Who’s really rotten?

An email from the Liberal Party claims “40,000 illegal arrivals under Labor”

Who’s really rotten?

An email, sent out to the Liberal Party’s mailing list, claims that there have been “40,000 illegal arrivals under Labor”.

According to the email, “that’s more than the population of Kalgoorlie-Boulder (30,900), Wodonga (31,600), Gladstone (32,100), Queanbeyan (35,900) and Tamworth (36,200).”

Some facts about asylum seekers:

  • Under the Universal declaration of human rights everyone has the right to seek asylum. Doing so is not illegal.
  • Asylum seekers, no matter their mode of arrival, are considered by Australian law to be ‘unlawful non-citizens’, however, the term ‘unlawful’ does not mean they have committed a criminal offence.
  • There is no offence under Australian law which criminalises the act of arriving in Australia without a valid visa or seeking asylum.
  • Developing nations take the vast majority of the world’s refugees.
  • Between 2005 and 2009, when UNHCR wrote its Global trends paper, the five countries which hosted the highest number of refugees were Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Germany and Jordan.
  • Australia was ranked 47th in this same report, taking just 0.2 per cent of the global total

The Opposition found itself in trouble a few weeks ago for using similar terminology, when Opposition Leader Tony Abbott travelled to Western Australia to address the media. He stood in front of a billboard which read, “How many illegal boats have arrived since Labor took over? 639 illegal boats”.

While he was taking questions from journalists Mr Abbott was heckled by a member of the crowd, who took issue with his use of the word ‘illegal’.

“When you’ve got the illegal arrival problem that this government has created (Background heckler) They're not illegal, you're lying! (Abbott) You can say…(heckler) you know it's a lie! (Abbott) You can say your piece in a sec, let me say my piece and then you can say yours sir."

Within 24 hours of the billboard going up, it had been vandalised. The number 641 was replaced by a zero and the vandals had added the words: no crime to seek asylum.

You can read more about Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s speech on the SBS website

Find out more about asylum seeker statistics at the UNHCR website

View the email from the Liberal Party online. 

Opinion: Misinformation and scare-mongering

40,000 asylum seekers sounds like a lot, especially when you compare it to the populations of some of Australia’s rural towns. But when you look at it in the bigger picture, 40,000 is only 0.17 per cent of Australia’s population – less than one fifth of one per cent. And we aren’t taking 40,000 every year – that’s in the six years since the Labor Government took power.

The email in which this information was published goes on to say, “it is a failure that has cost lives, damaged our country’s reputation, cost over $6.6 billion in Budget blowouts and resulted in tens of thousands of people dumped into the community.”

Nowhere does the email mention that it is not illegal to seek asylum, or that those who arrive by boat have not committed a criminal act in seeking asylum.

I think this counts as misinformation and scare mongering. How has Australia’s reputation been damaged? Is agreeing to take our fair share of refugees such an embarrassment? And which lives have been lost? The lives of the same asylum seekers the Opposition would like to turn away?

I would also be interested to see a breakdown of those costs and how the Liberal Party came up with the figures, but that information has not been provided.

I understand that the idea of opening our doors to so many people is scary. I myself found the numbers quite daunting until I put them in perspective. But turning away those is need is such an unAustralian act I’m surprised we’re even considering it.

What do you think? Should the Federal Government stop the boats to first look after the Australians who need their assistance, or should we continue to help those seeking asylum?

Fun fact: in the top left had corner of the email from the Liberal Party, written in very small type, are the words ‘Labor’s Rotten’. The childishness of whoever wrote it made me sad.





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    Issy
    7th May 2013
    10:32am
    Yes, complete scaremongering. The important focus should be that our "problem" with asylum seekers is 47th in the world. Many other countries release them into the community while awaiting resettlement, with very few problems. The media seldom features the very real success stories of refugees who have gone on to be wonderful contributors to our society. The media plays on jingoistic tendencies in the population and I think is responsible for the ugly incidents we have witnessed on public transport, of individuals who have often been either here for generations, or visitors, who are either a different colour, or who have been overheard speaking their own language. Imagine being a tourist in another country, chatting on a bus to your partner or friend and having someone scream "Speak Indonesian, or German or Spanish"!
    Precious 1
    8th May 2013
    11:34pm
    I had an email from a friends which stated that there are 70,000 a year coming here and this country cannot sustain that amount of people in the near future or at any time properly ....what are anyones views.......
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    11:02am
    I find it fascinating that the number of British Visa Overstayers is never mentioned when this topic is raised. This cohort far outnumber the total number of assylum seekers to Australia in total! How about we deal with THAT issue before the scaremongering and scapegoating gets any worse! There are plenty of Brits that are more problematic with an overinflated sense of entitlement and need to be "sent back to where they came from".
    ERROLSYD
    7th May 2013
    8:06pm
    Well maz at least they have had clearance for visas and do not claim centrelink payments and all the other perks that the ILLEGALS do. Guess what they speak english and do NOT try to change our way of life!!!
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    8:11am
    Not discrediting with what you say, but I doubt they are claiming any benefits from the Government. Hopefully they will be caught and sent back home as they as well have broken the 'Law".
    Jen
    7th May 2013
    11:09am
    Absolutely. The major point being, seeking assylum is not illegal, for starters. The Libs, under Tony Abbott have been, in conjunction with a biased media, responsible for creating fear and loathing in the community. It's disgraceful and I am appalled that this rabble will be in power in September. As for the words "Labor's Rotten"...what can I say?
    ERROLSYD
    7th May 2013
    9:24pm
    Sorry Jen wake up ,before you have to pray 5 times a day.Glad to at least see that you can see labor is dead in the water!!!!
    lowflyer
    7th May 2013
    11:17am
    What a large number of people do not seem to understand is that these so called illegal QUEUE JUMPERS are doing is placing themselves infront of all the asylum seekers who actually apply for a visa to come into this country. Therefore these QUEUE JUMPERS are putting the genuine asylum seeker further back in the queue. Also if they can afford the large fee required by the boat skippers then they are not POOR ASYLUM SEEKERS, they are gaining entry to this country and when and if approved they will then expect their whole family to be allowed into the country thus increasing their number by a minimum of 10.They then will expect to obtain Centrelink payments and all that goes with it.
    This country at present CANNOT afford to pay out these large sums with not only those who have managed to con their way in but also the holding pens at Christmas Island and other locations.
    If the bleeding hearts were genuine then they would offer to look after these people and take them into their own home. This idea has been floated but there are not many takers and we do not hear much about those who have. Funny that.
    You would have to realise that you would be required to meet all their demands and supply THEIR food and expect to be disrupted many times during the day.
    Oh yes there are many who are here now and living alongside Australians but if and when they take out Australian Citizenship how do they meet all the Australian requirements, or is it a sharp pencil job?
    Tom Tank
    7th May 2013
    11:40am
    The high cost of putting asylum seekers into those overseas "holding pens" was the decision of the Australian Government, not the decision of the asylum seekers. Blame those who put pressure on Governments not to allow them into Australia, perhaps lowflyer you should look in the mirror at this point.
    John Howard latched onto Pauline Hansen's diatribes and realised there were votes in this for him. Since then the Liberal Party have moved away from that basic Australian ethos of a fair go for all and embrace the self centred attitude we now see. This is ably supported by the radio "shock jocks" such as Alan Jones and the Murdoch press.
    Remember the Vietnamese Boat People? It made many of us uneasy but look how they have settled into Australia without the sort of current witch hunt practiced by Tony Abbott. We used to think Malcolm Fraser lacked compassion.
    missmarple
    9th May 2013
    12:12pm
    I agree with lowflyer, Tom Tank you talk about Vietnamese boat people settling into Australia,, TRUE But! have they tried to change our (AUSTRALIAN ) way of life NO do they make demands NO, I know who I would rather have as a Neighbour
    student
    15th May 2013
    4:11pm
    ummmm, missmarple me thinks you have mis-read Tom Tank's post, as you basically agree with him!! And rightly so too :) Just like the Italian and the Greek immigrants of years ago, the Vietnamese asylum seekers have settled here too. Just like the Italian and Greek migrants of years ago, the Vietnamese migrants/ asylum seekers have given us part of their lovely culture .... food :)

    lowflyer and friends, you ALL forget that we (the white English) were the original BOAT people !! Think about that for a while.
    Issy
    7th May 2013
    11:41am
    Lowflyer, there are no queues, and people in war situations etc are not in any position to just sit around waiting for some country to issue a visa. You should count yourself lucky to never have experienced war, torture or starvation! Once here, they have to be supported to feed themselves and live, otherwise they would have to resort to ILLEGAL activities. Much better to get them working at something (usually what no one else wants to do), then they can help support themselves. As Maz points out the biggest problem is with overstayers (not all of whom are British), who come in by plane on assorted visas, then forget to leave. Also, your point about "this country can not afford" is again invalid. Many much poorer countries, (we are supposed to be about the best), manage to deal with huge numbers, so it's largely a furphy cooked up by politicians on both sides that our cupboards are bare. If wealthy people and companies paid the taxes the ought to, we could afford just about everything that makes a society truly great.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    11:54am
    I am an Australian Pensioner and I have to pay for the following. Rent, power, water, mobile and land-line phones, television, medical and medication, food, transport, accommodation, plane rides and Viagra, etc, etc. On top of that there is Car rego and insurance, building and contents insurance all coming out of our pension. When I stop and think what these Boat Bludgers are getting for FREE, I have to say I get slightly annoyed. I hope they don't get any actual cash money stuck in their filthy hands as well.
    geomac
    7th May 2013
    1:33pm
    As a pensioner you get concessions on many of the items you list . I,m not aware if viagra is on the PBS but like plane rides , odd expression , they are discretionary and likely to be I,m guessing futile .
    Boat bludgers , filthy hands ? When you stop and think Simmo ? Must be constantly on the move I would suggest .
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    1:36pm
    Beautifully put geomac!!!!
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:49pm
    You do-gooders really do live in a fantasy world.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:56pm
    geomac, get somebody to explain to you the difference between concessions and free.
    Jen
    7th May 2013
    1:57pm
    Get the facts, Young Simmo, you're talking nonsense which I can't be bothered refuting.

    I will say though, that you've been born one of life's lucky ones. You've had an easy lifetime to acquire a comfortable roof over your head (in comparison to those who come from these troubled nations, from where our assylum seekers come) and you will be nannyed for the rest of your life. I don't know why you don't believe other human beings shouldn't get some peace, freedom and comforts that we take for granted, nor why you are so disgruntled and whiney.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    2:08pm
    Jen, why don't you go over to Afghanistan or Pakistan without a pass port, and step off the plane and call a taxi to take you to a hotel, it is quiet easy reading your rubbish. PS, I am a happy chappy that is cruising along giving all you people the benefit of my incredible knowledge of the world.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:16pm
    Young Simmo...did you do that? How'd you go? Must have been ok because you came back without a bullet! You dont sound happy though...isnt the viagra working?
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    2:21pm
    Maz, Actually I have done some overseas travel, I have been to Rottnest 3 times and caught a feed every time. Also I only use the Viagra to stop my push bike falling over.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:53pm
    thought so...it shows!
    student
    15th May 2013
    4:24pm
    hey Young Simmo, you will never change :) I feel a lot of anger in your words and for what reason??Anger only makes you bitter and twisted. 'The Boat People' are the asylum seekers that have the finances to pay a criminal boat passage to Australia. The poor buggers in the 'camps' are those who, for whatever reason, did not have the money to buy a boat trip to Australia.

    As for the Viagra, I don't know why you need that (IF you need it) but it is on the medication benefits list :) so therefore I presume you don't need it :) It has more uses than the one that comes to mind :) (falling out of bed maybe??)
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    4:34pm
    what mentally is wrong with you student ? has the ALP spin doctoring addled your brain ?
    Viagra is NOT on the 'medication benefits list'. It costs, with a doctors prescription, $63 for 4 x 50 mg tablets.
    daggsey
    7th May 2013
    11:57am
    When are you people going to wake up where these people are concerned. Look at the big picture and take into consideration what is happening in America with regard to the Boston bombers.Give this country another twenty or so years and we will have the same problem.These people cannot live together where they came from, so they bring their baggage out here. And if you pay people smugglers thousands of dollars to smuggle you into a country then that is ILLEGAL. And to destroy your passports ETC to gain entry to a country then that is ILLEGAL. There are plenty of refugees sitting in camps that have no money and been in these camps for years,so they are the ones that should have preference. I feel sorry for my children and grandchildren they are the ones who will have to live with this situation. Don't you worry about your family in years to come. Go to website www.therightscoop.com and bring up Judge Jeanine (smackdown of mother of Boston Bombers.) Darryl.
    aquatrek
    8th May 2013
    8:54am
    notice how the foolish do-gooders didnt make any comments on your post !!
    That politicians are stupid when they do as Rachel has identified - campaign with stupid slogans and bad choice of words is a given. [the parties ALL do it]
    But Rachel is dragging out of the gutter a topic that has been thrashed to death over and over again. That is pathetic journalism to say the least. Bashing the NLP after all this topics air time also pathetic journalism.
    The facts are that the ALP are complicit in murder by association because it is their failed policies that have caused deaths, encouraged smuggling, and seen the facilities overcrowded to past breaking point and the mental damage that goes with the unlimited detention farce. For a so called 'socialist' government they are sickening in their treatment of this humanitarian issue.
    patcat
    10th May 2013
    9:52am
    Well said aquatrek Rachel always acts as a spokesperson for the ALP, anything the opposition does is bad.

    Is it legal to just board a country or a boat without being invited. Its not illegal to seek refuge but doing it the illegal way cannot be condoned.
    student
    15th May 2013
    4:32pm
    doing it the legal way??? Do you want all of the asylum seekers to go to the Australian embassy (what if there is NO Australian embassy in their country??) and seek asylum like Julian Assarge?? (I'm not sure of the spelling)

    As for Rachel's post, she deals in facts NOT fiction.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    4:41pm
    OMG student - your brain is really addled completely. How many times do you have to be informed that the asylum seekers are UN refugee queue jumpers and are rich beyond their own countrymen's dreams in that they can afford to travel to Indonesia or Malaysia [both Muslim countries] and then hire a boat smuggler. They are predominantly young Muslim men.
    B5YCK
    7th May 2013
    12:01pm
    Please keep this "your life choises" political neutral.
    What ever your editorial, you are likely to upset some one.
    Tony
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    12:12pm
    B5YCK, "Your Life Choices" Is for everybody, and I reckon the biggest percentage of readers would be over 50. Upset people add colour to the conversation, and at our age we need entertainment, not 86,000 people all agreeing.
    Pass the Ductape
    7th May 2013
    12:38pm
    To Young Simmo....Damn right! Oldies like us have EARNED the right to add colour to the conversation. We got to where we are today without the handouts received by today's pampered element in our modern society.
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    12:04pm
    Labor should hang their heads in shame. Australia should withdraw as a signatory to the UN Refugee convention. At least Liberals will do something about this mayhem that has been thrust upon us by Gillard. They boat people should be treated in the same way as the "Smugglers" as what they are doing is illegal.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    12:15pm
    Yes Macjam, If they took away all the free stuff we smother them in, they would be telling their rellies, "Stay where you are, this Australian food is horrible".
    Carol
    7th May 2013
    12:23pm
    Sick of all the do gooders allowing all these muslims into the country. just look at the Boston bombers, 9/11 etc. They cannot integrate and accept the Western way of life.

    What is in store for our grandchildren?
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:24pm
    I thought the Boston Bomber was Russian and had visited Chechnya and been expose to Islam but had not converted. To be honest, there are parts of 'the Western way of life' that are not all that hot.

    What if the shoe was on the other foot?? Could/would you assimilate/integrate into the Muslim/Islamic way of life??
    aquatrek
    8th May 2013
    9:02am
    Where have you been student - your head stuck in an ostrich communal sandpile ? The eldest Boston Bomber was a MUSLIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    When are you leaving for a Muslim country because I want to be at the jetty to wave you off as it is probably a returning smugglers boat. I will even donate towards your fare.
    Gin
    7th May 2013
    12:26pm
    Would Rachael to work with Rosies on the Gold Coast of Australia for a week and she may then understand reality. These people are mainly well educated people who because of marriage breakdowns, employment cutbacks and the like, cannot find work and cannot get any social security as they do not have a permanent address. Just working with them for a short time will enlighten her to how they feel about illegal refugees and the treatment they are getting.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:31pm
    YAYYYYYYYYY for Gin!!!! You forgot to mention that even with university degrees, the asylum seekers take jobs such as abattoir workers ... jobs Australians wont/can't do. They are people. Hurt them they cry, cut them and they bleed ... the same as us! Unfortunately, some Aussies have a closed heart/mentality and they will never comprehend the asylum seekers plight (which continues when they reach Australia!!)
    sensible senior
    10th May 2013
    6:19pm
    student WHAT ABATTOIRS we dont have any left
    Grey Voter
    7th May 2013
    12:38pm
    It is great to take in people who are desperate for a better life. We can share what we have and still border (no pun intended) on the verge of obesity ! :-)

    Two points I wish to make:

    1.It is undesirable for someone like "Your Life Choices" to take sides in politics. So please keep it clean

    2. Hats off to whoever tries to help genuine refugees but why do we then leave many of them to rot in "concentration" camps where so many go to extreme measures to ait their plight ( hunger strikes, deprivation from family, sewing of lips, revolts)..... Are these asylum seekers jumping from the frying pen into the fire by gate-crashing Australia ?

    If the government (whatever color) really wants to help asylum seekers, why not have efficient and reasonably fast systems to deal with them rather than letting them in and subjecting them to years of anxiety and mental torture?

    In my opinion, therein lies the real problem.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:09pm
    the sewing together of their lips etc is a psychological reaction to their being detained and the loss of hope. The people who are deemed not true asylum seekers is very small and I ask "If the people are not true asylum seekers, why wont their own country receive them?" Could it be because their Gov. finds them a danger to the Government? Thus making them true asylum seekers.

    Unfortunately, Governments want to stay in power and to fast track asylum seekers would make Governments unstable. You can see forum this small forum how the mention of 'boat people". The topic alienates people and makes them afraid of .. of what?? Strangers who do not dress, look or sound like us?? People who have a wealth of customs and traditions to enhance out wonderful country.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:09pm
    the sewing together of their lips etc is a psychological reaction to their being detained and the loss of hope. The people who are deemed not true asylum seekers is very small and I ask "If the people are not true asylum seekers, why wont their own country receive them?" Could it be because their Gov. finds them a danger to the Government? Thus making them true asylum seekers.

    Unfortunately, Governments want to stay in power and to fast track asylum seekers would make Governments unstable. You can see forum this small forum how the mention of 'boat people". The topic alienates people and makes them afraid of .. of what?? Strangers who do not dress, look or sound like us?? People who have a wealth of customs and traditions to enhance out wonderful country.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:38pm
    grrrrrrrrrrr .... I didn't edit my post and I also didn't post it twice! Sorry.
    MITZY
    8th May 2013
    8:56am
    What happened to free speech. Your Life Choices is entitled to free speech too, aren't they?
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    9:04am
    Egyptian Good question, impossible to keep a discussion site value-free or neutral on topics, if that was the case there would be very little discussion. Freedom of speech for Christians anyway is being eroded seriously in parts of the US and even Canada, and it is happening here. It is a dangerous turn of events and should be resisted.
    sensible senior
    9th May 2013
    12:50pm
    no student no one in their right mind would sew thir lips together, those sort of people have a mental problem
    jennyya
    7th May 2013
    12:39pm
    Whether it is illegal or not, we do not want people arriving on our shores without papers unless they are truly refugees which most of these ïllegals"are not. The rules should not have been changed when Labor got in and we are now paying through the nose for all these people who have no right to be here. We accept a huge number of immigrants in every year the right way and now it is just a sick joke on how many people are coming in the wrong way. It must stop and will stop under a Coalition Government and the majority of Australians will welcome it.
    BettyBoo
    7th May 2013
    1:11pm
    And just how do you think Tony Abbott and his Coalition will be able to 'stop the boats'? Will he wade out in his budgie smugglers and push them back out to sea? Abbott's incessant rant that he will 'stop the boats' is just empty words that people desperate enough to take such a perilous journey are not going to be put off by. Nobody has got it right and I don't know what the answer is, but showing a little compassion towards those not fortunate enough to live in a safe and peaceful land wouldn't hurt.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:18pm
    oh BettyBoo, a sane post ... :) thank you :)

    I'm surprised no one has raised the fear 'they' may go to New Zealand and come over on a plane!! :)
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:47pm
    BettyBoo, forget about stopping the boats and concentrate on slowing them down first. That is the easy part, Take away all the free stuff, put them in tents (No Air Conds or Heaters) and feed them frozen Porcipine 3 times a day. Part 2 offer them free plane rides home when their body weight has dropped by 50%. Fairly simple really.
    sensible senior
    9th May 2013
    12:56pm
    student. they dont only come over by plane they come as students then marry australian citizens to stay.
    Ozetwo
    7th May 2013
    1:12pm
    This is only a sample of the lies, distorted facts and often even obscene emails emanating from what they would have believe is Australia's credible alternative government. The smear campaign is a well orchestrated one and at the same time they keep their inept leader and their policies and costings out of the public gaze to avoid any critical assessment of either. I believe that the current government will be ousted in September and Australia will learn to it's cost (just as Queensland has) the Liberals total lack of concern for ordinary people, be they refugees or citizens of this great land. To all the Australians who support their policies on refugees - shame on you. We are a nation of immigrants. Many came unwillingly in chains, others fled from overseas poverty and wars. The mix is one that has, with only a few hiccups, worked well in this country and added a richer and interesting texture to attitudes, culture and foods (yum). I am ashamed of Pauline Hanson and those who would seek political mileage in supporting her sad and biased views. The low point in the Liberal party came when John Howard tacitly gave his approval to her in order to cling to power. Some of the mud slung by Howard in depicting asylum seekers as sub-human people who would throw their children into the sea to save themselves did stick. This is a lie that he and the Lib spin doctors have to take with him to their graves.
    (Quietly gets down from soapbox and stores it in cupboard as no one is listening)
    Rod63
    7th May 2013
    2:27pm
    I am!! Well said!!
    iamnotold
    7th May 2013
    1:15pm
    Nothing like the mention of "boat people" or "illegals" to bring out the ignorant bigots!
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:25pm
    iamnotold, which ones are the ignorant bigots! The smart ones that don't like boat people, or the idiots that love them? Your comment is having a bob each way like Tom Waterhouse.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:46pm
    Young Simmo, ohh.... This is not about liking or not liking. This is ab out exercising our INTERNATIONAL obligation to give shelter to asylum seekers. So I ask YOU ... who are the ignorant bigots?? Are you informed?? I give up.

    I'm with you,iamnotold. I'm surprised someone hasn't found a way to introduce 'same s*x' marriage' into this forum :) Maybe 'they' are not real asylum seekers but seeking a place that has same s*x marriage :) Nahhh, they would go to New Zealand :)
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:15pm
    jenna, we have no control over the fear and trauma asylum seekers face prior to taking the step to flee their country and risk death to find safety and solace. Asylum seekers are completely different to immigrant. I'm afraid your wish for asylum seekers to stop (under a Coalition Government) will never happen as long as we live in an unjust and unfair world. Your last sentence is ..... Lies, lies and more damned lies.
    Jurassicgeek
    7th May 2013
    5:25pm
    nothing unjust in sending illegals back home! if the wanna come then let it be by the proper channels....
    biddi
    7th May 2013
    1:16pm
    Roll on the Federal election. Until then, the boats are going to come in fast and furious.
    I agree, Macjam. I hope we never have a 'Boston' here but ......
    Jurassicgeek
    7th May 2013
    5:28pm
    The boats will magically stop after the election??? i think not. ...unless we risk world condemnation and sink a few....
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    1:21pm
    Ozetwo...you have just as much right to your soapbox as any other. I wonder if all the sledgers would have sufficient funds, resources, opportunity etc to flee should Australia suddenly become a country of raging war and oppression and stay put rather than attempting to find another alternative for themselves and the ones they love. I doubt it...they'd more likely trample each other to get out - Visa or not! What ever happened to the notion of living by the "golden rule" as Hugh MacKay (social researcher) put it recently..."do unto others as YOU would have them do unto you". We may all then find we have the kind of Australia/World that we would all like to live in.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:56pm
    Great post Maz!! Let's all hijack a cruise ship and flee to New Zealand then we can be 'boat people' and have same s*x marriage :)

    Seriously, I do like your thinking.
    puggle
    7th May 2013
    1:23pm
    These invaders are paying to enter this country and to condone the practice you are helping the trade.People smuggling is rife with this weak spined government of ours. Worried too much about what the Indonesian government thinks.
    Refugees have little chance getting here when corruption rules the waves.
    student
    7th May 2013
    1:53pm
    oh puggle, countries like Romania have asylum seekers! There is NO Government in the world that can (legally or illegally) stop asylum seekers except the North and/or South Pole.

    I think you meant 'Refugees have little chance getting here when (sic) (while) corruption rules the waves. '
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    2:02pm
    student, The Boat people go through 4,5 and 6 countries to get here, they are not looking for refuge, they are looking for the good life. You could almost say it is a little bit of a FIB.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:08pm
    puggle, young simmo et al. Try backing up your statements with facts...you might also like to reference where you obtained such 'facts'. Do you know what it means to reference your statements?
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    2:16pm
    Maz, I read Newspapers and Watch TV, (you should try it) and I don't feel obliged to back up anything, as it is still a free country until the boat people numbers build up. Then watch out.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:25pm
    So...by that you mean that one should believe everything you see and hear on TV and in Newspapers without exception.....they dont have a political/financial/sponsor agenda? Really. Well done. Try an informed education.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    2:35pm
    No Maz, you are the one saying, "one should believe everything you see and hear on TV and in Newspapers without exception". You don't seem to catch on very well, I only said, READ and WATCH, I hope you can catch on this 2nd time around.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:41pm
    Actually young (very) Simmo....you said you read newspapers and watch tv....so do I but I also do more than that ...you should try it then you would make more sense of what it is that you see and hear and catch on to the wider pictures and underlying motivators of those who own the newspapers and television channels...just a thought of course. You can always choose to stay a mushroom of course.
    hedy
    7th May 2013
    1:36pm
    Have you looked at problems of open door policy in Grt Britain and Europe.
    I agree TRUE refugees should be considerd.
    The boat people have enough money to pay to come. They are economics boat people not refugees.
    Please keep Life Choices politically neutral
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    1:43pm
    Hedy many many boat people sell everything they own in order to facilitate one family member to escape in the hope that at some time in the future it MAY be possible to bring other family members (at least some) to a place of safety. This does not mean they are wealthy....it means the friends and family have pooled resources to enable one to escape! Never mind politically neutral. How about start checking facts before running off at rednecked slobbery mouths making lots of noise about something they clearly know very little objective facts about.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:52pm
    hedy, You say "Please keep Life Choices politically neutral ", what are you scared of ?
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:03pm
    'boat people' as they are incorrectly called, usually are well educated and have sold all they own to come here or anywhere to find peace but they come here (and to other countries) then have to face racism and hatred.

    Well said Maz.

    This Life Choices forum is political :) Sorry hedy :)
    aussie
    7th May 2013
    1:52pm
    When English come to visit here they must have vista to enter country. We don't know if these people from boat have done crimes in their own countries because they thrown their papers about. Why don't they stay in their own countries and fight for freedom, and let our own Army COME HOME to their families, and not have widows plus No fathers for kids. These people are running away so they have good life in Australia so army clean up their dirty mess.I seen all this on Four Corner's on A.C.B so their not Asylum seeks it quick way get into country here, through back door.All passages is pay for and these people fly from their country. then boat to here plus amount money is $10.000. so you tell me why should i feel sorry for them. Only got look at Boston people got killed and hurt.. do we need this happen to us?? Look at out air ports it stop bombers their so tight with people who come in and stop drugs coming in... so these people are laughing at us and got tax payer who paying for these camps.Enough is enough sent back home let them fight their own country as we pay enough and Miss Red Head she do doing her job right way, she wants in so she get more votes... Come on Australia wake up please stop our men getting killed save our money for our country.As i said Four Corners on ABC sum all up with month and our goverment can't do job, so easy way take boat people into camps.
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:07pm
    great post aussie. However, you didn't cover same s*x marriage and the Bible.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:10pm
    Not quite sure I get your point aussie? Bit garbled.....please explain....
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:16pm
    ohhhhhhh Maz, you crack me up :)
    Ozetwo
    7th May 2013
    2:22pm
    English must have vista to enter the country? What about Windows 7 ? Presumably iOS is no good either.
    Given the language used I suspect that Aussie is an arrival from overseas as well. Welcome Aussie.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:29pm
    Ozetwo...very entertaining! I agree...Welcome too to Aussie.
    Nanna Duck
    7th May 2013
    2:00pm
    Before I retired I lectured in Communication at one of our universities and taught students on this very topic. Here are some facts: More people walk through the tunnel under the English Channel each and every night than come into Australia in our boatloads. Many more are waiting in camps in Europe for their chance to escape the terrors of their own countries. Around 90% of Australia's real illegal migrants are international students overstaying their visas. Most of the remaining percentage are visitors who have overstayed their visas.
    Having lived in the USA for a few years while lecturing there I can assure you that the mindset of Americans in regard to firearms, bombs etc is vastly different from our own. Most extremists of persuasion are home grown. The rest come in quietly on legal visas. Very few come into any country in a blaze of publicity.
    All this brings to mind the words of an old song from the musical South Pacific which says in part:
    You've got to be taught to be afraid of people whose skin is a different shade and people whose eyes are oddly made...you've got to be carefully taught. Just what are you letting people with set agendas teach you? Are you being "carefully taught"?
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:15pm
    I love it!! I'm a student of Humanities and Communication (double major Philosophy and Politics) and I have studied ethical questions including Asylum Seekers, Euthanasia, Torture etc. and it really enlightened me.

    People have to listen to EVERYTHING including stuff they do not believe, just so they can make an informed decision. Unfortunately some people will not see past what THEY think is right. You're right. We are afraid of anything (anyone) that is different. Fear is a powerful weapon.

    Thanks for a great post.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:19pm
    Great post Student....I am too a student albeit a Mature Aged one! Studying Social Science.....Informed debate is useful for everyone...there is always more than one view of the world worth considering..critical thinking should be mandatory at any age!
    student
    7th May 2013
    3:08pm
    Maz, I'm no spring chicken :) Because I refuse to be mature I am only an aged student :) and I love learning.
    alanh0915
    7th May 2013
    2:07pm
    As one who tried to come out to Australia in 1977 with a wife and one child after serving 12 years in the UK Army (Coldstream Guards) with an exemplarily record I was refused entry. You take it on the chin and get on with life. In 1982 I tried again and was allowed into Australia after having gone through strict interviews and medical tests in The UK. I worked hard and eventually built up a Security Company which at times employed between 10-20 people, I am now retired.
    There is a right way and a wrong way of going about obtaining the right of becoming an Australian citizen. Future generations will suffer for what the Labour Government has done to this country regarding the influx of boat people who I suspect a large part are economic refugees rather than political.
    I am not a scaremonger so the loony left can get off my case. I know from 12 years experience in the British army, a further 6 years living in the UK and then 30 years Security experience in Surfers Paradise and Broadbeach on the Gold Coast that some communities will never join as one.
    I really do fear for my great grand children's future, even though they have not yet been born
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:26pm
    alanh0915, (I am being very tongue-in-cheek) you have tasted racial discrimination for being a POM!!! (I really am sorry that has happened to you) However, I have to disagree with you about people fleeing to Australia for economic reasons. They sell all their belongings and then start a horrible journey not knowing where it will end.

    Also, you are not doing your future ancestors any good by sprouting fear and gloom for the future. Australia is a good country. We are not perfect but we are good and decent people, even those with whom I do not agree.

    I can not fathom out if you like Australia or think we are stupid.
    alanh0915
    7th May 2013
    5:42pm
    Student, No sympathy required, I am speaking of what I have witnessed, I don't want to direct my comments about certain races that don't show respect or commitment to Australia, but we all know who they are, I repeat I and a lot of people I speak to are worried about the future of our grandkids. And for the record My family and I received Citizenship within 3 years of arrival so your last comment shows ignorance of the point I was trying to make. I was brought up to take an impartial look at the circumstances as they stand at the time instead of the one eyed view that you seem to demonstrate
    Innyoo
    8th May 2013
    10:30am
    I too worry about Australia's future. I came from America when I was nine. I am now an Australian with grandkids. If people come to Australia for safety or for economic reasons and refuse to adapt to the Australian culture then that is going to cause trouble. The very trouble they supposedly left their country to escape from. I already see religious freedom here being threatened in courts and out. This is what is scary for our grandchildren.
    Issy
    7th May 2013
    2:07pm
    Aussie, there is no government in any country who can stop asylum seekers. An Abbott government will have no success either. The troops serving in other countries have nothing to do with asylum seekers, except perhaps to encourage them. They are sent by our governments (on both sides of the spectrum), in order to be a buddy to the US govt (of either party). If Afghanistan was now safe, Afghanis wouldn't leave, and our troops wouldn't be getting killed and injured. We should demand our Government withdraw our troops.
    jennyya
    7th May 2013
    2:37pm
    The boats were stopped under the John Howard regime and can be done so again - and will be by the Coalition. Multiculturalism is a wonderful thing and has made Australia a very interesting place. However, these people coming in are unknown as they have managed to lose their papers/passports on the way here. And besides, there are too many coming in all at once! We are allowing many people in that have not been vetted correctly so it is no wonder the majority of Aussies are a little worried. Some of these people will never assimilate and will cause trouble in the future. Do we want that? No we don't so I say to all you social workers and do gooders out there - enjoy while you can because Big Tony is coming to town!!!
    digiom
    7th May 2013
    3:12pm
    Not only do some destroy their papers which they would have had to travel to Indonesia, but I have been informed by Customs officials that they have intercepted passports etc being sent through the post to friends in Australia.

    When you are given an identity and papers on arrival and have your legitimate papers awaiting you, you can register with Centrelink under two names. Don't tell me this has not happened.

    You people have short memories. What about the actual people smuggler working for a supermarket in Canberra. His family members given social housing while locals have to go through a long waiting period for one to become available.
    MITZY
    7th May 2013
    2:14pm
    Dear Rachel:

    To add to the book list for Mother's Day in yesterday's article, maybe we could add: "THE HAPPIEST REFUGEE". This is the biography of "Anh Do" who came from Vietnam in 1980 with his parents and others and what he has done with his life. He has grown up in Australia after a perilious journey where two engines broke down on the flimsy boat they were on and his father mended one of them with the rubber from a "thong". He went to school, university, married and has three Ozzie children. He came through uni with a law degree and was offered a job in a law firm to work 60-70 hours per week and decided acting, along with his film-producer brother would be more rewarding. His parents must have worked hard as soon as they were able in order to put their children through school and education.

    Give me some more "Anh Do's". Would you believe his author's profile and an extract from his book were used in the 2011 School Certificate examinations in New South Wales! and he now visits schools all around this State.

    How many other unsung asylum seekers are there who have been processed, become legitimate refugees, been educated, and now contribute to this wonderful country.

    Anh Do's three children will no doubt be worthwhile citizens due to their father's humble beginnings and gratitude to Australia.

    The ABC Four Corners report 29th April (on the asylum seekers/Salvation Army helping out) is well worth revisiting. You can read a complete transcript of that programme as I stated in another report a few days ago re foreign aid. Major Paul Moulds of the Salvation Army has spent three months on Manus/Nauru and also discusses the Sallies involvement on a video on the ABC site. Go and have a watch/listen to this compassionate man.

    I'm going to go and have a search about where some of the above comments posted are emanating from. Will I be disillusioned by commentary, yes, I think I will.

    Did anyone watch ABC's Q&A last night. So, so many intelligent teenagers in our schools and just look at how many of them were of different ethnicity/backgrounds. What intelligent questions they posed to our PM and what intelligent answers they received. And, then again, if they didn't get the answers they were expecting, they countered again and again for her to expand on her responses. Bring them back again, I say, and let us have the "Leader of the Opposition" face these same teenagers with questions of importance to them, as well.
    I can't tell you how impressed I was with them and they came from so many different schools, public, private, religious, etc.
    As we retirees on this website rant and rave (me included) these educated school children put us to shame.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:22pm
    Beautiful Post Egyptian...and yes I did and I agree!!!! They are far more informed than given credit for! Yes, do the same again with the Opposition...that WOULD be interesting.
    Ozetwo
    7th May 2013
    2:27pm
    I doubt that they would let Tony Abbott loose on Q & A, all his appearances are very carefully orchestrated.
    Jen
    7th May 2013
    2:30pm
    How many classes in Australia have as their best performing students, moslem kids from Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq, or Vietnamese or Indian kids? A lot. (Sorry if you were wanting the stats.) It's the same in England. Once they get an opportunity, they grasp it with both hands. They know how lucky we are in this country.
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:30pm
    It would need to be a long and tedious program whilst he pontificated and consulted with his advisors!
    student
    7th May 2013
    2:37pm
    Egyptian and Maz, I have just finished watching the repeat program Q&A and I too was impressed with the quality of the questions and answers. Often I have been afraid of leaving this world (country) to the young people, but now I can die (one day in the far future!!) knowing our wonderful country will be well looked after. I am proud of our young people. Imagine, Australia, the land born from convicts and undesirables is now coming of age with smart, intelligent and compassionate young people. I really would like to live forever to watch (with pride) our maturing as a great country. Bless our young people, no matter what their ethnicity.
    Rod63
    7th May 2013
    2:39pm
    Thank you for this post, Egyptian.
    MITZY
    7th May 2013
    3:54pm
    MAZ, OZETWO, JEN. STUDENT, ROD63: Thanks so much for your contribution to my post. After reading the majority of YourLifeChoices posters today , I feel as a whole, they would have a much kindlier attitude to other feral animals than the human-kind. Is this multiculturalism at work? One set of rules for all our fortunate Aussies and none for anyone else?
    sensible senior
    10th May 2013
    6:26pm
    i like Anh Do
    Grateful
    7th May 2013
    2:31pm
    Just hours old and this topic has already received over 50 responses. Asylum seekers won the Liberals an election once and they know that it is a very "hot" subject to Australian voters. Better get used to seeing many many more emails and propaganda from the Coalition before the election. It wins many many votes.

    But, will the new government be able to do any better? No way, certainly not under the present arrangements and they have NO alternatives. They CANNOT "turn back the boats".
    And, odd that no mention in that email of over 1,000 asylum seekers having been returned to their own countries just this year alone!!
    But, whatever you do, do not vote just on one issue, because you mark my words, the BIGGEST item on the Coalition's agenda is "WELFARE". Yes, all pensioners and Disability benefit recipients, better batten down the hatches because you can count on being MUCH worse off come the time of the next election and if you vote for the Coalition this time because of asylum seekers alone, then be ready to vote them out again, because the boats will still come and your income and benefits will be slashed. Those enjoying their Pensioner Health Benefits card and any form of pension who have "means to support themselves" better beware of Joe Hockey. WELFARE is his number one target!!!!!
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:36pm
    Thanks Grateful....well said. Those in need are always the first target of coalition 'reform'....must have a scapegoat so if its not asylum seekers, single parents per se, it will of necessity have to be those receiving welfare! Must away to study more about Vulnerable people and communities! Cheers
    student
    7th May 2013
    3:02pm
    thanks for the (bad!!)news Grateful :) Labor giveth and the Coalitionist taketh away :) Fear and lies are powerful weapons. Oh, and ignorance.

    Maz is right, the weak and vulnerable are the first to be hit. Those least able to defend themselves, go first. I have tried and tried to see compassion in the Coalition but all I see is the longing for power and more power. Money is power.

    Oooops, what is the subject again?? Hmm yes. Rachel, I am sure you know that some people know it is our international and moral duty to offer safety and shelter to the asylum seekers. I am not sure of the financial way International Aid is given but I am sure it is not by handing out buckets of cash, and we would benefit somehow.. Therefore our responsibility to asylum seekers can benefit us not only with intelligence and customs but with the financial contribution that will be made to Australia as a whole once the asylum seeks start earning an income.

    Looking after our own?? I'm sorry but I'll bet the majority of those who say 'Turn back the boats" also cry pensioners need more :) We, pensioners, are lucky to live here. Let's share our good luck with others. Pensioners are a national responsibility, Asylum seeks are an international obligation.
    Jurassicgeek
    7th May 2013
    5:36pm
    only 1000...whew1 just another 39000 to go....
    Lucky Lady
    7th May 2013
    2:37pm
    A reminder! Think back..and remember the history of our ancestors. A lot of our ancestors came from another country to build a better life - some were 'so-called criminals' who stole a loaf of bread & were shipped here from England, against their will. Others followed from England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales then Italy & Greece. They all worked very hard to give us all what we now call Australia, the 'Lucky Country'! They all had something to contribute making this nation what it is today. Sharing is caring...this is a big place!
    Put yourself in their shoes! If you and your family were facing death in your own country would you not be desperate enough to leave all behind & escape terror for your family's sake? & hope your new country would welcome you, show compassion & support to give your family an actual real future!
    Change is difficult until it's accepted by the majority, but change is inevitable and most often for the better.
    Some positive ideas for those who are 'at the helm' to resolve difficult integrating issues:
    Provide basic, comfortable accomodation & everyday provisions for these desperate people.
    including a park for the children & relaxation lounging areas for all - they have been through a lot! Show them films (in their language to begin with) about our history, culture, land, people, job, laws, religions, beliefs etc - explain what 'someone smiling at you' means here etc & what is expected of them to contribute & blend in well here! & provide this knowledge gently in a welcoming manner...
    Start teaching them all English right from the start to help them communicate with us & explain it's necessary to speak English here asap & yes, speak your native language at home with family & friends.
    Make it 'obligatory' that they become Australian Citizens if they want to stay here & contribute.
    Teach them about Australian history & pride and so, what is expected of them!
    Slowly integrate them into our now very much multi-cultural society.
    Give them paid work so they become more independant & can educate themselves & their children to get ahead & once again have pride by blending in with us & contributing to an even greater new country!
    There isn't enough accomodation for them so re-pay those in the current holding places to help build more improved accomodation, helping themselves & others...for sure they become aggitated just 'sitting around' & discussing & waiting for the unknown' - give them constructive things to do to improve their very difficult & desperate situation!
    This lucky countries infrastructure needs big improvements to accomodate our growing population! get them to help us build more & better railways, roads, towns etc which will help expand this country & help dying towns..minimalising populations in major cities.
    Make it a four-day working week for all, providing jobs for all, sharing the wealth & giving everyone 'a fair go'!
    For the wealthy immigrants who wish to come here and 'buy up Australia' - make it obligatory that each person coming puts in $250,000 each towards our present infrastructure, schooling, hospitals etc provided already to help pay for the necessary improvements required! After all, that's what we would have all contributed in taxes, rates etc...
    Forget about political parties squabling & remember it unfortunately happens each election year as the election draws closer, from the 'underdogs' - whichever party that may be!
    Instead, let us all focus on the problem at hand - show compassion & understanding towards others & simply work out the fastest, easiest, most cost-effective, responsible & best way of providing them relief & an actual future to work towards here in Australia!
    Maz
    7th May 2013
    2:47pm
    Oh thank you Lucky Lady....I seriously feel less agitated. You talk sense, provide concrete solutions to a huge problem and provide a deeper context than the current boat people issue. I agree wholeheartedly. Cheers.
    student
    7th May 2013
    3:05pm
    well, I m a descendant of the very first BOAT PEOPLE!! and proud of it :)
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    3:10pm
    A good fairy story you have told. Fortunately I no longer believe in them.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    2:43pm
    student,
    Why would fastracking asylum seekers make governments unstable? If you mean that governments would be seen to admit too many,too quickly, you are incorrect. It is only after fall-out from inefficent programs do people become anxious. The problems we see are those caused by ridiculously long processing periods.

    Some efficient protocols implemented in processing, and more bods available would do a great deal to manage the situation.
    student
    7th May 2013
    3:28pm
    Twila, A lot of the people who deride the asylum seeker process also howl down the numbers. I have heard a possible solution would be to have more o/seas staff to process the applications quicker but that would not stop people paying people smugglers. To hasten the acceptance program causes other problems.... infra and intra structures etc.I don't know the solution but it is a problem facing every country in the world. I agree about the effect of the ridiculously long waiting lists, but we have to have housing, schools, parks, roads, and dare I say ... community meeting places (such as churches) Tax the big miners and we may achieve a happier outcome. Australia needs more schools and hospitals ... and working people.

    So to answer your question Twila, the sudden influx of people of all ages would put too much pressure on communities and the infra-structures. Maybe the solution would be to stop the cause NOT the result. Stop wars and atrocities and let peace be the way of life, world wide! Fat chance, While we have greed we will have asylum seekers.`
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    2:49pm
    The asylum seeker situation demonstrates only too well the indecisiveness and inefficiency of our goverments.
    nightie
    7th May 2013
    2:58pm
    I don't agree to say it is scaremongering is an exaggeration, like Julia Gillard calling Tony Abbott a misogynist instead of sexist..To say the number that has come under Labour is only equal to 1.7% of our population and not how much it has cost our country in Billions of dollars more than what has been spent on pensioners in this country is outrageous. A lot of these people are escaping from countries that are predominately Muslim. Our dentention centres are not perfect but they are a hell of a lot better than most in other countries.They have the nerve to riot and destroy property and go on hunger strikes, they should realise that it takes time to be processed and who they say they are. If Islam is so wonderful why do they want to come here? Because of the bullying by extremists and Sharia law. Some countries such as the Phillipines and Thailand are now giving these groups separate parts of their country. This happened also in India where it was sectioned off for Pakistan. So many countries that have Islamic governments are wanting to implement Sharia law. So the country that I have grown up in will no longer have the essence of what it means to be Australian in the very near future.
    ARMO
    7th May 2013
    3:11pm
    Rachel: An asylum seeker is one that flees the turmoil/genocide in their country. The genuine asylum seekers stop at the first friendly country, hoping one day to return to their home. The vast majority of illegals are Muslims - why not seek sanctuary in a Muslim country? Answer: because there is not the welfare payments and freebies. You list countries that have taken far more than Australia. However you fail to mention the huge problems these countries have experienced in housing, health, education and religious conflict. And as many readers have pointed out - ditching your papers so you cannot be vetted really exposes Australia to future terrorists attacks. You call it scaremongering. I call it common sense.
    digiom
    7th May 2013
    3:18pm
    Well said Armo.
    battiejl
    7th May 2013
    3:12pm
    Why don't these QUEUE JUMPERS go back to where they come ffrom and fight for their freedom and let our boys and girls come home in one piece.

    Sick to death of the feel good do gooders

    We can not afford to give our young a free education, our elderly access to hospitals when they need it - they have to go on the long waiting list Boat people come in and go to the top of the list if they need something.

    They destroy the shelters given to them - burn them down so they have to be let into the community - WATCH OUT - you will al be praying to Allah soon - and then fighting for our freedom
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    3:23pm
    Nothing will change unless Australia withdraws as a Signatory to the UN Refugee Convention. It is the UN that are behind our current problem. It will not harm our International reputation one iota . Just need a Political Party which has the intestinal fortitude to do it.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    3:19pm
    If the processing of asylum seekers was efficient we wouldn't have such problems. Efficient processing also means identifying those who are not genuine asylum seekers, and given the law of averages, some would definitely not fit the criteria.

    All who enter Australia should accept our culture as the dominant one, whilst embracing their own. This means any radical, extremist ideas should be left outside our borders; as should any practices at variance with our laws. This should be required of entry into Australia country. Basic civil courtesy to their county of adoption. Everyone who seeks residence in other countries recognises this obligation to the host country.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    3:32pm
    alanh0915,
    I do sympathise. I have known two rejected for residence in Australia. One person, married to an Australian, was not only bringing financial resources into the country, but was also a biochemist with training in top universities overseas. Whilst he was undergoing processing, he had to leave Australian shores every six months.
    Anonymous
    7th May 2013
    4:01pm
    Twila, you are either ill informed or you are lying. That story is total fiction. It is possible that the person referred to had an idiot acting as his/her Immigration Agent. Unless there are some very odd facts that you have not disclosed, & I presume that the application fee has been paid, my Company will look after that particular case free of charge & he/she will not have to leave Australia, ever, unless the applicant is refused their Partnership Visa. You can write to me personally regarding the case if you want to take up the offer.
    Smee
    7th May 2013
    3:36pm
    C'mon folks. These illegals (and that is what they are) are costing us billions. I'm a pensioner who has worked all my life for what I have and I've paid my taxes in the hope that my contribution will make Australia a better place for my kids and grand-kids. Why should some 'illegal' get the benefit of my hard earned $$? To hell with the lot of them. Let their boats sink, for all I care. If some of you bleeding hearts would care to look at Australia's denegration of living standards, you might have a different view. I couldn't give two hoots about our 'international standing' or any other statistics which are rammed down our throats; we can't afford this illegal entry.
    When I signed up to Your life choices I did so in the hope that I might find some benefits for my retirement. What I have found is is a suggestive left of centre bunch of juniors.
    Bye all; it's been fun.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    4:58pm
    Smee, well said I agree 100%. I have said many times take away all the free stuff and that will slow them down. Once we get back to maybe one boat a month it will be a simple job to sink their boats at midnight.
    Jurassicgeek
    7th May 2013
    5:21pm
    well said...
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    3:48pm
    student,

    Surely efficient processing would stop people smugglers. If not, why not?

    Infra-structure to accommodate asylum seekers has to be built anyway. Are you saying that detention centres are holding cells until necessary infrastructure is put in place? The entire situation gets worse by the minute.

    7th May 2013
    3:48pm
    Rachel Tyler Jones makes a point of how many refugees went to Iran for example Instead of talking left wing ideology that everybody else has to pay for, lets add some facts. Iran has a population of over 75 million. Most of the Afghan refugees were not welcomed into Iran, they crossed the borders with no invitation or welcome. They live mainly in refugee camps with no work & little food & are there under the protection of the UN as well as being cared for by the UN, NOT BY IRAN. They are there under a very definite time limit. They will never get PR & can never get citizenship. Already, over 100,000 Afghans have been deported back to Afghanistan. In 2010, a large number of the refugee illegals were executed by hanging in the suburban streets. At the present time, about another 3,000 are awaiting execution. Is this the example of how you would like Australia to treat these illegals? Would you like some of the facts about Pakistan, Syria & Jordon as well or do you prefer to turn a blind eye to all your comparisons?
    nightie
    7th May 2013
    11:05pm
    innes
    yes it is disgusting that people are murdered when seeking shelter, but they do not have that option when coming to Australia by boat, that is what makes it unbelievably stupid when detainees in this country, destroy the amentities that they have and riot and go on hunger strikes as well as sew their lips together, so do gooders try to emotionally blackmail the population in thinking more billions should be spent. In reality it is to keep asking for more. Interesting that in the UK now Islamic students are now saying that it is against their religion to pay for University fees and they should be exempt,(but not for the non muslims). Many Islamic countries make parents pay for education, that is one of the reasons girls are not educated. It is nonsense to suggest that we (Australia) would even comtemplate executing refugee seekers.Have a cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    3:57pm
    After WWII we had a massive influx of people. They were housed in nissan huts, and uncomplainingly accepted any deprivations they may have felt. We also had the Snowy River Scheme which effectively utilized so many migrants. There must be a message here somewhere.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    4:03pm
    Innes,
    Thank you for these facts. It is important to hear all sides of an issue instead of going off half-cocked.
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    4:08pm
    Innes,
    The case I cited occurred about 15 yrs ago. They had married in the USA, he was a US citizen. He was middle-aged, and I understand that his age was the problem.
    Thank you, for your offer of assistance. They would have deeply appreciated this at the time.

    7th May 2013
    4:33pm
    Twila, we have only been in the Immigration business for about 10 years. I am not an expert on the older rules, but age is definitely a big problem to-day, although it is of little concern where partnership is concerned. EG, I have a B in Law in England who would dearly like to come to Australia. He is over 70 & it cannot be done. However, if he were to find a 60 year old Australian wife, it only requires a visitor visa followed by the payment of a Partnership Visa fee of $2,875 & his PR is slow but automatic. He would even be covered by Medicare while he waited.
    sensible senior
    10th May 2013
    6:28pm
    Innes can you please tell me where are they getting all the boats, surely the Indonesian Authority would be able to find out where
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    4:42pm
    Innes,
    They have now settled in the states, and I doubt if they would want to settle here now.
    I do recall that he had to go off-shore every six month (to NZ) and it was a very expensive exercise all round. He wasn't anywhere near seventy. As you say, older immigration laws were different.

    I don't understand immigration laws at all. Your BIL would surely get an English pension which would preclude him being a "drain" on Aussie coffers.
    Anonymous
    7th May 2013
    5:03pm
    The pension is not a problem. (although I don't know how they live on the English pension) There is simply no way that an older person can get in except by partnership Or family reunion, which is not applicable because it requires more than half the family to either have Australian PR or Citizenship.
    Jurassicgeek
    7th May 2013
    4:54pm
    They are all illegals if they try to get in by any other method than the proper channels. We do not need to support them for any longer than it takes to book a plane ticket back to where they came from....
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    5:06pm
    Jurassicgeek, why waste money on a Plane Fair, I would prefer to see them towed halfway back on a surf ski and cut loose.
    JJ
    7th May 2013
    5:06pm
    Twila, I think you have the right idea there! In Tasmania we had a large influx of migrants after WW2 also, many of whom could be classified as political asylum seekers. They were all taken up in the less popular public works operations like the Hydro Electric Commision and the roadworks. The men were keen to work, and were not too proud to take the back-breaking physical labour regardless of their own qualifications. They too lived in huts near their workplaces. I don't think many of them were dependant on social welfare or handouts! Maybe it's time to try this way of including our current crop of "migrants" into the community, instead of spending huge sums on locking them away like lepers. It would be better for them and for us.

    The only reservation I have regarding the "boat people" is the concern that among the many good people there may be concealed a few fundamentalist followers of Islam, and I would hate to see the kind of brutal attack that occurred in Boston. But we cannot allow fear of this possibility to close our hearts and minds to all the men, women and children who come to our country for help.
    FEDUP
    7th May 2013
    5:45pm
    Queue jumpers are still queue jumpers even if they are arriving in boats. If I was in power, if they had no papers they would be on the first plane out of here, and back to their homeland.
    Can't understand the Sri Lankan's seeking asylum in Australia, as their country is a beautiful country. All has been forgiven since the war between the Tamils and the "Ceylonese" and a peace is evident as I have a nephew who teaches school in Sri Lanka. If the Afghans keep coming, how about we bring back our soldiers to be police over these people, instead of reading of the youth of Australia fighting the American war for them, being blown up and brought home in coffins.
    Bet that within weeks of being granted temporary citizenship, their hands will be out for the "Baby Bonus", Rental Assistance, Free medical, Dental, Free school and then insisting that we accept their religion. BRING BACK THE "MERRY CHRISTMAS" or no Ramadan.
    Myall25
    7th May 2013
    5:47pm
    Scaremongering? Maybe, but probably not. However, under the Liberals, nothing will change. They only talk as if they'll do something about it. In reality, they're just as bad as Labour!

    If you want to do something to prevent these people forcing their way into our already overpopulated country, mail Bob Katter and demand he run on shutting down all immigration and ban the practice of Islam in Australia. None of the other runners in the federal election will and if he doesn't, then you'll know he's nothing but bull shit too.

    He doesn't want to any more than the others, but one of his main policies is that he'll do what the majority of electors want. The majority of electors have wanted mass immigration stopped from the beginning but have had mass immigration forced on us by the major parties.

    I would suggest that the supporters of immigration above stop sprooking the major party propaganda on the issue. Immigration has ruined Australia. You can't move in our cities. Governments cannot provide esentail services and infastructure. Fascists have caused Australians to be regarded as second class citizens if they want to drink, smoke and gamble. We are forced to wear seat belts, helmets and copious other unnecessary safety equipment, simply because immigrants are basicily gutless! But worst of all, the fascist filth have made it that a worker has to submit to piss tests to get a job!
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    5:54pm
    Islam is the same as any other Pandemic disease. But Governments (Western) are doing nothing to contain it.
    ERROLSYD
    7th May 2013
    8:02pm
    Well said mate so true, no guts!
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    12:04pm
    Good one Macjam i would like to know in advance the new statistics on how many muslims we now have in australia. Before they were afraid to put down their religion but now they are advised to so that they can build more mosques
    dweezy2176
    7th May 2013
    6:21pm
    It's wonderful to see so many of the rose-coloured glasses common garden variety commenting, those who DON'T live in the Multi-Cultural Cesspit, Fairfield, NSW! Simple suggestion if you want to see the one place where the boat-scum, regardless of ethnicity, worship the one true God, "CENTRELINK", then visit and be enlightened!
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    6:28pm
    dweezy2176, I live about as far away as you can get without falling into the Indian ocean from Fairfield NSW. Please enlighten myself, and maybe a couple of others as to what you are really trying to say. So far it is a lot of hollow words.
    Sylvia
    7th May 2013
    7:03pm
    The illegal immigrants entering Australia by boats should be sent back to where they boarded the boat! usually Indonesia, which is mainly a Moslem country, so they would be safe there, they dispose of any papers they have, and come here as refugees, economic ones, we must be one big joke to them, imagine going to their country and asking for help???
    But my gripe is why these ( mainly) men who come here never get together and go fight for their freedom from the oppression and fear in their own countries?why do our people have to fight for them? we do it to protect our own from terrorism and to hopefully bring a freer way of life to those who live in those countries,, hoping that eventually the new governments will see democracy founded and eventually a better life for those living under a yoke of such control, that is unbelievable, I would have more respect for those who would want to fight for their own.
    Instead we give them every thing that they want, and ensure many more will follow, and genuine refugees are still waiting to come here through the front door.
    What is also annoying many Aussies is that as soon as they arrive they demand everything , they want their way of life they ran from back again, they do not seem to understand, here we have our laws, and our religion, and both are kept separate, because a persons religion is a personal thing and here we tend to allow others to believe in what they want , but our laws are for us all, and religion does not come into it. I am told many are intelligent people just wanting to start afresh in a safe place, so if this is so, please tell them if they want to live here then to follow our customs and abide by our law, that would be a good start.
    But !! If any one has read about or visited Europe will soon see what we are going to reap, ask the people in the Netherlands, In Briton, Italy, France and Germany?
    They will tell you and I am so afraid you haven't got a clue yet what you are intending to inflict on our descendants , so help us God.
    What I write is from observation, having many friends in other parts of the world, and listening to their problems. Maybe it is already too late.
    PS. I am usually optomistic, I do not care about color ,creed or race, but I do care about freedom, that our menfolk have given their lives to ensure we have, it just seems so wrong to let others walk in, dictate and over ride our way of life, so if you are a genuine refugee, I am sure we will give you our hand in friendship, but join with us in keeping our laws, and customs.
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    7:11pm
    Your message is plain, clear and well thought out. Thank you.
    nightie
    8th May 2013
    1:56pm
    It is a sad fact that our forces fighting for the right to a better life for people overseas, that these people do not appreciate the ultimate sacrifice that the young men are willing to give, that is their life. When I hear on the news that many young Lebanese Australian men and refugees from Syria are fighting the Syrian government, it makes me wonder what is their true allegiance to our country. furthermore, what is the make up of the opposition rebels in Syria, is it a militant islamic group which is being directed by the Taliban? The so called Arab Spring in Eygpt is now emerging as a islamic fundamentalist group that wants to impose Sharia Law. A backward step for that country I would suggest.
    Abe
    7th May 2013
    7:44pm
    Just a thought: Looked up Wikipedia on Earth's populations over the years. This is frightening. In 1804 the pop. was ONE billion, in 1927 ( yes, 1927) it doubled to 2 billion, in 1960 it was 3 billion, in 1974 - 4 billion, in 13 years it went to 5 billion, in 1999 - 6 billion and in Oct 2011 it became 7 billion. The Earth just cannot sustain these numbers. They are using up the planet's resources too quickly, and the industry to support this amount of people is raping the land and leaving nothing to renew the resources. I strongly believe that the major cause of global warming is all these people and the infrastructure supporting them.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    8:12pm
    So, you are using the planets resources too quickly, when are you going?
    ERROLSYD
    7th May 2013
    8:01pm
    Well m/s Jones and all you bleeding hearts how many of these ILLEGALS have you sponsored or taken into your homes? It is ILLEGAL in most countries in the world to cross their borders without visas , passports etc. as it is here!!! We have a population of about 25 million and per capita have the highest intake of LEGAL immigrants! May 2013 about 3,500 ILLEGALS in the last 7 days 13 boats = 1145 ILLEGALS each one of these cost the Australian taxpayer $89,000 to process without the ongoing costs . Over stayers from planes etc . sure they are in big numbers BUT we know who they are and have already passed visa checks they do not get centrelink payments or nor do we pay for their accommodation or all the extras!!! All the immigrants who came over after the 2nd world war got nothing , they worked hard learnt English and got on with life and some of them are more Aussie than those of us born here. By the way my Great grandfather came from Sweden in 1873 , was invited out here and fare paid by the QLD GOVERNMENT. This lot of ILLEGALS in the main do not want to intergrate , do not want to leave behind their twisted ideas but want to carry out their own form of law. Just check out the UK , France, Sweden, Germany to name a few and see what problems that they bring to those countries. A Public school on the Gold Coast where the 2 sides of Islam refuse to travel on the same bus so we provide taxis for the other group. Some tuckshops , fast food restaurants will not sell pork products, ham , bacon only sell halal food????? Melbourne uni separate toilets for muslims,segerated seating for men and women. Curtains for a PUBLIC swimming pool for muslim women What is this country becoming a muslim state??? Well I am NOT sorry if I am called a racist but I cannot stand by and let this happen without speaking my mind. Our forefathers fought and died for our freedom of speech and way of life and I for one will not be silent!!!
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    8:09pm
    JJ,
    I agree with you. Many of those who worked on the Snowy River Scheme and other projects were often extremely qualified men, indeed university professors. They never quibbled about the jobs they were expected to do. They were only too pleased to be accepted into Australia.

    Doctors from Europe were not automatically given a licence to practice. Their qualifications were not accepted, if they wanted to practice medicine they had to undertake study here. I recall an Australian doctor telling me that his lecturer had singled out one of the Europen students as being bored "Am I boring you?" The student had written the text the lecturer was using. When I was at boarding school, one of our janitors had been a lawyer in his own country. These people were extraordinary. They had no illusions as to what they would experience here - in many cases, their professions traded for very menial jobs.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    8:11pm
    Appalled at some of the comments and the parroting of racist shock jocks. Australians need to become more aware of the realities of the world instead of parroting hatespeak. Most of these refugees are here either because we support repressive genocidal regimes (Sri Lanka) or joining in illegal american wars (Vietnam, Iraq) . in short we help create the refugees and should take full responsibility. this is also our obligation under the international legal conventions that we have signed into Australian law.
    niemakawa
    7th May 2013
    8:24pm
    I am also appalled about your type of comment, which is only adding to the "Asylum Seeker' (AKA Illegal boat people) problem. Laws can be changed and Australia should withdraw as a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.
    Abe
    7th May 2013
    8:12pm
    Onya' Errol Syd. They can leave their ethnic eccentricities on the boat when they get off and assume an Australian mantle. They are welcome to Australia to be Australians, but not to change my country into a suburb of the middle east or anywhere else !!!!!
    Twyla
    7th May 2013
    8:14pm
    JJ,
    Your comments about extremism (and I might add, economic refugees) are valid. The law of averages predicts that not all those entering Australia, are in fact genuine asylum seekers. Most undoubtedly are, but we have to be realistic.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    8:57pm
    95% of the Tampa refugees were found to be genuine with 12 months following a very long processing period.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    8:57pm
    95% of the Tampa refugees were found to be genuine with 12 months following a very long processing period.
    Abe
    7th May 2013
    8:24pm
    Mikecrook, I'm over seventy and I'm in the queue, and you are, too, I'm happy to say. If those figures don't amaze you then you really must have your head up your "where the Sun don't shine."
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    9:06pm
    Hi Abe, I did agree with part of your comment about "raping the land" which is why at home we have become anti CSG and anti new coal mine, campaigners. But, the problem with population debates is, who loses? We know from our own experience that as we improve literacy and health in third world countries, and tie this into some form of security, then, hey presto, the rate of population increase takes a dive. eg Cuba. Birth levels then approach that of western countries, which is quite sutainable. But the world has a long way to go before we look at forced population control, eg wars. For example we produce enough food currently to feed 10 billion people but the distribution is driven by the "market" so it doesn't get to all the hungry mouths. here in Australia we produce enough food to feed 60 million, but a lot of our production is wasted. Indeed waste creation is our largest industry and one that needs to be addressed if we are to have a sustainable future for this planet.
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    8:25pm
    There are some great posts on here and some which really can make one despair at the attitudes prevalent in our country.

    Neither party has the answer to this and when you hear the invidual stories of asylum seekeers then you get an idea why they have fled. It would be a start if the political parties put aside the use of these folk as political footballs and worked together, that would have to help.

    I have concerns at the growth of Islam in our nation as many will not assimilate. Their loyalty is to Islam not Australia. Even so, they should be able to seek refuge, but informed they will be expected to accept Australia's value base. Instead of that we see the alterations to out values in order not to "offend" - something which sadly is not extended to Christian Australians.

    It is a complex issue and there is no one easy answer, but I don't think it is going to go away in the near future.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    9:09pm
    Islam is a religion like any other, and like any other (eg christianity) has it's zealots. But, in the case of Iraq, it was rampant christianity ( ie us) that made this a hell on earth. Those people did nothing to deserve so grievous a fate.
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    9:18pm
    mikecrook We would have to disagree on the religion part as real Christianity is not religion. However, I take your point in the way you use the term. I don't think you come to the conclusion that "rampant Christianity" caused anything. Jesus the Lord of Christians, real Christians, never preached any violence against others, so people who do these things in His name are not Christians. Jesus said, "those who live by the sword will die by the sword." If people do not follow Him and what He said/says then they are not followers of Jesus (Christians).
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    9:21pm
    Mikecrook Sorry I meant "I don't know how you come to term "rampant Christianity, I don't think there is any such thing." (Was watching tv and not what I was typing.) :0)
    Maggie ( SA )
    7th May 2013
    8:48pm
    We've all read about 3rd generation Australians going o'seas to be trained and fight as mercenaries in the ME,why are so many single ( unaccompanied) men arriving on these boats? how do we know they're not coming back as illegals ? Maybe I just watch too much telly, LOL, but it's a scarey thought and all 'boat peoples' ID should be thoroughly checked
    before being invited into our communities (imo)
    ERROLSYD
    7th May 2013
    9:16pm
    Your concerns are real Maggs, who are these people ? Our so called government have cut the numbers of border protection, customs so what we get is a rushed search and then release to the general population via Red Cross, Sallys etc and our government has NO idea where they are. We haven't seen anymore on the ILLEGAL who attacked the young lass on a uni campus, check out the names related to the shootings in Sydney and motor cycle gangs! Why do we have so much violence which includes knives, guns, and another typical Aus wepon a machette???? HA I have a sister who lives in Blacktown where a group she was with was attacked by a group of Africans , cops said they own the streets after 7pm, check out other suburbs in Brisbane and Sydney and see how many arab names are mentioned in attacks!
    alfie
    7th May 2013
    9:08pm
    I've noticed that a lot of the asylum seekers are young, strong and healthy men. It makes me wonder why they leave their country instead of fight for their own country.
    Why do we have to send out our own men over to fight for them whilst they leave the country... we should get these men here and give them military training and send them back to fight for the freedom of their own country along our soldiers.
    Let's face it, we are all aware that not all asylum seekers are really asylum seekers... if you're short minded you wouldn't agree and that's find. I've come from a place where asylum seekers from that part of the world have taken over the place and have forced their way of life because they are not immigrants.... they are settlers.
    Take France with 10% of them already and it has caused a lot of issues because they are changing the life style of the French people to suit their beliefs.... in Australia almost every meat is now considered Hallal and more will come if Australia is not careful.
    mikecrook
    7th May 2013
    9:11pm
    If we didn't go to their country and kill them, for no good reason, then they wouldn't want to escape. Leave them alone and they'll stay home!
    Anonymous
    19th May 2013
    12:14pm
    Tell that to the victims of 10/11 and Bali
    alfie
    7th May 2013
    9:17pm
    The problem is themselves... its their own kind that don't leave them alone and we and others have to save them from themselves because of their beliefs.
    taylah
    7th May 2013
    11:11pm
    They are asylum seekers only because the UN definition was written 1954. The world has changed since then so the modern asylum seeker is in name only. If you are truly in fear of your life you would not go past your first country of refuge. We should have Australians going into real refugee camps and perhaps selecting the poor mothers with near starving children at foot and offering them refuge. We dont need UN officials telling us which refugees we give a safe home. Most communities would welcome these poor devils not the street wise men that predominately arrive by boat.
    mikecrook
    8th May 2013
    7:19am
    I hope and pray that those of you who are so intolerant, will never see your children become refugees. The world should be based on humanity not intolerance. I am not the first person this week to be ashamed to be Australian. Seeing your comments, makes me want to work harder for a just future, and it should start with better education for Australians, bacause at the moment there is a distinct lack in the humanities.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    8:02am
    mikecrook I agree, there tends to be a very harsh attitude from some Australians as if they alone have the right to live here. The situation has been made worse by the political use of the "boat people" by senior politicians, this for their own end.

    Last week at the worship service there was a beautiful man from the Congo, his love of Jesus and His Christian love shone out of him. It touched us all. His story of what he and his family suffered would soften the hardest heart. Australia is so blessed, but it has made for intolerance, greed, and a harsh attitude toward anyone who may rock the comfortable boat we have as a nation.
    Myall25
    8th May 2013
    3:02pm
    One thing that really annoys me about Christians is the way they have of looking down their noses at non believers and going on about "Christian Values." Therefore I hope to be able to give them the opportunity to prove their superiority.
    If enough people contact Bob Katter and force him to run on Banning the practice of Islam and shutting down immigration, he'll win the federal election in a landslide! However, once Islam is banned about half a million Muslims will have to be relocated to countries where Islam is practiced. Therefore government assisted emigration will be necessary. I'll suggest that he allow Christians who would like to give up their place in Australia to a refugee to take advantage of this free service.

    I doubt there'll be any call for it though. Christians are great at running others down, but I'll bet not one will give up their place to a refugee.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    3:12pm
    myall25
    "Christians are great at running others down" - I, as a Christian, did not run anyone down as you so quaintly put it. I expressed an opinion as did you. Try not to be paranoid.

    I never look down my nose at unbelievers. I put the truth before them, I am saddened when they turn away. I was an unbeliever, so I know where they are at and what they miss out on. Not that they are lesser people in my eyes, but they have chosen second best.
    Myall25
    8th May 2013
    3:24pm
    Great lord Harry, how I laugh Taskid. Easy to see you never put anyone down. But are you volunteering to give up your place in Australia to a Refugee?
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    3:47pm
    Myall You call on me, let me see your hand, does your belief system enable you to say "yes I would" - mine does. If that is where the Lord Jesus called me to be, I would be there. How do you know Australians may not become refugees??? After all those who are and who come here never dreamed that they would not have a country to call their own. Stop being so smug, you would not have the intenstinal fortitude to change places with them. At least I know Whom I would trust, who do you have?????
    Myall25
    9th May 2013
    5:55pm
    As for Australians becoming refugees Taskid, no decent Ozzie ever will. We'll die killing the invader or the traitors trying to force Fascism on us.
    Pretty soon the world economic system will collapse, because it's run by gutless Christians who are brain dead. When that happens, we'll have a free hand to eradicate the vermin who have caused the world's problems. If we fail, we'll be dead! Only cowards run.
    Young Simmo
    9th May 2013
    6:05pm
    Myall25, Taskid says she never puts anybody down, read from 9th May 4.57 pm, she has been mercilessly belting poor old me from all directions, and almost driving me to the fridge.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    6:09pm
    Myall Well you are a prophet are you???

    I don't think there are any Christians running any economic system. True Christians know there is no future in money. In fact Jesus told His followers (the only Christians) if they served "mammon" (money) they could not serve God. He said,
    "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

    People who serve money are not true Christians regardless what they call themselves. Not sure how you can call living people "brain dead" pretty sad term of abuse. Now the "spiritually dead" they are in real trouble, but too full of human pride to realise it.
    Myall25
    10th May 2013
    8:35pm
    Yare Tas u could call me a prophet, but I prefer to think that when I see every country printing money as fast as they can, most multinational companies being valued at billions but have no assets except overvalued "good will", I'm capable of realizing that an economic system running on fresh air and westerly winds has to collapse. Workers compulsory superannuation is about all that's keeping the stock exchange going. As for the rest of my post, that's not prophecy that's promise. When it comes down to survival of the fittest, I reckon dinkum Ozzies will be a lot fitter than a bunch of religious nutters! Even if we are outnumbered!

    And yare, Simmo I know Tas's got an ego bigger than Texas and thinks he is God or, at least, his right hand man. (or is he a her) Even in the post denying putting people down, he's telling me I'm second class. In his reply to my last, the 1 world order Christians aren't real Christians. You're dealing with a religious nutter. Don't expect sense! Or more especially, the truth!
    Issy
    8th May 2013
    7:31am
    Well said mikecrook. Couldn't agree more. I guarantee most of the harsh and hard-hearted writers would describe themselves as "Christians". Not much of Christ's teachings sinking in there.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    7:55am
    Issy There other Christians in here beside me?? I have found in YLC the majority of people appear to be ] very anti-Christian, mainly secular/atheistic. Some call themselves "Christian," but from what they say it is apparent they do not follow Jesus so they are not. I have come up against considerable intolerance because I follow Jesus and met only one or two other true Christians. I think people use the term rather too loosely. If one does not have a relationship with the Living Lord Jesus then the name means nothing.

    For me I have compassion on the asylum seekers, I think Abbott should be made to apologise for every time he has wrongly called them "illegals." That has been a wicked use of his senior position to demonise these people.

    My one concern is that Islam is being bowed to by our governments. Wherever Islam is in numbers they push their leaders push for Sharia law and their particular religious customs. Australia should have been strong when Islamic folk started coming here in numbers and made it plain there is the Australian way, built on our foundation of Christian values and that is what they would be expected to live by. Instead Christians come under attack from secularists/atheists, our Lord Jesus is mocked and blasphemed, but few would mock and rubbish Mohammed and Allah as they do the Christian God.

    Apart from that, let them come, screen them as much as possible, encourage them to settle away from the major cities where ghettos form and let them work and be good citizens. Deport the trouble-makers if they are not born here.
    Innyoo
    8th May 2013
    10:39am
    I worry about Australia's future. I came from America when I was nine. I am now an Australian with grandkids. If people come to Australia for safety or for economic reasons and refuse to adapt to the Australian culture then that is going to cause trouble. The very trouble they supposedly left their country to escape from. I already see religious freedom here being threatened in courts and out. This is what is scary for our grandchildren.
    Myall25
    8th May 2013
    12:01pm
    Christians are mentally disabled, just like all other religious lunatics. Believe me, calling yourself a Christian is admitting you're insane!
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    12:06pm
    Myall25, exactly my thoughts, I just didn't know how to say it. Mind you I did think Mentally Disabled was a bit soft, but I will leave it there.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    1:14pm
    Myall25 and Young Simmo
    Yes I understand how you two think. Incomplete humans can only ever think that way. They are so lost and so blind. I was that way for too many lost years. Then I found out how blinded I had to been to truth by human pride, being puffed up, thinking if I couldn't see it could not exist, too much intellectualism, too much rationalism, too much foolishness. I have walked where you have walked, but your are not courageous enough to put those short-sighted points of view to the test. I did, and I am so glad I did. I would never go back to the emptiness of life without the Lord. I feel sad it took me so much time to find the richness of how life can be when we are complete as we were meant to be. Nothing the world offers or my senses can check can replace what I have had for decades not. You may mock but you will eventually laught on the other side of your faces, I wish it were not so, but your choice.
    puggle
    8th May 2013
    9:04am
    Big head or do gooder, these boat crowd are invading our shores.
    True refugees don't have the opportunities as do these street smart cashed up opportunists.
    They,true refugees, are stuck in stinking camps somewhere hoping for a break.
    Precious 1
    9th May 2013
    10:28pm
    Has anyine read the Queens speech or the comments on four corners etc the other night on TV ABC.....they cramming into the English market towns and I was down in Perth couple weekends ago Cirque D Soleil and I saw a huge arab restaurant right on the esplanade with english title then arabic...how do you think I felt...it that the start of the Gaza Strip....are they the single men that are feeing from their homeland not to fight in their armies then....
    niemakawa
    8th May 2013
    10:12am
    The whole Illegal refugee problem is the fault of the Labor Party with its failed policies. But there again they are socialist so we cannot expect anything different. Of course everything has to be paid for so to achieve this they target the "perceived" wealthy, through a raft of taxes, to combat their increasing deficits. These "wealthy" are being stigmatised by comparing their relative "wealth" to bums and layabouts. I hate Labor for everything it stands for.
    Grateful
    8th May 2013
    10:57am
    Let's see what you say at the next election after Tony has had 4 years to try to "stop the boats" and failed and also, as he and Joe Hockey have said over and over again, those on pensions WILL have their pensions reduced, some even removed.
    Tony's personal "signature", "socialist" Parental Leave scheme has already blown out to $4 billion so people will receive up to $75,000 plus 9.25%, while pensioners will have their pensions reduced and other parents with kids at school will have their school rebates slashed???!!! Seems that all "socialists" ain't "socialists", just where the most votes are.
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    10:24am
    OK,I will give my 10 cents worth for the last time. I don't know the total amount of boat people over the last 10 years. But I do think that the chance of 1 in a 1,000 being a potential suicide or car bomber is not unreal. Stop and think where they originated, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka etc. For my money 1 in 10,000 would be too big a gamble. As for all the suckers spruiking God, Jesus and religion, I have a philosophy about that as well. If I can not see it, touch it or hear it, "IT AINT THERE".....OK I am ready.
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    10:26am
    Also If you think you will recognise me from that photo, think again, Mother Nature is the best make up artist on the face of the Earth, He, He.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    11:23am
    Young Simmo
    So you do not believe in fresh air then??? You cannot see it, touch it or hear it - love isn't either, so you do not believe in that?? Hope cannot be seen, touched or heard, so it isn't there for you either, what a sad little life you must have. Bereft of all the good things. None so blind...............
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    11:55am
    My wife keeps telling me to stop baiting people but, when it is this easy I can not help myself. Happy Bible reading Taskid.
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    11:56am
    I can almost hear your next reply, you will say you feel sorry for my wife, He, He.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    1:02pm
    Young Simmo
    No do not feel sorry for your wife I feel sorry for you that you are so easily conned by your senses and are missing out on an integral part of yourself. Of course because you are incomplete your wife misses out too.
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    3:28pm
    Ahh Taskid, you stick with your world of fantasy, and I will stick with my world of things I can see and touch and taste, starting with a cold can of Victorian Bitter. At least my world is real, not imaginary.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    3:57pm
    young Simmo Yes the illusion you have now is the one I had many decades ago. You think it is real. Your choice, your loss.
    Boof
    8th May 2013
    2:45pm
    Our young men are over there, fighting the talaban setting up Police / army forces to help thee people fight against the Telaban, and have a better way of life. What are all these young muslims coming out here for. They should be back there joining those police/army forces and fighting for the betterment of their country. Our blokes are getting killed and maimed for them. Go back and fight, they will never fit in here. They want to change us to suit their needs and stupid beliefs. Mahomad was a camel driver.
    Horse Gal
    8th May 2013
    3:27pm
    I have no problems with people wanting to come and live in our wonderful country.
    I do have a problem with people being exploited by the money hungry people smugglers.

    I believe this could be addressed by
    Increasing the regular refugee intake with faster processing
    People arriving by boat put on the next plane back to whence they came.
    no processing!!
    This would mean the money they had paid to get on the boat was gone with no result.
    I am sure the do gooders would scream but so be it.
    The word would spread, the smugglers would soon be out of business and the loss of life on the seas will cease.

    Just takes guts to implement!!
    catsahoy
    8th May 2013
    3:32pm
    i will not get into the logistics of how to stop these boats arriving , i will say i feel for people with nothing, coming from these so called horrific places, with nothing, but do think charity begins at home, i did take a back step this morning on reading the paper to see they will be recieving $940 per fortnight in welfare payments,these people will be on bridging visas ,the children will be schooled but adults will not be allowed to work, if they dont work how are they contributing to the country, it will stick in the craw of a lot of people, single mothers who are losing around $250 a pay when there youngest turns 8, there has to be a stop somewhere, i dont know the answer, better border patrols, to send the boats back, . but i read of patients waiting up to 2,3 years for urgent operations, not enough schools ,this is only goingto add to these problems. boof i agree they should be fighting there own battles,
    Young Simmo
    8th May 2013
    3:39pm
    I agree catsahoy, the only way is to slow them down first and stop them as the 2nd stage. To slow them down take away all the freebies, comfortable accommodation and top quality food, phone, TVs and medication. Put them into tents with no air con or heating or lighting. That should get it down to 1 boat a month, then it is a simple matter to scuttle their boats at around midnight.
    catsahoy
    8th May 2013
    3:37pm
    just adding, the article on these payments is in todays MELBOURNE HERALD SUN, FEEL SO PROUD, IM ACTUALLY GETTING MY BLOGS IN WITHOUT REPEATING MYSELF,LOL
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:15pm
    Congratulations catsahoy. Well done.
    catsahoy
    8th May 2013
    4:00pm
    young simmo i agree all these so called luxuries should be taken away, they have to recieve basic medical care, but they are given mobile phones, television, it really has to stop, there mobiles are paid for by the govt,[ us,] if they are fleeing, who do they have to call, ?just dont know, have a few ideas but would not dare to voice them here or there would be a lynch party after me,
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:13pm
    catsahoy Mobile phones seem to be no longer a luxury given that young school childreen have them here. Why?/ To be in touch with their family. Refugees have families too you know, they are human. If you had a son, daughter, husband, wife, uncle, aunt, granchild, grandparents who were far from you, wouldn't you feel a need to be in touch and ensure all was well??? It is called humanity.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:25pm
    How did these kids come to be so respect-challenged, what they heard from their parents, grandparent, way they were raised?? If this is what we can expect from our youth heaven help us.

    "Rowdy students at a school south of Brisbane have mobbed the prime minister, with one throwing a sandwich at the PM before teachers gained control.



    Mayhem broke out at Marsden State High School at Logan this morning when Julia Gillard arrived for the Biggest Morning Tea to raise money for cancer.

    Although many cheered and jostled to shake Ms Gillard's hand, one student yelled "loser", a chorus booed, and another wolf whistled before teachers brought them under control.

    One student threw a sandwich at the nation's first female Prme Minister." Nine News.
    niemakawa
    8th May 2013
    4:31pm
    Gillard should not have been there in the first place. She has more important matters with which to deal. What a complete mess this Woman is. She will do anything to capture attention to herself and gain a vote. Insincerity at its best.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:39pm
    Macjam Thanks that answers my question perfectly. The prejudice, bad manners, and lack of respect are handed down from previous generations. These kids just copy what they see and hear at home. It says more about their parenting than it does about the PM. Bear in mind I am not a fan of any politician.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:39pm
    Macjam Thanks that answers my question perfectly. The prejudice, bad manners, and lack of respect are handed down from previous generations. These kids just copy what they see and hear at home. It says more about their parenting than it does about the PM. Bear in mind I am not a fan of any politician.
    niemakawa
    8th May 2013
    4:47pm
    Takshid, I won't disagree with you, many young people do not have manners or general courtesy and yes the parents must take the brunt of the responsibility for the action of their "Offspring".
    Odup2
    8th May 2013
    4:56pm
    Rachel
    Are you suggesting all asylum seekers could just walk into our country, anytime they please? And you are not advocating border control of any kind? Are you suggesting that no limit is placed on such "migrants"? What about the tourists we see being sent back home on the next flight when Immigration suspects they are possible asylum seekers? Should they also be given the same treatment, without question?
    There are millions of potential asylum seekers in Africa who woud die to come to Australia, but are not able to pay the $10,000 boat ride across, much less the cost of the flight to indonesia. Should Australia help them come over by offering regular flights for them? If not, why not? Surely they are deserving of our help as well?
    Odup2
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    4:57pm
    Macjam Thank you for your honesty. The preceding generations must "own" the behaviour of this generation and be humble enough to say "yes they reflect, my attitudes, my values and my conversations." There are many beautiful young, caring Australians but I fear they are in the minority.
    niemakawa
    8th May 2013
    5:02pm
    I know many young people who are caring, thoughtful of others and maintain respect towards their parents. Unfortunately hearing stories about them does not make "good" news. Sad.
    Taskid
    8th May 2013
    5:08pm
    Macjam Yes I agree - we have lost much along the way.
    catsahoy
    8th May 2013
    10:49pm
    taskid, yes it seems everyone has a mobile, i have one that is pre paid, it costs me
    30 dollars a month, if i dont have that money for a recharge i go without until i have the money, i dont like contracts, no one will pay my phone bill for me, while i appreciate they may have family left behind, they cry they have nothing , and live in these so called appalling conditions, how can they afford to run mobiles if they are so oppressed, if they do have people back where they come from, then let them have say half hour call once a week, but giving them a phone to use at will ,i feel is to much, yes children have them for safety reasons when out, but, THERE PARENTS PAY, NOT THE GOV, WHICH IS REALLY YOU AND I .they are being given food and shelter and medical care, they really shouldnt expect all these other luxuries the minute they arrive. i was married for 5 years before we got a small black and white tv, and we worked to get that, seems a bit unfair that my son works 2 jobs to save for a home and lives on the bare essentials to support his wife and 2 young children, but money is just doled out to people who have contributed nothing to this country/ i do feel sympathetic, but i see homeless,ness here and so many wanting, i ask why,
    Irishwolfhound
    9th May 2013
    1:37am
    Any one who destroys their passports and other papers before they call up our Navy to rescue them, are not Asylum seekers, they are economic parasites that are going to drain the life and money from this country. I am all for allowing REAL refugees who have been in camps in war torn countries, but there is no war in Sir Lanka, and if people from Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan can afford the fare to Malasia, and the money for ILLEGAL boat rides, they they are not 'refugees'. They should stay and fight for their own country, not arrive on our shores and demand that WE should obey their rules. Why do we not have a referendum on this in the election?
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    8:18am
    The Government know this, The "Refugee" advocates now this, The Australian voters know this: Alas The voters are ignored, and the Politicians and "Advocates" don't give a damn as long as it pleases the UN. They would not risk putting to the people by referendum, as they already know how it would pan out. We as voters have been disenfranchised and apart from putting a cross against a name at the ballot box, we have little bearing or influence on what the Government does. Maybe boycott the ballot box is the answer?
    sydneycl
    9th May 2013
    11:28am
    You guys at YLC are really careless in hiding your voting papers.
    They are, in fact illegal arrivals if, having left the country of residence, they pass through a country where they are not subject to violence or racial or religious discrimination and from whom they may obtain asylum. In other words, "destination shopping " to access rivers of welfare gold - is illegal. As most 'illegals' are Muslim, they disregard Indonesia as a destination, even though it is a Muslim country, and desperately try to get to Australia. Just connect the dots guys ! What lost me was when one of the so-called "refugees", having paid $10,000 per head for his family of four told our navy person to be careful of that bag because his laptop and I.T. gear was in it !! Refugee?????????????????????????
    Jen
    9th May 2013
    11:33am
    I am wondering how the ownership of a laptop means a person is any less at risk of his life than someone without a laptop? Does having money (perhaps from selling his home and all his possessions) mean he's not going to be at risk of violence, or racial or religious intolerance?
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    5:26pm
    Yes this is defined in the UN Refugee convention. So why does our Government ignore it? At least Mr Abbott calls the Illegal Immigrants/Arrivals. We know there are thousands of genuine refugees languishing in detention centres in Asia awaiting re-settlement. These people must be given priority over the Illegal boat people. They should be sent back immediately to the place of embarkment to Australia and let that Country deal with them. The Labor Government/Greens/Refugee Advocates are encouraging these people to come here, without regard of the Australian voters feelings or wishes. How reprehensible.!
    missmarple
    9th May 2013
    12:22pm
    Come on Jen get your head out of the sand $40,000.00 ( cost of passage on ILLEGAL BOAT ) would buy a family of 4 air fares and money to live on for a time if they came in legally they are not true refugee's
    Jen
    9th May 2013
    5:59pm
    Missmarple, I think it's your head that's buried somewhere. Having money does not mean a person is any less persecuted.
    sydneycl
    9th May 2013
    4:56pm
    Hey Jen - they were not at risk of life in Indonesia or any of the other countries they passed through after leaving their countries of origin and burning their papers. They most certainly were at risk of life when they embarked on a boat for Australia and access to the goodie jar.
    Jen
    9th May 2013
    5:57pm
    But that's not what you said, is it Syd? You seem to think that having a laptop or being able to pay the fares of his family makes that person not a refugee. Which is nonsense.
    wally
    9th May 2013
    5:44pm
    Somewhere in all the smoke and mirrors, we seem to have forgotten about the other asylum seekers in Asian and African refugee camps that have been there for years. Why have these unfortunates been overlooked? As Australia has a quota system, people arriving on boats take precedence over the ones in the Asian and African camps. If these people are GENUINE refugees, I should think that they should be grateful and content to stay in their first port of call after leaving their country of origin. Instead they choose to leapfrog through Southeast Asia until they reach Indonesia and then take to the boats. If these people are fair dinkum about being genuine refugees, why do they dispose of their travel documents before being conducted to Christmas Island?
    It seems these people are "having a lend" of the Australian taxpayer with the collusion of the current Labor government at enormous cost (financially)for being able to cling to power at the behest of the Greens and other "lefties". How does running a squishy-soft immigration policy that favours immigrants with a doubtful (and suspect claim) to asylum over the poor wretches in the African and Asian camps represent the time honoured "Fair Go" of Australian tradition?
    Young Simmo
    9th May 2013
    5:50pm
    wally, I think there could be notices in the Indonesian newspapers saying,
    " Go to Australia, they will treat you better than they treat their pensioners"
    sydneycl
    9th May 2013
    5:56pm
    Wally - you've connected the dots and you're right on the money. My sympathies are with the asylum seekers in African and Asian refugee camps also. I call them the world's forgotten peoples. These are some of the most deprived, impoverished, and destitute people in the world. In a small way, I try to assist with some of these people by donating towards a child's education, a wheelchair, food and clothing at Christmas etc., simply because I am a member of a service club who motto this year is "Peace through Service" and I believe I should help. These poor souls would give their all just to be billeted in an Australian refugee camp with sufficient food to guarantee their kids wouldn't starve to death. These are the deserving ones.
    sydneycl
    9th May 2013
    6:18pm
    Jen, you're quite deliberately missing the point in this conversation. Semantics and avoidance cannot disguise the fact that most of the illegal arrivals are simply not refugees. I know it, you know it and deep down and dirty even Kerry Nettle and Sarah Hanson - Young know it too. Now Keep Calm and Carry On..........
    Jen
    9th May 2013
    6:43pm
    Again, you are wrong. Do your research Syd, the vast majority are checked out as being genuine. And they are not illegal. It's not illegal to claim assylum. I know this doesn't sit well with those who don't want them here, but the facts remain.
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    6:53pm
    Jen, you have been misguided. It is a ludicrous situation, if they are genuine refugees why don't they wait in the queue. They are "stealing" a place from the already processed refugees located in Asia. You are really out of touch. THEY ARE ILLEGAL, you just need to accept that.
    Jen
    9th May 2013
    7:14pm
    You are wrong, but won't be told. That's ok, there's no law against spreading hatred and loathing based on lies. You can believe what you want, it's no skin off my nose.
    niemakawa
    10th May 2013
    12:50pm
    Jen you may be interested to know that Australia Home Network in conjunction with the Federal Government is seeking Hosts to accommodate theses so called "Asylum Seekers". The going rate is $50.00 a week for accommodation and food. In return "They" will supposedly help the Host with house duties. Maybe something you can do to reduce the taxes paid (unwillingly) by the majority of Australians.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    7:18pm
    I have just finished reading two quite long parliamentary reports on Asylum Seekers. I recommend people read these also to get a better perspective of the situation. It is all to easy to make up "facts" which often are not factual.

    To read some posts in here one could get the impression that asylum seekers sit around the kitchen table in some far distance land and, just as one would plan a holiday, they plan where they are going and by what means. The reports show this is far from the reality.

    I put the Conclusion of the second report from this year for those who wish to make informed comment.

    "Governments concerned with controlling their borders often talk about the need for ‘orderly migration’. While this is of course an ideal principle, the reality of asylum flows is that they are complex, messy and far from orderly. People who flee their country of origin in fear of their lives do not always have the time or resources to plan their journey in an orderly fashion. They often have little control over their journey and are able to make choices only within a very narrow range of possibilities. Decisions are made on the run, opportunities seized on and control often handed over to people they have paid to get them to a place of safety. This is the context in which debate about how best to reduce the numbers of asylum seekers traveling irregularly to Australia takes place.

    By far the majority of the world’s asylum seekers and refugees remain in their region of origin, their choice of destination limited by geography, a lack of resource, and for some, a hope that their move is temporary and they will one day be able to return home. For those who make their way further afield to claim asylum in an industrialised country, their ultimate destination is often a consequence of chance rather than choice. Research shows that for many, the decision is made for them by an agent, or smuggler. For those who are able to exercise choice, the most significant factors influencing that choice are the existence of social networks and other historical ties in the destination country. To the extent that the decision is influenced by what asylum seekers know about the destination country, the knowledge that a country is democratic and free is more important than knowledge of specific asylum policy.

    While more research is required into the ways in which asylum seekers interpret and respond to messages of deterrence, it is clear from the existing literature that opportunities for governments to curb asylum flows through policies of deterrence are extremely limited. Asylum seekers are often simply unaware of policy measures aimed at discouraging their arrival. Where they are aware of such measures, they respond to them in complex and often unpredictable ways. This represents a considerable challenge for policy makers charged with stemming the flow of asylum seekers and appeasing a public which is increasingly demanding (for various reasons) that the government ‘stop the boats’. "
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1213/13rp01
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    7:53pm
    Nothing from a Government sponsored Website is FACTUAL. Just Spin to justify their mistakes. Those arriving by boat had carefully planned their "trip" here and are most certainly aware of all the "loopholes" available to them once they have reached our shores. Only the gullible would believe otherwise.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    8:17pm
    Macjam
    I think that is just extreme cynicism. The reports streth back over nearly three decades, governments of all flavours have been and gone in that time. Who do you believe, the blokes at the pub??
    niemakawa
    9th May 2013
    8:22pm
    Taskid, yes I do. They are an intelligent bunch and know all about scams.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    8:31pm
    Macjam Ah yes, the baroom "experts on everything." Figures.
    Irishwolfhound
    10th May 2013
    12:44am
    Tell me Taskid- why is it that all these boats have the phone number of the Australian border protection boats?? They just ring us up and say "here we are you come and pick us up now" If they come here with no papers no one can say correctly who or what they are. Without screening we are allowing the "soft underbelly of democracy" to become vulnerable.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    7:17am
    IrishW I can only hazard a guess. The people smugglers are running a tawdry little "business" and like any "business" they equip themselves with the means by which to achieve their goal. It would be bad for their sad trade if every boat sank, no one would use them. However, that is not something that can be laid at the feet of those useing this nasty trade. As the Parliamentary reports I quoted show, these people in the main are at the mercy of the smugglers. One can only hope eventually they will run out of boats.
    Twyla
    9th May 2013
    7:24pm
    Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor has announced that asylum seeker families will be released into the community whilst being processed to ease the financial pressure on the government. Keeping people in detention facilities for long periods of time was more expensive than release into the community.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/asylum-seeker-families-eligible-for-release-on-bridging-visas-20130507-2j4sc.html#ixzz2SmgblU2D

    Well that is a no brainer! The general electorate could have told them that.

    The nuts 'n' bolts has not been explained. One waits with bated breath. Yet another shambles can be predicted. Both sides of government are useless as ...
    Twyla
    9th May 2013
    7:33pm
    Taskid,
    And the government's solution is ...?
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    7:42pm
    Twila
    I don't think any government has the answer. This is worldwide problem and it is not going to go away in the short time. Millions of people are being displaced on our planet and in comparison to the numbers in other countries we get a dribble. Much noise is made and the situation has been made very divisive because of poor political rhetoric. The best that can be done in Australia is to have a bi-partisan approach, but sadly that does not look likely as long as it can be used one against for only political gain.
    Twyla
    9th May 2013
    7:51pm
    Taskid,
    I imagine this report goes on for many, many pages.

    They had identified the problem, and having done so, they should be formulating a solution. Instead (as usual with governments) "more research is needed." How long has it been now?
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    8:15pm
    Twila Well the first one I read went back to 1976 - so this problem has been around for a long time, through Liberal and Labor government.
    Twyla
    9th May 2013
    8:33pm
    Taskid,

    1976?!! 37 years??!! And no nearer to the solution?! As the problem has been identified ... I call this rank incompetence.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    8:36pm
    Well - the problem is man's inhumanity to man. So until that stops the vulnerable will have to run from the tyrant.
    catsahoy
    9th May 2013
    8:35pm
    i feel it is useless to add anything further to this debate, as it seems taskid spouts religion at us regardless of the subject, i find that true belivers keep there opinions to themselves, i do not talk of religion at all as i think it is a personal subject and no one elses buisness what my beliefs are, i try to be decent and honerable and kind to my fellow humans, i can do no more,
    Beemee
    11th May 2013
    1:19pm
    You my friend are doing right. I am a Christian as well, as we will all be judged by our decisions in life. Those who chose Jesus will not have to be questioned at the final judgement day, but those who don't are NOT lost forever, if they do the works (helping others. kindness toward fellow man, helping in time of need whether financial, or just giving of your own time), you will be judged by those and many will get to heaven by their works, simply because they did the works of Jesus without accepting him. No debate, it is written, if you are unaware it, read the Word (Bible) and you will see it is true.
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    8:45pm
    catsahoy.'
    I don't mind what you do with your "religion" my friend. I don't have religion, just a relationship with Jesus. Huge difference. Now Jesus never ever told His followers to go into all the world and remain silent about Him. I don't think you realise the difference between religion and following Him.

    I have put up plenty of posts without mentioning my walk with Jesus, but some in here just love to pick on Christians so I reply to their often inaccurate statements.

    It is nice that you are decent, honorable etc. I am just a sinner who has asked for and received God's forgiveness. That is all. No one is perfect, not even you, but He is and we live and die by His standards, whether we accept them or not, not ours.
    catsahoy
    9th May 2013
    9:34pm
    i have no trouble with people having religion, or beliefs as you want to put it, i just feel you put this into every blog you write, i am glad you have your relationship with jesus, i just get a bit tired of hearing it on every subject we discuss, i am far from perfect, and have never said otherwise, i just try to be a decent human being, . i can do that without having to put jesus into every sentance i write, . you see ,even in your reply to me you are talking about your love of jesus . i like to just listen to what others have to say on subjects i care about and sometimes air my own views, but i do not need to hear jesus spouted to me every time i do, end of discussion please taskid, pretty please,
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    9:44pm
    Catsahoy
    I think if you do a search back you will find most of my responses have been after another has brought up, usually in a derogatory way, Christianity, God, Bible or Jesus. I respond with my viewpoint, that I think is discussion.

    I find it tedious that so many in here get bogged down on politics. As I have lost interest in Australian politics I find a lot of it boring, however, where I feel I would like to contribute I do.

    If you could get your friends in the atheist/secularist religions to stop putting up their anti-Christian comments, then there would be far fewer responses from me. Hope that helps.
    catsahoy
    9th May 2013
    10:10pm
    taskid, like religion i dont discuss politics either.you are right ,polotics finds its way into everything,like you i am bored with it, and after hearing tonights news ,that the pollies have given themselves another rise i am disgusted with them. of to bed to have a good read, night night, dont let the bed bugs bite,lol
    Taskid
    9th May 2013
    10:12pm
    catsahoy. Oh I didn't hear the news, have they really done that??? Federally or in your state??? Have a good night's rest I am off to do the same. :0)
    wally
    9th May 2013
    10:35pm
    Man's inhumanity to man includes the people responsible for brutality, enslavement and mass murder in certain African and Asian countries, We have the flood of people fleeing their homes to seek refuge overseas. Instead of squabbling over what to do about people washing up on our shores, perhaps the discussion should be about solving the problem which cases the exodus from these hell holes in the first place. After all, it is persons of ill will that cause the problems through hatred and greed and we in western lands reap the result of these injustices in the form of refugees.To quote the fable, we all know that the cat needs to have a bell to wear to warn the mice of the cat's menacing presence. The question is how do the mice put the bell on the cat, and who is going to do it? We face the same problems of who and how to solve the root cause of the problems we,and the refugees, face. Until this problem is solved, we have an on going problem.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    7:19am
    Wally There is a solution and it will occur. No one want to know though.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    12:56am
    wally,
    I'm sure everyone would agree with you. However, I don't think a solution will be found, other than what they themselves eventually do. We can't do it for them. Solutions must come from within.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    10:12am
    Taskid,
    Do you ever consider that you could be overseas converting people? None are going to find Jesus on their own and you sound eminently suitable to lead them to him. If this is your calling it behoves you to do so.
    clay
    10th May 2013
    11:55am
    Now Twila that is an excelent idea for our resident preacher ........at the moment it seems to be preaching to the converted ......let it go where others have gone and do good works .......
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    12:58pm
    Twila
    Thanks for your post. No I do not need to go overseas. The reality is those in developing countries where missionaries used to go are not going to the Westernised countries because the Western countries are spiritually bereft and lost. I live among the lost just where I am.

    Clay "Preaching to the converted" - are you serious?? 'Good works' without obedience to Him makes no difference to God. No one can 'work' their way to God or His redemption. He alone gives it when we repent, believe and receive.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    1:00pm
    Twila Sorry I meant those from developing contries used to go ARE going to Western Countries. There was a chap from the Congo at my church the other week and he could tell the Western believers a thing or two about following Jesus.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    12:05pm
    Taskid, you did say:

    "Jesus never ever told His followers to go into all the world and remain silent about Him."

    ... and to Wally, "There is a solution and it will occur. No one want to know though." I presume you meant their conversion to Jesus.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    1:13pm
    Twila Thanks again. The poster I responded to with the first one, cannot remember who, inferred I should not mention Jesus, that person claimed to be a Christian. If that person was they would know Jesus great Commission is:

    Matthew 28:18-20
    Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (NIV)

    On the comment to Wally - Yes Jesus is the answer to every problem the world has. In Pagan, Communist, Muslim countries people are turning to Him - here we are too comfortable, too complacent and too full of our own importance to think we need Him. Our human pride is our prison from the freedom Jesus died to bring.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    1:04pm
    Taskid,

    Your argument seems even more of an imperative for you to go overseas and lead them to Jesus. It was never going to be easy. Jesus said to leave all worldly possessions and concerns, even family and follow him.

    Tasmania must be in a pretty bad way. You have stated that Australia is a Christian country. Are you making much headway?
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    1:21pm
    I corrected the error in my post Twila - I meant that people in developing countries are sending missionaries here now because we are a country of lost souls.

    I stated Australia in Constitution and Law are and our founding leaders/explorersin the main were Christian. I think it is pretty obvious just reading posts in here that is no longer the case as far as the way people regard the Christian God.

    Yes the Lord did call his followers to leave all and follow Him, my walk for Him has cost me dearly, but I do not count the cost, I know where I am heading and Who walks with me. Perhaps that is why Australians are so weak in their beliefs, they will not give up anything, it is all about "what I want." Doesn't that strike you as sad??
    wally
    10th May 2013
    1:06pm
    No, I am not thinking of converting anybody to anything. Our microcosm of posts in this forum prove that. I, for one have not changed my view of the world, and I doubt if any other reader/contributor has done so either. As far as solving the world's problems is concerned, I am afraid that the problem is too politically hot to handle, or too expensive. America tried it in Viet Nam and gave the enterprise up as a lost cause. Both Russia and America, for their own separate motives, tried to export their view of the world to Afghanistan with similar failure. The United Nations? About the only thing the UN is united on is the continuance of the gravy train and ego tripping the delegates enjoy. So overpopulation, famine,racial/tribal/ religious/political persecution and inequality in the Third World will continue be with us. People will still be dispossessed, seek asylum and refuge and the world's well known Hell Holes will remain the same for the foreseeable future. I am not optimistic nor do I believe that Jesus will ring down the curtain on humanity on Judgement Day. Or any other day like next Monday, either.So, sorry Taskid and Twila, but that's my view of things. The question I ask is why are Hell Holes in this world self perpetuating?
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    1:23pm
    Wally The hell holes remain there because man continues to do things his way instead of the way Jesus came to teach us. Man since the fall has suffered from his sin of pride and rebellion against his Maker. He never learns.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    1:13pm
    wally,

    I meant Taskid's response to your comment.

    Malthus might see the world's problems due to overcrowding - overpopulation. He would say that wars and famine are nature's means to redress the balance.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    1:15pm
    Taskid,
    Someone must have converted your companion from the Congo. Possibly there are many other potential converts there.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    1:29pm
    Twila You do not know Jesus do you??? Not really, because if you did you would know whilst He uses missionaries He can come to anyone, anytime and He does. Especially in those nations where people have no access to His Word. He is not dependent on man, it is the other way around.

    Let me ask you something. Why do you suppose the New Atheists with their high priests of Dawkins and the late Hitchings do their prosletying in Australia, US, etc??? Because they know that these countries are so spiritually bereft they are ripe for the sad religion of atheism. So they work the Western nations well, as does Islam. Both recognise how ripe the harvest is for their false messages.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    1:48pm
    Taskid,
    Jesus does not seem to appear to those who have never head of him. Have you evidence of this? How do they know it is Jesus? How do they know they are not having a psychotic event? I feel you are justifying why you don't go overseas ...

    I had a well informed background in learning about Jesus. Having said that, I do not believe he is god. He never said it. Paul's gospels - and biblical history - indicate that it was he who ran up the "god" flag.

    I think Jesus was a teacher/rabbi and had important things to say.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    2:18pm
    Twila
    You might have leared about Jesus, but you do not know Him. If you did you would not be asking such stupid questions. You might think it is funny, people with little lives enjoy trying to irritate others, becomes a bit of a hobby. Sad but true. You are to be pitied. I notice you did not answer my question, mockers seldom can answer the important questions of life, they just like to throw their silly little stones and think they are clever. About as clever as a mosquito on the backside of an elephant. Enjoy your day, go annoy someone else.
    Beemee
    11th May 2013
    1:35pm
    John 14: 2 - 3: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
    MMm so where did he get these properties from? Joseph the earthly father was dead. And Joseph was a poor carpenter. Oh forgot, Joseph named "JoJo the hood", robbed the banks to get all this capital.
    Studying the Bible will give you facts about time frames and people and events, reading it with the heart will give you something much more.
    I state now Twila, if you ever became a Christian you would be a force to be reckoned with, with all the knowledge you have plus the added bonus of reading with the heart, you would rock the socks off a lot of people.
    Learn Hebrew and Greek, then you will grasp way beyond just black writing on a white page.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    5:38pm
    Taskid,
    I have no animosity whatsoever to any faith, belief, religion ... (what you will) ... that brings the believer a sense of completeness or meaning, that does not teach nor lead to hatred and does not damage the believer; nor cause the believer to condemn nor judge others - especially those who do not believe as they do.

    For those who have such a relationship with their "god", I applaud them. Others find a different way.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    6:26pm
    twila Yes many look down a lot of alleys, I did to an extent, but they all led nowhere, that is why Jesus said "I am the Way." He also predicted that many would miss that narrow gate which is sad. No exit signs where the others lead. I wish you well.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    5:41pm
    What question was that, Taskid?

    I was unaware that I was annoying you. How so?
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    6:32pm
    Twila No annoyance this end my friend, it is just that people question me and I am happy to answer as I know I tell the truth, but when I ask unbelievers a question they go strangely silent. Here is the question again. :0)

    "Let me ask you something. Why do you suppose the New Atheists with their high priests of Dawkins and the late Hitchings do their prosletying in Australia, US, etc???

    Because they know that these countries are so spiritually bereft they are ripe for the sad religion of atheism/Islam. So they work the Western nations well, as does Islam. Both recognise how ripe the harvest is for their false messages."

    I realise I put my answer in, but I would be interested to hear your take on why. :0)
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    5:58pm
    OK 261 comments and nobody is a winner, I would suggest you all have a look here to bring you back to earth. It is better than reading the Bible... Who said I am changing the subject??? http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm?utm_expid=1298512-15&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flixxy.com%2Fnew.htm%3Fc%3D41015#.UYyn1FKQ85s
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    6:03pm
    Young Simmo,
    Absolutely correct. The example of Taskid and myself demonstrates how conflict develops.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    6:35pm
    Twila Conflict???? Must be your end - no conflict here. I just put before you the truth, what you do with it is your choice, and your future. :0)
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    6:15pm
    Young Simmo,
    Thank you so much for sharing that site with us. What can one say ...!
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    6:25pm
    Yes Twila I found it almost Hypnotic. She might have some marks on the sticks, otherwise I can not see any trickery.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    6:27pm
    Young Simmo,
    Even is she did have some marks on the sticks, it would not take away her superb mastery ...
    Thank you, again.
    Twyla
    10th May 2013
    6:39pm
    Taskid,
    Dawkins and Hitchens did not single Australia out. Their beliefs are their own and those who are interested in them, seek their writings and works.

    Apart from the fact we are well and truly off topic, there is no value to us discussing issues. If others have followed us, I'm sure they are catatonic with boredom.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    6:54pm
    Twila I did not take us off topic. I put up a page for people who wish to discuss Jesus.

    Dawkins and Hitchings (late) have been to Australia many times, been on tv, radio ad infinitum ad nauseum, pushing their books and their religion of atheism. They prosletyse. Ever looked up some of the New Atheist sites? They tell their followers how to get conversions to their religion. Trouble is so many Aussies are indifferent to how they are being manipulated.
    catsahoy
    10th May 2013
    8:13pm
    twilla, how right you are, bored is not the word,
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    8:18pm
    catsahoy

    Well I suppose some are not interested in the really big questions and issues. Easier to remain in the mundane. To each his own.
    catsahoy
    10th May 2013
    9:43pm
    taskid, the issue here is about refugees or illegals or whatever you would call them,i WAS interested in others views on this subject, i WAS NOT interested in your tirade on jesus and his teachings. you are entitled to your views and beliefs, just dont try to convert the unconvertable,
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    9:54pm
    Well you are not the only one in here so you just have to understand not everyone has your view on life. I cannot convert anyone, I just speak the truth. What people do with it is their choice, their problem.
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    10:31pm
    Taskid, you say you speak the truth, since when is FANTASY the truth, you sound like a bit of a dreamer to me. Anybody else agree?
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    10:37pm
    young simmo You only kid yourself with your mocking. You do not touch me, you do not touch Him. Only yourself. Take the peverse pleasure if you need to, but it harms no one else.
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    10:47pm
    WOW, I have been a beach fisherman for at least 60 years, and never have I been able to get as many bites, as I get out of good old Taskid. Trouble is I am not sure which bait is working best, The Old Testament or the Internet Testament.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    10:52pm
    Young Simmo
    You may have reeled in the fish, my friend, in the past, but you are the one being reeled in this time and you have not idea it is happening. Oh well......sad.
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    10:57pm
    Taskid it is almost 9pm here in WA so it must be near 11pm over there in Looserland, go to bed and get your strength up, for tomorrows round.
    Taskid
    10th May 2013
    11:03pm
    Young Simmo Yes I am off to my rest, no rest for the wicked though eh? :0) Have a good weekend.
    Young Simmo
    10th May 2013
    11:09pm
    Yes Taskid, I will go and make camp and consider we are about 50/50 at the moment, nigh, nigh.
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    11:44am
    I know we are bound by the UN to take refugees, we are a lucky country and have to do the right thing, but I think the west needs to rip up the old agreement and make a new one. All countries with a decent standard of living are being inundated and overrun with people coming from everywhere and those countries will eventually lose their own culture. Look what's happening in England, fast forward a hundred years and there won't be an English man or woman left. We are all whinging about it but the UN won't yield. But what can we do?
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    12:07pm
    We lobby our Politicians, you know the ones that are always after our vote, but once received they go off on a tangent and only listen to minority groups. Australia can still be a member of the UN but can withdraw as a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention or some of the protocols governing our "obligation" to accept all and sundry. Is there a Political Party willing to take up this challenge and start taking notice of the MAJORITY OF VOTERS. At the moment they are ignoring us and are "kowtowing" to the UN. I want our Sovereign rights reinstated so THE PEOPLE decide on this issue. After all we are a Democracy! Are we not?
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    12:23pm
    I don't think the major parties will touch this subject with a barge pole Macjam, both Libs and Labor staunchly support the UN's Refugee Convention and minority parties don't have a hope in hell of taking power and calling the shots.

    I was at the Sydney fish markets last weekend and it was spot the Aussie. Fast forward 100 years and I suspect we'll be mainly an Asian nation through marriage.. Old Murdoch picked a smart Asian woman for a wife and as our grandchildren grow up, it's likely that they too will chose an Asian partner and the result will be a predominantly Asian Australia. In 100 years America could become a mix of whites and Mexicans.
    Myall25
    11th May 2013
    12:43pm
    No Mac, we're not living in a democracy. Filthy Christians and their supporters control both major parties, most big business, police, public service and anything else they can get their grubby hands on. Why do you think Fascist policies such as the anti smoking, drinking and gambling lobbies have been able to get introduced have been able to happen?
    As long as we keep falling for the major party propaganda and keep them in power, there is no real democracy in Australia and any other western "democracy."
    Why do you think I'm trying to get Katter to run on banning Islam and shutting Australia's borders tighter than a drum? Those are the only policies which will stir Australians out of their political aperthy and vote the major parties out of exitance. That way, we might end up living in a democracy!
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    12:54pm
    Myall25, my sentiments exactly.
    Myall25
    11th May 2013
    1:11pm
    Dear Toot, don't you realize that if Australians don't do something soon, (it well might already be too late), that 100 years from now cockaroachs will rule the world and nothing alive will even remember humans. We'll be more extinct than the Dionasure. We won't even leave birds behind.
    The only chance humans have for survival is if Australia becomes "lifeboat Australia." That means allowing only the number of humans Australia can sustainably support aboard.
    As religion is the cause of most of the planets woes, I strongly support a "no religions" future. But I'm pushing 70. I'll be dead soon. It's your choice. The choice is simple, live or die!
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    11:51am
    Myall25 good luck with Katter he only agrees with himself and laughs at his own jokes i live not far from his main office this man is the pitts i hope he gets turfed out
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    1:00pm
    Me too. But Australia wants very much to be involved in the UN, it has enormous power but can be overruled. I only found out through the magic of Google that the UN was formed by the winners of WW2 – China, France, Russia, UK and the USA to stop future wars. Note that they didn’t have much luck with Bush who charged into Iraq in retaliation to 9/11 and dragged the rest of the world with him. There are also 10 non permanent members with five elected each year to serve two year terms. I think Tony got his nose out of joint when Labor managed to get us a seat, I bet he wishes he could have pulled it off.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    2:28pm
    Toot2000. The main goal of the UN is a "World" Government, where it will make all the decisions about the mobility of people and where they will "reside". National budgets will have to be scrutinised and approved by the UN before implementation. The incumbent Australian Government in this new regime will have little power and will be there merely to keep the "flock" in control. What I am saying is not new but well documented by the UN.
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    1:46pm
    The only person I can think of who had the audacity to say she wanted to stop immigration is Pauline Hanson and all political parties ran for the hills, what seemed logical to us was xenophobic to them and they made her pay, big time. This tell me that we are stuck with immigration because the UN says we must and there's nothing we can do about it.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    2:03pm
    There is plenty "we" can do. Hold our Politicians to account, stop listening to their rabid "spins" on what they are doing for "us". The immigration policy is the most important and confronting issue of our day, far greater than education, health or welfare that the Politicians are always spouting (sugar coating). China does not care about anything the UN or USA have to say, but they are well on the way to becoming the dominant force in World politics and economies. There apparent abysmal record on "Human rights" does not seem to have affected their strident push towards achieving its Nations goals. Australia needs to be more Nationalistic its approach and stop trying to "save" the World.
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    2:15pm
    I just had a thought. If the UN wants all western countries to continue bringing in different races, could there be a plan we don't know about?. What if there is a "plan" to eventually create a huge world melting pot, (now happening in the UK) until the original country's culture is completely lost over time and we become just one world? Too far out? Probably. I tried writing a protest letter once to a politician and quickly realized it was a futile.
    Myall25
    11th May 2013
    2:35pm
    VOTE THEM OUT! That's the best.
    And Pauline, although pretty dumb, won 12 seats in Qld first go. Abbott had to invent a crime and have his Qld labour mates run a fascial trial and jail Pauline. If jail hadn't made her loose her ticker, she could have been Prime Minister by now!

    That's the lesson of Pauline Hanson. The major parties had to resort to openly criminal acts, stand over tactics and collusion to defeat a fool! That's what a fool can do to them, someone with half a brain should be able to destroy them utterly!

    And she never said she wanted to stop immigration. She wanted to stop "Asianisation". And I never herd her make a rascist remark but she was vilified as one! Because that's what Christians always do. It's why I'm bothering to talk to TAS. Show everyone with any intellegance the type of lunatic currently rhuleing their lives!
    WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    2:53pm
    Myall25. Racist/racism : words invented by the "Western" Governments in an attempt to appease the Non-Whites who perceived that they were hard done by during the Colonial days. These terms are now used for any utterance concerning other "races". Hog wash. I don't like all white people either and I am certainly not going to hold back saying something about other races, then have it thrown in my face, as being a racist. You are probably conversant with the phrase "Reverse racism". This implies that only Whites are racist, so how racist is that?
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    6:27pm
    My gosh there is some hate talk in here. Who do you people respect??? Only yourselves??? Seems like it.

    Now all of a sudden Christians are the ogre. What a load of absolute garbage. Trouble is so may in here are so ill-informed they have not a clue what they speak of.

    I don't know who all these "filthy Christians" are that one poster speaks of - a figment of the posters sick mind I think. It would be comical only hate can never be something a civilized nation should condone or encourage.

    Myall mentioned Pauline and Hanson and "Christian" in the same post - showing the ignorance of that poster. Hanson would most likely be one of yours, atheist/secularist, she is certainly not a Christian. In the following statement she shows she does not even know the difference between Christians and Muslims -


    ""There are Christian Muslims - there is no problems about that," she told ABC radio yesterday.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/christian-muslims-welcome-says-hanson/story-e6frfkp9-1111113251407#ixzz2SyDRid5t


    If you are going to make fools of yourselves publicly for goodness sake try to be well-informed fools.
    Myall25
    12th May 2013
    12:36pm
    On ya, tas keep up the good work. I've never had a religious nutter prove my points as well as you. Don't go away whatever you do! You're showing everyone what real religious lunatics are all about. If enough dinkum Ozzies see your ranting they'll realize that voting religious nutters into power is suicide. You could be a real help in detroying the Labour and Liberal parties once and for all! As well as getting Muslims and their woman bashing religion kicked out of Australia! Yeee Haaa!
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    6:49pm
    This reveals the new religion which is preached in here.

    "New atheists adopt the zealot's garb

    Rita Panahi
    From: Herald Sun
    December 17, 2012 12:00AM


    THOSE on the lunatic fringe who live in fear of a Muslim invasion have a new threat to keep them up at night - and this one is real.

    There's a new "religion" on the rise whose band of non-believers is becomingly increasingly bold, some would say militant, in not only pushing its own belief system but actively trying to shut down dissenting views."

    This is a religion which is bad for our nation.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    7:25pm
    Some may think that you are on the lunatic fringe. Believe in your "god" so whom he be, but do not chastise others for theirs.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    7:35pm
    Macjam "Some" can think what they like, I am not interested in what they think about me. There is only One I have to please, and I am ok with Him.

    Your "godlessness" has seen the slaughter of 148 million people since from 1917 to 2007 by Godless regimes - so not a lot to be proud of I would think. Your choice, I choose Jesus, He never preached hate or violence. Only love of one another.
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    7:35pm
    OMG, she's hijacked and destroyed another interesting topic.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    7:40pm
    Toot Don't tell lies, I have not hijacked anything.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    7:50pm
    Yes, "she" is still here, obviously "God" loves her more than the other 148 million. What a hypocrite." Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, is it true what they say you are?" Taskid get of your high horse and try to accept what is happening around you. Hate is a natural emotion that has existed since mankind, and it will never end.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    7:55pm
    Macjam
    Hate will end and those who practice is will pay the price. God loved the 148million - it was atheist humans who killed them not Him.

    You are the one on the high horse and riding for a fall.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:10pm
    Taskid you are delusional in your thoughts. The topic in question has nothing to do with "God", so please keep your "religious" beliefs to yourself. Love it or hate it, the illegals are not wanted here.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:22pm
    Macjam You are as ignorant about God as you are about psychotic symptoms, best not to comment on things you are not familiar with.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:25pm
    So it seems you are "pyscotic" what a surprise.
    toot2000
    11th May 2013
    8:07pm
    Oh Taskid, if this forum did a survey of how many posts every member has submitted, you'd win hands down - you saturate the site with your religion fervour. Did your mother ever use the phrase 'He/she has got the hide of an elephant?' Sadly, I hate to tell you Taskid this is you, so please give it up. There wouldn't be a country in the world who hates being told what to do, or what to think, than Australia. Maybe you would have more luck in America.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:15pm
    toot2000 I don't believe in luck, that is for pagans. :0)
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:20pm
    Taskid you are a fraud, because you say "Jesus" loves us all, so if that is true "he" is open to differences of opinion and recognises that, unlike you.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:31pm
    Macjam Jesus died for all, His love it there for all, but it is on His terms not man's. You were made in God's image, not He in yours.

    It is useless you trying to use your insults against me, water of a duck's back.
    Myall25
    12th May 2013
    12:19pm
    I'm not that keen on Yanks, but sendin tas there is a bit harsh on the poor buggars.
    I reckon Iran is the place for him. See how long he lasts convertin Muslims. But then, he'd probably join up!
    Young Simmo
    12th May 2013
    12:32pm
    Myall25, Taskid isn't a bloke, he is a sheila, blokes don't write rubbish like she does. I just noticed in the previous comment she is now claiming to be a duck, strange.
    Myall25
    12th May 2013
    12:57pm
    Oh well, definetly Iran for her. And don't believe blokes don't write rubbish like her. Religious nutters rant on like that, male or female and every religion. Women seem to have thicker skins though. They are born with a deformed gene, which causes the insanity. They can't help themselves. Google, god gene, find the origional post by genetisists. (lot of misinformation added since the discovery first made) I've always thought they have to be mad. Great to know I was right.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    6:07pm
    Myall, Young Simmo, Macjam "The fool says in his heart 'there is no God." God thinks you are fools and I would not be one to disagree. Talk about childish nonsense, are you really seniors?? Scary to think you still behave and talk like pre-pubescent schoolboys. Even scarier to think you maybe someone's father. No wonder our world is a mess.
    catsahoy
    11th May 2013
    8:11pm
    dear god,' 24 hours have passed and i come back on here to the exact same rhetoric i left to get away from, taskid, please take your jesus ramblings and spout them elsewhere, cant you see we have all had enough, the facts remain, we have too many immagrants, refugees, asylum seekers ,call them what you like. we dont want or need any more coming here reaping the benifits of what true australians have worked hard for, a decent country and decent living conditions, which are slowly being erroded by people who will not assimilate and only want to be with their ilk and do nothing to earn it, . it has now got to the stage where it is EXPECTED that they get these luxuries, we have had to fight hard over the years to get to the working and living standards we have today,our way of life is slowly being eroded and it is US that have to assimilate with THEM, not for me, thank you. as for pauline hanson, she was right on the knocker with her polocies, wish a few more like her would stand up,
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:19pm
    My comment was to correct a ridiculous statement one of the anti-Christians had put up to say Hanson is a Christian.

    Yes this same racist rhetoric is tiresome isn't it. Hate begets hate, always and forever. It can do no other.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:23pm
    Taskid stop this folly of yours and bring some real attributes to these forums. Go and preach elsewhere, please.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:26pm
    Macjam If you wish to restrict anyone's freedom of speech you would be better suited to live in North Korea or in a country with a atheist regime. Here in Australia people still have the right to an opinion. If you do not like my posts, don't read them. Simple as that.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:33pm
    Taskid, I will be interested in your opinions only if they relate to the topic at hand. Every time you bring you "Jesus/God" into the forum ranting and raving. You are portraying your "god" as if he is a politician. Please do not reply to this post, try and contain yourself.
    Myall25
    12th May 2013
    1:13pm
    Dear Cats,
    Being one of the people who have spent their life standing up, I'll let you into a secret. You scum haven't got the ticker to support us! You liked Pauline, I thought she was dumb, but I was the only person writing letters to the editor in support of her right to say what she said. Among other things. Where were the riots and demo's when the major parties openly did illegal things to destroy her?
    Youse were all too busy letting Christian scum dictate to you. The reason that these filth are still in control is that there aren't many like Ned Kelly in Australia anymore! There's been plenty standing up, but you scum have been looking the other way pretending you don't see! That's the facts!
    Young Simmo
    12th May 2013
    1:50pm
    Myall25, I feel compelled to point out a couple of things. Assuming that Dear Cats is referring to Catsahoy, and you calling her scum twice in the same comment takes a lot of courage from the safety of a keyboard. Secondly I happen to know Catsahoy, and she is a lovely lady and if you are half a Man or Lady now is a good time for you to apologise.
    Myall25
    15th May 2013
    1:17pm
    Simmo,
    The "you" is generic. I don't know if any of the people who are posting are activists or stiffs, (it'a a fair bet tas and her mates are stiffs), but every one of you know what you, personally, are. If you vote for the major parties, you're stiff, scum, filth, or any other put down name you can think of, if you don't there's hope for you.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    1:33pm
    Myall25
    What a sad little creature you are. You absolute rubbish. "Out of the mouth comes what is in the heart of a man" - you need a clean out.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    1:44pm
    Taskid: 'You absolute rubbish' = absolute hypocrite yet again and again and again. You certainly dont practice what you so vehemently preach. "Out of the mouth comes what is in the heart of a woman".
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    1:49pm
    Aquatrek To have those things said to me by you is wonderful - if you were saying anything positive about me I would be really worried - boy I would know I was on the wrong road. You preach only what is in your heart - negativity plus, plus, plus. I guess that comes from your religion of atheism.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:35pm
    Macjam It was the addled ravings of the atheists in here making silly comments such as Pauline Hanson being a Christian which raised the topic, not me.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:41pm
    Obviously you did not read my last post so I will repeat it; PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST, TRY AND CONTAIN YOURSELF.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:43pm
    Macjam
    Stop shouting and stop trying to bully me in here.
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    8:48pm
    I rest my case.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    5:59pm
    Macjam "Plop"
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    6:55pm
    Taskid, you are the resurrection! Plop
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:05pm
    Macjam "plop, plop, plop."
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:08pm
    Taskid, you really need to improve your vocabulary!
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:15pm
    Macjam No problems with my vocabulary, I just have to modify it to suit the calibre of the person to whom I am addressing it (you in this case) in order not to overtax your intellectual capacity.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:23pm
    Taskid, coming back to the original topic, I am over taxed because the Government is wasting all our money on the wealthy boat people arriving daily on our shores. Apart from that my thoughts are clear and rational, of which yours leave a lot to be desired.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:31pm
    Macjam Why "wasting" - how can offering refuge to a fellow human without a home or country be a "waste"??? It it seems to me to be the act of a civilized and humane society. It is "loving our neighbour" surely, familiar concept to me, but I don't know what atheists/secularists/agnostics/humanists whatever feel about their fellow travellers on planet earth who are in need.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:40pm
    Taskid, They have a home and Country, but come here not for refuge, as you believe, but to extract every dollar they possibly can from the Australian taxpayer, to meet their own ends. That being to ensure that Islam, not a religion, but a ideology, is the political force in Australia. It seems that your photo image here is wearing blinkers.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:52pm
    Macjam

    Macjam I think that is dangerously simplistic thinking about a growingly complex world situation. Islam is a religio/political/legal world view - but not all refugees are Muslims. I think it is cynical in the to believe that all people who are conned by people smugglers, who exploit their situation, get on leaky fishing boats to make an extremely dangerous voyage over hundreds of kms with the likelihood of drowning at sea are only interested in money. I think you have bought a measure of some political attempts to whip up xenophobia. Those pollies whipping it up are certainly interested in money and power too.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    1:56pm
    Taskid: for just once try dealing with FACTS and then you might actually contribute something to the forum
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    2:22pm
    aquatrek You - fact - hehehe - what a joke.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    2:22pm
    aquatrek You - fact - hehehe - what a joke.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    2:28pm
    A PICTURE JUST FOR YOU TASKID - IT TELLS A THOUSAND WORDS

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif

    and you may ponder how come so many rich refugees, mostly young Islamic men, have managed to be tricked into such a dangerous voyage and have just 'jumped' the UN queues. There is only one answer and that is to STOP THE BOATS.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    2:36pm
    aquatrek You have all the answers to the world's ills (you think) - it is one thing to bleat "stop the boats" - tell us how you propose that be done. Comeon give us a realistic solution.
    Anonymous
    15th May 2013
    2:58pm
    The Indonesian police could stop them tomorrow they are obviously being paid to ignore we should pay them to enforce.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    4:29pm
    Taskid: the answer is so simple - send you there [Indonesia & Malaysia] - several days/weeks of your incessant ranting will drive them all insane/mad when they realize what christianity will do to them and they will hire boat smugglers to take themselves back to whence they came asap.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    4:34pm
    As I thought, typical irrational rant from the atheist - your religion offers you so little and it suits you because you have little thoughts, from a diminuative mind.
    catsahoy
    11th May 2013
    8:51pm
    taskid, accept defeat gracefully and go away,
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:54pm
    Macjam Defeat????? From a mosquito on an elephant's hindquarters. Oh boy you are the one kidding yourself. Sad, very sad.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    8:55pm
    Catsahoy "plop"
    niemakawa
    11th May 2013
    9:20pm
    Thank you, Catsahoy
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    9:26pm
    Macjam "plop"
    catsahoy
    11th May 2013
    10:49pm
    well all i can say is THANK JESUS shes gone,
    catsahoy
    11th May 2013
    10:50pm
    i think,lol
    Young Simmo
    11th May 2013
    11:22pm
    catsahoy, I am not sure why the bible basher is getting so much attention when you consider everything she sprooks is supposed to be quoted 2000 years ago. We still need a Jet Ski to walk on water, and a grape vine to make wine. AAaarrrr, maybe the Tas in Taskid indicates she is Tasmanian,,,,,, problem solved. I believe Tasmania will have a team in the AFL in the year 2099, Hic.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    11:45pm
    To my poor off topic detractors. I thought to give you a relief from having to think too deeply. Don't want you suffering brain-strain you know. :0) I understand and sympathise - too much thought on a Saturday evening may prevent you from sleeping well. :0)
    Young Simmo
    11th May 2013
    11:53pm
    Taskid, you finally agree with me, you have made my day. The Wonderful West Coast Eagles won, and the freo duckers with the help of the umpires won, so it has been a 50/ 50 day.
    Taskid
    11th May 2013
    11:56pm
    Young Simmo Ah poor dear man, your religion is football (I assume all those funny names and terminologies relate to that particular strange activity which has so many devout followers). You are still off topic.
    Young Simmo
    12th May 2013
    9:22am
    Off Topic aye, thanks for teaching me how to get off topic, I am sure a lot of commenters learnt from you as well.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    9:50am
    Young Simmo
    If all posters on here were honest with themselves they would admit they have all gone off topic at times. "no one is without sin, no not one." :0)

    12th May 2013
    2:19pm
    As far as I can make out we welcomed 195,000 permanent immigrants from all parts of the world in 2012 with the largest number being from China
    We also welcomed 20,000 refugees under the United Nations programme the highest number per head of population in the world.
    We also had 17,000 plus non authorized arrivals by boat.
    This group would have to pay for their air fares to Indonesia then finance their stay in Indonesia then pay people smugglers what 10,000 a head . How on earth can these people be genuine refugees

    12th May 2013
    2:22pm
    I also. Agree this was a very biased view to be posted by the publication and would seem out of sync with the majority of its readers who are older and wiser.
    catsahoy
    12th May 2013
    7:23pm
    mayiil25, if you are refering to me when you mention ;cats, how dare you refer to me as ;scum'. all you have done by posting this blog is to show what an unrefined bigot you are, apart from this i will not even dignify your blog with a response, we got rid of the jesus basher, you can be eliminated just as quickly by no one replying to your blogs, ,thanks young simmo.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:34pm
    catsahoy Got rid of whom???
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:42pm
    Don't worry Taskid, you are still here
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:45pm
    MacJ You bet your booty I am. :0)
    Myall25
    13th May 2013
    9:55am
    Dear cats,
    I was replying to your post where u wished there were more people who "stand up." I was explaining that there were plenty who "stand up" but they were ignored by the stiffs, (general public you know if you are 1), who fall for the propaganda put out by the religious controled Major parties and continually vote them back into power. I'm a proper greenie digger, not a bigot like the lefty/vegetarian filth who use the environment to further their Fascist agenda.
    Is that clear enough for you?
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    10:00am
    Myall There is not one ounce of truth in what you say - you really have a problem. If you are going to make such outrageous claims put up credible evidence, not conspiracy theories, or detract them. "Greenie-digger" sounds a very wierd combination, is that your religion???
    Myall25
    13th May 2013
    10:09am
    Oh and just 1 other thing.
    I'll bet very few of the people on this list, if any, have mailed Bob Katter and told him they want Islam banned and immigration stopped, let alone got their friends and family to do the same.
    You'll all have some excuse or other, for not doing it. That's why nothing changes boys and girls.
    If he received millions of e-mails asking for those things, he couldn't ignore it! I won't let him for 1, but he is a politition and the chance to become PM should sway him. Not only that, both those policies are doable.
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    3:07pm
    Taskid alias ALIEN MEK: you demand facts/evidence from a fellow poster yet you only put up drivel that is not factual - you wouldnt know a fact if it bit you on your horses arse - ever the hypocrite arent you ? It must be an ingrained personal trait instilled at birth.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    3:18pm
    aquatrek
    1/4 "plop"
    Myall25
    13th May 2013
    4:15pm
    Tas,
    I've finished talkin to you. You've demonstrated to all and sundry that you're mad as a meataxe. But you have drawn my attention to an error in my post which may confuse people. I thank you for that. it should read, "a greenie, digger." I'm the greenie, cats is digger.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    7:36pm
    Myall "plop"

    12th May 2013
    7:50pm
    Are you people adults
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:53pm
    I am Pete, but Taskid is a Christian.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    7:55pm
    Macjam Comeon, come clean, you still have pimples, never shaved - just a lad.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    7:58pm
    Taskid you are so sweet
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:00pm
    Macjam Just a good judge of people. Don't feel rejected though, I love children.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    8:04pm
    Taskid, so did you jesus, apparently
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:06pm
    Macjam He still does.
    catsahoy
    12th May 2013
    8:06pm
    your all ready for the bloody loony bin as far as im concerned, pack of wankers,
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    8:08pm
    Already here , it's called Australia.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:11pm
    catsahoy Thank God we do not have to be governed by your perceptions of your fellow women/men. :0)
    catsahoy
    12th May 2013
    8:18pm
    not my fellow humans taskid, just people of your ilk,
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:23pm
    catsahoy You said "all" - if you are going to be selectively rude you need to be more specific. Why do those of the atheist religion have to be so rude. Is it a requirement of your religion - "thou shalt be rude to anyone who does not believe in our gos Nothingness".
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:24pm
    god Nothingness I mean.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    8:20pm
    Back to basics.


    Who do you believe?

    “ASYLUM seeker boat arrivals are given a "light touch" security assessment before being released into the community, opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison says.
    But his claim has been rejected by Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who says asylum seekers on bridging visas are given health and identity and security checks.
    Mr Morrison has called for a freeze on bridging visas after a Sri Lankan asylum seeker was charged last week with indecently assaulting a university student in Sydney.
    He's also suggested local residents should be notified when asylum seekers were living in their area and for new "behaviour protocols" for asylum seekers housed in the community.
    Labor says the coalition is running a fear campaign, but Opposition Leader Tony Abbott denies any vilification of asylum seekers.
    Mr Morrison said on Sunday his proposed measures were "reasonable, commonsense safeguards" to protect the community as well as asylum seekers.


    I believe Scott Morrison.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:28pm
    Well - if you must put your faith in pollies Macjam, (I sympathise) one is much the same as another. Neither has any real answers. The sad plight of people fleeing man's inhumanity to man across the planet is at record proportions and no man has the answer.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:28pm
    Well - if you must put your faith in pollies Macjam, (I sympathise) one is much the same as another. Neither has any real answers. The sad plight of people fleeing man's inhumanity to man across the planet is at record proportions and no man has the answer.
    niemakawa
    12th May 2013
    8:39pm
    Taskid, Humans, similar to all other animals, have an inbuilt mechanism, one of survival. So turning back the illegals is not a problem for me, as my own survival takes precedence. Perfectly natural. I will re-iterate for the final time on this subject, these Illegals also consider their own survival above all. They are no different, so we should not be giving them special treatment.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:46pm
    Macjam Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh you believe you are just an animal?? Ok that explains a lot about your attitudes. Although many animals show compassion for their own kind.
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    12:41pm
    the homo sapien animals that have been 'let loose' upon the planet through either circumstances not of their own making or even of their own violition are 0.2% of the worlds population [15.2 / 7,000.0] http://www.refintl.org/get-involved/helpful-facts-%2526-figures.
    Comments like " The sad plight of people fleeing man's inhumanity to man across the planet is at record proportions and no man has the answer." is a diatribe of unsubstantiated puerile scaremongering and just a straight out lie to suite a particular agenda that would otherwise founder. When comments are deliberately loaded with outrageous emotive claims then the discourse is reduced to a personalized rant worth absolutely nothing with regard to the topic.
    The source of the major numbers of 'displaced' persons are from Muslim countries [see the link provided]. Islam would appear to be going through a similar phase as did christianity since its inception through to now - splintering and a course of self destruction. IMHO that may well be the path of all religions - they appear, evolve, splinter and compete over time and in the long run come and go.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    1:22pm
    Double "plop" for aquatrek.
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    1:50pm
    I highly value the 'double plop' rating as I think it is much better than just a single 'plop'.
    ta alien mek
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    1:56pm
    aquatrel minus one "plop"
    toot2000
    12th May 2013
    8:24pm
    Labor finally agreed to take on Howard's policies to stop the boats but they are still coming. So what can he do that hasn't already been done?
    Anonymous
    12th May 2013
    8:51pm
    Well it's going to cost us a billion dollars to deal with the 17,000 non authorized arrivals this year. .
    Why not put the ASIS into Indonesia with a pile of money to give to the Indonesian
    Police for every smuggler they arrest .
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:59pm
    Pete It seems that the only way is to stop the people smuggleers, they are really the baddies in this situation. There cannot be that many of them. I wonder if the Indonesian Government really wants to catch them though?
    catsahoy
    12th May 2013
    8:33pm
    taskid, why do you assume im an aethist? you know nothing of my religious beliefs or otherwise, as i have never aired my religious leaning on this page, this is the end of my discussion with you, time to move on,
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    8:42pm
    Well you sound like the rest of the rude atheist/secularist/agnositc posters - so it is a reasonable assumption. I am glad you are going, it is tiresome to keep hearing the same old same old bigotry.
    Young Simmo
    12th May 2013
    9:34pm
    Taskid after reading all your diatribe I am convinced you do not have any friends and consequently come to these pages to try and find some sort of communication with other humans. It must be a lonely life you lead.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    9:46pm
    Young Simmo Oh how wrong you are, I am blessed with many, many friends here in my own state, interstate and overseas and I love them all. They are precious to me and they give me to understand I have a special place in their lives.
    toot2000
    12th May 2013
    9:50pm
    Why are they still coming when they know that resettlement can take years even if they are found to be refugees, they are denied family reunion visas and have no right to work in the community. But they are still queuing up to come.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    10:08pm
    toot2000 Could it be they are just desperate homeless, stateless human beings looking for refuge in a country they perceive, rightly or wrongly, as being one which is committed to giving refuge to refugees??
    wally
    12th May 2013
    10:39pm
    Come back Mussitate, all is forgiven. We need another dose of your incoherent, ill-re-searched commie atheistic nonsense to balance the chaotic drivel we have been getting in recent posts! LOL
    Young Simmo
    12th May 2013
    10:47pm
    A beautiful fairy appeared one day to an asylum seeker claimant outside the Centrelink Offices.
    'My good man,' the fairy said, 'I've been told by Julia Gillard to grant you three wishes, since you've just arrived in Australia with your wife and seven children -- ?a?ll costs to be borne by Australian Tax Payers.'
    ?'Well, in Sri Lanka where I come from we don't have good teeth, so I want new teeth, maybe a lot of gold in them.'The man told the fairy: ?

    The fairy looked at the man's almost toothless grin and PING !!!
    The Asylum Seeker had a brand new shining set of gold teeth in his mouth!
    'What else?' asked the fairy, 'two more wishes to go! ?'?
    The Asylum Seeker refugee claimant now got bolder
    ?"?I need a big house with a three car garage on the Gold Coast with eight bedrooms - ? a?nd a Gold Visa Card in each room - for my family and the rest of my refugee relatives who still live in Sri Lanka. ? I want to bring them all over here''
    PING ! - In the distance there could be seen a beautiful mansion with a three car garage, a long driveway, a walkout patio with a BBQ, and a sparkling swimming pool and a BMW, full of his nephews playing their music.
    'One more wish left for you', said the fairy, waving her wand.
    The Asylum Seeker refugee claimant really decided to go for broke now and said
    "I want to be Australian with Australian clothes instead of the rags and shawl, and I want to have white skin like the Australians.'
    PING ! - The man was transformed, wearing worn out Stubbies shorts, a dirty Bonds T-shirt and a greasy terry-towel hat.
    He had his bad teeth back and the mansion had disappeared from the horizon.
    'What happened to my new teeth?' he wailed.
    'Where is my new house?
    Where's my Visa Gold Card?'
    Where is my BMW?
    The fairy said 'Tough luck. ? ?Now that you are Australian, you're entitled to sweet bugger ?all, just like the rest of us".
    And she disappeared. ?..........?
    Myall25
    13th May 2013
    9:38am
    Not bad Simmo.
    I liked the one where Bin Larden got a genie to enclose all Muslem countries with a huge wall no one could get in or out and the Aussie got the genie to fill it with water.
    Young Simmo
    13th May 2013
    10:08am
    Yeh Myall25 there are plenty floating around, and I reckon they are right on the money.
    wally
    12th May 2013
    11:01pm
    Perhaps we should send all the desperate homeless stateless refuge seeking human beings to Tasmania. Perhaps there are enough caring and sharing altruistic Christians living on that island who might welcome such an influx of uninvited parasites to their hearts and homes.After all,the voters there did inflict Bob Brown on the rest of us,
    It might be better than paying rent to the Papua New Guinea government for Manus Island and the ex guano island of Nauru. At least the money might actually benefit Tasmania, which never really recovered from the loss of the subsidy it received for receiving British felons and convicts in the 1800's. As long as the desperate, stateless homeless humans seeking refuge stay there in the Apple Isle. It might be a "win" for everybody except the Australian taxpayer.
    Taskid
    12th May 2013
    11:08pm
    What a sad comment, not worthy of an answer Wally. I just pray God you will never need refuge.
    Anonymous
    12th May 2013
    11:14pm
    Pray to God that if I need refuge that I will have enough money to pay a people smuggler and not have to get in the queu at a UN camp.
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    12:57pm
    http://apps.who.int/globalatlas/default.asp

    this link has data per country from 2000 to 2011 - parameter driven excel extracts can be done if you have the inclination otherwise it really just supports the comments made by moi in the post Macjam 12th May 2013 8:20pm
    catsahoy
    13th May 2013
    1:47pm
    hi young simmo, spot on.
    Young Simmo
    13th May 2013
    1:54pm
    Ye, and I didn't mention that BOOGY in the Black Book once.
    catsahoy
    13th May 2013
    1:56pm
    ha ha , ya, think we have had our fill, and more,
    Young Simmo
    13th May 2013
    1:57pm
    catsahoy, me and my boss are off to Perth tomorrow for 5 or 6 days, so it is up to you to keep this mob honest. I know you like a challenge.
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:05pm
    Taskid, I think god has taken refuge up your proverbial !!! and you are spouting BS.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:10pm
    Macjam "plop"
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:15pm
    Good you agree with my observation. Thank you. Again STOP THE BOATS, only allow GENUINE processed refugees to come here. The Boat people are as guilty as the "Smugglers" in aiding and abetting a criminal act.
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    2:16pm
    na Macjam - Taskid the alien sprouts 'horseshit' not 'bullshit'
    aquatrek
    13th May 2013
    2:20pm
    you will only gain Taskid's respect if you get a higher rating that just one 'plop'. I recently got a two 'plop' rating and feel as though I have won a Logi. I am off to get more real true facts for Taskid's feed trough as I am aiming for at least a three 'plop'.
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:25pm
    Taskid you are one Crazy Horse who lives in a fantasy world not able to wake up from your monotonous dreaming. STOP THE BOATS, WILD HORSES WON'T STOP ME FROM PURSUING THIS REAL WORLD STANCE
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:33pm
    Macjam You have not even experienced reality yet.
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:39pm
    Certainly not looking for Taskid's respect. Would be good if Crazy Horse dunks his/ her/ whatever head into the "Drinking" trough for about 30 minutes.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    10:07pm
    Macjam I am not interested in the respect from you or anyone else, I would not bother coming in here if I was interested in a popularity contest. I tell you the truth, but you do not want to hear it. That says more about you than it does about me. Islam will not affect me, but it will affect you, you have nothing to fall back on. No foundation. That is sad. You are so brave scorning a Christian I wonder how brave you would be up against a group of Islamic men. I reckon you would be a jelly baby.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:22pm
    Half a "plop" to you both, you can fight over it.
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:30pm
    Thank you hopefully soon there will be no "Plops" from you and you have ventured elsewhere to get you "kicks". Au revoir.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:31pm
    No such luck, my horse likes to provide for you. :0)
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    2:33pm
    Taskis nothing like FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:38pm
    Macjam Who upset your applecart today my friend??? You are grumpy, is it just a Monday thing or is grumpiness your chosen lifestyle??? Sound like you miss out on the best part. :0)
    catsahoy
    13th May 2013
    2:36pm
    hi again young simmo, enjoy your trip, i think i have finished with this page, cant get a semsible answer from some, will wait until the next topic,
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    2:41pm
    catsahoy. I think the topic has well and truly run its course. Yes have a great trip Young Simmo. Remain safe. :0)
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    8:27pm
    Gillard: Australia Day Set To Become ‘Citizens Day’ From 2014




















    Taskid, some more fodder for you to digest. STOP THE BOATS AND IMMIGRATION FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES








    May 03, 2013 admin 207 Comments


    Gillard1


    SYDNEY – Julia Gillard this evening confirmed circulating rumours that January 26 will become Citizens Day from 2014 onward in all official proceedings – departing from the traditional term ‘Australia Day’.


    Announcing the move during a keynote speech for the NSW Lebanese Society in Bankstown, Gillard believed that, “we as a nation must move forward from the old term [Australia Day], and reflect upon the multicultural society that makes our nation so great.” Continuing, the Prime Minister stated that, “we cannot rest until all cultures that come into Australia are valued as Australian cultures – and this could never occur under the term Australia Day.”


    Although the news was well received by the Lebanese audience, there is no doubt that this decision is a controversial one. Many Australians feel as though the original term was a perfectly acceptable way to celebrate life in this country. Melbournian George Talbot believes that “there isn’t really anything wrong with keeping the old name, it’s what I’ve grown up with.”


    Although the news regarding Australia Day may arrive as a shock, rumours have circulated since 2009. The notion of altering Australia Day began in 2009 by comments from Indigenous leader Mick Dodson, who received the Australian of the Year award in 2009. In his acceptance speech, Professor Dodson called for Australia Day to be moved to a different date, because of the current date’s potential to isolate indigenous citizens. The Strayan believes that these concerns were taken into consideration by the Rudd Government and as immigration under Gillard’s stewardship continued to grow, so too did the movement to alter the name for January the 26th.


    While the official term for one single day may seem arbitrary, the ultimate goal was made clear in the Prime Minister’s closing remarks. “We are a nation that wants new immigrants from Asia, Africa and the Middle-East to feel at home – and we shall achieve this by working with their cultures.” Already attracting criticism across Social Media, Gillard only exacerbated the explosive issue by alluding to future developments that could include outlawing the national anthem in schools and altering the flag to include the traditional symbols of Islam – however only if these measures were accepted by Australians as a way to welcome our new muslim, fascist, undemocratic Taliban immigrants.


    There is more to come on this breaking news.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    8:35pm
    Macjam
    Sad I think, what do you think about that news???
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    9:37pm
    I received this from a contact of mine, a reliable source,. It is possible however that the story is a fabrication or hoax, I am not sure. If it is I apologise to all the readers here for my post.
    catsahoy
    13th May 2013
    8:56pm
    AGREE TASKID, it is australia day, it is not 'multiculture day, leave it alone, i dont think the average aussie would go for it, . i pesonally came from england at 14, from day one i loved australia became naturalised and accept 'advance australia fair' as my anthem, .
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    9:02pm
    catsahoy
    Yes I cannot see the point of it, but Australia is being manipulated by political correctness and the deferring to Islam so in time it will not be the Australia we have known I fear. Seeing tonight the violence between the Muslims over Syria, being carried to our streets here is a warning of what could come.
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    9:17pm
    I have already called my Local MP, voicing my concerns about this impending change. Tell your friends or send emails, anything to make sure AUSTRALIA DAY is kept as our NATIONAL DAY, for all those that have given their lives for us, lest we forget.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    9:22pm
    Macjam Good for you. When was this announced?
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    9:42pm
    I received this from a contact of mine, a reliable source,. It is possible however that the story is a fabrication or hoax, I am not sure. If it is I apologise to all the readers here for my post.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    9:43pm
    Macjam It is a hoax
    "Australia Day Name Change Hoax Targets Prime Minister Gillard
    Outline
    Vitriolic and abusive social media comments claim that Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard is set to change the name of Australia Day to "Citizens Day" in an attempt to pander to migrant groups." Hoaxslayer.

    Apology accepted, it happens. :0)
    niemakawa
    13th May 2013
    9:53pm
    Thank you. I will be more vigilant in future. What a complete fool I have been. AGAIN APOLOGIES TO ALL THE READERS HERE.
    Taskid
    13th May 2013
    10:02pm
    Macjam Don't be too down on yourself. We all get these sort of send-ons and it is easy to let one get under the radar. I think the onus should be on those sending these things in the first place, they have not taken the time to check.
    catsahoy
    14th May 2013
    8:16pm
    macjam, no need for apologies, we can only go on what we hear, and quite honestly this would not surprise me, as it seems the government pander to these people, just a thought that im sure someone can tell me, are the asylums[i really dont know what to call them] allowed to vote, ?i would think not, as dont you have to be naturalised to vote,? we have a very good M,P, where i live, and he really does take up any issues the public take to him, he saved our doctors surgery that the ministry wanted closed down so they could sell the land, not for low income housing ,but private rental, . . will be interesting to see,
    Myall25
    15th May 2013
    1:00pm
    Not till they've become citizens. But Muslims, unlike most other immigrants, tend to become naturalised as soon as they're allowed to. This gets them into positions of power faster. They are invading Australia.
    catsahoy
    14th May 2013
    8:26pm
    just me again, i do know some childcare centres and kinders do not celebrate christmas and easter as muslams dont and they say they cant celebrate them as it would upset there religion. and they are not allowed to sing the anthem, which i find really upsetting, i do know this is fact as i have grandchildren in kinder, so if this can be stopped, anything is possible.
    aquatrek
    14th May 2013
    9:24pm
    The anthem was initially steeped in the Oz cultural 'forebears' creation of a nation - God Save the Queen. In 1985 that was changed to 'Advance Australia Fair' and god is not mentioned at all [secularism at last]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Australia_Fair
    If Advance Australia Fair is not allowed then those prohibiting it should be brought before a court to explain why. If there is a law that disallows this action then it should be applied 100%.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    10:14am
    A PICTURE TELL A THOUSAND WORDS

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    1:51pm
    macjam: so proud of you as I see that you also recieved a triple "plop" - well done
    catsahoy
    15th May 2013
    5:19pm
    myall25, thanks for that, i thought that was the case, but not sure, of course they would get naturalised as soon as possible ,then they have access to all the perks,[ thats if theres any they havent allready gote]. AQUATREK, yes i know it was 'god save the queen, king] before ADVANCE,i dont mind what it is , the fact remains MUSLINS do not accept this, the kinders and some schools no longer celebrate christmas or easter, as muslins dont observe it, it has caused quite a lot of contention in schools, the gov, know of this and say it is up to the indiviual schools and kinders to make up there own mind, my son and daughter in law, along with many other parents have been trying to get this turned around at my grandsons school, i will check what the latest outcome was on this and get back to you later, must admit i haven kept up to date since easter, when i know they had NO CELEBRATION at the kinder,[ i have one at each] will check,
    Jen
    15th May 2013
    5:57pm
    Not all schools have the no celebration policy. My grandchildren attend various public primary schools and the little ones, daycare, and they all celebrated Christmas and Easter.
    catsahoy
    15th May 2013
    9:19pm
    have just spoken to my son, at atylers SCHOOL THEY DID NOT CELEBRATE christmas, in fact the main point of contention was the children were not even allowed to wish each other 'merry christmas. at easter neither the school or kinder, which the younger one attends observed easter. parents approched the school over this and were told it would upset the 'muslim pupils' . as the school usually have a nativity play this also was cancelled, the parents hired a local hall ,took the kids out of school for the day and had a party and play away from the school, to my way of thinking this is so wrong, some say we should take these people in , we do and feed and cloth them, give them medical care and by all accounts they get every thing they want then dictate how WE should celebrate our festivals, NO NO NO, if any are found that dont want to assimilate. put them on the first boat leaving port and drop them of, . this is being forced on schools all over melbourne, the schools are caving in to the pressure, WHY IS THERE ANY PRESSURE, you are here, do as we do or go,
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    9:25pm
    Yes catsahoy. This is the very sad thing that is happening everywhere. Christianity is being pushed out of our nation by Islam and the New Atheist religion. I find it so very sad.
    niemakawa
    15th May 2013
    9:26pm
    This is the thin end of the wedge, believe me. Islam the biggest political party in Australia, it voice overshadows that of any other.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    9:34pm
    Only if Australians allow it to. They have turned their back on their own God who loves them and now an unloving 'god' is taking His place. This can only happen if people are weak in what they believe, then they cannot stand against this "god's people.
    niemakawa
    15th May 2013
    9:43pm
    Taskid,I understand that even some Christian Churches allow Muslims to pray (or prey) in them. For what purpose I ask? This will only encourage Islam to further its course for World domination
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    9:50pm
    Macjam No true Christian denomination or gathering would permit a Muslim to pray to their "god" in a service. If they do, they have drifted far from God's Word. I would never remain in a place where that was allowed to happen. That is like trying to mix oil and water.

    Sadly some weak denominations are trying to please people and and not the Lord. He had som strong things to say about such people.
    niemakawa
    15th May 2013
    9:58pm
    Taskid I agree with your last comment.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    7:12am
    They believe in the same God
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    8:05am
    Pete No they do not. Christians believe in the God of love, who sent His Son Jesus to redeem mankind from its sin. Islam believe in Allah a moon "spirit" - hence the crescent moon.

    The Islamic god is not the God of the Christian.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    9:28am
    Jews Christians Muslims are all Abrahamic beliefs tracing their belief to the God of
    Abraham. I.e the same God
    Christianity started out as a Jewish sect .
    All three beliefs ,or people of the book, are supposedly monotheist but both Islam
    And Jews have difficulty in understanding Christanities stand on the Three Gods
    In one.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    9:43am
    Pete Yes they had their roots in the Old Testament but Islam has wandered far from that.They worship a pagan deity.

    "The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.,

    The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel.

    The religion of ancient Israel was based on revelation; the Old Testament says that God appeared in diverse places and spoke to the Patriarchs; there they raised altars of undressed stones, called Beth-el—or House of God. Man's sensual imagination soon led him "to collect his gods in the dust and fashion them as he pleased," imagining that God resided in these Stones. Thus it became Beth-aven or House of Vanity. Beth-el abounded in Chaldea, Asia, Egypt, Africa, Greece, in remote parts of Europe, among the Druids, Gauls, and Celto-Scythians, and in North and South America." www.biblebelievers.com
    catsahoy
    15th May 2013
    9:32pm
    have been told this applied to all the schools in ALTONA, a melb suburb, also in south melborne, cant speak of any others as i dont know for certain, but the local papers reported it at christmas and easter, so its not an isolated case,
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    9:56pm
    essentially if we the oZ peoples want a secular governed society then the notion to teach christianity in primary schools is 100% against that idea. So I would tend to agree that celebration of any religious event in a school at any level is incorrect. But Muslims cant impose their celebration events within the schools either. No Ramadam fasting and schooling absence because of it.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    10:01pm
    The atheist religion should not be taught in school then at all.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    10:08pm
    you really are showing your stupidity in front of everyone - atheism is not taught as a subject anywhere in Oz and definitely not as a religion.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    10:12pm
    aquatrek Well I am happy to be "stupid" and know Jesus and His truth, than what you have faith in my friend. :0)
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    10:19pm
    cats, dogs, dolphins, parrots, whales, monkeys, gorillas and chimps ETC. are much smarter than you Taskid only because you havent 'evolved' past the year 0 CE.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    10:22pm
    aquatrek
    Well if the animals are your rellies I guess you would listen to anything they tell you. :0) You are a big brave boy being rude to a Christian woman, wonder how brave you would be up against a big bearded Islamic Imam???? Be interesting to see.
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    10:30pm
    haha Taskid: my genetic evolutionary genes are primarily from the UK - Kent where the motto is Invicta [never defeated or conquered] and on the matriarchal side its Swedish so some Viking blood in that mix. Bring on your Islamic champion you christian hypocrite.
    Taskid
    15th May 2013
    10:40pm
    aquatrek You think that would save you, your dead rellies??? The big Islamic would say "boo" and you would run a mile. Who is on your side, Richard Dawkins? - he does not look very substantial. He would probably be running faster. :0)
    aquatrek
    15th May 2013
    10:48pm
    you really are pathetic Taskid: R Dawkins has more intellect in his pinkie than you have in your entire body. Go back to your 0 CE world and stay there with your 2,000 year old dogma that is a whole collection of writings by about 40 authors and dispute about that all in different languages in several regions and recorded over 1,500 years. This is 2013 - not the year 0.
    archer
    15th May 2013
    11:26pm
    I can't consider atheism a religion as atheists don't believe in religion i think thats the point of it. We should have freedom of religion and also freedom from religion. To me it's personal.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    7:16am
    Aquatrek Of course you venerate Dawkins he is a high priest of your religion.
    Your "god" is the human intellect. Look at the planet and see where this 'god' of yours has got us.

    archer

    Well Einstein would disagree with you.

    Albert Einstein said that though an atheist he was a deeply religious man:

    To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong in the ranks of devoutly religious men."
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    8:10am
    Archer in the UK and USA Atheists even have their own "churches" - oh yes it is a religion.
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    9:23am
    Taskid: you mix all of the meanings up whilly nilly just to suite whatever silly point that you are attempting to make. For example Buddhism has become a 'religion' even though it was never intended to be one. The 'namaste' word meaning 'the god within you' exemplifies that 'belief' basis. Yet any cult can become a 'religion' as christianity has done with its many splinter groups. Your cult has little or no bearing on what happens to the planet but has been at the core of much of mankind's humanistic problems since 0 CE.

    About the only thing that you have said that is 100% correct is that atheists only recognize and deal with the intellect of humans - no more and no less.

    As for your stupid 'look at the planet' comment - the planet was here long before mankind populated it and it will still be here long after mankind has either moved on elsewhere or perished. 7 billion humans currently exist and predictions are that that may be nearing a peak in that developed nations are not maintaining birthrates so the populations are ageing and will decline in numbers. So for the last totally off topic time namaste and just go away will you.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    9:31am
    aquatrek I am not going anywhere, I did not bring up this Christian bashing, you did, live with it.

    Your arguments are empty - atheism is a religion recognised by the US Courts at the request of an atheist.

    They have their own churches.

    "If man had no concept of God, atheism would not exist. As such, atheism is a belief system based on God. It argues that God doesn’t exist, and does so to the exclusion of other beliefs about God. Christians argue that they have the truth, Muslims that they have the truth, Atheists that they have the truth, etc.

    Atheism argues that the universe created itself, or has always existed. It claims that
    what we call fine tuning in the universe, which allows for life, is nothing
    more than random inevitability, chance, or some similar argument. It claims
    that existence itself was brought about by purely natural means, abiogenesis
    and evolution, or similar claim. It argues that man is capable of establishing
    his own moral code, and that that code proves a benevolent God cannot exist. These
    claims are necessary with denial of a creator, and are the very arguments that
    atheists make during debate. They are also seen throughout the many forms of atheist
    propaganda. There can be no denial that atheism claims all these things.

    It argues that science, logic, and reason, support it’s claims, and that same
    science disproves the possibility of miracles and other supernatural claims.
    Yet it also argues God un-falsifiable, as science CAN'T prove or disprove the
    supernatural. What that really means is they have no empirical proof to support
    any of their claims. So if science can’t prove their claims to be true, or can’t
    disprove God, then that means that their conclusions are taken on “faith”. Science, logic, and reason, can't be proven to be on their side. This is dogma, folks.

    These claims deal with the same subject matter that religion does, and can't be proven. Therefore, it qualifies as “religious dogma”.[4]

    What’s missing from atheism that most religions have? Worshipping a deity? That isn’t
    necessary to be a religion. Confucianism, Scientology, Some Buddhist sects, New
    Age, etc., are considered religions but worship no deity.

    Atheism is a system of beliefs that has God as the centerpiece, it reaches its
    conclusions using faith in that which is unproven or un-provable, it has its own
    religious dogma, it’s followers proselytize, propagandize, and preach it’s virtues
    in order to gain converts, it argues a better world if everyone converts, it
    argues that other beliefs about God are irrational and harmful, and it cannot
    prove it’s claims. Since we know that worship of a deity is not necessary to be
    considered a religion, what more do you need to show that atheism qualifies as
    a religion??" Debate.org
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    9:37am
    Whist I agree there should not be priests in schools at taxpayers cost promoting their guilt laden wares.
    I think the enjoyment of Christmas or Easter for our kids is fine it lost any religiouse
    Significance, except for a minority I think back in the sixties when God was declared dead.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    9:48am
    Pete Priests come from only one denomination. I know many in here have had bad experiences with that denomination, but it is not the whole of Christianity you know. Take your blinkers off. The fact that denomination apparently, I would not know as I have never been to it, seem to load people down with guilt is not the message of Jesus, He came to set man free from guilt and sin. So much ignorance out there of what is "religion" and what is Christian.
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    10:01am
    hahahaha now your the resident self elected expert on atheism hahahahaha what a joke you are.
    Jesus started a cult, you belong to the cult, rant and rave constantly about the cult so that we are all sick of hearing it. You deliberately hijack every forum just so that you can preach.

    I will stick with science as the basis for all of humankind's knowledge to date and any 'beliefs' that have emerged - it is an ongoing project for the betterment of all and does not claim to have all of the answers. Nor does it rant and rave like a broken record but just like a bulldozer goes about its business day after day. Science never has claimed nor is likely to have all of the answers but it is certainly not stuck in the quicksand in the year 0 CE. There never were any gods or goddesses anytime anywhere on this planet - just some very scared of the dark humans.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    12:26pm
    aquatrek.
    You know zero about the important things of life. Rave on about your science, it is a process, never explains the purpose. Your science is being proven and disproven constantly. You are the loser, because you are wrong. Anyway I am through it is back to "plops" for you aquatrek. You cannot help yourself, you just have to hate this God who in your tiny opinion, does not exist. Wonder why, do you ever question why you have such hate for a person who in your little world does not exist???
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    1:28pm
    you are so close to being classed as a 'hopeless basketcase idiot'. What meds are you on - has the repeat script run out ? I dont hate anyone or anything regardless of your stupid ranting.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    1:32pm
    Aquatrek Run away back to your little science set.
    catsahoy
    15th May 2013
    9:57pm
    my family came to australia when i was 14, now 73, we did not come on an assisted passage, but paid to come, we had conditions, we had to have a sponser who guarenteed a place to stay[ my father had relations here] my father had to have employment, he worked at the S,E,C,in london and got a transfer to a power station here, my mother got a job as cook at the hospital, and they worked and saved for whatever they got. we were only to happy to live the australian way of life, admittidly ,religion didnt come into it, but other things my parents found diffirent , they changed there way to get along with the people we livrd and worked with, i personally find this the most disgusting thing iv heard coming from people who are living on our charity.

    16th May 2013
    10:11am
    Is it possible to be a complete non believer in the man made stuff like Jesus Mohammed Moses and Agnostic about God.
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    10:27am
    yep 100% - fables/stories from the past dim dark ages do not a god make - atheist = someone who believes that no deities exist; diety = any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. Namaste.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    12:20pm
    Pete The problem with the unbeliever is that as soon as he/she says "I don't believe in God" they acknowledge God - belief is an act, unbelief is also an act - to say I don't believe admits there was someone there "not to believe in." If I am wrong I lose nothing, if you are wrong, you have missed out very big time. I will regret nothing, but you will if you are wrong.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    1:37pm
    Taskid have a look at my question again because your reply was not relevant to the question .
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    1:55pm
    Pete Well as Jesus is God, the only real one, to not believe in Him is equal to not believing in the Christian God. If you wish to nominate other gods in which to disbelieve that is up to you. I can assure you Jesus is not man-made, but I do understand you could not comprehend that from where you are at just now. The naturual mind can never comprehend God who is Spirit until they too become whole and connect spiritually. That is why Jesus says "You must be born again."

    The Western mind in the whole is hampered by its restrictions, it allows the "intellect" as fallible and temporary as that is to put parameters around what is meant by being fully human. Westerners are really quite crippled when it comes to comprehending and understanding spiritual matters. So they devise little religions like atheism to fill the void every human has, but most will not admit.

    So to answer your question, no to not believe in Jesus would make you an atheist as He is God. Agnosticism always seems a bit foolish to me, may as well be a believer or an atheist - one road leads to eternal life, that of the believer, the latter on, atheism (and agnosticism) , leads to eternal death. I am glad I made the choice I did.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    11:32pm
    At some time Taskid you must have been open to discuss and learn and you decided to take in your current beliefs which seem to be very centered on Jesus. It seems a shame that you are so anti and closed to other Abrahamic beliefs as that can only lead to conflict.
    It would seem to me the most peaceful solution would be for the Abramic beliefs to reunite back under the mother belief Judaism.
    I can see this would be simple for Islam as it would only require Judaism to recognize Mohammed as a prophet.
    But Christians insistence on Jesus being God would pose a problem
    Maybe if they looked at Christian deism where Jesus' moral values are accepted
    But not his divinity could be a solution.
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    8:44am
    Pete Thank you for your post. You suggest at some time I must have been open to discuss and learn...............That is the amazing reality - in the morning I got up an unbeliever and probably, to my shame, would have echoed the rudeness of posters in here about Christian belief. By the end of that same day I had stepped from death to life. How, I heard the Gospel of Jesus that He had given His life to carry my sin. I repented of my sin (we are all sinners) and asked Jesus to be my Lord and Saviour. It was so simple, yet so life-changing. I had no understanding or comprehension of the spiritual side of man, I had never read the Bible, but boy that day I learned there was a whole lot more.

    So no, I did not come to know Jesus by rationalism, I think it would be very difficult to do that - the great philosopher C.S. Lewis laid down the rational arguments for belief in his book Mere Christianity. An amazing and humble man.

    So I know beyond doubt that Jesus is alive, I know Father Son and Holy Spirit and that not through anything clever I did. No one can save themselves, no human institution, religious or not can save anyone, only Jesus. He said, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life - and I can say with complete assurance and honesty, He is.

    Man without Jesus can never attain a peaceful world, Healone is the Prince of Peace. I never new real peace before, but at that moment I gave my life to Him I felt the load of worry and every dark thing lift from me. It sounds crazy to the carnal mind I know. The day before it would have sounded crazy to me too. But that day all those decades ago was the best day of my life and they have only got better still.

    There is no way a true Christian would renounce Jesus - it would be like denying life. This is why 200 million Chinese risk there freedom and their life every day to worship Him in the underground churches. In Iran,Iraq etc, Saudi Arabia, thousands of Muslims are having the same encounter with the Living Jesus I did - they risk death if it is known and their families disown them, but they will not give Jesus up. North Korea has Christians, 70,000 are estimated to be in prison camps, but they would not give up Jesus.

    So there will never be a uniting of the religions of Judaism and Islam with Christianity. They are religions, Jesus is a Person, with Him it is a Relationship. Jews in the hundreds are realising Jesus was and is their Messiah and having worshipped with Jewish believers (Messianic Jews) in Israel I can tell you it is a beautiful fulfilment of what Jesus promised.

    So Pete, if you wish to know more, ask Him, He is there. He offers peace that passes human understanding, and I can attest to that, unconditional love, truth, wisdom, joy and the fulfilment of our humanity. God is real and He loves us.

    If today you put before a trillion dollars I would say, "no thanks", no amount of money can buy what I have.

    I realise it is right outside the comfort zone of the human mind to believe and receive, but oh is it worth it? Yes indeed. Pete there is more, do not leave this planet without having the best there is. I do not speak of Jesus to be smart, or to put down people as people in here accuse me, I am nothing without Him, I do come to tell them there is more, but in the last analysis, it is everyone's choice - accept or reject. God said, "I put before you life and death, choose life." Only He can show you Himself, no-one else can.

    I nearly did, but He came to me and I am so glad He did, I wish you a great day.

    16th May 2013
    10:42am
    I guess by far the majority of people would say that the man made stuff is bullshit ( hence the attendance at churches is virtually non existent) but ask them is their a God and you get a shrug of the shoulders that kinda agnostic.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    12:32pm
    Well I hope you include the religions of atheism and secularism, you have blind faith that there is no God. The agnostic tries to have a 2 way bet, but God doesn't play man's silly little games. Sadly the Western World is spiritually impoverished, but in Islamic countries and the atheist states like China and North Korea the number of Christians grows every day. In those places that takes true courage.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    11:37pm
    No just the opium of the masses is needed more in corrupt impoverished societies as it was in the west during the Industrial revolution.
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    8:48am
    pete Poor old dead Marx with that sad little saying. Well I cannot speak for religion as I do not have it. I just follow Jesus. The masses don't follow Jesus. He said, "Narrow is the gate (to life) and few are those who find it, broad is the road to destruction and many will walk on it." Jesus is needed everywhere, He is the only answer to all man's problems and questions.
    toot2000
    16th May 2013
    10:49am
    We've got to stop the boats and I don't really care how, no more bleeding hearts, they are sending our country broke.
    Anonymous
    16th May 2013
    11:44pm
    Toot the Indonesian police could stop them tomorrow , so why aren't they .
    They are poor and obviously bei g paid by the smugglers.
    We should use our intelligence service to pay them to close down the smugglers no matter what the cost it has to be cheaper .
    The other point is how are they getting through Jakarta airport.?
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    1:11pm
    Pete i thought we were paying them to close down the smugglers perhaps iff the government said unless the boats were reduced the money would be reduced
    toot2000
    16th May 2013
    10:59am
    According to an article in Crikey today, it costs us $113,000 for every asylum seeker that steps foot on Australian soil from a leaky boat.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    12:41pm
    toot It cost that and more to run our criminal court system and keep Australian criminals on probation and/or in gaol - is that money well spent??? We cannot count the cost of compassion, it comes with civilization. The alternative is to behave like the barbarians these poor people are fleeing.
    Myall25
    16th May 2013
    12:59pm
    I see Tas hasn't got the message that most of us know she's mad, so everything that comes out of her mouth is drivel. However, her analogy is rather strange. Most Australians are in jail because Christian wowsers infest the major parties and have used their power to introduce Fascist anti, smoking, drinking, gambling a recreational drug laws. Not only that, these same Christian wowsers own the companies who are running the privatised jails, so they have a vested interest in seeing they remain full! By the way, that includes the centers where illegals are looked up!
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    1:10pm
    Myall25
    Myall25
    You speak so much absolute drivel I cannot believe a person in a sane state could make such claims. I suggest you stop playing computer games and stop reading conspiracy theories for the sake of your mental health. You sound most unwell to me. I hope you get help.
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    1:54pm
    toot2000 - it is the fools of the world like Taskid that destroy civilizations. There are plenty on record - both fools and dead civilizations. Suppression and power and division and fear are their tools of trade. Gibberish about a topic that has been already thrashed to death is all that the religious can come up with. The NLP are going to have a hard job of dealing with this diabolical mess that the ALP have left behind. A program on TV interviewed the Salvos and they are at breaking point - even having to turn boat people away.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee
    http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/r/stat-as.php
    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/pm-explains-asylum-seeker-spending-caps/story-e6frfku9-1226642741221
    IMHO the ALP are murderers by association as it is they who dismantled the policies that were in place [Rudd & Bowen]. Since then its been policy making on the run and in catchup mode. The costs to the Oz taxpayers is staggering, as is the mental damage to those who do get here.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    2:01pm
    aquatrek
    Why do you keep evangilising your atheist doctrine in here. If others are not "allowed" to speak about their belief, what makes you think you can preach yours???? You are devout, I understand that, but you do go on a bit about it.

    I would think the ALP would be a big hit with you, having an confessed atheist at the head. Can't she manage the job just using her intellect???? Shoots a hole in your doctrine.
    aquatrek
    16th May 2013
    2:18pm
    This is getting quite tedious educating you Taskid. Doctrine = a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group. Note the key word of authoritative. Atheism claims no authority over anyone - your religious cult most certainly does. So you see dont you - is that clear enough - you belong to a cult. A cult that is just one of the many that have preceded, or are current and will fade away eventually. Cults do not practice for the good of all humankind as they are compelled to follow some dogma, as you certainly do. If you are such a devout christian then get off this forum and go and help the Salvos out. Namaste.
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    2:30pm
    aquatrek Tut tut, an atheist in denial about his religion. Einstein said it was a religion, he must be nearly a god to you, surely you would not contradict him Sorry aqua you can deny to yourself, but it is as much a religion as any other belief system with sets of doctrines and high priests. You are bound by the doctrine and dogma of atheism just like all other man-made religions. Thank God I do not belong to any religion.

    Now you use a Hindu term at the end of your posts (Dawkins would not like that, they have thousands of gods) - are you having 2 bob either way??
    Interesting meaning of namaste - should you be bowing to me and negating your ego for me??? I rather like the idea, but I don't think it is doctrinally correct for an atheist to do this to a Christian is it???


    "The Meaning of Namaste:
    In Sanskrit the word is namah + te = namaste which means “I bow to you” - my greetings, salutations or prostration to you. The word ‘namaha’ can also be literally interpreted as "na ma" (not mine). It has a spiritual significance of negating or reducing one's ego in the presence of another."
    catsahoy
    16th May 2013
    4:12pm
    i was under the illusion this topic started out about why these illegals were being allowed in and how to stop them, this has gone completly off track and become, as usual a debate on religion and beliefs, if taskid and aquatrek wish to debate this on every topic ,maybe they should set up a private line between themselves and beat the hell out of each other that way, i personally find it tiresome to come to this page and read this same old diatribe ive read a dozen times before, will you two stop and try and keep to the topic at hand, it has become ridiculous,
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    4:29pm
    catsahoy
    Have you heard of freedom of speech?? Many posters go off topic, over and over again,and many times I find their posts boring and uninteresting but I do not whinge about it I just look somewhere else, why is it you comment on this one and not on the others????

    I have put up topics several time, two current ones, one to discuss Aquatrek's religion of atheism which he avoids for some reason. People are talking about their beliefs all the time - political, health, worldview etc etc. What do you want us to talk about the price of bananas today????
    niemakawa
    16th May 2013
    4:43pm
    Catsahoy. Unfortunately chances are better going to Mars than stopping the boats. Politicians will never listen to the majority of voters on this issue. Apparently we are too emotional and do not have the understanding of the real problems facing these "illegal arrivals" Talking about Mars I believe they will be sending an expedition there in 2021. They are looking for volunteers to "colonise" Mars. It will be a one way ticket only. Perhaps the Illegals will volunteer, then they can start a new civilisation of their own. No Centrelink office there. Our "Government" budget can afford to help with their fare. Also any of us can hit the report button if the content is not on topic.
    catsahoy
    16th May 2013
    4:50pm
    taskid ,i am not on site all the time, i normaly limit myself to an hour a day and thats it, i have far to many other things to occupy myself with, you have every right to freedom of speech, and yes, people do go off topic at times, but i just find that you and aquatrak seem to go a bit faruther off track than most, judging by others reports i am not the only one that finds this tiresome, please do not reply with anything about jesus, as i have told you before, i do not discuss religion with anyone,whether its jesus atheism cathology ,hinduism, my views are my own,
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    4:59pm
    catsahoy You will never find me bringing religion up. I cannot abide it, does so much damage.

    I know people have been ganging up in here to force people to only talk about what they wish to. Form of bullying and exclusivism I think. For instance people go on and on about politics (another forbidden subject in most polite circles). It is one for the Labor, one for the Libs, and it is for me dead boring. However I recognise that is a subject that interests many voters so I respect their right to go on and on and on. Atheists push their non-belief and of course, because people do not realise it is a religion, that is not commented on. People go on and on about Islam and argue about it, no complaints much there, but heaven help one if they come in here and mention Christianity. What a pagan country we have. I wish you well.
    catsahoy
    16th May 2013
    8:39pm
    macjam, the mars propsal sounds good, but not much hope im afraid as you said, no centerlink and luxuries, you are right, there is no easy solution, and not one that will suit everyone, while i DO feel for these people and cant imagine what the REAL refugees have experienced, i still say charity begins at home, when we have some sort of order here and we can truly say we have looked after our own, people have work and the people who want work have jobs, then we can start to be charitable, just as a for instance, a friend of mine has just been made redudant after 12 years ,her daughter works in the same place, the husband was laid off 3 months ago, these are people in there 50s, not very employable in todays market, . taskid you have never heard me talk of polotics, what i am trying to say is , WHATEVER the suject, jesus comes into it, lets talk of the subject at hand, if you want an open forum where ANYTHING, is up for discussion, then have one, but if we are discussing a particular subject, lets stick to it, , AND yes taskid, the price of bananas is outrageous, bye the bye, i am not a pagan, far from it, take care,
    Taskid
    16th May 2013
    8:44pm
    catsoholic Oh dear it is so easy to offend some people. I never said you spoke about politics I was speaking about posters in general. In time you will find the Lord is in everything, He made it all including us. I never said you were a pagan, I said we live in a pagan country. I don't know what you believe, certainly not Christianity the way you react to the Lord's Name.
    Have a good evening.
    aquatrek
    17th May 2013
    9:39am
    I sincerely apologize to those that are annoyed by my responsive rantings to Taskids religious rantings. We have been at it for quite awhile now on various topics and Taskids refusal to stick to the topic is what sucks me in every time . No more.
    toot2000
    17th May 2013
    10:34am
    Thanks Aqua, she will only respond if you keep posting.
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    12:56pm
    I sincerely apologize to those who have been exposed to the nonsensical rantings of aquatrek. He pushes his atheist religion at every opportunity.

    toot2000. I have tried not responding, responding with a plop, responding assuming he can have an intelligent conversation - to no avail, all he does is preach his athiesm over and over. He is a typical trouble-maker - baits people and then pretends like a guilty child - "wasn't me." :0)
    niemakawa
    17th May 2013
    2:36pm
    I believe the "boat people" are accessories before the fact and if the so called "Smugglers" are considered as committing a criminal offence, then so are the Illegals arrivals by boat. Change the law in Australia so this can happen, then they will not come.
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    2:42pm
    Macjam I understand that Australia has this week changed its status as a country of refuge, the first UNHCR country to do so, now no asylum seekers are welcome on our shores. Should we be proud?? Time will tell.
    niemakawa
    17th May 2013
    3:15pm
    Taskid, So if this the case it will give Australia some breathing space to assess the long term effects of those that have already arrived. I think this would be a fair course of action for everyone. Let it be known I am not anti- immigration per se, but the situation with allowing these boat people to come here in the current numbers is not acceptable to most Australians. I feel for those refugees that have been processed elsewhere and are awaiting re-settlement to a third Country, have been in detention camps for several years. These "genuine " refugees should be given priority.
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    3:24pm
    Macjam Yes I guess so. The crime lay with the people smugglers, should we punish their "customers"? Probably some of these folk have already been in detention centres in other countries and have seen this as their only hope. I don't think there is any easy answer.
    toot2000
    17th May 2013
    3:39pm
    Many are living in the community on bridging visas waiting for their claims to be decided. They get just over $400 a fortnight and are not allowed to work or study so how are they managing? Charities say they are overwhelmed and can't cope with requests for help. This really is now beyond a joke.
    niemakawa
    17th May 2013
    4:07pm
    Toot2000. I believe they are receiving enough financial support and our Government should not be increasing their "allowance". They would be better staying in a detention centre where everything is included. They can't have it both ways. There is no logical reason to fast track them into the "system". They were able to afford paying for their "right" of passage to Australia, so it is possible that they have other "assets" available. Sorry given the circumstances I have little sympathy for their "plight".
    archer
    18th May 2013
    8:28pm
    Macjam. I just checked out and it costs $110,000 per asylum seeker per year at a detention centre. (More for the offshore locations) So sending them off with $400 per fortnight or $10,400 per year ( if that is what they get!!). is a huge saving to the taxpayer of $100,000.00 Per year for each asylum seeker. Also I don't think they are given any choice. They are obliged to go where they are sent I don't Know how they can live on that and pay rent power furniture food etc.
    They are obliged to go where they are sent
    niemakawa
    18th May 2013
    9:02pm
    Archer, I am not denying what you say, but my point stated that they would be better off staying in a detention centre. No they want to be and their advocates want them placed in the community. So they have to survive on $ 400 per fortnight, if that is the case. As for being obliged to go where they are sent is questionable. Most come via Indonesia and have passed through other Countries en route, where they could have sought asylum. Sorry they are coming to Australia for the "good" life and will pay large sums of money to come here, at the same time aiding and abetting a criminal offence in conjunction with the so called "smugglers"
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    4:31pm
    I think it is very easy to sit in judgement - based on their "ability" to pay the criminals who bring them here - but the reality is we do not know their circumstances and there is really no easy political answer.

    Australians cannot imagine how it is to be without a country to call their own. Do we have the right to judge?? We are all here because a race of people were displaced from their home country. Perhaps a little less judgementalism and a little more humility is in order??
    niemakawa
    17th May 2013
    5:09pm
    Taskid, It is feasible that many more in he hundreds of thousands could engage the people smugglers to use larger and larger vessels, to accommodate a greater number of people. My question to you is in your own mind how many is acceptable. 1 million 2 million? Is there a limit?
    Taskid
    17th May 2013
    8:15pm
    Macjam I have no idea re numbers, - we had 16000+ last year and many more this year, but far less than even half a million. We have a large country, one of the problems seems to be how the refugees/migrants congregate in the big cities like Melbourne and Sydney. I would suggest they should be encouraged to settle away from the cities. Whether that is feasible I don't know.
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    11:46am
    I AM SO SICK OF YOU LABOR PEOPLE DOWNING JOHN HOWARD FOR THE CHILDREN OVERBOARD HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT IF IT WAS WHAT HE THOUGHT TO BE TRUE REFER TO THE NOV. 2001 PROGRAMME ON S.B.S WHERE HE SAID NOTHING CAN ALTER THE FACT THAT I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION AN ONA REPORT THAT STATES BODLY THAT CHILDREN WERE THROWN IN THE WATER
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    11:54am
    Trouble is most Labor voters are clueless, that's why they follow Labor Politicians and Governments, just like sheep. Labor voters have difficulty in looking after themselves and many expect others to "pay" for their "lifestyles"
    Anonymous
    19th May 2013
    12:07pm
    I wonder who the labor voters are.It used to be workers who belonged to Unions but since John Howard set these people free they have become tradies running their own small business with mum doing the books and union membership down to 13 per cent Mainly teachers and civil servants.
    Myall25
    19th May 2013
    12:31pm
    Howard the coward, is the most vilest, traitorous piece of filth Australia has ever produced, followed closely by Keating the idiot! Liberal voters are every bit as clueless as labour voters. As a matter of fact, I consider all major party voters to be traitors to Australia and come the revolution, they'll be slaughtered along with their political mates! There's no excuse for continuing to replace Labour with Liberals you know are going to screw you and viceaversa.
    Anonymous
    19th May 2013
    12:44pm
    You seem to have a problem with democracy
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    12:45pm
    Myall I think you read too many novels. Revolution??? In Australia???? Don't make me laugh. :0)
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    12:34pm
    Having seen Mary and Mohammed, a Tasmanian film which every Australian would be wise to see if it comes their way I feel ashamed of the way Australia under Howard and the current one have treated the asylum seekers.

    The film shows a groups of Australians who show the "we don't want them here" and others with a more charitable attitude facing 200 male asylum seekers being placed in detention in refurbished army barracks at Brighton Tasmania.

    Over time a group of women pensioners got to meet some of the men, hear their stories and get to know them and their stories. It was an eye opener and showed how fear of the unknown can drive our prejudices and when reality is known the "enemy" can become a friend. I recommend it, whether you hate asylum seekers or whether you are inclined to be more humane toward them. There but for the Grace of God go I..............
    Myall25
    19th May 2013
    12:41pm
    U still here Tas? Still sprooking your treasonous filth, I see. How many shares do you have in detention centers? Or are yours all in the religious companies which lock Australians up over wowser laws? Or even worse, are you a vile, disgusting, salvation army Nazi?
    Anonymous
    19th May 2013
    12:41pm
    I really don't think it is the point that non official arrivals are nice people or have a heartbreaking story so do the millions in refugee camps.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    12:50pm
    Myall You disgust me. Shame there are not some boats here going in the opposition direction - I would like to see you on one of them. You are a disgrace to Australia and it is horrible to think we have citizens who have such a vile attitude. You have no right to call anyone "filth" go look in the mirror.
    Myall25
    19th May 2013
    12:35pm
    And that's who the labour voters are these days academics and civil servants. That's why the Labour party wouldn't know a worker if they fell over one.
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    1:17pm
    Myall who are you calling a coward and why it is very easy hiding behind you anomity but i agree about keating his policies was a fail but he did have some good programmes. You must have a horrible outlook on life to call people by those foul names, dont forget you get more with honey , you should try some taste nice
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    1:33pm
    sensible senior
    It amazes me how my country has deteriorated if YLC is any example of people's thinking. Myall25 and some others in here are able to spew out venom like that above and it is ok. I would report him, but because I am a Christian I doubt any action would be taken. I got barred for being a Christian - but people who talk filth and venom in here are welcome. It is sickening. I wonder why anyone would want to come here if this is that attitude out there in the masses. They have experienced hate, intolerance, persecution in the countries they flee, but come in to more of the same here in Australia.

    I have real concerns about Islam, but neither political party has had the intestinal fortitude back to the 1970's when Islamics first came here in numbers (I realise we had Afghanis in the 1980's) - had they then, I think it was Malcolm Fraser who was PM put in protection for the Australian way of life we would not have this bowing to Islam we have now in government and secular circles. That is the worry, not the people who are bound by this awful religio/political system. It is too late now to say - if you come you accept our values, our way of living. That has been the failure and continues to be.
    sensible senior
    19th May 2013
    2:02pm
    Taskid the labor party does not want to stop them Chris Bowen especially i think that is the reason he hold onto his seat.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    2:12pm
    My question to anyone who has made a comment on this topic and do not see this issue as a problem for Australia: WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO TAKE A SOCALLED "ASYLUM" SEEKER INTO YOUR OWN HOME AND PROVIDE ONGOING SUPPORT. I would not, as they are illegal immigrants who have paid there way here and aiding and abetting in a criminal offence.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    2:27pm
    Yes I would Macjam. There is no criminal offence except for the people smugglers.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    2:47pm
    Good Taskid, would be nice to know when your first one arrives. An analogy for you.
    A drug user is considered a criminal for buying from the supplier. So if people smuggling is a crime surely the "user" of the service/end product is too.
    sensible senior
    22nd May 2013
    9:54am
    Macjam remember we have already been asked gtoo. the government would pay us $300 how much would they be paying thed asylm seeker?
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    3:00pm
    Macjam You put up an analogy I put up reality, the law of Australia and the UNHRC says no asylum seeker is illegal.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    4:03pm
    That's why the law is an ass. The UNHRC is an anachronism and has no longer any relevance. I will vote for the Australian Political Party that will withdraw from this inept oligarchy. Australia first. It will not damage its reputation to do so.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    4:42pm
    Taskid I forgot to ask. When you take in one of "your"people you will you absorb all the associated costs and not expect taxpayer assistance?. Thank you.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    8:13pm
    Macjam I do not have to answer to you what would or wouldn't do. I would rather have the asylum seekers I have met in my home than some I have met in here. Myall and Davey for two. Is money your "god" - does your ability to be humane rely on your hip pocket???? My gosh our country is sick.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    8:19pm
    Taskid I will take that as a "NO" to my question. I have told you that I would not do it. Funny how all the "asylum" advocates always prepared to spend other peoples money but will not put their money where their mouth is. Advocates just "jellyfish" no "Backbone"
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    8:29pm
    Macjam You love to judge others don't you, based on nothing but your own small minded prejudice. I am not an advocate of "asylum" - I would that we could live in a world where people could have a home country which accepted and nurtured them, but we live in a fallen world of sinful people and an attitude that "you have not right to what I enjoy" so peace will always be a stranger, sadly that to many in Australia as well. Are those who arrogantly think they have a "right" to the goodies of the planet wanting peace, or just peace at any price as long as it doesn't touch my bank account. I have very little, but what I have I would gladly share and do where I can.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    8:41pm
    Taskid, not a judgment but a fact. Everyone has prejudices that's the nature of the "beast" HUMAN. If you have none then so be it. The "illegals" are similar to "scammers" and they will attempt to take what they can. So give it to them if you will, that is your choice. I certainly will not. So please do not judge me either.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    8:50pm
    Macjam Well it may be the nature of some "beasts" but as I do not consider myself a beast it does not apply to me.

    You make statements without one iota of evidence to back it apart from a few overused terms. Back up your rantings with some facts and then we can talk turkey.

    I am not judging you I am judging your attitude and that is not very admirable in human terms.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    8:58pm
    Taskid you have told 2 interesting things about yourself. 1. you do not have prejudices and 2. you are not human. Well that accounts for your obscure comments.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    9:06pm
    Macjam I try not to have prejudices, a working life spent working mainly with people whom the "nice" people would reject taught me to look past their "differences" and to see their humanity. I found many treasures in what "nice" people had tossed aside. Those rejected ones taught me much.

    I am very much human, but not "beast" - if some see themselves as elevated beasts that is there choice, but it does not apply to me.

    19th May 2013
    8:19pm
    Taskid I still hold to my point that no matter how nice or sad stories the non official arrivals
    Have so do millions in refugee camps . The unofficial arrivals obviously have means available that thse in camps do not . So it is quite easily demonstrated that they are not genuine asylum seekers but economic refugees so therefore illegal .
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    8:33pm
    Pete

    You cannot say that they are "economic refugees, they are just a buzz words used by politicians for their own ends and people have gladly grabbed it with both hands to give them an excuse to condemn other people. The fact that the majority of asylum seekers are found to be genuine refugees gives lie to this demonising terminology. You have been conned into believing a lie.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    9:10pm
    Taskid you are being conned into BELIEVING a lie by your "UNHRC". Fortunately most of us do not wear BLINKERS.

    19th May 2013
    9:04pm
    No the simple fact that they can afford to by pass the UN refugee programme and afford to fy to Malaysia or Indonesia and then pay people smugglers 10000 dllrs a head makes them e onomic refugees and therefore illegal . I think you are the one being conned b the middle class Muslim population whilst their poorer brothers languish n UN Camps for decades.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    9:11pm
    Pete Look I think we will have to agree to disagree. You have judged these people so really there is no need for the Immigration Department, just run them past the "Pete's" of our society and they will recognise the worthy from the unworthy.

    Had you seen the film and the place from which the asylum seeker had come perhaps it may have humbled you, but then again, perhaps not.

    19th May 2013
    9:36pm
    No I have not judged them just by their own actions they ave proved they are rich middle class Muslims taking advantage of us and their fellow Muslims
    They are very simply economic refugees who would rather have a good life in Australia than their wn country
    Sorry we decide who we want and we bring in 200,000 a year at our choice
    Don't jump the que cos your rich and sorry ate you are being conned
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    9:42pm
    Pete You provide no evidence for your claims. If they were rich middle class as you suggest (and imagine) they would not be recognised as they are as genuine refugees. So sorry that is just your imaginings unless you can provide some proof that that is the norm for asylum seekers. Did you ever see the "Get Back to Where You Came From" series on SBS???? I doubt it. The people, Australians, pictured on that had much the same attitude to you when they started out................then they saw the reality. Perhaps you could watch them and get back to me. Mind you if they could not convince you then I guess nothing would.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    9:49pm
    Taskid where is your evidence to the contrary? The UNHRC propaganda perhaps! SBS is not really a good source either as it portrays a world of innocence, which is naivety at its best.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    9:59pm
    Macjam Well Peter Reith and Angry Anderson were participants, you could not get two more different personalities. They learned a thing or two, but I think my friend you are so full of your own pride and self-centredness you believe you have nothing to learn. So be it. Some choose to remain stuck.
    niemakawa
    19th May 2013
    10:17pm
    Taskid you tend to circumvent the issue. Where is your "documentary" evidence to the contrary. I repeat my last post. Obviously you are confused. Yes I learn but it seems that you have an inability to think for yourself but rely on archaic institutions like the UN to infiltrate your thought processes. Please answer the question.

    Taskid where is your evidence to the contrary? The UNHRC propaganda perhaps! SBS is not really a good source either as it portrays a world of innocence, which is naivety at its best.
    Taskid
    19th May 2013
    11:58pm
    Macjam

    Why is it that the prejudiced always have to resort to personal attacks when they are shown the holes in their arguments. All of a sudden there is no credible source of information, but Macjam. Everyone else is wrong, naive, confused etc etc.
    catsahoy
    19th May 2013
    11:28pm
    after 2 days i come back here to see the same old diatribe being hashed over, as i see it the only way is to better patrol of our shores and turn these boats back, i know i will get blogs telling me i am not charitable, dont care, blah blah, i do care but i dont see why we should shoulder all this responsiblity when we cant even fix our own problems, if you want to worry about migration, anyone in melbourne needs to go for a walk, any day along SWANSTON ST, to LATROBE STREET, it is pick the aussie with chinese, they swamp you, they have there own banks ,real estate agents, they are everywhere, i remember reading something ROBERT MENZIES said ,some years back, when people were talking about immigrants, he said,'BEWARE THE SLEEPING DRAGON', i think he was right.
    Young Simmo
    19th May 2013
    11:43pm
    catsahoy, After a 6 day break down in Perth away from my puter, I come back and see after a million comments, you are the only one making sense. I promise not to try and crash into Sri Lanka, if they promise to stay away from Aus.
    Anonymous
    19th May 2013
    11:46pm
    Aawww

    19th May 2013
    11:50pm
    Yep my partner is a Real estate agent. Covering Annandale
    Anonymous
    20th May 2013
    12:59pm
    Why I earth did I post that must have had too much red
    Anonymous
    20th May 2013
    12:59pm
    Why I earth did I post that must have had too much red
    Young Simmo
    20th May 2013
    1:04pm
    Pete you are still not making sense, maybe the problem is not enough red.
    aquatrek
    20th May 2013
    7:36pm
    Annandale has heaps of red - right next to Italian Leichhardt where I dwelled in a sea of red awhile back. Now I suck in ozone along with the red at Manly.

    20th May 2013
    12:42pm
    An orderly migration scheme is what I believe the majority of people want. What is upsetting people in my opinion anyway, is the way people are just arriving here ahead of millions waiting resettlement in overeas camps and in many cases being very demanding and knowing exactly what goodies are available to them on arrival.. The cost is blowing out all the time and what is the answer if they keep coming not in hundreds but in thousands.

    We have 24 m illion in this country and I understand there is only person now working to support one on welfare. The country will be unable to afford it as other areas will have to be cut back or abandoned.

    5 years after arrival in Australia over 90% are still on welfare and if they all continue to have large families which appears the norm one does not have to be Einstein to see the eventual outcome.
    Taskid
    20th May 2013
    12:59pm
    Radish
    Well the expectation should be that all who come do some form of work, just as we should expect from our unemployed people. There is plenty of work out there, it might not be as flash as some "want" but it is time to stop giving into "wants" and look instead at needs. That should start with Australians and be the expectation of all who settle here. Settlement in the big cities for migrants should be not an option. They are overcrowded already. Our small country towns languish for the need of new people - they come they settle where they are told is available. Our terms not theirs. That is the problem, no thought, no vision, no planning. Too many young uni trained bureaucrats who have no idea what real work is.
    catsahoy
    20th May 2013
    6:51pm
    hi young sommo, good to hear you are back, this whole subjet has gone on too long, i feel, and now real answer. no matter what we say, the pollies will have there way, / turn them back is the only way as i see it. next subject please. taskid, yes, send them into unpopulated areas, let them dig and grow there own vegies, give them a pair of goats, pair of sheep and cows and let them go from there, .
    Taskid
    20th May 2013
    6:59pm
    catsahoy Many refugees are more used to hard work than a lot of Australians. I am sure if we encouraged them to take to the land we would be pleasantly surprised.
    aquatrek
    20th May 2013
    7:31pm
    catsahoy: great concept [a sort of 'if only'] but just not practical as all land accounted for and NSW going into drought conditions again. It will be up to the new government to attempt too sort it all out.
    Young Simmo
    20th May 2013
    10:35pm
    This whole Bull-**t subject has only one ending while we are being screwed by that BLOODNUT. Free Mobile phones so the bloodsuckers can ring other bloodsuckers and say, "Come to Australia, they are so generous, we don't pay for anything".
    sensible senior
    25th May 2013
    6:58pm
    this government is also supplying free lawyers so that they can sue us. try and get legal aid for aussies and you have buckleys.
    catsahoy
    22nd May 2013
    11:09pm
    taskid ,i am well aware they are used to hard work, i did not mean my comment as a ]tongue in cheek remark, i was quite serious. put them on the outskirts, and give them the tools they need, and the livestock as i said, and let them start . let them know the only way to get ANYTHING, is to work for it, they cannot come here and expect everything handed to them, which seems to be the case, it may help as a bit of a deterrant,
    aquatrek
    22nd May 2013
    11:11pm
    why do you bother to respond to the horses head stupid comments ?
    Young Simmo
    22nd May 2013
    11:18pm
    aquatrek, I am sure that catsahoy's answer would be, Tasked is a Tasmanian. And by the year 2500 they should be starting to catch up to the rest of us. Mind you by then, all us normal Aussie humans will probably be taking annual leave on Mars.
    aquatrek
    22nd May 2013
    11:39pm
    maybe plate tectonics will have separated them even further away so that no bloody chance of inbreeding with the mainland relatives will occur - maybe they will join up eventually with the sheep lovers to the east ?
    aquatrek
    22nd May 2013
    11:42pm
    looks like they have all had their happy happy sleep pills and are tucked up in their flannelet sheets, thermal underwear, bed socks, hot water bottles and electric 'broiling' blankets - not a Black Caviar stayer amongst them all !! namaste
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    8:09am
    120 million people on the planet who have no state, 50 million registered refugees and we moan about a handful finding their way here. What sort of self-indulgent people are Australians becoming? Man is in the biggest mess ever, all of his own making.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:21am
    On the upside I saw on tv this morning the heartwarming story of a woman who had fostered over 300 children throughout her life. A diamond among the fool's gold of our nation.
    aquatrek
    23rd May 2013
    9:06am
    For the intrinsically mentally sick negatives amongst us pls gloat over these:
    http://listverse.com/2012/03/02/top-10-worst-moments-in-human-history/
    Note that these are essentially all religious based
    OR
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
    OR
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091208204952AAS7ooC
    By a history major academic student:
    15. Pol Pot - 3 million deaths; deliberate genocide
    14. Russian Civil War - 9 million
    13. Spanish Influenza - 100 million
    12. Annihilation of American Indians - 20 million (mostly disease)
    11. Black Plague - 100 million; halved Europe's population
    10. Fall of Ming Dynasty - 25 million
    9. Great Famine of 1876-1878 - 11 million
    8. Mongol Conquests and Tamerlane - 50 million
    7. Taiping Rebellion - 20 million
    6. Stalin - 30million
    5. Slavery
    4. An Lushan Revolt - 36 Million; population of China halved
    3. Holocaust -12 million; deliberate genocide
    2. Mao Zedong - 40 Million
    1. WWII - 55 Million

    To counter the mentally sick persistent doom and gloom proponents get stuck into this lot - you might be at it for quite awhile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness

    Australia is not geared up to take any more refugees of any type than it does at present.
    The asylum seeker holding 'pens' are full to overflowing. The integration processes of refugees into the Australian community is a mess; ever since the ALP came to governance.

    Every nation has rules in place to control the flow of people. There is no known nation on earth that just allows anyone to enter and stay permanently. Therefore Australia has every right to control its huge borders as best it can.
    catsahoy
    23rd May 2013
    9:38pm
    this is the trouble, what we have been talking about for DAYS, they do not patrol the shores,if they did, why are they getting in, IF THE PATROLS DID WHAY THEY SHOULD, THEY WOULD TURN THEM BACK. but people are saying we not charitable if we do, this is the only solution, if they do not land on shore they cannot get in , they will have to go backor go to other shores, i know this sounds simplistic, but it has to be done, and dont go answering me by saying im heatless or uncaring,im not, but we need a solution, this is it,
    aquatrek
    23rd May 2013
    10:05pm
    apparently catsahoy you have no spacial concept of the maritime challenge !
    Now I am not about to attack any gender attributes at all but the whole linear northern Oz coastline and the associated ocean space between Oz and Indonesia is extraordinarily MASSIVE. Get out an atlas and take a look.
    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/australia-administrative-map.htm

    My son was Navy and involved with the interceptions. If it was say the solid steel built and radar reflective Queen Mary SHIP a cupla hundred meters long then there may have been a small chance but a tinyl wooden non-radar reflective BOAT of say 15 meters then no chance at all or very very slim.
    Just how many patrol boats or aircraft in the skies do you think that we have 24/7. I will let you go find that out for yourself.
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    9:08am
    Dead true catsahoy,the Australian people no matter what race colour or creed are very charitable,considering we have such a small population i think we do enough.
    I realise Carrot Top in Canberra has to Kow-Tow marginally to Indonesia to protect our northern border,but,and a big but,why give the Indonesian Govmint so much control over our immigration policy?
    If we did not support Indonesia financially then some other country would "Be In Like Flynn" then it would be a problem.
    Imagine if China or Russia gave them support then we would be in strife.
    Carrot Top is very weak,she could not organise a piss up in brewery!
    Turn Christmas Island into a Military Base,pretty simple,or give it back to the British Govmint and let them worry about it,its past its useby date anyway,there is no more phosphate mining going on,why not get everyone off and put some anthrax on it,or,a small A Bomb?Why not?
    catsahoy
    24th May 2013
    9:51pm
    aquqtrak, i do realise the size of our borders, and i agree not all the boats will be detected, but something has to be done, im not saying i have the solution, just putting forward my ideas, i know i will have people shouting at me over my next comment, but if one boat that said they were in trouble was left, it may deter others from coming, harsh i know, but just what do we have to do to stop them, nothing so far has worked, not that much has been done, .billieknows yes we are a charitable nation, to much so it seems and this is what they are playing on, . where the hell does people think these people will end up? on welfare for life, there is a shortage of hospitals, schools, JOBS, [how about the latest at fords] we dont have the infastructure to cope with the people here now, so whats going to happen. we cannot continue to sustain these people who give nothing back to the community, except grief . i have said before and will say again, UNTIL THIS COUNTRY CAN SAY IT HAS FULL EMPLOYMENT AND NO HOMELESS, the immigration of ANYONE needs to stop, when i say full employment, we will never have that as we have parts of the community that will never work, but people who want jobs should be able to work, and be housed, these people are prepared to live in ghettos , is this what we want? dont think so, if a civil war is what you want, i dont think its to far off, the average man in the street do not want these illegals here, . your right about the ranga billyknows, couldnt run a chook raffle,
    aquatrek
    24th May 2013
    10:15pm
    catsahoy - I think that 95% of this proud Oz nation is in as much despair as you and I are. Since K707 dismantled the policies in place at the time the whole scenario has gone rapidly downhill. Malaysia, Indonesia and the ALP are the current manipulators of the people smuggling. My son has had mental issues since his involvement with intercepting the 'not lawful' boats and has had to leave the Navy. When a group of Navy personnel take over one of these vessels they do so in utmost fear of their own and their mates lives. The general public have no feckin idea at all. It is a WAR.
    catsahoy
    24th May 2013
    10:43pm
    aquatrek, i feel true sympathy for your son. one can only imagine what the men and women in our forces have to see and endure, these people dont care who they fight, it is there way of life, unfortunate as that is, its what they know, some may say i sound inhumane, but i truly believe that leaving them there , to the elements will be the only deterant, i wont take many, they will soon get the message and find some other silly buggers to take them, i really do care about others, and try to give as much as i can to our charities i do volunteer work with the homeless and poorer people by giving my time to a meals program where we try to see that anyone who needs meals gets them, we use our own resourses to do this, nothing from the govt. it all comes from our own pockets, so some days we dont have as much as we would like, but we do our best. why should we give so much to these people who have done nothing for this country when we have so much poverty of our own, i know that compared to others we are pretty well off, but i see people every day who have no food, no bed, and no possessions and i must ask, why are they allowed to come here and IMMEDIATLY,get almost a thousand dollars a fortnight, free medical and all the other perks , it just is not right, i do hope your son gets all the help he needs, and gets well,
    aquatrek
    24th May 2013
    11:11pm
    my only response is that the forthcoming change of government will put this Oz ship back on a course that will steer it well into the future. The most annoying facit of all of this is that it takes time to properly, decently, resolve while people continue to suffer, despair and even die.
    I dont really want to mention this but it is an example of what the people in Oz are facing - the radical Islamic murder of the serviceman in London yesterday. Barbaric.
    catsahoy
    25th May 2013
    4:03pm
    as i said earlier, i can see this ending in civil war. lets hope that the appalling incident in london will shake this gov. into doing something before this happens, i have my doubts as they are so thick headed, and spend so much time trying to 'score points' from the opposition, they have lost sight of the real problem.
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    4:22pm
    Time for a change of subject, I wrote the following into the Herald son's comment page, anybody agree with me?...."So big tough Adam Goodes gets called an Ape and falls in a heap. Why didn't he just say back to the little 13 year old girl "Pale Faced Pussy Cat", end of story. I went to school in the 1940s up north and it was 50/50 black and white kids. We all used to joke and call each other Whities and Blackies. Is Adam Goodes really offended?, or just looking for some publicity. I have heard Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard be more offensive to each other. Talk about a storm in a tea cup".
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    4:28pm
    Young Simmo
    This thread is about asylum seekers - I don't know who you are talking about - if you want to start a new topic, you should put it up as such, not just start talking gobblegook which means nothing to me. Have not a clue who Adam whatsit is.
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    4:40pm
    Hmmmm, A fairly dumb reply. Adam Good is the nick name of your funny little fantasy JESUS.
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    4:54pm
    If it is all about asylum seekers, how come you mention Jesus 100 times a day at least. I rest my statement.....DUMB.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    4:58pm
    Young simmo Yes I have to mention Him frequently as you appear to be a slow learner. But as you say "dumb" is your problem.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    4:45pm
    Young Simmo Well you appear to be well qualified to recognise "dumb". Cannot get anyone more dumb than those who kid themselves Jesus is a fantasy. I know because I was that dumb once. One day you will catch up.
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    5:13pm
    OK, I can't sink this low any more, time to untick for today...... Actualy I mentioned dumb first, try and be original when I come back tomorrow..... I have to go and drink to the Eagles flogging of poor old Sheeds and his Sydney school boys.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    5:19pm
    Young Whatever. Guess you have to have something to amuse you. :0) Dumb is as dumb does.
    catsahoy
    25th May 2013
    5:21pm
    didnt watch the footy simmo, i only watch THE MIGHTY SAINTS, play today ,but not televised, i did see an interview with goodes today, apparently some young girl called him an ape, .dont know if he was particularly offended himself, i think the message he was trying to give was that its unacceptable to use these racial terms,on anyone, you would think that footballers were a bit more thick skinned about these issues, i dont think its right for ANYONE ,to be called these names, when i came out from england for awhile i was called a pom, i never worried me,but this kind of name calling is not done in a jovial way, to me it is a kind of bullying, i wouldnt like my young grandchildren going to the footy or anywhere and using these terms, it is what is called manners, which seem to be lacking in a lot of people nowdays, in the days you are talking about it was almost a term of mateship if you were called pommy or whatever, todays racial taunts are meant to be hurtful, there is a difference, goode said, [this child must have heard the expression at home, so if parents speak like this, its natural the kids will pick it up,. goode is not an immigrant,[ i dont think, isnt he indiginous] so if this is what is said of our own, imagine what they say about the boat people,while i agree they shoudnt be here, name calling is not the way to make them go away,
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    5:36pm
    catsahoy, to me it not what the young girl said so much, as the media beat up and Adam Goodes carrying on like she shot him. Millions of kids say allsorts of things as a joke and get over it. If an indigeonous person called me a White Pig, I would just say OK. But then maybe white people have thicker skins. To me it is a big joke, to the Press it is bigger than the Muslim thing in the UK.
    sensible senior
    25th May 2013
    7:04pm
    i agree Young Simmo if someone takes the mickey out of me i just say whatever
    Young Simmo
    25th May 2013
    7:46pm
    Yes Sensible Senior Adam Goodes is supposed to be a big brave AFL player and a little girl calls him a name and he goes to pieces. Anyway I think Ape was a compliment.
    catsahoy
    25th May 2013
    8:46pm
    SIMMO, YES I AGREE THE MEDIA CAUSE A LOT OF UNNESSACERY HYPE, AND DO OVER REACT, to be honest ,i havent read the article in the paper, have it hear, but i dont usually follow those rants,sensible senior, its not just a case of taking the mickey, i dont think these rants are meant to be in fun, they are meant to be hurtful, this is what i dont agree with, yes he should have had a thicker hide, but it has been published enough so anyone should know that these comments will not be tolerated at sporting events, im not saying this, they are the rules laid down by the sporting bodies,we are becoming a bunch of pussies,[ the younger generation anyway] we are governed as if we are all children, being told what we can and cant do at every turn. but this will be old news tomorrow. they will be picking on someone else,
    catsahoy
    26th May 2013
    3:00pm
    young simmo and billieboy, im sure you are overjoyed by todays paper[ NOT] 6 PAGES ON THIS GOODE THING, A BIT MUCH I THINK. WHILE I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID, I DONT THINK THE MEDIA NEED TO CARRY ON LIKE THIS, THE GIRL APOLOGISED, THAT SHOULD BE THE END OF IT,
    Young Simmo
    26th May 2013
    4:42pm
    Yes as far as I am concerned it was a non event, for a supposedly big tough AFL footballer, he fell in a heap and cried like a baby. White kids have been calling each other names for a million years, and when I watched this circus I almost vomited. If an Indigenous person called me a white pig I would laugh.
    Young Simmo
    26th May 2013
    5:12pm
    When you read this story,,,,,,,,http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/another-collingwood-supporter-caught-yelling-racist-remarks-during-afls-indigenous-round/story-e6frg1yl-1226650754865 ,,,,,,,It is obvious that a 13 year old girl is the easiest target.


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