Will you get a pension payment?

Xenophon’s deal to pass company tax legislation is parochial and short term.

In an extended sitting of the Senate last Friday, a partial endorsement of the Coalition’s company tax cut legislation included one-off payments for singles and couples who receive the Age, Disability or Carer pension.

The original legislation, the centrepiece of the Coalition’s May 2016-17 budget, involved $50 billion worth of tax cuts for all Australian companies. But it seemed unlikely the crossbench would endorse such legislation, so protracted negotiations between Senator Mathias Cormann and the three Nick Xenophon senators have produced a compromise – the cuts in company tax will be applied to all companies with turnover up to $50 million.

In exchange, the Xenophon team has extracted promises of a one-off payment to those receiving an Age Pension, Disability Pension or Carer Pension as recompense for sharply rising electricity prices. The payments of $75 for singles and $125 for couples will be announced in the May 9 Federal Budget and are expected to be paid ‘this winter’ according to Senator Xenophon. They are projected to cost the Federal Government around $260 million and at this stage are unfunded.

Other concessions gained by the Xenophon team include funding for a loan for a solar thermal plant in Port Augusta in South Australia and a study into the benefits of a pipeline between South Australia and the Northern Territory.

Read the detail of this bill and the concessions gained by Senator Xenophon’s team

Opinion: Pension payments are a sugar hit, not policy

So, after long hours of wrangling, the Xenophon team have managed to reduce the cost of proposed business tax cuts from almost $50 billion to $24 billion by applying cuts only to companies with turnover up to $50 million. In exchange nearly 3.5 million welfare recipients will get a one-off sugar hit of $75 (or $125 for couples). And some South Australian citizens will get a power plant and a study. Yep, that’s it folks – two state-based concessions, a report and the equivalent of a massage or good night out for pensioners. It’s hardly well thought-out policy by the Xenophon team – just a short term ‘lolly’ for pensioners and evidence that Nick Xenophon is more interested in getting his party re-elected than longer term benefits for the Australian public.

How so? Let’s consider the current rhetoric from the Coalition, in particular the Prime Minister and Treasurer, that we can no longer afford the cost of the Age Pension, that the ‘dependency’ ratio is getting worse and that we desperately need to balance our books. But apparently, the proposed company tax cuts – which would have cost, in full, over a period of ten years, $50 billion – were okay. While access to the Age Pension, according to the Turnbull Government, should be tightened and the expensive and faulty Centrelink robo-debt recovery program is somehow fair.

At best, most economic commentators have agreed that the company tax cuts could only ever deliver a marginal increase in GDP over a very long period. It seems that the Coalition is happy to believe that a tax cut for business will automatically result in increased investment and extra staff being hired, thus benefits for all will flow. Yet credible international research into the ‘trickle down’ theory, whereby incentives to business and the well-off eventually result in benefits for the poor, show this actually does not happen.

Hoping business owners will automatically reinvest this tax cut sounds like Darryl Kerrigan in The Castle – they’re dreaming! And a one-off payment of $75 or $125 will make little difference to those struggling week in, week out on fixed retirement incomes. Sorry Nick, we need to fix the system not push for thought bubble trade-offs. What a wasted opportunity.

What do you think? Are you happy with the Xenophon Party’s negotiation on the company tax cuts or do you think they could have extracted much more from the Government? Will the one-off energy payments make a difference in your life?

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    hmmm
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:32am
    Kay it depends on whether YOUR glass is half full, or half empty. It's possible to be grateful for the scraps thrown, and without shooting ourselves in the foot continue to go for FAIR.
    Me thinks anyway.
    pault
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:36am
    OK to be critical of NXT but surely the main focus should be on the two major parties who seem incapable of reaching a sensible agreement to the benefit of the nation. Each of LNP and Labor appear only to throw spears at each other. Labor surely could have talked to LNP on a deal to pass tax cuts in exchange for some other major concession - eg Capital Gains or similar. The only reason that NXT, One Nation or The Greens come into the argument is the lack of co-operation between the big boys.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:16pm
    Absolutely. .the difference is that the LNP in opposition under Tony Abbott supported numerous legislated proposals put forward by the ALP in government but not an ounce reciprocal.
    Bill Shorten and Labor backed by the Greens are the ultimate schmucks, consequently the country is a state of total sufferance.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:21pm
    And oh yes....what is that bottom line again?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2017
    8:05am
    And the LNP has blown the deficit completely, but still blames Labor, supported by the tunnel-visioned who can't ever accept that the LNP has lost the plot.

    Labor SHOULD reject bad policy. The fact that the LNP can't seem to devise any good policy is not grounds for demanding Labor just endorse whatever is put before them.

    I don't like Labor at all, and as for the Greens - well, the ONLY policy those irresponsible idiots endorsed was the worst one of all. It screwed retirees who saved and will drive welfare costs higher, because the incentives to manipulate are now so strong and the penalties for doing what's good for the nation so harsh that even the most honest retirees are now feeling foolish for being responsible and wondering how to reconcile with their conscience and avoid unfair hardship.

    Bottom line is the tax cuts should NEVER have been approved under any conditions - sweetener or not. The country can't afford them. And what the LNP did in opposition has nothing to do with the issue.

    We need two massive changes in this nation:

    (1) a competent team in government who can come up with policies that benefit the nation - and who actually WANT to (as opposed to engaging in social engineering to feed themselves and their buddies

    (2) a competent and conscionable opposition focused on ensuring the policies that are approved are the right ones for the nation, and that no amount of ''sweetheart deals'' or bribes will work to get bad policy across the line.

    I'm not holding my breath!
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:38am
    Looks like my electricity bill has just gone up again to pay for this.
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:29pm
    Someone has to pay OG and it looks like me again too.

    Personally I'm getting a tad tired of all the politicians games.
    buby
    6th Apr 2017
    1:07pm
    YEs me too Rae, So don't forget WE need to vote differently to Give them that strong message. or they won't pull their head in. and its about time they attacked some of the bigger spenders that are venturing into our waters. INstead of picking on the small persons, that don't have super, and how the hell are we too pay for our electricty and gas and exetra?? and i just want to know how will the homeless survive where will they live! the Elderly are still be ignored, so unfair the whole system. While smart alecs like hockey's go overseas and can have their money tooo!!!YEH something NOT kosha, and they would say in some circles???
    Tom Tank
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:55am
    It is really simple in that it is all about the politics. The continual harping on about pensions is typical of right wing pollies who always look at the outgoings and not at where they can improve the income.
    There is huge scope to improve the bottom line but the LNP are too frightened to upset their supporters, especially there financial ones.
    HDRider
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:56am
    The Xenophon Party has lost the plot, the man is a total fool, and a week one at that!
    How the hell will $75 help an old person with heating in winter? Have these cretins got any idea of reality and how much the elderly are receiving from pension etc and how much these bills are?
    Won't matter to me either way, I got rows of solar and loads of sun.....but, I havent lost touch with reality. Time we reined in these pollies and took something off of them, they are a disgrace to the Nation, Turnbull, he's just there so everyone knows his name, hopefully they will at the next election and all the wrong people will know his name
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:59am
    Be thankful that your electricity is not going up instead to pay for this.
    HDRider
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:21am
    Old Geezer, my bills are low enough to cope, I think of the people amongst us who cannot cope, the one these Pollies have never met! My power goes up, they will claw the money back anyway they can, only the poor will suffer as always.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:23am
    Why should self funded retirees have to pay more when some are earning less on their investments than the OAP?
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:32pm
    Earning less certainly and a lot of it due to all the parties ganging up on savers to fund their incompetence and stoke their ideological beliefs. These parties have been a disaster for a lot of hard working savers retirements.
    libsareliars
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:57pm
    I agree with you HDRider, Xenophon makes a lot of noise about looking after ordinary folk but if you look at how he votes it's always with the LNP - I don't know why he doesn't just join them and be done with it. He's a disgrace.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:59pm
    OG we are continually told by pollies that electricity will go up, especially in Vic and NSW after the closure of the Hazelwood Plant, closed down by its French owners not Australian govt.
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:44pm
    We were ensured emphatically that privatisation would lower prices and increase efficiency. What happened?
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:32pm
    Holy Hell libsareliars, Nick Saxophonist is more left than the connection on your BBQ. Catch up on your politics and get with the grove.
    I call Nick a Saxophonist because he is always blowing his trumpet.
    buby
    6th Apr 2017
    1:13pm
    We were ensured emphatically that privatisation would lower prices and increase efficiency. What happened?

    YES rae, they seem to tell us so much bull, we should be having lower prices, but PRivatisation, is probably the worst thing we could have done. ITs UPped everything. Anything that is PRivatised, will keep the prices UP, as we are experiencing with phones, and utilities, they really think as we get older we are getting more stupid, perhaps a bit slower, but we a wake up to them!! They really need to Stop that Privatization thing. ITs all a load of bull.
    All its doing is giving the business a lot of money, and we then in turn have to find more to pay our bills. Its a Dreadful stressful cycle they have put us into. And SO unnecessary
    HDRider
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:56am
    The Xenophon Party has lost the plot, the man is a total fool, and a week one at that!
    How the hell will $75 help an old person with heating in winter? Have these cretins got any idea of reality and how much the elderly are receiving from pension etc and how much these bills are?
    Won't matter to me either way, I got rows of solar and loads of sun.....but, I havent lost touch with reality. Time we reined in these pollies and took something off of them, they are a disgrace to the Nation, Turnbull, he's just there so everyone knows his name, hopefully they will at the next election and all the wrong people will know his name
    Captain
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:57am
    The equivalent of 2 months electricity at most. If you are on an aged pension and 65, that means another 300 or so months of payments (with increases each year of course).
    HarrysOpinion
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:59pm
    Really? 2 months? Who pays $37.50 per month for electricity? More like 1 summer month at best. Winter bills are around $250 -$350 per month !!!!
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:36pm
    My winter bills are about half my simmer bills.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:47pm
    Where do you live OG, WHAT DO YOU DO TO KEEP WARM?, STAY IN BED UNDER THE DOONAS WITH THE ELECTRIC BLANKET ON?,, my sister does that on really cold days, she is a single pensioner and can't afford to have the gas going all day, she lives in the Blue Mountains. Sorry about the capitols I wasn't looking and don't have time to retype.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:46pm
    It is only cold enough here for about 2 weeks in winter to light the fire at night. I can't remember ever lighting it during the day. In summer living on top of a hill with a sea breeze makes it cooler than the surrounding area. I don't even have an electric blanket and up at daylight every day and stay up until after midnight. For the first few years after I moved here I didn't even bother with any heating during winter but I guess I feel the cold a bit more due to may age. I usually walk a couple of kilometres every morning which helps get the circulation going and warms me up for the rest of the day.
    Charlie
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:59am
    They could make the $75 payment every year. After all I will be using electricity next year as well
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:20am
    You already get over $200 a year off yo electricity bill. Some people whinge no matter how much they get.
    Triss
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:07pm
    OOh, careful, Old Geezer, you've just been whinging about self funded retirees having to pay more.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:08am
    $75 is less than "30 pieces of silver" NXT.

    Clearly crossed to the dark side "to sup' with the [major parties] devil". Your bull*** here simply shows you're really the Australian Democrats, just mark II.

    An obvious demonstration you're only interested in getting re-elected. You've offered nothing but contempt for the vulnerable in our community. How dare you. You don't have to worry about your retirement as your Superannuation Guarantee, paid by all of us, including our most vulnerable, continues to be contributed at 18% of your salary. Ours was frozen at 9.5% in the 2014 "Smokin' Joe" Budget you VOTED to approve. It won't begin to rise again until at least 2023. "A plague on your house".
    HDRider
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:23am
    Well said that man
    libsareliars
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:59pm
    He always crosses to the dark side and votes with LNP, always. He's a Lib. in all but name.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:38pm
    libsareliars, that's not what happened with the 18C reform just recently, the Saxophonist killed it, a stupid law made for stupid people.
    Eddy
    4th Apr 2017
    12:53am
    Sorry to correct you Waiting to retire at 70, but politicians contribute 18% of their salary and get the 9% Super Guarantee on top of that. Note of course that 18% of a backbenchers near $200000 pa salary is about $36000 per year that they contribute from their salaries. Doesn't that make you feel sorry for them!
    SuziJ
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:12am
    Why don't you people who complain about the cost of electricity do something about it? There are some companies out there at the moment offering up to 35% discount for paying on-time. Mine gives me an 18% discount - that's the GST plus some for paying my bills on-time. I pay mine every fortnight, then don' have to find the money at the end of the quarter.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:21am
    35% off what?
    PlanB
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:24am
    I already get that discount for paying on time SuziJ I have always paid my bills on time
    Triss
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:10pm
    Unfortunately, I'm not a very trusting person, SuziJ. We've had solar panels for some time now and the refund has gradually got less and less which makes it a helluva long time to get your outlay back.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:04pm
    The more power prices rise the more economically batteries become. More batteries equals less power needed so they have to keep putting up prices to get some return.
    pault
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:22am
    LNP have policy to cut the Energy Supplement which is around $350 per year. NXT have stated that they will OPPOSE this cut which assistS pensioners each year. I cannot understand why people are blaming NXT when at least Nick has gained something more than anyone else has gained. It is the GOVERNMENT who are wanting to CUT things FROM PENSIONERS!!!
    Ask the people in Pt Augusta about the $110million loan for a solar thermal plant in that city - they are pleased that NXT have gained something to revitalise the region. There are other things that NXT have also persuaded the Government to move towards in the energy arena which is also something the LNP have continually ignored. BLAME THE GOVERNMENT - THEY ARE THE PROBLEM
    Eddy
    4th Apr 2017
    12:58am
    Sen X is to SA what Sen Harradine was to Tasmania. Sen H was able to squeeze concessions for Tasmania in exchange for his vote, this is the nature of politics.
    downunder
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:25am
    Thanks, but thanks for nothing. An ongoing payment would have been useful. A one-off is just a drop in the ocean. NXT has just - again - sold out to the LNP
    jonbusso
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:29am
    Hmmm ---Let me get this right----This was announced APRIL 1st----Hahaha---$75 indeed---whoopee !!!!!!!!
    maelcolium
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:32am
    I have completely lost confidence with NXT over this deal. After railing against corporate tax cuts for months he capitulated at the last moment for what - a piddling one off handout and another committee to report on high energy prices. What a weak kneed deal to strike while opening up the potential for the Government to regulate the new rate to all corporates which is their stated goal.
    As I see it the problem is that ALL political parties have no concept of macroeconomics and the social outcomes that occur through poor public policy. The tax cut will not stimulate the economy - businesses invest when demand is improving and we all know that demand is sliding towards recession, so the tax cuts will find their way into profits and not workers' wages. Just like the cuts to penalty rates will dampen demand because the lower aggregate demand will lower tax receipts and make the deficit worse, not better. They haven't learned anything with low interest rates and the same principle applies with lowering corporate taxes - neither encourage businesses to invest in a low demand environment. Just plain ignorant politicians fumbling around making the problem worse and yet they are keen to slash welfare which is another dampener of demand.
    So sorry Nick. You're a good looking chap, but proven yourself to be a dill. My vote goes elsewhere next time around.
    libsareliars
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:56pm
    Spot on
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:53pm
    I have to agree. Corporate profits have been increasing dramatically, and so far little investment in growth has been seen.

    Companies have larger cash holdings and are buying back shares and paying down debt. Increasing dividends and Senior salaries and bonuses.

    Banks are still closing up. Mine will shortly and I've passed several recently boarded up.

    If profit rises of 20.1% doesn't inspire investment and hiring then a 5% tax cut on discounted taxes certainly won't as far as I can see.
    nena
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:34am
    What a sad situation we live in...having such immature politicians or it is another more sinister affairs...$75...!!!it makes me wanted to trow up in their f..s.
    Gra
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:34am
    Easy to dump on “trickle down” and to claim that “most economic commentators have agreed that the company tax cuts could only ever deliver a marginal increase in GDP over a very long period.” There are also plenty of economists who acknowledge that company tax rates are one of the factors (no-one has ever claimed they are the only factor), that corporates take into account when making investment decisions. And when you have competing investment destinations with lower company tax rates, it makes sense to ensure that yours are competitive.

    I think pault is on the money when he says the main focus should be on the two major parties who seem incapable of reaching a sensible agreement to the benefit of the nation. The state of our national politics needs fixing.

    Hmm is also right. To the extent that Xenophon broke a logjam and in the process got some extras for his state, well good on him. At a time when our vote seemingly counts for nothing (remember Turnbull went to the election with a corporate tax reduction promise, and he won the election, just) unfortunately it seems we have to be grateful for little scraps. As a pensioner I am grateful for anything nowadays!

    Wouldn’t it be good to go back to the days when politics was issues focused and policies were based on principles and when national debate and commentary was more than name calling.
    Mad as Hell
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:37am
    $125 gets me 33 cans of Pal goes a long way on toast. Thanks Mal and Nick.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:49am
    You can afford Pal then the they are paying you too much.
    Mad as Hell
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:13pm
    OG the shill, you're a hoot.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:46pm
    You're such a Mad Dog Mad as Hell!
    Luv your work.
    Stof
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:38am
    Old Geezer, there you go again. Please change the record if you really are an old geezer you might understand the metaphor. I doubt it though!
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:48am
    You mean that record that says no matter what people get they always want more?
    Batara
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:58pm
    No OG, the record that says if you are OK you want to make sure no one else gets enough. Keep the buggers down. Stuff you Jack, I'm OK, would be top of your hit parade.
    inextratime
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:40am
    OG, one minute you boast about how financially competent you are then you start complaining about having to pay more ! Can't have both ways old man. Surely that 400 grand you have stashed provides for a slight interest in electricity bills or maybe you just like to see your name in 'lights''.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:46am
    I disagree why should I pay more under what is supposed to be a user pay system. You use it you pay. I use it I pay more. That doesn't seem fair to me at all. Time to buy some batteries instead of paying excess for electricity me thinks.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:55am
    When it fines up I'm off to town and I take the trailer to pick up some free wood washed down in the floods to burn on to keep me warm this winter. I'll do my bit in the big clean up.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:00pm
    Thats ok OG if you can afford it, the price of batteries is still too high for me so I will wait until they come down in price.
    4065
    3rd Apr 2017
    11:56am
    Kaye, you wrote that "Nick Xenophon is more interested in getting his party re-elected than longer term benefits for the Australian public." Does this surprise you? You could substitute any of the current crop of politicians names and be just as accurate. The problem is none of them have the vision and the leadership implement the policies that are needed to turn this around.
    Pass the Ductape
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:09pm
    Hah! Is the proposed one-off payment of $75 or $125 to compensate pensioners for the increases already experienced in the cost of electricity - or is it more likely to be the case that electricity companies will simply see these additional payments to pensioners, as another way to raise the cost of electricity once again - so as to further increase their annual dividends to their shareholders?
    Culgoa
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:12pm
    We have the most appalling mob of politicians ( all parties) that I have seen in my long lifetime. Driven by self-interest, greed, ego, hunger for power and to hell with the interests of the people. These useless overpaid cretins have no idea of the real world.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:14pm
    Maybe they really do and can see past all the whingers.
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:32pm
    It's got nothing to do with who's in power at any one time. We are governed by the bureaucrats in Canberra, the faceless people that pay themselves Millions (Aust Post Boss) and advise the Muppets that we vote in every 3 - 4 years.
    Oldie84
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:13pm
    I love this site. On the one hand there are constant whinges about the inadequacy of the pension and on the other we have articles advising us how to travel the world. You really can't have it both ways. Please.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:17pm
    Anyone on the OAP should have no trouble travelling the world. Just strap on a backpack and off you go and start thumbing rides. Who can resist a little old lady with a backpack? Not a little old lady then buy yourself a dress and become one.
    Oldie84
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:20pm
    Good advise OG. But I think I'll pass. Too grumpy....
    Oldie84
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:20pm
    Good advise OG. But I think I'll pass. Too grumpy....
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:36pm
    Yes it's possible in fact I do it every winter and always dreaming to meet a little old young at heart lady with a backpack. .......and a house at Bondi.
    sticko
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:14pm
    Is this going to be weekly like the daily payment pollies get for away allowance to the tune of $200plus per night. $75.00 won't even pay for 2 weeks supply.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:19pm
    Gee I would not use that much in a month and $200 would more than pay for quarterly bill.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:16pm
    So you don't cook or use a heater, cooler etc OG, I would find that a very uncomfortable way to live, TV, computers, washing machines, microwaves, toasters, kettles, lights, heaters,Air conditioners, fidges, freezers, water boilers all cost a lot to run even if you are very careful, I do not know anyone who could manage on a $200 quarterly bill unless you use a lot of Gas too. Please tell me how you do it as I live in a cold climate and would love some tips on how to reduce my power bills.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:04pm
    Misty I have all those appliances plus more. I only use electricity no gas. My hot water is heated by the sun and I don't use the boost as I have heaps of hot water summer and winter. I have 3 air conditioners plus dozens of fans, 3 fridges and one freezer, electric cooking, computers plus numerous other devices, 2 TVs etc. In the winter I use a wood heater for about 2 weeks every winter and in the summer I open the windows and draw blinds where the sun comes in. I rarely use the air conditioners as it does not get hot enough for me to use them. I guess I just turned everything off and remove the plug when I am not using them. I like to remove the plugs due to all the electrical storms.
    KSS
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:04pm
    Misty my quarterly bill is around the $170 mark but then I do not have any aircon (I have ceiling fans that run at 1c per hour) no heating, no toaster, no separate freezer, all LED light globes, and no gas in the building. I do turn everything off at the wall when not in use (except the fridge of course) and only have lights on in the room I am in. According to my electricity bill comparison section, I use less than half the usual amount of a household my size.
    Kathleen
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:50pm
    In winter the gas for heating costs something like $1 per hour which bumps up the power bill.
    Tzuki
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:33pm
    It all boils down to the fact that someone is always going to whinge. We are all struggling and until electricity cost is policed properly and until government, federal AND state, have the balls to stand up and do something to stop the multimillion dollar companies from ripping us off, they will be voted out at next election and another one will be on trial to take action.
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:30pm
    It's got nothing to do with who's in power at any one time. We are governed by the bureaucrats in Canberra, the faceless people that pay themselves Millions (Aust Post Boss) and advise the Muppets that we vote in every 3 - 4 years.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:51pm
    Dead right RK ......it's a club!
    KB
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:46pm
    There should have been help for pensioners without any other bills being passed. 75 dollars is not enough of a concession for those of who have health problems and rely on winter heat for arthritis.
    Kathleen
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:12pm
    Yes, people have health issues like arthritis. Also, some live in colder places. We could not do without heating where we are.
    KSS
    3rd Apr 2017
    12:57pm
    42 comments already and not a single one with any acknowledgement that the proposed $75 is at least more than was on the table a week ago and far better than losing $75.

    And you can't blame Mr Xenophon holding out for a better deal for SA. That is afterall why he was elected by the voters in SA. It does show though that the whole country is being held to ransom by these minor parties and that is not in the best interests of Australia.
    Batara
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:08pm
    Or to put a different slant on the matter KSS, the minor parties are working in the best interests of Australia to protect us from bad policy that the Government is trying to inflict on the populace.

    What's the bet these morons will bring back the 2014 Budget in a few weeks then wail and gnash their teeth because it gets rejected once again, as it has been since 2014? If Mal had any integrity he would call another election since quite obviously the people have woken up to his incompetence since July 2016.
    Supernan
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:00pm
    Nick Xenophone had the chance to throw this policy out altogether. He chickened out ! Why would Labor want tax cuts for the rich ? Why would they co-operated with LNP ?
    Hymie
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:16pm
    South Australia & Tasmania are both recipients of the largese of the Australian Taxpayer in terms of the unequal GST returns. S.A. also has the lead ADF Project infrastructure and while I accept that the Federal Government has to provide clear policy guidelines for Australia's Energy Market we do not have to 'fix' S.A.'s energy difficulties caused by their flaky energy policies! With respect to their support for Company Tax Cuts the deal should have been for all companies because our tax system is fractured enough without further side deals to appease minor parties who hold a tenuous balance of power.
    Kaye Fallick
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:26pm
    We have just removed a post as it was denigrating. Let's keep the discussion robust, but not insulting. We all have strong opinions, but not at the expense of other people. Many thanks, Kaye
    dougie
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:50pm
    Thank you Kaye, it is about time those posts which are tasteless or denigrating are removed. Many seem to think it is funny to call people names or insult them or simply address them by using swear words. None of these things prove anything but the lack of courtesy which is linked to anonymity and for this reason I have forgone postings to this site for some time. More power to you Kaye.
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:05pm
    Yes. Thank you Kaye. You can refute an idea civil without attacking individuals personally.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:39pm
    Well I would have thought "snowflake" was alright but they took that away from me a few topics ago!
    Kathleen
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:53pm
    Thank you. I used to comment a good while ago but stopped because I was being attacked. Good that this is now being monitored.
    Farside
    6th Apr 2017
    11:53am
    I wish I had seen the deleted post to see what constitutes the line that shall not be crossed; it must have been a doozy. This site has many commentators quick to resort to puerile name calling that other forums would not allow.
    Bes
    3rd Apr 2017
    1:55pm
    QUOTE: Other concessions gained by the Xenophon team include funding for a loan for a solar thermal plant in Port Augusta in South Australia and a study into the benefits of a pipeline between South Australia and the Northern Territory.
    So besides the GST given to them South Australia now wants all other states of Australia to pay for a failed State Labor Government mistake of closing down it's base power production and actually demolishing it and to fund a solar thermal plant?
    Maybe they should realise that the word 'Transition' might have been adhered to instead of foolishly turning one reliable power source OFF and switching the other ON ....untested over a period of time!
    In Western Australia we've been calling for a water pipeline for years. Instigated by the late Ernie Bridge WA Labor’s Minister for Water Resources in the years between 1986 and 1993, the Hon Ernest Francis Bridge put forward the plan to pipe water from Lake Argyle WA to Kalgoorlie and then to use the existing water pipeline to Perth. The original plan was to share the building costs and thus the water with South Australia.
    BUT that would have meant two states working for a common cause?
    We also have to be very aware of the fact that altering the natural course of any water flow, whether river and/or rainy season run off, could well be detrimental to other land or even states! We have no snow bearing mountains producing water and all our water is underground........from where exactly I do not think is quite clear?
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:25pm
    I don't have a problem lowering the Company Tax Rate to make business more competitive in the World Market, what annoys me is the current Tax Evasion by some Business, local and overseas to the tune of Billions of Dollars. It's a two edged sword, if Business is going to get a lower tax rate, then make sure they pay the right amount of Tax.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:35pm
    Company tax needs to be halves to 15% for companies to pay tax in Australia and not overseas instead.
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Apr 2017
    6:33pm
    So you are saying that if we want Business to pay their legal tax obligations and not evade tax it should be reduced to 15%.
    Really?
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:48pm
    Yes until we do they will just pay their tax elsewhere in the world economy.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    7:03am
    Interesting, so if I believe an item is overpriced it's OK for me to steal it until the price is reduced to what I can buy it for overseas.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2017
    11:25am
    No their obligation is to pay tax not how much or where.
    Kathleen
    4th Apr 2017
    11:26am
    Yes, if they all paid some tax it would be so helpful to the Australian economy. The ones who are paying nothing should be the focus.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    2:24pm
    OG, my original post was about the loss of revenue due to Tax Evasion and how lowering the Tax Rate without addressing it was useless.
    It seems you are having trouble grasping that basic principal, but then again having read some of your past posts it's not surprising.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    2:24pm
    OG, my original post was about the loss of revenue due to Tax Evasion and how lowering the Tax Rate without addressing it was useless.
    It seems you are having trouble grasping that basic principal, but then again having read some of your past posts it's not surprising.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2017
    3:16pm
    The high company tax rate make it possible to minimise your tax more than you could with a lower tax rate. There is a lot of fat in it to pay very expensive accountants.
    Retired Knowall
    5th Apr 2017
    8:59am
    OG you really need to educate yourself on Basic Financial principles.
    Farside
    6th Apr 2017
    12:09pm
    Curiously the combined federal and state corporate income taxes for highly regulated California amount to 39% and much higher than Australia. California's booming economy would be ranked sixth if a country and is twice that of Australia. So much for the notion that regulation and high taxes stifle the economy.
    Misty
    6th Apr 2017
    5:03pm
    RETIRED kNOWALL i THINK THE GOVT MUST BE LISTENING TO YOU AS THEY ARE NOW GOING AFTER (Sorry about the capitols I wasn't looking), big business for the $3 Billion they owe, well good luck to them it may take a long time with drawn out court cases but hopefully they can get some back.
    Retired Knowall
    7th Apr 2017
    10:27am
    Going after past tax loss is a good step, but, fixing the loopholes that exist right now is the priority.
    Lippy
    3rd Apr 2017
    2:51pm
    $125 $125 $125 $125 Hmmmm, no matter how many times I think $125 it reminds me of Howard just before election time. Are the polls looking that bad that Mal agree's to give away money when the books are so far in the RED? Time to vote me thinks. They can keep their stupid $125. NXT, looking after S.A. only to strike a deal like this. Shame Shame Shame
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:51pm
    shame,shame,shame. ...it's just the same, same same.
    Cranky
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:08pm
    This is the first time I have seen couples get more than singles. This should happen more and until such time as couples are receiving the same aged payment pension as singles. Everybody seems to forget that two perception that two people can live cheaper than one is all b ull dust. As a member of each couple has diffent needs and in a lot of cases needs diffents foods as well as medicines and it the long run it costs them more than the single pensioner, and further more every time there is a pension rise singles always get more than couples so the gap is ever widening. It is now $230,00 a fortnight and it won't be long before it is $300.00 a fortnight and the n $400.oo a fortnight. When is discrimination against couples going to cease - Max Jackwitz
    KSS
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:41pm
    How does a couple use more electricity than a single person? Do they spend all their time in separate rooms with separate electronic goods on the go at the same time?
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:43pm
    Do they have a fridge each? Divide the house in half? Some do.
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Apr 2017
    6:35pm
    Two can live as cheaply as one.............but only for half as long.
    Cranky
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:08pm
    This is the first time I have seen couples get more than singles. This should happen more and until such time as couples are receiving the same aged payment pension as singles. Everybody seems to forget that two perception that two people can live cheaper than one is all b ull dust. As a member of each couple has diffent needs and in a lot of cases needs diffents foods as well as medicines and it the long run it costs them more than the single pensioner, and further more every time there is a pension rise singles always get more than couples so the gap is ever widening. It is now $230,00 a fortnight and it won't be long before it is $300.00 a fortnight and the n $400.oo a fortnight. When is discrimination against couples going to cease - Max Jackwitz
    Mad as Hell
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:27pm
    Agree with you Cranky. This is social engineering to make pensioners and pensioner/couples to feel they are a burden on corporate profits.
    gadsby
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:45pm
    Two people can cuddle up at night ,to keep warm,try doing that if your on your own,again another policy that has'nt been thought through .LOL
    Gunner
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:22pm
    A lolly it is. Please Sir, may I have your scraps?..created by lazy politics and accepted by a government without control and as a result, short on real fixes for the Nation. Doing deals with hawks may give a little short term joy to some but misery in the long term for all.
    jzb
    3rd Apr 2017
    3:59pm
    Why, when we obviously can't afford it, are we spending millions on bringing in refugees when rich Middle Eastern countries refuse to do so and why are we giving millions to other countries when we obviously can't afford it? Doesn't make sense to me! Why not get rid of our debt and then help others?!
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:03pm
    Didn't we have to forego the $300+ Energy Supplement every year to get the one off payment of $75.00, or have I got it wrong?.

    3rd Apr 2017
    4:12pm
    I think that Nick Xenophon is a media tart and does everything he can to get his head on the TV nightly news. It helps to get him re-elected and, I'm sure, is a part of his election strategy. I also think that senators generally have lost sight of the original concept in that they are elected to be a house of review and should only concern themselves with those matter which affect their state.

    Lambie is another who deserves our contempt. She is totally unconcerned about her role in respect of the need to be a part of the house of review. By claiming that she won't vote for any legislation put in front of her unless the government agrees to her demands is not what she was elected for. I also find it galling that an opposition will stand for election on certain policies but will then vote against the same policies when they are put forward as legislation by the government. Do we really need a senate? New Zealand appears to run well without one.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Apr 2017
    4:31pm
    The senate wants to make it's own legislation which is way outside the concept of a house of review. If senators want to make legislation they should get themselves elected in the lower house instead.
    Triss
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:00pm
    Dead right, Old Geezer.
    Rae
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:10pm
    Exactly OG.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:33pm
    With you OM & OG.
    and what's the bottom line again, ....out of control!
    gadsby
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:41pm
    No we dont need the senate ,and we dont need state governments,imagine (john Lennon) if we did away with those two forms of government,how many less snouts would be in the trough.?
    Mad as Hell
    4th Apr 2017
    7:23am
    OMG I agree with OM and OG re the Senate

    3rd Apr 2017
    5:15pm
    So, in relation to the opinion published above, you are saying that when the US and other advanced economies have a tax rate either below ours, or heading that way, that we can stay internationally competitive, and attract new investment into this country? Not sure where you got your economic credentials, but would appear to me you may have rifled through the bottom of several corn flake packets for them! We need to wake up, as a nation, and understand that globalization is, and has been upon us for quite some time. Union stupidity has driven most of our manufacturing off shore, now green zealotry is likely to finish off the rest. Give me the Howard/Costello years anyday!
    Anonymous
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:17pm
    Batten down your hatches Big Al, you're about to hit a storm of great magnitude from the Labor/Green trolls. Not a lot of substance but a whole lot of wind.
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    8:42pm
    Thank You Big Al....nice to know that some of us are not alone.
    Eddy
    4th Apr 2017
    1:12am
    Come on Big Al, it was not "union stupidity' which drove our manufacturing off shore, it was unscrupulous business people and the free trade agreements which various governments forced upon us. It is only in the last 20 years or so that so called "free trade" has destroyed our manufacturing capabilities, not trade unions.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    7:12am
    Unions have evolved from being protectors of workers rights to ensuring the Bludgers are protected and any worker that shows initiative and is willing to have a go is chastised to ensure the Bludgers are not exposed.
    Rae
    4th Apr 2017
    9:39am
    No it was the high Australian dollar, expensive and unreliable energy from privatisation and out of control land prices that crucified manufacturing. The nonsense over water and water costs hasn't helped.

    The Communists supply the land and subsidise energy at home by charging us more now they own our electrical grids.

    Admittedly slave labour in China helped as well. Not so much now as wages rise there.

    The Unions are just about dead now. You'll have to blame someone else. Even Labor has been out of power for two terms while the budget debt has been increased by 60% and you have to borrow $5 to make $1.

    Totally unsustainable and all The Business Council and LNP's fault.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    10:47am
    The Unions are just about dead because they killed the industries that they operated in.
    Eddy
    4th Apr 2017
    2:04pm
    Au Contraire Retired Knowall, I would suggest unions are having a hard time now because they were too successful in the past, not because they killed industry, our industry was mainly killed by free trade agreements and greedy businesspeople.
    Young workers today see no need to join a union as they get it all anyway, 40 hour week, sick leave, annual leave, long service leave, penalty rates, workers compensation etc etc etc.
    Retired Knowall
    4th Apr 2017
    2:28pm
    Please explain how the most effective businesses with the happiest workers are those WITHOUT UNION control.
    And why union membership is less than 14%.
    Kathleen
    4th Apr 2017
    3:14pm
    Old Man, why label people as trolls who have a different view? There are a lot of accusations against people on social media using this label. Trolls are plants paid by others who are not actually voicing an opinion but rather being paid to say a dictated stance in order to persuade and manipulate. People on here are elderly Australian who are pensioners or self funded retirees. All are entitled to their opinions whether others agree or not.

    3rd Apr 2017
    5:45pm
    As a senior person now (a baby boomer, and proud of it), my concern is the legacy we are going to leave to following generations. We have seen the rise of Green zealotry smashing jobs in mining, agriculture and forestry. There will be nothing left to tax when these Green morons have their way, thus no pensions for any readers of these articles. These are the real culprits, commanding less than 10 per cent of the national popular vote, but in Victoria at least, destroying jobs, families and livelihoods in the La Trobe Valley; and wiping out whole communities such as Heyfield. It appears to me that we are at war with our younger (foolish) generation of latte sipping inner urban yuppie zealots who think they know everything. All our pensions are at risk from these morons!
    jackyd
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:02pm
    The whole country Big Al....
    And these so and so's are loud and divisive while the LNP quietly implodes with the snachers from the left.
    Farside
    6th Apr 2017
    12:35pm
    @Big Al – can you provide examples of how the Greens have smashed jobs in mining. It's been a long time since the mining industry was about jobs. Today it is a high tech, capital intensive industry that must run efficiently to make commercial returns on commodities, frequently from lower grade deposits than was the case when it was a large employer. While there are some in the sector who criticise the environmentalists, the reality is they have ensured the miners pay attention to environmental concerns and provide funds for remediation and rehabilitation. You only need to see the long term damage that can happen when it goes wrong.

    It is likely the decisions made for closing down farming, forestry and mining activities are likely made by boomer generation however the underlying reasons are often more complex than a headline permits. A company has a right to cease operations when it becomes not uneconomic to continue, as was the case at Heyfield, or further capital investment cannot be justified, as was the case with Hazelwood in the Latrobe Valley. The risk of closure was surprise to anyone in the company. There are numerous towns throughout Gippsland that have come through a change in mining or forestry fortunes. You only have to look at the number of disused butter factories, sugar beet factories, dairy farms, canneries, sawmills and so on that used to support local communities.
    Jennome
    3rd Apr 2017
    5:46pm
    I'm more interested in why my part time pension payment gets less each time. It was $540 on 28/2, then $524 on 14/3, then $519 on 28/3. Any know why this fluctuation?
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    6:07pm
    No Jennome have you checked with your local Centrelink?.
    Sundays
    3rd Apr 2017
    6:42pm
    Is it perhaps because the income you receive has gone up? If so, then your part pension will go down
    Sundays
    3rd Apr 2017
    6:47pm
    What about those who receive half a couples pension because their spouse is too young to be a pensioner. Will they get the couples rates, the single rate, or a half couple rate of $62.50. Does anyone know
    Nomad1946
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:30pm
    What a lot of crock!? No guarantee of power, No controls on billing rates. $125 for a couple against a minimum of $500 pa increase in power charges.
    No mention re the 14% increase (actual not "average") in Health Insurance premiums ... then a lousy $8 per fortnight increase in Pension ..... Tell 'em Their Joking!!
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2017
    7:44pm
    I like your sense of humour Nomad1946.
    Kathleen
    3rd Apr 2017
    9:29pm
    An annual winter subsidy for pensioners would have been better. Giving companies a tax cut above small business size is not good though! More needs to be done to cut down on pollution especially from companies. The trickle down effect does not work and most companies will pocket the savings rather than employing more staff. Companies paying no tax should be pursued and it is not only the multinationals doing that as many Australian companies are doing it too. You can google to find the list of companies paying no tax.
    gadsby
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:34pm
    Well Grandma the Vic state government and their Green buddies must have heard your pleas to cut down pollution ,and thrown the power workers at La Trobe Valley ,and the good folk of Heyfield out of a job,anothe
    couple of thousand on the dole que ,right behind the Ford and Holden workers.
    And thats just this year.
    Kathleen
    4th Apr 2017
    1:18am
    Gadsby, the Great Barrier Reef is dying so we have to begin to take the climate issue seriously. The Oceans are heating up and the ice is melting. We could wait and do nothing and allow our planet to die but that seems a bit drastic. My voice did not close anything or take away any jobs. I have no power to do that.
    Times are changing and jobs are changing. Renewable energy may be a place to create more jobs qnd the Victorian government are working to help the people in Latrobe Valley.
    Standing up for the environment should not be a reason for attack or criticism.
    Kathleen
    Misty
    4th Apr 2017
    1:31am
    Gadsby the closure of the Hazelwood plant was done by the French owners and even the Coalition Govt was not interested in putting in money to re start it either as coal or gas so don't just blame the Vic govt and the Greens and the closure of Ford and Holden, well the Coalition did nothing to help keep them here either.
    gadsby
    4th Apr 2017
    7:12am
    Well kathleen ,Al Gore is coming to explain it all for us,and he'scoming on a polluting aeroplayne ,and hes not doing it for free.
    Misty any more excuses for the Vic state government?????
    Misty
    4th Apr 2017
    11:13am
    Gadsby ask your Federal Govt why they didn't chip in to help out, Tony Abbott thought it was a good idea.
    gadsby
    4th Apr 2017
    9:14pm
    Misty havent you worked it out yet,politicians of both colours,are only in it for them selves,do you still believe what these people tell you????????.
    i wish i was like you.
    Farside
    6th Apr 2017
    12:40pm
    @Gadsby - the Vic government did not close Hazelwood, although it did play a part in ensuring the owners paid too much when it privatised the facility. Simply, it has become uneconomic to continue in a financial sense, and undesirable in an environmental sense. These factors were unacceptable to its French owner and it made a sensible decision after monitoring the likelihood of this outcome for at least the past five years.
    Oldman Roo
    3rd Apr 2017
    10:05pm
    Nothing more than another shilly-shally attempt by a Government short of economic skills , but keen and eager to please the wealthy at the expense of the low income earners and battlers . Anybody believing enough of this will eventually trickle it,s way down to benefit the working class got to be kidding themselves .
    Part Pensioners are stripped to poverty level , Billions wasted on this White Elephant , not to forget the 50 Billion earmarked for Submarines that we will no longer need when the Chinese will just about own Australia . Yet the cries of poverty continue in order to fleece us completely .
    The Xenophon team is also appears to be too aligned with the LNP and I do not think they will actually change anything to improve our political dilemma.
    Justsane
    4th Apr 2017
    1:58am
    1. It really annoys me the way that these minor parties make deals with this bad government to get the government's stupid and odious policies through. It should almost be a matter of instinct to oppose them. And often the nature of the deal has nothing to do with the policy. I actually voted for Nick Xenophon at the last Federal election. If I wanted him to vote with the coalition, I would have voted for the coalition instead. These are suppose to be alternative parties, don't they have any principles and standards?

    2. If the government wants to increase employment and economic activity, they would do much better to increase the dole, which would see an instant and sustained boost to the economy because the recipients would spend the money, rather than giving it to multi-million dollar companies, where the link between a tax cut and economic growth is tenuous at best.
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2017
    11:28am
    Senators are way out of control they should not be making policies the way they do. They are only their to keep the government under control not to run the country like they seem to do now.
    GeorgeM
    4th Apr 2017
    11:58am
    Absolutely PATHETIC deal-making by Nick Xenophon, and an insult to pensioners by giving a one-off lolly, whereas business gets ongoing tax savings!

    Instead, he could have used his bargaining position for so many improvements e.g. to make all Businesses pay a minimum tax - say an ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX (AMT) as in USA and other countries - of say 15% of all Income without shonky deductions being allowed. Then, he could also have asked for Age Pension to be paid to All Australians who paid taxes here for say 20 years without Asset & Income Tests (removing Centrelink from the process with serious cost savings), etc, etc.

    So many things could be done - but.......what a PATHETIC action by NXT!!!
    Old Geezer
    4th Apr 2017
    12:07pm
    If he wants to make legislation he needs to get a lower house seat and not do what he is doing in the upper house. He is just making a fool of himself like some others.
    Jackiei
    4th Apr 2017
    12:55pm
    The money has to be borrowed!!! I wonder if NickX would borrow money and give it to his next door neighbors for a holiday?
    He is just grand standing!
    Jackiei
    4th Apr 2017
    3:33pm
    Yes, I will receive the money however my point is it will need to be borrowed and it's adding to the country debt.
    Kelpie
    5th Apr 2017
    10:25am
    IF THE GOVERMENT HAD BALLS?? BRING IN A 20% FLAT TAX ON ALL COMPANYS INCLUDING ALL OVERSEAS COMPANYS ,AND WORKERS,SO WHEN YOU DO OVER TIME THERE IS NO TAX INCREASE IT STAYS 20%,,THEN THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE OUT OF DEBT VERY QUICKLY AND WORKERS WOULD HAVE MUCH BIGGER TAKE HOME PAY!!!
    Kathleen
    5th Apr 2017
    10:57am
    Sounds good because it would catch the ones paying zero tax now. Many of those paying no tax are Australian companies. The laws need to be changed to cover this and close all loopholes.
    Justsane
    6th Apr 2017
    2:28pm
    Kelpie,

    If there were a flat tax, it would advantage the highly paid workers and disadvantage the lowly paid, thus entrenching disadvantage and inequality.
    seagirl
    5th Apr 2017
    3:24pm
    i would like $50 a fortnight in my pension,not a one -off $125.. i could not put the air con because it cost of power we used fans over summer i bet the government set in there offices and home with the air con..

    5th Apr 2017
    5:52pm
    Here we go again - its all the fault of these pesky age pensioners who worked and paid their income taxes and medicare levies told do so and your pension will be there as it was for those going before you. Ha Ha blooming Ha. We paid for our oensions but they deny it ever happened. Yes we worked and paid a levy of 7.5% towards that pension and today it is still ongoing. But both major parties agree to say didn't happen. Why, because they didnt safeguard it and have allowed people to come and live here without' ever working a day until age pension age then they can go home and live well on the pension which goes farther. Happens as we saw when Julia G sent a boat to Lebanon to collect Aussie citizens to bring home here for safety.
    So how many live overseas? And will they again make the mistake of sending off this one off payment for electricity overseas like they did Rudd's handouts of pension monies and cheques for $900 to workers who had long left Australia to "stimulate growth here" Would be good to know if Centrelink were told to change lists and of course, how many draw down on each category of 'welfare'.
    IMHO the age pension isnt welfare but a right as we paid for it.
    And Howard said when announcing SFR will get the concessions, its their right as paid income tax, then later withdrew the remark, got told off by back room boys for letting out truth.
    You paid for your pension if you worked and paid income taxes which is why they once paid it to him as she would give up work on marriage and birth of first child etc. 1996 before she got to be a 'client'. Not a dependent. Mind you we had less divorce when he got the tax concessions for wife and kids.
    Sometimes the old ways are best. Whatever I am sick of being at the mercy of the blame game and know we all worked and were responsible for Australia being a target today for those who want to blame others for the blowout on giveaways for not working.
    Stupid how much can get if one has more than usual 1.3 kids. Some may well have 8 or 9 and the money must be in the thousands a week surely but called racist to even ask!
    Of course we cant afford it. 11 million of so workers paying income taxes and 24 million drawing down on the benefits paid from these taxes and so it cant cover even health as medicare levy paid via income tax and never work never pay in but just take out. Needs to be sorted as we ended up with huge debt after 2007-2013 governments and its till growing today as having to borrow with revenue down and things like NDIS never actually funded. Still hear calls to take in more refugees when we cant afford the ones here today no jobs not enough homes and borrowing the cash to feed house and medicate their needs as well as others who cant get a job etc.
    catsahoy
    6th Apr 2017
    10:28pm
    it makes no difference what they 'GIVE US' we will never be in front, for every dollar they give us, the cost of living goes up two, my chemist bills alone have increased by $20 a month, just for once id like to have a little over, to spend on what i like, i dont expect to live like a king, but almost being a pauper when these pollies get so much, irkes me just a little,