect this country, and sadly there is no reliable way of determining the true motives of would-be immigrants, or which will assimilate. So we have to work on the evidence that is available - and that evidence attests that Muslims are causing problems. It may be only a vocal minority, but that's irrelevant.

We ARE paying for Halal certification, and that's DISGUSTING. Most Aussies don't have any interest in Halal, so why should we pay for it.

We ARE being threatened that Sharia law will prevail, and that's just WRONG.

We ARE being told we must tolerate a security risk of covered faces, and that's NOT ACCEPTABLE.

We need to preserve our culture and heritage and our way of life, and frankly, I think we were STUPID IN THE EXTREME to ever compromise it by allowing substantial immigration from any non-Anglo-Christian nation. Sorry if that offends some, but it's my opinion. We throw bucket loads of money at preserving Aboriginal culture and heritage, yet we throw away our own.
missmarple
15th Feb 2017
3:15pm
OH Mogo I am with you 100%, Jaquie Lamby and Pauline Hanson would be the only 2 Politicians to show some balls and say what the MAJORITY of Australians feel, I would back them any day
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
3:52pm
So if I decide to become a Muslim where do I go? There are more home grown Muslins in this country than those that came from overseas. I see no more problems with Muslims than Christians. Religion is the problem not the particular faith. If I choose to cover my face that is part of the freedom we all have in this country.

I remember having this conversation before and I think it had something to do with Asians.

All Halal certification does is show that a product contains no pork just like other labels show that a product contains no gluten or nuts.

There is bad in all religions and Christians at one of the worst.
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
4:02pm
What about Kosher food?
The three religions that derive from Abraham are the only ones that violently discriminate against other religions.
The history of Christianity is nothing to be proud of with truly shameful episodes up to and including recent times.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:07pm
TT
Only those who have eyes to see - will see.
The others will remain living in blissful ignorance!
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:27am
Yes Old Geezer for once i agree with you, REligions are there to confuse people.
and it causes nothing but trouble. And yes there is good and bad in all nationalities.
This is the problem.
REligion is not a prerequisite for sustaining life.
But some just can't seem to live without it.
It becomes habit forming....lol and thats all it is.
Just like i can't shake the habit of eating chocolate.
Those i eat it less these days.
and People need to learn to get along with others and intergrate, if they are to become a great nation. But i'm sure they are not taught to do that??? There lies the problem.
Grumpy
16th Feb 2017
10:06am
Pablo, paulodapotter nailed it. It is the ignorance and blind acceptance of division peddled through the mass media and unquestioningly swallowed by you which is the greatest threat to this country.
To pick up on some of the issues raised:
-forcing religious views on us. Christians have done this for centuries and continue to do so. It is only because they are the majority of which I assume you are a member that you have no objection. No problem while you are doing the bullying, but all hell breaks loose when someone objects.
- Halal food. Grave objections to Halal, but I see no objection to Kosher, customs for which are almost identical to Halal.
- Go back to country of origin. Where do Australian born Muslims go?
- Object to failure to integrate. How well do strongly orthodox Jews integrate. But no objection to that.
As you can see from the above the views you have expressed are at best a series of half-baked ill thought out knee jerk reactions to neoliberal dog whistle commands, and at worst ill intended blind, ignorant , self serving racial intolerance.
Oh, a final thought; what are your views on born and bred, well educated Australians who convert to Islam as adults, beleiving it to be a superior religion?
Grumpy
16th Feb 2017
10:06am
Pablo, paulodapotter nailed it. It is the ignorance and blind acceptance of division peddled through the mass media and unquestioningly swallowed by you which is the greatest threat to this country.
To pick up on some of the issues raised:
-forcing religious views on us. Christians have done this for centuries and continue to do so. It is only because they are the majority of which I assume you are a member that you have no objection. No problem while you are doing the bullying, but all hell breaks loose when someone objects.
- Halal food. Grave objections to Halal, but I see no objection to Kosher, customs for which are almost identical to Halal.
- Go back to country of origin. Where do Australian born Muslims go?
- Object to failure to integrate. How well do strongly orthodox Jews integrate. But no objection to that.
As you can see from the above the views you have expressed are at best a series of half-baked ill thought out knee jerk reactions to neoliberal dog whistle commands, and at worst ill intended blind, ignorant , self serving racial intolerance.
Oh, a final thought; what are your views on born and bred, well educated Australians who convert to Islam as adults, beleiving it to be a superior religion?
Jannie
16th Feb 2017
6:07pm
AGREE TEN FOLD
Rainey
16th Feb 2017
6:24pm
Halal certification is costing us millions, OG. Who cares what it is. We don't want to pay for it.
Eddy
16th Feb 2017
11:29pm
Okay Rainey, a bit of homework for you. How much does Halal certification really cost? Same question but different logo, how much does Heart Health 'tick of approval' cost us? Do we have to pay for the 5 stars? What about all these 'Quality Certified' logos that cost companies big money, how much is passed onto the consumer? When was the last time you bought Halal certified food? When was the last time you bought Kosher food. What about Gluten free, do you pay extra from gluten free? etc etc etc.
Retired Knowall
17th Feb 2017
11:24am
“What’s also passed on are the savings generated by the economies of scale, and that is simply that it’s far more cost-effective to produce things in large quantities for larger markets than it is for smaller markets,” he told Four Corners.
FrankC
17th Feb 2017
1:20pm
Leebee you mention 'integrate'. well go to Loganshire in Queensland, where there are 51 nationalities, and see if they are not congregating within groups from their country of origin.
Retired Knowall
20th Feb 2017
2:32pm
FACTS FACTS FACTS
Does Halal certification increase costs to consumers?

The cost of obtaining Halal certification varies depending on the product involved, the organisation from which certification is sought and whether the goods are for export or domestic consumption. However, the fees are often modest.

For large-scale manufacturing the cost of certification in the context of overall manufacturing, advertising and distribution costs has little, if any, impact on a product’s price. For example, in relation to Halal certification, the Senate Economics References Committee (the Committee) noted, in a 2015 report on third party certification of food that ‘evidence received by the committee overwhelmingly suggests that Halal certification does not result in increased food prices’.[3]
cdbstock
21st Feb 2017
5:33pm
Paulodapotter -you obviously don't understand Islam & the Quran which all Muslims must follow.
Some basic practices:non-Muslims are 'infidels'; Muslims must not mix socially (esp marriage) with 'infidels' - so there can be no integration; female mutilation; Muslim men can marry children; Muslim men can have several wives; Muslims must obey the law of the country as long as obeying a law does not contravene Sharia law - Sharia law comes first; Muslims in Australia benefit financially from a 'Halal' fee (tax) on most foods - we all pay for this tax even though we are "infidels'; Muslim females who wear the burqua while driving cannot be breath-tested (all Australian States except recently NSW) because this requires removal of the burqua - only in NSW are police empowered to require removal of a burqua
Motorbike helmet wearers are required to remove the safety helmet when entering a bank - but a burqua wearer is not so required (to remove her burqua); etc
cdbstock
21st Feb 2017
5:36pm
OG - please open your tiny mind & learn about Islam as compared to other 'religions;
buby
3rd Mar 2017
12:56pm
Paulo sorry but i'm a well informed yobbo as you put it, and i don't go round banging my head, i wonder when you will see sense?
NO Sharia Law IN Australia thankyou. NO halal Rubbish we have lived without it and can manage thankyou.
And NO Extra Pedphiles IN australia thankyou we have enough to contend with as it is?
Stop trying to Dominate us, WE let you muslims come here so you could live peacefully. Now you trying to tell us how to live??
LOL GET a Grip.
If you not like it or our laws, and won't INtergrate.
Please GO BAck where YOU came from.
WE don't need any of that rubbish here.
WE have coped for many years with many other religious ppl here, and they have intergrated.
Paulo which bit you not comprehend. I will explain to whY and where for if you would like???
buby
6th Mar 2017
8:21am
To pick up on some of the issues raised:
-forcing religious views on us. Christians have done this for centuries and continue to do so. It is only because they are the majority of which I assume you are a member that you have no objection.
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what a load of cods wollap grumpy, i was brought up a christian, but i have gone to become an atheist, but no body is forcing me to stay a christian, but they do want to change the laws in australia, and i'm certainly against the "sharia" bull, and the Halal bull. Soo too much bull in there for me. they want us to change for them. NO way HOse'
They need to assimulate, if they want to live here? Or go back to where they came from, and it seems they weren't too happy there either! cause here they are trying it ON us. WE don't need their rubbish here. SO Stop the BuLL
seedub
15th Feb 2017
10:38am
Why does this article rely on the 2011 census to state there are only 476,300 muslims in Australia. I would hazard a guess to say that there would be many more than that figure today.
I am also tired of the rubbish written by supporters of the failed multi cultural lobby that do not understand and obviously do not comprehend that the so called global initiatives to support this failed experiment are now throwing up new controlled borders and many countries trying to recover their own cultural background.We have far too many problems in Australia today to try and recover our economic stability to be playing around with left wing fantasies of global goodness and light.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:18am
100% agree seedub.
Lookfar
15th Feb 2017
11:36am
Seedub, using the Muslim issue to attack Multiculturalism seems a bit back to front to me, - the problem with a large percentage of Muslims in the country, (and "hazarding a guess" is not very logical) is that the Muslims can get control of the democracy and then Multiculturalism is gone, whites, blacks, yellows, etc, all have to give up their culture, - look at that blowing up of the huge Buddhas in Afghanistan, was that Multicultural? No. I think your approach is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and that baby includes the rest of us. Australia has become very multicultural in main, mixed race marriages are totally accepted, huge variety of yummy Tucker from all over the world, a much freer society has developed, so gathering hate on Multiculturalism is, in my opinion, welcoming Muslimism.
Jim C
15th Feb 2017
11:40am
I agree that the 2011 Census is not the up to date vehicle for these figures - surely the 2016 Census figures are now available?

Whatever, I have read all the comments posted so far and note that ALL are not in favour of any Muslim immigration into this country whatsoever - and there is no real surprise there. Like it or not, there ARE racist elements in this country despite it being a nation of past immigrants. As for those concentration camps set up offshore - they are a disgrace. Whatever your views on "illegal" migration, no child in particular should be made to suffer there and should be brought here at least for their safety.

It is a fact of course that globalisation is with us, the world is that much smaller these days, it doesn't take weeks to get from one place to another as a general traveller but those fleeing persecution and worse risk the lives of themselves and their desperate families just to stay alive. Should the western world turn our backs on those people ?

There are, of course, so-called economic migrants the world over who will try to break the system but, surely, with proper responsible immigration procedures, not knee-jerk bubble thoughts from our highly-paid elected politicians, all so-called civilized countries should be able to manage this situation in an appropriate manner.

Now we have the twitterati in the White House who is making it up as he goes from day to day - he is likely to be more of a threat to most of us than any group of migrants could be. To stop mass murder in that country requires serious gun control - and that ain't gonna happen.

I await responses with interest and, for what its worth, I expect Mick and the other folk who have a lot to say about most things on here to hit me hard with their comments :) !!
john
15th Feb 2017
12:26pm
Brilliant Seedub
correct , multi has been a major failure, and it does kill a culture. We seem to be fprced to build up every single different kind of culture that comes to this country , rave about the cooking and colourful ceremonies and all that, in the mean time forget about Australiana , well I won't , I love this place with a passion, I will never be happy with the overload of TOO different people coming here. And I will vote that way.
Also for Jim C again, you mention race , I'll give you race , the beginnings of this cruel and by many, misinterpreted religion, the Middle East, that is the birth place of horrors. Because of religion. And here's one to get you thinking , I am very very much against Zionism and the stealing of Palestinian land after 2000 years .
Think about that , so I do have some understanding of Islamic terror when it may be horribly wrong but its the only way.
But now in a different way, they hate the whole bleeding world.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:11pm
Many people put down their religion as Christian in the 2016 census simply because they didn't want a Mosk build in their neighbourhood so don't put too much faith in those figures.
GoldenOldie
15th Feb 2017
9:58pm
Why does this article rely on the 2011 census to state there are only 476,300 muslims in Australia?
As the article clearly states, the data from the 2016 census is not yet available. 'Hazarding a guess' is just that,a guess, that serves as a vehicle of the bigotry of various posters. Most of the hate promulgated in these responses sheds more light on the character of the haters than the issue! What is difficult to accept is the logic that because 'some' people think a certain way then it must be true and accurate. There is no evidence here, merely hateful opinion.
cdbstock
21st Feb 2017
5:51pm
JimC - ;'Like it or not, there ARE racist elements in this country despite it being a nation of past immigrants' -
For your edification re racism:
Muslims can be Australia, American, British, Indonesian, African, Middle Eastern Chinese, etc., Muslims are not a 'race'
Watto
15th Feb 2017
10:51am
Totally agree with the comments so far . We don't need them , we don't want them . It is no surprise that the likes of Trump and Lambie are winning over the voters .
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:19am
That is exactly correct Watto.
john
15th Feb 2017
11:45am
Yes the fact of life is that each to their own, to a reasonable situation, Islam is a religion and religion should not rule life and common sense can never be achieved by religious dogma, and Islam is a our way or no way. Australia has the chance right now to protect our young Aussie culture. We have an obligation to our first Australians to make them all the same as we are, we are secular and do not need anyone to wander around dressed up head to toe , to advertise what they are are , and we're supposed to like it. Well Politically correct minority grow a blasted brain, humans don't work that way, and humans terrified of their own religion, man made like all are, don't appear to be in charge of their lives even when they think so.
Faith well and good , don't slam it into others , what ever the doctrine of Islam is about spreading the word, have a look at human history and how Christianity spread the word and killed off half the populations with disease, now this Islamic fanaticism is trying to invade its way everywhere like a virus. For that Yasmin to say you know nothing about Sharia , well we don't want to , and don't have to and never will, if Yasmin you prefer it get the hell out and live in an Islamic country. That comment finished me right off.Time to start thinkinmg pollies and remember you work for us.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:38pm
You see heaps of silly sheilas converting to Islam to marry a Muslim, and then finding out in many cases what a nightmare it turns out to be - you don't see many Muslim guys converting to Christianity to marry a Christian girl....

(sighs - and women want to run this country)..................
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
1:20pm
If religion shouldn't rule life what steps should be taken to get right wing Christian beliefs and policies eliminated from our Parliament.
They trample on women's rights just as one example.
Gra
15th Feb 2017
2:08pm
Tom Tank, please explain how you perceive our government to trample on women's rights. Peoples lack of faith and abandonment of religion is one of the reason this country is in a state of morale decline.
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
4:11pm
I wrote beliefs and practices eliminated from Parliament meaning the drive to stop women having control of their own bodies and everyone having equal marriage rights.
I don't think I have to name all the righteous believers, including a former Prime Minister, who put their religious beliefs before the interests of their constituents. They may espouse religious beliefs but that is as far as they go because they don't always act in a manner a Christian should.
Religious institutions are the ones with their rigid adherence to doctrine and dogma are the ones responsible for people walking away from the churches. Good grief they cannot even obey one of the ten commandments.
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:35am
WEll Trebor *(rolls eyeballs) it seems to me that many of the men not doing such a great job either!!!! Them liberals are flaming hopeless.
Easier to blame the labour party right!!
but what we don't read is what the liberals are doing under the covers.
sneaky deals? we don't know. Cause they reckon we should all be kept in the dark and told nothing?
and the preferencing rubbish. This needs to stop.
OUR system is broken, and something needs to change.
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:36am
WHAT a load of Rubbish GRA.
GO back to school and get an education~~!!!
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:46am
Yes tom Womens rights have been rights have been pushed aside from the dawn of time.
And still we have to fight for it.
Its a never ending fight.
but a worthwhile fight,
Me things anyway.
Not all women in parliament do the right thing, and many men don't either.
Yet if they make it to the big Office, there is always something there to bring them down.
It take a tough woman to survive.
I thought Julia might have toughed it out.
But the system has to change i think.
The system sucks
I mean, Its not a good thing when the red head has to make deals with the bull!!
Why can't we be told what went on there.
There should be NO sneaky dealing. She should have discussed with her party, before making any thats for sure.
I mean I think the media used the wrongs words there, or perhaps they were her own! Under her name.... Jeez lol pauline, i thought you was pulling for US, not for yourself.
If you in a party you should be working together.
NOt separately.
Its feels like the system is screwed, pardon the language, but i keeping it simple and to the point.
Retired Knowall
17th Feb 2017
11:27am
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TREBOR
18th Feb 2017
11:55pm
buby - you are a lost soul. I never mentioned the Labor party in regard to any total exclusive right to 'own' the issues of Muslimism and multi-culturalism. I lambast both parties equally over this long-running weeping sore in the side of Australia.

I merely cited that many silly sheilas convert to Islam to marry, but not many Muslim blokes convert to Christianity to marry..

WTF is wrong with you?

Reading your other stuff - I see you are a rabid feminist and have some serious mental blinkers.

Thanks for coming, but.... you know.... in this modern time of many issues your issues are past history.
niemakawa
19th Feb 2017
12:01am
Trebor. Most women in western society are happy with their circumstances and do not see feminism as helpful. Feminists rarely if at all condemn the fate of muslim women. I would suggest that feminists go to muslim countries to see the welcome they will receive. Feminists in the main are haters of men so they should do well in say Saudi Arabia.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:25am
I have noticed those things, niemie. 'feminists' rarely if ever speak out against often dreadful things done to women under Islam.

Islamist groups consider 'feminism' as another form of 'crusaderism' and use it and its interventionist policies into their 'nation without borders' as a reason to continue jihad and kill US and British and Australian servicemen and the occasional servicewomen.

Thus feminists will never go there, but keep a simmering fire going in the background. Just a waste of time, and always have been.

This country is in dire straits and does not need any more politics of division. Feminists can love it or leave it.....
Patriot
19th Feb 2017
8:48am
FEMISISM was a MOVEMENT "Hijacked & Infiltrated" by the "One Worlders" in order to disrupt the family unit.
Yes, in some cases women certainly had some issues with equality etc. This needed addressing!!!
buby
19th Feb 2017
9:52am
trebor yes i do apologise, i am very cranky tho, the way women are treated and have been treated since the dawn of time.
When writing the above, i guess it was afternoon and i needed a nanna nap lol.
As i have a degeneration of the spine, and when i'm overtired i'm not sure what i type at times, tho trust me my heart is in the right place for now.
and i have a few on going painful issue, that have to be surgically fixed. and I"m on a long waiting list, this too does not make one very calm!!
But as tasmanian mp has said its time we cared for those in our back yard, who have long been ignored.
I worked extremely hard in my life, and i have injuries that have been with me a long time. Too long, and some that have been ignored, cause some doctors can't read exrays, and others can't express themselves in english. Shit how in the hell do they get a DR in front of their name.
OUR whole way of living in australia has gone downhill, and it seems NO man in charge has been able to sort anything??
Where does the problem lay, the men cant work within a team to sort anything, cause they don't give a darn, they too busy lining their own pockets. REally WE bleeding well sick of it???
Frank
19th Feb 2017
10:14am
buby, I share your concern. That is the real tragedy in all this haste to grow our population. The previous government only had eyes for the Muslim women who average 3.1 babies. As well as looking compassionate on the world stage. Meanwhile existing citizens are neglected.
geordie
15th Feb 2017
10:55am
No one wants to be considered "racist or islamophobe" but we have only to look at every country that has welcomed Islam and Islamic immigration to see the mess that eventually occurs. Every Muslim is a moderate until there is enough voting power to change the laws and rules to their favour. There are many Muslim areas in the free world that now have sharia enclaves, and sharia no go zones. It can't be controlled later, so if we want to keep our Australian way of life it has to be addressed now. Good on you Jaquie Lambie for putting yourself out there and speaking what most 'sane' people are thinking.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:39pm
I, for one, am heartily sick and tired of any dissenting voice being labeled as some kind of hater. What ever happened to round table discussion of issues?
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
1:21pm
How do you explain Malaya and Indonesia?
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
3:00pm
Our Lady in Malaysia is Chinese from a very illustrious family been there for centuries... she suffers discrimination from Muslims because she works for free to give education and cultural knowledge to immigrant children.

Muslims tell her at times to 'get out of their country'....
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
3:20pm
Good to see we are not the only country who say it TREBOR.
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:38am
Your so right there Geordie
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:27am
Yeee-usssh, Wstaton - but her family have been there for hundreds of years - it is HER country as well. No Islamite has any right to tell her to leave it.
Boomah52
15th Feb 2017
11:00am
In Penang a few days ago sitting at a beach bar and I viewed a large obese man in bathers with roles of fat in full view showering. His son followed and then the mother came into view - fully covered except for face in I suppose some sort of bathing attire. She showered and I wondered why she bothered. Many women wear the "branding" of Islam - if the woman on Q&A had removed her head scarf and said I can wear what I like I would then believe her.
john
15th Feb 2017
11:32am
That Yasmin was too young and to uninformed to be on that show at all, when she commented on Islam being the most forward religion for feminists I nearly fell off my chair.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
12:13pm
I thought that was a bit to. But this is a free country and she should also consider how forward she could be in a country that is completely ruled by Sharia Law.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:42pm
She wouldn't be on Q & A Da'ker Arabia.... tonight Effendis, we bring you a tale of two mullahs.... the face of the Prophet will not be shown and women will watch from the sidelines while preparing sweetmeats for the break....
WideBayMike
15th Feb 2017
2:51pm
Her comment on renewable energy showed how much she knew. She stated that Denmark and Germany? run on renewable's but a quick check shows that Denmark has 40% renewable's and they import 12% of their needs and Germany has 30% renewable. Also someone should have told her before you go on tv that shouting at people with a different view on things will not gain you any popularity in Australia.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
3:13pm
Pretty good widebaymike considering this 30% renewables in Germany is the equivalent to providing the whole of the Australian population with electricity.
jzb
15th Feb 2017
11:00am
I totally agree with you mogo51. You just have to look at the atrocities the muslim 'refugees' are causing with assault, rapes, destroying things, etc in Europe. I've heard first hand from people who live there and don't want the same thing happening in this country. Keep them out!
BrianP
15th Feb 2017
11:23am
Don't be fooled by the tactics of some Muslims like the question "Do you know what Sharia Law is?" They try to defend themselves by ignoring the main issues.

When each country considers how best to look after its people it is a fact that many Muslims resort to violence. They have to accept the responsibility for the many in their faith that choose to harm others.

It is also a fact that Muslim leaders encourage their people to emigrate in large numbers to other countries to spread Muslim faith.

Yes we do need to call on our leaders to do more to protect our own people to preserve our Australian way of life and our freedom and safety.
Eddy
16th Feb 2017
9:54am
BrianP, obviously history is not your best subject. So Muslim leaders encourage their people to spread the faith, nothing unusual in that. Christianity has been doing that for centuries, just look at Australia. Have you ever heard or seen a religious observance for the Rainbow Serpent or any other deity used by the indigenous people of this country (if I offend any indigenous person by referring to their religious symbols I apologise). No! The 'good' Christians obliterated the indigenous religions.
I have Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons coming to my door trying to convert me but I have never had a Muslim at my door.
Patriot
16th Feb 2017
10:32am
Eddy,
I also do not like to have my privacy "Interfered with Unsolicited" as happens by the JWs & Mormons.

However, Muslims are much smarter than this. They first "Out-Breed" us to get the numbers and then they will defeat us via ANY MEANS required to gain victory.
Remember - Sharia allows Muslins to LIE IF/WHEN such action is deemed to be furthering the CAUSE of ISLAM!!

Migrants have the ability to contribute to OUR country in "Positive & Meaningful" ways when their contributions (and sometimes changes) complement OUR existing culture.
I am not against Diversity but abhor segregation and "Lack of Integration".

I am an "Import" myself and understand how easy it is to become "Engulfed" with your own nationality ONLY rather than integrate with the Australian population.
I also have seen how DETRIMENTAL (lack of Integration) these actions are when they are allowed (and looking on the surface promoted) by OUR Elected Representatives.

The only solutions - to me - seem:
1 Integrate into the Aus community
2 Minimise desired changes to those complementary
to the prevailing culture (Love Greek,Thai & Italian
foods.
3 Obey OUR Laws and - if necessary - improve them to
ensure FREEDOM for ALL rather than select groups
no matter how large (numbers) they are
4 Export on FREE 747s those who demand changes
solely reflective their "OLD" country IF such changes
are NOT FAVOURABLE to ALL AUSTRALIANS
5 Also expel those who do NOT want to subject to Aus
Laws. They be would much happier in their OLD
country
6 Enforce & Test for control of the English language of
ALL (except the very old) - No English after a "Set
amount of time" - GO HOME we will ensure you will
7 NO GHETTOs - OUR Government MUST take positive
steps to DETER - as Ghettos ensure NO Integration.

"Political Correctness" does NOT "Fit In" with this argument and for those who feel that "protective Actions" to preserve AUSTRALIA & its Culture as it is/was is offensive, divisive & discriminatory: "Get Hold of Yourself" THIS IS OUR COUNTRY and we should not allow "Silent Invasions".

You don't like it here" "GO HOME" where conditions are "In Sync" with your "Cultural Demands"!!!!
Eddy
16th Feb 2017
2:49pm
Outbreed us, I have heard that before, of course, in the 1920's it was Daniel Mannix, Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne proclaiming that if RC's couldn't beat the Protestants but they could outbreed them. Did that happen, I don't think so.
TREBOR
18th Feb 2017
11:59pm
Where I went to school, there were two Catholic families living side by side - one had twelve kids, the other eleven - at school we all thought that was amazing, but had no concerns about being over-run by Catholics.. they were just the same as us at school and nobody gave a rat's. That was in the early 1960's, at a time when my Catholic mother's and my Anglican father's families would not speak to each other.

I mingle with the Catholic side very well and have never found them anything but normal people.

I'm still waiting on the outcome of the latest beheading craze amongst silly Muslims to decide if they get the same treatment.
MFB
15th Feb 2017
11:24am
The comments so far are depressing in their ignorance and prejudice. Australia should be and, I still hope, is a better country than is represented by these comments.
john
15th Feb 2017
11:28am
Nonsense. Try remembering the dead people or attacked people and their families in the name of this religion. Think?
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:36am
Right on John! It's people like you MFB who are putting our country and our citizens at risk by failing to see or understand the consequences of their stance!

All other nationalities we have in Australia came here to become Australians and assimilate, the moslems have just brought their problems with them and want to set up their own country in OUR country!
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
12:10pm
Replace MFB with FGM and then you may reconsider.
Tom Tank
15th Feb 2017
1:26pm
You are right MFB. Look at the number of people who have been murdered in the U.S. in the name of white supremacy.

A lot of the criticism of Muslims used to be directed at Roman Catholics. Even today one could question if they own their allegiance to a foreign power, the Vatican?
Gra
15th Feb 2017
2:14pm
Open your eyes MFB. It is pointless ignoring what is happening around the world when it comes to Muslim immigrants. Do you really want to wait until that is happening here and by when it will be too late to stop the cancer of Islam.

Spot on Pablo.
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
2:33pm
Spot on, MFB and this is an example of that ignorance:

"the moslems have just brought their problems with them and want to set up their own country in OUR country!"

What rubbish.
Retired Knowall
15th Feb 2017
5:24pm
Yes lets get rid of these Muslims, they don't seem to follow our main stream religions practice's of paedophilia,
john
15th Feb 2017
11:25am
Unfortunately what kind of Australia we want to live in seems to fall on deaf ears in the political realms.
The minority are politically correct , the majority just say how they feel.
There is this talk , just read, that we need to accept globalisation and multi cultured society, well sorry it hasn't and doesn't work through out history, it works to a degree where differences are minimal, but when it come to Islam and what perhaps a small group of Islamic fanatics have created then we just never ever know, and that is not Islamaphobia , it is not racism , Islam is a religion, it is just a sad fact, that we don't and maybe won't ever trust this religion, because of the way it can lend itself to murder and hatred , a bit like globalisation does to the average person, so rich people get richer. Just a fact folks thats all.
4b2
15th Feb 2017
11:47am
John,

The Crusades were Christian led assaults on foreign countries. Religion has always been used to justify a war.
Charlemagne slaughtered over 300,000 in the name of Christianity.

William the Bastard slaughtered over 100,000 in England after his boat people arrived. Seems to me his decedents have the same mentality. If they are the same as us lets wipe them out.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:44pm
Fourbie - we've advanced as a civilised race since then - the Muslims from certain areas have not. We are living here and now - not over a thousand years ago.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
3:56pm
Yee-ussssh - but the Crusades were in response to Islamites forbidding any religion but Islam from using the Dome of The Rock, which was sacred to Muslims, Christians and Jews.

THAT was why the Christian world set out to re-take Jerusalem. Now that Israel controls it, it is open to all three again.
Justwright
15th Feb 2017
11:28am
Does all this 'Fear Mongering' about ALL Muslims being undesirables, not remind people about the 'Fear Mongering' about the Jews that was the basis of the Nazi behaviour in Germany???? Come on people! You cannot brand a human group based upon their religion any more than you can decide that ALL red heads are clumsy or ALL men are wife beaters. There are good and bad people all over the world, they come in all shapes and sizes and they follow a range of religious beliefs.
Nan Norma
15th Feb 2017
12:22pm
JUSTWRIGHT.I don't remember the that Hitler slaughtered the Jews because they were murdering the Germans.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
12:38pm
The issue with Islam is that it is an out dated non reformed ideology and way of life for the benefit of misogyny and global dominance.
Any defenders of Sharia are proponents of Islam and propagandists that tell us Islam is the religion of peace, is a total lie.
The information is out there for all to see and at last Australians are finally waking up to the dangers of Islam.
john
15th Feb 2017
12:44pm
This is not NAZI GERMANY, this is not 1920's 30's 40's, we are not going to exterminate Muslims, we just don't want many more here. right wrong or otherwise. Do not put us in the same bucket as the Nazi's , there is one nation in the world behaving like that now , and its NOT Australia or America for that matter..
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:46pm
My great-greats on one side were Jews from Hamburg - there was no Jewish Jihad against the German people.... there are none of that name now living in Hamburg, either.
Rainey
15th Feb 2017
3:16pm
I'm certainly not branding ALL Muslims - just saying there are enough making trouble that we should not risk letting any more in. That's all. Sure, there are good ones, but we don't have a failsafe way of determining which present risk - so closing our doors to the risk is just plain common sense.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:22pm
We all ready have enough Christians causing enough trouble too. So what do we do with them?
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
5:44pm
Crucify them Old Geezer!
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:45pm
OG you must be a Christian!!
Attila
18th Feb 2017
8:35pm
I wonder if anyone writing here is a Politician? Hands up!!
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:00am
Not yet - but every time I see the crap that goes around, I feel it is time for me to put up my hand.....
redxdingo
15th Feb 2017
11:29am
Muslims are people with a religion I would rather that than the bigots who know so little about any religion or spirituality or humanity but subscribe to the mindless fear mongering I am hearing Keep the country safe from bigotry I say That is what we need to really fear Muslims are PEOPLE Parents wanting to bring up their children Children wanting education & play .When you hate someone or a group that is about your hate not about that person
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
12:28pm
I don't hate Muslims because they want to be part of a religion a religion proven or unproven by scientific facts. But I do hate some of the things that are done in the name of religions.

I do hate some of the things that are done to people due in a large part because of their religious faith. I do hate the things that are done by a religion to others.

But if this is against the law of the land (not a religion) then this should be punished much the same as any other criminal act.

Children are not born with a religious faith they are indoctrinated into it the same as their parents were and so went on though the ages.

What a lot of people do not realize is that we have reached this amazing technological age not because of any religion but becuase of women and mans ingenuity and scientific facts.
john
15th Feb 2017
12:48pm
Redxdingo, tell that to the people whose families were destroyed by Islamic murderers, in Bali, or the towers in NY, or the railcarriages in Spain the underground in England , the nightclub slaughters in France and Belgium the trucks driven through the people celebrating, you'd rather have no bigots who may not be bigots at all, and replace them with cowards who want to kill you. It only takes one .
Gra
15th Feb 2017
2:25pm
For one thing RexX, Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology. An ideology with the intent of ruling the world which is why they migrate and breed like rabbits.
Abby
22nd Feb 2017
9:08am
Spot on Gra
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:30am
The majority of Australians want to stop moslem immigration because their so-called "religion" is not even vaguely supported here. The terrorists that have been arrested after planning and/or committing a terrorism act have all been moslem and Australians rightly fear what moslem immigration is doing to our country. I personally find it extremely confronting when I come across these people dressedfrom head to toe hiding their identity!

They do NOT want to assimilate so how can you say that we are the ones at fault for not accepting them, they do NOT accept us r our way of life, but they love our welfare benefits. How can anyone agree with the moslems as they practice female genital mutilation?

I totally agree with Jacqui Lambie and Pauline Hanson's One Nation because they are standing up for what Australians want!

And I am so sick and tired of that radical leftist ABC program Q&A who promote attacks on those who do not want moslem immigration and then blame Jacqui Lambie for all the yelling etc. It was very clearly that moslem from the ABC who started it and deliberately provoked Jacqui!
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
12:57pm
Spot on Pablo.
It should be called The Q&A Comedy Hour, I had many huge laughs with this show.
The hypocrisy of allowing the dumb Muslim lady to open with a 3 minute uninterrupted rant then jump all over James Paterson in his second sentence was typically ABC pushing it's agenda.
Tony Jones is a smuck.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
1:39pm
As is that dopey moslem thing that was rude to everybody because she didn't agree with them and had an ABC agenda to push! She talked all over everyone and Jones just encouraged her and let her do it!
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
2:13pm
Agree and I'm still chuckling, which is a lot better than putting my foot through the Telly.
The Black Fox
15th Feb 2017
7:25pm
What a couple of “drongos” you two are. This 25 year old lady is not a “dumb Muslim lady” or “that dopey moslem thing”. Decent Australians believe in a “fair go” and would not treat anyone, let alone a young woman, in this way. Your attitude is un-Australian. This young lady was brave enough to stand up on national television and attempt to refute the bigoted remarks directed at her religion. Good on her! She has more guts than both of you put together. Australia can do with her type – not yours.
jackyd
16th Feb 2017
12:04am
Black fox you are a total red herring.
The fair go you are talking about interrupted and talked over the person who had the stand and was belligerent, uninformed and a disgrace.
Your confusion of religion and ideology let's you down badly and you need to toughen up, get smart or alternatively, succumb to the fate of Jihad.
WindyGap
15th Feb 2017
11:31am
The main thing I object to is the lack of reciprocal rights for Christians in Muslim countries.
There was recently an article in a newspaper about a complaint from a Muslim mother in Tasmania regarding the insufficient facilities for her young son to pray etc! To my mind the school had been falling over backwards to accommodate him. However in most Muslim countries everyone is supposed to adhere to their customs. Where is the fairness in this?
Also, don't get me started on the Social Security payments and other benefits to the multiple wives.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:42am
True in minor circumstances, just as the reverse is true in minor circumstances, you poor old bigot. You listen to too much rubbish from like-minded bigots.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:02am
Careful Paulo..... you need to look both ways and in a mirror at the same time here....

... and you could try refuting an opposing position with facts and references - name-calling only makes you look like a bigot....
niemakawa
19th Feb 2017
12:06am
Trebor having a dislike for an ideology is not being a bigot. Some cannot fathom out that. islam may have (or pretend to have) some components of a religion but at best it is an authoritarian regime.
4b2
15th Feb 2017
11:37am
I don't understand why Australians are so afraid of Muslims. Before 2000 I cant remember a lot of hatred of Muslims, back then we were on the end of hating Asian boat people. Many years past it was Protestants hating Catholics. Australians hating Chinese. Australians (British immigrants or British Boat people) hating the local Aboriginals. All without reason and the only consequence was to marginalize those groups and isolate them as something to fear.
The stupid argument about Halal Certification is similar to arguments in the 50's about Kosher certification.
May be all the haters should form a local KKK. Then they could hate everyone not within their hate club.
Australia we can do better.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:48pm
Any of this ring a bell?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
1:20pm
You are quite confused 4b2.
Don't confuse every Muslim in comparison to the single ideology of Islam and the hundred pluss verses in the Koran that cites violence to the infidel.
Although it would seem when a Muslim runs of the rails it's to the chant of Allah Akbar.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:44pm
Didn't we all hate Asians awhile back too? Muslims today. Who tomorrow? Martians?
Retired Knowall
15th Feb 2017
5:28pm
Bogan welfare bottom feeders.
Attila
19th Feb 2017
12:49am
To answer your query 4b2, perhaps it was 911?
Perhaps it was in invasion of Iraq?
Waring tribes like the Sunni and Shia need a President that understands both sides.
Much as we did not understand Iraq's President at the time with what we call cruelty, he did keep a peace with no bombs going off.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:31am
No - 'we' dd NOT hate ALL Asians a while back. SOME Asians were trouble from Day Zero and should have been sent to Cambodia for the Pol Pot treatment....
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:39am
I didn't expect any more from our poor old ill-informed oldies. You're acting like a mob of ill informed yobbos. You should be proud of yourselves while the rest of Australia should hang their heads in shame at your behaviour.
Is there anyone out there that agrees with me that Muslims have an equal place in our society along with everyone else and should have the same rights to immigate and seek refuge as anyone else? I'm in despair of these terrified,bigotted, ignorant and cruel bunch of belly crawling xenophobics.
Tarzan
15th Feb 2017
11:52am
I have looked under a few rocks but I am still unable to find anyone that agrees with you, The argument that you put forward seems to miss the point
Mozzie
15th Feb 2017
12:08pm
Well here's one that agrees with Paulo, Tarzan. I feel ashamed to call myself Australian when I read all the ill-informed bigoted posts on this site. Just think I'll stop reading it!!
tj
15th Feb 2017
12:30pm
Paulo your argument falls apart when you use the term ''equal in society'' .Do you honestly think that in muslims eyes we are their equal
Gazumped
15th Feb 2017
12:32pm
My Dearest Paulodapotter,

I'm just wondering if you've had the chance to visit some of the areas of London that have been converted into nigh on 'no-go zones'
How about some of the suburbs of Paris, or large areas of Marsailes?
Have you ever been to Leeds or Bradford?

I consider myself very well informed, and very well travelled, and my opinions are very carefully considered.

Here is a question for you:
At the height of the Spannish Inquistion, and all of the gross excesses that that entailed, would you have considered Christianity and its adherents as suitable migrants to a 'hypothetically' modern western country?

Surely Islam is demonstrating sufficient significant doctrinal aberrations from its core values, just as Christianity did in the past, to warrant a much closer look at individuals wanting to share our country.

Any religion, and I reiterate, ANY religion that can spontaneously cause in excess of 100 deaths worldwide over a satirical cartoon, ie the Danish cartoon, I would conservatively say has a volatile preponderance towards violence. This has been ably demonstrated by numerous Islamic responses to western media reports.

Our very own Grand Mufti attempted to clumsily justify the Bataclan Theater assault.

I am not terrified, bigoted, ignorant or cruel, I am however informed, educated, intelligent, and compassionate, and above all a realist.

Anthony Mundine, famously refused to stand for the Australian Nation Anthem, Junaid Thorn openly advocates overthrowing our givernment, both these men are proclaimed Muslims.

I do hope you can become better informed of the facts.

Kindest regards
Gazumped
The brutal truth is, once Islam gains a foothold in a suburb of a western democractis city, that suburb goes backwards at an alarming rate
ozqueen
15th Feb 2017
12:46pm
Paulodapotter
Calling people names and giving them labels has always been a tactic of people who didn't really want to argue the points brought up by their opponents.
You don't want to listen to reasons. You've made up your mind - as narrow as it is - and anyone who doesn't agree has to be wrong. You obviously feel too that people who have lived longer, seen and experienced more than you have less knowledge of the issue than you.
You are either a troll simply stating the opposite to get a reaction. Or you are just poorly educated in listening to others and giving fact based rebuttals to their arguments.
Reading some of your replies it's hard to judge because you haven't shown any real knowledge of anything!
Batara
15th Feb 2017
1:16pm
Tarzan, I agree with Paulo. The ignorance and racism on display makes one wonder why so many support terrorism. That is what has happened. Terrorism has driven these craven morons into a state just where the terrorists want them. Islam does not support terrorism. Twisted fanatics conduct terrorism to destroy our society. The comments I read here cause me to fear they are succeeding beyond their expectations. Wake up Australia. Don't fall for the fanatics' strategy.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
2:33pm
"poor old uninformed oldies "
I take it if you have the time for this is that your are a dole bludging key board warrior sucking off the generous welfare provided by those you belligerently condemn....take a hike!
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
3:06pm
"terrified,bigotted, ignorant and cruel bunch of belly crawling xenophobics.".

You've excelled yourself here without providing one iota of substance, just like the rest of your posts on this issue.

'terririfed' - No - we're girding ourselves for true for the coming jihad.

'bigoted' - NO - we simply wish to discuss different views on the same subject without vilification.

'ignorant' - from one who has provide plenty of rhetoric but not one thing of substance to support stated views.


'cruel' - No. I donate to refugee camps and aim to do aid work for free sometime - do you? I welcome good citizens from all nations - it seems you don't welcome the Irish or any other strongly religious group.

'belly crawling' - No. And we never intend to be to suit some pack of half-minded fools from the 10th Century AD, nor to anyone who supports that.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
3:48pm
Great work Trebor...
As that great Footscray captain once said..
"Stick It Up Em"...
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
3:58pm
Ouch......
Not Senile Yet!
15th Feb 2017
11:40am
There is no such thing as Islam Religion!
It is an ideology that has become a Cult!
They refuse to accept our Laws...i nsisting on Sharia Law!
There can only be ONE LAW in Australia....and Sharia Law will never be accepted here!
Imagine if every migrant insisted on having their own Laws in their own enclaves/suburbs and they made them No Go Zones!!!
No the Islamic Leaders have their own agenda to keep their power over Islam Migrants and their children!
They are a Cult Religion and should be deported if the cannot or will not accept our Laws and allow their children to Intergrate and intermarry as other Migrants have! This is Australia....imagine if the Chinese started demanding Communist Laws?
No one has an issue with peaceful Muslims who wear open face Nijabs....join our police force...play footy..soccer...whatever!
But the real test is allowing their offspring to have and enjoy Freedom of choice by Marrying who they choose and becoming more Aussie!
But currently they refuse to assimulate and Put Freedom of Choice above their Cult/religion....as other immigrants do!
They do not seserve their Migrant Visas as their Religion/Cult does not allow them to participate in Australian Culture or Values nor their Children!
It is they who are Racist and Elitist and it is they who are demanding Special Priveleges & Laws.
As for Hal-al....it is an ILLEGAL TAX that uses loop holes to exist and the people of Us are very unhappy with the Govt for Allowing it within Australia!
To put it Bluntly...it is a Mafia Style tax!
No we are not Racist or Islamophobic!
They are Racist..Sexist..Against Cultural Diversity and Integration....Elitist and have constantly disobeyed the Rules applied to All Migrants....that they obey the Australian Laws as required to Hold a Migrant Visa!
When you do not respect & obey our Laws....Expect to have your Visa Cancelled and Be Deported!
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:44am
You don't even know what Sharia Law is. I'd much rather have an Imam in this country than another Catholic priest - not that I think any of them are worth a pinch of salt.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
11:55am
Paulodapotter, your leftist bleeding heart is getting in the road of reality. It is typical of people like you who try so hard to take things off on a tangent like your unsupported lie that Not Senile Yet doesn't even know what sharia Law is. Totally irrelevant, and not addressing the facts!
Sen.Cit.84
15th Feb 2017
2:36pm
G'day Not Senile Yet,
I agree with you, well said.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
3:31pm
Not Senile Yet!
As our Country is - with an iron fist - ruled by a mob of "UNPATRIOTIC GangBusters & PIRATES" who WILL NOT keep the bad element which inherently seems to be embedded in the Islam Ideology under control, I agree with your statement 100%.

If Muslims MUST make "Major Changes" to our Culture in order to "Like it Here": "Piss off & Leave us alone".
Those who are not willingly leaving should indeed be "Returned from where they came from" in which ever mode of persuasion necessary to get back to "The Place" which provides the conditions for them to be happy".

My Mate Putin on the other hand does not seem to have - under his "Patriotic & Strong leadership - a problem with Christians and Muslims living in the same country.
NOGs were evicted from Russia as they were "Stirring up" a lot of trouble like in Georgia.

Apparently, neither was there a problem in Jerusalem between the "True Jews (Not the Ashkenazi Jews) & Arabs" before the "State of Israel was created in 1948.

Neither was there a problem is Syria between religious groups before NATO & the USofA started MEDDLING in Syrian Affairs and demand the disposal of their Democratically elected leader whose election was monitored & verified by the international forces and found to be honest!

Australia ONLY for Australians & those who are willing to accept OUR "way of Life" and Integrate.
Abby
22nd Feb 2017
9:11am
Totally agree SC
dougie
15th Feb 2017
11:42am
I think that most people are opposed to Muslim immigration for two reasons;
1. They find the wearing of any head dress to hide the face and features is not acceptable to most Australian born citizens.
2. The high incidence of crime involving some Muslim communities and the fact that these communities seem to form a ghetto where we feel unwelcome and unsafe.

Maybe the Muslim community needs to heed these matters and understand that should they wish to come and live in our country and enjoy our way of life and the benefits of being "Australian" then they must move more to our way of life and away from their life as lived in their home country.

Welcome immigrants but please these people are coming to live in our country and not convert our country to theirs. This is about the only thing that I agree with Ms Lambie and Ms Hanson on. This is our country please treat it as such as at this stage you are only visitors and some not so welcome.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:45am
God, another ill-informed piece of work.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
3:33pm
dougie,
If they can go into a bank with their GARB why can a bike rider not wear his/her helmet in the same situation?
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
3:35pm
Paulodapotter,
Why don't you migrate with your Wife & daughters to France, Germany of Sweden if you think Muslims are creating the "Ideal Living Conditions"?
dougie
15th Feb 2017
4:01pm
Paulodapotter,

I may be a piece of work my fellow contributor, but I am experienced in life and have a knowledge of people and their thoughts. I am not a rude git who has the temerity to put down another person because they do not think the same as them. You have your rights to speak on a subject and I and all others have the same right. We also have a right to be heard and argued against or with. You do not have the specific right to condemn all who do not think as you do. Russia would be more home to you.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:04pm
dougie,

I think - currently - Russia is possibly a freer country than AuZ.
Just that they do not have the amount of JUNK that we seem to need for pleasuring ourselves!

They live "Basic Lives"!
dougie
15th Feb 2017
4:39pm
Patriot,
Whether you like it or not but after travelling a fair amount of the world I still say that Australia is the best country in the world to live. That is to me anyway. Forget the Turnbulls - the Shortens -the Lambies and the Hansons, they are only bit players on the stage of life. The life you live is up to you whether it be basic or otherwise you still have the right to choose it. This isn't so in many countries.
Given a choice outside of Australia it would be New Zealand and possibly Canada for me.
Free speech is great - rudeness is the price we pay for some of the great uneducated in life who seem to think that their thoughts are superior to all others, with little feelings for their fellow person or the rights that these people have.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:51pm
dougie,
I'm "an Import Myself" and also have travelled extensively.
When I arrived in Auz in 1970, this indeed was the country in the world which had the lowest TaxRate, the smallest & most efficient public Service and was the "Bastion of Freedom"!

Unfortunately many "Waves of CLOWNS" governing us from Canberra have eroded these Freedoms drastically and currently are ACHIEVING these actions at an accelerated rate!

Unfortunately, the rest of the world also has deteriorated at the same rate!?!?!

All I can ask: "Is there a General Plan and is this Plan Implemented by a Global Shadow Government"???

And I agree with you, Auz is still relatively free in comparison. However, the Clowns in Canberra seem to have "Different Ideas".
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:20pm
Patriot beware our neighbour to the North. Radical islam is taking root and spreading quickly. And what are the clowns in Canberra doing about it. Nothing of course, because they want islam for Australia. The enemy within so to speak. Western Europe has become a cesspit because of mass immigration of muslims. That is the policy of the ruling elite, they care not about their own people, just a misguided ideology to thrust islam upon the peoples of Western Europe. Ditto Australia.
Tarzan
15th Feb 2017
11:45am
A religion that encourages female circumcision, children pledged to marriage with old men , and men with multiple wives doesn't sit well with me. This isn't fear mongering, just facts, not in my community thank you.
4b2
15th Feb 2017
11:51am
Tarzan, I guess you are not a Mormon. While they do not practice female circumcision, they still have multiple wives within their creed.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:53am
Typical bigotted comment taking some circumstances manily in an ignorant unimformed tribal group as an example of a general rule. Just like saying that because many Catholic priests are paedophiles, they all are - that just nuts.
Slimmer Cat
15th Feb 2017
12:11pm
The Mormon Church has not accepted polygamy since 1894 when a condition of Utah becoming a State was the outlawing of polygamist marriages. There are a small group of fundamentalist Mormons who have been excommunicated from the main church who still live in the rocky mountains in small groups who still practice polygamy. To have more than one wife you must be able to support the women in exactly the same manner - each a house - support all children. They get no support from the government and to an extent the government leaves them alone as if the man was arrested and charged with bigamy the government might have to support two wives and twenty children.
Gra
15th Feb 2017
2:40pm
4b2 Not in this country they don't, Mormons abide by our laws, unlike Muslims who hold our laws in contempt believing only in Shariah law.

Paulo - obviously you are completely ignorant of the child brides taken by old Muslim males, either that or paedophilia sits well with you. There are so many aspects of Islam that are at odds with our beliefs, our laws, our way of life. Muslims have no intention of assimilating, preferring to try and undermine those platforms. Why relocate to a new country if all you want to do is carry on living under the same oppresive system of your old one?
Hasbeen
15th Feb 2017
11:51am
The inner city elites are so out of step with REAL Australians, with their belief in multiculturalism, & love of diversity.

Diversity is just another way of saying not compatible, & having incompatible living in the same country is a recipe for disaster. We are not prepared to let you fill our country with people who will mane no contribution to the wellbeing of all, & cause nothing but strife for the majority.

This example of African/Muslim immigrants by Yassmin Abdel-Magied, should be a warning to all fair minded Ozzies.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:55am
Another bigotted response. Lets have more paedophile priests instead.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:56am
You have no choice Hasbeen. We live in a multicultural world. Whose out of touch here? There's still a few deserted islands out there for someone like you.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
7:50pm
Yee-usssh - but we LIVE in Australia by Australian laws, wrong and wrongly applied as they may be at times.

We are not part of some 'global brotherhood of man' nor of some equally mythical 'global economy'.

I, for one, have no connection with people from run-down countries that often kill one another over petty differences.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
7:08pm
Most definitely. I would say 80% (at least) of the Australian population would agree.
Misty
28th Feb 2017
9:41am
I don't know what religion you believe in, if any Paulodpotter but I think you are out of step with the majority of Australians when it comes to the Muslim religion, if you can call it that. Australians want to live in peace and harmony with all the migrants coming to our country but unfortunately there are a few who do not want to accept our way of life, mainly the Muslims who cannot even agree to live in peace with one another. Muslims have been at war with each other for centuries, Sunnis (Traditionists ), Shi'its (Partisan), Sufi's (Mystics) and then there is the USA branch The Nation of Muslims (Black Muslims), what hope is there for peace when they cannot agree with each other, WE DO NOT WANT THEM BRINGING THEIR WARS HERE TO AUSTRALIA, and they won't change just because they are living in a different country.
Misty
28th Feb 2017
9:44am
I forgot to add, and then there are their wars against christianity, 80 to 90% of Muslims are Sunnis who believe in Sharia Law, THERE IS NO PLACE IN AUSTRALIA FOR SHARIA LAW ONLY AUSTRALIAN LAW.
JAID
28th Feb 2017
10:24am
I also generalised regarding Australian law but we should appreciate that it has been able to find a way of accommodating certain aboriginal traditional laws on a confined basis. Every approach of other laws need not run contrary to those statutes we regard as immutable.

If the Q&A woman accepts that she is part of a discrete sub-community where a price of entry is praying to her god or prophet or whoever a handful of times a day then it can't hurt us to permit a subset of operating laws requiring this to exist for that community. The test for validity would be whether or not those who practice it can step out at any time.

We won't wish to see that go as far as chopping of hands for theft or stoning for sleeping with some adult the community says is taboo so it is hardly fair to fear that.

The example is light but the enabling of community based laws works to bond communities, strengthen traditional hierachies and leave moreal and ethical leadership with a broad toolset, it is, then, as much as anything to dignify punishment regimes. Where individuals feely accept these controls I can't see there is any real compromise of any import.
Frank
28th Feb 2017
10:36am
Well said Misty!
Your post of 28th Feb 2017 9:41am.
HKW
28th Feb 2017
12:12pm
@ Paulodapotter

I found your comparison of Muslims to pedophile priests absolutely ridiculous. What has happened in the past would have no place today. People are more sophisticated nowadays. Should you truly know what radical Muslims are capable of, those few acts of pedophile priests pale to the brutal acts of the others. And the Muslims are getting worse, especially those from Africa. I have provided here enough evidence ( links) of Muslims rapes, violence and murder and you dare to whitewash their vicious crimes?
There is no way that I am going to accept stupid politicians unrealistic views on integration and/or assimilation. There is none! And never will be. I have no intention contributing my tax to the welfare of those, who do not respect the laws of the land we live in, they bring several wives, lots of kids and live off us.
Therefore, what needs to be done is to stop these greedy zionists wars in the Middle East so that THE NATIVES of those regions could remain on their lands! The politicians need to finally realize that people are AWAKEN and know what's going on.
Wazza
15th Feb 2017
11:55am
I find the xenophobic comments on here far more frightening than the small percentage of the Australian population (2.2% in the 2011 census) who have Islam as their chosen religious faith. More than half of those professing to follow Islam are non-practicing, cultural Muslims. Current attitudes to Muslims in Australia are reminiscent of Germany in the 1930’s and the early stages of the persecution of Jews, Roma and other minorities. And we all know how that worked out.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
11:58am
Thanks Wazza, you stopped me from committing harikari.
Mozzie
15th Feb 2017
12:11pm
Yes thanks! It's becoming just about unbearable to read all this twaddle! God save us from bigots!
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
7:52pm
"at 9% to 10% of the prison population, compared to less than 3% within the NSW population."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

Eat yer whack fer that.
Retired Knowall
18th Feb 2017
11:13am
Key Indigenous imprisonment statistics:
Make up 27 per cent of national prison population
Only make up about 3 per cent of overall population
Rate has doubled from 14 per cent at time of royal commission
Indigenous people are 13 times more likely to go to prison than non Indigenous
Between 2000 and 2010 the Indigenous imprisonment rate increased by 51.5 per cent while the non-Indigenous rate increased by 3.1per cent
In the Northern Territory around 85 per cent of prisoners are Indigenous.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:05am
Maybe we need to look at policing standards and at jurisprudence.....
Nan Norma
15th Feb 2017
11:57am
it would appear that Abdel-Magied believes if we knew (were educated) more about Islam and sharia law we would accept it. She tells us Islam is a tolerant religion. How can it be when Islam doesn't accept Christianity and rages war everywhere it goes. Abdel-Magied needs to take off her rose coloured spectacles and see Islam for what is.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:01pm
Another ignorant perspective. Jews don't accept Christianity and rages war against Muslims. We waged war against Iraq who did nothing to us. Whose wearing blinkers here? We helped to create ISUS. You reap what you sew.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
12:02pm
Nan Norma, it is not rose coloured glasses, it is plain lying as that is what the moslems practice. This stupid moslem woman from the leftist ABC needs to be just ignored, as she has nothing of any importance to say!
Rosret
15th Feb 2017
2:16pm
Yes, Nan Norma. She is very confident of her own right to free speech. How lucky she is to live in Australia.
Gra
15th Feb 2017
2:51pm
Paulo you're doing really well on "Talk to Text" computer. At least I presume that's what you are using given that you aren't blinkered, just straight out blind. Jews don't accept Christianity? When was the last time you saw a Jew berate or attack a Christian? Am i right in saying NEVER! Jews waging war against Muslims? I take it you are referring to Israel and Palestine, but have you noticed that the attacks on Palestine only ever occur after an attack by Muslims on Israel.
Magnolia
15th Feb 2017
12:00pm
This is a good read - http://www.businessinsider.com.au/heres-how-many-muslims-there-actually-are-in-australia-2016-9

This country was built on immigration - those that came here to build, grow and harvest food on farms, integrate and equally put up with the "dago" and "wog" slurs against them. Albeit that we were not threatened with a cultural and religious attitude by these migrants. After WW2 most if not all were happy to relocate the ravages to start a new life, and I would think that in some % , muslims are also happy to start afresh. BUT we do need to filter those that may want to come in under another agenda.. it just needs more surveillance by our authorities to weed them out and not allow them to grow. If they do not acknowledge to embrace our system and give 100% loyalty to this country do not allow them to enter.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:03pm
Thanks Magnolia - stating the obvious will help little against bigots. Our immigration laws are very stringent and we have little to fear from immigrants and more to fear from our own alienated citizens.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
12:41pm
WOW! Some scientific Facts.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
7:54pm
Yes - but when my respective family branches came here in the 1850's, they didn't set about forcing others to accept their religion etc. They set about developing prosperity and all were good neighbours to those around them - not criminals and so forth.

They had a live and let live approach.... many Islamites could learn that...
Bakka
15th Feb 2017
12:03pm
Rightly or wrongly. Islam has a major Image/negative perception problem , ( read PR issue) and it appears very easily influenced by so called "radicals"and then not capable of addressing this with in its own society. Therefore the " West" gets involved and is then seen as "the problem"
We also seem to focus on this as just Aussie anti Muslim attitudes. Now as some one who has actually lived overseas in a country with a large Muslim population and traveled in other Muslim countries, believe me, it is not just a issue unique to Australia.
Finally, have a look at what is now unfolding in Jakarta where a non Muslim is attempting to run for office in a so called Democratic Muslim country... very enlightening... pity Jacquie did not bring this one up for a response.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:07pm
At least you have a more informed perspective on the issue. The problem is not Islam or Muslims. It's radical religion of all persuasions, Muslim, Hindu, Chritianity and even Buddism (Myanmah). Muslems cop it more from Muslims than we do.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
7:56pm
'Behead The Infidel', and 'Behead those who offend The Prohet' (whatever that is supposed to mean) .. signs at rallies tend to do that to the casual observer with no real interest in such extremist views of life and religion.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
12:06pm
Personally I think is religion as a whole that tries to dominate on the way we live. I see all religions as being promulgated by men to for the control it gives them. Look at the catholic church controlled by men. Islam is just a bit more extreme with men at the top controlling others and even more controlling women. It's all a man thing. What is worse is that All religions have Have been started by men and today all religions say there is a god without any scientific facts. Most of the same people then decry that global warming is not happening when there is a multitude of scientific facts proving that it is. Over 95% of scientists declare it is happening. Give me some scientific facts about there is a god. Not what is written in books written mainly by men.

There is one scientific fact about religion. There has been more suffering and killing due to religion than anything else.

If people want to be part of a religion that their business and their need and I have nothing against that. But! when any religion castigates anyone for not wanting to be part or leave (even in accordance to Sharia can be executed) Then that done for me. Yes I know that the vast multitude do not follow everything in Sharia law but it is there. There is even nasty bits in the bible. If any religion decries these then they should rise up and have then struck from the law. After all we regularly strike things from our Laws.

If women want to continue to be lorded over by men through religion that's their want. Many Islamic women say that they have freedom under Sharia law but do not seem to have any say in the formulation of it. It wasn't women who said that they should dress modestly. They had no input to say what the definition of modesty was and the same restrictions should be put on men. Yet in extreme cases they are made to completely hide themselves under a predominantly black robe and even hiding their eyes behind a veil.

As I have said I see religions as being started by men to give them power and has been brainwashed into people down the ages.

People will believe anything.

Keep your religions but do not try and foist it onto me or anyone who does not want it. Especially without scientific proof. Do not try to get laws passed because that's what a religion says and subjugate me to something unproven.

Remember the Darwin theory of evolution and that the Christian religions tried to get it banned being taught in schools in the USA. Yet we are supposed to believe that someone call god ripped a rib out of a man and created women. The over lording of women started right there.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:08pm
I agree Wstation. You have a more informed perspective on the issue. The problem is not Islam or Muslims. It's radical religion of all persuasions, Muslim, Hindu, Chritianity and even Buddism (Myanmah). Muslems cop it more from Muslims than we do.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:12pm
As soon as you have people grouped under religious banners, you have a hotbed of potential conflict. Control is central to this process. Even when it's shown that the controllers are laced with a wierd bunch of paedophiles, it hardly puts a dent in those control factors.
musicveg
15th Feb 2017
2:07pm
I agree, Religion is a form of controlling people. When violence went out of vogue in the dark ages they found religion, scaremongers who killed witches because they liked to brew a cup of herbal tea or two. I believe in freedom to express oneself as long as you don't bother anyone else. I live in a rural beach area and for the first time in my life I have seen parks being taken over by praying of Muslims. This I feel does not sit well when children cannot run around and be free to play in a park. If they kept it in their homes and mosques, that is fine. And also many children are scared of the way the women dress in full cover, I myself feel threatened because we cannot use the face to judge our threats when they are covered up. I also found they expect us to move out of the way when they walk in groups especially the men. We all feeling threatened and that is the issue here, we need more information and need reassurance. It is like when you meet a stranger who you are not sure to trust, trust has to build.
Rae
15th Feb 2017
2:31pm
The biggest problem with all religion is the fantasy that life continues in some far better place if only you obey a set of rules.

That justifies all manner of destruction of the natural world and of ourselves as well.

Religions are all death cults when you look closely at them.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:25pm
I agree and there must be an awful of people very disappointed.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:30pm
Rae,
One of the Failings (amongst many) of our societies is that we are not being taught to accept that Death is a Normal "Part of Life" itself.

The "Powers that Be" have learned that, to shroud it in Mystery & Use it as a "Fear Strategy" instead can transfer enormous amounts of power into the hands of those who "Guarantee Salvation".
Dee
15th Feb 2017
12:10pm
Jeez where do you people live. Most of our professional staff in the big cities come from recent immigrants. Actually they are quite nice, try talking to some.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:13pm
Thanks Dee
Jess M
15th Feb 2017
1:52pm
So many people speak out of fear. Fear spread on a daily basis in all forms of media. The majority of Australians do not know any Muslims personally. I do not know any here in Australia however I worked for six years in Asia. I mainly worked in Malaysia and Indonesia. Both countries with mainly Muslim populations. I ran training courses in all forms of communications.

Malaysia is known as a Muslim country with 30,949,962 population (July 2016) They have freedom of religion policies 61.3% Muslin. 19.8% Buddhist. 9.2% Christian. With smaller numbers of Hindu, Confucianism, and Taoism.

In the thousands of participants I trained on courses ranging from one - three weeks I found without exception wonderful people. The classes were mixed gender with possibly less than a third of the women wearing hijabs. There was wonderful interaction between men and women. all participated well with no domination by either sex.

I was invited and visited many participants homes over that period and found they were just ordinary people like you and me. Saving for a home or buying one, raising a family and talking about the cost of living, their children schooling etc.

I don't profess to know nearly enough about the huge problems facing the world but I can speak on behalf of the thousands of Muslims that have been through my training courses and say that the time I have spent in Malaysia and Indonesia I have found them to have very similar values to us.

Most Muslims fear the extremist and so they should because the extremist have killed mainly Muslims.

I write this because I worry about the Muslims living in our communities they must feel the hate that many people are putting on them. I worry about the Muslims and other religious people and non religious people fleeing extremists having to leave their own country. We are all people of this world and it would be so good if we could share the love.
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
12:13pm
Jess - I've watched a youtube video of a Muslim student girl attacking a man on campus verbally for wearing a Pauline Hanson supporter T-shirt. she went after him like a snarling dog, and another non-Muslim lass joined in and sought to intimidate him over 'harassing women on campus' - when he was doing nothing of the kind and was going about his business.

Somehow it seems to me that the level of paranoia SOME Muslims BRING with them is the problem, not that there is this endless array of Aussies out there picking on them. I don't recall picking on any Muslims at work - but I do recall Muslims calling other people names (like 'you cun'), threatening to stick it in their mouth, and offering to rape their sisters. Never seen a gang or family of Aussies crowding the footpath from one side to the other and threatening anyone else to get out of their way. Never seen a car load of young Aussies kidnapping another guy off the street for being interested in their sister, either.

Seen all that with my own eyes, I'm afraid, so don't tell me.
Joy Anne
15th Feb 2017
12:11pm
Yes totally agree with Jacqui, all Sharia Law people should be DEPORTED. If they want do this then they should be DEPORTED AND NEVER TO RETURN. NO SHARIA LAW IN AUSTRALIA.
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND THEY SHOULD ABIDE BY OUR LAWS AND NO OTHERS, IF NOT DEPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY. NO MUSLIM IMMIGRATION AT ALL.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:14pm
Ah, you went to the same school of ignorance as Jacqui, Joy. Good on you. Bet you were a top student!
JOHN T
15th Feb 2017
12:51pm
I totally agree Joy and at the end of the day this is fact
NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS
It is a deadly Risk to take when there are other people to choose from to let in to the country
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:52pm
I agree with Jackie - I guess that makes me a national socialist - pity the NAZIS got first crack at that title and killed off all my relatives in Hamburg.
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
2:47pm
" ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS "

What rubbish!
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
7:59pm
I could have sworn that he posted NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS ... my eyes must be going along with my mind...

Mind you - not all terrorists are Muslims by any stretch - terrorists (I've studied terrorism/counter-terrorism BTW) come in all shapes, sizes and affiliations, sometimes including your own government............ (pause to let that one sink in)....
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
8:13pm
Re-read what John T said,TREBOR. He clearly said, "all terrorists are muslims".

In fact he shouted it. And it is simply wrong.
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
12:14pm
Well - that is an incorrect statement. All MUSLIM terrorist are Muslims, but that's where it ends.
john
15th Feb 2017
12:15pm
To Jim C , I read your comment and of course elements of racism are every where all over the world, every human including you has an element of racism in you , you will deny it til the cows come home. But Islam is not a race. It is a form of government in Islamic majority countries , its does allow in some places horrendous punishments under sharia , also the good parts of sharia involving lending and business etc, may exist , but being too non profiting can ruin a business as well , that's another story Jim C.
Fact is there are millions and millions of decent hard working honest non cruel very very faithful to their religion typed Muslims all over the world , the ones that aren't like that whose brains squirm in their heads with hatred murderous intent slammed into their stupid little heads by fanatics in certain places who through their own political needs use Islams horror of the long gone past to make war They are not just a handful. ISIS has a fanatical grip on its soldiers of which there are thousands, they send or claim all sorts of world wide acts of murder and destruction. Don't talk about children in refugee detention camps , that being horrid is true, but that being down to the average Australian to be responsible for, is absolute crud mate!
We have homeless on our streets OUR STREETS OUR PEOPLE!
Over the last 100 years and more we can't even find a solution to the real Australians who were here first , they still live in squalor in some areas , and no matter what stupid Ray Martin says on set up TV show s nothing, has nor will improve unless some reality was brought into that area , and that is you are us we are you, join the community of Australians there is no one better or worse in Australia, but we still have separation, the allAboriginal teams etc , this is a massive problem here , and your bleating about unfortunate child refugees , but how does bringing in thousands of totally different people from war torn countries that are so different to us help OUR OWN!? It doesn't!
Any more soft hearts out there ? Think about our indigenous and our homeless, OUR people, WHAT ABOUT AFRICAN GANGS ROAMING MELBOURNE THINK ON THAT , WHAT ABOUT THE MILITARY AGE MEN IN REFUGEE CAMPS , WHAT ABOUT HOME GROWN RADICALISED AUSTRALIANS LETTING THEIR CHILD HOLD UP A HUMAN DECAPITATED HEAD. WHAT ABOUT THAT , WHAT ABOUT THE BALI SLAUGHTER IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.
See only a few did that little Islamic act of murder, every human has to have some compassion , this is NOT about compassion and children , its about others and their responsibilities in this world, like maybe Saudi Arabia , why don't they take all Islamic refugees and give them homes.
Of course we'll always have the Sunni and Shia hatreds , over what ? Two people who came after Mohammed . Forget Jim C the religious and the children, remember one in a million with enough hatred and fanaticism to get in here and kill us. That is all this is about, and pity the good Muslims here, I understand their frustration and fear, but they do parade their religion, I don't know Jews or Catholics that roam the streets of Aussie cities saying look at me and my head dress.We are secular. Immigrants come here BECOME US.
Have a go at that one Jimmy.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:20pm
You are almost there, John. At least you're thinking. Problem is, you should not exhibit so much fear. The samples you site are not defining - merely symptom of our own misbehaviour. Perhaps we should stop invading other countries, particularly those that are not threatening us in any way.
Slimmer Cat
15th Feb 2017
12:20pm
Buy yourselves a copy of
"The Story Of Mohammed - Islam Unveiled', http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au
available on the internet and then nobody will be able to tell you that you don't know what Islam is all about.
A good read - not easy - but good read for a few dollars.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:21pm
Is it an independent review or written by an Islamophobe?
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
12:16pm
No - more likely an observer who applies reason to actions and words. You're not a Catholicophobe are you, or a heterophobe?
tj
15th Feb 2017
12:20pm
Wonder why someone who has been in this country since 18 months old needs a Sudanese passport .The title ''without borders'' is a concern for me ,this young lady ,even though well intentioned needs to remove her rose coloured glasses .Even though Lambie is a very rude and ignorant person certainly nailed this one.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:23pm
Not on Sharia Law, she didn't. She diminishes good argument when she professes to know something she hasn't a clue on. Tj, put yourself in the place of that "young lady" and you'd be whistling another tune.
tj
15th Feb 2017
12:48pm
Paulo have read some of your replies (never original posts it seems) looks to me you just follow the peoples views here just to rebuke them whether you make sense or not .Trying to get my head around the one about ''in her place I would have to whistle'' My friend lay London to a brick she will do alright probably some how on the tax payers teat ,but good luck to her. Maybe you need to lighten up have a bex and lie down
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
12:52pm
I am no more surprised when people attack something they don't first read up on it. I would have thought that being a politician that would be the first thing one would do if only to make sure you are not shot in the foot.

But politicians seem to do this all the time. I am amazed when watching question time a question is asked by the opposition and then get shot down by that opposition doing the same thing in the past.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:55pm
The Islamist or 'Arab Spring' concept envisages Islam as a 'nation without borders' much in the same way as Catholicism is, in a much more limited sense, a 'nation without borders'.

The difference is that the Pope's crew restrict that exclusively to religious tenets and not secular ones, in which regard the Catholic is only required to abide by conscience, whereas the Islamists are entitled and pushed to changing the countries they are in to suit Islamism.

That is why nearly secular governments such as Egypt execute Islamists.....

(ah - the joys of studying terrorism and counter-terrorism)....
tj
15th Feb 2017
1:07pm
Agree Wstaton .I am a tragic that watches the comedy hour on ABC have seen so many in question time lead with their chin .Think here Lambie has scored brownie points even if she is not an inman scholar tapping into the current attitudes of the people .When it comes to the word Sharia I think people who defend it are hard pressed to change most peoples views,especially with some people just trolling on here .Wont mention any names
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
12:17pm
It's a shame that so many organisations these days have hooked on to the coat tails of Medicins Sans Frontieres, that group which donates its time and expertise to all equally, and are using the same title byte to give their organisation the same level of kudos.
ozqueen
15th Feb 2017
12:26pm
I think the main problem at the moment is that every time someone wants to argue against immigration they are labelled a racist - as if that label negates any arguments they might have. The majority of people arguing against Moslem immigration aren't against Middle Eastern refugees only the religion that most of them follow. If those same people were to say they were against German immigrants who were proclaimed Nazis no one would accuse them of racism.
I don't want to contribute money, no matter how small the amount, to a religion I do not believe in. That's what I'm doing (regardless of what the food industry says so) every time I buy foods like Vegemite.
I do not want to feel uncomfortable walking the streets of the country I was born in because as a woman I don't follow the dress code of some medieval religion.
I think what I'm most afraid of is the fact that our government can't guarantee the people they are allowing to immigrate are bona fide refugees. It's bit late after a catastrophe to say "we got it wrong". Look at Europe!
Most Arab countries have chosen not to accept refugees due to fear of terrorism. Why should we be any less fearful?
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:35pm
You must be spinning around like a whirling Dervisher every time you leave the house, ozqueen. I'm glad I don't suffer from your prejudices or fears. Most of what you eat is owned by foreign interests and we've been killing sheep & cattle by Halal & Kosher rules for centuries as long as we don't taint it with pork. Every time you eat wheat bix you contribute to a foreign religious group.
ozqueen
15th Feb 2017
1:07pm
Paulodapotter
As I said every time someone poses an argument they are accused of racism or prejudice - typical!!
You really need to educate yourself.
Being a male you probably don't have to walk past groups of obviously Moslem men in the street. Either that or you don't live in a major city!
Most of what I eat is made in Australia by Australian companies, and no we haven't been killing sheep and cattle for centuries according to Halal and Kosher rules. Most of our abattoirs have been killing pork along side all the others up until recently. My family have worked in the meat industry for generations so you really shouldn't believe everything you read on Google.
Kosher meat was killed by private abattoirs. Meat for the Moslem market was exported live - that's what the live export of animals was all about.
By the way I don't eat weetbix - cereals are not the healthiest way to start the day which if you'd done the research you'd already know!
Gra
15th Feb 2017
3:09pm
Ozqueen you don't really expect Paulo to do any research do you? He's too busy denigrating anyone and everyone who doesn't follow his view. Perhaps he should change his name to Paulodapotty. He's fullm of it.
Dee
15th Feb 2017
12:31pm
John I think you are right. The logic of the anti Muslim argument is wrong.I don't hear Muslims crying god the banning of Christians in Australia. They would have a good argument. Christian men obviously are a sexual danger to children. There is good and bad everywhere, unfortunately dogged adherence to any religion seems to breed hatred and cruelty.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
2:03pm
Oh boy! The Royal Commission into sexual abuse in the Catholic Church should have extended to the Indigenous and Islamic communities as well.
You may have a broader perspective than just on Christian men.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:07pm
No -0 the Muslim concept is to slowly intrude their values onto another society.

SOME men abuse children etc - not Christian men as such (get your terms right).

Your last sentence is correct, though.

30%....
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
12:31pm
So sad how ignorant so many people are and how proud they are of their ignorance and xenophobia.
There is a difference between culture and religion - many of the practices commented on are cultural and specific to certain countries and have little to do with religion even when they are conducted under the guise of that religion.
Islam is also not one religion just as Christianity is also not one religion.
Labelling people and generalising that all people who follow an Islamic religion are violent, evil, will not assimilate, want to ruin Australian culture, wipe out none believers and are unworthy of a place in Australian society is not only ignorant or stupid at best and at worst extremely racist and deliberately hateful but supports the very thing that fundamentalist groups like Isis are trying to do - create hatred, distrust and paranoia between Muslim people and non Muslims.
The vast majority of the people who have been killed, tortured, raped, lost their homes, their children and their complete way of life due to terrorism and war blasphemously cited in the name of Islam are actually Islamic.
But spoilt, pampered, isolated and ill informed Aussies are happy to let innocent people and their children suffer endlesslessly rather than share a little of the "lucky" country.
Shame on you - if many of you so called Christians are right and their is a heaven I think you might find yourselves in the other place.
Good on on you Australia put another snag on the barbie so long as it's not halal certified....actually you would n't know the difference.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:50pm
I love your comments, ccfandango. Hear! Hear!
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:07pm
Yes, the culture slowly alters the landscape - the religion follows.
Sundays
15th Feb 2017
12:32pm
I come from a multicultural background. My parents wanted a better life, and worked hard to achieve it. There are lots of inspiring stories of Muslim immigrants who make a valuable contribution to our society. Sharia law is a different thing, not just being able to pray 5 times a day. What would Ms Abdul-Magdied have to say in support of her Muslim sisters who are severely disadvantaged in divorce, and child custody arrangements under Sharia Law. In a country like Saudi Arabia she wouldn't be able to drive, or have the job she has.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:40pm
Again, if we followed the Old Testament to its core beliefs, you wouldn't like it much. Moderate Islam is not tied to the fundamental beliefs of the Koran which outlines Sharia Law. Sharia Law is not practiced fundamentally here or in Indonesia which is the largest Moslem country in the world. You need to educate yourself more by leaving out your fundamental beliefs in your own interpretation of Sharia Law - that's if you know what Sharia Law really is, which I doubt.
Sundays
15th Feb 2017
12:55pm
Well that's just not true Paulopott. It is practised in Australia which is why there is a push to ban it. As I said, lots of true stories of Muslim women living in Australia who are disadvantaged in property and child custody arrangements by the Imams. You're entitled to your views which you've hammered to death today, but do it with eyes open.
Pablo
15th Feb 2017
1:34pm
Paulopotter, what gives YOU the right to decide whether Sundays know what sharia law is?? I think he has a very good take on what sharia law is, it also entails FGM (as a woman that I assume you are would be against), separation of males and females, hiding the head or face of the women and so on and so forth.

You and that moslem ABC woman need to stop your lying.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:11pm
My ancestors fled Germany to evade persecution of Jews, the Irish left over the anti-Catholic Laws and the Famines, the Scots because otherwise they'd have starved slowly while under the thumb of the ruling clique.

Do try to keep separate the individual stories and stick with the general issues. Paulo - the culture slowly adapts the host country for Islam, then the religious control follows - pretty simple eh?
musicveg
15th Feb 2017
2:15pm
Sharia Law is practised and enforced in Aceh Indonesia. And they have religious police who seem to pick on young women and young couples mostly.
Dave R
15th Feb 2017
12:33pm
It amuses me when people who are critical of Islam are labelled racists.
Islam is a religion not a race of people therefore anyone opposing Islam can not by definition be a racist.
I myself oppose muslim immigration because IMO Islam is a very intolerant and exclusive set of beliefs, as are some other religions which I also have no time for.
In fact why anyone still feels a need to have an imaginary friend in the sky and follow any religion is a mystery to me. I certainly don't need it in my life.
Dave R.
Daz
15th Feb 2017
12:34pm
I lived in Qatar for 6 years. It is a strongly Muslim country. No one ever tried to convert me. It was the most peaceful overseas posting I have had in 16 yrs OS - no crime, no harassment, respect received as long as it was duly given. That muslims want to convert other Aussies to Islam is a fiction. Who would propagate such fiction?
And, why couldn't Jackie Lambie answer what Sharia Law is? Why would someone ignorant of what it, rail against it so vehemently? The answer can only be because she needs a scapegoat to get people excited. Shameful!
Halal food? Lots of religions insist that their animals be killed in certain ways and, amongst other requirements, halal requires animals not to suffer distress before they die. Does that sound like a terrorist religion?
I am for muslim refugee immigration as I know true muslims can be more peace loving than many others and I feel no threat.
musicveg
15th Feb 2017
2:17pm
Sounds to me you are male, if you were female in Qatar I think your experience would have been totally different.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
3:13pm
Halal certification is in our face on every shelf at the supermarket and is a complete extortion. Cutting an animals throught to bleed to death rather than stunning is indeed a cruel practice.
Have a good look around next time.
Daz
15th Feb 2017
10:56pm
Sounds to me MusicVeg like you are female and you like to think in generalisations. My female co-workers in Qatar were treated with great respect unless they brought shame on themselves through undue promiscuity. That would have to be an incident so public that it had to be dealt with. Didn't happen.
I think you might be trying to refer to the local muslim women. Mixed fortunes there - some very powerful, some forsaken but the point is, in Australia muslim women have the rights you and I have and any customs which do not follow our laws can be dealt with. No problem!
Regarding slitting animal throats, do you think our farmers waste a bullet on every sheep they kill for dinner? They do not! Just like the abattoir, they cut the throat and bleed the animal out. The difference with the abattoir is that the animal is stunned electrically first. Either way the animal should not know its fate else it panics, which produces chemicals and spoils the taste of the meat. No win there.
Abby
22nd Feb 2017
9:27am
It is interesting that Qatar is one of the wealthiest Muslim countries in the world yet no Muslim refugees.... why are all the Muslim refugees flooding to the Western World ?
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:34pm
From what I read - there are two distinct sides to this question. One side says that not only does a Muslim have no obligation to abide by the laws of a country they live in if it conflicts with religious law (there are seven distinct schools of that in Islam), but it is also perfectly right to LIE to the Infidel to get your way.

the other side is as that young lass said - it is a 'cultural thing and not a religious thing.

However - be it cultural or religious, at the ed of the day there is little to no difference.

The other aspect of this problem is simply that a degree of lawlessness and frontier mentality abides with many ME Muslims - for simple reason of survival in their turd factory over there. Thus we see a ready acceptance of outright crime and of 'white collar crime' such as social security rorting and shonky business dealings.

To them it's just business as usual, and catch as catch can.

Not all Muslims are like that, and many ARE 'moderate' and pretty secular - but the underlying differences between an open West and a closed East are, in my eyes, too big to hurdle.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:55pm
Just like it's okay for a JW to lie to anyone outside the fold. After all the rest are not chosen and will roast in hell! Trebor, you speak with forked tongue - lying is not mutually exclusive.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
12:58pm
I don't give a hoot about JWs...and know even less about them, and they are such an insignificant group that they are essentially meaningless her - certainly they don't plot jihad.

Your argument is showing its weakness when you start calling people with a different view liars. Try sticking to the discussion points if that's not beyond you.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:15pm
Again - the joys of having studied Islamism amongst other things.... I may not know it all, but I do know some, and I thought my comment was very fair to both views, but pointed out that the end result is the same.

Why does NSWPF have Middle East Organised Crime Squad? Because all those unemployed La'emba youths and men out there with guns and drugs and turf wars are law-abiding citizens? Why is there a prevalence of social security fraud amongst 'entitled' Muslims.. why do we have shonky business people such as Slim Mehajer?

It's an ME thing - I didn't say it applied to all Muslims, Paulo.
jackie
15th Feb 2017
12:37pm
I will not tolerate any religion imposing its man made belief system on me. All religions are nothing but business, that should be paying tax and all religious fanatics are hypocrites. I agree with Lambie no religious law should become national law. Go back to your war torn countries that have been fighting for thousands of years over your peaceful religion.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:44pm
Who on earth is going to do that? Their poor old war torn countries have been torn up by us in the belief that if we tear up theirs, they won't have the strength to tear up ours. We're in for a shock. Again, if we followed the Old Testament to its core beliefs, you wouldn't like it much. Moderate Islam is not tied to the fundamental beliefs of the Koran which outlines Sharia Law. Sharia Law is not practiced fundamentally here or in Indonesia which is the largest Moslem country in the world. You need to educate yourself more by leaving out your fundamental beliefs in your own interpretation of Sharia Law - that's if you know what Sharia Law really is, which I doubt.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:05pm
Paulo - they tore theirs up before we ever got there.
Rae
15th Feb 2017
3:14pm
Wrong Paulopotter. The civil wars and religious wars have been going on since 661 AD. A lot of the current wars are over land and water. The last forests were destroyed to build war machines centuries ago.

The US and her Allies should never have interfered in the ME civil wars I agree. The immigration bans should have been imposed back then and let them sort out their own messes.

Britain has a lot to answer for as well for the nonsense created after WW11 but there was tribal, religious and civil wars long before then anyway.

I've lived in the ME and fitted in by dressing conservatively and obeying the rules. As a woman I had to be careful.

There is definitely a sexist attitude and a superiority complex that can be annoying at times.

As for Sharia it isn't compatible with our no fault divorce, child protection laws or anti discrimination laws. Not to mention lack of capital punishment. That's the big one. We are not going to bring back hangings.

I suggest you read One Thousand and One Nights. It is very indicative of the cultural beliefs and practises of the ME.

The culture of Asia is different and thus the religion has developed in a different way there. Still with some Sharia aspects though. The Death Penalty applies.
fedup
15th Feb 2017
12:38pm
Anybody that comes to this country and has no intention of assimilating has no place here. One law for all no other law should be implemented to fit any minority race. I don't have any problem with any immigrants who want to be here the only thing that irks me is the burqa it should not be allowed I find it very confronting, the head gear doesn't worry me as long as I can see a face. If you break our laws or rules you should be deported.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:41pm
Then it's a wonder you're still here. I defy you to say, you haven't broken the law ever in this country.
Dave R
15th Feb 2017
12:54pm
Living in FNQ I have only ever come face to face with someone in a burka once. It was threatening to have this large black shape appear in front of me and I wondered what might be under it as it could have been a full on male terrorist for all you could tell.
I hope these sort of people stick to the cities down south and stay away from NQ as even to be wearing such an outfit in tropical heat is lunacy.
Dave R.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
12:58pm
Look out for Crocs wearing burkas, Dave. You'd be in real trouble then. You must be terrified of the local indigenous population then every time a large black shape appeared in from of you.
Old Man
15th Feb 2017
1:02pm
I am not against Muslims or any other religion for that matter. I am against those who wish to come to our country and change it to resemble the country from which they have fled. I am against Sharia law, halal and those who preach against our way of life. I don't agree with those who wish to remain seated in our courts and those who refuse to uncover their face when required to by Australian law. Sure, some of those I am against are of the Muslim faith but I refuse to denigrate all Muslims because of the very few.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:09pm
Again, if we followed the Old Testament to its core beliefs, you wouldn't like it much. Moderate Islam is not tied to the fundamental beliefs of the Koran which outlines Sharia Law. Sharia Law is not practiced fundamentally here or in Indonesia which is the largest Moslem country in the world. You need to educate yourself more by leaving out your fundamental beliefs in your own interpretation of Sharia Law - that's if you know what Sharia Law really is, which I doubt. By the way, we've been eating Halal and Kosher for hundreds of years so you'd better stop eating lamb and beef. Certification is merely an assurance the meat hasn't come in contact with pork.
Old Man
15th Feb 2017
3:39pm
Thank you Paulodapotter, it seems that we disagree on the definition of halal. When I grew up in a country town, our butcher didn’t kill the animals we ate in the name of Allah. Halal means that food has been subjected to approved certification systems which guarantee to consumers that nothing in the food has any forbidden components. Food can be forbidden in Islam if it includes:
• blood
• alcohol
• meat or any products from a forbidden animal, including pigs and any carnivorous animals or birds of prey
• meat or any products of an animal which has not been slaughtered in the correct manner in the name of Allah
Under Islamic law it is permissible to consume items that would otherwise be termed non halal so long as it is a matter of survival and not just an act of disobedience.
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
1:02pm
Why is it that those whose opinion is that we should cease Muslim immigration be branded a bigot, Islamophobic etc and be the subject of name calling but those with a pro Muslim immigration opinion seem to exhibit a 'holier than thou' attitude. Reading the posts already on here clearly shows that the name calling and denigration of the persons who have posted has come has come from those who hold pro Muslim immigration opinions.
Just let me say to the pro Muslim immigration opinion holders, to stoop to name calling and denigrating anybody whose opinion is somewhat different to their own will never win anybody over, in fact it tends to make people more steadfast in the beliefs they hold.
Dave R
15th Feb 2017
1:09pm
The holier than thou posts are nearly all from one poster Paulodapotter. He might be just pot stirring, if not then he needs to come down from his ivory tower and get some experience of the real world coz he sure needs it.
Dave R.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:12pm
Isn't it obvious? I don't know of anyone that's pro Moslem. I think those that are not against Moslem immigration are against discrimination. You aren't. That makes you a bigot by definition. Do you understand this?
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:13pm
I'm an atheist, Dave. That make you holier than me, I think. :)
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:04pm
Your arguments are full of holes anyway.... but let's not get personal (ROFL)....
Needy not Greedy
15th Feb 2017
1:11pm
The fact that almost half the population supports a ban on Muslim immigration is quite spectacular in itself, I think most would agree that in most races and religions there is going to be good and bad, but in the past the 'baddies' have resorted to criminal activities, not good for the country or the police but manageable in most cases, I do feel for the proportion of Muslims that were and are fleeing countries to make a better life for themselves and children,but unfortunately a proportion of their number ( the US is saying 9%) have other ideals, they want to bring the terror and hatred, they have supposedly left behind, with them, I like a lot of others am totally disappointed with the Muslim leadership in Australia, they have had the ability to turn this situation around for years and have done little, some would therefore logically assume that a few high ranking leaders condone the terrorist acts that have occurred, they need to diffuse this situation quickly, a good start would be to put the word out to their people to get rid of those bloody burkas, they must be a mongrel to wear in this hot weather anyway, one of their leaders has stated there is nothing in their religeon saying they have to be worn, much better if they make that decision themselves rather that wait for the ban that will happen, it would be a small step but one in the right direction, maybe swap them for a nice sun hat, I am sure Pauline would supply some One Nation hats quick smart!
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:17pm
9% is a bit high, don't you think? We've only had one mad terrorist that migrated to this country and he didn't have any connection to a terrorist organisation. Don't join the fearmongers. You'll just look silly like Pauline.
Needy not Greedy
15th Feb 2017
1:23pm
Holy shit Potty, your pretty dumb if you think that's the end of it, your not counting all the ones that our federal police and security have prevented? Dumb prick!
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
2:55pm
*you're (=you are).
jack
15th Feb 2017
1:14pm
Totally agree mogo51.
Charlie
15th Feb 2017
1:19pm
I don't think its a matter of fearing them because they are different. Its because there is a sinister side to Muslim religion that supports the killing of Christians and allows religious beliefs to take precedence over Australian law.

Until they sort out, who they are and what they stand for, they are a risk to our law and order.

Also aboriginal activist groups are easily influenced by Muslims because they also have dark skin and there is a perception that they are brothers. Not likely at all.

Social media like face book is full of hate mail from the flag burners, monument destroyers, Australia day wingers, and Captain Cook haters who want history rewritten for them. They sit on their arses with their heaters, washing machines, air conditioning, refrigerators, television, computers and claim that civilization has done terrible things to them, but how many would trade it for the pre colonial life of stone tools, grass huts, and unreliable food supply.

I cant help feel that some of this anti white colonialism that's starting to come from the aboriginal activist group, is driven by refugee supporters who expect Australia to go open house on refugees.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:05pm
I think you forgot to take your medication Charlie. Most of the hate on Australian Facebook sites is very much the other way anti Muslim, anti Aboriginal and very much pro white. Just checkout the anti halal lunatics.

How racist is your comment "...because they also have dark skin...."
Not only racist but untrue - have you heard of Albania or Bosnia both Muslim countries neither of which have a predominantly dark skinned population.

Any anti white colonialism you perceive from Aboriginal groups is driven by the way predominantly white colonials have treated them for generations - your attitude looks like it has n't changed much since the early 1800s.
Charlie
15th Feb 2017
6:27pm
Listen fandango don't go crying racism every time somebody mentions dark skin. Aboriginals do notice the colour of a persons skin and think about what race they belong to. If you want to play word games we can say culture, but the meaning is the same. To mention the colour of a persons skin is not racist. It is one of the ways police identify people

And this stupid attitude about "the whites Made me like this" bullshit! Its just another way of avoiding personal responsibility. Get a life. grow up, Take responsibility for what you do. You cant change the truth of what I have said, by reversing it.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
9:09pm
Your welcome to keep your alternative facts Charlie - I have a very good life and am well and truly grown up and have a true appreciation of the value of other people's cultures - sad for you you don't Charlie. Perhaps, as I have, go spend some time with an aboriginal elder in the Kimberly trying to save the lives of disenfranchised young aboriginal boys who suicide at a an alarming rate and then tell me it's all bullshit. You are very sad Charlie. Good night and I hope your life improves.
micreen
15th Feb 2017
1:22pm
agree with Mogo 150%. If people proclaim to be Muslim, I believe this is an idelology not a religion and has no place in this country, look what is hapening in France, Sweden and spreading throughout Europe, Unless we stop acting in denial, this is the way Australia will go. There are plenty of countries in this world that operate this Muslim way, it is unusual that some have not and will not take people from the refugee pool.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:26pm
Watch out, the bogey man will get you, Micreen.
Tarzan
15th Feb 2017
1:26pm
Paulo, you have little support on this site, I suggest you stick to the A.B.C. with the rest of the non Australian Lefties
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:28pm
You are quite right. Tarzan. I do have little support on this site. However, the result is, I feel better and better about myself. So I have to thank you for that.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:17pm
Don't blame the ABC - they did put Lambie there..... fair reporting if you ask me - let all views be aired for a change instead of this slagging of anyone who disagrees with the approved line on any social issue.
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
1:27pm
pauladapotter, you are throwing the word bigot around and referring to the definition of the word. I suggest that you just check the Oxford Dictionary which defines bigot as 'Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself' Maybe you should check a dictionary before using words and terms you do not understand.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:30pm
It's also defined as: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance (Miriam-Webster)
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:31pm
It's very easy to select definitions that suits our own bigotry :)
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:33pm
You see, I'm bigotted against bigots and fundamentally opposed to fundamentalism
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:17pm
You are correct in every statement, Paulo - but you fail to understand what you are saying.

Round out your thinking.
Wags
15th Feb 2017
1:31pm
Reading the bigotry and hatred of Muslims in these comments is so depressing for the future of our country. I would urge everyone on here to read some facts and figures about this and any other topic before putting such de-humanising comments in a post – even if those facts, figures and comments are not in agreement with what you currently believe. No matter what any person’s race, religion, colour, work status, address, they are all PEOPLE. Remember that wise old phrase – ‘there but for the grace of god go I’? Just for once, put yourself in the shoes of an ordinary everyday citizen of Syria governed by a murderous regime, being either starved or bombed by that regime, wanting to find a safe place for you and your family, and after putting everything you own in to finding that safe refuge in Australia, then reading all the disgusting ill-informed crap in here about YOU and your religion or culture. If you think we have problems here in this wealthy country, put your pent up energy in to genuinely helping those unfortunate Australians by either going out on the streets and helping them, or donate some money to some good causes, instead of vehemently and ignorantly criticising something that you haven’t informed yourself enough about.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:34pm
Thanks Wags - another lonely voice of reason :)
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:20pm
I donate to the refugee camps for Syrians... I'm the first to welcome anyone on our shores who is a good citizen - but I think the overall issues need to be discussed openly and fairly.

Stop mistaking discussion of issues based on statements and writings of certain Muslims with hatred of them all. that is a facile way of avoiding discussion, and if I want that kind of rubbish I only need to discuss the non-event of gay marriage or similar.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:20pm
I've also advised Iranians how to get refugee status and get out.... thank you for coming.
Needy not Greedy
15th Feb 2017
1:33pm
If your really a potter Paulo, go out the shed and knock yourself up a black pot with a slit in it, stick it on your head and just pretend the Bali bombings and all the other atrocities didn't happen.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:35pm
Boy, have you slipped off topic!
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:40pm
How many of us lost their lives in terrorist attacks? How many innocents have we slaughtered in response? How many of them have been slaughtered by their own? Where does this lie in the issue of bigotry? Peoples lack of understanding of what's going on around them is so frustrating. Anthropology should be 'must' subject in all levels of education.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:22pm
Does that include the Bali Bombings? How many were your immediate family, Paulo?

It isn't the number that counts - it is the principle that while ever some in that group carry on like pork chops, there is no option but to stay away from them or control them for reasons of personal safety.

Go walk the streets of Campsie some time, Paulo. You need some fresh air.....
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
1:38pm
Paulodapotter. There is a very apt saying for those who cannot see two sides of this immigration debate. THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SEE
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:44pm
That's a great saying and it's not mutually exclusive. There is no debate on immigration going on here, but there is a debate going on about discrimination, or is this too difficult for you to comprehend? When you select a minority group to exclude from migration, it is a discrimination issue. Now, if you are against all immigration or for immigration, limited or otherwise, that would be a debate on immigration.
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
1:54pm
Klu Klux Klan members or affiliates are not only barred from immigrating to Australia, they are even banned from visiting Australia. Rightly so and your argument that excluding minority groups from immigration is discrimination really doesn't stack up.
KSS
15th Feb 2017
1:40pm
Another article designed to provoke mainly negative reactions and the predictable pronouncements and insults by the usual suspects!

Prior to the rise of ISIL/ISIS, people following Islam in Australia hardly caused a ripple. They were mostly law abiding residents/citizens who went about their business like everyone else. Even the women in their niqabs, burkas, chadors and hijabs were nothing but a curiosity. They lived in close proximity to each other which is not unusual for migrant groups since it provides support and familiarity for new arrivals.

Then came the rise of terrorism. And with it the yells of 'Allahu Akbar' (they do not shout "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost") that preceded each violent criminal act. And each violent act was worse than the one before: recorded beheadings, stabbings, shooting down of planes, kidnappings and hostage taking etc At that point whilst 'the West' were soundly condemning the terrorists and their actions, the local Moslem communities (round the world) were not. They were justifying the murders, rapes, kidnappings, hostage taking and so on and blaming the victims i.e. The West, Christians, other Moslem groups not aligned to the ISIS idealism. In Australia, the Moslem leaders were so busy blaming Australia, the Government, non-Moslem Australians, 'uncovered women' and defending Islam and the Koran that all humanity was lost. Had the Community leaders and then the Moslem community itself roundly condemned the atrocities occurring in places such as New York, London, Paris, Bali, Sydney, Parramatta, I suspect the rest of Australia may have reacted differently. The more sophisticated ISIL idealists became with their use of the media and social media to promulgate their craven ideology, the more the gruesome images were thrust into our lounge-rooms and onto our streets in violent demonstrations that featured Moslem children waving appalling placards denouncing all non-Moslems. The lack of outright condemnation of terrorism by the Moslem community fostered the growing distrust and yes FEAR among non-Moslems. Fear of retribution caused non-Moslem governments round the world, including our own, to do everything they could to disconnect the growing crisis from Islam so we got the ridiculous reporting that claimed the Lindt Cafe seige and the stabbing of Mr Cheng in Parramatta were politically motivated not terrorism! Understandable when you are threatened with bombings and public decapitation by zealots if you disagree!

Yes most Moslems are not terrorists, but unfortunately for them, most terrorists are Moslems. Any wonder then why the divide between Moslems and non-Moslems began to widen. Add to that the subsequent arrival of significant numbers of people from Islamic countries all over Europe and the rest of the world (many who were not who they said they were) with the resultant increase in serious crime from the immigrant groups and it is not surprising there is now antagonism against ALL Moslems. I don't say its right but it is understandable.

Just one point more: when you become an Australian citizen you take an oath:

"From this time forward,(under God), I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey."

If anyone does not abide by that promise, they have no right to be in Australia and should have their citizenship rescinded and then be deported.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:50pm
You quote a lot of stuff about what Moslems are doing to Moslems overseas KSS. The rest is the usual bigotry inspired rubbish. During the "troubles" it was Irish terrorism. During Vietnam it was 'reds under the beds'. We've run out of old enemies so we need a new one to group us together around the smelly turd we have created.
If we stopped doing that, we might develop a cohesive society and not a disgusting divisive one.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:24pm
So shooting Curtis Cheng wasn't a religious based issue by some indoctrinated young fool bent on some idiotic notion of jihad?

OK....... it's a good thing he got his just desserts and we don't have to feed him for life. Went down in one when confronted by an adult with an equal weapon.
Sundays
15th Feb 2017
2:50pm
Well put KSS. Paulodapott is the worst type of zealot. They are right, regardless of any facts that you may show them. In fact, I think he is the bigot ie intolerant to those who hold different opinions to their own.
KSS
15th Feb 2017
4:11pm
I didn't say the killing of Mr Cheng wasn't a religious based issue at all Trebor, only that it was REPORTED as something it wasn't.

The ABC have become masters of the art of denying any Moslem involvement in these atrocities. In the same way as the international press went to great lengths to ignore the Moslem connection of the perpetrators of the public slaying of the soldier on the streets of London and this despite the killers' very loud public declarations otherwise. The Australian public doesn't buy it, and that is why the divide has widened and mistrust has grown.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:06pm
Ah - fair enough K... my apologies.
RoadRunnerOz
15th Feb 2017
1:45pm
I am neither for or against Muslim immigration but here's my experience.
All the Muslims I know are armchair Muslims, basically non practicing like a typical Catholic that attends mass on Christmas & Easter.
1 - One of my workmates, a female, is some sort of Muslim leader and is a supporter of Sharia in Australia and is active in teaching other Muslim women to get on board.
2 - A close friend's family was threatened by another Muslim man because she was seen associating with my family. After that our relationship "cooled" and the woman started wearing a head scarf in public out of fear. She said she feared for her live and it would be better if we were not seen in public together. She says the problem is a minority that force their radical view on others. They actually spy on each other. She also says she can't understand why the government lets radical Clerics some to Aus. to give hateful speeches. Many speeches are aimed at woman who are then supposed to go home to influence their sons and husbands.
PS: She also says just because a Muslim smiles and is nice to you to your face doesn't means they are not cursing you as an infidel behind your back.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:51pm
Yeh my Mum used to say that about Roman Catholics.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:07pm
My father's family are Anglican and my mother's Catholic... Orange and The Green..... never worries me when I meet up with rellies, but it was a big deal in those days.
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
1:46pm
We should not discriminate on the basis of religion nor race nor ethnicity. Other religions, races and ethnic groups have added so much to Australia over the decades.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:52pm
God on yer Rod!
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
2:50pm
Curried prawns, Tom Yum Goong, spaghetti, fine seafood, yeeros, Korean Hot Pot (crab), Tempura prawn/fish etc......... jihad.......
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:46am
Rod the group in question will add so much more.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:39am
They certainly add a new dimension to social interaction, political discussion, policing and jurisprudence, societal norms such as marriage and responsibility for children, social security, and law and order......... not to mention women's rights and the right of others to walk the streets and hold their own beliefs without hindrance.

If there's anything I've missed, ask the other 80% of the Australian people......
Muzza
15th Feb 2017
1:51pm
....IF DONALD TRUMP IS UNABLE TO IMPLEMENT HIS POLICIES DURING HIS TERM IN OFFICE ? (AUSTRALIA TAKE NOTE ! ! ! ).





Wherever you stand politiclly, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare you!





We know Dick Lamm as Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration over-population conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book,'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges ofThe American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America .


The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, 'If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'





'Here is how they do it,' Lamm said:





'First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country... History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium, Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.'





Lamm went on:


'Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.





'Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec'without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'





'Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'





'My fifth point for destroying America would be toget big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology...' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority.'





'My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.'


'Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity'. I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.'





In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, 'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.'

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'


Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.



The same goes for the AUSTRALIAN DREAM.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:54pm
What an amazing unsubstantiated peice of nonsense and you went to so much trouble.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
1:59pm
Spellbound were they? Stunned more likely.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:07pm
Here's a prediction. The US is diminishing world power and as they go down, they will drag their mates down with them. In this I would warn Australia beware! Ever since, 9/11 leading to the Global Financial meltdown, the US is on the road to self destruction. They owe so much money overseas, after their disastrous conflicts, they haven't a hope in hell of recovering, just like the Brits after WWII. Once you look at things anthropolically, you can clearly see what's in store. Strength is in sticking together and people on this site are encouraging divisiveness. You do that at your and your children's own peril. That's the lesson of history, not that garbage we heard from Lamm. He's merely a symptom of the sinking of the USS SuperPower.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
2:10pm
Well, talking about hegemony I think they already have it with 1% of the population owning 90% of the wealth.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:30pm
And here's another prediction - the US has allowed itself to lapse due to offshoring its industrial base, which made it strong, to Asia, and the Asians are now kicking in the traces.

I predict another world war over trade etc, and China will not win.

It's hilarious to see, in this phase of The Second Hundred Year's War over control of trade in the Asian Pacific Basin, that Japan is now very like The Philippines were prior to WWII... looking over their shoulder at the bellicose neighbour kicking in the traces... and now a strong ally of the United States instead of its competition for the APB.

My WWIV series covers this situation to some extent, but I need time to continue to develop the series, time I do not currently have.
Jacqui
15th Feb 2017
2:10pm
Just look at what is happening in Europe. Europe is lost to Islam.
take a look at what is happening to Canada…Muslims are campaigning the Parliament
to introduce blocking 'Freedom Of Speech' so the poor Canadians will be unable to complain about the rapes bombings female mutilation and other heinous barbaric acts conducted by this so called peaceful Muslim cult. wake up…they are here to ultimately take over the western countries. They have the time and will suck on our social welfare while they plot
against us using our weak laws to their advantage.
'Cradle To Grave Muslim Retirement Fund'
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:12pm
Unsubstantiated rubbish. You get your material from right wing fanatics that place absolute nonsense on the internet. You need to read more widely.
Rainey
15th Feb 2017
3:18pm
Not unsubstantiated rubbish at all, Paulodapotter. You need to educate yourself, before you and people like you destroy this country completely.
Retired Knowall
28th Feb 2017
6:52pm
I've been to Canada 4 times in the last 5 years, both east and west coast. Not once did I see any evidence of the rubbish posted here.
Rosret
15th Feb 2017
2:11pm
Actually I am angry at Q & A. They deliberately planned to divide people just for entertainment.
The show does this all the time. On one side you have a head strong Muslim woman who obviously does not have the same constraints of many of her female counterparts waving the same flag and a politician who has a lot to learn and yet her concerns are resonated by many in the community.
Heaven forbid that Q &A put on two well spoken people with moderate personalities from both sides of the debate. There is an in between. We are not America so please don't polarise the population.
The Compere did not stop Yassim from continual shouting down Jacqui and whether you agree with her or not she should be allowed to finish her sentences.
Yassim point blank lied to us about Sharia Law - however this seems to be a constant in the media at the moment. Just lie, look dominating - and you win the debate.
Ugh - Australia we are better than this.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:14pm
But that's the idea of a debate on TV. It can't be done any other way or it would be as boring as ..... They do it quite well and they should be congratulated. It's we who are the problem. We forget it's showbusiness and "there's nothing like show business ...." So you know the song?
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:16pm
Rosret, you don't know any more than Jacqui on Sharia Law - your slip is showing. I thought Jacqui got ample time to shout everyone down. It was good fun!
Rosret
15th Feb 2017
2:27pm
Sorry Paulopotter I don't have to know Sharia Law anymore than I have to know Catholic doctrine. I know what is happening to women and men in the middle east and I am over people who use school yard comments like, "You don't know ...and I am going to keep it a secret so you still don't know."
Jacqui had a concern. She did not attack Yassim's beliefs but rather she put forward the concerns of many Australians. ie Welfare, concern for the face coverings and the under current of fundamentalist Sharia Law.
Please don't use demeaning female comments when you address my comments on line. You insult yourself.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
2:36pm
Paulodapotter,

Want to watch more show business? Go watch question time on ABC24.
HKW
28th Feb 2017
7:15pm
This Muslim woman is of a difference race and that makes the difference.
Her manner is a lot more arrogant and aggressive, which is typical of her race.

The black community in the US of America commit a lot more ( In fact, unreported) violent crimes including women then Arab-Muslims.
robmur
15th Feb 2017
2:15pm
The Muslim way of life isn't just a religion, it is an ideology. I worked with Muslim teacher training students for over 10 years. These people were from Malaysia and Indonesia. Most of the women were OK, but the men were very difficult. It was always their way and never our way, so they thought. Some were in for a rude shock as we didn't bow and scrape to their intolerable demands. We informed them right from the beginning of each ten- month study program' it was always going to be our way and not their way. We respected their RELIGION but were not prepared to tolerate any of their other demands. "This is Australia and therefore you are required to follow the law of the land, not your law". They soon learnt to toe the line, but there was always a few men who weren't to keen to do what was required of them whilst in Australia. The Thai, Chinese, Solomon Islanders, South Koreans were never any trouble compared to those coming from Muslim countries.
Rosret
15th Feb 2017
2:20pm
I don't think Yassim would do as she was told very often. Quite the bully. NB There are women like her in all walks of life, she however should have been bought into line by the compere.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:23pm
Yeh, but I used to find the arrogant Poms worst of all. Your point is good though. People from other cultures will always have trouble adapting, but the pervading culture will always dominate so there's no need to be fearful that we'll be taken over from within. History shows, it always occurs from outside, usually when economic interests from inside a country are dominated by a country from outside. This is where Lamm in a previous blog lied through his teeth. Wars are fought over resources and money, not ideology or religion. That's just the way of controlling people to do the bidding of vested interests. If we stick together and refuse to have a civil way, we'll only have to worry about the influence of vested interests.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
2:26pm
You can all enjoy your bigotry without me. I've got work to do. I haven't the luxury of being an armchair critic.
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
3:05pm
Paulo, I hope you are not going down to a blue collar workers pub and whilst you might be able to hold forth there, if you started name calling like you have here, when you found yourself on the footpath and couldn't recall how you got there, the bottom part of your face would be in a different shape than when you went in.
Wstaton
15th Feb 2017
3:30pm
WOW! And we talk about Muslims wanting to be violent.
Idontforget
15th Feb 2017
4:31pm
Puss, Puss, Wstaton
VicCherikoff
15th Feb 2017
2:25pm
The following has been adapted from the Proposed National Population Policy of the Negative Population Group (npg.org). The principles provide insights into the issues in the story above and might be food for thought for more educated readers:

Human population in the past century has grown to four times the total growth from the origin of the species until 1900.

Coupled with sharply rising levels of resource consumption and economic activity in the more prosperous nations, that growth has imposed unprecedented strains on the ecological systems that support us and other living things. It has led in many parts of the world to rising unemployment, intensifying water shortages, increasing competition for resources, and the specter of hunger. It is affecting the world's climate, and the consequences -- rising sea levels, more powerful hurricanes, heat waves, and more intense floods and droughts -- are becoming apparent.

Population growth has depended on fossil fuels, which are running down. Future generations must depend increasingly on renewable energy, which is unlikely to be recoverable in amounts sufficient to support more than a fraction of current world populations.

Australian population has also quadrupled since 1900. Australia and the world are in a condition of overshoot.

NPG (negative population growth) is the ideal of a turnaround in Australia and world population growth until we approach less destructive and more tolerable levels, perhaps at numbers that were passed two or more generations ago.

We need to consider the we harm humans are inflicting on ourselves and our support systems and arrive at some rough idea of "optimum population" -- the human numbers that can live at a decent standard of living within the constraints of environmental sustainability.

We need to plan policies on migration and human fertility that would make it possible to come down to such numbers.

We must persuade our government at all levels, and other governments afflicted by population growth, to pursue such policies and dissuade them from the pursuit of policies and behavior that, intentionally or not, lead to population growth.

To those ends, we must promote concepts such as "the two-child family"; lowered rates of migration to Australia; and the development of conceptual systems such as the steady state economy. And we must consider the demographic implications of present and proposed policies and legislation.

Concepts such as sustainable development, continuous economic growth and debt-driven economies are outdated and are oxymorons. Our economies must be ecologically based, not economically driven.

Australians should feel no shame or guilt for the needed steep reductions in immigration. The nation historically has been the most generous receiver of immigrants in the world. Now Australia needs to be generous to the world in other ways, by curbing its profligate consumption and waste emission.

For Australia to continue population growth through mass immigration will mean greater income inequality, pandemic environmental malaise, increased competition for energy and other resources, and ever more regimentation. The end of the migration option in Australia will have a negligible effect on the population growth of the poor countries.

Women in traditional societies have tended to regard the number of their children as either a matter of fate or as of their husbands’ preference. In industrial societies, rights and opportunities for women, and the cost of rearing and educating children, generate strong incentives for lower fertility.

In Australia, fertility is presently the least important source of population growth. Fertility of the educated and prosperous is lower than for the poor and ill educated. Muslims are far above replacement level. That perhaps is associated with the recent arrival of many of them from high-fertility societies and with the very low work force participation rate of young Muslim women.

Fertility would not be a problem if they adopted the levels of the other groups, but this can only be accomplished through non-discriminatory policies. We must help the most fertile to become aware that high fertility has immense social consequences or, failing that, alter their personal calculation of the benefits and disadvantages of having many children.

Unlike migration, fertility in Australia is not determined by government policies, but governments can influence the decisions people make about having children.

The key is to persuade women to stop at two.

That would lead to a population turnaround in this century since some women have no children, or one. Already, more than 70 percent of Australian women stop at two, or before. The problem is to convince the others. Once the political climate creates a role for government, political leaders can play a major role in that effort.
It is an epochally important task if we are to maintain decent standards of living as we move from fossil fuels into renewable energy and from human labour to artificial intelligence and robotics which make humans redundant.

Various specific societal measures would help to discourage fertility above two children. 

Endorsement of the two-child family by political leaders. 

Education of parents and children in the immediate and long-term benefits of smaller families. 

Educational programs aimed at helping young women enter the work force with the job skills needed to make a decent living. 

Ensuring that birth control information and materials are universally available and which should include easy access to abortion using natural means. 

Advocacy of abstinence by government, social and religious groups, on practical and moral grounds as appropriate, to discourage teen pregnancies. 

The elimination of tax benefits for children beyond the second child. 

Priority in public housing programs for families with fewer than three children.

Experimentation with payments to young girls who avoid pregnancy. However, more Draconian methods have been tried in some countries, such as higher user fees for access to maternity care for women with several children, or priority access to good schools for small families, or limiting welfare payments to large families.

These are available if the measures above are insufficient, but a guiding rule should be not to disadvantage the child, once born, in an effort to dissuade the mother.

The terrorism we face today is in part a product of high fertility, unemployment and desperation in the Arab world. We cannot expect that a world divided between the prosperous and the desperate will be a peaceful one. That alone is sufficient reason to help poor countries to address their problems of overpopulation, of which most of their leaders are well aware. Beyond that, success in bringing birth rates down will mean more employment and better wages for the coming generations -- which will lessen the drive to migrate and thus eventually make our own immigration problems less serious.

We should stop playing domestic politics with our population assistance programs, and put them on a reliable and continuing footing. 

We need to change the priorities in our overseas aid programs to ensure that population programs abroad are funded at whatever level the recipient governments can effectively use. 

We should encourage changes that promote the status and self-esteem of women in less developed countries, which demonstrably leads to smaller families, healthier and better educated children, and an escape from the poverty that stalks the poor countries.

Taken together, the measures above are designed to gradually halt and then reverse both Australian and world population so that they can eventually be stabilized at a sustainable level. An estimate is that a sustainable population for Australia should not exceed 15 million and should probably not exceed two billion for the world.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
4:48pm
Don't doubt a single word. It would seem that we have pretty much blown it!
Rae
16th Feb 2017
8:16am
You have summed up the problem amazingly well.
Supernan
15th Feb 2017
2:28pm
I have employed Muslims & have never had them try to change anything. They wore normal Aussie clothes, came to our Christmas parties, & ate easter eggs. Plus attend their own mosques & celebrated their own feast days. When I congratulated them on their work ethic &
honesty they said our Sharia Law requires us to be like that. They also had kids who went to Aussie school, one had parents who owned a building firm & employed Aussies. They were buying homes, etc etc. and were model citizens. I just dont understand why there is so much hatred. None of our Clients would have known any of our staff were Muslin. I expect this happens so often most Ausies have no idea about what a normal Muslim is !
Rainey
15th Feb 2017
3:09pm
I could say the same, Supernan, except that I've read the Quoran and I know what it preaches, and I've heard the public declarations that Muslims must abide by it. I've heard the public demands that Sharia law be recognized. Have you read it in depth? Do you know, for example, that it commands men to beat their wives, and requires women to remain silent in circumstances where they NEED to be heard?

We are paying for Halal Certification that we DO NOT WANT. Our way of life is being threatened - no, not by all Muslims. Not by those you know personally. But can you give me a WRITTEN and ROCK SOLID guarantee that Muslims as a group will NEVER threaten our way of life? NO YOU CANNOT. So we err on the side of caution - as we had to during the war when we locked up Italians just for being Italian. Some were wonderful hard-working honest folk who did a lot for this nation - but we had to be careful, and if we are sensible, we'll be careful now. Bleeding hearts and do-gooders put us in danger.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
3:58pm
Interesting Rainey so you can read Arabic. Yes my Muslins friends tell me that the Quran cannot successfully be translated into English and to read it properly you must read it in the language it is written otherwise you get the wrong meaning. If you have read an English translation then no wonder you have it all wrong.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:01pm
OG,
Can you read Arabic or is what you're sprucking "hear say".
IF it is "Hear Say", should we consider it to be valid?????
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:19pm
Nope I can't read Arabic but my Muslins friends tell me that you need to learn Arabic to read it and understand it's true meaning. I have no interest in religion or any other religion myself so I have no interest in learning to read Arabic or any other language just to read religious documents.

Bible lost it's meaning about six translations ago. Makes a good story though.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:25pm
OG,
The Bible "loosing it's True Meanings" was on purpose in order to "Harness the Reigns of Power" for emperor Constantine at the Synod of 325AD.
Many other Potential Emperors have followed in his footsteps since and TWISTED the truth.

The above stated as - me personally - not being religious at all!
So, the statement of from an Observational perspective!
Rainey
16th Feb 2017
6:22pm
As usual, OG, you are ramble on with unsubstantiated CRAP based on what ''someone told you'' or what you CLAIM to have seen. No research. No investigation. No responsible consideration or debate. In other words, you have NOTHING TO SAY that is worth anyone hearing (or reading!).

Millions of Muslims don't speak Arabic, but they DO follow the Quoran, which HAS been translated, and the translated version is what they follow - and what is in the translated version threatens Australia.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
6:51pm
I agree with Rainey Old G. I think your Muslim friends think you are gullible.
Old Geezer
17th Feb 2017
12:35pm
No wonder we have big problems with religion in this country with people reading such rubbish.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:41am
What big problems with religion? Be specific now ..... (this could be a baited trap).....
Jacqui
15th Feb 2017
2:33pm
I recommend everyone sees 'Patriots Day' showing now.
Then follow up with the following:
'Judge Jeanine Pirro Slams Jihad Mom'
google
If your still not convinced google 'Sweden The Rape Capital Of Europe'
There is enormous information available also 'Stefan Molyneux' has some explosive truths
on the so called refugee invasion of Europe. The Muslims are deceiving the west!
Leebee
15th Feb 2017
3:03pm
Right on Jaqui, and sadly this country won't wake up till it's too late.
These Muslims sully everywhere they set foot, and have right throughout history.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
4:43pm
Jacqui, spot on. The only thing that I would clarify is that muslims are deceiving the leaders of the west, the people know full well what is actually happening.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:42am
I watched Patriot's Day - I'll watch it again.
floss
15th Feb 2017
2:37pm
Have a look at our jails and who run the major drug cartels in Australia.Wake up Australia before this once great country is truly stuffed.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
6:12pm
Lib/Lab/Greens the appeasement parties. They will not be happy until this country is destroyed.
floss
15th Feb 2017
3:03pm
Paulodapotter what do you do for a living you seem to spent all day putting poo on good well informed people get a life or a job.
Busker Pete
15th Feb 2017
3:04pm
I believe no-one should be banned for reasons of race, religion or country of origin. EVER. As a young child of refugees after WW2 I grew up to often hear taunts in the streets, on buses, at school etc. But guess what, political leadership meant I grew up in a country that embraced multiculturalism. That leadership is missing now, both in politicians and the press, who seek to create the hate that many muslims are fleeing. i, like the majority of Australians thankfully, refuse to generalise and hate.
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
3:17pm
Wellsaid Busker.
Rae
15th Feb 2017
3:57pm
I am sixth generation Irish/ Indigenous and I heard taunts too. They thought I was Greek. I got into so much trouble growing up in Inner city Sydney from Greek men who thought I was loose being out alone until I opened my mouth to put them right and a very broad Aussie accent came out.

Even the Aussies taunted each other. They still do. It is part of our culture. You don't like it tough.

Try joining a bunch of Aussies and not getting a nick name. They might call you busker, or pom or whatever but they will defend a mate. That's Aussie too.

We're allowed to have our culture too.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:07pm
None of really know our real heritage as when I was growing up as many as one in three kids didn't know who their real fathers were. Take that over the generations and who knows what the heritage of most of us is. We are only assuming as there was no DNA testing back in those days. If you were married and had a child your husband was just assumed to be the father. Some kids were so different to one another it sure had tongues gossiping.
Attila
18th Feb 2017
8:33pm
Hi Busker Pete.

Multiculturalism only works when everyone respects everyone and lives by the same rules and regulations. But back home in the UK you will find the 'native Englishman' is making the same complaints as we are hearing here. My husband calls me 'Black Irish' meaning I am a white person with black hair 'well it used to be' LOL probably from those left over from the Spanish Armada, grandfather was an Irish American. I know multiculturalism works if we are from a similar background, but I don't believe it can work unless the new immigrant is willing to accept whole heartedly the new culture and new values, which I don't believe the Sunnis would.
Patriot
18th Feb 2017
8:57pm
Ann,
If they are NOT WILLING to accept their new country's culture, they should NOT BE THERE!!!

P Off - Go Home.
Attila
19th Feb 2017
1:00am
Busker I think the world totally changed with 911.
Bush and Blair have contributed to that change also.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
3:35pm
Australia for Australians & Those who elect to obey it's laws!
Beeman
15th Feb 2017
3:41pm
The so called migration of Muslims should be called what it is - an invasion. A migrant tends to accept his/her new country. Muslims tend to want to change their chosen target to the same as they have just left.
There is serious doubt as to whether Islam is a religion or a political party It seems more like a version of communism with its dogmatic policies.
Beeman
15th Feb 2017
3:53pm
Perhaps it is time to reclassify all religions into what they really are - businesses. Pay the same taxes, rates etc as other forms of business and, like the age pensioners, have to use their own resources before getting government handouts.
Rae
15th Feb 2017
4:00pm
And ban church schools as in the same basket as apartheid.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:01pm
One religion is as bad as the next. Yes they should be taxed like any other business. Head honchos in 7 star hideaways in exotic places all at the expense of taxpayers. Time for them to pay tax and only have 3 star hideaways.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
4:05pm
OG,
For once, I agree with you.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:08pm
Religion should never be taught in schools full stop.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
4:22pm
Personally (as many others do) I find islam abhorrent, degrading, authoritarian, and it certainly has no place in OUR society in any form. A religion it is not by any stretch of the imagination. What disgust me even more is that far too many Western Governments not only are overly tolerant of Islam but actually indulge it. Why is this so? For me the answer is quite obvious, they want Islam to form the basis of our LAW with its ability to control its adherents in all aspects of their daily lives. Countries such as Sweden, Germany and France have virtually submitted ( islam means submission) to this ideology and forsaken their own people in the process. The article states that muslims account for around 2% of the Australian population. That may or may not be the case, the glaring fact is abundantly clear: that is the extraordinary coverage by the MSM and main political parties in Australia given to islam and its growing influence on our society. muslim immigration can easily be stopped, but the current bunch of leaders does not have the political will or even any intention to put an end to further muslim immigration. They will rue the day soon enough. It will be a long struggle but I am totally confident that we will overcome this "invasion" of marauders.

Say no to islam in Australia.
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:28pm
Haven't you yet realised that many minority groups today have a greater say than they should? I certainly have.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
4:32pm
OG and to which minority group do you belong?
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:36pm
The society of Old Geezers of cause. What else?
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
4:47pm
OG sums you up well.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:33pm
The empty vessel makes the most noise when beaten...
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
11:30pm
OG, time to fill your vessel.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
4:23pm
OMG!
Old Geezer
15th Feb 2017
4:29pm
Yes lots of narrow minded people here.
Ronin
15th Feb 2017
4:33pm
I am against 'Big Australia', which primarily benefits corporates and governments and does not improve the quality of life of Australian citizens, so I believe all immigration should be reduced.

Those immigrants we do take should primarily be from countries with western liberal values, so that they fit in with Australian culture (multiculturalism is a furphy). Those immigrants from other cultures should be radically reduced, and should have to explicitly accept and agree to the cultural norms of Australian culture, and to integrate. They should also be required to learn English within a set period, or face deportation.

As regards Islam. That religion has several tenets which are antithetical to western cultural values. Islam should be reformed and the pre-eminence of the laws of the nation over sharia law made explicit. Halaal and Kosher licensing should be undertaken by the state and all fees should flow to the state, not private individuals or companies.

Moderate Muslims could then be accepted as part of a much reduced immigrant flow, having explicitly agreed to Australian norms, plus integration, so no more Burqas on the streets of Australia. All immigrants involved in other than minor crime (speeding etc.) should be deported.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
5:35pm
Excellent analysis of an issue that can be made simple with simple measures rather than the complexities of doing nothing.
Pity our political system is becoming so dysfunctional that nothing is the norm.
floss
15th Feb 2017
4:49pm
Populate and perish, when hard to tell but it will happen.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:12pm
Yet muslims women on average have 6-8 children. The writing is on the wall.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
8:01pm
Rubbish -.an alternative fact hey niemakawa-. Muslim women may have on average 1 more child than non Muslim women in Europe and the difference lessens over generations as Muslim women assimilate - yes that's right ASSIMILATE.....but only if allowed to migrate in the first place.
Thai Traveller
15th Feb 2017
5:05pm
I was surprised to see on the ABC TV news last night, Muslim demonstrators in Jakarta stating that it was against their religion to vote for a non-Muslim in the upcoming Jakarta city elections.
Nothing to do with competence or suitability; 85% of the population are barred from voting for a candidate if he's not Muslim. Amazing.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:29pm
And this is what muslims want for Australia. Unfortunately the mainstream political parties agree.
World Prophet
15th Feb 2017
5:08pm
We have had, for many, many years, minor religions living amongst us (such as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Bahai, etc) and the main difference between these religions and Islam appears to me to be that virtually all of these religions have been respectful of the culture and beliefs of the majority of Australians (in other words of the Christian religions) and also of each other. Islam comes across as intolerant of other religions (in some cases actually threatening behaviour being exhibited by their religious leaders) and also disdainful of our culture (e.g. reference to our young people’s dress as being provocative to their followers). My own view is that, unfortunately, the behaviour of some sections of the Islam faith supports the view held by many that it is a barbaric faith, rooted in medieval practices. For instance, the behaviour by Isis is by no means isolated to them – one only has to look at the rules in places such as Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and other ‘enlightened’ Arab countries, where for instance rape is almost never reported by victims due to the tremendous price paid by them, not even mentioning some of the atrocities committed in the name of the religion in places such as Afghanistan and other ‘unenlightened’ places. On top of that the genital mutilation practiced by some followers of Islam is a total aberration of the duty of care owed by parents to their children. What I find a major problem is that whenever a contentious view is aired by some followers of this faith or an act committed or omitted that runs counter to common decency and the culture of the country which has welcomed them, very little if any condemnation by fellow followers of this faith is levied against the perpetrators. One can only assume that the majority are silent out of agreement or out of fear. Either is not a healthy situation. On top of this the followers of Islam seem to take exception against our culture at frequent opportunities and loudly proclaim how ‘offended’ they are, with politicians and manufacturers falling over themselves to not ‘offend’ this tiny minority (for instance, you’ll be hard pushed to find the word ‘Easter’ on any of Cadbury Eater eggs this season). Were they so concerned about not offending all the other religions who never raised any issues and lived with us in harmony over all these years? Prime Minister Turnbull even went so far as to hold a dinner at Kirribilli House for a bunch of Muslims (with some dodgy characters amongst them, I might add). Did he ever hold a dinner at Kirribilli House for the Jewish constituents in his electorate (quite a few of whom would have made contributions toward his party, I would imagine), seeing his electorate has one of the highest percentage of Jewish locals. Or did he, within living memory, hold a dinner party for the members of the majority religion (remember us Christians?). And he called Bill Shorten (another loser) a sycophantic social climber? I think Islam has shown itself to be sufficiently different to be regarded with suspicion and to be curtailed in the impact it appears to be having on our country and our culture. From some serious investigations in the Halal certification scam to why radical supporters and leaders are not deported if not Australian citizens or allowed in as visitors with evil intent. I would go as far as to call for the reintroduction of the crime of sedition. I was an immigrant, and love this country and it’s culture. I you don’t – feel free to leave.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:38pm
The fact that Easter is removed from Easter eggs is actually a good thing - what have chocolate eggs got to do with the real reason for Easter.
Overgeneralising about ordinary people as usual and mixing up religion and culture again....you'll never learn
World Prophet
15th Feb 2017
10:14pm
'As usual' you seem to have missed the point. Does the saying 'missing the forest for the trees' spring to mind/
KeyC
15th Feb 2017
5:14pm
Not surprising at all. It is disappointing. Australia has chosen to show its racist underbelly yet again! So much for purporting that this is a country that uphold the Christian values; supposedly. And if you are attacking people of certain faith why not go as far as scrutinising the Jewish faith? Their Kosher food is NO different to HALAL food. There are similarities between the Jewish and Islamic religions and there are differences. And why not look at the Catholic faith that has just been through an inquiry for its atrocities leaving thousands of Catholics and non-catholics traumatised for life owing to the scourge of paedophilia. The most abominable acts there are and it has been covered up for decades with the full knowledge of their superiors right up to the Vatican! Why not screen out and ban Catholic migrants for that matter? Lets have a look at the Exclusive Brethren and its shameful deeds and treatment of women - said to be one of the biggest donors to conservative and right-leaning political parties? Just saying; don't cast the rocks at one religion when there is a whole host of religions that may be far from the 'perfect' if we are going to judge.
Look I don't want to get into tit -for-tat. Let's just all settle down and ask ourselves honestly, really be honest. What is it that we as a nation are fearing? Nobody is asking anyone here to convert or made to convert to anybody else's religion. But what I do fear for our nation is that we are divisive with this sort of debate and hysteria that will only oppress those who are of a different religion, culture or race/colour. And you don't have to be a genius to know if you marginalise, vilify and insult groups in society, then we will be asking for trouble. How about we all make an effort to really gain better understanding and knowledge about Islam. We may just be surprised what we may learn from that and in so doing make Australia the country to be envied for the way it respects all its citizens. Be willing to learn more about it and for that matter, also learn about the Jewish and/or other faith that interest you. Australians, let's not lower our dignity, let's lift dignity even higher. I really have faith in you all to accept this challenge. And even if you don't I would like to think we can all live together happily and respect one another through the good times and the bad times! We shall overcome.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:32pm
Lesson for you: islam is not a race. The problem is islam itself.
jackyd
15th Feb 2017
6:06pm
Yawn. ..you just don't get it.
Good that many Australians are now onto the abomination that is Islam and that a harmonious society is a one society.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:16pm
Key C I wish you were right that Australians could be dignified in response to these issues however the proof is they cannot be and sadly will further demonise and vilify those who practise an Islamic religion - excusing their behaviour as non racist because Islam is not a race - no it's not but 90% of the arguments against Muslim migrants are racist....and in terms of harmonious societies when was the last time you sat down at a corroboree jacked?
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:36pm
Jews can buy kosher food at their own outlets and do not involve the entire community in it through licencing that puts money back to Judaism.
jackyd
16th Feb 2017
12:41am
Ccfdrongo.. when I was at Minjalang on Crocker Island....fantastic to witness.
Not Senile Yet!
15th Feb 2017
5:26pm
Paulodapotte...
You are failing to convert anyone to you ideals!
Reason.....Serious lack of experience with people over a wide range of time!
If a Muslim accepted our Laws and integrated that would entail allowing women equality of choice and to marry without threat of death to anyone they chose!
Acceptance that FREEDOM TO CHOOSE is a God/Allah given right to every human being!
They would remove their hate preaching leaders and call themselves Australian Muslims who allow Freedom of Choice for All....including their siblings!
But they cannot do so because they are totally brainwashed to believe their preachers version of the Koran!
Even those who came here to escape from the Terror of Radical Sharia Law or those who converted to Christians are Hunted and had a death sentence passed upon them!
Sharia Law is Racist...Sexist...and an Absolute Caveman Ideology....that refuses to allow Freedom of Choice!
You need to educate yourself before you accuse others of being ignorant.....for your ignorance and lack of tolerance is in your words for all to see!
Namecalling and labelling are just childlike ignorance in themselves...words used as fists....is just another form of bullying. You can only get out of a brain what you put in....and if it is propaganda & crap....without logic or reason....it is plain for the world to see!
But by all means keep posting....cos we all need the laughter you create!
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:21pm
Some of us don't need converting because we believe in the value of all humanity not just non Muslim xenophobic predominantly white society - though by your messages some of you on here really test that belief as you don't deserve to be considered part of humanity as your attitudes are so morally bankrupt.
Young
15th Feb 2017
5:33pm
Simple question.Would we be allowed to settle in their country And maintain our own religion?
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:35pm
Simple answer: No.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:24pm
Actually in most Muslim countries yes you would.
Rod63
15th Feb 2017
8:06pm
Of course! Many predominately muslim countries have other religions being practised there.
Captain
16th Feb 2017
2:10pm
Many Muslin countries do allow other religions within their borders, such as Dubai, where they have 1 building set aside for all other religions to conduct their services.

As told to us by residents of Dubai.
Frank
18th Feb 2017
12:09pm
Young, yes of course. You could build a Christian church anywhere in Syria. Not only that, but if your wife wanted to slip on a bikini and swim in the pool you could invite the neighbours for a BBQ so they can have an opportunity to assimilate. Yeah, I know what you're thinking....what about the Cronulla Riots? Well it's all cool now, yep the Imam has apologised for saying ozzy girls shouldn't be displayed like meat.
Young
15th Feb 2017
5:37pm
Another simple question. Should we look after our own who are in need of housing,etc, for a year or two before we continue bringing others here?
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
5:42pm
Yes we should. This brings me to the Foreign Aid that Australia donates. It should be stopped and all the money spent on Australians.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:28pm
No because migration is not the cause of the housing situation, if anything foreign investment contributes to it and that is not from Muslim countries. Our foreign aid should actually be increased, we have enough money but do not spend it well domestically and certainly we let the very wealthy get away without contributing their fair share.
micky d.
15th Feb 2017
6:22pm
A lot of the comments here are aimed at whether or not we should be more accepting of Muslims. The mention of Sharia Law is mostly alluded to as a separate issue to Islam. An issue that MIGHT become a problem for us.
LET IT BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD that Sharia Law is the Law of Muslim's prophet Mahommed.
To be a faithful Muslim one MUST pursue both Sharia Law and Halal dietary laws.
The claim that Muslims are required to follow the laws of the country they live in can be rationalised by saying they do have only one wife (with some exceptions) since the laws of Australia permit one wife only. The Muslim laws do not demand that they have more than one wife.....but we have to listen to the frequent suggestions, requests and , indeed, demands from Muslim leaders to pave the way for the introduction and growth of their religious way of life.
Look at halal. Did you ever think we could so easily and quickly have been converted , as a Nation, to having to eat halal foods.
MAKE NO MISTAKE Sharia IS PART AND PARCEL of the Muslim religion. Brace yourself !!!!
Raphael
15th Feb 2017
6:30pm
Agree - no way should sharia law be allowed

will make an absolute mockery of the legal system

One set of rules for all - like it or lump it
MICK
15th Feb 2017
6:33pm
Whilst the media and do gooders are hyping up this issue and the muslim community are crying 'discrimination' and 'rights' Australians should be disengaging from this self interest group and looking at other places on the planet where this religion has settled and what it has done once it gains a foothold.
Personally I do not want to see women in servitude and a religion which actively attacks non believers. That is precisely the argument this cohort is using to push its way in and Australians need to decide if they want the same problems down the track as we see in other countries.
This is not an argument about rights and religious freedom. This is an argument about OUR WAY OF LIFE and the mentally challenged and do gooders need to get it through their heads that this religion may be smiling at you now but at some time down the track you will be fair game.
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
8:02pm
So many do-gooders in such a rush to march and protest against Donald Trump and his muslim watch and see policy - a man who was elected by fed-up deplorables - but did anyone see women "demonstrators" in pink pussy cat hats marching against the religion that encourages down-trodden islamic women subservient to males? Women who live in extremely hot climates including Australia, yet covered in head scarves, skirts to their ankles, socks and sneakers attire while their "men" get about in t-shirts, shorts and sandals? I think it is an argument about a religious cult that has widespread tentacles and more and more Western people are saying loud and clear, no thanks, not in my backyard.
MICK
16th Feb 2017
3:19am
A sound assessment.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:22am
Rather than being divisive, I think the Islamic argument is something which will unite Australians. Well almost all Australians. There will be those who gain financial benefit from minority group equality.
trood
15th Feb 2017
6:38pm
What kind of Australia do we want?, the one WITHOUT muslims!
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
6:40pm
Sadly looks like we will not get the one without racists, bigots and imbeciles
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
6:43pm
ccfandango
If that's the only way you can see it - "So be it"!
MICK
15th Feb 2017
7:09pm
This is what muslim society is all about: attacks when you disagree with them and name calling to shut people up.
Just because one sees things for what they are does not mean they are racists, bigots or imbeciles. By all means go to the dictionary and find some more words to silence those whose way of life is threatened. The truth is in the history of this religion and we all need to look at other places on the planet where these people live. Then make a call.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
7:51pm
Many of the arguments used are blatantly racist show a complete lack of humanity and misunderstanding of cultural and religious issues and label everyone who is Muslim with the same ideology as Isis. It's exactly the same as saying all Catholics are paedophiles....why can't people see that. The people who are most hurt by Muslims are other Muslims...
Incidentally I did not directly call anyone a racist, bigot or imbecile but if the shoe fits....
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:42pm
Attempting to silence opposition and even reasoned discussion has become the norm in this country, through name-calling and negative labeling any who even wish to discuss an alternative viewpoint to that of the 'true believers'.

Sadly - it started with the feminist, who shot themselves in both feet in doing so and alienated many potential allies and even genuine allies.

I often discuss online the fallacy in DV of seeking to prevent violence by imposing violence of the courts etc without proper Legal process or right - and am labeled every thing under the sun for doing so,and for rightly labeling such an approach bullying by the state as a means to prevent potential bullying. The results are predictable - a rise in violence - but by adopting the stance taken by the Dalai Lama on violence in all its forms, I am labeled a hater and a violent man - something I most emphatically am not.

Same here.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:44pm
Islam is not a race - Wog is a race.... if you wish to be an Australian, you are welcome - if you wish to remain a Wog, don't let the door hit your ass on your way home.

I've never had an issue with Muslims - but some such have developed an issue with me for simply being what I am.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
9:38pm
Trebor I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your Wog comment was not meant to be racist however the very use of the term is racist and insulting.
MICK
16th Feb 2017
3:34am
csfandango: muslims are racist because they discriminate against the caucasian majority. Muslims are bigots because they they are intolerant of westerners and their values.

Ok, I am gilding the lily because this is the rhetoric of muslims trying to demonise anybody who does not want to convert to Islam, the end game for this religion.

I have no doubt that many muslims are decent people. The issue is that the clerics only accept one religion: THEIRS. This is the beginning of a very very long drawn out game to subvert the population of this and other countries and the fairness and kindness which has been extended to muslims in this country will be poorly repaid. Non muslims are already hated and talked of as bad people because they are not a part of the religion and ISIS, whilst not a part of the mainstream, has been tolerated by the leadership because is executing westerners....which apparently is not a crime under Islam.

I played back a part of the exchange with Lambi. One of the things said by your muslim spokesperson was that Sharia Law respected our laws, was not mandatory and provided equality. You might like to ask Islamic women about that one away from the mosque. It is a lie and a hypocrisy and Australians are waking up to the cancer it has within its country.

Talk, blame and demonise all you like but the facts are the facts and no amount of 'theory' can hide what is happening and how Islam feels about the rest of us. We do not need islam here and better for practitioners to go to countries where this toxic toxic religion is established. But of course these wonderful folk want all the goodies Australia gives them whilst being all too willing to bite the hand that feeds it and the kindness of Australians which was freely given as these people escaped their toxic countries, only to come here and try to infect ours.

Sorry ccfandango but we do not need this culture in our country. It is a recipe to civil war in a hundred years and why would we wish this on our children and theirs just to satisfy the idiots amongst us who want to feel good when they go to bed every night,
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
3:38am
Mick, that about sums it up. Thanks.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:15am
Just a definite term for a Westernised Oriental Gentleman..... better than being a keffir under the Islamites and forced into second class citizenship, compulsory obeisance and annual payment to the 'boss' class........

I think you need to get out a bit more.....
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
6:49pm
Reading the comments here is an indicator that at long last we feel liberated enough to say what we are thinking. It's no use of anyone using the old tactic of shutting down opinion by labelling people racists and bigots because those days are now gone. Thanks to courageous people such as Lambie, Hanson, Trump, Frage, Le Pen and Wilders there's a growing power of deplorables who are taking our countries back. I've had enough of my culture, history traditions and ancestors being disparaged and demeaned when all the mostly did was lead good lives. I want my country's cultures and beliefs maintained and perpetuated. To me, Islam represents everything that I do not want or like. Since the new breed of politician is now leading the way, I feel free to say that I detest diversity, detest multi-culturalism, detest niche minority issues and detest foreign aid. Yes, I'm a deplorable and proud of it.
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
7:00pm
Applaus!!!
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
7:39pm
No one here is shutting down opinions in fact people have freely expressed a range of quite extreme opinions which is part of what free speech is about. However it would be good to understand why you support some of the courageous people you do, what scares you so much that you detest diversity and multiculturalism - for a good mono culture go have a look at today's Saudi Arabia or historically Nazi Germany - what are our countries cultures and beliefs to be maintained (used to include giving a fair go for everyone and supporting those less fortunate), and what are the niche minority issues you detest? Does that include the plight of our indigenous people too?
What makes you believe that most Muslim people also do not mostly just live good lives like your ancestors who were disparaged and demeaned?
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
8:16pm
ccfandango it would take several pages to answer your questions but in short I feel the answers are abundantly clear by the plethora of comments already posted here today. I'm just glad my great uncle who died on the battlefield believing he was there to keep Australia's way of life and freedoms doesn't have to see what road we headed down. How the virtuous, hideously morally vain politicians of the 1970's onwards had decided, without consultation of our people, that diversity, tolerance and multiculturalism was the way of the future. Just look at Western societies destroying themselves wholesale by importing cultures and religious extremists. Yes, you are trying the old stunt, comparing today's situation to Arabia and Nazi Germany. Well, dearie, it don't work any more. We are fed up and we're not taking it any more.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
9:42pm
Better rip down the snowy mountains scheme and half the cane fields in Queensland, most of the orchards in Victoria and NSW and a whole plethora of other things including Australias once vibrant motor industry - these were all built on the backs and hard work of migrants mostly from Southern Europe and islanders too in the cane fields - Australia would be nothing without its diverse migrants.
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
10:48pm
Dear fandango, glad you mentioned the magnificent work of Post WWII immigrants and their contribution to our country which was a whole lot more than subsequent incompatibles large numbers still not working 15-20 years after arrival. The immigrants you refer to were not Centrelink seekers, they were of similar cultures, religions and family beliefs. Unlike today's freeloaders with their hands out for the "welcome cheque", they received no housing, no free health care, no English language lessons, no nothing. They worked hard, built businesses, learned our language and fitted in. Sorry mate, migrant "diversity" (can't stand the divisive word) since the 1970's has not done Australia proud.
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
7:39pm
'Ere - cop yer whack fer this - Snowy Scheme accommodations...

http://www.bradcollis.net/snowy/tents2.jpg

They lived in tents even in Winter with fires etc... they earned their way in this country.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:18am
Methinks we need to put every Muslim man woman and child to the shovel building highways to the Outback.......
Frank
15th Feb 2017
7:02pm
Don't you just love the way those with "Education" and "Compassion" sell their BS? I am thinking of voting for Lambie on that issue alone!!!
Two things made up my mind. The celebration in Sydney streets following 911. And the riots in Sydney over a Hollywood movie during a Labor government. In case you have short memories, little Kids held up signs wanting "infidels" beheaded.
MICK
15th Feb 2017
7:14pm
This is a war against the west and the do gooders who are so easily taken in need to move past the verbal attacks and focus on what this religion is: an all consuming government where your rights are removed over time.
This is a religion where the clergy are hate filled and and the practitioners do what they are told.
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
8:25pm
Mick it's becoming a war against politicians who wanted their images as virtuous "good decent" candidates so that would translate into votes from unthinking impressionables. It has taken a long, long time but the wool is no longer covering the public's eyes. The jig is over. The political landscape has changed. Do-gooders no longer rule. Just as in Britain and the US, we are taking our country back before it's irretrievable.
Frank
15th Feb 2017
9:36pm
Brissiegirl you are right on target!
MICK
16th Feb 2017
3:37am
I WILL VOTE AGAINST ANY POLITICIAN WHO LETS THIS PROBLEM CONTINUE TO DIVIDE US. Any Party!
If our pollies think they are going to harness a few hundred thousand votes then they need to count those are are losing. Enough to throw the deadbeats out.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
9:01am
MICK, and here I was thinking that you were a died in the wool hard line Greeny? Keep this up and your share price will rise mate. :)
MICK
17th Feb 2017
12:28am
Mt allegiance is always first and foremost to the country I call home. If you think I am a Greenie or socialist then so be it but destroying the place you live in for a fistful of (vanishing) dollars is a sell out of future generations who will inherit a tip. Also, society is not a rat eat rat conglomerate and whilst there will always be a divide between rich and poor it is not right that the top end enters into fraudulent arrangements with its (sponsored) governments and cries poor whilst piling the taxes on to average citizens.
The above pretty well summarises my position and I will support ANY politician who governs responsibly and fairly. That Frank is where we probably part company. Cheers.
Crafty
15th Feb 2017
7:02pm
As a previous inmate of catholic, Church of England and govt institutions as a child, (1 parent catholic, 1 parent Anglican, both violent), I can tell you I don't think much of religion or those who ran these places. Of course religion is something forced on you in these places and to this day I still pray to the universe, mostly for a lotto win. The truth is I'm an atheist. Children believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and other fanciful creatures. For the life of me, I can't understand why any intelligent adult human being could believe in a god/Allah/or other all empowering being. It just does not make sense to me. I hate the way religion is used to gain money;' power; and used as a reason for war. I hate that a person can rape/murder/beat, then pray to their god for forgiveness, over and over again. I hate that so called religious people say I have no morals simply because I'm an atheist. Religion plays no part in whether you are a good person or not. I will fight (verbally) for my right, your right, to live in our free democracy. All religious (and non religious) persons are welcome including Muslim, but Sharia law and burkas are not acceptable here. It should be passed in parliament to stop extremists. Our laws should apply to all.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
7:22pm
Crafty I agree with most of what you say but do not understand enough about Sharia law other than knowing it should not be implemented where it disagrees with or contravenes Australian law. In terms of the Burka, I remember being taught by nuns who wore something not far removed from that but these days those same nuns wear normal clothes. It's only by allowing people to be part of our society and being influenced by other experiences and values that these things ever change. For the sake of the women and their daughters who wear the Burkas we should allow them that future
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:49pm
I was dumped in a Catholic orphanage by my mother, along with my brother (my two sisters were dumped elsewhere) - and I found both the nuns and priests there to be very kind and gentle people. Fortunately I wasn't there long before the Anglican side of my family 'bailed' us out... my father ending up in court over 'abducting' his own daughter.

I hold no religious affiliation.. but have many relatives who do, and we get on just fine. It must have been hard for the Catholic side to know my mother did what she did - they are all good people.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:51pm
Oh - my aunt - a very reliable and honest lady - stormed down the aisle of the court and told the magistrate they couldn't treat her brother that way for getting back his own children.... the magistrate laughed....

It's a good story that I plan to write one day - when I can get 'removed' far enough from it... it's only been sixty years now......
JAID
17th Feb 2017
1:49pm
I wish you would get a wriggle on Trebor, I am already eager to read on.
No time like the present.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:22am
Jaid - that ain't half of it.... I've already got a partial auto-bio out in two parts... needs work.... when I have the time I need to re-do it all. I'm not a 'trained' writer - just a person who speaks in written words. I'm carer for my ex and am tied up renovating a house so she can live there in comfort and ease.. very tiring at my age, but I'll get there.

Thanks for your kind words.
saxon
15th Feb 2017
7:28pm
To all the people that cry 'Islamaphobia' or 'racist' when people object to Muslim immigration you fundamentally misunderstand the philosophy of Islam.
Islam does not integrate, Muslims form enclaves to isolate themselves.
The tolerance often suggested we all show is one sided. We are tolerant they are not.
Islam is not a religion it is a cult that uses all the techniques of a cult to keep Muslims under control.
Islamic philosophy is incompatible with western culture.
They pledge to destroy all other cultures and religions.
They 'stick it in our faces' by building Mosques we do not want and dress to confront and alarm.
Would you invite someone into your house that pledges to kill you? No? then why do we invite Muslims into our country?
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
7:41pm
All religions are cults that hoodwink ordinary people - the opium of the masses - lets ban them all.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
7:44pm
If I thought that by exposing the person to a different and freer way of life and showing them that non Muslims were not all racist bigots I'd invite them in now.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
8:05pm
Oh and a lot of tolerance you are showing there Saxon....
Charlie
15th Feb 2017
8:12pm
Look fandango are you being paid to come her and clutter up the meaning of what people are saying with a whole lot of wishy washy double talk.
ccfandango
15th Feb 2017
9:51pm
Who do you think is paying me Charlie. - must be a commission from the halal certified pork sausages. The fact you think I am cluttering up the meaning of what people are saying means just maybe I have a point too Charlie....or am I not allowed to have a view. I'm normally too busy to spend this time on forums like this but it really saddens me how divided Australia has become. I blame a lot on our politicians who chase popularism instead of providing leadership and our media who sensationalise everything and target the lowest common denominator to sell their news .....but ultimately everyone has to think for themselves I just don't believe most people on this forum are well enough informed to be making the statements they are and are just scare,ongering ordinary and probably decent people.
This sort of division is exactly what terrorist groups like Isis want as it ferments hatred in young easily influenced people on both sides of the debate....as well as a few of the older generation too.
MICK
16th Feb 2017
3:45am
ccfandango: sadly the mentally challenged talk your sort of rhetoric. The issue is that ISLAM IS NOT A BENIGN RELIGION. All others are.

Religions need to generally stay out of meddling and changing incumbent laws to accommodate their own off the planet way of life. Islam is unlike any other religion in that even with such a minority it is demanding its own legal system whilst more than a few are involved in crime and protected by those good muslims you talk about.

Were this religion benign and not toxic I would support it. Unfortunately it is a dangerous cancer which if let spread will end up with a civil war in this country. Do your homework. This has happened in many countries where two groups have differences half as much as islam has with western culture. And as you realise muslims are only allowed to marry muslims. Please see where that leads!
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:28am
I don't think you need or receive paying, fandango- you are simply lost in educationland, but you'll free yourself of those chains one day. there's nothing - well unless it's a recovering Catholic - nothing more soul-stirring than someone who realises that education is the beginning of wisdom and not its end.

I am fond of advising medical students just graduated that they are now about to being to learn the ropes......

Here's a little music for you:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H6o9197fic
heemskerk99
15th Feb 2017
8:12pm
used to have some respect for the comments of o.g, even if I had my own thoughts about the objects in these columns, yet, lately his/her comments raised a red flag, not being able to justify his/her comments, he/she has found it easier to play the man, so easy to attack other people's principals or religion without justifying the facts as is happening in our world, as for paulodapotter's views, for an immigrant telling me to relinquish my upbringing and forgetting our traditions so as to please islam emigrants, who did not have the guts to stand up to their rulers, I say, pull my other leg, You want to live here in AUSTRALIA, you follow our laws and traditions, if you object, great, go back or be send back to where you came from, many other displaced people will be grateful to take your place and live and abide by our laws and be grateful to share their experiences and traditions with us, Victoria is taken over by sudanese, islanders etc, costing us, the taxpayers, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, yet the do-gooders are stll stating we should help them, educate them, especial in locksmithing, please give me a break, Australia get some spine, if not you be ruled by those who sell out our principals to the highest bidder.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:56pm
Well said, Heemie. You are almost forgiven for certain past comments...
Patriot
15th Feb 2017
9:00pm
heemskerk99
Have you got a plan on hot to implement those ideas into the "HEADS of OUR Elected Representatives" in Canberra?

Or do you think that - whilst they draw quite substantial 4emuneration from OUR Tax finds - the Secret INVISIBLE Global Government pays them even better????
That is, for doing the opposite to what Australians want!!!
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
2:34pm
I thought you were talking about the heads hung on the walls of Parliament.... sorry...
CindyLou
15th Feb 2017
8:40pm
I'm just glad that I don't live in an area taken over by the Muslim community. Today spoke to an elderly Aussie from Roselands, near Lakemba NSW - an area taken over by Muslim people - this elderly lady and her husband are so stressed by what's happening in their area. This is not the Australia I want - I wish the politicians would listen to mainstream Aussies.
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:54pm
Roseland? They shoot people in their own driveways there in front of their kids... and sometimes they shoot up police stations down the road and throw rocks and stuff at Bankstown police station, while Campsie police station handles 1000 break-in reports a week and don't even bother when people are kidnapped off the street .... must be those terrible Aussies doing those things.

Just saying for the sake of the argument.....
TREBOR
15th Feb 2017
8:54pm
Sorry - Roselands. They also occasionally firebomb cars in the street... and Greenacre has regular shoot-ups....
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
9:29pm
Good ol' Aussies. We are so much better than those creepy Moslems. All we do is minor bad things, like molesting kids, bashing up the wife after getting a bellyful of booze and screaming abuse at wogs, abos, wops, slopes, towel heads, dagos, etc. All harmless fun, eh? Bit of a joke really. We don't kill Mozzies like they kill us, eh? Except maybe a few hundred thousand mozzy women & kids in Iraq and Afghanistan, mainly accidental of course. They cut off your head. All we do is blow them to bits. We're sort of sophisticated ain't we?
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
2:39pm
Grow up, Paulo - 'we' the people do none of those things - most people do not molest kids, most people do not bash up the old girl, most people have happily accepted wops, spicks, chinks, niggers, and Abos, sand kaffirs, etc, as part of the rich tapestry of this country.

Most of those groups also don't do those things you mention above - but those that do are (wait for it) dealt with under OUR law.

As for blowing the Sheisenhower out of some far-off nation - that is government policy, not that of the people, and I don't recall any vote being taken on going into those countries... although you have to admit that Iraq is better off without Sad Sam and Afghanistan is better off without the Taliban.

You need to get off that shot you're smoking and start to use your mind, and realise that according group responsibility to an entire nation for the actions of a few is not acceptable. No more acceptable than saying that all Muslims are terrorists etc, which is demonstrably untrue.

You do find it hard to keep on the subject, don't you?
Lost our culture
15th Feb 2017
10:00pm
Why does our government push us to be multicultural, especially with the Muslims. We are fast losing our heritage, cultural and way of life all in the name of accepting migrants and their cultures. They do not assimilate with us, they want us to change our ways to be like them. They commit crime, just look how the jails are filling up. Their wallets are full of cash, no paper trails. Go Jackie you are right. Took a women to stand up for Aussies.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
10:03pm
No one is pushing us to be multicultural, Lost our Culture. We just are. Have a look around. It ain't goin' to go away. There's still the odd cosy deserted island around for you to migrate to.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
10:06pm
By the way, you can take those yobbos, Hanson and Lambie, with you. You can all be Aussies together and being all women you won't be able to breed more Aussie yobbos.
Paulodapotter
15th Feb 2017
10:08pm
By the way, the jails are filling up with Aussies, not Mozzies.
Brissiegirl
15th Feb 2017
10:37pm
Hey Paula, ever heard of the ostrich's head in the sand mentality.
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
11:36pm
Islam is a blight on decent societies. Where it goes it creates huge problems for the host country. Those that may disagree should venture into the no-go areas all over Western Europe there are literally hundreds of them and of course there are some in Australia too.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
8:51am
Lost our culture, you may have a point. There are now more Muslims than Aboriginals in Australia. People like Paula take a long time to wake up because of their strong need to be seen as educated and compassionate. That is why she calls those with opposing views "yobbos."
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
2:43pm
The correct term is 'knuckle-dragger' Frank.... I've posted, Paulo, the fact that Mussos are less than 3% of the NSW population but are 10% of the prison population. Must be based on discrimination, eh? Same as with Aboriginals and Vietnamese drug runners?

Maybe you need to spend a few weeks in a prison to find out... or perhaps you have.......
Frank
16th Feb 2017
3:54pm
oooh, hit a nerve there have we trebor? How about saying whats on your mind?
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
7:44pm
I don't see your point when I was laughingly supporting your demolition of the 'yobbo' term...

When Paulo calls us yobbos, he is using the incorrect term, which should be 'knuckle-draggers'... I suppose it loses its value if you need to explain it.

No nerve struck here - I'm a gentleman by act of Parliament and of Her Majesty....
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:14pm
xenophobic rubbish, shame. do you have any humanity?
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:31pm
Trebor I don't read every post. I get it now. You weren't suggesting I had been in gaol. lol
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:34am
Certainly not, Frank. No reason to think that. It is hard to follow every discussion....

Mike? What EVER do you mean? I don't want to be 'multi-cultural' but I am happy to accept others as PART of our culture..... what's 'xenophobic' about that?

Shame about those Arab thugs disturbing the peace at Bondi and causing a reaction - not the Cronulla thing - there is/was a very nice Lebanese restaurant at Bondi and an excellent takeaway at the top of the hill....
Jtee
15th Feb 2017
10:10pm
No one has any issue with peaceful immigrants of any ethnic origin who uphold the laws of Australia and become part of the Australian community. They fit in and are treated the same as everyone else with respect. Their ethnic origin isn't taken into account at all. In fact, it probably isn't even noticed.
mikecrook
15th Feb 2017
10:45pm
How sad it is that once again a minority group is being demonised unfairly for political purposes. Manufactured xenophobia is nothing new in this country, from 1900, when the "yellow peril" was the threat, to post WW1 when the "russian reds" were the problem onto to the 1930's when it was the Italians turn, then the fifties, when the Greeks were nasty wogs, and the New Australians of the sixties, then Pauline and her attacks on Asians in the 1990's. And our indigenous brothers and sisters were ever present as a minority to be looked down on and shunned, and of course blamed for everything that was wrong. We have seen comments here that have no basis in fact and are just racists or religious intolerants who have picked up a vibe from some nasty right commentator, politician or other, and are happy to spew their ignorance over the rest of us like dogs vomit. There are those in this post who are humane however and we all need to band together to overcome the forces of ignorance and hate, we can do and be better than this.
Attila
16th Feb 2017
11:27pm
Mike crook you must have not travelled very far in this big wide world and not mixed with many people if you can talk about Australia like that.
Don't you realize the common denominator in all this?

We the immigrants that came to Australia as children after WWII came with mainly Christian backgrounds, in other words if we came from France, Greece, Yugoslavia, Poland, Uk, Italy, Portugal, Spain, even Egypt, yes Egypt we mainly came under the umbrella of a Christian Faith and values.
If you read my earlier post I would ask you to read further about Islam and read about the 80% .... We the majority of Australians do wish to have respect shown to us, we don't want to change our values.

About five years ago my husband and myself were in NZ in the south island talking to a taxi driver. He hesitate to say where he was from, but soon joined in the conversation about his children and why he had moved to NZ. You see he had been a Lecturer in a Cairo University, [in English Literature he was Egyptian] he wanted to bring his children as far away as he possibly could from what he could see 'the writing on the wall' and feared for his safety with the Islamic government. His children are studying in a NZ university today.
I object to my Christian values being swiped aside by someone that comes to this country to change our culture and objects to us having Christmas Cards that are a part of our Christian Culture....that objects to our children singing Christmas hymns.
Zac
15th Feb 2017
10:54pm
Frankly, why shouldn't we be worried? There are MAJOR RUCTIONS in the Muslim faith at the moment. It's undeniable. Most other religions seem to be pretty relaxed. I believe the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving and just want to get on with life just like us, but isn't it a fact that there is pressure being put on Muslims from large, frightening, and growing factions within that faith to become more conservative and insular. That's why we're worried. Didn't Australia get over religious conservatism in the 60's? It's not for us.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
7:44am
separate the people from the socalled rejigion. For example if you were a cathiloc would you like to be called a supporter of child rape, when you are probably not. People are are just people and the desire of people for a creative , loving, life living in community is what we all aspire to. The purpose of our foreign aid programme was to spread a level of community security throughout the third world, but it has got twisted by our preferring to send young men with guns instead of infrastructure and training. Did we really have the arrogance o think that sending troops to Iraq, for fallacious reasons, where a million innocent civilians died a a result, would have no repercussions? The million victims has mums and dads, brothers and sisters, did we really think that they wouldn't be very annoyed with us. I know I would be if it happened here. WE are reaping, in a very small way what we sowed and it is a mark of the way of life of most Muslims, that there are very few who are doing anything other than trying to be nice to each other. All of their problems, and all of our problems come from our so called leaders, the Bush/Blair/Howard wealthy warrior faction, cheered on by the commercial media..
Flindersbar
15th Feb 2017
10:56pm
Of course we can go back in history and find Christianity has a rather poor record, the Inquisition being the main culprit. However that was 3 centuries ago and we have cleaned up the act , unlike the Muslims who are going back 6/7 centuries for their template. You only have to visit France, Belgium or UK to find they insist, successfully at times on Sharia priority. More importantly they are taught at an early age that they have been robbed of their Caliphate to conquer the world. Go to Spain on that one, they won't regain their world by force of arms so they are trying by stealth. With the help of bleeding hearts they may succeed.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:13pm
cleaned up our act? You may not have noticed the invasion of Iraq where a million civilians who had done us no harm, died!!
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:36am
Yes - but mike - to be fair - how many Australians were involved (one), and how many actually supported this action by our government?

This raises - to me - the very serious question of whether or not and why and how we should ever have a government out of control of the people it serves.......

But that's one mighty big issue.
niemakawa
19th Feb 2017
12:39am
Trebor, mikecrook has assumed(wrongly) that the "one million" were killed by allied forces. He is a bit short on facts, but why spoil a good story with them!!!
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:51am
I was just saying that Desert Storm I had a single Australian Lieut Colonel (I think at the time) as an observer, and he now suffers PTSD from a number of issues, including commanding troops in action in Iraq later.

'We' had very little to do with it, and Sad Sam killed an awful lot of people without our help. Robert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilisation" is a pretty good starter for anyone interested in the Middle East, though I found Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" pretty hard reading.
Mercury3640
15th Feb 2017
11:15pm
One of the reasons behind the push for Sharia Law is the woeful performance of our existing law enforcement system. Fixing that would benefit us all.

Multi-Culturalism is a vague term used by politicians to attempt to gather votes and by those living in fairy land who prattle that diversity makes us stronger. Yes, some people do build houses using bricks of all different sizes and shapes but many more realise that uniform bricks make for ease and strength. If diversity is such a great thing then everyone should speak the language of their ethnic group and every notice, street sign etc should be in about 100 different languages. What should be pushed is for a common public culture and individual private cultures. In public we integrate but at home we may keep up ethnic language and customs always within the law of course. The vast majority of citizens practice exactly this but we do need to strengthen the 'public' culture. Only by a strong commonn culture can many of the ills in society like violence, and particularly violence against women be properly tackled - laws alone will never be enough.

I'm always amazed that callers trying to convert me to Christianity have such a limited knowledge of the Bible - they just know the bits that suit their arguments. As their basis religions have scripture - unfortunately scripture is often contradictory and it is frequently interpreted, almost always by men, in ways that have no authenticity in the scripture. I have not read the whole of the Qur’an but I do believe that many Muslims either have not read the book or deliberately misinterpret it. This link would be useful for any such Muslims who are reading this!
http://www.islamicity.org/6391/prophet-say-i-am-only-a-mortal-like-you/

There is no religious imperative for anyone to wear the burka in public in Australia. Those who do wear it know that it is offensive to many Australians and it does not pass the 'what if everyone wore one' test. It is worn as a provocative insult, about as provocative as a fottball team running through a mosque with their boots on.
Brissiegirl
16th Feb 2017
7:54am
"they just know the bits that suit their arguments" - typified by the young woman on Q & A with her grasping, ridiculous justification of islam, when she tried to get the audience and Lambie to believe that islam is the most feminist of religions. Totally deluded.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:25am
Yes Brissiegirl, "Muslim women are allowed to buy land," she shouted.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:54am
Would that kind of be like the land we offered Lucifer in exchange for his occupation of the Heavenly Home in my short story "Hell's A-Poppin"?

"Imagine his surprise when his 'nice, warm, sub-tropical, centrally heated, scenic views, planned neighbourhood, flood free, ocean front' etc Paradise Lost was a baking, flaming, empty space in which souls writhed day and night, and only the lowest of the low lived and even had a chance to get in. It even flooded with fire at low tide......"
niemakawa
15th Feb 2017
11:29pm
Yes we should ban further immigration of muslims.
jackyd
16th Feb 2017
1:11am
Good night everybody and say your prayers.....
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
1:13am
Jackyd and may God bless you.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:11pm
xenophobic rubbish, shame on you
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
11:09pm
mikecrook, no don't shame me shame the muslims.
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
1:12am
Isn't this racist. maybe some of the muslim appeasers here would like to comment.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/14/glazov-islamists-radical-left-loathe-valentines-day/
Attila
16th Feb 2017
2:02am
It all depends on which Branch! Sunni or Shia. They hate each other's guts and this has been going on since the 7th century when Muhammad died. Nothing is going to change after all this time. They each need their own countries to live in apart from each other. They are not able to respect Australian Law as it is now. They will always want to change it to suit either the thinking of the Sunni or the thinking of the Shia.
That is 80% of the Islamic world. But I have no objection to the other 20% moving here to respect our Australian Laws and customs.
This has to be taken into consideration when the Immigration Department views the individuals application. As it was once said in an interview on 4 Corners a few years back.
This was the reply of an Islamic father. I cannot be a good Muslim if I follow the Australian Law.
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
6:50am
Another article that the "snowflakes" should read. Islam has become a serious problem in Western Europe and the same is occurring in Australia.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/15/danish-parliament-danes-not-become-minority-denmark/
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:10pm
rubbish, other countries have a more humane approach than ours.
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
11:16pm
Did you actually read the article. Australia must learn not to make the same mistakes that Western Europe ( the politicians) have . What is humane about islam ? Have you been to Denmark, Germany, France, The UK. Well I have and have seen first hand what devastation muslims bring to the local communities. They ( even the so-called moderate ones) hate and condemn openly Western values and laws, and you want me to accept that? Never. You seem to love them so much I suggest you go and live in a muslim country, maybe that will give you the satisfaction you crave.
ccfandango
17th Feb 2017
12:46pm
Actually niemakawa I have read the article ..... it refers to the indigenous population of Denmark and of Britain.....long ago did invaders to Australia outnumber the indigenous population....are you suggesting they should all be kicked out....lol
buby
16th Feb 2017
8:13am
“In Sharia it says you follow the law of the land on which you are on.”
WEll, she made this statement, but i'm sure this young lady does not realise what she has even said!
Thats right, yes your on australian soil, and you should follow the law of the land. But you don't want too. Obviously, and i'm sure nobody has even filled you in dear, to the proper meanings of anything. I think ms lambie knows more, and comprehends more. this just shows a lack of experience, i think they just needed somebody to fill in the extra seat, and they just roped in anybody? Certainly i think Ms Lambie is the wiser person, and she woke up, and drew back. Well done woman. But yes WE don't want sharia law here. WE don't need it. When you come here you need to learn to intergrate, but you don't. So why come here? YOU need to go back to your own country, and fight for it. If thats what you really want?
But you say its nothing to fear. Well look at the countries you come from, they are a mess, so you have come looking for something better! and NOW you want to stuff up our country but changing it to how you want. HEY we don't need that rubbish.
As lambie Said, if you don't like it Please Leave.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
8:53am
Taqiyya.
Patriot
16th Feb 2017
8:57am
Frank,
Indeed - under sharia law, Muslims are allowed to "Blatantly Lie".

A "Way to a Means" I suppose!!!!!!!!!
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:26am
Patriot, not just allowed, it is an order from the top.
Attila
18th Feb 2017
8:26pm
Buby hi.

Me thinks 'they' like it very very much, that is why they are here, either Shia or Sunni most probably want it for themselves so they are the majority.
If that is the case they will bring civil war, everywhere those two sects go they cause civil wars.
But for some reason our Politicians do not want to know about that, I think they are more concerned about the Superannuation.
Eyesopen
16th Feb 2017
8:54am
So many people here do not understand that Islam is a totalitarian ideology. Religion plays only a small part of that belief system. Islam is diametrically opposed to democracy that is why Muslims who follow Islam correctly can not and never will assimilate. Followers of Islam have only one true aim and that is to convert the whole world to Islam. It has happened and is happening in every country in the world they have moved to. Some of us have woken up but most are still asleep.
Scorpion
16th Feb 2017
9:49am
I cannot understand how many people do not realise the danger to our social life and our values in this country particularly the writer of this article. The Muslim population has already started to change our way of life by changing our festive seasons which apparently offend them. Examples No More Merry Xmas but happy holidays no Easter Eggs now Hunting Eggs need I go on. They demand their own law etc , etc, etc. I for one love this country and the way of life and I don't want immigrants coming here and changing it. We have had many immigrants come to to country and fit in and add some to AUSTRALIA but this denomination of people have arrived show no respect for this country or its law and bleed our system to the detriment of the people who need help. The politians dont seem to care as long as they can get voted in and eventually the Muslim race will be in parliment and then look out. We need to stop it before it is too late.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
9:58am
Sharia has existed in Australia for decades. The matter has been newsworthy of late because of formal requests by the Muslim community to have Sharia legally recognised in our constitution. We have seen what happens when Muslim numbers reach reasonably high levels in countries such as Canada and UK. These countries are now finding that they have reached the point of no return.
The 1400 year war will continue.
Do we want the war in Australia?
jackyd
16th Feb 2017
10:54am
Frank, we must be intolerant to Islam as Islam is intolerant to us.
Malcolm Turnbull is clear on that...lol.
Frank
16th Feb 2017
11:01am
Sometimes I wonder why Malcolm wanted the job. I know why Tony Abbott wants the job.
TREBOR
16th Feb 2017
7:03pm
Money and megalomania....
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:09pm
totally incorrect, you are making things up, why do you do that?
Frank
17th Feb 2017
6:32pm
mikecrook, which part is incorrect? The part about the 1400 year war? Our ex chief of defence said that Australia should be preparing for a 100 year war and expect it to e fought on our own soil as well as os.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:39am
We've been in The Second Hundred Year's War for decades now.... over control of trade etc within the Asian Pacific Basin - the intrusion of Muslims THIS far is merely a new extension of that War and adds a new dimension to it.

I've got to get back to my book writing some time.... my WW IV series is sadly lacking in many facets of a WW....
BillF2
16th Feb 2017
10:53am
In spite of everything Yassmin said, the current difficulties that the Christian governor of Jakarta is experiencing - impeachment for blasphemy - say everything about Islam. Where Muslims are in the majority they are supremacist and intolerant, and easily led, or misled, by their religious leaders. The problem is the philosophy which says that Islam is the only true religion, and all non-Muslims are infidels are worthy of death, unless they convert. By contrast, true - and I emphasise 'true' - Christianity requires you only to love God, love your neighbour, and forgive those who wrong you. Why would, or should, we permit an intolerant Islam to gain any foothold in our society? More to the point, why have our federal politicians involved us in illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, created so many refugees, and created mass Muslim migration? Unless they are complete idiots, they would have known of the consequences of their actions. So what is their aim? Certainly not the benefit and welfare of Australia. More likely. its division. Fifth columnists? Traitors?
Frank
16th Feb 2017
10:56am
Easily misled? That could be the case Bill. According to WHO Middle East countries have the lowest collective IQ of any country.
Rae
16th Feb 2017
2:06pm
I've been wracking my brains trying to think of just one benefit to Australia's welfare from the muslim community.

Someone might know of one perhaps.

All I know is I've had my pension promise denied because we are in so much debt and still the immigrants and refugees come.

How come I feel like I'm one of the very few paying for all these wonderful feelings of humanity and compassion. I don't get it. I don't even feel good about it. I believe it will just end in tears.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:07pm
xenophobic rubbish
Rainey
17th Feb 2017
7:46am
Mikecrook, you display the gross lack of intelligence common among the gullible bleeding heart pro-immigration fools with your comment. Not capable of intelligent debate. Just use a big word and think it shows you are smart.

Go and visit countries where Muslim immigration has reached plague proportions and see what really happens. You need educating, because sadly Rae is absolutely correct. We should be looking after our own and protecting our way of life. They have stuffed up their own countries - else why would they want to leave? Now they'll come and stuff ours. Nothing xenophobic about being smart enough to protect our way of life.
JAID
17th Feb 2017
11:57am
BillF2 "...Where Muslims are in the majority they are supremacist and intolerant..."

If that is true, and I am sure in some places that it is, then it has not always been the case and need not. Encouragement and the advantage of role modelling can be a powerful tool.

Indonesia has shown some disgraceful intolerance in the not greatly distant past (particularly 50 odd years ago) but this was primarily social rather then religious. Largely the intervening years have shown it to be very tolerant (at least as current adminstrations with strong religious associations seem to go.)
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:40am
Religious with a gun - cultural with a gun.... ummmmmmmm .. lemme think a minute here....

Nope - not much farken difference.
Crashbang
16th Feb 2017
1:22pm
Its simple as a lot of people have said. Fix Australia first. you see people living on the streets, in cars etc yet we keep giving housing to so called refugees. a housing commission complex not too far away has not had any Australian tenants for years. They seem to get benefits the Australian people can not get.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:07pm
what have you done for the homeless.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:42am
What have YOU done for the homeless? I've been one of those after many years of working my guts out, and let me tell you - it takes a lot of balls to get up and go again... and again....
Waggaboy
16th Feb 2017
3:39pm
Islam’s grand vision about women is given in one verse of the Koran:
I am amazed at how many people havent at least read some of the koran. Here's an excerpt.

Koran 4:34 Allah has made men superior to women because men spend their wealth to support them. Therefore, virtuous women are obedient, and they are to guard their unseen parts as Allah has guarded them. As for women whom you fear will rebel, admonish them first, and then send them to a separate bed, and then beat them. But if they are obedient after that, then do nothing further; surely Allah is exalted and great!
JAID
17th Feb 2017
11:50am
It is pretty ignorant stuff Waggaboy. It shows that something other than brainpower must be the key to encouraging millions to chant your praises. Subjugating women through law and religion is probably a pretty profound way of maintaining male peace within a society but it leaves humanity with about half of its potential along with the stain of slavery and probably does nothing beyond that society anyway.

"Allah has made men superior to women..." Not in this or that but across the board. Ignorant.
"...because men spend their wealth to support them." roughly following the logic, if one earns less than one's wife, that husband is inferior to women? People classed according to the quantity of gold they control. Nothing else.
Jannie
16th Feb 2017
6:07pm
I went to Bunnings in Epping Melbourne on Sunday to buy the usual sausage in bread treat, I was shocked to see the sign stated halal sausages. Now you tell me who is discriminated against here??? It is time for all to stand up and do something, how I do not know because if we speak up we are called racist. Here in Roxburgh Park I have no choice when it comes to buying meat, the stores selling halal and no other are, Coles, Safeway, Hungry Jacks and McDonalds not sure about KFC. Sorry folks but we do not have a choice anymore, we are becoming the minority. I am intimidated on a daily basis when driving or shopping, we are living in a lawless state......... Muslims are breading ten fold and they are the ones wanting hand outs from the government, why should this be happening. A royal commission needs to be acted on by exposing what refugees, illegals, new comers, and what funds are being sent overseas, we cannot help the whole world...... WAKE UP AUSTRALIA.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:06pm
xenophobic rubbish
Attila
16th Feb 2017
11:16pm
So true Jannie....
I wrote to BEGA CHEESE and asked why all their products are Halal.
They said because we are in the minority that most people these days in Australia demand Halal.
I can understand if we need to produce some Halal for export to the Asian countries. But it looks if firms like BEGA are not caring about the person in the street shopping in our own supermarkets anymore.
As for you Mikecrook I think you need to wake up yourself asap!
Rainey
17th Feb 2017
7:53am
mike crook can't say anything intelligent. Has to rely on repeating two meaningless words.

We are paying for Halal, and that's WRONG. If people want Sharia law and Halal certification, let them live in Muslim countries. Leave us to enjoy the culture we inherited from a generation willing to fight and sacrifice for freedom and the right to tell immigrants ''Be Australian, or go home.''

Sharia Law and Halal certification have no place here, and neither do face-coverings that put our safety at risk. We'll do things their way in their country. They should do things our way in ours. And we should have the guts to demand respect and to protect what our forefathers fought to build.
Jannie
17th Feb 2017
10:29am
Mike crook look at the big picture and go to areas where muslims are the majority see how you feel then. Most people are not exposed to real life so turn a blind eye as to what is actually happening out in the burbs. I live in a highly muslim populated area and I am the minority and therefore am forced into buying halal and living in fear due to the lawlessness in the area. It is out of control already so too late Australia to do much about it. The muslims are out breeding us due to the many wives they have, and all on social security bringing in big bucks driving around in Mercedes BM's and 4WD's with big bull bars that damage our cars in carparks. Come to Roxburgh Park you will be shocked............................
Brissiegirl
16th Feb 2017
8:56pm
Well it’s now reported by Caroline Overington of The Australian that Australian mug taxpayers funded Q & A activist Abdel-Magied’s travel tour of repressive Arab countries. At last a MSM journalist has displayed the integrity to trace down and tell all about money allocated for a tour of countries where women are subjugated and the belief systems are opposite to everything Australia stands for. Yes folks it reads very much like we fools stumped up the money. And the ABC gives a platform to someone who is reported as having travelled to these countries on our money, and now tells us in all sincerity that islam is the most feminist of religions. So who authorised this expenditure?
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
9:05pm
dont believe anything you read in the Australian, it dances to the Murdoch fandango.
Brissiegirl
16th Feb 2017
10:30pm
If the story is correct, and unless you mikecrook can provide evidence it is not, then heads need to roll. It's bad enough that the biased ABC is funded by taxpayers - even worse that one of its "celebrities" has been taxpayer funded on such a nonsensical jaunt.
mikecrook
16th Feb 2017
11:16pm
sadly the ABC has become biased, but not to the left, with representatives of the IPA, Murdoch press and other right wing zealots regularly appearing it is clear that Shiers and Alston did the job they there to do, destroy the credibility of the ABC. They even quote form the murdoch press every morning, a clear breach of the ABC charter which prohibits promotion of commercial enterprises. When the ABC was emasculated, sensible debate in this country ended.
Frank
17th Feb 2017
7:37am
mikecrook, it takes years (decades) for a cultural change to occur in an organisation like the ABC especially after they were encouraged to run amok during 6 years of labor. If you think their reporting has become balanced after a couple of years then that is a remarkable achievement by any standards.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:47am
Oh, I don't know.. I thought it was pretty balanced bringing in Lambie to put the other viewpoint as vociferously as Jassmin.... and I clearly recall during the Labor years that the ABC was pretty savage on Labor politicians.....

I think you are dreaming again, Frank, and like so many others are accepting a very stupid and narrow-minded view put about by the 'parties of the right' as a means of chopping off the balls of the ABC so as to curtail genuine inquiry and commentary on political balls-ups .... even though it is a hotbed of women presenters.... and possibly so as to engineer the opportunity to sell the ABC off.
Frank
20th Feb 2017
10:17am
Look, I dislike the ABC, and this may surprise you Trebor but my reasons are simple. It's full of offsiders, insiders and outsiders attempting to exert political power. Sure there are many programmes without a political overtone but on the whole it's a Public Service you would expect in Russia. The ABC has no kahulies, they are unpatriotic and stacked with pseudo intellectuals to which others like to acknowledge some sort of commonality. I have studied the ABC for almost a decade. In general, it is biased to the left. The reasons for this are simple. presenters and journos are lefties! So too are a higher proportion of Public Servants. When you combine both of those occupations it provides fertile ground for a left leaning culture. My guess is that you could apply the Pareto Rule and assume 80% are lefties. Very easy to pick them too. I've seen news presenters make snide little anti government remarks before signing off. That's ok if they are pitching to that audience but it happens with far too much regularity for me to want to pay for it. Trebor you please yourself, but your demeaning remarks are indicative of the targeted viewers.
The ABC has grown too big. It costs us too much. It is not profit generating. It should be sold, then we would not care what they do or say against our government, would we?
Misty
20th Feb 2017
7:13pm
I think the only reason Frank doesn't like the ABC is because it doesn't always conform with his political views, I wonder if he has the same feeling about the Daily Telegraph?.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
7:18pm
Mikecrook. So enlighten me as to which newspaper(s) is telling the truth. You seem to have all the answers.
Frank
21st Feb 2017
9:58am
Misty, the DT in general is a load of rubbish. There are a couple of good journos and they have a good sports section. But they haven't been garnishing my salary to produce it over the years so I don't really care much for it. They do what they like and if readers like that then they buy it. If they don't give readers what they want then the Tele will not exist. So why worry? Meanwhile more and more of my taxes are being sent to the ABC so I expect a higher standard from them. Try and see through the mist?
Misty
21st Feb 2017
11:30pm
I can see quite clearly thank you Frank, but again I say to both you and Brissiegirl, that the reason you are biased against the ABC is because it tells the truth and your side of politics just can't take that. The ABC has shown storie that also show the bad side of Labor and also many independents but you don't hear any of them complaining about bias do you.
niemakawa
16th Feb 2017
11:18pm
Most definitely they should, islam is in total conflict with the values of the West.
Fair Dinkum
17th Feb 2017
9:03am
There are only a small portion of Muslims here according to you but they are slowly working there way into our system example getting into politics filtering into top government positions and businesses this is how they do it . It will take time but if we don't do something about it now Shari law and Islam will will take over. Jacky ,Pauline , and a couple of others can can see this . Why is it when we object to the Muslims ways we are called raciest but they say what they like against us and this is ok god forbid we need to clamp down on theses welfare leaches. I welcome those that don't want to change how system and assimilate into our way of life get rid of those burkas that may hide all sorts of things and scare our small children
Attila
18th Feb 2017
12:18pm
Yes that is how the minority start to take over a country by representation in the various levels of government. Look at what has happened to Fiji! If you go to the Immigration Dept and wait and wait for attendance you hardly ever come across anyone that is not Indian. This first became noticeable in 1993 when my husband wanted to bring his parents from the UK to live here. Being questioned by an Indian who probably had been here all of 5 years asking questions about our background is not on. He eventually did get his elderly parents out here, but not before having to pay several thousand dollars bond. [he got the money back years later] Yes that is what it costs to bring parents to live their lives out here with the family. But as taxpayers we are funding many Muslim families with unemployment benefits and free housing. But having to pay for our own parents to live here to get a visa. That is what it was like, back then. Not sure if things have improved or got worse???
JAID
17th Feb 2017
11:29am
Yassmin Abdel-Mageid put about the gentlest spin on what Sharia Law is that would be possible. In truth it is a different thing in almost all different jurisdictions and that may be the form she was simplifying.

A rough oversight world-wide shows that it might be as minor an influence as a note indicating relevance somewhere in the legal codes to an almost wholly religious administration of codes and justice.

It is completely reasonable for any secular society to react against any pressure or interest in insinuating any religious motive or more particularly religious administration into its laws as this is contrary to core notions of liberty and justice in those societies. At the same time, at that core and a primary purpose for the secular form lies the liberty to practice any religion the owners of the society, the people, may individually choose.

In that light, it seems reasonable that a society incarcerate or deport any who seek to forcefully impose religious law on others but it seems also a gross distortion of the values of a secular society to demand that people do not practice or live their own lives according to their religion where that practice does not impact others.

In many jurisdictions Sharia comes down to a bundle of precepts relating to family law. This may at times be harder to deal with. We should be open-minded enough to be sure we do not demand compliance where individuals freely align with goals perhaps limiting their own personal rights accordingly simply because it may be unnusual to the wider society. We do have a duty to ensure that free will is truly exercised and I think we have a right to rule as an entire society in relation in matters relating to bestiality, children, age of consent, numbers of spouses, right to die, time when a foetus becomes legally human and even sexuality. That, even where we as a society may have a bit of growing up afoot.
Old Geezer
17th Feb 2017
12:39pm
I can remember growing up that women were classed as second class citizens even here in Australia. Heaven forbid the women who disobeyed her husband. If a woman got married she had to give up her job immediately. Some women chose to not get married to continue working but society shunned then as living in sin.

Even today women still do not have equal rights to men in our society. Some think they have but it is not the case.
Rainey
17th Feb 2017
2:27pm
Women had SUPERIOR rights for long time, until this stupid ''liberation'' crap imprisoned them as work slaves! Goodness, my aunts loved being stay-at-home Mums. What a great life that was! And their menfolk respected and appreciated them.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:53am
How so, OG? They didn't get to vote? Spend money? They were part of a socio-economic unit called a 'family' that paid its way through a fair division of labour, and which went out of its way to protect women and children at home, rather than forcing them into the mines and factories and servitude from an age as young as seven.

Not so long ago in Western Australia, many were indentured servants, along with their families, and might be lucky to receive some vegetables occasionally as well as their minute pay and sustenance.

The attitude of 'master and servant' persists to this day in this nation, is nowhere more evident than in the political sphere, and is an abomination in the eyes of humanity.
Rainey
17th Feb 2017
2:29pm
Guess it's xenophobic to report that Jackie Lambie was threatened with beheading. Thanks all you folk who support more Muslim immigration. I hope YOU get one of these letters soon.

The letter to Lambie warns that “you are the enemy of Islamic State, therefore, I will take the honor in beheading you.” It includes graphic images of a man having his head sliced off by a knife.

Can we charge all of you with being accessories when the first beheading takes place?
Old Geezer
17th Feb 2017
4:34pm
So Rainey you blame all Muslims because of the act of one extremist. It would not surprise me that that extremist was a home grown one too.
Patriot
17th Feb 2017
4:47pm
OG,
Look at France, Germany, Sweden etc.

MANY EXTREMISTS!!!!
niemakawa
17th Feb 2017
5:15pm
All muslims are a serious threat to non-muslims. They live by their laws, disrespect anyone who are not followers of islam, a drain on the public purse wherever they live in Western societies. The most serious threat though is from our own Government and other pro-islam parties, especially Laor/Greens, as they want Australia to become an islamic state. Be wary of the enemy within. The islamic agenda is pushed hard in Western Europe despite the real concerns of the European people. France has been under full terrorists alert since the Charlie Hedbro attack. Sweden has fallen to islam. Germany under Merkel has been destroyed by her infamous open door policy. She allowed more than 1 million young fit mostly muslim men in to Germany, without consultation with her own party or the people. France and Holland have elections this year and I pray and hope that LePenn and Wilders are voted in. Britain through the Brexit have been given a life line. 2 million muslims live in the capital London. There are approximately 2000 mosques scattered across the land. The mayors of London and Birmingham (Englands's second largest city) are muslim. There have been petitions to for the muslim call-of-prayer to be allowed in mosques. The Government did not dismiss it entirely but through the problem to the local councils to decide. Well I can assure you most London councils are controlled by muslims.

islam has no place in the West.
Jannie
17th Feb 2017
11:13pm
My theory is that the muslims want to claim Australia as theirs and therefore a major terrorist attack will not occur for fear of repercussions. It will take years for this take over to happen, they are already infiltrating the media, government departments, local councils and large corporations eg Australia Post. They are breeding like rabbits and most are on social welfare.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
3:53am
Janine you maybe right, but they can only do it with the help of the Australian Government. The vast majority of Australians do not want further immigration of muslims to this country. They know full well that if the Government of the day persist with doing so, then it will only hasten the transfer of power to islam. The political will is not there to stop it but more so the Libs/Lab/Greens have no intention of doing so. It will be up to the people to decide.
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:55am
Do you wish to accept a visit from an uncleared Muslim, on the off chance that he may be the one intent on beheading you, OG?

I thought not.......
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
12:58am
Niemie - how do you go about blaming the Labor/Greens group, when the 'other side' is doing the exact same thing? I've long stated that we suffer under the yoke of a 'tag team' of 'right' and 'left' politics here.... not the thickness of a cigarette paper between the two in reality when the Sheisenhower they put out actually hits the ground and all underneath... like any plane crash, it doesn't discriminate over who is underneath it....
niemakawa
19th Feb 2017
1:03am
TREBOR. an extract from my post.

"The most serious threat though is from our own Government and other pro-islam parties, especially Laor/Greens"
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
2:20am
OK - settled. All 'parties' are responsible in some measure... now it is time for them to sort it out.
Patriot
19th Feb 2017
8:45am
TREBOR,
Don't think it is quite as "Simple as That".
YES, The BAstards have "SOLD US OUT"!!!!!!

I think WE MUST "Sort the Parties Out" in order to ensure (FORCE) THEY sort IT out.
Sad enough, Me think: "Ain't going to be Pretty".

We "have been asleep at the wheel" and MUST take ownership of the lack of "Due Diligence" applied by us towards OUR Elected Representatives

WE - the People - also MUST take ownership of the MESS we're in.

Otherwise, IF the Pollies WERE to sort things out, WE'D "Just go back to sleep" as before and the same situation would develop once again!

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

George Washington
buby
19th Feb 2017
10:08am
My theory is that the muslims want to claim Australia as theirs and therefore a major terrorist attack will not occur for fear of repercussions. It will take years for this take over to happen, they are already infiltrating the media, /////
Yes Janine, this has been a thought of mine for quiet some time,
and they are very experienced at taking over countries bit by bit.

I mean its all there for one to read on the internet, you just have to take the time to read it. Its all taking place overseas, Britain is overrun, but taking over.
Norway is overrun, my friend over there has even stopped her grandchildren from going to school, they get home schooled, cause their system so stuffed.
Where does it end??
NO sharia law here, I say. But me thinks they still doing it UNder covers!!
buby
19th Feb 2017
10:13am
We "have been asleep at the wheel" and MUST take ownership of the lack of "Due Diligence" applied by us towards OUR Elected Representatives


Yes indeed you are right Patriot.
they have been very blase'
Old Geezer
17th Feb 2017
10:21pm
Worth a look.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12745989_1290169534333304_6204099066304212672_n.jpg?oh=7ce9a03d11b9e2c45d154fa1851c26b6&oe=594959A0
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
4:01am
The following is an extract from Breibart News. Are things really any different in Australia, of course not.
Quote
Czech president Miloš Zeman believes Muslim migrants should stay in their home countries and work, not come to Europe and claim benefits.
Czech online magazine Parlamentní Listy reports the president as saying he has “nothing against immigrants who come here to work and who have similar language and similar culture like ours”, citing the Ukrainians and Vietnamese in the country as communities which were not creating issues.

“I do not want immigrants who come from other cultures who come for social benefits, not because of work,” he continued. “Muslims should remain in the countries where they live [and] they should work in them, and they should not go to Europe, where they do not want to work.”

Zeman also commented that “Islam is based on contempt for women”, echoing his 2016 remarks that “in the Qur’an, women [are] something like the inferior part of mankind”.

In Germany, which has absorbed more migrants than any other European Union (EU) member state after Chancellor Angela Merkel issued an open invitation to them in unlimited numbers, reports suggest only 34,000 new arrivals have found work. 975,000 are said be claiming benefits.

The president’s spokesman, Ji?í Ov?á?ek, made headlines in January 2017 for defending U.S. President Donald J. Trump’s executive order on ‘Protecting the Nation from Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals’. The executive order was designed to temporarily prohibit nationals from seven states identified as “countries of concern” and all asylum seekers entering the U.S., allowing time for a thorough review of the refugee vetting process to be conducted.

“Trump protects his country,” Ov?á?ek tweeted. “He’s concerned with the safety of his citizens. Exactly what EU elites do not do.”

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Frank
18th Feb 2017
11:52am
The Chancellor is asking a lot of her voting taxpayers. You touch on those Muslim immigrants who are not working but the situation for existing workers becomes much worse when the country is overrun by workers who will work for low wages. If it were to happen in Australia we could very well see the end of unions, as low paid workers take the jobs from financially committed hard working nationals already battling rising interest rates.
Gee Whiz
18th Feb 2017
11:14am
Right on the money,mogo51. Couldn't agree more.

And we aren't the only country in the world who has had enough of Muslim immigration because of their attempted take over of that country's social and religious structure.
Attila
18th Feb 2017
12:25pm
What is so disturbing about this whole debate is many of you do not know the difference between one sect and another. You are all falling into the trap of calling a Muslim a Muslim.
How many of you here on this site are RC? How many of you are Methodist? How many of you are C of E, how many of you are Seventh Day Adventist, how many of you are Mormon? How many of you are Jehovah Witness?
Having said that. How many of you would object to be taken for another's different denomination? Say a Catholic, how would you like being taken for a Jehovah Witness or visa versa? So it is with the Muslim Faith.
I am C of E, but have while in the UK in the 60s many very nice Muslim friends.
What I am saying you cannot Tar everyone with the same brush!
Personally I do not like the Shia or Sunni. As I have written before they hate each others guts and have since the 7th century. Not all Muslims are horrible.
Frank
18th Feb 2017
12:49pm
Ann, it is easy to misunderstand Islam because it is not a monolithic religion and its 2 billion followers have various interpretations which muddies the water even more. This is precisely why we should proceed with caution. There exists a Trojan horse within all this confusion and it is well known that we are all horse lovers. So I challenge those among you, who have the ability to separate emotion from logic, and those who also have a strong desire to leave a thriving country for our children, proceed with caution.
Patriot
18th Feb 2017
12:55pm
Ann,
I like your philosophy and have similar attitudes towards people in general.
I know that there is the "Good & Bad' and by doing what most of us are suggesting we - to a certain extend - shower some of the Good with Bad vibes.

I have only ONE problem: "How the Hell do you distinguish the "Good from the Bad" before they are here in Australia???
Because, the problem is, once they're IN, its becomes a real problem to get them OUT!!!!
As the Syrian President said in a recent interview: "It does not take many of the BADIES to create HELL"!!!

So, in my opinion, the Good will have to convert the Bad (to become Good) in their own countries and learn to become happy there. In other words, they MUST learn to Co-Exist in their own Birth Place!!!

NO STUFFING UP of AUSTRALIA please!!!!!
Rainey
18th Feb 2017
1:42pm
Ann, a man I know belonged to an association in which the majority wanted to achieve a particular worthy objective and ONE MEMBER wanted to thwart their campaign and achieve something different. It appeared to my friend that this guy's motive was corrupt. The dishonesty, bullying, lying and manipulation that went into his campaign was astonishing, but eventually he managed to sway almost the entire group. Those he didn't sway dropped out or were kicked out. It appears he will achieve his goal, which is entirely BAD for the group and the community. He has significant support now among community members who have no idea of the real issue and have been thoroughly deceived. This is what happens. When a small group of evil people want to infiltrate a society, they come in and gradually they influence good people to support evil objectives. These good people don't support evil knowingly, but they are misled.

We have seen this in other countries. If we want to stop it here, we have to stand firm against Muslim immigration. Yes, there are good Muslims, just as there are evil Christians. But let's learn from nations that are already experiencing problems. What we are currently doing is looking at their woes and saying ''Well, hasn't happened here yet, so let's wait until it does''! Would be far smarter to say ''Let's act now to be sure it doesn't.''

Jackie Lambie has been threatened. Muslims are saying they will behead her - and the offenders aren't in prison (where they belong). That should be enough to frighten all thinking Australians into supporting a demand that we exclude Muslims - for our own protection. There may well be good people among them. Let them go somewhere else and be good people, because they can't give us any guarantees, and without guarantees, our best course is to play it safe.
JAID
18th Feb 2017
7:42pm
Patriot said: "...As the Syrian President said in a recent interview: "It does not take many of the BADIES to create HELL"!!!..."

:-) Patriot, you think maybe that Bashar al-Assad was thinking only of himself?
Patriot
18th Feb 2017
7:58pm
JAID,

NO.

Neither do I believe the ABSOLUTE PROPAGANDA that is/was emitted from the WAR-Mongering USofA.
Trump is Correct. The Main Stream media are the FAKE NEWS & LIARS!!!!!

The USofA & Australia are in Syria totally ILLEGALLY and against the Geneva Convention.
Russia was invited and is there legally.

Syria MUST be "Won by the USA & Western Empire" builders as there is Much OIL at stake and a pipeline also.

The Mayhem (ISIS) was created by the EVIL American empire which should be "held Accountable" for the atrocities committed in Syria, in Iraq & Libya
TREBOR
19th Feb 2017
1:03am
Gore Vidal stated on late night television that "All mainstream media is propaganda"..... I guess you needed to be a night owl to see it... same as the parachute descending on Night One of Desert Storm II, which showed boots and all, and the Allies said they had lost no aircraft, or Wee Johnnie Howard saying that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in the first few days had 'died for a good cause'.....

There are benefits to being a night owl....
Attila
18th Feb 2017
1:04pm
Frank hi.
I am the last person to want to stuff up the country.
But surely we can be selective upon the Application of Entry into Australia?
Isn't that what is happening with the people that are in detention and are going to the USA?

The onus is on the Politicians to write the Application so we can be selective.

What do you think of the Aga Khan and his followers please? You are obviously well read.
Frank
18th Feb 2017
6:58pm
I would like to believe that since we got rid of Labor, Unions and Greens coupled with a cleanout in the Immigration Dept., that our problem has diminished. However, we can quite quickly return to those bad old days. What do I think of the Aga Khan? Which one? What's your view Ann? You seem to know quite a good deal on historical events.
Attila
18th Feb 2017
9:41pm
Hi Frank.
Just wrote a reply to you and then lost it!!! ggrrr...LOL

Prince Karim Khan most of you will probably know by the antics of his late father who was a playboy! His grandfather in his Will selected not to leave his position of Aga Khan to Prince Ally Khan, who was the husband of Rita Hayworth. But to his grandson Prince Karim who today is the Aga Khan and has been since the age of 20.
He is a Shia, and from what I have read, [over the last 50 years] is much more western in his outlook/thinking and dress. He spends most of his time from what I gather helping others less fortunate and likes to education his people.
But please make up your own minds.
I think it a great pity one of our Prime Ministers has not invited him to Australia to talk. Unless I blinked......

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_IV

Also

ismailignosis.com/2015/08/02/the-secret-life-of-the-aga-khan

He is often seen with HM socializing as he is very much westernized and loves horses.

Now to go and cook dinner!!
Frank
19th Feb 2017
4:34pm
Ann, is it a good idea to cook dinner at 10pm? There is much hypocrisy because it is rewarded. What do you think would be the benefit of a public visit by the Aga Khan?
Attila
18th Feb 2017
1:16pm
Hi Patriot.
I feel we need to be more selective when we vote a politician into power to represent us. I don't think the average person takes their vote seriously enough. Some people just vote for one Party because that is what dad did or that is what my husband has asked me to do.
I am walking on egg shells here I know, but don't you think that we give too many politicians the vote without knowing too much about them?
Filtering the people that come to Australia is what we need to do now if I am reading correctly most of the post here on this site. The only way to do that is to be very selective in ones vote at Election time.
WA where we live, is coming up to an Election. Quite frankly I don't like either of the people that are standing so far in our Electorate.
That is State, but when it comes to a Federal Election I think we need to be even more selective.

I certainly don't want the continuation of the issues we have been talking about here.
But hasn't the horses stable already been opened? Don't we need to have more selective Politicians putting in place more selective Legislation. We can only do that by being selective with our Vote of the Politician.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
5:13pm
Vote One Nation, if you need to be selective. The Americans made the right choice last November.
mikecrook
18th Feb 2017
4:37pm
Never seen so much hate on an online chat forum. You guys dont know much but you certainly are happy to demonise anyone that the shock jocks tell you to hate. Jesus some of you quote Hanson, Some Alan Jones, and some idiot even quotes Breitbart. Step back a little, take a deep breath and remember that if you love something you dont have to destroy something else to protect it, that way lies totalitarianism and madness. Dont add to the worlds woes, try and get and spread some joy, you never know you might become a better, less ignorant person.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
4:51pm
I suggest you go and spout your rhetoric and these "virtues" to the muslims, they are the hateful ones and totally ignorant. They alone are the causing all the problems in the West. You seem to be ignorant of this fact.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
4:53pm
Also you should read RT News another very reliable source of truthful news.
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
4:53pm
Also you should read RT News another very reliable source of truthful news.
Patriot
18th Feb 2017
7:29pm
News Just at hand,
Saudi Arabia - a Muslim country - just evicted 40 thousand
Pakistanies Citing Terror Fears #Islamophobia.

Why are they OK for such actions and are we vilified to have our opinions???????

http://pamelageller.com/2017/02/saudi-arabia-deports-40000-muslims.html/
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
7:37pm
Patriot. Western Governments are far too liberal, they do not understand the serious threat that terrorism poses to their citizens. Most ME countries, if not all, have not taken any muslim "refugees" from Syria or the African continent for the exact same reason. Not a word of criticism from the MSM on that issue.
Banjo
18th Feb 2017
10:00pm
THANK YOU MIKECROOK

for your sensible, honest and totally spot on post of 18th Feb @ 4.37PM
Attila
18th Feb 2017
8:44pm
The site below is of interest to those that would like to understand what is really the problem in the Middle East, as I have been saying. Civil war between the Sunni and Shia Muslims. They have been hating each other since 7th century.

yourmiddleeast.com/features/shia-and-sunni-muslims-do-you-know-the-difference_16339
niemakawa
18th Feb 2017
11:38pm
Another reason to curtail muslim immigration. They will bring their hatred with them. In some areas this is quite evident and is happening here in Australia. Multiculturalism has not been successful anywhere, first understand what it means. Multiracial societies should be encouraged not multiculturalism. islam is the preferred type of politics of the globalists .Governments see it as a means of control of the people, which is their one and only aim. Democracy is virtually non-existent in Western societies and it will not be too long before all social media will be scrutinised by the authorities for anti-islamic comments. In Germany, Sweden and France this is already happening. Our freedom of speech is being eroded day by day. Do something positive to stop it taking root here. There is nothing good in the political sphere of islam.
Attila
19th Feb 2017
10:20am
Trebor to answer your question from 15th Feb.
How many guys do you see change their name when they get married?
Most women when they married RC had to change to RC from their form of Christianity.
This is one of the reasons we women are fed up in a world were men insist upon their own way.
Males seem to think here in Australia their sons should carry their name. Why?
Read up about the Portuguese Christian customs! We are talking about multicultural societies. It may surprise you, it did me 45 odd years ago.
The surnames, family names whatever you wish to call it, are blended together.
For instance if Mr Smith married a Ms Jones. The children would bear the name
Smith-Jones.

You see heaps of silly sheilas converting to Islam to marry a Muslim, and then finding out in many cases what a nightmare it turns out to be - you don't see many Muslim guys converting to Christianity to marry a Christian girl....

(sighs - and women want to run this country)..................
JAID
19th Feb 2017
12:23pm
The individual not the religion.

Despite perhaps having reasonably broad experience and being reasonably bright I cannot see that any religion does more than provide a narrative as a crutch so that unfathomable questions don't create an insatiable itch in the incurious. A blindfold. It may be an understandable step in history but I cannot see how doing that can be anything but injurious to the future.

In other words, the only wonder in any religion is that we so idiotically follow them. Certainly, some religions may be more injurious than others just as some people are. Observance varies but observance of some kind predominates presently. As every allegience varies it is the individual who should be valued for contribution to the community not the religion.

If we could see into people en masse seeing their differences we would be severely embarrased in having treated so many as part of a herd.
Boof
19th Feb 2017
12:52pm
NO MORE MULIMS. WE INFIDELS HAVE TOO MANY TO CONTEND WITH NOW. PEOPLE WHO WILL NEV ER INTERGRATE & ONLY WANT TO CHANGE OUR WAY OF LIVING.
Boof
19th Feb 2017
1:00pm
BAN THE FACE COVERINGS TOO. 100%
niemakawa
19th Feb 2017
6:25pm
According to the comments posted here I would say it is a fair assessment that the majority do not want anymore muslim immigrants in Australia. Taking this to the wider community the results would be very similar. So it is up to the people to vote for a political party that can deliver on what the majority of people want. Do not leave it up to Libs/Lab/Greens they have already shown their true colours and all have no intention of stopping or even reducing muslim immigration.
JAID
20th Feb 2017
11:20am
:-) on the numbers niemakawa, there is no doubt a majority of white headed digital respondents here prefer an end (or reduction) of muslim immigration.

If you are correct across the community then, the right to tighten up borders selectively would clearly be within our democratic prevail. Democratic wishes deserve respect. That doesn't make it an approach which good, humane leadership shouldn't attempt to deter us from.
Misty
20th Feb 2017
11:33am
And today we hear of a Public School allowing a rule for Muslim boys that is they do not have to shake the hand of the woman handing out awards at a school function, THIS SORT OF DIVISION SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN PUBLIC IN AUSTRALIA, IS IT PART OF THE kORAN OR JUST A MADE UP LAW, does anyone know?.
Frank
20th Feb 2017
11:59am
"It is better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you."
I don't know if boys should be thinking this way? How old are these boys?
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
12:06pm
Jaid please explain what you mean, in plain English, by the term" white headed digital respondents". Do you believe that Islam has good humane leadership?
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
12:07pm
Simple solution,
Gather up the families of these boys and those families who support them.
Export them back to where they came from and ban them from ever entering Australia again!!!!!

This is OUR Country, OUR customs
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
12:14pm
Misty, I am not aware of any legal precedent for shaking hands, it is merely a long-standing custom in our society. The principal of the public school obviously does not respect our customs either. He/she should have been more consistent by informing the muslim boys that as they are not prepared to follow our customs then their awards will not be handed out to them in public. They will receive them in the post or by some other means outside the public domain. Again this is another case of the intolerance of muslims. The Principal too tolerant of the intolerant. Yes it is part of the teachings of the islamic ideology.
Frank
20th Feb 2017
12:15pm
JAID, it's good to have a Muslim point of view. Thank you for having the courage to join in.
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
12:17pm
niemakawa,
In the country where I was born we have a saying: "Soft hearted surgeon leave Festering & Stinking wounds".

NO OPTIONS - SHIP THEM BACK!!!!!
JAID
20th Feb 2017
12:34pm
:-) Hello Niemakawa,
I thought the answer might be obvious. Any of us here that are not white headed should be congratulated on their genes, or their worry free existence.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
12:39pm
Jaid had it been obvious I would not have asked for an explanation. So say what you mean without being obtuse. So again ask you. Also you did not answer the second part of my comment. Be truthful.
JAID
20th Feb 2017
12:40pm
:-) And very kind of you to say so too Frank. No, I am very much 18th century immigrant blood. I can't purport that every gallon was free on arrival but once with the taste of freedom there is no turning back...thus the comment (perhaps along with a little interest in winding a few up a bit)
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
12:42pm
JAID,
Skin colour is totally UNIMPORTANT to me - and I hope & trust - to all of us expressing opinions on this forum.

As an Import myself, I believe that it is of VITAL importance that NEW Australians contribute to the cohesiveness of our Communities rather than promote divisiveness via forcing acceptance of ALIEN customs totally unacceptable to to the general population.

We - as any other country - have adequate problems without creating new ones!!!
JAID
20th Feb 2017
12:55pm
I imagine you now know that I meant us by white-haired so that leaves the second part of your question Niemakawa. As with any here my comments read together. in an earlier note on this thread I declared that i have no taste for any religion. I think they are all detrimental crutches that no one needs and all would be better without. At the same time the liberty to follow any deluded religion is one which I will stand up for just as my relatives and grandparents have done.

With that view, how could I ever think that a religious leadership of any kind is "good" even if some may show a flicker of "humanity."

The day humanity throws its religious shackles will be the day we take the blinkers off. Meanwhile, we need to treat each as an individual...as all see past the inanities of whatever their religion in ways great or small.
JAID
20th Feb 2017
1:00pm
Hello Patriot,

Perhaps you refer to my 18th Century immigrant blood comment. That comment was intended to serve a few purposes but is misleading as it could only mean "white." That is also the colour t I happen to be. I applaud your comment, 'blood' or the colour it may transmit is completely superflous to any rational human thought and should be equally so to any prediliction.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
1:01pm
Jaid you actually used the term white-headed not white-haired. So you actually mean the latter. Ok now I understand. My hair is not white BTW. As for the other part of my question I understand that firstly you consider islam a religion and secondly one worth standing up for.
JAID
20th Feb 2017
1:07pm
No you didn't read the words niemakawa.

Yes I consider Islam a religion

No I would never stick up for it, or, any other religion,

But I will stick up for you as an individual whether you are Christian, Buddhist, Moslem, Jewish, Hindu or whatever...until you prove that you don't deserve protection...as an individual.
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
1:17pm
JAID,
Religions require: "One to have FAITH" which means acceptance of ideas and actions which are not supported by "Facts & Logic".
As per this definitions ALL religions - indeed - become "Strong Rooms with impenetrable locks" and - as such - take away FREEDOM, GROWTH & CREATIVITY of the individual human being.

We become slaves who do not even recognise & understand that we are "Merely Serving the Elite".

Notwithstanding the above, every one should be allowed freedom of religious beliefs and receive respect!
AS LONG AS THEIR BELIEFS DO NOT Restrict the "Freedom & Dignity" other individuals who do not support their faith.

Once such attitudes are in place we have the opportunity to (re)build a free & dignified society where ALL can grow & be happy.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
1:21pm
Patriot your words "AS LONG AS THEIR BELIEFS DO NOT Restrict the "Freedom & Dignity" other individuals who do not support their faith"

This describes islamic ideology very well. islam is an oppressive regime no other way to describe it.
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
1:46pm
niemakawa,
Islam is the same as christianity and has different STREAMs'. Not every stream is agressive and demands that those who live around them accept their FAITH or ELSE!!!

Take for instance Jerusalem - Before Isreal was created by the "One Worlders" in 1948 and introduced the Askanazi jews (Not real jews), Arab and Jew lived in "Peace & Harmony" and shared the same "Place of Worship".

Christianity & Islam lived together in Syria and respected on another's believes. NOW come the Yanks with their "Regime Change" demands and in order to create the conditions which COULD enable this goal, the create/fuel ISIS and "LO & Behold" we have the disaster as we currently have it!

Dictators in Libya & Iraq kept the different "STREAMS" of Islam "In Check".
This was not good enough for the Yanks & NATO and - as a consequence - they bombed the CRAP out of these countries and created the situation as it currently stands.
In the process they killed MILLIONS of innocent people!!
So, WHO ARE THE WAS CRIMINALS!?!?!?!?!?!?

After all of that: "We MUST restrict (to ZERO) immigration of islam as it is impossible to assess how they will react once they have "Gained Entry" and the problem to remove those who WILL NOT with Australian Philosophy, MUST be PREVENTED ENTRY &/OR REMOVED.

Situations like France, Germany, UK & Sweden MUST be PREVENTED. NO RISKS!!!!!!
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
5:58pm
Patriot, Jaid, Misty

An extract from the article below:

I am disgusted that taxpayers’ money was used to fund this “trip”. Now muslims DEMANDING an apology for not silencing Jackie Lambie. Says it all really about islam.

I say no more muslim immigrants in Australia, they cause trouble wherever they set foot. islam has no place in our society.


http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2017/02/bishops-dfat-paid-for-qanda-celebrity-muslim-yasmin-magieds-islamic-book-promotion-tour.html

“The federal government paid for activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied to tour some of the world’s most repressive Islami­c regimes last Novem­be­r, promoting her book about being a Sudanese-Egypt­ian-Australian Muslim woman who wears the hijab.

The tour, which included stops in Saudi Arabia, where women are flogged for adultery and are not permitted to drive, was funded by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, which declined yesterday to reveal the cost.

Ms Abdel-Magied, who sat next to Malcolm Turnbull at the Iftar dinner for Muslim leaders held at Kirribilli House last year to celebrate the end of Ramadan, made headlines this week when, as a guest on the ABC’s Q&A program, she describe­d Islam as “the most femin­ist” of all relig­ions.

Her statement was rejected by a fiery senator Jacqui Lambie, who argued that those countries where sharia informs the law are some of the most violently mis­ogynistic places on earth.

A group of 49 Muslim scholars are now demanding an apology from the ABC for not silencing Senator Lambie, saying the prog¬ram host, Tony Jones, failed to provide a “safe environment” for Ms Abdel-Magied to speak.”
Misty
20th Feb 2017
7:24pm
niemakawa I have written to the NSW Education Minister telling him how appalled I was on hearing about this ban on boys in public schools of the Muslim faith not shaking hands with the person presenting awards, I now await a reply. Maybe you could also send an email with your suggestion that they receive their awards seperately and in private so as not to insult the female presenter.
Misty
20th Feb 2017
11:34am
I think we have enough here already.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
12:25pm
Yes your thinking is correct.
Dave
20th Feb 2017
4:27pm
we are only a few years behind Europe and all their problems re failed integration
this highlights it

http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001

They will eventually out breed us then use our Democratic system to control us.

say no to the failed social experiment.
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
5:12pm
That is not only their aim but it is also the intention of many Western Governments. Control being the operative word. Merkel the German chancellor only yesterday publicly stated that Europe must take more so-called refugees. Of course they will be muslims. islam is first and foremost an ideology that encompasses every aspect of an individual's life. A political beast is another way to describe islam. Italy does not recognise islam as a religion and there are only a few mosques in that country. In Sweden, a law has been enacted that priority for public housing must be given to "immgrants" The Swedish Government in all its misguided wisdom see this as a means to integrate them more quickly into Swedish society. Not a hope in hell of that happening, the Swedish political elite know this as well, so such a move is intentional to ensure islam is the man political force in that country.The rise of politicians such as Le Penn ( France) and Wilders (The Netherlands) has come at the right time and I pray and hope that their leadership will bring about changes and put a stop to the unfettered immigration of muslims. Failure to do so will only result in civil unrest and conflict. Is that what Australians want, if not then they must give support to banning further immigration to this country. Indonesia a country of 200 million + with a predominantly muslim population is becoming more radical in its outlook, so Australia beware, there is a good chance that many muslims from that country will flee to Australia as the situation in Indonesia deteriorates. Australia needs a strong form of Government to combat an assault from the North, Libs/Lab/Greens do not come up to the mark on that score.
Patriot
20th Feb 2017
7:08pm
IF the REVOLUTION does not start soon, it'll be TOO LATE.

So. let's get "Off our Buts" and get to our Federal members of Parliament and BLAST THEM!!!!!
Misty
20th Feb 2017
8:29pm
It is things like this rule allowing Muslim boys in public schools to be allowed to not shake the hand of a female person that will send people over to Pauline Hansen and Corey Bernard' side of politics, ARE POLITICIANS TOO STUPID TO SEE THIS?.
gadsby
20th Feb 2017
11:02pm
I wonder how many people be busting their balls to emigrate to Australia if we didnt have such a generous welfare system.
Dont want to work ,go on the dole.
havent got a house ,dont worry he state will give you accomodation.
struggling to live on unemployment benefit??.simple have a few more kids.

Australia once the lucky country,fast becoming the stupid country
niemakawa
20th Feb 2017
11:17pm
Very few, if any at all. All the so-called refugees fleeing to Europe only want to live in the "rich" countries, Germany, the UK, France. They may enter Europe through a lesser country but head straight towards those aforementioned ones. Europe has made a terrible mistake, especially the German chancellor who invited more than one million young fit men, mainly muslim, to her country. Even today she persists with her maniacal policy and has recently said that Europe should take more. She doesn't stop there she insists that all other EU countries take a quota. Hungary,Poland,Czech Rep and Slovakia do not want to take any, quite rightly. The EU is now making threats to these sovereign nations that it will impose huge fines on them for every refugee they refuse to take. The EU ( Brussels) is an autocratic self indulgent organisation that wants to cenrtalise all decisions for Europe from there.

Australia has the opportunity now to avert such problems, but there is little or no political will to do so. From this I can only conclude that, as do the political elite in Europe, the main stream political parties here want our Country to become an islamic state.
Patriot
21st Feb 2017
12:32am
The same "Hidden Government" which controls the EU also controls our Pollies & those in the USofA.

The CRIMINAL BANKSTER GANG!!!
niemakawa
21st Feb 2017
12:41am
Patriot, yes that is true. Of course now that Mr Trump is the POTUS, the same "hidden government" will do anything it can to usurp him. I am a supporter of Mr Trump, he is not perfect but who is? He takes his job seriously though and I hope he will be successful in making the USA a better place for all Americans. Libs/Lab/Greens in Australia have betrayed us all, so who can save us? There must be a way. One Nation, ALA have their priorities and heart in the right place. Consider voting for either of them.
Patriot
21st Feb 2017
12:53am
Agree that Trump has the USofA "at heart" first & Foremost but he'll have a tough job to either do what needs to be done or to simply "Stay Alive".

Agree about Pauline! She also has her heart in the right place and enough courage to confront the rest of the Slaves with some "New & fresh ideas.

Hope that Trump "Sets Off" & triggers some "Ancient Memory" in Australians to remind them that - once - they were ALSO Independent Thinkers & Doers who did what was right rather than what they were "Told to do".

When I arrived in this country from Holland in 1970, Auz was a "Breath of fresh Air".

Lowest takes and Smallest & Most Efficient Government of just about any country!!!
They/we certainly LOST IT!!!!!
niemakawa
21st Feb 2017
1:01am
Another report on the wonders of islam. Is this type of behaviour also happening in Australia?, yes it is. islam is evil I will never accept it as a religion under any circumstances.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/20/teacher-threatened-car-bomb-new-trojan-horse-school-plot-islamise-uk-school/
inextratime
21st Feb 2017
11:44am
The punishment for apostasy from Islam is a controversial topic for Muslims living in the West and for ex-Muslims everywhere. That’s because Islam teaches that apostates are to be killed.

Would we tolerate this if it was the practice of Scientologists, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians or any other 'religion' '? C'mon Australia get real. The religion of peace ? LOL
niemakawa
22nd Feb 2017
1:42am
It is doubtful whether islam can be considered a religion as such. It has far reaching consequences for its followers and adherents and impacts on their daily lives to an extent they have no or little freedom of choice. I am certain that the religions that you mention would not be tolerated in Australia or anywhere else in the West if they had similar practices to islam. I view islam is an autocratic, authoritarian, political regime whose ideology conflicts with all others. muslims not only in Australia but all over Europe and beyond demand that their form of culture be accepted in their adoptive country. Most will not follow the laws of their host country if they override those of islam. Most have failed, intentionally I would say, to integrate into Western society and are intolerant of anyone or anything that does not conform with islam.

Successive Governments in Australia have and continue to indulge islam, so for me it is evident that this is what they want for Australia. Unless muslim immigration is stopped or contained then the inevitable will happen. The people must decide, so vote wisely if you care about your country and for the young Australians who have been brainwashed in the public education system.
Frank
23rd Feb 2017
9:28am
Those are the interesting topics that, as youngsters, we were advised to not discuss in certain circumstances.
SEX, RELIGION and POLITICS.
Is it a good idea to have all 3 in the one book of rules?
Retired
23rd Feb 2017
2:17pm
Agree with Mogo51's comment of 15 February.
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
5:02pm
An extract from the article is given below. The last paragraph sums it up well.

The matter is currently before the courts.

One Nation Senator has Pauline Hanson also weighed in to Mr Trad’s comments.

“The other day a public school said it was fine for Muslim boys to refuse to shake the hands of women,” she wrote on her Facebook page.

“Last night Keysar Trad, president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, went on The Bolt Report and said that beating women is “a last resort”.

“Did you ever imagine you would ever hear something so outrageous in this day and age?

“It seems the other major parties have their heads buried in the sand when it comes to Islam because they don’t seem to see a problem with any of this.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/muslim-leader-keysar-trad-says-violence-against-women-a-last-resort/news-story/777c5934ce2631466edc5d8f4c158685
Patriot
23rd Feb 2017
5:23pm
Niemakawa,
The other pollies DARE not to disobey their One World MASTERS!!!
Pauline has & Gets my vote
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
5:48pm
Patriot, the other pollies have sold us out and they want to complete the job - the islamisation of Australia, there is absolutely no doubt about their intentions. Those that cannot see it also have their heads firmly buried in the sand. Western Europe is at breaking point and it is only a mater of when, not if, civil unrest will break out. I pray and hope that Le Penn and Wilders gain victory in their upcoming elections. Ms Hanson for me also. God bless Australia.
Patriot
23rd Feb 2017
5:54pm
niemakawa

Talking about Europe!

http://pamelageller.com/2017/02/muslims-family-gang-rapists.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2017/02/netherlands-muslim-security-agent-suspended-accused-leaking-details-geert-wilders-locations-jihad-group.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2017/02/sweden-camels-somali-muslims.html/
Frank
23rd Feb 2017
6:19pm
As Trad explained, the physical force is only a last resort after counselling, flowers and chocolates have failed. HA HA HA. I'm sorry for laughing this is a serious matter, but this is firkin hilarious!!! This guy is a leader??? Where is Labor standing on this? Missing in action, but why? Isn't that the cruellest form of misogyny? Oh, I see its not as bad as Tony Abbott looking at Julia Gillard sideways.
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
6:34pm
Frank, Turnbull and Shorten are "converted" muslims. They want the control over people as does islam have over its adherents. Whenever they speak about democracy they mean the islamic form.
Frank
23rd Feb 2017
6:37pm
Tony Abbott stopped the boats. Can you imagine the issues we would be having today had we not voted for Abbott?
Patriot
23rd Feb 2017
6:42pm
I suppose Trad is offering his wife, family and friends to be RAPED & BEATEN Up!?!?!?!?

PREVENT THE PROBLEM RATHER THAN BE FORCED TO "STOP & RESOLVE"IT!!!

Keeping people "Out of the Country" does NOT take Physical force: "Just a STERN & DETERMINED" NO

Those who "let this CRAP happen should be "Severely Punished" as it is "Failing to protect the Sovereignty of Australia!
Frank
23rd Feb 2017
6:44pm
Youre right though, we are changing our way of life too much to accommodate a religion which is unforgiving and intolerant. They have so much influence that they can change our banking system to suit their religion. I'm a hot blooded Ozi and we like our women to have a mind of their own and be independent. We will never change!! If anyone needs counselling it is Keysar Trad and no chocolates for him!!
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
6:44pm
Frank, yes Abbott's policy worked very well. Too well for the Globalists that is one of the reasons the globalists had him replaced with Turnbull. And any news on the progress of the 50,000 + that arrived on our shores during the Labor years 2007-2013. I am sure they have all settled in well are working hard, not on benefits, and most of all integrated into the Western lifestyle. Am I right?
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
6:50pm
Patriot as I see it Australia is a Sovereign Nation in name only. The UN is actually the mastermind behind what is happening here and in other Western countries. The UN is a corrupt organisation run by autocrats. Any PM or politician who really values Australia would takes steps for Australia to leave the UN.
Patriot
23rd Feb 2017
7:06pm
niemakawa,
That is why the UN was created.
Whilst if "Looks Like this organisation is independent from prejudice, the rules governing the UN have been made so that it is PRONE to be controlled by the "One Worlders".
They - indeed - are a "Mob of Criminals" controlled by an even "Higher Ranking Mob of Criminals".

Why was not Bush stopped from illegally invading Iraq & Syria????

If Vlad Putin was NOT doing in Syria, this country would have been yet another "Failed State" at the mercy of the CRIMIBALS who created & support ISIS for their own means.

And - indeed - the UN: "Just sits Back & Relaxes"!!!!!
niemakawa
23rd Feb 2017
7:53pm
How PC has attempted to block freedom of speech. This article describes it perfectly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4251306/Political-correctness-gone-mad-writes-TREVOR-PHILLIPS.html
Misty
24th Feb 2017
12:58am
Not everyone voted for Abbott Frank, a lot of Coalition voters were very unhappy with him.
JAID
24th Feb 2017
8:34am
Hello Patriot,

It is probably true that the UN has no way of being consistently even handed. That was probably always unlikely but guaranteed when the Security Council was seen to be required. It was a very understandable practical nod coming soon after war's end where key components among the victors were aware of both, their differences and their previous necessary role.

The role of the UN prior to Iraq should have been to listen to complaints, investigate them at a pace consistent with the urgency involved, set out its requirements and should those requirements not be met, pull together arrangements or forces able to ensure that they were met. It is likely true that this type of rationality is not reasonably possible under the present set up. It is also very possible that the most democratic and humane of international decision-making may still at times act to resist change for the good. It may also promote means to subvert intentions.

We have a world that patently faces wider threats than individual or national ones. Survival itself may depend upon defining a role and mode of operation of an effective international body to deal with those. I believe that for all the negative aspects of its culture, the United Nations has stitched together a culture which can be the basis of just that combined approach to the future. It is up to us to re-imagine it or create anew.

We do have past lost opportunity to measure the new by.

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If it is possible to see the 'invasions' you talk of in this light then it is also possible to see that the actions involved as a natural consequence of the inability to communicate and sort things out in a rational and constructive international way. This is an inability we have shown from time immemorial; one that the United Nations and the League of Nations before it were an attempt to address. As it turns out these were and are as they stand insufficient attempts but that is no reason to stunt potential; urgency in building it.
Frank
24th Feb 2017
9:26am
Misty, when I say "we" voted for Abbott, I mean that in the democratic sense. I scanned through the news this morning as I often do. The headline , "Iraqi forces move into Mosul airport" held absolutely no interest to me. This 1400 year war has been raging for so long that those who fight have dehumanised themselves, similarly many others around the globe have become apathetic. However, the one thing many westerners have in common is the cry for "NOT IN MY BACKYARD." Just who will carry that message and provide commercial stability for us? Certainly not Pauline Hanson.
Misty
24th Feb 2017
10:30am
Frank that is not what the crowd on PM Live on Sky News were saying last night in Qlnd, when asked who they would vote for, the Coalition or One Nation, well One Nation got the most hands raised I am sorry to say.
Patriot
24th Feb 2017
10:36am
Frank,
Cultural stability combined with GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY will automatically deliver commercial stability and therefore viability.

This commercial Stability & Viability MAY NOT be at the "level & Direction" as demanded by the International BANKING CARTELs but the lack of GREED will rebuild communities to live with cohesive "dignity & security"!

STUFF THE BANKSTERS!!!!!
niemakawa
24th Feb 2017
1:10am
The policies of One Nation. Take time to read them.

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies
HKW
24th Feb 2017
9:13am
As everyone can see from the attitude of this Muslim woman as she presented herself shouting down Jackie Lambie it is clear that's this is to be expected sooner or later as a norm. They will most certainly try to impose their laws on us and change our civilization that we have built over the years as White Australians. We must not allow this to happen! Please follow the independent media and check what they did to France and Sweden. France is almost dead. https://youtu.be/a0Hsqe6g_4U

Now check out his below: http://www.smh.com.au/video/video-news/video-world-news/swedens-female-politicians-called-out-for-wearing-hijab-20170214-4qk8e.html
Is that what majority of Australian women wish for? No!
No minority is going to dictate me their culture!!!
niemakawa
24th Feb 2017
9:25am
Absolutely. The majority, I would dare say, 80-90% of the population ,do not want any more muslim immigration to this country. Yet most still vote for the same old tired parties, Lib/Lab/Greens, who prefer to indulge the islamic culture.
Frank
24th Feb 2017
9:46am
HKW, I watched that report and find it to be a portent of the future destruction of human dignity. The Swedish politicians would be correct in their view of etiquette usually. But these aren't usual times. Sweden is getting bullied and they don't realise it. What does that do to the collective morale of the country?
niemakawa
24th Feb 2017
9:59am
Frank, the collective morale of Sweden has been battered. The truth about what is happening to their country has been deliberately hidden from them by their Government(s). The police forces have been totally demoralised and many are abandoning their career in that occupation. The Swedish press has also been neutered and told to toe the Government line and only report according to Government dictate. Fortunately, for the time being anyway, the Swedes can find out (the truth) from other sources and are doing so. How long will it be before the Swedish Government pull the plug on that? Ditto Germany. Australia must avert such a disaster that is taking place in Western Europe. If only our Government and opposition had the political will to do so!! It does not and has no intention of curtailing or stopping muslim immigration. What is their motive, well I think most sensible people know the answer.
JAID
24th Feb 2017
11:08am
HKW,

The moslem/Australian invitee did shout, she also seemed to both over-simplify and indicate a lack of depth of understanding of the issues. That can't be said to be rare of either the general public or performers in these types of entertainments. It cannot be seen as particular either to any religious or political view.

With regard to the link. Different jurisdictions impose different requirements and this as it applies to head dress is enforced in different ways in opposite jurisdication. There are two different levels of offence involved and the diplomacy followed by honoured guests and the general public also differ. In Australia for example most wouldn't give a bugger whether someone wanted to cover their face except in two cases. Where there was an inherent security risk being one. Where the wearer is trying to declare or put their superiority in the face of others, the other.

Any nation should atttempt to rationally maximise the security of its citizens and where it regards the risk as unsustainable rule to ensure satisfaction. If this means hajib cannot be worn in some environments I for one believe that appropriate.

Normally, where people try to stick something in our faces we manage to work out an agreement outside of the law. That would be harder where the 'offender' feels comfortable simply moving back into a haven between offences being thus virtually unaffected since offence will still continue intermittently. We should ask ourselves however why this offends. Does it matter? Does it matter whether we like long hair, scarfs, hats, hajibs or just people behaving like harmless idiots? We want this to be an increasingly free country. Surely the price of that includes coming to terms with events and habits we personally may not appreciate?

We gain from wide cultural imput. It remains, however, reasonable that any nation maintain certain expectation. Those can range pretty widely and it is the prerogative of a nation to impose unfair requirements even where that may not place them in the best light. Perceived threats to the existing way of life are really threats to the rate of change and while appropriate change can result where a subject is under pressure to make changes it is completely understandable that a community attempt to regulate the pace and to obstruct the distasteful.

If we are wise, that liberty to regulate will be taken on in the utmost seriousness, appreciating the potential loss of relevence, loss of potential diplomatic impact and of overall adaptability to the strongest future, not, with superficial regard to present idle tastes or populist inculcations.
HKW
24th Feb 2017
9:28am
https://youtu.be/sdGPPLmR5Bc

https://youtu.be/XUr_KQbWNGs

https://youtu.be/C_hWwsSgXQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKP0qw2ADtg
PIXAPD
24th Feb 2017
11:02am
Many bird breeders have discovered that if they cross ISLAM with a BUDGIE, they get what is called a BURQARIGAR
HKW
24th Feb 2017
11:31am
There are countries with culture much closer to their believes and faith such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Indonesia and many other Muslim countries. Why, TF won't they go there?
The answer is simple: they intend to flood the Christian countries with their own population and then rule with their own tradition. This is already taking place. Christmas is being replaced with Season Greetings, they feel offended seeing Christian crosses or protest to traditional Christian events taking place. In England, a nurse was wearing a necklace with a cross, which was snatched from her neck and she was forbidden to wear it. Yet, we have to put up with their burkas, shariah laws, halal food, which in fact means kosher food and huge jewish menorah placed in the most prominent positions of some capital cities. Why ? !
niemakawa
24th Feb 2017
5:09pm
Yes I agree that muslims want to flood Christian countries. Yet they are doing it the easy way with the help and encouragement of most Governments in the West. Reason: the only conclusion that seems logical, considering what is taking place, is that these same Governments not only want to but are intent on islam becoming the rule of law in these countries.
Kangooroo
24th Feb 2017
8:20pm
Aborigines have been here for over 30 000 years ,but they are supossed to abaid by the lay of the actual Australia, anyone taht desairs to live here should acept the Australian laws, not hide behinde somo excuse of religion. not to stand up in cort, not to sign the anthem, and so on. If an austarlina gos to any of the musulman contries has to follow thweir ruls even if he,she is thera as e turist. If you live in Australia you must follow the laws of this land,regardles of your religion
niemakawa
25th Feb 2017
10:27pm
It seems that muslims have been given an exemption.
buby
3rd Mar 2017
1:13pm
it does seem that indeed they have been given an exemption neimakawa, that be the politicians fault, they didn't not do their home work, nor the research before they allow this lot in? i'm if they wanted to expand the nation they could have got many other hard working immigrants in from any other land. But they got slack in their job.
And they need a rude awakening? and its starting to happen slowly :)
and we can't be blase, when we go to the polling booth next time either.
niemakawa
25th Feb 2017
8:17pm
A guide to Australia in 5-10 years. The choice is yours. Sweden has been lost forever it is nigh impossible for it to recover from the mess created by the liberals and bleeding hearts. RIP Sweden, you are no more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4258014/Was-Trump-right-Sweden.html
HKW
25th Feb 2017
11:12pm
https://youtu.be/S4K4okVa7dU
HKW
25th Feb 2017
11:30pm
European officials admit they are just starting to piece together a complete picture of the far-flung organized crime networks that are profiting from the misery of sub-Saharan migrants seeking a better life and Syrian, Iraqi and Afghan refugees fleeing war and persecution.

With the profits from human smuggling now rivaling those of narcotics trafficking and the black market arms trade, more criminal gangs are getting involved...

http://www.voanews.com/a/europe-migration-crisis-a-boon-for-organized-crime/2952482.html

Mass migration is allowing terrorists to sneak into the EU

Greek Border guards found 52 tons of guns and ammunition in 14 Conex shipping containers disguised as “furniture” for Muslim immigrants.
Wonder still why all those young (military age) men without children or wives are taking on the task of traveling all those miles posing as refugees?
This is one of the first things I noticed and found odd…..why aren’t these “young men” fighting for THEIR country???

Who is Funding the Refugees Transport into Europe?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/imperialisms-migration-agenda-who-is-funding-the-refugees-transport-into-europe/5504056

Israel Officially Aids 3rd World Invasion
http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/
niemakawa
26th Feb 2017
12:02am
In a way they will be fighting for THEIR country. The EU is fast tracking the establishment of an EU army, not for the security of Europe but one which will be used against the native peoples of Europe where there is any dissent by its population . The dictators in Brussels in line with the Globalist mandate have a plan to ensure that islam becomes the rule of law in Europe. there are upwards of 50 million muslims living in Europe, more than 10 percent of Europe's population. In France 15% of its population are muslims. In Sweden 20%. Belgium is in a similar situation. Germany thanks to Merkel is vying for the first EU country to see islam as its foundation. Many European cities have become muslim strongholds with muslims accounting for 30-50 % of the inhabitants. This can only end in civil unrest, so all these fit young men will become an integral part of the EU plan, as a tool to to try and contain any civil disobedience.

Of course there is growing opposition to the unabated immigration of muslims. The people will not sit back and see their culture destroyed by the islamic ideology and the unelected political elite. Hence the rise in popularity of leading contenders in the upcoming elections Le Penn (France), Wilders (Holland).

Australia take note of what is shaping up in your own backyard, look no further than your neighbour to the north, Indonesia.
PIXAPD
25th Feb 2017
11:33pm
MUSLIMS AND OTHERS WHO COME TO AUSTRALIA AND THOSE HERE MIGHT LIKE TO TAKE NOTICE OF THIS FACT, OR LEAVE

SOME helpful information for those who want or have come to settle in Australia. The Constitution of Australia Bill was passed by the Imperial (British) Parliament on July 5, 1900. Queen Victoria assented four days later, and in September proclaimed that the Commonwealth of Australia would come into existence on the first day of the 20th century (January 1, 1901).

Australia’s Constitution is deeply infused with religiosity from the outset. As one of the Constitution’s most distinguished co-authors, Sir John Downer, declared in 1898: “The Commonwealth of Australia will be, from its first stage, a Christian Commonwealth.”

Like Sir John Downer, many of the other leading writers of the Constitution had strong views on the importance of Christianity to the Commonwealth. For example, Sir Henry Parkes, known as “the Father of Australia’s Federation”, believed that Christianity comprised an essential part of Australia’s common law. In a column published in the Sydney Morning Herald (August 26, 1885), Sir Henry stated: “We are pre-eminently a Christian people — as our laws, our whole system of jurisprudence, our Constitution, are based upon and interwoven with our Christian belief.”

NOTE: The Quran denies Christian belief. ALSO a reminder to those who would seek to remove the Lord's prayer from Parliament.

ISLAM IS A 'NON PROPHET' ORGANISATION www.richard-2782.net/islam.htm
niemakawa
26th Feb 2017
12:48am
Denmark off the mark. The madness continues from the liberal left. Thank God for Mr Trump a man of substance.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/24/man-set-fire-quran-charged-blasphemy/
niemakawa
26th Feb 2017
12:56am
The Lords prayer should be recited at all school assemblies (daily) . Our heritage is that of Christianity. Our politicians should remember that.




The Lord's Prayer
(traditional)

Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.
Glenda
26th Feb 2017
6:49pm
Yes, Niemakawa and Pixapd, Australia is a fundamentally Christian country. May The Lord's Prayer prevail always both in parliament and across this wonderful country of ours. Islam has no place here, it is NOT as simple as praying five times a day, I don't think the woman Abdel-Magied knows what she is talking about. Good on Senator Jacqui Lambie! Australia has been far too generous in its immigration policy, stop Muslim immigration and start looking after our own first. There are plenty of needy people in beautiful blessed Australia, and we need to start caring for those really in need - not pandering to the insults and demands of Islam followers who refuse to accept our country's way of life, but are ever ready to partake of our country's generosity and our country's welfare handouts. Jacquie Lambie and Pauline Hanson are brutally honest by saying upfront on national television, what most Aussies are too scared to say in public which is: stop muslim immigration, Australia for genuine Aussies come FIRST! These two ladies are to be applauded. And long live The Lord's Prayer in parliament and across Australia.
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
1:38am
Are our politicians also turning a blind eye?. Most people will know the answer to that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4260908/Swedish-policeman-blames-migrants-violent-crime.html
deedee
27th Feb 2017
12:22am
ban all muslin immigration and ban the birka I agree we have one law Aussie and if u want to live here embrace our cultures and law otherwise y try to change our ways of culture go back to your own beliefs in your own country its absolutely nonsense all the changes already made to accomodate your religious beliefs and prayer rooms evrywhere separate for men and women so u can pray to allah 5 or 6 times a day if u truly want to pray to youe god then do it whereever on your mat on the ground i do believe not all muslins are extremists but all extremists ARE MUSLIM
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
12:33am
In some AFL grounds they have prayer rooms to accommodate the followers of islam. Why? The only thing they should be praying for is for their team to win. The Government should not recognise Islam as a religion, then we will see a drop in the numbers coming here and hopefully many leaving for their natural habitat. By doing so mosques would be a thing of the past in Australia. Italy does not recognise islam as such and there are very few mosque in that country. Australia is a Christian country, which has nothing to do with going to church.
HKW
27th Feb 2017
12:47am
Pregnant German girl burned alive by Turkish immigrants

A 19 year old pregnant German girl was burned alive in a park in Berlin. The suspects are two Turkish men. The victim, known only as Maria P., was dating one of the suspects.

Police believe that the main suspect, who is also 19, demanded she get an abortion. When she refused, she was stabbed and then burned alive. They covered the charred body with pine needles. A man discovered the corpse the next day while walking his dog. The Coroner says the baby was nearly full term.

The murder is reminiscent of honor killings in some parts of the Islamic world.

The suspects live in Neukölln, an inner city borough of Berlin. Much of the population are immigrants from Turkey and Russia.

The German media barely mentioned the killing. Critics say anti-Islamic vandalism is a major national news story, but murders committed by Muslim immigrants receive almost no press.

Source (In German)

http://conservative-headlines.com/2015/01/pregnant-german-girl-burned-alive-by-turkish-immigrants/
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
12:55am
The German Government is only interested in "unfounded" attacks by what they call the far-right against immigrants. As for the German people they do not care. The German people must take most of the blame for allowing their Government to treat them as second class citizens in their own country. They will have an opportunity to make their voice heard at the elections this year, but will they? Ditto Australians in a couple of years, but will they?
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
1:15am
This from the German press, " Government controlled" not any mention of the killing of the German girl.

http://www.dw.com/en/more-than-3500-attacks-on-refugees-in-germany-in-2016-report/a-37719365
HKW
27th Feb 2017
2:49am
Culturally enriched?

Warning: DRASTIC

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x186rw6?autoplay=1
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
4:51am
This article from Canada, very interesting

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/26/canada-moves-forward-anti-islamophobia-measures/
Frank
27th Feb 2017
10:25am
"The motion falls into the errors of hate-crime and hate-speech legislation
The introduction of hate legislation has undermined the right order of criminal justice by irrationally elevating the human passion of “hate” above other passions such as pride, anger, lust, envy and a host of other possible motives for malfeasance.
A motion like M-103 replicates this wrong-headed legislation by addressing a state of mind—Islamophobia—rather than illegal behavior. Whether or not the motion translates into law, it creates an atmosphere where certain opinions are considered unlawful and others are prohibited.
In traditional jurisprudence, hate only becomes a criminal problem when one’s behavior contravenes the law. When prosecutors investigate motive and premeditation, they do so only to ascertain guilt and the level of personal responsibility involved in a given act. They do not try to measure the quality of the motive.
The matter of criminal law, moreover, is not internal dispositions but external actions.
These and other arguments would suggest that the best way for government to counteract violence against groups or individuals is not by stifling debate or trying to sway public opinion, but by making it clear that certain behavior will not be tolerated, regardless of one’s motives or intentions."

niemakawa, this makes a lot of sense.
If the extremists on the left side of politics find a way to make it illegal for us to experience a certain emotion then all our problems would be solved, he he he
Also, imagine the possibilities? The end of mental illness as we know it. All we would need to do is pass a law to make mental illness punishable by the courts.
It appears that the Islamists are hell bent on changing the world to reflect a time of 1400 years ago. The various groups may differ on the methodology but the goal is the same.
Frank
27th Feb 2017
10:34am
There are commercial possibilities. I know one bank which has a slogan, "it's possible to love a bank," but imagine if it became illegal to hate a bank?
JAID
27th Feb 2017
1:42pm
Frank and Niemakawa,

While we seem to be in different paddocks in that I argue that all should be treated as individuals in deciding who comes here not on the basis of their religion or other differences, I could not agree more on this. A crime should only ever come into existence on the basis of an action not a thought. Further, that open debate is good. No-one should take offence at words anyway but especially where they are uttered as part of a dialogue capable of leading to understanding or resolution.

Call me a white islamic bastard, call me a black hindu bastard, who should care...except maybe my parents if they think their standing may be impacted by the assertion of birth out of wedlock. If someone calls someone a brindle bastard or any colour or creed that is their problem...not the wearers.

Allowing all that to play out there is an impact on the call by at least you Niemakawa for a ban on moslems incoming to this country. This is because a blanket ban shows no respect for whatever individual differences may exist whether they suit ones judgement criteria or not. Where any may have been judged suitable and not included then an action has occured to their detriment and does then become an ethical dilema if not a criminal one.
niemakawa
27th Feb 2017
5:35pm
Jaid, individuality for all is a basic right. However with rights come obligations and responsibilities that encompass the wider community. That is we have laws and customs, as do all countries, that are have to be respected and followed by every individual, regardless of their "religious" affiliations". No concessions should be made for any so-called religious organisation, especially when they are attempting to subvert the underlying fundamentals of a society. the followers of islam seem to take a different view as can be evidenced not only in Australia but in many Western countries where they have chosen to live. islam is at odds with our sense of justice and freedoms and is mostly intolerant of western values and customs. So you may ask why do they come? Well the answer is there for all to see if they care to do so.
HKW
27th Feb 2017
12:37pm
Recently, a mob of 90 people stormed a church in Uganda and sexually assaulted 15 Christian women from the congregation. This attack came as reprisal to the allegations that the pastor of the church had converted Muslims to Christianity. The incident took place Katira church in eastern Uganda. The mob tied up the Christians men and beat them afterwards they raped 15 of the Christian women. The mob struck because the pastor of the Katira church Reverend Moses Mutasa had converted Muslims to Christianity. The mob also carried off the pastor and either other men from the congregation while they severely damaged the church property.
http://www.christiansinpakistan.com/uganda-a-mob-of-90-sexually-assaults-15-christian-women-in-a-church/
Misty
28th Feb 2017
10:09am
Strange, Paulopotter seems to have given up posting here, must have realised his views are out of step with the majority of Australians.
Frank
28th Feb 2017
10:42am
HKW, it's difficult to imagine that any Australian wants this as a usual everyday event? Where are all the lefties crying out for protection of these women and innocent people? They are too busy calling for "equality" which allows this to happen.
JAID
28th Feb 2017
11:02am
Sorry fellas but, ugly as they can be, an incident here and there does not a way of life make.

The Rwanda outrage would have occured well within the time of any here.

Roman Catholicism followed, well behind, by Protestantism are vastly the major followings there and distribution of these religions was fairly common across both Hutu and Tutsi tribes or groups.

That didn't seem to deter them from the type of genocide which it would be doubtful that even ISIS, US/UK/AUS or Russian bombing have managed to achieve yet. It didn't stop mass exodus, rape and murder. It is probably doubtful that it encouraged that but then, what religions do not operate to absolve followers of 'sins useful in survival of their particular faith?
Frank
28th Feb 2017
12:10pm
C'mon JAID you know its not possible to list the approx. 15,000 terrorist attacks which have occurred during the last 40 years. I'm a little surprised, quite frankly, that you think it's a joke. :(
JAID
28th Feb 2017
12:59pm
No joke frank.

You are right, the slaughter you refer to, the wonton, calous, cruel pastime of idiot zealots is too significant to count. I doubt however that it in any way pales the Rwanda event other than in its longevity.

That only goes to suggest that picking out a particular religion following as being worse than another doesn't make sense. There is in the Rwanda example one key difference, the violence was not promoted and led by religious elements. Most, in fairness would appreciate that religion where it has been a factor in islamic violence is only one or few of many forms where others do not propel to the same ends.
Frank
28th Feb 2017
9:56pm
JAID, the more you try to defend the rapes and murders of innocent people the more idiotic you sound.
niemakawa
28th Feb 2017
11:07pm
JAID, I would be interested to know your reasons for not banning muslims in Australia. How will islam benefit us as a society? Do you value islamic laws, which are restrictive or totally opposed towards freedom, especially concerning women, homosexuality, other cultures.. islam also embraces and encourages acts that a civilised society finds abhorrent, FMG, marrying under-age girls, forced marriages? How do you reconcile these? Is there an upper limit that you would set? Do you consider islam as a religion?
Misty
1st Mar 2017
1:13am
And tonight we hear of an Australian born man arrested for helping Isas build long range missile capabilities, no wonder Australians are against more Muslim immigrants.
HKW
1st Mar 2017
9:35am
Frank, whether they are lefties or rights, none really give a rat about protection of women and innocent people, for they live in gated communities or behind high, electronically protected, perhaps even with barb wires walls feeling safe there.
Equality values spewed from their mouths don't match reality and they know it !
Our politicians do not represent us or the real government we hope they are.
The secret "Shadow Government" pulls the strings: liberals or Labour does not matter, for they are all just puppets.
People need to wake up and stop voting for these two parties.
We need to select those who will represent Australian citizens interests and protect our laws and our SOVEREIGN country.

http://www.rightsandwrong.com.au/
JAID
1st Mar 2017
10:01am
Niemakawa,

I have been pretty clear. If anybody needs to be banned they will be individuals not whole groups.

Group allegiance (whatever group) varies enormously.

You aleady know that I regard all religions as dangerous. I have no problem with those who follow religions, that is just my approach. While all religions are (in my opinion) dangerous, not all follows are similarly dangerous. That goes for christians, moslems and while we are talking religion it also goes for those without it.

So, you ask what islam can bring to australia. I hope nothing because all religions are dangerous but that is not the question. The real question is what each and every individual may bring to Australia. If we value our existence we will all value the coming of people to this land. We now do have some control over who we permit to join us...that should be based on the individual not their nominated religion.
Misty
1st Mar 2017
10:31am
I do not agree with you JAID, we have no way of knowing what an individual has planned for the future, they may come here with a clean sheet all the while planning some horrific event when they get here. The history of terrorists shows us they are mostly Muslims so it makes sense to ban any more to our country, some of the ones we have here now have been causing us enough problems as it is we don't need any more.
Frank
1st Mar 2017
8:46pm
If one in ten jars of ABC pickles purchased from the supermarket is found to have a toxic substance, why do they recall all jars?
HKW
28th Feb 2017
1:32pm
Muslims rapists: WATCH OUT!

17- YEAR OLD GIRL CUTS PENIS OF MUSLIM MAN DURING RAPE ATTEMPT; RAPIST’S CONDITION SERIOUS.
http://theusa-info.com/17-year-old-girl-cuts-penis-muslim-man-rape-attempt-rapists-condition-serious

APPEAL to Australian girls: BE READY!
HKW
28th Feb 2017
1:56pm
Latest!

Sweden gang rape ( Tunisian Muslims) ‘live-streamed on Facebook’
http://thisisengland.org.uk/video-sweden-gang-rape-live-streamed-on-facebook/

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/swedish-woman-gangraped-for-three-hours-live-on-facebook/news-story/fe7cf9c674fe9df21464f052b00c7f62

Still want more Muslims from Africa?
niemakawa
28th Feb 2017
10:32pm
No.
niemakawa
28th Feb 2017
10:30pm
Many Australians have similar sentiments. Our Government should look more closely at this.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/28/geert-wilders-islam-not-religion-totalitarian-ideology/
niemakawa
28th Feb 2017
10:44pm
See Australia is not alone . The sensible governments in Europe know the real dangers. Orban the Hungarian PM is totally opposed to muslims posing as refugees entering his country. ditto Poland, Czech Rep. The German, French and Dutch Governments will be in a total spin when they are replaced by LEADERS who put their National Interests ( aka the people) first. The sooner the Australian Government takes similar action the better for the Australian people.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/27/73-per-cent-bulgarians-want-end-muslim-immigration/
HKW
1st Mar 2017
10:39am
Taking in refugees from beleaguered and war-torn Middle Eastern countries like Syria might seem like the compassionate and right thing to do — until you realize just how much it’s costing our country.
Study from the non-partisan Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) reveals that it will cost taxpayers a total of more than $4.1 billion in 2017 to pay for the 519,018 refugees who have been resettled into the U.S. by the federal government since October 2009.
To put this all in perspective, $4.1 billion is enough to buy 10,677 new homes at the current national average of $384,000 — homes that could be given to, you know, our own citizens in need rather than foreign nationals.
Mind you, this is just the amount that American taxpayers will spend on resettled refugees just in 2017.

http://newstarget.com/2017-02-28-taypayers-to-pay-4-1b-for-refugees-in-2017.html
niemakawa
1st Mar 2017
5:48pm
Bob Katter may not be to everyone's liking but he made some valid points in QT yesterday, proposing a Trump style ban. A true Australian at heart is Mr Katter. Labor called out "shame" on you, their usual rhetoric when confronted with the real problems facing this Country. Dutton's response was ludicrous to say the least. Lib/Lab/Greens between them are hell bent on destroying this country and its 220 + years of history. Time to wake up Australia.
niemakawa
1st Mar 2017
6:18pm
If only the Libs/Lab/Greens had the courage and intelligence to think along the lines of Mr Orban. Voting for any of these parties would be suicidal for the future of this country. It is time for REAL Australians to step up to the mark and forge a new type of Leadership, one that puts Australia and its people first. Most will be aware of the alternative parties that will do this.

http://www.dw.com/en/hungarys-orban-ethnic-homogeneity-vital-for-economic-success/a-37755766
Misty
1st Mar 2017
7:42pm
U hope you are not referring to One Nation niemakawa, they are far too extreme with their ideas.
niemakawa
1st Mar 2017
7:52pm
Misty have you read their policies? There are other parties, one to bear in mind is ALA. I think Lib/Lab/Greens policies are extreme to the extent that they have forgotten the Australian people and are following the globalist agenda. Complacency in Australia is rife, the same old gang(s) know this so always think they have the winning hand. The only hope for a decent future for this country is to dump the usual protagonists. It is up to the people to promote and forge change. Don't leave it up to the politicians, which has been the norm. for decades, mainly because voters are a little lazy in researching or understanding the motives of the party for which they vote.

God Bless Australia.
HKW
1st Mar 2017
8:52pm
niemakawa,

Good to know that you are awaken and well aware.

I most certainly understand what you are talking about...

Thanks for contributing with your good knowledge.
buby
3rd Mar 2017
12:47pm
i think the policy makers and all parties have been very blase' in their thought about the immigrants to this country they didn't think about it much at all!!
Unfortunately i think it is they that should be been researching before they allow them into the country, but there were asleep at the wheel, too busy filling their pockets with fools gold!!
Now me thinks they are the fools that need to be ousted, and we the voters have to work harder when we get to the next polling booth again!
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:29pm
OOOps i ment was Many parties aren't perfect. but ONE nation is the one to follow at this time i feel.
IN W>A they$ is of more concern, they are perhaps not thinking straight. Whose knows?

but i have to ask if you not follow ONE nation, is this what you might get?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be
niemakawa
1st Mar 2017
11:24pm
Katie Hopkins a renowned journalist who tells it as it is and brings truth and reality to her articles. This particular article is one that touches the heart of the problem with mass immigration of muslims. Sweden with a population of around 10 million is "home" to 1.7 million ( a conservative number) migrants from the ME and Northern Africa, mainly muslims.

Could this happen in Australia. Yes it most definitely could and will unless the muslim population is contained at 2% or lower . This should be the aim and focus of any Australian Government. They must learn from the mistakes that countries like Sweden, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark,the UK have made who (the people) are now suffering from the liberal policies over the last 10 years or so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html
Bulla
2nd Mar 2017
2:03pm
Mogo,are you one from amongst the natives of this land,which I don't think you are.And if so,don't raise issues with who can come and who can not.Look at the past of people who occupy this land which can put any one to shame,ofcourse,if only they belong to human category.And ,by the way, who are these 50% you are talking about,same breed which is responsible for destroying,corrupting and shamelessely pursuing their agenda of genocide.
JAID
2nd Mar 2017
4:02pm
Just had a scan through these hundreds of comments. One thing which has been asserted many times over is that people who argue against declaiming people because of a particular religion or dress code or other difference are "Defending Islam."

If any did I missed that post.

All are instead defending the liberty we seek for this country. The liberty to believe what you want and do what you want so far as it is consistent with our generally agreed goals as a nation. Intrinsic is the reality that the nastiness which is often associated with particular waves of immigration is largely not wanted but it takes a scientific attitude to separate the spectre from the fact and that is rerquired if popular talk is to be anything like fair.

For this reason we look at the person, not the religion or the headdress.

If a person is likely to seriously offend our laws and peace those of us who argue that descrimination on the basis of religion is unfair (and itself inconsistent with australian aims and laws) would argue that discrimination against the individual is appropriate.

In that sense there need not be a great distance between us. It comes down to the breadth of the brush we are content to use in considering the detail of potential offence. The willingness to expend effort in assessing each for what they are.
Misty
2nd Mar 2017
4:45pm
And how is that supposed to be any better then what we have now?, no one knows in advance, at least those in authority who make the decisions, what an individual person migrating to our country will do or won't do once they here.
HKW
2nd Mar 2017
4:50pm
The loud-mouth black female with the headdress on expressed herself well enough.
Enough for me to come to conclusions.

I say NO! to any more migrants like her!
NO!!!
Frank
2nd Mar 2017
4:57pm
Just had a scan through these hundreds of comments. One thing which has been asserted many times over is that people who argue against declaiming people because of a particular religion or dress code or other difference are "Defending Islam."
(A) Not because of any of those things you mention. It is because of the kidnappings, torture, rapes and murder of innocent people

If any did I missed that post.

All are instead defending the liberty we seek for this country. The liberty to believe what you want and do what you want so far as it is consistent with our generally agreed goals as a nation. Intrinsic is the reality that the nastiness which is often associated with particular waves of immigration is largely not wanted but it takes a scientific attitude to separate the spectre from the fact and that is rerquired if popular talk is to be anything like fair.
(B) How dare you belittle those crimes by comparing them with nastiness. As a salesperson JAID you minimise the negative impact while accentuating the positives.

For this reason we look at the person, not the religion or the headdress.
(C) Again, nobody cares about a religion which is peaceful but we are not talking about a religion (peaceful or not) we are talking about a political party which behaves like a religion. Many Australians have tuned out on religion because its always a mine is bigger than yours argument.

If a person is likely to seriously offend our laws and peace those of us who argue that descrimination on the basis of religion is unfair (and itself inconsistent with australian aims and laws) would argue that discrimination against the individual is appropriate.
(D) Not sure what you’re trying to say there JAID but can you tell us who we should discriminate against so that we dont have continued terrorism in Australia?

In that sense there need not be a great distance between us. It comes down to the breadth of the brush we are content to use in considering the detail of potential offence. The willingness to expend effort in assessing each for what they are.
(E) There can be no trust without a clear and concise acknowledgement of intent. Trust is earned just as it is diminished due to lack of respect for that trust. JAID you stated earlier that you were a 5th generation Aussie now you are saying you are one of "us", who is us?
JAID
2nd Mar 2017
8:19pm
Damn, I must have exited before Replying. Just maybe this will be more brief.

Not to pick up on all your points Frank, just the last.

If I ever said I was 5th gen. I lied or was the victim of a typo. [Like Washington, I cannot tell a lie]

I am the result of every Australian generation. If aboriginal Australians disown me that is fine but, leastwise, family of many names have joined our line since first european settlement, free and convict right up to my own mixed offspring. I don't know of any Islamic blood but there are a heap of other flavours in there.

Despite all the bigotry, white Australia and other racist crap we have carried on with as a nation, were we honest we would appreciate that a fair go for all is what we want to define us. It is the remarkable trail of our coming.

It is a dismal view. That otherwise intelligent Australians can leave their reason behind in a similar bloody wave of typecasting, blame-deflecting ignorance as the Germans did 80 years ago. It doesn't have to be that way, you don't have to take on board what Misty keeps plugging, to paraphrase...

"how do you tell who is OK and who is not"

Just treat everybody as individuals; investigate them; expect those reviewing to do their job and get on with it, ie not leave people mouldering for years in stalags while you do it. Decide whether an individual is OK, if so, welcome them, if not boot them out so they can get on with their lives, just get on with it. If you make the ocassional a bad mistake boot them out when you find out.

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I don't have any problem with people disagreeing, that is how we evolve directions but if you don't make a fair effort to read intent we can end up arguing the same line. An example above is 'nastyness'. This has been typically used for all levels of ugliness and violence depending to a degree perhaps on the distance the reviewer is from the problem. If you said "Hitler exploited all the nastiness available" you would be a distant reviewer but certainly not making light of his 'ahievement.' That you take it in the form used by your mother in remonstration is only a feeble attempt to separate and elevate your respect for humanity from mine while in the word alone there is no such distinction. There may be ways to make the distinction and I am all ears but you are smarter than that Frank.
Misty
2nd Mar 2017
9:33pm
So if someone comes to Australia as a migrant and blows up the Harbour Bridge or the Opera House killing thousands of people that is ok JAID?, just boot them out is that the answer?.
Frank
2nd Mar 2017
10:17pm
JAID, I'm afraid I'm not as altruistic as you. I don't like my friends getting killed for no reason.
niemakawa
3rd Mar 2017
5:22pm
Things will not end well for Australia. Again our young men and women ( and not so young) will be involved in another war ( this time a civil war) because the the total ineptness of successive Governments over the past 30 years for more allowing unabated immigration of people that will not and have no intention of integrating in our society. I wonder if you JAID will be glad to see your family members thrown to the wolves at the whim of Politicians and those that support more immigration of muslims. You seem to be a supporter. If only you had some foresight and stopped wearing rose-tinted glasses. God bless Australia.
niemakawa
3rd Mar 2017
5:22pm
Things will not end well for Australia. Again our young men and women ( and not so young) will be involved in another war ( this time a civil war) because the the total ineptness of successive Governments over the past 30 years for more allowing unabated immigration of people that will not and have no intention of integrating in our society. I wonder if you JAID will be glad to see your family members thrown to the wolves at the whim of Politicians and those that support more immigration of muslims. You seem to be a supporter. If only you had some foresight and stopped wearing rose-tinted glasses. God bless Australia.
JAID
6th Mar 2017
12:01pm
I don't think it altruism Frank, simply appreciation that here are differences in any group on the one hand and a generality as to what it means to be Australian on the one hand.

I have little knowledge of it but at that superficial level do see Islam as a political and militaristic religion. In other words it appears that that political and military and expansionistic ends or aims are bound into and interact with the basic claim of adherence to one 'God' and its dictates as expressed by a key 'prophet' Yet, there is a wealth of different approaches and absorbtion of those dictates and aims.


It is entirely reasonable for any country to reject elements which would be traiterous to itself were they incorporated. However, unless it devotes serious energy to investigating the propensity of people as individuals to engage in that activity it neither lives up to Australian ideals nor maximises the possible benefits for all parties.

Mohammed as far as I can see was a small scale opportunistic fighting-leader who later could see the potential to gain a long-term and self-perpetuating memorial to himself and his ideas by bindng together politics and military single-minded entitlement, with the roots of judeo-christian beliefs as a religion. In this he had a clear recent view of the history of powerful and failed states to project from. His many pronouncements gradually strengthened the military and expansionist components of the order as his life rolled out. His resolved hardened and he was careful to demand that his later pronouncements over-rode gentler earlier ones.

He has been very successful.

Know however that Islamic and once islamic contacts have led me to these appreciations. They are proof of the wealth of different interpretations within Islam; of the good will of some and perhaps the surprising capacity of some people to see through the veil of religions even when they are immersedin them.

You do we and all those who are capable of seeing and changing a disservice by branding groups with any religious mantle whether or not it in itself is compatible with Australian aims.
Frank
10th Mar 2017
8:58am
JAID, where did you get the idea that only non-Muslims are responsible for the branding of Islam?
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:35pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be
WE really need to look at the bigger picture.
See those ppl are had many years of practise, they now how to grow, and use governments to their advantage.
And when ready they will dominate.
ARe you willing to let our freedoms be taken over, Just like that!
After all those wars, that your late fathers and sons, and mothers have done.
This cult is an ancient medivel idieology nothing more hell bent on revenge unfortunately, and will fight for it.
They are sneaking up on us. and when its ripe they will go for it.
They will have been educated by us, and use that info against us.
This about whom you vote in?
HKW
6th Mar 2017
8:30am
Well...check out the latest:
https://youtu.be/X9wCwty8oNk
buby
15th Mar 2017
2:07pm
aND REALLY do we need more of that bull???
gee i think not.
What the hell were they thinking.
They weren't were they!
Now i see on FB,
Madam Markel, say they will take over germany soon.....OH wow, I reckon they could but would the germans really allow that too happen.
OH this year, will be a real eye opener on the world.
It will be a changing place, and scary to a degree.
niemakawa
15th Mar 2017
4:55pm
Buby, Predictions are that there will be another onslaught of so-called refugees, which of course they are not, heading to Europe this summer. The likes of Merkel have no plans to prevent it but more to the point they are promoting more and more immigration of muslims. There have been reports in the European media that 20 million Africans will be allowed to enter Europe over the next 5 years. Again the political elite have no plans to prevent it, because that is what they want for Europe. I pray and hope that Geert Wilders is elected as PM in the upcoming Dutch elections. Ditto Le Pen in France. How any German in their right mind can vote for Merkel or her party is beyond me, it just not make sense. Sweden has capitulated to islam and has reached the point of no return. Belgium, France and even Germany will not survive unless drastic measures are taken to halt the immigration of muslims to their countries. The current leaders of these countries do not have the political will to do so and I repeat the reason being they want islam to be the driving political force in Europe. Australia will most certainly go down the same track under any Lib/Lab/Green Government. Be warned.
niemakawa
15th Mar 2017
4:55pm
Buby, Predictions are that there will be another onslaught of so-called refugees, which of course they are not, heading to Europe this summer. The likes of Merkel have no plans to prevent it but more to the point they are promoting more and more immigration of muslims. There have been reports in the European media that 20 million Africans will be allowed to enter Europe over the next 5 years. Again the political elite have no plans to prevent it, because that is what they want for Europe. I pray and hope that Geert Wilders is elected as PM in the upcoming Dutch elections. Ditto Le Pen in France. How any German in their right mind can vote for Merkel or her party is beyond me, it just not make sense. Sweden has capitulated to islam and has reached the point of no return. Belgium, France and even Germany will not survive unless drastic measures are taken to halt the immigration of muslims to their countries. The current leaders of these countries do not have the political will to do so and I repeat the reason being they want islam to be the driving political force in Europe. Australia will most certainly go down the same track under any Lib/Lab/Green Government. Be warned.
Misty
15th Mar 2017
5:37pm
Well if you rule out Libs/Labor/Greens who else do you vote for?, not that ratbag party One Nation I hope.
niemakawa
15th Mar 2017
5:54pm
One Nation, yes. There is another party that also has Australian interests at the forefront of its policies - ALA. Misty like many other Australians you seem to be complacent and continue to vote for the same old (Globalists) parties. Of course that is your prerogative. I am anti- Globalism so will never vote for Lib/Lab/Greens. I do not want open borders which is what all Globalists governments insist upon. Controlled immigration must be high on the agenda of any party, if they want my vote.
Misty
15th Mar 2017
6:20pm
How anyone could even think of voting for One Nation after that debacle in Wa last weekend has got me beat.
niemakawa
15th Mar 2017
6:27pm
I am looking forward to the one that really counts the next Federal election . There you will see a resurgent One Nation with a much larger support base that it has at the moment. Events that are unfolding in Europe will reverberate throughout the Western 'world" and Australia will not be immune from the upheaval. The Globalist Governments ( Australia is included) will be facing a voter back-lash never seen before.
Frank
15th Mar 2017
7:15pm
Misty, One Nation is more popular than the Greens/Union alliance.
Misty
15th Mar 2017
11:48pm
I wouldn't vote for the 3 of them Frank, Greens/Unions/One Nation, would you, or maybe Corey Bernardi's Conservative Party holds more appeal.
Frank
16th Mar 2017
8:13am
Corey Bernardi is making the right noises. But I still think our best solution is to make use of Tony Abbott. He is another who is not afraid of the PC fundamentalists.
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:07pm
MISTY, many parties are perfect, but i still believe for australia we must make a start, and ONE nation be that start.
IF not we are doomed
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:38pm
And how silly of them to let this happen. IT must be stopped.
It looks like german now is doomed. I hope Geert Wilders has luck, but i still reckon he will have trouble there.
There will be all sorts of trouble looming in 2017
Its ashame us ossies couldn't be better prepared also?
HKW
16th Mar 2017
9:58am
The Muslim Invasion Of Europe 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sirj6qNLAEU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-nw0ijTpQ
Misty
16th Mar 2017
11:28am
Well the election results in Holland didn't pan out the way niemakawa thought they would did they.
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:23pm
History is repeating, unfortunately, and if we want our freedoms we will have to fight for it!!
this is an important vid, sit back and view , it could be a bit scary but it will happen if we don't stand our ground NOW, if its not already too Late?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be
buby
16th Mar 2017
12:20pm
History is repeating itself.
This is a must read, it helps to explain some stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be
niemakawa
16th Mar 2017
4:12pm
Buby, yes Wilders did not win but he made good gains in the polls and will have a say in the next Dutch parliament. I am proud to be what the detractors of freedom call a populist. It actually means you love and care about your country, which obviously the likes of Rutter does not. True patriots never give up and will never destroy their countries intentionally as Rutter, Merkel, Hollande are in the process of doing. Our own Government ( Labor and Greens also) leans heavily towards islamic politics and wants to incorporate islam as the rule of law in Australia. The fight is just beginning. Patriots unite in the fight for freedom.
Misty
16th Mar 2017
4:24pm
What a load of rubbish you write here Buby, where do you get the idea that Labor wants to incorporate Islam as the rule of law in Australia?, that is the most stupid comment I have heard, get in touch with Labor headquarters and they will soon set you straight.
niemakawa
16th Mar 2017
4:51pm
Misty , that was my post and I stick by every word I stated. You can dismiss it as rubbish if you wish, that is your freedom of choice. ( for now anyway).
Frank
16th Mar 2017
5:14pm
I believe, the only reason Labor didn't get behind the 2011 formal request for Sharia Law to be installed into the constitution, was because of political expedience. The numbers just didn't stack up for Labor at that time. At some time in the future the numbers will stack up and Labor/unions will once again show their self serving DNA.
Misty
16th Mar 2017
7:47pm
In your dreams maybe Frank, that is the only way Sharia Law would ever be installed in Australia's Constitution, no one in their right mind would ever vote for a party, regardless of which party or how rusted on their supporters are, for anything to do with Islam being made part of our Constitution.
niemakawa
16th Mar 2017
7:53pm
Misty , muslims again trying to undermine our way of life and again making DEMANDS. muslims will never accept anything except Islam, when will you accept this.
"
If only our State and federal govt’s had the same fortitude.
Let's hear it for a Joondalup mayor...
Or as the commercial promoting pork says:
“put some pork on your fork”


WAY TO GO AUSTRALIA
MAYOR REFUSES TO REMOVE PORK FROM SCHOOL CANTEEN MENU...
EXPLAINS WHY

Muslim parents demanded the abolition of pork in all the school canteens
of a Perth suburb.

The mayor of the Perth suburb of Joondalup, has refused, and the town clerk
sent a note to all parents to explain why...
“Muslims must understand that they have to adapt to Australia, its customs, its traditions, its way of life, because that's where they chose to immigrate.
“They must understand that they have to integrate and learn to live in Australia.
“They must understand that it is for them to change their lifestyle, not the Australians who so generously welcomed them.

“They must understand that Australians are neither racist nor xenophobic, they accepted many immigrants before Muslims (whereas the reverse is not true, in that Muslim states do not accept non-Muslim immigrants).
“That no more than other nations, Australians are not willing to give up their identity, their culture.
“And if Australia is a land of welcome, it's not the Mayor of Joondalup who welcomes foreigners, but the Australian people as a whole.

“Finally, they must understand that in Australia with its Judeo-Christian roots, Christmas trees, churches and religious festivals, religion must remain in the private domain.
The municipality of Joondalup was right to refuse any concessions to Islam and Sharia.
“For Muslims who disagree with secularism and do not feel comfortable in Australia, there are 57 beautiful Muslim countries in the world, most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open halal arms in accordance with Shariah.

“If you or your parents, left your country for Australia, and not for other Muslim countries, it is because you or your family have considered that life is better in Australia than elsewhere.
“Ask yourself the question, just once, “Why is it better here in Australia than where you come from?”
“A canteen with pork is part of the answer.”

If you feel the same forward it on, if not, hit the delete "
Frank
16th Mar 2017
7:59pm
Trust me Misty, they came very close.
Misty
16th Mar 2017
8:06pm
Niemakawa it matters not to the Muslims what I accept, of course Muslims will never accept anything but Islam and I totally agree with what the Town Clerk has written in his letter to parents, it is just a pity the Minister for Education here in NSW does not send such a letter, differently worded of course, to the parents of the pupils attending the Public Schools in Sydney who are causing so much trouble. New school rules need to be introduced into our schools, I THINK THEY ARE LONG OVERDUE.
niemakawa
16th Mar 2017
8:17pm
Misty, yes. The fact that muslims may account for around 2 % of the population they make excessive demands for adherence to their laws. Just not on and the Government has a responsibility to dismiss such demands. One way of course is to stop further immigration of muslims . But of course it will not nor will Labor/Greens do such a thing. Islam is a destructive intolerant political force and creates problems for all non-muslim countries where muslims live.
Radish
16th Mar 2017
8:19pm
Hate to rain on the parade but that letter re Mayor and letter to schools re pork is a hoax.

Been doing the rounds of the internet for ages.

check snopes.
niemakawa
16th Mar 2017
8:26pm
Radish, that maybe the case, but such demands are being made regardless, not only in Australia but elsewhere. Some Government building in London are owned by muslims and are subject to Sharia law, and that is a fact. The concept of Islam is totally at odds with a western society and we do not need its influence in this Country.
Kali-G
15th Aug 2017
6:01pm
ISLAM IS AN EVIL CULT. IT WANTS TO DESTROY WESTERN CULTURE.
OUR POLITICIANS ARE CRIMINALS FOR LETTING IN 25000 UNSUITABLE MOSLEMS.
THEY DONT GO TO WEALTHY ARAB COUNTRIES...
THEY COME TO CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES AS THE FIFTH COLUMN!
THEY SHOULD ALL BE DEPORTED, OR INTERRED AND REMOVED!

16th Aug 2017
11:14am
I am against all Muslim and African immigration.
They are non conforming trouble makers
badgering
17th Aug 2017
3:39pm
It is exceedingly annoying when your articles include ;inks that require payment to access.
For example this link is to The Australia which lives behind a paywall and your link is totally unfree
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/what-exactly-is-sharia-law/news-story/4e3c627f248841b46d465b4c79dec59a


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