Customers left questioning supermarkets’ integrity

Woolies sends ‘shocking’ tweet and Coles caves in to slow-to-adapt customers.

Shopper in a supermarket

Despite a new report claiming that shoppers trust bricks-and-mortar retailers more than online sites, one major supermarket has been left red-faced this week and another has gone back on its word.

Woolworths was caught with its pants down when an inquiry from an ABC News journalist asked why the grocer did not have locally canned beans on its shelves.

The question, asked via Twitter, elicited this tweet from the supermarket giant: “Hi Emma, we're sorry to hear about disappointment towards our tinned beans. We aim to provide the best quality products to our customers and sometimes this means supplying imported products as they're far superior.”

The response drew quick condemnation and left customers questioning the grocer’s integrity, as it was seen to be at odds with Woolies’ protracted efforts to embrace Australian produce.

Victorian Farmers Federation vice-president Brett Hosking said he was stunned by the tweet.

“I was actually quite shocked that they would have come out and said that, to imply that overseas products are superior to local products,” Mr Hosking said.

“Both major supermarkets have put a lot of work into extolling how much work they've put into working with growers, and how much they want to support Australian growers.

“Then to set a statement like that that completely contradicts all that rhetoric, it's really disappointing.’’

The grocery chain went on to issue a statement apologising for saying that Australian products were of lesser quality than imported ones. It added that the earlier tweet did not “reflect our view of Australian-grown products”.

“Sometimes we do need to source products from overseas, but it's always our first preference to source locally,” the statement said.

And in another backflip, rival supermarket giant Coles has put a small group of stubborn customers’ wishes ahead of its own stated environmental concerns.

Coles has said it would continue to hand out free thicker plastic shopping bags to help customers adjust to the scrapping of single-use bags.

“Some customers told us they needed more time to make the transition to reusable bags,” a Coles spokesperson said.

The decision has alarmed environmentalists who say that the thicker plastic bags are a greater hazard for the environment than the single-use ones because they take longer to break down in waterways and other habitats, putting wildlife at risk.

Environmental group Greenpeace said Coles' decision was bad for the planet, ABC News reported.

“Coles have caved in far too quickly to a small but vocal minority and there is absolutely no doubt Coles will be punished for this decision by customers who don't want to see plastic bags littering their beaches and killing marine life,” Greenpeace campaigner Zoe Deans said.

When Coles first announced it would phase out the lighter plastic bags, it explained: “We are committed to phasing out single-use plastic carry bags by 1 July 2018 across all our stores because we believe it is the right thing to do for the environment.”

But yesterday, Ms Deans observed: “[Coles] talked the talk but haven't walked the walk.”

Meanwhile, Monash University Business School’s Consumer Retail Trust Index 2018 found consumers see online retail as less trustworthy than physical store-based merchants.

More than 600 shoppers were quizzed about which retailers deserved their loyalty and supermarkets came out on top. Next on the list was pharmacies, followed by retailers of sporting goods, technology, department stores, homewares, clothing and footwear.

Do you think it was wrong of Coles to cave in to a minority of customers who haven’t been able to adjust to the plastic bag phase-out? Do you believe Woolworths’ slip-up over imported canned beans reveals that supermarkets really do not take Australian produce seriously?

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    Not a Bludger
    2nd Aug 2018
    10:26am
    You too can be permanently outraged - bash the big banks, bash the big supermarkets, bash big government - in fact, bash anything that moves.
    Now that I know that yourlifechoices has partnered with getup, what else would one expect!
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:42am
    True NAB but at least they give us a forum to speak our mind.
    Yes, this is a Labor platform - but it is well mannered and has a lot of logical thinkers.
    Comments written on this forum are read outside YLC and it does make a difference. :)
    Puglet
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:45pm
    NAB membership of GetUp and YlC is not compulsory. As Rosret says both provide a voice for people who don’t have a voice. I’ve no idea If YLC is a Labor platform because we aren’t asked who we vote for! I think you may be very surprised if you looked up the membership of GetUp! Yes, many are lefties but there are also prominent right wing names. The Save our ABC campaign supporters include past LNP ministers and other conservative ex-politicians - many from National Party Heartland.
    Not a Bludger
    2nd Aug 2018
    3:50pm
    As maybe, Puglet - but not me.
    Yourlifechoices should nail their colours to the mast and declare, upfront, their memberships and affiliations.
    As I recall, originally, it was formed by an insurance company grouping.
    So, come clean, mylifechoices, who owns/controls you and to whom are you affiliated.
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:29pm
    Not a Bludger, no Australian person, company, business or media, which includes the Your Life Choices magazine journalists, is now, or ever has been, required to stand up and state their political preferences - that is why we have closed ballot boxes which does save a lot of brawling and also a lot of bloodshed at polling booths around the country.
    pedro the swift
    2nd Aug 2018
    10:42am
    Why do we need to import canned vegies ? Better quality? . I don't think so.Its just another aspect of the Great Australian Cringe. "its from overseas, so it must be better". When the hell will Australia learn to stand up for itself in the world. In many aspects we are still "tugging the forelock" to our so-called betters. Insist on local. I will never buy imported if Aussie produce is available.
    As far as Coles and their bags go , issuing free bags is a mistake. The Gov. passed legislation to ban single use bags so suck it up. If any shoppers have a problem with this talk to their Gov rep. The more useless plastic they ban the better. And don't even start me on some of the packaging rubbish.
    And yes we need to be permanently outraged when we find out how we have been conned from all sides by big business, big banks and specially big government. Viva la revolution!!
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:09am
    Well said Pedro.
    JJ
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:06pm
    Amen!
    Puglet
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:18pm
    Each time i’m tempted to buy overseas canned/frozen vegetables and fruit I remember where the fertiliser in most Asian market gardens comes from. Yes local produce is more expensive but at the moment I can afford to pay. Actually I buy little tinned/frozen stuff because I buy fresh locally grown produce none of which is wrapped in plastic!
    mike
    2nd Aug 2018
    10:42am
    According to Skynews, its the river systems in Asia and Africa that pollute the oceans, whilst our plastic bags actually help stabilise landfill. The only advantage of the thicker plastic bags is that it will make a huge profit for Coles and woolies and be good for the mum and dad shareholders. Incidently I saw an ad for Noni-B where they made a huge thing out of going bag free. So it browsing my wife decides to buy a new evening dress, what is she to do, stuff it in her handbag. Get real Noni-B and other retailers.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:48am
    Just flip it over your shoulder, tags and all! No one will know whether it has been shop lifted or purchased. Its an idea that won't last long.

    This of course is Noni B who pays the overseas workers a $1 for a $100 polyester dress? Who has a shop in a Mall that has no windows, is air-conditioned and lit like a football stadium 7 days a week.

    The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
    Polly Esther
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:11pm
    mike - I sympathize, I absolutely agree with your first two sentences, and I gave up shopping at "Best & Less" a long long time ago for the same reason.
    Cheers, have a good day
    Anonymous
    5th Aug 2018
    5:16pm
    If NoniB and other womens retail outlets expect me to put a brand new item in my own bag they will not get my business.

    If I am spending big bucks (which is rare) on something I expect it to be at least put into a paper bag which is what they did prior to plastic bags.
    Shelley53
    2nd Aug 2018
    10:53am
    Your Life Choices partnered with GetUp? AWESOME!!
    PS: people should take responsibility for their own behaviour, Coles and Coles customers who can't be bothered to remember to take more environmentally friendly bags to shop there....Shame on you!
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:54am
    I recently went to put an article YLC and Microsoft stepped in and gave me a list of over 50 cookies attached to the site.

    I see it this way. We have the ability to get our thoughts out there under a pseudonym and debate arguments logically and pleasantly no matter what our political persuasion.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:25pm
    Rosret I don't understand much about cookies but what annoys me
    on YLC is the continual pop ups usually on boat trips or finance, I've complained but never received an answer
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:22pm
    I agree with you, Shelley.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:49pm
    Well trood if you start looking up holiday travel our you read their Saturday edition they see you as someone who just might like a holiday on a cruise ship.
    All you have to do is accidentally click on an ad and heaven forbid how you will get bombarded.
    I go up to history (the three vertical dots in the top right hand corner) and delete any page I accidentally click.
    Every now and again I delete all my history.
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    2:45am
    Agree Shelley....mine now permanently placed in my "boot" after unpacked, easy - a new habit.
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:07am
    We buy our vegetables fresh from the local farmers market, failing that from a greengrocer where the items are much better than from the multi-national supermarkets.
    As for the plastic bags - if people were unable to accept no plastic bags with more than one months notice they will never accept it. Cloth bags are available from market stalls, or make them yourself, they are easy enough, and will probably outlast most of us without damaging the environment.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:11pm
    Now tell me what's the difference between getting free bags from Coles and me having to buy rolls of bin liners instead. Nothing changes for the environment but the supermarket makes a 15c extra per bag. Get rid of those take away coffee cup first, the bags I use for my bins, bathroom and kitchen, about 6 a week. Good on Coles for reversing that stupid decision. Let the greenies pay their 15c at Aldi.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:29pm
    AutumnOz - Coles and Woolies are not multi-national supermarkets. Most of superannuation holders are shareholders in both companies.Wholly German Aldi you can call Multi, all over Europe and America and here.
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:35pm
    Cowboy Jim neither Coles nor Woolies are Australian owned companies, nor are they the same companies we knew 50 years ago as G.J. Coles and Woolworths the names sound very similar but they are not the same companies as those who owned and operated the originals.
    Check it out.
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    6:27pm
    Cowboy Jim, Greenies don't buy plastic bags at all, (& certainly not from Aldi). We bring our own re-usable bags & have done so for years.
    Tis only me
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:08am
    pedro the swift and Shelly53 I couldn't agree more.
    Stores should not have made those 'reusable' plastic bags available. If people didn't know the ban was coming they must've been hiding under a rock for at least 12 months. What lazy, first world entitled people we have become! We really can't tolerate the slightest inconvenience.
    If you're going shopping for clothing, how about taking your own bag - might slow down the impulse buying a bit!
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:18pm
    I disagree. These supermarket plastic bags are durable and can be used over and over again.
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:26pm
    They're not that durable, KAL, the ones I had were used perhaps 3 or 4 times or less and developed tears. I now have cloth ones and they really can be used over and over again.
    casey
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:22am
    Remember the days before supermarkets. Had to take your own shopping bag or basket. Go to the High St, and visit so many shops eg. butcher, greengrocer, fishmonger, dairey shop. Gave us a bit of exercise too. And with no refrigerator you had to go every couple of days.
    What happened to string bags, you could squeeze them up to virtually nothing and carry them in your pocket. Looking at the world today I think we were a lot more virsatile then.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:42pm
    I am not that old casey.
    They always provided paper bags and even gift wrapped some purchases with tissue, paper and then a bow.
    The cheap supermarkets provided cardboard boxes.
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:38pm
    And the paper bags provided were much stronger than the one use plastic bags that often fell apart before reaching the car.
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:30pm
    Unfortunately we allowed ourselves to be seduced by one-stop-shop supermarkets and chain stores and malls so we lost all those high street shop keepers. Sad.
    Bluewren
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:25am
    Ban plastic bags. Just do it.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:19pm
    No. Better to make them from recyclable and biodegradable plastic.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:39am
    Coles is a business with share holders. I am willing to bet sales have temporarily dropped.

    I know myself that I am constantly watching how much I buy against how many bags I have with me. If its stopping me impulse buying or even buying as much as I normally would then I suggest there are many more like me. That 15c is nothing to the loss in sales.

    They have said it was a temporary convenience. It is not law. So let them run their business and see what can be done to clean the oceans to our north where there is actually a problem.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:18pm
    As a bloke I do not carry a handbag and stuffing plastic bags in my pockets is a no-no. When I see things I like to buy then I do it and I do not go 'shopping' with a purpose. I do it on impulse and that is where I will buy a bag; if the bag is free so much the better. Really a single or a couple can easily buy a bag.
    Rae
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:48pm
    Sales may have also dropped as government charges, fuel rise and retail and hospitality wages fall as well as some rebates.

    I know I no longer buy any products not essential as I'm in saving mode once again. The Government did me no favours in any of their last five budgets.

    I've also noticed the meat prices at Coles is slightly higher than the butcher except for pork and chicken so have returned to the butcher for beef and lamb and the fish monger is much cheaper than Coles or Woolies now.

    Fruit and veg is better quality at the local produce store and the same price as the majors.

    It might be transport costs or something else.Or shareholders or the cost of all that automation and shoplifting going on.

    Even the Metro beats diesel pricing by 12 cents a litre against the Coles, woolies fuel partners now.

    Comparative shoppers may be voting with their wallets.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:13pm
    Rae and I are lucky to have butchers and fish mongers still; one green grocer I have still left. Most of my mates a bit further out are lucky to have a supermarket in driving distance. Had everything close in Melbourne, most of my stuff was bought at Victoria Market. Wish I was near one of those where I live now.
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    2:49am
    May have been kinder to customers (us) as they are in USA....free paper bags there.
    Rae
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:09am
    Yes Cowboy a central producers markets in each region would be a terrific idea. Wouldn't suit the supermarkets though and as we know Business is King and Queen these days.
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    6:44pm
    You're right, Rosret. If people aren't "ready" for the revolution by now, they won't ever be ready.
    I avoided Coles when they crumbled to the Plastic Bag Brigade, just out of principle. Anyway, I only go there when they have really good specials on things I can stock up on, which is rare.

    For Rae & Cowboy, just Google "Farmers Markets" in your local area. Unless you live in the Outback, I'm fairly sure you'll find some great, fresh, local produce nearby. There's a revolution going on in our communities, so get on board! The more we support local markets the better the service they'll give us.
    ozirules
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:45am
    we always try to buy Australian but more often than not the goods are more expensive than imports. IE tinned tomatoes from Australia can cost double those from Italy. As budgets feel more strain from outrageous power bills etc. less and less Australian products will be bought until they will disappear from supermarket shelves.
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    2:55am
    We've been recommended by all & sundry to follow a Meditarranean diet - reckon canned Italian tomatoes "fit the bill."
    Bren
    2nd Aug 2018
    11:53am
    “Some customers told us they needed more time to make the transition to reusable bags,” a Coles spokesperson said.

    More time needed to make the transition from plastic bags!!! Right
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:04pm
    "Integrity"????? Big business has little or none and it comes down to individual CEOs and Boards if they give a damn. Nearly all care only about profits and their next big bonus. The government refuses to address the fraudulent remuneration of CEOs and their Boards as well! It should be fixed and can easily be done but is intentionally let go.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:29pm
    So Mick, if it can easily be done, and I agree with you that it should be, why didn't Dudd/Dullard/Dudd do it when they had the opportunity? Obviously building school halls was more important! As I have said in this forum before, the amount paid to a CEO should be set as a reasonable multiple of the bottom base line rate of pay of the general workforce. So in banking for example, if a teller is at the bottom of the scale at say $50k for a full time position, then given that a CEO might put in up to double the hours, he/she should only expect to receive say ten times the base rate - I think that would be fair.
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:28pm
    Respectfully Big Al the big salaries have only become (over) obvious in the past 5 years: Joyce $22 million, Dominoes CEO $37 million and a few more in between.
    I fully agree with your logic following. CEOs and executives should not be able to exceed a certain multiple including all forms of remuneration. That does not mean fake bonuses, free shares and partly paid shares, etc. on top of.
    Nice to see we agree on something!
    I personally don't think earning 20 times the media wage is a problem but I do consider 100 times or more is crooked.
    Sen.Cit.90
    2nd Aug 2018
    3:41pm
    Yes, Anonymous & Mick. I feel that this is where the problems lay in much of our social woes.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:19pm
    Mick, while I fundamentally agree that remuneration for some is obscene, I don't agree that anyone but shareholders should set the remuneration in the case of corporations. That is a dangerous step to take because Australia is a free country and its citizens are free to make whatever decision they wish providing it is lawful. There is a free market out there and a free market sets its own prices and costs. Perhaps the answer is that only shareholders who attend an AGM can vote on remuneration and each shareholder is entitled to one vote only regardless of the number of shares held. No proxies should be allowed.
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:23pm
    Shareholders? NO. That's NOT how it works and it has NOTHING to do with attending AGMs and everything to do with WHO owns most of the shares...and it is not mum and dad shareholders.
    Institutional shareholders hold the majority of shares and CEO pay is a game of leap frog. Companies almost NEVER refuse to rubber stamp a pay deal because this passes on to them in time. It's a fraudulent game which is never ended. That's why we recently saw the Dominoes CEO get a package of $37 million. Sickening.
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:25pm
    We have a minimum wage so why not a maximum wage? We certainly need a public servants salary limit.
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    3:03am
    Perhaps b/c of their huge donations to Libs Mick. No I'm not an ALP fan, not a fan of all Politicians/Parties. Wait for their agendas prior to elections & after thorough research & living in hope that they're not lying (sic!!), choose who I vote for.....happy to have so very many more joining me re being a swinging voter as I've been for decades, since 18yo.

    2nd Aug 2018
    12:26pm
    I recently did some long needed shopping for footwear and clothing and was successful in finding what I wanted. Each shop gave me a free bag to carry my purchases home. Why should supermarkets not provide the same service? When it's all boiled down, supermarkets are providing a service with bags to carry purchases home but it's no longer free. Add to that the fact that the bags that are now for sale are made of plastic.

    For those who do a large shop once a week, here's a tip. Go to the checkout without bags and a trolley full of items and when the nice young person asks if you have bags or would you like to buy some, tell them that if they don't supply the bags free that you'll walk out and leave the trolley. You will get free bags. Incidentally, if you are given free plastic bags in Alice Springs, how will that affect the fish in the ocean?
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:49pm
    Yes, and in Alice Springs when the wind blows the plastic bags will hold all the rubbish at the tip together so it doesn't all tumble across the Nullabor unabated.
    A lot of research has gone into the supermarket biodegradable shopping bag - not anymore.
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:10pm
    Watch The War on Waste OM. Yes it is the ABC and anything on the ABC is not worth watching????
    Even you will be amazed at how much plastic there is and growing. This is a problem which already impacts us all, not media hype.

    You may see no relevance in being inconvenienced and the rest of the planet may not care yet but like renewable energy and coal this issue is coming to get us all.
    I care about the next generation. So should all decent people.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:30pm
    Yes MICK, there is a plastic problem world wide and supermarkets pretending to do something about it is hypocritical. They are replacing free plastic bags which quickly degrade with plastic bags the consumer has to pay for which are a sturdier plastic which takes much longer to degrade, if at all.

    The plastic that is swirling about in the oceans is not from the degradable bags from supermarkets but a much heavier type. Just thinking about plastics has made me look around my office. I'm typing this on a plastic keyboard, occasionally using a plastic mouse, looking at the typing to ensure legibility on a plastic monitor. I have a printer made of plastic, a scanner made of plastic, a landline 'phone made of plastic, an answering machine made of plastic, I'm looking through plastic lenses on my plastic glasses and listening to my favourite iTunes on plastic speakers.

    When I grew up, a lot of items were made of steel and were repairable so I'm not too surprised that there is a lot of plastic in this throwaway society. Supermarket bags which quickly degrade are the least of my worries.
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:27pm
    Single use plastic bags by their sheer numbers would have to be the main offender OM. We used to come home with at least a dozen of them before making a concerted effort to buy bags some of which we have been using for 4 years and still going strong.
    What we need is degradable bags NOT bags made from plastic which take thousands of years to break down, with the smaller particles then being ingested by fish....and us. What comes around goes around! We owe future Australians better than a burnt planet with filth in every corner. Don't you think so????
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    3:11am
    The whole plastic bag saga is a farce/rip-off. If Coles & Woollies really cared they'd provide us with paper bags (as per USA & many other countries) or the boxes their produce are delivered in daily as does Bunnings. It's just an excuse for 'em to increase their profits as we all know.....especially as most other retailers are still happily supplying plastic bags for customers.
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    7:20pm
    You sound like a real arsehole, Old Man.
    I hope "the nice young", underpaid cashier tells you where to go or better, advise you to go through the self-serve checkout (if you refuse the cashier's assistance) & return your groceries to your trolley, then pack them into your car yourself.

    It seems some people feel entitled to free plastic bags. It's so easy to bring your own reusable bags, unless you're a moron. Plastic shopping bags aren't the main cause of plastics in the ocean, but they do choke turtles, fish, birds & mammals in waterways.

    Every bit of plastic counts! Stop shirking responsible behaviour!
    Lorrainehk
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:32pm
    As the saying goes. Empty vessels make the most sound. The rest of the developed world is laughing at us and the plastic bag issue. Many countries banned them long ago. Some of the previous comments just show how many people are just concerned about themselves and not their grandchildren or the future of the country/world.

    The old bin liner argument again. Goodness me use newspaper or bread/ Potato bags
    I always carry a fold up shopping bag in my handbag in case I happen to buy an evening dress when out shopping.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:41pm
    Bread and potato bags are also plastic, Lorrainehk, in case you have not noticed and as I said above, blokes do not carry handbags, maybe in Darlinghurst they might but not around here. "I always carry a fold up shopping bag in my handbag . . ." OK for females.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:54pm
    I stopped buying newspapers years ago.
    Bread is in a plastic bag.
    In fact the entire supermarket is plastic.

    The shopping bag was virtually the only plastic bag I did use multiple times.

    We just need to make bread loaves twice the size.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:36pm
    I have no problem with plastic bags being used as bin liners as they will end up as garbage in landfill. The problem is if they are not used for this purpose and allowed to roam free , blow over the country and blow or are thrown into the oceans. Plastic bags are not the problem, it's the lazy slackarse humans the world over that don't do the right thing!
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:33pm
    Actually, Rosret, we need bread companies to cut their slices thinner. The size of each slice now must be three times as thick as when I was growing up. No wonder there are a lot of spreading hips around.
    Johno
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:32pm
    What's up with you people in the Eastern states? In SA we've been bringing our own bags to reuse for over 10 years that I can recall. Just do it! We've also had 10c refundable on drink containers. Not rocket science. JUST DO IT and stop the whinging!
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:54pm
    Remember you had 4c on containers 40 years ago when I visited your state. Daily paper cost 10c so the 4c were worth something then. I am not driving 30 km to hand them in so it is just an extra cost to many of us in regional Australia. I suppose some scrounger can always fish them out of our yellow bin, welcome! Carton of beer went up $3.50 and your returns are $2.40.
    BAT
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:29pm
    Totally agree Johno! It's not that hard.Just need to be organised .
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    5:54pm
    johno, you can't even supply your own electricity in s.a. you have to buy it from victoria and new south wales and stand in absolute awe that by pushing the button in the dark the sky lights up, talking about living in the dark ages!!!!!!!!!!!!!! still wonder if you even knew in s.a what the word "plastic" meant
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    8:41pm
    The normal right wing lies and propaganda we are all used to heemsjerk.
    If you could read I'd suggest you read the following from start to finish:

    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-south-australia-have-the-highest-energy-prices-in-the-nation-and-the-least-reliable-grid-92928

    But of course your propaganda relies on both state cherry picking and NOT bothering to look at the facts. This is what the coal industry, its government and the trolls they employ do.
    Here is a link which puts the entire issue into perspective:

    https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/policy-advocacy/electricity-prices.html

    Oh yes.....not from The Courier Mail, The Australian or any one of the numerous rags working to entrench coal.

    For those who read this long comment the cost of actually GENERATING the energy is only about one quarter of the cost to the public. The link above gives the information in detail.

    Go litter the country with some more of your plastic bags heemsjerk. Your speciality.
    Angelique
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:36pm
    What a lot of fuss people have been making about the banning of plastic bags. How much "time to make the transition to reusable bags" do they need? They will never be ready and a pity Coles has caved in on this issue.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:19pm
    "reusable bags", are bags used more then once, plastic bags fall under this catogory, coles did not cave in, they realised they are there for the the majority of their customers and not just for pleasing the unwashed p.c. " political cockroaches" approach of to-days so-called modern society, great to see the normal, self thinking ( non brainwashed university graduates ) standing up, hope this will be the start of a gradual return to civilisation!
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    8:43pm
    Cockroaches? You heemsjerk.

    Plastic bags are what they are and they last like forever albeit in smaller and smaller particle sizes. Enjoy eating plastic.
    Lorrainehk
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:46pm
    Cowboy Jim. Probably you won’t need to worry about your evening dress either. My husband carries his fold up shopping bag in his pocket or clipped to his belt keeper. Not that difficult really.

    Yes plastic bags are everywhere and I do buy my bread in plastic. That is why I never have to buy bin liners.
    Happily retired early
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:47pm
    Australia used to be the clever country now we are just plain dumb and getting dumber.
    All these clowns patting themselves on the back for replacing a plastic bag with a plastic bag and paying for it and thinking they have saved the world is just ridiculous. The original bags were not single use in our house and used over and over again.
    Why do we just copy other countries instead of the old Aussie engenuity where we would come up with a bag that does break down and fertilisers the planet.
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:04pm
    Happily retired early - I agree with you 100%.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:01pm
    They obviously haven't been to India or Indonesia.
    I am not against solving the plastic problem - it just needs smarter people putting their heads together and producing a better alternative.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:30pm
    hre, look at rosret answer and it will give you the insight why in the eyes of some that would be too simple!!!!!!!!!!!! why make it look easy if you can do it the hard way with the same outcome?
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    7:34pm
    The cloth foldable bags I've been using for 10+ years have never needed to be replaced. They're still in my car, contained in a small pouch.

    I don't use plastic bags at all! Use non-plastic biodegradable bin liners for compost & garbage. NO NEED FOR PLASTIC.
    Lorrainehk
    2nd Aug 2018
    12:49pm
    Many other countries use washable reusable cloth bags. We certainly haven’t copied anyone who is sensible with this debacle
    Happily retired early
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:03pm
    Have you seen how filthy some of the cloth bags are that the poor checkout person has to put their hands into, spilt blood from meat and just plain dirty.
    Rosret
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:57pm
    Yes, Happily Retired. I hope they are up to date with their vaccinations. The checkout assistants really should all be using gloves.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:24pm
    Have you tried washing those "cloth" reusable bags? I did and nearly ruined the pump in the washing machine as they just broke into thousands of little bits.
    AutumnOz
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:48pm
    OG. if the cloth bags broke up in the washing machine they could not have been made out of cloth which is a woven fabric and doesn't break up when washed in a washing machine. They were probably those thickish biodegradable bags which do fall apart fairly easily.
    Rae
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:17am
    The reusable bags from Coles and Woolworths with the silver paper inside are made of plastic. So are the new bags. They are a worse problem than the thin plastic that ended up in landfill.

    All they needed to do was use biodegradable bags of some sort.

    Are all management and boards of these companies incompetent or is there some other reason for the craziness going on?
    Suzley
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:07pm
    Single use plastic bags were always reused as garbage bin liners. Now that they have been withdrawn, it will be necessary to buy garbage bin liners. Supermarkets 1, customers 0. Supermarkets will make a considerable profit because what was previously free now has to be purchased (bin liners).
    However, the light green plastic bags available in Woolworths for fruit and vegs will fit my kitchen tidy bin, so when I get short I will help myself to those.
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    3:28am
    Suzley, line your bins with the usual wkly local Council newspaper, fill 'em up as usual & toss all in your Wheelie Bin - any newspapers will do. Pls do not buy plastic bin liners, it's what the "big retailers" want u to do.....a few more $s out of your pocket & into theirs.

    2nd Aug 2018
    1:15pm
    Regarding plastic bags, I find these to be incredibly useful! I save them and re-use them in various ways until they fall apart. Why not retain them? Surely they can be made of biodegradable or recyclable plastics?
    Sen.Cit.90
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:04pm
    I agree with K-a-L. My local IGA for years has supplied plastic bags.
    Printed on them, a map of the world and a writings
    "This bag is 100% degradable Please re-use This bag"
    Also a trademark epi totally degradable plastic additives.
    I know its a fact because I've stored items in them in the garage and after a long time picked them up to end up with a mess of snowflakes. These are also now withdrawn for ones that have to be purchased

    2nd Aug 2018
    1:17pm
    Woolies can and should sell whatever product that is good for their business
    If that means selling some Aussie product andnsone overseas , so what
    Consumers drive demand , it there’s suffucuent demand , supermarkets will provide
    “Outrage” from self interested groups are best ignored - all politically motivated
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    7:42pm
    Yep, caring about your children & the environment they will inherit from us, IS JUST SO DAMNED POLITICAL!

    Should I start a new political party called "Caring For Your Children & Grandchildren Party?" (Dinosaurs, do not apply.)

    2nd Aug 2018
    1:21pm
    Would hate to be the Woolworths spokesperson who made the comment about imports being better! Wonder how her next performance appraisal will go? On the subject of Woolworths, I am staggered by the number of times I have seen bunches of asparagus from Mexico on sale in our local supermarket. I lived in Mildura for some time, and I know that it grows prolifically there for most of the year, and I just cant understand that such a (wonderful) item would need to be imported from anywhere, let alone Mexico. So much for supporting Oz farmers, methinks!
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:40pm
    Next time check Mexican wages, Big Al. Same with the Nile Perch everyone is buying, comes out of Lake Victoria in Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. Under Idi Amin's rule they grew large and fat on all the corpses the dictator threw into the lake.
    Triss
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:40pm
    OMG, Cowboy Jim, I’m glad I’m a vegetarian.
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    7:43pm
    It came from Rwanda, Cowboy.
    Puglet
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:34pm
    I’ve used my own bags since living in the NT and now WA and can’t see why it is all so hard for shoppers. My Coles introduced ‘no free bags’ in it’s pilot scheme. Apparently there were a few aggressive people but it stopped very quickly and about 90% bring their own or take their trolley to the car and pack it all into big boxes! Until they backtracked yesterday we could ask for free bags even though it was working! It would have been less expensive to hire security people to chuck aggressive people out than introducing ‘mini’ things - nearly all made of plastic or non-recyclable stuff.
    Kee
    2nd Aug 2018
    1:48pm
    I for one will not be shopping at Coles, I do a bit of Aldi shopping and we have always taken our own bags,Coles is afraid of losing customers and money. At least their bags will be recognised when they end up in our waterways and landfill
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:19pm
    you know Aldo mainly stocks cheap foreign goods dont you
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:38pm
    kee, coles does not lose their bags in the waterways, it is people who do, ask yourself where do your rubbish finish up, the tip, landfill and of course you will buy the heavier plastic bags to put your rubbish in to be put out on rubbish collecting day as so it wil take more years to decompose.

    2nd Aug 2018
    2:18pm
    WHoever wants to pay $10 for a can of Aussie beans instead of $1 special mexican,, are welcome to it
    Blame the unions for the high wages and dessimation of agriculture and manufacturing in Oz
    BAT
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:36pm
    Aldi stocks a lot of Australian products as well as overseas . No different then the other supermarkets. Just read the labels!I prefer SPC baked beans & stock up when on special.

    2nd Aug 2018
    2:22pm
    Make the change or pay for bags , simple...how long are these people going to need "to make the change" forever??!!!
    KB
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:32pm
    Farmers are going through a tough time with the drought. They need consumers like to buy their produce. Time for Australians to stand up and boycotts foreign produce and buy Australian made products, As for plastic bags just bans them altogether for the sake of the environment If you shop at Woolworths next week you can give donations at the register to support the farmers
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:40pm
    Time the farmers got some common sense and thought about getting off the land that is no longer viable to support their trade. 10 years of drought and they still haven't woken up? come on!! I only feel sorry for the poor animals caught up in this disaster.
    Rae
    2nd Aug 2018
    3:12pm
    Trood droughts come and they go. We have always had them every few decades. The drought will eventually break. It's just getting through it takes resilience. That's something sadly missing these days though isn't it?
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    3:24pm
    I agree - sell the land to developers or if they're lucky enough to be sitting on mineral resources, sell to the mining industry
    Old Geezer
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:07pm
    Are you still going to buy when produce increases by 100% or even 200% after the drought breaks.
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    8:46pm
    Several alarming posts. There's an old saying about 'you never appreciate something until it's gone'. Be careful what you wish for and perhaps travel to other countries where something as basic as a glass of milk costs a fortune and the product is sold in 700 ml bottles as the largest size.
    We need our farmers...who are the only first world farmers NOT subsidised. Tells a story. Once gone the same people slagging off above will be calling for blood.
    Rae
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:25am
    Prices will continue rising Og. A combination of drought, rising fuel prices, high population growth and interest rates starting to rise almost guarantees it.

    Of course sensible people are cutting back impulsive spending getting ready. We have been here a time or two before.

    he plastic bag nonsense is just a distraction and should be sorted out by the business that wants customers.

    Since when does it become the customer or clients job to toady to a business wanting their money?
    Old Geezer
    2nd Aug 2018
    4:22pm
    Those 15c plastic bags should be banned too as they are even worse than the single use ones.

    Was in Kmart a few days and they were handing out single use bags for people to use in the Coles supermarket next door.

    I simply don't buy any food that is imported as I simply don't trust it enough to eat it.
    Rae
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:28am
    I agree. Mismanagement and illogical decision making going on.

    I try very hard to only buy Australian made as well.
    lasaboy
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:15pm
    This may seem like a silly question, but WHY all the debate, we know Coles and Woolies are full of it, no matter what the ads say, like the banks the bottom line is all that matters, vote with your feet people, shop elsewhere if something irk's you, I bloody do, but just so you all know, anyone who does not at least carry some bags in their car when going shopping is ten bob short of a quid
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2018
    6:53pm
    lasa you did it again, sensible language spoken, so often forgotten in these columns, keep it up!
    MICK
    2nd Aug 2018
    8:49pm
    lasaboy: the problem with many Australians is they are used to not thinking ahead and then being dissatisfied.
    Yes plastic bags should be legislated against. Then society will have to put itself out and show some social responsibility. God forbid!
    *Loloften*
    3rd Aug 2018
    3:36am
    Agree lasa
    Jack
    2nd Aug 2018
    7:15pm
    We have been bringing our bags to the shops for years in SA, can't recall if there was the same outrage that is occurring in NSW. I bought the larger re-useable bags $2 each and try not to use the 15 cent bags. I unpack my groceries and put the bags back in the car for the next shop, so can't understand the outrage. It's not only the bags that should stop, but take-away containers, cups, straws etc. Can't someone invent recycable bin liners
    Cowboy Jim
    2nd Aug 2018
    8:01pm
    Not everyone at our age has a car, Jack. I carry my groceries home in a plastic bag and if I have to buy the bags I suppose it is still cheaper than getting a car again. Coles and Woolies are 6 mins away on foot but I DO need a bag to the items in.
    Milou
    2nd Aug 2018
    7:45pm
    Thank God we live in a beautiful country and we all have freedom of choice so if one person chooses to bring their bags to do their shopping at Coles they are free to do so on the other hand for whatever reason the other person chooses not too and accept the free bags they should not made to feel guilty their choice it's their right in other words we all have to mind our own business
    MD
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:24pm
    Yeh, spot on re beautiful country, not sure about the god bit. "(F)reedom of choice" (and choosing) where certain items are known to be partly contributory to an ever increasing problem worldwide is a matter requiring ethical consideration. Your right to mind your own business oftimes becomes everyone else's problem.

    Very few people would willingly place a plastic bag over their own head and draw it tight around their neck - we're aware of the ramifications - but an inestimable amount of marine life is dying unwittingly and horribly as a result of plastic, bags but a mere part of the trillions of tonnes of rubbish, the result of another man-made 'convenience '.
    GeorgeM
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:50pm
    Whoever in Woolies tweeted "..We aim to provide the best quality products to our customers and sometimes this means supplying imported products as they're far superior.” should be sacked! Clearly a traitor (maybe a Chinese Agent?) who wants to denigrate the quality of our local produce. Maybe their products from overseas were produced an some Asian country using fertiliser made from human poo - how do we know? All power to our local farmers!

    Woolies MUST look at their policies and ensure there are always LOCAL options for food, at least two or more!
    Rae
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:35am
    No they want the most profit and if it comes from their own brand item produced in foreign lands they'll use that one. Soon there will be less choice when there are no small businesses left and you'll buy what you can get and pay what they demand.

    Look at fuel prices now the independents are just about all gone.
    GeorgeM
    3rd Aug 2018
    11:25pm
    Rae, you are free to accept defeat, however I believe the majority of real Australians will wake up some time, and here's to the revolution!
    One lives in hope!
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    8:01pm
    Yay George, I'm with you. We just need to start with ourselves, otherwise nothing will happen.

    What I cannot understand is how a product made overseas & TRANSPORTED ACROSS THE WORLD TO AUSTRALIA, (often refrigerated) can cost LESS than the Australian product? With the price of fuel (& the cost to the whole world for burning it), how cheap & nasty must that product be?

    It's obvious that the cost of transportation is not included in the price, or it must be subsidised, how else can this be? Globalisation is a dirty game run by shysters (corporations). Earth needs a carbon tax!
    Milou
    2nd Aug 2018
    10:02pm
    MD please live your life the way you want and do the right things by you and be happy and satisfied with your accomplishments, and let other individuals live their lives the way they choose to do things that's why thank God we are living in a democrative country what I'm saying you do your bit be happy with yourself and let others to choose when they are ready to do their bit it's called to respect other people choiice. Maybe their priority is to chose helping people in need of food. That's why you do your right thing be satisfy with yourself .
    MD
    3rd Aug 2018
    9:16am
    Thanks for the reply Milou and please be assured that whereas I'm somewhat satisfied with both my personal accomplishments and
    "(doing) the right thing" I'm not entirely happy with being a bit happy with myself whilst ever others unwittingly trash the environment.
    I don't profess to grasp, much less understand other peoples' priorities but I get the distinct impression that you mean well... but may have missed the point entirely.

    The issue is not about me, you, or anyone else - it's simply a matter of rubbish!
    Hoohoo
    6th Aug 2018
    8:09pm
    Milou, I'm sure you're a decent, thinking person, but what you are suggesting is just an excuse for lazy people who don't care about their communities or the future, to go blindly forth in their ignorance. I don't think anyone has the right to stuff things up for everyone else, as MD points out.

    You're free to poo in your own nest, but when the poo overflows into my nest, it's not fair or right. Ignorance is no excuse & shouldn't be used as a shield to be lazy & thoughtless.
    alinejordan
    3rd Aug 2018
    8:48am
    buy dried beans and soak them!
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2018
    4:56pm
    as long as you don't do that on my watch!
    Anonymous
    5th Aug 2018
    5:17pm
    If people think ahead and remember to soak the beans that is fine but when people are busy which most are today a can of beans is more convenient.
    Daz
    6th Aug 2018
    8:45pm
    If you give Woollies the benefit of the doubt their statement can make quite good sense. ..."sometimes this means supplying imported products as they're far superior.” This can well imply that IF the overseas product is far superior, they make the choice to import that one rather than the local. So then the issue becomes 'are overseas beans superior to local beans?' I find it hard to believe as the local soils and expertise on growing veggies is pretty good. Still, Woollies logic seems okay IF that WERE the case.