18th Apr 2017

Tony Abbott publishes his five-point plan for re-election

Tony Abbott publishes his five-point plan for re-election
Leon Della Bosca

Tony Abbott has conducted what he calls ‘the ultimate pub test’, having ‘hundreds’ of conversations with Australians who say that they’re “sick of politicians”.

Mr Abbott has also published a five-point plan for the Government’s re-election.

And he’s warned the Government that Bill Shorten “could soon be in the Lodge”.

In response to Tony Abbott’s five-point plan, Labor MP Andrew Leigh thinks the former PM is laying the foundations for another Liberal leadership change.



“Tony Abbott’s clearly fighting a rear guard action to the return to the prime ministership,” said Mr Leigh. “When you talk to backbenchers, what’s evident there is that all they're looking for is a clear challenger to coalesce around.”

However, in Mr Abbott’s own words: “The best way to keep Shorten out is not to sack an elected prime minister yet again but to ensure that the Government does its job better.”

Mr Abbott recently conducted what he called "’the ultimate pub test’ during a charity bike ride in which he visited pubs and cafés, listening to middle Australia about their thoughts on the current state of political affairs.

“Between the riders, the sponsors, and the passers-by, I reckon I spent the best part of eight days listening to a pretty good sample of middle Australia. And people aren’t happy,” he writes. “There’s the usual grizzling about poor roads, not enough services, and out-of-touch government … But there’s an added dimension of frustration with everyone in politics: with governments that don’t deliver, with oppositions that oppose just to score political points, and with minor parties that are all grievance and no solution,” said Mr Abbott.

“My ‘take’ from hundreds of conversations on the road is that people are sick of politicians who are more talk than action and are especially sick of politicians who change their policies to suit their political convenience.”

Tony’s take on Australia’s attitude towards politicians doesn’t seem to concern Trade Minister Steve Ciobo.

“I’ve been in politics more than 15 years and I’ve never in that 15 years known the Australian public to love politicians,” said Mr Ciobo. “I think it’s stating the obvious to say that Australians don’t like politicians.”

Tony Abbott has called on the Coalition to consider his five point plan to reclaim public trust, saying that things are “going to go badly” unless it takes urgent action.

“This budget is better than any time to get on with it,” he said.

Mr Abbott’s five-point plan:

1. Reform the Senate so we have government, not gridlock.

2. Stop subsidising new wind power to take pressure off power prices.

3. De-fund nanny state bureaucracies that persecute journalists but do nothing about Muslim extremists.

4. Protect existing employees, but make it easier for future generations to get work.

5. Don’t apologise for Australia – celebrate it.

 

Opinion: Mr Abbott may have hit the nail on the head

Mr Abbott may be accused of fighting a rear guard action to reclaim the top job, but his ‘research’ has certainly revealed the underlying attitude of Australians towards our political climate.

Many Australians are tired of the never-ending too-ing and fro-ing of politicians, with ceaseless backflips and broken promises.

Today, the Government may say that the family home is exempt from the Age Pension assets test, but that won’t give older Australians much solace, as they understand such ‘assurances’ could be open for debate within a year.

Such is the state of Government.

Australians want a strong leader. They want someone who is prepared to make the tough calls. Someone who’ll stand up for the rights of the working class and the poor, so they too can live a life of dignity.

But all we see is a Government seemingly intent on looking after the needs of business owners, property developers, multi-national corporations and the wealthy.

Australians need to send a message to Parliament. If the people truly are sick of politicians and if the power is indeed in the hands of the people, it should be the people who win the next election. And whichever party ascends the throne should be the one that ensures such an end.

And say what you will about Mr Abbott, but at least he's talking and listening to the people.

What do you think of Tony Abbott’s five-point plan? Do you think he’s being sincere in his actions? Or is he laying the groundwork for another coup? Do you think the Government should focus on the needs of the average Australian rather than those of the wealthy? Are you sick of politicians?

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BundyGil
18th Apr 2017
10:36am
The problem with Tony Abbott is, that while I agree about politicians on the nose, the rest of his manifesto is off in la la land, which is why he's no longer prime minister
He's talking to people, but, as always, he has a tin ear. He only hears what he wants to hear, not what people are telling him.
The points of his manifesto are of minimal importance to your average person, only important to him.
MICK
18th Apr 2017
3:49pm
Pretty well on the money.
If Abbott's only important goal is to keep Shorten out of office then there is the ball game. If you intend to rule for your rich funding contributors and run a class warfare agenda then that is what you have to do.
The current government is well and truly on the nose and heading into Opposition. It has more than doubled the national debt, wants to destroy renewables for its mates in the coal industry and is giving rich Australians money the nation does not have and which rich people have absolutely no need of other than increasing their wealth even further.
We need an election and Abbott may well bring it on sooner rather than later. That is about the only good thing this despicable man could ever do.
Tom Tank
19th Apr 2017
11:03am
On the money as well MICK
George
19th Apr 2017
9:05pm
Absolutely right, BundyGil. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, Tony Abbott has never understood the difference between what he heard and what he listened i.e. what he actually takes on board. He has no credibility after breaking so many promises and attacking the less well-off along with Hockey in their infamous budget of 2014, as well as attacking pensioners after promising "no change to pensions".

With Shorten & gang completely irrelevant, the problem remains - who do pensioners vote for???
niemakawa
19th Apr 2017
10:01pm
@George and what is so wrong with being born "with a silver spoon in his mouth". I agree Labor/Greens are not worthy of a vote, nor the Liberals under the leadership of the Globalist PM, Mr Turnbull. There are parties that put Australia's interests and the Australian people at the fore of their policies. I find most Australians get restless as soon as an election is over and start complaining from day one about the incumbent Government. Let a Government complete its term, 3 years is not a long time to wait. As they say patience is a virtue.
mogo51
18th Apr 2017
10:51am
Whilst Mr. ABbott may suddenly care what people think of politicians, it did not sto p him being an arrogant, ill informed and self centred one himself when Pm and before.
He needs to shut up and accept neither the people nor his collegues want him.
Politicians never care what the people want as seen by their ongoing indifference to the messages being sent to them each election by way of increased minor party and independent voting growth.
trood
18th Apr 2017
12:06pm
spot on mogo51, Abbott needs to disappear off the face of the earth
MICK
18th Apr 2017
4:05pm
And this is way forward. Abbott stated he wanted to "reform" the senate. That means he wants to rig the senate so that Independents and Minor Parties find it even harder to get elected than they now do. Both sides of politics are actively seeking to curtail the rights of Australians to elect essentially unfunded candidates from being elected and that reeks of Turkey where the reigning dictator has succeeded in gaining even more power.
We need many more Independents in our parliament as that is the only way to have real government. The sham we have is entirely due to the big parties being unaccountable or bribing Independents. Increase the number of Independents and those things disappear with the result that good legislation is supported and crooked legislation is scuttled. That is how proper government should be working...........
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
4:45pm
@MICK. The result in Turkey was determined by the vote of the people. The usual protagonists have come out saying it was rigged one way or another. Yet few people know, understand or are ignorant of the fact the The EU is fast becoming a dictatorship, one which has never been seen before in the history of mankind. The non-elected despots in Brussels HO fawning over themselves making threats to member countries of the European Union if they do not toe the line. Merkel is at the forefront of undermining the wishes of the people of Europe and I consider her to be a serious threat to peace in Western Europe.
MICK
19th Apr 2017
1:33am
The 'people' you speak of are the same kind of people who voted in the current bad bad government in our own country. People are easily fooled into voting for exactly what is bad for them and the nation. That would have to be clear from the past 4 years.
The issue in Turkey is that it is reported that average citizens have voted for less freedom. Remembering what Erdogan did not so long ago you'd have to view his intentions with a lot of scepticism.
Brussels? I do not recall Brussels using the army to entrench itself. The British left so maybe the European experiment will self destruct. We'll all have to wait and see about that one.
Tom Tank
19th Apr 2017
11:02am
niemakawa you seem to be unaware that the EU does have a Parliament and each member State has members elected by that State to the Parliament. Nigel Farage of UKIP was one of the UK's elected members.
You appear to be channelling Briebart news again which is suspect to say the least.
The EU is not perfect and certainly has some issues confronting it but it has achieved some major advances and stopped the wars in Europe that had been around since Adam was a boy.
Just because Trump doesn't like Merkel, well he wouldn't try it on with her would he, that doesn't mean to say she is a threat to peace.
MICK
19th Apr 2017
3:30pm
I think that niemakawa is referring to the EU imposing some pretty tough conditions on member states like immigration. That is why the Brits voted for out. Other states can do the same and it is only debt keeping them in.
niemakawa
19th Apr 2017
4:02pm
@Tom Tank. There is going to be the war of all wars in Europe in the not too distant future. The tension is building and the people of Europe will rise up against the likes of Merkel who along with the EU commission are building up an army, through their intentional open, door policy to quell any dissent. 8,300 illegals arrived in Italy from Libya over the Easter weekend. All young men hardly a woman or child to be seen. The NGO's and Government ships escorted them to the shores of Italy when they should have towed them back to Libya. There are approximately 50 million muslims in Western Europe of whom around 80% are receiving welfare as their only means of support. Workshy most of them. Merkel keeps saying that Germany needs workers. Well there are so many unemployed young Europeans yet she does not make any attempt to encourage them to go to Germany. The EU ( Brussels) have threatened Hungary and Poland that if they do not take these illegals then their will be "repercussions" The EU Commission have used the word "force" on numerous occasions . Orban the Hungarian PM and The Polish PM Szydlo have stated time and time again that they will not accept them. Poland has taken many "refugees" from The Ukraine in recent times ( more than 1 million) yet the EU turn a blind eye to this fact, wrong colour more than likely. I fully support the policy of Hungary and Poland, why would they want to ruin their countries as most in Western Europe have done through the insane policy of mass immigration of a culture that is totally alien to them. Believe what you will but Merkel is a serious threat to peace in Europe with her push to bring more "immigrants" to Europe.
Not Senile Yet!
18th Apr 2017
10:55am
He was sacked by his Party for a Reason...he wouldn't listen to what he was Told!!!
It may have been his Party telling him not the People....but he did not listen either!
We the people are Sick of Mr Backbench Abbott trying to sabbotage for his own sake!
Not that there is much to Sabotage....Hal-al Malcolm Turdball seems to be doing a pretty good job all on his own!
Predicting more Independants and less Party Puppets as more & More people are Pissed off by the Big 2 Corrupt Self Feeding Pigs at the Tax Trough!
grounded
18th Apr 2017
11:03am
Tony Abbott - One of Australia's better Prime Ministers in the past 100 years...but then again, being the top of his class....that wouldn't serve the majority agenda of lefty voters. They need to mindlessly drag him down to their level....We can't have anyone a bit smarter, and sharper, than the collective comrades......
trood
18th Apr 2017
12:09pm
this whinger was an embarrassment in Australia and on the world stage, worst PM ever, a total dickhead
sooty
18th Apr 2017
12:44pm
You poor deluded person. Apart from "stop the boats" what did this poor excuse for a prime minister achieve
ghoti
18th Apr 2017
12:52pm
I'm with trood. Abbott "one of Australia's better Prime Ministers"?? Crikey! He was an embarrassment. His self-proclaimed greatest achievement as PM? He axed the (carbon) tax. As a result, emissions, which had been falling, have been rising ever since, making it impossible for Australia to reach the emissions target it signed up for. Fortunately he's now an irrelevant embarrassment.
Brissiegirl
18th Apr 2017
12:55pm
Abbott showed some flaws but I always felt his hand was prematurely forced when Turnbull defied his own party's climate change policy and Abbott felt someone had to challenge Turnbull on that basis. We all know that Turnbull is philosophically a rich man enjoying his money whilst trying to project a green, left-wing image. I don't believe Abbott was ready to be PM and a couple more years as a minister would have polished his credentials for the job. When Abbott rolled Turnbull for the leadership, he placed confidence in Turnbull by allocating him a portfolio (Communications - which the poncing Turnbull proceeded to elegantly stuff up). Turnbull subsequently demonstrated his fear of a contest or giving Abbott any credit for his public service by refusing to allocate the highly experienced Abbott a portfolio. That single act of transparent arrogance will be a memorable highlight of Turnbull's less than stellar political career, and a big part of the LNP's next election epitaph. I would prefer a "real man" as leader and the second time around I think a chastised Abbott would be the right man for the job.
Batara
18th Apr 2017
12:57pm
John Howard and Billy McMahon were bad, but Sir Pository was worst ever PM. That is saying something - to rate him worse than Howard.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:36pm
It is a toss up who was our worse PM between Rudd or Gillard.
trood
18th Apr 2017
2:45pm
judging my his current behaviour Abbott will never be the right man for the job again
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
4:37pm
A very good summary. @OG Neither Rudd nor Gillard had the qualifications to be PM and I would put Rudd marginally in front of Gillard, who must go down as the worst PM to date.
Rosret
19th Apr 2017
8:12am
Actually John Howard was so much better. Tony bought his Catholic view point into the party and changed the structure and direction of the Liberal Party. At the moment he is trouble making.
He didn't listen to the people when he was Prime Minister and this sort of behaviour does not serve him or the party well.
The Tony Abbott- Julia Gillard combo was the worst Australian political arena I have ever seen in my life time.
inextratime
18th Apr 2017
11:13am
La la land ? And Bill and Malcolm are on the money ? I think I know who is in la la land and its not Tony Abbott. While you have a PM that sways with the breeze whenever there is opposition to his proposals, an opposition that objects to everything because it can, a senate that is split between ego and self interest, inertia is the end result and right now that's what we've got. Have the people had enough ? I wonder why.
John from Perth
18th Apr 2017
11:27am
So none of the hundreds of people Tony talked to mentioned Politicians thieving Perks?
Just shows. Ask the right questions to get the answer you want.
hmmm
18th Apr 2017
11:28am
No body as yet been able to tell me what we need politician for, I've been asking a long time, kinda say's it all.
alpal
18th Apr 2017
11:30am
NOT VOTING FOR ANY OF THEM NEXT TIME.

They are all in LA LA LAND.

VOTING FOR "THE MAN ON THE MOON".
Bonny
21st Apr 2017
7:08am
That doesn't surprise me as those OAPs who think it is an entitlement not welfare are themselves in La La Land.
stephenl
18th Apr 2017
11:33am
Abbott's hatred of the PM is driving this latest tirade. He has had his turn, stuffed it up and now is intent on destabilising the government prior to the next election. Abbott should do us all a favour and bow out of politics.
Travelling Man
18th Apr 2017
11:36am
One would have to go back to Billy McMahon to find a more ineffectual leader than Malcom Turnbull. He is completely out of touch with the electorate. There must be a change of leadership otherwise it seems inevitable that the Labor Party will win the next election. Many people will next vote for One Nation not necessarily because they agree with its policies but to register their disdain for the current Government. Peter Dutton with his strong views on immigration and the economy would be an ideal replacement. As well bumbling Scott Morrison must go. His recent push to finance First Home Buyer's Housing by using their superannuation as a deposit would inevitably increase the cost of housing along with inadequate savings for a decent retirement. Well done Tony Abbott for stirring the pot!
Idontforget
18th Apr 2017
11:46am
How could any sane thinking person, whatever side of politics they may be from, take exception to Abbot's five point plan except those that are filled with hate.

Look and listen at what he has said, not concentrate on the person who has said it.
Batara
18th Apr 2017
1:02pm
Mate, that is a five point plan to take Australia back to the Dark Ages. Trash human rights, destroy democracy by giving the ruling class wannabes control of the Senate. Holy cow. How could any thinking person commend that Neanderthal plan?
ghoti
18th Apr 2017
1:18pm
I have objections, Idontforget, to Abbott's five-point plan:

1. Reform the Senate so we have government, not gridlock.

The people voted for the Senate they wanted, partly to stop the Government pushing through bad legislation. In the Westminster system it's a house of review: it looks at legislation and if it doesn't approve of it sends it back. If it hadn't been for the Senate, Abbott's and Hockey's 2014 horror budget would now be in place.

2. Stop subsidising new wind power to take pressure off power prices.

Yep, instead of looking to a greener, cleaner, cheaper future, let's give the poor old coal miners and polluting privatised power stations a break. Why not tax the multinational companies properly and use some of the proceeds to subsidise power prices, especially for pensioners?

3. De-fund nanny state bureaucracies that persecute journalists but do nothing about Muslim extremists.

This means, simply, "Abolish the Human Rights Commission". Classic IPA policy. Rich white men have most of the rights and privileges in our society - let's keep it that way.

4. Protect existing employees, but make it easier for future generations to get work.

Yeah, well, of course, everyone wants that, but how does the Government achieve it? What did PM Abbott do in this regard?

5. Don’t apologise for Australia – celebrate it.

Even Abbott's lefty opponents generally celebrate Australia. But they want it to be fairer, greener, more caring, less discriminatory, more concerned about protecting the environment, especially the Reef …

I reckon I'm a fairly "sane thinking person", not filled with hate, but as you can see I DO take exception to Abbott's five-point plan.
Curious
18th Apr 2017
11:59am
I am sure there are good and talented politicians in our system. However, whether we have the best and well oiled systems to select an all rounded politician as our leader, truly representing all of us is another matter. Politicians loyal to their party or fraction within the party first, depending on their ideology. Because of this attitude and belief, they really can't govern all of us at the same level. We all end up as winners or losers, majority of us are losers because it is the politicians' belief that the big businesses and international corporations run our economy. The first year university economics student would have told us that is not true because our GNP consists of consumption by households, government expenditure, and business investment before import and export - trading accounts. All levels of government need to provide an environment conducive to a robust economic management of these factors for a balanced healthy economy. Somehow our politicians just look for a short term solution of three years instead a long term strategy for our nation. We need a long term vision for our nation and a direction for our place in this trouble world.
Franky
18th Apr 2017
11:59am
I don't trust Tony Abbott. He says what is self evident and we like to hear it. The sad truth is that our politics has become a 'boy's club' ruling for the elite only. It has become an irrelevant side show for me and I'm tuning out. No true democracy is possible without public referendums on issues that are brought up by the citizens (like Switzerland has) and a ban on funding political parties by big business. Only then would the politicians truly representing us, the people.
musicveg
18th Apr 2017
8:05pm
Yes we need true democracy, one that is not ruled by big business like coal, oil and gas.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
8:26pm
@musiveg you mean like socialism????????????/
Boof
18th Apr 2017
12:13pm
If he had of said that B4 he was dumped. He might still be there.
Boof
18th Apr 2017
12:13pm
If he had of said that B4 he was dumped. He might still be there.
Boof
18th Apr 2017
12:20pm
Seriously. We have to all get on the same page & do away with, EITHER, STATE GOVERNMENTS OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
How do we go about this. They're not going to vote themselves out of a job.
Neville Wran said in the seventies. STATE GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED. H'm. How?
looney
18th Apr 2017
12:24pm
Every time Tony Abbot travelled over seas we would cringe in our seat, the man is a clown in a big circus they call the Liberal Party.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
8:54pm
He was a great ambassador for Australia.
Jen50
18th Apr 2017
12:29pm
Of course we're tired of politicians, and he's one of them. I wonder if he realises that?
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
12:30pm
BundyGil is quite right. The Mad Monk is right off target. Everything he says other than pollies are on the nose, is the reverse of what people want. We want renewable energy. We want negative gearing and capital gain tax discounts to be grandfathered off. We want health and education to be improved. We want polluters to pay for their pollution and we don't want Adani and their ilk to completely destroy our ecosystem starting with the Great Barrier Reef. Oh and don't give me the jobs issue. Adani will provide a few jobs at first before automation takes over while most of the wealth will flow offshore.
Moriac
18th Apr 2017
12:34pm
Interesting that the second most important thing he needs to do is stop subsidizing wind power. Clearly he has the common person at mind who will look to this as the bogey man that caused their pockets to be empty not the privatization of power supplies and providers which has resulted in energy price hikes. so his comment fits like push polling. Give the people a suggestion to their woes not increase in pensions or services. its a stupid distraction from the things that concern people. Great politics for the pub, but not correct and hardly the big picture other than to remind us of our concerns that he is in bed with the fossil fuel suppliers.
justsay'n
18th Apr 2017
12:41pm
I not fooled, I like many other retirees weather self funded, part Pension or full Pensioners are still reeling from the effects of the Abbott/Hockey Budget when Abbott was PM.
I vividly recall our generation being called "Leaners who were living a Life of Entitlement".
When in fact it is the Politicians themselves who are doing just that. I will not be voting for either a Labor or Liberal Government. The only reason Abbott wants to reform the Senate is to take away voters powers of electing the smaller parties or independents who will question their actions.
The final aim for both major parties is to have no accountabity. They are all arrogant and creating a world of wealth for themselves fully funded by the Tax Payer. Both major parties don't really care if they are respected or what the voters think. They are like pigs in a trough. They will continue to gobble and grab everything they can for themselves by whatever underhanded means they can for as long as they can. The multi national companies, banks/ insurance company's seem
happy enough to oblige so they can also have no accountability. Corruption starts at the top level and works its way down through the ranks so that no one will question the actions of the person above them.
I believe our only hope is for a complete change our political system. Sack them
all, appoint an Administrator bring in people with the skills to balance the economy and start building a form of Government that reflects the will of Australians and the benefit of Australia as a whole.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:26pm
Well said and I agree there are too many "Leaners who were living a Life of Entitlement" in our society today. Read a report earlier where 60% of the population don't pay any tax. We certainly are a welfare state now. I also hear that they are getting rid of 457 visas so those on welfare might have to finally lift a finger and help our nation out instead of sitting on their posteriors all day.
Batara
18th Apr 2017
3:05pm
Where did you read 60% don't pay tax Geezer? Wouldn't have been in one of Rupert's Rags would it? Sounds like fake news to me. Of course if they are talking about big companies it could've right.
Sen.Cit.84
18th Apr 2017
3:14pm
Yes justsay'n;
I agree with you. I've mentioned a few times on this forum, the need for a complete change to our Government System. Maybe something like the Switzerland Government
Rainey
20th Apr 2017
8:08am
Not sure about the 60% figure, but Old Geezer is right (for once) that a lot of folk don't pay tax - or at least don't pay their fair share. The wealthy dodge it by every means available. Large corporates and multi-nationals aren't paying. The poor old working class battler is carrying the country and subsidizing parties for the rich and privileged. No wonder there's a ''welfare mentality'' developing. Folk are sick to death of working their guts out to have it all taken away and gifted to the better off. The problem, Old Geezer, is that fools like you want to make it worse. You support taking everything the battler worked for and saved as soon as he dares to suggest putting his feet up at the end of a long and hard working life.

If we want a healthy economy, we have to reward hard work and responsible living, maintain incentives to do what's good for the nation, and develop the Japanese approach to tax - that it's a privilege and an honour to contribute to the health, well-being and efficiency of the society that supports you, and an utter disgrace to in any way try to reduce your contribution. This idea that politicians peddle that tax minimization is laudable is destroying society.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
1:08pm
Rainey families with a taxable income of $60,000 a year pay tax but more is received back in welfare payments.
Theo1943
18th Apr 2017
1:06pm
1. Reform the gov't so that the PM governs by decree, I'm sure it will work for Turkey.
2. Stop subsidising coal mines, especially coal mines owned by foreigners. Why would we subsidise Indian coal users?
3. Stop politicians sueing journalists for calling them what they are.
4. Protect future employees from greedy employers who care not about their living standards or their safety.
5. Embrace and include all Australians, old and new, into our society.
6. Please advise Tony to retire on his $200K+ for his 15 years of work.
Rae
19th Apr 2017
8:13am
We are subsidising Chinese companies power bills through high energy costs here. We are also subsidising Port fees and shipping.Overseas mining interests and food production for foreign nations are subsidised as well.

Employees are on the way back to those days of lining up and fighting each other for a pittance rate on a daily hire.
Many foreign owned businesses import their own slave labour anyway. Robb has signed a lot of control away to foreign corporations.

Seems like the lessons of the depressions of 1890 and 1930, WW1 and WW11 have been forgotten.

There was a sweet spot, for workers, around 1975 but that is long gone now. Expecting the Corporations to share productivity gains with their employees was a step too far it seems and so it ceased way back then.

Not only is the government in trouble with failing revenue but so are workers struggling with huge debts and it will get worse as rates rise.

The LNP/IPA have won and worker's have lost. The only unions are corruptions with agendas and the Fair Work Commission has been infiltrated by the far right.

I'm not expecting a solution any time soon. These historical episodes of ideology have a habit of collapsing,unexpectedly for most people.

The lack of real education in Australia is appalling.

The only solution is to keep investing and taking profits as the ride slows down. When it stops all hell is going to break loose.
Puglet
18th Apr 2017
1:10pm
I do not believe a word Abbott says and his comment that he has spoken to hundreds of Australians is codswallop. He'd sell Oz to North Korea if he thought he could be PM again. Abbott does what his 'mentors' such as Cardinal Pell and Peta Credlin tell him to do - the old, sick, and vulnerable are not part of Their grand plan. We'll always be 'leaners' for Abbott and his mates.
Theo1943
18th Apr 2017
5:55pm
You forgot his first mentor, B A Santamaria.
mudGecko
18th Apr 2017
1:20pm
Mr Abbott is totally correct in all points. He has summarised, in item 5, the remedy to the "Sorry sickness" and general lack of common sense of all major parties.

Therefore he will be subjected to the usual abuse from the loony left, hiding from reality in their unnecessary bureaucracies, and from the professional media haters, notably those in Their ABC. Once again the inner-city trendies of the media will vilify him personally and decry anything that does not fit the feel-good fantasy of their limited ecosystem. Be prepared for this.

I wish sensible, life-experienced realists would start to counter the all-pervading propaganda of these self-anointed "elites" by injecting some commonsense thinking into the young through social media, as the airwaves' access has long been denied to normal folk.
Pen
18th Apr 2017
1:33pm
Exactly BundyGill. The last thing he is going to do is 1) keep his promises - remember; 2) look after the working class, his 4th point in his manifesto is a direct hit at wages and conditions and so on. 3) I often think 'thank God for the Senate' when this or Abbott's govt tries to get legislation up that takes money from the vulnerable, education and health to give it to the rich instead.
Pen
18th Apr 2017
1:33pm
Exactly BundyGill. The last thing he is going to do is 1) keep his promises - remember; 2) look after the working class, his 4th point in his manifesto is a direct hit at wages and conditions and so on. 3) I often think 'thank God for the Senate' when this or Abbott's govt tries to get legislation up that takes money from the vulnerable, education and health to give it to the rich instead.
Idontforget
18th Apr 2017
1:41pm
Why is it that some people think it necessary to put their comments in twice?
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:35pm
They hit the post button twice and then don't check that their comment is in only once.
Jtee
18th Apr 2017
5:06pm
Slow internet response so that they think nothing has been sent. It has happened to me.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
9:48pm
You need to update to the NBN and all your slow internet problems will be yesterday's. Awesome stuff this NBN.
Eddy
18th Apr 2017
1:39pm
Point One, reform the senate, a bit hypocritical coming from someone whose party, in 1875, used the senate to bring down the Whitlam government. Why, so the major parties can govern unimpeded by the states house. I, know Queensland got rid of their upper house but has it made Queensland a better place politically.
Point two, stop subsidising wind power (but not solar) to bring down power prices (it upsets our coal mining financial donors). His party was at the vanguard of selling off public assets, we all know what happened to power prices and look at our banking system when 'they' sold off the CBA, it became a money pit for the rich and overseas investors.
Defund 'nanny state bureaucracies', that will be a lot of good depending on which ones he wants 'out of the way'. We are a nanny state in many respects, speed limits on roads, gun control, not allowed to drive when drunk, restrictions on where you can smoke tobacco, restrictions on pharmaceuticals, must use an electrician or plumber for certain works, must get building permits to cut down an annoying tree, not allowed to kill all fauna (like crocodiles, sharks et al) whenever you feel the need etc etc.
Protect employees, make it easier for the young to get work, what does he suggest, bring back Workchoices.
Don't apologise for Australia, maybe we have a lot to apologise for! Treatment of our indigenous citizens, neglect of our elderly, a failing education system, disregard for people with life threatening diseases etc etc.
Eddy
18th Apr 2017
1:40pm
Correction line 2, should be 1975.
old frt
18th Apr 2017
2:04pm
Well said MudGecko.
My 13 year old grand daughter is already being brainwashed with leftist, idealist, never ending money tree thinking at school.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
3:35pm
And you haven't been brainwashed? At least she's getting an education.
Brissiegirl
18th Apr 2017
4:01pm
Fortunately the general public is waking up to the brainwashing occurring in schools for decades. MudGheko's reference to the ABC is important too because it's a taxpayer-funded massive ALP/Green campaign office. In response to Pauline Hanson's policy of significantly reducing ABC funding, the ABC said, "To cut funding because you disagree politically, is dangerous." That's a public admission that the ABC engages in political opinion rather than doing what it is supposed to do, i.e. report the news, broadcast drama, interview personalities screen movies etc.. It is not supposed to have an over-arching political bias. I find it unconscionable that the wider public is forced to fund an admitted politically biased media outlet with an obvious agenda. Private enterprise can say or do what they like from earned finance, but the ABC has strayed so far from its charter it needs a full inquiry and a total administrative and on-air clean-out.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
7:00pm
At least the NSW Government has come to its sense and abandoned the "safe schools programme". The scheme was an arbiter of forcing children to accept "unnatural" behaviour without the consent of the parents.
old frt
18th Apr 2017
2:04pm
Well said MudGecko.
My 13 year old grand daughter is already being brainwashed with leftist, idealist, never ending money tree thinking at school.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:23pm
That has been going on now for as long as I can remember. I used to teach people how to undo all this stuff so that they could succeed in life.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
3:36pm
And you haven't been brainwashed? At least she's getting an education.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
7:05pm
At least the NSW Government has abandoned the "safe schools programme" An arbiter of promoting and installing unnatural behaviour in children, without the formal consent of the parents.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
2:10pm
Liberals and Greens lost my support with the changes to the Pensioner Assets Test.
Labour aren't supporting pensioners.
Where do we go from here?
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:19pm
Those changes to the asset test were well overdue and thanks to the LNP for this good start in fixing the OAP and directing the money where it is needed not just nice to have.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
2:27pm
OG The changes to Pensioner Assets Test were stolen entitlements.

We're also entitled to honest politicians but that won't happen with a Liberal government.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:34pm
NO the OAP is welfare and not an entitlement so anyone getting the OAP and not needing it is stealing from those who do need it.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
3:00pm
The OAP is what I'm entitled to as a PAYG taxpayer of 48 years not to have it stolen by a Liberal Green backroom deal.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
3:30pm
Nope if I don't get it after 50 odd years of paying taxes then it is nothing but welfare.
Jtee
18th Apr 2017
5:20pm
Changes to the assets test without "grandfathering" has upset our retirement plans put into practice based on financial advice 16 years ago. Now we are too old to return to the workforce to pick up the losses.

Voted for the Liberal party all of our lives - now no more! Our family can see how those changes have affected our retirement plans and politicians wonder why they have lost voters.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
5:33pm
One Nation/ ALA .
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:03pm
My retirement plans were wrecked the day I decided that I would not need welfare to at for my retirement. That was many decades ago.

Change happens so get used to it and plan for it. I do.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:06pm
One nation will implode before next election and the ALA have been around since the dawning of time and getting nowhere.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
9:28pm
Give Tony a cabinet position to shut him up he's not helping your cause.
mIKER
18th Apr 2017
2:14pm
Abbott lied, broke promises, made stupid decisions, was unrelentingly negative, misused travel expenses ( that he repaid) and he wonders why we don't trust politicians.He has more front than Myers, a complete b/s artist.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:20pm
Gosh don't tell me their are fairies at the bottom of the garden and honest pollies do exist. Tell me one person you know who never lies?
Janus
18th Apr 2017
2:18pm
All good for the man who lied constantly and openly - no changes to pensions etc. He is making a push, and there are simpletons out there who want a "strong" leader. Turkey, Zimbabwe, Russia might have typical examples. Is that what we really need?

There is no problem with a "difficult" Senate - it means that stupid policies don't get through, but good ones do, and have done. It means our politicians have negotiate - too hard for Abbott. Oh yeah, a difficult Senate is what Australians voted in, remember?

I feel sorry for Abbott - he clearly has some mental issues, and has trouble seeing that "Get out" means "stay out". The majority simply don't want him back.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:22pm
The big problem with today's senate is that they think they can run the country no the elected government. They certainly need their egos trimmed.
Crowcrag
18th Apr 2017
2:28pm
When you read all these comments, it is obvious that many people are just using Abbott's words as ignition for their own political peeves. There are the usual anti pinko greeny leftie
rants, and the usual tiresome anti pollie cliches dished out mantra like.
We have a government system which has served this nation pretty well through war and peace. It has survived many changes to society and its trends and values. We are better off than many places in the world- just consider what has just occurred in Turkey.
Our political system can be improved. The challenge is for us as voters is to carefully think through how we, as individuals with one vote each, can do this. When all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done!
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
2:37pm
The problem with most OAPs is that they think they are entitled to welfare but are clearly not. Welfare is for those who have no others means of support not for those that take it because it is just nice to have.
Rae
19th Apr 2017
9:00am
Plenty are taking tax concessions though Old Geezer and they are unaffordable. I paid full tax and then saved and invested and have done well from the practice. You don't need a tax concession to save for retirement when profits are galloping along.

Those that do not need tax concessions to force them to save should not be having them because they are nice.

No tax in pension phase should be quite enough for anyone.
disillusioned
18th Apr 2017
2:40pm
Abbott was the worst of the lying politicians! With his "No cuts to . . . ." before the election versus his "slash & burn" cuts to welfare, age pensions, etc. afterwards, who could ever trust him again? One, two, three. . NOT ME! And Hockey got rewarded for his lousy Budget of 2015 by being sent off to a cushy job in the US! I don't want Abbott back in - I want all the LNPs OUT! They couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag, and they're fast selling off the country to the highest bidder!!
looney
18th Apr 2017
3:21pm
O.G . what is your point of view on Parliamentary pensions.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
3:32pm
Parliamentary pensions are part of a salary package that was part of the terms and conditions under which they took up their place in parliament. No different than any other salary package. It is an entitlement not welfare.
Captain
18th Apr 2017
3:47pm
From past responses, OG believes our politicians are not paid enough and that their pensions are part of their employment conditions and cannot be changed.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
3:52pm
How would you like to take on a job only to find you have no annual or sick leave which were part of your employment contract when you took the job?
Oldman Roo
18th Apr 2017
4:05pm
O. G. , You always forget that most workers will retire with a lesser income than what is needed to live without a Pension . Or shall we call it welfare to please the charlatans you are representing here ? . Additionally most workers were the very " cheap Labor " the rich needed to increase their wealth .
So your excuse for the Parliamentary pensions is not soundly based , especially in view that they are overpaid already , in many cases very wealthy and see nothing wrong in bleeding the poor into poverty .
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
4:10pm
So what is your point Oldman Roo?
Oldman Roo
18th Apr 2017
4:36pm
O. G. I know you refuse to accept the point I make , but I will not give up and tell you in plain English : The ordinary worker has just as much right to a Pension than a Politician , except the latter have the right to keep shifting the goal posts .
And the average low income recipient will shift the goal posts come the next election .
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
4:47pm
Wrong Oldman Roo the ordinary worker if they have no other means of support will get welfare in the form of an OAP. It is not an entitlement and they don't automatically get it. The difference is a parliamentary pension is a condition of employment whereas the OAP is merely to stop old folks living on the streets with no means of support.

All the plies are doing is fixing the system so that more of those who need it get it and those who don't don't get it. I look forward to more changes in the May budget.

As I have said many times I don't vote simply because the outcome has already been decided so there is not point.
Oldman Roo
18th Apr 2017
5:24pm
Q. G. It is just what I was expecting from you , but I have run out of patience wasting my time .
I only need to follow the LNP propaganda to know your flawed ideology .
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
5:39pm
OG it is an entitlement it's the LNP/GREENS WHO moved the goal posts after promising not to on the eve of the last election.
There is plenty of welfare revenue if government would collect the $26 billion pa in lost PRRT from LNG, google tax, family trust treatments for avoiding tax, modify negative gearing. Politicians are not worth the pensions they're get paid and Tony Abbott is the least worthy.
Rae
19th Apr 2017
9:06am
Public Servants had salary packages and a part of that was a superannuation scheme where no tax concessions applied to the worker's contributions. The arrangement was a discount on the taxes paid to and the failure to gain the 9% guarantee from the employer. That was the % of non concessional amount in the final allocated pension discounted by Centrelink.

The government reneged on that arrangement so I'm assuming their salary entitlements in retirement can also be looked at as they may also be no longer affordable in an economy of failing revenues.
Eddy
19th Apr 2017
10:56am
So politicians are entitled to their pensions as it formed part of their salary package. Okay. Similarly with public servants and military. Okay. What about the social contract between the people and the government, as the custodian of public monies, that when certain circumstances occur, the government will provide for you. These circumstances include physical and mental disability, unemployment, child protection and old age. Are these not entitlements also? These were part of the deal when we worked hard to build this nation, paid our taxes and, in some instances, put ourselves in extreme peril.
Rainey
20th Apr 2017
8:27am
Spot on, Eddy. And only the arrogant over-privileged pigs will disagree. Like many here, I'm disgusted with people like OG who lack respect for the people whose UNDERPAID HARD WORK made this nation what it is today and enabled the over-privileged pig (POLITICIANS INCLUDED) to be over-privileged.

The social contract should be honoured, and until it is, people will continue to be disgusted with the fraud being perpetrated on the people by a stinking government, over-paid inept politicians who aren't worth a tenth of their salary, let alone the obscene benefits and pensions, and the arrogant, nasty folk like Bonny and OG who continually bitch about a ''welfare mentality'' yet expect those born less privileged tolerate a lifetime of exploitation and unfairness and then die the moment they cease to be usable fodder for the rich.
Oldman Roo
18th Apr 2017
3:26pm
Regrettably Abbott can not get over that he was deposed and I can not get over that in his heydays the Liberals led by Abbott in Canberra were like Tweedledum and Tweedledee , and nothing has changed .
They have turned into a Government that has completely lost my confidence and that of many other people and I do not think they will serve another term in Government for many years to come . Their policies to further feather the nest of the wealthy at the expense of the less fortunate in life will end up with the "chickens coming home to roost ".
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
3:33pm
It would not surprise me to see Abbott re-elected PM and they win the next election easily.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
3:39pm
I'd be surprised, but for one thing. This country is full of people like you. I would love to see you become PM, Old Geezer. We'd deserve you and I would feel really good about myself.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
3:46pm
I wouldn't become PM for one reason. It is such lousy pay and conditions.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
4:32pm
I have to agree with you on that point. He was only "dumped" in 2015 because the UN wanted Mr Turnbull , the Globalist in power. The UN knew that Mr Abbott would oppose and veto the UN insistence on climate change (aka Agenda 21) proposals that were the key reason for the UN convention held in Paris in November 2015. The UN also interfered in the Canadian elections in September 2015, which saw Trudeau become PM of that country. Turnbull and Trudeau puppets and whipping boys of the UN run by the global elite. Mr Abbott did not fail as PM but was pushed out by the UN.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
5:54pm
Oh and look how terrible that was! Trudeau as PM - what a shame he is so admired throughout the world for being such a decent human being. We must dispose of him ASAP.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:55pm
@Paulodapotter. Admired by the liberals/leftists/snowflakes but he cares not about his country Canada.

https://www.therebel.media/trudeau_ignores_canada_in_favour_of_globalist_glory_at_united_nations
Ladybug
18th Apr 2017
3:37pm
Yes, I am SICK of politicians, and Tony Abbot is the most disgusting politician of all.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
3:43pm
Now, now, he's not disgusting, just intellectually challenged. I actually feel sorry for him, exposing himself endlessly. He's certainly a glutton for punishment. I wouldn't want to go down in history with his reputation, just like poor ol' Johnny who'll be forever remembered as our first war criminal.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
3:54pm
I agree with the 5 points made by Mr Abbott. He is the only politician that I think is trustworthy to be PM of Australia. I just wish he wasn't a member of the Liberal Party. Libs/Lab/Greens as a group, all Globalists and Australia comes a distant second in their minds. Australia's future looks bleak under the leadership of any of the aforementioned political parties.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
5:52pm
No doubt you'd be a supporter of Pauline? Your espoused political perspectives seem to lie in her quarter.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:00pm
@Paulodapotter. Yes you are correct in your assumption. I also support ALA. Both of these parties believe in Australia first, which is expected of all political parties. Libs/Lab/Greens are globalist parties who answer to the UN , a dysfunctional organisation that is no better than a dictatorship. Australia if it wants to survive as a sovereign nation with a future to prosper must leave the UN or reduce its involvement through wasteful funding. Mr Abbot should align himself with One Nation and / or ALA such a move would see him installed as the PM again but under a different banner.
Hoss
18th Apr 2017
3:57pm
I wonder how many people asked him about his daily travelling allowance he claims on these rides?
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
5:55pm
His fuel costs would be low, like his intellectual capability.
looney
18th Apr 2017
4:12pm
Thank you O.G.you have just confirmed my opinion of you has been correct.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
4:16pm
That's good now all I have to do is put your confirmation in doubt again.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
5:56pm
I doubt that.
nena
18th Apr 2017
4:13pm
Intelligent and well educated however, ignorant and self centred. Wish he goes on a holiday to a "never come-back island"
Suzie
18th Apr 2017
5:01pm
Hey let's not forget he gave Prince Phillip a medal !!!!! Bet that was excitement for royalty .Tony Abbott is a born and bred wanker , only worrying about himself who he keeps telling us he can do a better job than anyone as prime minister .GOD help the country
Suzie
18th Apr 2017
5:01pm
Hey let's not forget he gave Prince Phillip a medal !!!!! Bet that was excitement for royalty .Tony Abbott is a born and bred wanker , only worrying about himself who he keeps telling us he can do a better job than anyone as prime minister .GOD help the country
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
5:08pm
@Suzie. Australia as a country is lost, the wave of globalism that has been entrenched into our society is unlikely to be reversed. GOD obviously missed that and provided no help to stave of the madness of Globalism. All I say is GOD bless Mr Abbott the rightful leader of this Nation.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
5:23pm
@Suzie and don't forget the suppository of knowledge, the raw onion, shirtfronting Putin, wasn't he also behind locking up Pauline Hanson?
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
5:58pm
Intelligence has little to do with intellectual capability. When your brain is so compartmentalised with little communication between those compartments, it's hard to make sensible decision.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:02pm
@Paulodapotter, maybe you should seek help!!
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:09pm
@Paulodapotter that's a fancy way of saying "you have lost your marbles".
Priscilla
18th Apr 2017
5:43pm
Tony Abbott had one short term as leader before he was shafted by Malcolm Turnbull, who in turn is always making himself out to be 'trustworthy''. The only thing you can really believe in is that politicians are disloyal, untrustworthy, and have no idea whatsoever what is needed in the real world! Today they say one thing and tomorrow they change their minds. They are very good at looking after their mates and people in high places.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:02pm
They call that being 'compromised'. That's what happens to all political leaders except dictators. We haven't twigged to that yet. Politically, Australians are very slow learners. You have to accept that politicians will never live up to expectations. It's a very good starting point on which people can hang up their hat. Unfortunately, most of us hang up our brains along with our hat.
Kosmo
18th Apr 2017
6:00pm
Sick of them. They got no idea, on how to communicate with people. They think of them selves, we don't count. They don't care about us!
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:03pm
See my previous comment Kosmo. It may explain why they are the way they are.
Kosmo
18th Apr 2017
6:00pm
Sick of them. They got no idea, on how to communicate with people. They think of them selves, we don't count. They don't care about us!
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:01pm
So how will you deal with that?
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:04pm
Civil war niemakawa???
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:04pm
The only person that really cares about you is you. The rest are here today and gone tomorrow.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:05pm
That's why humans invented God, OG.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:06pm
@Paulodapotter, yes it will come to that.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:07pm
I thought you'd go for that :)
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:07pm
GOD Isn't that OG with a D in front of it. I wonder what the D stands for?
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:08pm
@Paulodapotter, at last you are being sensible.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:09pm
Da?
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:19pm
@OG. I always have done and put myself first before anything else. Call it selfish if you like, but the survival of the fittest is an inbuilt strategy and mechanism that is a basic part of being human. Anyone who believes differently are only fooling themselves.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
6:22pm
You must be a very happy man, niemakawa.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
6:35pm
I agree niemakawa. If you don't look after yourself no one else will.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
6:43pm
@Paulodapotter, you can be happy too, just try.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
8:36pm
Ha, ha, every time you write something you really do make me feel better about myself.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
8:47pm
@Paulodapotter. I am so glad that I have been able to steer you in the right direction. Thank you for the vote of confidence.
TREBOR
18th Apr 2017
6:38pm
Tony doesn't get it - he fell flat on every issue and in every way when he was in the top spot... I'm amazed his own electorate still tolerate him.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
8:37pm
Look at his opposition.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
8:16pm
Breaking news. British PM Theresa May calls snap general election to be held on June 8. Good will get rid of Labour there once and for all and full steam ahead with Brexit. The sooner the better.
Paulodapotter
18th Apr 2017
8:38pm
I'm feeling better and better :)
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
9:05pm
@Paulodapotter, yes of course our Motherland at its best.
heemskerk99
18th Apr 2017
9:16pm
reading the comments in these columns such as the likes of suzie," Abbot is a wanker", it shows the failure of her parents, her teachers but more likely her personal attitude to install some civility in her comments, looney's comments, never heard or seen a truer description of a person describing him/herself and as for hoss, they did not have to claim, we were only too happy to put up these politicians regardless if they were liberal or labor politicians, who gave their time to listen to the real people, opposed to those so called intellectual, one eyed contributors to these columns, these politicians were at the same time collecting money for a good cause, they did not sit on their fat asses as most of the commentators to these columns such as paulodapooper, what does one expect, after all he acknowledged to be intellectual challenged, his comments say's it all and as we have not enough bugs here is ladybug's inane comment, "abbot is disgusting", no explanation why, then what does one expect of a bug, get out the spray, love the comments of oldman roo, stating he is opposed for employers making a quid yet at the same time stating they won't employ people, would, no, could you employ a person when you are making a loss? read the comments, have a laugh, shake your head at the stupidity of most of the comments and think what is the world coming to when voters the likes of those in these columns go to the polls, all I can say,God help AUSTRALIA,
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
9:47pm
@heemskerk99 I didn't get a mention. I'm ( and presumably 330000 other pensioners) are disappointed with Tony Abbott after he promised on the eve of the last election not to change Pensions and here we are now with the most significant changes in the past decade.
Keeping ones promise is civility.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
9:53pm
I thought positive changes were good changes. Those who needed welfare got a bit more from those who didn't need it. The party is over and reality has finally been restored. Great first move by the LNP and now let's see them make some more changes in the May budget as it's the best opportunity they will have until after the next election.
Mad as hell
18th Apr 2017
10:12pm
OG sounds like spin from a shill.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
10:27pm
@OG I enjoy reading your comments. You are strong on commitment to your values and never waiver. That shows style and a sense of well-being. I will not always agree with you especially on the aged pension. You believe it is welfare whereby I believe it is not only an entitlement but a right of every person regardless of income/assets. I distrust all the major parties which have lost all passion for this once great country. They prefer to toes the line of the globalists the UN being the HQ of their breed. They have an insatiable appetite for international kudos and have little interest in Australia as a nation but merely a pawn in global affairs. We need a party that puts the needs of this country and its people at the forefront of policies, which alas Libs/Lab/Greens have failed miserably. I will give support to parties of the calibre of One Nation and ALA who believe in our country.
Old Geezer
18th Apr 2017
11:09pm
Unfortunately I know too many people who would virtually sell their first born to collect the OAP. The McMansions and other things these people do to get it is mind boggling. It is just so wrong that these people are allowed to get away with the things they do. Sure I could reorganise my affairs too and qualify for the OAP but what good is a house worth zillions to be with all that cleaning and maintenance? I also have more than enough for my needs and to take more would be just greed. I could also hide my money in all sorts of corporate entities where I have nothing but control everything. Not too sure if I'd have any change left from the OAP after paying all the fees and accounting costs etc.

The OAP as it is now is welfare and should only be given to those who have no other means of support. I agree if should be an entitlement and a right of every person regardless of income/assets.

I have an extended family and there isn't one of them not on welfare of some sort mostly OAP and DSP. My own family are the ones paying the taxes to support them. Is that really fair in that my family works hard and the extended family just laughs all the way back from the bank? Some of the things they tell me has been wanting to cover my ears as I just don't want to know as it's just annoys me and I think they are nothing but thieves.
Oldman Roo
19th Apr 2017
12:06am
heemskerk 99 , I think you have also got problems digesting what is in these columns . I have not made the comment you are trying to embarrass me with , but I am not even surprised , knowing how low the modern day Liberals will stoop to fool the unwary . Get yourself a decent outlook on life and practice what you are preaching .
Rainey
20th Apr 2017
8:19am
Old Geezer, your comment ''I thought positive changes were good changes. Those who needed welfare got a bit more from those who didn't need it.' shows you can't read and interpret. Those who needed welfare DID NOT GET ONE CENT MORE. The ''more'' was given to those who have hundreds of thousands in assets, but not quite as much as those who were plunged into future hardship by idiots who have no concept of what represents ''enough'' and certainly no understanding of the fact that needs vary based on age, health and family circumstances. Folk over 80 might not NEED more a pension with $800,000 in assets, but people aged 65 with disabilities or difficult family circumstances may well need assistance.

If the savings had gone to the needy, I'd have been less critical of a stupid move that rewards spending and punishes responsible living, but NOT ONE LOUSY CENT WENT TO THE GENUINELY HARD UP.

Go and read what the policy actually did before you make an idiot of yourself yet again with your ill-informed crap.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
1:13pm
Rainey more is now available to those who need it and the problem is that their numbers are increasing so individually they may have not got anything but in total there was more available to pay for more of them. That's right if more people were self sufficient in old age then those who need it would be paid more.
jackyd
18th Apr 2017
10:28pm
To all of Tony's tormentors, ask yourselves when you last rode for charity, served your local fire brigade, kept in touch with your life saving skills while serving in your surf life saving club, to have the servitude to converse with so many people and all their issues, and never to insist on 3 set's of selfies with anybody?
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
10:32pm
He show dedication to the job. Liberals do not deserve him, they are disrespectful to Mr Abbott for his staunch commitment to finish the job and not pander to the poodles.
jackyd
18th Apr 2017
10:40pm
Yes and experience is everything and same for Tony...a little longer a little wiser.
He is just too experienced and best of luck to the country if the job goes his way again
heemskerk99
18th Apr 2017
11:11pm
mad as hell, you are asking me why I did not mention you, just read your own statements and it might show you very clearly the absence of any grey matter behind your forehead, by the way that is called a brain, so sadly missing by you and thus you would never realise how imbecile your comments are, then again as they say being brainless has got one advantage, nobody takes any notice so that is why I did not mention you, I got better things to do with my time.
niemakawa
18th Apr 2017
11:54pm
Mr Turnbull has made changes to the 457 visa (rort) by cancelling a number of professions from the list. Ms Hanson of One Nation is taking credit , quite rightly, for this as it was pressure from her party that forced Turnbull to introduce this change. Thank you Ms Hanson for your dedication and commitment to the Australian people. Keep up the good work, many Australians are behind you.
Not Senile Yet!
19th Apr 2017
1:35am
The LNP Sold everything off to Private Investors so they no longet have to spend money investing in ...Power...Gas...Rail....Buses...Roads and then sub-contacted everything that they couldn't sell off to Private Enterprise as well.!
Saved them a fortune to spend on buying outdated subs...planes...defence Equipment that the USA has labelled Past it's Use ny date!
It also helped finance troops deployed to help the Yanks!
You think they would buy some Drones instead of Planes! And the cost of the subs is only a down payment...they need to be manned...and maintained...not to mention refuelled forever?
Meanwhile behind closed doors they ate selling off Agricultural land to China as fast and silently as possible!
People like Old Geezer fail to see that the LNP back Euthenasia Reform not to be humane...but because the more that take that option the better
for Budget management....one less OAP to support!
If they had their way...at age 75/80....you get a Pink death Pill and bye bye! Probably not a bad idea for Old Geezer....everyone here is sick & tired of his repitition of LNP Holier than anyone POV.
Not normally into labelling and name calling....but for the Ol Geezer.....everu @#/#@#$ Swear word known to man instantly rises as ideal adjectives to show how agonizingly annoying the Old woman is!
Then there is the complete Arrogance of NOT knowing nor understanding that the Senate is supposed to STOP a government from being a Dictatorship! That is was designed that way to STOP the Abbotts of the world implementing the exact Opposite of his electoral promises!
If the Old Geezer isn't being paid by the LNP to ghost their POV....then I suggest he send them a copy of his online comments and attaches an Invoice for services rendered!
They would probably pay it!
Whatever his response is to my post....I hope it gives him the shits...just like it does everyone else!
Bonny
19th Apr 2017
7:53am
Maybe that pink death pill is a good idea at the age 75/80 for anyone on welfare including OAP. You would then know how many years you have left and could allocate your money accordingly. From OGs posts he sounds to be well over 80.

I agree with euthenasis and the right to die at a time of one's choosing with dignity. I could even arrange my own funeral which would be just awesome.

I doubt that OG has anything to do with the LNP at all as I certainly don't and what a lot of what he says is what fully self funded retirees think of those on the OAP who are double dipping after arranging their affairs to do so. This is simply not fair and takes money away that could be better spent. It was good to see that the LNP had the courage tomtake a goodnfirst step and change the asset test.

I very much doubt that what you say will give OG the shits more like he will come back with some amusing comment that will give you the shits instead. He is way too old and wise for that. Also he is at an age where money is not a concern so wouldn't bot h er sending an invoice but might send of letter of his ideas instead.
Old Geezer
19th Apr 2017
11:04am
Ha ha. I agree that pink death pill should be given to al those on welfare including OAP. No excuse for running out of money as you will know how long it will last. That said I'm glad I didn't invest in nursing homes as they will no longer be so many needed as well.

Nope not paid by LNP and have never voted for them either.
Rainey
20th Apr 2017
8:12am
True Feudalistic/communist mentality. When you can't exploit the less advantaged further, kill them off. What vile creatures you are Bonny and OG. Disgustingly inhuman!
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
1:15pm
So Rainey you support people being a burden on society and in many cases a burden to themselves. I can think of nothing worse than spending the day in a day bed in a nursing home unable to do anything for myself. That is not living at all.
Crowcrag
19th Apr 2017
5:38am
To Mick. ' You can fool some of thepeople all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.' Lincoln, I think. Yes, we have a flawed system- but it is one that muddles along better than any alternative. You only have to examine the variety of opinions expressed on this site to realise that our world is full of the good, the bad, and the downright dumb! But, could this site even exist in North
Korea, China, Russia, and places like Myanmar, the Philippines, and maybe Turkey very soon?
We have changed our governments quite regularly in recent years. It appears that even Abbott has heard what people are voicing, even though it has been trumpeted in the media for a long time now.
GrayComputing
19th Apr 2017
5:50am
Gilbert and Sullivan in their mocking political satirical song say that politicians take out their brain and leave them in a jar when they enter parliament.
Still true today.
No matter what the local electorate is promised in parliament the elected form into brainless herds and are governed by unelected back room party boys/thugs the real power and king makers.
There is no real democracy
Gee Whiz
19th Apr 2017
6:56am
Politicians couldn't give two hoots about what the ordinary people do or how they survive.

They are so far removed from reality that the only time they surface from their grand and opulent life style is when there s talk of an election.

This is not their fault of course; it's ours. Why? Because we let them get away with it.

Come election day the LNP and the ALP zombies will shuffle to the polling booths and vote the same way they have always done; without rational thought.

Then after the election they will bitch and complain about what the government is doing to them then do exactly the same thing at the next election.

Masochist voters are the downfall of this country; not the politicians.
Strummer
19th Apr 2017
8:24am
I think Tony Abbott was a wonderful PM and should be returned to the post immediately, and I think the moon is made of cream cheese.
Ted Wards
19th Apr 2017
3:43pm
Rats no like button
Ted Wards
19th Apr 2017
3:43pm
Rats no like button
Bonny
21st Apr 2017
7:17am
Ask Gromet the moon is made of green cheese.
Curious
19th Apr 2017
9:58am
I think, we should send all these comments to Tony Abbott and see whether he passes the pub test.

If I were a politician, who I don't want to be, after reading you guys" comments, I would look for another job. To sum up what was said, our political systems, current and past politicians and our voters fail our country, which we love so much. Yet, so many refugees and migrants risk their lives to come to our country, which was called a land of milk and honey once.

Yes, we are not perfect but we are still very lucky. If we can improve, we should definitely try to do that. Luckily, we can voice our concerns and hopefully we can do something about it.
Linda
19th Apr 2017
10:53am
I am mostly tired of Tony Abbott.
Ted Wards
19th Apr 2017
3:42pm
Tony is spot on, we are sick to death of politicians, including him. Not one of them has an original idea or cares beyond what they can gain from being in a party.
niemakawa
19th Apr 2017
4:04pm
But you will still vote for them, will you not? There are alternatives.
Justsane
20th Apr 2017
11:24am
Old Geezer, Stop saying the Age Pension is not an entitlement. Maybe you are not entitled to it because you have too many assets/income. But anybody who is on the pension is entitled to it. Do you think that the Government would pay money to people who weren't entitled to it? Dream on! Just because in Australia, unlike in most other countries, the pension has an income & assets test, as well as an age test, for entitlement doesn't stop it from being an entitlement for those who fulfill these criteria.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
1:06pm
Nope OAP is welfare and is paid to those who have no other means of support. It is not an entitlement at all.

So you need to stop thinking that it is something that it isn't.
Mad as hell
20th Apr 2017
1:16pm
The OAP is an ENTITLEMENT, if you meet the criteria you are Entitled to the OAP.
When the LIBERALS promise not to change the criteria and then do that is STEALING ENTITLEMENTS from Old Age Pensioners.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
4:44pm
Rubbish they can't steal something that does not exist. If you have too many assets then you are not entitled to welfare (OAP) as you have the means to support yourself. It is as simple as that.
niemakawa
20th Apr 2017
4:58pm
OG. Entitled everyone . It's not my fault that so many bludgers young and old have evolved in our society at the behest of successive governments. Why not stop all forms of welfare, maybe that will be best for the nation as a whole. My assets belong to me and no-one else, Government or the useless in our society. I am entitled to a pension more than those that have given little if nothing to society. I do not care about these people.
Mad as hell
20th Apr 2017
6:29pm
" I want to give people this absolute assurance. No cuts to Education, no cuts to Health no changes to pensions, no changes to the GST and no cuts to ABC or SBS."
Tony Abbot the night before the 2013 Federal Election (6/9/13).
OG What part don't you understand?
niemakawa
20th Apr 2017
6:39pm
@Mad as hell. What changes to GST as far as I know it is 10%, but unfortunately does not include food. ABC and SBS not needed as far as I am concerned. Health well too many people do not take care of their own health (self-inflicted). Make everyone pay the medicare levy pensioners also. Education, too much money spent on this, standards have been falling, again self-inflicted, and continue to do so. Too many encouraged to go to university when they simply do not have the ability to learn at this level. There should be no HECS especially for older people over 50. Let them pay from their own pocket. The cream always rises to the top and that's how it should be.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
10:45pm
Mad as Hell the bit I don't understand is how these people rightly lost their welfare or part of it got it in the first place. Then again I know those who lobbied for it and the worse bit that really needs changing is that only those on the full OAP should get the concessions. Hopefully that will be fixed in the May budget.
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
10:48pm
The thing that really bugs me is that our young people have to repay their HECS debts whereas those seniors taking up places at unis never have to pay their HECS debts as they will never earn enough income to pay them. They should be a debt on their estate.
niemakawa
20th Apr 2017
10:56pm
@OG. No, everyone should receive a basic pension. Concessions cards then means tested.
Eve
20th Apr 2017
1:28pm
Tony Abbott is bored. He is simply having a crisis of relevance, so the best he can hope to accomplish is keep the Liberal Party right wing. As for protecting existing employees? I would point to the closure of much of the country's manufacturing during his short tenure as PM, and the enormous growth in casual and part-time employment. No he's not responsible for all of it, but really! Protecting employees? Tony Abbott? He tried to protect the rights of people like Alan Jones and Ray Hadley to abuse people, but protect employees? The man who brought us Workchoices?
Old Geezer
20th Apr 2017
4:46pm
Of course he is bored and I would be too in Parliament. I'd want to get things going and get things done.

Work choices was a great idea and it such a pity we didn't see it come in.
Rae
21st Apr 2017
10:36am
Yes I agree. It now appears the contract labour are stealing the clients and setting up better businesses for themselves. Nothing works as well as the unexpected consequences especially when the exploiters get taken down a peg or two.
Should be more of it.
niemakawa
21st Apr 2017
4:17pm
"3. De-fund nanny state bureaucracies that persecute journalists but do nothing about Muslim extremists."

Another attack by a muslim in Paris. Remember no such thing as a moderate muslim. Our own Government and the "major" parties are complicit in what happened in Paris and wherever these attacks by muslims occur. Islam a religion what hogwash. Anyone that it is are bordering on insanity.
niemakawa
21st Apr 2017
4:19pm
" Anyone that believes that is bordering on insanity. " One Nation and ALA know the truth.
niemakawa
21st Apr 2017
6:51pm
Source: Daily Telegraph - UK

“Australia's prime minister has offered his country's prayers for the police officers who were shot in Paris and urged Australians in Europe to be wary.
Speaking to Australia's Seven Network, Malcolm Turnbull urged Australian travellers to check for security warnings on the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade website.
He said: "Everywhere - but especially in Europe at the moment - pay close attention to your surroundings."
Mr Turnbull said that regional security will be among the topics he will discuss with US vice president Mike Pence, who will arrive in Sydney on Friday.”

Having read this I has a dream it goes like this.

Mr Turnbull should have reassured the Australian people that his Government will protect them from the savagery of muslims. He should make a pronouncement that no more muslims will be allowed to settle in Australia. Added by a declaration that all muslims currently living will be interned and undergo strict security checks and commit them to our values, our laws, our customs. Furthermore he should announce that Islam is not a religion but a Political ideology which is a serious threat to our security and safety. Therefore all mosques in this country will be closed and demolished and the preaching of Islam no longer is allowed and therefore banned in Australia.

I was suddenly woken and soon realised that it was only a dream. Our PM being a staunch globalist and an Islamic sympathiser, as are all globalists, would do no such thing. The Australian people are irrelevant to his cause, which is to adopt Islamic policies for us all.

Vive Marine Le Pen one of a few politicians who tells the truth and is not afraid to speak out for fear of PC. France has one final chance to bring civility, security and safety back to the country. The French people will of course decide their own fate, but I hope they see this great opportunity that stands before them and seize it without hesitation.


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