22nd Jun 2018
Male baby boomers would rather retire early than work part time
Male baby boomers would rather retire early than work part time

Baby boomer men would rather retire early than take on part-time work, claims a senior economist referring to Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) labour figures released on 21 June.

This could mean we increasingly see more ‘disillusioned’ men aged 55 plus leaving the workforce over the next few years, says Westpac Senior Economist Justin Smirk.

While female workforce participation rates have increased over the last year, the rate at which men are leaving the workforce has pulled down male unemployment figures from 5.7 per cent to 5.4 per cent.

Male participation rates (70.68 per cent) are still higher than female participation rates (60.44 per cent), but the trends are moving in the opposite direction.

“We are … now seeing disillusioned males leave the labour force,” said Mr Smirk.

“If this trend continues through 2018, it is possible that the unemployment rate will fall even if there are job losses in male employment sectors (such as construction, transport and white collar).”

He noted that part-time employment is the area in which females are making the most employment gains, growing by 96,600 compared to male part-time employment rates increasing just 28,400.

“It is this outperformance in female part-time employment, when you also see falling male participation, which hints to us that there are men who would rather leave the workforce than take a part-time employment,” said Mr Smirk.

“The fact they are able to leave the workforce so easily suggests we may be on the cusp of another wave of retiring male baby boomers that are choosing to leave the labour force than take a part-time position, possibly [to a] different sector to where they have previously worked.”

Are you currently employed? Did you retire early? Why? Do you think there are enough opportunities for part-time employment at your age?

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    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    8:38am
    Pretty well have to agree with that.
    The whole home/work relationship has been turned on its head over the last few decades with employees being expected to be on call 24/7/365 and often abused in their chosen professions. And you wonder why those who can get out early do. A colleague of mine once said 'I don't live to work. I work to live.'
    The problem with economies like Australia and the US is business in most cases believe employees are their machines to be treated as they see fit. Why would anyone suffer such treatment for any longer than they had to. I left and not sure if my skills were ever replaceable. Their loss, my gain.
    Thanks Leon. Good one.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    10:54am
    Yup - told yez before - the dope that terminated my contract that was costing the company $2k a week found it cost initially $5k a week to get others to do it who had no idea, and that rose to nearly $10k a week...

    Brilliant management decision right there.... that company got rid of that guy shortly thereafter after he'd turned a $2m profit into a similar loss in four years - and someone else gave him a job as a manager... Jesus God!!

    I've got a big sliding door to fit in the garage today.. see yez....
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    12:37pm
    And the person who pushed you out and stuffed up the company got a big payrise?
    Old Man
    26th Jun 2018
    1:04pm
    I agree Bob although my remuneration was not as spectacular. There was a group of us who worked out that amongst us was over 300 years of experience and while none of us was so essential that we couldn't be replaced, the experience couldn't be replaced. We knew how to handle a range of problems and what shortcuts to take but those who replaced us were sometimes floundering.

    I had a 'phone call from a boss a couple of weeks after I was made redundant asking about a problem and I told him that it was easy to sort out. He asked me to pop in for a few hours to discuss it and I readily agreed but pointed out that I no longer worked there so I would need to be classed as a consultant. I told him to have a large amount of cash in an envelope for 4 hours and if it was to go past the 4 hours to arrange another envelope. He said he'd get back to me and that was the last time we spoke.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    1:08pm
    Good call OM. Amazing how when shafted the culprits then expect free work to teach the new person the job and fix problems. Society never ceases to amaze me in its audacity, greed and ignorance. Plenty of all on this website from some of our respondents.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:18pm
    I guess he did... that guy couldn't handle a simple clerical function and had never once gone out on the actual job to see how it worked and how the people worked. He also had that zero sense of humour insanity that meant that any time someone jested in front of him, they'd done something wrong, and the hatred poured out of him. I was his short, fat man's way of holding power where none was needed - DUH.

    He'd been an ex-corporal in the RAAF - mainly guarding gates... and I can readily see why the RAAF would dispense with him before someone killed him.... accidentally of course.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:19pm
    Well done, OM. Hope they learned their lesson., thought I'll bet they didn't - the criteria for getting a job as a manager - sorry - team leader - is to have stuffed up somewhere else first.

    26th Jun 2018
    9:12am
    That’s positive news
    Means more and more Aussies are becoming financially well off to be able to retire early
    Economic growth during the Howard /Costello and more recently the Abbot /Turnbull eras have made a lot of people financially independent with pro growth policies like paying off all labor debt and cutting taxes
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    9:31am
    Dishonest propaganda for the government troll. As normal.
    GrayComputing
    26th Jun 2018
    12:23pm
    Raphael is likely an AI web troll or someone very rich being paid to interfere with normal pensioner discussions. Get off this site.
    Old Geezer
    26th Jun 2018
    3:32pm
    I agree it is positive news and means that they have more than enough to retire on if they are not prepared to do part time work to supplement their income.
    Mad as hell
    26th Jun 2018
    5:47pm
    My pension dropped $200 a week thanks to the LNP changes to the Pensioner Assets Test. Will never vote LNP or Greens in any election be it Federal, State or Local.
    The changes to the Old Age Pension are stolen entitlements to fund company tax cuts.
    DaddyKool
    17th Jan 2019
    2:29pm
    Retired in 2015 at 62 as self funded.
    I do not give government of the day credit for this happy place. It was the global industry and markets my performance and luck that got me there. The government presided over a healthy economy they did not create it.
    jackie
    26th Jun 2018
    10:35am
    There are no real jobs...especially for older workers...older Australians are too tired and sick to work at jobs that don't pay proper wages and provide decent work conditions. Our politicians won't get out of bed for less than $1000.00 a day.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:20pm
    That's prosperity for you - prosperity for the very few and struggle street for the majority.
    Rae
    26th Jun 2018
    4:58pm
    Sick and tired of all the downsizing and having to do far far more with less. Carrying the load of another worker that became redundant for not much of a salary increase.

    I actually have a greater net income now than when I was working. Some of it lazy and some of it active investment. You need time for that and time to enjoy the rewards.

    There are plenty of jobs though but too many poor managers and stringent rules that just don't make work in a workplace much fun anymore.

    I imagine they are losing heaps of the millennial as well. Flexible isn't three shifts of 4 hours to avoid entitlements nor rigid hours 9 to 5 with no phones allowed. The very best will go free lancing now and that will be a good thing.

    Like OM said above. You need me you pay me my contract fees.

    Bosses deserve the staff they end up with. The smart ones will have successful businesses with happy busy workers.
    maelcolium
    26th Jun 2018
    10:50am
    Are they leaving the work force or are they being shunted out? With the possible exception of senior management, middle and lower managers are replaced with bright young things who are more compliant to carry out some of the draconian tasks which older more experienced people would rail against. As they are pushed down the ladder into part time menial duties they conclude WTF and take a parachute t get out of Dodge. Their chances at reemployment are zilch so they retire as they often have sufficient super to survive until the OAP kicks in.
    Female participation has increased because of the casualisation and part time growth in the work force which women don't seem to mind, whereas older males don't view that gig economy style of work as worth while - it certainly pays peanuts! This is also why youth employment has improved as more part time work has been created which the young folks will grab with both hands. The ABS figures show less hours worked nationally but more jobs. Neoliberalisation hard at work - excuse the pun!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    10:58am
    I guess it might be a mix. Certainly in my profession employees bailed out. Many took menial jobs to supplement their income. Others like myself had been making provisions for 40 years so managed to live ok without having to be abused again.
    Yeah....neoliberalism at work. Give 'em low paid part time work and keep 'em in poverty. Then bring in cheap third world labour to starve 'em so that they will be happy with crumbs. All whilst the top of society rewards itself, has mechanisms to lower taxable income and then cries for tax cuts it has no need of because of greed on steroids.
    So who you gonna vote for?????
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    11:37am
    There is a degree of that I am sure. Make the job increasing untenable for the seniors until they leave. Then replace them with juniors on minimum pay scales and the human resource budget looks really good.
    The initial output may not be so good and experience may be limited but juniors get smart very quickly.... and then they get replaced.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:49am
    I might suggest that some of the really bad service is due to this. How many times do you get a kid on the phone who knows zip about anything, including what they are employed to do.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2018
    3:14pm
    This is a very city centric phenomena, in my opinion/observation. It is interesting, and quite startling, that in the travelling I have been doing over the past few years, in remote areas, such as the Kimberleys and Kakadu, the number of back packers working in hospitality, because they cant get Aussies for jobs going there. I am also gob smacked that in a regional centre such as Mildura, with which I am very familiar, go to Centrelink on any given day - and there are dozens of young able bodied people queuing for benefits; but come harvest time, again it is the back packers that the crop growers have to rely on, to bring in their harvest. Now I know Mick will blame this on the existing government (everything from AIDS to pregnancy is Turnbull's fault - or maybe Barnaby Joyce), but this is a phenomena I have noticed for more than 20 years. I am on the south coast of NSW at the moment - the beaches are abounding with fit young blokes riding magnificent waves, and again there is a building boom going on here - and they cant get labour! Obviously Turnbull's fault!
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:24pm
    Well - they did say that increasing technology and efficiencies would give us more leisure time - now they complain about it when people accept that leisure time.

    Mind you - for every one of those surfers there is someone under the bridge tonight. When I lived way down that way, the school boys would come to the beach after school for a surf.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    4:34pm
    I will say that when I had a computer crash and couldn't get into it at all... the young guy on the other end of the phone was magnificent and fixed it all and backed everything up, including my books, in about four hours... for free.

    The only thing was my time zone was set to Ireland, I think it was... same time zone anyway. He reinstalled my software complete, from Windows over there, and backed everything up into files saved for me.

    He was courteous too - must be Irish...
    Rae
    26th Jun 2018
    5:10pm
    I worked for most of my life in the house building industry. Dad as a builder and then my hubby while he lived. They worked hard but if the surf was up the tools went down and off they all went surfing. It's called flexibility and if more bosses had it life would be better for everyone.

    A three week gig picking fruit does not a career make. Now if they offered farm management apprenticeships or someone could place farm workers with needed work quickly like uber or air b&b you might just get professional pickers again.

    While ever the hundreds of thousands of holiday visa workers will pick for accommodation and food maybe it isn't worth the effort for home grown kids.
    musicveg
    26th Jun 2018
    10:32pm
    Good points Rae, I have heard that the wages they pay backpackers is much lower, and they are happy to take anything to extend their visas. Also accommodation is a problem in many remote areas. Backpackers have chosen to have 'an experience' and be away from their loved ones, but a lot of unemployed people are looking for permanent jobs not seasonal. If the Government wanted Australians to pick fruit then there should be some incentive to take on casual work like being able to earn more before effecting your payments or having to wait for so long to get back on Newstart after taking on casual work.
    Rae
    2nd Jul 2018
    9:18am
    Yes music veg. The cost of everything is higher in places like Kakadu and Kimberley. Just a flight from Perth to Broome is very expensive and in some cases locals are subsidised to fly to Perth. Fuel prices are very high and distances far and you need a proper 4WD not just a pretend SUV. Food prices are around 30% higher.

    The holiday trippers chalking up experiences and the 88 days they have to work rural for visa requirements will work for pretty basic accommodation and food as they have their travel money to last them.

    Our own kids can't manage it as they just can't go work for bed and board. How would they ever get home again?

    26th Jun 2018
    11:07am
    Plenty of jobs out there with the booming economy
    Tradies and professionals as well as administrative and manual jobs aplenty
    Unemployment at record lows
    Those choosing to leave work early have taken advantage of the healthy investment climate and superannuation provisions set up mostly by the LNP over decades
    The new personal and company tax cuts will fuel further rises in income and wealth
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:08am
    Your normal government sponsored crap. Irrelevant and fake news!
    Hairy
    26th Jun 2018
    11:34am
    Raphael the joker hahaha.
    GrayComputing
    26th Jun 2018
    12:23pm
    Raphael is likely an AI web troll or someone very rich being paid to interfere with normal pensioner discussions. Get off this site.
    Sundays
    26th Jun 2018
    1:46pm
    That will be good news Raphael for the thousands of Telstra and Toys R Us workers who have lost their jobs, the former car workers and mine workers too. Check with Michaelia Cash and let us know her answer
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:24pm
    Tell it to the 600,000 unemployed Plus, who are more than aware that most jobs are filled on a rotating basis by people already in that sort of work.
    Cowboy Jim
    26th Jun 2018
    11:13am
    When I told management I wanted to retire they offered me 3 days a week instead of 5. I know pretty well that the outcome would have been - doing all the chores in 3 days because they would not have employed another bloke for the remaining 2 days.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:36am
    In a nutshell. Plenty of women who have time off to have the bubs suffer the same fate when they return to their job.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:25pm
    ... and many such choose part-time casual for the higher pay rate and the time at home.
    Franky
    26th Jun 2018
    11:19am
    I work free lance part time, where I can determine when I work. Suits me perfectly. I can recommend free lance over part time, as it puts you in control rather than the boss.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    11:29am
    So true. Part time can actually be worse than full time. You get no benefits and because there are "gaps" in the day there is an expectation you will happily fill that time working gratis for the company. (or there is an implied "you won't be on the call list tomorrow")
    Watch those Air Tasker jobs though. My goodness where are the unions on that little number!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:38am
    Disagree Rosret. Part time does not have the bells and whistles. Employers claim they compensate part time employees for forgone Long Service Leave and a whole pile of other benefits but if you worked it back to an hourly rate I'm sure part time workers would be horrified.
    Rae
    26th Jun 2018
    5:19pm
    Yes Franky and it is a great way to work for yourself. Hope there is more and more of it.

    It also allows the worker to have some power in the exchange of labour for payment.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    11:22am
    1. Men have more money in super than women.
    2. When a man retires a woman starts work - better to go to work each day
    3. Women live longer and they need to prepare for a longer retirement period.
    4. Women often have jobs that are more suitable to part time work where men are neither permitted or find it suitable to go into part time work. - You would have to look at the income and type of jobs of both sexes before coming to a conclusion.
    5. More men than women maybe in the sort of jobs where they hit the wall mentally or physically and just one day more is one day too many.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:41am
    They do Rosret because men do not normally take time off for child rearing.
    What is never mentioned is that a couple have to split their super if they divorce and the surviving partner gets the deceased spouse's super.
    Agree with point 5 although child rearing can be pretty arduous as well if done properly.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    12:33pm
    MICK super is split at the time of divorce and is usual swapped for the wife remaining in the home to raise the children. So unless one divorces in later years it has little benefit. I shall also add - in divorce no one wins and unless either partner remarries it is a huge burden for both couples and they are not likely to be your early retirees.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    1:12pm
    I might have thought the wife remaining in the home was worth at least half of the weekly rent for such a home. And the man?
    I grew up with title to the home being transferred to the (ex) wife. That was understandable but completely unfair.
    The couple next door to us split. The wife married a man who already owned a house so they ended up with 2 homes. The husband lived in a caravan at the back of his parent's home. Tell me about super.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2018
    3:27pm
    Mick, for once we are on the same page on an issue - divorce and settlements. I came out of exactly that situation you described - the ex got the house - moved on quickly and remarried, to a bloke with plenty of assets. I had no problem with that except that my kids have been severely disadvantaged, as their mother sought fit to blow all the assets from marriage one, and the kids will see nothing (rightly) from the assets of hubby Mk II. What is the solution? Thousands of blokes lose out big time because of the way the Family Court system works in this country. It obviously is right to ensure that kids in such circumstances are protected with a roof over their head, but that protection needs to be enshrined in some way, for the longer term.
    Rae
    26th Jun 2018
    5:27pm
    I totally agree with you on this Big Al. Horrendous things happen to children in these disastrous remarriages if either or both of the couple are selfish and thoughtless or greedy.

    It also seems unfair that a man gets less than half of everything they have achieved together.

    Too many men are emotionally destroyed when the marriage breaks down and get taken for far too much by the legal system in my opinion.
    niemakawa
    27th Jun 2018
    12:38am
    Rae, Most separations and divorces are instigated by women, yet they always come out on top in any settlement. Courts should take into account not only the reasons but who decided to leave the arrangement, as few distanglements are mutual. Yes the legal system favours women regardless of the circumstances.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:48am
    And the couple shares whatever super they have ... this is all a propaganda piece... and the reasons women earn less and retire with less super have been gone over thousands of times and shown that the presentation is false.
    gillham
    26th Jun 2018
    11:34am
    Well there are a lot of factors in this matter. Firstly males are discriminated against. Particularly older white males. They established their job based with superannuation. Employers now prefer to have employees on a casual basis . Concessions such as quotas and initiatives for females are rife. You get more money and your wife gets most of it upon divorce.

    I am one of 'em. @ 72. I am sick of being an identity of 'white male' which is subject of contempt in our 'identity' politics and culture. Sick of the identity politics. Proud to be who I am.

    Furthermore unemployment figures like many others are distorted to sell other identities within our culture. From my retirement at 55 I will pay tax until I die. No pension or concessions. I worked hard and now my culture turns on my 'white male' identity. Primarily in favour of females. I pay my own way.

    But the bottom line is see WHY more males are unemployed. Don't brag about it on behalf of women. Our only concern in our culture is for women. Males (white) from youths to those in retirement are treated with contempt.

    Don't ever forget that it is those white males at retirement age that got this Country as far as it has. They are now subject to endorsed abuse as recognition of their input.

    The character integrity of this Country has been changed and is abandoned. I have principles but they are nt culturally applied these days.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    11:41am
    Gillham being "White male" makes you the pinnacle of the food chain.
    What - you aren't? hehe Must be you forgot - it's white, 40ish, good looking male. Then there is sliding scale.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    11:46am
    Men seem to be targets for disenfranchised women's groups gillham. The 'Me Too' witch hunt was a symptom of this and the weeding out of bad men moved to open season.
    Women also want 50% of top jobs and do not want to hear about why this is not right. They want it come hell or high water.
    Never a mention about the Family Courts of old where women were awarded the family home and men lived in caravans after that. An inconvenient (historical) fact.
    The war of the roses goes on and you will just have to wear the ongoing attempts to chuck you out of a job and put a woman in your place. Not going to end any time soon. Especially with a whole generation of liberated genY female journos strutting their feel good stuff.
    Knows-a-lot
    26th Jun 2018
    11:53am
    More women in the workforce, feminism, men wanting to get out of the workforce ASAP. There's a cause-and-effect correlation.
    gillham
    26th Jun 2018
    11:59am
    Rosret. 'pinnacle of the food chain'. What does that mean. That I provide for everyone until the day I die, but cop nothing but cultural abuse until the day I die, while on a daily basis there are identity articles, in some form of sport, to ridicule men. That is the non recognised DV of men. Public DV that is.

    You are the lack of face to face product of the present day.

    So Rosret, thanks for the personal abuse and confirming my input.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    12:46pm
    I wasn't abusing you gillham. I am stating the way society pigeon holes categories. When I was a kid the child wearing the glasses was the odd one out. The Protestant/Catholic war was in full swing.

    These days there is a different scale of who we can pick on. There are people who want to pull people down and others who want to make sure others remain down the ladder. It hasn't changed - its just the order that has change a little.

    We all voted for the LGBT community. I was quite happy for them to have equal rights but I am now at the point where Netflix is almost unwatchable for me. I don't want to watch yet another gay show. Its got to the point where we have lost the concept of the "normal" heterosexual family. I am not supposed to find homosexual behaviour enjoyable. Why is being thrust down my viewing choices in every movie? I do get what you are saying gillham.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:33pm
    I didn't vote for the LGBT thing because they already had all rights pertaining to citizens... there is not and never has been a right to unconstrained marriage - only to not be compelled to marry a person not of your choice.

    The (deliberate) confusion came about because of the simple statement:- Right to marry the person of your choice.

    That did not mean just because you wanted to.... I didn't marry the LOML because she went off the deep end, went the rat.... bet she regrets it now, though.

    The right to marry the person of your choice means not not be compelled to marry a person NOT of your choice.
    MD
    26th Jun 2018
    3:55pm
    "We all voted for ...." eh Rosret? To whom should those of us - whose votes were then misrepresented - lodge objection/complaint ?
    imac
    26th Jun 2018
    11:53am
    I hate to say it but the reason couple of the reasons are that business prefer women rather than men because they can pay them lower wages and they are less likely to stand up to the bosses. The other reason (my reason ) for early retirement was because as an older person management still expect you to do the same job load as a younger person. because I complained about it to the boss, they decided I should move to part time but I told them to shove it and retired.
    gillham
    26th Jun 2018
    12:03pm
    Hey IMAC although the women are 'there' they do not work the same hours or contribute the same hours.

    Women's hourly rate is therefore higher for doing, well, less.
    gillham
    26th Jun 2018
    12:03pm
    Hey IMAC although the women are 'there' they do not work the same hours or contribute the same hours.

    Women's hourly rate is therefore higher for doing, well, less.
    Ted Wards
    26th Jun 2018
    12:44pm
    gillham I don't know where you get your information from but I can assure you, 35 years into my working career I do indeed put in the same hours as any male employed here, in fact we all do five days and he does 4 because he does not want to work full time at 55! So in what way do women not contribute the same hours? 9 to 5 is 9 to 5 in anyone's language (add in whatever hours you want). Would you argue that a male nurse works harder than a female nurse, doctor or specialists? It is well documented that a woman's wage is at 65% of the male wage, therefore we work harder and get less rewards, especially in the superannuation area. so I really think you need to educate yourself more.

    I for one am not sorry that older, bigoted men with out of date views are retiring, off ya go sail away into the sunset. Now for those of you lovely older men who appreciate their work colleagues and are not bitter and don't have an axe to grind, well done to you! To those of you men who have worked really hard and believe you have everything you need and want to experience life good on you, you deserve it!
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    12:48pm
    - and iMac that is just what they wanted you to do. Then the young worker will be paid less and the manager is happy.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    12:52pm
    gillham -seriously? Women work extraordinarily hard. I wondered where you used to work.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:36pm
    On average women work 32.5 hours a week and men41.5 - close to.... not so strangely that equates precisely to the 'wage gap percentage'..... but never let facts get in the way of a good argument.

    We all know some women put in the five day week etc.... but they generally receive the same income for doing so - at least they receive the minimum for the job since it is illegal to pay less - beyond that you negotiate or just take it.

    Julia Roberts gets more per movie than I do.... just saying..... I write books - my royalties are tiny compared to Patricia Cornwell.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:38pm
    Affirmative action has guaranteed that women in the public service and teaching are now earning more than men.... now tell me they work harder again....

    I know you're kidding, Ros - to make a point that what is said in public is not always the truth behind closed doors.

    Behind every great man stands a great women - with a knife in her hand these days.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    4:40pm
    Again - I'm waiting for the fullness of time to show us precisely what Affirmative Action (I will not lower myself to call it Equal Employment Opportunity since it is no such thing) does to the Superannuation Stakes, given that women now hold all the cushy government jobs nd cop fast track to any sweet job, with the preferential super and extravagant salaries due to 'classes' of clerk n' jerk etc... most of them overpaid for being dodos.
    Kathleen
    26th Jun 2018
    11:57am
    Men have worked for 40 years or more by the time they get to around 60 and often have had enough. Some are very stressed and expected to do more than they can happily manage. Women, on the other hand, are tired of being at home after raising the family and welcome time outside the home. A happy compromise is they exchange jobs. He becomes the homemaker and she becomes the breadwinner after studying in readiness for such an event. Now, she is armed with a few degrees, and returns to work as a teacher. Sounds like a plan? Yes, we did that and I worked until I could not. Now, in our 70s we are both at home and my husband is my carer.
    gillham
    26th Jun 2018
    12:09pm
    Yeah she's armed with degrees because she can study while her husband provides the funding. That is in addition to the education system and framework that with intent puts more women than men through University. The framework was changed to achieve that outcome.
    Rosret
    26th Jun 2018
    1:01pm
    I think a lot of women do that and of course the gap while raising a family impacts on their superannuation cache.
    Kathleen
    26th Jun 2018
    3:29pm
    gillham, why be so nasty? Why twist and turn things to make them a negative? Why makes things about gender in a spiteful way!
    Men and women work together to make a life and a family. Sometimes they spend their whole lives together supporting and caring for each other. It is give and take and is not a negative, horrible thing, but a way that works for many people.
    Women who stayed home to make and care for big families could choose to study and better themselves whilst still caring for a growing family. Most men were proud to do that and mine was my biggest fan but maybe you never had that and now are bitter and myssognistic.
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    3:45pm
    True, gillham - when free uni came in, women flocked to the universities for one reason - they had the time to do so.

    Now nobody can persuade me, based on overseas experience, that this was not a deliberate planned outcome from free education.

    The reality was that man tied to a full time job and a family did not get to uni as much and suddenly there developed a 'requirement' for a degree to do a simple task - meaning men who had done the job for years were left behind or cut out.

    Never trust Labor - they were and remain international socialists - others call it something different - but it is clear that for over forty years they have promoted female supremacy and now they stand on the verge of imposing it at the next election, with a mandated 'at least 50% women' representatives...

    You know what that small phrase 'at least' means in that context? what it means is that if there are five job vacancies and it is advertised that due to AA/EEO at least three must be filled by Exlathumpians - that means as many as all five can be filled by Exlathumpians without possibility of appeal..... whereas if only two are filled by Exlathumpians, all hell will break loose.

    Read the fine print when dealing with your Marxist/Leninists and your Fabians.

    That is why I will never vote for Labor again until they change their approach to THIS nation dramatically so as to reflect genuine equality and not despotic government of special interest groups.

    The same applies to the LNP for a different set of special interest groups, and likewise the Greens and any who side with any of these power groups in Parliament.
    Kathleen
    26th Jun 2018
    9:59pm
    Trebor, you agree with the misogynistic gillham. I am surprised as I thought you were better than that. Neither you nor gillham know me so why the negativity? It makes me sad the amount of nasty comments on here and why some of us bother to comment when we are met with such animosity.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:20am
    I don't regard myself as better or worse than anyone, Kathleen - but I do try to deal with facts.

    Also I did not offer any personal animosity - my comments are conclusions based on facts, and on my fervent hatred for imposition by government or anyone else upon the populace of my nation - not in any way against individuals.

    All I want is to see genuine equality replace the current lemming like rush to feminist hegemony, and real people get a shot at running this nation for a change - for all of its people, and not just for the loud-voice groups or the insiders.

    Far more vitriol has been poured on men by the feminist groups over the past fifty years or so than any man has ever poured on the often vile divorce settlement thing etc - and people know when they are being ripped off, usually through no fault of their own.

    It is a fact that more women than men initiated divorce - and not for reasons of violence - but because they 'no longer feel fulfilled' by it..... but that they continue to receive the contributions that the man makes to family etc that he no longer has.

    I've challenged countless women over the years to consider how they would feel if their family was suddenly destroyed through no fault of their own, and the children removed etc...... quite frankly none of them could cope with the emotional distress, let alone the daily struggle to get by while still paying for what you have no access to or input to.

    What would YOU do if your old man came home one day and said he no longer felt fulfilled by this marriage, and he then had you booted out and he kept the kids and the lion's share of everything and you had to pay for your kid's upkeep while he ran off with some tart who had her own assets and you had none left?

    There's the question that needs answering.

    This needs to be rectified.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    10:47am
    Didn't mention you, Kathleen - you shouldn't take personally every criticism of the often dreadful outcomes from the ratbag feminist lobbies and their running dogs, who've created this artificial war of women against men, and who have worked hard to destroy the family unit as a meaningful force in society.

    That's one reason, BTW, that our 'patriachal' society groups are killing us in the house hoarding stakes and such..... at the end of the day, regardless of the disputes going on,the patriarch sits them down to dinner and lays down the law and all obey for the family good.

    We, of the West, on the other hand, are living in an environment where family disintegration is being actively promoted by what are, in my eyes, groups of insane people turned loose on an unsuspecting society and even paid fine academic wages to push their insanity.

    On another forum, where you can post videos - I sometimes some current 'academic' insanities by referring to the video of 'Forbidden Planet', where Professor Morbius comes face to face with the reality that his beloved Krell were destroyed by Monsters From Their Own Ids.

    There are countless Monsters From the Id destroying the Australian Krell.... who created them via over-education and licence to pursue mindless and often insane ideological 'research' and 'concepts' in the 'furtherance of knowledge'.

    Now we have degree'd lunatics implementing gender identity and safe rooms with an ulterior motive - to generate - in their minds' - equality of 'same sex' and other gender' relationships' in school children.

    How do you feel about that?
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    10:50am
    Unfortunately, Kathleen, the majority of these Monsters From the Id creators are women or pseudo-women of one of sixty three kinds or more..... not REAL women.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    10:52am
    Here it is:-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrZagvsP3o0
    JAID
    27th Jun 2018
    6:18pm
    Trebor, I think you give planners in government too much credit if you think any would seriously attempt such a long term arrangement. The reasons you give for increased female participation in tertiary education may well be part of the reason but the exercise of the capability has been something that has rolled with very general changes in society.

    The changes can be seen in other than a gender basis also. The way we do things has changed, with that the capability but more the desire to extend potential more broadly has become more readily available. This is a free society extending its liberty.

    With every great change some will be caught up and treated in an unfortunate manner.

    Coincidentally, I suspect that one unfortunate aspect involves the dumbing down of the universities. While worthwhile research and high quality thinking still goes on this exists in a morass of everyday courses to cover mundanity. (Don't, by the way, blame that on women, it is probably partly a function of the 'University as a business' mode of thinking. It leaves us with legions of people who seem to have a little confidence, some order in their thinking and ability to follow rules and little else. Meanwhile the seriously creative and experimental, along with the professions have to suffer the bureaucratic ligatures a cadre of that scale imposes and the trades and para professionals flail for lack of interest in a society which thinks any degree is somehow better than the knowledge based reality they deal with.


    Yes, a bit OT there. Back to Kathleen, she was just expressing a reality which has worked well for some and did so without bias.
    Kathleen
    1st Jul 2018
    9:45pm
    Thank you Jaid. I could not understand the reaction. I made my husband proud and my children and was able to work in a worthy profession with teenagers until nearly 70. I only wish my mother could have lived to see my achievements as she would have been proud too.
    Rae
    2nd Jul 2018
    9:42am
    Well done Kathleen. Teaching High School isn't for the faint hearted at all. As well as reasonable pay it is a duty of service to your community and never to be sneered at.
    Kathleen
    2nd Jul 2018
    10:07pm
    Thank you Rae. It felt wonderful to make a difference. My three lives have been mother, teacher and retired grandma.
    GrayComputing
    26th Jun 2018
    12:20pm
    It is time for all of us to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

    Does your MP really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

    This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

    Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?

    Some opposition and independent MPs stand to lose their chance at being part of the needed government changes

    We all need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

    Also contact opposition and independent MPs who can help us to get a fair deal on pensions

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    12:35pm
    Many first world countries if not all have NO ASSET TEST. This is pretty well unique to our coalition government which rules for the wealthy and those with schemes of arrangements, Trusts, offshore tax shelters and who are demanding tax cuts when they are doing incredibly well anyhow.
    This is how a corrupt government operates. Get your own into power and then rob everyone else. Government in action in 2018.
    Ted Wards
    26th Jun 2018
    12:46pm
    You missed the point of the article, its not about payments its about why men are retiring earlier.
    Cowboy Jim
    26th Jun 2018
    1:10pm
    Mick - from memory the assets and income test was brought in by Labor; of course so was superannuation. I would prefer that all assets are counted so not all the wealth goes into real estate and bringing house prices out of range for a lot of people. A small cheaper house and some better investments for spending money is certainly better for retirees than a mansion to leave to your heirs.
    Sen.Cit.89
    26th Jun 2018
    1:12pm
    Mick; I think I'm correct that it was the ALP that introduced the Asset Test. Keating the villain of the Pensioners.
    MICK
    26th Jun 2018
    1:16pm
    You are all probably quite correct but Labor never came after average citizens with the intention of pushing them off the pension when they were income poor.

    Jim - I would not be unhappy about your suggestion but that would have to include ALL assets from wealthy people in whatever form, including gifts to children to lower their liabilities. I can hear the screams from those with tax shelters, Trusts and Schemes of Arrangement when they are caught short. In all fairness people with Offshore Tax Shelters would not need a pension....but then I don't see the prime minister donating his salary to charity like Palmer did.
    DC
    26th Jun 2018
    1:24pm
    Mick, Mick, - I really did not want to expose myself again to your vile comments but your one here really takes the cake!
    You cannot honestly believe that your beloved Labor Party would change anything, least of all the Asset test etc.
    Like all Polies your Labor mates just cannot wait to get their hands on other peoples money as well.
    On the one side you seem to be reasonably educated but your utter bias is indeed disturbing - How much they pay you to constantly bag anything and everything the Coalition does?
    Have a good day, nevertheless.
    Robbo
    26th Jun 2018
    3:05pm
    You got that right D.C I think Comrade MIck is straight from the Australian Communist party a real Red.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2018
    3:40pm
    Well Mick, there you go again - wrong, wrong, wrong! Today's front page of the Sydney Telegraph (yes, I know - a vile Murdoch publication, not to be trusted), carries a story about how MT donates the equivalent of his entire gross PM salary to charity - significant beneficiaries including the Sydney Children's Hospital (who have named a wing after him, as he has donated more than a million dollars to them since 2001); and an Aboriginal co-op in Redfern. Now I know you will have some snide and sneering response to this 'revelation' - cant wait to hear it Mick - not!
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    4:45pm
    Doesn't matter who introduced the Assets Test - The Trebor Scheme will finish that forever, by overturning that absurd anomaly and bringing retirement packaging under a single roof controlled by stakeholders and not government or business such as banks, and able to invest in solid long term return infrastructure for the nation by considering applications from government and others for funding at an agreed rate of return.

    As The Scheme says - all income, gifting and fringe benefits on top of that will be viewed as income and taxed accordingly.
    Rae
    2nd Jul 2018
    9:52am
    Why wouldn't My Turnbull donate his pay to charity. If I was a Partner in Goldman Sachs I'd do exactly the same thing. Mr Turnbull is a very wealthy individual.

    Both the LNP and the ALP have made my life much more difficult and caused monetary losses over time.

    The rules I planned my retirement on were changed suddenly and I had no ability to alter anything at that point. Betrayed.

    You learn to do as OG suggests and change with the rules.
    I've almost replaced the income stolen.

    At some point the excessive debt created by policy settings of both Parties will correct and the consequences will be painful. Just don't trust any of them and protect your own is my current position.

    I can actually understand the asset test. Who wants to pay a pension to someone with a holiday house, luxury boat, mobile home and Jag in the garage whose wife is wearing Paspaley pearls to do the shopping.
    Just Cruising
    26th Jun 2018
    12:45pm
    "Male baby boomers would rather retire early than work part time"
    My take on this as a baby boomer is that in my area of finance and accounting unless you are working pretty much full time you get left behind. With new systems and technology ever evolving take 3 months off and come back to work and it is a new ball game.So its either full time work to keep up with changes or retire, there is no half way point. It seems to be the way of the world these days. I recall the coach of the Melbourne Storm rugby league team saying just recently that he could not risk sitting out of coaching for one year as the game is evolving so rapidly. It is not just business but sport as well. We must accept that we live in a fast changing world. I would imagine it may be hard to be a part time brain surgeon or astronomer as examples.
    Old Man
    26th Jun 2018
    12:57pm
    I was made redundant unexpectedly and the industry in which I was employed was doing the same elsewhere. I took whatever work was available and worked in and out of permanent work together with some casual work and some labour hire. I reached a stage where I was working less than a full week but as my partner was full time and the children had left home, I was able to salary sacrifice the maximum amount each pay period. We are not living in the lap of luxury but our lifestyle is, for us, comfortable.

    It's intriguing that an inference has been drawn that "which hints to us that there are men who would rather leave the workforce than take a part-time employment" rather than the reality that the lack of employment for older workers being available and the discrimination by employers against older applicants could also be a factor.
    Sundays
    26th Jun 2018
    2:00pm
    Older men would rather leave than take part time employment. Maybe because that part time work is mostly available in retail and hospitality. Apart from Bunnings, older men are never the first preference for these jobs. In the end, they give up applying.
    Just Cruising
    26th Jun 2018
    2:09pm
    Unfortunately discrimination by employers against older applicants is a major factor. When I was in management at 34 years of age anyone over 50 was "over the hill" now at 68 years it has come back to bight me!!! It is a well entrenched mindset through out workforce in Australia and I cannot see it changing any time soon.Working to 70 in the future is not in step with perception of the majority of employers in the workforce. By employers I mean decision makers under the age of 50 which I am sure would make up the large majority. So yes apart from keeping up with change older me just give up or feel humiliated for even trying.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2018
    2:20pm
    The real reason is because women are given priority over men when it comes to part-time work. It seems inequality only works one way and the rights of men are discarded at every opportunity. No wonder society is in such a mess.
    SKRAPI
    26th Jun 2018
    3:12pm
    i think some believe they have already contributed enough of their life 2 work & they want 2 enjoy their remaining years with family or enjoying their hobbies / travel / whatever& I don't blame them
    Old Geezer
    26th Jun 2018
    3:34pm
    Why work when you can send out the partner instead?
    MD
    26th Jun 2018
    4:07pm
    What! You've still have a partner Geezer ?... Bloody myths, knew I shouldn't trust em, I'd always been happy in the knowledge that Heracles had slain the Hydra.
    Mishenka
    26th Jun 2018
    6:56pm
    Aha Old Geezer, now that's something Raphael would say. You're not his clone are you???
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    9:29am
    Nah.... NAH! S'all lies.. all lies ..just lies put about by his enemies to discredit him...
    TREBOR
    26th Jun 2018
    4:58pm
    On the subject matter - I came here expecting a quick discussion - as usual it has escalated into all sorts of things.

    I'm happy to engage in this kind of discussion, since it always pays to learn the views of others - even if we disagree.

    On the other hand, I confess to be a form of keyboard warrior, because I am really a sensitive soul who loathes personal abuse in discussion etc, and here there is freedom from that, since people writing silly stuff is worthless.... worth the paper it's written on.

    Oh - and that's Men - not males - we are not lab specimens and especially not disposable items at experiments end.
    MD
    26th Jun 2018
    5:03pm
    Hey Man, I'd wager you didn't get the big sliding door fitted either. "People writing silly stuff" proved too much of a distraction ?
    Tomorrow's another day eh.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:26am
    I got most of it in - cut the wall out, put in a lintel strong and true, removed the uprights, and slotted the door in... damn - I forgot we took that door out of the back verandah ages ago and it was set up the other way - now I have to take it down and reverse it and re-insert it. Easy enough - it's only held in by three clamps at the moment.

    Then it's screw it in tight and finish the the trim... then build a ramp to it from the back yard....

    Ah - the things a 69 yo gets up to... that longer boat is sounding good... sailing the seven seas... where is Cat Stevens when you need him?
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:40am
    You have to look at the times I posted - big gap......
    MD
    27th Jun 2018
    11:07am
    Goodo, glad to learn the project came together as expected.

    You might find Cat Stevens aka Yusuf Islam (I think) in the local mosque if the needs demands. Insha Allah.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    12:21pm
    Could never fathom why he turned to I Slam... some serious character defect demanding some form of certainty of belief... I would have thought his certainty of belief was evident in his music and lyrics... somewhat unconventional and 'alternative' - seems that was not what he needed in his inner soul.

    Others might call it a nervous breakdown or a mental collapse....
    MD
    26th Jun 2018
    4:58pm
    "Are you currently employed? Did you retire early? Why? Do you think there are enough opportunities for part-time employment at your age?"

    Q1. Yes and no. On call as and when required, the lady boss and this dog's body enjoy and maintain a mutual respect.
    Q2. No. Finished full time after 50 yrs & at the appropriate age, immediately commenced casual.
    Q3. Perhaps, depends on the individual. Most workplaces have varying expectations, restrictions, targets and limitations that determine efficiency. The greater the degree of limitation for a casual position generally reflects an equally limited uptake,ie, say total 10 hrs/week will suit a few whilst 20 hrs appeals to more.
    People that crow about their past glory days and how much then earned are unlikely to avail themselves of a menial workplace task. Whereas any work and a few dollars return appeals to one person, me included, another may consider it demeaning and below their station.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:29am
    If I'd done medicine or lawyering as I wanted to instead of terrorism etc - I'd be working 'til Doomsday... nobody wants a near 70 yo terrorism expert or deep social commentator with a gift for understanding complex issues... they think I'm too old ......
    MD
    27th Jun 2018
    11:16am
    Silly me... thought for a moment you were referring to someone else. Nothing quite beats self appraisal, it's just getting someone else's validation/confirmation to substantiate our claims.
    Hang in there sunshine, there's hope for you yet.
    Noodles
    29th Jun 2018
    6:19pm
    If people can afford to retire early go for it. There are lots of great ways you can volunteer if you need something to fill in your days and also find it very rewarding.

    Both myself and husband did this for many years and made many wonderful friends and you are free of the stress of "having to work". I have had friends work until late in life and have no retirement to speak of and then are too old too do any travelling or things they had on their bucket list.

    Don't leave it too late to retire.
    old frt
    26th Jun 2018
    7:43pm
    If 60% of females are in the workforce or looking for work and 70% of males are in the workforce or looking for work, would there not be 17 % more males in the workforce and an appropriate 17% more males in management positions yet Bill Short on (the biggest phoney ) wants everywhere to have 50% female representation in every management situation so the poor old male is further disadvantaged again. Has nobody else noticed this unfair situation he is promoting.
    niemakawa
    26th Jun 2018
    8:08pm
    Promotion on merit is a thing of the past. This is a direct result of PC and all the madness that goes with it.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:38am
    Oddly enough, too - I came across figures not that long ago that said that 60% of women and 72% of men would retire with only the Pension....... I'd like you all to consider that for a moment..... in the light of the never-ending propaganda over women's super etc....

    Even if Shorten and his comrades don't understand the term or consider it part of their worldview - they are a form of Communist - the form that believes that equality is about numbers and not equal treatment as individuals.

    That sort of nonsense was thrust upon us in the Commonwealth Public Service in the early 1980's - the salad days of 'equal employment opportunity' - which stated 'preference will be given to women, persons from a non-English speaking background, and Aboriginal and Torres Straits Islanders'. My view, in writing, was that the optimum approach was equal treatment from Day One as designated, which would mean the entire shemozzle would not now exist - The results of this 'equal employment opportunity' are now 70%+ women in the CPS (and other PS), and an increasing % in teaching etc, due to the propaganda campaign against men teachers as 'potential paedophiles' and such.

    Now we have dopey sheila teachers sleeping with their students and everyone saying "Half his luck!" and that's not paedophilia .... double standards, and more than a few lesos and other strange bods 'teaching' new-fangled stuff such as 'gender identity' and 'safe rooms' and such.

    Is this for real? Yup - that's equality for ya - Animal Farm equality
    MD
    27th Jun 2018
    11:28am
    Now now, Trebor, one waywood teacher that succumbed to the wicked ways of the flesh does not a philanderer make - (your) other references equate much less to "Animal Farm equality".
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    12:23pm
    All animals are equal, but women, ethnics and Blacks are more equal?

    Good-O....

    Men teachers were savagely attacked on any flimsy complaint, and many driven out of the profession - now when women commit the real sins of the office - hardly a ripple ensues.....

    Double standard.
    JAID
    27th Jun 2018
    6:31pm
    If you fellas are saying only that merit should be king then I agree whole-heartedly. Other forms of advance are better rooted out and exposed for their objectionable bias.

    This however is no reason to make women feel that they have somehow wronged someone or something or to suggest that they are somehow inferior.

    Neither is it a reason to weaken the male position as whinging about predicament always does. Go forward and make the best of what is available, expect obstruction to give-way to the right solution.
    musicveg
    26th Jun 2018
    8:54pm
    I guess it depends on what job you are doing, some men really need to retire, worn out from hard work.
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    12:24pm
    Some women need to retire before they wear out all the men....

    27th Jun 2018
    7:12am
    Bill Shorten wants to tax employers and drive unemployment through the roof
    What an idiot
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    8:39am
    ... that'll make men retire early .....
    TREBOR
    27th Jun 2018
    12:26pm
    Employers should pay tax on real net income and be proud to do so, same as everyone else. A 30% tax is about right on the average that others pay out of wages and salaries, and company tax is paid in advance and is then malleable due to final return - often leading to a refund.

    Back in the FDR days in the US - company/corporation tax was 50% and they still prospered mightily.
    Noodles
    28th Jun 2018
    9:17am
    Husband was forced into redundancy 27 years ago at 56...which is what happened to a lot of men around that time...you were thought to be pastit. He chose not to work again and has had a great retirement...I might add not at the taxpapers' expense either.
    Reagan
    28th Jun 2018
    1:19pm
    "I might add not at the taxpapers' expense either."

    Did you learn to cook “noodles” 365 ways? Just curious.
    Noodles
    28th Jun 2018
    5:19pm
    Correct...never had one cent of taxpayers money other than discounts from Seniors Card and no, we dont live on noodles.
    Mishenka
    28th Jun 2018
    9:42pm
    A diet of noodles is not so bad Reagan, if you know how to improvise. My Siberian Babushka used to send us kids out each day to collect roots, then she’d cook them with a lot of spices. I particularly loved the thinly sliced parsnips she cooked in black butter. I could eat that all week. As a matter of fact, we did, for many weeks!

    Oops, sorry I’m rambling a bit, back to the topic. Speaking of males retiring early. Depends on your future plans since one size does not fit all. Some people turn into vegetables when they retire too early, but that’s only my own opinion. I don’t intend to retire, but then I have an occupation that I enjoy, it’s like a holiday every day.


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