Survey shows fewer women need men in retirement

More women are returning to work after retiring than men, according to the ABS.

Fewer retired women need men

While Australians continue to wait longer to retire, the impact on women’s working lives is greatest, according to data released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) on Monday.

"On average in 2016-17, Australians aged 45 years and over were intending to continue in the labour force until 65 years, up from 63 years a decade ago," ABS Chief Economist Bruce Hockman said.

“This is consistent with the continuing trend of people staying in the workforce for longer,” Mr Hockman said. “A decade ago, around nine per cent of people aged 65 and over were employed. This has increased to around 13 per cent in 2016-17.”

The report, Retirement and Retirement Intentions, is conducted every two years and surveys those aged 45 years and over, whether or not they are retired.

In the 45 to 49-year bracket, five per cent were retired, compared with 64 per cent of 65 to 69 year olds and 82 per cent of those aged 70 or more.

In 2016–17, of men aged 45 years and over, 58 per cent were working, 36 per cent had retired, three per cent were out of work but not retired and three per cent had never worked, the ABS said.

“In contrast, 47 per cent of women aged 45 years and over were in the labour force, 40 per cent had retired, eight per cent had never worked and five per cent were not in the labour force but had not yet retired.”

Based on the latest Multipurpose Household Survey, the data indicated that women’s retirement circumstances varied more compared with respondents in the 2014-15 survey.

Two years ago, 13 per cent of the female respondents said they expected to rely on a partner’s income compared with 11 per cent today.

The bulk of people who had previously retired and rejoined the workforce or intended getting a job were women – 108,200 out of 177,500.

Reliance on a government pension or allowance was also down to 25 per cent of all respondents compared with 27 per cent previously.

Of the 1.6 million men who had already left the workforce, 29 per cent of them retired aged 65 years and over compared with 26 per cent previously – an increase of three percentage points.

However, the number of women who waited until 65 to retire climbed five percentage points from 10 per cent to 15 per cent.

And it seems baby boomers become restless more easily nowadays, with 32 per cent of them saying they returned to work because they were bored or needed something to do, compared with 28 per cent two years ago.

By occupation, people working in sales had the highest average age that they expected to retire at in 2016-17, at 66 years, while community and personal service workers had the lowest at 64 years.

Did you retire at the age you had planned to? If you are still in the labour force, when do you think you will retire? Will you have to work longer than you hoped for financial reasons?

Amendment: ABS has confirmed that an ABS supplied table published in this article was incorrect. The ABS table has been removed and will be replaced when correct information is available.

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    19th Dec 2017
    9:31am
    "Survey shows fewer women need men in retirement"

    So bloody what? This is just more feminist crap from YourLifeChoices. Put a sock in it. Plenty of men don't need women, or want them.
    Maggie
    19th Dec 2017
    9:41am
    I am one of these really fortunate independent women. I had 2 careers, brought up two children and being of my generation I did all the housework cooking, shopping, worked full-time, and generally waited on my husband for 40 years before I lost him.
    It now gives me great pleasure to do what I want, when I want, eat when and what I want, go where and when I please, and from comments like the above, I certainly can do without another man in my life. Lucky woman I am! And I am sure there will be a chorus to join me.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    10:01am
    Good luck to you. But never forget that it was a man who put a roof over your head in the first place.
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    10:21am
    Maggie well done. Hopefully your husbands money won't run out. I think it's important that all you single women stay single and stay independent keep up the the good work. :)
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    11:52am
    Everyone’s waiting to retire because the age to retire went up. This article was stupid.
    I have worked most of my life since 14. I still have my wonderful husband (we are both in 60’s) and hope to have him for another 25 years should we live that long lol. Should the unthinkable happen, I wouldn’t want another partner.
    There will always be a percentage of men and women who prefer to be single Or who have lost a partner.
    If you look around, you’ll also see all the loving elderly couples enjoying life with each other.

    We are a diverse group of men and women. Some good and some not so good.

    Knows-a-lot - I bought my first home as a single woman. I have contributed equally financially and domestically as my husband has.

    Aw tibs - the war of the sexes lol. I’m so happy you are enjoying life and I hope you continue to do so for a long time to come. My best wishes for you. Oh and yes, I’ve noticed the influx of older woman at the checkout. I think good on them for looking after themselves.
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    1:01pm
    Crafty what a really nice comment. I wish you and your husband many years of happiness it's nice to hear from a woman who appreciates her husband, I'm sure he feels the same about you. And yes I know I'm a grumpy old man. I'm truly terrible aren't I. ;)
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    2:07pm
    You’re not so terrible lol. You just need a good woman who suits you, and yes there are a few. You do need to keep you and and your finances safe. Lots of crazies.
    I love my husband but he is a bit old school like you and a few others. See my statement further down. You would enjoy his sexist comments lol. I just laugh, he is a very good man, kind and loving.
    Happy cyclist
    19th Dec 2017
    2:39pm
    Knows it all, that is such a crap comment to say to Maggie that a man put the roof over her head. A marriage is supposed to be a partnership and whoever brings home the pay packet is no more a contributor than the one who raises the kids, cooks, cleans and does all the other millions of unpaid chores so that the breadwinner can have a cushy life just working. When the one who raised the kids, usually the woman returns to the workforce she is well behind the eightball having been away so long so probably takes a job well below her ability. Men had it all so good and so easy for so long, some recognise that and others are bitter, twisted and nasty. No wonder many women are loving their freedom.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    2:50pm
    'On yer bike' sounds almost as twitter and bisted as Knows-a-lot :( Merry Christmas to all, including those (women) who 'worked down mill' a-cooking and a-cleaning 'n raisin the chillun and those (men) who 'worked down mill' busting their gutz for their families also :) Goodwill to all this jolly old Christmas ;)
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    6:55am
    I agree with Happy cyclist. I think both Knows-a-lot (who knows very little by my observation) and Tib were extremely rude to Maggie. She said she had two careers. Who knows how much she contributed in money terms (not that a monetary contribution is any more valuable than raising children and running the household). She may well have contributed far more money than her husband over their lifetime. She may have bought their first home. My daughter did. Her husband had NOTHING when they married but she had a house deposit and she worked full time for 15 years to pay the house off. Her husband still spends 80% of his take home pay on himself and has private bank accounts while she struggles to pay all the bills AND care for the house and children.

    I had uncles who were alcoholics and drank all their pay while their wives worked hard to support the family and keep up the house payments. And a friend was a chronic gambler whose wife worked to support the family while he lost everything on the horses.

    On the other hand, I know two women who put every cent they earn through the poker machines.

    We can all quote examples of irresponsible partners of both sexes. It is exceedingly rude, nasty, presumptuous and unfair to make assumptions about people you don't know and to judge either women or men as a group. There are millions of fine, hard-working women doing more than their bit for their families, and thankfully there are millions of hard-working, considerate men doing right by their families. Show them ALL some respect and stop being sexist and chauvinistic.
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    12:58pm
    "I think both Knows-a-lot (who knows very little by my observation) ..."

    I know a lot more than you will ever know, Rainey.
    Anonymous
    30th Dec 2017
    9:52am
    About how to be insulting and offensive, Knows-a-lot - and very little if anything else.
    Anonymous
    30th Dec 2017
    2:39pm
    Only morons find truth insulting and offensive, Rainey. I know more than you about more things than your highly limited intellect could ever possibly imagine. Go and Rain on someone else's parade.
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    10:04am
    Every week we get the usual story older women destitute,the poorest group in the Australian community. Of course women are working longer and living alone they don't have a choice. It's good to see men are no longer picking up the bill. It's obvious we men don't need you. I guess this is why I keep seeing so many 70 year old checkout chicks. Ha ha
    I hope you all stay independent and keep working till your 80, not as if you have a choice, the world needs more very old checkout chicks.
    By the way ladies I retired at 52. It's 10am and I've just enjoyed a leisurely breakfast and I look forward to a day doing what I want. You probably just finished your 2 hour call in for woollies , lucky you. Ha ha.
    Rosret
    19th Dec 2017
    12:26pm
    Beach, shopping and checking out YLC - life is good Tib.
    Its an article, not an opinion of the female population.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    12:34pm
    Yeah, Tib. Chill and enjoy Christmas ;) Its only one journos interpretation of stats etc. written, methinks, to stir the Chrissy pot. Seems to be fairly successful too :(
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    1:12pm
    Oh dear if I start seeing too much Christmas cheer, I'll have to have a little lie down. Merry Christmas to all the happy people and a special Merry Chistmas to all the grumpy ones...bah humbug.:)
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    1:15pm
    Your right heyyybob I don't want to have a grumpy heart attack and cut short my retirement. Merry Christmas.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    1:24pm
    Gudonyer Tib. Suggest we ALL look under the Christmas tree for that piece of paper guaranteeing we will be here NEXT Christmas ;) Nope, no such thing is there. So lets ALL resolve to enjoy 2018 the best and the bestest way we can ;) YoHoHoHo !!!
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    4:10pm
    It’s good women work and pay their own way. The article probably means women don’t need men to support them financially which is a good thing.

    As super started for everyone in the 90’s, women will continue to be more self sufficient. Nobody wants a man or woman who doesn’t work or contribute.

    This will result in women contributing more financially and men contributing more domestically in their marriages.

    Don’t have a grumpy heart attack tib:). Better to have an old checkout chick than a lazy, won’t get off her ass user.
    cmcmull
    19th Dec 2017
    10:04am
    I certainly retired from paid workforce much earlier than planned. I stopped work to have 2 babies & when my son was newborn 1 week old I was forced to pack up house & move interstate in Dec instead of mid Jan & was then sprayed with dangerous pesticide by my husband's employer -Dept of defence. It was only supposed to be used in vacant houses & with 2 babies & no transport there was no way to escape. I have lived with chronic illness ever since. University education and life wasted by arrogant men.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    10:19am
    I had my life wrecked by arrogant women - bloody feminists.
    cmcmull
    19th Dec 2017
    5:05pm
    Knows-a-lot
    I certainly am not a feminist. I grew up in a loving family with a wonderful father, only daughter with 5 younger brothers. Some of my closest friends are men. I probably did not come across any of these arrogant men before marriage and I probably still don't know many other than the hierarchy of defence. However after more than 30 years of illness there is still no other logical reason for me having to be discharged from hospital because the removalists were on the way and having to move that week for my husband to work one week in new posting before Chrismas leave when we'd given them notice of my pregnancy 4 months earlier.
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    5:23pm
    Don’t take it personally cmcmull. Some of these men have had bad experiences with women. As much as some women have had bad experiences with men.

    You should look into compensation. No life is wasted. Your husband must be supportive with you being sick so long, I know my husband is when I am sick. You gave life to 2 human lives and brought them up, which is an accomplishment. Create new dreams for you.
    Old Geezer
    19th Dec 2017
    10:27am
    There is nothing better than a strong woman to tame.
    Puglet
    19th Dec 2017
    12:13pm
    Bloody hell OG, don’t make this semi-violent vitriol worse! Your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek me thinks but most of the other comments are not written with laughter in mind. I can’t help smiling at the imagery you create!
    Old Geezer
    19th Dec 2017
    1:28pm
    OK I guess I'm the one who is hen pecked and use lots of "yes dears".
    MICK
    19th Dec 2017
    10:28am
    Perplexing. The article talks about age 45 and this is nowhere to be seen on the graphs. Also what id "persons"? Are these transgenders?
    A poorly written article.
    Hawkeye
    19th Dec 2017
    12:24pm
    Mick, I was wondering the same thing, but I reckon I've worked it out.
    "Persons" are all the yes voters in the "you-know-what" (I don't want to get persecuted for mentioning it)
    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Dec 2017
    11:17am
    Men die young...fact!
    When they die..the wife gets the lot plus Insurance!
    Of course they don't need or want a man!
    They are financially Independant!
    Women only have a man for children & family and of course...with kids...you need a pay check!
    Men on the other hand are hard wired to to have sex and procreate!
    This entails Slavery as much for him as it does for her...but it is for the Children...not each other!
    50% end up divorced...which means back to step1 for the man....and a replacement bread winner for the woman.
    So it is more logical that the man is the one put in the poor house and is made bitter!
    It takes 2 to Tango....but only one to decide to Quit!
    Mant times I get told men are just cheating bastatds....but hey....who the hell do you girls think he is cheating with?
    The Sheep?
    In real life...dishonesty has No Gender!
    As for being bitter?
    Who the hell wants a Partner that is dishonest & lies to you?
    The one who gets cheated on needs a Reality Check....they are doing you a favour....they simply are not worthy of your time!
    Be thankfull you found out and move on!
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    12:30pm
    Yes men die younger now because they smoked and drank too much but that is changing. Now , young women smoke and drink too much.
    Every relationship has to have deal breakers. Ours are infidelity, dishonesty and other behaviours that should go unsaid like abusive behaviour.
    My husband is sitting next to me and said “yes, men die younger for having to put up with their wives for 30 plus years”. OMG the men we marry lol.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    3:20pm
    I dunno about all that - older women are lining up to have a shot with me......

    Women don't really live much longer than men - it just seems that way to men (chortles)....
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:01pm
    Men die younger because (among other reasons) they defend their country in times of war - keeping the women safe at home - and because overwhelmingly they do the most dangerous and dirty jobs.
    Kaye Fallick
    19th Dec 2017
    11:42am
    Comment removed for being derogatory - keep it nice please peeps
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    3:22pm
    .. but.. but.. but... I wanted to read that one... free speech an' all... let the People decide if they like it or not - if not - move on....

    Like Muslim 'jihadists' on Q & A - I always say let them speak their views, and let people decide on what and how they express them.... 'empower' the ordinary people to determine for themselves what they think is right or wrong....

    (bloody Fascists all around these days)....
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:02pm
    ... and feminazis.
    revell
    19th Dec 2017
    12:02pm
    I never married probably because I didn't trust anyone to take care of business as well as me. We humans are an imperfect lot, marriage is difficult for both men an women. Marriage would not have suited me as I am very independent. I have enough for my needs and was able to retire early as I didn't have children. And now I guess I would be a catch but choose to remain single. Relationships and children to me seemed just too hard. But you do miss out on a lot, that I acknowledge.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    12:39pm
    Yes, we are an 'imperfect' lot, except me and thee, Revell :) Makes us and life more 'interesting' but you cannot underestimate the worth, in so many ways, of regular Pillow Talk over the years and decades. However, onward and upwards (possibly) and lets all enjoy our Christmas with families and friends and p'raps the odd (!?) stranger :D
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    1:17pm
    Well done revell
    Live life on your own terms
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    12:05pm
    Peace and Love and Nice Thoughts/comments people, for ...... sake !! Its Christmas, have good one, all of you nice people and all of you not-so-nice people ;)
    Old Geezer
    19th Dec 2017
    1:18pm
    Christmas.............yeek isn't that when the family battles really get going?
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    1:29pm
    Guess so, but that is where family 'legends' are born :) *'sides, ANYTHING beats watching Oz thrash the Poms at hitting a little ball around :D
    johnp
    19th Dec 2017
    12:06pm
    there is an old saying which even today is often relevant
    The definition of a successful man is one who can earn more than his wife can spend !
    The definition of a successful woman is one who can find such a man !
    ;-)
    Charlie
    19th Dec 2017
    12:18pm
    I didn't know there were that many old men looking for partners. Anyway the first place they look is overseas.

    Now we have allowed, men to marry men and women to marry women, what perks are there left in heterosexual marriage.

    If a person has been married all their life then, they become good at living that way and enjoy living that way, so if they lost a partner they may be seeking another person. I don't know if it is about needing to be dependent?
    Rosret
    19th Dec 2017
    12:33pm
    Charlie if you visit a retirement home you will see the proportion of men to women. Its a virtual harem for them!
    However, that poor man,"Please lift my suit case, please help me ....". Then all that nattering female chatter. Ugh ...whyyyyyy.
    Old Geezer
    19th Dec 2017
    1:26pm
    Any eligible men in nursing homes are quickly found by the desperate old dears.

    There was one fellow whose wife had to put him in nursing home as he had lost his marbles and became unmanageable. It wasn't long before one of old women had acquired him. He used to recognise her very well and when his wife visited he used to have to ask who she was and when told he said he didn't know her.
    Charlie
    19th Dec 2017
    7:42pm
    I was talking about "old" but I wasn't thinking "that old"
    Rosret
    19th Dec 2017
    12:22pm
    I don't understand your graph. Males, Females and Persons? There are less people than Male and Females and yet the two later are a subset of the former?
    Why did I retire? - absolute and total exhaustion. Not age. When the boss told me my workload was to be increased at the same pay and I had the option of working at the same rate on 10% less pay I cried, spoke to my daughter and explained I couldn't work any harder and she said stop. So I did.
    What is the point of walking on this earth if you work from sun up til bedtime and are too exhausted to do anything on the weekends except recover. It was time to stop.
    However I do feel so sorry for our younger generation. They are being shafted well and truly.
    I was never a Unionist however they did keep the Capitalists in check. Its all about balance.
    johnp
    19th Dec 2017
    12:30pm
    Yep, I agree. I was rarely a unionist though had nearly 20 years in public service style position but with hindsight should have been much longer. Just look at the Qld govt employees now, with all their perks, higher wages etc from the Palaszczuk govt. Bit of a sheltered workshop these days !!
    Rosret
    19th Dec 2017
    12:37pm
    It will and is coming back to bite. If the division in wages becomes so great then the economy loses consumers. Once people stop buying the big guys fall too and we really are in a pickle.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    1:38pm
    Yes Johnp, I come from a LONG line of Unionists going as far back as Winton in Queensland in the late 1890s and I know that a lot of them would be turning in their graves seeing the results of people abandoning the Unions. Seduced by 'Enterprise Agreements', Independent negotiating for wages etc and the insidious rhetoric of those opposing the Labor Party etc. Welcome to the desperate and hard world of the Casual Employee who has to have 2, 3 or more casual jobs to ..... create a life for themselves and their families. Wishing them a Merry Christmas and a better year in 2018.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    3:04pm
    I note your comments heyyybob and I speak as a person who was a union member of various unions from first starting work until just after retirement. I was always a voluntary union member, i.e I never worked in an industry which had the catch cry "no ticket, no start". The demise of the unions was notable for two major decisions by the legislators. The first was when it became illegal to force a person to join a union to enable them to work and the second was the ruling that an employer wasn't required to deduct union dues from the employee's pay and forward it to a union. These two decisions reduced unionism in Australia fro its high of about 78% to its present position, thought to be about 17% of the workforce.

    Can I suggest that unions are the main initiators of the EBA's? These EBA's gather in all workers, not just union members and some of the EBA's have been shown to be detrimental to workers. If you read the transcripts of the Royal Commission which highlighted these practices you will find the proof. I am not a fan of the Labor party but I choose not to engage in insidious rhetoric but, rather, I choose to point out where they have let down workers in pursuit of their goal of being in government.

    If you check back on when casual workers first became a force to be concerned about, you will find it corresponds with the unions insistence in having unfair dismissal laws perpetrated on employers. I agree that some employers were unscrupulous in the way that they handled their workers but I couldn't see the need to penalise all employers because of a very few. Casual work grew because it was easier to sack an employee who didn't measure up without having to go through a routine which lasted almost 6 months or face an unfair dismissal payout.
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    3:34pm
    Insidious rhetoric ? Not really, Old Man. The young, not well skilled, educated workers never had a chance once the employers Union (Chamber of Commerce) and their bedfellows, you-know-who, got stuck into them. We do know how well the Unions were demonised in the popular media and so many still believe it all. I still say it is not an ideal future for the many, many casual workers of all ages trying to emulate the opportunities that many of us Old Men and Women had, to get ahead 'back in the day' and I wont be so dismissive of them.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    4:18pm
    Thanks heyyybob, I agree that bosses blew the unions out of the water and exploited workers once the right to use EBA's was legislated but that was simply because the bosses read the legislation and adapted to it quicker than the unions did. After a very short couple of years, the unions got their act together and EBA's were actually negotiated between workers and management. Some of the negotiations have left workers in the lurch with payments being made to unions to agree to certain conditions.

    Not all unions were demonised back then, the same as not all unions are demonised now. If you look at what is happening in Melbourne right now where the MUA and the CFMEU are holding the ports to ransom illegally, you will see where the media is reporting the truth, not demonising.
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:15am
    Sadly, the unions brought their demise on themselves. By forcing people to pay dues to an organization that then donated to a political party many of the contributors didn't want to support, and by betraying their members often and engaging in corruption, they wrote their own death warrant. I know they did a lot of good in some areas, and only some unions engaged in corruption and wrong doing. One union I had dealings with refused to act when the employer was engaging in illegal acts that put the workers' lives in grave danger, because the union rep was ''on a good thing, and didn't want to rock the boat''. That same union took dues from new employees in November and December without telling them that all fees were due in January, so the new guys paid two years dues for one year and a month of membership. When there was a vote to strike, the union rep announced that all those who were on ''on call'' rosters (the highly paid) would receive their pay regardless, then took a vote which obviously was in favour of striking since it only resulted in loss to the battlers struggling on very low incomes. One fellow suggested the men consider how to help those with families who could not afford the loss and the union rep told him to shut up. My mother was in a union that urged workers to go on strike for higher pay, then the rep told the boss (a hotel manager) he only had to raise their room and meals fee and he'd actually be better off than before. He was. The workers were not!

    We've all heard the stories of corruption and we all know how unions in shipping and essential services areas held the nation to ransom. The demise of unions was inevitable given this conduct. Given that bad news travels so much faster than good, it was inevitable that the good they did would be largely overlooked.

    When it comes to unfair dismissal, my sympathies lie with the employer 100%. I can name dozens of workers who were either totally inept, lazy, or actually planned to get themselves sacked and claim unfair dismissal to get a lump sum payout. They flock into courts with fraudulent claims and according to the judges most employers pay ''piss off money'' (excuse the language) because the cost and stress of defending false claims is just too high.

    I've been on all sides at times - employer abused by unions and bad employees; worker abused by a bad union; abused worker defended by a good union. Unfortunately, we can't generalize, and therefore it's impossible to create an ideal world. There will always be unfairness for many and abuse of rights by some.
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:17am
    Now how did a discussion of women being independent migrate to a discussion of unionism?

    19th Dec 2017
    12:32pm
    Ignoring all but the last paragraph of a poorly written article which has been done over and over ad nauseam. I retired at age 62 because I had had enough of working which had been non-stop since age 14. I was fortunate to have been in a job which involved a good super scheme and when the children left home, I used the salary sacrifice system. I have never felt the need to resume work although we do volunteer work on a regular basis. Not bragging, just answering a straightforward question with an honest answer.
    Rosret
    19th Dec 2017
    12:35pm
    :)
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    12:38pm
    Here’s to a happy Christmas and to getting to and enjoying retirement. Retired since July 2017 and looking forward to what’s to come with my beloved even though he’s a mere male lol.

    19th Dec 2017
    12:48pm
    So what I get from this article is
    1. More women are retiring single and financially independent
    2. Australians are less reliant on pension in retirement
    3 a large percentage of Aussies retire long before pensionable age

    Which all tends to show that Aussies are well off and the articles about women having it bad and the pension being inadequate are bulldust
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    12:54pm
    Jeez !! Thats 'drawing a long bow' Raphael. Quick check on the number of pro 'n con comments on this thread and compare with the numbers of Retirees, Persons over 60 etc from some source such as Aust Bureau of Stats or similar and it should filter your 'bulldust' conclusion slightly ;)
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    12:55pm
    p.s. Bah, humbug and Merry Christmas *anyhow :)
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    1:02pm
    Merry Christmas to you too heyybob :)
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    1:07pm
    Cheers.
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:20am
    ''A lot of people are better off than they once were, so therefore all claims of poverty and hardship are bullshit'''????? What sort of logic is that, Raphael? No wonder the world is in a mess when so many are so blind, ignorant of facts, illogical, and uncaring.
    Old Geezer
    24th Dec 2017
    4:06pm
    Rainey Raphael is right. Most people today are better off then they have even been and that includes a lot of OAPs. Many even tell me the same thing. Many people think they live in poverty as they can't have a new car every other year or can go on an expensive annual holiday these days.

    Just because you are struggling doesn't mean everyone else is struggling.
    Anonymous
    26th Dec 2017
    9:32am
    You are making no sense, OG. Nobody said 'everyone else is struggling'', but you seem to think that because you and Raphael and Bonny are rich, everyone is wealthy and greedy.

    There are many people, still, who are suffering genuine hardship - yes, living in REAL poverty. So we, as a nation are better off than we've ever been. That doesn't imply that everyone is well off. Nor does it suggest that some of those crying poverty are not genuine.

    As I have said often (but clearly you have a comprehension problem!), I am NOT struggling. But I know many who are. And I know what it is to struggle because I did for decades. And I have nothing but contempt for the vile creatures who gloat about their relative wealth and ASSUME that those who struggle are either lying or at fault.
    Julian
    19th Dec 2017
    1:49pm
    Its been said that married men live longer than single men...but married men are also more willing to die.
    Kaye Fallick
    19th Dec 2017
    2:43pm
    Second derogatory comment removed - we will need to close this thread if it can't be a civil discussion
    heyyybob
    19th Dec 2017
    2:54pm
    Ho, Ho, Ho Kaye ;) Keeping you on your toes today, aye Kaye ;) Merry Christmas to you & the rest of staff at YLC :D
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    3:34pm
    Obviously you boys are getting a bit tough on us genteel females. Lol
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    5:20pm
    It's all the lefties Kaye

    Don't close the thread - just ban the Green and labor supporters

    Tib's OK - he's a champagne socialist - he just drops a few lefty comments to keep the masses happy
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    5:31pm
    Hi Raphael. Personally I never understood politics. It’s either too right or too left, black or white. What’s wrong with grey, I like grey. ;)
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    5:34pm
    Why thank you Raphael. You're too kind. You have a Merry Christmas and don't you let those communists steal your stocking. :)
    ex PS
    24th Dec 2017
    9:05am
    I plan to sneak into Raphael's house tonight and dye all his stockings RED. I will then hide under his bed, he will never find me.
    JAID
    24th Dec 2017
    2:16pm
    Don't get stuck in the chimney.
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:04pm
    Just ban all the Lieberal-voting Rightards.

    19th Dec 2017
    3:17pm
    Oh, dear - and all this time I was lead to believe that women had only their own super etc to retire on... must've been wrong......

    (*pops tongue out of cheek*)....
    Watto
    19th Dec 2017
    3:40pm
    Oh Dear My comment has been removed by Kaye. Slow down on the caffeine old chook

    19th Dec 2017
    4:13pm
    Persons - suddenly at the age of 79, both Morticia and Alan discovered that they had each always really been each other in the body of who they actually were... booth looked at one another aghast...

    "You mean", said Mortie, flicking a vagrant hair out of her eye... "that I've always been you... and.. and. YOU have always been .. me?"

    Al made a kind of Gallic face, shrugged in a Gallic kind of way, and said...

    "Frankly, Mort Dear, I don't GIVE a damn! I'm now a 'person' - love it or leave it!"

    "Humph"... well..."So am I, Alsie Baby!"

    The mind truly boggles....
    Boof
    19th Dec 2017
    5:39pm
    Me thinks this site is a bit precious. What happened to tongue in cheek comments. Do you have a new Editor or maybe somebody from the priesthood.
    Old Geezer
    19th Dec 2017
    5:50pm
    Yes looks like fun was good while it lasted.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    5:59pm
    Feminazi
    Foxy
    19th Dec 2017
    6:11pm
    Why would women need men? What for? Putting the rubbish bins out - petrol in the car - air in the tyres? lol

    Getting the occasional "huntsman spider" - cleaning out the gutters (can get that paid for on Airtasker!) Other than that - there is no reason I can think of ...???

    Older men have big gnome like ears (hair sticking outta' them) big noses (same) shuffle instead of walking (due to saggy testicles etc.) - make stupid jokes - think they are still "peacocks" from their younger days??? lol lol - and are still of the mindset "they are still attractive to allllllll women"? lol lol lol

    I cringe cringe when I go to lunch with certain friends! They have met "men" online (due to financial circumstances) and put up with these total "morons" for finanacial reasons! Forget it!

    I would rather be poor (not that I am - but - I'm not rich either)) - have my own life - own the remote control (lol) - eat what I want/get dinner when I want it and do what I want!!! ........never have to argue - wash/iron another persons clothes......enjoy my own life!!!!!
    YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! :-) :-)

    Foot Note: I am still great friend's with my ex. (father of my 30 yr. old only son) ....he found a woman in like 4 months - men do? hahahaaaaaa ..........women are more "picky/choosey" ..........well - some are! :-) :-)
    Hawkeye
    19th Dec 2017
    6:25pm
    Where are you now Kaye?
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    6:32pm
    Oh foxy - a bit harsh. It’s a bit tat for tat. Your friends don’t sound picky if all they wanted is financial support. That’s demeaning themselves and unfair to the men who probably think their loved for themselves. Your friends should’ve got jobs to support themselves and picked men they could love.

    We are all inadequate individuals just like everyone else.
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    6:34pm
    Oh and yes, I often tell my husband he’ll be lining up dates after I’m dead and before my funeral. Lol
    Foxy
    19th Dec 2017
    6:41pm
    yeah well ... thankyou Crafty ....... you picked me up there - and for good reason - appreciated! :-)

    These people I was talking about are probably more like acquaintances (not good friends) ... but interesting scenario none the less!

    When you in your late 60's etc. - no jobs - they find "men" online .... just sayin' ......... :-)

    Why do we need Kaye "Hawkeye"? You fit the bill huh? lol lol lol
    Foxy
    19th Dec 2017
    6:45pm
    ...for some reason Crafty - men will find someone/anyone - in a heartbeat! Women generally do not do that? You sound so nice ....... Happy Xmas to you Crafty! :-)
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    7:49pm
    Thx foxy, merry Xmas to you.

    Kaye will delete abusive emails. No, yours is not.

    My youngest half sister (mothers 3rd marriage) received an $800k inheritance from her father. She has spent the lot and is broke. I have never been given anything and worked hard to have a home. not worth anywhere near $800k.

    We tend to make generalised statements here but as I have said many times, a percentage of men are no good and a percentage of women are no good.

    As for finding someone quickly, it’s still individualistic not pertaining to one sex. I joked about my husband finding someone before he buries me, but if I die younger than expected, I hope he finds whatever he needs.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    8:20pm
    Cathy - youre misguided.
    Nearly 90% of women are no good

    men - roughly around 60% maybe
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    8:33pm
    Where has the real Raphael gone???

    90% of people are good and decent. We all have moments of being shitty. We have our quirks, likes, dislikes, habits and beliefs.

    I know you won’t like this but I always say I don’t like nuns of any religion, but I’m sure there must be a good one :). I too make generalised statements.

    Merry Xmas Raphael.
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    8:35pm
    Haha. PS. You’re starting to sound like my good friend tib........
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    9:18pm
    No way - Tib is s dirty socialist

    Merry Christmas to you too Crafty. I know you cant be good - so be naughty . Maybe put on your red bikini for santa
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    9:41pm
    I’ve definitely got the wrong person.

    Haha. I’m nearly, mostly, sometimes, occasionally good. Red bikini, That would be a sight for sore eyes. Like some of you fellas in budgie smugglers lol.

    I’m pretty sure tib is more capitalist. He likes his money, he’s not sharing and he worked hard for it, saved and now enjoying the fruits of his labour. Cheers
    Tib
    19th Dec 2017
    9:47pm
    Raphael I'm a very clean champagne drinking socialist please!
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    10:37pm
    Now that’s funny tib lol
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    1:56pm
    Lining up at my door, Foxy - the tables turn once older age sets in and women are still required to be attractive and intelligent and feminine etc...

    I prefer working man's champagne.
    Foxy
    20th Dec 2017
    2:43pm
    ... well from what I have observed as people get older - it's the men that let themselves "go" and it's always the women who are well-groomed and look a lot younger than their age and for the most are extremely attractive?

    I know I am! :-) :-)

    ..only Crystal Champagne for me ........ Happy Xmas!
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:28am
    Crafty, I doubt Tib ''worked hard''. Very few who are well off financially work hard. The hard workers in this country are generally paid crap wages, struggle, and retire poor - often suffering injury at work or illness as a result of work conditions. As the song goes, ''It's a rich man's world''.

    You can tell when a person who is well off did work hard. They are kind, empathetic, and acknowledge the realities of life in a harsh world - recognizing that the hardest workers are often paid very poorly and retire hard up. Those that gloat over their good fortune, boast about their success, and denigrate the strugglers don't know what hard work is and are totally deluded about the real world. Lots of them on this forum, sadly!
    Anonymous
    23rd Dec 2017
    7:37am
    I can see why Foxy has an ex. With her attitude, what bloke could stomach living with her?
    Olga
    19th Dec 2017
    7:42pm
    Hi. It's Olga here. Thanks to all the sharp-eyed readers who picked up the anomaly in the bar chart, which was provided by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. After checking with the ABS this morning I was told around 5pm that they had in fact produced a couple of incorrect charts in the media pack. ABS will rectify this tomorrow. Let's hope the rest of the statistics I quoted from them have integrity.
    Anonymous
    19th Dec 2017
    8:22pm
    Nah Olga - those public servants are as dumb as dogshit.

    So don't count on it
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    1:56pm
    Feminised workforce... kills it every time....
    Maggie
    19th Dec 2017
    10:21pm
    This is for Knows-a-lot who in this case, knows very little. I worked as much for the roof as my husband did and I supported him while he started a business.
    Crafty
    19th Dec 2017
    10:36pm
    Hear hear, As most of us did Maggie. I’m pretty certain a good % of women under 70 worked most of their lives barring illness and children. My mother is 88 and I think she worked a fair bit. Last job with railways until she was around 50ish I think. Oh, then she did the markets until 60ish.

    These men might be older than 70 hence the opinions. Life changed quickly last century.
    JAID
    20th Dec 2017
    9:27am
    By way of oneupMANship Crafty, my mum, is over 90 and puts in a gratis day a week at a local crafts sales venue.

    This because she has always worked and worked hard, probably also because she wouldn't know how to retire, additionally because it is something she can still give to the community.

    I don't have heroes but she most be the closest thing to equalling my late Dad who has long been the next best thing.
    Crafty
    20th Dec 2017
    11:34am
    Good on your mum jaid. How inspirational is she. Definitely someone to look up to.
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:39am
    A woman I now was widowed at 26. She raised her children, worked to pay off a home, and retired at 60 to give 4 days each week to charity work for St Vincent de Paul, 1 day each week to Neighbourhood Watch and 1 to teaching voluntarily at the local school. Her evenings were spent making dolls clothes and library bags to sell for charity and she rose early every morning to wash and mend clothing and stuffed toys she'd brought home from Vinnies.

    Another was left destitute by her husband who ''couldn't cope with their disabled kid'' so just walked out when her son's major disability was diagnosed. He came back 15 years later, sick and confined to a wheel chair. She nursed him for 20 years, still caring for their seriously disabled son. Some here call her a ''bludger'' or ''irresponsible'' because she's on a carer pension and has never worked or paid taxes. Some here would claim she should be given a ''cashless welfare card'' instead of money to buy her son an ipad so he can learn to communicate.

    There are lots of inspirational women in this world. Sad that some are too bitter or preoccupied with themselves to notice - and sadder that many would see good people badly hurt in the quest to make this more of a ''dog-eat-dog'' world and abolish compassion and empathy.
    Anonymous
    23rd Dec 2017
    7:39am
    This is for Maggie. I know a bloody sight more about all sorts of things than you ever will.
    Old Geezer
    24th Dec 2017
    4:12pm
    Rainey many women without partners need to keep themselves busy so they don't get lonely so I can understand why your woman windowed at 26 does what she does. I also can't see why the other lady can't buy her son an iPad to communicate and it can also be part of a NDIS package so no problems there at all.

    I wouldn't call them inspirational women myself as most so called inspirational women neglect their own families for their own selfish needs and for that big pat on the back by others. So don't talk to me about inspirational women.
    Anonymous
    26th Dec 2017
    9:37am
    OG, you really are an unpleasant person. I don't know how your wife tolerates your nastiness.

    I know plenty of inspirational women who do enormous good for society but also care for their families. And I think the woman who took her husband back and cared for him after he deserted her is certainly inspirational. Her generosity of spirit is remarkable. And some vile creeps would condemn her to misery on a ''cashless welfare card'' for the ''crime'' of not selfishly pursuing wealth for herself instead of relieving society of the burden of caring for her husband and son. How disgustingly vile! Unlike you, OG, she DESERVES respect and consideration, and a few luxuries in life - INCLUDING the right to spend CASH on an occasional bottle of wine if she so desires. Take your FILTHY VILE SELFISHNESS to a communist nation, where it belongs.
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:08pm
    "This is for Knows-a-lot who in this case, knows very little. I worked as much for the roof as my husband did and I supported him while he started a business."

    This is for Maggie, who knows a bloody sight less than me. Do you want a medal for working as hard as your poor husband for a short time in your life?
    JAID
    20th Dec 2017
    6:19am
    Some comment appears balanced but the general tenor here seems, well, degenerate. Figures can be argued (and should be) but when it comes down to it this is not about proving that one sex is better than or does more than or is worth more than another it is simply an opportunity to understand how different needs and attitudes play out and how that may be changing.

    To answer the question at the end of the article. I have not planned to retire, I like doing what I do. I do know when retirement will come. That is when I drop, have no clents or can no longer function appropriately. Financial matters are integral to work but do not contribute to some time when non-work is the attitude of the day.
    ex PS
    20th Dec 2017
    9:08am
    I agree, if you are with a man or a woman, because you need them, you need to asses your values and your own self esteem. I am with my spouse because that is who I want to be with, I can only hope she has the same point of view, if not I hope she takes steps to ensure her future happiness, how could I possibly be happy knowing that I was impeding the happiness of the one I love most?
    As far as women living off their husbands money, it is a very thoughtless person who will not acknowledge the contribution of the spouse who stays home and looks after the home and the children. Men/women have to ask themselves if they would be as well off if they did not have that support.
    JAID
    20th Dec 2017
    9:19am
    Agree strongly ex PS. The contributions to a partnership don't even have to be equal, it is a contract and in its simplicity it overides the toos and fros and daily details.

    When one wishes to enter a partnership that is the time to deal with any conditions. [Then sit and hope no interfering Government or Court squashes it.]

    For myself "no conditions" appeared the appropriate and genuine contractual arrangement.
    Crafty
    20th Dec 2017
    11:38am
    Great comments.
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    1:58pm
    Be a lot quieter and more civilised all round if the women would just stop the endless whining about retirement money - they do as well as men anyway, and feminism is a shot duck these days.... there is no room in a declining economy for the many for petty self-consideration.

    We're not all low class peasants from some dark Third World country who steal other people's pets for dinner... (that's happened to me, BTW)....
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    2:00pm
    .. also had a restorer car in the driveway, unlocked - a young kid came down and smashed a window to get into it - the door was unlocked - when I fronted him he said:- "I'm just breaking into this abandoned car". WHAAAAT?? What were his parents thinking when they conceived and raised that kind of lack of mentality?


    Just a sign of the times these days......
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:51am
    The marriage vows used to include the words ''in sickness and in health, for richer and for poorer'' - implying an equal partnership in which both partners were obliged to support each other through whatever life threw at them. Far more than half the contributions people make to both their family and the community/nation are not valued in money terms - sometimes because they can't be or payment is not affordable, and other times because we just don't recognize what matters most in life.

    Australia is in bad shape now because we, as a nation, have lost sight of what is valuable in life. We've lost the ability to appreciate the things that matter most. We've become obsessed with money and all that money buys. And that obsession is reflected here in comments about women's and men's respective contributions to a partnership. So very, very sad!
    ex PS
    21st Dec 2017
    8:07pm
    TREBOR, my wife has Super and I have Super, in other words, we have Super. At the end of the day that Super is dealt with as a source of our income, at no stage do we stop to ask who has contributed the most, it is simply ours. We have more important things to worry about than who has the most capital invested in our retirement fund.

    I hope you sent an invoice to the parents for the damage done, it could be a useful life lesson for all concerned.
    Happily retired early
    20th Dec 2017
    5:29pm
    You never see written on a tombstone,

    “I wish I had worked longer”

    Wake up Australia!
    Anonymous
    21st Dec 2017
    7:43am
    So right, Happily retired. This country really needs a wake-up call. People seem to have lost sight of the value of lifestyle and relationships. Only money matters in this dog-eat-dog world! And this attitude is taking a heavy toll.

    Australia needs to wake up and recognize that a comfortable and happy retirement is a necessity as both an incentive to work and contribute to the nation and an ingredient for good general personal, social and economic health. Nobody is forced to retire, but everyone should have the option - and should be properly rewarded for their contribution to the nation and able to afford a comfortable retirement and to pursue activities that enrich their lives - INCLUDING giving gifts to grandchildren, travelling to visit family and friends, and hosting family get-togethers on occasion.
    Old Geezer
    24th Dec 2017
    4:16pm
    Rainey if you want a comfortable retirement then it is up to you to provide yourself with one. Welfare is for the basics of life not to make people comfortable and able to completely tick off their budget list before they die.
    Anonymous
    26th Dec 2017
    8:57am
    WRONG, OG. In as society that DOES NOT pay people according to the social value of their contribution, it is ESSENTIAL that we recognize the need for social payment in the form of pensions and unemployment benefit in order to maintain a healthy society. If you do otherwise, you create the dog-eat-dog world where nothing matters but money and that's a recipe for crime, rebellion, sickness, addiction and general misery.

    People who work for low wages are just as necessary and valuable to society as the stinking vile overpaid inept fat-cats who speak as you do. We need cleaners and garbage removers just as much - or actually, far more - than politicians and lawyers. We have created a society that gives some people opportunity to earn high incomes and uses others unconscionably. Sadly, our capitalist society can't operate any other way, but the welfare system was intended, originally, to balance the inequity so that social harmony could be achieved. It is only this GREEDY SELF-SERVING generation that wants to destroy that for their own personal gain. I hope before long they suffer the consequences of their greed. And I hope they suffer much.

    21st Dec 2017
    8:03am
    I claim to be retired, although really I'm not. I still work part-time, but I claim to be retired because I now work exclusively for pleasure. The money is nice, but it doesn't matter at all. I just love what I do. And I'm ''retired'' because it's the first time in my entire life I've been able to do something I love - either for money or otherwise. Most of my work life was spent in boring, frustrating, physically strenuous work that put my health and safety at risk, yet was very poorly paid. It is just so good to be able to do what I want to do with my life now. I hope I can keep ''working'' for a very long time.

    That said, I acknowledge that my partner did it just as tough as I did. We are ''partners'' in every sense of the word - equal in every way. But we would NEVER try to measure respective contributions or put value on them. And neither of us would ever resent or wish to deprive the other of pleasures - even those one of us may regard as extravagant, frivolous or wasteful. Our relationship is governed by mutual respect. We make budget and spending decisions together, but with love and understanding of each other's personal needs and desires. And we both appreciate that each contributes what they are able, in the ways that are most appropriate to their skills and abilities. These rules have worked well for nearly 50 years, through major and minor crisis, significant trauma and ill-health, long periods of enormous hardship, and a short period of comfort and relative affluence. I often say we are lucky, but friends say luck had nothing to do with it. And if we consider what life has thrown at us, there was certainly very little good luck anywhere along the line. But I'm convinced that hardship builds both appreciation of what matters and strength to strive for it. And I'm totally convinced that genuine hardship builds empathy, compassion, and respect for others.
    ex PS
    21st Dec 2017
    8:11pm
    I retired six years ago and have never stopped working. I just don't get paid and I can take the day off whenever I like.
    Equal in every way, that's the way to go, we have access to each others bank accounts, emails and Super Funds, no surprises and no arguments about who's in charge, what's there to argue about?
    Crafty
    24th Dec 2017
    1:08pm
    You always say the nicest things Rainey. Your wife is a lucky woman. I’m lucky to have a very good man too. You deserve everything you have.
    I agree, we only need love, enough money for bills and some extras, hobbies, activities, family and friends to share with.
    Not only does hardship build the above, its makes you self reliant and hard working.
    Rainey, exPS, and all the other happily married men, and women, my heartfelt good wishes for Christmas and the new year.
    To all the singles, be of good cheer. We may not need the opposite sex, but it’s good when you find a good one.
    vinradio
    21st Dec 2017
    8:08pm
    Tib, you are a miserable old sod. I have always worked, lost my husband at 54, after a brain tumour. I always will miss him, but do enjoy my freedom to do what I want, now. I also was a homeowner in my 30's. We both contributed in different ways to the marriage, and it was a very good partnership. I doubt I will remarry.

    25th Dec 2017
    11:21am
    my choice has been to remain a single woman all my life, loving it. who needs a boring, nasty, lazy old man to look after? i prefer my cat.
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:13pm
    My choice has been to remain a single man all my life. Who needs a boring, nasty, lazy, financially rapacious woman to look after and bludge off me? I prefer my cats.
    LeFrog
    25th Dec 2017
    11:45pm
    Knows a lot needs to not a little more.....Maybe women are not attracted to his ways of thinking .... And, understandably enough, women cannot put themselves at odd with the stereotyped male that the OZ society has created. Good hearted perhaps but a product of a very ignorant society that had little to do with how to get along with each others at all levels.Things are improving though.... For myself , I hope to meet again a lovely australian woman again....I do not need one. I just would love to be with one...
    Maggie
    26th Dec 2017
    3:39am
    Now that's better! Some insight at last. I hope you find a truly special lady.
    JAID
    26th Dec 2017
    9:22am
    The sentiment seems fine but is it based on real changing values or changed values?. Roles have always been resisted by the few no matter the general persuasion but it is reasonable to ask whether, on the whole, balances in other times (when this supposed stereotyped male was developing) were generally acceptable.

    Don't get me wrong, I think much of the change we have seen in social interaction over my lifetime has been positive. At the same time it seems a little arrogant that we deprecate earlier values on the basis of our own.

    Each sex has had its grumbles through the ages, rational or not. The measure of successful mix should take account of the underlying willingness to be part of the reality created and the attendant lack of subjugation.
    ex PS
    27th Dec 2017
    9:37am
    Women no longer have to " settle", in most cases they have become independent and can look after themselves. I for one welcome this state of affairs as you know that if a woman chooses to share your life it is probably because they like you for who you are.
    I think perceptions of marriage/partnership have changed for the better, one party no longer looks for someone to take care of them, both parties are looking for someone who can move forward with them and jointly provide a good life for themselves and their family.
    When I met my wife she earned about 30% more than me and was paying off a house on her won. I had just got divorced and was flat out finding petrol money to get to work each week. There was a time not so long ago that a woman would consider such a match as a bad choice, thankfully my wife took a chance and it worked out well.
    Since that time we have had occasions where one was always earning more than the other, we tended to take it in turns, this really taught us the unimportant of worrying about who was being the Prime Provider, together we have achieved what would have been impossible for just one of us to achieve on our own.
    I look back and thank goodness that I did not subscribe to the old view that the man must always be the main bread winner, false pride would have been my undoing.
    Anonymous
    28th Dec 2017
    1:15pm
    "Maybe women are not attracted to his ways of thinking"

    LeFrog, I don't give a rat's arse whether or not women are attracted to my way of thinking, because I don't give two hoots about 99.999999% of women. Most of them are parasites.
    Maggie
    28th Dec 2017
    2:52pm
    The good news from Knows-a-lot ( he thinks!!!!) is that he is not interested in women. Wonderful escape for us I reckon!
    Anonymous
    29th Dec 2017
    3:05pm
    The good news from Knows-a-lot (he DOES know a lot, and a bloody sight more than Maggie [Naggie?] ever will) is that he is not interested in Maggie's opinion on anything. Wonderful news that she's inflicted herself on only one unfortunate male dupe.
    Anonymous
    30th Dec 2017
    9:51am
    Read Knows-a-lot's posts on other pages. Pretty clear to me the ONLY thing he knows is how to insult and offend without cause.

    I agree with your Maggie. It's very good news that he's not interested in women. And I'd hazard a guess that any man who could win your affections would be a very lucky man indeed - but your loyalty means a large number of men will be sorely disappointed.
    Maggie
    30th Dec 2017
    1:44pm
    I thank you for the lovely compliment. I hope that 2018 brings you all the good things that you wish for yourself. And I wish the same for anyone else who reads this including that old Knows-a-lot!
    Anonymous
    30th Dec 2017
    2:46pm
    @Rainey "Read Knows-a-lot's posts on other pages. Pretty clear to me the ONLY thing he knows is how to insult and offend without cause."

    Thank you for parading your intellectual dimwittedness. For your information, I have gained a PhD (in various disciplines) and am a university medallist - which is a damned sight more than you could ever hope to accomplish. And I have written six books (which is probably about six more books than you have ever read).

    @Maggie. Thank you for your benevolent wishes.
    simo
    17th Feb 2018
    9:48am
    On a trip to a new hotel in the area i am working , i went into the pokie lounge and was surprised to see all
    the patrons where women , so guys spend it before they do.


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