Friday Flash Poll: Should the family home be on the assets test?

It may not be long before the family home is on the assets test? Is this fair?

Friday Flash Poll: Should the family home be on the assets test?

Earlier this week we ran a story on the future of the Age Pension. It said the most likely first change to making the pension fairer and perhaps more ‘fundable’ would be to put the family home in the Age Pension assets test.

But is this really fair for all retirees?

Some would argue that owning a million-dollar home should preclude you from receiving a full-Age Pension. After all, there are many pensioners who own nothing and would be receiving the same amount of money, plus Rent Assistance, as those who own stately homes.

However, many pensioners who own their homes don’t have much in the way of disposable income. And their homes may have been bought for pennies compared to today’s housing costs. Let’s face it, a million-dollar home 'ain't what it used to be'. A million may not buy you much these days, so should the limit be a little higher?

Perhaps $2.5 million is fair. Maybe more. Maybe not at all. What do you think? It probably goes without saying that it may not be long before the family home is on the assets test. Is this fair? If it had to be, where should the cut-off be? Why not tell us what you think in our Friday Flash Poll?

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    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:08am
    In order to keep the government honest, given their proven history of moving goal posts - NO HOME INCLUDED IN ASSETS TEST! Furthermore - the assets test needs to be revised and countless items excluded, and only income bearing assets included.

    **'government' means both parties - 'Government' means the one currently in the seat of service to the people (NOT power - they only hold 'power' in Parliament due to numbers - nowhere else).)...
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:09am
    The Pension is funded fully now - thanks for coming - but do try to keep up in class (in a classless society, BTW)...
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:14am
    On which subject - how doe those clowns who insist on pumping extra millions of people into Australia expect those people to develop a retirement fund in the time they are here as working adults? I can pretty much guarantee you that the bloke who,for instance, had an electrical contracting firm and aided and abetted robbery by childcare centre will have no money in retirement and will need a pension... that kind struggled with the rules in working life (ha-ha) but not in retirement...
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:15am
    You can take that for a NO!! If they wish to do that, they can take over the mortgage payments....
    GeorgeM
    7th Jun 2019
    12:22pm
    NO Assets Test! Ideally, NO Asset, Income or Couple Combined Tests - just like for Politicians. Just a beat-up from YLC today to get Retirees to fight with each other - maybe no news around today to talk about.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    12:52pm
    No news George M?, what about these disgusting raids by the AFp?, surely it is in all Australian citizens and residents to know that the goct via ASIO want to keep tabs on ALL AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS?.
    This sort of thing happens in China, Russia, North Korea, NOT AUSTRALIA, we need to know if this is what our elected govt has in store for us and journalists should not be subjected to the raids we saw this week for doing their jobs.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    12:56pm
    Sorry about the spelling mistakes, I am using magnifying glasses which are not the best until I get my subscription ones, my Optician has broken his collar bone and won't be back until next month.
    Arvo
    7th Jun 2019
    1:55pm
    Misty- Read the official Australian Secrecy Act before you mouth off at what is disgusting what is not.

    Disclosure of classified Australian Defence documents without the authority of the relevant department's minister is a CRIME...minimum 2 years jail sentence.

    You'd be more disgusted to read the leaked ABC Human Resources files disclosing publicly how much each employee earns, their individual productivity reports, the employee sexual harassment complaint reports...all in public interest ,of course.

    The Managing director of ABC stated , "he stands by and protects all of his employees"...Right !...but he doesn't stand by and does not protect leaked Australian highly classified National Security documents . Freedom of the Press does not give press the right to be complicit in espionage and more importantly the betrayal and contempt of the Australian Defence Forces.

    You just don't bite the hand that feeds you ABC. Say goodbye to future funding.
    KSS
    7th Jun 2019
    1:55pm
    Misty, we do not know on what evidence the media offices were raised. Before everyone exhausts themselves jumping up and down in righteous indignation, how about waiting for an explanation and the reasons that prompted the raids. There would have to have been at the very least a suspicion of a crime having been committed to prompt the action. The media and individual journalists are not above the law. But before making judgements stop jumping to conclusions. And frankly the way many people on this site abuse the media on an almost daily basis, I am surprised you even mentioned it. Other than to deflect from the main topic of course.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    2:28pm
    The papers the ABC aired were redacted so no secrets exposed and are everyone here happy to have the ASIO SPYON AUSSOE CITIZENS WILLY NILLY?, I KNOW I AM NOT A friend of mine who came here from Latvia and grew up during tghe war said this is how Hitler started, is this ther country we want our grandchildren to grow up in?.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    2:52pm
    Can't wait for my new glasses so I can see what I am typing.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    2:53pm
    If you think you will get the truth from this govt without a Senate enquiry you must be living in La La land.
    Arvo
    7th Jun 2019
    2:56pm
    Misty-With so many foreign insurgents who infiltrated into Australia under various guise , etc, etc..Yes, it is all necessary for the 'better good'. It's a two sided coin, we need to keep the government honest, the corporate commerce business honest and we need to keep certain citizens honest. The very fact that ABC made admission that they were in possession of leaked classified National Security documents made them immediately complicit in a Criminal act. They should have sought permission from the government and the defence dept to have possession of the leaked classified National secret documents and if there was no permission they should have handed every single page of the documents back to the government. Now ABC has to suffer the consequence of their criminal complicity.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:12pm
    Ah, Arvo - I see you've been reading the homework assignment I set for the DFA, about Fifth Columns, and also about the preparedness of the West for endless wars with nations/groups with inferiority complexes...
    Paddington
    7th Jun 2019
    3:21pm
    If it is so fine to do what has just occurred why is the rest of the world shocked and disgusted. Skewed thinking by a few people on here. If you watched The Drum last night and listened to the retired High Court judge you would know we lack some protections that the rest of the world has. New Zealand was used as a model by the UK, so we should look no further than our closest nation. Even America has a constitutional protection for the media. We need to establish this promptly. No whistle blower or informant will contact the media or anyone else if there is no protection for them to do so.
    Why now as well? Why not six months ago or a few weeks ago? There has been a leak in the department of Home Affairs, they have a whistle blower. No journalist can reveal their source or they will never get any information. People will keep things to themselves that should come out into the open.
    It is not a crime to investigate and report so long as it is checked and verified.
    The ones being investigated can not control the power as is shown in this case. They are being looked into. A whistle blower has told a journalist of an incident or incidents in relation to the army so it is not up to the army or the government department to intervene to try to find their whistle blower.
    Ask a high court judge.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    7:35pm
    Misty, I’m with you 100% about the raids and what they mean. We have to fight this attack on our democracy. I don’t for a minute believe that our government was not involved. Scott Morrison is lying when he pretends to be distanced from this SHOCKING attack on journalists, whistleblowers and the public’s right to know what is happening in our society and international affairs. I’m furious and very worried!
    GeorgeM
    8th Jun 2019
    7:58pm
    Misty, the AFP raids are NOT a big deal - just because a few journalists are affected they saturate the news media with these reports. I agree with Arvo. I would rather leave it to the AFP to decide what security issues are worth investigating, not stupid Labor (or Liberal) political commentators. Just think - it could be the Russians, Chinese or even the North Koreans trying to destabilise the Govt here by developing leak methods - best to leave it to the AFP who will only proceed if they find anything of genuine concern. If the journos haven't broken any laws, they have nothing to worry about.
    Ardnaher
    12th Jun 2019
    6:05pm
    all taxpayers regardless of wealth should get the pension....which is what used to happen. However so I believe (I could be wrong) that there was a big stink about wealthy people getting it (even though they probably paid more in taxes than the average) and the rules were changed.

    It is not going to happen a Universal Pension...with superannuation we are supposed to partly support ourselves; that is why it was introduced in the first place.
    Chris B T
    7th Jun 2019
    10:24am
    I believe Politicians Need To Bring There Rorts Under Control Before Chasing after OAP Home Ownership.
    Receiving a Living Away From Home Allowance and Staying In "Partners" Property or Friends Property. When Parliament is Sitting.
    The Other Rort Of Receiving Parliamentary Pension while still working and Before 60.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:36am
    Funny - I just said that on another forum...... great minds think alike... the self-proclaimed mighty need to be brought down a peg or ten... only way they'll get in touch with reality is by being shown what reality is for the majority.
    pedro the swift
    7th Jun 2019
    10:44am
    I completely agree with you Chris, sort out the pollies perks to a semblance of reality , not letting them getaway with taxpayer robbery then use the "I didn't know the rules " excuse.
    jackie
    7th Jun 2019
    11:53am
    Chris B T, I agree with you on this. When is the Australian public going to start doing something about this injustice?

    This country is run by crooks who are destroying it and the lives of those that want an ordinary life.
    GeorgeM
    7th Jun 2019
    12:25pm
    Yes, very valid comments. How about YLC put out a survey specifically about scrapping the Politicians perks? That surely should be the priority if this country wants to give a "fair go" as Morrison and others say.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    2:30pm
    Couldn’t agree with you more, Chris. Let’s have an in depth investigation into the sly way early politicians decided to line their own pockets with pensions and perks by robbing taxpayers of theirs.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    7:24pm
    I read on another forum that Scott Morrison got a rise this week of $11,000pa which brings his salary to $549,000pa. All pollies got a rise apparently. They have crippled unions, removed penalty rates and have done nothing to help low earners or the unemployed on Newstart. But hey, they’re ok getting their regular increases.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    10:27am
    Slow morning here, Igor - let's take the car to the mechanic's .... give 'em time to get their coffee in ...
    Placido1
    7th Jun 2019
    10:44am
    A lot of voters believed the scare campaigns about the so called retiree tax (it was not a retiree tax) and fictitious death taxes (which Morrison refused to rule out when he was treasurer) Now we see that the coalition is really coming after your money!

    Surprise surprise after 6 years of "the money managers" being in power the economy is in its worst state since 1992,
    Labor got us through the GFC despite the denials of those who claim to be the better economic managers. Truth is finally out, they have no idea of what to do, tax cuts in 2022 and 2024 are NOT going to help Australia NOW when it is needed. The RBA have been trying to convince the coalition for 5 years to do something constructive to no avail.

    The duplicitous cry of it is all Labor's fault is ringing very hollowly after 6 years and entering the third term of failure.
    Buggsie
    7th Jun 2019
    10:57am
    Couldn't agree more. Morrison and his mob are the greatest purveyors of fake news since Hitler was on the rise in 1937. They knew that the economy was tanking even before they called an election and the Reserve Bank colluded by not announcing a rate cut during the election runup period. Now the government is desperate for money, hence the "review" of retirement incomes just announced. No mandate for that as it was never mentioned during their election campaign. Of course the family home will be included in the pension assets test - how better to get another half million of the poorest retirees off the pension? Also, watch out for your allocated pension or other retiree super - there's sure to be rule changes to limit your access to lump sums etc and force you to take it all as a pension.
    Placido1
    7th Jun 2019
    11:03am
    Buggsie,

    Given the way the coalition ranted and lied about the " RETIREE TAX" etc, they have anything but a mandate to attack retirees and pensioners, they were purporting to support retirees (I think they meant the wealthiest of course) during the election campaign.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    7:51pm
    Maybe the LNP just feel incredibly secure that retirees - pensioners, part pensioners and self funded - will keep supporting them no matter what and maybe they are right? There was hardly a peep from retired people when the asset test was changed but an almighty scream from them when a small minority, those who can afford to buy humungous amounts of shares were going to be affected by franking credits. It’s hard to believe the ignorance!...but it is undeniable nevertheless!
    Wstaton
    7th Jun 2019
    9:41pm
    Let's put some real facts into this election.

    I have just looked at the latest tally room figures. Currently the LNP got only 386,601 more votes than Labor across the country.

    the LNP got over 50% of the votes in 3 states. Labor got over 50% of the votes in 5 states.

    Does this really mean that the LNP has a mandate to do whatever they want?

    I say that a party that only gets 386,601 but gets 9more seats that they recon gives them a mandate is not really a democracy.

    I say this the LNP reckon with 6,622,181votes reckon they have a mandate to screw the other Labor voters who got 6,235,580 votes.
    Hardworker
    7th Jun 2019
    10:47am
    Calm down TREBOR and don't give yourself a heart attack over it. I will be very surprised if it ever happens as it is far too complicated. There are too many variables which will cause an enormous outcry if they ever try it. It costs a lot of money to sell up and move. Not everyone has the regular body corporate fees that you need to pay when downsizing to an apartment, retirement village, townhouse or whatever. YLC have done this story to death and should just plain DROP IT as it is just distressing a lot of elderly people unnecessarily. Most of the older generation have worked very hard for a long long time to achieve what they have and just want to be left in peace to enjoy the latter years of their lives.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    11:36am
    Forewarned is forearmed....... keep the bastards honest in advance by letting them know that any such move will be resisted.
    ex PS
    7th Jun 2019
    1:35pm
    I call on the opposition to back the government on this, about time the people who vote for the Lib/Nats to get what they voted for.
    Arvo
    7th Jun 2019
    2:03pm
    The offset is to sell the ABC and give the money back to the previous tax payer namely age pensioners!
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    2:49pm
    Never going to happen Arvo.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    8:13pm
    Yeah, let’s sell the ABC and all crawl into our holes where we don’t have to bother ourselves with any news about ANYTHING, apart from Murdocracy. Could be good for us actually to NOT CARE. I sure hope this country’s politics gets better when we oldies all depart though. Appears we are a hindrance because we are largely so conservative..without thinking deeply...without ever considering change. Of course I am not speaking for everyone...all the people I know my age cares heaps for the environment, their children’s and grand children’s futures, the quality of life on this planet. But seems all you who got your nickers in a knot about franking credits, CGT and negative gearing outnumbered us.
    GeorgeM
    8th Jun 2019
    8:15pm
    Sell off the ABC? Now that's another good news topic!
    While their investigative reports are excellent, there are other parts of the ABC which are badly in need of overhaul / shutdown such as:
    a. The severely biased forums such as Q&A where only one point of view (Labor's now almost same as Greens) being encouraged, rather tolerated. ABC MUST represent the views of all sections of the population, including those against the radical gender politics of Labor & the Greens, and the extreme Climate Change action fanatics.
    b. Several media outlets which seem to struggle to put out relevant topics such as on radio - today I heard (and switched off) from topics about "Insects in the Amazon", something about an "Archaeologist from 1856", how "Fathers must be encouraged to take on Parental Care of new-born babies" (Feminist rubbish, when Mothers are the natural fit), regular Footy commentary (already on multiple other commercial radio channels), etc, etc.

    Taxpayers money IS being wasted on PC type staff & programs, and programs with rubbish content. ABC badly needs a complete review and overhaul to align it to Australia's and Australians' interests delivered at reasonable cost.

    Yes, as Arvo has said, use the money saved to improve Age Pensions such as (an easy one) reversals of the cuts from the Assets Test changes of 2017. Whether it happens or not, it is important to start a debate on PRIORITIES which are sorely missing in Canberra.
    PlanB
    7th Jun 2019
    10:53am
    Anyone that owns their own home has worked LONG and HARD and done without to do so AND paid the taxes as well as taxes to buy the home -- I say to the Government BUGGA off and leave us alone, we have paid and worked for what we have and also paid taxes for our miserable pension.

    Just stop spending out paid taxes on your trip here and there and do the right thing FOR ONCE!
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    11:45am
    Don't forget those, like me, who've endured two separations, dissolution of property, owned two homes, been sick and injured ... and are currently on their third home with a mortgage in retirement.

    They can get stuffed.
    Arvo
    7th Jun 2019
    2:10pm
    Trebor- If they introduce residential homes in the Asset Test they will need to offset the test by the amount of mortgage against the home asset. It will become administratively very complicated for most bird brain bureaucrats.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:15pm
    Yes - there are far too many variables for each individual home - never work unless the government resumes all homes and parcels them out on a list of something...
    Tood
    7th Jun 2019
    4:01pm
    and don't forget that we have paid tax 7.5% of which should have gone into a pension account instead of general revenue, so our pension is also paid for!!
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    8:19pm
    Good to see you here PlanB. We have been worried about your absence from the meeting place.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    8:30pm
    Agree with your point. We lived in near poverty for years paying off our home with high interest rates in the 1980s and ‘90s. As a family we could not afford to do anything much. I couldn’t even afford to buy the kids a milkshake if I took them to town. We sank further and further into debt because we had to take loans out to get our old bomb cars (all we could afford) fixed because there was no public transport in our rural area so we were dependant on our cars. To make our home an asset now would be an unjust blow.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    8:23am
    "Yes they forget that those of us that have also had to nurse members of our family and gave up work to do so --also saving millions for the Government -- with NO thanks what so ever
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2019
    10:01am
    Yes TREBOR I agree there are many like you that have had a hard time due to NO fault of their own -- through a separation and or taking care of family members and having to give up work for a time -- and I might add saving the Government a HEAP too by doing so!

    These bludgers in Government know nothing of living in the real world and its about time they had a go!
    Franky
    7th Jun 2019
    11:11am
    If you own a million dollar home you have worked hard for it and paid more taxes direct and indirect than the person who owns nothing.
    Sundays
    7th Jun 2019
    11:52am
    And sometimes it’s now worth a lot because once working class suburbs are now sought after.
    jackie
    7th Jun 2019
    12:07pm
    Franky, Australian properties have been falsely inflated because our pollies and their land developer friends made big money from them.

    The Chinese dictatorship inflated properties in HongKong because it makes big money from them. There is a shortage of space amongst a large population.

    Australia is a vast continent with a small population so properties should never have been inflated.

    Look out if the Government wants to build infrastructure on your property. It will lose it's inflated value quickly.
    Paddington
    7th Jun 2019
    3:28pm
    jackie, I agree our homes have been falsely inflated in value which has made it hard for the young ones. No home should double in value in ten years. It is ridiculous.
    I am happy for them to drop further. They should grow in value but nothing like what has occurred.
    Captain
    7th Jun 2019
    5:48pm
    We sold our home (in a middle suburb) of 40 years in 2014 and purchased in an outer suburb. The home we moved into increased in value by nearly 100%!!! So how would the value of the place be determined based on years of resided in? For that matter, the dollar value of the home in our instance, is not an indication of years owned.

    The value of our home has devalued by about six percent in the last 12 months, while my brother-in-laws home, that he has owned for more than ten years, increased by about 50 per cent in those ten years and in the last 12 months his place has devalued by about 10%. Both houses are in the same city so how would you determine a value of the residence and how often do you do the valuation?

    I could only see increased costs for owners, fewer receiving the pension as either major political party will be able to change legislation any time to suit themselves.
    Farside
    7th Jun 2019
    11:31pm
    Jackie says "Australia is a vast continent with a small population so properties should never have been inflated." The first part is true but the second does not follow. Australian metro property prices are high because Australia is one of he most urbanised populations in the world.
    Bella
    7th Jun 2019
    11:11am
    Sure, use the hard earned home as an asset, we all enjoy bricks and mortar for dinner as its all we have to eat if we don't get a pension!
    Bella
    7th Jun 2019
    11:11am
    Sure, use the hard earned home as an asset, we all enjoy bricks and mortar for dinner as its all we have to eat if we don't get a pension!
    Sundays
    7th Jun 2019
    12:32pm
    I don’t think it will happen any time soon. It’s not only pensioners who will be affected but their families too. The lies about a retirees tax lost Labor the election, including the home in the Asset test would cause a bigger outcry. They may introduce a cap however
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    2:46pm
    I’m inclined to agree with you, Sundays, not only will it piss off pensioners but every home owner coming up to retirement age as well. Also, think how many extra votes every other party will pull in when campaigning on overturning the use of pensioners’ homes as an asset and how many seats the present government will lose.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    9:18pm
    Triss,
    Don’t forget that Morrison is a salesman. A master at duping and winning at all costs (to integrity). He just showed us, did he not?
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    11:01pm
    I thought I heard somewhere Scomo lost his job as a salesman, does anyone know if this is true.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    11:23pm
    Yeah Misty, he was sacked I think but he never lost the art.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2019
    10:09am
    Yes, Morrison is a salesman and easy to tell he is as he is full of it!

    He is a total dictator and also a nasty arrogant bit of work, it will be us that suffer now he is in power

    Yes Misty Morrison was managing director of Tourism Australia
    -- WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU' and was sacked from there and I believe he got a payout of about $300.000
    MICK
    7th Jun 2019
    11:14am
    Here we go again. You picked a divisive one to stir up dissent Leon but I guess it is Friday.
    Readers should note that Australia is pretty well alone in the western world in attacking its retirees. Now the same bastards want to set a new international model whereby they keep retirees off a pension via an assets test which is set low (on purpose) AND which is now trying to introduce a further test to kick even more people off.
    This is the rich man's dictatorship in action. It knows that wealthy people do not use the pension system so its game on to attack those who have need of it. Class Warfare in action!
    Australia is becoming a despicable country with a government which is routinely put back into office by its wealthy backers. When will people wake up to being skinned alive? Perhaps when more and more are made targets.
    GeorgeM
    7th Jun 2019
    12:30pm
    Yes, an unnecessary divisive survey yet again! Although, I must point out the rich man Keating brought in both the loathed Assets test as well as the equally reviled Deeming for pensions. While Politicians enjoy their own rules.
    People seem deaf or dumb - no action by the electorate with both parties merely down slightly in their primary votes - Labor more than Libs thanks to their foolish Green-like policies.
    Ardnaher
    12th Jun 2019
    6:11pm
    a couple with $1 million in the bank at current interest rates of around 2% will only get $20,000 a year...less than a couple on the full aged pension of over $30k. My advice is to spend it down until you come down to where you get as much on the aged pension; you will get the concession card too.
    Kaz
    7th Jun 2019
    11:29am
    This s only being floated to get everyone used to the idea. If you want to fuck over those who worked and paid for their own home, I want politicians to no longer get such a big pension and to wait until they are pension age. Look at Abbott. We’re paying for that lacklustre career.
    KSS
    7th Jun 2019
    2:04pm
    Kaz seriously you are well behind the times. Polititions now do have to wait for their pensions just like everyone else and have done for quite a few years now. And one more thing, the polititions contribute to their pension directly just like others with company lead pension schemes. You simply cannot compare their pension with that of the general public. And it is churlish to keep doing so.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    2:39pm
    Funny thing though GeorgeM, there are many members commenting here so not every one thinks it is unnecessary or devisive.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    3:14pm
    In a democracy,KSS, it is necessary to compare politicians’ pensions with aged pensioners’ because they are the ones who decided to line their own pockets with huge pensions and perks whilst robbing the general public of theirs.
    Also, ex politicians do not have to wait like everyone else for their pensions as they get them at 55, even though they denied aged pensioners their pensions until 67.
    Also, aged pensioners don’t get taxpayer funded airfares multiple times a year.
    Look up the government paper on parliamentarians and see a few more perks that the general public doesn’t get and you’ll find out who the churlish ones really are.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:19pm
    It is the massively preferential treatment of politician super that is in the firing line - they can abide by the same rules as everyone else - 9% or whatever, all else is savings, and they work like everyone else on a basis of shares invested etc - not the current huge extra handed to them for free....

    I've said it before - Pauline Hanson's first stint was thirteen months - she got $70,000 cash on departure - I was earning the same as a politician - my super after thirteen YEARS was $7000.

    It's a rort pure and simple, and there is zero need or justification for it these days, with part-time casual and short-term contracted employees being in the majority.
    GeorgeM
    8th Jun 2019
    8:25pm
    Misty, your glasses are definitely not working as you are responding to Kaz's comment here not mine. Although, in a separate comment I did agree with MICK about this "divisive" survey. If you remove the blinkers as well when you look at comments, you will understand that divisive topics DO elicit many responses precisely because they are divisive! Because they put one section of the population against another! Duh!
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    9:46pm
    No GeorgeM I was responding to your comment 7th June 12.30 PM it is just in the wrong place. Rubbish George, nothing wrong with a good debate, surely people can have a difference of opinion?, what a dull old world it would be if we all thought and agreed on the same thing.
    GeorgeM
    8th Jun 2019
    11:24pm
    That's what I said - you have it against the wrong comment!
    If this is a sensible topic for you, with the many other important issues around, you must live in a very boring world! Many people have commented on the stupidity of the topic / suggestion.
    turtle
    7th Jun 2019
    11:32am
    What about the years of working paying tax and going without just so you can own your own home, and then being penalized for it in your retirement years. didn't part of out taxes go into a pension scheme, and why aren't politicians on the same scheme as everyday folks.
    Australia used to be the lucky country?????
    Sen.Cit.90
    7th Jun 2019
    11:51am
    Well said Turtle and to the point. Unfortunately, Governments are riddled with ex Lawyers and they have made all their 'Perks' legally watertight. The only solution will be a complete change of the Government system.
    Sconny
    7th Jun 2019
    11:52am
    another load of bollox to scare the elderly into an early grave...the lucky country no more...democracy on the way out ...stop importing shit into this country and then having to pay support to them and their broods...stop kissing the ass of minority groups...Im white I served my country raised a family and worked until the day I turned 65 during which time I got a mortgage and paid it out..to all politicians ...GET NICKED
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    11:59am
    Well said Sconny!
    jackie
    7th Jun 2019
    12:14pm
    Sconny, you are right.
    Aussie
    7th Jun 2019
    2:00pm
    Sconny UR correct but the majority of Aussies vote for them ????? Why ????? now is a continuation of the same shit and maybe more .....
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2019
    10:11am
    With 100% Sconny!
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    11:57am
    Maybe in future we might all live in Government supplied housing. Would not have minded that, could have spent all that money on other things rather than a roof over my head. All the necessary repairs through the years would also have been taken care of. Think about it, reasonable housing for life, no need for leaving inheritances for the next generation because they will also be housed like you have been. All that freed-up money would bring a boom to the national economy. Let us all dream on and bring up the same topic about your home to be included in the asset test. That comes around every few weeks.
    Jansview
    7th Jun 2019
    11:58am
    It’s like I read only a couple of days after our debacle of an election. “ScoMo is back in and now he can do whatever he wants”. Pretty much sums it up. They couldn’t manage the economy before the election, the blunders are already happening post election. We’re screwed and the Pensioners are first in the firing line. Not theirs though. They still and always will have their snouts in the trough, slurping up their spoils.
    Sconny
    7th Jun 2019
    12:36pm
    dont blame me... I didnt vote for the sniggering twat...pity about the alternative Shorten and now Albanese both have the personality of a cricket ball ...grrrrrr
    ronloby
    7th Jun 2019
    12:11pm
    Individual disposable income should be part of the test. Why should someone on say $75,000 per year which is disposable be intitled to a pension. Also the pollies pensions and perks needs to be looked at by an indpendant body. (like that would happen in a lifetime)
    Sundays
    7th Jun 2019
    12:27pm
    That’s tricky. Most pensioners with $75,000 income get a very small part pension. Mostly, they are old Defined Benefit pensioners who had to compulsory pay 5% in after tax income into super. If they could have used that money to buy assets they would probably be better off. You can’t penalise them without also reducing the Asset test for others further.

    I agree the Politician pensions need a review.
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    12:13pm
    Interesting how all the bad news only comes out after the election [ Someone must have had a degree in marketing ]. Firstly the economy is not going great and interest rates have to be cut - all detrimental to retirees and Pensioners with some savings income , Yet Labor were in contrast under constant criticism for foolishly announcing some cuts to retirees income .
    It also appears there is no move on reviewing the deeming rate to a realistic level .
    So now they are fishing for what can they still take from us and soon they will tell us we are living in utter luxury if we live in houses and only caves are mud huts
    will be exempt from Pension cuts .
    Just what credibility is left in our Leadership ? We have Chinese Warships arriving in Sydney unannounced with the Crews in battle fatigue and a belated explanation from our Prime Minister and it appears to me to be more a case of the Chinese asserting who owns Australia . So things do not look rosy with the Governments Management of our country . Pensioners beware things often take a different turn once the election campaign is over .
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    12:58pm
    I just seen a headline in my morning edition newspaper :

    PM and POLLIES HEFTY SALARY BOOST . I think there is no further comment needed

    My apologies about a mistake in my main comment above , which should read " only caves or mud huts "
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:25pm
    It's just that their mates on the commission that approves their pay rises are paid on the same scale so they will naturally give as big a shot as possible...

    Time for a freeze for four years .... to bring them somewhere near Planet Earth...

    They love the job and the perks - don't carry on about their 'responsibility' - their responsibility is to filter the advice of public servants and of their paid mate advisors through the party line and then sell it, and whatever long hours and separation they've put in are well matched by countless people out here who do not and did not receive those benefits.

    50% cut and close checks on perks...
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:25pm
    They're lining up for the job and the perks - don't talk nonsense.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:25pm
    They're lining up for the job and the perks - don't talk nonsense.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    3:31pm
    They do not deserve their salaries, KSS, and if they were CEOs of major companies and put them in as much debt as we are in they’d be out on their behinds double quick. And notice they get a pecentage raise which is huge but give dollar raises to pensioners. Ban percentage raises for pollies and give them the same dollar raise as pensioners.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    3:36pm
    Politicians don’t work anything like the hours a CEO works. Politicians have more responsibility than CEOs!! Surely you have your tongue in your cheek.
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    4:24pm
    KSS - It is quite obvious what Party you are supporting . You don.t need to try the same on me because I am a swinging voter but frequently end up voting for Independents or small Parties , when I consider the two major ones are not going to deliver .
    I do not see why the present Government has deserved any payrise and this one was certainly not achieved by merit but a devious election campaign .
    I would like to remind you of the constant attacks Liberals made on Labor , when they were in Government over the lowering of Interest Rates . Their main argument was that the Interest Rates are the best indicator of how a country is performing - at that time the Interest Rates were approx. Double than we have now . So why does the Liberal Government not resign and admit they were failures ? Is there honesty or value in Government ?
    travelman
    7th Jun 2019
    12:17pm
    No definitely, definitely NO. This government needs to get its act together and do the job it should be doing, Fix the Taxation Department so that it, for once in its miserable existence, becomes efficient in making sure that tax from money earned in this country is paid and not disappears in foreign banks, fixes all the rorts by this government, businesses, banks, insurance companies etc. The big problem they need to deal with is their own education on how to successfully run an economy, for as certain as apples grow on trees, they don't have a clue at the moment. And lets hear a cheer from the first nation by scrapping the statue of Captain Cook and the building a replica of his ship - too costly and a waste of public money and a slap in the face of the first nation who have been waiting too long for justice from this inept government. Since Scott Morrison was elected Prime Minister I haven't seen him do anything that is needed for our country. Perhaps he should look at his own wealth and what he can spare for the public purse and not persecute, as he does, those who can least afford to give. I am so angry at his crass incompetence.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:26pm
    OH? And what was that he did for the past twelve months?
    travelman
    7th Jun 2019
    12:17pm
    No definitely, definitely NO. This government needs to get its act together and do the job it should be doing, Fix the Taxation Department so that it, for once in its miserable existence, becomes efficient in making sure that tax from money earned in this country is paid and not disappears in foreign banks, fixes all the rorts by this government, businesses, banks, insurance companies etc. The big problem they need to deal with is their own education on how to successfully run an economy, for as certain as apples grow on trees, they don't have a clue at the moment. And lets hear a cheer from the first nation by scrapping the statue of Captain Cook and the building a replica of his ship - too costly and a waste of public money and a slap in the face of the first nation who have been waiting too long for justice from this inept government. Since Scott Morrison was elected Prime Minister I haven't seen him do anything that is needed for our country. Perhaps he should look at his own wealth and what he can spare for the public purse and not persecute, as he does, those who can least afford to give. I am so angry at his crass incompetence.
    travelman
    7th Jun 2019
    12:31pm
    By the way, I read your comments guys and it warms my heart at your anger as well. But don't be alarmed too much - it is possible to get rid of a government at any time - it is just a case of motivating a nation to action. Because the people of this nation do have the power and when a nation decides to do something - a government will shake in its shoes. It has happened in many nations before but now we get sucked in to believe we have no power and that to go against an elected government is not democratic. I tell you, you can challenge a government - that is what democracy is all about - to stand up against a government who is not being democratic.
    GeorgeM
    7th Jun 2019
    12:33pm
    Leon / YLC, why don't you instead put out a survey which might have more support - such as for Universal Age Pension with NO tests, other than for Age (say 65 years) and Residency (say 15 years)? At least, that would be useful for a submission to the Retirement Incomes Review by the Govt.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    12:46pm
    I think a fairer way would be to use a date and how much your home was bought for originally, some people may have bought years ago for a small amount and while their savings have not incteased their house price has, they should not be penalised where as some people may have bought their homes recently for millions then I think they should be included in the assets test.
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    1:14pm
    I think you are leaving the door open for the Government to jump on people who bought another house recently , which may or may not be Millions . In my case we bought well below a Million and our sole motive was that at our advanced age we wanted to live near our son to get help from his family to continue living in a home of our own . Whilst I no longer trust this Government , I do not have control over possible rises in Real Estate and who knows , if the Prime Ministers confident rosy forecasts come to fruition , most of us may live in Million Dollar houses .
    Jansview
    7th Jun 2019
    1:29pm
    Totally agree Oldman Roo. I recently relocated from a regional town in Victoria to return to SA, to a town just on the outskirts of Adelaide. What I sold was 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom with a massive enclosed indoor/outdoor room on a large block. What I’ve purchased is a 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom villa style home on a much smaller block with an outdoor entertaining area under a pergola. After changeover the money difference was gone. It was negligible anyway. The difference in housing costs between states and regions make this Government idea completely unworkable and unmanageable.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:29pm
    Best to leave the family home out entirely - those who 'upgraded' did so usually by selling and moving - so they really only exchanged one for another. A home is a home at the end of the day.

    The ex and I recently 'up-marketed' by 'down-sizing' to be close to facilities such as heated year round pool and such for her disability. Hardly an argument to say we 'upgraded' to get a chance to rort.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    3:45pm
    One thing against that, Misty, if someone bought their house years ago at a low price and then downsized in the last two or three year they would have had to pay more for the downsized than for the original. That would mean they would be penalised for downsizing.
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    4:51pm
    Jansview , I fully understand your situation with moving to a town on the outskirts of Adelaide and know the SA Real Estate market well .
    It just confirms how the whole idea of reducing Pensions on the value of the family or person.s home has far too many variables to consider and should be shelved as a crazy idea .
    Unfortunately our geniuses in Canberra may not easily give up on stitching us up , right or wrong and I no longer trust anything from there since the Abbott promise , No changes to Pensions , and when changes were announced soon after the election , I recall not a single LNP MP protested to his party it was a broken promise .
    mogo51
    7th Jun 2019
    12:48pm
    Totally agree Chris, plus pension for life after 2 terms I believe that is only criteria. No earning limits, in other words bring them into line with Aged Pensioners.
    mogo51
    7th Jun 2019
    12:48pm
    Totally agree Chris, plus pension for life after 2 terms I believe that is only criteria. No earning limits, in other words bring them into line with Aged Pensioners.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:31pm
    Not to mention another healthy handout job, such as some 'professorship' in some 'house of learning', or in some 'government commission' or similar.... just another bite at the perpetual income for life cycle and to add to the nest egg.

    I laughed when Keating copped a 'visiting professorship' at UNSW - now we have Pyne at some business school... and a few others... at least the Labor sheila who quit 'to spend time with her family' had legal qualifications before coping a sweet ride for life at Melbourne Uni.

    **rolls eyes at the true ethics of modern 'houses of learning'**
    mogo51
    7th Jun 2019
    12:48pm
    Totally agree Chris, plus pension for life after 2 terms I believe that is only criteria. No earning limits, in other words bring them into line with Aged Pensioners.
    gerry
    7th Jun 2019
    12:56pm
    A house is money same as the bit I have in term deposit ,I have to use mine,a house owner doesn't ,They get to leave their house to their kids ,I will have nothing to leave mine
    Oldman Roo
    7th Jun 2019
    1:35pm
    While a lot of us had their fortunes or misfortunes in life , not to forget people who wanted to live life to the fullest and spend all their money. Maybe I made a big mistake by making sacrifices , working in 2 Jobs and living a very ordinary life but one has to accept the choices we made in life . Suddenly denying equal benefits to the one who chose a different life is not justified . On the Pension I do receive less than a Person who pays rent and I do not say that is not right .
    gerry
    7th Jun 2019
    12:56pm
    A house is money same as the bit I have in term deposit ,I have to use mine,a house owner doesn't ,They get to leave their house to their kids ,I will have nothing to leave mine
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    2:52pm
    Who's fault is that, gerry? Maybe look into the mirror when shaving. But you are right, if I had my time over again I'd probably waste a lot more of my earnings - the more one pisses up the wall during one's working life the more one gets on the pension. I am sure the younger generation will learn from that big time. Maybe that is also the reason for all the so-called homeless folks all around us. All responsibility in life is the Govt's.
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    4:28pm
    A house isn’t money, Gerry. When we were first married we weren’t big earners so we worked at three jobs each just to get our first home because that was our main goal. Mortgage payments, working to upgrade a house cost us thousands over the years. It’s not the way everyone wants to live but at the end of your working life you have what you have so no-one has the right to think they have a right to my home because my lifestyle was different from theirs.
    bartpcb
    7th Jun 2019
    1:04pm
    The suggestion that home owners 'should not receive the age pension', is outrageous. People have worked all their lives and contributed to the 'Pension box' through their taxation, have every right to the return of those contributions by way of the Age Pension. That they have manage to scrimp and save enough to buy a house is totally irrelevant. The family home should never ever be considered an 'asset' with regard to pension. Any government considering such should be ashamed of themselves.
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    2:56pm
    If home owners should not the pension then the people who never worked should only get food stamps and slops from the soup kitchens. The more we punish achievers the more slackers we have to care for in old age.
    Reagan
    7th Jun 2019
    1:04pm
    Never done this poll thingy before. Anyway, if someone owns a $3m house, lives in it alone and draws the pension, maybe it's time to think about other avenues. The ALP consider you the "top end of town", so they are after you. Good thing they didn't get in.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    1:21pm
    It is not the Labor Party you have to be worried about, with a recession forecast this govt will be after your money too.
    Paddington
    7th Jun 2019
    8:18pm
    Reagan, you are funny!
    You can’t talk about Labor as they have nothing to do with this.
    Another made up thing, Labor wants your house, LOL!
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    9:46pm
    Well Reagan, you have said you own gyms all over Melbourne, houses and a zoo so I suppose you will never be affected by government going after your home as an asset. I suppose you thought it was worth putting your two bit in though to have a go at Labor.
    AverageJoe
    7th Jun 2019
    1:13pm
    The majority of home owners have worked hard and forgone much on their way to pay off their mortgages and be in a more financially stable situation... why should they be punished!
    I say “NO TO THE FAMILY HOME BEING INCLUDED IN THE ASSETS TEST”.
    And beware to any Government that would consider walking this path.
    Nanday
    7th Jun 2019
    1:24pm
    It's a complicated issue, not as simple as yes or no. Some people have lived frugally and paid off their home, and due to property increases in some parts of the country (eg Sydney) end up owning a home worth over a million. However, there are other people who undoubtedly consider it a smart strategy to invest solely into their primary residence, trading up until they have acquired a home as an sole asset worth a lot of money instead of divesting into other assets which would be included in an assets test (such as a stock portfolio for instance). So this is an unfair advantage as they can then keep their expensive home without it being included in an assets test and thus collect the pension. They also don't have capital gains tax to pay when they sell that primary residence, so it actually is a very smart way to 'play' the primary home loophole for one's retirement.

    It will be interesting to see what comes out of the comprehensive review and how they propose to deal with the inclusion or exclusion of the primary residence.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    3:43pm
    At the time of the Keating high interest rates (for the peasants only), I slept in my car rather than spend the money to drive home every day (country home/city work), showered at work, and even scrimped on food to make sure I kept my home first and foremost.

    Show me one politician who ever did such a thing.. EVER! Overpaid, over-rated, over-fat and over us!
    Nanday
    7th Jun 2019
    1:24pm
    It's a complicated issue, not as simple as yes or no. Some people have lived frugally and paid off their home, and due to property increases in some parts of the country (eg Sydney) end up owning a home worth over a million. However, there are other people who undoubtedly consider it a smart strategy to invest solely into their primary residence, trading up until they have acquired a home as an sole asset worth a lot of money instead of divesting into other assets which would be included in an assets test (such as a stock portfolio for instance). So this is an unfair advantage as they can then keep their expensive home without it being included in an assets test and thus collect the pension. They also don't have capital gains tax to pay when they sell that primary residence, so it actually is a very smart way to 'play' the primary home loophole for one's retirement.

    It will be interesting to see what comes out of the comprehensive review and how they propose to deal with the inclusion or exclusion of the primary residence.
    Hardworker
    7th Jun 2019
    6:27pm
    Nanday it's not actually the HOME that is worth the millions. It is the LAND it sits on that increases in value. The home may not have even been a new build when it was bought. I purchased a basic beat up ex-rental property years ago but have spent an absolute fortune on it to make it liveable. But it is in a good suburb. I know someone who lives in their family's old slapped together 2 bedroom beach house (no chance of downsizing) but it sits on land that is now worth over a million. How do you calculate these different scenarios - not possible!
    mancub1967
    7th Jun 2019
    1:30pm
    When will this end, perhaps by how many electrical appliances you have , how many suits in the wardrobe, how many cars you have, this madness must stop, I personally do not care if some one has worked hard and lives in a mansion, good on them, should they have a pension, why not, our politician's have pensions with no means test, they can work again and get a very healthy income without penalty, when are the Australian pensioners going to rise up and challenge this arrogant selfish bunch of people, we created this mess by allowing them to virtually give themselves pay rises when the rest of the population are penalized, there is no fairness in our political arena anymore. My answer is no more adding to the means test which is bad enough already, in fact it should be abolished and anybody retiring should be able to access the pension.
    mancub1967
    7th Jun 2019
    1:30pm
    When will this end, perhaps by how many electrical appliances you have , how many suits in the wardrobe, how many cars you have, this madness must stop, I personally do not care if some one has worked hard and lives in a mansion, good on them, should they have a pension, why not, our politician's have pensions with no means test, they can work again and get a very healthy income without penalty, when are the Australian pensioners going to rise up and challenge this arrogant selfish bunch of people, we created this mess by allowing them to virtually give themselves pay rises when the rest of the population are penalized, there is no fairness in our political arena anymore. My answer is no more adding to the means test which is bad enough already, in fact it should be abolished and anybody retiring should be able to access the pension.
    ex PS
    7th Jun 2019
    1:30pm
    Yes, just as soon as the government can tell us how we can tear bits of our homes and pay for food and services with it..
    If I do not benefit by owning my own home why should I bother doing without to buy one. May as well just per my wages up against a wall every week and sit back and wait for a pension.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    10:07pm
    Buy shares exPS. The franking credits will save you. Pensioners think franking credits are great and that Labor was evil to hurt them by trying to take the credits away from the rich share owners. Even though most of them didn’t own any. If you buy shares enough to get decent franking credits you won’t have to tear you house down to eat and pay services.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    10:17pm
    PS. That is only until the coming recession hits and share owners start panicking and possibly even lose out big time. I think that scenario might occur before homes become assets for pensioners.
    mancub1967
    7th Jun 2019
    1:40pm
    Just another stab at this assets test, it should be disposed off, people should demand this from any future Labor government, there is no reason why a person who pays there tax should not have a pension regardless of the income, it was a poor choice to have it in the first place as it was never proposed to affect the average income earning Australian, unfortunately it has become a weapon for the LNP to use against pensioners, and the rhetoric they have used the last six years has built this image for the younger population of pensioners as pariahs to the public purse, something they are proud of.
    mancub1967
    7th Jun 2019
    1:40pm
    Just another stab at this assets test, it should be disposed off, people should demand this from any future Labor government, there is no reason why a person who pays there tax should not have a pension regardless of the income, it was a poor choice to have it in the first place as it was never proposed to affect the average income earning Australian, unfortunately it has become a weapon for the LNP to use against pensioners, and the rhetoric they have used the last six years has built this image for the younger population of pensioners as pariahs to the public purse, something they are proud of.
    kamelmusic
    7th Jun 2019
    1:45pm
    kamelmusic
    7th Jun 2019
    1:41pm
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    Oh boy! So many people with nothing better to do than vent their rusted-on prejudices coloured by tired slogans, abusive language and one-eyed attacks. For many there's an inability to listen to alternative views, to consider other sides of a question, and to contribute to a reasoned debate. Unfortunately the Friday Forum questions don't help either, being badly worded, often ambiguous or prompting a given response. As a result, I have to abandon the site. Hopefully it will improve sometime and take a more balanced and inclusive approach. It has potential for good, but needs to mature.
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    5:50pm
    Don't know why you bother to visit this site either kamelmusic, as I said to someone else with similair views to yours, some people like to be able to have somwhere to air their viewa and it would be a dull old world if every one thought the same and agreed with everything wouldn't it.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    7:57pm
    Told ya - Kameltoe - forewarned is forearmed and letting the bastards know they are in for a fight is usually enough to see their kind off with their empty-headed vagaries of policy thought bubble.

    This site HAS a balanced and inclusive approach - everyone has exactly the same right to post a view...

    Where you bin, laden?
    MargaretS
    7th Jun 2019
    1:47pm
    Leave the family home alone. If homes (mainly the land component) have risen in value over the years then so be it. We have lived in this home for 30 years and spent 21 years in our previous home and I certainly don't want to be driven out of this one simply because it may be worth more than they think we are rightly entitled to. Perhaps two million would be a fair ceiling for a family home. Hit investments first.
    see all.Maryakate
    7th Jun 2019
    4:29pm
    And we have paid our Land Rates which are not cheap for what you get. The only thing we get are three bins. One for garbage, which, seeing as we recycle is not worth the trip to the kerb. Then there is the green waste, then the recycle, which I assume they sell. So not much return on the thousands of dollars. The library, the local roads, rare to get maintenance, but don't forget they fireworks, and that pollution they leave us with. Soif you add all the outgoings over the years the return is not great. And if you downsized would you be better off? Buying a family home was a struggle. One wage earner, kids, no pre schools or day centres, no dinners out or entertainment. These people deserve a return on their homes.
    In recent years the young people want it all, then complain that they can't get ahead as housing is out of their reach.
    Pass the toast and avvo please!
    gazza48
    7th Jun 2019
    1:58pm
    So there was a scare campaign re all the mums and dads with franking credits and OMG they would be so penalised (some might have but it was grandfathered). Now that the LNP is back in office all these little hidden gems are making it to the surface....how unusual!!!
    Pensioners who own their own home went through a lot of years making payments on a mortgage and going without in other areas and because property prices have skyrocketed, they need to be penalised and only those that chose the option of renting should receive a pension....ridiculous. Why is it always the pensioner that is hit and not the politicians with the massive perks they receive when leaving office!
    GeorgeG
    7th Jun 2019
    2:05pm
    How about some happy news for retirees and not worrying us every day.
    see all.Maryakate
    7th Jun 2019
    4:17pm
    Good news George, you are alive. That's happy news!
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    7:57pm
    That's a good day, Sergeant George.....
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    10:54pm
    Yeah, how about some happy clapping George. I’m H A P P Y, I’m H A P P Y, you know I am, I said I am, I’m H A P P Y.......

    Feel better?
    KSS
    7th Jun 2019
    2:12pm
    Calm down everyone. This is a divisive opinion piece from Leon for nothing more than his own entertainment watching posters evicerate politicians and each other with the usual vitriolic venum.
    There is no evidence that this is on any side's agenda either now or the foreseeable future. The ALP are in no position to do anything. The NLP would not attempt such a radical change in this parliamentary period after having fought hard against the franking credit and capital gains tax issues. And no one else would get support in this term of government. So stop getting all worked up over nothing. Do you not have anything better to worry about than made up opinion pieces on obscure websites?
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    3:39pm
    Don't know why you even bother to visit this site if that is the way you feel KSS, nothing better to do perhaps?.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    10:28pm
    “in this parliamentary period” is the important bit in your comment KSS. What then? Can you give me (and others) one good reason to trust Scott Morrison and the LNP who lied their way through the election campaign?
    Triss
    7th Jun 2019
    2:15pm
    Seriously, how would the government do it? How would they work it out fairly? A $400,000, three bed home in Nanango would probably be more than twice or thee times that price in Sydney so would it be fair to penalise the person living in Sydney?
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    2:32pm
    Prefer to living in Nanango to Sydney any time, no drive by shootings or racial problems; good old fashioned pub in the centre, good food and not too far to drive out into nature.
    Priscilla
    7th Jun 2019
    2:35pm
    I have worked very hard and given up a lot to own my home and so ensure a better retirement. I do not live a life of luxury. People who have gone without to own their own home in retirement should not be penalised whilst those who have made little effort benefit.
    sunnyOz
    7th Jun 2019
    2:41pm
    ABSOLUTELY NOT! this makes me bloody angry. So a dump of a place you bought years ago that you have worked and pod to make your home, now that it is suddenly worth allot, the govt wants to take it, because that's what it means. So they can say 'EE value your house at $x, we will happily give you a part pension of $20.50 a fortnight'. So what do you do to live? Sell your house, very doubtful you will find suitable in same area so lose all your support network (plus family may have moved closer to you or vice versa), or sell off a bedroom? Maybe the garage? How can they value it? I can see a nightmare of govt beauracrocy as valuing a home is so subjective. The house next to you might be worth a million, that doesn't mean yours is. If this does come in, I can see there will be a mutiny and bloodbath. NO.
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    3:06pm
    There will be no bloodbath. Remember Howard took all our guns away - Adolf did it and so did Joe Stalin in the 30s. First thing they normally do so I can understand the U.S. for not wanting to give their right to bear arms away.
    ex PS
    7th Jun 2019
    3:30pm
    Howard didn't take my firearms, he had no reason to, I comply with the laws and regulations so am en t it led to own as many firearms as I like. If you can't own a firearm it means you either have a criminal record, a phsycological problem or are too lazy to complete and pass a firearms course.
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    3:43pm
    OK ex PS - you might be the first one to sign up with sunnyOz for the promised blood bath when the home is counted in the asset test. I could not keep my gun although an old soldier because I could not furnish a reason for owning one.
    jfonshea
    7th Jun 2019
    2:43pm
    what about the person with a 1 or 2 mill home and very little income .. what do they do sell the back door?
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    3:01pm
    That person should make an agreement with the heirs to get a decent payment for giving them the house after departure. Quite simple - the full pension should be given and after death the Govt could get the money back before the kids get their hands on the proceeds. The oldies would be allowed to stay where they are happy and the kids would get less of the estate.
    TREBOR
    7th Jun 2019
    4:32pm
    No, Jim - a lifetime of contribution to the fund earns the pension.
    Captain
    7th Jun 2019
    6:21pm
    Cowboy Jim, so the person who bought their home for $20,000 on the outskirts of, say Sydney, 50 years ago, still living in that home today and it is worth $2 million should be penalised?
    Cowboy Jim
    7th Jun 2019
    7:28pm
    No Captain, I do not mean that! But if one has to have one's home assessed in a test then I would like to see the people who thru no fault of their own find themselves with no pension they should be able to get the pension and then the Govt getting the money back after they die, so their heirs are getting a bit less in the estate instead of forcing them to sell the place and leave the neighborhood. Not to everyone's liking but better than uprooting people.
    Captain
    7th Jun 2019
    9:16pm
    Cowboy Jim, so if you own a house as I described earlier, and someone else who owns a house worth a little less than $1 million and both are on an aged pension, then after their death, one persons estate repays the value of the pension to the State, and the other persons estate repays nothing?
    Aussie
    7th Jun 2019
    3:14pm
    LNP is continuing their systematic "Power project" to control all Citizens in all aspects (Raid to ABC is an example) ..... Please do not complain many of you have voted for them ....

    I honestly believe that The Family Home will be part of your asset test within one to two years - The gov. has been pushing for downsize for a long time and making your home as assessable Asset is typical power push to reduce or loose your pension .....
    see all.Maryakate
    7th Jun 2019
    6:06pm
    If it's going to be an asset for the retired, self funded or pensioner then all houses should be subject to the same tax. Can you hear it now, when the politicians are having to claim their home as an asset. Are they that game?
    Aussie
    7th Jun 2019
    6:52pm
    see all.Maryakate ..... They will find a way to skip the reporting ... the same way they are getting enormous pensions today

    Why then get hunders of thouthans in pensions and we only get the max of $26,459 including rental assistance .....?????

    Retired politicians get six-figure pensions for life ...wowowowo 6 Figues 100,000 minimum x Year for life that is a difference of $73,541 minimum ....

    What is the work difference betwen a poletitian and an private company manger that works like a dog over 10/12 hours x day some time a lot more and including weekends sometimes ..... so what is the difference ??????
    Aussie
    7th Jun 2019
    3:32pm
    And now they are getting an increase Yeahhhhhh Viva the Australian politicians .... I am stupid I should join a party and get the big dollars even if I seat on the back bench

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-07/federal-politicians-payrise-backbenchers-morrison-albanese/11189016
    80 plus
    7th Jun 2019
    4:35pm
    ARVO, Do you not read the news papers? the leaked documents concerned alleged misdeeds by our troops in the middle east, no national security involved, they are trying to nail the whistle blower, of course if you want to control public opinion just make every issue a state security affair under the official secrets act, that should keep them silent and compliant.
    OnlyDaughter
    7th Jun 2019
    4:41pm
    Well said 80 plus
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    5:44pm
    And as I said before all sensitive info was redacted so what is the problem Arvo?.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    11:06pm
    We have to fight this travesty. Don’t give up!
    OnlyDaughter
    7th Jun 2019
    4:39pm
    Persons of pensionable age have a right to an Aged Pension. Some of us paid tax towards it which a Liberal National Party government under Malcolm Fraser stole from us. This is one thing over which Aged Pensioners need to flex their muscles. We need to make it quite clear to the thieving, incompetent mongrels in Canberra that the concept of the family home being included in their inflated AssetsTest for the Aged Pensioners is a No Go Zone - as indeed is the reintroduction of the iniquitous Inheritance (Death) Tax which has raised its filthy head recently, Governments treat Aged Pensioners and the Disabled appallingly....don’t let them make it worse.
    see all.Maryakate
    7th Jun 2019
    6:37pm
    The LNP sold the Australian voters a pup. Telling them that under s Shorten Government there would be 'pensioner tax' all lies which they brush over, but continue to sell to the gullible public as true.
    Unfortunately our taxes are used to keep the wolf from the door of those who, through no fault of their own, find themselves on welfare. Be it aged pension, dole, disability, all funded by those already paying tax. Those on the lower end of the income heap contribute also to education, schools, hospitals, roads (infrastructure) so it would be very few who earn enough to pay their own pension, as well as all the other bits they contribute to. So it is important that the haves, contribute to the have nots.
    I don't think there would be too many LNP Governments who have looked after the needy in the past. In recent times Julia Gillard's Gov introduced the Disability support which would never have been passed under present government.
    So we all need to look out for those who are most deserving, to make putting food on the table for all, a right.
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    9:00pm
    Another good post from you Only Daughter except nobody threatened to introduce a death tax - that was a furphy, a lie put out by the LNP to cripple Labor and it worked. Not sure pensioners are good at “flexing their muscles” but we can hope.
    Jimbo
    7th Jun 2019
    5:08pm
    the poll is rigged
    I said not sure to "will the family home be included in the future"
    the next question said "if yes when will this occur"
    as I said unsure it should not require an answer but the program would not let me proceed without an answer. said I must answer 1

    I DID NOT ANSWER "YES" to the previous question
    see all.Maryakate
    7th Jun 2019
    6:39pm
    I didn't answer that question also, but couldn't proceed without answering. It should have had a negative part in list as well.
    Andy
    7th Jun 2019
    5:40pm
    thanks, Trebor that will do me for now keep those money grabbing pricks away from our homes
    La Verne
    7th Jun 2019
    5:49pm
    NO NO NO. Just had to cancel my appointment at the Dentist because I can't afford the work. A family home should go on the debt side of the ledger given all I spend on maintenance. I would be better off renting!
    Tricky
    7th Jun 2019
    7:32pm
    We are being robbed already with 3.25% deeming rate!
    Tricky
    7th Jun 2019
    7:33pm
    Pensioners and Part Pensioners are currently being robbed by high deeming rates of 3.25%!
    Tricky
    7th Jun 2019
    7:35pm
    Pensioners and Part Pensioners are already been robbed with 3.25% Deeming Rate on Cash assets
    Ny19
    7th Jun 2019
    8:47pm
    Wait for it folks - worse is yet to come. The economy is f###ed and we will all pay soon. We have been duped by lies about the budget by Scomo and mates. Yep, we will all pay in one way or another.
    Farside
    8th Jun 2019
    12:57am
    Choices have consequences.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    8:17am
    Yes Ny19 and I said b4 the election if this "Scomo got in we would soon be saying
    Heil and it is proving to be so
    tams
    7th Jun 2019
    9:27pm
    I am sorry but I don't get all these negative and aggressive comments.

    We have a system which tries to look after those who have limited resources or who can't look after themselves.

    If somebody owns a house worth $2.5m, why should that person receive the full pension - Sure, give them a part pension.

    But for everyone in that position who receives a lower pension, it gives the opportunity to increase rental assistance for those who don't own their own property

    From a traditional Liberal voter
    tams
    7th Jun 2019
    9:27pm
    I am sorry but I don't get all these negative and aggressive comments.

    We have a system which tries to look after those who have limited resources or who can't look after themselves.

    If somebody owns a house worth $2.5m, why should that person receive the full pension - Sure, give them a part pension.

    But for everyone in that position who receives a lower pension, it gives the opportunity to increase rental assistance for those who don't own their own property

    From a traditional Liberal voter
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    12:15am
    Typical reply from a Liberal voter.
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    12:20am
    Tams some people may have bought their house for peanuts many years ago but depending where it is it may now be worth millions, but the owners may have no income, so should they be treated the same as someone who puts all their money now into a home worth millions, just to get a govt pension?.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    8:10am
    So right Misty so right so many homes that have been owned for years maybe a lifetime would be worth millions now through no fault of the owners who at the time would have struggled and paid a lot in those times when they would have been lucky to get ($20 POUNDS then) and maybe the home might have cost 4000 POUNDS -- as the dollars were not in then --
    These days those home would be worth a fortune because of the land value alone
    Farside
    11th Jun 2019
    12:05am
    When it comes to social security, there is no difference between the person sitting on a multi-million dollar home purchased for peanuts years ago or the person who reduces cash by indulging themselves when spending up big on the new family home. In both cases the the owners will have the $$$ to fund their lifestyles and help them get over having sold the family home. The house is an asset and should be included in the assets means test. If the threshold is high enough then it won't make a difference e.g. $1M.

    Don't want to sell or finance the family home ... then don't put your hand out to have your welfare subsidised.
    Wader
    7th Jun 2019
    9:57pm
    Somebody's having a lend of us. The stupid poll only allows you to get to "if yes, in how many years" which is a "yes" by stealth.
    Of course it's a bad idea to count the home as an asset, EVER. It's also a bad idea to penalize, demonize and ignore citizens who make all sorts of sacrifices look after themselves and their families. We have all paid our taxes and made the best decisions we can for our later years so whether pensioner or self -funded or Pollies, we should all have the same entitlements from the public purse. After all we have contributed through our working years and what we did or did not achieve is our own business. Maybe someone can correct this, but didn't Churchill retired on the age pension not a parliamentary hand out ?
    And before someone jumps on that, yes he had a pretty cushy lifestyle. That's not what this discussion is about.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    8:12am
    Yes, the poll had NO room for anything but agreement!

    Nothing where you can disagree totally of which I do
    Wader
    7th Jun 2019
    9:57pm
    Somebody's having a lend of us. The stupid poll only allows you to get to "if yes, in how many years" which is a "yes" by stealth.
    Of course it's a bad idea to count the home as an asset, EVER. It's also a bad idea to penalize, demonize and ignore citizens who make all sorts of sacrifices look after themselves and their families. We have all paid our taxes and made the best decisions we can for our later years so whether pensioner or self -funded or Pollies, we should all have the same entitlements from the public purse. After all we have contributed through our working years and what we did or did not achieve is our own business. Maybe someone can correct this, but didn't Churchill retired on the age pension not a parliamentary hand out ?
    And before someone jumps on that, yes he had a pretty cushy lifestyle. That's not what this discussion is about.
    Aviator
    7th Jun 2019
    10:40pm
    Looks like the vast majority have this wrong. According to polls and the latest research, it's the poorer end of town that voted in the LNP. Might not have been any of you on this page but then again you're not the only ones on the planet. Many well to do folk voted for Labor this time round. Have a chew on that!
    Misty
    7th Jun 2019
    11:24pm
    None of my well to do friends voted Labor and also most of my family did not either even though brought up in a Labor voting household, didn't like the safe school and gender thing, listened to too much Alan Jones and Ray Hadley I think.
    RAY
    7th Jun 2019
    11:42pm
    Well said Aviator and tams. Actually tams, I agree with every word you wrote.

    The pension is there to help those who cannot help themselves. We are very lucky to live in a country with such a generous pension scheme. We have free healthcare. We have so much given for free in this country and yet people spit on it. Why should anyone with assets of a millionaire get the pension? Why should I have to support the lifestyle of a whinger who shouldn't be on the pension anyway?

    I am a traditional LNP voter, but this time around thought I'd give Labor a chance. Waste of time. Albo is a donkey leading a herd of donkeys. Thank goodness the LNP is in charge.
    RAY
    7th Jun 2019
    11:44pm
    Yeah right Misty, like they are going to be honest and tell you who they voted for.
    Did you see their ballot paper before they shoved it in the box?
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    12:14am
    No Ray but how do I know you voted Labor?, just take your word for it as I did my friends and family.
    Old Fella
    7th Jun 2019
    11:00pm
    Cost of Rent assistance to Government for age Pensioners without a home is "?", cost of rent assistance to Pensioner homeowners is "?". If it is savings the Government is seeking, perhaps they should be encouraging Pensioner homeowners to retain that asset not sell, recognizing once the asset is converted for income purpose and that currency is spent and discounted through and by inflation over time; ultimately the then non-home Pensioner will be seeking rental assistance from Government to live under a roof. Seems successive Governments have become so addicted to selling Public Assets for short term gain they now wish to contaminate the economy further by forcing the retired public to sell off personal assets to relieve a financial burden incurred by successive Government inadequate planning and foresight. Is there any Leadership or Common sense still surviving in today's economy? And what incentive is there for succeeding generations to work and build for, if there accrued wealth cannot even include their own home at the end of their working life.
    Old Fella
    7th Jun 2019
    11:00pm
    Cost of Rent assistance to Government for age Pensioners without a home is "?", cost of rent assistance to Pensioner homeowners is "?". If it is savings the Government is seeking, perhaps they should be encouraging Pensioner homeowners to retain that asset not sell, recognizing once the asset is converted for income purpose and that currency is spent and discounted through and by inflation over time; ultimately the then non-home Pensioner will be seeking rental assistance from Government to live under a roof. Seems successive Governments have become so addicted to selling Public Assets for short term gain they now wish to contaminate the economy further by forcing the retired public to sell off personal assets to relieve a financial burden incurred by successive Government inadequate planning and foresight. Is there any Leadership or Common sense still surviving in today's economy? And what incentive is there for succeeding generations to work and build for, if there accrued wealth cannot even include their own home at the end of their working life.
    RAY
    7th Jun 2019
    11:50pm
    Hate to say this Old Fella, but the pension may not be around in future generations. They may have to make their own arrangements.
    BillF2
    7th Jun 2019
    11:27pm
    Of course the family home should be excluded from the pension assets test. The fact that we have an assets test is a travesty in itself. When I worked in the UK as a young man, our pension rights were covered by National Insurance. Contributions to this insurance entitled one to a pension regardless of assets. Is the Australian government so bereft of intelligent thought that it cannot devise an equitable retirement scheme?
    The first major problem when including the family home in an assets test is the variability of house prices around the country - the difference between Sydney and Woop-woop. And when house prices rise or fall (as at present), how is Centrelink going to cope with all the variations? Or, do you allow Centrelink to use 'deeming' to set the value of your property?
    The only reason for making this suggestion is to minimise rightful pension payments, and to create feelings of jealousy between pension recipients. Meanwhile, the government is laughing all the way to the bank. And none of the pollies is affected by this. What a wonderful scheme!
    RAY
    7th Jun 2019
    11:55pm
    "When I worked in the UK as a young man, our pension rights were covered by National Insurance. Contributions to this insurance entitled one to a pension regardless of assets."

    True BillF2 and according to the number of contributions you made that determined how much pension you are paid. Are Aussies willing to do the same? Are they willing to make contributions throughout their working life to secure a pension?
    MJM
    8th Jun 2019
    12:04am
    Any pension that I get is just taxes I have paid over my working life. And to think I could be retired now(60) gotta wait 7 more years... unless they change it again... !
    Cowboy Jim
    8th Jun 2019
    7:29pm
    Retire now MJM and spend your savings before you reach 67 and then you get the full pension. If you keep on working you will miss out possibly because of the asset and income test. Do your sums and you might reach the same conclusion yourself.
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2019
    1:46am
    This song is very real of today politics ....... is based on the Merle Travis - Sixteen Tons (original version) from 1947 and is so real on today political movements that make our lifes so dificult in retirement .... not fair ... not nice ....We do not need worries on our old age ...we already work hard and pay big taxes .... Just need some peace with or without any pension ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6I5pQdGNI

    Hope you enjoy .......
    Jannie
    8th Jun 2019
    8:14am
    If this happens most of us will have to sell our houses to have an income because most do not have much super to rely upon. I am so appalled at what politicians are getting in the way of pensions when they are outed, time to look into what the rorting bastards are actually getting. They keep complaining about the aged pension being a big burden on tax payers, well stop immigration or else the pension budget of the future will not cope. Think hard and long all you do gooders and pollies who do not seem to care about us.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    8:24am
    It is time we all stood up for our rights with this dictatorship coming down on us
    Ny19
    8th Jun 2019
    9:21am
    Agree.
    thommo
    8th Jun 2019
    9:34am
    Any government which includes the family home in the assets test, will be removed from office pronto.
    However, any family home worth more than say $3M should be included in the assets test..That is called equitable fairness..
    But for the assets test otherwise, only the income factor should be included in the assets test, not sundry other items like your car (unless it is worth a $million), essential living items for the home (eg clothes, kitchenware etc) and house contents...
    At the moment, your toothbrush and toiletries even count in the assets test. What a joke..
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    10:11am
    And who the hell at the age of 80 + is up to looking and buying and moving house -- I know I am not -- and also I worked long and hard to get here where I would love to have been able to live most of my life BUT HAD to be where the work was --
    LJ
    8th Jun 2019
    10:17am
    Bill Shorten tried his hand at the Class War, striking out at Labor's despised elderly retirees whose only 'crime' was to scrimp and save all of their lives to buy their own shelter and in some cases, to provide needed low-cost rental shelter for others.

    Shorten had not learned his lesson: along with Bowen and others he had been a member of the Gillard government who had also waged Class and Gender Wars against the Australian public.

    This article again flies the kite for Class Warfare and is again aimed at the elderly. Doubtless, obviously, the 'Progressive' (Regressive) political elite of inner 'Malburne' and 'Skydney' (sic) have a grudge against ordinary working Australians who provide for their family and future

    May Labor and Greens exist forever in the political Wilderness and baying at the moon.
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    10:26am
    What rot, class warfare never, have you been taken in by the lies and half truths the LNP ran during the elction?. seems like it, the so called medi scare was nothing compared to the retiree tax scare ran by this govt. Don't bother to visit this site if that is the way you feel about the topics here.
    PlanB
    8th Jun 2019
    10:56am
    AND this Mongrel Morrison is STILL lying!

    He really needs to get a job in real estate or such he would do well --
    Adrianus
    8th Jun 2019
    11:20am
    Misty, you were taken in by the BS from Labor's leadership group. "We have learned our lesson" they said. I tried to explain to you that every signal they were sending made that message hypocritical.
    While Labor said they would tax the top end of town, their policies said the opposite. Only those who were smart enough to hear their words and sieve out the facts saw this.
    Labor planned to hit the workers and retirees many of whom rejected Labor at the voting booths. Labor's strong voting base was the top end of town who believed they would be rewarded. LJ is on the money.
    Labor's voting base at the next election will again be the rich and the very poor. Although some of the very poor are realising this is a much different Labor party from the last century. I see the Public Service sector got solid pay rises.
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    11:53am
    Believe what you like Adrianus, another one taken in by ther LNP deceit I see, well time will tell how the next 3 years go, job losses on the horizen, Telstra already shedding 10,000, a recession coming, shares falling and where is the money coming from to pay for all the tax cuts the LNP promised?, someone has to lose out, hope it is not health and schools,NDIS, maybe all the pensioners who voted for them will have their pensions reduced.
    Adrianus
    9th Jun 2019
    9:25am
    Misty, even the Labor Party think tank are now admitting they need to stimulate the economy rather than their usual wealth redistribution ideology in order to please the electorate.
    Adrianus
    9th Jun 2019
    9:25am
    Misty, even the Labor Party think tank are now admitting they need to stimulate the economy rather than their usual wealth redistribution ideology in order to please the electorate.
    Misty
    9th Jun 2019
    10:09am
    I know that Adrianus, any one with any sernse would realise something needs to be done to stimulate the economy ASAP. it is how it is done is the problem, do you think tax cuts will encourage people to spend more?, I know I wouldn't if I thought a recession was coming.

    Maybe people will just keep the extra money at home. no use putting it in the bank and then again maybe they will just pay more off their mortgage, neither helps stimulate the economy does it, and in the meantime cost of living goes up and more people lose their jobs, not a good outlook is it.
    Old Geezer
    10th Jun 2019
    12:48pm
    OAP is already class warfare. Give everyone OAP That is to be paid back when you die.
    GrayComputing
    8th Jun 2019
    11:17am
    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Now is the season for discontent, so do something about it!
    It is time to kill off this insane hugely expensive pensioner whacking bureaucracy.

    It is time for all of us (yes that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

    We all (that means you) need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.
    thommo
    8th Jun 2019
    1:39pm
    Agree 100% with you GrayComputing.
    Misty
    8th Jun 2019
    2:37pm
    I only visit Centrelink very rarely and do not have to wait long, never yet received a call from Centrelink, do other people have trouble with Centrelink?, I live in the country so maybe it is different in the cities and bigger towns.
    Old Geezer
    10th Jun 2019
    12:44pm
    OAP shoukdbe available to all and any pension received paid back from your estate when you die. That is the only fair way to do it.
    Mad as Hell
    10th Jun 2019
    6:18pm
    The 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test was based on lies which resulted in stolen assets from 330,000 pensioners. The assets limits and taper rate should be reversed and effected pensioners compensated.
    Stoney
    8th Jun 2019
    11:38am
    Everybody wants - want, want, want! Life is tough - get over it - some people are doing better than others, so what? I'm 77, just retired, worked 100+ hours per week most of my life, then made bad investments after my wife died, so now renting, but still living OK! Who cares - nobody - and why should they? Make your own bed, lie on it, and shut up - or go to the Salvos - I stayed with them in the 60's when I was homeless and hungry - they'll look after you.
    ozirules
    9th Jun 2019
    11:24am
    to all those saying it will never happen, I wish I had your confidence. I never thought the assets test would be changed unless the limits went higher to allow for inflation but hey presto the government saw a way of increasing revenue by hurting those with not enough clout to cause them a problem on election day. Still I guess they had to fund their well earned pay rises......excuse me I've just choked on my cornflakes
    Old Geezer
    10th Jun 2019
    12:41pm
    Any pension received should be paidback from your estate whrn you die.
    in2sunset
    10th Jun 2019
    1:20pm
    Paid back from what? If that was the case, everyone would just spend, spend, and not save. Rent, get aged pension. You can't leave much if you haven't got much. Plenty of generational welfare families out there, where 4 generations have never worked. How are they going to pay it back?
    Farside
    11th Jun 2019
    12:11am
    If you have nothing then the debt is waived.
    PlanB
    11th Jun 2019
    11:32am
    Sorry for the interruption --- just been trying to get onto to the FORUMS for over 2 weeks and this is the only one I am able to post on -- all others I can read but not post at all -- I have been trying to get YLC to sort it out but no luck as yet --- I noted that some were asking about me --- thanks for that ---just trying to let them know --- I hope they can read this --
    Misty
    11th Jun 2019
    4:47pm
    Loud and clear PlanB.
    PlanB
    12th Jun 2019
    9:34am
    Still trying Misty another email sent off this morning, this is SO frustrating!
    Misty
    12th Jun 2019
    7:27pm
    Good luck PlanB.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2019
    9:53am
    Yes, Misty, you are dead right about that -- still not heard back -- been on with Chrome but it is their problem with Firefox, so why the hell don't they fix it -- pretty darn slack IMO --


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