The Coalition breaks key promises

Several key Coalition promises were broken in Tuesday’s budget.

The Coalition breaks key promises

The first Federal Budget for the newly elected Abbott Government will not soon be forgotten by the media and voters alike, with several pre- and post-election promises in the areas of health, education, pensions, broadcasting, environment and indigenous affairs being broken.

Pensions
Despite assurances from the Coalition in September 2013 that no changes would be made to pensions, changes in Tuesday’s budget mean that, from 2017, the age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth by being linked to inflation.

Education and health
In the lead up to the election, the Coalition confirmed that there would be no cuts to education, no cuts to health and Medicare Locals would not be scrapped. Tuesday's budget saw $80 billion in cuts to health and education and all 61 Medicare Local stores to be shut down and replaced by local health networks.

Taxes
In March 2012, Tony Abbott said that no one's personal tax would increase, but Tuesday’s budget saw a deficit levy imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000.

Aid
In January of this year, the Coalition said that the $5 billion aid budget would grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index. Tuesday's budget revealed that foreign aid would be frozen, saving $7.6 billion over the next five years.

Environment
Post-election, the Coalition confirmed that The Australian Renewable Energy Agency would have $2.5 billion in funds to manage, but in Tuesday's budget the agency was axed. Under its Direct Action policy, the Coalition was aiming to deliver one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020, but the budget saw the scrapping of fund rebates for the installation of solar panels to fulfil this promise.

Indigenous affairs
The Coalition policy document detailed the party’s commitment to continuing the current level of funding on Closing the Gap activities. Over $500 million was cut from these activities in Tuesday's budget through the consolidation of 150 programs.

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We won’t forget

With several measures announced and leaked to the public in the weeks leading up to this year’s budget, it’s fairly obvious that the Coalition was attempting to prepare the Australian public for the sucker punch it was about to deliver in Tuesday’s budget. I and many others were floored.

In delivering Tuesday’s budget, the Coalition broke several core promises which won them the federal leadership in September 2013. The next federal election is years away, so it is no surprise that the Coalition is pushing through such radical changes now, with the hope that its last two budgets can be more positive. What the Coalition doesn’t realise is that the voters of Australia don’t forget and certainly don’t forgive. In late January of this year, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten called our Prime Minister Tony Abbott a one-term PM. After Tuesday’s budget, short of a miracle, it is hard to see the PM being re-elected.

The Federal Budget is not the time or place to play politics, yet both sides have been taking the opportunity to strike at one another all week through TV, radio and online interviews and ads. To take Australia into the future, more consultation between all sitting members must take place to ensure a balanced view is represented.

The Coalition is playing a dangerous game. This is a government which swindled its way into power under false promises and assurances to the general public. With no checks and balances in our system to hold parties to account, we can only act on previous goodwill and the policies. I voted for the Coalition at the 2013 Federal Election and if I was given the chance to re-cast that vote right now, it would be given to a different party.

Did you vote for the Coalition at the last federal election? If you were given the chance right now, would you change your vote? Will the voters of Australia forget about Tuesday’s budget by the next election?





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    tiger
    15th May 2014
    10:38am
    I would change my vote too right and so would all Australia no doubt WE DO NOT FORGET OR FORGIVE '''Bye Bye ABBOTT,HOCKEY,CORMANN
    Mak
    15th May 2014
    3:44pm
    All Australia would not change their vote so obviously you haven't read enough reports from those who approve of the budget.
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    15th May 2014
    10:41am
    If we had a genuine head of state (President, Grand Poo Bah) instead of a rubber stamp, telling lies to get elected should be grounds for instant dismissal. The sheer hypocrisy of Abbott after the way he treated 'Juliar' is unbelievable. At least Gillard had the excuse of having to accommodate the greens in order to govern; Abbott has no excuse. The compulsory super scheme is obviously a rort; if it worked why would we have to put up the retirement age?
    Renny
    15th May 2014
    10:57am
    Hear,hear!
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    12:25pm
    This shows how stupid Hockey and Abbott are.

    They would have still got flack but I recon a lot less if they had done the right thing.Remove all the rorts and subsidies from super, stop negative gearing, Review the subsidies for the big end of town etc.

    Now they are in it. You know what amazes me? They think they will get away with it. Not when all the states are up in arms mostly their compatriots Liberal state ministers. Get some sense Abbott, You really think people do not realize what you are trying to do with the GST.
    Sceptic
    15th May 2014
    4:33pm
    Have you forgotten or just ignored that Julia's big lie was purely for reasons of power. You can hardly accuse this Government of that, if the idiotic comments on this page are anything to go by.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    4:59pm
    Yes Sceptic, it is time some one tried to wake up these half thinkers who are either nodding off or they cannot grasp the real issues and why some things need to be done
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    15th May 2014
    7:08pm
    "Juliar" was forced to modify her policy stance in order to mollify the Greens, in order to form a government; it was either that or call for a -very expensive, time consuming and highly irritating- re vote.
    Abbott wasn't forced by any circumstances, apart from his desire to rule.
    245 million for chaplains in schools?
    If we are in such crisis, why do we need that?
    If he is such a Christian, why is he more interested in teaching Christianity than practicing it?
    Wouldn't Jesus be more interested in maintaining our commitment to the world's poor?
    Abbott says there's a budget crisis, and that Labor has plunged us into debt. How much has been allocated to paying off debt, and how much is going into ideologically motivated new expenditures -like chaplains in schools?
    Abbott is a hypocrite and a liar, and worse, the worst kind of "Sunday Christian".
    Jesus said " It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to pass through the gates of Heaven".
    I guess on $500k a year, Abbott needs to spend more time with his chaplains.
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    7:44pm
    Well said, Pete and my thoughts exactly. I wonder what Jesus would say about Abbott's treatment of asylum seekers in PNG, Nauru and those who'll soon be sent to Cambodia.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    7:51pm
    We don't need chaplains in schools, we need more school counsellors, mentors, teacher's assistants for special needs classes. There are many pupils who can't comprehend some subjects such as reading, spelling, maths. Some schools have a mixture of 2 grades in one room---sometimes 2 grades in another room the same two grades as in the first room. Speaking from my experience it can be difficult to concentrate on your work when the teacher is talking to the other grade students at the same time. A young relative of mine is in a combination of years 2 & 3. She was in grade 1 last year. She is being given all year 3 work and the teacher says she isn't always prepared for that day's lessons. She has basically skipped year 2. She is ahead in reading but not all subjects. Next year for her age etc. she would normally be in year 3. It will be interesting to see what year they put her in next year. If they put her in with other year 3 next year she will be bored and hate school because she will be doing the same work for another year. If she does go into Year even more pressure will be put on her and she is going to need extra help. I have seen the homework she is given. A lot of it is writing about the "subject" they have been given which they can do over a space of 4 nights. In my opinion some of it is really too hard for a 7 y.o. Basically it is comprehension beyond the pupils' age. Spelling homework:- they call sight words and they simply write the same words every night for 4 nights. They hand in their homework on Friday mornings. Her spelling errors are very rarely corrected. One of her parents check her homework most nights and point out spelling errors so she can correct them. We need more funding in schools, not less.
    Ming
    15th May 2014
    10:46am
    Well, we do not forget, but it appears that some "do forget" how/why did we get into the mess that requires fixing before we descend the "Greek style slope"
    Renny
    15th May 2014
    11:00am
    Check OECD figures - the crisis is yet another lie. Yes our economy needs to be better managed but this is destruction. I'd believe them if the money was coming off the bottom line buts it's not. It's being put aside for later - probably to buy themselves back into government. I'd also believe it if the wealthy were being hurt as much as the poor.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    12:37pm
    What did Howard do? Left $90Billion surplus, but he also gave $70Billion in tax breaks causing a sudden slow burn by reducing the revenue received by the government. This was in order to try and win the next election. Unfortunately for him it didn't work, even lost his own seat. Then the Labor government were faced with the global financial crises which for all their failings they got us through. If the revenue had stayed the same (about 26%) and not drop to about 24% Then they would have got through without the need to borrow. But they did get us through. Note that they also kept the trust and did not remove any of Howard's pork barreling.

    Now Abbott expects us to trust anything he says with the leadup to the next election. I remember saying to my son when he was little. If anyone catches you out in a lie, do you think that person will ever believe you in the future.
    Sceptic
    15th May 2014
    4:29pm
    Currently $12 billion a year interest. Where do you think it would be in four years time if the ALP had been elected at the last election?

    China got us through the GFC.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    5:06pm
    Exactly, why do I keep agreeing with you Sceptic all the other countries who got in a mess did not have the ability to dig a big hole and sell what comes out, and as a bonus into a rising market.
    Labor saving us from the GFC was a big Myth invented by Swan and didn't they hand out the dough.
    I could have bought another TV with what he gave me, but I did not want to waste it, so I put it towards our next cruise.
    Renny
    15th May 2014
    10:57am
    I didn't vote for them because I already knew they were heartless bastards. No real surprise to me in the budget - they've stuck the boot into the poor and vulnerable and looked after the ultra wealthy. They call themselves Christian but I think Jesus might have an issue with them. However what they do is NOT in my name. I expect the people I voted for to represent my views and not those of Abbott, Hockey and Cormann. I'd like to see Peter Hendy standing up for his electorate as it is going to be trashed by its vicinity to Canberra. I don't think it's the LNP but I do think they've been blinded by conmen as much as the public were.
    Mak
    15th May 2014
    4:02pm
    @Ericjoan.There are more approvals of the budget than you would believe, the problem is, many negative people cannot see past their noses, but they whined about illegal boats every day, whined about Gillard stealing AWU money, whined about Thompson, whined about Rudd's return, whined about mega-millions of dollars being sent overseas in '''aid'''', whinged when Labor conned their way back for another term with lies, lies, lies, lies about almost every promised policy.
    How many of the whingers took Rudd's $900 handout, got a free set-top box, free insulation, adding to the already massive un-payable debt and Labor knew they would lose the last election because of the mess they made in order to whinge, moan and complain about every move the Libs make because Labor has always been useless at running a country, it needs well-educated, smart ministers, whereas Labor could only bungle through with un-educated union thugs behind the scenes.
    Mak
    15th May 2014
    4:02pm
    @Ericjoan.There are more approvals of the budget than you would believe, the problem is, many negative people cannot see past their noses, but they whined about illegal boats every day, whined about Gillard stealing AWU money, whined about Thompson, whined about Rudd's return, whined about mega-millions of dollars being sent overseas in '''aid'''', whinged when Labor conned their way back for another term with lies, lies, lies, lies about almost every promised policy.
    How many of the whingers took Rudd's $900 handout, got a free set-top box, free insulation, adding to the already massive un-payable debt and Labor knew they would lose the last election because of the mess they made in order to whinge, moan and complain about every move the Libs make because Labor has always been useless at running a country, it needs well-educated, smart ministers, whereas Labor could only bungle through with un-educated union thugs behind the scenes.
    Paddles
    15th May 2014
    9:08pm
    Mak

    You're pretty much on the money there.
    In the days ahead, you can expect Laborites and fellow travelers to keep on harping about Abbott "ripping out" 80 billion dollars from health and education.
    I doubt that they will mention that the 80 billion was a forward estimate of their own pathetic budget last year and, in practical terms, never existed. I am sure that they put that one up when it was beyond doubt that they would be voted out in the 2013 election.
    To a large degree, I think that the acceptance/rejection of the budget will rather closely follow an age demographic. People of my generation (and even the one following) raised their kids, struggled to build a (very) modest home and all with little or no Government assistance.
    Comparing those eras to the most recent one, the difference is staggering but, unfortunately, we now have two or three generations that have been cossetted by Governments of both political stripes and the necessary reversals will have them believe that they are hard done by.
    I will have no objection to Joe Hockey winding the clock back even further next year.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    3:14pm
    Paddles: Howard's 90 billion legacy turned into 20 billion after he promised 70 billion of tax cuts hand outs etc and all Rudd did as Opposition leader at the time, was sit in Parliament writing notes and not participating in Q.T. All he kept saying to Howard about Howard's promises was, I Can Do That Too. So, he won and ended up with 70 billion of Howard's promises besides his own programs. Then circumstances changed as we all know world wide GFC. Stimulus helped Australians to keep their jobs. So Abbott made promises last year and said he would keep some of Labor's policies if elected and now he has reneged.
    I would certainly have an objection to Joe Hockey winding the clock back even further next year ... politicians of both major parties created the "age of entitlement" Hockey refers to, we didn't. We voted for them and got conned as usual into thinking that what they were handing out to everyone in this nation had been fully costed and budgeted for. Isn't that what Treasurers do, balance books. Now they have got themselves in a mess they decide to pounce on the most vulnerable of the community.
    Work out what a pensioner gets on the single age pension that doesn't have much back-up cash through circumstances we don't know of.
    He or she goes to the doctor and pays out $7 co-payment, then off to pathology and pays out another $7 and then for x-rays another $7 and maybe to a specialist another $7 dollars all needed for the one illness/disease. This results in $28 out of his/her fortnightly pension of $842.80 at 20 March 2014 ie approx. $21,900 annually.
    NOW take the same scenario with the person who earns a high income around say $180,000 and the $28 he/she pays to visit the doctor. There is no comparison as to who hurts the most. We all have to share Mr. Hockey says: However, some with less have to share more as a percentage of what they receive in pensions or salary or wages etc. Then you go forth to the petrol rises which in turn increases the things you purchase at supermarkets etc. or whatever else you buy as the providers always account to the consumer for their higher costs,
    Then we have the situation in 2017 of the pension losing its value by being calculated on inflation rather than the current method. SMH indicated a few days ago that age pensioners would be $1,500 to $2,000 poorer ongoing. Each six monthly pension increase would still be an increase but on a lower scale and than before but what would be increasing as it always does is the cost of living and the cost of services etc.
    If you have no objection to Joe Hockey winding the clock back even further next year then you are probably not in need of the age pension. You are probably going to say Its for the good of the country that we have these cut-backs etc. but as long as a politician is sitting at the top of the heap smoking his expensive cigar and reaping the benefits of all his perks etc. you can't expect the age pensioner to feel any other way than he/she does today
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    4:37pm
    Renny you've said it all, nothing to add!
    Oars
    15th May 2014
    11:05am
    If you "won't forget" the calimed lies, then I hope you wont forget:
    1. The $476 Billion school splurge that fed Unions slush funds,2. The Insulation stuffup 3. The reversal of Thw Witch of Carbon taxes, 94 the payout of hospitals to the "independents: to get their vote 5. The sham attempt at supporting the anti-gambling campaig, making Tony Wiundsor the scapegoat when labor voters werre agains t it to get Senitor (Sth Australian() to vote for carbon tax. Yeah- I won't forget the bankruptcy that this great country has been, when only the miners were paying their way- yet the commos wanted to tax them more. I will NEVER FORGET those crazy attempts to fool the public yet siphon off funds to their slush funds. I hope the Royal Commissions are continued to trace those funds and then I will be VERY HAPPY. But in the meantime I WON'T FORGET those RORTS>
    Ming
    15th May 2014
    11:10am
    Good to see I am not the only"right" thinking person that subscribes to this site.
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    15th May 2014
    11:35am
    but apparently you're happy to forget that Aus was one of the very few countries to sail through the GFC and record continued growth, entirely thanks to the Labor party and despite the right trying to force us into the austerity that's done so much for Italy, Ireland, Portugal...
    Don't let ideology force you to forget everything.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    12:48pm
    These schools must have been gold plated if the program cost $476 Billion. I think you are taking lessons from Abbott and Co on how to inflate things.
    Happy cyclist
    15th May 2014
    1:29pm
    And also don't forget that Australia under Rudd's guidance escaped massive misery that other countries copped during the GFC--by comparison our deficit is small and unemployment low. We are very prosperous compared to most other countries but I suspect we have a greedy/mean streak which makes us unable to appreciate how lucky we are and we just LOVE to complain. Well, you voted for a change of government and now you don't like them either. Methinks most Australians just like to grumble.
    MITZY
    15th May 2014
    1:30pm
    Oars what about the IMF facts that the Howard Government was the highest spending govt. ever. Costello hated Howard mainly because of Howard's splurge which created the "Age of Entitlement" Hockey speaks of now. Howard created the mess with middle class welfare and Rudd continued with the Howard policies. However, we did have a GFC nearly as bad as the Great Depression and Rudd receives many plaudits from overseas for his foresight in bringing this country through the GFC with people keeping their jobs etc. No government faced with a GFC and Howard's 70 billion in tax cuts etc. which he promised to fulfil could do much better. Abbott/Hockey/Andrews/Pyne have turned feral.
    Sceptic
    15th May 2014
    4:37pm
    Mitzy, "GFC nearly as bad as the great depression." Clearly you know nothing about the great depression.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    10:56am
    I've read quite a lot re the great depression and me referring to the fact we had a GFC etc. is about it affecting populations around the globe. Rudd shielded Australia from the GFC but other countries didn't do so well for their peoples. You only have to look at the fact that Australia has a triple A credit rating from three different financial sources something never achieved by any other Australian government.
    Sceptic
    16th May 2014
    4:21pm
    No country suffered anything like the great depression during the GFC. What do you honestly think would have happened to the AAA rating under a further 3 years of Rudd/Gillard/Milne?
    Crazy Horse
    16th May 2014
    4:26pm
    You obviously haven't been near a school recently. All three of my kids schools have magnificent teaching areas built by Labor under the Better Schools Program. The situation is the same at e ery school in the country. It was a magnificent investment in our kids and therefore the future of our nation.
    Tezza
    15th May 2014
    11:15am
    Did the government win on promises or by default due to the rorting and vote buying (handouts) by Labour and the Greens?
    Drew, I am sure that you will not be impacted by the budget in the short term. Longer term you may even reap benefits. Unfortunately some old age pensioners may have to cut back on cigarettes, alcohol and visits to 'the club' to fund their visits to the doctor.
    I can handle some white lies from all politicians but not 'snouts in the trough' to line their own pockets or for self gratification.
    ourjeffie
    15th May 2014
    12:26pm
    Tezza, I'm an old age pensioner and I don't drink or smoke or gamble. So how will I fund my visits to the doctor?
    MITZY
    15th May 2014
    2:03pm
    DREW: Agree with you entirely. I didn't vote for this government and was at a loss to who to vote for as there wasn't much quality to choose from. In the end I voted for my local member Dr. Kelly Eden Monaro and it was close enough for a recount and the Liberal candidate got in by a thin margin. He seems o.k. but once the election hype is over not many of them do you see or hear from again until a few months before the next election.

    TEZZA: I note you say "some" pensioners may have to cut back on cigarettes, alcohol and visits to the club because of this co-payment. It would be nice if this inference which appears not only by yourself here, but a lot of other posters time and time again could be given the axe. It puts a slur on all pensioners. I'm a pensioner who worked from 16 to 55 years. No superannuation until it became compulsory during the Keating years. At 55 I gave up work to look after my husband with MS. My superannuation pay-out was $8,000. We had savings from working hard but we were both not eligible for an age pension until 62.1/2 years of age. We plodded along for a few years using our savings but then applied for the disability and carer payments which we were granted. We had to fill in Centrelink medical forms and asset forms every two years, provide heaps of information to Centrelink etc. My husband had MS for 24 years. He never visited the doctor after being diagnosed and led a life o
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    2:21pm
    Tezza, how very condescending. Hockey said something equally demeaning and disrespectful. Disgusting.
    MITZY
    15th May 2014
    2:38pm
    of healthy living and health supplements etc. We both didn't smoke all of our lives and were social drinkers if we went out with friends, however my husband didn't drink once diagnosed. Being the sole driver I have had one glass of red wine with a meal and water thereafter. I have no alcohol at home unless I have visitors. I don't gamble either except on Melbourne Cup day when I bet $1 each way on a horse in the Melbourne Cup. I looked after my husband all that time without assistance and he spent two days in hospital (not quite 48 hours) when he died from a chest infection which developed into pneumonia and because of the MS and his weak condition he had no fighting power to combat it.
    I was lucky enough to have a savings account where I religiously put $100 a month from our pensions to assist with future funeral costs etc. This dipped by more than half the savings for the funeral and I got bereavement payment from the govt. as well. Since being a single aged pensioner it took quite some time to adapt/adjust from two pensions to one pension. I have an old car because I can't afford to update it. Unfortunately it is a car that doesn't like E10 and therefore I am forced to pay for the Unleaded 95 with is much more expensive. I have had no car for the past couple of weeks because it needed a new head gasket which unfortunately then still had leaks and a new head was ordered. Total cost to me $2,833.40. Living in a country town the petrol is around 10 cents a litre and sometimes more than the city prices.
    I am coping reasonably o.k. through sheer budgeting and management skills and I own my modest duplex home. If pensioners in a similar situation as myself have to pay out major expenses such as the one mentioned above re my car, we have no means of recouping that expense and it is just another step down the ladder of our savings. I'm fortunate that I have a cousin who is more like having a twin sister than a cousin and she has assured me that if ever I am in dire straights I can go and live with her and sell my home. As I have no dependents when I leave this earth, my will and proceeds of my estate will be going to her one and only Son. I hope I can keep going along in the healthy state I am in at present for many more years (I'm presently 73) and if so the $7 co-payment wont be a problem to me. However, I'm terribly disappointed in the Abbott/Hockey budget changing the way the aged pension will be calculated from 2017 onwards which results in lower increases to the pension as with the higher costs of petrol and health costs for many pensioners it will be difficult to keep abreast of rising costs. Fuel costs will be passed on in all the food outlets and supermarkets etc. If pensioners with no back-up funds are to survive in future years, it will be worrying for them to decide how to budget a reducing pension in rising costs.
    Eclair
    15th May 2014
    10:02pm
    So many are saying it is only the equivalent of 2 cups of coffee and now Hockey says 2 middies (whatever they are). I would just like to give you people are little brush with reality. This disabled pensioner hasn't bought a cup of coffee since the GST was introduced. Don't feel sorry for me because I spend all my energy volunteering for a charitable organisation for seniors where I make far more friends than you ever will in a coffee shop.
    Jen
    16th May 2014
    8:43am
    Thumbs up, Eclair!
    Ming
    15th May 2014
    11:24am
    It is unfortunate that the editorial approach of this organ is not balanced. For it has become apparent that the opinions expressed by the editorial personnel is to the left. To be a really balanced and effective contributor to public opinion both sides of a proposition must be ventilated.
    Drew
    15th May 2014
    11:32am
    Just as a note, I have never voted for any party apart from the Coalition, so it is a little harsh to suggest my opinions and view points are to the left. The simple fact is that the current Coalition government promised more than they could deliver and voter confidence (as reflected in the polls... just wait for the next one) has decreased in kind.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    1:02pm
    Well said Drew,

    People commenting about peoples alliance seem to think that everybody saying something is wrong automatically say they are for the opposite party.

    This is essetially wrong with party makeups where everyone has to toe the line for what the party cabinet says. It was pleasing to see that this was weaking some grumblings coming from liberal backbenchers.
    Paddles
    15th May 2014
    9:21pm
    Webmaster Drew

    I would venture to say that you are probably a minority in your work place and you are most certainly a minority figure in the wider field of journalism.
    If we were to confine that field to the Canberra press gallery, then you would be nothing short of a freak!
    Sconny
    15th May 2014
    11:43am
    Ericjoan and Oars...you bleat about 'forgetfulness' your precious Liberal Government are guilty of the biggest lie of all time when Howard said 'there's no way a liberal Government would be part of a plan to introduce a GST...never ever....GUESS WHAT they did and this mob are reckless and animal cunning enough to force it up and in so doing can blame the States for it. It made me sick to watch Shrek deliver his and Kormann's budget while behind him sat a smirking Bishop and a snickering Abbott...it's all a bloody big con...wake up to yourself or give yourself an uppercut
    Ming
    15th May 2014
    11:59am
    Yes John Howard "did" say never ever but when he changed his mind he took the proposal for a GST to an election, quite unlike Prime Minister Gillard with the carbon tax. You will note that Prime Minister Abbot has flagged many changes that we will have an opportunity to endorse or reject at the next election.
    MITZY
    15th May 2014
    2:56pm
    Nobody wants to finish the sentence Gillard uttered, i.e. "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead but I don't rule out an emissions trading scheme in the future.
    Now we all know what happened. The election ended in a "tie".
    We went through a couple of weeks of bartering by Abbott & Gillard with the Greens and Independents and Gillard won the battle of "negotiation" to form a government. Windsor and Oakeshot didn't trust Abbott (and it looks as if they were right for a second time after all these broken promises). Windsor stood up in Question Time when Gillard was deposed and told everyone that Abbott would have promised them and Wilkie from Tasmania anything their hearts desired in order to become PM. Abbott promised Wilkie enormous funds for hospitals in Tasmania that he thought were completely erratic. And, what has happened now Abbott/Hockey have taken $80B. from the States for health services and Hockey today is indicating when asked isn't this pushing the States with no alternative but to increase the GST, he says: "That's entirely up to them". What a caring persona this man purveys!!??
    Sceptic
    15th May 2014
    4:42pm
    Gillard won a negotiation? Oh yes. "What do you want to support me?" "Okay, you can have it." If you call that winning a negotiation then you have a very strange interpretation of it's meaning.
    Paddles
    15th May 2014
    9:27pm
    Mitzy

    "And, what has happened now Abbott/Hockey have taken $80B. from the States for health services"
    I would refer you to my first post on this thread. The 80b was strictly "pie in the sky" and we will now never know how a Labor Govt would have justified not having the cash when it fell due.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    11:16am
    Sceptic: I forgot to stay "Abbott lost the negotiations"! Tony Windsor also indicated in Q.T. that Abbott had walked into the negotiation meeting saying Windsor could have anything he wanted, he'd agree to anything except selling the seat out of his pants. Gillard negotiated with five independents and came out on top because she was able to get a consensus and Abbott has been stewing and seething under his skin because his negotiating skills failed him.
    clackers
    15th May 2014
    11:46am
    I voted liberal and am disappointed that the promise of no new taxes has been broken. After the furore of Gillard's carbon tax broken promise I can't believe they've done it-to me it seems dumb! A lot of money was wasted under Labor and there are too many that think they deserve a handout just because Centrelink exists or that they've paid taxes in the past. I'm prepared to wait and see what the results are in 12 to 18 months but must admit I've just about had enough of the rumblings and whinging from those who are only thinking about their own personal immediate welfare and not the country's long term wellbeing.
    btony
    15th May 2014
    11:56am
    I've never been silly enough to vote Liberal ,never believed their bullshit claptrap.
    Oldie84
    15th May 2014
    12:56pm
    But you believe Labour !!!!! Not.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    1:14pm
    This is typical because one rejects Liberal we get a comment like this saying they believe labor as well. Did btony say he votes labor.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    1:41pm
    You and your mates voted labor in to create the mess and you want them back?

    The mind boggles.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    2:03pm
    What the heck Retroy, Reply to what was said not what you think. Myself and btony have not said we voted labor (I didn't) Nor have we said we want them back.

    You are spouting the exact garbage that the liberals are.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    4:48pm
    Wake up Wstation if you don't vote coalition then you get labor and just when did you become the moderator?
    btony
    15th May 2014
    9:45pm
    For some people all they have in life is a vote for the Liberals, its like a status symbol to them
    btony
    15th May 2014
    9:49pm
    and no, I didn't vote Labor, in my electorate we had plenty of candidates from which to choose, but the bottom line is ,my vote, my business.Dont assume my vote just because my comment didn't concur with your own
    Tezza
    15th May 2014
    12:03pm
    Sconny, think about it. The GST only impacts those who spend. For retirement or a Federal Budget it is not a matter of how much we save but how much we do not spend.
    The big spenders will contribute more in GST.
    PlanB
    15th May 2014
    12:21pm
    Hey Tezza--we all spend --ie on bills etc and that has GST
    geomac
    15th May 2014
    12:43pm
    Tezza
    If you get a small income the GST has a bigger impact than if you are on a good income . There are things we all have to pay for where we have no choice if we want power , heating or food . The basics represent a larger slice of income for low income people than those better off . Thats why the GST is a regressive tax .
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    1:19pm
    Geomac - take two jelly beans! For a long time on another forum I've advocated scrapping the GST as regressive and inflationary.
    Sconny
    15th May 2014
    4:23pm
    Tezza you can't seriously defend the indefensible. GST is the most regressive tax ever devised. It effects almost every aspect of our lives ...BUT...watch this space for what's coming up from Shrek in the future. The tragedy is that Seniors (and this is a forum for Seniors) who rely almost totally on the Pension currently have no representation in Parliament, and personally I am disillusioned with the bloody lot of them
    Paddles
    15th May 2014
    9:41pm
    Sconny et al

    Cast your mind back to the year 2000 and the introduction of the GST.
    Was there a quantum leap in the cost of living shown in any index?
    Answer.....No.....Because it was designed to eliminate a whole host of other State taxes, most of which were completely unknown to the general public so, to a large degree, nobody was hit up for much.
    What did happen was, the big end of town, through their conspicuous consumption, began paying rather more tax than they had previously by their having corporate and/or trust account cover that minimised their Income Tax contribution. Net result was a rather painless win for the national economy.
    If you doubt this, then try to get your Labor representative to commit to abolishing the GST if they regain power.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    11:47am
    Paddles: The GST on my electricity account outstrips my pension rebate and has been steadily increasing due to the high cost of electricity, and therefore the quarterly pension rebate doesn't offer me much more than half a tank of petrol.
    I agree regarding the taxes on processed foods etc. as taxes ranged from around 7% on some items and up to 22.1/2% on others.
    Paying GST with tradies is a case of if you are honest you pay them by cheque and if you are deceitful you pay cash and they wipe the GST.
    The GST is an impost to people in property transactions as there are still stamp duties in place in some States.
    However, if nobody was hit up for much, why bother with a GST in the first place?
    I, myself, would prefer a rise in the GST than having my pension calculated in the new format where it will not rise sufficiently over time to keep up with the current cost of living. I can control what I spend my money on as far as the GST is concerned, but having my pension dwindle backwards is not appealing.
    If you read my post further up you will understand I'm not a person who wastes money, its too precious to me. The big end of town are more inclined to spend less than the lower end as they are more focused on making more money.
    PlanB
    15th May 2014
    12:19pm
    I never voted for either the Libs OR the Lab' as I am over the lot of them and I can never understand why someone --chooses to vote for "the best of a bad lot" Abbott has always been untrustworthy and lacks empathy and he will never change

    HAve a look at this --


    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/education-union-blasts-245m-budget-funding-for-school-chaplains-20140514-zrcs5.html
    tams
    15th May 2014
    12:29pm
    I voted Liberal last election. I would strongly vote Liberal again. I want somebody who will do the right thing for me, my children and my grandchildren, not somebody who will bankrupt my country
    Allieannie
    15th May 2014
    12:53pm
    The Labor Govt left a debt of some $300b.....Within three months Abbott and Hockey blew it out to over $660b....NOW! Who is the mob who 'bankrupted' the country. (And why do we on DSP have to repay THEIR profligacy )
    Oldie84
    15th May 2014
    12:58pm
    Good for you , tams.

    Go back to school Alliannie.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    1:45pm
    Good for you again Tams.

    I'm with you as JFK said

    "ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what can you do for your country"

    He was probably the last of the lefties who had integrity and guts.
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:24pm
    Good on you Tams. At least you are not a whinger and have a brain.
    heyyybob
    15th May 2014
    12:35pm
    C'mon people !! Different brushes same bucket (of tar!!) Surely, if you are over 40 years of age, you have realised this over your long lives ?!?!!?? It's always about the life of the elected government and hardly ever about the long term welfare of the citizens :(
    Flamingo
    15th May 2014
    12:48pm
    Out they go or maybe we are looking at double dissolution??
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    1:27pm
    Don't think the libs will risk it.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    1:39pm
    What then ?

    Back to the labor idiots who never had to make an honest quid in their lives.

    People like trade union reps and perennial university lefties who came close to putting us on a path to everlasting continuing debt, with no plan to change that spiral.

    Come on think about it first.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    7:26pm
    It is possible. The Budget has to be passed by both Houses in Parliament. I think Labor and some of the Independents + small parties will block some of them.
    Those who have done trademan jobs that require a lot of strength will struggle before they reach 70. They are more likely to succumb to orthopedic problems, possibly need surgery and unable to go back to work = possibility of Disability Support Pension. I know one guy who was forced to retire at 58 y.o. with some stress fractures in his spine. There is a long waiting list for knee replacements. They call them in to meetings before they even know when they are likely to operate. If for some reason they don't go they drop further down or to the bottom of the list.
    I personally know somebody in this situation.

    15th May 2014
    12:51pm
    What else did anyone really expect? Living proof that politicians will say anything to get elected, then just go their own merry way when there is little to no comeback. I internet up policies for all the major parties prior to every election and then look at them once in place.

    NO government since I started doing this has kept to its policy statements pre-election.
    survivor
    15th May 2014
    1:09pm
    So true They promise one thing then do another, but I feel that Abbot is taking us backward and not forward.
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    1:22pm
    Seems like a case of Back to The Past - uni fees only the province of the rich etc... elitist society based on non-merit - again... well - it never has been since time began and all thet thar 'social engineering' has created more and greater divides within society rather than 'equalising' everyone...
    Maca1939
    15th May 2014
    12:52pm
    I live in the electoral area of Greg Hunt - please note I did not vote for him and never will - he is doing dreadful things with the Barrier Reef - Abbott is a sad person and his group have told many lies and are now treating pensioners as second class citizens, hopefully the public can now see the lies that he has told, sadly the lies has affected the poorer people of Australia, hopefully they will note what has happened and make sure that in 2 years time that they do not vote this group back into power - please make sure that you note what has happened - and remember on election day next that what happened on 13th May 2014 what changed and what we ended up with and how the results affected people who are on pensions around Australia.
    islandguy
    15th May 2014
    12:55pm
    I had a heart attack aged 45. Since then I've aimed for a totally self-funded retirement (not knowing when I'd need my money). I'm now 58 and been heavily penalised every time I earn or invest so much as a cent. Furthermore, my wife's pension gets cut by about 50% of what I earn.

    They want people to be less dependent on social security yet punish those of us who try to set up for retirement outside their "prescribed" superannuation system. They're certainly discouraging me from working.

    P.S. Politicians are contributing almost nothing (percentage of income wise) in this budget. They could slash their "packages" by 50% and still be better off than those of us that work a lot harder than they do.
    maggie01
    15th May 2014
    1:08pm
    Liberal/Coalition!!!!

    Never voted for them!! never will!!
    How any one could vote for them! I just do not understand!
    RosePerth
    15th May 2014
    1:18pm
    I admit (reluctantly) that I voted for them. I've been a swinging voter for years but never again. This has taught me a lesson and the Libs will NEVER get my vote again, Federal or State. Thank you Tony Abbott and pals for helping me to make my mind up once and for all,
    Alexia_x
    15th May 2014
    1:21pm
    I am amazed at the indifference and indolence of our country. We just had a budget delivered, full of broken promises and we just react saying we won't vote for this people next time around!
    Aren't we capable of more active reactions? After all we are the people affected by those lies and false promises, they are not one iota less rich or powerful to dominate us all!
    I think Mr Abbot, Hockey and all of them, know that Australians only protest
    but never take direct action and so we won't be getting rid of them soon.
    Lets do something more positive and write, talk, appear in public forums and tv programs and generally tell them that we are not ready to accept their budget, their terms and their general bull.....and political presence any longer, maybe a double dissolution is the answer. It happened before for lesser ofenses.
    We would be getting rid of much garbage, abuse, drunkennsess and rottenness by these people.
    Ink
    15th May 2014
    1:29pm
    One Term Tony
    One term Tony
    Is full of baloney
    ‘cause he only works for his friends.
    He’d axe carbon tax
    But cut Sardinio slack
    And to miners he’ll make amends.

    One term Tony
    Just a show pony
    Why won’t he just go away?!.
    He talks about ‘levy’
    Displays his ‘girls’ in a bevy
    But fem pollies get nothing to say.

    One term Tony
    Wants taxpayers bony,
    Or Medicare will charge them more.
    And a min. wage drop you tout,
    While Hockey sells ‘influence’ about,
    The public service to become a whore?

    One term Tony
    Your face so stony
    As you lisp on ‘bout financial ills
    But we know it is false
    You’re doing “the Budget” waltz
    The taxpayer takes bitter pills
    Happy cyclist
    15th May 2014
    1:57pm
    Thank you Ink for introducing some 'light relief' into this discussion.
    particolor
    16th May 2014
    9:52pm
    Turn that light out !!! What do You think I am ?? A Millionaire !!
    Mazza
    15th May 2014
    1:29pm
    Abbot and his gang did not put Australia in this mess. . some people have amnesia from one election to the other as I bet there is not one in recent history when some promise or another has been broken. It's just more difficult to deny it these days with electonic recordings and footage being trotted out at a moment's notice . It would not matter how significant or how tiny a lie was that is all that is focused on not the actual content. At the moment I am tired of anyone in opposition sidestepping valid questions by saying, like a spoilt child "BBBut he broke a promise " . How about coming up with a better solution then if they know a better way ?
    digiom
    16th May 2014
    8:35pm
    Hear..hear!!
    particolor
    16th May 2014
    9:55pm
    PINNOCHIO ......
    Alexia_x
    15th May 2014
    1:30pm
    Do you realize that this Prime Minister and Treasurer lied so blatantly? They were so anxious to sit on the government important chairs they would have done anything to get there.
    People like that deserves to be sent to sit on the top of a garbage pile with holes in their pants and not on top of the people of Australia.
    We are the voters and the deciders of our lives but let them dictate and passively take it. Wrong.
    Sconny
    15th May 2014
    4:26pm
    Alexia..form a Seniors party...I'll vote for you
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    1:34pm
    It is quite unfair to additionally tax those who are earning over $180,000 because they are already paying a very high marginal tax rate.

    Joe did it so that the Naysayers could no longer say that politicians did not do their fair share because he and Tony will have to pay this additional tax.

    When I was working and paying the highest marginal tax rate along came the gun levy, which I thought was ridiculous because criminals can still get as many guns as they like.

    A guy got shot in Qld from a high rise with an illegal gun and he walks free so what did that extra tax achieve ?
    Ink
    15th May 2014
    1:37pm
    I always wonder, WHY, when the lie is so blatant, by any party, we cannot FIRE the liars? Is it because then we'd have no Parliament at all?
    If they were responsible IMMEDIATELY for their election promise failures, if they had to 'survive' on the average Australian wage, if they had to wait until 65-70 to access their very generous public pension would pollies actually try to work for the average punter, the 90% that don't bankroll them?
    Jen
    17th May 2014
    8:31am
    Agreed. If this mob worked for big business and their lies, broken promises and con-man methods brought the business into disrepute, they'd be fired. They're appalling examples to young people. No wonder so many think life isn't worth living. No jobs, human rights disappearing by the week, in a country run by crooks. We have less and less to be proud of in this once-proud country.
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th May 2014
    1:49pm
    Why don't these idiots try some innovative thinking to their Taxation collecting? Because neither the Left or the Right can think beyond their own brainwashed ideology.....that's why?
    They are copying American ideology of Greed is Good....all of them!
    We need to kick both the big parties out.....to teach them a sorrowful lesson!
    When we get a Leader who can think up solutions that fit OUR needs......which are the Country's (Cos without us you don't have one).....then we may start to LEAD instead of follow other economies mistakes.
    Penalising people Right or Left, on Fixed incomes.....is Unaustralian!
    Get rid of the penalty restrictions imposed on the Pensioners for working Part-time. Let them earn what they like without Penalty or Reduction of their pensions. The Government will get it all back in GST over time anyway. Very few Hoard money in old age....they tend to spend it on Family needs or Holidays.....Both boosting the economy and employment.
    Remove the restrictions prohibitions/restrictions on the 55 to 65 Baby Boomers accessing their Superannuation if they become too ill to work or get retrenched. Show some respect to the fact that they have worked for over 40yrs!
    Most would use it to Retrain at School as they never had the cash to do so whilst raising kids.
    Anyway very few of the 55 to 65yr olds have 200 or 300,00 in Super....most would be lucky to have between 50 & 150.....some even less!
    Let them access it if they are out of work or retrenched! Let them have that holiday & recharge instead of struggling on the dole.
    They can't get the jobs because they do not have the Qualifications.....yeah plenty of experience....but no Quals!
    Same as the young guy on the dole....don't make his jobsearch without allowing him to Upskill.....waste of the dole money and time! Encourage them to Train up their Skills first. Sometimes a simple Truck Licence or Forklift licence can help.
    Instead of spending Billions on Defence Planes...cut it in Half and INVEST in the Younger Generation.
    Subsidise them with low rate loans if necessary....encourage them...don't kick them in the head just because they made a mistake or their company downsized.
    Don't take away......lead by example.....if you want people to work smarter.....they need to be taught how to......by Our Leaders!
    Australians are not wingers or freeloaders and neither are the immigrants that come here! We just want a Fair Go Mate!
    That means helping those less fortunate.....not abandoning them!
    Abbott & Costello could have got their increased revenue without punishing the elderly or people on restricted incomes.
    Bloody Hell.....most Aussies would have paid 2 cents a litre on fuel rather than do that!
    The Pricks are the ones with the "WE are Entitled!" attitudes...not the poor! Seriously...the fox smells his own hole first!
    They are not entitled to sit back, smoke cigars and laugh at their citizens who are counting on them to achieve SMARTER fixes than there recent Silly & Small Minded efforts!
    I have refused to vote for either of them in the last two elections...they are as bad as each other!
    I am just waiting for everyone else to play catch up and Vote Independent en masse.....man would I love to see the look on both the Parties Leaders if we all did that to them......Put em both on the Opposition seats for 4 yrs......yeah ....I know.....Dreams are free! LOL
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    2:25pm
    Well said, Independents in the majority for only once would then become a wake-up call to the two current major parties. This would show we have had enough of continual non innovative policies. When was the last time any of these major parties come up with anything innovative.

    Now I am not saying that that a majority of independents would either but at least they would put forward at least sensible alternatives.

    Unfortunately we have one problem here. Independents cannot govern in their own right. They are all separate. The party with the most MP's even if there are more independents have to be offered first. Then the talking begins. You could then end up with a coalition e.g. of 30 Libs/Nats and 50 independents. This still would not get rid of the likes of Abbott as the PM comes from the major party.

    All that the independents can do is keep them honest.
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    10:43pm
    Did you guys sus out "Restore Australia"? They look like a great alternative to labor-LNP they advocate people referendum, letting the people decide through referendum, like in Switzerland. They also propose a draft referendum. They're really worth a look!
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    10:45pm
    A draft constitution, sorry
    clackers
    15th May 2014
    1:51pm
    Good on ya btony-great argument-you'll have to go back to the bottom of the garden.
    john
    15th May 2014
    1:57pm
    are we really getting absent minded as a nation, when previous government realised they were on the way out their spending rocketed way beyond what we could afford. when the new team took over they would have found that things were worse than expected. so for the sake of AUSTRALIA and not one or two parties, they had to do what they did
    MITZY
    15th May 2014
    3:21pm
    Not really there is the treasury document (introduced by Costello) that gives both sides of government details of the nation's finances, i.e. budget honesty. However both sides will, when brought to power by us, claim they didn't know it was as bad as it is????
    Howard left the Rudd government with $70 billion of future spending which Rudd indicated he would honour and then after he was elected, he had the GFC to contend with to keep this country from heading in the same direction as the rest of the developed world. Our spending is the lowest in relation to GDP and we have triple A credit ratings from three different sources, which no other government has ever achieved.
    Politicians of both persuasions always come up with grandiose ideas but I doubt they are ever fully costed and herein lies the problem that will always exist, they do and say anything to get elected and suffer the consequences later.
    Golden Oldie
    15th May 2014
    2:06pm
    I won't change my vote, because I did not vote for the coalition and have not done for many decades. I am wishing for a double dissolution to get rid of the liers.
    Jon S
    15th May 2014
    2:07pm
    After all the nasty hateful things Abbott said about Julia Gillard's single lie he tells a plethora of them - he exudes sheer hypocrisy.
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    2:28pm
    Exactly, but there are plenty who screamed for her neck who will defend Abbott to the end.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    5:11pm
    Did you not hear the famous hateful speech by Gillard over Abbott's so called sexist attitude/mindset?

    It was full of untruths and vitriol
    KSS
    15th May 2014
    2:10pm
    Looks like the 'actual' budget has upset everyone. Must be on the right track then.

    BTW, why has no-one at least acknowledged the wind-back of the pollie Gold Card, the $7b reduction in overseas aid and 'making the top part of town pay'? All of these things were being demanded by those on this site in the lead up to the budget. All have been delivered yet no acknowledgement? Why is that? Poor memories? Oh no that's right, you won't forget!
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    2:12pm
    I think you're wrong Drew, the Australian public will forgive and forget and I am not confident at all that they will be out on their bums next election, as they should be. I have no confidence in this government, other than their ability to destroy and deflate. But nor do I have confidence in Australian voters.
    maggie01
    15th May 2014
    2:25pm
    I will not forget!!
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    15th May 2014
    2:29pm
    As has been the case for the last few elections, the biggest thing in the reigning govs favour is the incompetence of the opposition.
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    2:26pm
    We've gone from the world's best Treasurer to the world's worst. Nothing but doom and gloom ahead as the destroyers have taken over and doing it their way.
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:20pm
    Is that a joke. Swan got us into this mess.. the dickhead.
    Thai Traveller
    15th May 2014
    2:30pm
    I'm in Thailand where I can afford to pay rent and live and eat decently. Not a lot left to spare, as I have to pay all medical bills, prescriptions, etc, but can't complain. NO, we do not get the power and phone supplements - just the basic pension.

    It's difficult to find little details such as if the age pension will be affected for the many of us living overseas. Some things seem to be a bit under the carpet: I only heard today that tobacco tax is going up. No complaints there. Did beer get away with no increase?

    Totally amazed that the carbon tax is being dropped, while other countries are looking at introducing it.

    Anyone got info there?
    Sconny
    15th May 2014
    4:28pm
    mate do you have a spare room I could borrow for a few years
    particolor
    16th May 2014
    10:15pm
    We are not counting our Chooks yet Mate !! There is still a Fox in the Chook Shed !!.
    The Carbon Tax is alive and Well and awaiting another name !!
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    8:19pm
    Alcohol especially Beer, and Tobacco prices increase at the same time every year. (From memory it is twice a year). The Govt. gets a huge income via tax, levy or whatever they choose to call it, and extra GST. Medicine you can buy over the counter that is not written on a prescription even though the GP tells you to use it you pay GST. I don't think it is all allocated to health. Not all taxes charged in the price of fuel are allocated to roads either.
    I realise Govts. have to charge us taxes. The services have to be paid for...but of they are put on specific services they have no excuse for not allocating the funds to that need.
    MiningMagnet
    15th May 2014
    2:39pm
    Quelle surpise...an aussie politician tells lies on behalf of a party in opposition just to win power.
    Give me a moment to recover.
    There is no surprise to see the right-Libs go after the funds/income of those least well placed to defend themselves - this is part of their 'take from poor and give to rich because they know how to spend it more wisely ' mantra.....again - forget memory we can simply consult basic documentation if we choose.
    While the right-wing ideologues foam-up and parrot the company, oops, I mean the party line re the above comments, it's important to remember that the 'cash for comment crew' operate at this level and so the rusted on right-wingers will be physically unable to observe any Libs deficiency
    Here's the test - if you think Andrew Bolt's commentary is 'reasonable observation about life conditions in Australia' (apart from being a bit thick) you can reliably consider yourself a 'rusted on right-winger' or a right-wing-whack-job RWWJ if you prefer.
    While the Libs are making fools of themselves on the domestic scene (it is a relief from them making fools of themselves and Australia on the diplomatic scene...ho hum....) we should not let the Labs off the hook either
    While they continue to behave like a bunch of disorganised loons in their apparent inability to engage the press and have some wins that stick (despite the Libs handing them frequent opportunities to do so) we can't really take them seriously as an alternate.
    So, here's what I do - I just vote against whoever is in power - that way I can turn them around before they get settled in and REALLY start asset stripping our population.
    Significant fact - long-term right-wing govts have been the pre-cursor to each massive recession eg great depression, GFC, etc etc ....please check my facts.....
    Yes folks----if you want to ID the group best able to legislate asset stripping of the poor and vulnerable (that would be the sub-prime borrowers) look to the right to do it
    Is there anyone out there who thinks a Lib govt would have called the Royal Commission into Child Abuse - if you think they would have - you can consider yourself a RWWJ ideologue
    dawnie
    15th May 2014
    2:46pm
    Maybe we should be starting our own political party for the over 50's and 60's. There are so many minor parties being voted in I am sure we would do okay. Maybe it would make the Government sit up and listen to Seniors and pensioners in Australia
    Sen.Cit.90
    15th May 2014
    3:24pm
    Yes dawnie, we tried that years ago and it was quickly squashed "Grey Power'. Have a look at this party www.restore-australia.org.au. Perhaps read their draft of a new 'Constitution for Australia'. It is similar to the Switzerland government where 'Politicians can be recalled or sacked
    NGE
    15th May 2014
    2:47pm
    Tezza, I will say a little prayer for you in the hope you may see the error of your unkind words. I too am a pensioner who does not smoke, drink, gamble have holidays..just barely exist. How unkind you are Tezza
    Tezza
    15th May 2014
    3:30pm
    Thank you NGE. A prayer would be helpful. I trust that I can keep working and paying taxes well into my 70s.(4 years to go). For a clean living soul such as yourself I cannot imagine how you get by on the old age pension. When my time comes to go on the pension I will possibly opt for what Masuk has done and head for Thailand which is currently an ungoverned country but it is warm, cheap living and the Thais all get by. Hopefully I can afford a housekeeper/carer.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    4:47pm
    Wow Tezza a bit like those wonderful banks, telcos and all that who outsource Australian jobs to cheaper countries.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    8:24pm
    If you are living there permanently I very much doubt the Aust. Govt. has an arrangement with Thailand. If that is the case I think there is a limit of time you can live or stay overseas and still receive an Aust. pension. Sounds a bit suspect to me.
    Nightshade
    15th May 2014
    3:10pm
    There is CIVIL UNREST throughout the Whole of Europe.
    SERIOUS CIVIL UNREST that we do not get to see on TV or in the papers.
    What's more MASSES OF PEOPLE ARE ON THE MOVE ALL OVER EUROPE.
    It is like a dry bush on a hot day waiting for a spark to light it over there -
    MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT & AUSTERITY
    People are so enraged
    You have got to give it to them - the political & banking sector who have caused all this disastrous situation - THEY ARE COOL in the face of it.

    According to what I read in the global media Viktor Yanukovich the deposed leader of the Ukraine is blamed for the coup & the theft of the Ukraine GOLD - as a consequence there is a price on his head - Viktor Yanukovivh has kill himself.
    Yet everyone is cool - or is it that they have a death wish ?
    Kato
    15th May 2014
    3:53pm
    Howard may have had a 90 billion surplus, but the state of our Health and education systems were complete run down shambles.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    11:57am
    Agree Kato: The 90 billion surplus soon disappeared in Howard's election promises (the election he lost) as the spending covered 70 billion of promises. Rudd committed Labor to a lot of those promises and then no sooner in power the GFC occurred world wide. The UN/IMF indicate we have the lowest percentage of debt to GDP i.e. 12% and the nearest to us is more than three times that amount and some countries are in triple figure debt.
    We are also the only country with a Triple A credit rating from three different ratings organisations.
    Both Libs and Labs have their policies of which our diverse population considers and votes for. Its hard for people who are in the lower socio-economic arena to contemplate how they will manage with the proposed imposts and the big end of town and high income earners won't even notice their imposts.
    Switch
    15th May 2014
    3:54pm
    I am so sorry for those people who voted for an Abbott government and now wish they hadn't. I wish you hadn't either. It was so obvious before the election that Tony Abbott and his heartless, inexperienced crew were not fit to govern. How about insult to injury and the inappropriateness of Hockey's dancing to "Best days of my Life". Maybe only for him. I cannot believe that Tony Abbott touts Christian values. Where is his compassion. Certainly does not practice what he preaches.
    Oh well only two years to the next election. Let us hope people remember.
    Drew
    15th May 2014
    4:30pm
    The main issue in Australian politics is that there is no legitimate third party that represents the views of the masses. The majority of those swing voters who went to the Libs in the last election had quite frankly had a gutful of Labor and there was no Ruddy way they were voting Mr Ego back in after his take back of power.
    Wstaton
    15th May 2014
    4:52pm
    Gee Webmaster Drew, You must be one of those Liberal lovers (Tongue in cheek)
    Sconny
    15th May 2014
    5:19pm
    you are spot on. Abbott is a proven misogynistic and egotistical bully, at question time he stacks the seats behind him with women but how many women are in his cabinet..whether you could count Bishop as a woman is debatable
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    5:19pm
    Most democratic countries evolve to having a governing party and an opposition, because other wise you have fragmentation and never get any thing done,
    So if a country wants to get ahead the minor parties have to form a coalition to be sufficiently powerful to oppose.
    This country has voters that just want big handouts, and then wonder why, after a period we go broke.
    Be happy with reasonable hand outs, and stop whinging, and the country has a chance to prosper
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    12:28pm
    retroy: the politicians are the ones that hand out the carrots with no credibility as to how they will pay for them. The majority of voters wouldn't have a clue to the costings of these policies and vote for what suits them the most.
    If we are working mums and dads and can see the benefits from what the pollies are offering, naturally that's the way they vote (through their pocket).
    Pollies lie through their teeth anything will be said to get in office. They are currently bleating about how much the age pensions etc. are costing us and that it is the biggest revenue outgoings. However, a few days ago in the SMH it indicated this was not so. Just another "pants on fire" misnomer.
    With a debt ratio of 12% to GDP I wouldn't consider we were going broke! There isn't another country in the world with such a low debt to GDP.
    With a debt ratio of 12% to GDP at the time of changeover of governments and the budget honesty policy being available to make sound judgements, its hard to believe we have a debt crisis.
    I'm happy with the status quo as far as the single pension is provided at present. I don't like the idea of it being based on inflation in 2017 instead of the current way. SMH has indicated over a short period of time pensioners will go backwards by $1500 to $2000 dollars p.a. They will not notice this discrepancy because they will still be receiving increments twice yearly, but those increments will be much smaller. How, if a pensioner is totally reliant on the age pension can he or she afford to go backwards when the cost of living continues to rise and the bills continue to rise and they then have to contend with that as well as the impost of co-payments to doctors, pathology x-rays etc.? They are not earning money like the taxpayers of this nation that keep up with the cost of living with pay rises etc.
    The co-payments to high income earners are a drop in the ocean as is the 2% deficit tax. Abbott and other pollies earn more than the president of USA and the PM of UK who have far more responsibilities and Abbott's bleating about paying an additional $6,500 levy tax for just a couple of years and a freeze of pollies salaries for just 12 months.
    Ocelot
    15th May 2014
    4:10pm
    Yes I would change my vote I come from a strong Liberal (Coalition) background but am very disappointed. The mishandling of welfare recipients in the future is disgusting! I am on a aged pension and mad that they can mess with this the stingy, inhumane creatures. I am not a baby boomer but a builder and makes me sick to hear people say we should use our superannuation - what super I ask? This scheme was non existent and when we married the man went to work very few women worked when they had children.
    I recall tho that the coalition have always been stingey to pensioners and resent them having any extra. Dont like to say but Labor under Rudd gave us the extra $30 that time.
    I hope someone has the guts to speak up for us and make them rescind these decisions to hit the pensioners. Good on you Kaye Fallick I see you going in to bat on our behalf often. But where is Labor and the Greens on this matter. I tell you that whichever party gives a fair go to us and other welfare recipients will win the next election.
    I know the Coaltion have a financial mess to correct but there is NO excuse to hit people on welfare there are many other ways to do it.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    8:32pm
    Women have not always been entitled to have a Super Account.
    I was lucky that it became legal to do so not long before I started work and that the Company I worked for subsidised prior to it becoming compulsory or even being being talked about.
    After every election for as long as I can remember if there is/was a change of party they have blamed the previous Govt. for a deficit.
    wally
    15th May 2014
    4:15pm
    BAD TONY. BAAAAD, BAAAD, BAAAD! After making such a fuss about the so called lie julia Gillard made over her reversal on the Carbon Tax when she said "There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead", we should all recognize the fact that she indeed told the truth. Ask Bob Brown. By forming an unnecessary political alliance with Bob Brown's Greens to secure a parliamentary majority in the House, she in effect surrendered the leadership of the government to Bob Brown in following Green mandated policy for the rest of her term as Prime Minister. As long as she was a good girl and did as she was told, Bob Brown let her ponce around and call herself Prime Minister. In short, Bob Brown and the Greens called the tune and Julia danced on the end of the string as Bob jerked it around. So now we will leave the past and look at what our current Prime minister and treasurer are up to, as well as examining what the Leader of the Opposition and the shadow treasurer are likewise doing. Mr Shorten and Mr. Bowen would be better advised to tell us what their plans for Australia would be should they regain office as so many people in this forum are predicting. As far as I can see, they point at Tony Abbott and whine about what nasty things he has done as if he were a school yard bully that stole their lollypops. What will a newly formed Labor government do should they regain power? Would they reopen the borders and let the boat people in holus bolus? Would they put on the Santa Claus suit that belonged to Kevin Rudd and hand out money borrowed from China to all and sundry again singing Happy Days Are Here Again? Would we have more public servants on the public payroll writing meaningless memos to each other and formulating pet project policies to pander to the thought bubbles of the ministers in office? What sort of Brave New Australia does Bill Shorten and Co. have planned for us? Before we gather up our torches, pitchforks and other farm implements and storm Abbott Castle to cast the rogue out, lets us find out what Labor has in store for us.
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:12pm
    Bullshit !!!!! Crap!!!!! We need someone with guts. Not whinging and sitting on your bum.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    1:36pm
    Wally: Shorten's speech was the Opposition's REPLY TO THE ABBOTT/HOCKEY BUDGET as it is each year after each budget is proposed. It was not about what Labor would do, but solely a response to the government's proposals and what they would and wouldn't pass.

    So, before we leave the past as you suggest, we need to remember that the negotiations with Abbott and the Greens and the Independents to try to form a government could be equally reversed by what you indicate above, I.e if Abbott had outsmarted Julia, Abbott would have been the "puppet" on the string dancing to the beat of the Greens. Windsor said Abbott walked into the negotiations indicating he would give them anything they wanted other than the "seat of his pants" and they were not happy with his irresponsibilities to run the country.
    To say she "ponced" is a bit rich.
    Dictionary: Ponce, ponced, poncing: To act as a Pimp:
    Dictionary: Pimp: one who solicits for a prostitute or brothel; contemptible person; an informer; a tale-bearer; to inform; to tell tales.
    Pimping: petty, weak, sickly.
    It took more than two weeks of Gillard and Abbott negotiating with the Greens/Independents and they cast their votes for her as being a better outcome for the nation than Abbott.

    Yes, Wally it would be a newly formed Labor government if it either goes to a double dissolution (which I hope it does in some respects and I hope it doesn't in others) or goes full term, and it will not be the same as the old one. So many Labor ministers have gone by the wayside in the past six years and/or retired, so who we have now in opposition is quite different and may well have learned something from their history.

    If as far as you can see we point at Tony Abbott and whine about nasty things he has done, then maybe there is some truth there. One thing you are most probably spot on about Tony Abbott is he appears to have been a "university" bully for sure, but have heard nothing about him starting much earlier at school?
    I'm not sure we have reached the stage of taking up torches, pitchforks etc. and storming the Abbott Castle, Australians are too apathetic for that scenario.
    Dancer
    15th May 2014
    5:11pm
    No I did not vote for the current government, as I did not trust Tony Abbott. That lack of trust has now been vindicated. And No, I and many others won't forget the broken promises come the next election.
    retroy
    15th May 2014
    5:25pm
    Then you will get the big wasters back until enough people wake up and realize the country is going down the plug hole and kick the socialist out.
    Is that our destiny, good, bad, then back to good, for the country that is ?!
    AlbertC
    15th May 2014
    7:13pm
    im saying it again i warned you fools about trusting abbot i told you what he would do but oh no you adamant that they wold be good and kind to its voters crap libs have never been good at any time they prefer the dictator mode so you need to do now is push the senate to push a double disillusion and vote the dishonest bastards out . have nice day.
    Young
    15th May 2014
    7:47pm
    I hear people talking about the poor.Have a look at Africa,India and Afganistan and you will see the poor.There are no poor in Australia.We could all get by with much less.We all want everything now.
    Jen
    15th May 2014
    8:08pm
    So, Woolly, it's ok to take from the sick and the poor to "fix things" (which it won't, it's just stifling the economy?) It's ok that mining companies pay a far lower fuel tax and tax rate on profits, which then leave the country, along with the resources that belong to all Australians, causing pollution and not having to do anything about it? It's ok to take money out of education and ensure only the wealthy can have a higher education ensuring that merit has nothing to do with it? To dismantle Medicare which made us a civilised country? We should simply tighten our belts further? Yeah right!
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:10pm
    Quite right, just a mob of beer swilling pot bellied whingers. Getting worse than Poms. Work a bit harder and learn to save.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    8:44pm
    There is the odd Mining Companies who rehabilitate the land and plant a lot of native vegetation. This has been done at the old part of the open cut coal mine at Leigh Creek which was set up by the Electricity Trust of South Australia. (My now late Dad worked for them until he retired when it was still called ETSA) We stayed up there once during school hoildays and stayed up there in a Motel several years later. The shopping centre and housing area was moved (a lot of houses were replaced with brand new ones) and the old one has a lot of vegetation - native trees,shrubs, grassesand our state floral emblem which is native in the Flinders Ranges and some areas north of there.
    Kato
    15th May 2014
    8:00pm
    When phony Tony was trying to buy Windsors vote he said he would do just about anything to become Pm he woulkd even consider bending over if it made him PM. this is on record with a tv interview with Tony Windsor. that tells you the caliber of the I can't bring myself to say that he is a M
    Kato
    15th May 2014
    8:02pm
    And yes, I know the spelling is not perfect, maybe I should run for Parliament.

    15th May 2014
    8:07pm
    Abbott had no choice but to get the debt under control after the fiasco of the borrow and hope labor government. What is wrong with you all. Broken promices is all Shorty Shorten can say, after his lot caused the problem. I say, just fix up labors mess as soon as you can.
    Pass the Ductape
    15th May 2014
    8:11pm
    Agree - but why lay it all at the feet of those who can least afford it?
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:14pm
    Ductape, It should be shared by all Australians, and the debt tax on salaries over $150,000 shows we will all contribute.
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    15th May 2014
    8:26pm
    I would suggest about 99% of householders in this country went into debt to buy their house.
    Irresponsible?
    I would suggest 99% of those went into debt for 25 years to buy their homes.
    Why is it necessary for a country of more than 22 million to get out of debt in 5 years?
    The great NeoLiberal lie is that governments have no right to exist. NeoLibs (that's both LIb and Lab) reckon govs can't raise money through business, but must rely solely on tax receipts, -while at the same time trying to reduce taxation in order to be popular.
    We are constantly told govs can't run businesses.
    Is Qantas a better company for being privatised?
    Is Telstra a better company for being privatised?
    The commonwealth bank is still a cash cow, making over 2 billion a quarter, and we the -used to be- share holders get buggrall because the gov sold it off.
    The blind leading the blind.
    btony
    15th May 2014
    10:08pm
    Yes Pete,no privatisation has ever resulted in lower costs for the consumer
    particolor
    16th May 2014
    10:47pm
    I've got Tasmania up for sale at the Moment. I know I don't own it but that doesn't seem to matter now !! The Libs sold Newcastle Harbor so I'm selling Tassie !! I've had a great offer from China !! But I think I can do better !! ..
    Any Offers ???
    Ozetwo
    15th May 2014
    8:11pm
    The last election result proved how dumbed down the majority of voters have become. They lapped up simplistic three worded policy slogans (No more taxes, Stop the Boats, great big tax etc). With the wholehearted support of the Murdoch press no one questioned them and put them on the spot.No wonder this crowd want to underfund education. Congratulations to you all I surrender, I am voting informal from now on.
    Pass the Ductape
    15th May 2014
    8:13pm
    Why vote at all? None of the pricks are worth it!
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:16pm
    Agreed, with our meagre population we cannot afford the duplication of state governments. Kick them out.
    Pass the Ductape
    15th May 2014
    8:16pm
    Heard this somewhere, but i's the truth none-the-less. We the people are of little consequence to politicians - we're only several million reasons to get what THEY want!
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    1:48pm
    Well put Ductape: I was listening to radio for a while yesterday and a beaut old song came on. One that was sung by Sarah Vaughan and Dinah Shore decades ago. It was called Whatever Lola Wants, Lola Gets.
    All we have to do is change LOLA to TONY.

    So in part it goes thus:

    Whatever TONY wants TONY gets and little man little TONY wants you.
    Make up your mind to have no regrets ... recline yourself, resign yourself, your through.
    I always get what I aim for and your heart and soul is what I came for ..... etc.

    It fits us pensioners to a tee. With pugilistic glee knock em down eh !
    wally
    15th May 2014
    8:19pm
    I am pleased that Bill Shorten is the champion of the working poor people in Australia. Can anyone tell me when he is going to repeal the carbon tax that is such a burden on the poor families and pensioners he claims he wants to help?
    Anonymous
    15th May 2014
    8:39pm
    Pigs might fly. Shorten is an incompetant idiot and should not be leader. Elbow was much better.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    1:54pm
    Wally: don't you get the energy supplement with your age pension? We got it to compensate for the carbon price imposed on the largest polluters.
    Gee Whiz
    15th May 2014
    8:59pm
    Lying is now and integral part of a politicians make up. No one can believe anything they say about any subject.
    In Queensland the then premier, Peter Beattie promised cheaper electricity. He lied. Following him came Anna Bligh promising not to sell off public assets. She lied.

    Julia Gillard promised NO carbon tax. She lied.

    Back to Queensland and Campbell Newman promised not to sell of public assets. He lied.

    Why do people keep voting for politicians that lie. I have been a conservative voter all my life. No more. The ALP and LNP are compulsive liars. They are corrupt to the core. Time for change and Clive Palmer's PUP party is now the party of choice.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    2:10pm
    Gee Whiz: Agree we do have a lot of politicians of all persuasions who lie and go to church too, how they walk through the church doors I do not know.
    However, two days before the federal election on Brisbane TV she said:
    There will be no carbon tax but I don't rule out an emissions trading scheme. If you look to find this the political bloggers etc. will tell you that it is hard to find and most websites have taken it off. It was part of a long interview about the impending election.
    If you end up with a hung parliament (as we did) and you have to negotiate with the Greens and four other Independents to form a government, then those people are going to make demands. Abbott would be accused of lying if he had been the supreme negotiator of the two of them. Tony Windsor stood up in Parliament and said Abbott offered to give them (the Independents) anything they wanted except the seat of his pants!
    I don't really know anymore what party is worth voting for (and I have been a swinger most of my life until I became an age pensioner and Labor seemed to be a better choice). Clive Palmer is gaining momentum and has indicated if there is a double dissolution he will stand candidates in all seats and wants to become PM!?
    My query would be how does a mining billionaire relate to low wage earners and pensioners etc.
    Kato
    15th May 2014
    9:15pm
    Gee Whizz
    yep and all PUP has to do now is back up what he has been saying, and I think he will get even more votes if Abott and co want to call an election, of which they wont. All piss and wind, you can see the lying bastards sweating already, what this country needs is another Don Chip.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    2:19pm
    I met Don Chip when he was Minister for Customs and we were negotiating with him for a reduced tariff on some imported industrial packaging equipment which was not able to be manufactured in Australia. Those were the days when manufacturing was protected with varying percentages of tariffs. My boss and he were also members of Amnesty International and worked for the release of Alexander Soltzinitzen (not sure of the spelling here) from a Russian prison for being politically active.
    He was a good kind person and he would turn in his grave if he would have witnessed the demise of his Democrat Party. When he broke away from the Libs and formed the Democrats it was the first time I voted for a different party to the main two.
    crazy one
    15th May 2014
    9:47pm
    As it goes to show you there are some good con-men out there and ABBOTT and his Hench men are are showing it.
    Young
    15th May 2014
    10:48pm
    We will really be in strife if Palmer has too much influence.
    Our forbears knew how to save and do for themselves with very little.We could all do with some of their common sense and know how.You don't need frozen and takeaway food.Improvise and grow some of your own.Have one less beer or smoke and buy one less Tattslotto.Go for a walk and live.
    Jen
    16th May 2014
    8:34am
    How fortunate you are to be able to be so smug. Sadly, many in our community are flat out paying rent and the most basic of food that takeaway, beers and smokes don't feature in their lives. But the thing is Woolly, you just never know what's around the corner.
    Gee Whiz
    16th May 2014
    7:13am
    Fancy a grub like Warren Truss having the nerve to say pensioners waste their money on cruises and holidays when they retire so they can claim the pension.
    This mealy mouthed slob has lived in the lap of political luxury for the last twenty years and has flown around the world, first class, a dozen times or more all on the taxpayer dollar.
    He will retire on a taxpayer funded pension plus lump sum payout that could only be matched by ordinary people winning the Lotto. And he will still have access to all the political perks.
    How dare this political jerk, who has contributed nothing to help build this country, and bludged on the public purse for most of his life, point the finger at those who have slaved and saved all their lives to build a modest retirement.
    You should hang your head in shame Warren Truss. You are a disgrace and so are you're LNP mates.
    Jen
    16th May 2014
    8:38am
    Totally agree Gee Whiz. Well said. And Joe Hockey with his contempt for pensioners, inferring the only reason they will struggle with the $7 co-payment is because they're drinkers, smokers and gamblers. I feel nothing but disgust for this pig of a man.
    MITZY
    16th May 2014
    2:29pm
    Gee Whiz: Well put, the extremely pompous Warren Truss wouldn't have an inkling on what pensioners spent their pensions on. What about the affluent Billy McMahon who happened to be a Prime Minister of this country but managed to diddle his rich finances in order to receive an aged pension??
    They all have skins like rhinoserouses
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    4:34pm
    You're are spot on mate! Their motto is:" Do as I say and not as I do! " They're just a bunch of scumbag living the high life on people misery.

    16th May 2014
    7:48am
    spare a thought for young people too. young people, unless they have middle class family support, will become more and more desperate with the cruel burdens and punishments now to be imposed on them – especially young people under 30 years of age. with youth unemployment already high, they will have little choice other than theft or charity. suicide rates, already very high for young men, will increase. homelessness and domestic violence will increase.

    this government will respond by “cracking down”, with bigger and more brutal police forces, so they can impose “law and order”.

    and it could be so very different. the scandinavian countries with some of the strongest welfare systems in the world also are famous for having the best health and educations systems, and extremely low crime rates as well. their low birth rates also help to raise the standards of living for all citizens.

    on top of that norway, sweden, and finland all have negative net external debt and denmark has about half our already very low external debt. norway actually has the biggest government surplus in the world by far and still funds far more social welfare than we do, as unlike australia it actually knows how to tax it natural resources.

    if you have relatively high taxes and spend that revenue on the people, any country's most valuable resource, then you actually create a really good economy, and far more importantly, a place where people want to live.

    what a tradgedy that australia is now going in the opposite direction.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/barns-slashing-welfare-is-a-recipe-for-crime/5454950
    Young
    16th May 2014
    8:17am
    I know of plenty of people who have retired and immediately work out how to spend money so they can get the pension.They go on trips,buy Winnebagos and caravans,buy new cars,give money to family etc.And why shouldn't they if allowed.The whole system is wrong.The pension should only be available for the very needy.
    berylpat
    16th May 2014
    8:59am
    So Abbott is working to close Canberra down with his axing of 16,000 jobs. If income tax collection is reverted back to the states they can pay for hospitals and education. Maybe it is time to rid ourselves of the Federal Government, the costs of running it and the greedy politicians who have only big business and themselves in their sights.
    Paddles
    16th May 2014
    11:21am
    berylpat

    Interesting concept to reverse Federation, which would be effectively what would happen if you were to eliminate a system of federal Govt.
    How do you think that the disparate states would handle those minor matters like Defense, Foreign Affairs etc?
    I think that a small delve into history may be in order for you.
    Young
    16th May 2014
    9:20am
    What a pity young people do not stick at their jobs these days.Many even have gap years before they think about work. And then many of them only work for a year or two before they are off overseas.Then back they come and save again for their next trip.I pity the employers who need youngsters to be loyal and remain in jobs like we used to.My family all have strong work ethics.
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    4:26pm
    Could we petition the governor general to sack the government? People elected Abbott in good faith believing his pledges, he didn't keep his side of the bargain by betraying Australians, trust has been lost between the people and the government, you cannot govern in those conditions! After all we are supposed to live in a democracy! Let's start a petition and get millions of signatures.
    carmencita
    16th May 2014
    9:33pm
    MPs do not care about the rest of the population except for their campaign contributors(financial). Why would they, when they are not affected (financially) in the least. They have public funded credit cards, huge salary and allowances and perks. I have always doubted the coalition because their party policies only favour businesses, none of social services. Though according to Hockey businesses provide employment, but Hockey failed to mention that without the public spending money, businesses would not exist.
    Aussiefrog
    16th May 2014
    11:05pm
    Restore Australia is the answer, look not further, neither labor and liberal have the answer!
    Abby
    17th May 2014
    10:01am
    Yes there is another way

    With the attack on seniors by the present government by their "sick tax", the attack on seniors card holders, the promise to lower future rises in the age pension, the stealth in getting the states to force a rise in the GST, the tax on the fuel for our cars which in turn will cause a rise in the cost of our groceries etc, it is time to look for an a party that is in step with older Australians.

    Seniors have to group together to stop this assault on the aged population.
    The Seniors Party has no connection to the left or the right side of politics. It is led by one of the YLC members in Henry.
    It costs zilch , zero to join. Yes it is free.
    The best way to show your disgust at the treatment of our senior citizens is to join the Seniors Party.
    You can do this by going to http://www.seniorsparty.org/mship.html and filling out the form on that page.

    http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/8388
    Jen
    17th May 2014
    10:08am
    Thought some might get a laugh from this, something I read on another forum:

    "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me." In reality, we would rather have the experience of the sticks and stones, which are fleeting, rather than the words that are harmful for a lifetime.

    Unless you're on a suicide mission, no one aspires to dying young. But in our culture, old age is a sentence worse than death.

    And the attitude that the 'ageing population is a burden to society' mystifies me.

    When babies are an even greater burden.

    You can't leave them alone. They cling to you 24/7 until a certain age. They sap up every bit of your extra income and energy and patience and tolerance. Mothers who couldn't wait to have one suddenly find that life with them isn't at all like in the movies and the magazines. And the strain of a new baby in the household can also cause stress in the relationship between the mother and father. And far too often, break that relationship up.

    And when they become teenagers they ignore you. Are grumpy. May, at times, treat you with disdain. Demand the keys to the car. Demand to be given privileges they're not mature enough to handle. And expect to have the privilege of receiving a higher education at the expense of . . . who? Their world is still as much about me! me! me! as when they were babies.

    Throughout the life of these children, parents worry and stress and unconditionally love their children. But the process of bringing them up ages them. And as someone told me many years ago, "you never know what real heartache is until you have children."

    And in truth, many parents would confess to their children being a burden as much as a treasure.

    And when the parents of these children age, these parents suddenly become 'a burden to society'. After all they've given to society!

    But who out there flies the flag that children are 'a burden'? To their parents? Or to society'?

    Words are harmful and are a stigma and stereotype a generation of people who have paid a lifetime of taxes to the government, paid for the upbringing of their children, as well as given their all to their family, their employer, their community and their friends and neighbours.

    And instead of being revered for all they've given and given up. They're trashed for 'being a burden to society'.

    It's time to burn that flag of 'the ageing population is a burden to society'. Where would the younger generations be without the older generations? If children are left to bring themselves up, society would be nothing more than the world of 'Lord Of The Flies'.

    Unless we aspire to dying young, we want to reach old age. And should be able to enjoy it, either working or doing nothing, without the chattering classes ruining it.
    wally
    17th May 2014
    2:52pm
    Hi Mitzi. MY comment on Bill Shorten and the Carbon Tax of 819 pm on 15/5 was responded to by you at 154 pm an the 16th. In reply, I do not think that the pension increase to help me deal with increases in my electricity bill are nothing more than being a band aid to plaster over knife wounds in my back. Why? The "Big Polluters" compensate themselves for the tax impost by charging more for the prodcucts they sell. The butchers and greengrocers pay more for the electricity they use to keep their freezers and refrigerators working and likewise pass on the increase in cost to their customers So how does the increase in pension compensate me for the inflationary effect of the carbon Tax and its "trickle down" of increased cost to me, the consumer. Or did that escape your attention? Next, and I hope it is not true, your comment about how I should be content with my pension increase should make me happy , would suggest that you have an "I'm All Right Jack" mentality in that if everything is fine for us pensioners, then bugger everyone else. Yet Mr. Shorten claims to have the best interests of the working poor families (as long as they pay union dues) c,lose to his heart. Do the working families get compensated for the effects of the Carbon Tax? What about my children, nephews, nieces and their families? The ones in the work force that will be paying increased taxes to support ever increasing numbers of people of pensionable age? Have you gone into denial like Mr. Shorten has and say that there is no debt crisis and that God (or the Chinese bankers) will provide for this paradise for the "True Believers"?
    MITZY
    18th May 2014
    12:28am
    WALLY: Re your comment 15/5 and mine 16/5 - I made a short comment (three lines in fact) re your comment on Bill Shorten & the Carbon Tax i.e. don't you receive the energy supplement with your pension etc. ? Did you mix me up with somebody else as I did not say that you should be content with your pension increase as I don't even know if you are a pensioner or a senior of substance commenting. You have the prerogative to say what you think, as I do, but your suggestion that I have an I'm all right Jack mentality is far off mark. You may not have read other comments I've made over time, but if you look after a husband with MS for 24 years without a burden to the taxpayer until the last three years of his disabilities, when we extinguished our funds, I would not say I had an all right jack mentality. I worked from age 16 to 55 and would have worked longer but for my husband's illness and only had superannuation from my last employment when it became compulsory starting of at 3%. My pay-out was $8,500. I finished employment at age 55, my eligibility for the aged pension was 62.1/2 my husband the same, both born 1941. Now I'm 73. I've done my bit and more.

    As a single pensioner my fortnightly pension is $766 my pension supplement is $62.90 and this supplement covers pharmaceutical allowance, utilities allowance GST supplement and telephone allowance (all of which used to be paid separately four times a year previously) and finally $13.90 clean energy supplement - total pension = $842.90 per fortnight.

    If you are married, couples combined receive $1,154,80 + 94.80 + 21.0 = $1,270.60 and of course you may only get part of the above depending on your assets and or other income.
    So, the energy supplement I was referring to was to compensate not just pensioners but 19 other categories of recipients on income support such as carers disabilities family tax benefit recipients etc. Human Services lists all 19 on their website that are affected by the 2014 budget. Incidentally this clean energy supplement after the 30th June 2014 payment will be frozen at $13.90. So our fearless leader even though he said the carbon price will be abolished and we can keep the supplement, he omitted to say it was frozen. It currently increases slightly based on the energy costs.

    People like me and my late husband who have worked continuously in the workforce since leaving school and have paid taxes on salaries earned have provided benefits for the pensioners and others in need who had done so before us and on it goes. We may not have earned as much as today's workers, but it was relevant what we earned at the time we earned it. Not raising a family ourselves we were permanently employed, PAYE no tax evasive trusts, fringe benefits, etc. etc. and never had an I'm all right jack mentality, never said what do I get for my taxes etc. The families of yesteryear received a family allowance but nothing else. Nothing like the families today receiving Howard's tax benefits A & B and back to school bonuses as well as maternity leave payments etc.

    Every which way we turn these days somebody is trying to outwit us in some way.
    We are brainwashed about all these mounting numbers of people eligible for the pension and the fact that eligibility for the pension is already increasing from 65 to 67 and now to 70 if passed, so as indicated in the SMH recently, pensioners eligibility in future years will decrease. And, since Keating brought compulsory superannuation to fruition and it has increased in participation rates from 3% originally to around I think 12% but was meant to go to 15% but has stalled, there should be a lot more workers in future well provided for in retirement.

    No I have not gone into denial and have little In common with Mr. Shorten but there are a lot of journalists and others saying we do not have a debt crisis but the debt has to be managed. If you are in debt crisis you don't spend billions on fighter jets that still have technical problems that have not been addressed and give billions to the Reserve Bank which they didn't even ask for.
    Blossom
    17th May 2014
    8:08pm
    No cuts in health, what a joke!!
    Maybe they should convert some of their empty buildings to Aged Care Facilities, or respite/rehabilitation care for those needing help before returning home regardless of age group. There are young and middle aged people who have had surgery who are not fit enough to travel home if they live a long distance from the hospital, especially those living alone or needing further medical treatment not readily available nearby. e.g. in a SA Country Hospital that has been converted to Aged Care, they day we called to visit an elderly lady severely disabled with Rheumatic Arthritis, there was a girl about 10 years old staying there who had massive arm surgery which had to checked and re-dressed every day. She lived on a farm approx 2 hours from the nearest medical facility except Flying Doctor Service which is for emergencies not every day treatment. The roads in the area were very rough and sometimes closed in wet weather.
    Gee Whiz
    18th May 2014
    8:11am
    All around the world governments are dumbing down their populations. In every country you look at politicians, big business and bankers are stuffing their own pockets with taxpayers cash while rigging the economy as an excuse to introduce higher and higher taxes and charges.

    New laws, and policies to control the people are being introduced at an unprecedented rate to control everything the citizens do or say.

    In Queensland the Newman government successfully removed the independence of the Crime and Misconduct Commission and put it under the control of the Premiers office. Political corruption in Queensland has always been bad, now it will thrive and the pollies will stuff more cash into their pockets.

    It will make the findings of the Fitzgerald inquiry into political corruption look like a Kindergarten picnic. And its going on everywhere even down to local government level.

    Politicians are wearing political corruption as a badge of honor. They are proud of the fact they can con the very people who elected them to power.

    And that's what government is about today. Its not about the welfare of the country or the people. Its about them ,and how much they can rort the system for. Most politicians go into parliament as middle class ordinary people but come out after only a few terms nearly millionaires. How can that be?

    Politicians manipulate a country's economy to justify increasing taxes and reducing benefits while at the same time ensuring they receive unjustified pay increases and extra untaxed benefits.

    Is this the work of the One World Government cartel? Perhaps. You only have to look at Australia's disappearing manufacturing base, and company takeovers to get an idea about that.

    And all of this has happened under the dark shadow of the LNP and the ALP. What does that tell you about the need for change?
    Aussiefrog
    18th May 2014
    9:00am
    Gee Whiz, you are so right, this is the agenda of globalisation. And nothing will change untill the people rise, but then again the governements have prepared for the battle by disarming they citizens worldwide
    Gee Whiz
    18th May 2014
    4:50pm
    Want to find out how bad corruption is under the Newman government. Go to the site of Rob Messenger and click on the Alan Jones interview with an ordinary Queensland citizen. Be prepared to be shocked.
    Jen
    18th May 2014
    7:39pm
    I listened to it the other day Gee Whiz and was stunned. It should be compulsory listening for all Queensland voters. It doesn't matter which way you vote, no Queenslander wants to live in a State where this sort of corruption thrives.

    http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/43916#.U3h_ufmSxy3
    The Other Judith
    19th May 2014
    6:51pm
    Has anyone noticed this budget sting?

    http://www.smh.com.au/money/budgets-secret-sting-for-pensioners-and-matureage-workers-20140516-zreh5.html

    No more concessions for power, telephone or council rates.
    Sallad
    14th Jun 2014
    12:12pm
    This interesting email is doing the rounds:
    Since the politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up that the Age of Entitlements is over
    The author of the email is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
    At least 20 if you can. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message.
    This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to stop somewhere Proposals to make politicians and bureaucrats shoulder their share of the weight now that the Age of Entitlement is over
    1. Scrap political pensions. Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do.
    2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in Centrelink.
    A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office. Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians. Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people.
    3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue. This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.
    4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
    5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people. i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds or accept ordinary Medicare.
    6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the Australian people.
    7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are void effective 31/12/14.
    The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians, that burden was thrust upon them. Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves.
    Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career.
    The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will only take three or so days for most Australians to receive the message. Don't you think it's time?
    THIS IS HOW YOU FIX Parliament and help bring fairness back into this country!
    If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.
    Kato
    27th Jul 2014
    1:03pm
    Lisa Owen began by asking him how much trouble the Australian economy was in given his drastic measures in the recent Budget.

    Joe Hockey: The Australian economy is not in trouble. We’ve had 23 years of consecutive economic growth.


    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Interview-Joe-Hockey/tabid/1348/articleID/354234/Default.aspx#ixzz38dLvSp61


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