What are the Age Pension changes?

Debate is raging about the proposed changes to Age Pension legislation.

What are the Age Pension changes?

Debate is raging about the proposed changes to pension indexation and how this will affect those on the Age Pension. Yet still there is some confusion as to whether this legislation, if passed, will actually mean you receive a lower Age Pension payment. So, to help clarify what is being proposed, below is exactly what was announced in the 2014/15 Federal Budget.

Asset and income thresholds
The proposal is to suspend, for three years from 1 July 2017, the indexation of the asset and income levels, which are applied to Age Pension eligibility and payment rates assessment. So, as assets and income increase over time, there is a very real chance that they will exceed the non-indexed thresholds and result in a reduction in Age Pension payments.

Lowering of deeming thresholds
From 1 July 2017 it is proposed that the threshold for the lower deeming rate is reduced to $30,000 for singles and $50,000 for couples. This will result in investments being assessed as returning more income and therefore may result in a reduction in Age Pension payments.

Changes to Age Pension payment rates indexation
Possibly the change that will affect Age Pension payments the greatest, it is proposed that rates are indexed only to CPI, rather than the current method of benchmarking to the Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE) and including the Pensioner and Beneficiary Cost Index (PBLCI) in the indexation formula. It is estimated by the Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) that if the MTAWE and PBLCI had not been applied to pension indexation over the previous 10 years, then those on the Age Pension would be receiving $80 per week less than they are now.

Increase the Age Pension eligibility age
In a move, which could see Australians having to work longer, it is proposed that the age at which a person become eligible for the Age Pension will increase from 67 in 2023 to 70 by 2035.

You can find more details of the proposed changes by visiting APH.gov.au

Opinion: Now is your time to act
Just when you may have thought that all hope of stopping the changes to the Age Pension was lost and that pensioners could be worse off by $80 per week, an unexpected ally has stepped forward from the Liberal Party backbench. But it is unlikely that this will be enough to convince Tony Abbott that the proposed changes need to be reconsidered. So if you rely on, or will rely on, an Age Pension to fund your years in retirement, now is the time to consider if it will be sufficient to meet your needs and, if not, add your voice to those who have the ear of the Prime Minister.

As Drew blogged on Tuesday, a group of Liberal Party backbenchers have been lobbying the Prime Minister to reconsider the proposed changes to the Age Pension which are due to be gradually rolled out from 1 July 2017. Prompted by this news, GetUp has furthered our Protect the Pension campaign to enable you to contact your local Coalition MP and give him or her a powerful story from their constituency to share in the Coalition party room.

The power of this opportunity should not be underestimated. As we saw with the GP co-payment, which has now been scrapped and the Paid Parental Leave Scheme, which has been dropped in favour of a families package, the government will act when it is under no illusion that the voting public demand it does so.

Conveying your point of view is simple. All you have to do is visit the GetUp website to have your say. If you’re unsure whether or not a you are represented by a Coalition MP, type your postcode into the correct field, hit ‘enter’ and your MP’s name will be displayed. Then all you have to do is tell them your views on why the changes to legislation, which may result in a reduction in your Age Pension, should, or should not, be scrapped.





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    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    10:56am
    Just placed - once again - a Call to my MP who was not in the office.
    Promised he will call back.
    LENYJAC
    12th Mar 2015
    12:00pm
    PROMISED???HA HA HA
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    12:28pm
    LENYJAC
    I regularly (not regular enough though) talk to my MP and so we know one another.
    On these occasions, he gets educated on certain issues and is starting to understand "The Drill'.
    I know for sure he'll get back.
    moke
    12th Mar 2015
    5:07pm
    Hey Patriot please don't hold your breath, flowers are expensive
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    12:35pm
    Go to local Police Station and record he may be missing ??????we had one over here some years ago who was never there for the people not even a fone clerk....he was found later on to be in country of origin building Holiday Flats and hurring it all along I suppose while he wasn't found out...for the upcoming holiday season...he eventually got jail time and chucked out of his constituency
    Kaye Fallick
    12th Mar 2015
    11:21am
    Well done Patriot - it's easy for all of us to bemoan government policy but actuall doing something is impressive
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    12:24pm
    Kaye,
    I thank Debbie for reminding & motivation me! Its so easy to become inactive & “Just complain”.

    We are "Far Past the point" of discussing issues amongst ourselves! We can clearly & Conclusively prove that this is "Not providing ANY Palatable results". Just look at the past DECADE of erosion of our personal Dignity & Freedom! Just look at the "mess we're in Collectively"!
    Just look at the constant POLITICAL pressure - from continuously different & varying angles - as it is applied to introduce Draconian Measures.
    THEY KNOW that "Every time they “try to breach”, OUR defence against our Dignity & Freedom is just marginally erodes.
    The old saying of how to eat an elephant is very true: "You eat an elephant in SMALL BITES".
    Or the old saying accredited to Hitler: “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be ultimately believed.”

    What is happening around us is PLAINLY EVIL (and that from a non-religious person). At 69 I'v had a "Fair bite of the cherry" and many would say: "She'll be right mate" at your age, Just "Ride it Out". However, there is MUCH more in the game than just me. There is a whole civilisation dependent on the outcomes of many happenings around the world. Events & Lies very similar - if not identical - to our situation. After all, we are ALL ONE

    There are not only the Australian Diggers that made the Ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom but we need to go back much further to the era of the early 13th century. The signing of THE FOUNDATIONS of our (now severely eroded) freedom was not obtained without much "Hardship & Bloodshed" and I refer to:

    1 Magna Carta - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
    2 Heabius Corpus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
    3 Charter of the Forest - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_Forest

    Our Legal System has currently been infiltrated to such an extent that the above 3 "Enshrinements of our Personal Freedoms & Liberties" are barely recognised & Understood! LEAST ARE THEY APPLIED!!!

    As I said a few days ago, when the time comes - and it is not far away - that they call us slave to our face, I can Look the younger generation "straight-in-the-eye" and honestly say that "I did all I could".

    When- finally - I pay the Ferryman to get across the Styx river (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_%28mythology%29), I have a "Clear Conscious & Know that I did not sit Idly by and Watch it all happen.
    Oldie84
    12th Mar 2015
    3:06pm
    Now you've done it, Kaye !!!!!!!
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:10pm
    Kaye.. baby! You think the politicians don't have flunkies looking at sites like this? That's where they get their pulse of the people for real. I've seen my very own words expressed on another forum come up in a policy statement.

    Every day is a day spent combatting these twerps who are ruining this country.
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    12:46pm
    Pollies get huge amounts of peoples views from this site and others.....but there is only so much can be done with what in your purse......most these days are living well above their incomes...and expect all the time she.ll be right and for others to bail em out...in almost all families I see these things happening......the days llike my Dad used to tell me where he saved three thousand pounds to retire three years earlier are long gone.....that probably took him many years his income was about 90 pounds a week average in 40.s..gee people were so much happier with their lot in those days UK He retired @62 and had ten years of complete relaxation and happiness with Mum,,Mum never worked he didn't like her to work.......they put me thru private school and I won scholarships too but never had wardrobes of clothes...she taught me to manage and remember family comes first and love each other.......
    Travellersjoy
    12th Mar 2015
    12:20pm
    I have already contacted my MP so he is well aware of the issues and is supportive.
    LiveItUp
    12th Mar 2015
    2:13pm
    I have contacted my MP and said that I support the proposed changes and that people's houses should be included in the assets test. I also suggest that people paid a pension should have it deducted from their assets when they die.
    Anonymous
    12th Mar 2015
    3:05pm
    You are spot on with that Bonny and I think everyone should agree.
    Anonymous
    12th Mar 2015
    3:05pm
    You are spot on with that Bonny and I think everyone should agree.
    PlanB
    12th Mar 2015
    3:43pm
    I do not agree that the home should be included in assets
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:21pm
    They can Share My Outside Dunny amongst themselves !! :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Mar 2015
    4:24pm
    That means you can have a million dollar home or more and still get the pension that is so wrong
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:29pm
    ROBO My Butler said that too ! The Hide of Him ! :-(
    Anonymous
    12th Mar 2015
    4:37pm
    I have thought this for ages that people who have huge amounts invested in their homes should pay a percentage back to the government for the pension they had during their retirement years. I think that is only fair.

    Know of sons paying the rates,and other outcoming on large homes worth millions so that Mummy can get a pension but when she dies they get the inheritance.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:44pm
    Radish (F) That's Common !! I know some that don't pay a Single Bill !! And have the Hide to say " I don't know how You cant live on the Pension ?" :-(
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:15pm
    Bonny - you think people ahve no entitlement to a pension? Please explain why you think this in view of the undeniable fact that a significatn prortion of tax has been for pensions throughout the life of the contributor.

    Maybe the ONLY solution here is to have that amount set aside in a dedicated fund instead of vanishing into consolidated revenue and becoming the plaything of ideologists of either side.

    I've long been an advocate of dedicated accounts as opposed to consolidated revenue, from which latter the pollies draw at whim for whatever grabs them at any given moment.

    Dedicated accounts would ensure honesty in government and would to some extent dictate their policies to benefit the contributors.

    I suppose in Communist Russia or Nazi Germany a person could pay back a pension to the State that has utilised their labour and efforts in every way for a half century or so - under the delusion that all property belongs to the State etc.

    Brilliant work there.

    Stamped refused.
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:19pm
    Robo - you ARE aware that by the time Smokin' Joe's 'million dollar homes' are a reality, ALL homes will be worth a million dollars? and that means that every pensioner will take a cut....

    Think ahead lad. I was earning $100k in 1992 - that equates to $260k or so now and could buy a house in Sydney for $180k... twenty years and a tiny bit. NJow that same house would cost at least $750k.

    How long before ALL houses are over $1m?

    Think ahead, people.
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    8:21pm
    TREBOR
    Got it sorted In One!
    Anonymous
    14th Mar 2015
    7:45am
    When I die I would not care if my home was sold and the government paid back for the money they gave me while alive.
    PlanB
    14th Mar 2015
    8:01am
    All homes go up in value, you can have a home for a long time that you paid a small amount for but over the years it has gained value, there would be something VERY wrong if it did not gain value -- quite a lot of value! Does that mean that you should be penalised for that when you worked your butt off to pay for it and own it --- AND paid taxes all your working life to get a pension.
    PlanB
    14th Mar 2015
    8:03am
    Robo, it doesn't take much these days for a home to be worth a Million $$$ either
    MITZY
    14th Mar 2015
    10:01am
    The expected median price for first home buyers and others by mid next year is expected to be $1 million in Sydney and surrounds (i.e. the West). Of course there won't be anybody on salary and wages able to afford to buy one, so it will be a case of the rich outbidding each other at auctions and charging what they like as they build their rental properties.
    particolor
    14th Mar 2015
    2:32pm
    Try Outbidding the Chines at the Auction its Fun !! :-) :-) :-) Then walk away ! :-)
    When the Price gets Humongous !! :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    14th Mar 2015
    9:56pm
    Particolor - you're not suggesting we should all go to auctions and bid until the price is astronomical and make the foreign investor pay well over the mark for it, are you? (LMO emoticon)
    particolor
    15th Mar 2015
    9:12am
    Don't get Mad ! Get Even !! :-) You'll enjoy the Excursion !! :-) But like Kenny Rogers ... Know when to Fold Up, Know When to Run !! :-)
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    3:05pm
    My Mother when widowed and a home owner or was an estate owner lololol had three pensions and she never worked.....Father had a non contributory pension from his company...why don`t they do that now????sand always kept up to the cost of living rates.....then she had a widows pension for a certain length of time and then the National Pension even the Queen could have......she had him insured too Life insurance.......they managed extremely well in fact more than when they younger...as he said to me you need very little to live on after 60 years old...and they ran a car and had holidays every year...where has it all gone wrong...I manage too on a modest income maybe I was a part pensioner once but cost of living changed that now and I get full pension for a single and my stipend from UK from hubbys working years as he greater wage earner til the time we came here
    Tigers
    12th Mar 2015
    12:34pm
    Our political representatives, regardless of party, are elected to represent their constituents and the general consensus of our opinions. None do, I wonder why?
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    12:46pm
    Tigers
    They are "Driven & Programmed" by the "Party Machine"!
    The party Machine is Controlled by forces that "Don't give a Rats" about us"
    They have motives like: One World Governments, Re-introducing the Feudal Systems and - in general - TOTAL CONTROL of the resources of the planet.
    And don't be mistaken, "WE - The People - are just another Resource".
    gilstamp
    12th Mar 2015
    2:43pm
    Patriot, I have been observing this as well. This historic trend has been like boiling the oblivious frog by gradually increasing the temperature of the water. Was it President Roosevelt who said that the real government is composed of insidious and self-interested groups behind the scenes and that the goal of democratic administration is to uncover and cleanse the system of their influence. That was in 1906, I think. Just look at how this has continued unabated ever since and how those forces which promoted globalisation in his day prompted the First World War (as historians have described) and now are doing the same with similar disruptive effects to worldwide patterns of commerce and the living patterns of many civilisations. They have the political parties in their pockets, particularly in the USA, and this useless bunch of yes-men are pursuing their goals quite transparently to concentrate wealth and deny the populace any flexibility in lifestyle, in fact to be the serfs of oligarchy, as you have observed.
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:22pm
    Spot on, PATRIOT. many say that labour is just another commodity and we should be all applying for our jobs on a One World Market.

    How do you reckon you'll stand a chance getting a $10 a week job in India and commuting?

    THAT is the stark reality of the One World Economy when it is reduced to such insanities as 'labour is just another commodity in the world market'.

    BTW - how do those business who gain so much from our labour rates of pay expect to flourish when that is gone?

    Think ahead, people - I don;t know about you but I have grand-children and I want a better life for them for all my hard work and pain etc.
    KSS
    12th Mar 2015
    1:02pm
    Yet another poorly written article. To say that pensioners will be $80 a week worse off than they are today is totally wrong. Even in this article the past is being confused with the future. Pensions will continue to rise under the current proposal just at a slower rate. The current single person's pension is $854.30 and a couple's $644 a fortnight. The changes do not mean that a single person will in future receive $774 or couples $564 a fortnight from 2017. No-one can guarantee an income rise not even for those in the workforce - I have not received a pay rise in almost 5 years - pensions have gone up in that time! And they will continue to rise after 2017 - you will not receive less than now.

    Further if you are receiving an income of $30000 for a single or $50000 per couple then why should you also receive a government pension given you are already earning more? The pension is meant to be a safety net for those who need it, not a top-up to maintain an indulgent lifestyle.

    And lastly, what difference does it make whether your MP is Liberal, Labor, Green or Independent? If you want to make representation do it regardless of the party involved. No point in only targeting the Liberal MPs is there?

    If there's to be calls made to MPs, signatures on petitions and horses frightened in the streets, then at least fight on the truth rather than misinformation, disinformation and exaggerations.
    Kaye Fallick
    12th Mar 2015
    1:30pm
    Hi KSS, many thnaks for your comments - and why not talk to all MPs indeed - great idea. Just a note, though, that the $80 worse off estimation is quoted form the Australian Council of Social Security calculations, and supported by COTA Australia, so we do believe this is an accurate estimation of the change to pensions if the new indexation legislation is passed. We're not in the business of peddling misinformation and do try to check our facts with relevant authorities before publishing. rgds Kaye
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    1:32pm
    Yep sent it to all parties in my electorate.
    KSS
    12th Mar 2015
    1:41pm
    Kaye according to the article:
    " It is estimated by the Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) that if the MTAWE and PBLCI had not been applied to pension indexation over the previous 10 years, then those on the Age Pension would be receiving $80 per week less than they are now."

    The $80 deficit mentioned relates to today's pension based on the last 10 years had the changes been implemented then! Not to the future! It has no baring on the proposed future changes. The fact is the pension will continue to rise, just at a different rate.
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    1:56pm
    Figures released over the weekend by Australian National University show that Mr Abbott's planned cuts would drive the age pension down from 28% of average weekly earnings to a shocking 16% by 2055. Australia hasn't seen the pension below 20% of average earnings since 1965.

    These cuts will hit full, single age pensioners the hardest, the majority of whom are women with no superannuation – individuals already living below the poverty line. Once again, this Government is placing the Budget burden on those least able to afford it.

    It's evident the backbench is readying itself for a big push against pension cuts, with one backbencher telling reporters yesterday, "I will certainly be putting the case of my many pensioners to the party room and to the prime minister". 3 With Mr Abbott already stepping on eggshells and eager to please, now's the moment to add fuel to backbench's fire.

    Will you write to your Coalition MP, to give them the powerful constituent stories they need to make a compelling case in the party room?
    References
    [1] - Liberal MP Andrew Laming says missiles and 'torpedoes' aimed at Abbott's pension policy, ABC News, 9 March 2015.
    [2] - PM shifts on age pension time bomb, The Australian, 7 March 2015.
    [3] - Second Liberal backbencher warns Coalition about age pension policy, The Guardian, 10 March 2015.
    [4] - Liberal MP Andrew Laming says missiles and 'torpedoes' aimed at Abbott's pension policy, ABC News, 9 March 2015
    Bes
    12th Mar 2015
    2:02pm
    Everyone of pension age and receiving a full government pension (apart from retired MP's, or cash payment) is allowed to earn $6500.00 per annum.
    The TOTAL sum being government pension + $6500.00 allowed earnings.
    Any further earnings above this Threshold, via employment, investment, rental income etc and which breaches the earnings threshold is then classed as INCOME or unearned INCOME and is compelled by law for the provision of a tax return to the Australian Tax Office.

    To make any difference at a personal level and/or collectively it is best to notify the government in power as they are the party who's policies, plans and decisions directly affect you.
    They then take into account the number of perceived lost votes most likely at election.
    Sceptic
    12th Mar 2015
    2:19pm
    Just a correction KSS. the $30K and $50K deeming rates are applied to cash assets and investments, not income unless it becomes part of investments or cash at bank. As an example due to the increase in value in February this year of my modest investment in my allocated pension, due to a rise ins share values, my part pension decreased at the time of the announcement of pension increase. I am not complaining as my assets did in fact increase. But, of course, would only be money in my pocket if I "cashed out" the shares.

    This all goes, of course, to emphasise that it is dangerous to generalise, either in Kaye's comments, Government announcements or the posters on this site.
    KSS
    12th Mar 2015
    2:40pm
    Kato by 2055 i.e. in 40 years time, there should be very few people depending on a Government pension! That is if they take action now to save for their own pensions as we are expected to do.
    gilstamp
    12th Mar 2015
    2:51pm
    KSS, if superannuation in the current generation is going to reduce their dependence on the government aged pension to minimal levels, why then is this government using these projections to support their frenzied attack on government expenditure?
    Oldie84
    12th Mar 2015
    3:16pm
    I simply love this debate with all its figures and projections. I take all these statements with a grain of salt. Everyone cherry-picks to suit their arguments. Kaye believes COTA etal. Others believe the opposite. Early in my career I had a boss who quoted statistics on how the business was running according to his mood. He could use the same numbers to show we were cruising, going broke or doing very well. Ever since I twigged to this I've become a sceptic. :-)
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    3:41pm
    I do not disagree with you KSS re the forty years time. The only problem with that is the Generations of welfare recipients and there children who are following them. The Howard Gov't baby bonus was good in some areas but in the welfare generations it was not. And I have no doubt that Labour would have introduced the same thing.
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    7:03pm
    KSS,
    If a different "Mode of Indexing" is not going to make a difference/(savinf for the Govt.) (as you seem to suggest) why bother changing it?
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:25pm
    Patriot got it right again. If the change is meaningless - why bother to do it at all? I've earned my pension in many, many ways.. and let me tell you - it is inadequate compensation for putting up with the shenanigans of countless twerps of politicians for decades now.
    eggles01
    12th May 2015
    1:16pm
    KSS
    PAUL KEATING PUT IN PLACE THE 25% OF THE MTAWE AS A BACKUP PLAN FOR WHEN THE WAGE INCREASES OUTFLANKED THE CPI THUS KEEPING THE PENSION ON A LIVABLE AMOUNT THEN THE JULIAR RUDD GOVERNMENT RAISED THE MTAWE PERCENTAGE RATE TO 27.7% THE STORY YOU ARE COMMENTING ABOUT TOOK IN THE FACT THAT THEIR WAS A LOT OF OUR INCREASES WERE PAID BY THE PERCENTAGE OF THE MTAWE AND IF THAT MTAWE WAS NOT THERE WE WOULD HAVE ONLY RECEIVED THE INCREASES VIA THE CPI AND IF THAT WAS THE ONLY OPTION WE WOULD BE SHORT OF THE $80 THAT THE ACOSS IS REFERRING TO
    Kactus
    12th Mar 2015
    1:04pm
    What about the changes referred to in questions 2 & 14 on Centrelink's "Details of income stream product" form SA330.1412?
    These questions relate to income streams which change after 1/1/2015.
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:27pm
    Twice I've seen this reference.. please supply a link.
    Kactus
    13th Mar 2015
    8:51am
    TREBOR,

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/forms/sa330

    You have to download the pdf.

    I was hoping that the author, of the above article, would provide more information.
    TREBOR
    14th Mar 2015
    9:58pm
    Merci.
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    3:10pm
    Kactus...were you suffering in pain when you put that pic up...I suppose you would be a handsome looking man or scared witless lol
    dougie
    12th Mar 2015
    1:19pm
    I beat you all by three days and I have heard back. I asked that the message be passed on to Scott Morrison. As I said earlier in the week "make them aware as fear is a good weapon>" Their fear is loss of their seat. Fortunately our local member is not a secure seat so he fears more than some.
    Speak out all and become our own movement of the grey headed voters!
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:17pm
    Good on ye Dougie
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:28pm
    I agree - a proper party of those old enough to know the difference.
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    1:32pm
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook44p/RetirementIncomes
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    4:15pm
    Kato,
    Thanks for that.
    From these DATA is is very clear that Kaye's postulation & interpretation ACOSS figures of the FACTS is very "Close the the Mark" if not "Spot On".
    They are CERTAINLY trying to "Rip Us Off".
    Mak
    12th Mar 2015
    1:48pm
    2023 increasing to 2035 is when people will have to work until aged 70.
    I doubt that if Australia continues giving manufacturing, call centres and most everything else which needs employees, to Asia, then almost everyone will be unemployed long before the age of 60.
    If we went back to producing everything we need for the great lifestyle we used to enjoy, people could retire at 55 with the ongoing improvement in robotics.
    This was said in a comment when robotics first appeared in 1973 to displace humans on a production line, how wonderful, now we work longer hours in far less secure jobs with a killer mortgage because developers are not interested in simple 'triple-fronted brick veneer' first homes, easily affordable for young married couples and mum can spend more time with the children.
    Australia is being decimated thanks to Whitlam for signing The Lima Agreement, Hawke and Keating kissing UN members' feet by increasing to 70% of manufacturing GIVEN to Asia.
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    4:25pm
    Mak,
    Love the Avatar !!!
    I agree with the remarks you post for labour.
    However, if the Policies for the LNP were NOT THE SAME they certainly would have reversed them when they were in government inbetween Labour sessions!?
    LNP is discussing the Trans Pacific Trade Agreement at the moment. I have disparched TWO letters in relation to this to my won and the MP negotiating (being told how it will happen) deal!!!
    If this TPTA is signed, Global (American) corporation will be able to SUE the Aust Government if/when The CORP feels that its sales in Australia are negatively impacted by limitations placed on claims &/or advertising for its products.
    Like Phillip Morris is sueing us already as it claims sales for its smokes are "driven Down" due to the FORCED Health Warnings (because of Aust. Legislation) (legal requirements) on the packets.
    ALL POLITICAL Parties ARE TO BLAME!!!
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:53pm
    They should give Phillip Morris half the TAX they get on them and they would still get a Motza !! :-)
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:30pm
    Absolutely correct, Mak - technology was supposed to give us more 'leisure time' - but it was not supposed to be leisure time due to un and under-employment.

    Ambushed by the petty profit motive of the self-appointed few again....
    pate
    12th Mar 2015
    3:19pm
    it is time they (Joe & Tony) realised tht pensioners are treated the same as anybpdy else as far as the banks go I cannot get anymore than about 2% interest on my money unless I have over $100.000 and there are not too many who would have that much sitting around.
    Nan Norma
    17th Mar 2015
    5:43pm
    The Bank of Qld and the CAB are paying the deeming rates. Suncorp stopped some months back.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    3:31pm
    Dear Mr Tony .. You move out the Never Never and live in our Whirly for Life Style Choice and We move into Kirribilli House ? DEAL ? :-)
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    3:49pm
    Particolor Tony and Chrisie Pyne did a quick no return boomerang visit up North.
    Everyone couldn't get over the brand new blue shirts' Trousers and boots let alone the Hats.
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    3:54pm
    They didn't leave any shiny beads though.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:17pm
    Axe Heads and Shells are no longer Legal Tender !! :-(
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:34pm
    At least Peter Minuit paid 60 guilders in goods for Manhattan. Settlers here paid the locals in lead in many cases.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    8:57pm
    And the Yanks sure did get them Ruskies for Alaska !! :-)
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    11:49am
    I'm open to suggestions of what to do with the $1.70 ??
    And do You think they are trying to tell us something ??..
    professori_au
    12th Mar 2015
    3:52pm
    With a proposal that will result undoubtedly in a reduction of the aged pension will require older people to work longer to survive begs the question where does this liberal government consider jobs that are able to be accessed by older people. What is going to happen to those whose health is deteriorating. Does Abbott and co. intend to apply the same conditions for parliamentarians or will they apply only to the most vulnerable in our society.
    Soon pensioners will not be able to afford even a home. Will they be looked after or will they become homeless. You think I am being pessimistic. Well consider this case. It is one among many I hear of quite regularly. An aged pensioner (77 year old) was facing losing his home, where he and his wife reared family. They had purchased the home when it was probably only a few thousand dollars. It has now increased in value towards a million dollars. I would argue that the value of the home is what was paid for it plus whatever improvements had been made to it; not the value created by developers, councils or investors, until it came to the time of selling then it would be valued at that time according to market conditions. Who makes the property values? Real estate agencies. They will set a price that the property will not be sold under, hence any prospective buyer must pay that price. Developers who buy large development properties and build and set prices these properties will sell for; in conjunction with councils. Councils have a vested interest in valuing at the highest price as it allows these trading corporations to extort higher rates. Valuations after some research has been found to be set by unqualified valuers and is not on the value of your property but on the value of other people's property, hence it become an inflated value. Now back to the case aforementioned. This pensioner was unable to pay the inflated rates so council was going to go to court to take the home for non payment of the rates and charged. I was contacted and asked whether there was some way to assist him. My recommendation was to use the invalid 1989 Victorian local government act against the council as it was their own law. S170 has provision to have the debt waived because of financial difficulties. I sent a copy of the Act and said that if council denied it existed then show them the section and state they were obliged to provide the necessary forms. The weakness in the act is that the manager in charge of the rates, etc., also made a decision of whether to approve it or not. If that happened apply to VCAT. VCAT cab only make a decision according to law and it is likely to decide in favour of the application unless there are other issues involved. Initially council denied such a section existed until the manager was shown a copy and advised he must comply with the "law". Council eventually complied and withdrew court action and the pensioner was able to remain in the family home. This advice has been given to other people from different councils. some have tried to deny its existence others have realised or had know about it and advised their ratepayer accordingly. Conclusion remedy is available but you need to know as it is not promoted.
    We have other issues involving the validity of trading corporations posing as councils and acting as a third tier of government, that are becoming public and no doubt will have to be resolved in the High Courts. Under the commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901 local government has no standing except as a department of the state, i.e. We have only two tiers of government; State and Federal. These trading corporations are just that; without authority of governance; law making; taxing, etc. They are not a government department and at best can only be regarded as a depot or agency of the Local Government Department of the State, despite, (in Victoria) parliament acting without authority and creating a false Victorian 1975 Victorian constitution and using it to create another invalid act called the 1989 local government act where it gave these trading corporations authority as a third tier of government. S109 of the Commonwealth Constitution says that when a state law is inconsistent with the Commonwealth, the Commonwealth prevails to the extent of the inconsistency. This is also substantiated by the 1974 and 1988 referendums, where a cleverly phrased referendum asking the people whether they wanted local government included in the Constitution. Fortunately the people rejected the concept. However, it is interesting to consider the concept. Why would vested interests want the local government recognised in the Constitution when it is already recognised as a department of the state. I believe that by recognising local government in the constitution was intended to pave the way to legitimise it as third tier of government with authority for governance; law-making; taxing and so on. Why would you want to do that. We already have Federal taxes; state taxes, which are for the purpose of providing public services. This is just another level of revenue generation where the public is treated as the milch cow for vested interests. Read your constitution and research how rogue parliaments are misbehaving. God help us if we allow another level.
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:14pm
    professori_au

    I agree with the facts you present. They show us the “Dreadful State” the Australian Democracy (if there is any left) is in.

    VOTING:
    I refer to the following booklet by the name “Thy will be Done”.
    The author was (when alive) a Senator for the Seat of Griffith on the Darling Downs in Queensland. He also LOVED our Constitution and was Qualified & Authoritative Analyst of this document. During his time in Government he REMAINED a TRUE People's Representative and never made the (de)grade to become a POLITICIAN.
    On Page THREE of this booklet he “Clearly Outlines” HOW TO Vote in order to avoid voting for a candidate that is not liked or to prevent distribution of your votes towards preferences!
    He certainly agrees that Political Parties are ILLEGAL under the (now Hijacked) Australian Constitution.

    CITIZENS REFERENDUM
    I agree with you that we NEED to ABANDON Political Parties rather than CREATE ANOTHER ONE! We need a DIRECT DEMOCRACY that allows OUR DIRECT CONFRIBUTION!!!
    We also need to be able to SACK ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES who are not performing with the “Best interest of Australia” as a first Priority. Voting “Along Party Lines” Is ILLEGAL and should be classified as insubordination with rewards applied as appropriate for these actions.

    Section 128 of our Constitution provides for the Application of Citizens Initiated Referendum. HOWEVER, it can ONLY be launched by our POLITICIANS. We CANNOT !!!!!! Some Democracy.
    For a long time CIR was NO: 1 item on the Labour Policy platform but Don Dunstan suggested that “we did not know what we were doing” and initiated its (successful) removal!!!!

    During the 1980s Professor Geoffrey DeQ Walker (then Dean of the Law Faculty of Saint Lucia University), released a book called “The People's Law” which outlines the Mechanisms of the “DIRECT DEMOCRACY” process and also analyses the referendums as held in Australia since Federation. He finds (opposite to the claim made by Politicians) that were have been quite smart in order to have our Constitution NOT Circumnavigated by “Power Hungry Politicians”.
    So – most likely – we (collectively) are not quite as STUPID as Pollies like to make us believe!!!
    Prof. Walker's work “Sets Out” the mechanisms for us to be able to Control our politicians, Sack those who do not perform in our interest and reverse existing Legislation! The possibilities are endless!!!

    SHIRES & COUNCILS
    In accordance with the Australian Constitution, Councils & Shires are NOT “Recognised as Governments” and they MUST not even think they are! WE THE PEOPLE have voted against changes in the Australian Constitution TWICE (to allow Shires & Councils to be recognised as Govt.)

    Sections 51 and 52 of the Constitution and from the Constitutional Commission (1985 – 1988) report that the power of taxation is held exclusively by the Federal Parliament.

    I quote the following: “ . . . . . . . . The Courts of Australia have long held that council rates are a tax. The High Court ruled that State Government could not raise any tax. Local Government is subordinate to State Government. Furthermore, John Howard, Peter Costello and Michael Carmody all stated before the introduction of the illegal GST (Goods and Services Tax), “Local Government Council Rates will attract no GST because Council Rates are a tax and we cannot tax a tax.” Under the Australian Constitution, the Parliament of the States do not have the power of taxation. Only the Federal Government can enforce taxation. . . . . . “

    State & Federal Governments are there to FUND Shires/Councils. This was how it used to be and before they “Slowly & Surely” convinced us (via coercion) to “Pay our Rates or ELSE).

    So, whilst we are lead to believe that we MUST pay our rates, the lack of (applied) GST confirms (in combination with the above quote) that RATES ARE ILLEGAL.
    Try not paying them though and see what happens!!!

    CONCLUSION
    Parliament House in Canberra Has been Hijacked by a “Bunch of Criminals” who are holding – us The People – hostage. We, for a long time, have “Gone Along” with their coercion and it is TIME TO STOP being so easy the get along with.
    NOW OR NEVER!!!

    (Download links should be copied without brackets)

    The People's Law (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cis.org.au%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fpolicy-monographs%2Fpm-10.pdf&ei=0yoBVdmYA4Kl8AWaj4GoCA&usg=AFQjCNHBSKQ7DTco5W0oNl_2JKO9WP92sQ&sig2=1mrMzEVoAztIK-zQxwagyA&bvm=bv.87920726,d.dGc)

    Australian Constitution (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftruth-now.net%2Fpdf-downloads%2F&ei=rzIBVam_Bsf98AXg3IKgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGQbLqc1zmI35ZfkmdEJwSkw902xw&sig2=sYQqH2THpTrfbRkDmGGIbA&bvm=bv.87920726,d.dGc)

    Thy will be done (http://larryhannigan.com/your_will_be_done.htm)

    Council Rates are Illegal in Australia (http://www.truthology.org.au/index.php/posts/346-council-rates-are-illegal-in-australia)
    PlanB
    12th Mar 2015
    3:53pm
    This Government has become a Fascist lot and sneaky as all hell, say one thing and mean another, they are doing things via the back door -- we need another Party and need to do away with preferential voting too.

    Can anyone give there opinion on what happens if a person tears up their voting paper --does the vote go to the standing party? --I mean benefit the standing party?
    I have had discussions on this and different people give different answers, I would hate to waste my vote but quite a few reckon they will tear their's up this time
    professori_au
    12th Mar 2015
    4:05pm
    I agree in principle. However, let me make this point. Under the Commonwealth constitution there is no provision fro political parties. What do we have? Political parties high jacking lawful government. With a corrupt electoral system designed to favour political factions you do not necessarily get to vote for the person of choice. You get to vote as per the faction's choice. this is further acerbated with the preferential system that allows the factions to further bias the vote. Consequently I do not believe we need another party. We need to return to a parliament of candidates elected to carry out the will of the people; accountable to their constituents and if they are not we need to be able to sack them and replace them with someone who will carry out our will and not some political faction. The political factions have sold us out and have allowed the vested interests of a foreign power to take government.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    5:19pm
    If You tear up Your Voting Paper that is just One Vote that either Party doesn't get !! But some people say that is just a Vote for the Incumbent Party as Your Non Vote is not a Vote for the Opposition !! THERE !! :-)
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:19pm
    particolor, Why vote for POISON ???
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    8:35pm
    That is Not What I said ! I was an explanation of Tearing up Your Ballot Paper !!
    And I don't care Who You vote for nowadays You are still going to get POISONED !! :-(
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:38pm
    Reducing their salaries to $50k a year and providing only refunds on expenditures legitimate would be a start. That would drive many out immediately, and leave only those interested in doing the job for real.

    It's a start.. and don't try to kid me that the current crop of clowns have the experience and the expertise.... results speak differently.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    8:51pm
    Anyhow What's the Choice now ? Getting Poisoned by a Political Party or Your Head chopped off by a Space Invader ? :-(
    wally
    18th Mar 2015
    11:38am
    So Australia finds itself in the same position the Weimar Republic found itself in Germany in the early 1930's, caught between the Communists and the NAZIs ? Now that's a choice I would not have to make.
    PlanB
    12th Mar 2015
    4:04pm
    I think it is appalling that the Pollies get such a big wage and then go on the get so many lurks and pensions etc etc etc when no other worker gets anywhere what they get with the free trip -- cars -- etc etc plus the big retirement wage as well and they want to rob the worst off. These mongrels are processional Pollies and don't give a hoot about anything but their own jobs and pockets, they have never done a gard days work in their lives!
    professori_au
    12th Mar 2015
    4:10pm
    I agree and this also applies to those CEO's working for departments that receive disproportional high salaries and when proved to be incompetent and are sacked, expect to be paid out for the full term of their contract. Ridiculous! Local government is a good example. If you are a normal worker and were proved to be incompetent you would be dismissed and your pay and entitlements made up to that time and not some time a few years ahead.
    professori_au
    12th Mar 2015
    4:10pm
    I agree and this also applies to those CEO's working for departments that receive disproportional high salaries and when proved to be incompetent and are sacked, expect to be paid out for the full term of their contract. Ridiculous! Local government is a good example. If you are a normal worker and were proved to be incompetent you would be dismissed and your pay and entitlements made up to that time and not some time a few years ahead.
    PlanB
    12th Mar 2015
    5:17pm
    Once again Prof 'I agree, if you don't do the job right then out you go -- about time that happened to these bludgers too.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    5:22pm
    And that is exactly what they Are !! :-(
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:20pm
    Particolor,
    I'm just NOT looking forward to have labour make a "Fool of themselves once again!!!
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:28pm
    particolor,
    Is Multi-Zillionaire Clive an option you think?
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:28pm
    particolor,
    Is Multi-Zillionaire Clive an option you think?
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:40pm
    Well - they ARE only part-time contracted employees with an option of renewal, something already shown in their salary etc - and a situation they themselves generated for this country's majority.

    They should therefore be treated the same when kicked out for incompetence.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    9:03pm
    Patriot Who said they would get back in ? I think by the way people are seeing both sides now we will end up with a Jar of Pickled Onions at the next Election !! :-)
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    9:10pm
    particolor
    Pickled Onions could NOT do worse and they might be a pleasant change!
    Chrissy L
    12th Mar 2015
    4:17pm
    Just emailed my MP with this
    I have just turned 65 and also recently lost my husband. I am really getting concerned at some of the recent policies of the Government and how they are going to affect me going forward. I really understand the issue of the ageing population and agree it needs to be addressed, but the Coalition seems to be aiming all its’ cutbacks at people who can least afford them. Surely the Cabinet can sit down and come up with some vision and ideas that are fair and equitable across all Australians. Life, particular on a single pension is not easy, fortunately I do have some super to supplement my income, but many do not and they will end up below the Poverty line with these types of policies.
    We have had many horror policies announced e.g. Parent Parental Leave, GP Co-Payments, a pathetic increase for the Defence Force and now this, I dread to think about the waste of money drafting these poor policies. The Government has made U-turns after a major backlash from the community but we do not seem to making any headway, perhaps it is time for a change in Leadership and some fresh ideas, all I want is a “Fair Go” for all.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:48pm
    Clap Clap !! :-)
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    6:30pm
    Chrissy L
    They just keep trying to SNARE US whilst we are stupid enough to keep paying them!
    Eventuall they'll sneak it past us in some "Shape or Form".
    crazy one
    12th Mar 2015
    4:20pm
    who does the Government think they are I would like to get their pension as they get to much for doing nothing but pick on other people that they think are below their standards but for one thing everyone out their has more brains than these others that waste money and keeps say that they work hard sitting on their backsides crying poverty for the country.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    4:25pm
    There must be some way I can lose these Lonesome Blues ?
    I've thought of everything from A to Zee ?
    OHH!! Lonesome Me !! :-(
    Anonymous
    12th Mar 2015
    4:29pm
    I am not sure what you are saying, but I gather you don"t like the government.
    I tell you what I like your name.
    Chris B T
    12th Mar 2015
    5:05pm
    We The OLDER AUSTRALIANS should form a party to represent us in the Senate in each state
    to try and stop this rubbish from happening. ONLY then we have a real chance against a mob
    of self indulgent politicans who need over the top payed advisers for at best weak policies.
    Since we have to work longer this would take care of at least 20 ( politican + advisers ).
    It couldn't be any worse off, at least we would hold a signficant power base to deal with.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    5:24pm
    Can We behave like Clive ? :-) If so I'm in !! :-)
    tia-maria
    12th Mar 2015
    5:32pm
    Chris BT, I been saying for months we should form a senior political party.......as we have earned the right to form one.....we worked hard and paid our taxes.....never had the dole so we never bludge from the government..........(but our politican have ripped the taxpayers off big time...........
    First thing I would change is that our government wages would be cut (as in house fighting is unacceptable to say the least...... and no more perks......
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    7:14pm
    Chris B T
    As explored in this forum, Political Parties are Illegal and so I'm against forming a new party.

    Let's form a "Pressure Group" that promotes the introduction of a PEOPLE's Citizens Initiated Referendum rather a POLITICIAN's one.
    In other words, generate pressure to change section 128 of the Australian Constitution and - for once & for ALL Allow US to "CALL THE SHOTS".

    If some are unfamiliar with the Principles of CIR, a link to download the book outling the mechanisms is as follows:

    The People's Law https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cis.org.au%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fpolicy-monographs%2Fpm-10.pdf&ei=0yoBVdmYA4Kl8AWaj4GoCA&usg=AFQjCNHBSKQ7DTco5W0oNl_2JKO9WP92sQ&sig2=1mrMzEVoAztIK-zQxwagyA&bvm=bv.87920726,d.dGc
    tia-maria
    12th Mar 2015
    9:10pm
    Patriot.......are you for real?????
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    9:20pm
    tia-maria
    O don't quite understand what you're asking but I am "For Real" in relation to the paragraph above!
    Got any better LEGAL ideas?
    Justsane
    12th Mar 2015
    5:51pm
    So Bonny, you have contacted your MP and told him you support the proposed changes, including the eroding of the amount of the pension by indexing it to the CPI only, and the increasing of the retirement age to 70. You also up the ante by saying that people's houses should be assessed, too, something which is not even being proposed.

    You should remember that the circumstances which people find themselves in are different for everybody. Maybe you have/had a good job which you are/were able to keep until you were 70. Maybe you have savings or super, which means that you do not need so much pension. Maybe you have a home which is now worth a mint, so the hiving off of a few hundred thousand to the government would make little difference to your estate.

    Not all people would be as fortunate as that (hypothetical) you. Some people have to live on the single pension alone. Think how difficult it would be for them to lose $80.00 per week ($160 per fortnight) or more in the future, especially if they have to pay rent. Think of the manual workers, their bodies might be incapable of doing the job long before they reached 70.

    I am all for free speech and the voicing of one's own opinions. But I think that everyone should think of the common good, or at least think of the people who are going to be most affected by these changes before they advocate for them.

    It is rather like herd immunity with vaccinations. We may not all need them, but we should all have them for the sake of the the ones in the group who may succumb to the disease. The indexing of the pension to the Male Average Weekly earnings has lifted one million people out of poverty.

    The Age Pension in Australia already has income and assets testing which overseas pensions generally do not. For goodness sake, Prince Charles became eligible for the British pension 16 months ago. This could not have happened in Australia. (He could have kept it, but donated it to charity.)

    This income and assets testing is designed to make the pension fair for all. We do not want to see people slide back into poverty because the more fortunate think they need less. What you say about this affects everyone, and affects the vulnerable the most.
    never give up
    12th Mar 2015
    5:54pm
    I have enjoyed reading choices.....but when you get into bed with left wing Getup...which opposes everything Liberal and gives a tick to all things Labour, I think its time to give you away as impartiality is not what I thought you were when I first registered. ...
    Anonymous
    13th Mar 2015
    5:38pm
    Well said Never Give Up - GetUp are extreme - even for right side of labor and centre left - they are more akin to Greens. Please don't give away as your name suggests "never give up" best way to tackle the SCUM (socilaists, communists, unionists, Marxists)
    GrannyMau
    12th Mar 2015
    7:01pm
    Please stop all this crap - make your superannuation less lucrative, then maybe you can look at other means of cutting costs.
    Oars
    12th Mar 2015
    7:10pm
    I have thought about this before I let fire here. Why don't the pollies get the same rate of Super as anyone else in the real world. If they hold their seat for only one term (say), then they get a fraction of the super that they get now. They should not get a lifetime of $185K/year plus other expenses. Once yer out, you don't deserve expenses.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    8:55pm
    They sure knew how to Future Proof themselves Oars ! :-) If You cant save it STEAL IT !! :-)
    Oars
    12th Mar 2015
    7:04pm
    But when she got there the cupboard was bare, cos Labor had rorted the pantry. No more apples, no more pears, just dried up stale crusts that the rats had left there. Looks like the lucky country is gettin' to be more like old Mother Hubbard each day !
    UNCLE FESTER
    12th Mar 2015
    7:44pm
    I agree with KSS - the pension is not going to be less in future it will continue to increase. ACOSS did not say that the pension will be $80 less in the future they just applied it to past stats. Quoting past stats to then extrapolate that we will be $80 worse off in ten years time is just ridiculous and presupposes that everything remains constant. But the lie that the pension is being reduced keeps being peddled to frighten those that cannot see through the lie or by those wishing to blame everything on the current government.
    Patriot
    12th Mar 2015
    7:50pm
    UNCLE FESTER
    You want us to NOT adhere to the "Situation Continues as Normal scenario for calculating Future Pensions?"
    HOWEER, yopu seem to support the "Situation Continues as Normal scenario for supporting that Pensions will not be affordable unless we tighten our belts?"

    Do these actions make the argument apply better to the line the NLP is Pushing or what?
    TREBOR
    12th Mar 2015
    8:07pm
    when I see the politicians making all these magical decisions take first p0lace out the door, and cut off their early retirement for life packages, and apply the same rules to themselves as they seek to do to everyone else - e.g. no pension until pension age (70 or whatever and means tested)... then I might consider their views.

    Until then - they are nothing but an arrogant impositon by a bunch of twerps sought by force and have zero merit.

    I guess that says it all. those who disagree are welcome to disagree, but only until we get a decent gtovernment in here in Oz.
    particolor
    12th Mar 2015
    9:21pm
    Fast Forward 2016....Boss Cocky Polly.."And if Re-elected We will Re-Introduce Truth in the Media ! A Budget that is fair for all !"
    Heckler... " You wouldn't know what the Truth was if it Bit You, You #&%*&%@ " :-)
    Oars
    13th Mar 2015
    9:07am
    Particolour- would you rather have a spin doctor who pays his/her unions out of our hard eraned pension funds so that we the workers get nothing? Tell me you are not biased, or have an arts degree in bullfrog jumping.
    Oars
    13th Mar 2015
    9:07am
    Particolour- would you rather have a spin doctor who pays his/her unions out of our hard eraned pension funds so that we the workers get nothing? Tell me you are not biased, or have an arts degree in bullfrog jumping.
    particolor
    13th Mar 2015
    7:24pm
    Go to Buggery I've told You lot I wouldn't Vote for any of the Corrupt Barsted !! :-(
    particolor
    13th Mar 2015
    7:37pm
    Just vote for Mr Polesnwires and leave Me out of it !! :-)
    I like the Lib add on the Telly ! Would You vote for a Man that has Never been a Politician and now wants to Run The State ? :-) Sound just Right to Me !! :-) :-)
    Kato
    12th Mar 2015
    10:45pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/tpp/tpp-hawaii2/the-dirtiest-deal-youve-never-heard-of?t=BKNjgI20m&utm_content=7463&utm_campaign=What%20you%20don%27t%20know%20will%20hurt%20you&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email
    Not Senile Yet!
    13th Mar 2015
    12:23am
    Kay,
    It is time you wrote an article about how OUR the elected MP's who are Members of a Political Party are just Puppets and not the REAL DEAL!!!
    They have sold their right to disagree with any Policy that their Party Caucus puts forward that is not in their constituents best interests.....the Attack on the Seniors and Pensions are a prime example!!! Party Members who disagree run a serious risk of no pre-selection if they go against their Party Policy!!!
    However, as a Member of Parliament...their FIRST priority is supposed to be to represent the People who elected THEM...which they cannot do.....due to conflict of interest....namely their own interest in being re-elected!!!
    This is a Blatant Party Corruption of the MP's right to disagree with any Policy that attacks or disadvantages members of their Constituent.....namely the Aged.....and directly discriminates by age!!!!
    None of the Proposed changes are welcome or wanted!!!
    Deeming is just a budgetary measure to screw down the Pension Payment.....especially when the investments referred to have already been taxed!!! It is called double dipping by the Government......and has occurred simply because they have FAILED to Balance OUR TAX BUDGETS!!!!
    Write about how corrupt it is to sell off our Votes BEFORE they are even given to the Political Parties....or why it is allowed to happen!!!
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    8:29am
    NSY
    I agree with your comment 100%
    And yes it would be nice if we could get this forum to "RISE to the occasion" ans "Stop the Rorts" that have been and ARE dragging this country down TO HELL!!!
    The Illegal activity enacted by OUR Elected Represewntatives MUST be stopped !!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    13th Mar 2015
    12:30am
    Neither Party deserves to be re- elected....because neither Party has Balanced their budgets!!!
    To declare a deficit is not better than to declare a Surplus!!
    Their Job is to Balance the Budget.....not end up in the Red OR in the Black!
    A Deficit is not a success....it is a debt to be re-paid!
    A Surplus is also not a success.....it is a surplus at the expense of the economy.....which needs to be invested back into the economy quickly to counter the shrinkage it creates to achieve it!!!
    If any employee had such an outcome in their targets....they are held accountable by being re-trenched/replaced by someone who can achieve the target set!!!!
    Why do WE have to constantly put up with the Party Failures to achieve OUR required Target....namely a Balanced budget????
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    8:46am
    NSY,
    Balancing a budget should be the easiest goal to achieve.
    When we (govt) are borrowing money this money is created out of nothing by the International Bankers and we pay then interest (We have to borrow the money again to be able to pay the interest). And so the Spiral Continues ever upward!!!
    This process is DEATH DEFYING as, in the end, it is impossible NOT to end up in the situation we are in!

    Why not, as happened in the early 1900s & before, let the Government created the money out of nothing and issue it into the community (via Projects) at ZERO % interest. That is how it was done and - in accordance with the Australian Constitution MUST be done!!!!

    That is why Citizen Initiated Referendum if SOO IMPORTANT as it would provide US with the tools to GET IT DONE!!!
    The process as per Australian Constitution will ensure that Australia returns to become a wealthy & affluent nation again and stops us selling it "Just to balance the Books".

    I know that this seems to be TOO SIMPLE as our brains - due to centuries of brainwashing - will be rebelling to accept it.

    Download & "wrap your head" the following booklet and you'll have ALL the foundation knowledge you need to understand the process.
    You will also understand the DECEPTION that WE have been subjected to in order to DRIVE US BACK INTO SLAVERY.
    https://archive.org/details/TheMoneyTrick
    PlanB
    13th Mar 2015
    8:58am
    Patriot, I understand fully re the "money out of nothing" yes we have/ are and still are being treated like idiots
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    11:28am
    PlanB
    Once the money is understood, the whole equation becomes much simpler.
    Let's look at the scenario where we – the old farts – made a major contribution to GETTING RID of the International Banking Criminals & Servants and installed a Government that was truly “For The People & By The People”.
    Us, the oldies, should feel compelled to provide this CATALIST as implementation of the “Financial Monster” has happened on “Our Watch”. Additionally, we should be able to “make a difference” as we have the Numbers & Understanding!

    If the Aust. Govt. were to issue OUR CURRENCY on OUR BEHALF at ZERO percent interest and inject it into the community as projects we would NOT HAVE TO WORRY about:

    1 Where the next mortgage payment would come from
    As we do not have a shortage of resources & money there will always be projects to employ us
    2 Education (the whole gamut) once again a project that provides extremely valuable assets in the for of Educated Men & Women. Not just for the ELITE to “waste some time”
    3 Old Age Pensions – Pensioners spend on food and “the essentials of life” which stimulates the economy & produces assets
    4 Major infra structure projects like roads, fast trains as they produce assets
    5 A fully functional & Paid for “Health Care” rather than a “Sickness Care” system
    6 Research of ANY kind as – in the end – assets are produced

    So you can see that – even with today's “Illusive Accounting Practices” - we can balance the books this way.

    Can you imagine it, NO Worries & Fear of not being able to”
    1 Pay the mortgage and “LOOSE THE HOUSE”
    2 YOU CAN AFFORD proper education for the kids & they don't start their working life with a MASSIVE DEBT hanging over their heads like “The sword of Damocles”
    3 We could have discussions “Of Achievement” on forums like this rather than “Bitch sessions about criminal politicians. We might even be able to afford that “Cup of Coffee” which JOSEPH thinks we can “Well do without”.
    4 No fear of loosing your job EVER
    5 No fear to get sick as there will be no “Waiting Lists” to do what we NEED (as opposed want) to get done
    6 No fear of not being able to retire with dignity – no matter “The Path” life has presented you with!

    Would it not be nice for us, our (Grand)children & future generations in general to NOT LIVE IN CONYINUOUS FEAR but rather in “Peace & Harmony” with our fellow man.
    Would it not be nice to re-create “Functional Communities” that provide ”Support & Security”
    No More Crime as there is NO NEED TO ACCUMULATE because of FEAR that you will not have enough tomorrow to afford to live dignified.

    WOULD IT NOT BE NICE TO SPEND OUR DAYS BEING CREATIVE rather than HEDGING against calamity BECAUSE OF FEAR & STRESS !?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    Just imaging to spend the formative years with your (grand) kids in order to ensure that they are NOT MOULDED & BRAINWASHED but “prepared for this world” in order to become “Decent Human Beings” & be able to contribute in a positive rather than destructive fashion!!!

    Things have gone “To far” to revert back to the situation pictures and we need Citizens Initiated Referendum Initiative.
    This is the TOOL that can ENFORCE the REFORMS needed to return to decency!

    Fear and Politics Carmen Lawrence http://scribepublications.com.au/books-authors/title/fear-and-politics/

    We Are All Slaves! http://www.strike-the-root.com/we-are-all-slaves

    Dehumanisation of Humanity: Slavery http://philosophos.org/philosophy_article_34.html

    "The Best Slave Is A Slave That Doesn't Know He's A Slave"
    Oars
    13th Mar 2015
    2:26pm
    Patriot I can understand now why Rupert Murdock is losing money in his editorial newspapers- you have taken over the "editorials" on this broadsheet. Do you have anything POSITIVE to say or are you just kidding us with your lefty crud?
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    2:43pm
    Oars,
    I you don't "wake Up" you'll get a "Rude Awakening" soon.
    Just hang in there!!
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    2:48pm
    Oars,
    Looking through your postings, they have little positive to report either. Just criticism!
    They might be shorter, but just have some tolerance for those (may be) who are "Open Minded" enough and accept that some truth might be amongst what you suggest is trash.
    And, you're welcome to your opinion. However, don't be so critical and ALLOW others to have theirs.
    You DO NOT HAVE to read my contributions!!! TOLERANCE is the Game!!!
    PlanB
    14th Mar 2015
    6:50am
    I think that would be La La land Patriot never would happen, nice to dream though.

    I agree we are all slaves --unknowingly mosty
    jessej
    13th Mar 2015
    9:53pm
    If it is good enough for comsuper to get CPI increase WHY not age pension get only CPI increase, PLEASE EXPLAIN
    particolor
    14th Mar 2015
    2:25pm
    Well Pauline its like this !... Its like Why I don't Vote anymore !! Its like Voting for a New Head of the CORPORATION !! :-(
    Justsane
    14th Mar 2015
    3:53am
    Jessej, The CPI (Consumer Price Index) is a measurement of inflation. It is the increase in price over time of a typical basket of goods & services purchased by the consumer. So consumers don't actually get the CPI, they pay it.

    Pensioners get CPI increases so the purchasing power of their pension does not erode over time.

    But the amount of the age pension is a lot less than the average wage of a worker, so there has to be a bench-mark. You can't pay pensioners at, say, 1% of the average wage, because it would be impossible to live on that. At the moment, the age pension is set at 28% of the average male weekly earnings, and increases are given every six months to make sure the pension does not go under that. So the increase to the pension is calculated either on the CPI increase or the increase in Average Male Weekly earnings, whichever is the higher.

    If the AMWE index were not in place, and pensioners were only paid the CPI increase, the purchasing power of the pension would go down over time, and be worth only 16% of Average Male Weekly Earnings in 40 years time. The pension has not been below 20% of average earnings since 1965. (Thank you for this info, Kato.)
    particolor
    14th Mar 2015
    9:14am
    The CPI only includes certain Items And most of the thing Pensioners use are not even on that List ??? :-( Morning Whinge :-)
    Abby
    14th Mar 2015
    7:29pm
    The main concern I have about the Pension being attached to CPI is what the Government puts in the typical CPI basket to count towards inflation .... it leaves it to open to fiddle with.

    Inflation on a near empty basket will not add too much to a Pension
    particolor
    14th Mar 2015
    7:52pm
    We will be eating the Cane on the bottom of His Basket !! :-(
    Anonymous
    16th Mar 2015
    10:28am
    my pension has been linked to the CPI for many years. Just looking back and noted that for the quarter September 2006 to March 2007 there was no rise in the CPI so I and others on the same pension got nothing.
    professori_au
    16th Mar 2015
    10:58am
    what is the average age, given that people are now being paid for minimum rates and before being eligible for a higher rate as they are casual/part time they are sacked and another minimum rate employee is put on. One of the worst areas are the disabled. I wrote earlier about one I know who received $4:80 per hour with a promise to have it reviewed in six months. four year later it still had not been reviewed. But! but he was told he could still have his disabled pension. It was not the "charity's right to tell him that. He, a high functioning autistic had to do some training. What training? Remember he is a high functioning autistic, which means he is intelligent and had received a good education. His training.... How to write his curriculum Vitae and fill in a job application. What an insult. The "Charity" received a training grant ( a registered training provider); received a job placement subsidy (registered job placement agency); was underpaying the chap and also using his disability pension to subsidise his wages. so take all of these and many others issues, what is the average wage. We have seen on the TV other charities that are apparently successfully rorting the system at the taxpayer's expense and what is the government doing? Nothing to date except support anything that reduces wages or pensions to the most vulnerable in our society
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    12:05pm
    Never mind !! Just Enjoy the Half a Loaf of Bread that Joe just gave You for the fortnight !! :-)
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Mar 2015
    3:03am
    For all those who believe that the CPI is a fair indicator of inflation.....please note that it is an average of a select group of consumer goods......not the average of all consumer goods!
    It certainly does not include the increase of the postage stamp by 30% or the increase in Power & Gas etc. that amounts to an average of 20% each year....nor does it allow for the Lack of Wage increases over the past ten years.....less than CPI on average!!!!
    Everyone is going backwards on buying power.....but none more than the lower Incomes and the Pensioners!!!
    Yet this Right Wing Government wants to effectively reduce the Pension and eliminate any discounts offered to Seniors from a already diminished 28% of the basic Wage to 16%.....absolutely ridiculous expectation that people will manage on a 12% reduction from a Pension that has already been declared below the Poverty Line as an Income!!!!
    This is nothing more than ludicrous and completely un-sustainable......given that the privatisation has been allowed to increase their increases consistently above the CPI index for over ten years with no check on their inflated profits whatsoever!!!!
    Does this or Any Government really believe that attacking Seniors on limited incomes will not have a BACKLASH directly on votes next election....if so then they are truly out of touch.....because every Senior has a Family that vote as well!!! Not only that every Senior has more time to spend rallying against such Poor Policy by canvassing every person they know to Vote this Government from Office....probably in a Landslide!!!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Mar 2015
    3:15am
    Attacking the Seniors and cutting their Pensions is akin to what Hitler did to the Jews......attack a minority group......in an effort to access their Money.....but simply because they could!!!
    Hitler was an Extreme Right Winger with regard to Policy!!!
    His Party was not Left Wing.....nor Democratic!!!!
    History repeats itself if the People do not see that a Party (any Party) can be taken over by fanatics with extreme views and then turned into Dictatorship.
    Currently the Liberal Caucus Qualifies by simply refusing to listen to the people who do not agree with attacking the Less Fortunate or People on limited Incomes!!!
    Dictatorships throughout history are renown for BLAMING everyone and anyone but themselves for anything and everything!!!
    They also do not allow their Party Members a free vote on Proposed Legislation.....something Both Parties currently do!!!!
    PlanB
    15th Mar 2015
    6:51am
    Yes this lot sure have Fascist tendencies
    particolor
    15th Mar 2015
    9:22am
    Vee Haf Vays off Makink You !! :-)
    Rose
    15th Mar 2015
    1:05pm
    I have been paying taxes and the pension for previous generation ,I am paying taxes on my house ,no one ever helped me or my husband ,we had to work hard for our retirement.Now you wish us to pay again taxes on the little house and savings we could put together for our retirement.We have the right to enjoy a serene retirement ,instead we are persecuted by envious people who never worked as hard as we did.
    In all other countries the pension is a right of the individual .We still helping our children and grand children :I am happy for them to enjoy their week ends out,their parties and holidays and expensive clothings for themselves and their children, we are happy they do not have to go through life only working and saving the way we did...but I cannot stand that the new generation take on us because they do not have enough money to pay for their debts.They opting for consumerism,we opted for savings.. The individuals of this generation seems to think they have to have all:they seem to think they have the right to make debts and pay them with their parents and grand parents money.Meaning while no one realise that we seniors are exploited and humiliated by doctors,layers,builders and so called managers .. Our beautiful town is defaced by high raising buildings of cage size apartments with managers exacting excessive levies from ill informed pensioners . You envy so much the pensioners.. Do you know who get all the money? The real estate developers ...and most of them are not even Australian . You got all wrong, really.
    Precious 1
    16th Mar 2015
    1:19am
    These people with supers etc etc and other assets should never ever expect to receive pensions from the govt...Many of these people are already getting stipends from other countries....I know of several and they also live in Govt property.if some of these people were assessed properly the Govt wouldn't have so much debt..Theres anormous anomolies everywhere......too hard to pursue
    PlanB
    16th Mar 2015
    5:08am
    About time they taxed Churches and religions, what a motza they would get then
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    7:37am
    And wont that Deeply OFFEND the "Religion of Peace ?" :-(
    PlanB
    16th Mar 2015
    8:07am
    And wont that Deeply OFFEND the "Religion of Peace ?" :-(

    ___________________________________
    Please explain Particolor ?
    professori_au
    16th Mar 2015
    10:46am
    Precious 1. Be careful you are not making a blanket statement without knowing all of the facts. I know of one pensioner who received a small part pension from where he came from and by the time it is converted to Australian, taxes and the usual flim flam the government it was whittled away and yet he still received a reduced pension.
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    7:32am
    Pension increase for March 20 is only $1.60 per fortnight FOR A FULL PENSIONER. The smallest in history. No wonder the Abbot Government have not announced it. Its absolutely appalling.
    David C
    PlanB
    16th Mar 2015
    7:35am
    Better not spend it all at once, what a bloody disgrace !
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    7:43am
    TOLD YOU !! :-( They can give their 70 Grand back the Sneaky Thieves !! :-(
    The Basic Wage was 2.7 % ?
    And the CPI was 1.7 % ?
    And Scrooge was 0.0004 % :-(
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    7:52am
    They can get all those Sponging, Blood Sucking Space Invaders and their Grand Moofti out of the Country and we might get somewhere ? :-(
    PlanB
    16th Mar 2015
    8:06am
    I just checked what I would get next pension day and it said a total of $856.41 --
    from $854.30 rise of $2.11
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    4:37pm
    You must have got 41 Cents Interest ? :-)
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    5:02pm
    David C Well I've searched the Internet High and low and had the Radio and TV on today and not One Peep have I hear of any Increase to Age Pension ??? They must have been told to Shut Up about it so as not to Embarrass the Governmint ?? ..
    Where did You get the Information ???? Not from our Dumbed Down Press Obviously !!
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    5:30pm
    PS And I just turned Parliament on ! But had to turn it OFF again !! :-( It sounded like two Rival Gangs of Chimpanzees Attacking each other !! :-)
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    8:07am
    This ridiculous pension increase has not been announced because Abbot & Morrison are too embaressed. There has been no publication of the new rates so we should all start screaming to the media.
    David C
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    8:11am
    The September rise was nearly $10 a fortnight. Inflation and CPI were nearly 2% so why so little, maybe Abbot and Morrison have made the cuts already.
    David C
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    9:00am
    Tell them where to poke their Buck .70 !! :-)
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    10:47pm
    Centrelink website was closed all weekend. they were adjusting pension payments as per the increase due 20th march. you can check online exactly what your next pension payment will be.
    No announcement from government because they are embaressed at how low it is. Another Abbot rip off.
    David C
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    10:47pm
    Centrelink website was closed all weekend. they were adjusting pension payments as per the increase due 20th march. you can check online exactly what your next pension payment will be.
    No announcement from government because they are embaressed at how low it is. Another Abbot rip off.
    David C
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    10:47pm
    Centrelink website was closed all weekend. they were adjusting pension payments as per the increase due 20th march. you can check online exactly what your next pension payment will be.
    No announcement from government because they are embaressed at how low it is. Another Abbot rip off.
    David C
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    10:47pm
    Centrelink website was closed all weekend. they were adjusting pension payments as per the increase due 20th march. you can check online exactly what your next pension payment will be.
    No announcement from government because they are embaressed at how low it is. Another Abbot rip off.
    David C
    Fready
    16th Mar 2015
    3:38pm
    What a bunch of whingers to this blog. A couple receiving a full pension is now getting as much as a self-funded couple who went without during their working life to save a million dollars and invested it in a term deposit.
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    4:01pm
    You obviously don't eat rations or dog food. It must be heartening to think you are above everyone else.
    David C
    David C
    16th Mar 2015
    4:53pm
    Fready You are just a ( NEVILLE NOBODY) LIKE ALL OF US
    David C
    PlanB
    17th Mar 2015
    6:29am
    Parti 'I have online at Centrelink and I logged in to see what the next pension would be, thats how i got it
    Rosret
    17th Mar 2015
    7:28am
    Did anyone watch Q & A last night? Someone in the audience felt that if you had saved enough money to be a self funded retiree you should be taxed on your savings that were already taxed when you were employed. Then another person spoke of denying medical care to the elderly dying.
    Gee wizz - kick us when we are retired. I just wondered if they would offer euthanasia pills on the PBS or do we have to find our own personal cliff! PS Young people - you grow old too.
    PlanB
    17th Mar 2015
    7:34am
    I have recorded Q&A but have not watched as yet, boy sounds like some people have no idea about suffering and earning, like you say wonder how they will feel when they are old ! ?
    Seems a lot of people want one to be taxed over and over --even if you have saved and bought a home, and also saved the Government a lot of money by looking after you sick and dying family
    Henry
    17th Mar 2015
    9:52pm
    what does this mean exactly!!
    that if the MTAWE and PBLCI had not been applied to pension indexation over the previous 10 years - how do I know if this indexation was applied or not? Simple language please
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    12:33pm
    I think its absolutely scandalous people expecting handouts when retired over and above many many people who have never had the chance to save etc....I know of one who had investment wealth whos daughter coerced him to hide it all tell lies and she said get everything you can...she wanted his money when he RIP......even some accountants are helping people hide...in this case he was fined 7 thousand dollars at one time and his answer was he would make it up in a month or so with interest made on other investments.......no wonder any PM of this wonderful country has his head in his hands.......some of these people are worse than the brigade that flatly refuse to work......this person RIP and all his money or a huge chunk had to go to costs incurred with lawyers and accountants...I couldn't say a word.....lololol
    Precious 1
    18th Mar 2015
    12:37pm
    What is a pension fund really for if not instead of a handout from the govt on retirement???and why or why all the hype about doing everything possible to hide or lie about your assets.........I would really love to know in about 7 easy words........
    particolor
    18th Mar 2015
    9:49pm
    How What When Where Why Who Bye !!
    bookwyrm
    18th Mar 2015
    9:35pm
    Ok. Singles rise will be $5.90. I‘m in public housing so they will take 25% of that. Which leaves $4.70 a fortnight. In the 6 months till the next rise on September 20, that comes to a total of $60.10. I‘m mentally assigning that to cover my bank accounting keeping fees. I only have 1 bank account.
    particolor
    18th Mar 2015
    10:02pm
    I told You ! You would get a loaf of bread !! :-) At least You wont have to eat Cake ! :-)
    professori_au
    19th Mar 2015
    1:30am
    Bookwyrm I would be surprised if it covered you bank fees.
    Fready. You are making assumptions you are not qualified. Many people's circumstances have changed over the years. Some of the reductions to savings have been interfered with by various governments and super fund managements, therefore it is my view that a pension needs to be designed for the lowest common denominator. Pensions are certainly not designed for that purpose and there are many people struggling to survive. As soon as there is an increase, the parasites each try to exploit it finishing up with the pensioner gradually receiving less. Local government is an example where greed is increasing. Our trading corporation posing as a council has just issued its 2014 amenities law. It should be called a rule book on how to extract revenue from the ratepayer/residents. It is totally biased to big business. As a trading corporation it is big business in itself. It acts as a real estate agency; a developer and an investment corporation. This is counter to what the old municipal system was intended to be responsible. This corporation uses ratepayer/taxes to fund events that do little to benefit the local community and appears to be at the cost of reducing services. Streets are blocked off and result in some residents having to park elsewhere. Investments are made in sporting clubs that are corporations themselves and are not generally accessible to the public and so on and on. Properties have had rates more than doubled in one year and seem to have as an objective of forcing owners to sell out so the area can be developed for the benefit of tourism and hospitality, In an area that is facing loss of industry and increasing unemployment there does not appear any justification to such a rate hike. This despite the corporations not having any standing under the Constitution. Particolor is correct about the loaf of bread. Unfortunately the loaf of bread has become mouldy
    PlanB
    19th Mar 2015
    4:50am
    Bookworm, I don't get Bank account fees since I have been on the aged pension, none at all (ANZ)
    particolor
    19th Mar 2015
    8:31am
    Crumbs !! :-)
    worker
    4th Apr 2015
    8:35am
    The ONLY employee before 60/65 years old in Australia that receive after some mear 5/6 years of employment when leaving said employment are payed penisions and other perks are MPS. This should be removed and MPS placed in line with other employees .
    Removal of MPs life time perks and pensions would give savings to properly fund the age pension.
    particolor
    4th Apr 2015
    10:38am
    Treason !! :-(
    eggles01
    12th May 2015
    1:01pm
    WE NEED TO HOUND BOTH YOUR SITTING COALITION MP,JOE HOCKEY AND THE PRIME MINISTER MR ABBOTT ABOUT REMOVING THE BACKUP MTAWE AND ASK THEM TO PUT IT BACK IN AS THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION FOR INCREASES TO OUR PENSION, AS IT WAS THE PENSION INCREASE WAS DETERMINED BY EITHER THE CPI OR 27.7% of THE MTAWE WHICH EVER WAS THE HIGHEST,WE NEED TO EMAIL THE ABOVE MENTIONED MPS CONSTANTLY TO ASK THEM TO HAVE THE MTAWE PUT BACK IN PLACE,I AM SURE THAT IF ENOUGH OF US AND RELATIVES,FRIENDS AND THEIR FRIENDS PUT IT TO THEM THAT THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE MY,YOUR VOTE IN THE NEXT ELECTION REMEMBER WE MUST CONSTANTLY EMAIL THEM DAILY IF NECESSARY AT BOTH THEIR CANBERRA OFFICE AND THEIR SITTING MEMBER OFFICE IF WE DO THEY MAY GET THE MESSAGE,WE CAN ONLY HOPE IT WILL BE RETURNED IN THE BUDGET TONIGHT IF IT IS NOT RETURNED TONIGHT MAYBE THE ONLY WAY HOW ABOUT PICKETING THEIR LOCAL SITTING OFFICE,
    particolor
    12th May 2015
    2:10pm
    Is there GST on Pickets ?
    professori_au
    14th Sep 2015
    9:50am
    Let us start from the beginning. Many young people and some elders are arguing they resent having to pay for the aged pensions. Correction. Our pensions have been contributed to by the pensioners themselves. What the younger generation needs to understand is that governments over the years have dipped into that contribution by putting it into Consolidated Revenue and using it for the political agenda of whatever political faction is in government. As governments have gradually destroyed our industrial and manufacturing as well as polluting and poisoning prime agricultural lands in the search for more revenue from short term gains, jobs are disappearing faster than a jet. Consequently how is the future pensions of this generation going to be funded? Remaining jobs are going to 457 and 417 immigrants instead of going to Australian born or naturalised people. Solution???? Perhaps we become a third world country and the UN will provide grants for the starving people of Australia. The 457 and 417 were intended to bring in workers when the appropriate skills are not available from own people. Not so today. Two companies near where I live are alleged to have filed for bankruptcy and re opened shortly after with migrant labour. China, it is alleged, if they take a 15% take in a company here in Australia can bring in workers from their own country????. the claim that the necessary skills, experience and knowledge is not available is a furphy supported by government. They were available a few days before. So wake up Australia and realise what is happening to our country by factions that have no allegiance to we, the people. Their allegiance is to revenue, profit and more profit and more often as not, profit to shareholders from other countries. Let me again reiterate, where is the contributions coming from to fund future pensions. There is no provision for political parties in our Constitution, so why they trying to govern us. Voting is corrupt and flawed so that most candates come from these factional groups. Further bias is created by the preferential voting as it empowers the factions to control where votes go. The talk of a Republic? Let me recommend that you look at who are running the agenda; the rich and powerful. Do you believe you and I will have much say in what will be the constitution of this wonderful new Republic?. I doubt is very much. Already, despite the claim it is not, we are being governed by a foreign power. A foreign power that is a registered Corporation, registered as the COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CORPORATION registered in Washington, Columbia USA and accountable to USA law and the USA Revenue department. In other word an American corporation subservient to the USA. You say it is not true. Then look it up for yourself and then ask yourself if it is an Australian Corporation why is it not registered in Australia. I have researched and researched and cannot find it. When did we have a referendum to hand over our rights to this corporation. Why has there so much taxpayer funds invested in offshore accounts in safe tax havens? We need a lot more accountability and transparency from those we thought we elected to carry out the Will of the people, who, once elected gave their allegiance to some other master.
    particolor
    14th Sep 2015
    10:31am
    Yes We know all that Professori ! And if they had have been Islamic they would have had all their fingers removed !! :-( :-(


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