Reclining seats banned on airline

A UK airline will be banning reclining seats on all of its planes.

Reclining seats banned on airline

UK airline Monarch will be introducing non-reclining seats on all of its planes. The move follows feedback which showed customers were overwhelmingly unhappy with reclining seats currently used by airlines.

The airline’s new ‘ergonomic’ seats are said to increase legroom while remaining upright during the flight. “The new non-reclining design gives our customers far more “living space” than traditional seats, without the fear of the person in front impinging on their personal space,” Monarch Director of Customer Experience and Marketing, Tom Williamson said.

A survey undertaken last year by Skyscanner revealed that nine out of 10 travellers wish to see reclining seats banned altogether, or restricted to set times on short-haul flights.

What to do you think? Should other airlines follow suit and ban reclining seats? Or do you enjoy being able to put your seat back so you can sleep during your flight?





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    Scottie
    8th Jun 2014
    11:17pm
    Just had the first flight with non-reclining seats (thank you, Cathay). It's hard enough to sleep on planes anyway, but this makes it downright impossible. You can't even change the angle so you can use a pillow. And I don't think there was any more sense of personal space at all. It was a long-haul flight, too. One unhappy flier.
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2014
    2:47pm
    Tough luck Scottie! it's ignorant people like yourself that think they can fall back into another passengers lap any time they like. It isn't appreciated I can tell you!
    amqld
    12th Jun 2014
    2:50pm
    Funny Ductape how you make a judgement call on someones comment above, who is talking about seats that slide used by Cathay Pacific. Have you actually used these seats? So I'm going to make a judgement call, you sound pretty ignorant yourself, from all the comments you make constantly about things you have no idea about eg people up bring.
    chocciefrog
    11th Jun 2014
    10:09am
    PLEASE...YES....PLEASE..barely room to move already..then seat in front reclines..trapped...cannot leave seat...not to mention using ones tray table...
    All airlines should adapt that policy ASAP!!~!!!!
    Fiona
    11th Jun 2014
    10:23am
    I can't agree more, I don't have very long legs and I still get jammed right up to the seat in front and I find it hard to put down the tray at all or enjoy the screen if there is one. It seems to happen everytime I have travelled and it's usually youngish males.
    maxchugg
    11th Jun 2014
    10:35am
    Reclining seats are essential on long haul flights, and should not be a problem if used with consideration be reclining only happening when the lights are out and people are sleeping - or trying to sleep. When all seats are reclined the back of the seat ahead of you moves towards you, you move back an equal distance.
    Reclining the seat should not be allowed to happen when there is light in the cabin or when meals are served.
    More importantly, the distance between the seats on all aircraft - 31 inches in economy class should increase to around 36 inches, even at the cost of increased fares. Nobody who, like me, has had a deep vein thrombosis on a flight would disagree. I survived, many others have been less fortunate.
    dotty
    11th Jun 2014
    1:42pm
    I agree totally, I also agree, maxchugg, with your guidelines as to when the recliners should be used. I regularly travel for over 10 hrs & these trips would be absolutely impossible for that length of time. sitting bolt upright, no sleep and cramp & DVT's from staying in the one position all the time.
    PLEASE RETAIN reclining seats in long haul flights
    Gra
    11th Jun 2014
    9:01pm
    I agree totally maxchugg and dotty. Reclining seating has to be retained on long haul flights.
    amqld
    12th Jun 2014
    2:33pm
    totally agree with maxchugg, dotty and Gra. Long haul would be an impossibility without retaining reclining seats.
    amqld
    12th Jun 2014
    2:33pm
    totally agree with maxchugg, dotty and Gra. Long haul would be an impossibility without retaining reclining seats.
    Tom Tank
    11th Jun 2014
    10:47am
    The traditional reclining seat is a real hassle with too many travellers selfishly not observing the accepted etiquette of showing consideration during meal times etc.
    I have flown in aircraft where the seat slides within it's frame so there is no effect on passengers seated behind but that type of seat is a killer on the back as there is absolutely no support.
    On balance I would prefer to have more upright seating.
    FrankC
    11th Jun 2014
    11:07am
    Sounds like you're talking about the comfortable seats in business class Tom, the only way to fly. I never found it a "killer on the back" and I have 2 degenerate lumbar vertebrae.
    amqld
    12th Jun 2014
    2:30pm
    I would say Tom is talking about the sliding seats used in economy on Cathay Pacific, they are /were terrible not business class. I thought they were replacing them all
    Flotsam
    11th Jun 2014
    11:06am
    Ryan air have been doing it for several years and on short haul it is a very good idea.
    You don't get selfish ratbags reclining seats before the plane has even got it's wheels up.
    Short haul flights don't have enough staff to ensure seat "etiquette" is observed.
    Gra
    11th Jun 2014
    9:03pm
    Oh yeah, Ryanair really set the standard. I suppose you really love their new seating- make that standing, style of flying too.
    fearlessfly
    11th Jun 2014
    11:23am
    YES, YES, YES, this is a constant source of irritation for me on flights, I usually put my arm out straight against the seat in front to prevent it being reclined.
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2014
    2:59pm
    Love that idea fearlessfly... I had a passenger recline her seat right into my lap without so much as 'courtesy call' on the way to Broome one time - just as I picked up my drink of cordial. When I politely tapped her on the shoulder and asked if she minded me having a minute or two to finish my drink and sandwich I received a look that could wither a prune - but the seat went back! Five minutes later I tapped her on the shoulder again and thanked her for her patience and said it was okay by me for to now recline if she wished - however this time I was completely ignored and the seat stayed upright for the rest of the trip. Such an ignorant cow - but you do get them.
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2014
    3:12pm
    Sorry - 'for her to recline if she wished'.

    11th Jun 2014
    1:19pm
    Yes all seats should remain upright. As I am tall, when the person in front reclines it pushes into my knees in an already too tight situation
    Bob
    11th Jun 2014
    1:54pm
    This idea is absurd.
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2014
    2:50pm
    Pffftt! Get used to it...
    sparky2007
    11th Jun 2014
    2:16pm
    I wholeheartedly support a ban on reclining seats. I am a very short person but once someone reclines their seat, I feel squashed and can hardly move!
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2014
    3:09pm
    Yes! yes! And yes again! About time some courtesy was forced upon those sods who feel it is their right to force themselves back upon others. Probably accounts for their parental upbringing which only taught them ignorance and bad manners.
    Chat
    11th Jun 2014
    3:36pm
    maxchugg the problem with your theory is that eventually there is a row of seats with a division wall behind them which prevents those seats from relining as much as others. We were recently on an overnight long haul flight and it was backbreaking to try to get out of our seats because we were so squashed by those in front. People do not show courtesy during mealtime. While agreeing that fully upright seats on long haul flights may not be the full answer I think the amount seats recline could be greatly reduced.
    Rusty
    11th Jun 2014
    3:38pm
    A good idea, bring it on ASAP. I am tall Fellow when the person in front reclines the seat it pushes into my knees in an already too tight situation, very Uncomfortable
    dippity
    11th Jun 2014
    3:48pm
    I prefer my seat upright, because of spinal problems. Have only had one bad experience when the seat in front landed on my 4-month old knee replacement. The person in front was very obliging when I asked her to lift it slightly. Made me very nervous for the return flight though. I find it very difficult to get out of my seat when the seat in front is reclined. I'm afraid that swinging on that seat is necessary for me to get out, but have had no complaints about that as yet.
    RichF
    11th Jun 2014
    4:02pm
    To all those who are yelling and screaming, may I say that I wish you all well and hope that you will 'benefit' from non reclining seats VERY soon and that you continue to use this feature on ALL future flights. A few years ago I met this device on a Jetstar flight from Adelaide to Brisbane and all I can say is that the agony still remains in my memory. I am not a giant and definitely not overweight AND I had an aisle seat. None of this helped in easing the severe discomfort. The flight time was advertised as something like two hours or so but when the announcement was made that we would be at least half an hour late because of operational difficulties I nearly screamed as I could no longer bear the cramped (Don't forget more passengers can be crammed in without recliners) and awkward seating. Arrival at Brisbane saw me proceeding in a cramped and still painful position along the walkway and I was unable to stand in an upright position for a good half hour. NO WAY will I ever knowingly board an aircraft having that configuration again. Incidentally, we heard from cabin crew that this was a brand new aircraft specially built with the rigid seating and that it was just off the production line. Later rumours say that the trial lasted about a month or so and that the aircraft was then modified to normal standard. That''s how the public reacted to the stupidity.
    None of this disagrees with comments on the rudeness of passengers who recline fully as soon as the wheels leave the ground. There is only one word for them.pigs
    Ny19
    11th Jun 2014
    4:47pm
    Yes ban reclining seats. I have never felt the need to recline unless the person in front has reclined on toward my seat. Being reclined is no more comfortable than remaining upright. In fact it's less comfortable because it's harder to get in and out of your seat when everyone has reclined.
    particolor
    11th Jun 2014
    7:44pm
    And all started Snoring !! ZZZZZZ!
    Gra
    11th Jun 2014
    8:59pm
    You have got to be kidding - have you ever flown overseas? If you have, did you try talking to the person in front of you?
    Syrena
    11th Jun 2014
    6:52pm
    Oh dear folks have we all gone barmy??? What we should be doing is lobbying airlines to decrease seating density to allow enough room to be comfortable. I don't care about budget airlines or flights of less than 2 hours. If you want to fly budget airlines because they are cheap then put up with being crammed in like sardines in a can. Don't encourage other airlines to adopt it. Instead tell them you will pay maybe another $x number of dollars for space. I hate it when a boofhead just shoves their seat back into your face just as you are about to sip coffee. But alas this is the fault of the airline as is a lack of staff on short haul to maintain some form of etiquette as one commentator made below! What??? How about people get their manners out and for an few hours behave as though there are others on the planet besides themselves. I'm not paying for an attendant to deal with rude people. And, its not fair that the pathetic airline owners would put their staff in such a pitiful and thankless position. Now I've got that off my chest I'd better book my flights.
    Gra
    11th Jun 2014
    9:07pm
    Here here Syrena, good to see someone with some common sense and who lives in the real world posting a comment.
    Tim@toc
    11th Jun 2014
    8:05pm
    Whilst I agree that bad manners and lack of consideration is a big part of the problem these days, only a few of you hit on the real problem. Reclining seats on long haul flights were never such a big issue until the greedy bloody airlines increased the number of seats, or if you like, reduced the distance between seats, so much that their aircraft are now unbearably uncomfortable, reclined or upright. All in the name of greater profits. I am only moderately tall, but my last flight to India was agony on three legs due to the reduced distance between seats. Pushed hard back in my own seat my knees were still jammed tight against the back of the seat in front. The last leg home from KL was bliss. An almost empty Boeing 777 allowed me to put up all the armrests and lie down. Slept most of the way. But that hardly ever happens. I haven't flown since. I can't afford business class, and I refuse to put up with the extreme discomfort of cattle class, regardless of reclining or non reclining seats. So, sadly, my travelling days are probably over. Well done airlines.
    maxchugg
    11th Jun 2014
    8:38pm
    Tim@toc, let's not be too tough on the airlines. When I was in primary school a trip to England was an impossible dream, yet I have been at least 4 times, also to France, Germany, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore, all thanks to increased efficiency leading to lower costs.
    I retain my view that with air travel as inexpensive as it is, an increase in the seat pitch at the cost of a proportionate increase in fares would be as important and necessary as seat belts in cars, for example, to reduce the risk of DVT.
    When you take into account how many airlines have gone bankrupt in the last decade or so, "greedy" hardly seems to be appropriate. Overall I think they do a remarkably good job.
    Syrena
    11th Jun 2014
    8:57pm
    Maxchugg, most airlines have gone broke the same way as other businesses in the past have gone broke (regardless of what they are selling) and that is mainly "ignore their customer". If every airline offers cheap seats by packing everyone in like sardines then what is the difference as to who you fly? Cheap is cheap and when you get down to real cheap there is nowhere to go. The demise of Qantas (for example) is due solely to the idiots code sharing with Jetstar. I've sat many a time on a Qantas flight and paid a higher price than the dude next to me who booked through Jetstar at a cheaper price. How do I feel (cheated). Then the next time I get on a Qantas flight.... deary, deary me they've added a few more rows of seats to deal with the spiralling race to the bottom on price. Overall, I think most airlines except the likes of Emirates or Southern China have lost the plot. Keep bashing price and all you'll get is Greyhound bus quality and service. If you paid just another $100.00 on your ticket for space, would you still have made those extra 4 trips? If no, then you are about price an good luck to you. But you know what, 80% + of a plane is filled with economy class and you along with the rest of us who can't afford premium, business or first are the mugs covering an airlines costs and getting no space or service. Get real and force the airlines to create space.
    Gra
    11th Jun 2014
    8:58pm
    Non-reclining seats may be OK on short flights - I mean to say, how long would the longest Monarch Airline flight be, 2 to 2 1/2 hours? For longer flights that kind of seating is just not appropriate. What happened to common courtesy and communicating with your adjacent passengers before reclining your seat? Try taking a 10 hour flight and not being able to recline your seat, those agreeing that non-reclining seats are a good thing would soon change their opinion.
    owalsot
    11th Jun 2014
    9:21pm
    I agree totally with the move to non reclining seats to inconvenience the inconsiderate people who think it is their entitlement to recline their seat at any time and intruding into your space be it meal time or watching a movie or wanting to leave your seat to visit the rest room. This becomes even more difficult if you have a window seat and want to get out to the aisle. We recently took a Jet star business class flight to Phuket and the business class seats were as normal economy and the idiots in front of us reclined on take off and never put their seats up for the whole 9 hours of the flight. I would have liked to have done something unlawful to these inconsiderate bastards.
    Young Simmo
    12th Jun 2014
    12:54am
    What a load of garbage, I got my drivers licence in 1957 and have had non reclining seats since then and not a single problem.
    You are a mob of Cry Babies.
    Scottie
    12th Jun 2014
    11:17am
    Young Simmo, you obviously don't try to sleep for several hours in your car...
    Wstaton
    12th Jun 2014
    1:33pm
    It would appear that the obvious solution to this is to have reclining seats but limit how much they can be reclined.

    I travel on Vline buses a lot. They have reclining seats but can only be reclined a couple of notches as not to interfere with the passenger behind.
    legin
    12th Jun 2014
    2:25pm
    Yes please !!! There is enough room as it is and when someone reclines the seat in front of you cant move, finish your meal/drink, read or anything with close to any comfort.
    amqld
    12th Jun 2014
    2:53pm
    I fly several times a year, so far this year 10 times, 3 of these long haul all in economy. While it is an issue if you are trying to eat, having someone recline their seat, its not impossible and Im not that small. It could/can be adverted by flight attendants, having everyone in the upright position during meal times, they manage to on take off anfd landing so this would be no different................... Or here's a thought, the airlines could stop being so greedy and have larger seats and more space between rows of seats. I personally wouldn't fly long haul on any airline that didn't have reclining seats!!
    lorelei
    12th Jun 2014
    5:57pm
    Yes, unfortunately too many selfish inconsiderate people make this necessary so we can be comfortable.
    redxdingo
    13th Jun 2014
    3:19pm
    YES YES YES PLEASE Ban reclining seats I am so tired of hgaving someone elses snoring or not head slammed into my face Or knpocking my tray with meal or work on it
    Please just stretch your legs & grab a pillow and sleep that way
    Scottie
    13th Jun 2014
    4:20pm
    What don't you get? It's not possible to sleep bolt upright.
    On some seats you can't even fit a pillow under your head unless there is some angle of incline.
    The problem would be better solved by having more "upright times" and urging people to show consideration for others. But that also includes letting people sleep if they can. I would never recline while someone else was trying to eat their meal, but consider it fair that I be able to at least try to sleep.
    MandM
    13th Jun 2014
    7:23pm
    I wish people would realize that my seat is my space - front , back , or sideways - seats should always be in the upright position for meals but once over if I want to recline it is my right to recline - since when does the person behind have more rights than me ?
    Scottie
    14th Jun 2014
    2:11pm
    Well said, MandM.
    Adrianus
    15th Jun 2014
    4:59pm
    Recline or not to recline? With no recliners the crew have 1 less job to do. That cant be bad, given that they are now doing a lot more baggage handling.


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