Should the ‘burqini’ be banned?

Amelia shares her take on the burqini debate.

woman wearing a burqini at the beach

In 2010, France enacted the controversial burqa ban law, preventing women who observe the Muslim custom from covering up. Six years earlier, the country banned children and teachers from wearing religious symbols in schools. Both actions attracted a lot of attention, both support and criticism. Some believed the burqa ban allowed for better transparency in a post-9/11 world, while others felt it restricted freedom of religious expression.

Now, the ‘burqini’ has come under fire. Originally an Australian invention, the burqini covers the whole body except the face, hands and feet and it isn’t just Muslim women donning the suit either. In 2011, Nigella Lawson was spotted on the beach wearing the burqini as a form of sun protection.

The burqini debate is a sensitive one. On the one hand, you have a swimsuit that allows some Muslim women to comfortably enjoy the beach, while on the other hand, you have an outfit that, to some, symbolises a lack of assimilation. To them, the burqini isn’t a swimsuit; it’s a statement.

vintage picture of old style swimsuits

Funny how bigger pieces of cloth sewn together to make the burqini, can make such a different statement to the smaller pieces of cloth used to make the bikini (customarily worn in western cultures). Let’s not even mention the scraps left over at the factory that are used to make the entirely unoffending ‘budgie smugglers’.

Not surprisingly, three towns in France have already signed up to ban the swimsuit, beginning in July 2013 with Mandelieu-la-Napoule, close to Cannes. Pas-de-Calais and Leucate also reportedly followed through with the ban this week. I wonder why it’s taken three whole years for France to get on with it – the burqa ban happened six years ago, people.

Don’t worry everyone, I’m sure it’s only matter of time until the burqini hits Australian shores. I hope it comes in waves.

(In case you can’t tell yet, I’m being sarcastic.)

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    Pablo
    18th Aug 2016
    10:44am
    ABSOLUTELY! If they want to swim on OUR beaches, then they need to fit in with OUR culture!
    Watto
    18th Aug 2016
    11:22am
    Totally agree . Getting tired of this silly discussion .
    Rod63
    18th Aug 2016
    1:35pm
    If they are Australians, they are their beaches too. We have many cultures.
    KSS
    18th Aug 2016
    2:54pm
    Its a baggy wetsuit with a swimming cap! So what's the problem?

    Please explain what 'our culture' is for 'our beaches'.

    My bikini days are (or should be) over. Are you going to force all women into bikinis instead of a more flattering one piece, shorts & tee-shirt or yes even a wetsuit?
    Retired Knowall
    19th Aug 2016
    3:52pm
    Yes lets just confine OUR beaches to the Obese Men in Budgie Smugglers and Obese Women in Bikini's. I think these should be made to wear the full Body Muslim garments.
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    6:26am
    "ABSOLUTELY! If they want to swim on OUR beaches, they need to fit in with OUR culture"..

    UNBELIEVABLE that people in 2016 Australila can think like this!!!

    Surely people can wear anything they like to swim in the Pacific and Indian Oceans that border the Oz coastline - diversity being the norm as far as I can discern for beachwear. So darned if I know what you banging on about when you speak of 'our culture' re: walking on beaches or swimming in oceans.

    And given the distressingly high incidence of 'sun cancer' in this country the burkini sounds like a pretty good option.
    Jan
    18th Aug 2016
    11:31am
    Wrong Pablo! So you are going to force these women to wear a bikini or stay at home? I was thinking of buying one for sun protection. Members of my family have died from melanoma at young ages, like 23, I think we should have a choice to cover up if we want to. I lived in Turkey, Syria and Lebanon many years ago and swimming at beaches was sometimes interesting ..... some women waded in to cool off, dressed from head to foot in black burqas, this gives them a new, and more practical choice. Blokes have been trying to dictate what we wear for long enough. Incidentally I understand France's decision to ban expresseions of religion such as crucifixes and the burqa ... lived in Europe for many years too and listened to the debates.
    Pablo
    18th Aug 2016
    11:39am
    Jan, if they wanted to wear full coverup suits for swimming for protection from the sun, then I agree they should be allowed to. But when they are doing it for religious or idealogy reasons, then I have real problems with it. They need to fit in with the western way of life if they want to live in Australia, otherwise they should go back where they came from.
    Rod63
    18th Aug 2016
    11:50am
    Pablo, many of "them" can't "go back where they came from" because they were born here! They are not "them", but us!

    Also, if a woman is wearing one, how do you know if it's for sun protection or for "religious or ideology reasons"? How can one be okay and the other not?
    Pablo
    18th Aug 2016
    11:55am
    Rod63, same old, same old arguments. If they aren't prepared to fit in with our way of life, we don't want them here. I would say that it is pretty easy to tell the reason they are covering up from head to toe.
    Rod63
    18th Aug 2016
    1:14pm
    Pablo - our ways (plural) of life. We have many in Australia.
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    6:44am
    "They need to fit in with the western way of life if they want to live in Australia, otherwise they should go back where they came from"

    So what - this comes down to dictating what people can or can't wear when they swim in either the Pacific or Indian Oceans?? -STARK RAVING INSANITY!!

    How do you feel about nude beaches and nude swimming Pablo?
    Jacks
    18th Aug 2016
    11:39am
    It's a no brainer for me. It would help reduce the incidents of skin cancer. We already have a part burqini anyway with long sleeve rash tops and sun tops. Why not the full length and help people who are especially at risk of skin cancer enjoy their time in the sun.
    Oldie84
    18th Aug 2016
    11:39am
    What is the problem? As long as their faces are not concealed I would only feel sorry for them not being able to feel the water on their skins and drink in the sun.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Aug 2016
    3:54pm
    Yea and develop melanoma like the rest of us.
    Sen.Cit.90
    18th Aug 2016
    11:44am
    So I went to the local maccas two or three weeks back, and placed my order through the intercom. All good no problems. Pulled up to the window and the person taking the orders was a Muslim girl in a full black burqa. Now I'm not racist, but I was quite surprised. But I didn't say anything, just took my order and left. Then last night I went to Hungry Jacks to pick up one of those burgers they were advertising. placed my order thru the intercom and drove up to the window. But surprisingly it was again a Muslim in a burqa, but instead of black, she was wearing a pink burqa. Her eyes and voice were the same, so I asked: "didn't you work at McDonald's?" She was taken aback, but she responded: "yeah" "So why you working at Hungry Jacks, and why are you wearing a different burqa?" She looked at me dead in the eyes, and said: "Because the burqas are better at Hungry Jacks"
    Pablo
    18th Aug 2016
    11:48am
    Sen.Cit.84, good one mate!
    Occasional Traveller
    18th Aug 2016
    12:01pm
    Now that truly made me laugh out loud!
    particolor
    18th Aug 2016
    12:12pm
    Ya want Fry's with that ? :-)
    Rod63
    18th Aug 2016
    1:34pm
    "fries" particolor?
    JAID
    19th Aug 2016
    4:45pm
    I know the one Sen.Cit 84, the woman with the strong Scottish brogue. Turned out all that Angus beef was Highland grown not Halal.
    TrueBlue
    18th Aug 2016
    11:55am
    It's quite pathetic to see the xenophobic comments by the first two posters.

    Perhaps they could define "Our culture". As far as I know there is nothing in the "Australian" culture that includes telling other people what they should wear on the beach. In the bad old days, Life Guards didn't allow bikinis, but we have grown up and moved on from there, except for a few pathetic souls who are scared of anything not to their personal liking.

    Grow up boys, Australian culture does not include imposing your views on everyone else and gives eveyone a fair go.
    Pablo
    18th Aug 2016
    12:01pm
    And that is one of the main reasons for this argument - they are trying so hard to impose their views on us in every respect in OUR country and we should not just accept it. If they don't like OUR way of life they are welcome to go to a muslim country where they can practice their muslim beliefs to their hearts content!
    particolor
    18th Aug 2016
    12:16pm
    And they lived Happily Ever After in a land called Austastan :-) :-)
    Occasional Traveller
    18th Aug 2016
    12:18pm
    Don't you think it's more about inclusiveness in that we like to think people come here to enjoy our way of life, ie they can enjoy the lifestyle that they could not dream of having before coming here. Sure you can cover from the sun but why can't you do so without wearing a burqua. So you drive on the other side of the road from whence you came and don't feel comfortable about changing? Are we meant to accomodate you in that regard.Where does it stop? Where is the common bond / thread if people come here and don't make an effort to fit in. We don't want a them and us situation, we want people to rub along together , don't we or are going to be living in separate enclaves as seems to be happening elsewhere when the national character seems to be considered as less important. Allah help us if we ever had to bond together as happened in WWII...
    Rod63
    18th Aug 2016
    1:39pm
    Pablo - it is your use of "they", "their" "our" that is not accurate. Can't you see that?
    maxchugg
    20th Aug 2016
    10:06am
    Rod63, Pablo is right. We stop using "them" and "they" when they integrate and become part of "us."

    True Blue notices "our" xenphobia but ignores "theirs."

    I can remember when the Italians arrived after WWII, the initial attitude "they" received from "us" was xenophobia on steroids. But they integrated, became as Australian as we are, and enriched our culture to an enormous extent.

    We are not xenophobic, we still believe in the "fair go" principle, but this is something we expect to receive, as well as give.

    And no, I am not Italian, and have no Italians in my family.
    Disco3
    18th Aug 2016
    12:17pm
    What's the problem? It's part of their culture to chose to wear 'normal' or traditional clothing.
    Joining us on the beach is good - its part of our culture.
    We are also aware that too much exposure to the sun can lead to skin cancer. Many who visit the beach frequently are choosing to wear special clothing to protect themselves from the sun's rays. Would you make them change into bikinis or budgie smugglers?
    I do, however, draw the line at wearing the niqab in public places. But that is not the subject of this email.
    maxchugg
    20th Aug 2016
    3:56pm
    Disco3, I completely agree with you. We have no right to inflict our views on them without good reason, just as they have no right to inflict their views on us.
    sydneysider
    18th Aug 2016
    12:45pm
    if you see the women and their families as I do on the hottest days either not swimming or swimming in their clothes...dangerous in itself..... this should not be banned
    Merri
    18th Aug 2016
    1:21pm
    I would like to know what the Surf Life savers have to say about this issue as I think the burqini would weigh even a good swimmer down thereby putting them at greater risk of drowning and also make the wearer look more like a seal to any passing shark.
    KSS
    18th Aug 2016
    3:00pm
    Merri there are already female surf lifesavers who wear the burkini on patrol at the beaches. Check out Cronulla for one.
    missmarple
    18th Aug 2016
    6:08pm
    I'm with you Merri, if hypertheticly speaking they were caught in a rip the wet clothes would cetainly weigh them down, then its up to the poor life savers to get to them in time before they drowned,, there are certain councils in Melbourne that have indoor swimming pools that have a women muslim only days, so I ask if they can go to the beach and mingle with non muslims and Bikini clad westerners why then must they have a muslim only day for the pool,,,, TOO MANY THINGS THERE WAY
    Retired Knowall
    19th Aug 2016
    3:58pm
    I'm a Scuba Diver and I have been wearing a Full Length Rashy for the last 12 years. I wear it when I'm Diving and when I'm surfing, it gives me sun and Blue Bottle protection.
    No-one has ever asked me if was Muslim, go figure.
    Jacks
    18th Aug 2016
    1:32pm
    Full length body suites are already a part of Australian culture whether it's swimming or running or beach volley ball.

    Just because it's called a Burqini doesn't mean it's heavy material and don't get confused with what you see on TV of women in Afghanistan. The name 'Burqini' is marketed to women who wish to cover up.

    Nigela Lawson wore one to the beach once.

    Cathy Freeman ran to victory in a full length suite, much the same as the Burqini

    Ian Thorpe also swam for Australia winning a bunch of medals in a full length suite

    Beach Volley ballers in Rio Olympics were wearing Burqini's

    Female Volunteer life guards have trained in Australia with no problems wearing the Burqini.
    jackyd
    18th Aug 2016
    1:40pm
    A bit of a joke when safety becomes the issue.
    The full attired swimmer would be at greater risk in the surf than otherwise, also putting an extra risk to the would be life saver.
    And possibility a full covering one coloured black garment may look very much like a yummy stranded seal meal to a hungry White Pointer.
    KSS
    18th Aug 2016
    3:09pm
    Except jackyd they are not 'fully attired' at all and there are already female surf life savers training and doing surf safety patrols wearing these burqinis. Just because you think you might feel at risk wearing one, that is just not the case for the women who choose to do so.

    I do however, agree with the comment about being a tasty dish for sharks - much like the men in wetsuits on surfboards are!
    jackyd
    19th Aug 2016
    9:51am
    Well KSS my ASS

    Fully covered without the shoes and socks then!
    jackie
    18th Aug 2016
    1:53pm
    Yes ban them. They aren't practical and would be uncomfortable to swim in. What's wrong with a respectable looking one piece bathing suit? You are covered up and can swim in it. Slip, slop, slap and voila. I wish I could still wear a bikini. Oh the woes of aging.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Aug 2016
    4:03pm
    From the look of your pix I don't think you would ever look good in a Bikini.
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    6:36am
    Surely people can wear anything they like to swim in oceans or walk on the beaches that border this country - and surely practicality and comfort are a personal choice??

    See people of all shapes, colours, cultures, sizes, age groups etc. wearing all sorts of stuff or virtually no stuff at all on our beaches.

    'Burkini Wearing - a non-issue - storm in a teacup!!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:03am
    Yes what is wrong with a respectable swim suit, hope the heavy clothing drowns the bitches
    floss
    18th Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    YES YES. Some I have seen must be covered up for all our sake,sorry what was that bang.
    Masonite
    18th Aug 2016
    3:09pm
    I am amazed that people like Pablo can't see the stupidity of their argument. I suppose that's how Pauline Hansen gets elected. There are sufficient Neanderthals to give her a voice. This country does not belong to white anglo-saxons. When did the Anzacs fight to stop people from wearing modest swimsuits? What possible damage can it do to our society? You should be celebrating our diversity. Go and meet a Muslim. You may just change your mind. On second thoughts, don't bother you only take your advice from Pauline and shock jocks. You gave up learning a long time ago.
    Jannie
    18th Aug 2016
    3:38pm
    Wake up Masonite you need to live in amongst them then you will see what it is like.
    roy
    18th Aug 2016
    8:58pm
    Jannie, LIKE.
    Retired Knowall
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:08am
    Well Jannie, I don't think it is as bad as living next to a Bogan like you.
    Jannie
    18th Aug 2016
    3:36pm
    Sick and tired of hearing about muslims.
    roy
    18th Aug 2016
    8:23pm
    LIKE.
    Jannie
    18th Aug 2016
    3:40pm
    The public pool I go to they meaning muslims go swimming fully covered I think they go there to wash their clothes.
    roy
    18th Aug 2016
    8:26pm
    LIKE.
    Jen50
    18th Aug 2016
    3:42pm
    If burqinis are banned on the beach, then we should also ban wet suits, diving suits, sunsmart swimsuits with long sleeves and knee length shorts for children, sarongs, towels around the shoulders or waist, street clothes or anything else that covers the body. I don't ever remember calls to ban habits for Cathloc nuns, so why do we continually pick on Muslim women?
    Happy traveller
    18th Aug 2016
    3:44pm
    Some very prejudiced people commenting here. I feel the full cover up costume is very sensible in our harsh sunshine. As for telling them to go back to where they came from, many of them cannot do this. Our culture is a combination of cultures from all over the world. It does not mean we are all obliged to wear brief swimsuits. I have frequently seen women who choose to go in the water wearing dresses because if modesty or shirts and shorts to cover up at the beach, likewise long sleeved sun vests and wetsuits.
    grounded
    18th Aug 2016
    3:49pm
    Yes....totally agree that Islamic subscribing women should wear Burqini's on Australian beaches...or at public Swimming Pools, Water Holes etc., Infidels have had it too good for too long....parading around half naked at our Beaches....
    missmarple
    18th Aug 2016
    6:19pm
    who are you grounded,,, saying we (infidels ) have had it too good for too long, if you are one of them who has come to our shores for a better life then assimilate to our way of living instead of trying to have things changed to yours,,, we didn't ask you to come here,,, its remarks like yours that anger people
    roy
    18th Aug 2016
    8:28pm
    I agree grounded, the sooner we bring in sharia laws the better Australia will be.
    biddi
    19th Aug 2016
    12:17am
    Love a good laugh haha!
    grounded
    19th Aug 2016
    3:00am
    Allah Ackbar Miss Marple.....
    Franky
    18th Aug 2016
    3:52pm
    Where has our humanity and tolerance gone? We can go to Bali and lie topless on the beach, certainly offending many of the local muslims who take offence, yet some want to stop a certain dress here when people swim. What is more offensive? I think we should draw a line, not allowing full face hiding hijabs, but all else I don't have a problem with.
    Happy traveller
    18th Aug 2016
    5:30pm
    Totally agree with Franky.
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2016
    3:49pm
    If you dont want to be topless Franky thats your choice, and thanks for sparing us
    JAID
    18th Aug 2016
    4:57pm
    People should wear or not wear what they wish. Nice if they feel able to respect the concerns of others while they do so but even that is not critical. I can't see that there would be too many places where face covering would hurt anybody.

    The only exception I see as appropriate is where we as a national community are prepared to dictate our will.

    If we say I cannot wander around the street naked then I will go along with that (gladly.)

    If we say I cannot wear face covering, perhaps in certain places like banks or the mint, even shops or any place where there is a reasonable expectation that it may let me get away with something I should not then I will go along with that also. We exclude bike helmets from certain places.

    We make the laws as a community. Religions may think they have laws but no matter what you call them no religious dictates may be allowed to over-rule those of the nation. In that respect this need not have any real relationship with the particular religion involved. And we should be careful to ensure that that is the case, also, careful to make that clear to those who may whinge about the national will.

    If we have reason to decide that none should wear a papal mitre, kilts or have their own secret service agents then that is OK too, the pope, half the scots and the US president can choose to stay at home.
    JAID
    18th Aug 2016
    5:08pm
    I see my waffle came before the eye screen.

    Even with the title clear it didnt sink in that this was about bathing suits. Not full face coverings.

    What problem could full length bathing suits possibly cause? None that i can see.
    ex PS
    18th Aug 2016
    6:33pm
    Why would this be anyone's 'business than the one wearing the apparel mentioned?
    Happy traveller
    18th Aug 2016
    9:41pm
    Exactly! No one else's business!
    GrayComputing
    18th Aug 2016
    6:51pm
    My only concern is that multi cultural is currently a one way street to those who benefit living in our country
    Building mosques here is fine with me but only if the other religions in other country allow us to build mosques/churches and gay bars in their country
    East of Toowoomba
    18th Aug 2016
    7:57pm
    Australia is still a free country isn't it? As a female of a certain age, I no longer wear a bikini on the beach and although I wouldn't wear a burkini, I can't see what business it is of anyone else what a person (male or female) chooses to wear on the beach. Lots of larger ladies and men like to wear kaftans to cover up. Do you think they should be banned from the beach too? Add a head scarf and sunnies and you are cool, comfortable, modest and sun safe. What is the problem?

    Surely what attire we choose to wear in public is a personal decision, so long as it is not offensive or too revealing, it need not be a matter for legislation.
    Nan Norma
    18th Aug 2016
    8:00pm
    When I first read about the banning of Muslim woman wearing burkas on the beach, I burst out laughing as I recalled a Ester Williams movie, Million Dollar Mermaid,where she is banned from the beach because she ISN'T wearing a swimming costume similar to the burka. We are a funny lot aren't we. Let the women wear their coveralls. Seeing some of the sights squeezed into tini weeny little bikinis on the beach these days it might be a blessing if more young women wore burkas.
    ex PS
    19th Aug 2016
    9:45am
    Maybe we should bring back beach inspectors, I remember them going around in the sixty's, checking out swimming costumes to ensure that public decency was not breached. When will this offensive nanny state culture stop, we are letting the vocal minority suck every bit of individuality and joy out of our lives.
    Some things need to be decided by others who are more qualified, but most things are better off left to the individuals who are most effected.
    Radish
    18th Aug 2016
    8:45pm
    I don't care what they wear. If they want to swim in all that material their problem. I would hate it myself as it would not be comfortable when wet I would think.

    I remember seeing Nigella Lawson wearing one.
    ex PS
    19th Aug 2016
    9:40am
    That would be tantamount to sacrilege.
    musicveg
    18th Aug 2016
    9:19pm
    I think it is okay as long as they are not black burqini's, any other colour except black. Ban the black burqini.
    Jon S
    18th Aug 2016
    10:14pm
    I am an atheist, but I really don't mind what people wear, it's their choice in a free society - burqinis, skull caps, crucifixs, turbans, Christian habits.

    But whenever I see any of these articles of religiosity I feel astounded, saddened and occasionally, even angry that educated people are sucked in by beliefs that have absolutely no foundation established by evidence.

    As the late Christopher Hutchins said 'Religion brings only misery'.

    JonS
    Sydney
    Retired Knowall
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:13am
    I think the clue in your post is "that educated people are sucked in by beliefs that have absolutely no foundation established by evidence".
    Most of these posts are from uneducated Bogans that have never left their Red Neck suburbs. Have a look at the dribble posted by Jannie.
    red 1
    18th Aug 2016
    11:05pm
    If a woman, regardless of her religious beliefs prefers to cover her body, rather than get about almost uncovered; then shouldn't that be her right??
    bebby
    19th Aug 2016
    1:05pm
    red 1, totally agree, when I view my not so young body in the mirror
    I would happily wear one, not black, but bright glowing red.
    bebby
    19th Aug 2016
    1:21pm
    Oops, better make it blue so I can be invisible in the sea. Far better
    option
    biddi
    18th Aug 2016
    11:35pm
    Maybe the burqini will act as a good shark deterrant.
    Golden Oldie
    19th Aug 2016
    8:03pm
    What happened to freedom of choice? Why all the fuss about what to wear, or not to wear when swimming on the beach? Think of all the skin cancer that may be avoided through wearing a costume that covers the areas of skin that burns in the sun. Great for blondes and redheads that suffer most from sunburn. Makes more sense than wearing a bikini. Forget religious concepts, and culture, and cover up if you want to. If that annoys the male pervs by not showing a lot of skin, too bad.
    Katie
    20th Aug 2016
    1:09pm
    I agree Golden Oldie.
    meow
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:36am
    I like the idea of sun protection if you like a lot of time on the beach. Who cares? Let everybody wear what they are comfortable in. I have always only worn ordinary suits as I don't have a bikini figure!
    Janran
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:04pm
    So, Pablo and Watto, I presume you think surfers, knee-boarders and boogie-boarders (male and female), should be banned from wearing wetsuits and helmets?

    Why can't you just let people be? THIS is the true Aussie way.
    almost midnight
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:23pm
    our culture? Our culture is an amazing conglomeration of bits nad pieces from so many cultures - such diversity is always amazing to our visitors! I do believe that the face covering burqa is difficult in this security conscious age..but really, if they want to cover up at the beach and swim in this outfit ( which looks seriously uncomfortable!) well, good luck to them. I grew up in the age of speedos, and ( probably sadly) still wear speedos as I still actively swim and as I ahve enough 'drag' of my own these days, I feel that I don't need any more..so speedos it is! At least the burqinis wont have too many issues with skin cancer!
    mangomick
    23rd Aug 2016
    10:08am
    Let's not sell our Democracy off so cheaply by trying to ban clothing that the majority of us would not wear. Of course it shouldn't be banned. What a stupid thing to do. In a true democracy you should be able to wear what you like. It shouldn't be banned or disallowed any more than flared pants,mumble pants budgie smugglers or safari suits should be banned.In Queensland any where north of Bundaberg, nippers (junior surf life savers) have to wear body suits as stinger protection when in the water. What's the bloody difference.
    Rosret
    23rd Aug 2016
    1:47pm
    The burqini is a great idea. We should all have one. A little more colourful and stylish but we really do need to cover up under or harsh sun. However - just don't tell me I have to wear it.
    Not Senile Yet!
    28th Sep 2016
    4:12pm
    When it comes to choice......in a land like Oz.....people should be free to choose their swim Costume! Burquinis are fine!
    But the Ful face cover up has NO PLACE witin our Culture......open face habib....no one I know has any issue with them whatsoever.....they are smart and some are colourful!
    It is only the Drab Full Face Black Masks thst annoy people...open face habib is fine!
    Again...no one really cares about the burquinis whatsoever!
    cappy
    18th Jan 2017
    11:29am
    yes definitely.... reasons are only too obvious....
    JAID
    18th Jan 2017
    12:21pm
    This should not be an issue.

    We purport to be a free country. Sure, like other items of accoutrement, if you are in a place where we routinely ban face covering, ban those face coverings, if we embargo clothes in a sauna or public bath or something, ban clothes but don't tell us what we can and cannot wear just because you attach some meaning you have a distaste for to that apparel.

    Aside, rather than modify immigration based on religion it may not be a bad idea to assess who wants to put it up somebody else's nose and ban those people. I suspect that as much as anything it is the sense that somebody is wearing something to offend or to make a contrary political statement that annoys people. Once you are here you obviously have certain rights which include making an idiot of yourself but if there was a way to keep potentially dangerous, divisive elements out I cannot see that the attempt is unreasonable.

    Frankly, and this impossible approach will offend most here, I suspect that we would be a better place if we kept anybody from permanent residency who espouses a religion, any religion.


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