Tax cuts and health set to top Opposition’s budget reply

Opposition Leader set to put tax cuts and health at the top of his budget reply.

Tax cuts and health set to top Opposition’s budget reply

With a federal election set to be called within days, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is expected to put tax cuts and health at the top of his budget reply speech tonight.

As the Government belatedly added Newstart recipients to the list of Australians eligible to receive its one-off energy rebate – $75 for singles and $125 for couples – it is anticipated that Mr Shorten will promise 2.9 million workers who earn less than $40,000 a bigger tax cut from 1 July. For older Australians, that’s good news only perhaps for the 30 per cent who work full or part-time.

Fairfax Media reports that an independent analysis of the Government’s budget by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM) showed that the biggest beneficiaries were middle and high-income couples with children.

The Conversation reports that the budget will “widen the gap between rich and poor” and that its effect on the poverty rate – the proportion of households living on less than 50 per cent of median income – is to reduce it by 0.2 percentage points by 2024-25.

An analysis led by Professor Robert Tanton at Canberra University’s Institute for Governance and Policy Analysis says: “This is a fairly small reduction. But due to the tax cuts in 2024-25 raising the net incomes for high-income households, this means income inequality will be higher.

“The 0.2 percentage point decrease compares to an 0.8 percentage point reduction that NATSEM’s modelling estimates would result from raising the Newstart allowance by $75 a week from what it is now.

“The message from this analysis is that the changes to the tax and welfare system in this budget benefits those with higher incomes and who are paying tax, with little to no gains in future years to some of those low income earners who aren’t paying tax.”

The Opposition’s promise of more funding for public hospitals and for Medicare shapes as being of greater interest to older Australians than tax cuts. We will outline the key points as they relate to older Australians our eNewsletter tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Consumers Health Forum chief executive Leanne Wells has welcomed the Government’s $448 million primary care scheme for patients over 70. Under the scheme, if the Government is re-elected, general practices will receive additional payment for doctors and other clinicians to provide consultations, referrals, test results and scripts without having face-to-face consultations with patients.

“This is a welcome development in bringing Medicare into the 21st century by providing services and advice by doctors to patients without a face-to-face consultation as currently required under Medicare rules,” she said.

“For many older people with chronic illness, getting to the doctor for routine checks and the like is a major challenge. More than half of Australians over 70 years have two or more chronic conditions.”

Ms Wells said the scheme would also help older Australians to age in place, adding that the arrangements would be voluntary for both patients and doctors. She was critical, however, of “the absence of a national strategic plan to combat one of Australia’s biggest health problems, obesity”.

Some YourLifeChoices members were critical of the absence of any measure to make dental care more affordable.

“How about those rip-off criminals that call themselves dentists? Any changes in the wind to their Chicago-style racket? I'm considering dental treatment in Thailand in the future,” wrote YourLifeChoices member Oz in Or.

Ted Wards was more concerned about the volume of medications some older Australians were being prescribed. He said: “There are way too many people seeing doctors when they don't need to and on medications they really don't need! I work in aged care and some of our clients are on 20 different medications and don't get reviewed until a crisis. Most often their medications are drastically reduced and their health improves. Why are we not looking at this issue?”

Will you analyse and compare the major parties’ platforms to see which would benefit you more?

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    thommo
    4th Apr 2019
    10:35am
    The budget has nothing for age pensioners...Don't mention the one-off energy payment of $75 as it simply does not count. It is a joke and an insult..
    Why is the OAP increased, so that pensioners share the nation's spoils?
    The sooner retirees get a voice in parliament the better.
    In the meantime, kick out this LNP mob so that they will at least realise the age pensioners have some say in government, and then send a message to Labor that they forget us at their peril.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    11:19am
    I presume you mean "Why ISN'T the OAP increased,..".

    Yes, it is an insult - after whacking Part-pensioner couple by up to $14,000 per annum with the Asset Test changes of Jan 2017, they have the gall to offer a $125 one-time (note: only to those who didn't miss out on pension altogether in those changes).

    Reversing those nasty changes (equivalent to up to $269 per week) was the priority instead of Tax Cuts especially for the wealthy - will be $11,640 for those on $200K income from 2024.

    No mention from Labor about scrapping the massive tax cuts for the wealthy as above - because ALL Federal politicians are going to get it! Hypocrites!
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    11:35am
    Yes, George - hypocrites is a nice word.... I can think of better ones.
    thommo
    4th Apr 2019
    11:44am
    Thanks GeorgeM....that was a typo......
    And you're right about the other issues also...
    These governments, but especially the LNP, look after the rich and the big end of town, but couldn't give two hoots for those on the bottom rungs of the ladder.
    Australia is a rich country and with this budget largesse going to all and sundry, there is absolutely nothing for pensioners or those on the dole..Labor won't commit to increasing the dole (ie Newstart), which I can't understand, as it should be a priority....and of course there is nothing for the homeless..
    We have a rich country, but no humanity...
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    12:22pm
    That’s why you should never vote for a wealthy candidate, their priorities are for themselves. Think of why and how they’ve become wealthy and those are the processes they’ll carry on with in parliament. Finding every loophole and changing rules to increase their own wealth and everyone else is invisible.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    2:55pm
    Of course the $75 counts so stop whinging about getting nothing.
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    3:16pm
    That’s the pot calling the kettle black, OG, you’re always whinging about getting nothing.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    5:00pm
    Ha ha I don't expect anything so there is a big difference.
    Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    5:07pm
    Unfortuanately Triss, that applies to all candidates because as soon as they are elected they become wealthy through their very generous salaries and all the other perks they seem to be eligible for as soon as they are elected and no worries about their future, with generous pensions.
    Ahjay
    4th Apr 2019
    11:01am
    Strange that no one has put up a thought bubble for a Universal Pension.
    It would save billions from Centerlink and boost small business.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    11:26am
    Actually not strange, because:
    a. They have NO interest in Pensions as they themselves are well taken care of on better schemes with better rules, and
    b. They assume Retirees will continue to vote like zombies for one or the other of the Major parties, hence why bother?

    Retirees have a duty, 3 Million+ of us, to vote OUT BOTH these disgusting Major Parties (and the Greens who help them both to attack retirees) to become recognised as a force. By putting all current MPs of Major parties (and the Greens) LAST (or just above the extremists) in voting preferences.

    Universal Age Pension is without doubt the only way to go now with our Broken Age Pension system - they can easily copy the simple NZ model and implement it in no time - if they wanted to. Say for all on Age 65 and Residency of 15 years, with NO other tests. They should also immediately scrap ALL other defined benefit pensions for politicians & bureaucrats to avoid them double-dipping.
    Cowboy Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    4:27pm
    Been discussed in the messages for ever, Ahjay. We had one of those and it won't come back. If you ever look at the places where they have the universal system you might find yourself in the tax return system again. Most people I know overseas with that system pay income tax till they die. The pension (universal) is totally taxable, you will get the full amount, no problem but it will be added to all your other income. And the tax threshold might only be $5000 per year. You do your sums! I have connections in both places and at the moment I think most of us qualifying for the Aussie pension are better off. Remember: most places have no Medicare for free like here - does make a difference.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    7:39pm
    CJ, it's a question of how it is designed and what level of exemptions from tax are defined, so let's not condemn a system before any proper review is done here.

    Universal Age Pension system would be far more efficient than what we have, avoid the incentives for rorts to qualify, remove the need for pensioners to deal with Centrelink - thus also improve their health, people can upsize or downsize as they please, motivate people to earn more and save more without being punished, and generally be a fair system overall without Govt interference - unlike the current broken system which also allows politicians to give selective hand-outs and put one group against another - to their advantage.

    Don't confuse it with Medicare which is a separate health welfare system available to all, not just retirees.
    Rae
    5th Apr 2019
    7:01am
    If there was a universal pension they could stop tax concessions for superannuation. It's compulsory anyway and the defined benefits everyone think are wonderful were contributed to without tax concessions. Yes all employee contributions were after full tax.

    Stop super tax concessions, return capital gain to what it was before Howard and there would be enough funds for an equitable universal aged pension.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    11:28am
    A breath of fresh air from Professor Robert Tanton at Canberra University’s Institute for Governance and Policy Analysis: “This is a fairly small reduction. But due to the tax cuts in 2024-25 raising the net incomes for high-income households, this means income inequality will be higher." Those large Tax cuts being $11,640 on Salaries of $200,000 from 2024, which means ALL politicians will get those massive benefits - not a word from Labor???
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    2:56pm
    High income earners pay way too much so it's good to see they get a decent tax cut.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    5:44pm
    They don't pay enough and you know it, OG. Now get a grip - people are watching...
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    7:33pm
    https://www.snotr.com/video/20211/The_Tax_System_Explained_in_Beer

    I rest my case.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    7:50pm
    OG, back from Liberal party boot camp with fresh training under your belt and ready to spout your usual nonsense? How much did they agree to pay you per post?
    The progressive tax system is sought to be destroyed by the Liberals by their changes, while seeking to grab huge undeserved benefits, with the greedy Labor MPs also colluding to get the same benefits for themselves.

    Regarding your claim of high income earners paying too much, see the link below about Millionaires paying zero tax:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-30/sixty-nine-millionaires-paid-zero-tax-in-2016-17/10954888
    Strongly reinforces the need for a Minimum Tax system with at least 30% rate on Gross incomes without allowing any Deductions.

    Retirees (never mind you, OG, you are a slave to the Libs), all 3 Million+ of them, have a serious responsibility now to get rid of all self-serving current MPs (and again next time if they remain) to ensure they don't get the spoils of their greedy actions from 2024. Pu them LAST (or just above extremists) in voting preferences - Retirees have strength of numbers.
    Paddington
    4th Apr 2019
    11:33am
    I don’t have a problem with people earning a lot of money but who pay tax. I do have a problem with those who pay no tax including both individuals and companies.
    As for the poor, remove the tax for them as they will spend it all probably moreso than the top end who will not spread it around the community.
    If you only get $35000 and you have a family and bills and rent to pay then they really cannot afford more than the GST.
    A pensioner couple receive that but it is later in life hopefully owning a home at the very least.
    The environment is number one concern of a big percentage of the population and that is what I want for our grandchildren and beyond. That will do me for what they give to pensioners and us oldies!
    Anonymous
    4th Apr 2019
    11:46am
    If you are stupid enough to believe in climate change Paddington why don't you contribute some of your ridiculous pension to the cause?
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    11:47am
    The lesser minions having more spending money means that retail businesses will not continue to be carried out feet first on a daily basis (or so it seems).

    I've said it times many - 1000 low income earners buy 1000 microwaves - one mega earner buys one microwave... who do YOU think should have a little extra spender to benefit the ailing economy being over-run by the global nonsense, li'l bit o' the ol' ready, eh?

    I posted elsewhere last night that the global economy was failing as we speak, and gave the example of the car manufacturers - as I stated when they abandoned ship. Retail here is failing due to undercut wages for the many and rising costs of living that place many in the same COMPARATIVE position as the peons in those Third World countries to which the jobs have fled.

    They can afford to buy a bag of rice and have a temporary roof over their heads... so can our peons (if they can afford a roof at all). Superficially, 'we' may be 'rich' compared to that peon - $275 a week sounds like manna from heaven to someone on $5 a day .... but our comparative costs of living dictate that $275 a week won't keep you in noodles with a roof over your head.

    **How's Gina going with her operations moved to Africa? Warlords etc being nice? No killings, no sabotage, no wars passing through the mining area, no 'sides' in a national dispute trying to take it all over by force of arms and bloodshed?

    Oh - that's right - she was only speaking rhetorically when she said she could get an Afro work gang for $10 a week.... just a stupid joke from an abysmally stupid woman who would have nothing without an accident of birth.

    Justice ain't got nothing to do with it, I'm afraid, when it comes to the handing around of the ready. And don't expect Labor to do much more than kow-tow to her and her ilk... they have bigger socialist fish to fry than YOUR well-being (refuses the word welfare since it became a negative term for Social Security), regardless of the reality that 'welfare' is well-being - not cash for pensions and unemployment etc.

    They've got women to save from being abused financially for not working.... (Jesus)...
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    11:50am
    Robbo - that is unnecessary... people may believe what they like on their interpretation of the facts presented - I'm a CC skeptic myself, but please... those with a different view are not 'stupid' - they simply arrive at the wrong conclusions in my eyes.

    We all fliend here... as the Japanese camp guard said in September 1945 .... and respect one another's views now that Lothario has gone....
    Anonymous
    4th Apr 2019
    12:18pm
    I'm not a climate change sceptic, I'm a climate change realist. Yes, climate is changing and has been for millions of years. there is an article about the Arctic ice melting from 1947 and the link is here: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/248478445?searchTerm=%22arctic%2Bice%2Bmelting%22&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales
    Let's clarify one sticking point before we go further; the world's leading climate scientists who are quoted as being 98% agreed that there is man made climate change were asked in a survey, "Do you think man has contributed to climate change?" and the obvious answer is yes. The next question was, "What percentage of change has man made?" It's no surprise that the answer to the first question is the one released to the media and is being trumpeted by left leaning groups.
    Paddington
    4th Apr 2019
    12:49pm
    Robbo, Can you tell me your level of education? You surmise so much about people you do not even know. Stupidity, in my humble view, is when you are faced with so much evidence you still deny it. Let’s assume you maybe right though, but just in case you are not are you willing to risk the future of your grandchildren and their grandchildren on the offchance that climate change is real as you watch the ice melt and the bees and insects disappear?
    So many countries are now onboard and most scientists conclude that it is so. I won’t risk my descendants’ lives by refusing to do anything about climate change.
    As for my pension, you have no idea what I do with that and how many I help. You do not know me and I certainly do not know you.
    In that vein, have a great day!
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    1:10pm
    Paddo, that sounds like Donald Rumsfeld talking to Dubb-ya* about WMD in Iraq... "If there was one chance in 100 of that lettuce on your sandwich being toxic.. would you eat it?"

    * keypad error initially said 'Dudd-ya'.... (ROFL ) ... in typo veritas...

    I agree more with Old Man's point about man having contributed - but zero certainties about anything really. I mean - like a massacre of innocent Muslims in the West, given world events, it was inevitable at some time - similarly, it is inevitable that given world events produced my Mankind, it is inevitable that Mankind has contributed to climate change.... the question is how much...
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    2:57pm
    If you have a family and your family income is under $60,000 you get more back from the government than you pay in tax.
    Paddington
    4th Apr 2019
    4:21pm
    Then hedge your bets, Trebor, in case you are wrong which is more likely than not.
    It is simply not worth the risk of being a climate denier as the risk is beyond dreadful.
    And what does it hurt to stop using plastic and put solar on your roof and reuse rather than dispose which saves money as well. It makes sense for more reasons than believing in climate change and the planet will benefit as a bonus.
    Misty
    5th Apr 2019
    10:41am
    You better get used to the idea of Climate Change Robbo, because the voters of the future, our children and grandchildren certainly believe in it, and will vote out any govt who tries to deny it, not just here in Australia but world wide.
    Misty
    5th Apr 2019
    10:46am
    TREBOR your dislike of women is coming across LOUD AND CLEAR in most of your posts, however you deny it.
    Paddington
    6th Apr 2019
    11:15am
    Good point Misty about the young ones believing in climate change. They are obviously better educated than some dinosaurs on here.
    Also, a few men have issues with women. Guess they have been hurt by some nasty women.
    However, if they have daughters or granddaughters that should water that dislike way down. Some amazing women around!
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    11:34am
    Hmm - tax cuts unfunded again... oh, well..... two can play that game, it seems...

    Appreciated that it for the lowest paid in the land... still there are better ways to resolve the current impasse about pensioners/retirees working for a bit of extra (often needed). Back to the old 'tax earned - leave pensions alone', and the same for the low level SFR - still... to not get part pension .... you're on $80k or so already. Correct me if I'm wrong on that figure.

    A $75 kick for the unemployed might help, but watch for the kicker(s), and should be the increase in Unemployment Benefit, not just a one-off.

    Claiming travel refunds for older people can be a nightmare - the system has some funny quirks - once we move I'm considering doing a day volunteering at the local commserv to help people out there.

    In defence of dentists - they do have high costs in equipment etc.... but still...

    4th Apr 2019
    11:44am
    WE could give you welfare receivers a $100.00 a week rise and you would still all complain give me more ,give me more.
    You all sound like a bunch of left wing bogans
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    11:56am
    Well - provide them all with meaningful jobs.... I'm retired now for ages, but moving house, and have already applied for jobs where I'm going.

    Maybe some of this outstanding 'infrastructure' that is supposed to be the benchmark of both 'sides' will provide some meaningful work for the many..... but then,apparently Australians are so dumb they can't even turn out their own medical students... what a hoot..... we've got some of the best practicioners in the world born and bred here and certainly some of the best surgeons in my experience ... (my own preferred GP is Sri Lankan and a lady, so don't chew my ass, as Shrek would say) .. so what went wrong with our homegrown students?

    Maybe we need a new approach - you can get a reduction in fees in return for working outside a major metropolitan area for X years... jeez - I would given the comparative lifestyle ... the nitty, gritty, s*itty city filled with muggers and thieves compared to green pastures and oceanfront??? No comparison.....
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    12:48pm
    Robbo, haven’t you noticed that your posting is a complaint and, in my opinion, the tone of your posting definitely puts you in the bogan camp.
    Paddington
    4th Apr 2019
    12:55pm
    Robbo, I don’t whinge but others may not own their own homes and have experienced marriage break ups etc. People are allowed to voice their concerns and they feel what they feel. So long as they are not attacking others and name calling they are free to vent on here. I suspect you are unhappy in yourself to be so threatened by pensioners in particular.
    Sundays
    4th Apr 2019
    12:57pm
    Well, Robbo why hang around on this site?
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    2:58pm
    Exactly right Robbo.
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    4:06pm
    Exactly right, Sundays.
    Cowboy Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    4:17pm
    Robbo - everybody always wants more, wage and salary earners as well as captains of industry and finance. Human impulse! But only a few actually want to know where it is all coming from. The longer one is on a pension the more distance the reality becomes, and the want increases. Unfortunately.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    5:02pm
    I don't want more at all.
    KB
    4th Apr 2019
    5:08pm
    Robbo that is a very unfair prejudicial comment. Pensioners are doing it tough If you have a disability then your costs are more if you need extra help. Need to live in the real world
    KB
    4th Apr 2019
    5:08pm
    Robbo that is a very unfair prejudicial comment. Pensioners are doing it tough If you have a disability then your costs are more if you need extra help. Need to live in the real world
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    5:15pm
    Why KB? I was in at the hospital today and they were surprised when I said no I wasn't on the pension. They then said I was the only person they knew who was classified as chronically ill that was not on the pension. Just because you are disabled doesn't mean it cost more than anyone else. You just learn to do things differently that's all.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    5:15pm
    Why KB? I was in at the hospital today and they were surprised when I said no I wasn't on the pension. They then said I was the only person they knew who was classified as chronically ill that was not on the pension. Just because you are disabled doesn't mean it cost more than anyone else. You just learn to do things differently that's all.
    Misty
    5th Apr 2019
    10:52am
    Old Geezer, I don't know why you bother to comment on YLC'S topics anymore, as no one believes in your B--l S--t. I am sure you do it just to get a rise out of people or annoy them.
    Buggsie
    4th Apr 2019
    12:08pm
    My wife and I were 2 of those 70,000 who lost their pittance of a part pension due to changes in the assets test a few years ago. My wife has a severe disability and requires constant care at home and the latest "gift" in the current budget is the plan to means test my carer's allowance of $129 per fortnight. With home aged care its current pathetically underfunded state we are quite frankly feeling the economic strain of everyday living. This is all so remote from the lives of the wealthy including our parliamentary members that they have no concept of it at all. Yes there are lots worse off than we are, and in our opinion God help them, because nothing in the current budget will!
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    1:14pm
    Didn't hear about carer allowance, Buggsie - thanks for the heads-up. I get that too and it doesn't cover the costs. If/when I go back to work after the last move, I'm sure I'll run up against that one...

    Paid home care costs a lot more than a meagre $129 a fortnight... even with the recipient contribution .. $129 wouldn't cover a single day's wages for the paid home carer, so $129 is a good deal for a government serious about caring for the disabled at home.

    Bloody parasites all...

    4th Apr 2019
    12:24pm
    I don't really care about the Shorten response, it will only address those areas where there is a difference between the government and the opposition. I'm betting that the ridiculous electric car policy won't get a run nor will the franking policy or even the negative gearing policy. It's also safe to say that the scare tactic about wages will be front and centre but Shorten won't explain how he intends to bully the Fair Work Commission into doing Labor's bidding over a "living wage" or reinstating the penalty rate cuts. FWC is supposed to be an independent body. Incidentally, not all workers lost penalty rates as Labor is suggesting, some workers in hospitality lost a very small percentage of their penalty rates on Sundays only, no other working day was affected.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    1:15pm
    Many employers refused to pass on penalty rate cuts.... where I last worked did that...
    Anonymous
    4th Apr 2019
    4:48pm
    And Shorten called for the penalty rate review by the FWC and told Neil Mitchell that he would abide by the decision of FWC unreservedly.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    5:46pm
    Typical pussy-whipped mangina, is Ahr Billy ....
    Rae
    5th Apr 2019
    7:13am
    They need to sack the Parliamentary Salary Tribunal and let FWC decide how much should be cut from excessive Political salaries. Maybe CEOs and management salaries as well and commissions to sales people of all sorts.

    Set them loose on prices as well. I'm sure they could lower energy bills easily.
    KSS
    4th Apr 2019
    12:34pm
    "“The message from this analysis is that the changes to the tax and welfare system in this budget benefits those with higher incomes and who are paying tax, with little to no gains in future years to some of those low income earners who aren’t paying tax.”

    So how much did the taxpayer provide in funding this research/analysis of the bl--ding obvious? Even without such largess I could tell you if you don't pay income tax you don't get a tax rebate, reduction or refund because there is nothing to rebate, reduce or refund. Doh!
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    1:18pm
    Well............................. out-sourcing by all parties costs more than a public service body... we all know what happened to job service provision with the demolition of the PS employment agency, and what happened to practical training provision with the demolition derby on TAFE ....

    After that last failed experiment, the move is afoot, far too late in my eyes, to reinstate TAFE as a viable training ground (re-education camp?), instead of the double costly out-sourcing of training, which has resulted in countless rorts.....

    (BTW - welcome to Around The World with Trebor - we cover every issue in a single bound....)... so many issues... so little time....
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    1:20pm
    .. and if we lose sight of but one issue - it may vanish forever and never be rectified....

    Send no to ask for whom the road/healthcare/super/taxation/petrol/gas/power tolls ...
    It tolls for thee!
    Sundays
    4th Apr 2019
    1:06pm
    I’m looking forward to the right of reply. Better health outcomes and fairer tax cuts seem good to me. Two days in and the Liberals have already backflipped on giving the electricity rebate to Newstart recipients. Now, I read where they are winding back the Detention Centre on Christmas Island after they have just spent a fortune to reopen it. A desperate Government on their last legs.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    2:59pm
    Labor is far more desperate than the government.
    Cowboy Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    4:11pm
    No need for a detention centre when all the Centrelink seekers are arriving on the shores again. They will be housed in community housing presumably within hearing distance of the minarets in Sydney and Melbourne. Remember we only get a government we deserve in a democracy. I would have ceded Christmas island to the Indos long ago, too far away from our shores anyway with the population wanting to be treated as Aussies. Next time you go there find some Aussies that look like us.
    Paul
    4th Apr 2019
    1:31pm
    One question and one comment.

    GeorgeM: when you have put all the currenty MPs last, you'll have a parliament full of people with no experience, no policies and no idea. Who will you complain about then?

    Robbo: Calling people "stupid" because they disagree with your view on something is not very constructive, it doesn't make you right, in fact it makes you look intolerant of other people's views.
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    4:11pm
    Paul, we have a parliament with no useful policies or ideas. Just because someone has not spent time being a lazy, career politician doesn’t mean s/he won’t be any good at the job.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2019
    7:57pm
    Triss beat me to it! Quite right, Triss. Paul, Major parties don't work for us, they simply vote on party lines for vague & poor policies some weirdos in their party design, nothing to do with us.

    Getting rid of current MPs is also called shaking up the system, so we can get new MPs who might care for what people want. Of course, choose carefully who you support. If they don't perform, turf them out next time. DO NOT allow them to take us for granted - there are 3 Million+ of us Retirees who have strength in numbers but haven't been using it, and between all of us is a huge amount of collective wisdom, knowledge & experience which is being completed ignored by all the Major parties.
    Paul
    4th Apr 2019
    1:31pm
    One question and one comment.

    GeorgeM: when you have put all the currenty MPs last, you'll have a parliament full of people with no experience, no policies and no idea. Who will you complain about then?

    Robbo: Calling people "stupid" because they disagree with your view on something is not very constructive, it doesn't make you right, in fact it makes you look intolerant of other people's views.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2019
    8:30am
    Wow, Paul, a parliament of people with no experience, policies and ideas! What a great idea. Ordinary Australians who know what real life is like and what ordinary Australians need and want, instead of self-interested morons who have never lived in the real world! Fabulous. Plenty of bureaucracies to advise. Plenty of media outlets and survey groups to canvas public opinion. The one thing we DON'T need is these professional politicians who have been screwing us over for their own gain for decades.

    Great idea GeorgeM. I'm with you all the way.
    KSS
    4th Apr 2019
    2:20pm
    Given that after Mr Frydenberg handed down the budget, Mr Shorten couldn't wait to claim credit for it saying that it was all Labor's ideas anyway, I really can't see what Mr Shorten is going to say. Unless of course he is going to answer the many questions arising from the promises he has already made made should he win the keys to The Lodge. Such as:

    What provisions is he putting in place to ensure that all those employees displaced by the closure of coal mines, coal fired generators and gas related industries are not left unemployed?

    What financial 'safety net' is he putting in place to ensure those on low incomes will be able to afford the price of electricity? And yes that includes pensioners.

    What provisions is he putting in place over the next 10 years to ensure all those buyers of electric cars will have easy, local and ubiquitous access to high speed charging stations? If it takes 30 minutes to recharge, how long will the queues be and what traffic and congestion mitigation will he have in place?

    What provisions is he putting in place with the renewable energy sector to ensure that Australia will not go dark at 6pm every night when people get home, plug in their car and turn on the oven to make dinner?

    What provisions is he making to ensure that drivers of electric cars will be able to pull their mobile homes on the trip round Australia (current electric cars would not get out of the driveway with the camper van attached!)?

    Given Mr Shorten has promised to raise the minimum wage regardless of the Fair Work Commission (the independent umpire) rulings, how will he ensure the Commission remains independent of Government?

    Given Mr Shorten intends to shut down whole industries and ensure the closure of others as a result, will he come clean about what deals he has struck with the unions that purport to represent the very industries he wants to decimate?

    And assuming he has indeed made such provisions, where is the money coming from? I doubt that taking the franking credits, negative gearing and capital gains tax will be enough. After all, he has admitted that the franking credit grab will not cover the 5000 new nurses he said it was meant to pay for.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    3:01pm
    Mr Shorten will go on and on about his EVs that are so impracticable for our country now that it is not funny.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    10:43pm
    You should fairly ask those questions of both parties and their policy makers (note the difference?)...
    floss
    4th Apr 2019
    2:38pm
    I may be wrong ,self funded retirees got zero .Please correct me if I am wrong.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    3:02pm
    Floss you are dead right.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2019
    3:02pm
    Floss you are dead right.
    Cowboy Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    3:57pm
    Exactly right floss - and they will never get anything from either party because they reckon they all have enough already. So my question is: why try to break your back to become one of them? If you desire to be one, please do not bitch when you get nothing. Just accept your forward planning was a bit out. Now spend your money (only on yourself allowed) and become one of us, the part pensioners. Not really hard to do, and you end up with the blue card as well. Maybe not longer bragging in the club that you are not a 'welfare' recipient. But that is part of the deal.
    Triss
    4th Apr 2019
    4:19pm
    You’re right, Floss, and it’s a disgrace. There needs to be a universal pension to cover basic living so people don’t go hungry and the people who have carefully put money away during their working lives should be able to add that to the pension for extra comfort...just like the politicians voted in for themselves.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    5:52pm
    Cut-off point:- 21 or older, couple living together $3,096.40 combined

    That's around $80,000 pa.... whatchu complainin' about, Willis? $750 a week not enough to live on in retirement as the absolute minimum without pension top-up?

    I'm in favour of a universal pension etc as many times before - and also in favour of lower end non-pension retirees getting relief from healthcare costs etc... same as the rest... but $750 each a week is not a bad start....
    floss
    4th Apr 2019
    5:23pm
    Thanks Cowpoker on your lesson on how to be a bludger.
    Cowboy Jim
    4th Apr 2019
    6:46pm
    Maybe it is better to be a planner than an eternal whinger, floss. I take what I am given and do not ask for more.
    Aviator
    4th Apr 2019
    8:52pm
    Not every pensioner should be getting the energy payment anyway. Only the real battlers and they should not get a one off but a monthly allowance during winter. I am not a pensioner so I'm not pushing my own agenda.
    TREBOR
    4th Apr 2019
    10:45pm
    Hmmm - that's a mixed offering... sort of a mixed grill on energy costs.... for the pensioners...
    Rae
    5th Apr 2019
    7:32am
    They do. Pensioners get discounts off energy on the concession card. It's worth quite a bit when you add up all the savings the card allows.
    Misty
    5th Apr 2019
    10:47am
    Robbo sounds like a right wing bogan.
    Cowboy Jim
    5th Apr 2019
    10:52am
    Misty, he might have meant you when he called people here left wing bogans.
    Misty
    9th Apr 2019
    7:07pm
    That's rich coming from a right wing bogan.
    Adrianus
    9th Apr 2019
    1:47pm
    Does anyone think we'll get another mediscare campaign in the final days of electioneering?