Study shows over 65s to suffer

Those aged over 65 will be hit hardest by the proposed Medicare $7 co-payment.

Study shows over 65s to suffer

A study from Sydney University, released on Sunday, has suggested that those aged over 65 will be hit hardest by the proposed Medicare co-payment, amidst growing concerns that the payment could deter vulnerable groups from seeking medical attention.

The study found that a couple living on the pension would face an additional out-of-pocket cost of $200 if the co-payment goes ahead. This is because the $7 fee will apply to GP visits, as well as out-of-hospital pathology and imaging tests. There will also be higher costs associated with prescriptions covered by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS), with standard patients paying an extra $5 per script and concessional patients paying an extra 80c.

Sydney University is undertaking an ongoing national survey of GP visits, called the Bettering the Evaluation and Care of Health (BEACH) program, which records details of patient-doctor interactions from a changing random sample of GPs. The study looked at data from this survey to determine who would be most affected by the proposed co-payment.

It found that a self-funded retired couple would expect, on average, to pay an extra $244 per year in health costs. Couples on the pension would expect to pay an extra $199. The average patient with type 2 diabetes would face additional bills of $120 a year regardless of age, and families would pay $38 extra per child under 16.

Study co-author Clare Bayram explained that the most concerning aspect of their findings was that the cost of the co-payment would not be shared equally. “It will particularly affect people who need to use more medical and related services, such as older people and those with chronic health conditions.”

She also expressed her surprise at the size of the financial impact on pensioners. “It really emphasises that it's not going to be evenly distributed,” she said. “These people need to use the services; they're not making a choice.”

Read more at The Age website

 

Opinion: Some are more equal than others

One really has to ask: why wasn’t modelling of this sort done before the budget? Why didn’t anyone think, ‘hey, we’ve got all this great data lying around, why don’t we just double check the figures to make sure we’re not screwing over one of our fastest-growing voting groups?’

Or maybe they did check, and they were just hoping nobody else would do the same.

Whether or not the Government was aware of the scale of the financial impact the proposed legislation would have on those over 65 before they made it public, they know now. They have been very thoroughly informed that their budget as a whole, and particularly this piece of legislation, is grossly unfair to lower income groups.

Those paying the highest price are those who can least afford it, and with study after study coming out of the woodwork to prove this point, the Government can no longer claim ignorance. If the $7 GP co-payment goes ahead, it will be because the Government has decided that the unfairly weighted cost to pensioners is acceptable, and that these are not the Australians it wishes to support in the future.

What do you think? Is the Government likely to take this study into account? Or will it push forward in an attempt to save face? And how badly will the $7 co-payment affect you?





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    MICK
    8th Jul 2014
    9:46am
    Come on Tyler, the poor always pay. That's how our system works.
    Personally, as much as I hate this dishonest and morally corrupt government, I can see merit in a co payment. Whilst I know some folk will be horrified and whilst I understand that there are many different scenarios I have noticed over the decades that our 'free' health care is being abused. Many go to the doctor for zip and many doctors over service so that they have an income stream.
    If people held off going to the doctor until it was really necessary then the (not really free) health system would cost us all much less and there would be no need for a co payment. But like anything which is free the health care system is abused. So welcome to a co payment.
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:01pm
    Hi Mick, I dont fully agree with your opinion this time mate, but remember there are many retired pensioners who have chronic health issues (like myself) need regular Drs. and specialists, plus test which in my case on going since the age of 14 yrs Chronic Renal Failure.......and yes in many cases I am out of pocket many of times over......which some of the seniors dont understand as they have fairly good health.....PLUS I pay up front at the GP were we go....not every practice is BULK BUILD CHEERS
    MICK
    8th Jul 2014
    1:59pm
    I totally agree that the one size fits all model is limited. My concern is that we have all accepted health care as 'free' when in fact Australian taxpayers pick up the tab. So too many Australians utilise doctors as a crouch rather than an absolute need and this is where the system is bulging at the seams.
    Whilst I am fortunate enough to avoid the doctor (so far), even with an injury which took 6 months to self heal, I understand that some people need ongoing care and I have no issues here. But I do take exception with cases like my elderly mother whom I took to the doctor this morning. Her doctor routinely wants to get her back for a chat or to see "how you are going next week" rather than leave it to the patient to decide. This practice is just over servicing, not health care and it appears to be endemic in the profession and more related to steady work rather than any real need. But what can I say to mum..because the doctor knows best????
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:21pm
    Rollers aren't Cheap !!..
    Dr Doolittle .....
    ray from Bondi
    8th Jul 2014
    2:45pm
    I agree with mick, I am retired and due to ill health find myself wasting what is left of my life in my doctor and specialist waiting rooms, I would rather be out there enjoying the winter of my life. but thanks the neo-liberals the winter is becoming colder.
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    3:01pm
    Yes I noticed that Ray.. I painted Flames on My Heater ! It looks like its ON !!..
    Sceptic
    8th Jul 2014
    3:44pm
    This dishonest and morally corrupt government Mick. I just wonder what adjectives you would use to describe the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments.
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    3:52pm
    Squabbling Geese Devoured by Piranha !!
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    4:24pm
    Hi Mick, Yes I have seen this for myself when some DRS do asked the elderly (not all of them) to come back next week...........and in these rare cases........ I ask myself....... are the DRS ripping off the system as well.............especially if the elderly person is not sick like some????????????? thanks for sharing you story regarding your mum mate
    Paddles
    8th Jul 2014
    10:20pm
    Mick

    You are largely on the money there when you doubt the real need of many Doctor's visits. It is a vastly overused service since the advent of Medicare (a great system in theory) and it desperately needs some sort of brake onit.

    I had my elderly mother-in-law who scheduled a fortnightly attendance at her Doctor's surgery as part of her living routine.

    Of course the Medico is going to make soothing noises, order occasional tests etc because the patient (read customer) needs to be reassured that someone cares and, after all, the practice of medicine is just another commercial venture.

    Personally, I believe that any Doctor who was aware of a patient's severe financial stringency, would waive any contribution and I believe that that discretionary option would be available to them.

    Bottom line is that perhaps many of the "recreational" patients may baulk at the co-payment and that can only relieve some pressure on the system.
    mogo51
    9th Jul 2014
    9:35am
    I do not believe pensioners who are already struggling should be charged this fee. If there are instances of over servicing, these should be addressed by the toothless medicare investigators.
    pensioners are being made the whipping post by this unfair budget and I am pleased the indepenents are taking a stance.
    MICK
    10th Jul 2014
    9:54am
    With all of this I think that the litmus test is the average number of times Australians go to the doctor every year, and its a damn lot of visits. I saw a story on Channel 9 A Current Affair last night where one doctor was seeing 80 patients a day. Whilst I am not saying that this is the norm it tells a compelling tale as to how to make a quid and doctors are not immune (sic) from behaving in their own interests although many don't.
    particolor
    10th Jul 2014
    10:01am
    Sitting on the Wind Mill Naked as a Jay Bird !!
    "You all come Back You Hear !"
    MITZY
    10th Jul 2014
    4:41pm
    Mick: I have "white coat syndrome" an aversion to doctors' surgeries. I think the 80 patients a day is just about spot on. It equates to a patient every six minutes, i.e. 10 per hour, i.e. 80 in an 8 hour day.
    When moving to a country town 12 years ago, my husband and I were faced with going from one doctor's surgery to the next and they were at full capacity. I was o.k. but my husband was in this 13th year with MS and needed a doctor, even so, he never abused the visits and we spent more on "alternative therapies" and naturopaths and chiropracters.
    However, one doctor deigned to see my husband, but I will never forget this to the day I depart, he had an EGG TIMER on his desk and was using it to the very minute.
    Needless to say my husband let loose and gave him a piece of his mind and said we don't tolerate doctors of your calibre, go back to where you came from .... he was Indian.

    8th Jul 2014
    10:21am
    It's relative to each individual, some will pay and find it no problem at all, others will suffer..where do you draw the line ? I am a pensioner and it will not be a concern to me.....but that's me.....nothing has been set in concrete yet anyway....but if it goes ahead... such is life..... few hundred dollars a year will not worry me...I am thankful for the pension and the perks that go with it. We have a really good Health and Welfare...unlike the USA...which has bugger all when compared with other countries
    raymondp
    8th Jul 2014
    12:10pm
    "but if it goes ahead... such is life...." Thats why we have the worst Government in Australia's history, with an attitude like that. Oh well who cares is what you are saying. Get off your a... and be a bit more pro active.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    12:17pm
    I'm a pensioner and I'm OK.....and it is pension week...have to save another $300...ah well
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:03pm
    RAYMONDP, VERY GOOD COMMENT UNFORTUNATELY PIXADP may not understand it??
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    1:09pm
    Bragging is Lying's next door neighbour !!
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    2:47pm
    I never join with the ferals
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:22pm
    Tony welcomed the PM from "Japarn"...What ??
    Paddles
    8th Jul 2014
    10:35pm
    raymondp and tia-maria

    Just why is it that any sociological topic cannot be dealt with without the inclusion of blatant political bias.

    Both of you (and many others) want to kick shit out of Tony Abbott but are remarkably silent on the opposition and their paucity of alternative policies.

    Face facts, Abbott has achieved much already in the face of trenchant negativity and, in particular, he has raised Australia's stocks immeasurably on the international scene. His recent two week trip was an unalloyed triumph with even the lefty POTUS clapping him on the back.

    Today he signed off on a FTA with Japan that is going to be of enormous benefit to our country.

    So please give credit where credit is due.
    doggone
    8th Jul 2014
    10:22am
    an unequal society is all part of the current liberal thinking.

    it manifests the way lower economic part of society must be hit to preserve the well off.

    this current government has gone too far to the right and is bordering on the way the nazis operated.

    and if you are trampled under then they don't care.

    the liberals need to get back to the centre.
    Kopernicus
    8th Jul 2014
    4:24pm
    They are certainly revealing the truth after 5? years of deceptive manipulation as opposition under Abbott's leadership. I expected they would push their dogma but not to this far, after all Abbott had the lesson that Work Choices delivered - a step too far being repeated it seems.
    unicorn
    8th Jul 2014
    10:38am
    Did I see the word think, does Joe have the brain power to think? I fear not. All he would ever think about is how to charge the less well off to subsidise the Gina Reinhardts in this world. He probably listened to Tony for those ideas.
    FrankC
    8th Jul 2014
    2:36pm
    Joe has the old addage, "Don't do as I do , do as I say", how much heavy lifting is he doing, or the past prime ministers and all their perks, which we are paying for, the one thing that could save this country heaps of money, bloody waste of time and money, they all have a nice super, plus a house tht is pretty well paid for.
    Redhead
    8th Jul 2014
    10:57am
    I am having trouble equating the figures quoted of $200 for the co payment I thought it was a maximum of 10 visits per annum per person which would be $140.00 for a couple was it 10 for the doctors and then more for the pathology perhaps. It is not very clear my husband is a type 2 Diabetic and we get blood done for the doctor 4 times a year plus the Renal at the hospital what it within a week of your visit and it doesn't always align and we have to get fresh tests done. Maybe someone can enlighten us all or should we not worry till we see if it passes the Senate, we can but live in hope that it doesn't..
    Rachel Tyler Jones
    8th Jul 2014
    11:08am
    Good morning Redhead,
    I believe the amounts were calculated based on the number of GP visits, plus pathology, plus the extra costs associated with filling PBS prescriptions. The numbers used were the average for each age, health or financial bracket, based on the information gathered in the BEACH program. I hope that helps.
    Rachel
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:07pm
    Hi Redhead,
    Unfortunately when we have Chronic health issues which are on going to GP and Specialist plus tests and this when its very expensive on retired pensioners ( with full time ill health)........this is why I understand your situation.......other may not as they have not lived it????????? cheers
    wally
    8th Jul 2014
    11:09am
    Hypochondriacs of Australia unite! Obviously Evil Abbott and his side kick Jumping Joe want us to pay the co payment and force us to go without our cigarettes, grog, our daily supplement of sugary, fatty, greasy and salty junk food! The saying that we dig our graves with our teeth has never been more evident than now when people let their taste buds do their thinking for them, leading to an unhealthy increase in obesity in Australia. So the entitlement mentality to allow the public to continue their gluttonous couch potato life styles is behind the outcry over the medical co payment? Why don't these whingers try following a healthier life style instead of pursing their lazy gluttonous habits that will clog up our hospitals and waiting rooms at an ever increasing rate as they smoke, drink and over-eat their way to premature graves.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    12:55pm
    I thought the saying was "we dig our grave with our knife and fork"?
    Once again everybody is getting type-cast.
    Whatever the percentage of overweight and obese people there are, there surely has to be a larger percentage of "just the right weight people" surely.
    I know a person who eats nothing but fatty foods, smokes and drinks, can't stand fruit or vegetables and he looks like a racing rat .... not a sign of the product of his habits. Others can put weight on just looking at a cream cake.
    I'd say your Evil Abbott and Jumping Joe couldn't care less about the health of anyone, the co-payment is just another means of hitting the people that can least afford it. Not all pensioners and low income earners can afford to smoke, drink, etc. it's not fair to type-cast.
    Tezza
    8th Jul 2014
    11:11am
    C'mon fellas, without the supposed 'well off' and the people who are employed, where do you think the government get their funds to support the 'not so well off.?
    If we had a government that bought votes by giving tax free cash hand outs and giving more in benefits, there would eventually be less workers and more people putting their hand out and less money to go around.
    The employed and the wealthy need to be assisted to work harder and smarter to be able to support the government.
    Why do you think that we are a magnet to economic refugees?
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    12:41pm
    Tezza the problem with the supposed "well-off" is they contribute much less than they should as far as taxes are concerned. You'll find that the lower income earners pay more of everything than the others that's why they are still at the bottom of the income earning scale, trying to make ends meet. Governments of all persuasions just love keeping low income earners exactly where they are, that's why they are hell bent on raising the bar for university education, only the well-off can afford to go there. Time doesn't seem to change anything.

    As far as the co-payment is concerned, I find it very offputting that there is not very much support coming from the organisations that supposedly are working for the benefit of pensioners and the like. I did hear that they have been more or less told not to rock the boat on this budget item, otherwise they could lose their government funding?! Due to the "silence" from ACOSS and the like, this seems highly likely.
    Sceptic
    8th Jul 2014
    3:55pm
    Mitzy, the top twenty percent of incomes pay sixty percent of the income tax. Also as they spend more on consumer goods, pay a greater amount of GST. The bottom fifty percent of income pay a net zero in tax, once the welfare payments have been set against the tax they pay. Just stop talking nonsense, and if you have a better idea how to get this country back into surplus, trying stating it. It is so much easier for you and most others on this site to moan about how much it impacts them than stop and think about alternatives that make sense.
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    5:52pm
    Download the following PDF. This explains in great detail and TRUTH how the system really works rather than what they want us to believe!
    SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    5:53pm
    Must be alzheimers setting in!!! Forgot the link:
    https://archive.org/details/TheMoneyTrick
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    6:00pm
    Sceptic: I was not talking nonsense nor was I moaning, I was stating fact. I don't indulge as you state in moaning about the impacts ..... etc. I disagree with your statement that the top twenty per cent of incomes pay sixty per cent of the income tax.

    The latest tax statistics show 75 ultra-high-earning Australians paid no tax at all in 2011-12. Each earned more than $1 million from investments or wages. Between them they made $195 million, an average of $2.6 million each. The "fortunate 75" paid no income tax, no Medicare levy and no Medicare surcharge, even though 60 of them had private health insurance.
    The reason? They managed to cut their combined taxable incomes to $82. That's right, $1.10 each. Cutting taxable income that far doesn't come cheap.
    Forty-five of the "uber" millionaires claimed a total of $64.4 million for the "cost of managing their tax affairs". That's a staggering $1.4 million each. (As a point of comparison an entry-level H&R Block consultation costs $49!).
    At face value the figures suggest these super-high earners were prepared to spend an unlikely half of their incomes on tax advice. A more likely explanation is that they received far greater incomes than they reported and spent only a portion on tax advice. It wasn't wasted.
    Ten of the millionaires claimed between them $1.3 million in work-related deductions, for things such as car expenses and clothing. Ten claimed a total of $5 million for donations and gifts, a category that includes political as well as charitable donations. And they ran LOSS-MAKING businesses.
    The 30 who were in business reported total business income of $121 million OFFSET by expenses of $122 million. Those who ran farms carried over $61.5 million in earlier tax losses and lost an extra $3 million in 2011-12.

    When it came to investing they bought up big on shares that paid so-called franking credits on which they could claim tax deductions and stayed away from those that did not. They received $18.7 million in franked dividends in 2011-12 and only $565,000 in dividends that were unfranked.

    From this budget these 75 will escape the deficit reduction levy applying to taxable incomes of more than $180,000. Their taxable incomes are close to NIL than $180,000 even though they are well off enough to afford outrageously priced tax advice! And, they'll almost certainly escape the extra charge for bulk-billed visits to the doctor. About the only thing they won't escape is HIGHER PETROL PRICES, although it should be noted that five of them claim work-related car expenses, so they might be able to pass those costs on to the Tax Office.

    IT ISN'T ONLY MILLIONAIRES. The tax office figures show there are 1,095 Australians earning in excess of $150,000 who pay no tax. Half of them sought tax advice and shelled out an impressive total of $98 million, which works out to $223,000 each. Their biggest lurk is NEGATIVE GEARING. Most lose large sums on properties they rent out in order to destroy their taxable incomes, hoping to make it up later when they sell the properties for a lightly taxed profit.

    This article came from the SMH 's Peter Martin.

    So, Sceptic: This government could, like so many other posters on this site have suggested, take an AXE TO THIS TYPE OF RORTING. This should bring in a great deal of revenue. It's not only the high end either, recently there was another article on "middle" income's huge entry into negative gearing, which suggests middle income has benefitted very well from the Howard years of middle income excess.
    I feel the lower income earners (the ones that want to work) deserve a better deal, they don't need medical co-payments, whatsoever. They don't earn or have the capacity to indulge in tax reduction, such as family trusts etc. they just pay the required amount of tax on the wages they earn and out of that tax they are paying Medicare levy and GST on their purchases.
    You can bet your bottom dollar the rich get a lot of items given to them, rubbing shoulders with like people and pay very little for anything.

    Sceptic what's your "ideas" on how to get this country back into surplus?
    KSS
    8th Jul 2014
    7:16pm
    There are over 23 million Australians and you are complaining about less than 2000 of them!
    And by the way, if you have private health insurance you do not pay the medicare surcharge no matter how much you earn.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    9:47pm
    KSS: I'm not complaining, I'm just stating taxation office figures as provided and quoted by SMH'S Peter Martin. Sounds like you could be one of those 75 ultra-high earners or one of the 1095 earning in excess of $150,000! You obviously approve and don't feel there should be an axe taken to this type of rorting.

    I don't have private health insurance, stopped making payments once Whitlam brought in Medicare. Prior to that, I did have health insurance from around 1959 to when Medicare commenced and I never ever ever claimed on it once. It was a sheer waste of money at the time, because when you are young, you are generally quite healthy. It would be more appropriate to have it now, but due to circumstances of having a disabled husband with MS for 24 years, 10 of which he was on the disability pension, our finances diminished and since he passed away two years ago this week, its one expense I just cannot afford.

    KSS: Somewhere here I read your comment about the $7 co-payment being rebated after the ten visits to either your doctor, pathology or imaging.
    Where did you acquire this information?
    I could be wrong, but I understood once you reached the ten visits and had paid out $70 for those ten visits you were not charged for subsequent visits.
    If this legislation is passed, and it commences in six months' time on 1st January, 2015 and it runs on a "calendar year" basis, have you any further knowledge as to how it applies year by year?
    I'd hate to think that the following year i.e. 1st January, 2016 it started all over again and pensioners got charged $70 for the first ten visits and nothing thereafter? It won't worry me too much as I am a lucky healthy individual and only a once a year check-up visitor to the doctor. I do have compassion for those who may be in a worse situation than me.

    I had a look on the Centrelink website under Medicare changes and couldn't see anything about the $70 being rebated.
    I did see however that from 1st January 2015 visits to the optician are treated a lot differently. Medicare rebate to concession holders will be reduced by $5 and opticians can charge what they like for the various tests they perform on eye health checks they will no longer be regulated.
    RoyW
    8th Jul 2014
    11:25am
    More leftist commentary and attitude. Why can't both sides of the argument be canvassed? I guess it is pretty difficult when the article is based on something in the Age!

    8th Jul 2014
    11:39am
    I'm a pensioner and I'm OK...ah well it's cuppa tea time
    tiger
    8th Jul 2014
    12:02pm
    I am 76 male pensioner fit and healthy. Only see my Dr for script( reflux) maybe 3 times a year. No other drugs. I usually have $200 to $400 over each F/N from the pension. I do very well on the $ 842.80 per F/N payment. Feel sorry for those that struggle. Whatever Clive and his party, and the Senate can do to help the Pensioners of this country I am all for.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    12:20pm
    Tiger...be careful, be very careful....you'll have the jealous ones attacking you for having money over from your pension...hee, hee. they hate anyone who saves or is doing ok on the pension....
    tiger
    8th Jul 2014
    12:29pm
    I budget very well. No public rent. I owe no one anything. Must be lots like me on the pension as well. Be careful of Abbott and Smokey Joe they will get your last dollar.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    1:02pm
    Everything we write on here is for public eyes, for the world to read.
    There are a lot of people NOT LIKE Tiger and, if you and Pix and others keep shouting from the rafters about how you save on the pension etc., what do you think you are advertising to this unfair government? The government thinks the "safety net" they are providing, needs cutting back. As each year goes by and our pensions are reducing in the way they are calculated, you may be "singing to a different tune".
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:10pm
    PIXAPD..........wake up again and think before you speak........ITS NOT ABOUT HAVING MONEY LEFT OVER FROM YOUR PENSION???WHEN YOUR HEALTHY AS.
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:14pm
    Hi Tiger, I thank you for comment.........BUT I wish my health was as good as yours????? my friend..........But I hope you understand the other side of the coin were others have (un-wanted) major health issues.....and unfortunately unable to save because of out of pocket Medical expensive and unless your in this situation you would not understand.............
    tia-maria
    8th Jul 2014
    1:17pm
    MITZY, excellent comment......just wish some seniors would stop and think first before they have FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE............and make it hard on the true down to earth battlers who suffer from Chronic health issues.............cheers
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    1:56pm
    Please apply to the Owner of this Blog..
    Retainers available.. to the Tony Adonis and Joe Cupid Admiration and Appreciation Society of Wherever they came from ???...
    Enjoy Your NO NAME Tea ...
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    2:49pm
    A day out for chemo is good....
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    2:51pm
    Tiger...you are correct... I owe nothing...don't believe in paying interest...it's a fools game.... best to be the head and not the tail, for the borrower is a slave to the lender.
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    5:56pm
    PIXARD
    The rest of us is NOT getting extra funds from the Government to feed the sort of concepts into this forum that you're doing.
    I'd rather be poor than increase my "Standard of Living" via submission to the "Slave Masters" from Canberra!
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    6:05pm
    Oh oh..I am upsetting some ferals...
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:14pm
    Ferals Pay Tax.. Slimey Slugs don't !!
    aprin38
    8th Jul 2014
    12:01pm
    all these charges put on the seniors people that have worked paid taxes in there later life have to still pay for the ones Who WON"T WORK like these on the pension for having children
    I know of a young girl never worked a day in her life now her child is turning 6 she is trying to have another child and don't care who the father is some poor sucker is going to get roped in for maintenance while she drink at the local pub and get all the benefits do you think this is fair some of the older people look after there money very well DON"T play pokes have only a glass of wine once a week have no debts and try and do the right thing while these unmarried mother are nothing then blood suckers
    Kathleen
    8th Jul 2014
    12:09pm
    It is not merely about the copayment, it is an attack on Medicare. Once begun, it will continue to erode this necessary medical way of life. It is the worst part of the budget because it affects everyone and our future much like the attitude the government has to the environment.
    Kathleen
    8th Jul 2014
    12:15pm
    Who would want to have pregnancies and babies and toddlers not to mention the pain of labour etc? It is a 24 hour job and the hardest one of all! It is not fun if you do it on your own! My daughter and her husband have two close and they are sleep deprived and the husband helps a lot. It always amazes me when people think it is an easy way out of the workforce. A job is eight hours a day and you have a life. Leave the single mums alone! I know how hard it is and how thankless with barely enough money to exist!
    iamnotold
    8th Jul 2014
    12:34pm
    Agree! Too many judge just by looking at people and have no idea of the facts of their lifestyle.
    KSS
    8th Jul 2014
    12:44pm
    It was always a 24 hour job. I have no sympathy, sleep deprivation goes with the territory. Deal with it. Our mothers did! We did! And don't start with the 'extra pressures today' rant either. Mums, single or married have chosen their path (for the most part - rape victims being the only ones who didn't), as have the Fathers. They should stop outsourcing their responsibilities to the rest of society and step up to the plate themselves.
    Paddles
    8th Jul 2014
    10:54pm
    KSS

    As one who follows these pages but largely remains silent, I must commend and endorse your contribution to this topic................Well said.
    KSS
    8th Jul 2014
    12:37pm
    "It found that a self-funded retired couple would expect, on average, to pay an extra $244 per year in health costs. Couples on the pension would expect to pay an extra $199. The average patient with type 2 diabetes would face additional bills of $120 a year regardless of age, and families would pay $38 extra per child under 16."

    So we are once again debating headline grabbing statements as facts! There is no mention in this discussion that the Government has also said pensioners would receive $70 rebate which covers the first 10 services (Dr visits, blood test etc) after which services are free. That makes it position neutral. Yes there may be prescription charge increases but there always are and frankly pensioners get a good deal on their prescription compared to non-pensioners.

    Even IF the Sydney Uni modelling is correct you are looking at an annual 'increase' of $4.69 for a S.F.R couple, couples on the pension would pay $3.82 between them, a single type 2 diabetic $2.30 and family with child $0.73 A WEEK!

    And this is before any decision has actually been made. People need to calm down. Gain a bit of perspective. Try to remember it will be your children/grandchildren who will have to pick up the bill for all the things you think you are entitled to because "I paid taxes all my life". How do you think they will do that?
    Oldie84
    8th Jul 2014
    12:48pm
    KSS prepare yourself to be showered with derision and veiled abuse. Voice of reason amid all this gobbledegook? They'll tear you limb from limb!
    KSS
    8th Jul 2014
    12:53pm
    Oldie81, I have girded up with armour :-). There will be nothing veiled about it....
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:03pm
    The Cunning Devils ..Well there goes Your last Pension Increase and any future one to Boot !!... You Voted for them So put up with it !! Case Closed !!..
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    3:28pm
    There was a letter to the editor of the daily paper a week or so ago and it really got stuck into the pensioners. This person was still in the workforce. I wish I had kept it and I would have retyped and put on here. Winging pensioners was the theme of the article and it is not the first time I have seen a letter of this type...went on about the number of them who appeared very well off and yet getting the pension and all the benefits associated with it.
    MITZY
    10th Jul 2014
    12:22pm
    KSS: I did ask you before about this $70 rebate somewhere above. You are indicating that you pay out 10 x $7 and then get it rebated? I will most probably (fingers crossed) never get up to using up $70 in one calendar year.
    What would be the purpose of charging people $70 for 10 visits and then rebating it back to them?
    If this is passed and commences in six months time i.e. 1st January 2015 and is based on a calendar year and "ongoing", come 1st January 2016, twelve months further down the track, do we start again paying $7 for the first 10 visits and receive a rebate and pay nothing for subsequent visits ...... and on it goes?
    The PBS fee is to increase on prescriptions by a further 80 cents, this is also schedules to commence on 1st January, 2015.
    These two new co-payment costs once legislated can easily be increased in years to come via future budgets. There are also changes to eye health visits to the optician.
    carmencita
    8th Jul 2014
    12:47pm
    That's a given....as we grow older, degeneration sets in so we need more medical assistance. It is unfortunate though that the values of the current government are not geared toward the less fortunate. I guess that's how politicians operate- why should they care when they're the ones to legislate who gets the better deal. In all these Budget upheaval, not one affects them except income tax. Even then, that can be manipulated. There was never a mention of cutting their allowances (entertainment, car, additional office, education and travel, etc...) on top of their salaries which they do not deserve.
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:46pm
    I like the Education bit !!
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    6:17pm
    The link below EXPLAINS ALL!!!

    https://archive.org/details/TheMoneyTrick
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:17pm
    Ide like to see Tone in School ! DUH !! ER ?
    Young Simmo
    8th Jul 2014
    1:05pm
    My wife and I are right in the firing line on this screaming rip off. We are both on medications that can only be prescribe at 28 days at a time. That equates to 27 visits each per year to the doctor, even a nurse cannot write the prescription. The bottom line for us is a minimum of 54 visits total per year X $7 = $378.00. That is before any coughs, colds, fall overs and bumped heads and cut fingers.
    And to think our dumb mentally retarded Pollies wont let us end it peacefully, so we would all be winners.
    KSS
    8th Jul 2014
    1:16pm
    Yes but after the first 10 it reverts to being free and you get $70 rebate. Position neutral!!!!
    Polly Esther
    8th Jul 2014
    1:57pm
    Carefully peruse what K S S has just stated. Why? because it's correct. That is IF it gets in. But anyway, for any body who thinks the pollies are "dumb and mentally retarded " it beggars the question "why waste your time to vote for them" ?
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:08pm
    Mentaly Retarded ?? They are that bad they were Rejected by the Asylum !!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:47pm
    And John West...
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    3:01pm
    Ring the surgery and the Dr can fax the script to the chemist, you get 5 repeats, so ring the surgery when down to the last repeat... most Dr's do not charge pensioners for doing this
    Young Simmo
    8th Jul 2014
    3:19pm
    PIXAPD, as usual you are only half right.
    Example, For Oxy Contin tablets you have to attend the doctor, the doctor has to make a weak attempt to convince you that you don't need them.
    Then the doctor has to ring a govt department and swap numbers and get an approval number. Finally he writes the prescription for 28 days worth.
    DEFINITELY NOT OVER TH PHONE.
    DEFINITELY NOT 5 PERSCRIPTINS.
    Not sure, but there is probably many types of med that this also applies to.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    5:44pm
    HA HA//thus the mirth goes on..with a script you get 5 repeats. You get 6 lots, the original issue and the 5 repeats, in other words the scripts run for 6 months The Dr gets Govt approval, writes the script which has 5 repeats, faxes the script to the chemist so they can dispense and mails the script to the chemist. Saves the pensioner a visit/s

    I know .....for all my medication, even if needing Canberra Approval on some tablets, are done..... I never visit my Dr for a script..I ring the Surgery give my details and it happens...enough said
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    5:47pm
    A way to save money on prescriptions is to ask your doctor to double the mg size, that way you can break the tablets in half so they go twice as far, wont work with capsules but will with tablets.
    Young Simmo
    8th Jul 2014
    5:51pm
    I have to ask the question::
    Anybody else out there that get this royal treatment?
    Or maybe I am on the wrong path and PIXAPDs meds are for broken toenails and ink stains on his fingers from a leaky biro.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    6:08pm
    Young Simmo - I think its time PIX paid a visit to the doctor and got reassessed.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    6:12pm
    It's Dr's and patients who can think, years ago I used to drop into the surgery and ask the receptionist to ask my Dr for a script which I later picked up, then I was told just ring and they would fax and send the script to the chemist. They charge $10 for doing scripts this way... BUT NOT for pensioners
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    6:13pm
    I realise some of you are not quick on the uptake, so to speak
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:25pm
    All these New Country's now to deal with now..Canadia,Japarn....
    Tom Tank
    8th Jul 2014
    1:21pm
    Probably the major complaint, and it covers virtually the whole budget, is the blatant lies and deceit of Tony in the lead up to the election.
    Add to that the outlandish claim by Joe about "Lifters" and "Leaners" inferring that the rich are the lifters. The budget overall is incredibly unfair with broken promises spread right through it with the exception of the Carbon Tax and "Stopping the Boats". Interestingly as well as keeping us in the dark about what is actually happening with the boats we are not being told about how much this is costing.
    At least we now know that Abbot and Morrison are spending $12million between them on "Media Advisors". All governments have been guilty of overspending on these in the past but never on this scal;e.
    I don't think it will be unfair to describe Tony as a very good Roman Catholic but a very bad Christian.
    To think this is just the start, what else does he have to store for us all.
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:24pm
    A FREE Puppy His Mongrel Dog had 8....Do not Rush ..
    Paddles
    8th Jul 2014
    11:03pm
    Tom Tank

    Hey mate, if you have any solid Labor Party connections, then could you please ask them to promulgate their alternative policies so as to allow us to make a balanced judgement??
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    1:38pm
    You know what I think? If I received the $7 Co Payment I could nearly afford to go to the Doctor !!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    3:26pm
    And have My Dimeture Treated !!.. And My Spelling !!
    Ted
    8th Jul 2014
    2:10pm
    I know of many over 65's who are quite simply hypochondriacs and this is fed by their doctors who over see them, over drug them and will test them for any simple little pain. For instance, I know of a case where a fasting blood sugar level is 3, testing during the day it goes up to 6 which is completely normal. During the day he doesn't eat properly then gets dizzy spells. Does the doctor test his BSL no he assumes its a heart problem so puts him on blood pressure tablets. His doctor has told him he is slightly diabetic and has him on metformin and diaformin. Not long ago he had a pain in his back to yes you guessed it his doctor orders xrays and ultra sounds. Too may older people focus solely on their health and are at the doctors constantly. His problem is boredom and not having a life, not medical an doctors over servicing so they can claim and claim from medicare! Interestingly this doctor has just come back from a huge oversees trip and has a brand new Mercedes sports car and laughingly tells everyone that this patient paid for it all. Laughing or not its the truth!

    What I am hoping is that it will lead to these type of people not going to the doctors as often and clogging up the system unnecessarily and being on drugs they really don't need to be or having tests that are not needed. Older age does not automatically lead to ill health and old age is not a medical problem that needs to be fixed with drugs. It a privilege not granted to all!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:31pm
    Please Stop Blabbing on Blogs and Wash and Detail My Merc.. Thank You..
    Dr Innsane....
    Adrianus
    8th Jul 2014
    4:06pm
    I don't know of any doctors who aren't wealthy? The previous government tried to go into competition with them by opening super clinics all over the place but they withstood the onslaught and proved their resilience.
    guyra2
    8th Jul 2014
    2:25pm
    Its over $6 per script which are replaced every month then the doctor or specialist visit to be another $7...if you have multiple medications and one visit per month it soon adds up...I'm a non-smoker and non-drinker always have been but if "Be healthy" is as easy as some seem to think...I'll just turn off the aging process..and line up for the Olympics.
    Don't think I'd Beat Abbot in the marathon though...travels the world and has most of us hanging by our knuckles for some resemblance of comfort
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    2:38pm
    And Impossible to Beat in the Nationald Lying Competition ..To be held in 2 Years Time..
    FrankC
    8th Jul 2014
    2:30pm
    Tia maria, I don't know where you live but here in SE Qld, it would be hard to find a practice that DOES NOT bulk bill. If I was you I would change my doctor, but surely if you are on a pension, you should not be paying.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    10:05pm
    Frank: I live in a country town. There are a limited number of doctors and they are all flat out and not taking on any more patients. My doctor died and the replacement was not interested in patients like me that visit only once a year for an annual check-up, so I had to find another practice/doctor. I managed to scrape into another one by sheer persistence and basically won the battle by telling them I would only be a "once-a-year" nuisance. By the way, there is only one local doctor in my area who bulk bills. All the rest have a big sign on the entrance to their practices saying "WE DO NOT BULK BILL". Apparently from what I hear, they do bulk bill but only to those very valued patients that visit them on a regular basis.
    Mar
    8th Jul 2014
    2:30pm
    It will affect me. I need a prescription I can only get fortnightly whilst I am waiting for surgery. I have to make a doctors visit to get it. Plus X-rays and cat scans also needing a co-payment. It will affect pensioners with a chronic illness more than others. Good luck to those who are healthy and see it as no concern of theirs. Hope you never get really sick.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    2:53pm
    Often you can ring the surgery and the prescription will be faxed to your chemist at no cost..and they send the script by mail.
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    6:26pm
    PIXARD,
    NOT WITH THE PAINKILLERS THEY (AS WAS MY PARTNER) ARE ON!!!
    FINALLY GET IF PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Penqueen1949
    8th Jul 2014
    2:31pm
    Of course this government knew before they came up with this ridiculous proposal. They regard us as a liability and what better way to get rid of the most vulnerable in society, attack failing health......
    Mar
    8th Jul 2014
    3:02pm
    Not the scripts I have to take.
    unicorn
    8th Jul 2014
    3:11pm
    The doctors will think of a way out, if possible, after all how can Big Pharma pay them if they don't prescribe their rubbish ?
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    3:23pm
    Losing a FREE Trip to a Luxurious Golf Club could be Devastating !!
    Mar
    8th Jul 2014
    3:26pm
    You may well ask why Hockey and Co., did not explore how this budget would affect the aged, the sick and the disabled. Could it be that they were totally focussed on their own status, their own importance, appeasing the wealthy, regardless of the injustice. This is a government with no compassion and no common sense. My own doctor sees the co-payment as courting disaster, being too difficult to operate successfully and unjust to pensioners. Hockey and Co., think they will be re-elected if they can get kudos for reducing the deficit and filling the coffers. I'm afraid too many will have suffered too much by then. This is the worst Government I have ever known. So ill informed. So egotistical.
    Stoker
    8th Jul 2014
    5:49pm
    No, MAR, what they did was look up the bloody great heap of C...p left by that last pack of twerps that called them selves a Govt., Oh dear "Hey Big Spender" what a sad sorry bunch that we are all having to make up for by paying off debt. Of course Shorten was part of the gang that lied and lied and delivered nothing. Of cours the Dr's are charging for some items we once did get for free, trying to make up for the ALP ripoffs from RGR.
    Supernan
    8th Jul 2014
    4:18pm
    Once again a bitter discussion. Those with chronic illnesses via those who have no idea. Yes its $7 each Drs visit up to 10, but also each 10 path test, each 10 specialist visits. And increased charges on medicines.

    Our Drs used to give out scripts without a visit but were told by Medicare not to do it. So no choice but to go.

    Neither of us are over weight, eat take away, smoke or drink & exercise regularly. But have chronic illnesses all the same. Because of excellent treatment, we stay quite well.

    How terrible of us to want to stay that way ! ! ! And have enough money left to stay in our own home & look after ourselves !
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    6:13pm
    I only go once a year to the doctor for a check-up. However, I noticed on my last visit a big sign on the reception desk. For repeat scripts there is a charge of $5 and we need to have 24 hours notice before you pick up the script?!
    They are all different, aren't they.
    G
    8th Jul 2014
    4:21pm
    This Government is no where near as dishonest and corrupt as the previous government. People welcomed the hand outs with open arms but now that it is time to pay the debt back no one likes it. It doesn't' matter who you are everyone has to play their part. Let's see how it goes. I don't think too many will be unfairly disadvantaged. There are far to many alarmists out there including the author of this article, scaring people unnecessarily.
    MITZY
    8th Jul 2014
    6:15pm
    The trouble is "G" not everybody plays his or her part?
    unicorn
    8th Jul 2014
    4:59pm
    To "G" it hardly matters what Governent is in power because Big Pharma controls them all so do not start that business of Labs Vs Libs they are all the same they are politicians & get paid whether it be by Big Pharma or whatever big miners they are all willing to go without a few $$ to get the parliament to do it their way.
    .
    *Imagine*
    8th Jul 2014
    6:24pm
    Did I imagine this, or was $5 of the new $7 co-payment ($2 of it is for Drs’ administration) directed towards a yet to be established research fund? Joe told us that It has nothing to do with reducing debt or providing funds to medicare, as some on this forum imply.

    When this new fund is large enough the interest will be invested in research on cancer cures and other health based issues. So said JOE. At the same time this same ‘clever man’ removed funding from the CSIRO whose remit is to do scientific research. No wonder the present government want to destroy what little education we have in this country. If we are all as thick and forgetful as they would like us to be then they can get away with even more blah blah blah. I think we need to dump the lot (both major parties) at the next election, Vote independent at least they provide a bit of humour!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    7:37pm
    FULL ON !!!!
    Bella
    8th Jul 2014
    6:32pm
    Where does PIXAPd live,? To be able to save $300 every pension day? I like some tips, I have a home, I struggle to keep it, but paid tax all my life from 14 years of age, feel entitled to keep it and hand it on to my children, otherwise the ride is not worth it. Better to blow your money and bludge at the end of your days. And be selfish, let someone else pick up the bill.
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    6:38pm
    it's called.... planning in your retirement...if people took time and read some comments they would see that quite a few folks save money from their pension, even some who rent...it's not rocket science.....
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2014
    6:45pm
    Something is very wrong for many folks...for the years of working from 13 to 60 -65 should have contained those years of raising children and the struggle to make ends meet..THEN in retirement that way of life should have ceased and it should be plain sailing.......yet seems many are BECALMED
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    7:59pm
    Life isn't like that for all people a lot I know have the Gran Kids shoved on them and all sorts of Catastrophes !! So if this isn't You and You are in reasonable Health ,Your Out Skating !!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:02pm
    PS.. All the way to the Bank to Shove Your 300 Bucks in !! and live like a Swaggie on the rest after Rent,Light,Rego,Insurance,Phone,and a Dunny Roll !!
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:11pm
    Bella... He is the Butler at Buckingham Castle !!
    Anonymous
    9th Jul 2014
    8:38am
    Even spiders live in palaces
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2014
    5:33pm
    In today's Sunday paper Noel Whittaker AGAIN said people around 40 years of age need to prepare for their retirement.
    I hope they read his column and take action.
    Twenty years ago he said the same thing.. Not very many took notice.
    Expecting the government (i.e. the taxpayers) to continue funding at the level people expect in retirement is " unsustainable".
    particolor
    13th Jul 2014
    6:31pm
    They would be better off learning Goat Farming and Date Picking now for their Retirement !!
    buby
    8th Jul 2014
    8:21pm
    THE RISE OF 7 BUCKS IS PROBABLY to put more money into the pockets of the doctors and gp.s i mean take a look at this, We don't really want this to be happening? this is shocking and it should not be happening!!!
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/24404065/cancer-patient-forced-to-wait-on-floor-of-gold-coast-hospital/
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    8:29pm
    ($)($) WOW a lotta 7 Bucks's there !!
    buby
    8th Jul 2014
    8:48pm
    parti, i reckon you were one of those rejected at the door to the assylum, please check your computer for virus's i'm sick of getting your answer three times in a row, usually means something is amiss with your computer
    particolor
    8th Jul 2014
    9:00pm
    No viruses !! it must be the Site or something. I get a lot of repeats in My inbox too !!
    Happy camper
    8th Jul 2014
    8:49pm
    Mick
    You just don't get it do you?
    The co-payment is not about over servicing. The GP component is the least costly part of Medicare.
    It is about the ideology of this government and the softening up of Australia's universal health system. You can bet the co-payment will be just the beginning of dismantling it if this ultra right conservative government has it's way. Remember Fraser did away with Medicare.
    buby
    8th Jul 2014
    8:52pm
    and yes happy i get that is the general drift, its sooooooo wrong/ we should not be going down the american way!
    Patriot
    8th Jul 2014
    10:04pm
    Happy,

    I think You're "Spot on the Mark"
    Let the process start now and it won't stop.
    Not Senile Yet!
    9th Jul 2014
    1:04am
    Non of you are getting the point!
    This is not about getting at anyone...pensioners or not!
    This Policy is about you pay! There are no FREE rides with a Liberal Right Wing Party Machine....Their Policy is you use ...then you pay!
    Oh you cannot afford it because you are on a limited income/pension.....oh how unfortunate for you.....next customer please....and I hope you have some money!!!!
    Oh Yes Happy Camper can see!....Sadly he thinks it's funny to copy out of date and failed American Punishment type Policies of the Right Wing Nazi type! Mind you the opposite....the Left Wing Labor Communism type are NO better!
    Their view is that to reduce the outlay to the Government (in terms of budget balancing) they need to spend less. To achieve that quickly....you make the public pay for more!
    They also believe Medicare is a BURDEN to them (budgeting wise) and would prefer to see it dismantled or thrown away altogether....and make everyone have private Health Insurance!
    To the ignorant it sounds good!
    But like selling off the Power, Water, Electricity and Gas with promises of cheap & more efficiency when run Privately!
    But in reality how much cheaper is your Power, Water, Electricity and Gas now that it is Privatised???....eh???....Well????
    And By the way...did they give any of the money acquired from the sell off's back to you the taxpayer?????.....NO!!!....
    Did they reduce our tax because they no longer need to finance these utilities...hence big savings in their budgets....Nooo!!!!
    Big Business owns the Liberal Party Machine......and it tells the Puppets you cote for what they want that is best for them......they do not care about you at all......unless you can't afford to shop with them.....but they want you only for taxes and to work for a minimum wage.....they do not care about anything else!
    Labor Party Machine is becoming just as corrupt by giving jobs to it's mates and implementing ridiculously unaffordable Policies.
    Stop Voting for the Party Machines because they are Corrupted!
    Vote for an Independent Next Election and put the Party Machines Last!
    As for copying USA....remember they do not believe in Government Pensions, Disability or Dole Payments.....and if you cannot afford Private Health Insurance......they say tough luck!
    We do not need to copy that pathetic attitude to our fellow citizens!
    We can and we should be able to do better!
    buby
    9th Jul 2014
    2:50pm
    AND yOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT (not senile yet)
    We had it good and we can do it again, just becareful whom your voting for.
    jangary
    9th Jul 2014
    1:43am
    Jeepers some short memories here
    Let's go back a few decades to when Gough Whitlam first introduced our free health system.
    Not only could we claim a rebate from Medibank, also claim the out of pocket expenses from our Private Health Fund, in actual fact I and my family paid ZILCH to see a doctor. Our National Health System was the envy of the world. I can remember this much but can't for the life of me think of who stuffed it all up, will have to delve into the archives on this one. particolor, I do look forward to your snippets of humour Cheers
    particolor
    9th Jul 2014
    9:30am
    I think The Boy From Nareen took care of that ?... Malcolm Friezian..

    9th Jul 2014
    9:12am
    Not long now to pension increase in September....aaahhh......
    particolor
    9th Jul 2014
    9:36am
    Enjoy..
    Happy
    9th Jul 2014
    2:02pm
    You wont be saying that after July 2017 if Tony gets in when you pension starts to reduce relative to the cost of Living and you wont be able to save your $300 per fortnight anymore, instead you will be using up all those savings you have accumulated and when they are gone you will be complaining then you cant afford to see the doctor or afford to live!!!
    Anonymous
    9th Jul 2014
    2:39pm
    You folks do bring a certain MIRTH.....hee, hee..... you ought to be in show business
    Anonymous
    9th Jul 2014
    2:48pm
    MY cost of living is relative to what I do not spend, not the Govt...the pension can reduce...that's ok......it will still be enough to live on.. nearly $1000 per fortnight isn't bad
    particolor
    9th Jul 2014
    3:04pm
    What FN Pension are You on ???? Plus Propaganda Retainer !!... Fer **** Sake !!!
    Anonymous
    9th Jul 2014
    3:14pm
    AS I said...some of you bring MIRTH....and a merry heart does good like a medicine...so keep making me laugh...and nearly $1000 FN is not bad
    Anonymous
    9th Jul 2014
    3:24pm
    Folks love to call me names and or ridicule me...so I just keep telling the truth and some get so angry.....their reactions to the truth brings MIRTH
    particolor
    9th Jul 2014
    3:38pm
    Up and Down like a Derrick He Went
    Happiness Showed ..
    As the Good Oil Flowed !!..
    Parti..14
    Young
    11th Jul 2014
    8:44am
    The system is clogged up now by younger parents who have no idea how to deal with a cough or rash.Off to the doc for anything.We need this copayment to keep some of these no hopers out of the system.My mum new all the old remedies and actually cooked us meals so we very rarely needed to visit a doc.My mum is 93 and been to doc twice in her life.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2014
    12:30pm
    Yes I remember being given the old remedy of spoon of sugar with kerosene ...cleared the throat ok...made you burp a lot too....ha ha
    particolor
    12th Jul 2014
    4:14pm
    The Rust off an Old Axe Head for Ring worm..
    particolor
    12th Jul 2014
    4:18pm
    A spoon full of Castor Oil for Anything ?? No wonder I grew up with a Greasy Axle !!
    seth
    13th Jul 2014
    1:01pm
    Is the $7 co payment to be as well as the $10 payment now payable to my wife's' GP.?
    particolor
    13th Jul 2014
    6:35pm
    Pesky Wabbit !!... Yes as well as Extra for Prescriptions !!
    seth
    13th Jul 2014
    7:06pm
    Bring back the French Revolution then, the crooks.

    13th Jul 2014
    7:16pm
    In a fair dinkum society we would all take responsibility for our own health to as far a degree as is possible. How many of us smoke (or have previously); over eat; indulge in too much alcohol, and don't take enough exercise? And then we expect the "system" to look after us for nothing - another fantasy of the Hawke/Keating years. We need to wake up as a society and get real as to what is affordable, and what is not!
    particolor
    13th Jul 2014
    8:21pm
    Joe said Thank You for passing this on !!
    buby
    13th Jul 2014
    10:07pm
    in A FAIR SOCiety....lol thats a joke, when they introduce hormones into our meats, and pump full of rubbish, and Genetically modified foods. NO wonder Cancer is on the rise. HOW is this fair. And anything Called "organic" now, YOU pay more for...NOthings fair at all ARE a dreamer Big Al? phhhhhht

    14th Jul 2014
    8:35am
    Nothing is set to happen 'til Jan and July 15...... have a cuppa tea, a Bex and a good lay down.....
    particolor
    14th Jul 2014
    9:10am
    And if Symptoms Persist Consult Your local GP in the Morning !!..SNORE !!!!
    tomtom
    15th Jul 2014
    9:15am
    Great to see so many of you put your comments in this column, however, why the hell don't you ALL write/phone/e-mail your parliamentary representative, YOU put them there, make them earn their money - I have followed up with mine, complete and utter waste of time, however, he will be the loser when he loses my vote at the next election, so, put pressure on the politicians, we elected them to represent us, not to do what they or the party want - I think it is about time, we the seniors of this great country, which we helped build, raise our voices and let these politicians know how we feel. GO SENIORS
    particolor
    15th Jul 2014
    9:34am
    Don't Encourage Them !!!! Look what They Elected LAST TIME ????
    particolor
    15th Jul 2014
    9:37am
    RIPLEY'S Believe it or Not !?
    Valhalla
    4th Aug 2014
    9:46am
    Why is the government so intent on paying the maternity allowance to the wealthy? doesn't make sense and depriving the least that can afford it- the pensioners -some go the Doctors more than others because they -have to -I only go when I have to -I do appreciate the good health system we have and that the government does give us pensioners some benefits as in some countries they get nothing -but of course that will happen here in the future and we will be worse off -I won't be here so it won't affect me or you.
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    9:57am
    Val.. That's what they want !! I'm gunna Hang around until I'm 126 just to Nark Them !!