ABS claims a malicious hack responsible for Census site outage

ABS confirms that the Census website was hacked last night.

ABS claims a malicious hack responsible for Census site outage

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has revealed that the Census website was hacked last night, prompting it to be shut down after causing frustration throughout the nation.

The ABS has been widely criticised in recent weeks for its plans to store the personal information of Australians, as well as its capacity to handle the heavy web traffic for its first online Census. The Bureau offered repeated assurances that personal data would be secure from potential hacks, assuring Australians it was ‘confident’ the website could handle over 1 million form submissions per hour – and then some.

But it seems that wasn’t enough.

Australians quickly took to social media to complain about problems completing the online Census form, with many saying they had attempted to submit up to 20 times before giving up. Aussies who had trouble with the website were encouraged to call the ABS helpline.

Initially, the ABS claimed the trouble was simply browser based, and told them to try another browser or try again later. Eventually, it had to admit the site had crashed and would stay down until this morning.

"The ABS and Census website are unavailable. The service won’t be restored tonight," said an ABS spokesperson.

Earlier today, the ABS’s David Kalisch confirmed that the Census website had been hacked four times by foreign hacktivists using a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack, and that the website was shut down to allow experts to deal with the breach.

"The online census form was subject to four denial of service attacks yesterday," Mr Kalisch explained. "The first three caused minor disruptions, but more than 2 million forms were successfully submitted and safely stored.”

The attack is believed to have come from overseas and is currently being investigated by the Australian Signals Directorate. Security experts have noted it will be “very difficult to source the attack”.

A DDoS attack uses ‘robots’ to send a high volume of traffic to a website in order to overload until it and shut it down. While a DDoS attack doesn’t necessarily mean that any data was stolen, it underlines the concerns of many Australians that Census data is vulnerable; although the ABS maintains that data from the 2 million Australians who completed the Census form would be safe.

"The scale of the attack, it was quite clear it was malicious. Steps have been taken during the night to remedy these issues and I can certainly reassure Australians that the data they provided is safe," said Mr Kalisch.

The failure of the nation’s first online Census has led Labor to call for the resignation of Assistant Treasurer Michael McCormack, who was in charge of running the Census.

The ABS has stated that there will be no fines for anyone who didn’t manage to complete the Census form last night. Australians have until 23 September to complete the Census before receiving a $180 penalty.

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    Ginty 01
    10th Aug 2016
    10:25am
    Had no problems filling out the census last night, and if the pen had played up we have plenty more of them.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:11pm
    Still waiting for the paper copy to arrive. Never was able to get through to the Call Centre though.
    MB100D
    10th Aug 2016
    4:49pm
    Had no trouble completing the questions on line.
    There was no information in the Census that the Govt. does not already have.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    4:55pm
    Retired Knowall. So why the need for a Census? Something untoward going on.
    tendj
    10th Aug 2016
    5:36pm
    Did mine on Monday no problem at all
    marls
    10th Aug 2016
    6:31pm
    niemakawa
    agree the govt does know all but why ask how many bedrooms you have in europe people with empty rooms were asked to take in invaders and when senators dont want to give their personal details they may know something we are not being told
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    6:44pm
    Marls yes that is true. I was in Europe last year and Berliners were ordered by Merkel that they could not advertise rooms on the Airbnb
    website for visitors as these rooms were need for "newcomers". I follow closely the events in Western Europe and the situation has not changed despite all of the terrorists attacks that have occurred and still are. The Commissars in The EU have intentions that yet many Europeans are not yet aware or more than likely ignore. The same is happening here in Australia. Once complacency takes hold there will be no turning back. Citizens must forever be vigilant and not cede too many powers to the "Government". The Census is a step in the wrong direction and will only provide more fodder for our Government in its push for a Centralised (Western) World Government.
    MB100D
    11th Aug 2016
    1:35pm
    My form didn't ask how many bedrooms I had.
    I can't believe the number of Drama Queens on this site, and the number of conspiracy fruit cakes.
    But then again if you want to live in Fairyland, go for it.
    Lescol
    10th Aug 2016
    10:26am
    I find this rather hard to believe and I would have thought ' overseas' would have been denied access - geo screening. Such techniques will be needed if they hope to ever have electronic voting. cheers
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    10:44am
    I am more worried about our security operations in regard to filtering out terrorists here in Australia. Is the same happening there? Would not surprise if it is.
    johnny
    10th Aug 2016
    11:12am
    It is not that hard to believe. The government outsources everything to private companies and the private companies outsource everything to companies overseas or even have their operations overseas.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:25am
    It would be detrimental and against outsourced contracted commercial interests to be so lax and jeopardise their business income.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:31am
    Geo screening apparently worked to a point and picked up on strange anomalies. So they will have to work that one out, although they had 5 years to perfect the system. This is what's so disappointing.
    AussieTuca
    10th Aug 2016
    12:19pm
    Not that easy Lescol... Using a Proxy to change your IP address you can tell the recipient that the request is coming from their own conutry, eg., a hacker from the US can tell the recipient, in this case ABS will make the ABS servers "think" that the requests are coming from Australia not the US...
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    12:39pm
    Aussie Tuca. Not dissimilar is when telemarketing calls originating from Overseas use a local STD code (02, 03).
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:14pm
    Yeah Lescol. They claim your data is safe but the very fact that the site was hacked tells you that David Kalisch is little more than the next in a long line of lying public officials allowed to get away with conning the general public.
    The hack is why I am completing a paper form and why I will not be including my name unless the questions are quite benign and not the collection of personal information for later use. Yes I know what the ABS claims. I don't believe a word of it.
    Theo1943
    10th Aug 2016
    10:52pm
    Mick, the questions are indeed quite benign and not much different from previous cencus. You have been putting your name and address on census forms since 1961. The form you fill out has a number on it which identifies your house donypu really thonk they don't know who you are. Just fill in the form mate. It doesn't bite.
    bob
    10th Aug 2016
    10:38am
    It seems to me that for a department collecting and collating figures they are not terribly bright :the website can handle 1mill per hour and there are 16mill trying to get on over the course of two or three hours--DUH!Also the money that they paid to overseas IBM would have well covered postal charges and been 100% secure,helped our struggling Auspost,and provided temporary employment to Australians who pay tax in this country
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    11:51am
    "there are 16mill trying to get on over the course of two or three hours--DUH!"

    bob, where did you get that information? If we have 6 weeks to fill in a form then the entire population completes the form in the first 2 -3 hours of that 6 weeks??? Doesn't make sense to us??!
    Rae
    10th Aug 2016
    1:49pm
    Well duh Frank. Perhaps if they told people that instead of holding a Census Night things might be different.

    This is a direct result of privatisation and contracting overseas corporations rather than paying our own workers.

    Why does the LNP hate Australian worker's?
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    2:05pm
    Rae, where did you get the idea that the LNP hates Australian workers?
    I'm sensing a lot of negativity here. :(
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:18pm
    You are probably pretty close to the facts bob. If people are told to fill out Tuesday night then most of them would do exactly that. Not rocket science...but what else would a LNP troll defending his boss say.
    Theo1943
    10th Aug 2016
    10:55pm
    I don't know when they told anyone but I have known for some time that the forms have to be in by September 23. Not a secret.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    10:41am
    Another blunder by an Australian Government. Australia becomes again the laughing stock of the World, yet again. I had partially completed the form on-line last week, saved the data and was ready to complete the rest last night. But as expected the Australian Government has let us down. This would have happened regardless of which Party. I did not include my name in the census as it is irrelevant and not necessary to do so. Now I will not even complete an on-line or paper form as I have lost all trust in the Government and what are its real intentions.
    John
    10th Aug 2016
    12:07pm
    This is my first post on this website. I have been reading your comments for some time and all I can say is you are a pack of professional wingers.

    Of course the web site crashed. it was always going to. I met my first computer in 1985 at work and since then I have never seen a new system introduced which did not have teething trouble. For example the Queensland Health Payroll debacle which I believe is still in crisis mode.
    So the department of Census is on a learning curve just like everyone else.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    12:12pm
    John, no we want results not inferior services. This is the 21st century technology is the driving force behind everything we do these days. Not good enough.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    Methinks the current government "let us down" because of arrogance niemakawa. You sort of pick up the 'do as I say' attitude when you hear many of the front bench MPs talk. It does get up my nose and I imagine I am not alone.

    10th Aug 2016
    10:55am
    Another stuff-up by the LNP. They couldn't run a bath let alone a government!
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    11:04am
    The same would have happened (intentionally) regardless of which Party is in power. Time for the people to take back control instead of pandering to the wishes of Governments.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    11:38am
    niemakawa - you cannot rationally say the same would have happened regardless of which party was in power. Obviously the decision to do an online census was approved by the Abbott/Turnbull government, and nobody else.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    11:43am
    Barak. I stand by what I stated. Unlike you I am not biased. The Australian Political system is corrupt and dangerous.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    12:00pm
    Barak do you really believe that the ALP and US Democrats are in cahoots? Do you think it was payback for Laborites going to the US to collect all the Trump corflute off the side walks?
    KSS
    10th Aug 2016
    1:43pm
    No Frank it was payback from the Chinese Swimming Federation in defence of their 'drug-cheating' competitor!
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:24pm
    Eddy: ditto. Still waiting for the budget to turn the corner after the promise to do so when Abbott rode into town. $100 billion added since then and probably a fair bit more.

    niemakawa: ALL western democracies are corrupt. Just depends on the degree of corruption involved. So why do voters not DEMAND a federal ICAC to clean out the crooks?
    margie
    10th Aug 2016
    11:08am
    Well we now know for sure that the ABS wouldn't be able to handle voting on line. What incompetent twits, four times, we are told that the system was 'hacked'. I will finish mine when I can be bothered in a week or so, maybe by then the ABS might have sorted out their problems. All the money they reckon they have saved by people using computers will now be null and void because they will need to update and upgrade their systems to avoid this happening again. The 'hacking' story just may be a cover up for their own incompetence, think I'm calling BS on overseas entities wanting to look into our census forms.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:21am
    System was not hacked, it was blocked. Educate yourself.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    11:40am
    That's a very strange response HS. I read the headline and first sentence a little differently from you.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    11:45am
    Margie don't be afraid. Nobody is looking into our census forms.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    11:46am
    Too trusting Frank or naive maybe.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:51am
    Barak, "Denial of service" = Blocking the service. No hacking succeeded. Learn the difference. If you read the headlines that ABS was hacked this was unverified journalistic sensationalism to sell newspapers.
    margie
    10th Aug 2016
    11:59am
    HS, there is no need to be rude, the headline states, ABS claims a malicious hack responsible for Census site outages. I actually wrote that I found that hard to believe. Before you make disparaging remarks, perhaps you need to read what I said.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    12:33pm
    I read your disparaging comments with your rude aspersions margie, hence my comment.
    margie
    10th Aug 2016
    12:44pm
    BS, I wasn't going to respond but then thought that perhaps you may be feeble minded and unable to read very well, It appears you don't see what the printed word is actually saying but put your own strange interpretation upon it. Please read what is actually said, of course you may be a troll and on here to get a rise out of people and if so, mission accomplished, now does that make you feel better?
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:27pm
    The problem was margie that the ABS needed to trial an online system piecemeal. And they should have done it in 4 consecutive days depending on surname. That would have taken pressure off the computer system and there would likely have been no crash. But don't expect the dim wits in Canberra to have enough sense to bless themselves let alone think a problem through....and these are the people who run the nation. That explains a lot.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    2:40pm
    margie, "What incompetent twits" that's what you accused against ABS management and its employees , not once but twice. So provide the evidence that they are incompetent and accuse them to their face, if you dare.
    Theo1943
    10th Aug 2016
    11:05pm
    Margie, a denial of service bombards the site with a huge number of enquiries to overload the site and prevent its use by legitimate users. In other words, the site can't handle the traffic and is effectively blocked. As I heard someone say on the tele today, like someone parking a truck accross your driveway. It does NOT mean that they accessed any data on the site. No, it was not hacked but some moron on TV said it was.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:20am
    I had no problem completing the census at 5:05 PM. Had a receipt emailed to me at 5:20 PM. But, I am surprised that ABS-IBM did not adopt counter measures to avoid being swamped with a multiple 12 digit random generator program that blocked the system.
    KB
    10th Aug 2016
    11:22am
    We did ours early in the afternoon fearing that the computer system might crash with 16 million people expected to complete the Census online. The Government must give us a choice of paper when they send the codes next time,
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    11:41am
    Some of us were at work in the early afternoon.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    11:28am
    I doubt very much that the Census site was hacked. From what I've heard it was just a denial of service. I had no trouble completing the form. For those who still need to complete the form online you have until 23/9/2016. Or you have until 29/9/2016 to complete the form.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:38am
    McCormack said just now in a TV press conference, completion of the form and posting it back is by 18 September an to 23 September for online.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    11:42am
    What about the thousands of man-hours wasted by Australians last night?

    Not a problem?
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    11:44am
    Barak you are required to jump to the tune of the "Dictators".
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    11:58am
    Barak- It's not as bad as walking up to an non-bank ATM to withdraw money, only to find that your bank has an outage and you are stranded at the petrol station who's manger doesn't want to believe you. Not only do you have to leave your car and keys there but the non-bank ATM charges you $2.50. Now that is a problem in my book.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    12:06pm
    HS, you are correct. Thanks for correcting me , I must have misheard due to traffic noise.
    "Further to the ABS statement, Small Business Minister Michael McCormack moved to assure Australians they would not be penalised over the census crash.

    "Australians will not be fined for not submitting their census forms last night," a statement from his office said.

    The ABS has previously said paper census forms do not need to be returned until September 18, and those filling in the survey online have until September 23."
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    12:35pm
    No hacking took place according to the official version. But, a "denial of service" occurred, which means that attempts to login were being maliciously blocked. Malicious blocking takes outside of the heart of the data system before you login, by a designed program that either generates multiple 12 digit numbers or by some other means to prevent entry by login. Assuming that they random generated your 12 digit login but you haven't done the census yet, they would simply have an empty page with questions and none of your private information. If you did submit the census online the only way to hack your data is if they worked out the secondary security code provided to you online at the start of the census after your login and that takes another program to work it out. So I tend to believe the official version. Intriguing situation and yes, very embarrassing for the government and IBM
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:28pm
    You would know Frank and for once I agree with you. That's a first. Please thank Malcolm for the information.
    SuzeB
    10th Aug 2016
    11:29am
    There was no hack. It was just a deliberate jam-up by mischief makers. Not surprising, the frenzy whipped up around the whole thing.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:29pm
    Got to blame somebody....and best if you pick anonymous folk who cannot be named.
    Phil1943
    10th Aug 2016
    11:53am
    But, but...we were assured this wasn't going to happen. Our politicians and their henchmen told us that nothing could go worng.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    11:59am
    Oh ye who have faith!!!!!!!!!
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    12:00pm
    2.3 million got through but for the others, yes, it was disappointing and frustrating.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    12:03pm
    HS so less than 10% is acceptable? Typical of the way many Australians think these days, the lowest common denominator syndrome.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    12:43pm
    So fill out the Census document with a pen and post it back niemakawa and stop your whinging.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    12:50pm
    HS I will do neither. I am not easily led as you seem to be, a sufferer of the LCDS
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    1:08pm
    niemakawa are you suggesting people don't fill out the form? What?
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    1:10pm
    Frank that choice is up to each individual. I would ask people to carefully think it through fro themselves. Can you do that?
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:30pm
    Assured by lying David? And you believed him Phil? God help you mate.
    Travellersjoy
    10th Aug 2016
    12:17pm
    Perhaps now the government will take security concerns about online data seriously.

    Selling our assets to China when their government supports this sort of activity seems like treachery to me.

    The money men are totally amoral, and I would like my descendants to be able to live in a democracy somewhat like the one I inherited from my parents. Our government represents the money men, not us.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:32pm
    Selling out the nation is the real tragedy Travellersjoy, followed by the reality that most Australians will only care when their livelihood is impacted.
    AussieTuca
    10th Aug 2016
    12:21pm
    Well, I completed mine in less than 30 min and got the official receipt printed...
    Curious
    10th Aug 2016
    12:26pm
    Whinge, whine, moan, complain, whinge, toughen up princess's its done, it is what it is, get over it. Round two to submit is now until 23rd September.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:32pm
    And request a paper copy maybe.
    shirboy
    10th Aug 2016
    12:31pm
    I did my census online in the afternoon. It was so simple & quicker than doing paper work. Now I will put the paper into my bin for recycling.
    Hairy
    10th Aug 2016
    12:48pm
    So much for all the bragging nobody's managed to break our security pathetic like the rest of this goverment got their heads up their self serving rich smelly asses
    Scrivener
    10th Aug 2016
    12:57pm
    DDoS attack doesn’t necessarily mean that any data was stolen, it underlines the concerns of many Australians that Census data is vulnerable; because DDoS attacks can mask data sucking.
    This lunatic has ‘guaranteed’ that the data that you submit is safe. "I can certainly reassure Australians the data they provided is safe.”

    Ho Ho! How can he give such a reassurance?

    Australian Bureau of Statistics chief David Kalisch told ABC radio its website was attacked four times on census night.
    Audio: ABC.
    "It was quite clear it was malicious."
    The census was targeted by four denial of service (DoS) attacks, Mr Kalisch said. A DoS is a broad term for attacks that attempt to crash an online system so that users are unable to access it.

    But the site was shut down after a "gap" in the system's security measures was found during a fourth attack, Mr Kalisch said.

    What the hell is ‘GAP in security’. More likely a wide open door.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    12:59pm
    Australia is like a sponge POROUS.
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    1:10pm
    That is correct a GAP in computer terms use to indicate that was a f...up.... Bug on the program (UNTESTED) and is an open door so anybody can come in and have a look or copy the info.

    This type of problems are created by inexperience programmers they need us good old people with experience to avoid this kind of Bloody GAP's .......
    Another Joke
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    1:13pm
    Aussie, if the truth be known the whole exercise is carried out Offshore. But as with other forms of attacks, the detail will not be released until the deed has been done.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    1:49pm
    maybe from a Russian submarine parked in Sydney Harbour?
    niemakawa where did you hear there was an attack?
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:08pm
    Now the burning Question, can Russian armoury go from Sydney to Carnarvon? I think I might hook up the caravan just in case.
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    2:15pm
    I'll meet up with you in the desert west of the Alice near lassiter's hrm. Tell no-one. Trust nobody!
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    OK I'll bring the beer and you bring the bangers.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:33pm
    That remains to be seen Scrivener.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    2:48pm
    Frank, time to get out from under that rock. Your naivety is beyond belief.
    Rae
    10th Aug 2016
    5:37pm
    Well we won't have to defend Darwin next time because the chinese already have the port, Too easy.
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    1:04pm
    I was correct with my comments very early about the privacy issues and danger of hacking the site.
    But some of you told me I was stupid .....was I ?????

    Now we are at the mercy of the hackers and do not be surprised if your info may be compromised ......... Just in case you do not know the Overseas hackers ONLY need the Internet Protocol (IP) address and that is all for example = 169.168.10.5 ...IP Address) ...

    Read here = https://www.google.co.th/search?q=what+IP+means&oq=what+IP+means&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3272j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    CHECK YOU IP ADDRESS HERE ... http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup

    Your IP address (On your computer) or your Internet supplier IP Address is like your home address and is public so anybody can get it and is very easy to do UNLESS YOU HIDE THE IP ADDRESS WITH A SOFTWARE

    I suggest to check your bank account and other important areas that may be affected ....just in case

    Is better to prevent rather than repair .... and repair may not be possible

    But if any of you think that is all OK then I really hope you are correct .....
    Rae
    10th Aug 2016
    2:19pm
    There was a malicious site pop up last night Aussie. I spotted it and shut out. Anyone who opened it would have filled in the census and sent it straight to the hackers. It sideswiped Yahoo and navigated around security to get in here.

    It wasn't the abs site but an alternate that appeared to be from the abs but wasn't.

    Did anyone else see it?
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    RAE...

    I have a look now I have a very secure computer servers on my home I will access ......
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:29pm
    RAE
    sideswiped ... is normally used when you hit or damage nother car .... looks ok to me I when over about 5 different sites and looks ok
    Rae
    10th Aug 2016
    5:40pm
    Thanks Aussie. It looked like the abs site but wit a completely different address. I said sideswipe but meant got around.
    All the best.
    Theo1943
    11th Aug 2016
    3:15pm
    Looks like it was a maths problem. Turnbull said the site was tested to 250 forms per second. 900,000 per hour, and it never exceeded 150 per minute, 540,000 per hour. 15 million people, if 1/4 signed on after dinner Tuesday, that's 4 million. Site couldn't handle the load. Looks just like denial of service. Morons running the place.
    Kooty
    10th Aug 2016
    1:17pm
    Tried a few times last night to log on - no success. Tried at midday today - no success. Guess I picked the wrong option when the person who delivered the form gave me the option of paperwork or internet.
    ozirules
    10th Aug 2016
    1:32pm
    why wasn't it more widely advertised that the online census could be done before or after census night. I did mine online last week with no trouble. The logjam was both predictable and avoidable. Too much emphasis was put on logging in and completing the form on census night when it wasn't necessary.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:35pm
    It was....but people are too stupid to listen. I fully expected most Australians to do it on the night.
    niemakawa
    10th Aug 2016
    2:53pm
    Mick it does not make sense doing it before the night. People die you know and to include someone that has kicked the bucket in between well!!!!. The Census is against civil liberties and only those that rely on Governments to guide them at every twist and turn will fall for the "trap".
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    1:33pm
    For the Gov't to tell us the census can not be hacked is a joke, Julian Assange is probably working on it right at this moment. Also that bloke holed up in Russia that hacked the American Gov't, would want a bigger challenge.
    As far as I'm concerned, WHO CARES?
    Adrianus
    10th Aug 2016
    1:42pm
    Yes but Young Simmo, what if they know our name and where we slept on the night of the 9/8/2016? Don't we need to keep those important details confidential? If we don't fight against this don't we risk being called names by Laborites? lol
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:04pm
    Yes Frank my neighbours know my name and where I slept on the 9th, I think I might go straight out and book a ticket to America, so I can buy a gun.
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:10pm
    Young Simmo
    You will definitely care when your bank account get $0.00 and other private stuff dissapear from you ...then you will care ????

    This is a very serious matter
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:12pm
    Frank ... Where you sleep on Census night ??? Ummmmm
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:19pm
    Ausssie, we have been using Net-bank since 1999 and never a problem. You can be scared of the 9th Aug 2016, but I will just plough on.
    In fact if something goes wrong today, I know about it today, not when the statement arrives in 3 weeks time.
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:35pm
    Young Simmo

    Yes I know but I am not scare at all I have no money on the bank he he he he

    I am just concern that other people may been hacked /???? I am just highlighting the hacking issue and the potential Risk.

    This things happen when you use untested software or poor testing done by un-experience people

    This is an area I am an expert on over 30+ years working in IT
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:36pm
    Correct Simmo. The system is not secure.
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:42pm
    Aussie your 30 years beats my 16 years of being a helpful, caring, never wrong advisor, just ask Mick.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    3:17pm
    Conspiracy theorists suggest that ABS Census computers suffered from an impregnated encrypted ransom virus and that there is not enough iTune cards in the world to pay the ransom. They also suggest that it was the Russians who sent the ransom virus to help Trump with his political donations, after all, Trump did call on Russia didn't he? On the other hand some other conspiracy theorist suggest that it was China in retaliation to Australia's poking its nose into their South China Sea territory claims...No?....well it must be because our Olympic Gold medalist swimmer insulted their super hero in Rio de Janeiro for being a drug cheat..:) :) :)
    KSS
    10th Aug 2016
    1:45pm
    Should have asked Facebook (1+ billion posts every day) or Nintendo (Pokémon Go) to manage the census. It would have been child's play for either of them.
    johnp
    10th Aug 2016
    1:46pm
    No; Census is still down as of afternoon of 10th Aug.
    re the hacking part: amazing our Govt programmers are so "dumb" :-)
    good idea below re struggling Auspost
    and Yes I agree; the Government should be fined $180 for every Census form that failed to upload
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    2:18pm
    Just a note .....

    Even if you fill a paper form the information will be scanned into the computer so there is no difference at all the info from the website or paper will go to the same place ....The Database and that includes your name and address.

    These is because all the calculations are done by the computer all the info must be on the database

    So if the site gets hacked all the info is already on the Database ...... So what the gov. is talking about to be safe on paper ???? .... need clarification on this
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:37pm
    So leave your name off. The online version will not work if you do that.
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    2:35pm
    I was going to put it off for a day or 2, but after reading all the waffle in here I will make it a week or 2.
    MICK
    10th Aug 2016
    2:38pm
    Why don't Australians boycott the whole process. That'll send a message.
    roy
    10th Aug 2016
    9:35pm
    LIKE.
    SA
    10th Aug 2016
    3:05pm
    Agree....incompetence followed by not taking responsibility.....but this is only the front end of the problem....2 people I know didnt even get the letter with the login so couldnt use the help facilities....total debacle. Blame "overseas" for people not getting the letters???? I am sooo pissed of at another blatant waste of taxpayers money coming on the heals of an election we didnt need. How do we get the message to "Turnbull"...You "spin s##t". By name by nature...
    SA
    10th Aug 2016
    3:14pm
    Found the contact for Turnbull
    https://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm
    Olddog
    10th Aug 2016
    3:14pm
    Glad I used the pen. Now I only have to rely on Australia Post to deliver it to the correct address on time. My wife is still waiting for her postal vote form which was mailed on the same day as mine. I received mine 2 days after receiving the email telling us they had been dispatched. Auspost has gone to the dogs!!!!!!! (Had to get my disabled wife to a polling booth after 3 phonically could not get a replacement)
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    3:23pm
    I am convinced it should have all been done on paper as previously done. For crying out loud, we all know that Aust post is a million times faster than the internet. We actually got a parcel sent from Adelaide to Carnarvon in 9 days.
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Aug 2016
    3:31pm
    :) :) :) LOL.
    Theo1943
    10th Aug 2016
    11:15pm
    I live 55 kms from Perth. Ordered coffee pods from Nespresso on Monday last week. Was ready for pickup at the local post office at 9am Tuesday.
    MD
    10th Aug 2016
    3:31pm
    No trouble experienced whatsoever. 20 minutes to complete. However by submitting early - (1700 hrs) may have helped.
    No, not unnecessarily worried given assurances that one hopes will hold up, anyway the leprechauns @ the bottom of the garden reassured me.
    Not surprised with result. Govt Departments & PS's seemingly live in a parallel universe so what more needs be said ! Fine em, fine, but expecting payment of same puts the author in their universe - cloud cuckoo land.
    Gaia
    10th Aug 2016
    4:56pm
    Having had the unfortunate experience of a victim of a burglary and stalking I for sure and certain will not be including my name, address and birthdate on my paper copy, which are also entered into a computer database. One issue not previously mentioned here is the security of people/seniors who live alone. I don't even tell telemarketers I live alone.....
    Reeper
    10th Aug 2016
    5:18pm
    Well, I had no problems completing the census on-line, on-time. I loved it this morning when half the population are now IT experts who 'knew' it would fail, that it is the fault of the government (notwithstanding the fact the ABS does is a statutory body). What is very clear is that people like Dribbles Xenophon are fools...he is now demanding a Senate enquiry, heads to roll and Ministers to be executed. You are a bloody fool and your activities show just who is funding you.
    PIXAPD
    10th Aug 2016
    5:27pm
    Did it online, no problems easy and fast, printed the receipt....
    Dreamer
    10th Aug 2016
    6:05pm
    I got my census papers with login details on Friday 5th August. I couldn't resist testing the site there and then and found it remarkedly smooth and quick. (Simple with only myself to account for.) Then I saved it, intending to submit on the 9th. But on Sunday there I was pushing "submit". I was worried about the local capacity and not being able to get online on Census night. Internet in my rural area is woeful with many of us relying on mobile data and it tends to slow up with evening traffic (teenagers staying in contact mostly). So my experience of submitting online was stress less and easy-peasy!
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    8:34pm
    Why are people getting so hot and bothered...get over it...your details are not really that important
    Aussie
    10th Aug 2016
    10:27pm
    Pepe La Pew(aka Rad)

    ???WHAT ??? Not important for the country ?????
    No comments on your posting because I will upset the hell out of you

    It is very important ...need to learn why ...do some research please do not sound like an average ignorant please .....
    Gaia
    10th Aug 2016
    10:49pm
    Rad
    I hope you never need to test your democratic rights, you'll see you don't have any and if you watch the 1995 movie The Net you'll understand just how easily you can be snuffed out of existence if the powers that be don't like you!
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    10:37am
    Pepi La, the document in question tells any one who might want to know, how much a household earns, when they work, where they work and their address. So I ring a workplace and establish that the homeowners are there, I then know how long it will take them to get home, I know if they are likely to have worthwhile items worth stealing so I can take my time and clean them out.
    This information may not be important to you, but if I was going to burgle someone I would find this information quite useful.
    But this is a futile argument as the object of the exercise was not to steal information but to make the system fail.

    10th Aug 2016
    9:30pm
    Mine went in before 7pm and hit the mark.

    Disgusting that security measures are not in place for such things.
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    11:08pm
    OK so the census is a bit of a mess, at least be grateful everybody that we have a Liberal gov't in power. Just think for a moment, if we had a Labour Gov't it would have been a 1000 times worse.
    Old Potato head would have gone under ground. That's where most Potatoes go isn't it?
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    10:41am
    If the ALP was in power no doubt you would be be baying for the PM to resign as some people did over pink batts. If KR was responsible for that, surely MT is responsible for this?
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2016
    11:29pm
    OK this is probably a bit long, but this seems like a good place to post it. Feel free to send it to your local BLUDGER.
    **********************************
    Author: Dr. Dale Kerwin
    School of Education
    MT Gravatt Campus, Griffith University

    Ph. 07 3735 5884 | fax. 07 3735 599
    As a self funded retiree, I’m frustrated with Canberra’s continuous
    fiddle with Superannuation contributions and rule changes
    Plus the measure to Re-balance the Pension Assets Test to be
    implemented on 1 January 2017.
    So here's fair warning to all politicians of any persuasion, this
    group of aged voters may be about to make the greatest impact on any Federal
    election in history, ignoring them may be the start of a changed political
    environment in this country.
    Change the Entitlements
    I absolutely agree, if a pension isn't an entitlement, neither is
    theirs. They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't
    sustainable.
    Paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable!
    The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of
    Entitlements is over:

    The author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a
    minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to
    do likewise. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message.
    This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to
    stop somewhere.

    Proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now
    that the Age of Entitlement is over:

    1. Scrap political pensions.
    Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most
    other working Australians are expected to do.

    2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in
    Centrelink.
    A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but
    should receive no salary when they're out of office.
    Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for
    Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians.
    Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like
    the rest of the Australian people.

    3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be
    returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue.
    This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they
    expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.

    4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
    Politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.

    5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and
    participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people.
    i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds
    or accept ordinary Medicare.

    6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the
    Australian people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are
    void effective 31/12/16.

    The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians,
    that burden was thrust upon them.
    Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves.
    Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career.
    The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our
    politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will
    only take three or so days for most Australians to receive the message.
    Don't you think it's time? Please do this if you can. Australia needs our help.

    THIS IS HOW YOU FIX Parliament and help bring fairness back into
    this country!

    If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    10:44am
    Young Simmo, I really wish I could as it is brilliant, but I wouldn't have a clue how to do it.
    GrayComputing
    11th Aug 2016
    4:40am
    To advertisers the worth of having the names and addresses and good details of 16 million Australians is in the billions of dollars !!
    It is a most valuable commodity
    These people will gladly pay 10 of millions of dollars to any hackers or census bureau staff or IT people to get these details.
    I bet the census database will be truly hacked into and our data exposed in under 4 months!
    Shall I start a sweepstake?
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    10:45am
    I would imagine the average burglar would find these details very useful too.
    Theo1943
    11th Aug 2016
    7:32pm
    The electoral roll, which inludes your name and address, is openly available. Or you could try the white pages.
    Pendrey
    12th Aug 2016
    11:21am
    The information is freely available from many other sources.
    1. Why on earth would it be useful to a burglar?
    2. The data is separated and is just as secure if not more so than the previous system which involved many more people being involved.
    3. The ABS is not interested in individuals.
    4. Only statistical data is available to organisations that request it, not names and addresses.
    5. It provides important information for governments at all levels.
    ex PS
    12th Aug 2016
    6:12pm
    No other document that I know of gives details on name addresses, salary level, type of employment , place of work etc. you don't need much imagination to figure out how this information could be used.
    I don't think the electoral role has half of this information.
    Adrianus
    13th Aug 2016
    9:47am
    Australia Post has had more information than that. I can recall Auspost having a "list of lists" as far back as 30 years ago. They would sell those lists to marketers who would use mailing houses. Like I said before people are getting in a huff about nothing because of ignorance.
    4b2
    11th Aug 2016
    8:36am
    I had no trouble completing the Census form on Tuesday night 8.8.16. I also had no issues with entering the data required.
    With the issues of taking the site down, they will learn and improve to prevent these from future attacks. None of us got up and walked without falling down, then we got and tried again until we succeeded.
    To all those naysayers suck it up and get on with more important issues.
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    10:49am
    Even so none of us told everyone that we could get up and walk without falling down, this department did. We were lied to yet again by a government that is big on promises and short on delivery. Maybe if the government had not sacked so many employees they would have the resources to do the job properly, as in Proof of Concept Testing.
    Pendrey
    11th Aug 2016
    11:08am
    This has all been a media beat up, usual hysteria which will die down. As for privacy there is nothing on the census form that the government does not already have available to it if it were remotely interested, which it is not. The previous paper system was no more secure than the online version and saves a hell of a lot of money for the government so embrace it and get on with living.
    Gigi
    11th Aug 2016
    3:32pm
    I didn't receive any mail from ABS, therefore no digital code for me to enter. I phoned ABS but 'volume of phone calls etc etc.... call back later', so I sent email. Got auto response but no further contact from ABS. Phoned again same issue as before, sent another email nothing but didn't get an auto response, eventually sent 3rd email Wednesday morning. The ABS website may well have been hacked but the organisation of this Census was appalling in the extreme
    Adrianus
    11th Aug 2016
    3:52pm
    I notice the Public Sector Employees Union has been very quiet? While their members are copping all this abuse and name calling. Should the Union support its members?
    ex PS
    11th Aug 2016
    5:38pm
    It is not the P.S.E.U that has cut funding to departments so how can it be its' members fault. If you have to direct blame at that level why should it not go to the management who decided not to use a proof of concept strategy?
    You can't blame workers for bad management decisions.
    Adrianus
    11th Aug 2016
    6:28pm
    Thank you, you've just confirmed what I suspected. There is a good mix of Zombies in the PS who will at times practice dumb obedience to either prove a point or to simply pronounce their recalcitrance. Someone needs to explain to them that they are valuable and need to do a good job.
    ex PS
    12th Aug 2016
    6:25pm
    Really Frank, are you actually advocating that Public Servants ignore the express directions of their bosses and just do what they think is right to them?
    I think you may have let your irrational fear of Unions impair your thought processes.
    It is quite simple, you deplete a workforce you have to put up with a lower standard of service if the Department Head wanted to ensure a good job was done he/she should have made sure it was properly resourced, very basic management skills.
    It has also come to light that I.B.M did most of the software design and implementation, wonder how many Zombies they recruited? Seems the Public Servants don't actually need to be supported as they had very little to do with the problem.
    Adrianus
    13th Aug 2016
    9:42am
    ex PS, in an effort to defend your position you have lost credibility by contradicting yourself. Which is it??

    "It is quite simple, you deplete a workforce you have to put up with a lower standard of service ..."

    or

    "Seems the Public Servants don't actually need to be supported as they had very little to do with the problem. "

    If the Public Servants had very little to do with the problem then why would it matter that there are fewer of them??? In fact I would think having less PS would be better, if they weren't needed???
    ex PS
    15th Aug 2016
    5:32pm
    Frank, the problem was possibly caused by a system being designed and implemented by a sub contractor, why, because the department did not have enough resources. It was obviously not taken through a proof of concept dry run, again because of a lack of resources.
    I stand by my original comment.
    When I was in the service a project such as this would have been overseen by a dedicated team, problems that would be seen as particular to a government department would have been identified and managed. When governments use private contractors to mitigate their own responsibilities the tax payer ends up paying for it. As usual the government saves a million dollars today by penny pinching but pays two million tomorrow to fix the problems caused.

    11th Aug 2016
    3:58pm
    The ABS is full of incompetent labor apologists

    Close it down and outsource the lot

    What do these people do in between census anyway

    Waste of taxpayer money
    roy
    11th Aug 2016
    7:04pm
    LIKE.
    ex PS
    15th Aug 2016
    5:34pm
    Sorry, did I miss an election, I thought that Malcolm and his mob was in charge.
    PIXAPD
    12th Aug 2016
    10:36am
    Done online Tuesday evening, fast and easy, printed off receipt

    12th Aug 2016
    10:58am
    Strongly suspect I accidentally threw my letter out given it was addressed to 'The Householder' and given I rarely wear reading glasses to collect mail from my letter box, pretty sure I would have regarded the said letter as junk mail - and believe others may have done the same thing.

    Tried about 5 times prior to Census night to get through by phone for a paper form but no joy on that score.

    Freaking debacle to say the least but think from here on out, might just wait for them to chase me up, and saw nothing wrong with the old paper form arrangement besides it provided heaps of casual employment.


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