Friday Flash Poll: Should you really still be driving?

We want to know if you should still be on the road, or when you expect to stop driving.

Friday Flash Poll: Should you really still be driving?

Around 250 Australians over the age of 65 die in car crashes each year and another 4000 are hospitalised. It is estimated that injury risk is nine times higher per kilometre in drivers 85 years and older compared to drivers between the ages of 25 and 69.

That’s what research from Neuroscience Research Australia (NeuRA) in partnership with Transurban says, with a report which claims that injuries sustained by older drivers are also more severe than those suffered in younger age groups.

Little wonder then that road safety for seniors is high on their list.

“At the heart of the safe systems approach is the understanding that humans have inherent frailties, both in terms of how our bodies respond in crashes and in our behaviours. The entire road system, including the vehicles operating in the system, must take these frailties into account,” said Associate Professor Julie Brown.

“Cars are a primary means of transport for senior Australians. They provide independent living and enable social and community engagement and are particularly important where public transport is limited. Car safety is therefore a critical component of healthy ageing.”

One of the more challenging dilemmas for older people is when to hang up the car keys. It can’t be denied that along with ageing, some people will notice a diminishment in certain driving skills, such as slower reflexes, or medical conditions, such as poor eyesight or other impairments, that force your hand. But depending on which state you reside, that decision may be taken out of your hands.

Some states have mandatory testing rules for those over 75. In others, maximum lengths of licence terms revert to three years instead of 10. In some states it is necessary to obtain a doctor’s certificate before you can renew your licence.

But is there a way to tell if you are at the stage of having to stop driving? Should you be preparing to hang up your keys? Is it fair that the decision to stop driving is taken out of your hands? Are you risking your life by staying on the road?

While at a certain stage in life, many drivers may recognise that it’s time to stop driving. However, others persist, despite the obvious signs. We thought we’d ask you a few questions about your driving habits, whether or not you should really still be driving, or when you expect to hand over your car keys.

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And of course, we welcome your opinion in the comments section below.





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    evemack
    11th Jan 2019
    10:28am
    What about listing the same statistics for a younger age group. Getting tired of some trying to blame car accidents etc on older people. We seem to be an easy target.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    10:55am
    SOME older drivers really need to retire from driving... usually they are VERY old... but there are some who simply have no idea and never did anyway.

    I never cop tickets for speeding or such... always right on the limit...... cops around here even wave to me....
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2019
    11:13am
    Explains why you’re so boring Trebor
    My last ticket was a month ago . Prior to that it was way back in June last year .Bastards had a mobile camera in the most ridiculous of spots
    I finally bit the bullet and invested in a speed camer detector a couple of weeks ago
    Foxy
    11th Jan 2019
    11:23am
    Trebor - "wave to me"? Probably "waving ya' on 'cause ya' driving too slowly! lololol
    Toots
    11th Jan 2019
    11:58am
    What do you want, a medal or a chest to pin it on?
    Triss
    11th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    255 deaths age 26 -39. 388 deaths age 40 - 64. I’m with you, Evemack, let’s get the full range not persuading everyone to jump on th over 65s.
    Misty
    11th Jan 2019
    12:07pm
    If you get pulled over Lothario the police will confiscate that detector, we had a gadget that told us directions that the police took away, they said it could be used as a Radar and Camera Detector. I have since been told that there are apps you can get on your phone that will also give you this info so the cops will be busy if they decide to take every one's mobile phones.
    Triss
    11th Jan 2019
    12:08pm
    Add to the above 228 deaths between age 17 - 25.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    12:20pm
    Yes - radar detectors are illegal in some states..... you need to stop speeding, Lothie.. I wonder how we knew you'd be in that category?

    Me need a medal? Nah... I don't need medals and I don't want money ... what I want is for you with your Harvard mouth and your faggoty white suit to to show me some blinking courtesy!!

    I also drop back to 100 when the sign says - god, that annoys some people... you know, the usual suspects... the red wun, the ODS, the tradie ute, the 4wd champion with the huge boat/caravan, the wop with no real idea, the young superstar ...........silly old bastard...

    I love it when that sneaky camera I know about flashes some jerk who races past me..... oh, well.... just accept that your elders do know a thing or ten....
    Aussie
    11th Jan 2019
    3:40pm
    Enjoy your driving mate ...... I love driving and speed still have some points left .... but after visiting Thailand I am not speeding ... they drive crazy over 140, 150 + ...so if I drive in Thailand at about 120/130 is Ok no worries .... but is Australia I get tickets when they get me over 5Km grgrgrgrgrgrgrg
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    4:03pm
    Lothario - wow some of you people have no idea. What the hell is a "speed camera detector", it's either a radar detector (generally useless for cameras) or it's a device that tells you where fixed cameras are placed.

    Which is it?
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    4:06pm
    Aussie - have you seen the death toll on the roads in Thailand, 36 deaths per 100,000 people compared to 5 per 100,000 people in Australia. Thailand has one of the worst records in the world - nothing we want here that's for sure.
    Foxy
    11th Jan 2019
    4:48pm
    ....... Lothario probably means his BS detector! lolololol
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    11:12pm
    Lothario - you sound proud that your last ticket (apart from one a month ago) was "way back in June last year"

    Wow such a good record, last month and 7 months ago, how many in your lifetime? You know most people with common sense slow down after one, after two they should really be having a hard look at themselves and stick to/under the limits. Not surprised with you though, people who speed are usually arrogant, selfish pric** who feel they are entitled to do whatever they want on the roads, laws don't apply to them, is that you Lothario.

    "Bastards had a mobile camera in the most ridiculous of spots" What on the road?

    So now you buy a device to try to beat the cameras, hahaha, good luck with that, they conned you big time, the best way to avoid fines is to stay at/under the limits mate - hope you get another ticket soon and the licence is lost, that would be funny.
    ex PS
    15th Jan 2019
    8:47am
    Lothario puts up a good case as to why some people should be taken off the road. He still drives and thinks like an inexperienced teenager. If he hasn't picked up basic safe driving skills by now he never will.
    Anonymous
    15th Jan 2019
    9:53am
    Speed cameras are all about making money - nothing to do with safety
    My car is built for speed and has excellent safety features
    Driving fast on straight roads and hairpin corners is thrilling
    Shame you oldies don’t know how to enjoy the open roads
    ex PS
    16th Jan 2019
    8:10am
    Lothario, I think the nut that holds the steering wheel needs checking. No car design can make up for poor driving attitudes and skills. The safety features are their to protect the idiot who causes the accident, not the poor pedestrian or other driver you hit. You've done your money Lothario those camera detectors don't work, if they did the government would ban them.
    Why would they miss out on the revenue?
    Spud
    11th Jan 2019
    10:41am
    Statistics lol! You can make them say whatever you want by asking the right question . It’s like the stats on drink drivers ,ask what was the percentage of drivers in the drinking category were .05 or over ?
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    11:00am
    Hmm - 0.05 has always been a problem of government overkill and revenue gathering - every civilised country that has a limit has 0.08 - here we are obviously too dumb to drive after two schooners in a hour... but it's easy money and yet another piece of social control..... guess who are the main number of those so accused..... two jelly beans for the correct answer...

    NOBODY has ever put out figures on how may accidents (do not) occur at 0.055 or so - they concentrate on the 0.27s and 0.34s .... and say that applies to all....

    I'll venture to say that there are proportionately the same number of minor accidents at just over 0.05 as there are at 0.00 ... but don't let reality bite governments in the bum when they can get money out of people and also keep them under the thumb.
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    3:56pm
    TREBOR - Overkill my arse, you realise the chance of someone dying in an accident who has a BAC of 0.05 to 0.08 is 52 times the non drunk driver and at 0.05 it's 7 times, a much more acceptable figure. I'd rather see zero for all, what right do you have to drive 2 tonnes of metal down the road when you're impaired, make a wrong decisions and maybe wipe out a family - tell me why are you so entitled?

    It's commonly accepted that Europe has a much higher standard of drivers then us and safety standards of roads is far better also. Throughout Europe the limit is 0.05 or lower, Malta, Romania, England and Wales are the only ones with 0.08. Also the US has some states that are 0.05 so your assertion that "every civilised country that has a limit has 0.08" is crap.

    Road toll in Australia is over 1,200 per year in deaths, many due to alcohol, we have to get out of this thinking that "a few drinks is okay, I can still drive fine", the fact is your reaction times slow, decision making slows and poor decisions are made.
    Blossom
    11th Jan 2019
    10:42am
    The stats have proved over and over that it is the younger generation causing accidents.
    The lawmakers only see what they want to see
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    11:01am
    Ask yourself why that is, Blossom.... you'll find some very scary reasons why....
    Von
    11th Jan 2019
    10:44am
    I am 75 years young. I have just driven to the Gold Coast from Victoria. I have never had an accident. I live in a rural area where I have no public transport. To have my license taken from me would be disastrous. Accidents on the road are caused by all ages for many different reasons. Please do not lump all these accidents to one age group.
    Toots
    11th Jan 2019
    11:57am
    So agree with you.
    Chaz
    11th Jan 2019
    10:50am
    Older drivers are generally more cautious but there will be a time when it is time to stop driving. That said, I see far more younger drivers who seem to think that the road rules and common decency on the roads do not apply to them and put everyone at risk. Those who constantly push for testing and the like for older drivers never seem to mention that fact.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    11:04am
    I've long said that people should be re-tested after twelve months and then every five years..... I used to be appalled at the prospect of someone getting a P plate, not even driving for a year, and then getting a gold licence that gave them some chance of getting off a fine.... while they obviously still couldn't drive...

    On the other hands, professional drivers used to see fines as just paying taxes... in the good old days when a cop only had to estimate speed etc.... and pro drivers were (and are still) fair game, since there is an assumption that they break the rules every day anyway.

    Hope that truckie got out of that truck up the road last night - big blaze... should've taken my tablet with me and filmed it...
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    10:54am
    I know.. I know - it's all my fault - I cruise control at the listed speed, use the right lane to overtake and then move back and gee, that irritates other people.. silly old bastard... then I maintain a football field in front and expect one behind... funny thing is that the distance I allow on the highway is pretty much what is shown by the two chevron marks on the Pacific Highway - that say 'keep this distance between cars'...

    My worst fault is that I'm starting to use the Age of Entitlement Rule when parking - we have two disability card holders onboard, and if that means parking in a stroller spot when the Disabilities are all full - so be it... park a bit crooked? Stuff it - I'm an official old bastard now...

    Footnote - I've driven Sydney and highway traffic for years as a security driver ... lots of experience.... and the only times I get impatient are when people do stupid stuff like tail gate or cruise beside me after charging up from behind, when they can clearly see a slower vehicle coming up in front.

    Holidays are the worst - Sunday drivers let out for weeks.... can't even use one side of the lanes in the supermarket parking lot .. so I aim at them to move them over... (snuckles)...
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2019
    11:45am
    Couple of points Bob, I've found that if you leave 3 car lengths between you and the car in front, they will quickly be filled by drivers in a hurry. Why have shopping centres taken the disabled parking spaces and turned them into pram spaces? Most new mothers are young, have lovely big prams worth more than my car and have no trouble ambulating.

    I too have pet hates on the highway, the drivers who don't like to be overtaken and speed up when someone tries to pass then slow down again. I won't exceed the speed limit to pass these people but it's frustrating. The other type who believe that they are really pseudo police and sit beside another car doing the speed limit to stop those who travel a bit above the limit from overtaking. My experience is that both these types cannot be stuck into an age bracket but cover all ages.

    If statistics are going to be kept on accidents, ages and driving abilities, it's worthwhile looking at those drivers who spend the majority of the year in city traffic and head off onto the country roads with little experience of driving at the speed limits applicable.

    I too am an official Old Bastard (I am a member of AOOOB) and it's not our age that makes us do the things we do Bob. It's just that we've reached an age where we are comfortable with ourselves, don't have to answer to anyone else and we don't tolerate Richard Craniums.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    12:25pm
    On the highway I sort of stick close to the centre line when someone overtakes - usually with lights on - as long as they can see those lights bright, they know they are too close to change over. Cities, of course, are a different kettle of road accidents....

    I've long said that a special test is required to drive on a highway - it ain't Parramatta Road peak hour, sonny/girlie... get TF well in front before you change lanes back at 110kph. We had a prang here once - two wild horses bolted when a trukc cam over a crest, and ran straight into it - one was hit and flung onto a small car that was overtaking the truck... hell of a mess.

    Point is - when you overtake and change back - leave a big gap, since you don't know when something might happen suddenly... then who gets the blame for any rear-ender because YOU have to brake hard suddenly?

    Think ahead... some need a head to think with....
    WideBayMike
    11th Jan 2019
    3:02pm
    I found a way to stop being tailgated. Buy a car that runs on lpg. I can guarantee those lpg fumes will get rid of tailgaters quick smart.
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    4:09pm
    Old Man - "Why have shopping centres taken the disabled parking spaces and turned them into pram spaces"
    From my experience there are still the same number if not more disabled spots, the parents with pram spots are near doors so that they don't have to maneuver through the carpark traffic with a pram and often other kids running around.
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2019
    4:54pm
    So, Greg, it's OK for elderly folk on walkers and in wheelchairs to manoeuver through the carpark traffic with less agility and reaction time than young mothers?
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    10:41pm
    Old Man - get off the illegal drugs buddy, read what I wrote, disabled spots are still there, plenty of them, the carparks have removed regular spots and replaced them with the parents with prams. you asked why have shopping centres install the parents with prams spots so I told you and then you have a go at me.

    Bloody hell, I hope I don't get as stupid, selfish and ignorant as you when I'm older.
    Troubadour
    11th Jan 2019
    10:57am
    Who is it you see weaving in and out of traffic dangerously, pulling out in front from intersections when there is a free road behind the car you pulled in front of - not the elderly but the under 50's - happens time and time again. You statisticians - how many drink drivers are there in the over 65 range? Yes Von accidents are caused for many different reasons and it is unfair to lump them all with the over 65's.
    Johno
    11th Jan 2019
    11:03am
    It's not so much about age but rather how confident and competent we are behind the wheel.

    11th Jan 2019
    11:15am
    Mobility is crucial to the independence and quality of life of older people. It is far cheaper to assist older people to continue an independent life in their own home. The needs of older people should be taken into account in town planning and transport policy.

    11th Jan 2019
    11:16am
    My accident and speeding fine rates have not changed since I started driving at 18 except for a brief lull in my 40’s when I musta had mid life crisis
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    12:34pm
    You remind me of a chap I met - his annual report said:- "This is a very consistent (Army Air) officer - he has as many landings as he does takeoffs."
    Sundays
    11th Jan 2019
    1:20pm
    OMG what a waste of money Lothario. I’m still smarting about my one $300 fine 10 years ago!
    ROB
    11th Jan 2019
    11:19am
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    11th Jan 2019
    11:27am
    Age is not a set of numbers, it's a state of mind.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:29pm
    And state of health.
    GingerMeggs
    11th Jan 2019
    11:31am
    For young drivers who have a bad driving record or crash record.
    They should be forced to spend a day or more doing advanced driver training so the learn some decent driver skills and knowledge of the road rules.
    AT their personal expense as part of the court order against them and or as a way to reduce the restrictions imposed on them by loss of driver points.
    If the law makers open their eyes the can see this would be a real help and provide some more jobs for the road safety industry.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:30pm
    I think it is a great idea, if you have been caught 3 times, then do a course. Fining does not deter bad drivers.
    Goldie
    11th Jan 2019
    11:38am
    Have had my Licence since May 1958 and have only been pulled over once - in 1983 and received a 'Caution'..... I still drive regularly and cannot believe they still want to stop the older drivers from having their independence - YES do see some that should not be driving however every day of the week we see on the News accidents where a driver has overturned/hit a pole/tree and they are in majority of cases young teenagers or in their 20's. Have to wonder how many in this age group are not reported. The worse drivers in my area (Gold Coast) are the 'tradies' and young FEMALE "P" platers.... completely irresponsible and with the i-phone in one hand - Just another thing aged drivers do not do.
    Toots
    11th Jan 2019
    11:56am
    I am 70 years of age. I follow all the road rules and have my wits about me at all times. I got my licence at 18 years of age and was tested by a police officer. How about providing information on the younger generation as to how many are killed on the roads each year, and the cause of the accident. It would be very interesting I am sure.
    ashydasher
    11th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    Survey and comments include too many assumptions, personal experiences and incorrect statements to be of use, not the least of which are those which put forward statistics as facts which they are not, they merely indicate a tendency within a group. The quoted high rate of injuries for seniors is a case in point - there is no indication of effect on pre-existing health problem being an issue, whether the people involved are drivers, passengers in cars or buses, or pedestrians. The reader can be left with the false impression that advanced age alone means seniors are bad drivers.
    My personal view is that if regulations should be introduced covering fitness to drive then they should apply to all.
    Valalan
    11th Jan 2019
    12:04pm
    I was awarded a gold medal and a lifetime RAC membership in recent times for fifty years driving without a problem of any kind.I am 81
    Misty
    11th Jan 2019
    12:08pm
    Stats show younger drivers have the most fatalities.
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2019
    12:19pm
    Yes - but when you break it down
    Women have the most accidents
    Younger women have the most followed by older women, younger men and lastly older men
    No studies have been done on the other genders as yet
    Sundays
    11th Jan 2019
    1:33pm
    Where do you get these figures from. 72% of fatalities between 2013 and 2017 involved young men. Young men are also involved in more accidents, and receive more fines for speeding and mobile use. Just look up official transport stats, or those from insurance companies. Difficult to break down the numbers and turn men into women
    Misty
    11th Jan 2019
    1:42pm
    I know it is Sunday, but don't worry Lothario will do his best I am sure.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:32pm
    I think Lothario makes it up,just like a lot of his comments.
    Greg
    11th Jan 2019
    11:01pm
    Lothario - why do you constantly dribble BS on this site, either you are just full of crap or plain stupid - I'd go with the latter.

    You just make yourself look stupid when stating your "facts" as you see it when those facts can easily be checked. You make plenty of political comments on here too and again your "facts" are just like this comment above, BS.

    Your track record is poor Lothario, give it up now and stop boring people with your tripe.

    Women DO NOT have the most accidents.

    https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/car-insurance/research/car-accident-statistics.html
    Funkee
    11th Jan 2019
    12:18pm
    The worst drivers are P platers, in particular you girls, and a close second to them is young mums. Young Females are more aggressive, take more risks and generally more impatient than others. They are also the least experienced and most like to go belly up when they find themselves in a situation they don't know how to react to. Young males are not far behind them either BTW. I think I'm reasonably well qualified to comment as I'm a truck driver and on the roads all day, either in a B Double or a semi, and I see it all. I'm also 67, driven more mile than you could poke a stick at, and never (so far) caused an accident. Been in a couple that were caused by car drivers though. Being an older aged driver is no indicator of how well you do as a driver. If you were a crappy driver with little confidence as a younger person, you'll be the same or worse as you age. If you were a good, aware and alert driver as a younger person you'll carry that with you well into old age, so long as you don't cop some debilitating brain disease of course. Some people are natural drivers, the rest are taught. You can't legislate this stuff.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:44pm
    The young men have most likely already lost their licence, I don't see how young girls are worse than young men at all, not from my own observations.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    5:58pm
    Ride the highway some time, music... get your kicks on route 66....
    Barbara Mathieson
    11th Jan 2019
    12:20pm
    Every day we hear of young drivers crashing into homes / someone’s garage etc.
    It’s getting to be very common.
    However here in Qld we are tested every year over the age of 75 for any medical conditions/ eyesight .
    Not a practical test though, perhaps that would be useful?
    I learnt to drive at 15, 64 years ago. No serious accidents yet!!
    Must be lucky!
    Sundays
    11th Jan 2019
    1:26pm
    The problem in Qld is the doctors often just sign that the person can continue to drive. I have a couple of friends who believe their very elderly parents should no longer drive and are scared to get in the car with them.. Parent doesn’t agree, and doctor still giving the OK. Should be a practical test definitely.
    Misty
    11th Jan 2019
    1:44pm
    Same here in NSW, Dr's test after you turn 75 every year.
    Hillbillypete
    11th Jan 2019
    12:27pm
    I drive a 17m motor home and don’t plane on stopping for a long time!
    Foxy
    11th Jan 2019
    1:52pm
    ... looks like ya' ran over ya' face with ya' motor home if ya' Avatar anything to go by?
    Hillbillypete
    11th Jan 2019
    2:26pm
    Backed over it twice!!!
    Foxy
    11th Jan 2019
    2:43pm
    lol ...... least you have humour - nice! :-)
    OnlyDaughter
    11th Jan 2019
    12:49pm
    I believe in 5 year driving assessments for everyone and once you reach a certain age, say 80, annual driving assessments in both town and freeway driving. I also believe in far harsher penalties for infringing road rules - not monetary ones, but loss of licence penalties. Drivers need to be constantly reminded that having a licence to drive is a privilege, not a right.
    I am horrified at a lot of the driving I regularly observe. P-platers exceeding the speed limit by 20+mph, mothers taking their kids to school 20+kph and tradesmen driving at 30+kph, drivers overtaking on hills, drivers overtaking on double white lines, drivers driving around corners with half their vehicle on the wrong side of the road......and these are all “young” people.
    I live in a rural area, just outside a state capital city. There are few Police - the occasional unmarked car - and people drive without much fear of detectionofmtheir bad habits. My street is off a main road, 19k in length, and over the past 25years, I can recall at least 15 people dying in road accidents on this road - 2 within 500m of the entrance to my street, in separateaccidents, on a straight stretch of of road. They hit trees at speed. None of these people were pensioners, the youngest being just 18.
    Yes, older people do cause accidents and the few that all proportion by the media, with loud cries of putting these terrible old drivers off the road. But most accidents are caused by non-elderly drivers with very bad driving habits that have developed, unchecked, for years. These are the people who need to be pulled up and told to shape up or lose their licence.
    hyacinth
    11th Jan 2019
    1:05pm
    How many people in the younger age groups (below 70) were killed or died from road accidents in the same period?
    I see more bad driving from parents taking their children to and from school ( who often speed too)than I do of older more experienced drivers . Older drivers are not as impatient or reckless. They value life more.
    Oma
    11th Jan 2019
    1:05pm
    I am 70 years old have never been in an accident of my causing. the 2 accidents I was involved in were caused by a young driver, who was sleep deprived and ran into the back of my car while I was stationary at the traffic lights. The second I was a passenger in a car that was stationary at the traffic lights by a young driver who was more than 4 times over the legal alcohol limit. He hit my car passenger side at the back. Speed was also a factor. I believe that driving at any age depends on the actual ability of the driver not age.
    Arisaid
    11th Jan 2019
    1:16pm
    I do not speed, I keep within the speed limit and road conditions. I find P platers are the worst drivers on the road and speed far too much. Mums with kids in the car are often distracted (not surprisingly). Tradies also speed and cut in on you. Car parks are a nightmare, but often that is caused by the stupid pedestrians who won't get off to the side!! My husband has given up driving pretty much now. He hasn't driven at night for years. 43 year old daughter does not drive at night as her night vision is not good. Uber is good for her!! I've been driving for 50 years and safely.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:51pm
    Car parks are too small for all the big SUV's there are now, designed for the little cars I think. I was reversing out the other day and a family of little kids where hovering at the back of their car while mum put the groceries in and completely oblivious to me trying to get out, stressed me out that the kids would move in my pathway.
    venturers
    11th Jan 2019
    1:17pm
    Now 73.
    Stopped riding my cruiser at 70.
    General road users have become aggressive,drugged and inconsiderate.
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    6:01pm
    Pair of 20mm cannon and an upper turret will soon sort that out.....
    SGW
    11th Jan 2019
    1:31pm
    It depends on the individual, i'm 69 and drive a road train, one of my work mates is 75, we get tested by the company yearly and have a medical every year
    Foxy
    11th Jan 2019
    1:55pm
    ..... impressive!! :-) Road trains are amazing!
    Gammer
    11th Jan 2019
    1:40pm
    We were concerned about my 93 year old dad’s driving (he’d had several minor accidents in recent months) so we arranged for him to sit a driving test which he failed (did not put his seat belt on, failed to indicate, hit the kerb several times, etc). Amazingly, because his licence was current until August this year his licence was not taken from him. We managed to persuade him that he wasn’t safe on the road and gave his car away but still can’t understand why his licence was not seized when he failed the test!!
    hyacinth
    11th Jan 2019
    1:49pm
    I am tired of drivers sitting on my tail when I do as the speed sign directs eg 40 means 40 not 50 or 60. This is where younger drivers are intolerant always in a rush. I shudder when I see P Plate drivers disregarding rules. I agree that the majority of young female drivers are the rudest road users and often take reckless risks putting the lives of other road users in danger.I get very cross when I see parents with a car load of children disobey speed signs when taking children to and from school and still the media prefer to query the rights of people over a certain age to drive.Have you noticed that when there is a shortage of news , this is the subject that is always brought up?
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:46pm
    I personally think young men are worse, don't know why you are singling out young female drivers, maybe there are more out on the road when and where you travel. And yes I hate tailgaters too. Just pull over an let them pass if you can, a lot safer.
    The Sheriff
    11th Jan 2019
    2:31pm
    Hey Treb, should've gone to Spectsavers, mate. The cops would have been shaking their fists at you
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    6:02pm
    Damn and I thought we were all mates up here....
    Jim
    11th Jan 2019
    2:38pm
    Why do I have to put an answer to some of the questions when none of the answers are relevant, I have held a truck licence for more than 50 years and have spent many hours on the road in all conditions, and that is where I see most of the bad driving occur, people just don’t drive to the conditions, and mostly this applies to younger drivers, they may have better reflexes than older people, that alone doesn’t prevent them from having accidents or from causing accidents to other drivers, something I have noticed over the last 20 years is that people think indicating is optional, I guess where you live makes a difference to driving habits, but generally I have noticed younger drivers tend to speed more than older drivers especially in bad driving conditions, not sure if I was a rev head when I was younger but I think we had more consideration for other road users, perhaps the question that should asked is should everyone be tested every few years to see if they are still as capable as when they first started to drive, I think that would be a no in many cases, I am of course speaking in general terms, I am sure there are some good younger drivers out there, but I do notice often when some drivers pass me at speed, they are quite often sporting a p plate.
    Hillbillypete
    11th Jan 2019
    2:46pm
    Second that!
    fredlet02
    11th Jan 2019
    2:41pm
    luv me drivin aint had a bingle or nuthin 4 over 50 years never bin booked in me life was basicly a city delivery boy all me workin life the only real worry I ever had was building verander roofs cos 90% of the time the trucks hight was higher but think I only cleaned up about 4-5 in upwards of 4 mill K/s city delivery boy aye long an short still luv me drivin
    Annick
    11th Jan 2019
    3:11pm
    I have been driving since I was 17 only 3 minor accidents none were my fault. I have never lost any demerit points or received any fines before the point system came in. I am aware of cars, trucks, motorbikes and cyclists around me and feel I am a safe driver. I get tooted by younger drives mainly I think because of my grey hair and I drive to the speed limit. Would be interesting to do the same inquiry on younger drivers.
    Karl Marx
    11th Jan 2019
    3:13pm
    What about riding a motorbike. I still ride & don't intend to stop riding even overseas I rent motorbikes or ride friends bikes. I new a bloke in his 90's (Mr Mutt) that rode his bike to bike rallies pulling a small trailer.
    Gee Whiz
    11th Jan 2019
    3:42pm
    Older drivers are some of the best drivers in the country compared to other driver statists. Inexperienced younger drivers are a menace on the road not to mention "cowboy truck drivers".

    Its time to stop denigrating older drivers. They are just as entitled to drive as the young hoons, the p -platers and the learners. Older drivers have more sense that these
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2019
    4:32pm
    I agree Gee Whiz. Age should not be a factor. Any drivers coming out of Victoria need more training regardless of their age.
    pjvixen
    11th Jan 2019
    3:48pm
    My parents still drove till their deaths at 89 and 92 and I expect to do the same as long as I am able to react efficiently to all driving situations.
    Retired Knowall
    13th Jan 2019
    7:14pm
    My Uncle died in his sleep at 92, not like the other 4 in his car that died screaming for him to wake up.
    Karl Marx
    13th Jan 2019
    8:20pm
    Remember kiwi Denny Hulme ex F1 world champion who had a massive heart attack on the 4th October 1992 (aged 56) during the Bathurst 1000, Who would off figured. Still driving & actively racing.
    Had an uncle 63, same happened on the way home from work, found him slumped over on the side of the road next morning, luckily he pulled over & stopped. 150 meters from home.
    Both would of passed medicals with flying colours.
    Beemee
    11th Jan 2019
    4:09pm
    The time to quit driving is when my husband cuts up my drivers license. We have both made a pact, too many errors that maybe safe where no one is hurt including us, will sound the death knell. Right at this moment my husband at 78 is alert and focused, but the day he isn't, out with the scissors.
    Golden Oldie
    11th Jan 2019
    4:42pm
    How many elderly people die on our roads in accidents caused by stupid, impatient, careless, speeding younger drivers, tailgating other drivers, or those with a skinfull of grog or drugs? Where I live I am constantly aware of the dangers of drivers sppeding through roundabouts abd red lights. Also being tailgated when driving at the speed limit.
    Blinky
    11th Jan 2019
    5:00pm
    You r picking on older drivers, r u able to compare those stats to those of young people between the ages of 16 and 26?
    Older people are still driving precisely because they haven't had an accident!
    Hawkeye
    11th Jan 2019
    5:30pm
    Another poll designed to get the answers that the sponsor wishes to get.

    Example 1 - "Have you been involved in accident in the last two years? Yes/No", with no inquiry as to whether you caused it or not, or even if you were actually driving at the time, is designed to give the impression that a higher proportion of us are bad drivers.

    Example 2 - "Do you believe drivers over a certain age should complete an annual practical driving assessment? Yes/No" (to which I answered No) was followed by "If so, at what age should that annual assessment begin? which only allowed selection of an age. Therefore I had to lie in order to continue.

    My true feeling is that EVERYONE OF ANY AGE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO PRACTICAL DRIVING ASSESSMENTS AT RANDOM TIMES WITHOUT WARNING THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES, but there was no way of showing this in the Poll.

    THERE ARE LIES, DAMN LIES, AND STATISTICS (AND POLLSTERS, AND LAWYERS, AND ACCOUNTANTS, AND POLITICIANS)
    leek
    11th Jan 2019
    5:37pm
    As soon as I need a wheelie walker i will stop driving. if I don't have the strength in my legs to carry my body, then I don't have the strength to brake hard if I have to. I wasn't allowed to drive for 6 weeks when I had my ceasearians for my 2 babies for the exact same reason of braking hard. Fast reaction time is needed as well.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    5:41pm
    I am in two minds, mainly because my mum is 82 and her driving is excellent, never been involved in any accident. She knows her limitations, like driving long distance because she knows she would get tired. She needs to be able to drive for her social engagements which keeps her from feeling isolated. She also likes to drive to see me which is only 20 km and an easy drive. If she had a test and was having a bad day and failed, I would hate to think she would lose her independence that she cherishes. Most people will make a mistake on the road occasionally without injury to anyone so it does not seem fair to just single out older drivers. I worry more about international drivers who don't know left from right etc. Do they get tested when they come here?
    TREBOR
    11th Jan 2019
    5:51pm
    Besides - I don't need praise from Lothie or anyone else here - every time I get on the road the crowds are singing my praises to high heaven - shouting out "You Are Soul!" I smile and wave back....
    double j
    11th Jan 2019
    6:18pm
    I am a 1950 baby and have seen driving from the age of 18 years old. In my full time work I operated demonstrated heavy equipment and since I sold my business I now do some paid heavy vehicle driving for my son As of the end of 2016 I stoped driving interstate and now only drive in Melbourne and country Victoria. My vehicle is 19 m in length and I can gross 20 ton . The things I see sitting high in a prime mover I would most definitely say some drivers need to be re educated and re tested because I think they are way out of touch with current rules and regulations As the saying goes ‘’ did you get your licence in a weeties packet”” drive safe , the roads are for everybody
    Karl Marx
    11th Jan 2019
    6:31pm
    The more aware drivers are those that ride or have ridden motorcycles. Survival becomes instinct with experienced motorcyclists as we're always on the lookout for idiots in tin tops.
    Should lower the age to ride at least a 150cc for a year or 2 before getting your car license.
    Another suggestion would be for ALL license holders every 5 years do a compulsory advanced driving course before any renewal.
    Insurance companies give discounts on insurance like they do to bike riders
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2019
    7:27pm
    You’ve probably only ever driven on the extreme left and have tunnel
    Vision
    Karl Marx
    11th Jan 2019
    8:56pm
    don't understand your comment. Are you a tin top driver? never thrown a leg over including a motorbike.
    greatgolly
    11th Jan 2019
    6:40pm
    Surely you have better things to do than yak on for hours having nothing better to do, go and do9 some volunteer work or help those who can't help themselves, you're sad!

    I've driven since I was 12 in the UK, driven from Buses to tanks, now 73, clean license, never responsible for an accident and I class myself far faster thing with exceptional reaction time; now, that's all I'm going to say as anymore is a waste of my time and I will get back to photography of flora and fauna.

    Find a hobby and stop being judge, jury and executioner on people you don't know!
    Misty
    11th Jan 2019
    8:51pm
    Who are you talking about greatgolly?
    greatgolly
    12th Jan 2019
    12:27pm
    Sorry, Misty, it took me ages to find how to reply and still haven't found it yet, so I will do my best to answer your question. I think, over the last year, I have read a story with the elderly driver as a person with a bullseye on their back from, lets say, younger drivers and those I refer to are or were doing the same banter then as now against the elderly drivers!

    People hog a conversation negatively and sometimes for a whole day to a week, why? It's not that important; over the years I have seen more stupidity on our roads with drivers from 'P' plates to qualified 40 year old, who among many things, believe indicators are optional! Now, I do remember when there were only hand signals and it was not too often I saw more than a dozen cars drive down our bomb riddled road in a day, didn't have electricity neither and the toilet was shared at the bottom of the block. Over the years, the driving test as we knew it in the UK, was with an Inspector, now gone, and now they just have to drive so I was told, 16 hours, know a dozen road rules and they got their 'P' plates.

    When I wanted to become a bus driver, I had to take 10 separate 1 hour road tests on every bus and coach going, and there was no room for errors, including sleet, snow, black ice, and the dreaded skid pan, so getting licenses was something to be proud of as an achievement. When I came to Australia, having some basic medical knowledge, I , in my after work hours, trained up as a volunteer ambulance officer, driving ambulances; I learned more of the stupidity of people as drivers, but remained non-judgemental, for every fatality, someone did the wrong thing. Those years are very long gone and traffic has increased 10 fold and intelligence has dropped equally!

    When young I was told, " If you have something to say, say it, then stop talking and let everyone have their say, you have said your piece and they theirs, it ends there.", I found that a great lessen, do not banter on about something already spoken, and on these sites you will get two or three that hog the conversation, on and on, unnecessarily.

    I have now, myself, gone on too long and I have so much to study, even at my age, I can never learn enough; if we learned and lived by the "Desiderata", for those who do not know it, find it, digest it, and live by it, because this world would not be in the state it is now!

    11th Jan 2019
    8:23pm
    While the car ahead was taking the nearside ramp into the shopping centre today a nippy coupe slipped inside all of us to get in first. All of us slammed on the brakes to take avoiding action to save the fool's bacon, which the opportunist driver apparently expected to be the case.

    A few days ago a car ducked into my lane ahead taking up the conservative braking distance I had allowed for the vehicle and heavy glass boat I was towing.

    If there are to be extra proficiency and health checks how come it will be me and other experienced mature drivers who must have them and not the stupid, uncivil herd who are taking the risks (for themselves and for me!)?

    As if more regulation solves anything anyhow.
    mancub1967
    11th Jan 2019
    8:40pm
    I consider myself a good driver after years as a Paramedic, I have also found the general driving standard in the population has become worse, there is no longer any patience, and the general attitude towards any driver that annoys them is impatience and rude jesters and sounding the horn, I agree with the previous comment about how the younger drivers standard has dropped as well. In all my years as a Paramedic the vast majority of accidents were caused by younger drivers.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2019
    8:54pm
    The aggressiveness that has increased with drivers is appalling, why does everyone think they own the road these days, and what happened to common courtesy, but remember that for every horrible impatient driver there are many more good drivers who are friendly and courteous, I always give a wave and a smile to those who let me in or do me a favour.
    mancub1967
    11th Jan 2019
    8:53pm
    Interesting read regarding drink driving, I spent many years as a Paramedic and attended numerous accidents attributed to alcohol, this is why I agree with a low limit for anybody driving. I would also say that younger drivers are the biggest risk on the road, older drivers in my experience figure far less in accidents. The general standard of driving in Australia has become worse, its more an arrogance and intolerance evident when people get held up by another driver. Our roads play a large part of the problem as well with SA only having the one short Freeway with numerous trucks using it. Probably a large part of Australia is poorly served with not enough Freeways, we should be looking at more Toll Roads throughout to get more roads, look at Europe for an example.
    Charlie
    11th Jan 2019
    11:42pm
    This article seemed to take the elderly injured as passengers in car accidents, separate to those injured when they were the driver, that's ok, but I have seen some that wrongly assume the older person injured is always the driver, thus giving the wrong idea that elderly drivers are dangerous.

    Elderly people need to get around whether they are driving a car or not. I think a lot of people might go over to mobility wheel chairs when they can no longer drive a car and one day get the "electric chair" Some of these mobility devices can go quite fast, but I don't expect them to be going on the road.

    Some people might quit driving because they cant afford to run a car. I am doing most of my travel now on a 100cc scooter and only take the car when it rains. The car already has repair issues I cant afford, so I have to drive the car till it wont go any more and that will be it. When I have to stop riding the scooter the chances are I wont be able to walk either.
    ray from Bondi
    12th Jan 2019
    12:29am
    the government will bash any group and the elderly are easily targeted but not do what is needed to ensure the roads are safe, a consideration of the population is what is needed, I live at Bondi beach, now there are only 2 only effective roads out of the area due to council closures, building of the monstrosities that are nothing more than warehouses for people continue, I believe the road system is already far over capacity and that the traffic congestion causes people to do things they should not that is the real problem. But let us make everybody believe that elderly drivers are a danger, the fault there is the medical fraternity that should report people who are having problems for example dementor.
    taylah
    12th Jan 2019
    1:04am
    Just leave us alone we will know when and if we need to stop driving. Will make a huge difference to the volunteering if they remove our licence. Nothing to do with age, its about health conditions. Apparently doctors already inform if they think a person is not fit enough to drive, surely that is enough of a safety net.
    Karl Marx
    12th Jan 2019
    1:18am
    Precisely Taylah. All governments can bugger off. We have enough restrictions & freedoms removed by legislation. There are processes already in place so why add more.
    Giles
    12th Jan 2019
    6:13am
    I didn't understand the last question - ageism.
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2019
    10:12am
    I know Bill Shorten is not over 65, but what sort of example is he setting for us oldies? Smashing into parked cars after spilling his coffee, driving erratically while texting? But then again this is obviously common in Victoria.
    musicveg
    12th Jan 2019
    12:41pm
    What a stupid unfounded comment, that it is common in Victoria.
    Karl Marx
    12th Jan 2019
    12:55pm
    Get your facts right Adri anus, There was NO "erratically driving while texting". NO charges laid by police. Police weren't called as no injuries to persons only a few scrapes & dents to 2 other vehicles. Names etc where exchanged & the incident was placed in the hands of the insurance company.
    Your just making false comments & trying to make the topic political
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2019
    1:01pm
    Yep his union mates quickly covered that one up .
    Just like the rape case and other illegal activities
    musicveg
    12th Jan 2019
    1:06pm
    So your Liberal mates are perfect too are they Lothario?
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2019
    1:08pm
    Misty how can you justify Shortens disgusting behaviour by pointing to someone else .
    You are just as morally bankrupt as he
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2019
    4:40pm
    Thank you that's exactly the point I was making. When a community leader sets the example others think it's ok to do the same thing.
    Karl Marx
    12th Jan 2019
    10:19pm
    Lothario & Adri Anus you are both a pair of pathetic idiots who make false statements & claims. Maybe someone might pass on your posts to Bill Shorten & we may see you both fighting defamation cases.
    Fingers cross you pair of low life rightie trolls
    Karl Marx
    12th Jan 2019
    10:19pm
    Lothario & Adri Anus you are both a pair of pathetic idiots who make false statements & claims. Maybe someone might pass on your posts to Bill Shorten & we may see you both fighting defamation cases.
    Fingers cross you pair of low life rightie trolls
    Karl Marx
    12th Jan 2019
    10:19pm
    Lothario & Adri Anus you are both a pair of pathetic idiots who make false statements & claims. Maybe someone might pass on your posts to Bill Shorten & we may see you both fighting defamation cases.
    Fingers cross you pair of low life rightie trolls
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2019
    10:21pm
    Wow - someone has anger management issues as well as poor grammar
    TREBOR
    12th Jan 2019
    11:37pm
    We know, Loathie - but we might be able to refer you to a good counsellor.... are you aware that you are expressing unconscious anger issues there?
    Arisaid
    12th Jan 2019
    9:59pm
    We live a couple of streets from a kindergarten. I stay well off the road at drop off and pickup times. The (mostly) young women picking up their kiddies are lethal. They drive so fast without due care and attention.
    MICK
    14th Jan 2019
    8:49am
    When you are not capable of driving safely any more. We all know when that time comes and need to sell the car rather than do what is convenient FOR US.
    People never change however and it continues to be about 'my needs' rather than what is right and proper.
    Anonymous
    14th Jan 2019
    9:09am
    Your last sentence describes Shorten and his supporters to a tee
    ex PS
    15th Jan 2019
    9:44am
    Yep, where would the country be if everybody thought of others as well as themselves. Got to disagree with Mick though, the Right on this site anyway, is seldom proper.
    Lothario, from what you have said on this subject i wonder if you should be taken off the road right now. From what you have written, even if by luck and other peoples driving skills you have never been involved in an accident I would guess you have probably caused a few that you probably don't even know about.
    Anonymous
    15th Jan 2019
    9:54am
    Don’t be daft ExPS
    I’ve mever caused a fatal accident
    Had a few small ones like most drivers would’ve in their lifetimes
    Not all my fault though
    Arisaid
    15th Jan 2019
    11:54am
    Have just driven 5km (on way home from my daughters). A 4 wheel drive driven by a Yummy Mummy with kids drove out of a side road right in front of me - just as well I have good brakes. At a set of traffic lights on a very busy road a tradie in a ute went through a red light, just as well I have good brakes. Then, to top it all off was tailgated by a P plater! when I was doing the speed limit. I did nothing wrong and everything right. I have been driving for 55 years. Anyone of those 3 could have caused a very nasty accident if I wasn't aware of my surroundings and a capable driver!!!
    Anonymous
    15th Jan 2019
    11:57am
    Sure sure Arisaid
    Have you stopped to think that maybe YOU are the problem
    Driving around town at 20 km/hr judging everyone else

    Perhaps your driving pissed these people off
    musicveg
    15th Jan 2019
    12:44pm
    Geez Lothario I just can't get over your comment, how nasty are you to accuse Arisaid of driving badly when clearly it was the other's bad driving. No mention of 20 km/hr driving at all. You need to stop judging people on this site.
    Arisaid
    15th Jan 2019
    2:54pm
    Lothario you are VERY NASTY!!! I was driving at either 50 or 60ks depending on the speed limit in that area. I would bet my driving against yours any time.
    ex PS
    16th Jan 2019
    8:25am
    How unusual, someone with little or no driving skills trying to blame others for their own lack of ability. His lack of ability to argue his case has even led him to make stuff up to try and prove an idiotic argument. It seems Lothario has no sense of honor or shame.
    He is probably like a lot of "P"Plate drivers I come across, I travel along about 3 kilometers of straight road, marked with a single line most mornings, I do the limit and am constantly being tail gated, their is plenty of room to get around and the opposite lane is clearly visible, so no need to tailgate, it is a simple task to overtake. But these morons either haven't got the guts or skills to overtake, they prefer to try and make others put themselves and others at risk. Probably something that can be overlooked in young inexperienced drivers, but not from someone who is supposed to have built up driving skills over decades.