Friday Flash Poll: Help us solve the aged care mystery

Take part in our Friday Flash Poll and help us solve the aged care mystery.

Friday Flash Poll: Help us solve the aged care mystery

The royal commission on aged care will not only investigate disturbing cases of abuse, it will also examine even more concerning staff to patient ratios, diminishing standards of care and how the system should be funded in future.

While many older Australians have a plan for retirement, quite often that plan does not include provisioning for the third stage of retirement, specifically, how seniors plan for care in their ‘frailer’ years.

Aged care may then be a necessary evil but reports of widespread abuse and mistreatment of patients in aged care facilities certainly put a sour taste in the mouths of those who even ponder the possibility of having to enter the system.

While most older Australians would prefer to age in place, the government funding of home-care packages falls well short of requirements.

The Government claims it rolled out 23,808 home care packages during the June 2018 quarter, which brings the total to 148,672 packages released in 2017-18.

However, in the same period, the queue for home care packages has grown to 121,400. Many older Australians wait months to access the right level of home care and, in frustration, give up and enter an aged care facility instead.

To add insult to injury, the Federal Government’s $8 million advertising campaign promoting extended care options just gives people false hope, as timely access to home care packages is difficult, sometimes impossible.

Little wonder then that many claim the aged care system is not only flawed but broken. And even less surprising is that older Australians put the thought of aged care out of their heads until thinking about it becomes absolutely necessary.

But is that the best way to tackle this tricky situation? Should retirees know more about aged care, and be better informed to plan for the third stage of retirement?

With this in mind, we’d like you to help us solve the aged care mystery. By taking part in our Friday Flash Poll, we’ll hopefully pull the curtains back and reveal the attitudes of older people towards aged care.

Armed with this information, we can make a difference.


Do you think there is enough information about aged care for you to make informed decisions about the third stage of retirement?


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    5th Oct 2018
    The question.."Reasons for not preparing for age care"... It assumes that we all have full control over everything that happens and doesn't make allowance for Murphy's Law.

    "If something can go wrong, it will go wrong and at the worst possible time".
    5th Oct 2018
    SO CALLED ******* CARE....could not care less and consumed $47k care package in the blink of an eye. Who can call for accountability in such a greedy grab. Dares to call themselves not for profit too.
    Old Geezer
    5th Oct 2018
    Euthanasia for me as I don't wish to play Bingo in God's waiting room waiting for my number to be called.
    Not a Bludger
    5th Oct 2018
    Too Right, OG - # Me Too.
    5th Oct 2018
    At last we have an issue I can agree with you on.
    It would at least save a lot of botched suicides . A quick pain free death would be far better than years of suffering, loss of dignity and quality of life . My only concern is that if it were to be made legal, the government may make it compulsory.
    Old Geezer
    5th Oct 2018
    I was at a nursing home recently and was told they tried to block all their residents from using Facebook because they thought it might upset them. One old fellow complained to his grandson that he couldn't send him any more messages using messenger (part of Facebook) or receive any of those funnies his grandson sent him. so his grandson set him up another way in so he could. Within a week half of the residents were back on Facebook but they couldn't work out why. Rather than solve than solve the mystery they decided to unblock Facebook. A week later they solved the mystery.

    So do mess with Old Folks and try to tell them what they can and can't do.
    Old Geezer
    5th Oct 2018
    Ahjay the sad part about it is that many people in nursing homes now starve themselves to death as that is seen as the only way out. We hear a lot about the terrible food and they don't eat it but the real reason is not spoken of.
    5th Oct 2018
    Yes me also or suicide if euthanasia is not possible... i cannot afford any other option anyway & have no one that cares enough about me to wipe my shitty arse etc either! But at what point do we take this action, not an easy step!
    Have been to hell & back with my dad (dementia) & been thru hell with the private nursing home he is in & doesn't want to be there. There is no way i intend putting my own 2 sons & their families thru what we've been thru with my poor dad! Nursing homes leave a lot to be desired & fall so far short on so many levels it is disgusting!
    5th Oct 2018
    We need far more accountability in aged care. CCTV to monitor patients and carers for example.

    We also need to draw up a list of basic rights for aged care residents and stiff penalties for anyone infringing those rights.

    If society cannot look after its most vulnerable citizens what hope for the rest of us?
    5th Oct 2018
    What is also needed is a staffing patient > carers ratio. A lot of the horror stories we saw on Four Corners was due to lack of staffing and possibly the quality of staff, but definitely the numbers. It seems most private age facilities are in it for profit and don't give a hoot about their patients. Voluntary euthanasia is the answer and you shouldn't need a terminal illness, when you've had enough that's it, unfortunately younger people do not and will not appreciate this concept until they reach the same point.
    5th Oct 2018
    I'm with you Old GHeezer
    5th Oct 2018
    My family have recently had to put our elderly father in a nursing home. The nursing home is a strange place he is still getting used to. It is not his home or the neighbourhood he lived in for years. The changing staff are caring but not family. He is totally incontinent as I am sure most others also are in the home. This makes him fearful of being taken out anywhere. The food is good and he actually likes it. Things go missing and get put in different places as there are a lot of different people, changing shifts, coming and going from his room. Elderly people need things to be put in exactly the same place otherwise they stress. His brain is shot and he can't even remember how to put his jacket on but can have a rather muddled conversation which you have heard a million times before. He does not tend to do much exercise as he feels lost when he gets to the end of his unit's corridor. It is preferable to age in place for as long as possible but the packages are inadequate and take a long time to get and in most cases need to be supervised/kept track of by a relative. Not everyone has a relative. What the answer is I don't know. Staff quotas would be a very good start and careful interviewing for the job except that who wants to do this job? Quite frankly I do not want to live a long life if that is the future. I hope I drop dead of a heart attack. Losing your independence and doing nothing or boring stuff all day is not my idea of a life. Bring on euthanasia so that those of us who do not wish to "live" this way have a choice. Oh and of course last but not least, if you live a long time after you go into a home, they will drain you dry financially with nothing left for the kids. Why would anyone want to even think about the future, let alone "plan" for it. By the way, no-one can predict what is going to happen to them and when it is going to happen, so good luck with the "planning" as we are stuck with what is available whether we like it or not.
    5th Oct 2018
    People should be able to live and die in their own homes It should be choice. My mother was in a respite care in an aged care facility for a while but was unhappy so chose to return home with my help to to spend her final days at home and passed away .If you have a good network of support there is no reason why this should not happen. If you want this to occur then write out health care directive plan. This is available in all states
    6th Oct 2018
    KB you hit the nail right on the head when you said "If you have a good network of support". This is actually rare these days as grandparents tend to look after grandchildren while both their parents work. This is not necessarily a choice but so that the family can get ahead and provide their children with a good education and so that they can save for their own retirement. Also it can be a very long, laborious and restrictive journey if the elderly person lives a long time needing a lot of care. Not everyone is cut out for this. In the past when elderly people lived with their families this task fell mostly to the daughter which tied her even more to the house. Women have their lives to live as well and this does not necessarily include looking after everyone else no matter how much you love them. In a nursing home the tasks are shared by a variety of staff. At home, all too often, the majority of the tasks land on one person.
    5th Oct 2018
    It's not long (2 years) since we had to place Dad in aged care. No-one else in the family was living in his home town, and he was diagnosed with a terminal illness. At the time, we were just so grateful to find a place. He was there 3 months. I have to say, the facility was great; we had no complaints and Dad was comfortable, felt at home. There was a palliative care unit next door, so Dad was able to receive care from there, and not have to be moved. The doctor called for a family conference (by phone) to explain Dad's progress and the palliative care Dad would receive (although I think some family members couldn't take in the fact that Dad was so ill). We and other extended family were able to visit. Plus I, as Next of Kin, called at least every week to speak to the staff and see how Dad was. At every point I was happy with how Dad was being treated. At the end, the palliative care was brought to Dad's room and he ended his life in peace. No, not euthanasia, but sufficient pain relief. Hearing about all the aged care places in the news, I am so very grateful about the aged care place. I hope I can find something similar if I need it. My personal preference would be euthanasia but that is a whole other question.
    5th Oct 2018
    Rather stay in my own home and have care as required!
    Old Pete
    6th Oct 2018
    I became a resident of an aged care facility in my 50s and had no plan to enter an aged care hostel. I do find ' things' to do because I have an excellent mind but frail body. I have been well looked after. The facility is well run from carers to site manager. I find it difficultto see that hostels are failing accreditation.
    10th Oct 2018
    "Aged Care" definitely makes you give serious consideration to euthanasia! What was displayed on Four Corners emphasises the fact that these people had absolutely no quality of life. Such a tragedy. People see the aged as "cash cows", nothing else. Definitely euthanasia for me when I get to that stage.

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