Older Aussies may not be exempt from proposed welfare changes

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Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s call for a national rollout of the cashless debit card will not only affect younger Australians, but also older Australians struggling to find employment in the years before qualifying for the Age Pension. They will also be caught up in the cashless card scheme and the proposed drug tests.

Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) policy director Jacqueline Phillips says the cashless debit card is unnecessary, expensive, stigmatising and impractical.

“It costs thousands per person to administer and many people feel humiliated when they have to pay with the card, especially in small towns,” she said in an AAP report.

“This can compound the sense of shame many people feel about being unemployed when they are doing all they can to find paid work in today’s competitive job market with one job available for every eight people looking.”

Senior federal Labor frontbencher Tony Burke is also concerned that the cashless debit card will make life harder for older Australians because it forces them away from small businesses that might offer cheaper prices than bigger outlets, according to SBS, and Labor has labelled the reintroduction of the bill as “mean and nasty”.

“Let me tell you a really quick local example as to how this cashless debit card creates real problems,” said Mr Burke.

“We already know all the challenges about the money provided through Newstart not being enough for people to be able to make ends meet.

“But the cashless debit card says you can only go to those [stores] who’ve signed up. So what does it mean? It means the Government will be forcing people away from small businesses to buy products at a higher price, to make it harder for people to make ends meet.”

Shadow spokeswoman for families and social services Linda Burney said the rollout would adversely affect the number of people over 55 who received Newstart, pointing out that that number had increased by more than 45 per cent over a five-year period under the Coalition.

“Older Australians experience particular difficulty in re-entering the workforce due to structural barriers and age discrimination,” she said.

Mr Burke said the plan would humiliate those people even further through drug testing.

“Walking into the office, having to urinate into a cup, having pieces of their hair plucked out, having to spit into a jar, and all of this for what?” he said.

“(Mr Morrison) thinks it’s a clever political battle with Labor. It won’t create a job, It humiliates people. It’s not a sensible policy.”

Do you think it’s fair that you would be subjected to a drug test and made part of the cashless debit card scheme?

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    The cashless debit card is degrading for any age group regardless of whether people use drugs or not. Administering the problem and conducting drug tests is expensive and futile especially as health services to treat people who have an addiction problem are just not available to most. In the long run it would be cheaper to raise unemployment benefits and provide more public service jobs in services such as Centrelink and welfare. The whole idea is a means by the Government to distract attention from our economy which is becoming increasingly woeful.

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      It may be but many abuse the purpose of welfare and leave their families and themselves in a poverty they should not be in.
      Bear in mind only 80% of payments are restricted to the essentials of life, which the card was always intended for. The rest can be spent as the user chooses.
      I’m over the ’embarrassment’ nonsense as its taxpayer money. Free money. Its not a gift which a caring society gives to those who need it.

      The second part to this whole saga is that we are seeing this government come after retirees yet again. Because politicians are on a different gravy train they don’t much care what they do to retirees who refuse to group together and fight the current malicious and destitute government. They deserve what they have gotten and its not over yet. The next big one is pushing the family home into the assets test. Despite claiming that’s not on the agenda we keep seeing regular bits from Grattan and other government funded outlets to know its coming.

      If you’re not happy with what is happening gold miner then don’t vote for the bastards again. You call!

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      Most people on welfare are now proud to be on welfare and a little degrading might just get them off welfare.

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      VCBB, that does not sound very caring. Why would people enjoy being on welfare? It is not a huge amount. It is not even a liveable amount. You cannot rent, eat, live on the amount!
      Imagine someone who is ill on $250 per week. How can they exist on that amount unless they receive support from family who are then contributing as well? You don’t know what this feels like until you or a loved one is in this position.

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      VeryCaringBigBear. Is that all you can answer with? Where did you get the figures that say people are proud to be on welfare? Where is the poll that tells us they said that? You are a typical right wing conservative (probably a lying lnp stooge or paid troll) moron who does not have a clue about just how tough people are traveling under this thieving lying lnp’s policies of humiliation and stigmatization. I wonder about your”type” and just how you would survive if in the same predicament? Even after having a go to get a go!

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      No Mick, you are seeing this Government going after welfare recipients “Newstart” that are on illicit drugs. If a few are in the older age bracket, so be it, your argument in favour of the scheme applies at whatever age, however, you, as always, have to somehow twist it to be an anti -NP issue.

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      MICK I thought you had it there for a moment. Your first paragraph was rather spot on.
      But as usual, you lost the plot and derailed yourself in your next paragraph. You did not let your readers down. Read the comment of Sceptic MICK, perhaps rather slowly if you are still having trouble comprehending.

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      We tend to ignore VCBB – such a schill…

      I suppose he thinks that pensioners given enough of a push will abandon their pension Rights…. strange way of thinking when they are drawing on that Right…

      Good to see his thinking is steadily aligning him with the Trebor Scheme….

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      VCBB = Verminous, Callous, Brutal Bastard. A typical lackey of the Lieberal Nasty Party.

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      On the contrary, Micks second paragraph hits the nail right on the head! We, but not me, voted for these dickheads. You reap what you sow.

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      It’s called Democracy.

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      VeryCaringBigBear.
      I think you need to change your name… you don’t appear to be very caring at all.
      NO ONE is happy being on Welfare payments…. I have no idea where you got that notion. It’s not easy to be made redundant in your early 60s and not be able to get a job. Newstart is not enough to buy food & rent… let alone tansport costs to get to those few interviews out of hundreds of jobs you apply for week after week… never getting an answer or knowing the minute you walk into the HR office, you’re deemed too old… over or under qualified. It’s totally demoralizing. You end up having to spend your savings & meagre super in order to survive.
      Not all of us had a high paying job that earned high super payments. Pull your head out!!!

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      I agree with you Gold Miner too expensive to run, and we do not have the rehabilitation centers to cope. What we will see is an increase in crime when they are cut off from welfare. The money should be spent on rehabiltation and help those first who are screaming out for help already and cannot find a place to go. This Government is so ignorant of what is really going on. The biggest drug taking is of opioids, pharmaceuticals and alcohol which kill and destroy lives and families are lot more than illegal drugs and there is not enough help for them either.

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    I am all in support on cashless debt card – you want taxpayer funded support then no drugs, gambling and alcohol/cigarettes. Don’t like it earn your own income and you can spend what you like on whatever you like.
    The early results suggests the initiative is working.

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      Straight from party hacks. The normal culprits selling the poison.

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      Exactly Mick. 100% right. bob menzies the REAL FACTs are that it is not working, the lies put out by murdoch and the lying thieving lnp are FAKE news. The reason the “card” is working in Hervey Bay and the other place is because most of the welfare recipients have moved out of the area to where the card is not used. The lnp use those figures to hoodwink the morons like you into believing it is working. You people are unbelievably frustrating when reading your diatribe of lies. The initiative is not working!

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      bob menzies
      – Does that go for retired politicians on extravagant parliamentary pension funded by taxpayers?
      – Will all retired politicians be forced onto the cashless card scheme and the proposed drug tests in order to control what they spend their pension on, alcohol, gambling, drugs and prostitutes?
      – Will all active state and federal MPs be subject to drug tests,sniffed by police dogs, mandatory strip searches, drugs and alcohol breathalyzer tests before they begin Question Time in parliaments?
      No?…Why not, why should they all be be exempt?

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      As my previous remarks Mick, one minute you are all in favour of the scheme and the next you have to be anti as one of your targets is in favour of it. Hypocrisy.

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      It certainly should do, Arvo, after all the majority of their pensions are paid exclusively by the taxpayers who didn’t agree to pay that money in the first place.

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      You’re not getting taxpayer funded support – you’re drawing on your Pension gights as put away for decades now… nobody’s fault but the government if they’ve thrown the till away while it was still full…

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      Too true, Triss – nobody voted for Politician’s Rights way over and above those of others… they did that for themselves.

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    This country is rapidly descending into a Fascist dictatorship with each successive PM being worst than the last. Now having drug tests for younger ones on the dole is one thing, (I’m not convinced that’s even a good thing) but the idea of testing us older age folk for drugs will be a step too far, and making us be part of the demeaning debit card system is quite frankly, reprehensible. Mark my words, it may come one day where even AOP’s will have to pass a drug test just to get what’s left of our pension. If anyone needs to be drug and alcohol tested it’s those sleazy no gooders in Parliament. We have one of the meanest, nastiest, and most stingy governments in the world controlling one of the harshest welfare systems in the world….lucky country?

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      That’s because the mentally challenged keep being conned by Murdoch and Stokes media propaganda campaigns. Why else did Australians re-elect a morally defunct government with no policies other than a money handout to the wealthy. Oh yes….the ‘Scotty’s a good bloke’ advertising campaign. It worked. Put in by the stupid who now complain at being savaged yet again.

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      Yep’ Both LNP and Labor are like the nazis. LNP got into power by lying, cheating, bullying, conniving !! Labor is like the guards in hogans heroes; bumbling idiots who lost the election by not being able to explain their objectives clearly etc.

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      @ Mick, the government was re-elected for one simple reason and it is well documented, Australians were unsure, and when they are unsure they don’t like change, so the Government stayed the same. People in general don’t like change, it’s that simple. If you talk to those who predicted the outcome, that was the reason they cited. Its all over the internet, you just have to look.

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      Most workers are now drug and alcohol tested and so should those on welfare.

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      No Ted. The government was elected because Labor was stupid and came after too many people with their franking credits changes. I was prepared to accept a loss of a few thousand dollars but others were not. And of course the top end of town got to keep their franking credits so it was unfair.
      Policies from this government? There was none other than tax cuts for those who were already rich and had zero need of more money in their bank accounts.

      You miss the right wing media orchestrated ‘Scotty’s a good bloke’ campaign. It was unfair, dishonest and relentless but won the day. What you got was a scare campaign which never focused on the huge debt this government had already run up and the lie of a “strong economy” which was already understood for the lie it was and is.

      I know who you back Ted but honest Australians with even a small amount of intelligence and a conscience could not have voted this lot back in. They did. Now we’ll all pay for that. Cheers

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      While I do not oppose a drug or alcohol Test for younger people able to work , I see it as outright degrading for people in the 70 + years , where it would also be difficult to tell the difference with many of the Doctors prescribed drugs these people are on .
      Generally there is absolutely no denying that Cash will get one the best deals or is this privilege now only for the rich ? The advanced age people also do not trust using Credit Cards , considering the scams and the confusion on just how much you are spending .The wife and I each make a Cash Withdrawal from the Bank and know how much we have and how much we spend or have spent . Simple arithmetic that would also be better for a lot of people not on welfare .

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      For those who don’t fully comprehend the meaning of fascism-

      Fascism is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century.

      National Socialism (also known as Nazi Germany) and in Australia. The National Socialist Party of Australia was a minor Australian neo-Nazi party that operated between 1967 and early 1970s. It was formed in 1967 as a more moderate breakaway from the Australian National Socialist Party. The NSPA was led by Ted Cawthron.
      https://www.abc.
      et.au/news/2019-01-17/a-history-of-nazis-and-the-far-right-in-australia/10713514

      Far Right in Australia- https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/03/cpac-how-australias-rightwing-speaking-circuit-went-from-pr-stunt-to-cash-cow

      In 1984, a moderate conservative in the Liberal Party disclosed that the far right in the Liberal Party was gaining a stronger voice and making stronger demands , we of course ,scoffed at the prospects of the far right reaching their aspirations but, here we are ,35 years later, being dictated to by by a bunch of far right lunatics.

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      I can’t believe it. You are being factual Arvo.
      Pretty well nails it. Poor old bob won’t have a bar of that though.

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      Hi Mick.. you have to be joking. The labor Party could not even cost out their very adventurous climate change policy. All Bill could say that the cost of not paying for his carbon emission targets would be higher than the cost of the policy but was totally unable to give an answer to how much that would cost. So people were mentally challenged for not voting for him.
      Then there was the dumb electric car policy, remember that little gem. he had no idea how much that was going to cost and he wasn’t sure how long it too to recharge a car. And people were mentally challenged not to vote for him. And then there was the discriminatory rises in child care workers the uncertainty on border protection and the people were all mentally challenged because Mr Palmer, who attacked both parties were responsible for criticising labor. I think I know who was mentally challenged.

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      Fascism is as Fascism does, suh, as they allus say down in Green Bow….

      When you look at the realities of current governance n theis nation, there are countless parallels with Hitler’s Germany – and let me remind you that Stalin’s Russia, for all its leftist populist bombast, was more Fascist and ‘right wing’ than Hitler’s Germany..

      I recommend a re-read of Will L Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall Of the Third Reich”…

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      William L Shirer – what the hell is wrong with this keyboard today?

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      Funkee, While I can agree with most of what you are saying. I think the crown for the ‘meanest, nastiest, and most stingy governments in the world’ must go to the UK one. They have been in austerity mode for over 8 years, but have only managed to quadruple the national debt during that time.
      The way it treats people on ANY benefits is absolutely shocking. It has caused a huge spike in suicides which I think the government should be held accountable for.

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    I am all in support on cashless debt card if you want me to pay for your spending then this my conditions. if they don’t like it then don’t have it.

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      Straight from party hacks. The normal culprits selling the poison.

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      I agree if you collect welfare you should be given a cashless debit card. If you want to spend money on what you want then simply earn it not just take it.

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      VCB-Does that apply to all retired politicians?

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      The easiest thing to do is to just quote the hypocrite Mick back to him, as Mick stated earlier on this subject, “It may be but many abuse the purpose of welfare and leave their families and themselves in a poverty they should not be in.
      Bear in mind only 80% of payments are restricted to the essentials of life, which the card was always intended for. The rest can be spent as the user chooses.
      I’m over the ’embarrassment’ nonsense as its taxpayer money. Free money. Its (sic) not a gift which a caring society gives to those who need it.”

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      I don’t agree with you, Gilbert. How many times do people like you have to be told before it sinks in that there aren’t as many job vacancies as there are people looking for a job. Also taking a section of the population and subjecting them to indignities that the rest of the population are not subjected to is a violation of their human rights. If you object to them getting a couple of dollars of your taxes wait until someone with a bit of spirit decides to fight back…you’ll be paying out more than a couple of dollars in compensation.

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      It is very sad when one can only say they left their pension card at home so many times. In the end they just give up and don’t go out with pensioners.

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      You starting to sound the same as OM Sceptic. I wonder why.

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      Well …………………. (wait for it… Wait For IT!)…… that means that Pensioners and Unemployment Benefit recipients are not included in any ‘cashless car syndrome.. for the simple reason that they are drawing Social Security, not ‘welfare’ … if they want ‘ welfare’ they can always go to Vinies or The Sallies or Li Feline… which they often do when in dire straits…

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      Damn – cashless card — who would be caught dead driving a cashless car? Probably got no roadworthy …

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      Just a question Gilbert & anyone else….
      How would anyone pay rent & transport costs to get to interviews while on the cashless card???

      These people have a hard enough time buying food, let alone anything else.

      I’m an aged Pensioner & I object to being drug tested… even though I don’t have a lot of medications. I worked for 50 years & paid my taxes. You can keep “your money” Gilbert.

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    The rot starts at the top, if welfare recipients have to do this, so should our politicians. Drug testing should include alcohol testing for our politicians as well as introducing a payback scheme for when politicians are caught roughting the system say for helicopter rides and excessive travel claims etc.

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      This issue is an intentional distraction which takes the gaze away from the woeful economy we have had shoved down our throats, the tax cuts for the wealthy and the fact that vested interests control our government.
      Call it any way you like Ted but we do not have a real government of any sort. Just a bunch of malicious MPs trying to install itself into a fascist dictatorship so that it can never be put out of power.

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      As but yesterday – if the ATO can track every movement of your bank account, there is no reason why they can’t track every movement of politician expense accounts and render a bill for cash unused in legitimate activity… and ensure that only legitimate costs are reimbursed….

      One rule for all… Let Right Be Done!!

      You’d think the way they put the Hounds of Hell on anyone who makes a mistake with their Colonel C’Link reporting, they’d be slavering like the Hound of The Baskervilles over getting back some of that lovely expense money never used – say – when staying with your missus in her flat in Cambra (Heart of A Nation)… or staying in a cheap hotel instead of the five star they’re paid for…. or house pooling with a bunch of their fellows…. or staying in the digs at the ADFA ….

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    I agree all those on welfare should be drug tested and given the welfare card.

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      You are obviously not on Newstart!

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      VCB-Does that apply to all retired politicians?

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      Taking a section of the population and subjecting the individuals in that section to the removal of their dignity and personal confidence will have a trickle down effect, people will feel less moral concern for them and will be less worried when they are treated badly…as you yourself have shown… and will contribute to the violation of their human rights.

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      Uncaring VCBB, watch this space as crime will accelerate at a pace that will be uncontrollable.
      Hope your home is fortified & you never leave the security of your compound as you will be targeted as one of the haves by the people you have made a have not.
      Revolutions in the past have been successful because people eventually get tired of being controlled by a few & eventually revolt.

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      People on Newstart will still get the same amount as will anyone else on a welfare payment regardless of age. They will still have 20% in cash. So what exactly is the problem? Most people now pay for most things by cards. This will be no different.

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      Yes, it will be different, KSS, and you know it. You just have emphasised what I wrote, a section of the population have had their dignity and personal confidence taken away from them by a demeaning card – which is very different from a bank credit card. You and others have accepted what the government tells you, they are inferior to you therefore you feel less moral concern for them and you’re not worried that they have had their human rights removed. Dehumanisation it is called.

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      the problem is KSS that you have now taken away an individuals choice, not just choice of what they can buy but where they can buy it.
      The government & people like you & others on this forum want control of the masses by taking away their freedom of choice.
      People like you who see someone using this card will not have any empathy towards them but will instantly conclude they as less than you & therefore to be looked down as an embarrassment on society.

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      I thought this article was more about drug testing not the cashless card, anyway both are going to cost taxpayers a lot more than even raising Newstart.

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    Soon they will be telling us which brand of toothpaste to buy? I am tired of being treated like a naughty child. I am a Carer not a “User” and I resent being painted with same brush as those who abuse welfare, create some jobs at Centrelink and Welfare to offer help to these people instead trying to control every aspect of their lives…I agree with you gold miner

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      I agree it is not fair just because a small minority is on drugs everyone is getting treated the same way, the fact is people on welfare cannot afford drugs, if addicted they steal and drug deal, and the whole implementation of this drug testing will cost taxpayers a lot more and they will be collecting everyone’s DNA! Is this legal?

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    I have been a Carer/Wife for my husband for the last ten years. I am now only 60 years old. When I am no long my husband’s “Carer” I will have to go on Newstart. If that situation is not bad enough. If I was told I had to submit to a drug test to get Newstart, which I would have to do voluntary work as a requirement as well, I think that would be the last straw.

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      and what happens when the last straw arrives? Nothing. The sun rises the next morning, we move on and do what we have to do.

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      That’s correct Farside , take the power of money (cash) away from the plebs and you have complete control over them.
      It’s similar to a husband depriving his wife of financial independence, hoard most of the income, do the shopping with the wife but control what she buys and how much is spent and structure the financial assets in the husband’s name and the wife has literally no where to go except, perhaps, to runaway to a women’s shelter with the hope that she can settle a divorce with their help.

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      yep, Arvo. You have to feel for women who find themselves in those circumstances. Nobody would wish more than those affected that they had chosen better spouses in the first instance and left as soon as they realised they had made a bad choice. Nevertheless they cannot rewrite history and must move on.

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      The politicians enforcing the welfare card….are like that husband…who feels for the welfare recipient?
      What is the benefit to the government in controlling how welfare cash is spent? There must be a benefit and the notion that it will get more people back into the workforce is very weak therefore it is a poor excuse for an undeclared (hidden agenda.
      One benefit could be that it will centralise the welfare funds to be drawn from one financial source, not necessarily a bank. Other benefits may include:
      -no need to distribute welfare funds to different banks
      -reduced finance management administration
      -less staff
      -benefit from the lag of withdrawing funds in one lump sum therefore resting balances earn the government a modest short term interest income

      Can you think of other benefits for the government?

      The downside for the government will be the cost of producing and distribution of the welfare cards, covering the cost of renewing lost or stolen welfare cards, or will they charge fees to the welfare recipients?

      Some of the downside for the welfare of recipients could be:
      – if supermarket Eftpos terminals suffer computer transaction crashes s as in recent times
      – if airlines do not accept them
      – if any retail stores, butcher shop, fish and chips store, coffee shops or restaurants do not accept them
      -if trades persons do not accept them
      -if retail stores that will accept welfare cards charge a fee for the waiting period to receive the funds into their trading bank account or they hike up their retail prices to cover the waiting period to receive trading funds
      -if Internet retail stores do not accept them
      if-mobile phone service providers don’t accept them

      Can you think of other downsides for the welfare recipient?

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      What about payment coming in from stores, supermarkets, etc if they want their snouts in this government manufactured gravy train? There will be kick backs along the way and the card holders will pay.

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      Except Arvo, no one is taking any money from anyone. Everyone will still get the same amount they had before and 20% still in cash. What is the problem?

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      We march on Canberra – March Or die!!

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      What about the taxpayer fundeed administration of The Card, a cost which runs into billions of freebie for some old Party mates?

      ICAC anyone? Just another one of these ‘business opportunities’ that just happened to fall the way of an old Party crony?

      No wonder there is no rush for a Federal ICAC with full powers…. and total independence (hold the laughter)…

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      As a taxpayer I can see a lot of downsides. Starting with the $10 000 pre card the Liberal/National Party that owns Indue will receive and it’s not a listed company I can buy. Who gets the drug testing contract and how much is that going to cost taxpayers?

      Drug testing has never worked and is a waste of money for the small % of those found needing medical help that doesn’t exist because of lack of Government funding.

      KSS how is the Newstart recipient to pay their share of house costs if living at home or in share housing? Will the 20% cash cover it or will they be forced onto the streets?

      The whole exercise is a distraction and designed to focus bullying on certain groups while rewarding other groups and encouraging bribery.

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    Why should the majority be punished because of people who drug addictcs, alcoholics and gamblers? I do not take drugs, only have alcohol at celebrations and only 1 glass as I drive. I am not a gambler. People with these problems should be assisted. Those looking for work should be retrained, apprentices should be available for the young and the not so young. Positive measures are helpful not punishing society in general.

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      Exactly Priscilla. Instead of the lnp cutting health services they should be getting to the bottom of the problem and helping the addicts get better so they could find work. IF THERE IS ANY WORK TO FIND that is. It is a minority on welfare not a majority who are sick and ill with addiction problems.

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      That’s a good post Priscilla. Precisely.
      The government could EASILY do this but refuses to do so. The end game appears more likely to be a game of tight control on those it can control. Those on benefits are the obvious starting point. That’s what dictatorships do and this lot keeps demonstrating that it IS in the the formation stage of exactly that.

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      Don’t think of it as a punishment Priscilla but as ensuring those who require support can be identified to provide them the assistance they require. Consider why we have random breath testing for drivers … the majority of those tested are cleared and move on with their day. As a society we have decided the inconvenience and cost for the privilege of being tested is a worthwhile exercise.

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      And, there’s your problem Priscilla., “…and only 1 glass as I drive” as you wrote in your post. You are not suppose to have any glass as you drive my dear, perhaps you need AAA? Phone number is in the first few pages of Yellow Pages.

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      Good post, Priscilla.

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      Agree – SO sick and tired of constant punishment, not reward. How do you train a dog or a horse? – by rewarding good behavior. So sick and tired of the majority being punished because of a small minority.

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      Two beers then home to hit the p1ss …. easy …..

      Might head to the bar fridge … **hiccup** … gedin whi’ the… th’ (hic) goin’sh good!

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    Aren’t the Liberal vermin who post here just so hateful of the poor and disadvantaged. I bet none know what it’s like to ever work hard in their lives. The world can do without these Liberal loving haters. What sad people they are.

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      100% CORRECT.

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      You may want to consider that some of the lovely folk you mention are paid trolls posting the government agenda. Softening people up for what is coming. I’ve been watching some of these people operate on this website for several years now. Wait until the next election cycle arrives. You’ll see them out in force peddling the party propaganda.

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      Mick, how do you know the trolls are paid to represent the government? I suspect those that you and others label as paid are simply expressing their opinions, however if that is not the case then where can one sign up to get one of these gigs?

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      Because they trot out the party line after it is announced to the masses. Even when its garbage or outright lies.
      I may get a few wrong but I think I have this crowd in my sights. Will call it out for what it is.
      Tell me we have a strong economy Farside? And the rest.

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      Well – it takes all kinds of fools to make the world, Mick – some young guy the other day trotted out the tired old line about ‘baby boomers are getting all these handouts’… gotta be dumb as dog guano …

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      Far from me to say we have a strong economy Mick. But for the mine accidents in Brazil we would already be feeling a bundle of hurt. I would still like to know where these paid jobs are for stirring the pot on YLC.

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