Stimulus 2.0: What’s in it for you?

Shutdown of venues and travel, access to super and deeming rate cuts part of new package.

prime minister scott morrison addresses the press

Stricter shutdown laws, further cuts to deeming rates and early access to super are just a few of the measures announced by the government as part of the ‘Stimulus 2.0’ package to help Australians through the coronavirus crisis.

“We have the example and inspiration of generations that have dealt with challenges like this before, and we have the advantage of the lessons that they have passed on to us about how we can stick together … to build a bridge to the recovery on the other side,” said Mr Morrison.

“We cannot prevent all the many hardships, all the many sacrifices that we will face in the months ahead. And while these hardships and these sacrifices may break our hearts on occasion, we must not let them break our spirit, and we must not let them break our resolve as Australians.

“Today we are making important announcements to support those Australians who will be in the front line of the blows that we will experience, the economic blows we will experience, as a result of the global health crisis, which is the coronavirus, and it’s severe economic impacts, to cushion the blow as much as we can, to build a bridge to the recovery on the other side.”

The government’s second-stage package also includes a call for Australians to cancel all non-essential travel as the nation tries to manage an increasing infection rate and its potential strain on the health system.

The cash handout of $750 to 6.5 million people on welfare and pensioners announced 10 days ago will now be supplemented by an extra $750 that will go to around five million people, including pensioners, veterans, Health Care Card holders and others who are not eligible for the new coronavirus benefit supplement.

The first payment is to be made on 31 March and the second payment would be made automatically from 13 July.

The newly unemployed will be granted tax-free early access to their superannuation – up to $10,000 between now and 1 July and another $10,000 from 1 July. The withdrawals will not affect pensions and will also be available to people on benefits and to sole traders and casuals who have lost 20 per cent or more in working hours. There will also be a temporary 50 per-cent reduction in superannuation minimum drawdown requirements for account-based pensions in 2019-20 and 2020-21.

The deeming rate for pensioners that was to be cut by 0.5 points, will be cut by another 0.25 percentage points.

The rate will now be 0.25 per cent for single pensioners with investments up to $51,800 and $86,200 for pensioner couples, and 2.25 per cent at the upper end.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said: “Since the government announced its first stimulus package just over a week ago, the global and the domestic economic environment has deteriorated. We now expect the economic shock to be deeper, wider and longer.

“Every arm of government and industry is working to keep Australians in jobs and businesses in business and to build a bridge to recovery on the other side.”

The government’s temporary doubling of the Jobseeker Payment (Newstart) will provide people with an additional $550 a fortnight, and will be available to sole traders and casual workers, provided they meet income tests. Asset tests and waiting periods to access the Jobseeker Payment will also be waived.

Mr Morrison said: “The nature of these payments and the purpose of these payments are changing

"This is clearly saying that we expect this to go on for some time and we know that those vulnerable groups may need additional income support during those periods."

Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) chief Cassandra Goldie welcomes the increase to Newstart (JobSeeker) rates.

“We welcome this crucial doubling of Newstart and Youth Allowance for six months. Whilst we would never choose the circumstances under which these events are occurring, now more than ever, today’s announcement is important recognition that our safety net needs to be safe for everyone who needs it,” she said.

"This will come as a huge relief to so many right now. This increase is vital in order to prevent more people from falling into the poverty trap.

"We thank all of those on Newstart and Youth Allowance who have been sharing publicly how hard it is to get by on $40 a day. They demonstrated that the existing social safety net was broken.”

Dramatic lockdowns will be implemented from midday on Monday and Australians have been asked to limit themselves to essential travel only.

People can continue to go to the supermarket and work, but all interstate and long-distance trips should be cancelled, said the PM.

"The more Australians themselves assist us in this fight against the virus to protect lives and livelihoods, the more and better able we are to ensure that Australia comes out stronger on the other side," he said.

"It is a simple plea, we need you.

"We need you to do your bit when it comes to social distancing and keeping that healthy distancing, to respecting and following the rules that we are setting down, but more stronger measures will be coming, and they will be coming in more localised areas to deal with outbreaks."

The “stage one” restrictions will be introduced and will be reviewed on a monthly basis and are expected to last for at least six months, or earlier or later, depending on health advice.

The restrictions do not apply to isolated remote community hubs.

Depending on how Australians respond to stage one restriction, further stage two restrictions may be announced.

“We will be living with this virus for at least six months, so social distancing measures to slow this virus down must be sustainable for at least that long to protect Australian lives, allow Australia to keep functioning and keep Australians in jobs,” Mr Morrison said.

“We need every Australian to do their bit to save the lives of other Australians.

"The measures that we will be considering mean that state premiers and chief ministers may have to take far more draconian measures to enforce social distancing.”

Public transport services will continue to operate. Additional hygiene control measures have already been implemented.

What's open?

  • supermarkets
  • banks
  • pharmacies
  • petrol stations
  • convenience stores
  • freight and delivery services
  • childcare
  • shopping centres
  • bottle shops
  • hairdressing salons
  • beauty salons

What's closed?

  • pubs
  • clubs
  • cinemas
  • casinos
  • places of worship
  • nightclubs
  • entertainment venues
  • gyms
  • indoor sporting venues
  • cafes and restaurants will be restricted to takeaway only

Around 6000 food and personal care packages that include a two-week supply of goods will be distributed through the Red Cross to those most in need.

Minister for Disability, Ageing and Carers Luke Donnellan said: "We very much need to reach out to those people in the community who don't have support, those people who don't have family, friends, neighbours and the like who could potentially provide them with assistance during a period of self-isolation."

The packs include long-life milk, pasta, canned fruit, cereal and sugar; personal care items such as deodorant and toothpaste, and specialised items such as nappies for those who need them.

The packs will be delivered from Monday and can be accessed by calling Victoria's coronavirus hotline on 1800 675 398.

A reduced number of politicians will return to Parliament on Monday to pass legislation required to implement the stimulus measures.

How do you think the government is responding to the pandemic? How will you get through this crisis? Will the announced measures help you through?

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    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:25am
    "How do you think the government is responding to the pandemic? How will you get through this crisis? Will the announced measures help you through?"

    As this crisis is unprecedented in the lifetime of Australians, it's difficult to assess whether the measures put forward by the government are adequate. The measures are trying to be a balance between health and the economy and there are expert advisers to the government to assist. So far, the measures have been generally accepted as adequate but only time will tell.

    We hope to get through this crisis by following the rules laid down by various governments and staying at home except for essential shopping. As to whether the announced measures will get us through, we'll let you know.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:38am
    Yes we will get through this crisis with an awful lot more on welfare as who would want to get a job when it is all over?

    Mental illness will kill many more than this mild flu.
    Eddy
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:33pm
    Horace, I am not so sure that this 'crisis' is unprecedented in the lifetime of Australians'. I recall several 'epidemics' during my childhood, polio, diphtheria and whooping cough to name a few. While I cannot recall the details, one thing I do remember is the forced quarantine and the advice to 'wash your hands'. I had whooping cough and was quarantined for weeks, other children I knew contracted polio or diphtheria. The major difference today from the 1940s and 1950s is the mobility of people and the willingness of governments to take responsibility for support the afflicted.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:13pm
    I had Whooping Cough for over 3 months before I was rested about 30 years ago. They kept telling me it was just a bad cough even though I kept asking if it was Whopping Cough. No one will ever know how many people I infected. Why did this happen? Because it was wrongly believed vaccinated people didn't get it.
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    10:28pm
    I was thinking of that too Retiring Well how the suicide rate will go up, and many people will be getting sick from fear and anxiety, which brings down your immunity too. More than 3000 a year die from complications from the flu, and more die from preventable diseases.
    Janus
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:34am
    Our spending has not changed at all. In fact, not much has changed for us. It is important that life goes on, with limitations for the socially active, as LONELINESS is a major problem already in our community. So, if you can, go walking, with your partner, or with a few friends who would keep their distance. That, to me, is esential for health and "wellbeing". Oh yes, make sure you don't live in a city...

    I am not impressed with our politicians, who send so many mixed messages. It looks as though Scomo wants to be the only hero, and is "doing his very best" for the people. After all of his previous bluster and sales pitch, it is no wonder that so many think it is all a scam. People simply do not trust him, and never will. He has been rescued by this pandemic, from facing up to all of the rorting, the lies, the cheating, and the ignoring of major issues that are down the track after this finishes. I certainly won't forget.

    This is the givernement that tried to demolish CSIRO, cut research funding, cut university funding, and is so measly with the less well of. This is hurting us now. It must pain them to have to help people now - so very socialist!
    cupoftea
    23rd Mar 2020
    7:02pm
    Janus There will be a lot of us that will not forget this but we might not beat the idiots who think they are heroes they give a bloke an ambassador for the appro,s but they don't say they cancelled 100,000 apprentices who is he going to be an ambassador to
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    10:31pm
    I feel sad for the many older people now having to stay home and cannot even attend their usual gatherings, my mum said all her usual gatherings are cancelled even her church, and she does not do the internet. Those living alone are especially more vulnerable to mental health issues.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:36am
    This stimulus is so wrong in many ways.

    We have health workers now risking their lives earning less than those on Newstart.

    We have self funded retirees getting nothing even though many will have little or no income due to low interest rates, falling asset values and little or no dividends going forward. Is it right that they have to assess their capital by selling at the bottom of the market while others who lose their jobs get a free ride? You'd have to be a fool to be a future self funded retiree.

    Why would you stay at work when you can now get more on welfare? Many will just get sacked instead of working while others bathe in the sunshine at home.

    The workers are not being supported at all.

    I for one will not be changing my habits at all as it' just utter madness. If I am to get this virus I want it now so that I go to the top of the queue if I need treatment so I won't be doing anything to stop being infected.
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:00pm
    I have to agree with you, Retiring Well. A lot of it seems to be a power driven knee jerk reaction. It would be interesting to see a graph of how many deaths have occurred in care homes. Yes, they are the elderly but I bet the 70 - 90 yo who got the virus but lived at home recovered far more often than care home patients.
    Yet another health and safe concern for the elderly that the government’s have ignored.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:15pm
    Problem is that if someone dies of a heart attack and they have tested positive to Covid-19 it is counted as a death from Covid-19 even though they would have died if they had been negative. If you take out all those deaths that are not actually from Covid-19 then it works out that you have more chance of dying form the actual flu. However that doesn't make it sensational enough for the media and the governments.

    I cringe when I hear about 100,000 dying in Australia when I know it will only be a fraction of that number. Problem is it is scaring everyone for their own political gain so they can say when they only have a fraction of that number what a good job they did etc.

    So I sit her thinking I am living in a B grade movie waiting for the Gennie to pop out an say "I got You." I am more scared of being killed by a trolley over toilet paper.
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:43pm
    Retiring Well, if you 'cringe' when you hear of 100,000 dying in Australia, how do you feel about this:

    In 2017, in Australia;
    Cardiovascular disease (CVD)accounted for 43,477 deaths

    Diabetes contributed in over 17,000 deaths in 2017 (5% were for type 1).

    There were 10,186 stroke fatalities.

    Dementia, including Alzheimer's disease, accounted for 13,729 deaths in 2017.

    Influenza and pneumonia accounted for 4,269 deaths in 2017

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases accounted for 8357 deaths

    Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung (lung cancer) accounted for 8286


    So there is your 100,000 deaths.
    The majority of deaths in Australia, occur among older people. Sixty-six per cent of deaths registered in Australia in 2017 were among people aged 75 or over.

    Age is a risk factor!!!!
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:48pm
    Reference: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Australia's%20leading%20causes%20of%20death,%202017~2
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:01pm
    I have been checking out lots of statistics since this so called crisis started which left me wondering why if this is such a big deal aren't we doing something about all those deaths too?

    AIDS still kills over 2000 word wide a day too. TB about 4000 a day. HEP B 3000 a day.

    Age is a risk factor to anything. You do eventually die of something.
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:05pm
    And have they forgotten the students who usually work in hospitality to make ends meet and to pay their rent?
    Retiring Well, I wonder if people are actually dying from TB especially in China, similar symptoms and tests are not 100% accurate.
    And I agree KSS many more die from preventable diseases.
    Retiring Well
    25th Mar 2020
    10:34am
    Many of those students are on youth allowance and will get the %550 per fortnight supplement. That's a lot more than many get for their casual work. I know a couple of students who will get this supplement but are casual tutors and they are now turning away work or handing it on to their mates. It will increase even more with people taking their kids out of school.
    Incognito
    25th Mar 2020
    12:28pm
    Yes heard about the students since posting my comment.
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:39am
    For goodness sake stop piddling about round the edges just get rid of the deeming rate altogether.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:55am
    The asset test is far more sinister than the deeming rate. A couple needs over $3 million in the bank to get same as the pension plus benefits. What hope have they got with $1 million?
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:18pm
    I had to laugh this morning seeing all those queues outside Centrelink as my first thought was this a way to trim the population by targeting those on welfare as they weren't doing anything to protect themselves against any sort of virus or disease.
    Alexii
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:53pm
    and Retiring Well, what hope do they have when they have far less than a million between them and what they have is losing value rapidly.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:09pm
    I have a current campaign going to scrap the asset test for those in their late 50s and early 60s who can't get work as the asset test is approx. $300,000. If they don't many will have nothing when they retire.
    Sundays
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:20pm
    A good package especially for those who have lost their jobs, or business through no fault of their own. I can’t imagine the stress they are under. Extra $750 for pensioners and others will be great. Good to see deeming rates reduced and at last, a 50% cut to the minimum drawdown. Yes, shares have tanked, but we were all warned not to put all our eggs in one basket. As SFR, we have lost 10% of Super, but it will bounce back eventually. The PM has already announced that there will be more measures to come. I am not a fan of the Government but I applaud these measures to assist the most needy
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:47pm
    So it is acceptable to you that health care workers now earn less than those on welfare? If I was a health care worker I would think seriously about whether my job was worth it.
    Sundays
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:56pm
    Which healthcare workers who are full time earn less than $26,000 because thast is approximately the amount we are talking about.
    Retiring Well
    26th Mar 2020
    11:06am
    Part time ones.
    thommo
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:46pm
    some people are never gonna be happy!! irrespective of what or which government does something
    older&wiser
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:34pm
    Trying to help a 65 yo friend around this - still on Newstart (now called Jobseeker Allowance)

    1) Is the Newstart amount doubled only for those who lose their job NOW because of the virus, or for people who have been on Newstart for a long time?
    (2) Those that DO get the double up Newstart payment now - will they be entitled to the $750 payment in July? Or even the first stimulus payment?
    (3) Her 17 yo grandson worked in a cafe earning around $300 a f/n. That has temporarily closed down. Does he get the double Jobseeker payment ($1100 a f/n)? Does he get first and/or 2nd stimulus amount of $750? He is almost salivating at the prospect! He's almost started looking for his new car!
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:03pm
    Yes he gets the lot. Newstart now pays more than the old age pension.
    Sundays
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:13pm
    Not the second $750 as that is not for those on Newstart top upof $550 which is only for 6 months at present. Many wilk need every cent. There will be no jobs
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:15pm
    But if you are a student on Austudy or Youth allowance student and lost our part time job that helped pay the rent, you only get what pensioners get, how is that right?
    Students are doing all they can to better their life, need to pay for rent, internet to keep doing their courses online, buy books etc on top of usual living expenses, but many unemployed are just going waste the money (not all but some).
    Incognito
    24th Mar 2020
    1:37pm
    Students have now been included in stimulus package.
    almost a grey hair
    24th Mar 2020
    1:57pm
    Maybe he could go out and spend it wisely and get a tattoo, or what about adopting a Siberian snow leopard -- my kids won't mind paying for it if they still have a job that is
    P$cript
    25th Mar 2020
    2:45pm
    Thank the Labor Party for the change payments for students. LNP weren't interested in supporting the students.
    A tattooist should be home, could be spread through tattooing.
    Incognito
    25th Mar 2020
    4:28pm
    Yes fancy the Libs were not going to look after students, I still wonder about those on disability and carers pension too.
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:42pm
    Just remember it is our money this fool is handing out.The people that are really being hit are once again the self funded retiree, would i put money into super not after what i know now.
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:16pm
    I was wondering where they were getting all this money from all of a sudden.
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:47pm
    Too little too late just like the bush fire crisis.
    CountryCatkin
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:53pm
    Quit whinging and get on with daily life, however you best wish to or can do.
    This still-fortunate country has produced a certain group of people who complain non-stop about the most innocuous things.
    I don’t discount bringing to notice seriously relevant problems like we have in the present situation, but so many really seem to have nothing better to do even in good times and know how to solve everything.
    Go to a Third World country and see what life is like there. Very little chance of a government propping you up then.
    The Care Bear.
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:31pm
    Well said CountryCatkin.
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:05pm
    Will the so called Future Fund be used to help out ordinary Australians or will it stay hidden in a overseas tax haven .Please explain P.M.
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:16pm
    That’s exactly what I thought, Floss. Scott Morrison said we must all pull together, people will lose their jobs and businesses will go under so it’s way past time to look at the Future Fund, slash politicians’ salaries and retired by 50% and asset test retired politicians before they get their pensions.
    80 plus
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:13pm
    I for one am grateful for the extra funding from what until now has been a parsimonious government, how ever what has changed? this week the punishment for being out of work is $40, soon it will be doubled to near $80 a day, is the government now admitting $40 is not enough?
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:19pm
    It is only for six months, who knows what will happen after that. If they pay this extra money via cashless card (welfare card, whatever you want to call it), maybe they will then get rid of the payments that go into people's banks after six months and bang everyone on card only without any consultations.
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    7:21pm
    Triss it will make or break our P.M. as to what he does with the Future Fund is he a poser or does he really care for ordinary Australians.He has failed his first real test i hope he does not fail the next for all our sake.
    Sundays
    23rd Mar 2020
    7:29pm
    88,000 people lost their jobs today, more by the end of the week. They are our priority!
    Incognito
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:20pm
    All I can say is I am confused, how to they make the decisions who gets what and when and where is the money coming from, and what about students!
    Incognito
    24th Mar 2020
    1:34pm
    Good news for students they now have been included. Next they will have to give extra to pensioners.
    Laura52
    24th Mar 2020
    7:51am
    I am on the front line so to speak, in healthcare, exposed to infections and am absolutely petrified being at work...2 days a week, as for the rest of the week I care for frail elderly parents. At work, we cannot get in masks, sanitisers but I managed to find masks on line ( kogan on line) and wear gloves...having worked in a sterile suite at work for 3 years, I know the drill but with this disease, health care workers can still get ill despite all the protection, hand washing etc. I caught a bad cold with a chest infection from work 2 weeks ago and followed all sterile procedures with hand washing, gloves and mask and practised social distancing. As much as I want to, to protect my parents, I cannot afford to leave work at work even with carer's payments. I am devastated about the job losses....
    Incognito
    24th Mar 2020
    1:36pm
    Sorry to hear about your stress, please make sure you look after yourself too, you are doing a great service but no good if you get sick too. Take Vitamin D, C and zinc to boost your immunity and eat well, sleep well and try to take time for yourself in nature, all the best.
    Lets hope the Government orders a raise or bonus for health care workers.
    Laura52
    24th Mar 2020
    4:59pm
    Thank you so kindly, musicveg...sometimes health professionals do not listen to their own advice and I am listening to your advice...very sensible and practical;)
    Chris B T
    24th Mar 2020
    10:39am
    Business as usual for Back Packer Tours, bus load and jam packed Toyota's going on tours.
    These are some of the most Prolific Spreaders of any Virus.
    So much for the shutdown at 12 noon.
    The almighty Dollar Rules, no issue of Permits or better still Cancel Permits at this time.
    Social Distancing a joke as the Operators live in the community and Back Packers mingle within.
    The Town needs Tourist but not at any Expense.
    Incognito
    24th Mar 2020
    1:33pm
    It was my understanding that these backpackers were needed for fruit picking etc. Maybe you should take photos of these buses and tours and contact our local MP.
    Chris B T
    24th Mar 2020
    2:16pm
    They were on Tours, I live at Tourist Town no fruit picking/packing here or close by.
    That was Yesterday morning and afternoon departures.
    Where they go the operator needs Permits, should have been cancelled.
    The Back Packer Hostels and Tour Operators are to Caviller about Rules, only have to look at the vehicles they use. Toyota landcruisers with 8 Adults with there Overnight/Day Packs.
    Incognito
    24th Mar 2020
    2:20pm
    Well they have not closed accommodation places up but have asked them to practice social distancing, have the tour operators been told to stop?
    Chris B T
    24th Mar 2020
    3:12pm
    Every non essential was to stop by Government Decree, I don't wish to have a Brick or Similar thrown at Me or Family.
    Permits are Issued by Agencies on Behalf of Government.
    I live very close to Operator, besides all Pubs, Clubs, Restaurants,Gyms etc Closed Yesterday at noon.
    Restrictions on gatherings and other Camping Permits/Closures were already in Place.
    Just how people don't care about themselves, family or anyone else very sad.
    These Government Decrees are Both Federal and State.
    Just as limiting your movements and avoid gatherings.
    Chris B T
    24th Mar 2020
    4:03pm
    PS
    Back Packer Hostel takes the bookings.
    DINGOPOO
    25th Mar 2020
    7:46am
    Most of the comments l am reading in this forum are whingers who always whinge about any thing. Wake up and give our Government some support in what they are doing, regardless of which side of politics you are from. I am not a liberal voter by any means, but for Christ's sake give Scomo a fair go, is'nt that what Aussies pride themselves on.
    Retiring Well
    25th Mar 2020
    10:37am
    I can't remember another PM having so much disaster to deal with even wars.
    Incognito
    25th Mar 2020
    11:47am
    Fair enough,but he is still making some cruel choices, holding back promised money for 4 weeks! And leaving out disability support and carers too.
    Aussie
    27th Mar 2020
    11:22pm
    DINGOPOO I agree they are trying ... I feel sorry for people that lost their jobs and family that lost members ... and as Retiring Well say not other PM has to deal with so much desaster so quickly .... feel for him also and the hard job he has to manage .... hope the near future gets better for all of us but for now lets help and take care safetly .....
    KB
    26th Mar 2020
    11:49am
    First thoughts and prayers are with people who have lost jobs through the shutdowns Cannot the government simply pay people while these places are shut and can reopen measures are in place? If we follow the rules then we will get through this crisis. I will have to rely on home deliveries or my daughter who lives with me will take on essential shopping I am in the high risk categories. If there is a major shutdown then her workplace will allow her to work from home. She thankfully has a job I More people will be working from home so NBN providers must ensure that the system is fully functional and upgraded Many areas do not have N On a disability payment is welcome. Spending it for the economy will be an issue as we will not be allowed to go out unless it is for essentials Nowhere to visit an eat out
    KB
    26th Mar 2020
    11:49am
    First thoughts and prayers are with people who have lost jobs through the shutdowns Cannot the government simply pay people while these places are shut and can reopen measures are in place? If we follow the rules then we will get through this crisis. I will have to rely on home deliveries or my daughter who lives with me will take on essential shopping I am in the high risk categories. If there is a major shutdown then her workplace will allow her to work from home. She thankfully has a job I More people will be working from home so NBN providers must ensure that the system is fully functional and upgraded Many areas do not have N On a disability payment is welcome. Spending it for the economy will be an issue as we will not be allowed to go out unless it is for essentials Nowhere to visit an eat out
    Aussie
    27th Mar 2020
    8:32pm
    Good or Bad ... The government is doing the best they can to help and ensure everybody is safe..... by comparing overseas for example USA that the stupid president intent to open all services in Easter time ... we are doing great and the Gov. is trying hard to the best they can do help Financially with stimulus packages and many other ways .....
    So for those complaining and screaming like Ducks …. DO NOT just stay safe and help in whatever you can stay home and be safe …… DO NOT BE STUPID
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    9:19pm
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/opinion-post/logic-the-first-casualty/

    Read this Aussie, got it from Miker from another topic, well worth reading
    Aussie
    27th Mar 2020
    11:17pm
    Thanks Musicveg I read the report and is very interesting and accurate on what is written but unfortunately in our country we have to many Dingo’s that create problems for others and the measurements put in place may be overboard but is the only way to control the stupidity of the idiots like the great day in Bondi or the arriving Australians at the airport or the authorities allowing people to get off the ship without any control..... Mate no choice other than set up these measurements but I agreed with he topic you send me is correct but the AU reality is a bit different.

    But yes us doing too much unfortunately may be necessary otherwise the count will increase as rapid as USA that will open everything for Easter wowowowo
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    11:53pm
    The part I liked Aussie is how we should be isolating the vunerable rather than the whole of the population and people could still be working and the economy would not be in such a dire position and the Government could spend a lot less money protecting a smaller group of people, 80% of people get none or little effect from the virus, which leaves 20% we could protect with various measures and the medical professionals would not be having to put themselves in danger too.
    Aussie
    28th Mar 2020
    1:30am
    Ok musicveg I accept what you are saying ... just worry every time I go out to buy something.

    I purchase KN95 masks that are the same as FFP2 protection that probably protect me ???? I hope he he he have a look the classifications I got on the web :

    For caregivers and visitors: it is necessary to wear a protective mask of a class of at least FFP1 or FFP2 (Class N or R in the United States)

    Coronavirus, SARS, H1N1:
    For the contagious patient: it is necessary to wear the surgical mask as soon as contagion is suspected.

    For caregivers: it is necessary to wear a protective mask of at least class FFP2 or FFP3 (Class N, R or P in the United States) for maximum filtration of particles and aerosols when caring for a patient who is infected or suspected of being so.

    I am now 76 and very very healthy but still worry I could get the virus easy .... I just careful
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    2:07am
    If you are very very healthy then your immune system may just make antibodes to protect you, bump up your vitamin c, d and zinc with either food (fresh wholefood) or good quality supplements.
    Try not to go out at all, wear gloves and keep your distance from people, be positive and have no fear because fear will lower your immunity.
    DISLCAIMER: not meant to be medical advice, just my opinion.
    Aussie
    28th Mar 2020
    3:53am
    musicveg ..... Opppps Doctor music ,,,, no worries mate and thank you yes I go shopping and use those plastic disposable globes to hold the shopping trolley yes you do not know who use the trolley before thanks mate I take B12 and eat healthy and well .... breakfast I have some oats toast coffee and some times some ham/chesse/tomato hot melted Yummmmmmm NO Bacon only lean beef or lean pork , love good thai rice and fresh red kidney beans and Lentels (Very good 4U) and lots of veggies tomatos ,,,,, and I do a salad with fresh tomatos virgin olive oil onions and pieces of salmom dresset with Lime juice and some bit of parmesan chesse ..... so yes I think I do ok ... NO Licor NO Beer or wine (Only some times and good Red).
    and by the way you do not have to Disclaimer to me we are all friends here he he he he

    Take care mate be safe .... keep in contact ..... cmt2002(at)gmail(Point)com
    SMMM
    28th Mar 2020
    9:42am
    I can not believe their are still so many of you, who still have thier heads in the sand.
    You believe you can just go about your daily life and not be effected or worse still infect others
    You will not know if you pick up this virus. I know of people doing just that, and were fit and healthy,came back from OS holiday and went back to work, are now hospital very ill. How many people has this 1 infected. It will be thousands wake up idiots.
    Aussie
    28th Mar 2020
    1:07pm
    SMMM Mate I am currently OS and will remail OS until all this gets better I take no chances .... Australia virus is groing rapidly (12 to 15 percent a day) and there is more risk to get it than where I am now so I stay out safe and happy.

    My life and ways to do thngs have change and learn how to be alone and happy ..... so I did Alone and happy learning new IT programs and make some small projects ,,,,all good and great for my new life .... I like it


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