Older Aussies may not be exempt from proposed welfare changes

Older welfare recipients could soon be subject to drug tests and lose access to cash under planned welfare changes.

Older Aussies won’t be exempt from proposed welfare changes

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s call for a national rollout of the cashless debit card will not only affect younger Australians, but also older Australians struggling to find employment in the years before qualifying for the Age Pension. They will also be caught up in the cashless card scheme and the proposed drug tests.

Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) policy director Jacqueline Phillips says the cashless debit card is unnecessary, expensive, stigmatising and impractical.

“It costs thousands per person to administer and many people feel humiliated when they have to pay with the card, especially in small towns,” she said in an AAP report.

“This can compound the sense of shame many people feel about being unemployed when they are doing all they can to find paid work in today’s competitive job market with one job available for every eight people looking.”

Senior federal Labor frontbencher Tony Burke is also concerned that the cashless debit card will make life harder for older Australians because it forces them away from small businesses that might offer cheaper prices than bigger outlets, according to SBS, and Labor has labelled the reintroduction of the bill as “mean and nasty”.

“Let me tell you a really quick local example as to how this cashless debit card creates real problems,” said Mr Burke.

“We already know all the challenges about the money provided through Newstart not being enough for people to be able to make ends meet.

“But the cashless debit card says you can only go to those [stores] who’ve signed up. So what does it mean? It means the Government will be forcing people away from small businesses to buy products at a higher price, to make it harder for people to make ends meet.”

Shadow spokeswoman for families and social services Linda Burney said the rollout would adversely affect the number of people over 55 who received Newstart, pointing out that that number had increased by more than 45 per cent over a five-year period under the Coalition.

“Older Australians experience particular difficulty in re-entering the workforce due to structural barriers and age discrimination,” she said.

Mr Burke said the plan would humiliate those people even further through drug testing.

“Walking into the office, having to urinate into a cup, having pieces of their hair plucked out, having to spit into a jar, and all of this for what?” he said.

“(Mr Morrison) thinks it’s a clever political battle with Labor. It won’t create a job, It humiliates people. It’s not a sensible policy.”

Do you think it’s fair that you would be subjected to a drug test and made part of the cashless debit card scheme?

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    gold miner
    9th Sep 2019
    9:59am
    The cashless debit card is degrading for any age group regardless of whether people use drugs or not. Administering the problem and conducting drug tests is expensive and futile especially as health services to treat people who have an addiction problem are just not available to most. In the long run it would be cheaper to raise unemployment benefits and provide more public service jobs in services such as Centrelink and welfare. The whole idea is a means by the Government to distract attention from our economy which is becoming increasingly woeful.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    10:21am
    It may be but many abuse the purpose of welfare and leave their families and themselves in a poverty they should not be in.
    Bear in mind only 80% of payments are restricted to the essentials of life, which the card was always intended for. The rest can be spent as the user chooses.
    I'm over the 'embarrassment' nonsense as its taxpayer money. Free money. Its not a gift which a caring society gives to those who need it.

    The second part to this whole saga is that we are seeing this government come after retirees yet again. Because politicians are on a different gravy train they don't much care what they do to retirees who refuse to group together and fight the current malicious and destitute government. They deserve what they have gotten and its not over yet. The next big one is pushing the family home into the assets test. Despite claiming that's not on the agenda we keep seeing regular bits from Grattan and other government funded outlets to know its coming.

    If you're not happy with what is happening gold miner then don't vote for the bastards again. You call!
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2019
    10:41am
    Most people on welfare are now proud to be on welfare and a little degrading might just get them off welfare.
    Paddington
    9th Sep 2019
    10:54am
    VCBB, that does not sound very caring. Why would people enjoy being on welfare? It is not a huge amount. It is not even a liveable amount. You cannot rent, eat, live on the amount!
    Imagine someone who is ill on $250 per week. How can they exist on that amount unless they receive support from family who are then contributing as well? You don’t know what this feels like until you or a loved one is in this position.
    clarkey
    9th Sep 2019
    11:06am
    VeryCaringBigBear. Is that all you can answer with? Where did you get the figures that say people are proud to be on welfare? Where is the poll that tells us they said that? You are a typical right wing conservative (probably a lying lnp stooge or paid troll) moron who does not have a clue about just how tough people are traveling under this thieving lying lnp's policies of humiliation and stigmatization. I wonder about your"type" and just how you would survive if in the same predicament? Even after having a go to get a go!
    Sceptic
    9th Sep 2019
    12:25pm
    No Mick, you are seeing this Government going after welfare recipients "Newstart" that are on illicit drugs. If a few are in the older age bracket, so be it, your argument in favour of the scheme applies at whatever age, however, you, as always, have to somehow twist it to be an anti -NP issue.
    Polly Esther
    9th Sep 2019
    12:40pm
    MICK I thought you had it there for a moment. Your first paragraph was rather spot on.
    But as usual, you lost the plot and derailed yourself in your next paragraph. You did not let your readers down. Read the comment of Sceptic MICK, perhaps rather slowly if you are still having trouble comprehending.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    2:25pm
    Guilty!
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    4:01pm
    We tend to ignore VCBB - such a schill...

    I suppose he thinks that pensioners given enough of a push will abandon their pension Rights.... strange way of thinking when they are drawing on that Right...

    Good to see his thinking is steadily aligning him with the Trebor Scheme....
    Intellego
    9th Sep 2019
    4:10pm
    VCBB = Verminous, Callous, Brutal Bastard. A typical lackey of the Lieberal Nasty Party.
    Newman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:30pm
    On the contrary, Micks second paragraph hits the nail right on the head! We, but not me, voted for these dickheads. You reap what you sow.
    The Care Bear.
    10th Sep 2019
    8:59am
    It's called Democracy.
    GeeT
    10th Sep 2019
    12:54pm
    VeryCaringBigBear.
    I think you need to change your name... you don't appear to be very caring at all.
    NO ONE is happy being on Welfare payments.... I have no idea where you got that notion. It's not easy to be made redundant in your early 60s and not be able to get a job. Newstart is not enough to buy food & rent... let alone tansport costs to get to those few interviews out of hundreds of jobs you apply for week after week... never getting an answer or knowing the minute you walk into the HR office, you're deemed too old... over or under qualified. It's totally demoralizing. You end up having to spend your savings & meagre super in order to survive.
    Not all of us had a high paying job that earned high super payments. Pull your head out!!!
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    2:51pm
    I agree with you Gold Miner too expensive to run, and we do not have the rehabilitation centers to cope. What we will see is an increase in crime when they are cut off from welfare. The money should be spent on rehabiltation and help those first who are screaming out for help already and cannot find a place to go. This Government is so ignorant of what is really going on. The biggest drug taking is of opioids, pharmaceuticals and alcohol which kill and destroy lives and families are lot more than illegal drugs and there is not enough help for them either.

    9th Sep 2019
    10:16am
    I am all in support on cashless debt card - you want taxpayer funded support then no drugs, gambling and alcohol/cigarettes. Don't like it earn your own income and you can spend what you like on whatever you like.
    The early results suggests the initiative is working.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    10:25am
    Straight from party hacks. The normal culprits selling the poison.
    clarkey
    9th Sep 2019
    11:13am
    Exactly Mick. 100% right. bob menzies the REAL FACTs are that it is not working, the lies put out by murdoch and the lying thieving lnp are FAKE news. The reason the "card" is working in Hervey Bay and the other place is because most of the welfare recipients have moved out of the area to where the card is not used. The lnp use those figures to hoodwink the morons like you into believing it is working. You people are unbelievably frustrating when reading your diatribe of lies. The initiative is not working!
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    11:58am
    bob menzies
    - Does that go for retired politicians on extravagant parliamentary pension funded by taxpayers?
    - Will all retired politicians be forced onto the cashless card scheme and the proposed drug tests in order to control what they spend their pension on, alcohol, gambling, drugs and prostitutes?
    - Will all active state and federal MPs be subject to drug tests,sniffed by police dogs, mandatory strip searches, drugs and alcohol breathalyzer tests before they begin Question Time in parliaments?
    No?...Why not, why should they all be be exempt?
    Sceptic
    9th Sep 2019
    12:28pm
    As my previous remarks Mick, one minute you are all in favour of the scheme and the next you have to be anti as one of your targets is in favour of it. Hypocrisy.
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    12:41pm
    It certainly should do, Arvo, after all the majority of their pensions are paid exclusively by the taxpayers who didn't agree to pay that money in the first place.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    4:02pm
    You're not getting taxpayer funded support - you're drawing on your Pension gights as put away for decades now... nobody's fault but the government if they've thrown the till away while it was still full...
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    4:03pm
    Too true, Triss - nobody voted for Politician's Rights way over and above those of others... they did that for themselves.
    Funkee
    9th Sep 2019
    10:18am
    This country is rapidly descending into a Fascist dictatorship with each successive PM being worst than the last. Now having drug tests for younger ones on the dole is one thing, (I'm not convinced that's even a good thing) but the idea of testing us older age folk for drugs will be a step too far, and making us be part of the demeaning debit card system is quite frankly, reprehensible. Mark my words, it may come one day where even AOP's will have to pass a drug test just to get what's left of our pension. If anyone needs to be drug and alcohol tested it's those sleazy no gooders in Parliament. We have one of the meanest, nastiest, and most stingy governments in the world controlling one of the harshest welfare systems in the world....lucky country?
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    10:24am
    That's because the mentally challenged keep being conned by Murdoch and Stokes media propaganda campaigns. Why else did Australians re-elect a morally defunct government with no policies other than a money handout to the wealthy. Oh yes....the 'Scotty's a good bloke' advertising campaign. It worked. Put in by the stupid who now complain at being savaged yet again.
    johnp
    9th Sep 2019
    10:30am
    Yep' Both LNP and Labor are like the nazis. LNP got into power by lying, cheating, bullying, conniving !! Labor is like the guards in hogans heroes; bumbling idiots who lost the election by not being able to explain their objectives clearly etc.
    Ted Wards
    9th Sep 2019
    10:37am
    @ Mick, the government was re-elected for one simple reason and it is well documented, Australians were unsure, and when they are unsure they don't like change, so the Government stayed the same. People in general don't like change, it's that simple. If you talk to those who predicted the outcome, that was the reason they cited. Its all over the internet, you just have to look.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2019
    10:40am
    Most workers are now drug and alcohol tested and so should those on welfare.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    11:21am
    No Ted. The government was elected because Labor was stupid and came after too many people with their franking credits changes. I was prepared to accept a loss of a few thousand dollars but others were not. And of course the top end of town got to keep their franking credits so it was unfair.
    Policies from this government? There was none other than tax cuts for those who were already rich and had zero need of more money in their bank accounts.

    You miss the right wing media orchestrated 'Scotty's a good bloke' campaign. It was unfair, dishonest and relentless but won the day. What you got was a scare campaign which never focused on the huge debt this government had already run up and the lie of a "strong economy" which was already understood for the lie it was and is.

    I know who you back Ted but honest Australians with even a small amount of intelligence and a conscience could not have voted this lot back in. They did. Now we'll all pay for that. Cheers
    Oldman Roo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:19pm
    While I do not oppose a drug or alcohol Test for younger people able to work , I see it as outright degrading for people in the 70 + years , where it would also be difficult to tell the difference with many of the Doctors prescribed drugs these people are on .
    Generally there is absolutely no denying that Cash will get one the best deals or is this privilege now only for the rich ? The advanced age people also do not trust using Credit Cards , considering the scams and the confusion on just how much you are spending .The wife and I each make a Cash Withdrawal from the Bank and know how much we have and how much we spend or have spent . Simple arithmetic that would also be better for a lot of people not on welfare .
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:21pm
    For those who don't fully comprehend the meaning of fascism-

    Fascism is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century.

    National Socialism (also known as Nazi Germany) and in Australia. The National Socialist Party of Australia was a minor Australian neo-Nazi party that operated between 1967 and early 1970s. It was formed in 1967 as a more moderate breakaway from the Australian National Socialist Party. The NSPA was led by Ted Cawthron.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-17/a-history-of-nazis-and-the-far-right-in-australia/10713514

    Far Right in Australia- https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/03/cpac-how-australias-rightwing-speaking-circuit-went-from-pr-stunt-to-cash-cow

    In 1984, a moderate conservative in the Liberal Party disclosed that the far right in the Liberal Party was gaining a stronger voice and making stronger demands , we of course ,scoffed at the prospects of the far right reaching their aspirations but, here we are ,35 years later, being dictated to by by a bunch of far right lunatics.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    2:28pm
    I can't believe it. You are being factual Arvo.
    Pretty well nails it. Poor old bob won't have a bar of that though.
    inextratime
    9th Sep 2019
    3:29pm
    Hi Mick.. you have to be joking. The labor Party could not even cost out their very adventurous climate change policy. All Bill could say that the cost of not paying for his carbon emission targets would be higher than the cost of the policy but was totally unable to give an answer to how much that would cost. So people were mentally challenged for not voting for him.
    Then there was the dumb electric car policy, remember that little gem. he had no idea how much that was going to cost and he wasn't sure how long it too to recharge a car. And people were mentally challenged not to vote for him. And then there was the discriminatory rises in child care workers the uncertainty on border protection and the people were all mentally challenged because Mr Palmer, who attacked both parties were responsible for criticising labor. I think I know who was mentally challenged.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:21pm
    Fascism is as Fascism does, suh, as they allus say down in Green Bow....

    When you look at the realities of current governance n theis nation, there are countless parallels with Hitler's Germany - and let me remind you that Stalin's Russia, for all its leftist populist bombast, was more Fascist and 'right wing' than Hitler's Germany..

    I recommend a re-read of Will L Shirer's "The Rise and Fall Of the Third Reich"...
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:22pm
    William L Shirer - what the hell is wrong with this keyboard today?
    jaycee1
    10th Sep 2019
    10:27am
    Funkee, While I can agree with most of what you are saying. I think the crown for the 'meanest, nastiest, and most stingy governments in the world' must go to the UK one. They have been in austerity mode for over 8 years, but have only managed to quadruple the national debt during that time.
    The way it treats people on ANY benefits is absolutely shocking. It has caused a huge spike in suicides which I think the government should be held accountable for.
    Gilbert
    9th Sep 2019
    10:23am
    I am all in support on cashless debt card if you want me to pay for your spending then this my conditions. if they don't like it then don't have it.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    10:25am
    Straight from party hacks. The normal culprits selling the poison.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2019
    10:38am
    I agree if you collect welfare you should be given a cashless debit card. If you want to spend money on what you want then simply earn it not just take it.
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:30pm
    VCB-Does that apply to all retired politicians?
    Sceptic
    9th Sep 2019
    12:33pm
    The easiest thing to do is to just quote the hypocrite Mick back to him, as Mick stated earlier on this subject, "It may be but many abuse the purpose of welfare and leave their families and themselves in a poverty they should not be in.
    Bear in mind only 80% of payments are restricted to the essentials of life, which the card was always intended for. The rest can be spent as the user chooses.
    I'm over the 'embarrassment' nonsense as its taxpayer money. Free money. Its (sic) not a gift which a caring society gives to those who need it."
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    12:53pm
    I don't agree with you, Gilbert. How many times do people like you have to be told before it sinks in that there aren't as many job vacancies as there are people looking for a job. Also taking a section of the population and subjecting them to indignities that the rest of the population are not subjected to is a violation of their human rights. If you object to them getting a couple of dollars of your taxes wait until someone with a bit of spirit decides to fight back…you’ll be paying out more than a couple of dollars in compensation.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2019
    12:57pm
    It is very sad when one can only say they left their pension card at home so many times. In the end they just give up and don't go out with pensioners.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    2:29pm
    You starting to sound the same as OM Sceptic. I wonder why.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:24pm
    Well ...................... (wait for it... Wait For IT!)...... that means that Pensioners and Unemployment Benefit recipients are not included in any 'cashless car syndrome.. for the simple reason that they are drawing Social Security, not 'welfare' ... if they want ' welfare' they can always go to Vinies or The Sallies or Li Feline... which they often do when in dire straits...
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:25pm
    Damn - cashless card --- who would be caught dead driving a cashless car? Probably got no roadworthy ...
    GeeT
    10th Sep 2019
    12:44pm
    Just a question Gilbert & anyone else....
    How would anyone pay rent & transport costs to get to interviews while on the cashless card???

    These people have a hard enough time buying food, let alone anything else.

    I'm an aged Pensioner & I object to being drug tested... even though I don't have a lot of medications. I worked for 50 years & paid my taxes. You can keep "your money" Gilbert.
    Ted Wards
    9th Sep 2019
    10:34am
    The rot starts at the top, if welfare recipients have to do this, so should our politicians. Drug testing should include alcohol testing for our politicians as well as introducing a payback scheme for when politicians are caught roughting the system say for helicopter rides and excessive travel claims etc.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    11:23am
    This issue is an intentional distraction which takes the gaze away from the woeful economy we have had shoved down our throats, the tax cuts for the wealthy and the fact that vested interests control our government.
    Call it any way you like Ted but we do not have a real government of any sort. Just a bunch of malicious MPs trying to install itself into a fascist dictatorship so that it can never be put out of power.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:29pm
    As but yesterday - if the ATO can track every movement of your bank account, there is no reason why they can't track every movement of politician expense accounts and render a bill for cash unused in legitimate activity... and ensure that only legitimate costs are reimbursed....

    One rule for all... Let Right Be Done!!

    You'd think the way they put the Hounds of Hell on anyone who makes a mistake with their Colonel C'Link reporting, they'd be slavering like the Hound of The Baskervilles over getting back some of that lovely expense money never used - say - when staying with your missus in her flat in Cambra (Heart of A Nation)... or staying in a cheap hotel instead of the five star they're paid for.... or house pooling with a bunch of their fellows.... or staying in the digs at the ADFA ....
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2019
    10:36am
    I agree all those on welfare should be drug tested and given the welfare card.
    grumpyoldwoman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:50am
    You are obviously not on Newstart!
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:33pm
    VCB-Does that apply to all retired politicians?
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    1:05pm
    Taking a section of the population and subjecting the individuals in that section to the removal of their dignity and personal confidence will have a trickle down effect, people will feel less moral concern for them and will be less worried when they are treated badly...as you yourself have shown... and will contribute to the violation of their human rights.
    Karl Marx
    9th Sep 2019
    3:37pm
    Uncaring VCBB, watch this space as crime will accelerate at a pace that will be uncontrollable.
    Hope your home is fortified & you never leave the security of your compound as you will be targeted as one of the haves by the people you have made a have not.
    Revolutions in the past have been successful because people eventually get tired of being controlled by a few & eventually revolt.
    KSS
    9th Sep 2019
    4:46pm
    People on Newstart will still get the same amount as will anyone else on a welfare payment regardless of age. They will still have 20% in cash. So what exactly is the problem? Most people now pay for most things by cards. This will be no different.
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    9:10pm
    Yes, it will be different, KSS, and you know it. You just have emphasised what I wrote, a section of the population have had their dignity and personal confidence taken away from them by a demeaning card - which is very different from a bank credit card. You and others have accepted what the government tells you, they are inferior to you therefore you feel less moral concern for them and you're not worried that they have had their human rights removed. Dehumanisation it is called.
    Karl Marx
    10th Sep 2019
    7:58am
    the problem is KSS that you have now taken away an individuals choice, not just choice of what they can buy but where they can buy it.
    The government & people like you & others on this forum want control of the masses by taking away their freedom of choice.
    People like you who see someone using this card will not have any empathy towards them but will instantly conclude they as less than you & therefore to be looked down as an embarrassment on society.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    3:00pm
    I thought this article was more about drug testing not the cashless card, anyway both are going to cost taxpayers a lot more than even raising Newstart.
    grumpyoldwoman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:48am
    Soon they will be telling us which brand of toothpaste to buy? I am tired of being treated like a naughty child. I am a Carer not a "User" and I resent being painted with same brush as those who abuse welfare, create some jobs at Centrelink and Welfare to offer help to these people instead trying to control every aspect of their lives...I agree with you gold miner
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    3:01pm
    I agree it is not fair just because a small minority is on drugs everyone is getting treated the same way, the fact is people on welfare cannot afford drugs, if addicted they steal and drug deal, and the whole implementation of this drug testing will cost taxpayers a lot more and they will be collecting everyone's DNA! Is this legal?
    grumpyoldwoman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:52am
    I have been a Carer/Wife for my husband for the last ten years. I am now only 60 years old. When I am no long my husband's "Carer" I will have to go on Newstart. If that situation is not bad enough. If I was told I had to submit to a drug test to get Newstart, which I would have to do voluntary work as a requirement as well, I think that would be the last straw.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:31pm
    and what happens when the last straw arrives? Nothing. The sun rises the next morning, we move on and do what we have to do.
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:47pm
    That's correct Farside , take the power of money (cash) away from the plebs and you have complete control over them.
    It's similar to a husband depriving his wife of financial independence, hoard most of the income, do the shopping with the wife but control what she buys and how much is spent and structure the financial assets in the husband's name and the wife has literally no where to go except, perhaps, to runaway to a women's shelter with the hope that she can settle a divorce with their help.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    1:03pm
    yep, Arvo. You have to feel for women who find themselves in those circumstances. Nobody would wish more than those affected that they had chosen better spouses in the first instance and left as soon as they realised they had made a bad choice. Nevertheless they cannot rewrite history and must move on.
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    2:11pm
    The politicians enforcing the welfare card....are like that husband...who feels for the welfare recipient?
    What is the benefit to the government in controlling how welfare cash is spent? There must be a benefit and the notion that it will get more people back into the workforce is very weak therefore it is a poor excuse for an undeclared (hidden agenda.
    One benefit could be that it will centralise the welfare funds to be drawn from one financial source, not necessarily a bank. Other benefits may include:
    -no need to distribute welfare funds to different banks
    -reduced finance management administration
    -less staff
    -benefit from the lag of withdrawing funds in one lump sum therefore resting balances earn the government a modest short term interest income

    Can you think of other benefits for the government?

    The downside for the government will be the cost of producing and distribution of the welfare cards, covering the cost of renewing lost or stolen welfare cards, or will they charge fees to the welfare recipients?

    Some of the downside for the welfare of recipients could be:
    - if supermarket Eftpos terminals suffer computer transaction crashes s as in recent times
    - if airlines do not accept them
    - if any retail stores, butcher shop, fish and chips store, coffee shops or restaurants do not accept them
    -if trades persons do not accept them
    -if retail stores that will accept welfare cards charge a fee for the waiting period to receive the funds into their trading bank account or they hike up their retail prices to cover the waiting period to receive trading funds
    -if Internet retail stores do not accept them
    if-mobile phone service providers don't accept them

    Can you think of other downsides for the welfare recipient?


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    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    3:05pm
    What about payment coming in from stores, supermarkets, etc if they want their snouts in this government manufactured gravy train? There will be kick backs along the way and the card holders will pay.
    KSS
    9th Sep 2019
    4:48pm
    Except Arvo, no one is taking any money from anyone. Everyone will still get the same amount they had before and 20% still in cash. What is the problem?
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:31pm
    We march on Canberra - March Or die!!
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:32pm
    What about the taxpayer fundeed administration of The Card, a cost which runs into billions of freebie for some old Party mates?

    ICAC anyone? Just another one of these 'business opportunities' that just happened to fall the way of an old Party crony?

    No wonder there is no rush for a Federal ICAC with full powers.... and total independence (hold the laughter)...
    Rae
    10th Sep 2019
    7:51am
    As a taxpayer I can see a lot of downsides. Starting with the $10 000 pre card the Liberal/National Party that owns Indue will receive and it's not a listed company I can buy. Who gets the drug testing contract and how much is that going to cost taxpayers?

    Drug testing has never worked and is a waste of money for the small % of those found needing medical help that doesn't exist because of lack of Government funding.

    KSS how is the Newstart recipient to pay their share of house costs if living at home or in share housing? Will the 20% cash cover it or will they be forced onto the streets?

    The whole exercise is a distraction and designed to focus bullying on certain groups while rewarding other groups and encouraging bribery.
    Priscilla
    9th Sep 2019
    10:58am
    Why should the majority be punished because of people who drug addictcs, alcoholics and gamblers? I do not take drugs, only have alcohol at celebrations and only 1 glass as I drive. I am not a gambler. People with these problems should be assisted. Those looking for work should be retrained, apprentices should be available for the young and the not so young. Positive measures are helpful not punishing society in general.
    clarkey
    9th Sep 2019
    11:19am
    Exactly Priscilla. Instead of the lnp cutting health services they should be getting to the bottom of the problem and helping the addicts get better so they could find work. IF THERE IS ANY WORK TO FIND that is. It is a minority on welfare not a majority who are sick and ill with addiction problems.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    11:26am
    That's a good post Priscilla. Precisely.
    The government could EASILY do this but refuses to do so. The end game appears more likely to be a game of tight control on those it can control. Those on benefits are the obvious starting point. That's what dictatorships do and this lot keeps demonstrating that it IS in the the formation stage of exactly that.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:40pm
    Don't think of it as a punishment Priscilla but as ensuring those who require support can be identified to provide them the assistance they require. Consider why we have random breath testing for drivers ... the majority of those tested are cleared and move on with their day. As a society we have decided the inconvenience and cost for the privilege of being tested is a worthwhile exercise.
    Arvo
    9th Sep 2019
    12:52pm
    And, there's your problem Priscilla., "...and only 1 glass as I drive" as you wrote in your post. You are not suppose to have any glass as you drive my dear, perhaps you need AAA? Phone number is in the first few pages of Yellow Pages.
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    2:02pm
    Good post, Priscilla.
    sunnyOz
    9th Sep 2019
    2:56pm
    Agree - SO sick and tired of constant punishment, not reward. How do you train a dog or a horse? - by rewarding good behavior. So sick and tired of the majority being punished because of a small minority.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:34pm
    Two beers then home to hit the p1ss .... easy .....

    Might head to the bar fridge ... **hiccup** ... gedin whi' the... th' (hic) goin'sh good!
    Red 13
    9th Sep 2019
    11:16am
    Aren't the Liberal vermin who post here just so hateful of the poor and disadvantaged. I bet none know what it's like to ever work hard in their lives. The world can do without these Liberal loving haters. What sad people they are.
    clarkey
    9th Sep 2019
    11:20am
    100% CORRECT.
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    11:28am
    You may want to consider that some of the lovely folk you mention are paid trolls posting the government agenda. Softening people up for what is coming. I've been watching some of these people operate on this website for several years now. Wait until the next election cycle arrives. You'll see them out in force peddling the party propaganda.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:44pm
    Mick, how do you know the trolls are paid to represent the government? I suspect those that you and others label as paid are simply expressing their opinions, however if that is not the case then where can one sign up to get one of these gigs?
    MICK
    9th Sep 2019
    2:32pm
    Because they trot out the party line after it is announced to the masses. Even when its garbage or outright lies.
    I may get a few wrong but I think I have this crowd in my sights. Will call it out for what it is.
    Tell me we have a strong economy Farside? And the rest.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:36pm
    Well - it takes all kinds of fools to make the world, Mick - some young guy the other day trotted out the tired old line about 'baby boomers are getting all these handouts'... gotta be dumb as dog guano ...
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    11:17pm
    Far from me to say we have a strong economy Mick. But for the mine accidents in Brazil we would already be feeling a bundle of hurt. I would still like to know where these paid jobs are for stirring the pot on YLC.
    Oldchick
    9th Sep 2019
    11:16am
    Drug test the pollies and breath test them each morning and I bet you’d find a lot didn’t pass the test. The taxpayers are paying them far more than what the pensioners get and their benefits go on, and on, and on....... Pension plus paid employment. This lot are a bunch of idiots masquerading as leaders. They have no sense of reality, can’t work out that the administration costs far outway the benefits, and want to take away every shred of dignity older people have. I don’t agree with drugs, have never smoked in my life but do enjoy an occasional drink. So do they, taxpayer funded ones.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:49pm
    I suggest not making that bet Oldchick. Do you have any basis besides your opinion that a lot of pollies would not pass a morning breath test? I have worked on my sites with mandatory daily testing and in my experience few are caught. Enjoy your drink.
    Oldman Roo
    9th Sep 2019
    3:12pm
    I am more concerned about them passing an IQ Test .
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:37pm
    Put a requirement on them that they do a remedial course at their personal cost before they are allowed to take a seat... maybe extend it to a full degree course and make it mandatory for anyone wishing to enter politics.... income and means tested of course... free for the peasantry and full cost times ten for the fat ...
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:49pm
    Could include a section on Spin Doctoring 101-201 - "Spin Certificate (Tertiary Education Requirement) - commonly known as a Sphincter ......
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    9:15pm
    I prefer a complete psychological test before they can be endorsed as a candidate, Trebor. I swear we have too many psychopaths and sociopaths in government.
    Baby Huey
    9th Sep 2019
    11:31am
    Having grown up in the 1960's in a country that had a ongoing food stamp program with similar conditions to the cash debit card I have no problem with issuing the card to those on genuine welfare. I have worked in a number of industries where regular and random drug testing was a condition of employment and have no problems random drug testing of those on wefare who are essentually employed by Centerlink and the government. The drug test would have to be administered by trained and qualified persons not some incompetent desk driver at Centerlink.
    Older Australians who have worked hard, paid their taxes, and are on the age pension are not on WELFARE. It appears the present government is lumping anyone who is on a age pension into the welfare group. It would highly demeaning to force pensioners onto the card and subject them to drug tests.
    If you are over 65 Centerlink will not help you unless you are on a pension or benefit. This is in the legislation.
    Perhaps this government and future governments, either LNP or Labor, will impose the final solution for older Australian as Hilter did in the late 1930s to anyone over 70 including Germans. Hitler's policy stated to the effect anyone over 70 was of no use and a burden to society. Policy provided for the elimination of persons over 70.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:50pm
    Perhaps a future government needs to not include LNP and Labor and greens ..... then we might see some progress... forward progress at that...
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    4:57pm
    I don't think they will be testing those on the pension, it is those older people who are waiting to get on the pension and are stuck on NOstart because there is no hope of getting employed late in life.
    cupoftea
    9th Sep 2019
    11:40am
    I get sick of this old stuff showing its head again well you that voted them in cop it they have not got any polices to get this country out of crap that they have got us in to well they are all right and there mates so while they are going over this stuff in the house again they will be looking at other crap to spring on us
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:52pm
    The reason the 'smoke-filled room laden with fine whiskey fumes' was invented was to permit the Party faithful and employees such as Spin Doctors to work out well in advance - like any good chess player - what step to take, one after another, with all contingencies covered...

    Me cynical? Nev-uh!
    cupoftea
    9th Sep 2019
    11:40am
    I get sick of this old stuff showing its head again well you that voted them in cop it they have not got any polices to get this country out of crap that they have got us in to well they are all right and there mates so while they are going over this stuff in the house again they will be looking at other crap to spring on us
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:51pm
    I get sick of duplicate posts that are not deleted.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:53pm
    I get sick of this old stuff showing its head again well you that voted them in cop it they have not got any polices to get this country out of crap that they have got us in to well they are all right and there mates so while they are going over this stuff in the house again they will be looking at other crap to spring on us
    Charlie
    9th Sep 2019
    11:44am
    I think they need to make it clear, what they hope to achieve by having the card, and why they are drug testing dole recipients.

    The goal post here can be shifted and blurred.

    A person who is 55yo and unfit for full time employment can draw all or part of their super and have interest bearing deposit yielding $75 a week and still get the dole too or they can have similar casual employment income. So they get some of their income on a card and some as cash from the bank. But what an unnecessary inconvenience.

    If the card becomes compulsory for people deemed to have problems managing their life. How does this get done without appearing discriminatory, in selecting the people who must have the card.

    If the card is optional it only helps people who want to be helped.

    Then there is the drug testing but why?. Should low income people be tested for drugs more than high income people?
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:58pm
    it is not drug testing low income people because they have a low income, else your question as to whether low incomes are more deserving than high incomes would be a fair one. The test is slated for those receiving Newstart and Youth Allowance and if good enough for them then the question should be why it should not also be applied to all recipients of income from the government coffers including pensioners, MPs, civil servants, defence personnel and contractors.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:54pm
    Too true, Farside....
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    9:20pm
    And you can bet your bottom dollar, Charlie, that the names of cardholders will be listed somewhere under drunk, drug takers and every other crime.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    4:59pm
    And Triss they will have your DNA for life!
    SuziJ
    9th Sep 2019
    11:51am
    I refuse to be 'pushed onto' the cashless welfare card! It's demeaning to those of us who can live within their means. I have a very strict budget and it's no business of the government as to where I spend my funds. I'd never have my bills paid by Centrepay just because they 'think' that I cannot control my funds. I'd certainly push back against having to go on the card in the first place.

    As a matter of fact, the Real Estate agents in my city don't have EFTPOS facilities to take rent payments. How are we supposed to pay our rent if we're on this card. I know that Telstra & some electricity suppliers have a surcharge to have your bill paid by Card. Why should I have to cop these charges if I can pay the bills, etc by internet banking?

    There are those of us out here that have no use for illicit drugs, alcohol, gambling, tobacco, etc. Why should we have to go through the humiliation of having to have a drug test just to receive our benefits, especially those of us on multiple prescription drugs that may show up in any test. We're not the ones that 'need' to be tested!

    Those of us on the DSP 60+ Newstart and Age Pension should NEVER be forced onto having drug tests. It's not our fault that those of us under Pension age can't find a job. The system is against us from age discrimination and our health problems which may prohibit us from getting another job.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    5:02pm
    I agree with you SuziJ, DNA should not be collected, this drug testing is to collect DNA.
    As with paying rent, I had to get a cheque book to pay my rent to avoid the surcharges on my card, because the real estate I pay rent to wanted me to go to a third party that charges me fee's on top of paying my rent and they Real estate charges if I use my card! Even though my bank said they should not be charging when using a debit card.
    ronloby
    9th Sep 2019
    11:59am
    What this Government is trying to do is: Get to intimidate any person who claims welfare leaving them as has-beens and not employable. If you haven't the money to buy suitable clothing then you won't get a job due to discrimination. Regardless of a cash debit card or not one will not be able to survive day to day unless welfare is increased. This Government is only interested in helping its rich mates get richer. Time for a BIG Change.
    Ms Logik
    9th Sep 2019
    5:32pm
    Yes, I agree. it is really time for a BIG change. Let Australia be the lucky country again! For all of us!
    OJ21
    9th Sep 2019
    11:59am
    The LNP Will spend as much as they can to make it so difficult for those on welfare to survive that people opt out of claiming benefits including old age pensions. They have exhausted other ways to make the illusion of job growth.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    5:04pm
    They are creating jobs for those who will be doing the drug testing but they won't provide more money for rehab until they do their trial, go figure. Someone is going to make a lot of money by collecting everyones DNA.
    Farside
    9th Sep 2019
    12:15pm
    If the Government wants to drug test some Centrelink recipients then it should at least be consistent and, as a minimum, drug test all Centrelink recipients but preferably drug test all those on the Commonwealth payroll including pensioners, MPs, civil servants, defence personnel and contractors. There is no reasonable excuse to limit the support and kindness to those receiving Newstart and Youth Allowance.
    Tricky
    9th Sep 2019
    1:40pm
    Australian Federal Police and Defence personnel already undergo random and targeted drug testing!
    Intellego
    9th Sep 2019
    4:25pm
    Tricky, the difference is that such personnel CHOOSE to be in those professions; welfare recipients do not.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:56pm
    If it were up to me I'd target any Defence personnel for drugs - I was stunned, upon my first visit to a DVA facility, to hear how many had used drugs and still do.

    All I could say was - not in my unit.... never saw it or heard of it...
    Chooky
    9th Sep 2019
    1:25pm
    Voters need to understand the ‘values’ and beliefs of The Pentecostal PM they have elected.
    Scotty will not and can not seperate his religious beliefs from the state. It’s essential for democracy there is separation of church and state.
    We have a PM who believes if you are poor or disadvantaged it’s your own doing. Hence his slogan of ‘if you have a go you’ll get a go’. What he’s saying is you didn’t do enough or you didn’t do anything to get out of poverty or lack of education therefore it’s your own fault.
    Well Australia, don’t whinge, you voted for it.
    Triss
    9th Sep 2019
    1:45pm
    Yes, Australia, you must whinge. Never forget this government and it’s controls or you’ll make the mistake next time.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:57pm
    Singing in the spiritual choir on the Titanic...
    Tricky
    9th Sep 2019
    1:38pm
    When are Politicians and there respective staff going to undergo drug and alcohol testing in there work place which is common place through out the Australian work force? Or are they above the standards Australians already undergo!
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    5:58pm
    How dare you ask such a thing of your betters? (smiley implied)...
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:00pm
    How could a politician etc do his/her job when under the constant threat of being drug etc tested......???

    Test 'em all on entry - pass through the security gate, and it's automatic - just a little step on from current security scanning....

    "Please place all metal objects in the tray and count to ten into this orifice before you pass through the metal detector".....

    "Failure too count to ten audibly will trigger an instant lockout"...
    East of Toowoomba
    9th Sep 2019
    1:44pm
    Partner is on the cannabis drug trial, guess he'd be offered drug counseling were he drug tested under this plan.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:01pm
    Different chemical makeup??
    Tricky
    9th Sep 2019
    1:45pm
    As an older Australian I experience drug and alcohol impairment at our local Bowling Club! No doubt this impairment occurs with our Politicians and Staff? Without any testing! Where are the role models and leaders in this country, by leading by example!
    Rae
    10th Sep 2019
    8:07am
    Well if this card comes in there won't be local clubs or hotels pretty soon as they will go broke. Some terrific plan hey? But Indue owners will be rolling in billions of profits. How good is that! The drug testing company is sure to do very well too.
    floss
    9th Sep 2019
    2:24pm
    Mick by a mile that is exactly what happened at the last election and will happen at the next some people are easily fooled and there is more to come when the family home becomes a asset.
    Joy Anne
    9th Sep 2019
    2:42pm
    Bloody disgusting. LNP always attacking older Aussies and pensioners. More important things are our economy, super people losing thousands, electricity, gas, farmers etc. No all the LNP want to do is screw older Australians.
    two cents worth
    9th Sep 2019
    2:50pm
    BRING IT ON!
    Intellego
    9th Sep 2019
    4:28pm
    Bring what on? Your being humiliated by the government?
    Budge
    9th Sep 2019
    2:59pm
    The government forgets that a huge proportion of Baby Boomers were only on 3% company super contributions which they lost with any accrued interest if they changed jobs. In addition BBs were forced to use the company’s preferred super fund and so were often paying admin fees at a number of funds! Consequently they have little or no superannuation, so are forced to live below the poverty line on $49/day. If these ex hard working taxpayers continue to work in order to try to make ends meet, half of their wage over $130/week is effectively taken away in cut pension, by a government who wants to use under Aussies to solve their budget problems!
    To then have 80% of the pension, in a welfare card would be a huge insult! The government has clearly shown that systems such as NDIS and CentreLink only generate administration jobs. Please don’t add to this at the cost of people who have paid their way, their taxes and in many cases their health in serving others.
    Dave R
    9th Sep 2019
    3:19pm
    I Indue card the government wants to introduce is owned and operated by major Liberal party donors. Every time another person is forced onto it these people make more money.
    As usual with the Liberal Party this card is not about helping welfare recipients budget it's about lucrative government contracts for their mates.
    cupoftea
    9th Sep 2019
    4:23pm
    Dave R you are so right
    cupoftea
    9th Sep 2019
    4:23pm
    Dave R you are so right
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:02pm
    Dave R you are so right
    Newman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:21pm
    Right on mate
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    5:08pm
    Exactly creating jobs and profits for his big pharmie mates, and collecting your DNA too to store for future use.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    11th Sep 2019
    10:48am
    Rubbish.
    Eddy
    9th Sep 2019
    3:48pm
    My issue is how do the drug testing agencies discriminate between those who have a drug problem and those who record a positive test even though they do not 'do drugs'. Could doing something quite innocent, like taking a cough lolly, result in failing a drug test with the onus of proof, like in Robodebt, resting on the social security recipient 'proving' they were not taking illicit drugs. Seems to me such a drug testing regime would be fraught with danger for innocent persons. I imagine we are all aware of Shayna Jack's dilemma of trying to prove her positive drug test was the result of inadvertent ingestion, as she asserts, rather than active drug taking.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:03pm
    Hang 'Em all - Let God (AKA RoboDrug) Sort 'Em Out!
    Snowflake
    9th Sep 2019
    3:51pm
    We now have a government with no social conscience whatsoever. Pigs in the trough and no transparency or accountability They are the worst type of hypocrites and I absolutely detest them and their so called Christian values. Detestable bunch.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    3:59pm
    a. Before we start, let's get this clear - Social Security is not 'welfare' -

    b. Now that we can start on the same page - it therefore follows that there should be no impediment to obtaining social security in retirement.

    c. It therefore follows that the entire gamut of retirement packaging needs to be fully revamped and I would suggest placed under a one-shop roof, with the same rules for all, as outlined previously in The Trebor Manifesto.

    d. That'll bring the bastards to heel...

    Now we can begin to talk.......
    Drewbie
    9th Sep 2019
    4:06pm
    Hold onto your hats folks, This issue ain't finished yet. Not by a long shot. What's sneakily in the Fed Government's works also is a House Bill coming soon before the Lower House In Canberra titled as follows:

    " Currency ( Restrictions on the use of Cash ) Bill 2019 ". You find that a little unbelievable? Search it up for yourselves, then email & phone your Federal Member ad nauseam telling them straight, just how bad this pending House Bill really is & why it's illegal under the Privacy Act Reg's.

    The upshot of this is to "supposedly" target organised crime & tax avoidance of cash transactions - $10,000 & over. But here's the burning salt rub. It's non-discriminatory & targets every hard-working, honest,
    tax paying Australian. It will also immediately provide the Fed Finance Minister & the Treasurer, complete discretionary power to dramatically reduce the 10 Grand limit to any amount they choose, on a whim, at any time.

    Yes what I've written is " off-topic " so please pardon my sincere digression. I too agree that the Cashless Card is " Not Worth Its Salt " Since ACOSS Policy Director J Phillips states it costs " thousands per person to administer " The Morrison Government & Treasury bean counters would be far better off to immediately dump, abolish, burn the C C permanently, & redirect the countless millions saved into permanently raising Newstart & other pensions across the board so recipients " the honest ones " have enough to feed, clothe themselves & their kids, pay the bills & look for work or undergo suitable re-training where applicable.
    Rae
    10th Sep 2019
    8:18am
    Yes . The bankers are desperate and can't understand why people are saving and harding cash. It's a global problem due entirely to fear of conservative governments. Everything they do just makes the problem bigger.

    Trying to find ways to charge for money or force spending is dominating policy. Pity they can't concentrate on how to build a society, create jobs and make life pleasant for people instead.
    Intellego
    9th Sep 2019
    4:06pm
    Trust the LNP vermin to persecute older pensioners. But, then, the elderly typically vote for these bastards. You reap what you sow.
    Intellego
    9th Sep 2019
    4:06pm
    Trust the LNP vermin to persecute older pensioners. But, then, the elderly typically vote for these bastards. You reap what you sow.
    Rae
    10th Sep 2019
    8:19am
    Do the elderly typically vote for them or is that yet another propaganda belief?
    KSS
    9th Sep 2019
    4:40pm
    These welfare people need to get over themselves. We are fast becoming a cashless society so what difference does it make whether you have a welfare card or a bank card? You get the same amount of money you just get 20% in cash. If people are going to use welfare to support a drug or alcohol or gambling dependence. I see nothing wrong in doing everything possible to stop it. In the case of drugs failing a second drug test will see the person into rehab. And a good thing too. In areas where these cards have been trialed there has been a drop in drug use, alcohol consumption, child abuse and domestic violence. Having one's pride fleetingly pinged by having to buy exactly what welfare is for i.e. rent, health costs, food clothing etc is a small price to pay for that.
    KSS
    9th Sep 2019
    4:58pm
    One more thing. It is a RANDOM test so not everyone will be tested even in the trial.

    Read here for more information and the help that will be made available to those failing two drug tests.

    https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/12_2017/fact_sheet_-_drug_testing_trial_-_generic.pdf
    Karl Marx
    9th Sep 2019
    5:34pm
    Wrong KSS the welfare card isn't the same as a bank debit card. You can use your bank debit card at any retail outlet that has the facility unlike the welfare card that will only be accepted by retailers who sign up so if your local grocer hasn't or can't sign up for any reason then you can't even but fruit & veg, same goes for your local butcher or any retailer even the local pharmacy.
    This whole welfare card system stinks, no reeks of corruption & will be abused and cost the taxpayer millions in more admin costs & funnelled profits for shareholders & CEO's of the corporations that have the contract to issue cards & issue retailers the right to accept the cards.
    Retailers like Coles, Woolies, Aldi & the like should also be banned from being able to sign up as a preferred outlet until they sell all their interests in hotels, poker machines etc & also stop selling alcohol on their premises.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:05pm
    Cashless and class-less - successful on both fronts - many have no cash and there is certainly no class in the offing... Bob Hawke's dream has become reality.... just not as he thought it would...
    Rae
    10th Sep 2019
    8:22am
    Perhaps if it does come about then Aldi should be prevented from charging a fee to use a card for purchases. A lot of people pay cash at aldi to avoid the surcharge. Obviously that suits the German Corporation who owns it.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    5:13pm
    The drop in rates is most likely due to people leaving these areas, and what is the point of sending to rehab when those who are desperate and wanting help to go to rehab cannot find a place to go or cannot afford the private rehab centers. The money should do to creating rehab centers first and foremost.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    11th Sep 2019
    10:46am
    A fall in profits from those who now accept cash will have them lining p for the facilities to take welfare cards to survive. A good thing too.
    grumpyoldwoman
    9th Sep 2019
    5:03pm
    I have had enough! I am unsubscribing to yourlifechoices, for the 20 percent of subscribers that are doing it hard and trying to make ends meet...take care. For the 80 percent that are left that, well....oh I haven't got the time to even waste commenting .....
    Take Care ....I can get more reliable information by googling and watching government press releases....most of the information given on this site is available by "googling" anyway! And I don't have to read some undesirable comments from the miss-informed or .....whatever....I'm gone! Take Care Everyone!
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:07pm
    Whoa, whoa - what brought that on?

    Do you disagree with the info passed on by YLC - or are you just angry with some contributors and their views, and if so, which kinds of view?

    Your views are counted, since government lackeys monitor these boards .....
    Newman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:24pm
    Mate, get over yourself . Chill
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    5:15pm
    Don't let the turkeys get you down grumpyoldwoman, I will miss your comments.
    Alexii
    9th Sep 2019
    5:07pm
    It might be fair enough to test all these good people so long as all the parliamentarians are subjected to frequent random drug and alcohol tests especially after lunch and, when parliament is sitting at night after dinner. And then hit with big penalties, eg a week's salary, each time they fail the tests.
    Karl Marx
    9th Sep 2019
    5:37pm
    They should also be banned for 1 month for 1st offence then 2 months etc from sitting in parliament. May give the opposition the numbers then pass & reject legislation.
    TREBOR
    9th Sep 2019
    6:10pm
    Downe At Ye Olde Courte House:-

    "Polly Tishan - you are hereby convicted on the charge of legislating while above the prescribed content of alcohol. This offence carries an automatic six month suspension of your legislating licence for this, your first offence - so I caution you not to appear before this court again on this charge - since the penalties for repeat offences are severe and include imprisonment. You are hereby fined One week's salary and are suspended from legislating for six months...."
    panos
    9th Sep 2019
    7:51pm
    Shite, why don't they give everyone who cannot look after themselves anymore at home, the GREEN DREAM think of how much money they will save....Hey ScoMo here is the idea to get the budget in the black.....

    Enjoy
    panos
    9th Sep 2019
    7:51pm
    Shite, why don't they give everyone who cannot look after themselves anymore at home, the GREEN DREAM think of how much money they will save....Hey ScoMo here is the idea to get the budget in the black.....

    Enjoy
    Fisherman
    9th Sep 2019
    8:01pm
    The latest report from McKinsey makes it quite clear! Australia has lost its late 20th century reform momentum and is falling behind on innovation, digitisation and productivity compared to the rest of the world. Complacency and the instinct to protect the status quo, combined with an ageing population, put the economy at further risk. The longer we delay action, the more painful the consequences will be. That these automation technologies are coming to Australia is certain. Google and AlphaBet’s 2017 report, The Automation Advantage, noted that automation could add $2.2 trillion to the Australian economy over 15 years by raising productivity and creating jobs that are safer and more satisfying, as long as there is a strong policy framework to protect vulnerable workers. Governments and other institutions who manage this transition poorly could see increased inequality and risk public backlash and political instability. Seems our mean and nasty government can't see this coming and are ignoring the warning bells at the level crossing?
    Newman
    9th Sep 2019
    10:13pm
    Well the fools who voted for Morrison & his moronic colleagues against their self interest only have themselves to blame. They bought his hype, his hubris and his lies. Good luck cause you're going to need it with this ideological, anti human, ignorant bunch now in government.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    11th Sep 2019
    10:42am
    Best of the two evils.
    Ginaus
    10th Sep 2019
    3:04am
    Honestly, why are these b@stard politicians constantly on the pensioners back... for any reason.... the barging migrants get welfare for life- get rid of the politician pensions …… get off their backs... look around … no other country stuffs them around....
    Ginaus
    10th Sep 2019
    3:04am
    Honestly, why are these b@stard politicians constantly on the pensioners back... for any reason.... the barging migrants get welfare for life- get rid of the politician pensions …… get off their backs... look around … no other country stuffs them around....
    DINGOPOO
    10th Sep 2019
    8:38am
    Anyone on newstart should be given 4 weeks to find a job or face execution,same for people approaching pension age, at least we would know our death date.
    musicveg
    10th Sep 2019
    2:47pm
    What gets me is it is going to cost millions of dollars to set it up and this could be going to pensioners and Newstart recipients. But my biggest worry is they will be collecting your DNA, surely this must be illegal. Small business will suffer who cannot pay to be a part of cashless card and farmers markets where it is often cheaper to buy produce. Degrading, humiliating, nasty, and pathetic, picking on everyone who is receiving welfare where it is a small minority that is drug taking, and will they get all those zoned out on pharmaceuticals too? Opiods are a huge problem more so than illegal drugs. People who take illegal drugs are usually working or dealing in drugs, you cannot afford them on Newstart. This Government is just trying to help another big business make more money. Please everyone write to Jackie Lambi, she might have the last say in this decision.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    13th Sep 2019
    11:18am
    If people did the right thing then it would be unnecessary but those who think they can get away with it make it difficult for everyone. It may cost millions but with so much be recovered with robodebt then it will save many more millions than it costs.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    11th Sep 2019
    10:49am
    Just rang Centrelink and ask if my pension could go onto a welfare card instead of in the bank and was told it couldn't. What a bummer!
    Bling Bling
    13th Sep 2019
    11:09am
    I feel I have to agree with VCBB !!!! what's the BIG problem ... all I can see with most of the posts here is Bag the government !? Is that all you lot can do .... There are members of the public who are on welfare taking their entitlements and a tad more for good measure ... smug in the fact that they are getting away with it. Does that make it right ...NO! but you will always find some people are never happy with their lot and will try to rip off a few more dollars just for good measure. Be thankful Australia has a generous welfare system, other countries are not so accommodating. The cashless card is needed because of the misuse of the money. And CLARKEY ....what a delightful person you are with venom spewing from your mouth in the post 11.06am 9 Sept.2019
    musicveg
    13th Sep 2019
    1:15pm
    I like the photo of the dog, but not your comment, you are putting all welfare people in the same basket, most use the money to keep the economy going, paying rent, buying food, paying bills etc. The few that misuse money is very few,because alcohol, drugs and gambling take a lot more money and that usually results in more crime to get them. I wish people like you would talk direct to those who are struggling on Newstart, especially those who are over 50 and cannot get back into the work force but are forced to wait longer and longer for the pension, in the meantime many are spending their savings and superannuation which will see them even being more dependent on pensions in the future. Cashless card is unfair and makes it harder to make ends meet because you cannot spend at local markets or small business, all it does is help the bigger retail companies make more money. Even paying rent will be difficult. And yes people are fed up with this Government's inaction on the important things, while they talk about cashless card and drug testing they will be doing other things that are not in the media, it is all a distraction from what is really going on. And do they have the right to collect spending data and DNA from drug testing?