Written by ameliath

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    The Govt can find out anything about my metadata, they’re welcome to it…. does not concern me in the least. …ha ha ha. They most likely know lots about folks anyway, and they might learn something from me. So….GO FOR IT

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      My sentiments exactly, those of us with nothing to hide have nothing to fear. It’s only those that are on the shady side of things that have any reason to be concerned, those that are trying to fiddle the ATO or Centrelink etc.

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    Go for it. Nothing to hide.

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    This would just open another door that is already wide open !!!! for terrified abused women and children that are already at risk.

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      Would you care to elaborate on how that is going to happen?

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      I shouldn’t need to elaborate on this however with so many organistions wanting more access to peoples personal data it would provide more opportunities for perpetrators to find specific data for example addresses.

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    Given the long long list of agencies who are able to access your data it is a no brainer that there WILL be an employee in one of those agencies who will on sell data illegally. Not even a maybe!
    This sort of legislation was banned in America recently after uproar from the public. I suggest it will be fair game in Australia where the rights of citizens have been under attack for some time with the biggest offender being the right wing governments in recent times.

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      MICK, SCRUB THIS BIT ” biggest offender being the right wing governments in recent times.”
      Then your spot on with the rest of your comment.

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      Funny you should say that Mick, I was thinking exactly the same thing. And if a ‘man’ who beats his wife who has had cause to leave him, he will be able to find out exactly where she is living and to whom she has been corresponding. But why would the dept of fisheries want our data, and the Clean energy regulator,
      National measurement institute, ??. This list needs refining.

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      My understanding is that the Abbott government WANTED this legislation. The claim was that it was a matter of “national security”. Many political commentators have thrown water on that one so the question remains: WHY?

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      mick , you are 100 % correct with your concern . I have had reason to suspect confidential information was sold unscrupulously to agencies on 2 occasions and my trust in allowing any information to be shared with any agencies or Government Departments is just a straight out NO . I can understand that Abbott wanted this legislation , it did suit his style of Big Brother Government .

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      2016 is setting off in a most mysterious way as it has me agreeing with mick. I am not against storage of metadata in the way it was originally explained but if it discloses personal information I’m absolutely opposed.

      Is everyone aware of how to hide your ISP address? Google ‘proxy sites’ and use one of those to do your surfing. It allows your address to be backgrounded and a new ISP address will be produced from another country.

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      okay i can understand for all those doing shifty things, data can be obtained so as to rein in those norty buggers,but for those that have become victims of violence to be tracked down and given grieve is sooooo Unfair. now many of the above listed, why do they need our data, and or even the EPA….. i would say NO they don’t need it. And it should only be given to Law inforcement, where needed to control criminal activity.

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      Securing your email address could be the start of a flood of unwanted attention

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    The Government departments already have all they need to crucify anyone they choose to. The currently desired metadata will be passed in to law any way. I have nothing to hide until political correctness outlaws Christianity. Hopefully, I will be gone by then but feel for the next generation. Australia, no matter which party has power, is ruled by the UN.

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      Christianity will win for they can’t stop the Lord, nor his gospel, they’ve been at it for 2000 years and always failed… amen

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      It’s not about the ‘Lord’, it’s about acting in a Christian like way. I don’t believe in a deity but you can have faith that if I can help you I will and I will be respectful.

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      Organised Christianity has been perpetrated by misfits, power psychotics, perverts and the socially challenged since Constantine. They don’t need metadata. They just need to get hold of kids before they reach seven years of age to have them believing in the prevailing doctrine. As the bishop said to his lackey, “Give me a kid till the age of seven and I’ll give you a believer.” Of course, we have found out that by giving mastery over kids by some of our religious perverts leads to much worse. Giving over our metadata is much more benign.

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    If these “fringe agencies” need to access people’s data they can go to the Federal Police, or their local police force, and ask them to do the accessing for them They should be required to have a very good reason though.

    If this subject interests you please read this…

    http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/join-internet-australia-help-shape-our-digitally-enabled-patton

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      And there’s the rub. THEY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH COURT ORDERS. Then they can abuse the privilege.

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      Yes – any ‘approved’ organisation, Gauleiter, Kommissariat, Ken’s Black Guard… you name it… will just be able to say …. “I’m the government – surely MY rights supercede those of the general populace – and I can be trusted beyond words!”

      “It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, “whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,” and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”

      ? John Adams

      ‘The power of government is abused and directed to an end for which it is not constituted when employed to promote rather than to detect crime and to bring about the downfall of those who, left to themselves, might well have obeyed the law. Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime’.
      Justice Felix Frankfurter, US Supreme Court.

      ‘Whenever we leave principles and clear positive laws we are soon lost in the wild regions of imagination and possibility where arbitrary power sits upon her brazen throne and governs with an iron scepter’ .
      – John Adams, 2nd President of the United States.

      (If) Watergate taught us nothing else, it did teach there is no greater threat to society than illegal abuse of power by those sworn to uphold the law.
      New York Times editorial, October 3 1974.

      ‘The more I go down amongst the ways of Men, the less human I become’.
      Marcus Aurelius.

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    You saved me some work – I posted that list on another forum and would have had to dig it up again.

    I have nothing to hide from metadata collection – if anything my often radical thoughts expressed are MORE radical just to keep the bone collectors on their toes – if we ever come to a society where your anti-government views mean your democratic rights vanish and you are gulaged – I will go to war. Simple.

    Thus I provoke them at every turn.

    That said – I see no reason why any dissenting or unpopular view should in any way be cause for sanction by these bone collectors – and thus I see absolutely no reason why the vast majority of these organisations should be given access to that data.

    They have ZERO need for it unless they are proposing to be a part of a totalitarian state.

    Only those organisations with a genuine interest in national and internal security should have access to metadata – and those are not necessarily ones you would trust anyway. Access to metadata should be severely restricted – not just open slather for every self-imagining little Hitler or Stalin in some pissant operation somewhere.

    Buggar ’em!

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    How come Woolworths, Coles and McDonalds are not on the list???

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      Because you gave them permission?

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      By the looks of things ‘MASTERS’ won’t be either ha ha ha

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      Well if you use Credit Card or a rewards card Woollies and Coles know every thing you do anyway.

      Make me laugh when some say –“go for it I have nothing to hide”
      so I suppose you have NO blinds or curtains no locks on your doors and allow anyone to look at your bank accounts and letters and emails you send. Because that much the same thing I also have nothing to hide but I like my privacy and I like to THINK (ha ha) that my things are private.

      The powers that be run around calling TERROR TERROR to try and keep us all in line by using that to bring in BIG BROTHER, if a person can not see that then they are quite stupid.

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      I believe that my comments to my wife every time I went in to a Masters store was “this lot are going to close down”. Who’d want to own Woolworths shares.

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      Plan B the people who aren’t bothered by this legislation aren’t stupid, it’s just an indication they don’t jump at every shadow, are law abiding citizens and have nothing to fear from any government scrutiny. Those that are against something like this are the stupid ones, they worry about terrorist acts but when the government takes steps to reduce that threat they get all antsy, jumping up and down and crying their civil liberties are being impinged upon.

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      I think we all have to worry about the gradual erosion of our liberties. Americans recently rejected this legislation. Australians should do the same.
      I also have nothing to hide. If the cretins who want this get it through then next thing they’ll be in your bedroom wanting ‘statistics’….

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    Not many of these agencies have anything at all to do with fighting terrorism. This is truly 1984 and it is all about power. These poor, badly potty trained politicians suffer from anal squeeze. They would be better spending their money (our money) psychological counselling for tight-arsed psychopathy – it’s a new condition in DSM5.

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      This is approx 1983 give or take a few years either way.

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      Hey Rowena, just as well you are on this forum and not anything else….most people have no idea what you are talking about when you saying “truly 1984″…..they think “Big Brother” is that stupid house voice on reality TV…..

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    Each of these agencies should be required to publish their reasons for wanting to access metadata.

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