18th Jan 2018
A solid reason for returning Australia Day to 30 July

The debate rages each year and probably will until some kind of definitive response is reached. But will that ever happen? Can we ever unite and stand behind a day that we can truly call our own?

The problem with Australia Day isn't the actual celebration of our nation, it's the day on which it's held. And, funnily enough, 26 January is not even the day the First Fleet set foot on Terra Australis – that was actually 18 January. The 26 January was actually the date when Captain Arthur Phillip entered Sydney Cove to set up the first convict colony. The day was originally known as Foundation Day – and it was only celebrated in New South Wales.

The reason many people want to change the date is embarrassment about the brutal nature of British settlement – and for good reason. And if that’s the case, and Australia Day is meant to be a day of patriotism and pride in our nation, then perhaps we could return to the original  Australia Day?

Yep, the first Australia Day was conceived by Ellen Warton-Kirke and was held on 30 July, 1915 as a fundraising day for the war effort during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Australian War Memorial has it that on 30 July: “Ribbons, badges, handkerchiefs, buttons and other items … were sold to raise funds, with phrases such as 'For Australia's Heroes', 'Help Our Wounded Heroes' and 'The Turks Struck their Match in the Australians', which appealed to people's sense of pride and patriotism.”

So how about returning to a date that celebrates a patriotic, charitable, community minded ethos we Australians usually pride ourselves on having? It's a day that celebrates bravery, sacrifice, courage, and commemorates the lion-hearted soldiers who fought for our freedom. Also, it would be a well-deserved public holiday in the middle of the year, rather than a couple of weeks after the summer break.

What do you think? How does 30 July sound to you as a good date to celebrate Australia Day? Or are you stuck firmly to 26 January?

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    Hobbit
    18th Jan 2018
    10:15am
    Go back to 30 July. Also, change the Queen's Birthday Holiday to The Eddie Mabo Day.
    Cowboy Jim
    18th Jan 2018
    11:41am
    And while you are at it, cancel Christmas Day and name October 17
    Revolution Day to please the Commos and the luvvies of the ABC.
    Easter can be abolished as well and on our birthday week we get the
    whole week off.
    Why not change the whole calendar while we are at it!!
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:14pm
    Eddie Mabo day? To hell with that! Australia was built by Anglo-Celtic Australians, not by Mabo's useless lay-about mob.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Jan 2018
    5:38pm
    I think suggesting Eddie Mabo Day instead of the Queen's Birthday Holiday is racist. Why on earth would we abandon celebration of the Queen's Birthday?
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    6:44pm
    Answer: We should *when* Australia becomes a republic.
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2018
    7:15pm
    Why? It's based on Queen Victoria's birthday, and she was Sovereign at the time.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Jan 2018
    1:15pm
    A lot will change when Australia becomes a republic, Knows-a-lot. Have you actually read all the documented plans. According to documents, all land and enterprises will immediately become state owned. Hopefully it won't happen, but it IS written in official documentation.
    Knows-a-lot
    19th Jan 2018
    3:25pm
    I've read a few of the plans. As for land ownership, the State already has the power to seize land and offer peanuts by way of compensation. anyway, when a republic looks likely, those shockers can be contested.
    the_Albert
    18th Jan 2018
    10:22am
    I would reject 30 July: it seems to celebrate militarism. The very notion that in the first world war our soldiers "fought for our freedom" is ludicrous.
    JAID
    19th Jan 2018
    4:15pm
    the_Albert it is good to see people prepared to resist the rolling clouds of universal bulldust which can accompany fair respect for the part played in particular roles.

    It is true that the Germany of 1914 was not expansionary at all like it was in 1939. Expansion may not be necessary to the concept of restraint of liberty but it is reasonable to see it as a major component of it. Germany since the Bismark influence had spent significant energy developing liaisons which could protect it from invasion. It also made fairly right sounding noises especially to the Austro-Hungarians suggesting moderation.

    At the same time, its military were boiling for a fight. The noises were made at political level and turned out superficial. It is difficult to see how initiation of conflict with Belgium, France and necessarily then Britain, with Russia and via Austro-Hungry with Bosnia and the rest could be seen as other than expansionary and aimed at curtailing liberty of sovereign nations. The encircling agreements may have been causative but not necessarily so. Those who came to battle Germany were not the ones issuing deadlines for subservience.

    If you see someone being deprived of liberty in the street you cannot walk by if you value it in the widest view. Similarly nations separated by distance project their sense of a fair go. In the context of the then ties with Britain and Empire and the associated jingoism the impact of forces tramping over borders is also brought closer to home.
    fearlessfly
    18th Jan 2018
    11:09am
    Don't care, when you're retired, every day is a holiday !
    sidney70
    18th Jan 2018
    11:18am
    I can,t understand why we have to change everything just to satisfy the minority. We are trying to appease the minority and they always put up an argument to suit their needs. I am happy to Celebrate Australia Day on 26th January. This is the day we should all celebrate that we are all Australians. What will be next "Christmas, Easter" Wake up Australia,
    maxchugg
    18th Jan 2018
    12:13pm
    And when one objective is achieved there is always another in the wings.
    Christmas has already been targeted, Easter is almost certainly on the hit list, as we have seen with Cadbury no longer selling Easter eggs, just chocolate eggs. Although I prefer to purchase locally, I now buy Lindt choclolates because I know that they do not pay Halal taxes.
    fearlessfly
    18th Jan 2018
    12:19pm
    Get rid of the lot of them, every one of these so called "celebrations" is in reality just a marketing & junk flogging exercise, absolutely disgusting !
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:16pm
    No, fearlessfly. We need to re-establish the original meanings for celebrating those days; and to buck the anti-Christian trend.
    AutumnOz
    18th Jan 2018
    4:07pm
    Agreed Knows-a-lot.
    We also need to stamp out the political correctness that is contributing to racism in this country and helping to destroy the good relations we used to have with refugees and others coming from overseas to settle in Australia.
    It isn't hard all we have top do is treat everyone the same and stop discriminating against anyone a bit different.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    6:47pm
    I partly agree, AutumnOz (about political correctness). But if it were up to me, I'd stop ALL immigration, start deportations (beginning with Muslims) and make refugees return when things are safe. Newcomers are wrecking this once-great nation.
    Leebee
    19th Jan 2018
    9:35am
    Don't worry Fearless, we'll be the minority soon and we can change it all back again! Bahahaha.
    Rosret
    18th Jan 2018
    11:20am
    I am tired of fringe political parties getting so much air time. The Land Council don't even want it changed.
    Is anyone aware that Jesus birthday is not the 25th of December and it is celebrated on a Pagan solstice festival. Easter is actually Passover and Easter, a goddess of the Anglo-Saxons named Eostre, is also a Pagan festival as well.
    Its a date. Its summer and it makes the economy of which the indigenous people share - a lot of money.
    Good grief they came and set up Penal colonies to develop a vast land, No one had a particular good time back then.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:19pm
    "Is anyone aware that Jesus birthday is not the 25th of December and it is celebrated on a Pagan solstice festival."

    Yes - it's the Roman festival of Sol Invictus (the Invincible Sun). A book you might be interested in is Viola & Barna's "Pagan Christianity", which discusses all of this in detail.
    AutumnOz
    18th Jan 2018
    4:08pm
    It was also the birthday of Mithras the god the roman soldiers prayed to for victory.
    FrankC
    18th Jan 2018
    4:24pm
    Also, with the winters in the northern hemisphere, you would not find shepherds sitting out there with their sheep, it was freezing. They brought them in under cover at the end of October and out again at the end of March. Also, by working from the time Jesus' cousin John was born to Elizabeth, Jesus was born in early October.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    6:50pm
    "It was also the birthday of Mithras the god the roman soldiers prayed to for victory. "

    Indeed. The Mithraic cult was the dominant Roman religion at the time of Christ. The name Mithras was chozsen because the numerical value of its Greek letters ("gematria" or "isopsephia") is 365.

    @FrankC. Yes indeed.
    tisme
    18th Jan 2018
    11:21am
    lets change Australia day, lets cancel Queens birthday ( we should lose that if we become a republic thanks' to Charlie and his Hoare. Lets dump Labor day -- not all are recognised as workers in Australia. lets cut Anzac day, why do we need a whole day ?? so people can get drunk , ( they say they do because remembering is so painful). other wars etc. only get 1 minute such things only remind British veterans living in Australia that they aren't really veterans and wonder which country Australia fought for. and for all of it I don't care, caring for family 24/7 is no holiday for me or those like me . while the govt says I don't work.
    Eddy
    18th Jan 2018
    12:40pm
    Tisme, if you cannot spell words like 'whore' correctly then don't use them.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:20pm
    Eddy, I think tisme might have been trying to be polite.
    FEDUP
    18th Jan 2018
    11:24am
    Leave it as 26th January, this is the date that Captain Cook sailed into Botany Bay in 1770.
    If he had not done so at that time, the French who arrived whilst Captain Cook was there, could have claimed it for themselves and named it Nouvelle France. Just like New Caledonia.
    If France had of claimed "Australia" there would not have been one "First Australians" left. History tells us that they the French slaughtered the "First Mexicans" all in the name of Maximillian.
    After Queen Elizabeth 11 passes is sufficient time to change names, but how about we call it Republic Day.
    Allenmack
    18th Jan 2018
    12:11pm
    Have you ever heard of Arthur Phillip???
    Cook was dead and eaten in 1779 well before any settlement happened in Australia.
    Hawkeye
    18th Jan 2018
    1:15pm
    History is not really your strong point, is it, FEDUP
    - Cook landed at Botany Bay on 29 April 1770
    - La Perouse landed at Botany Bay on 26 Jan 1778, almost 8 years after Cook had claimed Australia for England.
    - Philip and the First Fleet arrived at Botany Bay between 18 and 20 Jan 1778, before heading up to Port Jackson.

    Also, considering that it has taken about 500 years to get from QE1 to QE2, I calculate that QE11 won't croak until approximately the year 6518. But, knowing the calibre of our leaders, that's probably still not enough time to sort out a date for Australia Day.
    sidney70
    18th Jan 2018
    11:26am
    While I am at it Captain Cook did not discover NSW Australia. Lieutenant James Cook did. He was not Commissioned a Captain until he got back to UK and was commissioned to sail to Hawaii.
    FrankC
    18th Jan 2018
    4:06pm
    Was just thinking the same thing, Sidney70. Don't the schools teach Australian history. Rob Mundle's book entitled 'Cook" will set these dates straight. Very enlightening book.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Jan 2018
    1:20pm
    FrankC, a school teacher told me she was required to teach that Captain Cook ''invaded'' Australia with ships full of armed soldiers sent to wipe out the existing population. Convicts were also given arms and let loose with instructions to murder any Aboriginal they saw.
    Kathleen
    18th Jan 2018
    11:36am
    Considering most people interviewed had little knowledge of what Australia Day meant it is of little consequence when it is. We are a global world now anyway. It is merely a habit we have become accustomed to and it is not the original one anyway!
    Maybe we should be more concerned about the world issues like the children of Syria or the people fleeing extermination.
    We are lucky to be able to celebrate on any day!
    arbee
    18th Jan 2018
    11:36am
    What more could we expect from you mob of left wing green inclined people running this page. Your reasons are not solid at all when they only represent a very small minority of people, the majority of whom always seem to be out in the forefront of wanting to change our ways of life in Australia. If you look closely, you will also probably find that a majority of sensible thinking Aboriginals also do no want change, it is the radicals who want change (the majority of whom are on government handouts as well)
    I am going to put a few extracts on here from a letter from a woman she regards as a friend to Jacinta Nampijinta Price that she has sent on to Greens leader Di Natale. Jacinta is a well respected Councillor in Alice springs.
    I’ve spent an hour trying to figure out how to start this letter and there’s no easy or good way to start it, I can’t pretty it up and I can’t be sensitive because I’m just so angry.
    Over the last few days we have seen The Greens party cause a huge division between us, Indigenous pitted against Indigenous, Black against whites in what I can say is some of the most vile and racist hate speech I’ve ever seen, those defending the Greens have played right into their hands like the puppets you are, you think you’re smart but you’re not. Have you ever read the story of The Pied piper? The Greens are the piper and you’re the rats.
    I see so much screaming and crying over the date, the 26th of January, the national day of Australia, Australia Day but not the correct date of the first fleet arriving, more fool you. So foolish to believe that the people crying for changing the date actually care about you? They don’t care about you! They care about division, widening the gap not closing it, a fool is easily parted from his family.
    Not once! Not one time have I seen The Greens or labor speak out, not once have I seen you Indigenous cohorts speak out! Not once! You have never spoken out about stopping the violence, stopping the alcoholism, stopping the child abuse and sexual assault, no, you just want to talk about how “White man” has some how oppressed you. Oppressed you? Excuse you! Most of you leading the pack are well educated, had opportunities some of us only dare dreamed about, you manipulate the mobs, especially the ones less educated or fortunate for your own selfish white hating reasons! Shame on you! Shame shame shame!
    I grew up in a violent alcohol fuelled family filled with some of the most abhorrent acts committed upon my mother, upon myself. My childhood wasn’t living, it was surviving from one day to the next. I don’t remember a great Christmas, a birthday that didn’t turn violent a night where I didn’t hide under my blankets hoping that he wouldn’t come into my room. That leads me to ask where were you?
    When I was 6 years old, yes SIX, I had my first nervous breakdown, I couldn’t take it anymore and my mind and body gave up, my soul withered and I was but a shell of my former self, but where were you? Were you speaking up for me? Were you there to stop the real oppression the real danger to my life? A lot of you were children yourself but where were the older ones? The mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles? The politicians? The outstretched hand? No you weren’t there!
    Where were you when I watched my mother get raped and bashed until you couldn’t recognise who she was? Where were you when he held us all hostage and tried to cut our throats? Where were you when I faced an onslaught of sexual abuse? Where were you when he chased us down and tried bashing my mothers head in with a bullroarer? Where were you when almost every night in my house something violent happened? Where were you when he’d sneak into my room like a thief in the night to steal my childhood? Where were you the first time I tried to kill myself aged 9? There’s so much more and it would take me a week to write it down, but where were you? You weren’t there and you still aren’t there! Luckily for me my grandmother was there, eventually my mother threw me away when I was sexually assaulted yet once again, this time by an “uncle” there was more than one offender that hurt me, I lost count, now that’s sad. Can you change all the dates I was hurt?
    I will do another post to finish off this letter as it is so strongly written, soory about the amount of room taken with it
    Not Amused
    18th Jan 2018
    11:56am
    Thank you for posting this. As well, we might ask, how many times do we have to say, "sorry". "Sorry" for things we never did. Many of the children deemed "stolen" were taken from abusive parents/families and given lives of peace and opportunity. White children were also removed from abusive families, and still are yet those kids are not regarded as "stolen". The Greens do nothing but divide on every issue of meaning to all Australians. Di Natale and his minority mob should be asked, "How do you think aboriginal Australians would have done under Japanese conquerors?" It was only a matter of time before this country was going to be settled by a more advanced foreign power following discovery as a largely empty, barren continent. Billions $$$$ have been given to aboriginal programmes - a bottomless pit of welfare that's clearly not benefiting aboriginal culture because no-one seems to know exactly what aborigines need and want. This stupid, infantile debate about Australia Day is dividing our people, upsetting elderly Australians and confusing kids. Di Natale could do us all a favour and go back to practising medicine where he might be of far better use and relevance.
    AutumnOz
    18th Jan 2018
    4:15pm
    arbee, you had an appalling time as a child and I sincerely hope things are better for you now.
    Don't ever again apologise for taking up space to report a wrong that needs righting.....if no-one knows about the wrong nothing can be done to help.
    You are a very brave lady to bring this out in the open.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Jan 2018
    5:56pm
    Thank you for your post, Arbee. It can't be easy to share that information. I feel for you.

    Yes, Not Amsued, white were taken. In fact, whites were STOLEN from good but poor homes and kept apart from family for decades - some never able to reunite because bastard officials refused to allow them access to information. Whites were seriously abused in many cases and their entire lives destroyed.

    Whatever we do, for goodness stop this racist crap about ''Invasion Day''. A handful of soldiers and sailors and a lot of folk in chains and guarded could hardly ''invade'' a country the size of Australia. Yes, down the track there were some hideous atrocities committed. That's part of history for every nation in the world. But white settlement has done a lot of good for Aborigines also, and we should be focusing on the good and on uniting to make things better for all - not arguing over a date! I honestly think racism will get continually worse if there is continued abuse of whites for things that happened in the past over which they had no control. Stop the blame game and be grateful for what is good in life in this country.
    sybilla
    19th Jan 2018
    2:48pm
    Arbee you have shown great courage here. Also great wisdom in seeing this debate for what it is, all smug self-righteousness and double standard.
    Old Man
    18th Jan 2018
    11:39am
    Of course Australia Day was only celebrated in NSW as there was only one state back then; NSW. Records show that 26th January was first celebrated in 1808 although celebrations have been on and off a number of times. Australia Day was always held on the nearest Monday to the 26th January as it was not until late last century that it was decided to raise the importance and hold the celebrations on the actual day.

    I have no thoughts either way on which date Australia Day should be celebrated but I get annoyed when, each year, there is a chorus of complaints with the purpose being to change the date. We are never given a date to use with a sensible reason behind the choice, just a whinge with no substance. It's a safe bet that no matter which date will be chosen, the same chorus of whingers will start up wanting another change.
    arbee
    18th Jan 2018
    11:39am
    Continuation of my earlier post.
    You cry and you scream about changing the date while there are children like me, little boys and girls living the same life I did as a child, living in constant fear of violence and sexual abuse. No, white man didn’t oppress me, white man didn’t commit those repulsive abhorrent acts, white man failed me in the way that he failed to take me and my brother away from my mother. But we mustn’t talk about the real issues effecting the indigenous community to this day! To this very day! Is it racist to speak out? NO! You professional victims cry about a date while real victims suffer horrors only seen in nightmares or in a movie, no, that’s not accurate, the greatest horror writer on the planet would cringe if he heard my story, the story of children still suffering today.
    You say it’s “racist” to even speak of these issues, it’s not racism, it’s realism. I have no time for you and your virtue signalling change the date crap. Your voice is only loud when you want to play the victim. My grandmother an indigenous elder tried so hard to take me off my mother when I was a baby, but no, the authorities wouldn’t do that as it would be racist so they left me to suffer but I didn’t let that stop me, I didn’t let the abuse and poverty get in my way. Yes I did become an alcoholic when I was 13 it was easy to deal with the pain, then one day I woke up, I was 16 I decided I was not going to let the past destroy my future, I swore to myself I would never turn out like my mother, but I did, for 3 brutal years I did, for 3 brutal years I’d send my babies away out of danger so it was only me, was it racism that drove the police and DOCS to threaten to take my babies if I didn’t leave? Was it racism that saw them drag him away so the kids and I could pack and flee? No, that was humanity, that was addressing the issue, racism didn’t play a part, they didn’t see colour, they seen violence and terror the only difference is there was no grog, no drugs, he did it because he enjoyed it.
    So while you’re sitting there with your privilege screaming about changing the date, I’ll be sitting here with no privilege except for what I’ve given to myself and I’ll be speaking out about the real issues and fighting for justice for myself and for every other child that is a mirror of me. Personally I’ll keep the date, some of the good memories I have is from that date, you see I spent most Australia Days with my nan, she would have BBQ’s where family and friends would get togeather and play cricket and laugh, us kids would play and play, I never wanted those days to end. My nan always taught me that it was about unity not division, she taught me not to hate, she told me stories of old passed down and from her own memories, she taught me not to hate the people of today for the sins of yesterday, my nan was all about love and without her I wouldn’t be the strong proud woman I am today. On Australia Day, celebrate don’t hate.
    That’s all I have to say, I’m getting too upset, the memories of the past never fade to a living victim, a real victim, but we go on, stronger louder and prouder.

    This letter very strongly say's what many sensible Aboriginal people are thinking today, change what is happening now ot what happened over 200 years ago. If it wasn't the English who settled here it would have been someone else and then there might not have been any Aboriginals left around today.
    Nika
    18th Jan 2018
    12:07pm
    WOW, We need a strong beautiful woman like her to stand and show what love is. Stop the division and join as one Australia.
    Rae
    18th Jan 2018
    2:26pm
    Thank you arbee for sharing this. You are correct.

    I'm going back to Country next week for Australia Day. We'll have the BBQ together like we always do. Whitefellas and Blackfellas.

    Those trying to tear our Country apart are exhibiting yet another type of violence.

    You are strong Arbee. Most never achieve the strength and character you have. Keep up the fight. You deserve to be very proud indeed.
    arbee
    18th Jan 2018
    3:53pm
    Rae, read my first post as well, it was taken from a woman in Alice Springs who is very outspoken on aboriginal affairs and whom I have the greatest admiration for.
    Rae
    18th Jan 2018
    6:18pm
    Thank you arbee I read the first post. It is good that Aboriginal People are finally speaking up.

    It is time to move forward and change the future instead of this constant use of the past as a distraction.
    Maggie May
    18th Jan 2018
    11:41am
    Let's keep 26 January as Australia Day. We already celebrate Anzac Day (also a public holiday) and Remembrance Day, to honour our forebears and their sacrifices during war. No need to remind us again of war.

    18th Jan 2018
    11:51am
    Let's say if Japan had successfully invaded Australia and declared victory on 24th December 1945......what would be happening now regarding Australia Day?

    Well, we'd be celebrating Australia Day every 24th of December. But, but, but some of those politically correct white people would be complaining as usual and calling it "invasion day" and campaigning for a date change. Hey look, due to Japan winning the war we ended up way more prosperous with lots of money, huge cities, stable government (based on Japan's model), great economy etc etc etc ..... sure, sure, sure we know they massacred, dispossessed and enslaved those white people here and decimated their culture.....but, but, but the white folks overall are now pretty much equal to the invaders. These current white folks should be extremely grateful for the invasion (oops I mean takeover) as they are quite well off (even though the white infant mortality rate is very high, and the white life expectancy is quite low and white people get imprisoned about 20 times as much as those wonderful Japanese Australians).

    So come on you politically correct whities, be grateful for the invasion (oops I mean takeover) and stop trying to change Australia away from it's rightful date of 24th of December......after all it wasn't "really" a Japanese "invasion"...... they were just coming here to help us poor, underprivileged white people. Be grateful.

    We've celebrated 24th December as Australia Day for so long now. Let's not let the politically correct white folks change it.

    May God bless Japan and it's wonderful colony of Australia.
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2018
    12:00pm
    If it wasn't the Japanese who invaded (oops I mean settled) here it would have been someone else and then there might not have been any white folks left around today. So be eternally grateful you politically correct white folks and stop trying to change our wonderful Australia Day away from the glorious 24th of December.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:30pm
    If the Japs had conquered Australia, in 2018 there'd be very few White Australians or Aborigines. It'd be coast-to-coast Japanese.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Jan 2018
    6:03pm
    The Japs would have massacred all Aborigines - and that's not a racist statement. Just a fact. Aborigines should be grateful that so many Australian made the ultimate sacrifice to save our country from Japanese takeover.

    They should also be grateful for the enormous amount of taxpayer money allocated to giving them special benefits that even the most disadvantaged whites cannot access. And for land rights that enable them to collect mega-millions in royalties from lands whites could have simply kept for themselves, since we ''invaded'' and won.

    Why can't we just get along and focus on the future instead of carrying on about the past and distorting history? Half of the nonsense being sprouted in support of changing the date is untrue anyway. History is being altered to suit a handful of radicals and the result can only make racism much, much worse.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    6:52pm
    Wow! I wholeheartedly concur with all of that, Rainey.
    sidney70
    18th Jan 2018
    11:52am
    To Arbee post. Thank you for sharing that. We have it so good we forget sometimes that there is people out there suffering. I applaud you for sharing that letter with us. I feel ashamed that she suffered so much and we did not help. I agree with everything she said. I would personally say sorry to her.
    Not a Bludger
    18th Jan 2018
    11:57am
    Stop this revisionist history, live with the facts as they were and leave things as they are - and this includes Turnbull and his beloved Republic.
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:31pm
    It's time we dumped the Royal Parasites and became a Republic.
    Charlie
    18th Jan 2018
    12:01pm
    Leave it alone,don't change it for anything or anybody. If keeping it offends a minority of people, just think how much changing it will offend the majority.

    There seems to be some strange notion in Australia that white people can't be discriminated against and the anti discrimination law is only for blacks?

    When the first fleet arrived in Australia the aboriginal people were wearing animal skins and sleeping on the ground beside a fire. There were no sheep to make wool for clothes, no cattle for beef, no horses for transport, No farming to make flour for bread, no metal tools, no medical treatment, no central form of government, no written records.
    Apart from all of the negative things we are hearing about white settlement, the aboriginals gained a lot by way of food and technology and improved lifestyle for those who wanted to make the effort to apply it, certainly enough to be celebrating Australia Day.

    All of the fuss that is being made over MABO, it is quite clear that there is one thing that it was not, that is, a process to give Australia back to the Aboriginals. Most of the land rights were about land use agreements not land ownership. It was to do with the preserving aboriginal traditions and culture before they were all forgotten.

    Its time for the Aboriginal people and their radical supporters, had a good think about where this is going in the long term. Are they going to be Australians first, or are they going to be some elite group the government gives money to all the time. At the moment they are headed for a divided nation, so if they think they are going to get some compensation for changes due to white settlement that happened 200 years ago, I think they've got Buckleys chance.
    PlanB
    18th Jan 2018
    12:08pm
    Quite frankly I could not give a tuppeny about A D -- stay off the roads and stay out of the heat
    margie
    18th Jan 2018
    12:09pm
    It will never matter what date is chosen, there will always be those who for whatever reason will find something to complain about. For those that are truly concerned about the aboriginal people, how about getting involved in the education, medical issues etc, far more important than going on about something that happened so long ago. Mr Warren Mundine himself has said this is a divisive issue and there are far more pressing issues. Why can't people listen to someone such as Mundine who has integrity and genuine concern for aboriginal and the rest of Australia. It seems to me that people jump on bandwagons like this one to demonstrate (without actually doing anything) just how 'touchy, feely' they are. Leave the day alone.
    Grammargirl
    18th Jan 2018
    12:26pm
    Why have a public holiday for Australia Day or any other day? All of us can go to work on each of the 365 or 366 days each year. No sentiment over Christmas and Easter - justa keep on workin' guys! Then we won't have to put up with any changes to anything!
    MON
    18th Jan 2018
    12:39pm
    The debate will never be settled while ever journalist push the agenda. Yep, journalist who listen and report on negative voices who generally don't contribite to the greater good pf this great nation. Show me where in the world nations weren't settled in some form of aggression: you can't, because at some point all nations have been settled and there was aggression. I am not embarrassed about the establishment of the convict/penal colony of New South Wales and Van Diemans land which were the foundation stones of modern Australia. Time we all sat down and agreed a Republic needs to happen and the establishment of Republic day replacing Australia day, of course the unions will want to maintain the January holiday and grab the advantage of a new public holiday. When should that be? In early Autumn or late Spring to ensure all Australian states can celebrate Republic day and we should set the date as the first Monday in a specific month.
    Rae
    19th Jan 2018
    9:02am
    Possibly so but the changes to the Constitution will need to be carefully constructed as right now it's the only thing protecting us.

    We will also have to spend a lot more on our Navy if we give up the Commonwealth Protection of the British Fleet.

    It will be very expensive. We may not be able to afford a holiday. There are very few well off and successful Republics in the world.

    Then again we could have taken down the government with a coup or two and avoided a lot of the idiot decisions as it is pretty easy to do that in a Republic.

    All so we can have a President as a ribbon cutter instead of a Governor General.
    Jenny
    18th Jan 2018
    12:46pm
    Why not go back to the last Monday in January as it used to be? I don't recall any problems when that was the arrangement. We got our long weekend and could celebrate in any way we chose, and the fact that it wasn't set in stone that it had to be the 26th seemed to please everybody.
    Rae
    18th Jan 2018
    2:41pm
    Yes. We could call it Back to School Weekend and have term 1 start the next day.

    Until we can unite again even considering having a National Day is ridiculous. We are a divided Nation thanks to the media and minority groups all aiming for a bit of the limelight.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    21st Jan 2018
    8:05am
    I think it suits the government's agenda for us to be divided, Rae. Their worst nightmare is a population united in its demand for responsible government that prioritizes the national interest. ''Divide and conquer'' has always been the advice given to leaders, and our current mob do it brilliantly.
    The Librarian
    18th Jan 2018
    12:57pm
    It should be changed to the only appropriate day 22nd August when Cook claimed possession of the East Coast at Possession Island. What has the founding of one of the colonies got to do with Australia- arrival in NSW 18th January or proclamation of the Colony of NSW 7th February are related to NSW only
    Jim
    18th Jan 2018
    1:01pm
    What an absolute load of rubbish, the whole argument is about whether some people think that the 26th is considered to be invasion day and is offensive to aboriginals, it's seems to be more about some people with an axe to grind about anything in our country that represents our Anglo Saxon heritage, get over it, the British white settlement happened, that is a fact that can never be changed, were aboriginals affected by this settlement absolutely they were, but they were affected every day after Cook first landed here, so any day out of the 365/366 we have every year is a reminder that is the day that aboriginals became disadvantaged, just as an aside I have been reading about the history of the Illawarra, one part of the history related to two aboriginal tribes that fought over the area, one of the tribes was obliterated by the other, I think the victor was someone called King something or other I can't remember the details or even it is true, but if it is then the suggestion is that it wasn't just the white's that were wiping the aboriginals out, but 200 or 2000 years ago things like that would have been considered normal. None of that makes what happened to aboriginals acceptable, but there has to be a time when these things have to be put behind us and we have to forge a new future for everyone, changing dates will never address the problems of the past, but it might make a few white's with a political agenda feel better about themselves, I know it's only the greens and a few lefties that are stirring the pot, but we have to remember the greens are largely irrelevant so it's ok to ignore them, I think they do more harm to any attempts to bring people together but that is their main aim to cause disruption.
    Paulo
    18th Jan 2018
    1:24pm
    It does not matter what date is chosen, those who currently do not agree for nefarious reasons will not agree and will continue to object. Conciliation between these extremist will not occur until they recognise that the current population was not responsible for the "sins of our father's", and move on. The world has forgiven, but not forgotten the extreme atrocities of Germany and Japan in World War II, why is it so hard for the extremist in Australia, to move on, given the number of national public political apologies. If we need cohesion as a country, we do not need the divisive program sponsored by the Greens and political motivated part aboriginals
    dick
    18th Jan 2018
    1:36pm
    50 years ago we didn't hear about this rubbish of changing the date.. 10yrs ago we didn't hear about changing the date.. but all of a sudden very vocal minority groups with nothing better to do are making a big noise about changing the date.. why?!! .. many senior indigenous Australians don't want the date changed. In Northern Australia the indigenous like to celebrate Australia Day as an acknowledgement of everything great about Australia.
    On Australia Day how many are celebrating the landing of Captain Cook ??!!..ask around you wouldn't find too many !! not me or my friends and family.. we are celebrating being Australian and the freedoms we enjoy.
    Kaz
    18th Jan 2018
    2:50pm
    I agree - I note most people are just proud to be Australians, even young ones who haven’t always been interested. They aren’t celebrating Captain Cook discovering this land. They just want to express pride and happiness at being here and while I can’t speak for them, many Indigenous peoples disagree on what we should do so just discuss when we change to a republic :)
    Rae
    19th Jan 2018
    9:08am
    Not just in Northern Australia dick. Country Australians have always loved Australia Day and the traditional smoking ceremony, BBQs and cricket game or hanging out by the creek.

    A bit of a do before the kids go back to school and people really settle into the new working year.

    What would the new chums like these Green city dwellers know anyway. Most have never crossed the mountains.
    Hawkeye
    23rd Jan 2018
    12:27am
    Dick, you're another one who hasn't got a clue about our history.
    Australia Day has got nothing to do with James Cook.
    It commemorates the landing at Sydney Cove in Port Jackson of Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet to establish the first European settlement in Australia
    Chris B T
    18th Jan 2018
    1:37pm
    There is 364.25 days per year none of which would be suitable for those oppose to it being
    26 Jan each year.
    So I Propose 29 Feb so only once every 4 years for Australia Day as Mythical Day of Discovery as It was known and occupied. Just someone had nothing better to do, to go sailing and check this Southern Land out and claim it as an outpost to the British Colony.
    The Rest Is Just Bull and History.
    (;-(O)
    Chris B T
    18th Jan 2018
    1:58pm
    PS 365.25 days
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:33pm
    PPS: 365.2422 solar days.
    Daggsey
    18th Jan 2018
    2:04pm
    Leave it where it is,I have gone through my life celebrating Australia Day on the 26TH of January. Where does it stop,we talk of bullying to me this is what this is,what will they want to change next,Easter Christmas etc; Let"s celebrate who we are and what has been achieved. Stop letting these people change our traditions. Daggsey.
    mogo51
    18th Jan 2018
    2:38pm
    Leave it all alone, tell the minority groups to bugger off.
    Kaz
    18th Jan 2018
    2:43pm
    Let’s not change the day until we become a republic, then change it to that day.
    Bellbird
    18th Jan 2018
    2:58pm
    I am a direct descendant of a first fleet convict. This bloke was sent in chains to the other side of the world ostensibly for seven years, but in fact never to return, for stealing a cloth coat. His wife - a later convict - got the same for supposedly stealing a sheet. Why on earth are we continuing to celebrate the founding of a brutal convict system on our shores? Add to that of course, that the settlement was illegal, being on territory owned and operated by aboriginal peoples who had been here for 65,000 years. Let's have a day that we can all celebrate: my choice actually would be Wattle Day on 1 September, but let us stop the mindless chest beating and ditch 26 January right now.
    arbee
    18th Jan 2018
    3:47pm
    Bellbird, best place for you to go to would be back from where your descendants were transported from, they would probably appreciate you now a lot more than most of us here would, and take your opinions with you as well.
    AutumnOz
    18th Jan 2018
    4:25pm
    Bellbird, my ancestor was transported for a small offence, he was 15 years old and sent to Botany Bay for seven years, probably because he was an orphan and had no-one to stand up for him.
    He served his sentence, acquired land, a wife and children and built a nice living for himself and for the aboriginal tribe in his area, according to his diary there was none of the black/white hatred we hear so much about these days nor was there any abuse on either side.
    The black folk and the white folk worked together to create a nicer world for both of them and each taught the other to live in peace.
    BTW I do not approve of 1 September as I already have Father's Day screwing up my birthday celebrations and can do without another occasion taking it over as well.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Jan 2018
    6:08pm
    Similarly my partner's ancestor, Autumn Oz. Served his time, got a land grant, had a family, and became very affluent.

    A friend's grandfather was involved heavily in child removal and declared that most of the Aboriginal children removed by the organization he worked with were actually mixed blood children rejected by their own tribe. How they came to be mixed blood raises questions, but he says many women admitted to sleeping voluntarily with white men, especially wealthy ones. Many of those so-called ''stolen' kids would have died in the bush if not taken. They were actually ''rescued''. Also many were rescued from abusive families or parents who neglected them appallingly. I've met several who said being taken was a wonderful blessing. They were fostered to good homes and given a great life. Even some who stayed in institutions admit to being better off than if they'd been left with family.
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2018
    7:25pm
    It's a good thing my ancestors started to arrive here in the 1850's to relieve your penal ancestors of a terrible burden - mine were all free settlers.
    Rosret
    18th Jan 2018
    9:17pm
    Bellbird if you choose to find fault you will find it on any day of the year. The world has been turning a long time and something horrible has happened on everyday. Equally something good has happened and you are the beneficiary of what your forefathers endured.
    So indeed, the 26th is a day you should actually say thank you for the very privileged life you have today.
    eggles01
    19th Jan 2018
    12:12am
    it is people like you with your foul ideas that will set back the rights and understanding of the Aboriginals and the White man coming together with one mind, while you and others like you think your way there will never be any sort of reconciliation!!
    eggles01
    19th Jan 2018
    12:23am
    Bellbird,do you not know that nobody can make you enjoy Australia Day,better still you can always join into a new religion that also have your thoughts,"Down with Australia"
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Jan 2018
    7:29am
    Actually, Bellbird (and very regrettably), it's those ranting as you do who will stop reconciliation. Modern Australia has worked very hard toward reconciliation, and all we get for it is abuse and shouts for more. Now Aboriginals are demanding we forfeit our own culture completely and publicly acknowledge a very shameful heritage (whereas most of us have a proud heritage and many of our forefathers suffered as badly or worse than any Aboriginal!).

    The reverse racism has reached epic proportions. We have huge unfairness to disadvantaged whites, while even the most privileged Aboriginals receive generous benefits. I stopped listening to the radio because I got fed up with the constant abuse and denigration of whites by a disgustingly racist Aboriginal who - by the way - got free education and free legal protection that my family, despite suffering far more disadvantage than he could even imagine, got NOTHING.

    I work with whites who were STOLEN from good, loving, but very poor homes and disconnected from family for decades - sometimes for life - yet they are being told they should ''shut up'' because they are ''stealing sympathy from Aboriginals''.

    Get over it. We ARE one Australia. For better or for worse, this country was taken over by whites, and now we are a multi-cultural society due to immigration. And as the song says, ''we are one, but we are many. We are Australian.'' Stop whinging and bellyaching and making unfair demands and you will find reconciliation will progress very much faster. If you continue the whining and insulting people you are going to turn a lot of people against Aboriginals.
    moama jock
    18th Jan 2018
    3:03pm
    Forget the ABC bleeding hearts and do gooders. LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
    Moama Jock
    Knows-a-lot
    18th Jan 2018
    3:13pm
    Make it on 18 January, as you suggest. And bugger the whinging from the Aborigines, who are a conquered race that need to get with the program (or die out).
    AutumnOz
    18th Jan 2018
    4:03pm
    Why change the date of Australia Day?
    Or if it is changed go back to the Monday following the last weekend in January as we used to do years ago before the 26th was chipped into stone for some reason.
    It is not a day to divide Australians and push them even further apart than the various pollies are trying to do but a day of unity for all of us.
    It is not Invasion Day or any other politically correct thing anyone likes to call it, the whole idea of Australia Day is for all Australians, old, new, black, white, european, asian or any mixture of races to get together and enjoy themselves.
    I am heartily sick of the artificial racism that is being practiced by some and is helping to destroy the trust we used to have in each other regardless of colour or race.
    roughie
    18th Jan 2018
    4:14pm
    A middle of Winter date doesn't really fit with current Australia day celebrations - BBQ's at the beach in Winter?????
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Jan 2018
    6:45pm
    I got to know one of the more vocal activists screaming for Australia Day to be changed, as well as for more land rights and a thousand other indulgences. This fellow went on the attack against an author who wrote about disadvantaged whites, calling the author a liar and claiming the book was written to ''steal sympathy from Aborigines'' and ''misrepresent history''.

    Some investigation into his background revealed he was whiter than white, blue-eyed and blonde (though claiming Aboriginal heritage). He was living in Canada and running a very prosperous flying school.

    Further investigation revealed he got the money to set up the business from a part-Aboriginal father who was entrusted with millions in Govt money intended as ''compensation'' to be shared among Aboriginals who met a particular criteria. Conveniently, the father couldn't find anyone who actually met the criteria, so he gave half the money to his business partner and half of his share to his son to set up business in Canada. The son is university educated, grew up in a very affluent home, and is now very wealthy, but he's bellyaching constantly about ''white crimes'' and ''racism''. He insists Australia Day should be on Mabo Day and be changed to a celebration of Aboriginals finally winning land rights.
    arbee
    18th Jan 2018
    8:33pm
    Unfortunately too much of this has happened with aboriginal government grants. If all of the billions wasted had been put to proper use we would not have the trouble we do now.
    alinejordan
    18th Jan 2018
    7:08pm
    OMG this is like the debate for marriage equality all over again, the fear mongers and conservative mob suggesting that we'd want to marry our dogs and cats next.. why can't debates remain within the reasonable parameter instead of always run off into the ludicrous??
    Charlie
    18th Jan 2018
    7:58pm
    The fear mongers and conservatives suggested there may be problems with free speech and here it is already. Opening a public speech at the Commonwealth games with Ladies and Gentlemen is now deemed to offend trans-sexuals....Don't worry marrying cats and dogs is on its way.
    Rosret
    18th Jan 2018
    9:28pm
    Yep - its OK though. Soon we will be a minority and we can start to demand a voice too.
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2018
    7:14pm
    New South Wales WAS Australia then.... 26th January is just fine.

    All other opinions are duly noted, and we will now move on toe celebrate Australia Day on 26th January.

    As for Bill shorten's 'respecting' other views - shake them by the hand and move on - this would have to be THE non-issue of the century.

    And yes - I will be flying the Australian Flag on that day - just to spite all the nay-sayers....
    Tommo
    18th Jan 2018
    9:19pm
    For Gods sake - leave things alone - these lefty requests for change are driving us bloody mad. Labor, Greens, and all you self righteous gits - two words " PISS OFF " and let us get on with how this great country has run for centuries.
    eggles01
    19th Jan 2018
    12:04am
    I am 75yrs and probably my best friend was an aboriginal elder from the Nambucca Mob,he was also,as he put it,the witch doctor and was approx 12 months younger than me,he and his partner were heavy drinkers,when he had had a belly full he would hang over my shoulder and preach to me just how badly the whites had and was still treating them so badly,one night when he was a bit soberer than usual I said to him,when you and or your family remove your clothes and reject and throw away everything that the white man has given and made available to the Aboriginal people and set off into the Australian outback and fend for themselves for their housing,their food and everything they would need only then and only then I would stand up and agree that they would be better off if the white man had never set foot into their country,everything suddenly went quiet and I was preparing myself as I thought he was going to hit me,instead he turned and without a sound went to bed,I turned up the next day and when I went in he just stood there and just looked at me and went into the kitchen and made 3 cups of coffee and when we sat down he said I was a bastard with what I had said to him last night because he now had a complete different view on his life and he really did not realize how well off he was with what the white man had provided and given them,he never complained about the white man again,the problem these days is "I want""I want"and no thank you for what you have given us in the past
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Jan 2018
    7:13am
    Yes, eggles01. I've said this often. There is a lot of unused land in Australia that Aboriginals claim to have lived on in the past. If they are so upset at the white man's way of life, why don't they go out there and live as they used to? Oh, that's right. Because they won't give up their welfare cheques. And isn't it funny how they resent whites so very much, but they are always screaming for more handouts from the taxpayer.

    Those who decided to be grateful for today's Australia - and there are a great many of them - have generally done very well for themselves. There are plenty who are professionals, running businesses, etc. and living a happy life. And sadly, a lot who are struggling are their own worst enemies. There's a lot of help available for them, but they have to do their part.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Jan 2018
    7:14am
    A friend was building a house and needed excavation done. The excavator was a lovely Aboriginal man. He refused payment for the job because the customer had suffered major disadvantage as a child and young adult and was really struggling to make a better life for his family. The Aboriginal declared ''The government paid for my machinery and to get me started in business. You were far, far more disadvantaged than me, yet you get nothing because you are a whitey. How can I charge you? That would be very unfair and uncharitable of me.''
    4b2
    20th Jan 2018
    12:24pm
    Rainey, such BS from one so enlightened. Australia was settled and built by convicts. The British Government thugs pushed the local people out of sight so they wouldn't have to make a treaty or pay compensation for the land. Now the taxpayer in Australia (Not British taxpayers are paying for their mistakes).

    AS Ned said such is life!
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    21st Jan 2018
    8:03am
    It's not BS, 4b2. This is NOW... TODAY! Not generations ago. And comparing the people concerned, one (the white) WASwas hideously disadvantaged and a victim of grave injustice, and the Aboriginal grew up in an affluent household and was funded into business by the government - solely because he was Aboriginal. Not because he needed help anymore than three-quarters of the population, but ONLY because of his race. Whereas the white man suffered entirely unaided. Recognizing that, the Aboriginal did him a good turn. More power to him. If there was a lot less bitterness and anger about history and a lot more recognition of the conditions that exist today - and the fact that generations of whites have suffered a lot of hardship too - reconciliation would proceed much more smoothly and rapidly.

    The British government has much to answer for, but it persecuted whites just as badly as Aboriginals in many cases. And as time moved on, a great many whites have suffered terrible injustice and major disadvantage. My question is ''Why is assistance not need based instead of face based?'' It would stop a lot of resentment, and it would shift the focus from whining about claimed historical crimes to working together to make better Australia.
    Alufool
    19th Jan 2018
    7:22am
    I am always happy to point out to my QLD and Vic friends that they are celebrating NSW Foundation Day and that we don't have a VIC or QLD day.
    On the Ball
    19th Jan 2018
    9:46am
    Definitely!
    Or at least change it to any other date.
    When are we Australians going to finally break away from our Pommie forebears?
    Why after more than 200 years are we still tied to the Mother England?
    Even our flag has a bit of England in it!
    Rae
    19th Jan 2018
    12:11pm
    You can't change history even if you have been indoctrinated by a heap of propaganda.
    eggles01
    19th Jan 2018
    6:33pm
    I agree with Rae
    bob menzies
    19th Jan 2018
    9:48am
    could not care less - this issue gets raised even January then disappears until next year - only a very vocal minority want to change it and they. would find reason to complain no matter day was chosen - saw someone write the other day - give them 31Feb - thought that was funny
    JAID
    19th Jan 2018
    4:34pm
    Aboriginal Australians have been variously very badly treated, well treated and treated both malicious and to well-meaning failures.

    The sense of difference which culture, wealth, poverty, training, ill treatment, colour and any number of other differences can engender simply builds to a sub-cultural humour which obscures racism, ageism or any other ism which may be at play. Just as mainstream individuals have difficulty separating the myth and the useless from the fact, the useful and potential so do the minorities.

    What this country should celebrate are the massive steps we have made toward equity and togetherness and our potential future in greater unity.

    It makes not one iota of difference what day of the week, month or year it is held.

    If a day can be seen to celebrate the downtreading of a people it can also just as easily be seen as signifying the conjunction of peoples and the hope of one nation.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    20th Jan 2018
    8:05am
    Not by radicals whose objective is to cause disharmony and upset, Jaid. The bottom line, I believe, is that they are just out to cause distress. The ''cause'' doesn't matter. Any gripe will do, as long as it's something to shout and bellyache about and disrupt peace and harmony.
    On the Ball
    19th Jan 2018
    5:51pm
    Let's think about it. Jan 26th just happened to be when some Pom got off his ship and said this is where we will put our scum. (Convicts).

    Why not January 1st when we became a proper nation and all the separate states became one country?

    Surely that's more appropriate?
    Rosret
    20th Jan 2018
    7:16am
    On the Ball - this is where history doesn't tell the tale. It wasn't scum they was put on the Australian shores. It was as many fit healthy men they could use to develop a new land.
    They couldn't take just anyone so they found easy targets in those thieving for food.
    When the potato famine hit in 1840s they no longer needed to enlist convicts as the new tenant farmers were happy to work just as hard to put food on their plate.
    Kathleen
    20th Jan 2018
    11:35am
    So much ignorance! I may have agreed if I had not studied Australian history and Aboriginal history. 26th January is about feelings and emotions, not an issue!
    Imagine someone came to your home and killed off most of your extended family and then subjugated you and any remaining family. Your language is no good, your religion is no good, you are no good!
    Now, pick yourself up and don’t feel compromised in any way, just be thankful we give you stuff and allow you live!
    A few of your family members manage to do well, become educated, become an actor, a politician across the centuries.
    But you never feel wholly accepted and sometimes you are sad!
    You never feel understood.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    20th Jan 2018
    5:17pm
    Millions around the world have similar stories, Kathleen, for varying reasons. We have two choices: get on with life and appreciate and be grateful for the good in it, or spread hatred and anger and misery.
    We've done a great deal by way of attempted reparation and compensation - far more than most nations have done for conquered people. And the efforts continue. We can't turn back the clock. We can't undo what was done. But Aboriginals can foster discrimination and resentment that will make for ongoing misery. Or they can get on with life and appreciate the good things modern Australia has given them.
    4b2
    20th Jan 2018
    12:16pm
    I would like a return to a long week end for Australia Day like it was before the Silver Budgie changed it. I am confused what it stands for;
    Captain Cooks discovery? The arrival of the first boat people (all convicts by the way, wouldn't pass the test today). Or the celebration of the formation of the Commonwealth of Australia.
    Any way all public holidays should be moved to long week ends including Anzac Day Christmas day and any other public holiday. We should even move the Melbourne Cup to a Friday or a Monday and make it a National public holiday.
    Gardengirl
    20th Jan 2018
    2:17pm
    Has Leon Della Bosca read any early history or newspapers? "Brutal"? what a nonsense. Has he read the history of the world and compared that with settling Australia? I presume he has Italian ancestry - read up on the hordes who when through there and he'll know the Brits were rather tame.
    Sure, looking backwards bring on nostalgia for some of the aboriginies but it's mainly the Europeans who sow the seeds of dissention. If the Brits hadn't settled the country it would not have been long before another nation had. All these triendies should wake up and grow up.
    the_Albert
    22nd Jan 2018
    4:27pm
    Sure. Widespread massacres aren't brutal. Or if they are, other colonisers would have killed many more people than the Brits did. So that's alright then ...
    ronloby
    20th Jan 2018
    4:34pm
    The actual Day the Commission and all Legal rights were read was the 7 February 1788. On the 26th Jan 1788 they were still trying to build shelters for all. People must read The Expedition to Botany Bay by Watkin Tench and Phillips own record of events.
    Fready
    20th Jan 2018
    6:07pm
    Think of the problems that would have been solved if "Settlement Day" had actually been "Invasion Day".
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    21st Jan 2018
    5:54pm
    Let's put things in perspective. All these days are set aside for Aboriginals in Australia:

    13th February - National Apology Day
    19th March - Close the Gap Day
    21st March - Harmony Day
    26th May - National Sorry Day
    3rd June - Mabo Day
    27th May to 3rd June - Reconciliation Week
    1st Week of July - NAIDOC Week
    4th August - National Aboriginal Children's Day
    9th August - International Day of World's Indigenous People
    5th September - Indigenous Literacy Day

    Yet some want to take away the one day we all celebrate being Australian.
    the_Albert
    22nd Jan 2018
    4:37pm
    The dominant view on the "white/green/pinko lefty schmuck" side is that the date should be changed, not that Australia Day should be abolished. Let's have a date which doesn't cause so much anguish to so many people.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    22nd Jan 2018
    9:43pm
    Why would it cause anguish, the_Albert. I haven't yet heard a single logical and common sense reason to object to the date. ''Invasion Day'? What utter garbage! A handful of soldiers and sailors and a boat load of people in chains and suffering beatings, and how many of them even knew there was any habitation beyond those few who happened to be at the landing site?
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    22nd Jan 2018
    9:43pm
    Any excuse will do to stir upset and create racial tension, I fear.
    the_Albert
    22nd Jan 2018
    11:13pm
    I dunno, Rainey old boy. Whether you can see a valid reason or not, the fact is that many indigenous people DO reject 26 January and all it stands for in terms of leading to their people's disadvantage and degradation. White folks might think they're being silly, or delusional, but I really don't think you're in a position to tell them how they ought to react. A few soldiers and sailors and convicts weren't actually invading the country in the sense of a military incursion, but they landed and claimed the territory for the Crown and began a settlement which in due course dispossessed the indigenous inhabitants, often with extreme violence. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that aboriginal people might regard the whole thing as offensive - and for Australians generally to think they're right. And then all you can do is proclaim it's just an excuse to stir upset and create racial tension. Pathetic.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    23rd Jan 2018
    8:53am
    Okay, the_Albert. Here's a compromise. Since it's so ''offensive'' to Aboriginals for us to celebrate the birth of a nation that is handing out to them in bucket loads, how about we do deal. We'll change the date of Australia Day, and cancel ALL welfare and benefits to Aboriginals. Clearly, we should not have come here and they don't want what we have to offer, so let's stop giving it to them.

    I'm fed up with this BS about ''racial tension'' while I see white families deprived and huge handouts to people who have no need whatever, simply because of the colour of their skin, and then they whine and bleat and accuse us - who are supporting their lifestyle - of all sorts of hideous crimes. Funny, it seems hardly ever the disadvantaged Aboriginals kicking up protests!

    Yes, our ancestors came here and settled. And they bought with them the energy, knowledge and skills to build a nation that is now extending enormous benefits to the descendants of those who were here before. I don't see Aboriginals wanting to return to their earlier way of life. No! The whingers want more and more handouts to live in the white community, while denigrating us and screaming that we have no right to celebrate our heritage and enjoy our customs. And the silent majority just want to get on with enjoying the benefits white settlement has given them.

    Read what Arbee has to say. Read the post from Eggles01. I also know many Aboriginals who are furious with the nut-jobs who are stirring up anger and destroying the harmony many have worked so hard to achieve. It's the whingers demanding everything change to suit their radical agenda who are causing racial tension.

    Every nation in the world has aspects of their history that are sad and shameful, and descendants of people who suffered hurt and injustice. Changing dates won't fix that. But radical demands for trivial changes and whining about the past will distract from investing in building a future that will benefit all.

    If anyone finds Australia Day celebrations offensive, don't participate. Or go out of your way to find a reason why you SHOULD celebrate the occasion. There's good and bad in everything. It's all a question of which you choose to focus on.
    Gardengirl
    21st Jan 2018
    7:16pm
    You are on the money Rainey. A great Uncle of mine - who lived in the Gulf - said that the tribes did not want children with any white blood. They would prick the umbilicus then put the new baby on an ant heap. The Protector of Aboriginals would try and save as many as they could. The trendies in the cities no nothing of Aboriginal history.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    22nd Jan 2018
    8:39am
    There has been a great deal of distortion of history for political purposes. Some of what is now claimed to be history is total fiction - invented to satisfy some political objective or gain sympathy or admiration for some individual or group. And some of it is just biased - because everyone who records anything has a perspective determined by their upbringing and past experiences and that perspective influences the way they see an event or events.

    As an example, a particular soldier who has been presented as a national hero - one of our most famous, so I don't name him - was well known to many men I know. They served under him. All said he was a bastard and a coward and he claimed credit for things others did. Evidently, he was very cunning at writing reports to make it look like he was the hero. Now historians are lauding him, and future generations will never know the truth.

    A friend of one of my children was studying modern aboriginal history at university. She told us about an essay she was writing. My partner said ''But that's not right. This is not the dim distant past. I was there. I saw it first hand. That's not what happened.''

    The girl replied, ''I know. I've heard your story, and others, and I believe you. But if I tell it that it really was, I'll fail. The professor insists it was the way it's told in the lessons and nobody is allowed to argue.''
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    23rd Jan 2018
    9:12am
    Can we please stop putting energy into STUPID TRIVIAL CRAP like changing the date of a celebration and focus on solving some of the real problems this society faces. When there are enough jobs for everyone who wants one, all paid adequately to ensure a comfortable lifestyle for families; when every aged, sick and disabled person has a guaranteed income adequate to fund a comfortable lifestyle; when everyone has access to adequate health care; when terrorism and violent crime is eliminated; when sexual abuse has been stamped out; when there are no children living in poverty or being abused or neglected; when racism has been eliminated; when everyone can access the education and skills training they desire... maybe THEN we can worry about stupid trivia like whether a handful are ''offended'' by us celebrating the birth of our nation. Meanwhile, let's celebrate centuries of progress that have yielded major benefits for all Australians, and focus our energy on continuing that progress and solving the REAL problems in our society.

    Nothing can change the fact that the white man came and settled this country. We have bent over backwards to compensate and make reparation in a thousand different ways. Irrational demands and angry accusations can only destroy the racial harmony that has grown. A great many of us are thoroughly fed up with the whining and complaining of a vocal minority who queue up for handouts and then spit in our faces.

    Yes, the white man settled Australia - for better or for worse. The white man also fought and died to defend Australia from settlement by others, some of whom might have treated Aboriginals far worse than we have. The white man built mines and tourist facilities that generate billions in income - and GAVE them to Aboriginals, who in some cases don't even let the white man enter to enjoy the natural beauty of his own country - the land he and his forebears were born in and worked for decades to contribute to. The white man pays taxes to fund dozens of welfare and benefit programs for Aboriginals. The white man works to find ways to preserve and honour Aboriginal culture and tradition. The white man has legislated to give Aboriginals land rights.

    So how about, on Australia Day, the whining minority forget about feeling ''offended'' and join the majority in saying 'thank you' for the good things about white settlement of Australia? Otherwise, it's just possible some of the ''offended'' white community might start demanding we take some of the goodies away from the ungrateful whingers. It hasn't been all good for whites either. Many of our ancestors suffered hideously, and many whites still suffer major disadvantage and injustice - only they don't get the benefits extended to Aboriginals. And nobody cares what celebrations offend them!

    Give it a rest. It's stirring up resentment and its creating racial tension. And the majority of decent, hard-working Aboriginals don't give a hoot about changing a date. They just want what the rest of us want - safety, good health care, education, and financial security to enjoy a comfortable life.
    the_Albert
    23rd Jan 2018
    1:03pm
    Rainey, I remind you again: the only issue in this debate is whether to change the date, not whether to abolish Australia Day and celebrate everything that's good about this place. Why is it stupid trivial crap to consider a simple procedure which would lessen the hurt many people feel about the "invasion" and promote good relations between the indigenous and non-indigenous communities? Why can't we change the date as well as dealing with the "real problems"? No one is trying to change the historical facts, no one is denying the good things that British settlement brought, no one doubts that all of us want safety, good health care, education and financial security. Why are you so offended by the simple suggestion that the date be changed? Why do you feel it appropriate to use insulting terms like "whining minority" and "ungrateful whingers"? Don't you think it might be the furious reactions of yourself and others on this site who are more responsible for stirring up resentment and creating racial tension than those of us who just want to change a date?
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    23rd Jan 2018
    1:52pm
    the_Albert, why is it stupid trivial crap to consider a simple procedure which would lessen the hurt...

    Because it's BS. That's why. Changing a date isn't going to achieve anything except satisfy a few radical ratbag whiners who just want to cause disruption. What happened, happened. It doesn't matter what date we choose, nothing changes. My partner hates Christmas because its a reminder of a miserable childhood due to government injustice and cruelty. Would changing the date of Christmas Day change anything? Of course not!

    And no, it's NOT my ''furious reactions'' stirring up resentment and creating racial tension. It's the ingrates and radicals who are never satisfied and are always dishing out blame and insults, along with more and more extravagant and unreasonable demands. It IS a whining minority wanting the date changed. And I am sick of the whining minority always being indulged at the expense of the silent majority.

    Read my post below. That woman is typical of those demanding change.

    If the biggest problem some have is that the date of Australia Day offends, they are VERY WELL OFF - far, far more fortunate than me and most other Australians. So get over it and be grateful.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    23rd Jan 2018
    2:03pm
    BTW. the_Albert. On a recent trip, I met an American Indian family. Four kids grew up on a reservation. Two left the res after getting a good education (at government expense) and finding great jobs. Two stayed, and enjoy a share of the profits of a very successful casino owned by the Indians on that res. All were living quite well - far better than many struggling working-class white Americans.

    I talked to all four extensively. Two told me how awful it was to be a ''poor disadvantaged Indian, suffering terrible discrimination and deprivation'' and two told me of the very generous system that afforded them a great education, far superior opportunities to non-indigenous Americans, and the enormous benefits of a ''tribe'' as well.

    I commented to one that her brothers seemed to have a very different view of life and society. Her reply was ''Yes, because they chose to focus on negatives and they chose to expect endless handouts and indulgence. Put simply, they chose to hate, and we can all find excuses to hate when it suits out purpose. We can all be 'offended' and angry about something. We can all find something to cry and complain about. Good luck to those who enjoy living with negativity. I chose gratitude and positivity. I appreciate what America has given me, and Americans respect me and open doors for me. My brothers complain and whine, and American dislike them and slam doors in their faces. Don't ask me what it is that makes people choose one way or the other. I have no idea. I just know which way yields the best results.''
    ghoti
    24th Jan 2018
    2:24pm
    I'm with the_Albert on this. For most of us the actual date is irrelevant (would many people object if it were moved to a Monday or a Friday when it falls on, say, a Wednesday?). As others have pointed out, Christmas Day is an arbitrary date. The important thing is to have a celebration on a day that suits as many people as possible and for it to be a joyous, inclusive event. As for fixing other things first, there will always be something more urgent, in some people's view, than whatever it is you think should be fixed now. Besides, surely we can walk and chew gum at the same time?

    Why all the fuss? Why has this issue brought out so much fury and prejudice? It's an attempt to remove a source of division in our society - but it seems that many people want to create more division by using it as a stick with which to beat Greens and others with a contrary point of view about the head. We should try to fix disadvantage wherever we find it: amongst blackfellas, whitefellas, immigrants, refugees, the disabled, and so on.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2018
    2:45pm
    It's not an attempt to remove division. It's an excuse to whinge and accuse and blame, creating division and resentment. And anyone who is disadvantaged would have far more significant things to be focusing on, so I can only conclude that those making a fuss have nothing better to do than stir up resentment and racism.
    ghoti
    24th Jan 2018
    6:57pm
    Yeah, good one, Rainey. How do you KNOW that "it's an excuse to whinge and accuse and blame, creating division and resentment"? It's a bit rich - actually a LOT rich - to shout out racist rants then blame the people you're shouting at. You write "It doesn't matter what date we choose, nothing changes." If it doesn't matter, why object to it with such passion? You write: "Half of the nonsense being sprouted in support of changing the date is untrue anyway." Any examples? And "History is being altered to suit a handful of radicals and the result can only make racism much, much worse." Only because you and others are shouting foam-flecked abuse at anyone who disagrees with you. "The majority are concerned with far more important issues and don't care two hoots what day Australia Day is celebrated." I rest my case.

    Aboriginal people went to an enormous amount of effort to arrive at the Uluru Statement. What did Turnbull say? That the Australian people will reject changing the Constitution to accommodate it, so it's going nowhere. Great respect there, Mal. Respect is what most blackfellas want. Let's encourage them to join with the rest of us to celebrate Oz on a day that doesn't represent, for them, inasion and dispossession.

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    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2018
    9:02am
    If they want respect, they should start treating others with respect. The majority do, but the vocal are insulting, abusive and nasty. They are constantly bellyaching and blaming, but they never acknowledge all the good things the white man has done and is doing for them.

    I'm not racist, and I'm not shouting abuse at anyone who disagrees with me. I'm saying we have more important priorities to focus on, and there wasn't any ''invasion'' on January 26. A hoard of convicts in chains arrived, with a handful of soldiers and sailors (and the sailors most likely left very soon after).

    The white man came and settled, and over the years did some terrible things to Aboriginals, but also did a vast amount of good for them, and is continually trying to do better. Why can't we focus on the good instead of continually ranting about the claimed horrors. History IS being changed. I know a teacher who has been instructed to teach that the convicts were given guns and ammunition and sent out to kill Aboriginals. What utter crap! My mother rode on a bus with a teenage Aboriginal seated next to her. By the end of the journey, he was excitedly preparing to ''educate his people'' that not all whites are privileged. It took her 40 minutes to convince him that she really didn't have the opportunity to go past grade 6 at school, and she grew up in abject poverty. She went on to tell him of a white relative who was stolen from a good but poverty-stricken home at age 5 and cut off from family until she found her parents and siblings again at age 30. He said his people would never believe that. They've been indoctrinated to believe it only happened to Aboriginals.

    Most of the ''stolen generation'' were abandoned by their own people, or neglected or abused. And 92,000 whites were ''stolen'' as well - in ADDITION to forced adoptions and British migrants. 92,000 were Australian-born children over the age of 3, many of whom were taken no cause other than poverty. There was commercial gain for bureaucrats and churches in taking and keeping kids without proper cause. Terrible, but not restricted to any one race, so why aren't the whites who were wronged entitled to the same recognition and compensation? Why aren't seriously disadvantaged whites entitled to the same benefits. Why does it always have to be about race, not NEED or JUSTICE?

    Sorry, but respect has to be earned. The vast numbers who earn it, receive it. The loud-mouthed whingers do nothing to help their cause or anyone else's. They just fuel racism. And if I sound racist, I apologise. I've suffered hideously through reverse racism, and I am heartily sick of the notion that one race has the right to abuse, blame and insult and demand cultural change, while the other race is supposed to just bow down.

    Aboriginals have their special days. Why shouldn't we have ours? I ignore their celebrations. If they don't like ours, ignore it. Clean the house, or dig in the garden. Why should we sacrifice our heritage? When I say the majority don't give two hoots what day Australia Day is celebrated, I am referring to Aboriginals. Vast numbers of whites DO care. They want to celebrate an event that was significant in OUR history. And they ought not to be denied that right just because a vocal minority didn't like what they've been indoctrinated to believe happened. Most of them haven't a clue what actually happened anyway. There was certainly no ''invasion'' on that day, and you'd have to be an illiterate fool to believe claims that there was.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    23rd Jan 2018
    11:02am
    I met someone who is lobbying strongly for the date to be changed. I asked her what date she preferred. She said ''13th February - National Apology Day, or 26th May - National Sorry Day.'' I said that might offend some non-Aboriginal Australians, and it would be totally irrelevant to many. Her reply? ''Stuff those sh----headed idiots. Who the hell cares what they think?''

    So apparently we must all be sympathetic to a minority who claim January 26 offends, but we are not entitled to an ounce of reciprocal consideration.
    Budwah
    24th Jan 2018
    12:23pm
    Isn’t everyday Australia Day.
    No matter what date is assigned to be Australia Day there will be some one or group complaining.
    In all reality Australia was non existent as a country until 1st.January 1900 - this should be the day we celebrate Australia Day, which in simplicity was the coming together of peoples from different backgrounds to form this, dare I say “Once” great country of ours.
    There are other important historical days that are not celebrated on a regular basis if at all for example the landing of Captain Cook at Botany Bay, the last time this event was celebrated was back in 1970.
    January 26 should be remembered possibly as Convict Day or First Fleet Day, the date itself would no doubt slip back into the forgotten pages of our history to be resurrected on important historical milestones like Cook’s 250th anniversary in 2020 (which may never happen).
    SheppartonMIss
    24th Jan 2018
    2:19pm
    This may not be the view of everyone, but I think most Ozzies just care about the public holiday. Why not let our indigenous people choose the date for Australia Day - a day when we can all be joined in enjoying a day off and celebrating together ? There could still be some recognition of the First Fleet - just not another public holiday.


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    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2018
    2:41pm
    Why not just leave it as it is and concentrate on something that matters? If feeling ''offended'' that we celebrate on January 26 is the worst problem indigenous Australians have, they are VERY VERY VERY FORTUNATE and should be bowing down with gratitude to the ''invaders'' who have given them such a good life.

    (Of course it's only the radicals - and probably the fortunate radicals - who are ''offended''. The majority are concerned with far more important issues and don't care two hoots what day Australia Day is celebrated, as long as health care and education continue to improve and income support continues for those who need it.)
    Anonymous
    24th Jan 2018
    5:13pm
    "should we move australia day?".

    yeah - let's move it offshore. i wonder which country would like it?
    ronloby
    26th Jan 2018
    12:17pm
    The "CORRECT" day of commission of New South Wales as a Part of the British Empire was the 7 February 1788. People should research the Original Records written by Governor Phillip and Capt. of the Marines Watkin Tench. Tench's report was dated 10 July 1788 and printed after it was returned to England. They had no problems with the Natives when the fleet arrived.

    26th Jan 2018
    6:24pm
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    OnlyGenuineRainey
    27th Jan 2018
    12:50pm
    the_Albert says ''Rainey, I remind you again: the only issue in this debate is whether to change the date, not whether to abolish Australia Day and celebrate everything that's good about this place.''

    Well, the below is a direct quote from an article on the Melbourne Australia Day protests:

    Birch says the message is “abolish Australia Day” because Australia has not yet come together in a way worthy of celebration.

    “To those who are suggesting that we change the date, for those who are suggesting we hold this event on another date, this country does not deserve a day of national celebration in any capacity,” he says.

    Excuse me! How dare he demand that Australians of European descent be denied the right to celebrate that we, as Australians, have achieved over centuries of occupation. We have given the Aboriginals billions, valuable land, mines, tourist attractions... we keep handing out to them and working hard to improve their lifestyle. In many cases, Aboriginals are far better off than other disadvantaged Australians, who get NOTHING by way of free services and concessions and handouts. They have had apology after apology, repeated and extensive public acknowledgment of history, and they have their days of rememberance and mourning. We invest in preserving the language and culture and traditions. Yet they seem determined to deny the rest of Australia ALL that they demand we provide for them. This hypocrisy is disgusting.

    Yes, they ARE trying to abolish Australia Day, the_Albert. And I'll be damned if they or you will silence my protests.
    the_Albert
    27th Jan 2018
    2:12pm
    Rainey, I'm convinced that NOTHING will silence your protests: logic, evidence, patient explanation, appeals to your better nature ... You obviously feel passionately about the issue, which apparently affects you personally and has aroused deep resentments in you.

    The YLC article which began this debate posed the issue as follows: "The problem with Australia Day isn't the actual celebration of our nation, it's the day on which it's held." If our comments are to stay on topic, that sets the parameters of the discussion. In any event, of course there are always going to be extreme views, but the great preponderance of liberal opinion is not to abolish the day but to hold it on another date - and that's the position I take too.

    Your view that "We have given the Aboriginals billions, valuable land, mines, tourist attractions... we keep handing out to them and working hard to improve their lifestyle" is, I'm afraid, highly tendentious. "We" stole all that from the indigenous peoples in the first place; isn't it only fair that, in these more enlightened times, we should attempt to give a fraction of it back? It's that fundamental fact of dispossession which you totally deny. And always will. But it has led to the sense of loss many aboriginal people feel and the degradation of their communities. Your "Us and Them" approach and your broad generalisations are alarming, and tending towards racism. Native title, apologies, welfare etc are responses of this modern community, a multicultural community involving everyone; the "we" we are discussing includes people of aboriginal descent.

    I'm not sure, incidentally, about the "repeated and extensive public acknowledgement of history" to which you refer: at least so far as you are concerned, you seem to deny it, especially when you protest at the notion of an invasion on 26 January.

    Given the widespread indications yesterday that many people wish to change the date, do you still assert that only "a few radical ratbag whiners who just want to cause disruption" take that view?
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    28th Jan 2018
    7:23am
    the_Albert, the problem clearly ISN'T the date with the rabble-rousers who protested in Melbourne. They want to abolish it altogether.

    We came and settled Australia. All over the world, people have invaded other nations and taken over other people's land. They don't generally give it back. Wars are won and winners prevail. If the Japanese had succeeded in invading, do you think they'd have given the land back to Aboriginals - or to us? History is what it is, for better or for worse. We can't change it. We can only go forward, but we can't go forward while radicals are being offensive and unfair, demanding that we give up our heritage, tradition, and the land we - and our forebears - were born in.

    I can't go back to Ireland and reclaim the land that was taken from my great great grandfather. I can't demand compensation for the wrongful conviction and transporting of my partner's great great great grandfather. Goodness, my partner and children can't even get compensation for the hideous harm done to their lives by the cruel injustice my partner suffered in childhood - but Aboriginals, who benefited from my partner's father's sacrifice, demand he be silent about his pain and grief because ''it reduces sympathy for their people''. What a load of crap!

    Radical Aboriginals have created the ''them and us'' approach in modern Australia. We worked hard to abolish racism, but they persist in demeaning those of European decent and claiming we have no right to the nation we were born in and our parents and grandparents, in many cases, were born in. They keep claiming we are second-class citizens because they were here first. They take our tax dollar in bucket loads, claim the profits from mines and tourist attractions WE built, that would not be there if we hadn't ''invaded'', bar us from visiting parts of our own country, and then bully and abuse us with nasty accusations and demands we give up our traditions and heritage, while we spend a fortune preserving theirs. And it's only SOME of them doing this. The majority are getting on with life, appreciating what Australia has given them, and seeking the harmony that their own racist agitators are destroying.

    Yes, it is only a few radical ratbags wanting to change the date, and a lot of fools who just enjoy joining the party. Start a BS campaign and there will always be plenty to follow along - even though half don't even know why they are joining in. And most are totally misled. Look at the LGBT campaigns. How many knew the leaders want to abolish marriage completely and regarded SSM as the first step? How many knew key instigators want paedophilia legalized? How many knew they would try to ban starting speeches with ''Ladies and Gentlemen'' at public events? How many know what the next protest and demand will be from the same Aboriginals who are screaming ''Change Australia Day''. They make a business of protesting and demanding. And they are trained in saying the right words to attract gullible supporters.

    If you aren't aware of the extensive and widespread acknowledgement of history, you have your eyes closed. But history is being grossly exaggerated and frequently changed. Nobody seems to be teaching about all the good things European settlers have given Aboriginals. I don't see anyone teaching how Aboriginals often neglected their children or abandoned them and many were saved and brought up in good homes, well educated, and well cared for. (Those Aboriginals aren't complaining about European settlement.) Oh no! They were ''stolen''. Yes, some were. And countless thousands were rescued. And many whites were stolen too, but they are denied their history because it ''offends Aboriginals'' to expose it. We have to call them ''Forgotten'' and lie to denigrate their families and allocate false blame.

    This is MY country. It has been for five generations. I bought and paid for my land with the sweat of my brow, according to the laws of the land. Nobody gave me anything in life other than the chance to work hard and earn a few comforts. I live according to the laws of the land, whether they are right or wrong - and many are very wrong and the wrong has hurt me. But I don't ask anyone to give up their heritage or their traditions or their celebrations of their history because of hurts my forebears may have suffered in past generations. And Aboriginals don't have the right to demand that I sacrifice MY heritage and tradition because they don't like something that happened in the past. It's BS. History is history. No matter what day you name, somebody will associate it with hurt and grief and injustice. That's life. Get over it and get on with it. The only thing that can be achieved by demanding trivial changes like celebrating history on a different date is division and more hurt. And it's happening.

    Yes, I protest the notion of ''invasion'' on January 26, because there wasn't one. It didn't happen. A handful of soldiers and sailors arrived with a boatload of convicts in chains and settled a tiny portion of the country - probably largely unaware that most of it even existed, let alone that it was populated in any way.

    Many decades later, coincidentally on the same day, a party of soldiers committed a horrid dead. Sad and shameful. But that doesn't change the fact that January 26 marks a momentous event in Australia's history, and it shouldn't deny us the right to celebrate that event.

    Armistice Day has terrible connotations for my family. My partner even finds Anzac Day celebrations distressing, because of cruel injustices and torment his father suffered. Do we get to demand the date be changed? Would it fix anything? Of course not, on both counts. Why can't people just live and let live. If you don't want to participate in a celebration, don't. But don't demand others give up their heritage and traditions. They have as much right as anyone else. Aboriginals have their days - weeks actually. I don't agree with some of them, personally, but I don't demand they be changed or abandoned. And I refuse to give up my heritage for rabble-rousers who can't accept that everyone's past was filled with hurts and injustices of one kind or another. Geez, do these fools think the convicts had a great time of it? Do they think the men who went to war enjoyed a party? Learn to be grateful, to take advantage of the opportunities offered, and to get along with the rest of society, and the hurts will largely dissipate.
    the_Albert
    28th Jan 2018
    11:25am
    On the one hand you trivialise 26 January 1788 (not an invasion), on the other hand it was a momentous event worthy of celebration - by "Us". It's perfectly reasonable for "Them" to see that day as momentous for their culture and wish to deny the celebrations by "Us".

    We can't change the facts of history, but we can, and regularly do, change our interpretation of what those facts mean. Thus a landing at Sydney Cove by a few sailors and soldiers and convicts, not in itself an invasion, can later be seen as the start of a whole sequence of events which led to the dispossession and degradation of this country's original inhabitants by settlers from other places and can thus be seen truly as an invasion. Perhaps the British were more humane than other invaders would have been. I don't know, neither do you, but one potential crime by A doesn't excuse a lesser actual crime by B. The fact that you can't redress the wrongs done to your forebears doesn't mean Australia can't redress the wrongs done to its indigenous people. The fact that extremists might one day wish to campaign for outcomes way beyond current campaigns for, say, freedom to marry does not mean that we shouldn't agree to, say, giving LGBTIQ people marriage equality now.

    And endless passionate repetition doesn't mean you're necessarily right. Try to think of it from the perspective of aborigines who were pushed off their land, massacred by white settlers, herded in missions or reserves where they were forbidden to speak their languages, separated from family and kin, forced into unpaid labour or promised salaries which were largely kept back by police and government, children abducted by the authorities simply because of their race, jeered at and denigrated if they went to integrated schools, generally subject to discrimination in every area of life, etc etc - sure, a few managed to do alright, most had no chance and their descendants are still stricken by the past. They are not given the land their forebears called their own. After many years of struggle they might achieve native title rights, but these rights do not amount to "ownership", other interests have to be accommodated, freehold land is forever alienated from their control, and so on: it's a form of compensation (for the unjust and illegal dispossession) but it's very limited and inadequate.

    Yes, it's YOUR country, it's MY country, it's THEIR country too, if you insist on putting it in those kinds of terms. We all have responsibility to do what we can for everyone, promote unity, diminish hurt and division. Perhaps that is precisely what those who wish to change the date are trying to achieve.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    28th Jan 2018
    12:15pm
    So should we rollover and concede to every ridiculous demand from a radical minority who feel hurt or offended by history, or is it only selected minorities that should be indulged and others told to go to hell.

    Yes, give in to the radicals. And before you know it, we lose everything we value, because the demands just get more and more selfish and extreme. And meanwhile the silent majority just suffer their grief and hurt in silence and get on with building a better future for all.

    Sorry, I think we've done a great deal to redress wrongs by SOME of our forebears (none of mine wronged indigenous Australians), and we continue to do a great deal. I don't believe we should have to give up our history, heritage and traditions. We invest to preserve theirs. We are entitled to our own as well.

    When indigenous Australians, as a race, promote unity and harmony instead of creating division and abusing and blaming and hating, maybe I'll change my point of view. When indigenous Australians recognize that we can all claim a painful and shameful history and many suffered hideous hurt that nobody has ever even considered trying to redress, maybe I'll change my views. When indigenous Australians stop accusing me of stealing their land and start thanking me for the fact that my father and father-in-law both gave their lives to protect indigenous Australians (among others) from Japanese invasion, maybe I'll change my views. They would have had NOTHING if Japanese invasion had been successful, and nobody would have tolerated their whining claims.

    There was no ''illegal'' dispossession. That's crap. The law at the time permitted other peoples to invade, conquer, take over, or simply resettle (as in Australia's case) and the law recognized the victor in any battle as the legal owner of the land. That's how it was back then. We may think it wrong, but that's what the law allowed. I also think squatters' rights law was wrong, but it existed and those who used it to their benefit did so quite legally. If the Japanese had succeeded in invading, we'd have had no legal rights of ownership.

    Don't preach to me about them being separated from family and kin, forced into unpaid labour, or children abducted by authorities - nor about them being jeered at and denigrated at school. That happened to thousands of children of European descent - including fourth and fifth generation Australian-born kids. The only difference is those of European descent get neither recognition nor reparation of any kind. Why? Because RACIST ABORIGINES DEMAND THAT SYMPATHY IS EXCLUSIVELY THEIRS AND INSIST THE GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA TELL LIES TO THEIR BENEFIT. No, actually that's not the only difference. For the most part, Indigenous children were treated much, much better - at least in the later years of child removal. Stop making it about race and history make it about helping ALL disadvantaged based on genuine need and I'll support that 100%.

    No, they are not given land that their forebears lived on. They did NOT call it their own. They didn't believe in the concept of ownership. They believed Mother Earth owned the land and people had an obligation to protect it for her. Now, when it suits, some claim to have owned it. Many freely admit the truth. And many sensibly acknowledge that you can't just take it from people who bought and paid for it honestly and hand it back to someone who claims ownership based on claims of what happened centuries ago. But they DO claim the profits from hundreds of years of European settler development and improvement. No problem there! And to hell with the rights of those who engineered the development and improvement, and other Australians born here who have an equal moral right to benefit from our natural resources.

    They never owned the land. They inhabited it. And so did our forefathers. And yes, they were treated appallingly. And we acknowledge that and we've moved mountains to try to make reparation. We've given generous compensation. And we continue to try to give more. But we should NOT have to forsake our heritage and we SHOULD NOT have to tolerate these vile accusations and ongoing blame and distortions of history for things we had no control over and can't change.

    So let's all take responsibility for doing what we can to promote unity and diminish hurt and division. Let's treat each other with courtesy and respect and put an end to the accusations, hatred, blame, bullying and demands based on claims about a history none of us can verify for certain, and stop trying to force some people to sacrifice their history and heritage to satisfy the selfish demands of a minority of others. Tell those disgusting protestors they have no right to say Australia doesn't deserve a celebration of its history. That's offensive and disgraceful, and it will certainly guarantee my continued opposition to their unfair demands. Sadly, it's also hurting the cause of the majority of Indigenous Australians, who are respectful and appreciative of what they have been given, and who do want to promote harmony. And while we are objecting to the protestors extremism, how about we legislate to make racist remarks by Aborigines as illegal as remarks against them? I know a few radio announcers who belong in jail, but they are protected and can say as they please because they are Indigenous. Let's make one law for all, instead of creating division. That would go a very long way to promoting harmony and unity.
    ronloby
    27th Jan 2018
    1:51pm
    ANZAC Day reflects ALL Wars. Why should we chop and change any dates to suit certain members of the Australian people. Next there will no longer Easter or Christmas celebrated in order to not insult non Australians. Just get on with making Australia the BEST country to live in.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    28th Jan 2018
    12:22pm
    A fellow I know could teach those demanding a date change or abolition of a national day of celebration a valuable lesson. His in-laws unknowingly planned the wedding for him and his wife on the anniversary of his mother's death. Nothing was said until very late in the planning. When his horrified mother-in-law said the date would have to be changed and cried a profound apology he replied simply, ''Why change it? Here's our opportunity to put aside a sad memory and replace it with a happy one. From this day forward, that day will be the anniversary of the happiest event of my life, not the saddest. And that's a very good thing.''

    Bad stuff happened. Good stuff happened. Get over it. Focus on the good, and on making it better in the future.
    Not a Bludger
    18th Sep 2018
    1:09pm
    Absolutely not - leave well alone!


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