Friday Flash Poll: Who do you trust?

Which party has your vote so far?

Who do you trust?

The Coalition has tax cuts, investment in infrastructure and moderate spending on healthcare in mind.

The Opposition has declared war on cancer, plans to get the NDIS sorted and promises greater tax relief for low- and middle-income workers.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the electioneering phase of Federal Election 2019 – expected to be called at any minute by Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

It is believed the election will be called on or around 18 May. The PM wants to pick a date to make sure that his budget isn’t grilled in Senate estimates hearings.

In elections past, votes from older Australians have been seen as low hanging fruit. This time around, it seems they are being ignored. In fact, older Australians have very little to gain from either party’s policies.

Too often in the past, retirement savings have been used as a cash cow to subsidise government spending. Now that eyes are off your nest eggs, though, there is not much to chew on for older Australians looking for a party that will help them have a comfortable retirement.

Sure, the Coalition’s super changes will help some pre-retirees, as will both parties’ pledges to give you better access to medicines, diagnostic services and scans. In fact, with health being such a big concern for older people, the money measures may not factor in as highly as many would initially assume. Besides, cheap or free medical services – promised by both parties – means money in your pocket, as will a $75 ‘rebate’ on energy bills, so there is that …

The Coalition also has the advantage, or disadvantage – depending how you look at it – of having a full budget presented, whereas Labor has so far only presented the ‘sweeteners’ without costings to prove it can do what they say.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann believes Labor would simply raise taxes when in office to pay for its measures.

“You can't trust anything that Labor is saying because they are not giving you any details,” he said. “There is no details in costings.”

Mr Cormann has also skirted his party’s ability to back up its claims with numbers. When asked the hard questions by journalists in the Federal Budget 2019 lockup on Tuesday about the perceived surplus and how tax cuts would eventually only really favour high-income earners, he chose rhetoric rather than actual answers. He mostly reverted to replies containing the phrase “who do you trust?” It seems the Coalition is hanging its hopes on recent economic records that put the Opposition in the seat of power during the GFC – which many say we may have largely avoided due to Labor’s economic savvy.

So, now that both parties have hinted at their intentions for future government, and just ahead of an election being called, we want to know which party is ‘doing it’ for you right now.

Why not take part in our Friday Flash Poll and let us know?

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Which party will be better for older Australians? Why? We welcome your opinion in the comments section below.





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    jackie
    5th Apr 2019
    10:31am
    I am surprised that so many are voting for this Government despite the appalling job they have done.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:33am
    Labor is even worse.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:37am
    it's a Stockholm Syndrome-style, white people genetic defect, they want to be ruled and told what to think and how to act
    Polly Esther
    5th Apr 2019
    2:00pm
    Excuse me please, this was once a free country, not any more?
    It's their thoughts and decision and they will vote accordingly.
    I have the feeling that you would go somewhat berserk if someone interfered with your vote
    libsareliars
    5th Apr 2019
    2:40pm
    Totally agree with you jackie, it's got me tossed how people could vote for them too.
    Arvo
    5th Apr 2019
    3:04pm
    danielboonjp-Educate yourself-
    What are two genetic disorders?
    Monogenetic disorders are caused by a mutation in a single gene. The mutation may be present on one or both chromosomes (one chromosome inherited from each parent).
    Examples of monogenic disorders are: sickle cell disease , cystic fibrosis, polycystic kidney disease, and Tay-Sachs disease.
    Examples of genetic conditions that are more common in particular ethnic groups are sickle cell disease, which is more common in people of African, African American, or Mediterranean heritage; and Tay-Sachs disease, which is more likely to occur among people of Ashkenazi (eastern and central European) Jewish or French Canadian ancestry. It is important to note, however, that these disorders can occur in any ethnic group.
    The Stockholm or Helsinki syndrome is not prevalent to only white people. The syndrome is psychological not genetic.
    Now look up the definition of racism.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    7:24pm
    If you want to know what the Libs have achieved read this....for instance under Labor when last in office unemployment was 5.7% it is now 4.9% lowest since 2011...90,000 less on welfare.

    https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/key-achievements
    GeorgeM
    5th Apr 2019
    8:11pm
    Yes, it is shocking, jackie, given how they attacked part-pensioners with the nasty Asset Test changes from Jan 2017, based on a Budget Emergency lie (now they have heaps to hand out tax cuts, including massive tax cuts from 2024 for the Rich), being a broken promise (No cuts to pensions), without even Grandfathering (say over 10 years) as retirees cannot change their income and it did not allow pre-retirees time to make any changes. Disgusting number of broken promises should never be excused by the electorate, otherwise this is going to become the norm.

    The problem also is the arrogance of Labor (Don't vote for us: Bowen), bad policies (Franking Credits affecting SFRs at the lower end, but not the rich), Negative Gearing (protects the existing rorters with multiple properties including politicians, but will prevent the new / young buying new properties due to competition from the investors), radical gender agenda (will destroy western society built on Christian values), radical climate agenda (will destroy the economy and YOUR budgets) - the latter policies in particular being taken over from the Greens. They offer a de-facto Greens Govt - who in their right minds want that?

    BOTH Major parties and the Greens MUST be thrown OUT - we have tolerated them for far too long! Put them (the current MPs of these parties) LAST in preferences. The Retirees are one group ignored by BOTH, and must act to get rid of them BOTH, by using the strength of 3 Million+ retirees votes.
    HDRider
    5th Apr 2019
    10:32am
    I trust NO ONE who enters parliament or who tries to. Right now they are attempting to BUY pensioner votes via heating, the opposition are using cancer too buy votes in their latest gob off! They are SICK people in this parliament, trying to manipulate people like this.
    Stuff the selfish bastards, I'll not be giving any millionaires in the major parties my vote!
    ozirules
    5th Apr 2019
    10:54am
    totally agree.....we will be losers which ever side wins.....Pollies suck
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:34am
    Cancer treatment for most people is already free. It just plain pork barrelling.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:39am
    I agree ... these (political parties) are nothing more than gangs, who only go up through the ranks by proving how dishonest they are ... they treat Australia as a franchise
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    1:02pm
    OG ? Free ? My three ops cost me over $15,000 and the chemo over 12 months came out of my pocket, around $200 every two weeks for a total of 26 payments.
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    1:02pm
    OG ? Free ? My three ops cost me over $15,000 and the chemo over 12 months came out of my pocket, around $200 every two weeks for a total of 26 payments.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    4:41pm
    Pork-barrelling OG? Pretty funny coming from a LNP stooge, after your scumbag poarty's budget was wall-to-wall pork-barrelling.

    Put the LNP last, and end the rot.
    LENYJAC
    5th Apr 2019
    6:35pm
    BAN PREFERENCE voting
    P$cript
    6th Apr 2019
    3:22pm
    OG with his usual I know everything comments
    My partner has had cancer and it it anything but free. Despite of Medicare and having private health insurance.
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2019
    6:19pm
    Cancer treatment is free if you go public. If you choose to go private, you can obviously afford to pay. Public treatment is first class quality.
    Denis & Narelle
    5th Apr 2019
    10:57am
    Older Australians will be dudded by which ever major party gets in, but particularly by Labor. Loss of franking credit rebate is huge loss for a lot of SMSF. If current system is such a rort, why isn't it being cancelled for everyone, not just a section of the community. Labor's FREE cancer treatment policy is also a furphy. We currently have Medicare rebates for GP services but GPs can charge much higher rates (it is after all a free society we live in) than the Government dictates. Won't specialist continue to charge their rate of fees no matter what rate the Government says is appropriate.
    Huskie
    5th Apr 2019
    11:17am
    The proposed ALP changes to Franking Credits and Negative Gearing will effect all persons that make use of the "rort" not just a "section of the community'". It is just that the larger SMSFs and the higher income earners can absorb the loss to a greater extent.

    If you, personally, do not pay any Tax why should you get a "gift" at the expense of those that do?

    If you want to complain about GPs and Specialist Medical Providers charging above the Scheduled Fee, which is the amount an expert panel considers reasonable, then support a change to the Constitution that will enable the Government to set the the fee charged. After all they are the fundamental "customer" that pays for the service. At the moment the Medical Profession is the only section of the business community that has protection on fees enshrined in the Constitution.

    All Medical Services should be Nationalised!!
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:36am
    Negative gearing is a subsidy for renters. Take it away and you will pay lots more to rent.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:34pm
    Historically, OG, that has not happened.

    In my view the real issue is the rising price race caused by the banks over-lending on short equity, which has enabled some to accumulate numerous investment properties with little real collateral. Even the banks have realised they are running out on a very thin limb there.. finally.

    The result has been far too many house owners and too few home owners.

    That, to me, is the problem socially - the problem economically is that house hoarding has become a mainstay of our unbalanced 'economy', thus inviting further and further excesses and more effective control into the hands of hoarders and developers, which are devastating both the economy and the 'culture' of major cities.
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    1:05pm
    Not to mention Trebor the massive number of immigrants into the country over the past five years creating a supply and demand situation. Plus Chinese investors squirriling $ out of China. No wonder Mr Trigerboff is the third wealthiest Australian and most of the top 250 are property developers !!
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    1:05pm
    Not to mention Trebor the massive number of immigrants into the country over the past five years creating a supply and demand situation. Plus Chinese investors squirriling $ out of China. No wonder Mr Trigerboff is the third wealthiest Australian and most of the top 250 are property developers !!
    ashydasher
    5th Apr 2019
    1:43pm
    Denis & Narelle and Old Geezer are right, cancer treatment is already free for most. Problem is that those who have not had direct experience with it will think Labor is fantastic for 'thinking of making it free'. As far as 'how will they pay for it' goes, no problem there, the cost has been met for years, won't upset the next budget at all.
    libsareliars
    5th Apr 2019
    3:06pm
    Well said Huskie.
    Doc
    5th Apr 2019
    11:13am
    They don't realise people just don't trust politicians anymore.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:56am
    they don't care, because - as this survey shows - the sheeple will vote for one or the other anyway
    Oldie84
    5th Apr 2019
    11:14am
    I am not quite as cynical as some. I think most people putting up their hand for office are well intentioned. But I also know that whenever labor gets into power it ends in tears.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:57am
    you may purport to be less cynical, but display the ignorance of the average voter
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:39pm
    Good intentions vanish the moment the $4,000 p.w. plus perks times twelve start coming in. Touch is lost, reality becomes a buzzword, moving billions of dollars around creates a comprehension black hole when it comes to those on $270 a week... party politics enforce deal-making to suit the majors anyway, so only perhaps one or two incoming possibles are worth their salt.

    As for party sponsored possibles - wouldn't vote for any of them - they are not your representatives - they are representatives of their party and its sponsors and its pets.
    Troubadour
    5th Apr 2019
    5:47pm
    Labor just do now know hoe to handle finances - we will be back in the red in no time with them.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    11:14am
    Neither of the major parties will get my vote. They both use the public to get into power and then pander to their paymasters, respectively either big business or the unions and run the country according to their wishes. The tax system is based on failure; if you've worked hard, paid your taxes, supported bludgers through your working life and saved for your old age you get nothing, not even PBS benefits. When you join a club, register your car, pay your rates, you get a discount if your on a pension, nothing if you've worked hard and looked after your family. Multi-millionaires will still get imputation tax dividend credits but self funded retirees won't. Any country that rewards failure and penalises hard work and success will go the way we are going, we end up making nothing, importing everything and living on more debt.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:37am
    One party or the other will get your vote as that's how the system works.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    12:09pm
    Old Geezer, not if I vote Independent and as appears very likely the National MP who has done nothing except deny progress and cut ribbons, mainly for non federal government projects for the past 15 years gets thrown out.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:12pm
    That's a terrible attitude.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    4:43pm
    OG: It's a sane attitude, rooted in reality.
    LENYJAC
    5th Apr 2019
    6:38pm
    Get rid of PREFERENCE voting...
    GeorgeM
    5th Apr 2019
    8:18pm
    Preference voting is here to stay. The best thing to do in that situation is to be very calm and assign preferences very logically & purposefully - I recommend a strategy as follows:

    Put No. 1 for your favourite candidate (supporting Retirees preferably),
    Put all extremists at the end,
    Put your No. 2 as the one who you think can win and who may be acceptable to you, and
    Put the remaining in between such that the sitting Major party MP is definitely below the alternative Major party candidate (always keeping the Greens, being extremists, near or at the end).

    If enough people do this, you will a) know you did your best, and b) hopefully the useless sitting MP will lose their seat.
    Chaz
    5th Apr 2019
    11:25am
    Politicians are only in it for what they can personally screw out of the system to feather their own nests. I have no faith or trust in any of them, especially the LNP who are full of washed up wannabes and dinosaurs with no care for the country or its people except for their own miserable selves. Remember folks, politicians are there to serve us, not the other way around! A pox on both their houses!
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:57am
    agree 100%
    libsareliars
    5th Apr 2019
    3:07pm
    Agree.
    purplejan88
    5th Apr 2019
    6:44pm
    spot on Chaz
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:33am
    Looks like there will be a lot of disappointed people.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:54am
    Old geezer ... you're obviously one of the LNP sheeple flock and add weight to the saying 'no fool like an old fool' and make it harder for the rest of us ...

    Your ignorance is the common thread in pretty much everything you post, the most recent being "Negative gearing is a subsidy for renters. Take it away and you will pay lots more to rent"

    Both LNP and Labor have tried to outdo each other in helping the more affluent.
    I will explain this as simply as I can for you (and others) to understand how negative negative gearing is ...

    FHOG - first home owners grant was taking money from everybody to supposedly help people buy their first home, it just forced prices up

    Negative Gearing: where an LNP/Labor run government reduces tax-payers tax obligations and income from the tax-pool, that would otherwise go to hospitals, schools, old aged care facilities.

    Rental assistance: is where LNP/Labor governments take money from the tax-pool (that could be going to hospitals, schools, old aged care etc) and pass that onto Renters to prop up the income stream of property investors ...

    Multiple property owners could not maintain these properties were it not from the double dipping presented on a silver tray by LNP and Labor politicians.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:08pm
    Wealthy people with multiple properties do not use negative gearing so are unaffected by Labor's proposed policies.

    I don't vote so can't be a LNP sheepie. In fact I'm no longer on the electoral roll.

    Yes negative gearing is a subsidy for renters. Just watch house prices go down and rents go up under Labor.

    First home buyers can't get a look in now unless they have 20% deposit. Even if houses fall significantly they still wont be able to get a loan and buy. If they do buy and prices keep falling then they won't be able to keep them.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    3:25pm
    Old Geezer. Thank God you don't vote if that's your power of reasoning. If more people own their own homes so there are fewer renters, what would push rents up? If first home owners can't afford to buy now why wouldn't more be able to afford homes if prices came down? If the population keeps rising and more homes are therefore needed why would house prices keep falling? No other country in the world has negative gearing for housing and we have amongst the highest housing costs in the world relative to wages so please tell us of anther country with a growing population where housing prices have continued to fall over the long term?
    lefty
    5th Apr 2019
    11:33am
    If you vote for a minor party you won't have a say in who runs the country.
    The Labor Party nearly wrecked the country last time they were in power.
    I don't think they are any better now.
    All parties have their positives and negatives - the Greens are absolutely the worst.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:04pm
    so you'd rather vote for a party - that is a coalition of other parties - that is now a 'major party' and drive the country into the ground than try to be different?
    And please explain how Greens are worse ...
    Di
    5th Apr 2019
    11:34am
    I don’t vote on promises, I vote on what I see.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    11:35am
    On the 'sheep's back .. the sheeple predominantly vote for LNP and Labor.

    LNP and Labor share the same corporate sponsors and vote together more often than not, and still willfully blind political party loyal voters get corraled into thinking its a choice of Tweedledum and Tweedledee by a compliant media
    ronloby
    5th Apr 2019
    11:35am
    I would prefer to trust some one who has the people of Australia in mind, not their own hip pocket. But then again, it would happen to them also once in power so it becomes the same, same over again. These pollies have NO IDEA of how local Australians are suffering from all their mistakes. Roll on the election!
    lefty
    5th Apr 2019
    11:36am
    If you don't vote for a major party your vote will be determined by someone else.
    I don't trust Labor as they wrecked the economy last time they were in powe.
    The LNP are the best of a bad lot with the Greens absolutely last.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:38am
    Exactly right.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:39am
    Also put One nation above Labor and the Greens too.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:05pm
    now I know why you call yourself 'lefty' ... too many left hooks to the head
    the_Albert
    5th Apr 2019
    12:40pm
    Lefty, why are you called "Lefty"? Your views are hard right! (Perhaps not as extreme as Old Geezer's; anyone who puts One Nation above Labor and the Greens is contemptible.) Labor didn't wreck the economy last time: they saved it from the GFC (remember that?). The Greens are the only party taking the long view about the quality of life for next generations; vote them last if you don't care about your grandchildren. At least Labor, not being in power, are not guilty of any of the egregious examples of rorting and incompetence and division exhibited almost daily by the current government. Any treasurer who says we're now in surplus when (a) we're not, and (b) the projection that we will be next year when economic circumstances are forecast to be worse than now, doesn't deserve to stay in power and his party can lay no claim to being good economic managers. The choice may be between various bad lots but how could you possibly believe the Coalition are the best of them?
    GeorgeM
    5th Apr 2019
    8:24pm
    Bad idea, Lefty, do not vote for the promise-breakers who attacked part-pensioners otherwise you will get more of the same. BOTH Major parties (and Greens) have attacked retirees and neither will help them. We need to take action now by all Retirees joining together to vote as many of the current Major party MPs OUT as possible in one election.

    With the preference voting system we have, the best thing to do is to be very calm and assign preferences very logically & purposefully - I recommend a strategy as follows:

    Put No. 1 for your favourite candidate (supporting Retirees preferably),
    Put all extremists at the end,
    Put your No. 2 as the one who you think can win and who may be acceptable to you, and
    Put the remaining in between such that the sitting Major party MP is definitely below the alternative Major party candidate (always keeping the Greens, being extremists, near or at the end).

    If enough people do this, you will a) know you did your best, and b) hopefully the useless sitting MP will lose their seat.
    lefty
    5th Apr 2019
    11:36am
    If you don't vote for a major party your vote will be determined by someone else.
    I don't trust Labor as they wrecked the economy last time they were in powe.
    The LNP are the best of a bad lot with the Greens absolutely last.
    Di
    5th Apr 2019
    11:38am
    I no longer vote for a party based on promises, I now vote for what I am seeing.
    lefty
    5th Apr 2019
    11:38am
    If you don't vote for a major party your vote will be determined by someone else.
    I don't trust Labor as they wrecked the economy last time they were in powe.
    The LNP are the best of a bad lot with the Greens absolutely last.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    11:42am
    Rubbish lefty, so who has had the balance of power in the Senate for the last several years and the lower house for the past few months? The Independents can bring some common sense and non-vested interest to bear in both houses.
    DFishkeeper
    5th Apr 2019
    11:39am
    I don't trust any career politicians
    DFishkeeper
    5th Apr 2019
    11:39am
    I don't trust any career politicians
    john
    5th Apr 2019
    11:41am
    If neither the ALP or the LNP have anything much to offer older Australians, then this question is very relevant TRUST? I've been a working class person and follower of the working peoples party all my life, but now the workers party , the ALP have disappeared no longer exist, they are lackeys to the power broking unions, which I know about, having been active once upon a time for about 25 years. I don't think there was weakness in my union I think there was more than likely collusion between management and the "union" with a bit of laziness and a touch of gutless about them too.
    Consequently over the last 5 years I have grown to lose trust in the unions who are massively wealthy, and the ALP with a leader who has betrayed his workers in one instance a while back and other instances "he couldn't recall" in fact he couldn't recall a lot of things.
    He ruined Gillard for Rudd, worse thing that ever happened, she would have beaten Abbott?
    He simply cannot be trusted, he talks like a puppet and he seems to have it all rehearsed so as it appears its not coming from his brain or heart , it's just his practising of the delivery?
    Now the Greens have a gun in his back, he is promoting a ridiculous 10 year 600,000 electric cars , as well as his Green mates wanting to close down all coal fired power stations, while the rest of the world rolls on its merry way with coal, China / India just two with 2 to 3 billion people between them, we won't change emissions in the world believe me . Car costs up , electricity dearer? POWER STATIONS CLOSING.

    AND ALL OVER PROPAGANDIST LIES ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE , CONFLICTING OPINIONS OF GENUINE SCIENCE AND THE FACT THAT CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN ON PLANET EARTH SINCE PLANET EARTH COULD SUPPORT ANY KIND OF LIFE AND PROBABLY BEFORE.
    We can't stop it, its nature.
    So Bill is compromised, and never to be trusted... bottom line.
    But Australia needs jobs and better pay and it needs to invest in itself and start more manufacturing , when does Shorten ever talk about that 8000 jobs for the coal industry in this country, it could go down the drain if the Greens nut case boss, has his way with Bill.
    Bill Shorten is the working class average Australians man??????? HAH Not at all, he's his man.
    I have no idea what the Libs will do but I can tell you I will probably not vote at all, and get my name crossed off.
    But I would trust Morrison in front of Bill, in fact a very very long way in front of Bill. Shorten being PM is pertifying to me because of his Union background and activities, and the fact that the union movement is so wealthy that they barely need rank and file money any more, the amalgamated unions are worth Millions. WHERE IS THE JOB GROWTH AND THE GUTS TO DEMAND IT AND TAKE ACTION FOR BETTER WAGES AND CONDITIONS FROM OUR RICH UNION " BUSINESS" PEOPLE. They are big business now?

    And Jackie below asks why so many are voting for the LNP, it's easy Jackie, its because they are the much much better ,of a bad bunch, because they also need to lift their game. But at least they had a partial shot at the deficit, what is it 340 billion dollars, well if Bill and Green fool Richard get power we'll owe a debt of 680 billion when they are finished , beside the fact that you people won't be able to afford your electricity.
    Then watch that unfold into industry and jobs and then chaos.
    Because its a different world now.
    Climate arguing is nothing but politics, yet fools want to kill off our kids and grandkids futures.
    THAT'S WHY I WON'T VOTE FOR THE ALP, AND WHY I MAY NOT VOTE AT ALL, BUT I MIGHT VOTE FOR WHO IS THERE NOW , I AM TORN ON THAT.
    But really its an easy decision because Bill Shorten is dangerous, and Di Natale , is not all there BETWEEN THE EARS!
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:17pm
    ahh John ...where to start
    Unions no longer control Labor, the same corporations who control LNP control Labor
    I agree about Shorten, he helped LNP
    The coal industry employs about 34,000 people in Australia; the profits go off-shore, they don't pay royalties and receive over $3 billion in subsidies from LNP and Labor parties, who receive their commissions in the millions of dollars in bribes every year.

    Global warming is Fact; there are no conflicting opinions, only gooses talking about something they know SFA about.

    Anyone who votes LNP or Labor are traitors and not real Australians.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:44pm
    ... and the feminists, john... don't forget the feminists and all the other loud-mouthed special interest groups who want everything for nothing....

    At what point did one's home life and one's work become one and the same and begin to mandate that someone be paid for not working (other than sickness, holidays injury etc)?

    Is this not a de facto titling of motherhood as a paid occupation? Does fatherhood receive the same consideration?

    Just an issue or two...
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:52pm
    Time to just say NO - as they should have done forty years ago when the LNP installed the false paradigm of Affirmative Action - country has never looked up since.

    I have zero objection to anyone getting ahead on genuine merit and effort - I object to some being pushed ahead as a matter of policy - the biggest issue with affirmative action was that it had no cut-off point and has become cemented into place as the 'way things are' now - just like every other stupid social policy idea thrown at a gullible public.
    No 'limited' social policy - whether it be 'making women equal in the workplace' or 'controlling violence in society' has EVER gotten past the first step, none has ever moved on into a better and more refined approach to 'resolving social issues'. On the other hand each such policy has created more problems and social and economic divisions, for no real purpose.

    Equality is being treated equally - not being accorded extra equality, and governments should stay out of the workplace and out of the home, not jack-boot their way through them without reason.
    AutumnOz
    5th Apr 2019
    1:53pm
    John do NOT waste your vote by not filling in your voting papers and make sure you take a biro to fill in the spaces otherwise pencil can be erased and your vote changed.
    There are plenty of smaller parties on the voting paper and also for the hal senate so fill the papers in properly putting the LNP, Labor and the Greens last on the papers.
    lefty
    5th Apr 2019
    11:46am
    Totally agree John.
    BUT you must vote - you won't be able to complain if Labor gets in on the Green preferences
    beyond caring
    5th Apr 2019
    11:47am
    hey it's not hard . There has been times when I have voted for either . But I found out the hard way. There an old but true saying " look at the score board" or look at what happens every time labor has a go.. they spend spend spend... Govt dept's keep growing ... Many of us have been around paying 18 / 20 % home load rates .. but we still gave them another go.. how many times do we give anyone a 3rd / 4th chance.

    I don't really care to much about polies but look at the score . Overall this Govt has done a reasonable job... in compared to the last Labor govt .
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    11:51am
    I agree.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:18pm
    Labor 'spend, spend, spend'?
    LNP have double our debt and they're better?
    double your medication mate
    Denis & Narelle
    5th Apr 2019
    11:51am
    I note your comments "Huskie" but what a waste of space your comments are in respect to my comments. You have demonstrated that you obviously do not understand what the franking credit debate is all about. To refer to the payment of an excess franking credit as a "gift" is ridiculous and laughable. It actually is a mechanism that stops the government charging tax twice on the same amount of money - paid once by the company on their total profit (that includes my dividend amount) and then again by me when I receive that dividend amount. Some gift. There is ample expert explanations about this matter available on a lot of websites - why not try to educate yourself before you make stupid statements. And if you are still not convinced of the appropriateness of these "gifts", can you tell me why some people will continue to receive these "gifts" whilst others do not. Why not cut out the "gifts" to everyone. I am guessing Huskie you would complain bitterly if the government decided to reduce your pension by any amount, especially if they didn't similarly reduce your neighbours pension payment.
    So far as your comment that I was COMPLAINING about GPs and specialists charging above the Scheduled Fee, you have totally misunderstood my comment. I was not complaining - I said that it is a free society in which we live meaning that I believe everybody can charge what they feel is appropriate for their services and not be dictated to by government. I was pointing out it is deceitful for Bill Shorten to claim that cancer treatment will be free when there is no way the government's Schedule of Fees will equate to the specialists charges, to which they are entitled to charge.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:53pm
    Abolish franked dividends - pay your own taxes pure and simple - no argument left.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    3:06pm
    Here's the perfect answer, Bob, allow companies to pay dividends and claim those payments as a legitimate deduction leaving a smaller amount classed as Taxable Income. Those who receive a dividend will declare it as income with no compensating deduction for franking. I'm betting that tax revenue will fall considerably but the issue of franking credits will disappear.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    6:54pm
    Companies average 12% of their taxable income in tax.. individuals are squirreling away a fortune in franked dividends - if the tax system were applied correctly, tax revenue would rise with franked dividends abolished.

    Been through it times many already...
    Captain
    6th Apr 2019
    9:17am
    Trebor, as I have said before, a complete overhaul of our tax system is required. Companies, self employed average about 16/17% tax payment per annum. Scrap all allowable deductions and all should pay , say 17% on every dollar of income.

    Give pension to all over 65, and every $ they earn above the pension rate is taxed at above 17% rate. An in depth review by a panel of people smarter than me would refine the percentage so the taxable amount is correct, but do not allow politicans to have a seat in the determining of rates.
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    11:51am
    I am not so cynical to think that all politicians are evil. They are just people, not gods or robots. There are some decent ones amongst all the parties except perhaps PH who is not only not intelligent but hateful. The far right ones are also not okay. Not all LNP are far right and amongst them there are some decent people. ALP presents the most united team with a better representation of women and some stand out talent in their midst.
    I am one of the 10% who swing according to what is on offer. I have voted for all except PH type people.
    This time it is a no brainer, it has to be Labor because there seems to be some heart and the cancer thing is a clincher for me. It helps everyone. We are all involved because we all know someone and it is always there in the background as a sneaky thief.
    It is not about any leader but the whole party. I don’t hate the Greens either like some on here which is probably because they are climate deniers.
    Fairness is a big thing too. LNP favour the wealthy unfortunately. Medicare is better under Labor as well. Taking the both major parties on the whole delegating a point for each criteria of fairness, Medicare, jobs, etc. this time the ALP are ahead.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    12:14pm
    Paddington you are obviously not exposed the the day to day occurrences we have to put up with. Get out into the real world of over crowded public transport and roads during the busy times and not the middle of the day when you eventually get out of bed. Our infra structure has broken down and by that I mean roads, public transport, and hospitals. Can you imagine what 10 years in the future will be like. We have over crowded cities and I stupid governments want to send refugees to the country, what for? no jobs as it is for Aussies they leave the country and go to the big smoke. More than likely these imports will be on social security for the rest of their lives then their children (and I mean large families they are breeding more than you think some have 6 to 8 kids and from different wives) we are going backwards at a fast pace. At least Pauline can see what the issues are and has the guts to say it. So what she finds it difficult to converse sometimes and no wonder with the flack she gets from people like you and the media. I will go with Pauline but it depends on where the preferences go.
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    12:22pm
    Oh Jannie, I would normally say it is your right to choose who you vote for but it should always not include people who incite hatred. She is also not an intelligent person. She was not bright 20 years ago and she has not grown or developed any kind of common sense or a sense of what is right or wrong.
    She does not have guts, she is bereft of any common sense or decency.
    Sad that people offer her as a beacon of light. LNP as a whole are still light years ahead of PH!
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:56pm
    Pauline Hanson has balls - unlike many men in politics who refuse to stand up and say NO to nonsense.

    That said - I do not vote for Hanson's lot either, since she has a dreadful tendency to say one thing and vote another... hypocrisy and shilly-shallying (jelly-fishing) do not fit with me.

    FTR - I do not vote for Labor, LNP or Greens and I choose my vote carefully.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:57pm
    I'm a rusted-on Independent voter..
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    4:52pm
    Yes, Trebor Pauline Hanson has got balls for sure; she just keeps dropping them on her own feet and those of the nation if she had any chance.
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    5:57pm
    Trebor, actually she doesn’t Lol!
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    6:55pm
    Damn - you means she has no balls? Who'd 've thunk it?

    Dropping them like bowling balls - ouch!!
    Blinky
    5th Apr 2019
    11:59am
    I believe the Libs r a better, more reliable party. Labor 9s married to the unions m dont have a believable economic policy. I also believe the country will be invaded by illegal migrants as Labor dont have a strong immigration policy.
    I was dissapointed to see the Libs forgot about pensioners, and so did Labor.
    Labor's budget response is a poor attempt to mirror or better the Lib's but there is nothing there that is "their own." They just talk abour spending money n target "the top end of town,' typical unionist response.
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:19pm
    LNP are married to corporations that are screwing us
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    12:22pm
    Am I hearing right? You all seem to think there are only two parties to vote for.
    gerry
    5th Apr 2019
    12:01pm
    Please God not ALP
    Strikes ,taxes and the Greens together means disagreement
    I have been thru so many Labor goverments and Bob and Paul was the only good one

    Get an ecar if you don't mind turning the Tv and aircon off while charging
    Only 2 cars can charge in the street at one time unless you have a powerful battery,China and West Africa are planning to stop taking old phone batteries ,what about all the solar panels which are going to be scrapped thru old age from now on ,it takes 7 semiloads of coal to build and transport windmills,,,so in 10 yrs there will be 14 million petrol cars rusting on the side of the road,,,I don't like coal but until we can develop hydrogen or nuclear we are going down the drain,,God help a cfmeu green Alp alliance!!!!
    danielboonjp
    5th Apr 2019
    12:20pm
    mate, you are totally messed up / totally ignorant of any facts
    gerry
    5th Apr 2019
    12:01pm
    Please God not ALP
    Strikes ,taxes and the Greens together means disagreement
    I have been thru so many Labor goverments and Bob and Paul was the only good one

    Get an ecar if you don't mind turning the Tv and aircon off while charging
    Only 2 cars can charge in the street at one time unless you have a powerful battery,China and West Africa are planning to stop taking old phone batteries ,what about all the solar panels which are going to be scrapped thru old age from now on ,it takes 7 semiloads of coal to build and transport windmills,,,so in 10 yrs there will be 14 million petrol cars rusting on the side of the road,,,I don't like coal but until we can develop hydrogen or nuclear we are going down the drain,,God help a cfmeu green Alp alliance!!!!

    5th Apr 2019
    12:02pm
    I am appalled at the way politicians present them selves in Parliament, they go on about nothing and continually arguing against each other. We need action not a whole lot of senseless words. I think most will stay with the current government as not much else to choose from but I do think One Nation deserves our votes to give the major parties a scare. At lease Pauline has guts and is always on the side of the true blue Aussies and our country as a whole. All you gutless wonders need to think about this very carefully. Stop being scared about talking about the issues that are pulling Australia down. We need a strong government with a leader that actually cares about Australia and it's future. Stop this saying we have to be politically correct, what a lot of shit. Pollies are not affected by any of the day to day problems we all have to put up with eg crowded public transport and roads, the hospitals are over run and cannot cope, infra structure is way behind what is required now, what about 10 years down the track??????
    Sen.Cit.90
    5th Apr 2019
    12:55pm
    Hi Jannie. If it wasn't going to be a close result between the ALP & LNP I would give One Nation my vote so, One Nation will be my second preference. Perish the thought of an ALP Gov't
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    1:00pm
    The last time a PM tried for a Government of National Reconciliation, we got a Government of Wrecking A Silly Nation....and more people, not just children, are living in poverty than there were then... and not just in pure numbers, but proportionately.

    As long as there are party donors there will be parties that are lackeys to their donors.... and not to their service to the people and nation.
    Oldchick
    5th Apr 2019
    12:06pm
    It’s a case of picking the best of the worst. This Government has been a pack of self-serving, fractured incompetents. If they can’t get along with each other cohesively how can we expect them to run a successful Government. The pensioners, forgotten, the low income earners, forgotten. People are doing it VERY tough and this lot have no idea how hard because they’re so busy looking after themselves and still filling they’re mouths with the silver spoon, paid for by the very taxpayers they’re rooting. $75/$125 for pensioners for power, they’ve had a 10% pay rise this year. Go figure!
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:10pm
    Labor has the same problems but it's not news so the media is not interested. You only have to look at the Labor leader and deputy to figure that much out.
    BigAl
    5th Apr 2019
    12:08pm
    When Labour gets elected watch for the boaties. I expect at least 100000 in 5 years. Cuting Australia emissions by 100% will lower global temperatures by 000000000. Labour is psycho. Expect power shortages as they remove all coal fired power stations. Unfortunately Morrison hasn't been able to lay a glove on idiot Shorten trying to be Mr Nice Guy. So who do you vote for - not any of these dill brains or silly Pauline. Expect 0% interest rates and more debt and a global recession. Good luck. I think I will apply the pension because if you are a self funded retiree you have got Buckleys chance of making a living on share market.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:09pm
    They have their engines already started.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    12:19pm
    Big Al she may appear to be silly and has difficulty conversing sometimes, at least she has guts and is not scared to speak the truth. You talk about the boaties well what has Pauline been saying all along? I guess you all watch the "silly" media knocking her, no wonder she finds it hard to converse with the battering she gets from the likes of Koshie. Pauline speaks the truth and actually cares about Australia and it's true blue Aussies. I listen to all of you and I do not think you are true blue.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    12:21pm
    My biggest fear under Labor - those boats coming back. Wonder who was Immigration Minister under Rudd when he let all those illegals in.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    1:18pm
    What utter nonsense - more people are here illegally than ever arrived by boat and most illegal immigrants arrive by plane on visas - those arriving in any way seeking asylum and declaring so at a port of entry are entitled to be processed and vetted for security.

    There is zero difference between vetting them here (onshore) or somewhere else (offshore).. in terms of the validity or otherwise of their claim to ASYLUM.

    On top of that - the boats never stopped - they were intercepted by diktat of this nation's government, on the High Seas in an act of piracy, and then forced to a port not of their choice. Anyone on board seeking asylum was then told they could not be re-settled in Australia no matter what their proven status was.

    That is the only difference between Labor and LNP policies, and the actual difference is tiny compared to the real rate of asylum.

    What is more important is our current mix of approved immigration, and the reality that this current mix is pursued by government without leave of the people, or even consultation with the people.

    That last, the insolence of office, is far more important today than any other issue, including 'boat people'. I call it The Perpetual Civil War Between Government and People over who actually has the right to control and to call the shots.

    Last - NO boat person has ever been shown to be a terrorist in hiding... most of our 'home-grown' 'terrorists' are either accepted citizens via immigration or are the offspring of the same.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    2:57pm
    I'm not disputing your comments, Bob, merely pointing out that those who arrive legally and overstay have their background checks completed if a visa is issued and they arrive with proper identification.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    3:49pm
    TREBOR - you have forgotten the Iranian in the Lindt Cafe in Sydney. But you have your opinion and I have mine. As long as they are in your neighborhood it's fine with me. By the way I did not mind the ones from Viet Nam in the 70s - they could become Aussies. The new ones will always look to Mecca and Medina. The alphabet people (LBGTIX etc) better start worrying about the new reality.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    4:54pm
    BigAl reveals his ignorance by not even being able to spell LABOR correctly. Typical Rightard!
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    6:56pm
    Jim, Jim - Mand Man Monis was
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    6:57pm
    Try again -

    Jim, Jim - Mad Man Monis was AN APPROVED IMMIGRANT - not a boat refo.
    FREDDIE
    5th Apr 2019
    12:10pm
    It seems to me that Labor is once again up to its old scare tactics ! I was 74 when diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had a biopsy, MRI, PET scan and 39 doses of radiation. Fortunately I have managed to keep up my private health insurance, albeit with great difficulty, and the net cost to me for all the above scans and treatment was $12 for two injections that had a full price of $1200 each! So Mr Shorten despite all your grandstanding last night how much are you REALLY going to save pensioners or is your cancer treatment pitch just another scam?
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:14pm
    I agree as I have had cancer twice and cost has been about the same as yours except I have to pay $40 for the drugs under the PBS.

    CANCER TREATMENT IS ALREADY FREE. LABOR IS JUST BETTING ON MOST PEOPLE NOT KNOWING THIS.
    Old Geezer
    5th Apr 2019
    12:14pm
    I agree as I have had cancer twice and cost has been about the same as yours except I have to pay $40 for the drugs under the PBS.

    CANCER TREATMENT IS ALREADY FREE. LABOR IS JUST BETTING ON MOST PEOPLE NOT KNOWING THIS.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    12:19pm
    Freddie, of course the cancer issue is a scam. I have been diagnosed with three different types of cancer at different times and had operations for all. One turned out to be a non-malignant tumour, another a pre-cancerous cyst and the third was negative. At what stage is Shorten going to start paying for the treatment? After being told in each case the treatment is free its for cancer you then get a big bill because it turned out not to be? Like the present PM he is just a stunt man.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    7:05pm
    i well remember Mediscare last time around....this is just another version of it..not falling for it Shorten and Morrison has come out today and said it is free in public hospitals anway.
    Chainy
    5th Apr 2019
    12:13pm
    Try looking after the not so well off eg:low income, all pensioners bring the private health system under control or there will be no pensioners or lower income people in it because they won’t be able to afford the increases to the funds because of the lousy increases in pensions
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2019
    6:22pm
    Well, Labor is going to make more of us not so well off. When it destroys the value of work and saving, we'll all be poor. Some green eyed fools think that will be good, because they can't stand the idea that some people do better in life than them.
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2019
    6:22pm
    Well, Labor is going to make more of us not so well off. When it destroys the value of work and saving, we'll all be poor. Some green eyed fools think that will be good, because they can't stand the idea that some people do better in life than them.

    5th Apr 2019
    12:17pm
    The politicians might take the voter more seriously if we could get rid of preferential voting. First past the post is the way to go. Our once proud Labor Party stood up for the workers and now they try to be greener than the Greens. Look at the State election in the seat of Lismore. 40% National, 25% Labor and 24% Greens. So the Labor Party has the seat but the MP is only there because of Greens, and she supports the craziest Green policies and forces Labor to toe the line. Give us back our former Labor Party; I was a union member till I reached 65 years.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    12:29pm
    None of them.
    Leo72
    5th Apr 2019
    12:41pm
    Sadly, we have very few politicians who really care for the interests of their constituents,let alone older ones. You only need to delve into the "real' reasons so many are quitting Parliment before the election. They look after their self interests first. I am suprised that the "Gray Voters" haven't lobbyied hard to make both major parties do more for both Pensioner and Self Funded retirees.
    Jess M
    5th Apr 2019
    12:50pm
    I like the ABC and pleased funding is being restored. I also think TAFE is great so another tick for Labor. Great news from Labor about cancer patients receiving free treatment. In fact listening to Bill Shorten and Labor policies in the reply to the budget speech made me have hope especially something finally being done about climate change. For people not keen of Bill Shorten I say its the policies that count. I think the young people will be able to see the differences between the parties. Labor has also been united for a number of years now which unfortunately cannot be said for this government.
    wabbo
    5th Apr 2019
    12:52pm
    Bill shorten is Labors SINGLE BIGGEST LIABILITY. Bit like Tony Abbot was for Liberals. He is Manipulative devious and totally untrustworthy, toppled 2 previous PM's to advance himself and nothing he says can be believed. Tania Plebersec as leader I would vote Labor 100%. If Julie Bishop was PM she would get my vote but she has left. I am torn, I trust Morrison as a steady hand much more than Shorten but the Coalition have been a mess on Climate , energy and internal bickering.
    Sceptic
    5th Apr 2019
    12:54pm
    So 51 people selected independents without knowing who they are what their one issue is. There is really something wrong with their thinking power.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    3:42pm
    Sceptic. How do you know? I selected independent knowing who the candidate will be and what his policies are and what his performance will be. I also know that he could not be lazier, more negative and achieve less than the current National member who was sacked from his previous assistant minister job by his own party which says something for a do nothing, 19th century flat earth party.
    Deborah advocating for an Australian as head of state
    5th Apr 2019
    12:55pm
    My MRI for breast cancer is not covered by Medicare - I pay full tote odds. I too have franking credits but I pay tax. If a SMF retiree isnt paying tax why should they get a cash credit? It is an inequitable policy that needs to stop for those who are entering into making financial decisions about their retirement. Current SMF retirees have the opportunity to change how they invest money and draw an income. I like the vision of tackling cancer and the other infrastructure visions - building, apprenticeships and managing climate change policies put forward by ALP. ALP is thinking of our kids and their future too. Deborah
    Franky
    5th Apr 2019
    12:56pm
    I don't see any leadership and am not sure I'll vote. Will have a good look at our independents what they are offering. Maybe the greens....
    Please vote - it is part of our democracy and the right of us all to have a say.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    4:40pm
    Deborah advocating for an Australian as head of state.
    If I go into a shop and its full of rubbish its also my right to walk out and choose to buy nothing from what they are offering, ie I vote with my feet. If the only parties and prospective MPs talk and deliver economic rubbish I should have the choice to vote with my feet. If they don't get the publics' support they will have to lift their game. That's how democracy was intended to work. But then we don't have democracy anyway, we vote them in, they do the bidding of their paymasters, big business and the unions and then three years later they come back with more bribes and promises, hoping we'll fall for it all over again and we do.
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    12:59pm
    Neither. Its the worst set of politicians we have ever had. No-one prepared to admit that our efforts on climate change will make not one skerritt of difference to our climate but could send us broke. Political correctness rife. Debate on matters such as immigration shut down by the left and no action taken. No discussion on nuclear power. Get rid of compulsory voting then neither party could be sure to get their fixed % of the vote and they would have to stop chasing the swinging and loud minority vote to gain power.
    inextratime
    5th Apr 2019
    12:59pm
    Neither. Its the worst set of politicians we have ever had. No-one prepared to admit that our efforts on climate change will make not one skerritt of difference to our climate but could send us broke. Political correctness rife. Debate on matters such as immigration shut down by the left and no action taken. No discussion on nuclear power. Get rid of compulsory voting then neither party could be sure to get their fixed % of the vote and they would have to stop chasing the swinging and loud minority vote to gain power.

    5th Apr 2019
    12:59pm
    Has to be Lib/Nat's and they have the record of paying off the debts Labor always racks up as historically never have managed our money correctly go mad on schemes that waste it like last lot pink batt's lost lives and burned 100+ homes. Plus they always look after the pensioner battlers whereas Labor says it will and then cuts the age pension in 2009 for married couple which flows onto other benefits. Labor isn't the Labor of old - its been taken over by the Greens and their mad schemes in particular for redistributing money from rich to poor nations via energy hence scam of global warming and since it isn't - now called "climate change" which has changed seasonally for millions of years. Worse scheme already in hand - electric cars - means all we own will become useless and wont be able to afford new electric one even if could charge it - no charge stns built or will be in time plus how many wont be able to pay for electricity once even harsher hits as will put up power way out of range of most Aussies except the rich they demonize who provide the jobs we need anyway. madness has overtaken Labor and God Help Us if they do get in. They wont.

    5th Apr 2019
    1:04pm
    This vote will define Australia for the future - Labor wins we're b*ggered as they have been totally corrupted by Greens and their insane plan for chaos so we call out help and in step the UN - who never have really managed to do anything well at all and only good for the council discussions which held back 3rd World War. Lib/Nats are steady as she goes and have always managed our money and paid off Labor's debt which they always run up as cant manage money - Bill has been acused of using Union monies for self - do you trust him with billions of hard earned tax takes from you and your families? I dont. Swinging voter leaning towards Conservatives Upper House and Libs lower house or One Nation if a candidate and theri preferences to Libs.

    5th Apr 2019
    1:19pm
    Labor win will mean 2007 again boats coming arguments over legality and running up another 340 billion which is almost paid off plus cost of NDIS left as a trap for incoming gov and costing a lot of money but well deserved and its up and running now. Labor has been far too influenced by Greens and their mad schemes. Electric cars before cost worth for all and no charging stns - as well as high Paris agreements means electricity with going up another 400$ or more even. No thanks not for me and mine. Morrison is a bit too timid but as honest as any pollie can be whereas Bill already been caught in the Union's cookie jar for his own pleasure has he not?
    Sundays
    5th Apr 2019
    1:34pm
    In my opinion this Government has been an unmitigated disaster. It’s all smoke and mirrors even their projected budget surplus. There is no vision. They lie about the real unemployment figures and don’t give a toss about the very poor. I would like TAFE restored rather than these private companies that rip students off and pass people at the lowest common denominator. Cancer treatment is free if you’re not in a health fund, but people I know personally, have had significant out of pocket expenses. Yes, to climate change. Yes, to reigning in negative gearing, yes to stopping Refund of Franking credits to wealthy SMSF that pay no tax. No to a tax break which favours high income earners. Yes to a living wage. I’m not a member of any party. I have been a swinging voter but this time Labor has my vote. They also have the vote of a lot of young people and families not represented on this site
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    6:03pm
    Agreed, Sundays!
    Brissiegirl
    5th Apr 2019
    1:35pm
    I will never trust Labor again. Bill Shorten is as unsuitable a leader and as untrustworthy as Gillard and Rudd, both of whom he cleverly dispensed with to lessen his Prime Minister-in-waiting time.

    Shorten is captured on cctv swearing the F word at a sweet little shop owner when she couldn't supply his son with a pie. That tells everything - it is what you are saying and doing when you think no-one is watching or listening that reveals integrity - and the lack of it.For a union man to insult a small business owner in that style - it should be screened every night before the election as a massive indicator of his underlying manners.

    Shorten's peculiar promise to force-feed 50% unaffordable electric cars on his supposed working constituents by 2030 is absolute nonsense. There is not the electric infrastructure to power electric cars in a continent the size of Australia. When asked how long it takes to charge a vehicle battery, he ummed and ahhed then came up with 8-10 minutes. He is talking utter garbage. Recharging vehicle batteries is a far more complex task than waiting 5 minutes in a queue at a petrol station.

    Shorten's now promised free cancer diagnostic investigations. This is already freely available in public hospitals, doesn't he know this? It's not like the social climbing Bill to offer financial health assistance to privately insured patients, so what's this about? Another thought bubble/lie to try and get power, and indirectly power up the unions?

    Electricians are not qualified to work on phase 3 electric vehicles. You cannot charge a vehicle battery using an extension cord so for people parking in the streets this promise is cloud-cuckoo policy. It's pink batts and school halls all over again - without the deaths.

    What this country will get from these socialist goons i.e. the lunatic left, following their promises to spend, spend, spend, is going to be unaffordable, disappearing electricity, dwindling baseload power, then strikes and more strikes.

    I don't much care for any politicians but I'll never vote for Shorten or any of his lying socialist fools.
    Yer man
    5th Apr 2019
    1:36pm
    Which party got us into the financial debacle that we have had to service .Rudd/ Gillard reinvented. No thanks!
    Ayin
    5th Apr 2019
    1:54pm
    The very worst thing about elections is at the end of the day we will still have politicians and eventually, they will feather their own nests first. We in this country retire the brainstrust of industry when these very people would be quite happy lend their expertise to the running of the country for a better pension at the end of three years and the country would gain from having people who knew what they were doing running the country?
    Cheezil61
    5th Apr 2019
    1:59pm
    Can any of these seriously be trusted, honestly! Would have to be pretty naive to believe ANY politician! Informal voting for me again (none are suitable)> all only in the job for themselves & their wealthy mates!

    5th Apr 2019
    2:33pm
    I trust the coalition more than other parties. My reason is that Labor , and I include the unions, are already telling lies about education claiming that billions have been ripped out by Morrison. This is an unsubstantiated lie! Labor claims that the NDIS is unfunded. This is a lie! Labor claims that billions have been ripped out of the hospital system. This is a lie!

    The Greens are completely at odds with everything that Australia does to make us a country that is the envy of most of the world. They want electric cars, close mining, renewable energy in place of coal fired power stations. Their fantasies are unfunded and the effect on our economy will see massive unemployment, a catastrophic rise in prices and no income from royalties and taxation of mining companies. All other parties are mere nuisance value.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    2:57pm
    Old Man, Lies!! Then would you trust a PM who says as Treasurer he increased spending on aged care but it turned out he had actually decreased it by a $billion? Would you trust a PM who because he had a tantrum on bringing sick asylum seekers on Manus island to Australia, to scare the voters opened then immediately announced the closure of Christmas Island detention centre at a wasted cost of $186 million to tax payers? A man who moved an overseas embassy to court a few voters in Wentworth who have foreign loyalties but lost that seat? Would you vote in a lying stunt man to run the country who was sacked from a previous job promoting Australia because he was useless at that too!

    Yes, that sounds spot on for the ideal job description for a LNP leader!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    3:13pm
    Nice try Cosmo but you are merely parroting Shorten's lie when you claim that aged care funding had $1B decreased. You may wish to click on the following link to check another of Shorten's lies:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-16/fact-check-did-the-government-cut-aged-care-funding/10363758
    The other claims you make are political decisions, not lies, so I will leave them.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    4:03pm
    The Christmas Island stunt was based on a lie. The lie was that we would be swamped by rapists and murderers filling our hospitals and so denying Australians medical care. The cost would be $16 billion according to the LNP So far one person has been given entry under the legislation.
    floss
    5th Apr 2019
    2:39pm
    Can this country afford another four years like the last four years,think about it before you vote.
    Captive8
    5th Apr 2019
    2:45pm
    I extra time where do you live...or did u have private health...My Husband and sister in-law had chemo and ops and only pbs drugs to pay for

    5th Apr 2019
    3:06pm
    "Too often in the past, retirement savings have been used as a cash cow to subsidise government spending. Now that eyes are off your nest eggs..."

    UM. Are you wearing blinkers.

    Labor is RAIDING our retirement nest egg in a way that is unprecedented. Never before in history have we seen such a cruel, discriminatory and dishonest plundering of retirement savings. Even the LNP's assets test change, which was reprehensible, didn't even come close to ripping up to 30% of income off 1 million battling Australians - largely retirees who have worked and saved and planned responsibly for a lifetime and are now on incomes less than, equal to, or only a little more than the OAP.
    Brissiegirl
    5th Apr 2019
    3:20pm
    We know several self-funded retirees. They are not rewarded for working hard, saving and choosing not to depend on taxpayer funding for their latter years. These people are the salt of the earth whose only financial desire now is to leave their hard-earned family home for their children. Even that small wish is so often attacked by non home-owning green-eyed monsters and the radical socialist sector in this country.
    The very idea that those who have provided for themselves either with superannuation, investments (including an investment property) should be further penalised by proposed changes to retirement nest eggs, is an attack on the incentive to plan ahead and take personal responsibility for old age.
    No such impost on well-heeled, well-superannuated politicians - as we all know Bill Shorten is the leading light in Labor social climbing the moneyed. He appears to love rubbing shoulders with certain Australian millionaires whilst claiming to be a union man. Ïn regard to his pretend support for Gillard, "I don't know what she said but whatever it was I agree wiv it". The union boss can't even pronounce "th". "Wever, wivin"etc. etc. it sounds illiterate and for potentially communicating with international heads of state, an embarrassment to the Australian system that supposedly educated him.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    3:50pm
    Older and Wiser & Brissiegirl. I agree.

    Neither of the major parties will get my vote. They both use the public to get into power and then pander to their paymasters, respectively either big business or the unions and run the country according to their wishes. The tax system is based on failure; if you've worked hard, paid your taxes, supported bludgers through your working life and saved for your old age you get nothing, not even PBS benefits. When you join a club, register your car, pay your rates, you get a discount if your on a pension, nothing if you've worked hard and looked after your family. Multi-millionaires will still get imputation tax dividend credits but self funded retirees won't. Any country that rewards failure and penalises hard work and success will go the way we are now going, we will end up making nothing, importing everything and living on more debt.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    3:55pm
    I said it before - bad decision to be self funded. In a socialist-green world you become the cow that provides milk. When will people ever learn?
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    4:09pm
    You might be right Cowboy Jim but at least I am free to vote for whoever I like and I am not hanging on undelivered political bribes and promises to fund my life. My main resentment is that I have to vote for any of them, none of them are worth the ballot paper their names are printed on.
    Sundays
    5th Apr 2019
    4:25pm
    One Million battling Australians? Is that an Oxymoron given none of them have assets low eneough to qualify them for the Old Age Pension. Where do these ‘facts’ come from?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:45pm
    I can't find a pensioner with less assets - much less a smaller income - than me. But Labor will hand them millions as a reward for manipulating.

    Yes, it IS a battle to survive up to 30 years in retirement with increasing health costs and only a few hundred thousand in savings and NO PENSION INCOME OR CONCESSIONS. These people saved for a lifetime to not impose on taxpayers, and now they are being denigrated, lied about and threatened with 30% tax on every cent of income while pensioners get TRIPLE benefits and high income earners pay much less tax.

    But you keep endorsing a $250,000 handout to the pensioner owners of $2.5 million dollar houses, Sundays, while honest people who didn't manipulate are robbed.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:45pm
    I can't find a pensioner with less assets - much less a smaller income - than me. But Labor will hand them millions as a reward for manipulating.

    Yes, it IS a battle to survive up to 30 years in retirement with increasing health costs and only a few hundred thousand in savings and NO PENSION INCOME OR CONCESSIONS. These people saved for a lifetime to not impose on taxpayers, and now they are being denigrated, lied about and threatened with 30% tax on every cent of income while pensioners get TRIPLE benefits and high income earners pay much less tax.

    But you keep endorsing a $250,000 handout to the pensioner owners of $2.5 million dollar houses, Sundays, while honest people who didn't manipulate are robbed.
    LNPAPARTHEID
    5th Apr 2019
    3:20pm
    Unbelievable the amount of comments from obvious LNP rusted-ons regarding Labour. The LNP are going to be annihilated in this coming Federal Election.
    KB
    5th Apr 2019
    3:36pm
    I vote on policies .Not promises. Over the years we have had unstable leadership. Lost faith in the political system
    KB
    5th Apr 2019
    3:36pm
    I vote on policies .Not promises. Over the years we have had unstable leadership. Lost faith in the political system
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    3:53pm
    Yeah - I think I put John Gorton's name on the ballot paper before sliding it in. I liked his adverts for Scotch whisky when he was in retirement. Maybe then the pension was not enough, eh?
    Agnes
    5th Apr 2019
    3:58pm
    Like most people I say a pox on both their houses (the main parties.) But as long as we don't have an evil incompetent Bill Shorten Government, I am prepared to put up with whomever wins. Just can't stand the thought of hypocritical pieces of slime like Penny Wong, Plibersek or Albenese being in government.
    Sundays
    5th Apr 2019
    4:22pm
    Yes, I much prefer Morrison, Cash, Dutton, Corman et al. Not!
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    5:51pm
    Penny Wong is probably the best pollie in Canberra lol. You can’t dislike them all.
    I watched Christopher Pyne’s speech and thought what a decent guy he is. Abbott looked bored and annoyed by him so that is a winner for me. I think you might be a plant pre election Digby. There are a few on here today that are new. Election is underway lol!
    Let the fun begin....
    Karl Marx
    5th Apr 2019
    4:19pm
    no one is worthy of my vote.
    GeorgeM
    5th Apr 2019
    8:28pm
    Do you feel lonely with that comment? Don't, as I noticed about 20% in the poll said the same! There may be hope!
    Bellbird
    5th Apr 2019
    4:28pm
    The shameless money splash by the coalition leaves me cold. In reality our family won't be affected much whether the ALP or LNP win. However for the public good and preservation of our social fabric, surely we need more consideration for those really doing it tough: I mean the homeless and those on Newstart in particular. Gratuitous punishment of poor people really has to stop. And for goodness sake please let us be governed by people who are not scientifically illiterate like the coalition. Continued denial of climate change, shameless grovelling to fossil fuel industries, and stuffing the planet on which our descendants must live, all characterise the present federal regime. The nutters like PHON, UAP, Katters etc not even worth a second thought. Time for a change.
    I like where Bellbird is going with the comments - looking at the bigger picture and considering the plight of those doing it really tough. A lot of comments on franking credits seem ill-informed. Who has bothered to read the policy? https://www.alp.org.au/other/dividend-imputation-credits/
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:39pm
    They ARE ill-informed, Deborah, because they are based on that policy statement which is a pack of rubbish based on outdated figures and incorrect calculations.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:39pm
    They ARE ill-informed, Deborah, because they are based on that policy statement which is a pack of rubbish based on outdated figures and incorrect calculations.
    gerry
    5th Apr 2019
    4:33pm
    when weve been taxed to hel l,and the electric cars didn't arrive and the schools and hospitals on every corner didn't get built and Venezuela , Greece ,Italy look down on us ,at least there will be Clive and the Greens to hold our hands
    God bless socialism!! cos I can slum it and cos I had to stay behind,worrying when the workers were out fishing and going to the footy,,,A 30 hr week I did 70!!!

    All around me shops are closing ,,CFMEU begging Huggies to stay and soon they will be begging too ,so no restrictive practices any more

    I was told by my friend that his daughter in law who works for Qantas gets 2 years maternity leave ,for gods sake they forgot her husband


    Votes for 16yr olds yippy
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    7:03pm
    I would go offshore too if I was in business...electricity costs too high and becoming unreliable for one thing and only going to get worse with Shorten's plan for fast tracking renewables.
    TREBOR
    5th Apr 2019
    7:03pm
    In case you missed it - neither Labor nor the CFMEU are running the country at this time....
    gerry
    5th Apr 2019
    4:33pm
    when weve been taxed to hel l,and the electric cars didn't arrive and the schools and hospitals on every corner didn't get built and Venezuela , Greece ,Italy look down on us ,at least there will be Clive and the Greens to hold our hands
    God bless socialism!! cos I can slum it and cos I had to stay behind,worrying when the workers were out fishing and going to the footy,,,A 30 hr week I did 70!!!

    All around me shops are closing ,,CFMEU begging Huggies to stay and soon they will be begging too ,so no restrictive practices any more

    I was told by my friend that his daughter in law who works for Qantas gets 2 years maternity leave ,for gods sake they forgot her husband


    Votes for 16yr olds yippy

    5th Apr 2019
    4:38pm
    Put the LNP last.
    kinkakuji
    5th Apr 2019
    4:46pm
    The LNP coalition have ONLY one thing going for them with this budget.
    The ALP-Green coalition budget will be worse if they win this election.
    Why vote for the LNP coalition, when you can vote for almost EXACTLY the same policies delivered more quickly, or ruthlessly?
    An ALP-Green coalition will EXECUTE Australia's economy VERY quickly & mercifully.
    An LNP coalition government will torture Australia's economy, killing Australia more slowly & painfully.
    kinkakuji
    5th Apr 2019
    4:46pm
    The LNP coalition have ONLY one thing going for them with this budget.
    The ALP-Green coalition budget will be worse if they win this election.
    Why vote for the LNP coalition, when you can vote for almost EXACTLY the same policies delivered more quickly, or ruthlessly?
    An ALP-Green coalition will EXECUTE Australia's economy VERY quickly & mercifully.
    An LNP coalition government will torture Australia's economy, killing Australia more slowly & painfully.
    Dot
    5th Apr 2019
    5:00pm
    As a former Labor Party Voter I'll be voting for the Liberal Party even though they are anti working class. But God help us if Labor wins and with the help of the Greens the flood gates will open to the millions of human termites who are waiting to flood this beautiful country. As it is Australia is beginning to look like one big rubbish tip. Anyway that's my view.
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    5:55pm
    You should like Pauline Hanson then. She hates anyone who might be different like Asians or her latest recipients of hate. NZ welcomes people and has shown the world how to treat others. I don’t think any of ours can match the compassion of the NZ PM though!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:34pm
    OMG Paddington, you really are ignorant of the facts. I wouldn't vote for Hanson, but she DOES NOT HATE ANYONE. She wants to preserve Australian culture and tradition, and so should any sensible Australian. We are hearing cries to spend money restoring the lost Aboriginal culture and tradition, and songs of thanks for the culture and tradition immigrants bring, yet we are destroying our own. Immigration should be controlled to ensure our values and ideals dominate in our country. That's all Hanson is saying. She certainly does NOT hate anyone. As for the NZ PM, she can stay there. I would be appalled to see a PM of Australia promoting the wearing of a hijab. It's a symbol of the denigration and subjugation of women and a culture that endorses domestic violence against women.
    Dot
    5th Apr 2019
    5:00pm
    As a former Labor Party Voter I'll be voting for the Liberal Party even though they are anti working class. But God help us if Labor wins and with the help of the Greens the flood gates will open to the millions of human termites who are waiting to flood this beautiful country. As it is Australia is beginning to look like one big rubbish tip. Anyway that's my view.
    Grecia
    5th Apr 2019
    5:23pm
    For older Australians, I am voting for the Liberal National Party. The reason being that so many medicines have been put on the PBS by this Govt helping many people I know who are dealing with cancer and cystic fibrosis. As far as Xrays etc, these are already provided FREE by the Government. I totally disagree with the negative gearing changes proposed by the Labor Party when most investors are just mums and dads trying to save for their future. Labor Party says you have to buy new homes which immediately stops the mums and dads investors, making this investment only for the financially well off Australians. Franking credits should remain thereby keeping many older Australians off the pension.
    like where Bellbird is going with the comments - looking at the bigger picture and considering the plight of those doing it really tough. A lot of comments on franking credits seem ill-informed. Who has bothered to read the policy? https://www.alp.org.au/other/dividend-imputation-credits/
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:26pm
    Who has read the TRUTH about Labor's policy and not accepted lies, Deborah?

    I did an interesting calculation yesterday. My neighbour, who bought a $2 million house so he could claim a full aged pension - if he lives another 25 years - will get over $1.4 million in handouts from the taxpayer - $250,000 of it in cash franking credit refunds.

    Another retiree, who has $2.7 million in super, will not lose one cent of franking credits.

    Conversely, a retiree friend with a $400,000 home, $500,000, and an income of $25,000 a year will lose $7000 a year. If he lives another 25 years, he will lose $175,000 in tax on income he earns from his private savings, while a manipulator who is worth more than 6 times as much gets a whopping $1.4 million from the taxpayer.

    Labor claims their policy is targeted at people with more than $2.4 million. LIE. Their figures are outdated. People with $2.4 mil in super PAY TAX so retain their benefit.

    The worst hit will be people just over the asset threshold an on incomes less than, equal to, or marginally more than the aged pension - and the vast MAJORITY of the 1 million Labor is robbing are in that category.

    Labor is effectively declaring work and saving a crime - punishable by being overtaxed for life. That is NOT going to help the economy.

    I am reading repeated statements from SFRs that they will simply upgrade their home and take a costly cruise and claim a pension, because they will be better off with half the savings. Only an IDIOT thinks that is a good thing for the nation.

    Labor relied on figures supplied by the Australia Institute and it's now been exposed that they got it completely wrong as they totally misunderstood the way our tax system works.
    Grecia
    5th Apr 2019
    5:29pm
    LNP has prescribed so many new medicines on the PBS assisting Australians suffering from cancer and cystic fibrosis and may more. Not happy with the negative gearing when most people are just mums and dads with one investment trying to save for their future. The Labor Party is encouraging the purchases of New properties thereby dismissing those who are not wealthy enough. Franking dividends should stay as most SF retirees depend on this, otherwise they will be moving on to the Pension creating a bigger expenses to the economy
    There were no surprises in the Federal Budget on Tuesday night – and there are no real surprises in the Opposition Budget Reply with healthcare, education and renewable energy the main winners. Additional spending announcements in the run up to the campaign aside, now we have a good idea of what is on offer from each party should they win at the polls in May.

    The areas of investment from both sides are similar – health & aged care, education, energy and personal tax cuts are both popular and necessary social investments. But the application of funds is vastly different.

    Savings from the removal of the franking benefits, changes to capital gains tax and negative gearing will help to fund generous packages to support cancer patients, improve access to preschool children from one year to two years, and significantly increase funding for TAFE and apprenticeships.

    The scene is now set. It is Australia’s turn in May to endorse the Budget they most want for the country.
    Lookfar
    5th Apr 2019
    5:41pm
    Many people have fixed belief systems, but one thing is sure, when a party has become as dysfunctional as has the Morrison govt, it is time for a change, pull all their noses out ot the troughs and give the other party a go, - at least they will require a fair time to get their noses in.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2019
    6:36pm
    Time to change to a party that is far more dysfunctional, dishonest, and immoral. Yep. Let's try that for a change! See how much harm they can do this time before Australians wake up and turf them out. Just when we were seeing some daylight fixing the mess they left before!
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    5:47pm
    The deceit of all the parties is demonstrated by their names. We have a Labor Party in which very few have ever labored in their whole lives and which increasingly seems to represent people of the same ilk. We have a bunch of arch-Conservatives masquerading as Liberals and an array of rainbow LGBTQXYZs masquerading as Greens. I know they perverted the 'truth in advertising' laws so they didn't apply to politicians but if there is no honesty in their public identities what do they really believe in?
    Paddington
    5th Apr 2019
    6:09pm
    What a load of rubbish about the Greens! There is a range of people who are different across the parliament and that is a good thing but to say one lot is mainly a certain type is fiction and nasty and bigoted. Hate still flourishes despite the NZ tragedy.
    Mondo
    5th Apr 2019
    7:53pm
    Yes Paddington, I see a NSW Greens MP who was voted in a few days ago just resigned today because of the divisions and intolerance of views within his own party. I see absolutely no connection between questioning the identity of the various political parties and the atrocity that occurred in Christchurch. Bigotry is intolerance and It seems to me that the vehemence of your reply indicates a lack of tolerance and therefore bigotry to my views. It appears that many Greens voters consider their beliefs should remain unchallenged but are very happy to accuse others of various phobias and bigotry for expressing theirs.
    Viking
    6th Apr 2019
    3:31pm
    Well said Cosmo, I don't know what the Greens stand for either. A few examples; they want unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration but then demonstrate when trees are cut down to provide them housing or infrastructure or a rare frog habitat is disturbed. Most seem to live in the inner city suburbs but want to control peoples livelihoods in the bush. They want to destroy the country's main sources of income but want more handouts for the workshy. I don't see any hate in your post.
    LENYJAC
    5th Apr 2019
    6:33pm
    If PREFERENCE voting was outlawed we could vote for who we want and maybe GET who we want....
    Karl Marx
    5th Apr 2019
    7:36pm
    Don't you vote for who you want now LENYJAC. So you want first past the post voting.
    Ok, 10 candidates, in theory 1 candidate can win the seat with less than 11% of the vote. Yep, in parliament representing less than 11% of the electorate, if I was one of the more than 89% who didn't vote for that person I wouldn't be happy.
    Learn how to vote with your brains & not by some how to vote card given out.
    The great majority of voters are bloody pathetic. They see only 2 parties maybe 3 & vote preferences from a card given to them at the door.
    mr.auspicious
    5th Apr 2019
    6:33pm
    Trust a politician ??? Are you serious or this a competition to uncover the country's most
    cynical contributor ??!!??

    Let's establish at least one fundamental criterion that must be satisfied to justify trust ???

    Let's start with basic honesty - uncompromising adherence to facts - I 'm fond of saying
    facts are frequently inconvenient, sometimes unpalatable but ALWAYS incontrovertible.
    In other words suck up the real world or suffer the consequences.

    In the real world, and the financial world in particular, events move fast - today's budget
    surplus could become next month's budget deficit if the big players such as U.S./ China /
    India / Japan / Middle East are impacted by catastrophic " black swan " events.

    Which major political party do you honestly believe would cope the best when the
    economy is moribund and the future is worse than bleak ????

    In these circumstances socialism is a total and abysmal failure - the previous Labor
    government offered nothing more than " white elephant " infrastructure initiatives which,
    years later, have delivered nothing positive to the economy or the electorate.

    The irony is the same culprits ( notably Shorten & Bowen ) have the unmitigated gall to
    claim they deserve another opportunity ---- to do what ???. Ensure the Australian is
    granted third world status by the United Nations ?? The truth of the matter is that
    Labor is demonstrably incompetent when it comes to managing the country's finances.
    Their populist mantra is to impose greater fiscal " discomfort " on those perceived
    wealthy tax avoiders in order to appease their union financiers. The reality is that
    " genuinely wealthy " taxpayers easily evade Labor's clumsy attempts to extract additional
    tax revenue, leaving politically vulnerable groups, such as self funded retirees to be
    exposed to Labor's cynical and discriminatory fiscal reform agenda.

    This situation can be easily remedied if the electorate adopts a common sense approach
    to the agenda submitted by ALL political parties - remember to seek the facts and
    remember to look after #1 when it comes to personal finance !!!







    .

    5th Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    Vote for Shorten - the most hypocritical liar in politics and the least qualified to lead?

    (1) Shorten said the way we treat our aging defines our society, and people who worked to build the nation and raised children deserve taxpayer support. Yet he's robbing 1 million of them and crushing them after a lifetime of hard work

    (2) Shorten said openly he will not listen to objections to policy and will not consider changing it. Good leaders listen and respond. Anyone who digs their heels in like that is not qualified for the top job.
    Karl Marx
    5th Apr 2019
    7:44pm
    But vote for your employers O&W, the LNP, they already have the track record of lying & being deceitful to gain & retain government then steal the pension of 500k retirees. Mr Abbott & Mr Hockey ring a bell & Mr Morrison is just as evil.
    Vote Mr Shoten & the ALP, get rid of the double dipping FC's & the negative gearing rort & while we're at it make the family home part of the assets testing to stop people from upsizing or crying poor while sitting on a $2 million or more home.
    O&W quote " Shorten said openly he will not listen to objections to policy and will not consider changing it. Good leaders listen and respond. Anyone who digs their heels in like that is not qualified for the top job" Sounds like he's following the lead from Mr Morrison actually.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2019
    9:45am
    I would NEVER vote LNP, SFR, and I am certainly NOT employed by them. But they can't come close to Labor for lying and deceit.

    I was among those who lost in the assets test change, and it was DISGRACEFUL. But the very fact that Short-on-brains is attacking those SAME people and taking more from them makes his treachery far, far worse.

    The Morrison Govt held an inquiry to determine whether the FC policy was properly formulated. Shorten and his mob tried every way to STOP the inquiry, because it might reveal how bad the policy was and they didn't want that. And now that results have evidenced the wrongs of the policy, Labor is ignoring the issues uncovered.

    5th Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    Vote for Shorten - the most hypocritical liar in politics and the least qualified to lead?

    (1) Shorten said the way we treat our aging defines our society, and people who worked to build the nation and raised children deserve taxpayer support. Yet he's robbing 1 million of them and crushing them after a lifetime of hard work

    (2) Shorten said openly he will not listen to objections to policy and will not consider changing it. Good leaders listen and respond. Anyone who digs their heels in like that is not qualified for the top job.
    Karl Marx
    5th Apr 2019
    7:44pm
    Still repeating yourself just like Mr Abbott I see.
    travelman
    5th Apr 2019
    7:25pm
    There is no doubt in my mind, the only party to vote for is Labour, forget all the rest, Greens, Coalition, One Nation, United Australian Party or any other Party or Independents. Give one Party, the only truly united party who will deliver true, good policies for now and the future. As I listened it was like I could hear new fresh 'blood' into the dying body, our nation, this current Government created. Labour gave policies that were real and directed where they are needed, wages and productivity. Too long little or wage increases, jobs mostly part time and poor wages has given us the disease of a stunted economy. WE need to revive our industry, create new ones and that Labour will do, creating more jobs - full time jobs and apprenticeships - not part time but full time jobs. Too long, companies have increase profits, far above what is reasonable and have milked this nation and stunted our economic growth. You have to have a nation working, spending so that industry can produce more to sell. All this creates more GST and more taxes to further invest in new industries to manufacture from our resources. The products we produce will remove the need to export our resources for manufactures overseas to make our products that steals our profits. It is without a doubt this current treasurer knows little about industry as did the previous treasurers of the Coalition. The current budget announced by the treasurer is nothing more than 'fluff' and 'puff'. I could have asked a 15 year old boy with average intelligence to prepare a better budget for this nation.
    Oh I did love the accolades from the pubic gallery at every policy put forward by Bill Shorten. So many people have the wrong idea about him - I saw a real statesman, the first one for many years. People are so easily turned by the diatribe of small jealous men.

    Bill Shorten made my day because he knows what this nation needs, I know because I have seen this country slip down towards economic disaster and I too knew what was needed. I listened to the Josh Frydenberg's Budget and my heart sank with disappointment. It was just a bad budget - missing all the important issues this nation has been suffering for six years. Good luck to Bill Shorten and the Labour Party and you all - one guess who I will be voting for?
    travelman
    5th Apr 2019
    7:25pm
    There is no doubt in my mind, the only party to vote for is Labour, forget all the rest, Greens, Coalition, One Nation, United Australian Party or any other Party or Independents. Give one Party, the only truly united party who will deliver true, good policies for now and the future. As I listened it was like I could hear new fresh 'blood' into the dying body, our nation, this current Government created. Labour gave policies that were real and directed where they are needed, wages and productivity. Too long little or wage increases, jobs mostly part time and poor wages has given us the disease of a stunted economy. WE need to revive our industry, create new ones and that Labour will do, creating more jobs - full time jobs and apprenticeships - not part time but full time jobs. Too long, companies have increase profits, far above what is reasonable and have milked this nation and stunted our economic growth. You have to have a nation working, spending so that industry can produce more to sell. All this creates more GST and more taxes to further invest in new industries to manufacture from our resources. The products we produce will remove the need to export our resources for manufactures overseas to make our products that steals our profits. It is without a doubt this current treasurer knows little about industry as did the previous treasurers of the Coalition. The current budget announced by the treasurer is nothing more than 'fluff' and 'puff'. I could have asked a 15 year old boy with average intelligence to prepare a better budget for this nation.
    Oh I did love the accolades from the pubic gallery at every policy put forward by Bill Shorten. So many people have the wrong idea about him - I saw a real statesman, the first one for many years. People are so easily turned by the diatribe of small jealous men.

    Bill Shorten made my day because he knows what this nation needs, I know because I have seen this country slip down towards economic disaster and I too knew what was needed. I listened to the Josh Frydenberg's Budget and my heart sank with disappointment. It was just a bad budget - missing all the important issues this nation has been suffering for six years. Good luck to Bill Shorten and the Labour Party and you all - one guess who I will be voting for?
    Scorpion
    5th Apr 2019
    9:27pm
    What planet do you live on.
    If your mate Bill gets in this country is doomed to be changed to suit the UN and the lives lost fighting to keep our culture were a waste of lives. Plus the greens and the unions will run the place. Why do you think we lost all our manufacturing maybe it was due to unions etc making it to expensive to make everything I wonder why?? Not to mention Billy screwing the workers he was supposed to be looking after.
    I'm sure Labor will spend all the money as history shows and then the Liberals will get back in when them and the greens have caused enough havoc and given all the taxes raised to the immigrants. When the Libs get back in they are running out of things to sell to get Australia out of the shit.
    Cautious
    5th Apr 2019
    7:35pm
    What do you mean both parties have ignored older Australians?
    The Labor party promised to take away retirees dividend imputatations and to tax them more on investment properties by taking away negative gearing and taxing them more on their nest egg property with more capital gains tax.
    Karl Marx
    5th Apr 2019
    7:48pm
    And justifiably so.
    dividend imputations are double dipping & negative gearing is just another rort of the tax system & so is not having the family home as part of the assets test.
    The LNP stole the pension of 500k retirees. Mr Abbott & Mr Hockey ring a bell & Mr Morrison is just as evil. Remember 1st January 2017.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2019
    5:53pm
    Yep, and the SAME people who lost countless thousands of annual income due to the LNP's treachery are now going to be totally demolished by Labor's unfairness. It's NOT double dipping to claim fair taxation. If you don't have an income high enough to pay tax, you should not pay tax -regardless of where that income comes from. Labor is being discriminatory, unfair and cruel and will totally destroy the value of work and saving and make all retirees -except the very rich - equally hard up and dependent. The OAP bill will skyrocket.

    They are happy for someone with $2.4 mil in super to pay 15% or less tax, yet someone with $500,000 is expected to pay 30% if they invest in blue chip shares - the ONLY investment that works for thousands of retirees who are not and never intended to be 'investors', but just need a way to make a living given that they are denied pension benefits.

    Labor is happy to gift rich part pensioners hundreds of thousands in franking credits - but self-funded retirees who saved are expected to live on fresh air.

    SFR, just because you are rich or secure doesn't give you the right to insist that others should be unfairly deprived. The figures PROVE that Labor is lying about it's policy and that people just over the assets threshold will have their income slashed to the point where they will be worse off than those with half as much. People who don't get pensions SHOULD be granted some assistance to retire with dignity. A small tax refund is far more affordable than a pension.
    Farside
    6th Apr 2019
    11:07pm
    O&W, why not call the small tax refund to enable SFRs to retire with dignity for what it is, a gift. And yes, that gift may be more affordable than a pension.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2019
    9:37am
    Because it IS NOT a gift, Farside. It's a refund of TAX PAID THAT WASN'T OWED. And it's more than fair that low income earners should receive it - ESPECIALLY if they are not receiving TRIPLE gifts that pensioners receive.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2019
    9:37am
    Because it IS NOT a gift, Farside. It's a refund of TAX PAID THAT WASN'T OWED. And it's more than fair that low income earners should receive it - ESPECIALLY if they are not receiving TRIPLE gifts that pensioners receive.
    travelman
    5th Apr 2019
    8:21pm
    Looking at all the comments, it seems to me many of you talk a load of nonsense and others who have lost the plot. Look at the evidence over the last six years, high energy costs and climbing higher, $125 or $75 wont even be noticed on your next energy bill. The banks we all wanted a Royal Commission took the Coalition 4 years to implement and only then being kicked to get them there and if your honest, you know the banks will never pay all the money they stole from your friends and neighbours. Climate change, regardless what they have told you, they will not achieve the target needed. As for the surplus, this government has promised a surplus from the day they took power and has never achieved. They tell you they have created thousands of jobs but they don't tell you how many are part time jobs - I will - 70 % are part time jobs and since Federation this has been high number of part time jobs with many working two jobs just to get by. Homes, never before since Federation has so many homes been sold for investment and many to Chinese. During John Howard's time as Prime Minister the States stopped building government homes (called trust homes in S A). This generated a group to buy homes as investment to rent. The trouble was that supply was less than demand. With that the Australian dollar rose dramatically with the Prime Minister doing nothing to cap it. This meant that houses for sale rose to unseen costs that had never been experience before, so much so that they were far beyond most young people and were, with the banks help, were bought up by local buyers having money to invest, and overseas interest for profit through renting them out. I know because I have a married nephew in Sydney who rented out, in 2010 the upper part of a house at Ryde costing them $450 per week. It was very old house and in poor condition, I know because I saw it. In Central Railway Station I saw dozens of people, homeless, preparing their places to sleep for the night regardless of weather. People are still doing that today because they still cannot rent a flat or house. The NBN is still not finished because I live in the country and none of us have it. It is still not working properly and many people cannot get the amount of bytes they want. The providers are not getting enough to provide client satisfactory amounts for their need on the internet. Also, the speeds are less than planned and rural businesses are suffering failures in transmission or slow transmission - in short- the ABN is full of problems and all caused by Malcom Turnbull who meddled with the cable design integrating copper with carbon fibre - very stupid. There is much more the Coalition has stuffed up, too much to relate here.

    Looking back to the Coalition record over the past 6 years I am very surprised anyone would want to vote for them. As for Labour I do not judge them by the record of their predecessors for that is not wise, judge them by what they say, be fair and not listen to the diatribe of the government. Labour is the unknown so lets give them a chance or do you really want to have 3 more years of the Coalition. Forget the other parties and the Independents, not that I am against them but history shows us that minorities are often unable to be cohesive for the goals to be achieved. They are good to support a strong united government which Labour is. The Coalition is a divided party and don"t forget Tony Abbott, the party trouble maker is still a back bencher.
    travelman
    5th Apr 2019
    8:21pm
    Looking at all the comments, it seems to me many of you talk a load of nonsense and others who have lost the plot. Look at the evidence over the last six years, high energy costs and climbing higher, $125 or $75 wont even be noticed on your next energy bill. The banks we all wanted a Royal Commission took the Coalition 4 years to implement and only then being kicked to get them there and if your honest, you know the banks will never pay all the money they stole from your friends and neighbours. Climate change, regardless what they have told you, they will not achieve the target needed. As for the surplus, this government has promised a surplus from the day they took power and has never achieved. They tell you they have created thousands of jobs but they don't tell you how many are part time jobs - I will - 70 % are part time jobs and since Federation this has been high number of part time jobs with many working two jobs just to get by. Homes, never before since Federation has so many homes been sold for investment and many to Chinese. During John Howard's time as Prime Minister the States stopped building government homes (called trust homes in S A). This generated a group to buy homes as investment to rent. The trouble was that supply was less than demand. With that the Australian dollar rose dramatically with the Prime Minister doing nothing to cap it. This meant that houses for sale rose to unseen costs that had never been experience before, so much so that they were far beyond most young people and were, with the banks help, were bought up by local buyers having money to invest, and overseas interest for profit through renting them out. I know because I have a married nephew in Sydney who rented out, in 2010 the upper part of a house at Ryde costing them $450 per week. It was very old house and in poor condition, I know because I saw it. In Central Railway Station I saw dozens of people, homeless, preparing their places to sleep for the night regardless of weather. People are still doing that today because they still cannot rent a flat or house. The NBN is still not finished because I live in the country and none of us have it. It is still not working properly and many people cannot get the amount of bytes they want. The providers are not getting enough to provide client satisfactory amounts for their need on the internet. Also, the speeds are less than planned and rural businesses are suffering failures in transmission or slow transmission - in short- the ABN is full of problems and all caused by Malcom Turnbull who meddled with the cable design integrating copper with carbon fibre - very stupid. There is much more the Coalition has stuffed up, too much to relate here.

    Looking back to the Coalition record over the past 6 years I am very surprised anyone would want to vote for them. As for Labour I do not judge them by the record of their predecessors for that is not wise, judge them by what they say, be fair and not listen to the diatribe of the government. Labour is the unknown so lets give them a chance or do you really want to have 3 more years of the Coalition. Forget the other parties and the Independents, not that I am against them but history shows us that minorities are often unable to be cohesive for the goals to be achieved. They are good to support a strong united government which Labour is. The Coalition is a divided party and don"t forget Tony Abbott, the party trouble maker is still a back bencher.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2019
    10:00am
    Travelman, you need help if you think abolishing coal fired energy and increasing power demand with electric cars is going to do anything other than send electricity prices skyrocketing a million times faster! We don't have enough supply now. Shorten is going to increase demand and reduce supply. When demand exceeds supply, prices rise. DOH!

    Judge Labor by the IDIOTIC and UNFAIR policies. They will send the nation broke. They will punish people who work and save for retirement by taking $2 for every dollar earned. They will force hundreds of thousands onto the OAP. They will push power prices sky high. They will push rents sky high by abolishing negative gearing. (Do you seriously think landlords are going to tolerate a cut in their net income when all they have to do is take more from the tenant!)

    I Despise the Coalition, but Labor will do far more harm than the LNP is even capable of causing.

    As for strong nd united!!!! Dream on. United in their desire to destroy everything Australia stands for. That about the ONLY unity in the Labor Party.
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    11:09am
    OlderandWiser, spot on!

    You have to wonder what is going on in the heads of politicians of all sides. Australia is committing industrial suicide, electricity here was once inexpensive when compared with other countries, now it is the most expensive in the world and fast becoming an unaffordable luxury for many, and both sides want to add to this problem!

    As for the outcome of this madness, what is really going to be achieved? The Chief Scientist was asked what would be the impact upon the climate if Australia totally stopped the emission of so=-called greenhouse gases, which would mean no cars, no cows, no power stations, etc. HIs reply was "Virtually nothing", but then went on to argue that just because there is practically nothing we can do to improve the climate, this is no excuse for doing nothing.

    Simply judge the "climate scientists" on their record before taking their advice. The Chief Scientist later argued that words were put in his mouth by Andrew Bolt, Bolt blew up that excuse by replaying the clip to prove the point. Flannery said that the rains that did fall would never fill a new dam being proposed for Brisbane, the dam filled, overflowed and flooded Brisbane, since then history has repeated itself at Townsville. Apologists for Flannery now argue, similarly to the Chief Scientist, that he was taken out of context. The Liberal government woke up and sacked Flannery, Labor is going to re-introduce a new bunch of climate alarmists - heaven help us!

    The treatment of Peter Ridd, who was sacked from James Cook University, demonstrates the lack of integrity in the whole matter of the climate change/global warming debate. Ridd admitted that he could afford to challenge the university position on the Barrier Reef with solid evidence because he was close to retiring age and could afford to lose his job. in this case, how much trust can be placed in the comments of young "climate scientists" who either toe the line or lose their wonderful jobs?
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    11:09am
    OlderandWiser, spot on!

    You have to wonder what is going on in the heads of politicians of all sides. Australia is committing industrial suicide, electricity here was once inexpensive when compared with other countries, now it is the most expensive in the world and fast becoming an unaffordable luxury for many, and both sides want to add to this problem!

    As for the outcome of this madness, what is really going to be achieved? The Chief Scientist was asked what would be the impact upon the climate if Australia totally stopped the emission of so=-called greenhouse gases, which would mean no cars, no cows, no power stations, etc. HIs reply was "Virtually nothing", but then went on to argue that just because there is practically nothing we can do to improve the climate, this is no excuse for doing nothing.

    Simply judge the "climate scientists" on their record before taking their advice. The Chief Scientist later argued that words were put in his mouth by Andrew Bolt, Bolt blew up that excuse by replaying the clip to prove the point. Flannery said that the rains that did fall would never fill a new dam being proposed for Brisbane, the dam filled, overflowed and flooded Brisbane, since then history has repeated itself at Townsville. Apologists for Flannery now argue, similarly to the Chief Scientist, that he was taken out of context. The Liberal government woke up and sacked Flannery, Labor is going to re-introduce a new bunch of climate alarmists - heaven help us!

    The treatment of Peter Ridd, who was sacked from James Cook University, demonstrates the lack of integrity in the whole matter of the climate change/global warming debate. Ridd admitted that he could afford to challenge the university position on the Barrier Reef with solid evidence because he was close to retiring age and could afford to lose his job. in this case, how much trust can be placed in the comments of young "climate scientists" who either toe the line or lose their wonderful jobs?
    Farside
    9th Apr 2019
    12:41pm
    @Maxchugg, you claim "Australia is committing industrial suicide, electricity here was once inexpensive when compared with other countries, now it is the most expensive in the world and fast becoming an unaffordable luxury for many" ... really? You show complete ignorance on this topic and letting your ideological beliefs hide the facts from you.

    Australia is not in the top 20 in the OECD and below the OECD average for household electricity prices. Industrial electricity prices are half those of Germany and below those of UK, USA and most other European nations.

    https://www.energycouncil.com.au/analysis/worldwide-electricity-prices-how-does-australia-compare/
    Viking
    9th Apr 2019
    2:55pm
    Farside, the only problem with using this website is that it uses 2014 figures, not current data, and if I remember correctly 2014 was only a year after Labor was succeeded by the Liberals. If you recall, in 2013 Tony Abbott made a big deal out of reducing electricity prices from those low prices that existed before his government took over. So with a promise of a 9% reduction in our electricity bills with the removal of the carbon tax, we now have electricity prices which in some States are 80% higher than five years ago. With those increases it is conceivable that we now have some of the highest electricity prices in the world under the Liberals. All I take from that is don't believe any political promise made by any of the major parties and vote Independent, they have less vested interest in lying to you.

    Today's lie of the day by Stunt-Man Morrison is that 'Shorten is going to take your utes away from you,' which yet again is patently untrue. He has merely set a target for the introduction of electric vehicles (EVs). The fact is we don't make any cars in Australia any more; remember Joe Hockey said, "I dare Ford to leave Australia," well they did and all of the car manufacturers around the world are moving to EVs so it matters very little what any local politicians say on the matter anyway, we have to move with the rest of the world.
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    5:59pm
    Farside, as Viking says, the site you use to prove your point is way out of date. How long is it since electricity prices averaged 20.7 cents per kwh?

    The following site gives details of prices about 18 months ago, but this was before the impact of South Australia destroying its coal fired power stations and Victoria started on the lemming like trail.

    https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/

    You tell me that I am showing complete ignorance when I say that Australia is committing industrial suicide, what, do you imagine, will be the effect of the annual loss of $67 billion from the export of coal? Do you really want to argue that there will be no effect? And before you start on cleaning up the planet, take a look at the comments from the Chief Scientist that you carefully avoided.

    Then there is the aluminium industry. Alcoa has just closed the Point Henry smelter, at a cost of almost 1000 jobs in Geelong and elsewhere - two down, four more to go. that won't hurt our economy either, will it, Farside?

    Your inane comments cause me to feel sorry for you as you suffer so badly from foot-in-mouth disease, I wish you a speedy recovery.
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    5:59pm
    Farside, as Viking says, the site you use to prove your point is way out of date. How long is it since electricity prices averaged 20.7 cents per kwh?

    The following site gives details of prices about 18 months ago, but this was before the impact of South Australia destroying its coal fired power stations and Victoria started on the lemming like trail.

    https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/

    You tell me that I am showing complete ignorance when I say that Australia is committing industrial suicide, what, do you imagine, will be the effect of the annual loss of $67 billion from the export of coal? Do you really want to argue that there will be no effect? And before you start on cleaning up the planet, take a look at the comments from the Chief Scientist that you carefully avoided.

    Then there is the aluminium industry. Alcoa has just closed the Point Henry smelter, at a cost of almost 1000 jobs in Geelong and elsewhere - two down, four more to go. that won't hurt our economy either, will it, Farside?

    Your inane comments cause me to feel sorry for you as you suffer so badly from foot-in-mouth disease, I wish you a speedy recovery.
    Farside
    9th Apr 2019
    10:42pm
    Maxchugg and Viking, the residential data may be from 2014 but for what it's worth the US 20.47¢ converts to around AU 29¢, which is there abouts for 2019 prices. Do you assert the relativities will have changed? In the latest issue of the OECD Energy Prices and Taxes, Volume 2018 Issue 4 (published Jan 2019),Table 21 Electricity prices for households in USD/MWh shows:

    Australia 204.0
    Germany 391.7
    UK 227.1

    OECD Europe average 273.7
    OECD Total average 186.4

    Nobody suggested export of coal is likely to stop any time soon, least of all coking coal. I worked in the coal industry for a time both in Hunter Valley and Bowen basin and am familiar with the economic contributions of the industry. Point Henry was always going to close down with the expiry of its subsidised power contract. Pt Henry and Portland smelters were a folly that Vic residents paid handsomely for and will be best served without them. If you could wind back the clock they should have been built in Tas.

    Bell Bay, Boyne and Tomago are under no immediate pressure as they are near abundant energy sources. Same cannot be said for Portland so no surprise when it too goes down the gurgler and a subsequent loss of jobs. It's more a case of three down, one more to go and three live to smelt another day.

    I made no reference to your remarks on climate change because that is part of your ideology and you are welcome to it. I did comment on your sweeping statement "now it is the most expensive in the world and fast becoming an unaffordable luxury for many" that was an incorrect premise to use as a foundation. Inane, yeah right.
    maxchugg
    10th Apr 2019
    11:30am
    Farside,in your infinite wisdom you have told me that when I state that rising electricity prices in Australia are industrial suicide and electricity is becoming an unaffordable luxury I show complete ignorance and that I am letting my ideological beliefs hide the facts from me, so let’s look at a few facts:

    We’ll pretend that the loss of $67 billion a year from coal exports won’t harm the Australian economy and move to aluminium smelting. Your arguments with regard to Boyne and Tomago being safe from pressure because of abundant energy sources are total nonsense, and even more so, Bell Bay. A while back the manager of the Bell Bay smelter was commenting on demands for a second Basslink cable and commented “If they would run all the lakes dry with one Basslink, think what they could do with two!”

    Put your idealogical beliefs aside and face a few informed facts which you will find on the following site:

    https://aluminiuminsider.com/high-electricity-prices-driving-australias-aluminium-industry-business/

    Last year, to give just one example of what is happening to medium/small business, our major employer, it was reported that one of Melbourne’s bayside pubs is rationing its heating and cooling AND CUTTING DOWN ON STAFF because of power bills that have reached $24,000 a month. Multiply this by the hundreds of thousands of other medium/small businesses and common sense should cause alarm, idealogy, of course, would suppress it despite the fact that the trend will continue as prices continue to rise.

    Finally, domestic power. Current information is difficult to obtain, for obvious reasons, but WA gives an insight by commenting that “disconnections among electricity customers soared more than 50 per cent in the 12 months to June 30, from 9774 to 15,953” The situation must be worse in South Australia and also rapidly increasing in Victoria. Already the cost of electricity in South Australia is the third highest in the world:

    https://electricitywizard.com.au/electricity/electricity-cost/how-much-does-electricity-cost/

    I conclude with the logical question of what will this industrial suicide achieve? In the words of the Chief Scientist, which you wish to ignore because of your complete ignorance and idealogical beliefs, “virtually nothing.”
    maxchugg
    10th Apr 2019
    11:30am
    Farside,in your infinite wisdom you have told me that when I state that rising electricity prices in Australia are industrial suicide and electricity is becoming an unaffordable luxury I show complete ignorance and that I am letting my ideological beliefs hide the facts from me, so let’s look at a few facts:

    We’ll pretend that the loss of $67 billion a year from coal exports won’t harm the Australian economy and move to aluminium smelting. Your arguments with regard to Boyne and Tomago being safe from pressure because of abundant energy sources are total nonsense, and even more so, Bell Bay. A while back the manager of the Bell Bay smelter was commenting on demands for a second Basslink cable and commented “If they would run all the lakes dry with one Basslink, think what they could do with two!”

    Put your idealogical beliefs aside and face a few informed facts which you will find on the following site:

    https://aluminiuminsider.com/high-electricity-prices-driving-australias-aluminium-industry-business/

    Last year, to give just one example of what is happening to medium/small business, our major employer, it was reported that one of Melbourne’s bayside pubs is rationing its heating and cooling AND CUTTING DOWN ON STAFF because of power bills that have reached $24,000 a month. Multiply this by the hundreds of thousands of other medium/small businesses and common sense should cause alarm, idealogy, of course, would suppress it despite the fact that the trend will continue as prices continue to rise.

    Finally, domestic power. Current information is difficult to obtain, for obvious reasons, but WA gives an insight by commenting that “disconnections among electricity customers soared more than 50 per cent in the 12 months to June 30, from 9774 to 15,953” The situation must be worse in South Australia and also rapidly increasing in Victoria. Already the cost of electricity in South Australia is the third highest in the world:

    https://electricitywizard.com.au/electricity/electricity-cost/how-much-does-electricity-cost/

    I conclude with the logical question of what will this industrial suicide achieve? In the words of the Chief Scientist, which you wish to ignore because of your complete ignorance and idealogical beliefs, “virtually nothing.”
    Farside
    10th Apr 2019
    3:48pm
    Maxchugg, so are you now accepting your statement that electricity is "the most expensive in the world" is incorrect? Industrial suicide - I don't think so. A domestic gas reservation policy and better regulated use of gas turbines would go a long way to reducing generation costs.

    Your 2017 article on Boyne reflects Qld circumstances at a point in time. Since then there has been surplus generation in Queensland and Gladstone not looking to close any time soon.

    The OECD comparison is for domestic power prices. No doubt some Australian households find prices high and are spending up to 6% of low income household income (Tas according to ACCC, SA was just over 5% and other states 3-4%). Energy prices are not the only source of financial stress for households or small business, where these still represent a small portion of operating costs.

    While median household electricity price in Australia was once fourth cheapest in OECD (2004), it was still 10th cheapest in 2016. Prices have gone up, as they have everywhere, and each state has its reasons why prices are what they are and are dealing with the issue.

    Your anecdote concerning one pub reacting to its power bill is no more consequence than a suburban hairdresser that installed solar panels to reduce his bill by $2000/mth. As I said above some are doing it tough but others are getting by quite well.
    maxchugg
    10th Apr 2019
    7:20pm
    Farside, first of all, I will give you a minor win. When I commented that Australian energy prices are the highest in the world, I omitted one word, intending to say that Australian energy prices are AMONGST the highest in the world. But please enjoy this minor victory because it won’t last! In your eagerness to contradict me, you cited a 2014 report which showed that there were 21 countries with higher domestic prices than Australia. But a current ACCC inquiry into the price of electricity “revealed that the average household electricity bill in South Australia has increased from $1165 to as much as $1680 in just three years." Consequently, "residential electricity disconnections in South Australia have increased dramatically from 4,748 to 7,311 in 2011 alone. These disconnections are due to financial hardships among South Australians who are unable to pay their expensive monthly power bills." This ACCC inquiry reported that in the period 2014 to 2019 on a scale of prices around the world, where position No 1 was the highest, Australia has moved from the middle position of 22 to, in the case of South Australia, position No 3.

    https://electricitywizard.com.au/electricity/electricity-cost/how-much-does-electricity-cost/

    You want to argue that the aluminium smelting industry is in no danger, despite the fact that two smelters have already closed because of prohibitive power costs and the industry itself claims that it is in danger of collapsing. So, in your desperation to win your argument, you pretend to know more than those who operate the industry. So, at risk of confusing you with facts, I again suggest that you visit the following site:

    https://aluminiuminsider.com/high-electricity-prices-driving-australias-aluminium-industry-business/

    I should be surprised that on a site which is operated for the benefit of pensioners, you are so totally out of touch with these people and so unsympathetic that you choose to ignore the fact that electricity disconnections as a result of high prices are taking place at a rapidly increasing rate. I cited WA as an example, the ACCC report also cites SA and Victoria will be next. Yet you saw fit to take umbrage at my comment that electricity is becoming an unaffordable luxury – for pensioners and low income families now, for others later as prices continue to rise as predicted.

    I was bemused by your ignoring the fact that high electricity costs are destroying jobs. I tested this by doing two searches on the internet, the first under “high electricity costs are destroying jobs in Australia” and obtained dozens of replies in support of this proposition and also that the economy IS being damaged. I next searched under “high electricity costs are NOT destroying jobs in Australia” and found zero responses.

    Finally I was highly amused by your fanciful story about a suburban hairdresser who saves $2000 per month with solar panels. My solar panels cover an area of 13 square metres and generate 4015 units PER YEAR. Using 27c per Kw/h produces an average monthly return of $90.33. So, to achieve the result you claim for your hairdresser’s system would have to be considerably more than 22 times as large as mine, hence cover an area of at least 286 square metres.
    maxchugg
    10th Apr 2019
    7:20pm
    Farside, first of all, I will give you a minor win. When I commented that Australian energy prices are the highest in the world, I omitted one word, intending to say that Australian energy prices are AMONGST the highest in the world. But please enjoy this minor victory because it won’t last! In your eagerness to contradict me, you cited a 2014 report which showed that there were 21 countries with higher domestic prices than Australia. But a current ACCC inquiry into the price of electricity “revealed that the average household electricity bill in South Australia has increased from $1165 to as much as $1680 in just three years." Consequently, "residential electricity disconnections in South Australia have increased dramatically from 4,748 to 7,311 in 2011 alone. These disconnections are due to financial hardships among South Australians who are unable to pay their expensive monthly power bills." This ACCC inquiry reported that in the period 2014 to 2019 on a scale of prices around the world, where position No 1 was the highest, Australia has moved from the middle position of 22 to, in the case of South Australia, position No 3.

    https://electricitywizard.com.au/electricity/electricity-cost/how-much-does-electricity-cost/

    You want to argue that the aluminium smelting industry is in no danger, despite the fact that two smelters have already closed because of prohibitive power costs and the industry itself claims that it is in danger of collapsing. So, in your desperation to win your argument, you pretend to know more than those who operate the industry. So, at risk of confusing you with facts, I again suggest that you visit the following site:

    https://aluminiuminsider.com/high-electricity-prices-driving-australias-aluminium-industry-business/

    I should be surprised that on a site which is operated for the benefit of pensioners, you are so totally out of touch with these people and so unsympathetic that you choose to ignore the fact that electricity disconnections as a result of high prices are taking place at a rapidly increasing rate. I cited WA as an example, the ACCC report also cites SA and Victoria will be next. Yet you saw fit to take umbrage at my comment that electricity is becoming an unaffordable luxury – for pensioners and low income families now, for others later as prices continue to rise as predicted.

    I was bemused by your ignoring the fact that high electricity costs are destroying jobs. I tested this by doing two searches on the internet, the first under “high electricity costs are destroying jobs in Australia” and obtained dozens of replies in support of this proposition and also that the economy IS being damaged. I next searched under “high electricity costs are NOT destroying jobs in Australia” and found zero responses.

    Finally I was highly amused by your fanciful story about a suburban hairdresser who saves $2000 per month with solar panels. My solar panels cover an area of 13 square metres and generate 4015 units PER YEAR. Using 27c per Kw/h produces an average monthly return of $90.33. So, to achieve the result you claim for your hairdresser’s system would have to be considerably more than 22 times as large as mine, hence cover an area of at least 286 square metres.
    Scorpion
    5th Apr 2019
    9:07pm
    My biggest concern is immigration and loosing Australian culture to people that haven't contributed to the country
    Nomad1946
    5th Apr 2019
    9:33pm
    i shudder to think that Australia will be subjected toma Shorten ALP government ....
    hyacinth
    5th Apr 2019
    9:48pm
    I am all for one vote only I do not like all these preferential votes .
    hyacinth
    5th Apr 2019
    9:48pm
    I am all for one vote only I do not like all these preferential votes .
    maxchugg
    5th Apr 2019
    11:25pm
    The present government, warts and all would be better for everyone than Labor.
    Imagine the impact on the economy with the loss of over $55 BILLION a year from coal exports, then add to this the economic disadvantage of an electricity supply which is highly unreliable and prohibitively expensive for industry.

    Maybe the pain and suffering might be justified if there was certainty that an outcome would be to improve the climate, but not only is there no such certainty of such a desirable outcome, it is improbable that anything positive would be achieved. As I have previously commented, the Chief Scientist was asked what would be the effect upon climate if Australia totally eliminated emissions, and the answer was "virtually nothing."

    Surely if the nation was contemplating economic suicide it would be prudent at the outset to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would be a positive outcome.

    Currently there is no form of renewable electricity that will provide a reliable power supply at a reasonable cost. As for the SA battery, installed at a secret cost, it is impossible to see this as an answer to the problem of the unreliability of renewable energy, as indicated by the fact that the government also sees a need to heavily subsidise the installation of domestic batteries.

    A further consideration is that it now appears that the life of a battery in a hybrid car is around 10 years, so regular replacement of both the giant battery and the domestic ones is obviously a huge cost to be factored in to the long term price of electricity.
    maxchugg
    5th Apr 2019
    11:25pm
    The present government, warts and all would be better for everyone than Labor.
    Imagine the impact on the economy with the loss of over $55 BILLION a year from coal exports, then add to this the economic disadvantage of an electricity supply which is highly unreliable and prohibitively expensive for industry.

    Maybe the pain and suffering might be justified if there was certainty that an outcome would be to improve the climate, but not only is there no such certainty of such a desirable outcome, it is improbable that anything positive would be achieved. As I have previously commented, the Chief Scientist was asked what would be the effect upon climate if Australia totally eliminated emissions, and the answer was "virtually nothing."

    Surely if the nation was contemplating economic suicide it would be prudent at the outset to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would be a positive outcome.

    Currently there is no form of renewable electricity that will provide a reliable power supply at a reasonable cost. As for the SA battery, installed at a secret cost, it is impossible to see this as an answer to the problem of the unreliability of renewable energy, as indicated by the fact that the government also sees a need to heavily subsidise the installation of domestic batteries.

    A further consideration is that it now appears that the life of a battery in a hybrid car is around 10 years, so regular replacement of both the giant battery and the domestic ones is obviously a huge cost to be factored in to the long term price of electricity.
    Buggsie
    6th Apr 2019
    8:25am
    Travelman, you are one of the few who aren't completely hoodwinked and brainwashed by lies and propaganda spewing forth from the current COALition government. Congrats. A comment on electric vehicles - it really won't matter what we in Oz decide, the rest of the world will decide for us anyway. Look at Europe - no more fossil fuelled cars to be built after about 10 years, and already heavy electric transports are running on their roads. Even the good old boys in the USA are trialling electric HGV's. As to energy, haven't you all heard about the Chinese - European cooperative effort to power Paris and ultimately the whole of France using nuclear fusion? - the renewable power source that just keeps on giving, without any nuclear waste or undesirable carbon emissions? Probably too difficult a concept for our current crop of federal and state pollies to embrace. I look forward to a future where all of us enjoy fair pay for our work and a clean, secure world to pass on to our grandchildren.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2019
    5:46pm
    "I look forward to a future where all of us enjoy fair pay for our work and a clean, secure world to pass on to our grandchildren." So do I. And Labor will ensure that world does not exist. They are screwing people who worked and saved and abusing retirees.

    And for those who don't know, they ARE planning to include the family home in the pension assets test. They won't go public yet, because it's too unpopular, but it IS on their agenda. I got that from a Greens politician who has been involved in discussions about how to implement the change. Greens are supporting the move.
    Hairy
    6th Apr 2019
    1:33pm
    Yes ardent they got all the kids on casual 20 hr weeks turning this country into third world.
    Bes
    6th Apr 2019
    1:34pm
    Just as long as there are PREFERENCES in our system we are eternally stuck with either Labor or Liberal.
    P$cript
    6th Apr 2019
    3:38pm
    I can see why so many of commenters like the LNP. Their selfishness and greed is amazing!
    As people are coming towards the end of their lives they should be looking to giving the future generations the same benefits they have already received.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2019
    5:43pm
    Actually, it's those who like the Labor Party who are selfish. They want to steal everything others have worked hard and sacrificed to save and give it to people who didn't. Looking to give future generations the same benefits 'they have received'? Easy in my case, since I didn't have any benefits. No education. No skills training. Low wages. Crappy jobs. No childcare assistance. No first home buyer assistance. High home interest rates. No family assistance. No parental leave. No employer-funded superannuation. And now Labor wants to screw me over in retirement while giving people who had far more opportunity than I did, but manipulated to qualify for pensions, hundreds of thousands in benefits.

    The BEST thing we can do for future generations is make work and responsible living rewarding so people have hope that they can build their future. If we concede to Labor's approach, we'll run out of people willing to work for no reward and we'll run out of money to support those who don't want to strive. A robust welfare system is essential, and charity is admirable - but people need to be able to strive and achieve and enjoy the benefits of doing so if society is to prosper.
    Mondo
    6th Apr 2019
    8:41pm
    OlderandWiser. Agreed, if we reward failure and penalise success we'll end up as a failed state making nothing, importing everything and entire the nation living on debt.
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2019
    7:50am
    Absolutely OlderandWiser and Cosmo, this is why the LNP will get 25% more of the aged vote than Labor/Unions. Older people, in general, have the intelligence, knowledge and compassion that only experience can provide.
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    10:45am
    OlderandWiser, you are spot on. I can identify with what you say, although I did manage to upgrade my education and qualifications after leaving school and after a long period of enduring similar problems to those you identify, was fortunate to have better jobs in the latter part of my working life. Cosmo, likewise.

    I have to express my surprise though, that you have not been branded a troll by a bloke with a four letter name who has called me a crook, a cheat, and even accused me of using offshore trading to avoid taxes because I do not support his pro-Labor bigotry.

    The joke is really on this moron because I am now, and have always been, a swinging voter, have been an employee all my life and never had any need for offshore tax havens. Not only that, a few years back I actually worked hard to help a Labor friend get re-elected when most expected the Liberal candidate to win. The Labor candidate phoned me after winning and said that my help made the difference. I doubt that, but an outcome was that I, this so-called Liberal troll, was asked to help another Labor candidate. I did, and this person also was elected.
    maxchugg
    9th Apr 2019
    10:45am
    OlderandWiser, you are spot on. I can identify with what you say, although I did manage to upgrade my education and qualifications after leaving school and after a long period of enduring similar problems to those you identify, was fortunate to have better jobs in the latter part of my working life. Cosmo, likewise.

    I have to express my surprise though, that you have not been branded a troll by a bloke with a four letter name who has called me a crook, a cheat, and even accused me of using offshore trading to avoid taxes because I do not support his pro-Labor bigotry.

    The joke is really on this moron because I am now, and have always been, a swinging voter, have been an employee all my life and never had any need for offshore tax havens. Not only that, a few years back I actually worked hard to help a Labor friend get re-elected when most expected the Liberal candidate to win. The Labor candidate phoned me after winning and said that my help made the difference. I doubt that, but an outcome was that I, this so-called Liberal troll, was asked to help another Labor candidate. I did, and this person also was elected.
    Anonymous
    10th Apr 2019
    6:28pm
    Maxhugg, I've been called just about every name you can think of and accused of all sorts of hideous crimes. Poor pathetic idiots who do that are sick with envy because they weren't smart enough to save for their retirement, and now they want everyone who was robbed and beaten. Oh, but of course THEY had all the misfortune in the world and nothing was their fault. What a load of BS. I doubt even one of them could match the challenges I faced. But whatever crap makes them happy, they are welcome to eat it. It won't improve their lives and it won't hurt me.

    Yes, Short-arse with his massive unfairness and economic destruction will cause some harm, but I'll find a way around it. I just feel sorry for the blind fools who are voting for him, because they will suffer most. They are being bought with cheap bribes, but give him the keys to the Lodge and watch him progress the nation to slavery and misery.
    52-KID
    6th Apr 2019
    8:25pm
    What I don't understand, is why people are still sticking to the two major parties. If you don't like either of them, why aren't there more votes showing up for the other parties? Same thing happened in the NSW state election.
    Mondo
    6th Apr 2019
    8:35pm
    I totally agree, Im voting Independent and urge others to do so. They have no party dogma or directives to adhere to, just common sense in the interest of their communities.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2019
    12:04pm
    At the NSW state election I got the one I voted for. Does not happen very often, but.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2019
    8:37pm
    It is disgusting that some resort to foul language on this poll, I did not enjoy reading it, was hard to avoid.
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2019
    7:58am
    Labor voters. You can tell by the poor spelling.
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2019
    7:58am
    Labor voters. You can tell by the poor spelling.
    wendan31
    7th Apr 2019
    2:57am
    Jackie, this Government is doing an appalling job in your opinion, what the hell did the Labor party do when they were in office other than ring up a massive debt which the Libs look like they are going to have back on track, it is a matter of Labor being in and a HUGE debt, Libs in and back in the black, Labor in, a HUGE debt once again, can't you people see the pattern, neither side does anything for pensioners and the elderly - plus with Labor we will have the flood gates opened for all the so-called immigrants. Green, Labor and Liberal will be on the very bottom of my voting paper.
    Bendover
    7th Apr 2019
    9:22am
    Neither party, both parties think the age pension is welfare. Until they realise that the pension was earnt and they spent our pension fund it won't change, (i wonder if they will spend their future fund )Some people are ashamed to be on the pension because most pollies think it is welfare. Age pension should not be run by centrelink.
    Justsane
    8th Apr 2019
    6:53pm
    Josh Frydenberg gave his budget speech last Tuesday, Bill Shorten gave his right of reply on Thursday. Josh was also on the Insiders on Sunday and will be on Q&A tonight. I think it's a shame that the two major parties get all the air time and publicity. Why can't we hear the policies of the Greens, One Nation or even, God help us, the Shooters & Fishers party. And all the Independents in Parliament (though of course they would be different in every seat). These names are on our ballot papers, but it seems that we go into the ballot box knowing only part of the story. Is publicity given only to those who already have power and money? If so, this should change. Australia is supposed to be a democracy after all. So, Tony Jones, how about a Q&A with minor parties and independents before the election. This would be a start.
    Mondo
    8th Apr 2019
    7:36pm
    Justsane. Its a very good point even if only because listening to Josh Freidenberg for an hour would be as fascinating as watching moss grow. But where do you stop? Getting any honesty out of One Nation and Palmer could be a challenge and any realism from the Greens but how many independents will there be this time and is a WA or SA independent of interest to Qld viewers? Then we have the Senate candidates.
    Adrianus
    9th Apr 2019
    8:15am
    The ABC thinks Josh Frydenberg is a bigger fish to fry. They cant afford to take their eye off the ball for a moment. But by all means write to Tony Jones and ask the question. LOL.
    Adrianus
    9th Apr 2019
    8:15am
    The ABC thinks Josh Frydenberg is a bigger fish to fry. They cant afford to take their eye off the ball for a moment. But by all means write to Tony Jones and ask the question. LOL.
    Dermot
    20th Apr 2019
    9:06am
    Anyone voting for Scummo should be made to go back on their meds !!!


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