“We have addressed the challenges of ageing”: Scott Morrison

Scott Morrison believes the Government has addressed the challenges of ageing.

“We have addressed the challenges of ageing”: Scott Morrison

“We have addressed the challenges of ageing” was the bold statement made by Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison speaking at a Council on the Ageing (COTA) event last week.

Mr Morrison was talking about how the Government is dealing with the challenges of an ageing population on spending, support and the overall economic impact on Australia.

He claims that dealing with an ageing population has been a “key part” of the Government’s plan, and that a targeted migration program, incentives to work longer and the removal of tax barriers will help to soften the economic blow created by an older population.

Mr Morrison said that the nation becoming older shouldn’t be seen as a curse and claimed that with careful planning, ageing would not become an “economic drag”.

“An ageing population means Australians are living longer and healthier lives. I don’t know about you, but I think that’s a pretty good thing. When we talk about ageing sometimes, you would think that when you hear from public policy makers or bureaucrats or economic commentators that it is some sort of economic curse that people are living longer and healthier,” he said.

“As part of this year’s plan for a stronger economy we have addressed the challenges of ageing on our economy more broadly.

“It involves ensuring that choice and opportunity, and the ability for all Australians to build their aspirations for a longer and healthier life – engaged, informed and empowered – all of these are realised.”

The Treasurer said Australia’s targeted migration program has boosted the nation’s work participation rate and “slowed the impact of ageing on our economy, allowing the economy and society time to adjust and provision for a [time] when fewer people are working and delivering income tax revenue, but increasingly drawing on government services”.

“We have a strong economy and the plans we are putting in place for an even stronger economy are being realised,” said Mr Morrison.

“That is the guarantee that underwrites; whether it is on aged care, on welfare, on pensions, on disability services, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme – all of these things. Unless you have a stronger economy, any commitment in that area, any empathy in that area, any passion that might be proclaimed in that area cannot be relied upon unless you have such a plan to ensure the economy continues to grow and underwrite all of these things that Australians rely on.”

He also claims that the budget will provide funds to help older Australians stay in or get back into the workplace.

“While there are some age-based limitations within worker’s compensation schemes, this is not universal. Employers should also know that we are reviewing these limitations because employment frameworks need to facilitate employment, not impede it,” said Mr Morrison.

He pointed out that the increase in the Pension Work Bonus and the expansion of the Pension Loans Scheme would allow older Australians to work longer without suffering significant tax impacts.

Mr Morrison also said that “aspiration has no age limit. That’s what we believe”.

“Aspiration doesn’t grind to a halt when you hit 65. It is not the exclusive domain of younger generations, eyes wide open, world at their feet,” he said.

“Choice and opportunity should also not retire. We will continue to enliven and encourage people to realise their aspirations at whatever age they may be.”

Read more the full transcript of Scott Morrison's speech

Do you think the Government has addressed the challenges of ageing? If not, how do you think it could do better? Is this a big call?

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    tisme
    30th Jul 2018
    10:12am
    become a drag ??? I have cared for 4 adult relatives all at the same time no support , the government paid me 3.50 an hour to do it. I am still caring for one. age care is a nightmare, lengthy waiting lists the paper chase for support. I find myself becoming disabled there is no bigger drag on Australia than its politicians put them on basic wage etc and see what could be done
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:07am
    Know the feeling - I'm a carer and retired etc... hardly an easy gig.

    Stuff Morrison.... how in the hell does an electorate ever vote for such a total buffoon whose only virtue is uttering empty, hysterical, half-baked, aggressive and insulting nonsense?

    And why in god's name do we pay this d1ck handsomely to make such stupid comments in public? Maybe he should have learned from Fat Joe and kept his ridiculous ideological comments to a small and very close tight party room....
    KB
    30th Jul 2018
    1:09pm
    I cared for2 relatives. Was not paid to do it. One needed respite care but brought home die to no places. Being a care takes up all your physical and mental resources let alone free time . Carers are not recognized by the government particularly older people, Know the feeling well tisme
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    4:09pm
    Perhaps someone ought to tell him that if corrupt politicians hadn't taken the working Australians super there would be no economic drag and possibly no pensioners living below the poverty line.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    12:39am
    I doubt he's experienced enough in government to know that simple reality, Triss. He thinks that the BS he's fed from Party Central is reality.... in other arenas it's called Psychosis.
    pedro the swift
    30th Jul 2018
    10:13am
    Ha Ha ha! That will go down in our political history along with "No child will live in poverty".
    Although he could be right in a backward way. "addressing the challenges of ageing" doesn't mean is going to be better, just means the gov will no longer help you to live longer or in better circumstances.
    Cut pensions, reduce medical aid, make housing and general living more expensive for the elderly and generally make it a misery to continue. Challenge addressed!
    Morrison, you are an a-hole.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    7:15pm
    Absolutely agree, this moron lives on another planet!
    The past tense in his statement "We have addressed the challenges of ageing" shows he thinks the job's done! Especially after he and his Liberal Govt have attacked the aged as you have noted and made things worse.

    He MUST be thrown out and consigned on the scrap heap by voters in his electorate if they have any sense.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    12:40am
    Those voters down there in The Shire - and I know some - must be hanging their heads in shame ..... and wondering what they did to this nation and their grandmothers and grandfathers.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    10:45am
    Don't expect any better under a Labor Government. I expect the house to be included in assets test and people will have an pension they receive deducted from their estate.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:09am
    Those are Liberal thought-bubbles, OG - as you well know.... but I still wouldn't trust Labor not to introduce them./

    Been telling yez since forever - boost the lot into orbit without an oxygen tank and the nation will be so much better off.

    What can we expect from Labor? An over-focus on 'women's rithts', gay 'rights', ethnic 'rights', and Indigenous 'rights - all of which include 'rights' that nobody else possesses - and none of which is a right in any real sense, since in OUR democratic nation, everyone has the same theoretical rights.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:15am
    TREBOR - if Labor would include 'pension rights' with all the other 'rights' they would romp in next year. Guaranteed.
    clarkey
    30th Jul 2018
    11:30am
    OG I believe you are stating ideology that was born in the thieving lnp years ago. I think you need to do more research.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:30am
    Umm - and adequate protection for the smaller SMF retiree - they're in the optical sights too.... from both sides it seems from what I read here.

    The Big Boys, of course, simply skate above all this with their endless tax dodges etc... I'd like to see a rundown on politician pay/tax return and how much they end up actually paying in tax out of their top rate tax bracket.... you can bet most of their income is lodged in tax avoidance schemes... one way or another - they live off the fattest in the land (comment courtesy of a WW II Digger contending with wharf strikes) while effectively doing nothing, and living off their perks first and foremost - non-taxed of course.

    Where else could you cop a salary package of $2.5m or so for uttering the kind of stand-up comedy routine that the likes of Morrison excell in?
    Hasbeen
    30th Jul 2018
    12:18pm
    The one that worries me is that with a Labor government we will see a return of boat people's rights, & an explosion of illegals flooding our housing & welfare system.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    1:33pm
    Hasbeen, get off the boat people thing, it is nothing compared to the 200,000 LEGAL immigrants coming in per year.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    2:10pm
    Yes - it is the mix of immigration that is making all the difference to this nation.... let's face it - none of us want to emigrate 'there' - and in order to maintain our standards and culture, we need to be attracting like, not opposite.

    For the unknowing here - let me reiterate - I hold nothing against individuals and take people as they come - I take exception to planned policies of disruptions and disintegration of this nation.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    3:54pm
    As I have only a small amount of my wealth in super I am not too concerned about it's future as I will just withdraw it and invest it myself.
    GrayComputing
    30th Jul 2018
    8:08pm
    It is time for all of us (that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

    Does your MP really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

    This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

    Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?

    Some opposition and independent MPs stand to lose their chance at being part of the needed government changes

    We all need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

    Also contact opposition and independent MPs (today) who could help us to get a fair deal on pensions

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    floss
    30th Jul 2018
    10:48am
    So our new arrivals don't get old ,must be the curry. Perhaps the whole problem started long ago when the government set us on a course of forced population growth.Do we really need more people in Australia with climate change and drought all ready on its way.More people more aged people simple.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:10am
    No - we do not need more people - and specifically we do not need more people who are anathema to this nation and its culture and its ethos - those things that once were before politicians got their filthy hands on them.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:36am
    I remain struck by the Mark Latham TV article (or whatever it is) outside Fairfield Social security office - countless Offshoreites came and went, many not speaking English... to collect their 'fortnightly pay' - better to cop social security than live on trading camel dung for fire and cooking.... or struggling with stones and weeds in a tiny plot not able to feed a wandering field mouse... back in the Old country so beloved of their folklore...

    On the other hand, gave away some foam insulation from a freezer warehouse yesterday - guy who took it was from Iran and the nicest man you could meet. He brought a gift in exchange for this free ad foam - a nice pumpkin and some nice passionfruit. Part of the culture - you give gift - I give gift.

    Nice man and nice wife.
    Pisces
    30th Jul 2018
    12:03pm
    Surprise surprise you start ageing from the day you are born. Wonder what happened to our 'special' pension fund that us tax paying peasants have put our dollars into for years. You know the one that was set aside strictly for pensions - oh that's right the oxygen thieving pollies have used it as general revenue. Thanks for nothing
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    12:12pm
    It were... mislaid, Pisces.... more important social issues came up that required your money - be happy that you sacrificed for the common good... as John Howard said about the civilian deaths in desert Storm so long ago - they died in a good cause.... the media buried that one fast....

    I guess you need to be quick with the recorder, since now everyone you mention this to says it didn't happen.... but I know what I saw and heard, same as the airman parachuting to the ground during Desert Storm's first night.. when no Allied aircraft were lost, but somehow one US Navy Commander in an F/A-18 was shot down and is still listed as missing....
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    1:34pm
    Need to get rid of the baby bonus, it is encouraging too much population growth etc.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    2:10pm
    Baby bonus is a form of welfare that is overlooked when pillorying 'welfare' and trying to include Pension and Unemployment Insurance rights...
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    4:48pm
    Yes musicveg - also put an extra tax on formula like they do on booze and cigarettes, that will teach them, hahaha.
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:10pm
    Pisces. Perhaps there should be a Royal Commission on corruption in parliament because, in most people's opinion, taking the super from its rightful owners all those years ago is corruption and the Turnbull government is still at it. This time he and his mates have syphoned off more than $2 billion in inactive superannuation accounts from the accounts of millions of Australian workers who seem to work just to provide a personal piggy bank for the government of the day to dip into whenever they feel like it.
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    8:43am
    There should not be a baby bonus to encourage Parents to get back into work rather than stay at home and bring up their own Kids rather than have them dragged up by some "child care" where they get brainwashed even sooner than the starting age at school.
    If you choose to have a Child then stay at home and look after it -- or DON'T have them!
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    10:24am
    Childcare subsidies are another form of REAL welfare that is overlooked in any discussion of libeling Pensions and Unemployment Insurance as some sort of handout... apparently such things as Baby Bonus and childcare and such are not 'welfare' - but all us old bludgers and dole bludgers are copping a free ride via handout, so goes the official line.

    Utter bulldust, and I've long said that the entire range of what actually constitutes welfare - that plan/program for ensuring basics - needs to be looked at - not pieces in isolation according to ideology.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    10:25am
    AND if there are economic woes, the entire range of government spending needs a proper and impartial look - not some ridiculous 'commission of audit' filled with old mates on a good earner.

    Plenty of fat without chewing at social security bought and paid for.
    pedro the swift
    30th Jul 2018
    10:59am
    Not expecting much better under any gov. while we Aussies are under the thumb of big business and kowtow to overseas interests. Aussies have been grovelling to these since colonial days and no gov. has had the "balls' to whats in our best interest. I always find it amusing to see how many pollies end up on company boards after they leave. Just playing "The Game of Mates" to feather their nests.
    clarkey
    30th Jul 2018
    11:32am
    Pretty much spot on pedro!
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:44am
    It's appalling when those vested with the protection and nurturing of this nation are among the Forty Thieves taking its candy......

    Politicians retire for life with their 'super' - they have no need for another 'job' (they do since the rules were changed - though not far enough) - and especially with a firm that has a vested interest in dealing with government.

    The reason they were granted their amazing 'super' scheme was that they forfeited so much opportunity elsewhere to serve the nation (LMFAO) - so nowadays it should become the instant rule that if they take up another position after politics - their super is reduced to the same system as the ordinary person.
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:14pm
    The reason they were granted their amazing 'super' scheme, Trebor, was that a Corruption Club of politicians went into a private huddle and granted it to themselves.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    5:55pm
    Yes - it's only Other People's Money so no direct cost to them.....
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    7:39pm
    Glad that the Downer girl lost on the weekend - after all, Father Leech has already milked the taxpayers with both Poliies perks and a high-paid High Commissioner job in London, without have done f...all for this country.

    It is up to all Australians, especially Older Australians to ensure all the current seat-warmer leeches are routinely thrown out (by putting them last in preferences) in every election - till they learn that they are there to serve the PEOPLE not feather their own nests.

    Also, where's that long-overdue Federal ICAC (no politician should be allowed to take up a job at least for 10 years in an area where he / she could have benefitted a private company while in Govt)?
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    12:43am
    Exactly my views, George.
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    8:44am
    Yes getting another job-- well paid -- AND getting their Pension and perks as well -- AND they don't have to wait till 70 either

    30th Jul 2018
    11:04am
    Morrison reckons that Baby Boomers are 'an economic drag'?

    What the hell does he imagine he is??
    Anne Ozzie
    30th Jul 2018
    12:10pm
    Trebor Are you listening to yourself? You virtually repeat the tripe from Abbott and Howard who are racist jerks and who perpetuate the hate lie that the culture of other races is toxic and Dutton's lie that was actually denied by the Victorian Police that there are Ethiopian gangs in Melbourne.

    Then you comment on a very nice social transaction you had with an Iranian immigrant!

    Why do you believe the lies of fascist politicians and deny the evidence of your own eyes?
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    12:16pm
    You sound very confused, Anne. I have zero issue with individuals - I have serious issue with policies that introduce bunches of people anathema to this nation etc... and FYI - Abbott and Howard are among the prime movers over bringing in masses of third worlders as a means of bringing down overall incomes and conditions for all the peasants, so how do you see that I'm agreeing with them?

    Methinks, for a newcomer, you need to look very carefully at my countless past comments.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    3:18pm
    Anne Ozzie - TREBOR is spot on! Might not be Ethiopian gangs in Melbourne but do YOU know the difference between Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea and the rest. I worked and lived for more than 8 years in different parts of Africa and I certainly do not like importing their culture into Aussie.
    Fraser started the love in with the "oppressed masses of Africa" and was instrumental getting that dreaded Mugabe into power with the connivance of the Commonwealth. Tell them, Trebor.
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:27pm
    Ozzie Anne, I don't believe that telling what is actually happening is racism. We have been conditioned by the media, government and bleeding hearts that anything we say about another culture which may be true but is not absolutely complimentary is racism.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    12:54am
    And Anne.. I was in the position of offering advice to Iranians on how to very discreetly seek refugee status (pending review and approval - but the rules are that anyone seeking asylum gets fair consideration on facts).... I understand full well what this man and his wife are happy for in Australia.... and what they are happy to have avoided in Iran.

    I was talking about immigration mix - not refugees - and anyone who's read what I've written year after year here and elsewhere knows that I am one of the most ardent supporters of refugees and asylum seekers, and have opposed the current handling of boat people up to and including piracy on the high seas by the Royal Australian Navy.

    That last is the cause of a lot of very real issues for serving and recently separated Naval personnel...

    Again - I oppose the policies of both sides in bringing into this nation large groups which are anathema to our way of life and who are intended as the 'cannon fodder' by our ruling parties to lower OUR lifestyle, income level, and conditions.

    You do realise that a Sri Lankan thinks that $100 a week AU is riches, don't you? And that living in poverty-stricken conditions to attain it is 'normal'?

    If you've ever traveled in the 'third world', in which many of the people are wonderful, BTW, you will realise that $10 a day is a fortune, and a $5 tip to a cabbie is half a day's pay.

    Those are NOT the standards we have here - and they are simply unlivable here under out costs of living.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    12:57am
    (finish)... and no politician or party has any right to impose such values on us - let alone a fat self-serving heiress who inherited billions for doing nothing and thinks therefore that her shot doesn't stink and she can dictate to people how much they will be paid. (let her move to Africa then and pay $2 a day there - or she can learn to keep her stupid mouth shut here)....
    patti
    30th Jul 2018
    11:06am
    After a life spent caring for others and working full-time, at 74 not interested in being in the workforce the way it operates now. And who would give me a job anyway - ageism is rampant. Have to wait months for some aged care help, while I have a couple of surgeries coming up. Hard to survive on the Age pension. Friends dying or moving away....would be easy to become very depressed, but I work hard at living a full life, despite limitations.
    MICK
    30th Jul 2018
    11:10am
    The next load of propaganda from the Goebbels of the current government.
    Morrison's way of addressing ageing is to kick Australians off the pension they deserve and con them into selling their family homes and living off the proceeds.
    Whilst I normally vote Independent this time will have to be different as I wish to see the cancer which currently has the hide to call itself a government gone.

    No mention about this government's thrashing on super Saturday but this is a precursor to what is coming. Not even the blatant promotional propaganda on the 'News' stopped this and that tells a compelling story.
    The (rich) crooks in suits can talk all the 'economy' con they like but voters have cottoned on to the fact they are being skinned and will use the ballot box to deliver the verdict. Bring on the election Turnbull. You can run but you can't hide!
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    2:29pm
    It was hardly a thrashing Mick. The rusted on's in the labor heartland continue to beleive Shorten's lies. Good luck to them. They get the pollies they deserve
    Jim
    30th Jul 2018
    4:43pm
    What would your bosses say if they new you were pushing this independent vote, come on Mick or whoever you really are, have you ever voted anything but Labor, it was on a few weeks ago that you were singing the praises of Whitlam, probably the worst Prime minister we have ever seen, and I voted for him, I also voted for Hawkie and Keating probably the best two we have ever had, but you wouldn’t have voted for them because you vote Independent, as if!
    Rae
    31st Jul 2018
    8:00am
    Jim, I believe Fraser was worse.

    If Fraser had not stolen the Welfare Fund there would be trillions in it now. We would have been adding 7.5% all our working lives and there would be no need for privatisations or Superannuation or any of the stupidity that is going on.

    Whitlam was going to borrow $4 billion to nationalise the mines, gas fields and uranium but Fraser did nothing but steal our future away.
    This Government is giving $65 billion to foreign corporations who now own our mines, gas fields and uranium.

    Hawke and Keating were men's men but while they controlled wages they missed prices completely.
    Rae
    31st Jul 2018
    8:00am
    Jim, I believe Fraser was worse.

    If Fraser had not stolen the Welfare Fund there would be trillions in it now. We would have been adding 7.5% all our working lives and there would be no need for privatisations or Superannuation or any of the stupidity that is going on.

    Whitlam was going to borrow $4 billion to nationalise the mines, gas fields and uranium but Fraser did nothing but steal our future away.
    This Government is giving $65 billion to foreign corporations who now own our mines, gas fields and uranium.

    Hawke and Keating were men's men but while they controlled wages they missed prices completely.
    Wstaton
    31st Jul 2018
    1:25pm
    olbaid, I gues there are no rusted on's in the liberal heartland getting conned by some of the liberal lies. Mind you some of them weren't conned by LNP rhetoric in Longman where the LNP first preference votes dropped by 9.5%
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    7:51pm
    Remember that when the social security system was set up, Menzies said basic contribution plus levies on other tax as required... had this fund been left alone and untouched by grasping political hands, it WOULD indeed be worth trillions.

    If it had been floated as a national superannuation scheme and made investments, it would definitely be worth trillions, and with the inclusion of the stolen $130Bn Future fund, would be a very valuable asset to stand in its own right, relieving the government of social security requirements.

    All the bulldust they are throwing into the wind about pensions and such is just that - bulldust and nothing more - they forked it - they fix it!

    They can find their savings somewhere else - out of a few of the fat jobs they hand to their mates willy-nilly and from the unpaid taxes of those foreign corporations (with which many of them will receive 'jobs' when they 'retire' from politics).

    (tried to post that earlier - but the internet has been down since 11 am....)
    Razor
    30th Jul 2018
    11:18am
    That's great dickhead, no address the problem of imbeciles such as yourself running the country.
    clarkey
    30th Jul 2018
    11:23am
    I cannot understand how morriscum can think that we are a drag on the economy! The meagre pension does not cover costs completely! So we spend all that we get, not by desire but by the need to eat and stay warm and keep a roof over our head. So all of the meagre pension goes back into the economy pretty much straight away. You cannot put aspirations into the oven and make a meal out of them! The drag on the economy is the pathetic policies of the thieving useless lnp and the non tax paying elite at the top of the heap. Now we get murdoch telling the government that the ABC is ruining his business. Poor rupey not making the billions he is so used to, so when will he get another free $30 mill to wipe away his tears. Learn something from the by elections last weekend you fool! You hurt the workers, welfare recipients and the pensioners you will suffer at the polling booths come the next election. Stop taking the population for fools! You are dealing with baby boomers who are experienced with protesting and changing governments pretty quickly! Baby boomers are not the fools your ideological Nazi party think we are!
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    11:50am
    Someone coined the phrase 'economic illiterate' to cover the Morrison' of this world... he obviously has no idea that when a pensioner is paid $887 a fortnight and then spends $887 a fortnight back into the economy - the net 'cost' is only in the administration costs, since the $887 i recouped back via the 'cycle of taxation' with the expnditure of each dollar.

    I've said it before - the only 'black holes' in the 'cycle of taxation' are in 'deadstock' such as housing hoarding, offshoring money by the rich and corporations, and even offshore spending and other kinds of hoarding by those with discretionary income - all of which create a net tax loss to this nation.

    The tiny punter, on the other hand, without discretionary income to spend on lavish offshore holidays, offshore purchases,tax havens, and serial hoarding ventures - returns 100% of income into the tax cycle.

    Morrison is an idiot - pure and simple - an empty vessel echoing the party line.

    Why does anyone vote for him?

    (word for today:-

    oofshoring:- the feeling you get in your gut when you realise how much offshoring is costing this nation and its people)...
    Ted Wards
    30th Jul 2018
    11:57am
    They have not yet even begun to address the needs of older workers. For instance, I am actively deciding to take a health focus and am eating healthy, exercising regularly, going to the gym and so on so that I can stay healthy and not need to go to the doctors and have been doing this since I was 15. But do I get any tax rebates on the gym fees, the supplements and everything else including the fact that I rarely go to the doctors or have any tests but still have to help pay for the system I don't need to use? How about they start looking at rewarding people who are in their 40s and 50s, 60s and actively pursuing wellness and giving them tax rebates because we are improving our health, ensuring we can continue to work and pay taxes long into the future and start penalising those who do nothing and will eventually end up costing tax payers more?
    Theres also a raft of measures that need to be implemented about getting rid of the 8 hour days, shorter days, job sharing and so on which will act as enables for older people to continue to work in some areas. Obviously construction and other physical jobs may not be possible for older people to continue in those jobs but could they be swapped to management or training roles to keep the knowledge and the experience but give younger workers more jobs. Ageing is not an issue, but the attitude of the population towards ageing is a problem. Ironic really when you realise that everyone ages from birth.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    1:42pm
    I feel the same Ted Wards, I spend a lot of time researching and tending to my health, eating a wholefood plant based diet, exercising and keeping my mind active, I never go to a doctor, I am saving the Government heaps of money.
    I agree too that we need shorter working days, so many people would opt for it if given the chance for little less pay and that would create more work, but then we are risking people being stuck in part-time jobs or temporary jobs with no leave or other entitlements.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    3:56pm
    I agree as I too look after myself and aging is not a problem to me at all.
    sunnyOz
    30th Jul 2018
    12:00pm
    “We have addressed the challenges of ageing” says Scott Morrison. What absolute BULL!! Let me rephrase that - “We have addressed the challenges of ageing for politicians over the age of 40”, says Scott Morrison. This government, and also Labor, could not give a rats about the elderly. It's bad enough now - and will be worse if Shorten and his cohorts get in. When are they bringing in voluntary euthanasia, no questions asked?
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    5:59pm
    Yes - they addressed it by saying 'Hello', and then saying "Good-Bye!"
    Rocky2
    30th Jul 2018
    12:03pm
    Our politicians have a limited knowledge of Baby boomers work history to the introduction of Industry Superfunds , most who are retired today missed out on building a Super retirement fund, as in my case super came into my working life 25 years after I started work ,with no support from the government while raising our children and paying our mortgage there was never the extra funds available to add to our super, so now we are relying on the Government for support in our latter years . I started work when there was a National welfare fund with a Compulsory levy of 7.5% included in the tax collected, until our government got its hands on the balance and spent the lot, of the fund that in 1950 was almost 100 Million Pounds. So now it’s the ageing population that is a drain on the miss management by the Politicians both LNP & ALP of the national welfare fund that was in place before superfunds.
    clarkey
    31st Jul 2018
    10:21am
    And many of the people who were in a super fund were getting it gouged by the mongrels running it! Many were in negative money earned for years because they were getting ripped off by fees.
    Baby Huey
    30th Jul 2018
    12:10pm
    Moronson is at it again. His arrogant comments about retirees both pensioners and self-funded being a economic drag is an echo of his mentor fat Joe Hockey. One has to wonder if his parents were married or, in fact, he even had parents.
    This government is shifting deck chairs hoping the ship of state will not sink to make the appearance older Australians are going to be better off in the future. They are simply doing 2/3 of 5/8 of SFA to help older Australians.
    Labor will do nothing different either. They will probably let the likes of a Wayne Swine steer the "unsinkable" ship filled with retirees straight into the iceberg.
    One only has to recall the "Yes Minister" episode where the minister visited a new hospital. The hospital manager told the minister the hospital is running really well. The minister said there were no patients. The manager said "Of course, the hospital runs better without patients."
    This seems to be the attitude of both parties: Australia will be a better place without older Australians or retirees.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    12:18pm
    I stand corrected - you got the spelling of his name right - I was wrong to use 'Morrison'....
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    12:21pm
    Yes - Yes Prime Minister should be replayed on national TV. Haven't seen that episode, BTW.

    Reminds me of a comment in my partial auto-bio about a company I used to work with - I said that the view of management was that the whole thing would work ever so much better without those pesky sub-contractors and clients... if they could just be left alone to run their own show, all would be rosy!
    PlanB
    30th Jul 2018
    12:17pm
    I too have cared for 4 people saving the government a heap of money -- not that I minded, in fact, I know that these people got a darn sight better care from me than they would have otherwise!
    What the f---- hell would this supercilious parisite know at the age of 50 with all his salary what it is like to exist on a persons disability --or sick benefits plus a carers pension which was at the time $20 a week AND you lost that when the persons went to hospital till they returned home EVEN though I was at their bedsides 18 hours every day.

    Every time I see his superior elitist attitude he makes me SICK!
    Young Chriso from
    30th Jul 2018
    12:32pm
    Maybe Scumo could end parliamentary superannuation and all the other taxpayer funded goods and services enjoyed by former politicians of all persuasion and use the money saved to restore the part pensioners who have been wilfully and negligently disenfranchised since January 1st 2017? Then again, now he’s screwed retirees he’ll go after them unconsionable dole bludgers.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    1:45pm
    Everyone is a bludger in his eyes, except him and his elitist mates who bludge all they can accepting hand outs of free perks etc.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    7:28pm
    He has also arranged a $7,000 tax cut for himself and his parliamentary mates - that's why he thinks his job's done now!
    Hopefully, he QUITS or is THROWN OUT, as he has nothing more to do for Older Australians.
    ace
    30th Jul 2018
    12:37pm
    ScoMo OR SCUMO ? I can't believe how anyone can vote for this Man , He is just a bully & I have yet to see or read anything he has done or said that makes sense ! I Guess he had a hold on Turnbull to get his Job ,what other reason could there Be ? He is definitely of the Abbot school of do what your told ! He thinks he is still in 'You don't need to know' mode from the Boat days "
    KSS
    30th Jul 2018
    1:03pm
    "While there are some age-based limitations within worker’s compensation schemes, this is not universal. Employers should also know that we are reviewing these limitations because employment frameworks need to facilitate employment, not impede it,” said Mr Morrison.

    Well when he's sorted workers comp, perhaps he can look at income protection for the over 60s in work and too young to retire next!

    See here from 2012!
    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/working-past-our-60s-reforming-laws-and-policies-2012#Heading163
    Rae
    30th Jul 2018
    1:52pm
    I wish this Government would review their limitations but I fear it would take far too long.
    floss
    30th Jul 2018
    1:11pm
    Go Mick and Trebor , a little humour and a lot of truth.A long last older people are waking to the fact that C.LINK and this excuse for a government is set to fail.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:02am
    Thank you, Ma'am - just part of the service....
    Kathleen
    30th Jul 2018
    1:38pm
    People will work as long as they wish or are able. No need to mandate it!
    There are some comments that wreak of a white Australia policy which is sad.
    It is a global world and we have as much responsibility to a child starving and hurt in war torn Syria as we have to the farmer needing water and food for his animals.
    On Facebook there are a few ‘go fund me’ plans up to help farmers needing cash for food for their animals. People have rallied.
    The government should be doing more though!
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    2:19pm
    It's amazing how many fodder delivery owner/drivers run fodder for free in this kind of situation... not a cheap run, either with the price of fuel and maintenance these days.

    I suppose some think it's too 'socialist' to support your own people in need, and criticise the idea that government should assist.
    Kathleen
    30th Jul 2018
    3:42pm
    You support need here and overseas. The amount of money wasted by governments would be ample to help across the board. This government even took away meagre funding to charities which amounted to very little but meant a lot to them like petrol for the truck that delivered food to the homeless.
    I cannot bear the sight of the little children in Syria who are suffering and the little ones on Nauru or the Rohingas fleeing persecution. How can you differentiate? Suffering is suffering especially where innocent children are involved.
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:49pm
    I agree up to a point, Kathleen, but I don't agree that we have a responsibility to feed hungry children in Syria, etc. Those countries have their own governments and they should be feeding their own. As long as countries like ours shovel money and charity into third world countries the longer their own government will sit back and watch.
    Help in the way of policies and advice would be better. Developing nations don't need our money they need to develop their own strong leadership.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    6:05pm
    Sadly, Kathleen - there are nations where no amount of help will actually help - and we, as a nation, are not currently in the position some fancy us of being in - that of an extremely rich mega-benefactor to all.

    Also, much of aid money goes into the pockets of the ruling elite there or the local warlords - SS-DD - or is sucked up in 'administrative costs' and fat salaries etc for those who run the aid programs.

    Michael Marin's 'Road To Hell' is a good book to read in this context. the more we feed, the more they breed and soon out-breed their resources - again. On top of that, I've begun advocating Lifeboat Australia with its limited number of places - we simply cannot continue to absorb the wretched, the poor, the down-trodden millions who cannot even learn what yearning to be free is - but must first ensure the position of our own before we can shore up the rest.

    If we go down - they all go down.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    6:07pm
    In the final over-population catastrophe - only the few will survive... I'd rather it be mine..... sorry 'bout that.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    9:31pm
    Triss: Syria was never a third world country, it was once a thriving country with peace, it was decimated by their own Government and from International Governments, nothing to do with the actual people that were living there, they are all innocent victims of war created for what? Feed the arms race? Feed the pockets of who?
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    10:06pm
    Hmm. Sorry, Musicveg, my comment was not as clear as it should have been. Second paragraph was about third world countries.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:11am
    ... as the Genie said - "Let's get back to that Middle East question" ....

    Bill Clinton is walking along a beach and kicks something in the sand - he picks it up and gives it a rub , and out pops a genie....

    "OK", says the genie, "you know the deal - three wishes!"

    "Ohhh - I want to be elected for a second term!"

    "Done, O Master! Your second wish?"

    "Make me rich and highly regarded as a liberal-minded person!"

    "Done! Your third .. and final.. wish?"

    "I'd lie to see the Middle East situation resolved!"

    The Genie shakes his head...

    "Oh, I dunno - that's a pretty hard call.... try something else!"

    "Can you make Hillary beautiful and acceptable to the electorate?"

    The genie thinks for a very long time, then says:-

    "Ummmmmm - can we get back to that Middle East question?"
    Rae
    31st Jul 2018
    8:08am
    You had best stop watching Kathleen if you can't bear it.

    If this drought gets worse I'm not looking forward to shooting dying animals day after day to ease their misery and nothing will stop the hundreds of millions of starving children from dying if both hemisphere crops fail.

    Bringing 8.9or 10 kids a mother into a resource depleted world was insane.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    7:50pm
    Unfortunately it is inevitable that many will die.... I'd just like to ensure that it's not mine that die as part of that number - so they - all of them on both 'sides' - can stick their global one-world economy and socialist brotherhood and equality for all even if it kills us.

    Imagine a future in which those nation reliant on imports for their burgeoning population - such as the United Kingdom - are suddenly cut off..... it will be worse than the Irish Potato Famine - with empty villages and bodies lying in the roads.

    Japan, on the other hand, in a similar situation as evidenced by the effectiveness of the US submarine campaign in WW II, does not permit mass immigration....... and will survive much better than Britain.

    There is a limit to the folly of accepting everyone with open arms as post-modernism demands of us all... and while many may believe in equal rights for all - many of those thus imported do not even begin to understand anything beyond the rule of force and violence, and thus consider that anyone they disagree with or choose as victim has no rights....

    Damn - sounds like our government....... with their 'no right to personal property' and such nonsense.

    Bring on the guillotines.... and make 'em good ones...
    Kathleen
    1st Aug 2018
    9:46am
    Syria has caused the hardship so why would they help?
    More and more war machines are being built. That money should be spent on feeding the world and lifting the living levels across the globe which eventually benefits all.
    We move around the world even calling some places home so we are a global world and nations need to stop being so nationistic and care for humans wherever they may be!
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    1:48pm
    "addressed" more like "dressed" to make it sound like they are doing something good, not. People are living longer but not healthier.And if pensioners and other low income people have to keep living under the poverty line then there will be even more sick aging people.

    30th Jul 2018
    2:25pm
    A strong economy and the upcoming surplus budget while paying off labor debt will create more opportunities for all Australians including those wanting to work in the sixties and seventies
    Kathleen
    30th Jul 2018
    3:44pm
    What? Really? Deluded much lol! Check how well they are doing so far!
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    5:18pm
    Agree our economy is dog very well thanks to the good management by the LNP government. Stupid people will vote in Labor and wonder what happened.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    5:36pm
    Kathleen - the numbers speak for themselves

    Decades of economic growth under LNP. History of paying off labor debt and giving us budget surpluses

    Unemployment at 5% - meaning full employment
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:53pm
    Giving us budget surpluses by selling off our assets, usually at below market prices. Forgive me if I don't vote for them at the next election.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    6:11pm
    Is that because this LNP mob can't get all their 'economy-fixing moves' through that nasty senate - or is it really because they are managing so well by blaming Labor for all THEIR problems?

    Sorry, lads, nobody believes that line any more....

    Economic growth where? In a few select 'service industries' that evade tax like it's going out of style and with a workforce reduced increasingly to part-time casual contracted on lower rates of pay and conditions.

    Jobsun Growthe - in Asia. Floods of money - to the Caymans.

    Now what I'd call 'economic growth' - economic growth in Australia has been stagnant for years.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    8:05pm
    For the ten thousandth time - a 'budget surplus' is NOT cash in the bank - it is just fiddling the books and the end result never turns out as it was ESTIMATED in a budget....
    P$cript
    1st Aug 2018
    10:44am
    So the LNP is only interested in paying off the smaller part of the debt. So that means the Labor party is required to repair the bigger mess the LNP has made. Labor's debt was created during a worldwide economy downturn, while the LNP created their part of the debt while the rest of the world was recovering. You can only imagine what the debt would be if we haven't benefited from the rest of the world recovering.
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    11:00am
    One can only wonder how many times higher our debt would be if Labor was still in power. At least 5 times but I'd be betting on a ten bagger on that one.
    rtrish
    30th Jul 2018
    2:37pm
    How rude, that Morrison is even thinking of older people as an “economic drag”. He’s scratching around for ways to prevent that, but you can be sure it won’t end well for older people. He wants us to be “aspirational, i.e. work longer. I don’t want anything to do with him. If the LNP didn’t learn anything from the by-elections (and it seems Morrison didn’t learn anything), we shall have to teach them at the next general election.
    Kathleen
    30th Jul 2018
    3:44pm
    Spot on!
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    3:58pm
    You don't have to work longer at all if you have enough resources to look after yourself. However he is right if people are relying on welfare like the OAP then yes they should be working until they are 70 as they are a real drain or economic drag on us taxpayers.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    4:44pm
    OG - just let it lie with your gripe about Age Pension being welfare. Just be happy you do not need it. May your epitaph be "He Never was on Welfare" down in Rookwood.
    Some of us are OAPs and some are SFRs and with a bit of luck we last another 20 years. I do not up to you and you should not look down at me.
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    5:55pm
    If that's the case, OG, then Morrison and his cronies who are the biggest drag on the economy should be woirking until they're ninety.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    6:12pm
    one hundred...... make that a hundred and ten...
    Triss
    30th Jul 2018
    6:13pm
    OG, OAPs are taxpayers as well, they will pay GST...which is a tax. Tax on petrol, stamp duty if they move house, motor vehicle tax. You're always on about OAPs playing they pokies well there is a gambling tax as well. Local government tax. Time to reduce that chip on your shoulder, just because you pay income tax does not mean you are carrying the whole of Australia.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:13am
    OG 'minimises' more tax than he pays... so he says,... he knows every trick in the book.... JAH... (Just Ask Him)....
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:15am
    ... and a poor pensioner or Unemployment Insurance recipient can't even get drunk without paying tax, to forget his troubles for five minutes....

    No wonder they need bourbon and cokes as some reckon they down in gallons every day...... on cruise ships, too....

    (ahhhhhhhh... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....)
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    8:59am
    Politicians work until they are 100!? -- hell they do SBA now except for fighting amongst themselves -- get them out doing some real work -- for SBA salary and see how they like that! They wouldn't last 5 mins!
    Charlie
    30th Jul 2018
    3:26pm
    "Empty words"...That's my easiest comment ever.
    disillusioned
    30th Jul 2018
    4:11pm
    What a load of tosh Scomo speaks!! I stood in the supermarket today (not Aldi, I must admit), and looked at all the prices that have snuck up 50 cents or more in the past couple of months, and debated whether to eat a healthy evening meal or cover my latest power bill that has also gone up. And no, I don't have air-con, and would rather have an early shower and put on warm jamas and gown than put on the heater. I worked and studied for many years, and retired just before I turned 70 because I just ran out of puff. My super fund performed well, so I got cut off the part age-pension I was on by Abbott and his demolition crew (no cuts to Age Pensions) and have to be careful with every cent. And I don't drink alcohol or smoke. The older I get the more I realise that this greedy LNP government will try to gobble up the paltry bit of savings I might have, while Scomo asnd his ilk retire into the lap of luxury. I refuse to listen to the LNP mob, and will never vote for them again.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    4:37pm
    Your super fund must be doing rather well to be cut off the pension altogether; we can all do sums. To be completely cut off means you really have enough, I am on a part pension and I do OK, it helps especially with the card giving us bulk billing. Still in private health as we do not trust this or the other mob.
    Rae
    31st Jul 2018
    8:18am
    That card saves you a lot Jim.

    We self funded should have it too.

    Why do we get to pay working people's prices when we no longer work.

    A simple ear issue has just cost me close to $90 for doctor's gap and two scripts at $22 each. I worked close to 50 years and paid all my taxes too and so did disillusioned.

    We were promised better and we were betrayed.

    It's easy for someone on the part pension who gets all the discounts to think we are doing okay but by the time we pay the extra costs it's not so fantastic. We are just paying for ourselves with no help ever.

    No childcare rebates, or any other of the current perks.

    They could have given us those cards too. It wouldn't have hurt the economy one bit and it would have eased the inequality.

    Hockey's budget was a mean attack on unionists pure and dangerous ideology.
    Sundays
    30th Jul 2018
    4:21pm
    I’m not sure how people build their ‘aspirations for a longer and healthier life’ by being forced to work to 70 and beyond. The stress of finding suitable work after 60 while Living on
    Newstart and/or using up your super and savings takes a significant toll on anyone’s health. Morrison can say what he likes. The jobs aren’t there
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:21am
    Being forced to do anything is not any aspiration by any stretch of an imagination - apart from the current LNP herd's ......

    Personally, at 69 (just saw the doc today and she had serious news, but I don't talk swear words like thickened lung tissue or ambitious lymph glands and constant throat irritation and stuff - and I don't even smoke), and then went to a supermarket, which said "Hiring now"... I said instantly - Me.. ME!

    THAT's aspiration..... given free range I'd do a law degree or something and would work until I dropped doing good... started medicine at 60 .... but try to get into a course at my age etc.... (LMFAO)..... now THAT'S aspiration - not being forced onto Unemployment Insurance and spending down your hard-earned assets before entering poverty in old age....

    Choice-Mobile, innit?? Not Compulsion-Mobile.....

    30th Jul 2018
    4:51pm
    Morrison - along with his totally inept Lieberal government - is full of it. The only thing these imbeciles have addressed are their own overbloated salaries and pension schemes.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jul 2018
    5:19pm
    I for one have done very well under the current government.
    Anonymous
    30th Jul 2018
    5:39pm
    So have millions of Aussies, Old Geezer.
    Growth helps all Australians
    The tax cuts will boost everyones wealth even further
    Bellbird
    30th Jul 2018
    7:56pm
    Hey Olbaid there is not one iota of evidence that trickle-down economics actually works. All that happens is that the rich recipients of the slashed taxes get more wealthy, often stashing their gains offshore in tax havens. Social inequality is clearly associated with bad outcomes: health, crime, the list goes on. You seriously want tax slashed for companies that can pay their bosses $40-50 million yearly?
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:25am
    So if these tax cuts will enhance the wealth of all - where is there in the Budget (as countless times before - a budget is NOT cash in the bank - it is a forward guess of what might happen but never does) an improvement in the value of OAP, DSP and Unemployment Insurance?

    Hmmmmmmm???

    Oh....... sorry ... those on 'welfare' (a total lie - it is paid for social security) cannot be, as leaners, included in any enhancement of wealth....

    (anyone got a spare firing squad around somewhere.. or maybe a guillotine... we can eat cake while we watch)....
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    3:14pm
    More cutting down of tall poppies I see. Tac cuts will help everyone as their will simply be a lot more tax collected so a lot more for the government to spend.
    Seenitall
    30th Jul 2018
    5:50pm
    Let's hope Scomo has never seen the movie "Logan's Run" because he might be considering offering subsidized flights to Switzerland, with a free end of life experience on arrival, to anyone dependent on the age pension.
    This government regards any form of welfare as an obscenity and they see the age pension as just another form of welfare.
    I can only hope that this latest utterance will let out a bit more rope which will hang the coalition at the next election because if they are returned the knives will really come out and what will be left of the age pension will look like it's hanging on a hook in an abattoir.
    Bellbird
    30th Jul 2018
    6:01pm
    The trouble is that Morrison being a happy-clapper born-again Christian type, thinks that if you are of his religious persuasion, God will give you wealth and health, and a job for as long as you like, removing the need for you to be a drag on the economy. It's called prosperity theology. On the other hand, if you are doing it tough, you are obviously not OK with God, it's all your own fault, and you can jump in the lake for all he cares. Some other Christians actually understand that many people who are struggling are just victims of bad luck and circumstance, and deserve compassion and assistance.
    bobm
    30th Jul 2018
    6:43pm
    Great guy in his own mind. Look closely at his lips. If they are moving he is lying.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:27am
    A legend in his own lunch-time.....
    clarkey
    30th Jul 2018
    7:13pm
    Well there are at least two lnp trolls in this discussion.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    9:43pm
    I am starting to suspect that Old Geezer and Olbaid are one and the same.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    1:27am
    Olbaid makes sense sometimes.... to be fair....
    clarkey
    31st Jul 2018
    9:46am
    Yes but if I was as well off as them/him I would not be on here shoving it down the throats of the people who were never in a position to have super or save for their later years. That irks me so much to the point were I would give him/her/them a hard tap on the chin if they had the misfortune of meeting me one day. The arrogance of it is what gets my angst going. It is like scumo is here answering with retorts that are extremely insulting! AND DUMB!
    BJ
    30th Jul 2018
    7:18pm
    Vote Morrison and Turnbull out next election and repay the appalling treatment of pensioners and working people approaching retirement age. To think they still have increasing the pension age eligibility to 70 as part of their budget is deeply disturbing.

    Our turn is nearly here to rid the over 50's community of these liberal and nationals politicians who hit the elderly and most vulnerable while giving multinationals and big banks billions in tax cuts.


    Shameful.
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    9:44pm
    I think it is something like $80 tax cuts.
    Incognito
    31st Jul 2018
    2:37am
    I meant $80 billion tax cuts.
    Bes
    30th Jul 2018
    7:54pm
    We constantly hear about how the Australian Aged Pension may come to an end and Pensioners will be called Beneficiaries.
    (But not for THEIR pensions of course!)
    Politicians tell us that due to the deficit the government could run OUT of money.
    Well I wonder who mismanaged Australia’s taxes??
    How come we never hear of the true cost of bringing in refugees, some with TWO WIVES or FOREIGN AID running out of money?
    Apparently 200,000 per year is affordable?
    How many come to work and how many come to join the Australian welfare system?
    A majority of the electorate (65%) WORKED, paid tax, paid a mortgage to buy their home and raised a family all while FUNDING all government public services inclusive of immigration!
    And how about keeping check on ALL tax free money collected in the name of religious charities going offshore?
    Some religions own businesses……tax free?
    Incognito
    30th Jul 2018
    9:53pm
    The 200,000 you talk about is actually LEGAL immigrants of all nationalities. Many of which were on student visas first.

    Just over 24,000 have been refugees this year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/australia-takes-the-most-refugees-since-start-of-humanitarian-program

    The Sustainable Australia Party want to reduce the limit LEGAL immigration to 70,000.

    Tax free religion is something that needs to change too, anyone can set up a religion and claim it as a charity. Scientology is worth trillions and never pay any tax for example. They buy up a lot of property too.
    GrayComputing
    30th Jul 2018
    8:07pm
    It is time for all of us (that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be part of 3 million waiting queues and lost calls?

    Does your MP really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

    This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

    Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?

    Some opposition and independent MPs stand to lose their chance at being part of the needed government changes

    We all need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

    Also contact opposition and independent MPs (today) who could help us to get a fair deal on pensions

    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    justme
    30th Jul 2018
    8:41pm
    The only thing SM has addressed is his party's electoral defeat.
    Morrison and co have ruined retirement for many ordinary people, there's nobody home on immigration, population policy, crime, and gov spending.
    Spend what they like and wring it out of pensioners and retirees.
    Not much choice at the moment. Wouldn't trust the others with a petty cash tin.
    Biggest problen is attitude, pollies see there retirement deal as an entitlement, and the rest of us as on welfare and a drain on the economy.
    Will be studying how to vote cards from both sides to see who annoys them the most.
    Old Geezer
    31st Jul 2018
    9:03am
    By elections were jyst as one expected nothing more.
    Dragrush
    31st Jul 2018
    2:12am
    I wouldn't have wasted my time listening to the drivel and lies that Mr Morrison delivered to COTA and I am surprised that they did not attempt to challenge him on the real issues facing older people and pensioners ( it proves my point that like the rest of us they are sheep). The downsizing of the assets threshold and cut off level in 2017 was a disaster for most asset rich part pensioners and the so called expanded pension loan scheme Morrison is touting is frought with more problems than the old one before and it wont become legal until July 2019 even assuming it does get through the legislation required.

    I am sick being an older person being forced to live on a part pension because at 75 I cannot get a job despite being better qualified than Mr Morrision and having to struggle to make ends meet. I know of many others much worse than me and I wonder why we do not all unite our efforts and demand the dignity and respect we deserve and get a better deal from the government.
    Rae
    31st Jul 2018
    8:26am
    At the very least we should demand our share of baby bonuses, childcare rebates and home owner grants in a lump sum with interest.

    Didn't get middle class welfare or any other type ever.

    Just high taxes and high interest rates and now we get shafted.

    Easy to be inspired when the taxpayer is picking up the tab isn't it?
    World Prophet
    31st Jul 2018
    8:45am
    Economic drag be buggered! They stole the original pension fund and continue to this day:

    1942 – 1943 As a Wartime measure, the Federal Government gained sole control over Australian Income Tax. Labor Prime minister (Ben Chifley) introduced three bills to establish the National Welfare Fund, to be financed by a Compulsory Contribution (levy) of one and sixpence in the Pound (20/-) on all personal income.
    Opposition Leader (Robert Menzies) stated that the Compulsory Contribution (levy) should be kept completely separate from other government income streams, that it should be shown separately on the Taxation Assessment and paid straight into a “TRUST” account, and not mixed with the General Revenue.
    Menzies said “The stigma of charity should be removed from the Age Pension.” and that “It should be an entitlement earned by the person’s personal contribution to the fund.”

    1946 Prime Minister Chifley agreed and established The National Welfare fund as at 1/1/1946.
    A “Trust” Fund with the Parliament as “Trustee.” The Compulsory Contributions (levy) commenced as at 1st January 1946. It was shown separately on the personal Tax Assessments for 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 and 1950 and the compulsory levy was properly paid straight into the Special “Trust” fund and Welfare claims were paid out of the fund.
    The balance in the fund in 1950 was almost 100 million pounds.
    1949 Robert Menzies became Prime Minister and he introduced Bills to amend the acts governing the National Welfare Funds.
    The Compulsory Contributions (levy) was then grouped with the Taxation Assessment and appeared as one amount on the Taxation assessments and was paid as one amount straight into the Consolidated Revenue Account. The sabotage of the National Welfare Fund had commenced.
    The Opposition Labor Party had collaborated in this sabotage by remaining silent instead of opposing Menzies’ action.
    1951 – 1985 The compulsory levy of 7.5% now included in the tax continued to be collected and placed in the Consolidated Revenue Account treated as General Revenue and spent, until 1985.
    1974 – 1975 Labor Prime Minister (Gough Whitlam) abolished income test for all persons 70 years of age and over and paid pensions to all people over that age.
    1975 Liberal Prime Minister (Malcolm Fraser) cancelled the Whitlam legislation.
    1977 Liberal Prime Minister (Malcolm Fraser with Treasurer Philip Lynch) transferred the balance in the Welfare Fund Account (approximately $470,000,000) to Consolidated Revenue Account.
    1985 Australian Labor Government repealed acts No. 39, 40 and 41 of 1945 (The National Welfare Fund Acts). Thus the funds finally ceased to exist yet the 7.5% levy continued to be collected as a proportion of the Income Tax revenue. It also introduced the (much maligned) Income and Asset Tests, thereby excluding millions of levy and tax paying Australians from receiving Social Services Pensions.
    This money these self funded contributions paid as a percentage of the total income tax collections are today worth far more than the amount of means tested pensions paid out.
    Actuaries have calculated the non-means tested entitlement due to each retiree, today is in excess of $500 per week.
    This surely debunks the politician’s claim that the generation are paying a proportion of their current taxes to cover the payments made to pensioners. The obvious short fall has been swallowed by the Government’s Taxation black hole.
    The historical summary above highlights the fact that politicians of opposing political parties each contributed to the agenda to destroy the entitlement as it was intended. Why? They had no mandate to do so, it clearly was not and is not the will of the people.
    While Party Politicians on both sides are controlled by a few people who are hidden from public view yet are open to manipulation and outright corruption, there can be no certainty of the payment of pensions.
    Only a majority of truly Independent representatives can bring about a change from Government under corporate control, to Government for the People, of the People, by the People.
    Just because a cabal of political miscreants become so greedy that they change the way a tax looks in the Ledgers, IN NO WAY REMOVES THE FACT THAT THIS TAX IS STILL COLLECTED TO THIS DAY TO PROVIDE FOR THE SUPPLY AND CONTINUATION OF THE OLD AGE PENSION - A STIPEND TO THE ELDERLY CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE WORKED FOR DECADES OF THEIR LIVES TO BUILD A NATION AND HAVE FROM WORKING DAY ONE OF THEIR LIVES, BEEN PAYING 7% PLUS OF THEIR TAXES DIRECTLY TOWARDS THIS PENSION.
    The old age pension is not a privilege: Is not a right. Is not a gift. Is not even welfare.
    The Old Age Pension is an asset owned and accrued by each Australian Citizen who has funded this asset from their very own purse.
    The governments of the day were employed to amass, secure, invest and manage a fund that in its first 5 years bulged to almost £100,000,000, an amount that today would be worth approximately $240 million.
    They did amass, secure, invest and manage - and the figures were colossal and frightening to them and hence they conspired to hide them back into the consolidated Revenue bucket and to this day, that bucket has been brimming with a 7.5% tax collected specifically and only, for the Old Age Pension.
    Seenitall
    31st Jul 2018
    10:04am
    Well researched World Prophet - you clearly explain how the clammy greedy hand of government has gradually descended into the age pension cookie jar.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2018
    10:04am
    Thank you for putting these facts into print again. These words should be printed in all the free Senior papers available in bowls and services clubs throughout the nation.
    There is an increasing number of people believing that our old age pension is welfare. Your explanation should put an end to that misconception.
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    12:48pm
    World Prophet, May I print this out and use it, please????
    World Prophet
    31st Jul 2018
    1:14pm
    Plan B, you just go for your life, mate. If more pensioners knew the facts, they might just be able to tell politicians where to shove their 'welfare'.
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    4:37pm
    Thanks, Prophet -- I often tell politicians where to go -- I have NO time for any of the parasites at all

    Might drop a few printed ones off at various places as well
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    11:01am
    Rubbish all those on welfare including OAPs are a drag on our economy.
    JoJozep
    31st Jul 2018
    9:49am
    Scotty should be nicknamed Mr. Teflon. He makes speeches based on spin, not facts. We used to have a part pension, now we have nothing but our savings. As my wife had to suddenly enter an aged care home because of health issues, meeting the RAD or interest payments, selling our home to make ends meet, buying a smaller place close to the aged care home and then being told sorry your assets are just over the limit is too much to bear.

    Why is the Rad fee considered an asset? It is locked away for the duration of her stay, possibly 10-20 years, so no income is produced for this period. On top of this the greedy Scotty and his turnips, gleefully charge a government day fee of $72.00, plus accommodation costs, coming to $184.00 odd per day, YES PER DAY, that's $67,160 per year.

    Which ar#hole does he think I pull this out of, certainly not his. A great POX on his soul and all the rich liberals who's snout must be getting sore by now, certainly their arses must be nice and warm.

    And since when are assets deemed to earn high interest rates by that useless crowd Centre link?? At low to median risk, you're lucky to earn 3-4% yet the government now charges over 6% if you don't pay the RAD up front. That's $4000 per month thank you very much, so much for looking after the aged he bullshits in his speech.

    Wake up people, the present government hasn't a clue of what to do about the ageing population, except to make them endure more and more sacrifices to limit their ability to live out of poverty, yet the ar#hiole can find $140 Billion to pay the big end of town, $17 Billion of that to the fat Banks, we as taxpayers in the GFC bailed out of trouble of their own making. I would like to shirtfront that bastard any day
    clarkey
    31st Jul 2018
    10:15am
    Sympathy Jo. It is so frustrating to read about this type of theft by an incompetent narcissistic snouts in trough government!
    Andy
    31st Jul 2018
    1:21pm
    so right tisme the one thing we can do is put the politicians on our retirement wage we only have to vote for it
    JoJozep
    31st Jul 2018
    3:59pm
    Let's reflect!

    Forget the bullsh#t politicians, they are temporary, very temporary. It depends on your vote.

    My experience and authority stems from helping a section of the population who did their time and service and expect some help after their distorted lives- war time.

    We have an Act called the Defence Service Homes Act 1918 (or similar deviations since).

    This Act was introduced in 1918 to assist returning World War One Veterans return to a safe and welcoming country after the 1st World War. It was designed to provide a cheap and affordable loan to start a new life. This loan was the backbone of the Australian economy recovery after the war. The same thing repeated after World War 2, and subsequent wars.

    In 2000 Approximately 120,000 veterans qualified for a war service loan in Victoria alone, probably a million Australia wide. The administration of this Act has been whittled down by successive governments, why?, because it was at some cost to the public taxpayer. Here's the rub. Millions of Australian young men and women where exposed to the vagaries of war they valiantly pursued. They never questioned the real reason was to prop up the British empire, selected allies or other non script governments. Hell, the first World War was based on European Cousins pushing their barrows, including British Royalty with cousins in Germany. So it was all family based.

    Like young unassuming Aussies, our young were sent to the front to become fodder for Turkish machine guns. Yes the Turks held the bases and where in fact heroes, defending their land. The local spin would suggest they where martyrs for the cause. Here is the government spin.

    Yes, they where heroes, but not because they achieved anything, because they fought valiantly in a useless war giving thousands of their lives for a universal cousin's family tiff. So yes, we need to look after them, the injured, the widows and the lucky ones who managed to return.

    The second world war was a little different. Australia was under attack! Our heroes, again young enlisted men, bore the front of this war. Our immediate plans cantered on Darwin and New guinea attacks. Why were we involved with Europe, Britain, Egypt, the Middle east, Etc., when our own shores at Darwin and the Coral Sea where being severely threatened? Where was British help then? See you later alligator! We lost thousands of valiant men in this campaign.

    Now here is the rub-
    The government of the day decided this War debt was onerous. Lets limit any assistance to widows and surviving families. Stuff the Veterans. Most past veterans are now dead!

    War is over, we can start to forget their personal sacrifice. After all, they no longer vote! So it hardly affects present government. That attitude is the present government’s mantra.

    So what’s the point of all this?

    The present government sucks! They are never going to acknowledge the past and the debt society owes to the valiant past. So stuff the pensioners (who like me paid thousands if not millions of their working life into tax, (and still paying) and get zero pension.

    Here is ScMo bullsh#ting about what is being done for pensioners and veterans, when in fact, his departments have been ordered to skin the bones for a second time. Actually, it’s not the Department’s fault, but at the coal face, they cop the criticism, while Scomo bullshit#s on till we kick this arse#ole out.

    The quicker we vote these low crowd bloodsuckers out the better. Let them get a real job and discover what real life is about. I personally challenge any politician to survive for 6 months on what pensioners and veterans get. I’ve yet to be proved wrong!

    I don’t easily care for politicians that lie through their teeth. My life has been hard fought and one on my own initiative, not by any government wanker. Bring on the elections, especially you Malcolm, who has now considered the LIB/NCP would lose immediately.
    Incognito
    31st Jul 2018
    4:11pm
    Thanks for the education Jo, it is amazing to hear stories like this.
    Pollies will never have a real job, they get put in high flying high paid jobs pen pushing or just retire on the luxury pensions.
    PlanB
    31st Jul 2018
    4:43pm
    I also thank you Jo.Jo always good to hear and read such
    clarkey
    31st Jul 2018
    7:05pm
    Really puts things into perspective Jo. Well written and nails it 100%

    Thanks! Now lets get these mongrels out asap!
    Rescobee
    31st Jul 2018
    5:40pm
    Morrison and his government wouldn't have a clue. What a broad brush motherhood statement! Cost of living continues to increase but pension/part pension rates vary only as the stock market varies. Losing liveability all the time. If they see the need for a pay rise, surely the rest of us do too.
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    10:58am
    If you investments are not performing in the current market then you need to sack your advisor.
    clarkey
    1st Aug 2018
    11:06am
    OG you presume way too much! What a ridiculous statement!
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    3:11pm
    No idea what you are on about.
    Bellbird
    1st Aug 2018
    12:39pm
    Heard Morrison interviewed on ABC this morning. His demeanour was really worrying: agitation, thought pressure, staccato speech, almost flights of ideas. Medical issues in play rather than just political points? We really need calm heads given the challenges the country faces.
    Old Geezer
    1st Aug 2018
    3:11pm
    He is always like that.
    PlanB
    3rd Aug 2018
    11:24am
    Morrison is in panic mode and is downright dangerous
    Adrianus
    2nd Aug 2018
    2:55pm
    Scott Morrison is a hero!
    He and Tony Abbott did what the Labor Party/Greens and Unions couldn't. They said it was impossible to stop bodies washing up on our shores. They said even if they could do it that it would start a war with Indonesia. Labor and the Greens had lost control of our borders Their hand wringing and sobbing in Parliament was pathetic.
    If your memory is short, or you don't care for Australian lifestyle values, then vote for Labor/Greens/Independents again.
    PlanB
    3rd Aug 2018
    11:22am
    Abbott and Morrison heroes -- anyone that thinks this must be blind or MAD.

    Abbott broke ALL his promises told lies and couldn't organise a chook raffle.

    But he claims to be a good CHRISTIAN as does Morrison -- and he follows the happy clappers blindly
    JoJozep
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:05pm
    Adrianus. Scotty A hero? Abbot a hero? I must be on the wrong planet. If you can demonstrate one iota of good these two have done for the Australian public (and I don't mean the ultra rich, big business and overseas companies), I'll believe your diatribe.

    The only fault with the Labor party is that they are too gentile. I've listened to parliamentary debates many times as they can be entertaining, but the number of times the LNCP have crossed the line in decent debate behavior far outweighs what labor have done. The worst abuse comes from the Country Party. These politicians are extremely careful not to rub the independents the wrong way as they note very carefully they will need their support to get legislation over the line, so they suck up big time.

    Have no fear Adrianus, they, Scotty and the other LNCP liars, will fall on their sword sooner rather than later, just watch the next round of Federal elections. History will repeat itself!

    By the way, what do you mean about protecting the Australian lifestyle. Are you suggesting these asylum seekers are all bad and would harm our way of life, because if you are you're mouthing your anus.
    Incognito
    2nd Aug 2018
    9:14pm
    I think he was referring to the Boat people arriving illegally, but I thought Kevin Rudd stopped that? Should be more worried about the 200,000 LEGAL immigrants that come to Australia each year, the ones with money in their pockets.
    The deal that LNP has done with Cambodia is disgusting, sending refugees their from Manus/Nauru whilst giving Cambodia millions of dollars, and now it looks like they are becoming a dictatorship. I am worried what LNP are up to.
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2018
    10:44am
    That's what I'm talking about, narrow minded people who think that being emotional is akin to being kind to their fellow citizens.
    You are worried about the controlled migration but not the illegal 500,000 which came into the country during the snivelling and handwringing party of your worship. But that's ok because they have a good heart as seen by their crying??
    I don't care how many tears they shed it wont replace an apology for their incompetence. This is the party which apologises every other week for things that they don't have control over. Hell, they were apologising for something which happened 200 years ago!! You and other non thinking Australians should also feel responsible.
    Kevin Rudd STARTED the illegal boat people migration.
    Learn to decipher the BS.
    Incognito
    3rd Aug 2018
    3:01pm
    Settle down Adrianus, I don't worship any party, I was just asking a question. You cannot compare "controlled" immigration to illegals when we have far more "controlled" immigration per year not per term of a political party who I do not worship because I do not think any of them are any good, to tell you the truth.
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2018
    8:02pm
    Well at least we cab agree on one thing. I also think they're all a bunch of useless, self serving, wasters of oxygen.


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