PUP loses another senator

After less than a year in the Senate, PUP has lost another senator.

PUP loses another senator

After less than a year in the Senate, the Palmer United Party (PUP) has lost another senator, with Glenn Lazarus announcing overnight on his Facebook page overnight that he would now look to continue in politics as an independent.

The Queensland senator wrote that it “was a difficult decision".  In giving a reason for his defection, Lazarus, a former rugby league international player, said, "I have a different view of team work. Given this, I felt it best that I resign from the party and pursue my Senate role as an independent senator".

Read his media statement below:

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The move comes as a blow for Clive Palmer and his PUP, with only Western Australian Senator Dio Wang remaining. PUP famously lost outspoken Senator Jacqui Lambie last year when she also quit the party to become an independent and party leader Palmer, as the Member for Fairfax, is a senator. Despite promising great things when the new Senate commenced on 1 July 2014, the Palmer United Party now has very little bargaining power.

Should senators, who are elected on a specific party ticket, be able to serve as independents, or indeed, switch parties during a Senate term? How do you think the defection of Senator Lazarus will affect voting in the Senate? Will it make it more difficult or easier for the Abbott Government’s to have its legislation passed by the Senate?





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    Rob
    13th Mar 2015
    9:58am
    I suppose we will need to wait until closer to the next election before we see the major parties get rid of the arcane practices that allow the senate to be constituted as it has.
    Kali-G
    13th Mar 2015
    11:46am
    At one point I considered very seriously of joining the PUP.
    However Palmer's main aim was to get even with Mr Newman and the LNP....and he sure helped that to happen.
    However the main problem is the electoral system of preferences.
    In Queensland the LNP has scored nearly 200000 more votes than the labor bunch...43.4% against 38.3% yet we got a shonky labor trade union government and one vote by the Judas ..(" independent").
    That is NOT DEMOCRACY....
    Untill first past the poll happens...Australia will get total wankers in charge..and we will all suffer...
    Mak
    13th Mar 2015
    11:49am
    Never a more true word was spoken Kali-G.....:-)
    mogo51
    13th Mar 2015
    12:04pm
    I basically agree except that Palmer's motives extended beyond Newman. I did join the party as I was looking for a party that will represent 'middle and everyday Australians; not multi nationals, the rich or the left trade union mavericks, that are on the current political merry go round.
    As you rightly say, back to one vote one value, end preferential voting. Also end the ability for politicians to resign from their elected party banner to an independent, if they resign, then a by election should be called. Watch the defections stop then!!!
    Pass the Ductape
    13th Mar 2015
    12:33pm
    Amen to that Kali!
    Adrianus
    13th Mar 2015
    1:59pm
    Hear Hear Kali-G!!! Well said!!! I have decided not to vote until the Electoral Commission fixes the shonky system.!!!
    What a joke it has become!!
    Sceptic
    13th Mar 2015
    3:27pm
    Well that makes sense mogo51. "I was looking for a party that will represent 'middle and everyday Australians; not multi nationals, the rich or the left trade union mavericks" So you choose a party created out of self interest and run by a self proclaimed billionaire.
    Adrianus
    13th Mar 2015
    5:56pm
    Yes strange how Clive attracted people just like himself when his business experience would have taught him otherwise.
    Anonymous
    14th Mar 2015
    7:47am
    Spot on Kali-G. I had to bite my tongue when a friend tried to persuade me to vote PUP..her reasoning was "he is one of us".!!!
    cough, cough, splutter!!
    Abby
    14th Mar 2015
    2:27pm
    PUP was the only Party that appeared to be on the side of the Seniors
    wally
    18th Mar 2015
    11:31am
    Rats and sinking ships come to mind.

    13th Mar 2015
    12:02pm
    Who put this thick head in anyway (another dopey sportsman) It brings back memories of the Labour Party with a bloke called Peter Garrett ( a third rate singer) who managed to kill four people with his pink bats scheme.
    mogo51
    13th Mar 2015
    12:08pm
    I disagree with your view on Glen Lazarus. He conducted himself with dignity when a member of the Palmer United Party, far more than Clive Palmer, whose behaviour at times was appalling.
    As I have said in another post, leave an elected position, a by election should be called immediately. Where is the next Messiah in Oz politics? A change from the bungling two main parties is desperately needed.
    Mak
    13th Mar 2015
    12:19pm
    There were many more 'pink batts/aluminium batts' injuries and death in Queensland due to heat exhaustion and electrocution which were never reported.
    Thousands of poor Queenslanders were expecting insulation which was stopped.
    Labor won the last Queensland election thanks to the Greens/pink batts approvers, and the unions/pink batts lovers.
    All I can say is, that Qld Labor voters are &%$#)*@& ing idiots.
    Anonymous
    13th Mar 2015
    2:11pm
    Hey Mak glad you didn't swear.
    Kali-G
    13th Mar 2015
    3:58pm
    Peter Garrett...another Labor "joke" and they just keep coming...
    Cheetah
    13th Mar 2015
    8:57pm
    Maybe he was just smart enough not to be willing to tow the party-line
    Mak
    13th Mar 2015
    12:04pm
    We do have a weird political system, party members change their minds to be Independent, which is a misnomer, if they were independent they would stand alone, but no, they are not loyal to Australia as a servant, which when elected, They Swear To Serve, but they are loyal only to themselves by allowing themselves to be 'bribed, conned, nudge-nudge, wink-wink' by any party from which they get the best 'deal'.
    Alex Douglas, jumped from one party to another, and didn't get enough votes to win, starts with a W..........
    wally
    13th Mar 2015
    12:14pm
    The preferential voting system has produced some nasty surprises of late. I am sure Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott would agree that their jobs would be made much easier without the additional complication of having to appease so called independents.
    I would suggest that all candidates would need a minimum number of primary votes before any preference votes could be awarded to them . The number if primary votes would be a percentage of all the formal votes cast in that electoral district. For argument's sake, I would propose a 5% minimum of the total formal vote tally be the threshold for preference votes to be awarded.
    The fact that we see people occupying Senate seats that have had primary votes amounting to less that 2% show how the voters do not always get the electoral outcome they thought they were voting for. The result becomes a sort of "electoral pick a box" in this regard.
    KSS
    13th Mar 2015
    12:29pm
    I think both Ms Lambie and Mr Lazarus should resign their Senate seats altogether forcing by-elections in their electorates. Then stand again as an Independent. It has become clear even from Ms Lambie herself that she needed PUP to be elected in the first place. If people voted for her BECAUSE she was the PUP candidate and what PUP stood for, then they deserve another vote now she no longer is. The same goes for Mr Lazarus. If they are re-elected fair enough. If not, they are there simply for their own agenda under false pretences and their electorates deserve better.
    tia-maria
    13th Mar 2015
    12:36pm
    KSS, I think many of us deserve better under the current Liberal Party??????? and not having a cheap shot at Lazarus and Lambie.
    KSS
    13th Mar 2015
    12:49pm
    I'm not having any kind of shot at Ms Lambie or Mr Lazarus. They were elected as candidates for PUP NOT as Independents nor were they a micro party like Ricky Muir who, after the election, threw in his lot with PUP but remained the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party representative. They have now left the party under which they were elected. For that reason, they should re-stand for election on that basis. As I said, if they are re-elected - fair enough.

    You may think you deserve better under the Liberal Party but they are still the Liberal Party. Ms Lambie and Mr Lazarus are no longer affiliated to the party under which they were elected.
    Luchar
    13th Mar 2015
    1:29pm
    If I understand our system correctly, there would be no by-election should Ms Lambie and/or Mr Lazarus resign as Senators. Since they were elected as members of the PUP, it would simply fall to Clive Palmer to nominate a replacement from his own party. A by-election would only be needed if a member of the House of Representatives were to resign.

    Perhaps Mr Lazarus has reached the conclusion that, though elected as a member of the PUP, he was actually elected to represent Queensland and not the chaotic rantings of the policy-free Palmer.
    Adrianus
    13th Mar 2015
    3:04pm
    KSS, I agree with your thoughts on this one. It cost Clive Palmer a lot of money to get Lambie and Brick those seats. I have a feeling they would not have been elected as Independents.
    Anonymous
    14th Mar 2015
    7:51am
    Palmer sure spent a lot of money getting them elected. I well remember seeing a tv documentary showing them being flown by Palmer to the US where they were wined and dined, taken through the John Kennedy Museum etc etc. They lived the high life for a time there at his expense.
    Anonymous
    14th Mar 2015
    7:54am
    For those who did not see the program...here is a bit about it written by Mike Willessee...worth reading.

    http://www.qt.com.au/news/mike-willesee-clive-palmer-hes-mad-and-dangerous/2281999/
    wally
    18th Mar 2015
    11:30am
    Maybe Big Clive could crush Lambie and Lazarus as a lesson for us all!
    Pass the Ductape
    13th Mar 2015
    12:32pm
    Doesn't matter - they seem to be able to do what they like anyhow!
    tia-maria
    13th Mar 2015
    12:46pm
    ducktape that our politicians .........its unfortunate the voters of Australia put up with this.
    Chris B T
    13th Mar 2015
    12:54pm
    The Senate is differrent to the House of Rep's, that there is no by election and that the Premier replaces the generally deceased Senator whom he so chooses. I might add there term is 6 years and half senate elected every 3years.
    THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO CAREFULL VOTING FOR THESE IDIOTS!!!
    sunny boy
    13th Mar 2015
    12:57pm
    With respect, this move by Mr Lazarus represents just another "line" (not a chapter) in our sorry current Political System.
    Begs the question ... "Do we vote for Individuals rather than Policies" ! ... the Media finds the former as more "fun" and newsworthy for them ... whilst ... we voters are well down the priority list.

    Again with respect to Mr.L' s holding "a different view on teamwork", I'm left wondering where "teamwork" applies in the case of an Independent ?? ... Does "Independent" imply the choice to "float", and get a game with any particular team "on the day" ?... instead of idly being "on the bench" (in football parlance)?

    One has to wonder just where his constituency stands on this ...and ... conversely , how may his vote on any particular day really serve his constituency ? ! One may well ask does abandoning the horse midstream really suit anyone ?

    A strong current ( $$ ? ) could well carry the (ex) rider away downstream to eventually drown ... and his constituency (and their sovereign right) along with him ...

    Voting for any Party these days can be "iffy" and I would be wary about voting for an 'Independent"
    Supernan
    13th Mar 2015
    1:47pm
    Am always happy to have Independents in our Government. Following Party lines has seen lots of bad laws passed, when a lot of party members really disagreed with them but were too scared of their party to vote against it. Not a fan of PUP. But at least Qld has now got rid of a Premier who tried to run it as a business.

    Price may be the only conderation when accepting a quote in businees ( though not always) but when in Government & you cause businesses to close in your State & people to lose jobs in your state, by accepting a cheaper price out of state, its not good policy. And closing nursing homes at short notice, selling public parkland to cheaply to developers for high rise apartments in family suburbs, doesn't make for good life style in the city either, even if the developers did contribute to your party funds !

    Guess us Qld Labor voter must be really crazy - we didnt like all our nurses being sacked, numbers of police cut, emergency services cut, privatisation - which means cutting jobs to make more profits, developers favoured, environmental protections cut, our beautful reef threatened - yes really crazy to not like all that !
    Common Sense
    13th Mar 2015
    2:10pm
    It's amazing how the quality of politicians has diminished since 1970. They are supposed to serve the public, not the public serve them. Look at what this country had back in 1970 and what South Korea, Japan and China had, and what these countries have today. Australia has gone backwards in leaps and bounds, thanks to spineless politicians, greedy union Reps and political correctness. Back in 1970 this country could build anything and we had the skilled people to do it, and shortly through political decisions we wont even be able to feed ourselves. Everyone have such short memories. Nobody was supposed to like Joh, but hell this was a great State back in his era. Everybody had a job, we had the lowest taxes in Australia, the best hospital system in the world, and the cheapest cost of living. Twenty-three years of Labour in this State reversed all that. This country today should be the Industrial and agricultural gaint of South East Asia, but instead the country has been sold off. I was always led to believe that a Democracy was ruled by the majority, not by a bunch of idiots in the minority!!!
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    2:35pm
    As I recall, if you were a mate of Joh's lot you did very well, especially if you were corrupt. The state had some advantages, but we had the lowest income of all the states except Tasmania. Our facilities, except in medicine were shocking and we had the greatest road toll of all states per capita of population. We had the largest low socio-economic group in the country and one of the highest disparity between the rich and poor. Social justice was even worse than it is today and, like today, our secondary industry output was almost non-existent. This state stagnated under Joh and was the laughing stock of the country and still is. If you thought it was great, then maybe it was because you didn't miss what you didn't know was available. I have a long memory and this state was full of little piggies with their snouts in the trough at our expense. Educationally we lived in the backwoods under Jo and most of us had to leave the state to get a decent education.
    KSS
    13th Mar 2015
    3:03pm
    But Joh's wife Flo made a good pumpkin scone! Paulodpotter.
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    4:05pm
    No argument there. I remember trying her scones in Tassie at a shop near where Joh & Flo lived in exile.
    Common Sense
    14th Mar 2015
    1:30pm
    Paulodapotter you are missing the main point. What Australia could produce back in !970 and what they will be able to produce and grow in a few years time...NOTHING. What will happen if we ever have another major war....
    step
    13th Mar 2015
    3:33pm
    i ASK,....do we need a senate?
    Polly Esther
    13th Mar 2015
    3:58pm
    Their ice cream took some licking. Oops, sorry that was Sennitts.
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    4:09pm
    Yes we do. A senate where the members do not belong to a political party and cannot become ministers in the government. They are supposed to be a house of review, not automatically pass or block legislation. We have moved away from the Westminster principal into a corrupt non-democratic gobble - de - gook system.
    dippity
    14th Mar 2015
    4:04am
    A senate is essential, step. The two biggest problems with our senate are these:
    Firstly there are too many senators. Currently there are 12 representatives for each state. We could cut that number in half and not only save money, but also give them all something to do.
    Secondly party affiliations. All senators should get into office on their own merit, not on the name of their party and the order they appear on their party's list. I believe the original constitution had this in mind, as the senate was slated as the "house of review".
    Our current "democratic" system, and I do use the term lightly, is in need of a complete overhaul. Money talks too loudly and is drowning out the voice of the people.
    Two tiers of government are what we need, not three, but that is another conversation...
    Kali-G
    13th Mar 2015
    3:54pm
    If I may add one more comment, than I ask that you check out the following new party:
    themap.org.au
    This could be the alternative to join and support.
    Patriot
    13th Mar 2015
    4:33pm
    Kali-G
    Thanks for that address.
    Just spoke to them and they certainlySound like they want to deploy the correct tactics and have ample vision & Strategy tobe able to "Make a Difference????"

    WWorth further exploring!
    Kato
    13th Mar 2015
    6:36pm
    Worth consideration.
    Not a Bludger
    13th Mar 2015
    4:48pm
    What a joke.
    The "brick with two eyes" and J Lambie (ex army private who had a "boob job" done on the public purse, controlling the passage (actually non passage) of needed national legislation and the media fawning all around as a result.
    The electoral system has to be changed and any change of status/pre-election stance of an elected member must result in an immediate by-election.
    Not a Bludger
    cougar
    13th Mar 2015
    7:29pm
    Another one has seen the light. Let the "pup" party crumble.
    cougar
    13th Mar 2015
    7:29pm
    Another one has seen the light. Let the "pup" party crumble.
    AlbertC
    13th Mar 2015
    7:29pm
    i know who glen lazarus is a champion footballer in rugby and i think he would have w0n on his own reputation he was well liked and is still respected and as far as the crap that comes from you liberal twirps their were many liberal pollies that turned independent over the yrars why did you not call for a re election then and as far as joe t blood sucking march fly went into politics with nothing and came out a millionaire and he was definitely corrupt. have a nice day .
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    7:36pm
    Ah but AlbertC, you have to have one eye to be totally partisan. A lot of people have only one eye and it's great they don't know it, as they might stop walking around in circles and do some real damage.
    cougar
    13th Mar 2015
    7:34pm
    Stop allowing these "Fringe" nincompoops to even attempt to get into Parliament. It makes a travesty, and laughing stock of our government. And, don't forget...we will end up paying their " pensions" if, for some strange reason, these idiots manage to stay more than one election.
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    7:39pm
    There are plenty of twerps who got in under their party's banner with a swag full of votes. A close look at the lineup and even poor ol' Glenn looks like a genius.
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    7:40pm
    Eg. Abetz
    Paulodapotter
    13th Mar 2015
    7:52pm
    One past senator comes to mind who I knew personally. Poor fella never had an original idea in his life. He just happened to know the right people. Bet you even know who I'm talking about. He was an NP. He simply voted with his party whether it was a good idea or not. Do you really want people like that in the senate?
    MITZY
    14th Mar 2015
    10:26am
    cougar: the Senate is doing its job, we need it for some checks and balances once you get a government that thinks it has a mandate for everything it proposed in its election campaign and everything it forgot to mention once it got elected.
    Look how many back-flips have happened because the people of this nation became vocal and voiced their opinions on the"unfairness" of the last budget. People have been voicing their opinion for the last10 months on "unfairness".
    Paulodapotter: Nothing changes much, an election seems to swing positively to either the Coalition or Labor but the people vote the opposite party's senators to keep them honest. Nobody trusts the majority of their representatives, especially if they have to big a swing towards themselves. It was pretty obvious we got what we got last election. Voters seem to be a lot more aware of the senate since the Gillard hung parliament, and thank goodness for that.
    Even this government's cabinet members and backbench don't agree on too much at present.

    14th Mar 2015
    8:56am
    Does anyone else remember the famous interview (lasted 28 seconds) on TV with the ex footballer Mal Meninga. It was so embarrassing for him and anyone watching. He was just hopeless and that was the end of any political career for him.

    You can find the interview on utube if anyone is interested.
    MITZY
    14th Mar 2015
    10:28am
    So all footballers are reincarnations of Mal Meninga? Not all radishes are equal either.
    Adrianus
    14th Mar 2015
    3:13pm
    They are definitely not the same MITZY. Meninga is a Queenslander so you would expect the brick with ears to at least outlast a toad.
    fish head
    14th Mar 2015
    12:05pm
    Dear Clive,
    You established a political party for a variety of reasons of your own some openly stated.You chose a team to support those aims. However you seem to have forgotten what team work requires is give and take and mutual consensus.Don't blame anyone but yourself when the wheels fall off your bus. People are entitled to step down if they believe that they cannot follow the leader.Honour, what an oldfashioned idea, often demands it. The evidence to date suggests you are not running a party but a dictatorship. A sad waste of a lot of money.Time will tell how the public view your ex-members efforts in government.
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Mar 2015
    2:40am
    From the day he put Palmer into the title of HIS Party, Clive was doomed to fail! It was all about HIM....not about team.....and it will always be that way! Mr. Ego trying to buy power in Parliament!!!
    Good Riddance to unwanted Personal Interference with OUR Political System for his own gain.....be it power or Influence....we need to be rid of his type of Political Influence!!!
    The real truth about the Defections from ANY Party Member.....is that they are dictated to on Policy and cannot vote against any legislation that they disagree with.....because the Party Machine will remove them from Pre-Selection next election as Punishment!!!
    You all know this.....you all know they are just Yes Sir Puppets.....yet YOU ALL continue to vote for these Donkey-type Puppets disguised as Real Members who will vote against Legislation that is unfair to the majority of Australians.
    I say disguised because they are unable to vote against Their Party Caucus Policies even when they disagree with them!!!
    As for the Senate......it is not supposed to be dominated by any Party Machine.....it was designed to have Independent Members voted in to REVIEW proposed Legislation!!!
    Unfortunately, they are forced to Vote For or Against.....just like in a court.....you plead Guilty or Not Guilty......however if you want to be heard in a court of Law You have to plead Not Guilty to be heard/have a defence be heard!!!
    So too in the Senate....if they disapprove of the Legislation...they have to vote No!!!...then it goes back to be re-drafted!!!
    An improvement would be to hear/take not of the Objections.....and in return the Legislation to the Lower House with those objections/reasons.....for a re-draft!!!
    At present all the Party Machines are doing is re-presenting the same Legislation and trying to influence the votes!!!
    If reducing the Seniors Pension is not acceptable....surely another way should be sought to balance the budget.....instead of just re-submitting what is un-acceptable....and trying to bully the Senate to pass it!!!
    Personally, BOTH the Left and the Right Wing Parties simply do not know HOW to Compromise or negotiate a satisfactory middle road on Policy. They think they are playing a game against each other that they must win by getting their own way!!!!
    This is not Good Politics.....a Politician needs to negotiate first and foremost......to enable a consensus that will pass it's proposed Legislation!!!
    Bullying tactics simply won't do the Job!
    Might I remind every Party Loyal that it is YOUR Party that stops any negotiation by demanding all Party MP's DO WHAT THE PARTY TELLS THEM!!! This stops any negotiation with any Party Member and turns the Parties into DICTATORSHIPS!!!!!
    Anonymous
    15th Mar 2015
    7:10pm
    What annoys the hell out of me is the fact that the Labor party put forward policies for the last election but now they are voting "against" those very same policies when it is being put forward by the Libs.

    If that is not being bloody minded what is??
    BillyCan
    16th Mar 2015
    10:11am
    I have always been bemused by the idea of the main "conservative" party calling themselves "Liberal". That is by definition, false advertising Yet the people of Australia let them get away with it and have been doing so for over half a century. The fact that the current prime minister has proven himself to be as great a liar as the war criminal, John Howard seems par for the course to me. The great pity is that now the Labor party has joined them in a flat out lie by claiming to support the labour side of the capitalist equation, when they plainly do not.

    The one thing that can be said about Clive Palmer is that you always knew what his agenda was all about. Making himself richer by manipulating the political system and treating the voting public for what they are, unthinking sheep. Apparently the people he chose to stand for senate seats, have woken up to that, finally. Should they resign their seats having resigned from the party? Probably. Would the country be better off if they did? Certainly not. Senate vacancies are not filled from by-elections, but by nomination of the states from which they hailed. Personally, I prefer Lambie and Lazarus at least trying to keep the bastards honest.
    wally
    18th Mar 2015
    11:28am
    For the Liberals to become Australia's leading party for supporting the conservative viewpoint does seem to be a contradiction. So too is the Labor Party, which appears to garner most of its support from society's "Leaners" and the young able bodied unemployed part of society. Even the Palmer United Party is rapidly becoming the "Disunited Party" in the mother of all contradictions.
    BillyCan
    20th Mar 2015
    9:44am
    Most of the comments made here are by the ill-informed and the naïve. The ones that aren't are just wrong. Baaaaaah.


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