Australians prefer to retire at or before they reach 65

Few Aussies retire at 70, an age pension threshold the Government is proposing.

Aussies not willing to work past 65

Australians are nowhere near ready to wait until 70 years to retire if the reality of YourLifeChoices members is anything to go by.

Our Insights Survey 2018 revealed that only 7.8 per cent of members worked until they were 70 or older before hanging up their hats.

More than three-quarters, or 76 per cent, had retired by the time they reached 65. The remaining 16 per cent were between the ages of 66 and 69 when they stopped working.

The notion that Australians should wait until they become septuagenarians to become eligible for the Age Pension is a zombie measure from the Federal Budget 2015.

While the Government has postponed introducing the measure in legislation to the Parliament, YourLifeChoices managed to get Treasurer Scott Morrison to admit last month that it was still government policy.

The staged increase in pension age from 65 onwards applies to Australians born after 30 June 1958 who wish to claim welfare retirement benefits from 1 July 2025. The intention is that by 1 July 2035 you would have to be at least 70 before becoming eligible for Centrelink payments. In other words, if today you are around 53 years old, or younger, you will have to work at least another 17 years before claiming an Age Pension.

The Coalition Government is arguing for an increase in the eligibility age to 70 because it says that Australians are living longer and their later lives will be healthier than those of previous generations.

If it succeeds in having the threshold lifted, Australia will have the oldest retirement age in the world.

However, with current Labor policy being opposed to lifting the Age Pension entitlement age, the Coalition will face an uphill battle to introduce the measure.

As Labor Shadow Minister for Families and Social Services Jenny Macklin exclusively told YourLifeChoices in April: “We are strongly opposed to this. It is unfair. There is evidence that it would be harsh, particularly on those with difficult physical jobs, farmers, builders, nurses. There is also evidence from the US of a big gap between high-income earners and low-income earners in life expectancy.

“The proposal is very unfair as low-income people already have a lower life expectancy. The Government should take this legislation out of the Budget as it is grossly unfair. And the numbers show that 375,000 people would be hit in the first four years – an overall cut to the Age Pension of $3.6 billion.”

Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) support the view that in the developed world, Australia would have the oldest retirement age.

The following graph from 2014 shows that in countries as diverse as Belgium and Turkey, the official retirement age for men is 60. At the other end of the spectrum, the countries with the oldest retirement age were Israel and Norway at 67.

Germany and Canada have flagged that they intend to increase pension entitlement age to 67 by 2029, according to a report in The Conversation. The Czech Republic, whose retirement age is officially 63, also intends to lift its threshold to 67, but its citizens will be able to wait it out until 2044.

The Actuarial Association of Europe explains that most countries develop retirement age policy together with official statistics and projections around longevity. Among the countries the association says are about to review pension ages are Denmark, Cyprus, France, Netherlands, Portugal, Slovak Republic and the UK.

However, even official projections of future pension ages in the rest of the world show that no country is predicted to have a threshold of 70 years any time before 2035, as the Coalition is proposing, according to The Conversation’s FactChecks.

Will you have to wait until you turn 67 or older before you become eligible for the Age Pension? Would you agree for the Age Pension to be paid only to those over 70 who were still fit to work? Do you think a medical assessment should be undertaken before a person aged 67 or older is denied an Age Pension?

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    Grime
    21st Jun 2018
    10:44am
    i am on newstart payments of around $600 p/f. the pension is around $800. as ill have to wait till I'm 66 for the pension, I'm saving australia over $5000. cant wait for the pay rise.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:50pm
    Fair point. You deserve at least one answer.
    Hasbeen
    21st Jun 2018
    1:34pm
    So you aren't trying to get off newstart, & earn your own living?
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    1:59pm
    Of course he is - that's part of the deal.
    MD
    21st Jun 2018
    9:40pm
    "Pay" is it Grime ? People work to earn income which constitutes their 'pay'. Your case is receipt of a social benefit... significantly different. Your claimed "saving australia" is totally erroneous - on the contrary it is in fact a cost. Be thankful for small mercies.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    12:50am
    Unemployment Benefits and Pension are a right - Bob Menzies said so when he set up the current system...

    Such low payments are immediately recouped back into the taxation system and attain zero net loss to the economy - unlike the offshore spending and hoarding of profits by the fat cats overpaid and under-worked.

    Thanks for coming. Train hard and you might win a match next year.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    2:21am
    I'm sure I could dig up a pair of jack boots for you to kick him with, MD...... if it makes you feel better....
    Adrianus
    22nd Jun 2018
    8:06am
    Grime it's great that you have aspiration. The next step is to see if you can challenge yourself. That doesn't mean that you need to fit in with others opinions of what is normal, it just means that you could have a higher opinion of yourself?
    tisme
    21st Jun 2018
    10:46am
    I had better be able to get the age pension if /when I am old enough. at the moment I am a carer and the government pays me 3.50 an hour to care for 4 people. what ever age the poiies push it up to ,they can still retire at 60
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    10:54am
    Don't count on it with the current scum in government.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:39am
    They actually 'retire' into another lucrative earner once they 'retire' from politics - and that's without taking into account all the nice little earners they've gathered along the way by 'networking' among their 'fellows' and their cronies and getting in on the ground floor of often multi-billion dollar government expenditures that they approve.

    A politician never retires - nor do they just fade away - but they just keep on sucking off the public purse.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:11pm
    You can retire at 60 too and if you have super you can access it too. Same as the pollies so I don't know what you are on about.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:18pm
    Mick, very disappointing that an obviously intelligent bloke like you would resort to such pejoratives - I reckon you are better than that old fella!
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:20pm
    Unfortunately we do know what we are on about, OG - the simple reality is that the majority of retirees will retire with little to nothing more than the Pension.

    You make it sound as if everyone has had a dream run on super for an entire working life of 50 years - when the entire universal superannuation system has only run 25 years, and that during multiple economic and employment collapses.

    You don't know what you are on about, pure and simple.

    Of COURSE you can retire at 60 IF you have the super..... many don't....
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    12:20pm
    Old geezer for your info the pollies get way above the age pension rate, they could not live on $840 a fortnight.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:22pm
    Pollies pension is part of their employment package so has nothing at all to do with those who collect welfare (ie OAP). If you can't understand that then no wonder you make such silly comments.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:22pm
    Trust the Lieberal peanut-gallery hacks here to knock Mick.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:24pm
    The silliest comment here, OG, is yours. The OAP is not welfare, but an entitlement.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:28pm
    Nope the OAP is welfare paid to those who have no other means of support. Pollies pension is part of their entitlement and they can earn whatever they like and still get it. This is the same as people with super as well.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:35pm
    We didn't vote to give them massively preferential super ... and certain not to fund them for life for a few years in Parliament, a bonus that nobody else gets.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:39pm
    Trebor yes you did simply by voting them into office to make that decision.
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    12:51pm
    Yes, the Politician Super is part of their package, but the money they contribute nowhere reflects the pension they end up with. So who is funding the shortfall, the taxpayer! And OG, unless you’re in a closed defined benefit scheme, Super is just the individuals contribution plus interest. Nothing loke
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:51pm
    We weren't offered any choice of their remuneration at the election booth.......

    Put it up for public vote and see what the result is..... I put this challenge to you......

    Let's see how the people really feel about all this, with a plebiscite.... then we can talk reasonably on firm ground.
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    12:53pm
    Sorry, nothing like the Parliamentary Super Scheme
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    2:00pm
    You're right there - there's nothing like it.....

    ... and it's totally without merit.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:30pm
    There are actually much better super schemes available and some of the pollies have them as well.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:42pm
    Big AL - how am I incorrect. Scum is scum no matter where it occurs. You only have to watch the bastards as they stand in front of the cameras lying and leering at the cameras safe in the knowledge that the business owned and controlled media will push them back into office with the month before the election being one sided propaganda to convince the mentally challenged.
    I don't believe I have understated the truth. Think about some of the front bench characters and tell me you can trust them and that they are not offensive.
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    2:47pm
    That is absolute nonsesnse OG, there is no better superannuation scheme than the Parliamentary Scheme. I’m sure many politicians also have money in other super funds. They can afford to as well as get the tax free status
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:43pm
    Obviously Sundays you don't have a better one then. Many do.
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    6:02pm
    OG, who are these many who at the Minimum can get 50% of salary as a pension which is indexed and payable for life after only 8 years service, plus supplements ? Stay 18 years get 75% plus, plus. All this and your contributions don’t come anywhere near matching the return
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:13pm
    My super pays me a lot more a year than I ever earnt in a job. So I'd be very disappointed with 75% after 18 years.
    Triss
    21st Jun 2018
    7:45pm
    You’re not being realistic, OG, the pollies so called employment package is nothing short of corruption. A group of “good old boys”
    politicians got together in a back room somewhere and illegally donated themselves huge amounts of taxpayer money for no work for life. Their pensions are not entitlements they are thefts.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:00pm
    OG - that could only be true if you were an MP in your working life. Don't tell me...the Liberal Party? Now posting propaganda for the Party.
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    9:59pm
    Yes OG the average politician retires with a pension of six figures. Doesn’t have to monitor investments, it just turns up in the bank every fortnight for the rest of their lives. You obviously do better, so I can see why you would be disappointed with that amount.
    libsareliars
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:28pm
    Well said Trebor, why is it that the pollies don't have to abide by the same rules as us. They are the biggest leaners and hypocrites around.
    Cowboy Jim
    23rd Jun 2018
    8:11am
    Might quite often agree with Old Geezer - but the OAP is an entitlement not welfare. I was promised a pension when I started work at 15; I did the hard yard and have made sure I get at least a part pension. You may call OAP welfare for people who never worked, plenty of them around here. Their only achievement was getting to 65 years of age.
    Rosret
    21st Jun 2018
    10:51am
    What they are really saying is that if you wish to retire before 70 you have to fund your own retirement until you are 70.
    With compulsory contributions that really shouldn't be an issue ......except for:
    The person how has stayed home to raise children.
    The person who has had to become a carer.
    The person who is divorced and has had to split their assets.
    The person who has become a widow(er) and was relying on the partners assets and future earnings.
    The person who is unwell, injured or cannot sustain the job they have trained for because of the physical requirements
    The person who has been made redundant and is unemployable (after 50).
    The person whose job has caused PTSD and can no longer work in their trained field of expertise. etc etc
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    10:58am
    "Wish to retire"?
    Come on Rosret. We both know that this government is trying to keep Australians off the pension. This is just one of a number of ways to achieve this. The hope is that people will die on the job and some will.
    The cry is "Australia cannot afford it" at the same time that this bunch of crooks is handing out $50 billion to the top end of town as well as reducing their person tax rates on top of that.
    Tell me about fair. This is class warfare from crooks in suits.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:48am
    Ah - that explains why so very many these days STILL retire with ONLY the Pension......

    All well and good, Ros, but the superannuation fiasco has to run a full course of fifty years of a single working life to actually begin to benefit the recipient properly... make that fifty-five years of working life if this lot have their way... and ONLY fifty two if Labor gets in.

    I'm assembling a policy platform to send to Billy Shorten... with some dire warning over his party's current Bolshevik elitist approach to its elected representatives, and a heap of other useful tools that his party, if they ever want to be of any value again, should be looking at.

    Did I ever (I know I did) mention to yez all that the pre-revolution Communists (the Leninists etc) considered THEIR level of society as 'The People', and the rest as cattle in the fields? Hence the infinite preference for 'party members' etc in Russia/China etc. Stalin and the filthy workers/soldiers came as a huge shock to them, and Stalin effectively destroyed them as a force in society....funny that.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:51am
    Oh - funny how that compares with the current elitist Labor lot and their view of the struggling masses as cattle to be driven to wherever the party wants them to go.....

    They who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

    But what choice do we have between this pair of parties of parasites, this Tag Team, this Government Of Two Parties?
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    5:10pm
    There are some absolute rubbish comments in this thread today from all the usual nongs (includes you, Mick). What are the facts? Are we - in general - living longer? Yes! Does that cause higher outlays for the health system? Yes! Is it possible for people to continue to contribute to the workforce until aged 70? In some cases, Yes! Is the population ageing? Yes! Will there be fewer workers in 20 years time supporting more pensioners? Yes! So why wouldn't a government with an eye on all this, be making plans to combat what will become a fiscal time bomb, if not managed carefully? Get real people - I am thankful that we have a government looking past the horizon of the next election - and you should be too!
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:14pm
    Exactly Big Al.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    6:24pm
    Big Al - here are the facts:

    1. Many other countries have a universal pension system which is not loaded against its citizens to cut people out.
    2. Manual workers CANNOT in most cases keep working. By way of example most plumbers are done at 50 because their backs and knees are kaputt.
    3. Your system is completely weighed against ordinary citizens, the ones you have little respect for. These people will NEVER be able to save enough to retire early like the top end of town you are plugging.
    4. The government has no money? Come off the grass mate. This lot have money for the top end whilst spruiking 'budget repair'.....which they want dirt poor workers to pay for.

    You post has all the overtones of the aristocracy telling average people who are doing it tough to 'eat cake' when they are struggling to even pay their living costs. Disgraceful unfeeling person you show yourself to be. Time to rejoin the human race rather than the Liberal Party. Sorry but you get me going with your distorted 'facts' and conceited attitude to average Australians, who deserve better than betrayal at every corner.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    12:53am
    I find there are many in these threads who are incapable of understanding anything beyond some mythical bottom line as fudged and spun.

    As for my good self - I seek to educate the cogniscenti among us, so that they are more aware of the realities - often worldwide - beyond what they feel and know in their water..... basically that they are being robbed daily.
    Farside
    25th Jun 2018
    11:54am
    @Trebor, really? There are indeed many with some confused points of view however you show a wee touch of hubris in thinking you "educate the cogniscenti" given they are, by definition, already well informed. If the cogniscenti are being robbed daily then they already know it. Much more productive for you to channel your efforts toward educating the ignorant and misinformed from going by what they feel and know in their waters.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    10:53am
    HARSH is the pertinent word here. This is what we can all expect from the current government.
    The reality for many workers is that the top end of society will have been able to build a significant nestegg whilst average citizens will likely retire with not a lot in the kitty. Just what this government wants so it can keep people in a job until the fall off the perch and not draw $1 in pension. The rich on the other hand can retire at any time they wish.
    If readers do not think we are in the middle of a blatant class war with the top trying to enslave working Australians then they either do not have the ability to see beyond the end of their noses or are employed by this government, as are a few of the posters on this website who constantly come up with the party propaganda.
    I was fortunate enough to be able to throw in the towel in my 50s. Many of us would not have that luxury. Having said that we still have to work hard to make what we have support us but it beats a stressful job where you are a part of a relentless sausage machine and the big hours and unpaid overtime are taken for granted.
    I understand why people do not want to work to 70. It might be alright for office workers but the people who put such a policy together might want to work for a plumber or the like for a year and then be told to keep going to 70. A total nonsense put on the table by an arrogant uncaring bunch of misfits waging their class war. They will be gone within a year.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    11:20am
    Nope the LNP will win the next election as Labor has nothing to offer the voters.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:31am
    Labor will end the class war. Your employer will escalate it if elected again. It's a clear choice for voters. The runs are on the board.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    11:32am
    Labor is the only one with a class war. Union members verse others. Watch out.
    Not a Bludger
    21st Jun 2018
    11:35am
    Ha ha, Mick, the truth at last - so you have been on the public teat since you were in your mid 50’s.
    Just the same as all the others just wanting the government (aka we the taxpayer) to stick free money in your claw for as long as possible.
    This not a “class war” matter but I a “free money for Mick” matter.
    I, like many, many others was entirely happy to work to 73 and do not want any free money for the privilege.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:37am
    I recall Rudd split ambassadorships equally. Abbott gave all to his cronies.
    This government is shovelling money to the top end of town. Labor does not do that and has always been fair.
    This government is moving the pension age to 70. Labor will not.
    This government has attacked retirees and denied many a pension. Labor will not.
    This government has supported fraudulent offshore tax shelters. Labor has stated it will end that game.

    You can post all of the right wings lies you like OG. Readers are aware of your immoral side of politics. We don't believe you and your words are falling on deaf ears.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:53am
    Is that the same OG who crows that Union membership is only 10%?

    Perhaps he could explain how those people who simply go to work and expect a fair return and fair conditions are engaging in 'class war'.... oh ....... SORRY ... it's Class War to expect Bossie to actually pay his/her way..... by the rules.....
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:55am
    Oh - and Mick has stated many times he is not 'on the public teat' but self-funded in retirement.

    Perhaps the only relevance to how one derives one's retirement income is in their actual ability to see right from wrong......
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:30pm
    The delusion in the Lieberal Party hack Rightards here is strong...
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:32pm
    Trebor I haven't a clue what percentage union membership is and quite frankly I don't really care as long as they keep it to themselves and not involve me.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:36pm
    How do they involve you, OG?
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:42pm
    By making stupid laws that I don't wish to confirm to.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:54pm
    Such as?

    and:-

    Ho does that affect you directly,
    and:-
    How does it differ from the 'other' party?

    Do you imagine you are Robinson Crusoe the First, with total control over your island domain, and that no other view counts or has any merit?
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:44pm
    OG you crack me up. You post propaganda and BS. When confronted with the facts you ignore them, respond with nonsense because you are unable to refute the facts or claim "fake news".
    The only fake news we see is on the big commercial outlets which are a part of the top end of town.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:46pm
    Oh yes, and yours as well the other party trolls who arrive at the appropriate time...like the day after Shorten gave his budget response. Must be a pretty big wages bill for the government. no wonder it has more than doubled the debt.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    11:20am
    Great idea to raise the OAP age to 70 as then people can retire when they like and spend down their own money and save the taxpayers heaps instead of saving their money and giving their heirs a lottery win. This is enough for me to vote LNP in next election.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:29am
    Back from the morning party meeting early OG?
    Yeah, you would say that (in ignorance) as you are well aware that those with significant assets will retire when they want anyway.
    We all know you will vote for your employer. Good luck.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    11:30am
    Mick I usually vote Labor but haven't voted for years. Time has come to give the LNP another term.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:32am
    Ha, ha, ha.
    You NEVER vote Labor OG. Your posts are generally propaganda posts for this bad bad government.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:55am
    OG doesn't vote - said so many times......
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:33pm
    "Time has come to give the LNP another term. "

    And see Australian society destroyed completely - except for the rich minority. Brilliant...
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:09pm
    Yes I think I'll vote LNP as they are the best of a bad bunch.
    Hasbeen
    21st Jun 2018
    1:43pm
    Can't vote Labor.

    They will open the taps on boat people again, & those who hope for public housing in retirement will never get any.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:31pm
    If you vote Labor you won't get your OAP until you are 80.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:47pm
    If you vote coalition you won't get a pension. Sorry, that is already starting to happen with worse to come.
    Cowboy Jim
    21st Jun 2018
    3:31pm
    Exactly OG - this is what I have done, retiring early, spending the super and now getting a part pension with all the trimmings the SFRs are missing out on. Put your dough under the carpet when Short-on gets in - old Fraser (PM) said the same some 40+ years ago. No- brainer really - spend your money before they are counting it. Anyone who has previously lived in a Socialist "paradise" could understand what I am writing about
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:48pm
    What pension Mick? I have no chance under either LNP or Labor of getting one.

    Cowboy Jim that's what I tried to do but I make a lot more money retired than I ever did working. I wish I had retired even sooner now knowing what I do now. It seems the more I spend the more I make now too.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    3:56pm
    Neither do we OG.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:09pm
    OG is lying yet again. He has repeatedly claimed he doesn't vote. Now he claims he ''usually votes Labor''. How do you ''usually vote Labor'' if you don't vote, OG?

    As for your BS about retirement at 70 - all raising the retirement age does is persecute the less advantaged. It is those who are paid least and therefore have least opportunity to save - and those most likely to be ripped off by dishonest employers and be unable to defend - who are MOST likely to suffer ill health and be unable to continue working until they are 70. Only the most disgustingly inhumane would support such a cruel and unfair proposal.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:15pm
    OGR I haven't voted for years but before that I voted Labor.

    Why cant people work until they are 70? Too lazy would be my answer. Prefer to get fat watching the idiot box all day instead of working. No wonder they suffer ill health. Some of the healthiest people I know today are over 70.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:26pm
    Why can't they work until they are 70? Because their bodies have given up after decades of horrendous physical strain, accidents in unsafe workplaces, stress from workplace abuse and bullying... and often they didn't even start work in reasonable health due to abuse and deprivation. Yes, some PRIVILEGED folk are healthy at 80 or 90. Those who suffer disadvantage are less likely to have the opportunity to save much for retirement, but MOST likely to suffer the ill health that results from being abused and deprived and/or working in conditions that wreck them.

    I don't know ANYBODY who is unable to work to 70 who watches the idiot box. For that matter, I don't know ANYBODY who is unable to work to 70 who hasn't busted themselves in incredibly hard work PLUS worked hard at home on handyman projects, gardening, etc.

    You are disgustingly cruel and arrogant, OG. Really, a horrid individual!
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:49pm
    I know of many people who are not yet 70 and live their life in front of the idiot box eating junk food etc. They then wonder why they are so unhealthy and cant get around without their walking frames.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    6:25pm
    Like you live your life on the computer running Liberal Party propaganda????
    Oldpom63
    21st Jun 2018
    11:28am
    If you work in strenuous manual work like bricklaying, mining, building work in general you start to feel the effects of that work (arthritis in the joints, back pain etc) by your early fifties but you soldier on for the ten+ more years till you retire
    To work twenty more years in constant pain does not bear thinking about
    Get real (get your arses off the comfy leather seats you sit on) and try doing hard work on your feet all day lifting, carrying etc,
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:30am
    That is on the money. Try telling it to this rich man's government working for chair warmers who have not done a hard day's work in their whole life though.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    11:31am
    I still do all those manual jobs even at my age so I can't see why people can't do them at 70.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    11:33am
    Yeah right!
    Sundays
    21st Jun 2018
    12:42pm
    Oldpom, that goes for nursing, hospitality, retail as well. People wear out. Even in an office, few bosses want people over 65. So you’re forced out. Unless you can be self funded, Newstart is too low. If you have Super you use it up. If not, you might have to sell your home. By the time you get to 70 you are in poverty. Finally you get the OAP, but the stress of the last few years will take their toll. Definitely a class war
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:12pm
    I was chopping some wood for my fire the other day and a young family member showed up and watched me. When asked if he wanted a go to give me a break he said no he might hurt hi bad back. One can only imagine if he has a bad back in his early 20s what is he going to be like at my age.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:48pm
    Hopefully not posting propaganda for the government and being paid for it.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:51pm
    NO Mick he is smarter than that as he is already on welfare.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    6:26pm
    Unlike his father?
    cupoftea
    21st Jun 2018
    11:40am
    I suppose I could work till 70 if I sat on my arse all day like the pollies I would not know what a hard days yakka was
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:56am
    It's heavy lifting shuffling all those taxpayer billions around the chess board...
    Thinker
    21st Jun 2018
    11:42am
    It is not the retirement age to be increased to 70 it is the age pension age.
    It should be raised but we have to review othger welfare benefits such as new start
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:57am
    It MUST revert to 65....
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:08pm
    AND they need to look at all their QANGOS such as submarine corporations that merely duplicate public service work and provide income for their old mates and failed fellows...

    AND they need to look at the entire gamut of 'welfare', including PPL, childcare, the tax brackets, corporate welfare via cuts and deals on tax liable and concessions and outright gifts.... and leave Social Security bought and paid for alone.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    11:43am
    If this doesn't serve to push them out, nothing will.... but I despair of Labor these days ever doing anything much but kow-towing to the feminists, the ethnics, the Aboriginals and everyone else with a special gripe, often brought about by their own actions and behaviour.

    Look forward to 'at least' 50% self-interested women in our 'parliament', with their unceasing demands (often not ever discussed in public) for more 'controls' over men and more financial rewards for women for their long-suffering, and justification of it all with some nonsense about how they've been oppressed for so long.

    If we can weather that nonsense, then we'll have 3% mandatory for Aboriginals, Muslims and so forth - an utter nonsense in OUR form of democracy, since our representatives are supposed to be elected on merit and not on their race of religion or ethnicity.

    Bring On The Revolution!
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:35pm
    100% with you on all of that, Trebor.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:55pm
    Maybe we should just get Labor in, let them do THEIR worst, and then start to chop them back as well.

    What are our options?
    jonboy
    21st Jun 2018
    11:44am
    Most NORMAL workers are struggling to get to 60! Yes Politicians can do their job, NOTHING, until 90. But THEY retire at 50 generally on a Public Purse sucking BIG Pension.
    Mainly Pollies are trying to make the WOrkers pay for all their non productive ways and lives of excess.
    Even worse all the 60+ plus I know are demeaningly filling in useless Centrelink forms for jobs they couldnt even get when they WERE young!!
    Jen50
    21st Jun 2018
    11:48am
    I retired at 63 because I was burnt out and had regular bouts of stress related gastritis because of it. I was told by the staff in the emergency ward after one very severe bout (that required morphine for the pain) that I needed to work out a life balance and maybe give up work if at all possible or at least cut my hours. My GP said the same. They both reminded me that I was at an age where I couldn’t expect to carry on at the same pace I did when I was younger. I cut my hours bit by bit but it didn’t make any difference because there was even more pressure on the days that I worked because there was no-one else to take over my work. When they announced there would be redundancies in another department but people from my department could apply for a voluntary redundancy if they wished, I jumped at the chance. It meant there would be a gap of 6 months between my meagre payout runnng out and receiving the Aged Pension, but we had savings and it was worth it. I worked in an office but I really feel for people in physically demanding jobs who face emotional stress and/or injuries & physical stress on their bodies. Having your back or knees go on you or arthritis taking hold well before you turn 70 is very likely.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:02pm
    I tried for a gig in Afghanistan/Iraq after 9/11 - heart troubles... so I tried for a nursing degree to get in somehow... heart troubles...

    Oh, well...
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:50pm
    I threw in the towel in 50s because I was fed up with being used as fodder and worked to death with no appreciation for the job I was doing. Their loss my gain.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    3:33am
    A lot of Diggers I know did that - they could see the way the wind was tending for their future, so they cashed in early..
    Jolly
    21st Jun 2018
    11:49am
    I retired at 68. I was retrenched and had planned to retire close to that. I think it is about planning and being aware. Most people today have no idea where there super is going or how to access it. There is no education for this apart from a 15 second news item on 7/9/10. When young people start work they should be sent a letter from the ATO with information regarding this and provide seminars for people. It is the Governments responsibility to provide education regarding superannuation.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:11pm
    Retirement packaging should be removed totally from the grasping hands of politicians and their cronies, and set aside in a genuine ?Futures Fund for ALL Australians... with all included under the same rules, instead of this catch as catch can current handling of retirement packaging, and the ceaseless bitching and theft that it generates.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:51pm
    Agree TREBOR. The OAP should be reinstated as it was with only wealthy people removed, not self funded people who are just making ends meet.
    Franky
    21st Jun 2018
    11:54am
    Most civilized countries in Europe and Asia have retirement age between 55 and 60. Whilst we may live longer it is not a healthy life for most. I am for lowering the retirement age.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:13pm
    I'm not as the OAP age should be raised with the life expectancy. Why do we have to pay welfare for people to live on for 30 plus years. That is insane.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:38pm
    It's Social Security bought and paid for, OG - you've had that explained to you many times.

    Politicians receive welfare with their excessively preferential superannuation and perks for life.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:54pm
    The OAP is NOT welfare: it's a well-earned entitlement. Your Right-wing bias is what's insane.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:29pm
    No the OAP is welfare and the age that one gets it should have been raised in line with life expectancy and we would not be in the mess we are today. It is simply stupid that we pay people welfare after a certain age so they can live well by simply doing nothing at all.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    2:02pm
    Not worth answering again... get your facts right.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:32pm
    I guess I have hit the nail on the head once again then.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:55pm
    Great post Franky.
    You are correct. Many countries in Europe have not come after their citizens at retirement. Ours has.
    Ignore the normal government sponsored comment from OG. He knows full well that workers have been funding their OAP for a century. The fact that the current government has decided to steal retirement money and give it to the wealthy is an entirely different story which needs to be told and retold so that voters are not confused when it comes time to vote.
    Triss
    21st Jun 2018
    8:13pm
    There are quite a few politicians who have been paid pensions by the taxpayer for doing nothing, OG. After leaving politics in their 30’s there would be no way they could have accrued enough super to last the rest of their lives therefore, according to your thinking, they are living on welfare.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:20pm
    No, OG - just not going to argue your mindless repetition of the same unfounded drivel over and over.....

    Saying the same falsehood over and over will never make it true.

    21st Jun 2018
    11:57am
    This article is missing something, the eligible age to qualify for an age pension in Australia is 65 and 6 months, not 65. Yes, there is an oblique reference at the foot of the article but no reference to when the eligibility for an age pension was to be increased to 67. So, what we are discussing is not an increase of 5 years but an increase of 3 years.

    Having cleared that up, I am opposed to an increase to 70 across the board. There may be some workers who can stay the distance but there will be many more who will find a 38 hour week too taxing in their late 60's. I would hope that this ridiculous idea is similar to a log of claims when a pay rise is sought. A good log of claims will have requests that are not expected to be agreed to but are used as a bargaining chip to say: "Well, if we take this out, will you allow the rest to proceed?"

    In saying that, I think that I'm giving politicians too much credit for being smart enough to actually bargain their thought bubbles away. Over the years we have seen politicians try to live on the dole, go back to doing the job they originally held when they left school and trying to pretend that they know how people live in the real world. All of the attempts have failed dismally. I wonder if politicians were excluded from a pension until they turned 70 whether they would press this proposed legislation.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:04pm
    Cooo-rrrect...
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    12:10pm
    Increasing the pension age to 70 will NEVER go away under a coalition government. Think about 'Work Choices' and what happened in the Hosptitality Industry...and coming to all of us.
    Coalition governments NEVER drop a policy. They just sit and wait.
    Pension age 70 will arrive if voters allow it to arrive. You do have to be careful who you elect.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:15pm
    Labor rose the retirement age for the OAP to 67 so don't count on them not raising it to 70 as well.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:15pm
    There you go again MICK, smear after smear with no proof to back up your statements. What is the reference to the hospitality industry about? Surely you're not trying to complain about the penalty rates again and trying to lay the blame for the reductions on this government? If that is your complaint, then you should know that Shorten asked the Fair Work Commission, an independent body established by Labor, to investigate and that body, not the government made the decision to reduce penalty rates.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:26pm
    Mick was giving an example of the tactics employed by this kind of government - they fail at the initial slug (WorkChoices), then play Steady Creep (LurkChoices) to get it all in anyway. The comparison between WorkChoices and the current trashing of penalty rates is that it fits totally with the aim of Work Choices of lowering real incomes for the wage earner (via LurkChoices).....

    Any government as treacherous, sneaky and nasty as that deserves not only to be fired, but fired upon at the long wall...
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    12:27pm
    You are running the party line OM.
    What happened to the Hospitality Industry IS 'Work Choices' without the name. Perhaps you need to talk to those in the industry whose wages and conditions went down. It is the current government's doing as THEY pulled the trigger.
    The Fair Work Commission? Yeah...who writes the script for that bureaucratic body these days? Independent judges? Just like the 'Independent Remuneration Tribunals' which company CEOs use to increase their exorbitant pay all the time?
    The Fair Work Commission appears to be anything other than independent!

    I do not favour the pension age being pushed up to 70. Neither do almost all of the genuine readers on this website.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    12:42pm
    It's interesting MICK that anyone who disagrees with you is accused of "running the party line" when all I have done is what I do with anyone who wants to make statements without proof. I challenge them. Again, statements like "wages went down" are wrong. Wages have risen year on year for the past decade. If you mean that wages may not have kept up with inflation then that is another matter entirely and you should clarify.

    You claim that the FWA is not independent but you offer nothing to back up such an inflammatory statement. Can you enlighten us as to which of the 47 members are not carrying out their duties in an independent manner? You might note that I too disagree with raising the retirement age to 70 or did you not bother to read all of my post.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:49pm
    OK it's time for a dose of reality about the hospitality industry workers. Most don't get paid the right about just for their normal hours let alone having to worry about penalty rates. Most hospitality workers don't get their super at all either unless they fight for it. I am helping one person now who is still trying to get their super for a job they got sacked from 12 months ag just for asking where their super was going. They are being drip fed a few dollars every month as we applied to the ATO to have them help us out. So it seems that if a hospitality workers complains about anything to do with their pay they are sacked. So what do they do nothing as they need their jobs. Many of these hospitality workers are now relying on tips to make up for what the employer is not paying them.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:57pm
    You're dreaming, OG - the last two jobs I held were in hospitality and I never missed a cent in either pay or super.

    You need to properly report all the rorters and push for criminal sanctions against them... join the Left... the air is cleaner there in some areas...
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    1:37pm
    OG - you started your response with the word "truth". End of argument. The truth is not in you mate.
    The Hospitality Industry is operating as it does with the FULL SUPPORT of the current rich m an's government. How else do you bring about slavery other than thieving, marginalising and suppressing working citizens who are already way below the poverty line. Then this flows on to other industries. The game plan!
    Dragrush
    21st Jun 2018
    12:12pm
    What concerns me is that employers are not willing to take on older workers and so if this 70 year old retirement age is introduced the government will not have to pay any benefits to these older people who are unable to get a job. Just try and get a job when you are over 50 or 60 and do a survey to see how many people cannot find work. I worked for years for the Government and the CEO's who were appointed didn't want to have older workers and got rid of them in various ways. I think those in the position should get together and protest before it's too late. Apart from the fact that many manual workers will be unable to perform the same tasks at 70 that they did at 40, 50 and even 60.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:18pm
    I get offered more work than I can handle.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    12:27pm
    From the Party OG.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:27pm
    Then stop handling it.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    12:29pm
    The irony of being unemployed when you want to work is that you cannot get the pension on the other side of the coin. So what happens if you suffer age discrimination at 50 and have to wait 20 years to access a pension?
    Oh yes...retraining....to become a shelf stacker. A wonderful future for somebody who was an executive in their prime. This is nevertheless what lays install if the pension age goes up further still.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:34pm
    Mick I can earn as much as I like without losing anything. If you collect welfare then of course you lose your welfare if you earn too much. That is what welfare is all about my son.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:44pm
    We're not interested in your pipe dreams, OG - we're talking about the majority of people here.

    Never forget that this raising of Pension age is a move to force those who suffer age discrimination and lower income as a result (including being thrown on NewStart for ten or more years), at the time in their life when they should be rightfully accumulating towards their retirement, to live off their own accumulated assets first before getting a Pension.

    It's just another way of putting that filthy idea into practice.

    If you look at all the wonderful social changes wrought in the late 20th and early 21st Centuries, most will have endured divorce, the disaster of affirmative action for some at the expense of others, and other disempowering activities like supporting a family they no longer have, and will consequently have less and less to retire on even before they get kicked onto the scrap heap in their fifties.

    A disgusting approach to civlisation in my eyes, and one worthy of revolution.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:14pm
    OG - you need to stop reading out of the Liberal Party handbook.

    Thinking people will understand that pushing wealth in one direction whilst cutting working conditions, rates of pay and the right to even have a job is DESIGNED to achieve one outcome and one outcome only: SLAVERY. The rich are pining for the past and the current ratbag government is no more than what is in the mindset of the rich.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:33pm
    I don't read any political stuff at all I just make up my own mind on this sort of stuff like I do on everything else.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:56pm
    FAKE NEWS OG. Your comments are cash for comment and you are reading straight out of the Party handbook.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:42pm
    Ok just read on the abc site that the government got it's tax cuts through the Senate. Should give it enough of a boost to win the next election as pay packets become a bit heavier.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    4:00pm
    The wealthy are less than 5% of the population and a bit of pork barrelling by your employer doth not a genuine tax break make.
    You know as well as I that the bulk of tax cuts are heading straight to the top end of town. And then add on company tax cuts on top of that.
    People who vote for this lot deserve the fate which will befall them and their children and grandchildren. Be careful what you vote for.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:12pm
    Mick the tax cuts will hit the low income earners first and that is where the government will ick up enough votes to win the next election.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:31pm
    Yep, the low income earners - the people Morrison claims are low income earners, who are earning $180,000 a year!
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:41pm
    OGR with such a statement you obviously have no idea about the tax cuts at all.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    6:28pm
    You are totally full of it OG. We both know that the so called tax cuts for the poor are just a smokescreen for the really big tax cuts for the top.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    7:02pm
    It is about time we had one tax rate for the majority of people no matter how much they earned. People will no longer need penalty rates to pay the extra tax on the extra money they earn. Awesome move by the government to fix this problem.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    7:50pm
    These are the rantings of a moron OG.
    Hospitality workers have mostly poorly paid part time jobs. That is the problem. Not the tax rates.
    Your post is the normal 'make the government look good' post. Full of bullshit and short of honesty. As I have said a number of times I cannot understand how you can look at yourself in the mirror of a night and not feel like puking. Sorry for the stark realism but it is what it is. The truth is not within you.
    Triss
    21st Jun 2018
    8:19pm
    Corrupt pollies can earn as much as they like without losing any pension so it’s nothing to crow about, OG.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:22pm
    .. along with less opportunity to generate incomes .....

    You pay your way or get out... end of story. You get the breaks and the good life - you pay your dues.
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    12:15pm
    Well I must be the odd one out as I am still working part time and I am 71. The pension is my only income as I did not have much super from my working years. Only started paying into super in 2003 when I had to start work again due to a divorce. Prior to that I reared two children and helped on the family farm, hence no super. The divorce settlement was very little as the greedy lawyers raped us. I have to think very carefully about who I vote for in the next election, this should also apply to everyone who votes. Voting should not be compulsory as the majority could not give a shit about how our country is governed and they ask why do we have to vote? You ask how do I know this well I did a bit of a survey myself whilst standing in the queue waiting to vote at the last election. I noted nearly everyone was a muslim and I listened to them talking in amongst themselves. They laughed at our reason for wanting to vote. As long as they are getting handouts they will vote for the government in office at the time, and our government knows this. People we need to somehow elect a strong progressive leader and not the piss weak pollies governing our country at present. I say it again infra structure has broken down, open your eyes to the facts, get out and about take a look at what is happening in the community. But I do say, don't just look in the well to do areas as they are oblivious to reality.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:20pm
    What is wrong with our leader now? Sure is a lot better than the alternative on offer.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:28pm
    It's not about which idiot is the better or worse leader, OG - it's about party policy, and The Great Leader is nothing more than an overpaid mouth-piece and front man...
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:30pm
    Well Trebor the alternative is nothing more than a leader of union thuggery. I prefer a little bit of decency rather than thuggery myself.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:46pm
    It's not about the leader, and you have yet to explain precisely what you mean by 'union thuggery' and why you do not include 'management thuggery' in the same hyperbolic vitriol.

    But then - you never answer the hard questions thrown at you....
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    1:02pm
    "What is wrong with our leader now? Sure is a lot better than the alternative on offer."

    Yeah, Tony Abbott the Mad Monk. I agree OG.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    2:03pm
    Great at the Canberra Comedian Festival...
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:16pm
    OG - "a leader of union thuggery"? Where do you even get this BS from?
    Compared to the top end of town plundering the country and pushing ordinary citizens into poverty not all the bad eggs from all the unions on the planet even compare to the silent theft and internment in our country.
    Please tell your employer to go jump.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:35pm
    Mick I run my own business and I am not answerable to anyone except myself.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:57pm
    I do not believe you OG. You are peddling the propaganda of the day from the current government. That is no mistake and the fact you keep doing it tells me you are an employee.
    Rae
    21st Jun 2018
    3:02pm
    The new chums think we are hilarious giving them something for nothing while refusing to give anything to hard working Australians who worked and paid the high taxes for decades.

    They are right to laugh as we are dumb bunnies.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:58pm
    Maybe we should get on one of those boats and come here instead of just coping it all.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    4:04pm
    Yes Rae....but the heart throbbing activists have to get their way.
    It is bad enough that every other day you see on the news that ANOTHER Islamic person has committed a crime without handing out money like confetti so that these people can sleep well at night in the knowledge they have done a good deed.
    Indeed the recipients who have arrived in the land of milk and honey would be smiling ear to ear. And you wonder why they screamed so loudly when or tried to get them to go to New Zealand instead.

    The reality is we are a country of many people who are ignorant and waiting to be exploited, both by the top end as well as vested interests. Come on in spinner!
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:29pm
    Wait until Defence creates 50% women including in combat ratings... all of Asia will be laughing at us and rubbing their hands together and all will be rosy in Equalistan until the Next Big One and the casualty lists start rolling in.

    No wonder people think we're all idiots - we sell off our resources to offshore vultures for a song, pay top price to get a small part of them back, pay people for doing nothing and with no hope of ever working (in some cases) because they arrive here, allow our politicians to rob us at every turn, have zero control over business and rorting and outright theft, prop up our deviant communities, promote women into all the deluxe spots as a 'right', and force our military to endure lower (sic) morale due to affirmative action, and don't even bother to tax corporate thieves as they leave with the door wide open.

    I can just imagine the morale of the Troops as women are foisted upon them in all positions by affirmative action, without meeting all the criteria, and copping promotions while those of genuine merit lag behind - just like the public service shot itself in the foot.

    It's good to know our political masters don't really consider there is any chance of a real war any time soon.....

    21st Jun 2018
    12:20pm
    Trust the Libtards to try to kill people off through work before paying them the OAP.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:24pm
    People are killing themselves off by not looking after themselves with poor diets and not enough exercise.
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    12:25pm
    Agree. Julie Bishop has an open cheque book. Too many people in the world today, so what is happening? The current government is no better than the other side, they just want to bring more people here. Well we are over run, infrastructure has broken down.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    12:31pm
    Correct Knows-a-lot.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:32pm
    **rolls eyes** The peasants don't need infrastructure, Jannie - they only need to do what they're told and accept what they're give or lump it....... and stay in their own little patch unless directed out of it by their Overlords in Cambra and Macca Street...

    Time to boot the bloody lot out and start from scratch.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:47pm
    Just joking there, Jannie... and making a point....
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    1:06pm
    @Jannie "they just want to bring more people here."

    Agreed. If I were in charge, I'd stop all immigration and begin deporting the mob you mentioned earlier.

    @OG. The poor hit the bottle (or worse) in despair at the hell they live in caused by being gouged and underpaid by the rich.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:21pm
    OG has no empathy at all. Everyone I know who is suffering significant ill health suffered major abuse and deprivation in childhood. Then they are forced into crap jobs where they are paid peanuts to bust themselves in unhealthy and dangerous conditions. Wouldn't matter how good their diet was or how much they exercised, they haven't a hope of ever achieving good health. But the selfish LNP trolls will continue to trot out their abusive lies and play the blame game.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:11pm
    Agree OGR no empathy at all for those who fail to help themselves and whinge about it instead.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:02pm
    But plenty of empathy for those who pay coalition parties to do their business and give them tax cuts. More smoked salmon anyone.....
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:30pm
    Politicians and business people, OG?
    GrayComputing
    21st Jun 2018
    12:45pm
    It is time for all of us to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

    Does your MP really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

    This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

    Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?

    Some opposition and independent MPs stand to lose their chance at being part of the needed government changes

    We all need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

    Also contact opposition and independent MPs who can help us to get a fair deal on pensions

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    Cowboy Jim
    21st Jun 2018
    3:45pm
    Thanks for keeping the reminders going GrayComputing. People should never forget.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:04pm
    Unfortunately most do forget Jim. Remember a lying bastard by the name of Abbott? Should NEVER be forgotten. Most of the electorate has moved on instead of maintaining the rage. So the same bastards do the same thing again....
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    3:37am
    The trouble with that guy was he didn't even know he was lying - that just about says it all for the political class. His mate Hockey was just as bad.... and both still suck deeply of the public purse every day while the peasants starve.
    GeorgeM
    24th Jun 2018
    10:54pm
    BEST SET OF COMMENTS ABOVE! Keep it up, guys!
    Ray
    21st Jun 2018
    12:45pm
    Hi all my first post but have been reading comments for a couple of years now. It seems many people including myself no longer trust the two major parties or the greens and would like to have an alternate party to vote for. Many people on this site have commented there should be a party that looks after the needs of us older folk. I read in the local paper the other day that a new party has been set up and is called Pensioners, Veterans and Seniors Party https://pvsparty.org. This appears to be a new set up with only a few hundred members at the moment. I know I would like an alternative party to vote for so was wondering if some of you regulars could check it out and advise the your life choices membership if it is worth looking into
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:48pm
    Might take a look..... thanks Ray.

    As the man said in the original Mad Max - they're looking for a hero, Max!
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    1:09pm
    I'd be interested to know which major party they will direct their preferences to. If it's the LNP then count me out.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:19pm
    Agree Ray but what do you do? Vote LNP and get done over even worse than the past 6 years?
    Whilst I support neither of the 2 majors Labor is by far the better bet because it is not aligned with the wealthy and their (multinational) business engaged in the game of class warfare. It's a no brainer.
    Rae
    21st Jun 2018
    3:06pm
    Thank you Ray. I'll check it out. I'd love a party with my concerns at heart to vote for.
    Triss
    21st Jun 2018
    9:15pm
    What are their policies?
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:05am
    On that link:-


    "Your connection is not secure

    The owner of pvsparty.org. has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website."


    It seems this party needs to get its act together since it is currently listed as a malicious site.......
    Triss
    22nd Jun 2018
    7:08am
    Could be a party cobbled together by one of the major parties to get back votes that they’ve lost through starving pensioners into the grave.
    Glen48
    21st Jun 2018
    12:46pm
    Most people will have health Probs by 70 starting at 50 on
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    12:49pm
    Even old Fat Cat OG has his bouts with cancer...... but he mightily soldiers on in riches.... and is offered piles of work....
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    12:51pm
    Yes I have had cancer twice and even after that I am a lot healthier than many people even half my age.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    2:09pm
    Ri-i-i-i-ght... I think it's more to do with gumption than health, OG.

    We are from a different generation and creed.
    ptrC
    21st Jun 2018
    1:01pm
    Australia's STOLEN Aged Pension, this will open your eyes to our politician's lies, “The Aged Pension.” Well, it certainly was collected, but it amassed such huge amounts, this government and those preceding, couldn’t help themselves and have spent billions of it over the years in a manner they had no right to. “the money earned by the people themselves through hard work and often deprivation ( as a legislation obligation part thereof was collected by the Tax Department for this very purpose ) was in fact and still is, collected as a tax originally, specifically and intentionally so as to fund, “The Aged Pension.”
    To dispel some misinformation currently being promoted by Party Politicians and their spin doctors and lying ex Ministers, listed here are some historical facts every Australian, especially the young who are under the miss-guided belief and/or assumption that they are funding the Aged Pension from their current hard work; They Are Not, they’re funding their own Pension Fund; a fund that governments have no intention of paying and to add insult to injury, legislate to force you to pay into a Super Fund to boot.
    1939-1945 – WORLD WAR II
    1942-1943
    As a Wartime measure, the Federal Government gained sole control over Australian Income Tax. Labor Prime Minister ( Ben Chifley ) introduced three bills to establish the National Welfare Fund, to be financed by a Compulsory Contribution (levy) of one and sixpence in the Pound (20/- ) on all personal income.
    1946
    Opposition Leader ( Robert Menzies ) stated that the Compulsory Contribution (levy) should be kept completely separate. That it should be shown separately on the Taxation Assessment and paid straight into a “TRUST” account and not mixed with the General Revenue.
    Menzies said “The stigma of charity should be removed from the Age Pension.” ”It should be an entitlement earned by the person’s personal contribution to the fund.”
    Prime Minister Chifley agreed and established The National Welfare fund as at 1/1/1946. A “Trust” Fund with the Parliament as “Trustee.”
    The Compulsory Contributions (levy) commenced as at 1st January 1946.
    It was shown separately on the personal Tax Assessments for 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 and 1950
    and the compulsory levy was properly paid straight into the Special “Trust” fund
    and Welfare claims were paid out of the fund.
    The balance in the fund in 1950 was almost 100 Million Pounds.
    1949 Robert Menzies became Prime Minister and he introduced Bills to amend the acts governing the National Welfare Funds.
    The Compulsory Contributions (levy) was then grouped with the Taxation Assessment and appeared as one amount on the Taxation Assessments and was paid as one straight into the Consolidated Revenue Account.
    1951-1985
    The Compulsory levy of 7.5% now included in the tax continued to be collected and placed in the Consolidated Revenue Account treated as General Revenue and spent, until 1985.
    1974-1975
    Labor Prime Minister ( Gough Whitlam ) abolished income test for all persons 70 years of age and over and paid pensions to all people over that age.
    1975
    Liberal Prime Minister ( Malcolm Fraser ) cancelled the Withlam achievement of abolishing the test for all 70 years of age and over.
    1977
    Liberal Prime Minister ( Malcolm Fraser ) with Treasurer Philip Lynch ) transferred the balance in the Welfare Fund Account ( approximately $ 470.000.000 ) to Consolidated Revenue Account.
    1985
    Australian Labor Government repealed acts No. 39, 40, and 41 of 1945 ( The National Welfare Fund Acts ). Thus the funds finally ceased to exist yet the 7.5% levy continued to be collected as a proportion of the Income Tax revenue. It also introduced the (much maligned) Income and Asset Tests, thereby excluding millions of levy and tax paying Australians from receiving Social Services Pensions.
    This money these self funded contributions paid as a percentage of the total income tax collections are today worth far more than the amount of means tested pensions paid out.
    Actuaries have calculated the non-means tested entitlement due to each retiree, today is in excess of $ 500 per week.
    This surely debunks the politicians claim that the generation are paying a proportion of their current taxes to cover the payments made to pensioners. The obvious short fall has been swallowed by the government’s Taxation Black Hole.
    The historical summary above highlights the fact that politicians of opposing political parties each contributed to the agenda to destroy the entitlement as it was intended why ?
    When it clearly would not have been the will of the people.
    While Party Politicians are controlled by a few people who are hidden from public view yet are open to Manipulation and Outright Corruption , there can be no certainty of the payment of pensions.
    Only a majority of truly Independent representatives can bring about a change from Government under corporate control, to Government for the People, of the People, by the People.
    Just because a cabal of political miscreants become so GREEDY and they change the way a tax looks in the Ledgers,
    IN NO WAY REMOVES THE FACT THAT THIS TAX IS TILL COLLECTED AND IS SO COLLECTED STILL TO THIS DAY TO PROVIDE FOR THE SUPPLY AND CONTINUATION OF THE OLD AGE PENSION.
    A STIPEND TO THE ELDERLY CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE WORKED FOR DECADES OF THEIR LIVES TO BUILD A NATION AND HAVE FROM WORKING DAY ONE OF THEIR LIVES, BEEN PAYING 7% PLUS OF THEIR TAXES DIRECTLY TOWARDS THIS PENSION.
    The old age pension is not a privilege;
    Is not a right;
    Is not a gift;
    Is not even welfare;
    The Old Age Pension is an asset;
    Owned and accrued by each Australian Citizen who has funded this asset from their very own purse.
    The governments of the day were employed to amass, secure, invest and manage a fund that in its first 5 years bulged to almost 100.000.000 Pounds ( am amount in that day that equated in that day in this day’s dollars and cents, to approximately AU $240 million give or take a million or two ).
    They did amass, secure, invest and manage and the figures were colossal and frightening to them and hence they conspired to hide them back into the Consolidated Revenue Bucket and to this day, the bucket has been brimming with a 7.5% tax collected specifically and only, for the Old Age Pension.
    Now young Australians ! You are not paying for the welfare of Baby boomers, you are paying for yourselves, new immigrants, the needy in society requiring social services and welfare, dole recipients and the bludgers, – BUT YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE OLD PENSION OF ELDERLY AUSTRALIANS WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES IN THIS COUNTRY AND PAID THEIR DUE FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. Nick Minchin on the Tony Jones ABC TV Program Q & A 11/09/2008 stated quite clearly that funds were not, have not and are not collected and held in a bank account waiting for the government to pay it out in the form of the Old Age Pension, or words that meant, “exactly this.”
    As an ex Australian Federal Government Finance Minister, this man knows that this statement on that television program, was a blatant lie ( and he said it with a look of sincerity on his face, the ability of doing so obviously a political prerequisite ).

    The ALP & LNP They found the Loophole in the Original Legislation that allowed them to Legally Access that Pension Retirement Trust Fund!
    Labor & Liberal had to both agree for it to be legal!!!!
    Guess what the Carrot was for Labor?
    LNP promised to Build a Brand New Parliament House in Canberra FOR All Politicians!
    So Labor took the Bribe and agreed!
    Legal Theft by BOTH PARTIES!
    Conditions agreed upon....
    No MP from either party is to ever admit or discuss that deal before death!
    No MP will answer any questions on the Subject...they walk away or change the subject!
    Sworn to Secrecy!
    GREATEST LEGAL THEFT OF BILLIONS BY ANY GOVERNMENT EVER!
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:01pm
    Fake News. Rubbish!
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    1:08pm
    WOW ptrC what an eye opener. We have been ripped off all of our lives by greedy governments. Time for this to be reported to the people of our country. A revolution is coming.
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    1:11pm
    Why has remove been put below my comment? Are we about to be silenced???
    Jannie
    21st Jun 2018
    1:13pm
    REMOVE NOTED BELOW MY COMMENTS PLEASE EXPLAIN???
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    1:16pm
    "Fake News. Rubbish! "

    Prove it or shut up.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:26pm
    Nope I have to prove nothing to nobody. To me it is fake news and complete rubbish that is regularly copied from it's original propaganda source.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:25pm
    Thanks for the FACTS ptrC.

    "Prove nothing" is how you operate OG. Never any facts. Only ever BS and propaganda from the party!
    .
    "Fake news? Prove it or shut up.

    I call on YLC to ban (intentionally) troll comments on the website. You are a contemptuous human being OG. Pretty sad.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:30pm
    I'll just have to set up another account Mick then if you have OG banned.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:59pm
    You have an IP address. If YLC banned you you'd have to keep getting new I{ addresses.
    Work around that one! Not even your employer can clear that hurdle.
    Rae
    21st Jun 2018
    3:12pm
    Good precedent to snaffle up the Future Fund hey. Wouldn't that upset the apple cart.

    Replace the Welfare Fund with the Future Fund and we can all share the pie.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:40pm
    Mick I use a VNP so they can't set my IP address.
    Cowboy Jim
    21st Jun 2018
    3:51pm
    Thank you for reminding people of the GREAT THEFT of the last century. People should never forget all the folks who contributed to the wellbeing of the country and now have to be happy to be called social recipients instead of bona fide pensioners. Well done!
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    4:07pm
    Well written Jim.

    OG - why do you need a VPN unless you have something to hide.....like maybe where you are communicating from. I would still think you are in a coalition call centre doing your job. How the heck can you sleep at night when you have sold off your own soul. Defies logic.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:10pm
    NO Mick I need a VPN to stop people trying to scam me. I hope you have one too.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:18pm
    Interesting fact is that those people under this defunct scheme didn't get their pension until the age of 70 and then it was not indexed. If you think this was a better system than we have today then you are dreaming. It was changed because it was simply not good enough for people to actually live out their retirement on.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:07pm
    I do not use a VPN and YOU are smart enough to not be scammed. My suggestion is you use a VPN to HIDE. Given your posts I maintain you are working for this government and probably from an office dedicated for this purpose.
    Putin has the same arrangement so why not this undemocratic government.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:33pm
    How can people scam you unless you let them? I get attempts at scam all the time and none has worked yet...
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:07am
    I don't recall anyone asking you to prove anything really, Ebergeezer.. most just laugh and carry one .. and frankly nobody cares except that you flood these discussions with your usual silly utterances and unfounded assertions.

    One could be forgiven for assuming you are a troll..... but I'd hate to make an ass of you AND me at the same time....
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    1:05pm
    Aside:- when I look at this current 'policy thrust' to reduce the incomes and retirement opportunities of older Australians - I am struck by the startling similarity of the position of The Father in 'D.H. Lawrence's "Sons and Lovers" - as a young man in the mines he worked mightily and supported his family in style and brought home the pounds (to his 'higher' class wife - daughter of an engineer, not a miner) lavishly - as he aged, he was forced to rely still on only the strength of his back and arms, and thus increasingly fell lower and lower in his ability to recoup the pounds.

    At that point his wife and family virtually turned away from him and he was left alone, while mother was lauded to high heaven by the sons (and Lovers), an approach now highly sought after in modern (BBC etc) renditions of this semi-classic.... where the woman (mother) is the fount of all good and the father just a useful adjunct....... and less useful and more side-lined as he grew older and less able...

    There's a serious parable here for the cogniscenti..... not least of all the way men are being handled these days..... and D.H. Lawrence wrote that book in 1913 - over a hundred years ago and after nearly a century of upward social and economic improvement for the many...

    So now we are going backwards......

    Amazing... simply amazing.... (quoted from an Australian Major on the Kokoda Trail - a comment rapidly taken up by the troops as their 'catch cry' on everything)... mazing... simply amazing....
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    1:26pm
    Sorry about "Round the World In Eighty Ways" by Trebor... it's me nature as the scorpion said to the frog...
    floss
    21st Jun 2018
    1:18pm
    Mick you have really stirred up the Greed is Good gang .The truth seems to send them into a frenzy.But I guess they are defending their privileged way of life.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    1:30pm
    This has nothing to with greed by a lot to do with laziness instead. People today just don't want to work at all.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    2:10pm
    When they reach 65 they are entitled to not work.... end of story.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:28pm
    Been battling with these trolls for some time. Pretty clear OG and a number of others are on the coalition payroll.
    Of course the arguments and facts are valid. All that OG could come back with above was "fake news" because he could not stomach the truth nor dispute it.
    Glad you aware of the facts. Keep them coming floss.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    2:28pm
    Why? So they can get old way before they should.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:34pm
    Choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about. People have the right to do as they choose with their earned retirement which may include Pension rights.
    KB
    21st Jun 2018
    2:05pm
    Why are politicians exempt from this policy? People should be able to retire when they feel need to otherwise some people are 50 who cannot find work will be forced into early retirement through no fault of their own. Rosret has made some valid points
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    2:30pm
    Politicians make their own rules. I find it infuriating that they can be talking down wages at the same time as they are pushing up their own. Of course the state of nation matters not. It is a club and one large feeding trough the animals thrust their disgusting snouts into. Quite sickening.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    3:39pm
    It's awesome that the government got it's tax cuts through the senate. Should give it a big boost in the polls just in time for the next election.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:05pm
    Agree OG
    Turnbull is making Australia great again
    Sharemarket has shown its confidence massive jumps in the last 2 days
    My retail superfund made me 3 % in just 2 days !!!
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:09pm
    I agree.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    4:12pm
    Time for the next troll to clock on. Can't even be original and needs to plagiarise Trump with the ultimate BS.
    Make Australia great again? By destituting workers? Remember that your employer has flogged off everything so little export income coming our way and a huge import bill which we cannot service now. When everything is flogged off it'll be like our wonderful LNG which is locked for Australians. The same deal will play out with our farming land.
    Make Australia great again? That is not Turnbull's agenda. He only has his eyes on MORE MONEY FOR THE WEALTHY. HIMSELF! The country will end up like Argentina did: poverty stricken. Then the cry will ring out about Labor did it and average citizens are to blame. Never changes.
    Captain
    25th Jun 2018
    2:04pm
    Raphael, the rise in the sharemarket in the last 2 days is not relevant to the Liberals "making Australia great again". The All Ords on the 1st of January 2018 was 6176, now 6 months later (today) it is 6311. An increase of 2.3 %.

    The All Ords at its highest in 2007 was 6779, now 6311, still 462 points below it's best. Why have the Libs (and Labor) not "made Australia great again" years ago?

    Because they are too busy looking after themselves rather than "making Australia great again"
    Priscilla
    21st Jun 2018
    3:49pm
    I worked fulltime until the age of 77. I was fortunate to work in an office environment and my health was good. I would still be working if my employer had let me change to part-time or casual hours. Being female it helped my superannuation to grow as I was not drawing on it and was still contributing to it. If you want to and can do it, believe me it is worthwhile. I know of many who retired (some 3 times) and went back to work of some kind.
    Cowboy Jim
    21st Jun 2018
    3:56pm
    You probably liked your work Priscilla - if I liked mine that much I would have stayed longer as well. I only ever worked to live not the other way round. Lucky You.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:01pm
    I can't remember ever working to live myself as I set up an alternative income stream instead of relying on a job (just over broke).
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:28pm
    And like too many other privileged pigs, you think because you had it good, everyone did - and if they didn't it's their fault. Learn some compassion and human decency OG. You are WRONG and you are a very horrid individual to persist in your nasty and cruel remarks.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:39pm
    No OGR I am right as anyone can do what I did but most were too lazy or lacked the discipline to do it.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    8:20pm
    Dream on, you ranting idiot! You have no idea what life is like for others. Anyone CAN'T do what you did, and it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with laziness or lack of discipline. Clearly, you are way too privileged to have an inkling what life is like for others. And way too arrogant and selfish to care.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:36pm
    If everyone could do it, OG, there's be no market for it since it would be flooded beyond repair. there are limited slots for all 'callings' - even serial house hoarders have a limit and now 'new entries' are dangerously over-stretched on credit.

    Like any such scheme, unless you got in early, it starts to not work.

    Do try to keep up with reality.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    8:44pm
    Seems to me that there is no limit to getting on welfare so there must be still a market for that.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:13am
    It's not welfare.

    BTW - I recently applied and went very close to getting a job - just turned 69 this week - but the position required that I spend all night in a retirement village tending to emergencies etc.... as I am a carer, the interviewer felt, rightly, that this would take too much time away from my 'core' duties at home.

    How funny is it that a bloke of 69 is good enough to take care of 'old people' in a retirement village? Medical Corps training perhaps? And security, defending Australia from the scum of the Universe.... apparently unsuccessfully given that elected governments and their stooges allow them in anyway...... even when they are in breach of seven interstellar treaties etc....
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:14am
    ... and I've been on disability since 1997 ... read the papers....
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:58am
    ...and was on the streets at age 51 ..... not for the weak and unprincipled..... and I came back from that edge of darkness and despair by sheer hard work and guts....

    Do NOT try this at home.

    Nobody gave me a free ride.... ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtvqT_wMeY&list=RDNdYWuo9OFAw&index=7
    Kathleen
    26th Jun 2018
    9:50pm
    Priscilla, that was wonderful for you. Most people would like to keep working especially if they like their job but, unfortunately, the decision is sometimes not theirs. Glad for you though!

    21st Jun 2018
    4:03pm
    Most people are currently retiring before 65 which means they are living on their investments and don’t need the OAP
    Nothing will change for them if OAP age is raised to 70 under labor
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    4:08pm
    Exactly.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:12pm
    Crap, Raphael. Countless thousands are living on Newstart or disability pensions until they can qualify for the OAP. A lot will change because those on Newstart will suffer a decade or more of extreme poverty and psychological torment as punishment for busting their gut for lousy pay in work that wrecked their health. But the stinking wealthy will endorse such persecution of the disadvantaged because all the stinking wealthy care about is their own bank account and finding more ways to avoid tax.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    4:15pm
    Crap. As always.
    Most people are either working or are unemployed because our jobs have been sold off or industries closed down. A few of the lucky ones have managed to retire early. My wife and I are amongst those lucky few and thank the Lord we were one of the chosen few.
    Unlike you guys we are not sucking off the public purse through parliamentary pensions or part time work trolling propaganda.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:46pm
    The LNP has made every Australian richer both immediately and for the long term
    Immediately because their super has made a killing because the market isbapplauding the move . Long term because Aussies will have more disposable income to spend or invest , higher wages due to economic growth and more jobs and more incentive to aspire to higher paybig jobs
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:23pm
    I agree Raphael we are all much better off than we were 10 or 20 years ago due to our economic growth.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    6:32pm
    But it saddens me to see people like Mick and Old Rainey only peddling negativity
    Such a shame when we have posters who are unable to enjoy their prosperity that all Australians enjoy and instead incite hatred through non existent issues purely to serve their political masters .
    YLC should ban these labor party trolls .
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:42pm
    Raphael both Mick and OGR must be real sad sacks to live with as they never have anything positive to say about anything. I suppose it is the old saying enough is never enough for people like these.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:10pm
    Richer? Really troll Raphael?
    Ask those who cannot pay their fast rising bills. No pay increases for them as the top end gets huge increases every year. Alan Joyce went from a salary of around $3 million to over $20 million.
    Tell me about how Australians are getting on. They aren't. Your posts are from party HQ and straight from the manual. Propaganda from soulless people.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    8:19pm
    The rich are richer. The poor are poorer. That's statistical fact. Inequality is a major global problem, and getting worse due to the greed and selfishness of the well off.

    No, I'm not a ''sad sack'' OG. I have plenty to say that's positive, but I support demands for better government. Unlike you, I understand reality and sympathize with those getting a poor deal. And I speak out for what is RIGHT. I refuse to defend greed and selfishness, no matter what my personal situation.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    8:37pm
    Poor are poorer ?
    Jesus H Christ - you’re either a liar or delusional
    Every Australian is better off than they were 50 or a hundred years ago due to economic progesss brought about by capitalism
    Hell even the Russians and Chinese have embraced the rightist fact of life
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:39pm
    Lies. 80% retire with pension rights...

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/a-super-fail-80pc-retire-on-pension-benefits/news-story/f53147276286f68ed06e6fa0a3dd0ee2

    Are you now going to say that those who require at least some pension at retirement are retiring early and can afford to live on their 'investments' for years before becoming eligible?

    Frankly some of you are either total dreamers or just plain silly.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:41pm
    And it's not Labor raising the Pension age to 70 - they seem to be listening to the wind building into a hurricane over this insanity - it's the LNP.

    Do try to keep up.. sometimes, Rafe, you make sensible comments - other times you are just way off beam.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:56pm
    Raphael - your BS omits discussion of the western world being better off. That is the rewards which come with technology. Your government had nothing to do with that.
    The issue is not about 100 years ago and now. The issue remains the top end wanting everything and the bottom end getting higher taxes. THAT IS THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO HAVE and all you politic drivel is no more that you protecting the most wicked rich man's government we have ever had.
    Vote Labor. That way we are shed of the cancer. Then we can all plan the next move.
    Triss
    22nd Jun 2018
    7:43am
    Not really true, Raphael and OG, house prices have doubled in the last twenty years but wage rises have been nowhere near that.
    Arisaid
    21st Jun 2018
    4:26pm
    Just who is going to employ those over 60???
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    4:30pm
    Good question. Not enough jobs now... but IDIOTS want to take opportunity from the young and give the jobs to folk who are struggling about in wheelie-walkers and battling dementia.

    Really, it's all about STEALING more from the people to give more to the rich. No money for pensions, but we can ALWAYS afford obscene tax cuts for the wealthy.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:20pm
    OGR you are obsessed with the rich earning money. Either get over it or do what it takes to join them.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:11pm
    Nuts of a comment OG. The rich ARE STEALING from the rest of the nation. It is official.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    8:16pm
    Rich EARNING money! Not bloody likely. They STEAL it, OG. They never earned anything. The poor earn it for them while they gloat and crow and beat their chests and think they are wonderful, and treat ordinary Australians worse than they treat animals.
    Arisaid
    21st Jun 2018
    8:49pm
    So I will repeat - who is going to employ those people over 60??
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:57pm
    NOBODY Arisaid.
    Arisaid
    21st Jun 2018
    10:45pm
    But I heard our prime minister say that we were all capable of getting a job and working till we are 70!
    Charlie
    21st Jun 2018
    4:33pm
    Of course 70 is too old to wait for the pension and the reasons for the whole idea were flawed, unless the idea was for the government to save money.

    Also lets not get the word retirement mixed up with (pension age), people can retire before 65 if they have chronic illness, or if they think they have enough money.

    After pension age there is a certain amount they can earn part time on top of the pension. So they are retired from full time employment
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    6:43pm
    No 70 is not too old to wait for the pension as people now live 20 or more years longer these days and would be a lot more productive working instead of vegging out on welfare.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    8:13pm
    Take away YOUR parliamentary pension OG. Then you won't be crowing about having to wait until 70 for the pension.
    When were you thrown out of office? 55? So how long did you have to wait for your pension? One day?
    Do tell.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    8:14pm
    The privileged, you mean, OG? The workers who keep this country can't keep going to 70 and shouldn't have to. They've done their bit. The promise of an enjoyable retirement while you are still healthy enough to enjoy freedom is the best incentive there is to productivity. And the working class more than earn that respite, working for far less than they are worth so their bosses can profit.

    If you want to destroy incentive and create a miserable class of slaves, then sure... be a selfish prick and support forcing people to work until they drop.
    Triss
    22nd Jun 2018
    7:50am
    The government needs the OAP pension for itself in order to have the necessary money to continue to pay the politicians’ pensions.
    GeorgeM
    24th Jun 2018
    10:53pm
    Definitely increase politician's pension age to 70, even OG agrees it's not too old - especially for these leeches who do very little honest work!
    Too old for others who either can't find suitable work or find the demands too much as they age - disgusting Govt needs to be removed forthwith!

    21st Jun 2018
    8:31pm
    I've got an idea to save the government money. How about we make the retirement age 70 for everyone who had a cushy, well-paid job and make them take jobs laying bricks, cleaning public toilets, digging ditches, pouring concrete, etc. to earn a living while their super is taken to fund retirement for those who did those jobs for decades and wrecked their health. That way, the government doesn't have to fund pensions but the real workers can have the retirement they deserve and the self-serving mongrels who use and abuse can find out what life is REALLY like for REAL people. Should be a great learning experience for them! Might even instil some humanity.
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2018
    8:41pm
    OGR I still do all those jobs myself and get no OAP and pay tax for those who are too lazy to do those things so that one already happens.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:45pm
    Pol Pot's regime came up with that idea - you are beginning to see why right here and now. The only failure of the regime there was in the implementation, but the idea was exactly the same - teach those with the easy life and easy control over others and their lives and livelihoods what a real day's work means.

    Pity they stuffed it - but then Asians are purported to be soooo intelligent... most of your Chinese can't even drive ....

    Genius is 95% perspiration and 5% inspiration - Asians are no more nor less intelligent than anyone else, but they study harder as a matter of being pushed by their often impoverished peasant parents - who know that the way to riches and success HERE lies with getting a qualification.... something most of them could never even dream of 'back there'.
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2018
    8:47pm
    One sparrow fart doth not a spring make, OG - nobody cares if you choose to cut your own wood, and if you are still paying tax in retirement, you've got enough to get along and just leave everyone else alone, especially those about whom you know absolutely nothing.
    Arisaid
    21st Jun 2018
    8:57pm
    Old Geezer - lucky for you that you can do those jobs. I would say to you that the majority can't. My health took a downward spiral at 57 and it was curtains for me to be in a paid working position from then on. My other half managed to keep going till he was 66, supporting me in the meantime till I reached pension age. His health then deteriorated so working life was cactus for him too. Reading through most of the comments it is obvious that you are VERY SPECIAL as you can do everything and anything. Wow are you on the happy pills or what. I'll now get back to doing my knitting of beanies for the homeless, who not only can't get jobs but don't have anywhere to stay.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2018
    9:00pm
    OG, Raphael and a number of other posters are not the real McCoy. They are workers, not posters. Coalition trolls trying to get their man back into office. Soulless people who take money for despicable work.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2018
    9:46pm
    How despicable of you Mick to deceive others by claiming I and others may be paid posters ???
    My views differ from yours , I present the honest opinions of the majority who are sick and tired of the leftist progressive agenda which is merely a ploy to get the socialists into government
    I dont accuse you of being a paid labor troll although judging from your comments ; you probably are
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    12:44am
    That the Silent Majority, Rafe?

    Never heard of 'em .....

    The VAST majority of posters here do NOT support the insanity of Pension only being available at age 70, and I would suggest that as probably being derived from THE target group - they have the most right to say.
    Older lady
    21st Jun 2018
    10:04pm
    Well I hope the politicians end up having an elderly Dr or nurse looking after them. With slower reactions in an emergency which effects their life expectancy.
    It just doesn’t work in health care. Retirement age should never be 70 and this aspect will effect how I vote. Rediculous. People should be able to leave and get a pension when they notice they can’t function safely in health care. And also with manual labour. As accidents will happen.
    Adrianus
    22nd Jun 2018
    8:20am
    You make a good point Scottishlass. I wonder, should people prepare as best they can for that possible eventuality?
    MD
    21st Jun 2018
    10:14pm
    Jeevers-aitch-kryste, mere mention of any matter politic effects the opening of the first four of seven seals which summons forth the four horsemen of the apocalypse. (No prize for guessing the jockey's names) He said, she said, they said and I say. Miserable bloody lot of blinkered old nags for the most part and long overdue for the knackery. Most you lot savour the salt and relish rubbing it into old wounds then howl the be-jesus to kingdom come. Reincarnation... lawdy I hope not if it means a second coming then according to the damned it'll be hell on earth.
    Heaven help us, save us from the sorely oppressed.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    12:48am
    There you have it people - all laid out for you in fine incomprehensible Australian dialect, straight from the horse's mouth...

    Save us from the poor long-suffering rich who do so much to sustain the economy.....
    MD
    22nd Jun 2018
    4:56pm
    "Straight from the horses mouth" sure as hell beats straight from the horses arse - hands down, every time.
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    9:50pm
    Oooooh!
    Marian
    22nd Jun 2018
    12:26am
    Whit the all Australian pension system is the most corrupt in the all International law & systems the is dirty Governments propaganda for steeling money from the who is work for the pension not the gang in A.P.S the work only 3 hours per day or 50 % all the life as workers & the have 500% pay & the same is in pension that the Governments & Centrelink gestapo never say include the rotten corrupt all Ministers as is Keenan the never work for the benefits or Pension as the who all is stolen & have problem to ask for that who is legally below to them & the pay ask the minister who the have to pay
    Kanga
    22nd Jun 2018
    2:42am
    I've resumed my law studies to become a paralegal and maybe even a lawyer. I can't afford to retire, nor do I want to every. Some do and some don't want or cannot retire and I respect everyone's decision. Some can't retire but wish they could. It's never clearcut.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jun 2018
    7:27am
    True but labor doesn’t need to raise the retirement age to 70 if it doesn’t meddle with franking credits and oppose pay cuts or superannuation changes that encourage saving
    TREBOR
    22nd Jun 2018
    2:24pm
    Simple - abolish franked credits and everyone including companies pays their own tax. No argument left on the table.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jun 2018
    6:35pm
    LNP is DISCOURAGING saving. Assets test changes are making hundreds of thousands better off if they divest and qualify for a pension.
    Marian
    22nd Jun 2018
    9:58am
    The all Australia Citizence & the who work for the after pensions time is the time to stop the rude system abuse pensioners is the time to stop the Fake Constitution fake law & control all the A.P.S assets bank corrupt money who the have in home as the control life for others were is the evidence who the have pay for only small work on the office %0% day time or less
    BElle
    22nd Jun 2018
    1:30pm
    It is not always a choice. We were both retrenched at 57 and 59. Try getting another worthwhile job at that age...impossible. Then there are health issues, unsuitable type of work for mature aged people. The health issue does not need to be your own but you may need to become a carer for a relative. There are myriad issues that need to be taken into account. We need to keep the "retirement age" at 65 with the option to work beyond that time if you are able. They are just looking for a way to make your earned retirement less appealing and save the Governement money --- at your expense.
    Older lady
    22nd Jun 2018
    2:49pm
    I agree Belle. Keep it at 65. One good reason it’s not the time to change it is we have not had a work lifetime of superannuation employer payments like the younger generation. So it’s unfair to change retirement age at this stage. I see 63 yr olds struggle at work and to an extent bullied out of work. What a way to end your career. Feeling worthless and having to leave in a bad note. They know they are slowing down and can’t cope. But have no choice but to keep working. It’s so cruel and unfair and most certainly effects their health. Of course they can’t keep up with the young ones. And they are expected to.
    MD
    22nd Jun 2018
    8:14pm
    I'm guessing most contributors to this site are close to, currently at, over, or well past retirement age. So what's your gripe ? Either you're recipients of a part or full age pension/other social benefit or self funded. Most don't need to concern 'emselves about gubbermint extending the retirement age to 70.

    Few workers nowadays suffer the hardships of past work practices.
    Most humble homes are equipped with the latest gadgetry, numerous cars line the driveways and overflow onto streets and footpaths. The sorely oppressed and those feeling 'hard done bye' are safe in the knowledge a safety net exists for their basic needs. What more do people expect ? Too damn much it seems.

    The workplace as most of us know (or knew) it - from the past 70 odd years - has to date experienced radical change. The rate of change has grown apace with the advent of years, technological advance the force majeure. Looking ahead - as opposed to lamenting the past - this same rate of tech disruption is unlikely to remain a constant, on the contrary, it will accelerate exponentially. It has to, given the current population growth trend in developed countries of various peoples fleeing from world 'hot spots'.
    Whether existing residents (us) or new arrivals, both parties expect the basic necessities, be thankful we live in a lucky country.

    Whilst you're all content banging the same drum and chanting in time with each other, self satisfied with yourselves because few dissenting comments are posted contrary to the loudest or longest, is however, unlikely to have significant effect on policy.
    Arisaid
    22nd Jun 2018
    8:58pm
    Well that opened a can of worms didn't it!
    Older lady
    23rd Jun 2018
    1:28am
    The future fund was st up to help with pensions etc
    Older lady
    23rd Jun 2018
    1:30am
    There is 165 billion in it according to research I just did.
    Anonymous
    24th Jun 2018
    7:05pm
    This is why the Super Fund was set up....

    "The Australian Government Future Fund is an independently managed sovereign wealth fund into which the Australian Government deposits funds to meet the government's future liabilities for the payment of superannuation to retired civil servants of the Australian Public Service. Its investment decisions are made at arm's length from the executive.[citation needed] At 30 June 2016, it was valued at A$122.8 billion.[1]

    The stated aim of the fund is to hold A$140 billion by 2020;[2] which would fund A$7 billion in superannuation payments each year from the federal budget. Withdrawals from the fund to pay superannuation benefits can only take place once the superannuation liability has been fully offset or 1 July 2020, whichever is the earlier.[3]"
    Jannie
    23rd Jun 2018
    2:53pm
    The current generation who cannot afford to buy a house now will have to use their long saved super to buy a place to live when they stop working. Rentals will be unaffordable so no option but to buy a run down place to live. So I ask what will they have left to live on? A pension will have to be relied upon to live from one day to the next. As the population explodes and the workforce depletes further, those unable to find a job will have to go on to some form of hand out from the Government. The horse has bolted already, too many people, no jobs for them, and to top it all off our infrastructure has broken down.
    Jannie
    23rd Jun 2018
    2:56pm
    ONCE AGAIN I GET A REMOVE APPLIED TO MY COMMENT, WHO IS CONTROLLING THIS SITE?
    Anonymous
    24th Jun 2018
    6:41pm
    There are many young people who have knuckled down and have bought and are buying homes.

    The ones who want to live an extravagant lifestyle, swanning around the world and living it up will never own homes. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. To each their own but don't complain when you get to retirement age and have nothing.
    ABE
    26th Jun 2018
    7:07pm
    Jannie, everyone gets a "remove" when they post a comment. The point of that is, it enables you to remove the post within a certain time and correct it if you've made a mistake. Next time you log on, you'll see there is no "remove".
    GeorgeM
    24th Jun 2018
    10:49pm
    "Australians prefer to retire at or before they reach 65" - absolutely.
    Confirmed also by real facts:
    "More than three-quarters, or 76 per cent, had retired by the time they reached 65. The remaining 16 per cent were between the ages of 66 and 69 when they stopped working."

    So, let's TELL the politicians we want the Pension age to be reduced to 65 yrs and make it Universal Pension for all (at least for those Resident here for 15 years).

    Also, remove all Special Pensions for Politicians, so that they have to apply under the same rules as everyone else. HOW DARE THEY CONSIDER LIFTING OTHER PEOPLE'S PENSION AGE, WHEN THEIR OWN IS CURRENTLY ONLY 55 gradually increasing to 60? Vote them all OUT.
    Marian
    25th Jun 2018
    4:56am
    In the rouge system who only is in Australia you wok all life pay for the pension pay Tax &very heavily save to help you self & the Gang on the Parliaments or mafia criminals in Human services 0r Centrelik steeling all from you & abuse you all life to the death include the Gestapo whith the ministers before & today the most professional paranoia M.Keenan he abuse all the Australian Rights to life & all days only plan to more steeling
    Celia
    26th Jun 2018
    12:11am
    Husband retired 3 years ago aged 73.
    jennyc355
    5th Sep 2018
    11:00am
    Actually there is no savings for on mature age newstart ,, the goverment pays “jobactive companies “ to manage your job search activities for jobs that arent there and 2019 more money spent on pathway plans on top of the other cost .If there is a saving for government it would be small.


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