Mr Turnbull says same-sex marriage “will sail through”

Will same-sex marriage bill pass through Parliament?

Marriage equality remains a point of contention between the two major parties. In the lead up to Saturday’s Federal Election, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said he is confident that MPs will vote in favour of same-sex marriage if the public vote ‘yes’ in the proposed plebiscite. But the Opposition says the PM’s proposed plebiscite is a “taxpayer-funded platform for homophobia”.

In March, Prime Minister Turnbull refused to endorse Attorney-General George Brandis’ promise to hold a same-sex marriage plebiscite and change the Marriage Act “by the end of the year". However, following pressure from the public, a $160 million national vote will be held.

The Government is yet to outline any details about when the plebiscite would take place, though it may occur as early as the end of this year. A public vote in favour of same-sex marriage is not binding, however, and any change to the Marriage Act would need Senate approval.

Mr Turnbull expects that the public will support same-sex marriage and that the issue will “see an overwhelming majority of MPs and senators voting for it.” He has said, however, that he will allow Coalition MPs to have a conscience vote in Parliament.

Despite being opposed to same-sex marriage, Treasurer Scott Morrison, along with Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce, have both promised to back same-sex marriage if the plebiscite vote is in favour.

“I'm happy to respect the decision that the country makes on this. If the plebiscite carries, then the legislation should pass. That's my view. If the plebiscite does not carry, then I would expect that would be the end of the matter.” Mr Morrison said.

“I will follow the instructions of the Australian people,” Mr Joyce said on radio on Tuesday morning.

It may not be a done deal, however, with Mr Turnbull accused of downplaying concerns on the plebiscite by saying he was confident that if the public votes in favour, so would Parliament. “It will sail through, absolutely sail through,” he said.

Conservative Liberal senators Cory Bernardi, Eric Abetz and Zed Seselja are firmly against same-sex marriage, indicating that they will vote to keep the traditional definition of marriage as ‘between a man and a woman’, regardless of the plebiscite outcome.

Deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek has called the Coalition’s bluff, saying Mr Turnbull's plebiscite was a pointless “taxpayer-funded platform for homophobia”.

“Why are we spending $160 million on an opinion poll that the Government is going to ignore?” she asked.

She promised that if Labor won on Saturday, legislation to legalise same-sex marriage would be introduced within 100 days of its winning.  

Ms Plibersek’s sentiments were echoed by Greens leader Adam Bandt when he tweeted, “PM now says #equalmarriage plebiscite won't even bind his MPs & they'll have free vote. So why not just ditch plebiscite & vote on bill now?”

On Monday night, Tony Abbott's former chief of staff Peta Credlin predicted that the “schism” in the Coalition over its same-sex marriage plebiscite could hurt Mr Turnbull’s chances of maintaining his prime ministership.

“I think it will be a very big schism inside the Liberal Party going back to territory of 2009,” she said.

She also pointed out that the Government has failed to announce “any plan B” if the plebiscite fails to pass.

“The Government might claim a mandate but if Labor block it and the Greens block it in the upper house, what is plan B?

“All you hear from government ministers is ‘we'll cross that bridge when we come to it’,” she said.

What do you think? Is a Coalition government likely to vote in favour of same-sex marriage if the plebiscite passes? Would you like to see a public vote happen? Do you think we should save the $160 million and simply have Parliament do what its paid to do and vote on the same-sex marriage bill?

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    29th Jun 2016
    10:37am
    I don"t know where you get the notion that the majority of Australians are for same sex marriage I don"t know of anyone who is for it apart from Shorten and his Labor party as a matter of fact I know of a lot of people who are dead said against it including me.
    Sen.Cit.90
    29th Jun 2016
    10:48am
    Hi Robbo,
    Add me to the dead set against.
    Oldie84
    29th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    I'm with you robbo. But it will be the same as Brexit: us oldies are steeped in tradition and the young ones are for it. So if we come out and vote against it they'll only agitate for a re-run and tell us we are not entitled to vote because it's their future. Look what's happening in England.
    Old Geezer
    29th Jun 2016
    11:31am
    No one is game to say what will happen if the public vote against it.

    What about those people who now have their birth certificates changes to no specific gender?
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    11:32am
    You old people need to get over it - you are not being asked to convert - you are simply being asked to consider the rights of others.

    The polls say the majority of Australian's understand that it the LBGTI community should have same rights as anyone else.

    As a senior, I would not swap my sexual preferences and have to put up with the bigotry and legal disadvantages that LGBTI Australians have to suffer - so I get the reason they need to have the same rights as other Australians.

    Therefore I have no problem respecting their rights. I think the government should vote their conscience in parliament and move on instead of an expensive, divisive plebiscite - that is also likely to be rigged - but such is our corrupt politics these days.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    Who says we are old Reasons perhaps the previous posters only have morals and ethics because that was how we where brought up.
    Troubadour
    29th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    Like you Robbo nearly everyone I have spoken to or shared the comment with is, as you put it 'dead set against' same sex marriage.
    And "Reasons' whoever you are these are not all 'old people' as you so
    charmingly put it - half of them are under 40, and many in their 20's.
    Tom Tank
    29th Jun 2016
    11:53am
    You are spot on "Reasons".
    Morals and ethics have nothing to do with this "robbo" the issue is being disputed by those who have never recovered from the religious brain-washing of their youth. Because it is against the teaching of religious groups should NOT prevent clear thinking people from making their own decisions.
    All this clap trap about how marriage being ordained by God when marriage was in place amoungst pagans well before Jesus was born. In fact if we believe the Bible Mary, his mother, was a Virgin which, if true, means the marriage was never consummated and was in fact therefore null and void.
    The lack of tolerance is quite staggering on this issue.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    12:02pm
    Yeah Troubador - I am REALLY confident that lots of 20-40 years olds are looking at and commenting on this SENIORS site.

    Probably about as confident as I am that the sun will come up in the WEST tomorrow morning.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    Reasons, you wrote "bigotry and legal disadvantages that LGBTI Australians have to suffer". The exact same and whatever else you come up with can be said those that wish to have a polygamous lifestyle. Can you provide evidence to the contrary.
    If you support only gay marriage and not polygamy then it is rather hypocritical.
    BTW do you know what bigotry is, being against gay marriage does not make you a bigot.
    BIGOT:a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
    Being tolerant does not mean that you have to agree with it.
    The only intolerance I can see in the above posts are yours and Tom tank, so who is the real bigot.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    12:54pm
    Graeme - throwing polygamy into the equation is called an extension of argument in debating - totally irrelevant to the debate and of no interest to the Australian public - but worth a try if the opponent is silly enough to take the bate and chases the irrelevant point.

    If people were tolerant and took the time to walk in LGBTI shoes - we would not have to have this plebiscite and it would walk through parliament and we would move on with marriage equality accepted.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    I can't agree with you Reasons. Australians will be asked for their opinion on same sex marriage in the proposed plebiscite, not how they feel about what effect it has on others.
    HarrysOpinion
    29th Jun 2016
    2:03pm
    SSM really does not bother me. Though, it is interesting, that on past proposals in the Australian parliament for SSM it was rejected on 7 different occasions.
    Decriminalisation of homosexuality was imposed on to our society by tweaking the Discrimination Act first and then legislated in state parliaments. I think Tasmania was the last state to do so after a very long time. One has to wonder if a plebiscite was held on the homosexuality issue back then whether the majority would have said YES or NO. We'll never know, but I reckon ,that it would have been a huge NO. Penny Wong's reasons and fears against the plan for current plebiscite on the issue of SSM are unfounded. If she really feared being abused she wouldn't have 'come-out' ages ago in the first place. What Penny Wong fears is that the plebiscite outcome will be a huge NO. So if the outcome is NO then it's the will of the majority in our society that LGBTI members will have to live with. If it's a YES then all against SSM will have to live with it.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    2:07pm
    I agree Old Man - the plebiscite wording will be skewed by the Libs to try and effect a no vote.

    The wording will go something like this...

    "Considering the high likelihood of God striking you, your family and your pets STONE DEAD on leaving the voting booth should you vote YES to marriage equality - please vote YES if you dare - or NO if you want to live. Good Luck!
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    2:11pm
    Reason, it is only irrelevant to you, because it points out the hypocrisy of those that support gay marriage and not polygamy. I am sure that those that want a polygamous relationship would not be happy with you calling them irrelevant.
    Somehow you think it is not correct to discriminate against 2 people, but if you discriminate against 3 or more then it's irrelevant?
    I am ambivalent to both gay marriage and polygamy, but find it totally hypocritical that you and many others can support one and not the other when the exact same reasoning applies to both cases with just a change of numbers.
    Your excuse that "no interest to the Australian public " is simply that an excuse and does not change your hypocrisy.
    HarrysOpinion
    29th Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    Graeme? What about the issue of some men and women wanting to marry their pets such as cats, dogs, reptiles etc. Is it not hypocritical not to allow this? How far can the society go in changing its traditional structures to progressive ones?
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    HS, bestiality is a bit different to polygamy as you well know. For thousands of years polygamy has been supported by countless number of societies and is still done so today.
    You may have desires to have relationships with your pets but 99.9999999% of people do not. Plus can you tell me how the pet is able to express it's consent?
    But I do agree in principle to the problem of determining deviant behaviour.
    Is there a threshold percentage of participation below which behaviour changes from acceptable to deviant, and who gets to set this threshold?
    FrankC
    29th Jun 2016
    10:48pm
    The marriage was consummated, because Jesus had brothers.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    2:54pm
    Let them marry. It does not affect me in any way if they do, but it affects them greatly if they can't. It is the only legal way you can currently have an incontestable will if one partner dies, and all kinds of other legal privileges that married couples have that are not available to "partners".
    JAID
    1st Jul 2016
    2:09pm
    Not with you on this at all Robbo. Liberty for one and for all.

    Just the same, I am not sure why the word 'marriage' has to be used rather than something else meaning fully fledged civil partnership. The religions have taken the word 'marriage' to mean something which same-sex partnership doesn't mean to them and I don't see that there was any need to push that in their (the religious side) face when all that was really required for equality of liberty was equality of situational rights.

    On 'deviant behaviour' later in the replies above. Deviance is the degree of rarity compared with the norm and not an acceptable reason for maintaining a different qualtiy of liberty for one than for another UNLESS it also involves something which negatively impacts the rights of others. You would be hard pressed, I think, to call same-sex relationships deviant given the substantial percentage of total relationships they represent. It would be much more difficult again to prove that the form of relationship negatively impacts the rights of others. The simple truth if you are prepared to look at it is that by denying equal liberty to those in same sex relationships as in male/female relationships we are negatively impacting a significant sector of society for no good socially protective reason.
    PlanB
    2nd Jul 2016
    3:37pm
    Add me to the dead set against too -- I am all for legal rights and allowing them to be together -- but NOT marriage.

    I am also VERY much against the Gay Mardi Gras.
    Steff
    29th Jun 2016
    11:07am
    How come a group of people who represent such a small percentAge of the poulation can wield so much power and influence
    Ehy is everyone so afraid of them?
    Gee Whiz
    29th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    Agree entirely Steff. The only reason Turnbull is promoting the plebiscite is to secure the homosexual vote.

    He did the same thing with the Muslims. Over the last twelve months he has given them $10 million dollars to buy their votes.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    Gee Whiz and Bill Shorten hasn"t?
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    11:48am
    Steff, this happens with religions, too. To say which ONE would mean this comment would be deleted, but they represent about 2.5% of the population. Guessed it?
    HarrysOpinion
    29th Jun 2016
    2:06pm
    How come a group of people who represent such a small percentAge of the poulation can wield so much power and influence
    Ehy is everyone so afraid of them?

    - Interesting question. Age Pensioners represent about 20% of voters, When will Age Pensioners wake up to themselves that they are real power too?
    HarrysOpinion
    29th Jun 2016
    2:30pm
    In case no one noticed in 1998 the number of Muslims immigrants entering Australia increased dramatically under Labor's watch especially the number that could afford to invest $60,000 or was it $600,000?
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    2:56pm
    HS, the truth is a very controversial subject on this site, and although I love to speak and hear it, we often have our comments deleted. I HOPE YOURS ISN'T! Mine have been.
    Labor's Al Grassby also let MANY criminals into this country. Money talks,no one walks.
    Things that are ever so evident to you and I the government closes an, no, BOTH eyes to because they are only interested in appeasing the majority so they can fill their pockets while they are in office - a short term answer to THEIR lives while it is a death sentence to the country.
    I hope this isn't deleted.
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    11:55pm
    Who are Them mate .... respect please them ...are also people same as you and all of us no difference at all
    Just in case you need education this article will give you small clue have a read

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-lesbian-gay-bisexual-trans-and-intersex-people

    Nothing wrong with Muslim people by the way HS is the way we screen the immigrants that apply or arrive by boat or whatever from wherever they come from.

    Read and learn about our immigration and border protection Law and procedures you will find lots of answers
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    2:57pm
    No need to be afraid of them but there is a need to respect them.
    maxchugg
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:00pm
    Steff, haven't you noticed that these days minorities rule, and they owe their success to stereotyping with labels invented for those who dare to differ. Once the label is attached, it cannot be removed and will become incontrovertible proof of bigotry and intolerance, irrespective of a mass of evidence in support of the opinions held.

    Radical feminists are a classic example and claim to be a persecuted minority group despite the fact that women form a slightly greater percentage of the population than men. Although prostate cancer kills more people than breast cancer, compare the funding and concern. There is an office for the status of women, no such organisation for men. I could go on, but I am already labelled a misogynist.

    In Tasmania $5 million in compensation was paid to the so-called stolen generation, yet the heavily biased, pro-aboriginal Bringing them Home Report grudgingly admits that there was no stolen generation in Tasmania. Recent publicity showed that funding for aboriginal legal aid in Tasmania was $2.3 million a year, for others there is practically nothing. Much more factual information could be presented but would be disregarded because the racist label defeats any logical argument.

    Although it is not only politically incorrect to promote the traditional views of marriage, as the Catholic Church recently discovered in Hobart, doing so can lead to legal consequences and will certainly earn the homophobic label. Yet those who deviate from the traditional view of marriage are entirely free to promote their views, immune from any form of legal redress and the label.

    The latest entry in this contest relates to those who do not accept an argument that women are inferior to men. Those of this persuasion have long lists of rules and demands totally at odds with our democratic way of life, but to publicly list them would also earn the Islamophobic label.

    Like many others, I lost family members who died in world wars to protect our democracy and way of life. It is becoming increasingly apparent that they wasted their lives because what could not be achieved by force of arms is succeeding by intimidation. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword.
    phantom
    29th Jun 2016
    11:18am
    Blackmailing the politicians into voting "yes" is wrong. If they vote "no" they are branded homophobic. Peoples choice or pollies with no choice?
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    11:45am
    A plebiscite is a referendum on an issue where - if a majority of Australian's vote for marriage equality - that majority will of the people needs to be passed through parliament.

    A democracy can't have a bunch of right-wing fruit-loops like Bernardy, Andrews, Abbott, Brandis, Abetz, Dutton, etc then deciding their whacko ideology and beliefs have far more weight than the majority of Australians - and try to overturn the majority decision should it be in favour of marriage equality.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    A plebiscite is NOT a referendum. A plebiscite is a nationwide vote to gauge public feedback on a political proposal. This is different to a referendum which is a national vote on an amendment to the Constitution
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    1:25pm
    Pedantics - but a plebiscite is better - you only need a majority of people across Australia for it to be the will of the people - a referendum requires a majority of voters in a majority of states.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    It is not pedantics, there is one huge difference between them, in that there is no requirements for the pollies to follow the outcome of a plebiscite. If the outcome is close they can rightfully say that it is only the feeling of the the majority at this moment and in a few months this might change.
    HarrysOpinion
    29th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    A plebiscite is non-binding but, it will demonstrate the will of the people one way or another to force or reject SSM legislation.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    4:49pm
    Yes I agree, but only if definitive, if there is only a 1 or 2 percent difference in the vote, no matter which way it goes, then it would be totally valid to say that the result may differ if held a year later
    Strummer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:46am
    I agree Graeme, a plebiscite is not a referendum. A plebiscite is the means for a cowardly government to make a decision with having to accept any blame. Don't forget, this is an Abbott government policy that Turnbull has to support to keep the rat-bag right quiet.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    3:04pm
    The homophobes will come out of the woodwork as soon as the date of the plebiscite is announced. You haven't seen hate until you've witnessed someone like Danny Nahlia preach.

    A plebiscite is not legally binding on the parliament. Spend $160 Mill and Tony Abbott, George Brandis, Loyenhelm, Abetts et al will still vote against it.

    A conscience vote assumes that MPs have a conscience.
    ???
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    3:04pm
    The homophobes will come out of the woodwork as soon as the date of the plebiscite is announced. You haven't seen hate until you've witnessed someone like Danny Nahlia preach.

    A plebiscite is not legally binding on the parliament. Spend $160 Mill and Tony Abbott, George Brandis, Loyenhelm, Abetts et al will still vote against it.

    A conscience vote assumes that MPs have a conscience.
    ???
    The Librarian
    29th Jun 2016
    11:26am
    If Turnbull is convinced that most people are for it then pass the legal changes required. A plebiscite is just a waste of money , not economically appropriate in times of hardship particularly as the cost will be significantly higher dealing with the outomes of the process. Typical of the Turnbull government or rather rather lack of government that we have become used to. No real plan and no guts to tackle major issues.
    Chat
    29th Jun 2016
    2:07pm
    I agree completely --- this is a waste of money! Regardless of the result of the plebiscite there is no obligation on the part of the government to pass/not pass a bill in relation to it. It is just a very expensive poll.
    Merri
    29th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    I'm dead agains it and all the people in my family both young and old are dead against.
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    1:52pm
    Hear! Hear! I am dead against the plebiscite, too, Merri. Parliament should just amend the marriage act to allow same-sex marriage.

    29th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    I couldn't give a "rat's" one way or the other on this issue. Turnaway is walking the tightrope on this one, not committing himself so as to get as many votes as possible without giving an answer, and making another show that he is as weak as water. Pathetic!
    Auction Girl
    29th Jun 2016
    11:56am
    Totally agree with the plebiscite as this is a decision to be made by the PEOPLE and not the pollies. The decision is a social one and not a political one.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    The problem is that the polies don't actually have to follow a plebiscites outcome, as it is nothing more than a nationwide opinion pole.
    If a plebiscite came out 70-30 then the polies would be stupid to ignore it, but if it were only 51-49, then they could use the excuse that the margin is so small that in a few months with people changing their mind the result may be different.
    JAID
    1st Jul 2016
    2:17pm
    I disagree on the plebiscite Auction Girl. Only because it is time and money spent on something that any applying their sense of a fair go will recognise as consistent with our goal of maximising liberty.

    Government should simply show leadership, go ahead and ratify same sex marriage as a matter of justice and liberty.
    bazza
    29th Jun 2016
    12:01pm
    Whilst we are having a plebiscite on same sex marriage, how about including a question to the people as to legalising euthanasia, which to my thought is a far more important subject than same sex marriage, a union which is already available by way of a civil union to those persons who wish to say I'm a married to a person of the same sex.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    12:59pm
    Totally agree, and why not throw in a few other contentious issue as well such as medical marijuana and a few others. The cost of a plebiscite is not the counting.
    But this will never happen as the pollies don't want the people to have say in how the country is run
    mogo51
    29th Jun 2016
    12:02pm
    I do not care what people do in the privacy of their own home. I am against same sex 'marriage' in that its needs to find its own name. Marriage is the unity between a male and a female and should be kept as such.
    If others want to carry on differently, that is their choice, whether I agree or not. But find another name for it please.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    3:08pm
    You would need to find another name that has the same legal standing. e.g. on one partners death the property automatically goes to the other part, incontestably. The only way that happens now if the two people are Married.
    Troubadour
    29th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    What an inane comment Reasons. We were talking about discussions in general not necessarily
    from this site - there is more in the world out there you know!! Also, for your information
    some younger people do check out this site, they like to have a good knowledge of all
    classes of society.
    johnp
    29th Jun 2016
    12:12pm
    Hang on $160million !! That could do a hell of a lot of good for the country used for other purposes. Just give the same sex marriage the go ahead within parliament and leave it at that. Nothing is going to change in a practical sense within society whether they are defactos or otherwise as they have the same rights anyway
    BtL
    29th Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    I agree with johnp.
    The plebiscite will be totally useless unless it includes the fine print on what changes will be made to the the law -- same sex marriage and its ramifications means different things to different people.
    Brexit is a classic example of what will go wrong with a plebiscite, especially if the vote is close. The matter should be left as an election issue, just like superannuation changes.
    Puglet
    29th Jun 2016
    12:18pm
    I can't understand why so many posters on this site object to equality in marriage. Apart from the couple who are marrying it isn't anyone else's business. Once the legislation is passed (and it will be) heterosexual couples won't be forced into LGBTI marriages and their legal status will remain the same and they will remain 'married' until of course 50% of the first and second timers divorce.
    Charlie
    29th Jun 2016
    12:21pm
    I think the prime minister deliberately addressed the matter in a way that it would be misleading, so not as to appear anti gay just before the election. He said that it would go through parliament, if the plebiscite (vote by all Australians) was in favour of it.

    I have nothing against gays teaming up for the long term, but we all know what a marriage is and these types of relationships are not a marriage. So lets not start manipulating the meaning of words, or 10years down the track there are going to be some very confused young people coming into the world.

    The world seems to be full of people these days who want to twist the meaning of words to their own advantage. Equality is another one that has been distorted. It means "equal rights" and depends on what a persons rights are to begin with and how well those rights can be applied to another person. It doesn't mean that suddenly everything is going to be the same between two entities.

    Another word frequently distorted is racism. It means discriminating against a person because of their race. It doesn't mean saying that a person is black because they belong to a certain race of people. This is a simple statement of fact along with any other truthful characteristic of a certain race of people. There seems to be some things vanishing from the English language because they might be taken as racist. Like the truth.

    But getting back to the original topic I am against misleading people, that a gay relationship is a type of marriage. I support what we have practiced for centuries that marriage is about producing children within that man-woman bond and providing security for children and their children's children.There are a lot of one off arguments that disagree with this, but they are only one off arguments and are not strong enough to change the way that things are done.
    jackyd
    29th Jun 2016
    1:00pm
    Back you on that Charlie!
    Drewbie
    29th Jun 2016
    12:22pm
    All I can say is, " be careful for what you wish for, or say yes to" regarding this issue. Quite honestly I'm in a monogamous heterosexual marriage & fairly happy with it; what marriage runs perfectly smooth I ask you. Marriage, as we all well know, traditionally has been between male & female partners; but what a lot of people don't get is this. For many years, same sex couples have enjoyed the exact same legal rights as heterosexual couples do.

    So why this tunnel vision mind set of the LGBT community agenda is often pretty much beyond comprehension. Again being careful of "what you wish for" take a good, hard, detailed look at what's currently being perpetrated on innocent heterosexual couples across the U.S. when they "respectfully" decline to agree with & haven't committed any harm whatsoever to a militant LGBT agenda, wherever they live. They have been hung, drawn & quartered through the Courts by the LGBT groups, just because they use their legal right to say, "no.

    Don't believe me? Look up massresistance.org & read for yourselves. The articles are a definite eye-opener & yes, quite sickening to read, but worth doing so until the end.
    As a taxpayer I'd much rather pay for a plebiscite & have a say/choice, than have something foisted on me without my "informed" consent. I particularly don't want Australia to rush headlong into something that, as a nation, we collectively will hugely regret later on & cost even more to rectify through the repeal process.
    sidney70
    29th Jun 2016
    12:24pm
    I do not know what all the hoo haa is about. Most people these days do not get married ,they just live together in a union. Why not get rid of the word Marriage totally and just call it a union. We should except everyone as Gods creation and let God deal with it.
    Sundays
    29th Jun 2016
    12:26pm
    Well everyone I know is for same sex marriage, so I must move in different older groups. I'm not gay and have been married for 45 years, but if gay people want to marry, that is fine with me. They are not insisting that these marriages take place in churches whose views would not allow it. All adult, consenting couples should have the same rights, and not be discriminated against.
    Sundays
    29th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    PS, I live in Regional Queensland, so not a city yuppie
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    At the moment they are not insisting marriages take place in churches whose views would not allow it. But given the fact that they already have equal rights as a civil union couple and just want the term "marriage" to apply to their civil union, 10 years down the track they will be complaining that their rights are being abused by churches that refuse to marry them, maybe then we will have an excuse to get rid of churches that follow a stone age religion.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    You are TOTALLY uniformed Graeme - SSM couples do NOT have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

    They are NOT treated the same when it comes to claims on Super and other assets if their partner dies or they separate as a defacto couple or have the same rights under family law.

    So, NO, they are not just fighting for the term marriage at all - they are also fighting for the same rights as every other heterosexual Australian gets by default.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    5:29pm
    In Qld they were given that right under civil unions by the LNP, it is not my problem if the other states are backward. There is no need to offend half the population by changing the marriage laws when civil union legislation will give them all that they need to have equal rights and have support from 95% of the population (unless your being pedantic and actually want to offend half the population)
    https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/marriage-weddings-and-civil-partnerships/civil-partnerships/entering-a-civil-partnership/
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    6:01pm
    The LNP! the LNP! in Qld! Qld! - gave LGBTI folk the same legal rights as heterosexual couples eh?

    I think you better go look at your link above and then do some more thorough research.
    KSS
    29th Jun 2016
    12:41pm
    I would like to know why it is that the 'yes' side of the fence, those who want/support same sex marriage, are the ones with the loudest voices ranting against the plebiscite on the grounds of providing “taxpayer-funded platform for homophobia” and openly insulting all those on the 'nay' side of the fence.

    If people are so sure of the outcome (either way) why are they so scared of the public having their say? Why is it OK for the LGTBI sector to openly insult and ridicule those who oppose them for whatever reason, yet it is not OK for that same opposition to even admit they are opposed - however politely expressed?

    Yes I get that 'life' is not always easy for the LGTBI community and that stigma and discrimination play a part in that; but guess what? Life isn't always a picnic for straight men and women either. I would like to see more adult, civil dialogue between the groups instead of this playground bullying and 'who can shout insults the loudest' competition we are in now and which will only get worse regardless of who wins on 2 July, as long as this issue remains.
    synergex
    29th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    Why is advocating equality for all Australians a rant?
    Why do we need a $160million plebiscite when Howard altered the Marriage Act with the stroke of a pen because of his faith and to shore up his power base. Faith should have no place in this decision. It is a matter of equality and justice.
    Why are the bigots so afraid of equality?
    And yes I do know the meaning of bigot.
    Do not discriminate aginst those who do you no harm.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    5:49pm
    Who says it's got anything to do with bigotry or fear of equality, synergex?

    I am opposed to same sex marriage on the basis that marriage between a man and a woman is part of our culture and heritage and has been for a long time. We are, historically, a Christian nation, and Christian marriage is between man and woman.

    I have no issue with gays being afforded respect and fair rights, but I do have an issue with them claiming the right of ''marriage''. Why can't we devise a different form of partnership that has similar rights and benefits?

    That's a personal view and no doubt, like others who speak out, I'll be attacked for having an opinion and branded all sorts of nasty names and accused of prejudice and bigotry. But who are the real bigots? The people who DEMAND that the public support a radical change in our culture and beliefs based on claims that the majority want it. Where is the evidence of that claimed majority opinion? There is none! Half those who oppose gay marriage are too afraid to speak out because they will be abused and accused. The ridicule and abuse on social media of anyone who dares to speak against gay marriage has ensured that the majority view will never be known.

    In the US, the problem has reversed. It's the straight community now who suffer discrimination and unfairness. I predict the same will happen here. In fact, it IS happening. Minority groups enjoy all sorts of privileged not afforded to ordinary white working-class Australians. So called ''equality and justice'' really means ''preferential treatment''. And that's the real problem here. Nobody WANTS equality and justice.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    The EXACT same reasons that the people who support gay marriage use can be said for polygamy, with just an increase in the numbers.
    Anyone who supports gay marriage and does not support polygamy is a hypocrite.
    Tom Tank
    29th Jun 2016
    1:06pm
    Absolute nonsense Graeme. One does not follow the other ande shows a lack of clear thinking.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:16pm
    Really Tom, and just how did you come that that brilliant decision, please provide a reason for gay marriage that can not be applied to polygamy, instead of just dribbling on your keyboard.
    I would say that it is you that has no clear thinking
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    I will start with with what seems to be the biggest point the gay marriage proponents use.
    It is discrimination not to allow 2 consenting adults to marry simply based on their gender.
    This can be changed to;
    It is discrimination not to allow 3 or more consenting adults to marry simply based on their gender and quantity

    QED
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:33pm
    Personally, I am ambivalent to both gay marriage and polygamy as I don't care about what others do that have zero affect on me, but I do find those that support one and not the other to be hypocrites of the highest order.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    1:55pm
    Tom Tank - I will also go with the lack of clear thinking.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    2:42pm
    Reason, you full of opinion, but very light on facts (as normal) maybe you can supply a reason for gay marriage that does not apply to polygamy.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    3:31pm
    I am only interested in dealing with the facts on the SSM issue - so I can't assist you in your erroneous supposition.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    Reason, exactly as I thought, you're full of hot air and in denial when it comes to fact. if it was so erroneous as you insist then it should be very easy to supply a counter argument, your silence actually means that you are just too embarrassed to admit you can't.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    6:11pm
    It is just silly - I have zero interest.
    Tom Tank
    29th Jun 2016
    9:56pm
    My point Graeme is that you believe that gay marriage automatically leads to polygamy which it simply doesn't as they are two separate issues.
    To state otherwise is an indication of a lack of clear thinking.
    I have no doubt that you believe that approval for one will lead to approval for the other but because it is your believe that does not make it factual.
    Personal invective against others actually damages your case.
    synergex
    29th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    Why do we need a $160million plebiscite when Howard altered the Marriage Act with the stroke of a pen because of his faith and to shore up his power base. Faith should have no place in this decision. It is a matter of equality and justice.
    Why are the bigots so afraid of equality?
    And yes I do know the meaning of bigot.
    Do not discriminate aginst those who do you no harm.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    No that is not the definition of bigotry, go look it up.
    BIGOT: a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
    Tolerance does not mean that you have to agree with them
    Idontforget
    29th Jun 2016
    1:02pm
    All this talk about marriage 'equality'' is just a trumped up and worn out phrase used by a small group of people to support a selfish agenda. The list of 'inequalities' in our existence trumps this hands down. What about the 'inequality' when it refers to the average person obtaining Justice, what about the 'inequality' when it comes to obtaining prompt and up to date Health Care. And money buys those two. What about the 'inequality' when it comes to the standard of existence for aboriginal people.

    This marriage equality bleatings does not even appear on my list of inequalities that are all around us.
    Ianf
    29th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    Another typical journo use of "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" What a load of rubbish the article is! Seems to me the author has a very limited access to real data or a vivid imagination. Yes, I am homophobic and proud of it! It disgusts me when the like of Penny Wrong (misspelt intentionally) can parade with a child being brought up to think that same sex relationships are the norm! OK, same sex relations have existed since pre biblical times but so has beheading, beastiality and a whole raft of activities that we in a modern society believe to be not acceptable. The Sydney Mardi Gras is a classic case of excellent seripticious marketing but still does not make it acceptable to what I believe to be the majority opinion of sane and rational Australians.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:39pm
    I would not say you are homophobic, as a phobia is defined as an irrational fear, you don't seem very afraid of them by your comments. The word homophobic has been corrupted by the leftist media, just as they wish to change the definition of the word marriage.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    3:44pm
    HEY Mr Ianf - you might be surprised how many Australians are not homophobes, are hetrosexual and might consider your position on LGBTI to be abnormal, irrational and of dubious sanity.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    Reason, you might be surprised how many Australians would consider your opinion to be abnormal, irrational and of dubious sanity. Everyone is entitled to their opinion without abuse, we are not mindless robots.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    1:04pm
    The notion of same sex marriage is not supported by Christians at all, and if it is then they are not Christians. The only true Christian Approach are these words of the Christ, the Lord Yeshua, the last and final word on this issue.

    'And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.' Matthew 19:5,6

    Same sex marriage is a great evil and exceeding wickedness and brings the reproach of sin, because righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people

    'And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' Genesis 6:5
    This verse reveals to us an understanding of the teachings of Yeshua the Son of God when he said; 'But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.' Matthew 24:37

    I cite these texts to show the wickedness of those times and, and how these times today are the same for as it says, 'every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.'

    This so very succinctly describes same sex marriage and brings man one step closer to the coming of the Lord and the wrath of God
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    1:46pm
    While your suffering from verbal diarrhoea don't forget';
    Timothy 2:12
    Samuel 15:3
    Exodus 22:18
    Psalm 137
    Ephesians 5:22
    Peter 2:18
    and many others you hypocrite
    The Librarian
    29th Jun 2016
    1:51pm
    I thought you would want the coming of the Lord.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    HA HA, so now I'm a hypocrite for my comment HA HA
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    2:38pm
    PIXAPD - as soon as someone tries to argue that there is 'only one way' - it immediately tells the reader that there are probably several other ways in reality.

    Your brand of Christianity might be blind to reality - but fortunately not all Christians will be quite so bound to a self-serving interpretation of old, convoluted texts.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    2:45pm
    I've got some real bad news for anyone who claims to be a Christian and is or supports the sodomites/catamites and lesbians, who supports same sex marriage, who supports the mardi gras......that news is this..... YOU are NOT a CHRISTIAN
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    2:47pm
    Yes, your a hypocrite, you use your bible to support your opinion on gays, but you ignore your bible when it comes to slavery, murder genocide misogyny or a hundred other despicable acts
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Graeme.. You seem to be somewhat upset, jittery, unwell, nervous, troubled in mind, body soul and spirit. You have been hurt at some stage? and I am your whipping post for your inward anger.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    3:24pm
    PIXAPD - ever thought of training ISIS extremists?

    There's definitely a job for someone with your level of thought processes somewhere in their organisation!
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    3:54pm
    The following poem says it all.

    THE WICKEDNESS OF MAN

    They worship not the Creator -
    Who is blessed forever: amen
    But they bow before the creation;
    And worship the creature in man.

    So God gave them over to passions
    Both women and men as well,
    They work that which is evil
    For them, their own place is hell.

    The sodomite, the lesbian
    Have turned from the natural way;
    Working that which is filthy
    To their lusts they have given sway.

    Women with women in wickedness;
    Men that mate with their kind
    The sight of them all is in darkness
    They all have a reprobate mind.

    Their practices are the damnation
    A recompence which is meet;
    God has given them over to Satan
    The cup of their sin they must eat.

    For they have changed the glory of God
    Into an image of corruptible man,
    Of birds and fourfooted beasts
    They have made God whatever they can.

    This wickedness of man might be
    A sin that you practice too?
    I say repent and turn unto Yeshua -
    Read Romans, chapter one for you.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    PIXAPD - you demonstrate extreme enthusiasm and a very special fondness for the LGBTI agenda - are you holding back on your real feelings?
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    5:03pm
    Pixapd, why do you not try and defend your point of view and supply counter arguments, rather than demeaning yourself by resulting to thinly vailed insults.
    You have not tried to counteract the point that your god or his man made bible says the slavery, murder genocide misogyny or a hundred other despicable acts are perfectly ok.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    5:07pm
    READ ROMANS 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9
    Retired Knowall
    29th Jun 2016
    5:09pm
    Hey PIXAPD, Did your God create the LGBTI's?
    Did HE, SHE, IT create them in HIS, HER, IT's image?
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    10:11pm
    PIXAPD yes you hypocrite in my book just small note for you to learn that about 11%+ of Australians are Gay or Lesbian
    also read about the Law and I suggest you be very careful when you walk around and see or deal with any LGBT person
    Read this and learn about ...

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-lesbian-gay-bisexual-trans-and-intersex-people#fn19

    Then open your mind to the reality of the world you are living now and remember is 2016 not the 1800's
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    3:56pm
    The first three words in your Holy Book have been replaced since it was written. The current version says "In the Beginning", originally it said "Once Upon a Time"

    If you put so much store in fairy tales, why do you fear fairies?
    Dukki
    29th Jun 2016
    1:19pm
    I'm al for it . As I do honestly believe that people should have the same rights as the "normal" type people . As they have to pay the same taxes as as a married couple, along with all the other married situations. So I say YES to the certin
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    8:21am
    :-) Bit of a back handed insult to LBGTI people there. Reads like you are saying they are "not normal".
    I'm sure they will appreciate your "Ye"s vote regardless.
    jackyd
    29th Jun 2016
    1:19pm
    The ceremony of marriage is a part of human history in order to recognize among the tribe the bonding of a couple to procreate life under the protection of the family unit in recognition to maintain and enhance the tribe.
    Our own indigenous history suggests no such ceremonies included same-sex couples.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:00pm
    Are you saying that people over 50 (not being able to procreate) should be banned from marrying?

    I find it interesting that geese partner for life but have sex with geese outside the partnership. This is because a lot of geese partnerships for life are same sex, both male or both female.

    Do you think God designed them this way?
    jex
    29th Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    I disagree with the comment "same-sex marriage legally binding is something the majority of Australians have already expressed a desire to see happen" What data are you using that proves this? I believe the majority of Australians don't believe in same sex marriage. The idea of two people marrying is to produce children, how can same sex couples possibly do that ??
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    Many. many polls have shown consistent majority (around 70%) support for same-sex marriage. Google it.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    2:15pm
    The WHOLE WORLD might desire same sex marriage..BUT..that does not make is right...evil remains evil, wickedness remains wickedness, abomination remains abomination, even when applauded.

    'Men play the part of women, and women that of men, contrary to nature. Women are at once both wives and husbands......O miserable spectacle! Horrible conduct !'...Clement of Alexandria c. 195
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    "Let people live their lives and love as they choose PROVIDED they hurt no-one"...Rod C2016
    jex
    29th Jun 2016
    5:33pm
    Surely you are not relying on polls as reliable data, you have to be joking ????
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    9:50pm
    Many polls from several different companies using proven methodology - yes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Australia#Polling
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    8:33am
    Rod 63 I have no personal feeling on the outcome but don't believe the 70% figure either. Personally , I have never met anyone who has ever been polled and among many of those same people none are in favour.
    That's why I believe many LBGTI people are so opposed to a plebiscite. They know that 70% figure may be true, but only in inner Sydney.They may be able to get the ear of parliamentarians easily but they know that the whole community is not supportive. Many people I know don't care one way or another but if they were forced to vote they would vote No . They wouldn't bother voting if it was a plebiscite though,so a plebiscite which isn't compulsory ,may actually work in the LBGTIs favour.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:03pm
    Jex "I believe the majority of Australians don't believe in same sex marriage."

    It is not a faith thing. You don't have to believe. You just have to allow them to live their lives.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    1:24pm
    Australia is now in the grip of some sort of rabid panic to bring about same sex marriage, and that by a plebiscite. This is at least better than allowing a conscience vote by politicians hoping to get favour with a minority group who want things their own way. Even if a plebiscite went against those of us who will say NO, at least we would have had the opportunity to declare our opposition to such a reprobate notion.

    I might add that wickedness made legal still remains wickedness.
    Retired Knowall
    29th Jun 2016
    5:13pm
    And Ignorance and Bigotry still remains Ignorance and Bigotry.
    I thought Your God was infallible. Did he make a mistake making the LGBTI's or are you the faulty one?

    29th Jun 2016
    1:42pm
    This has become such a talking point that a plebiscite is the only way that the will of the people can be judged. Politicians who have a firm belief one way or the other are merely expressing a personal opinion which may or may not be the opinions of the majority of their electorate. Labor has declared it will block a plebiscite but maybe this is not an ideological stance but merely a sop for the Greens. I support a plebiscite.
    Vic
    29th Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    I agree with you, Robbo. I know a handfull of pro-people and I accept them doing whatever else they like, but I'm against same-sex marriage.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:04pm
    They're not against your marriage, why should you be against theirs?
    Ayin
    29th Jun 2016
    2:32pm
    Why oh why did they not just have a small additional box on the ballot paper asking are you in agreement with same sex marriage either yes or no simple all over and done with. The marriage mentioned in the Bible refers to the ancient Hebrew practice in which the Groom collected the bride from her family home and took her to his and they had a good party and were considered married. The marriage ceremony that we basically celebrate today came into being some 380 years AD and its proponent was Pagan before becoming a bishop in the Christian church, he then returned to Paganism once again.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    2:57pm
    Yes, I agree adding to the vote would have been a very cost effective solution, but that assumes that the pollies actually want to go ahead with it and it is not just a delaying tactic, so as they can try to appease as many people as possible without actually doing anything
    lauren
    29th Jun 2016
    3:07pm
    I walk with a lot of people in the morning, walking our dogs, and am hearing quite a lot of people against it, there is a lot of dirt behind the scenes and a lot of bullying going on, from media and gay community, which is so sad. The root of bullying is fear, fear of losing, so they have to abuse, name calling anyone who has a different opinion. Sad.
    JAID
    1st Jul 2016
    2:20pm
    I do see something of the same thing Lauren. It is sad and there are other ways. Yet, when a group is denied the liberty others accept as a natural right urgency would have an effect.
    Johnny
    29th Jun 2016
    3:25pm
    Call it same sex anything but MARRIAGE
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    3:55pm
    Same sex wickedness will do
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    8:39am
    Marriage....a combination or mixture of elements.
    "her music is a marriage of funk, jazz, and hip hop"
    synonyms: union, alliance, fusion, amalgamation, combination, affiliation, association, connection, coupling, merger, unification; informal hook-up
    "the piece is a marriage of jazz, pop, and gospel"

    Personally I don't give a crap if it's passed or not . it has nothing to do with me but if the only objection is to the word marriage being used then ...Really....
    if the law allows two gay people to live together then does it really matter what they call their Union or coupling or association
    Johnny
    29th Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    What about the children in this sorry affair? It's well known that most children thrive with a male and female role model. I said most!
    lauren
    29th Jun 2016
    3:34pm
    Yes Johnny, I know of a couple of cases, where the children, one is a teenager and the other two people I know are in their early 20's, they have been stopped from speaking by the media, and TV to get their story across. The media does not want to hear their pain, they have told me that they feel they don't count. Sad. I know that there are many more cases like that right around the world, but because of this push to get same sex through, the powers that be, don't want to know.
    Graeme
    29th Jun 2016
    5:09pm
    And not to mention the treatment that they receive from other children at school, because young children are not afraid of being politically incorrect. My granddaughter suffered to the point that she no longer wanted to school over the taunts of her having two mothers
    JAID
    1st Jul 2016
    2:22pm
    There are sad, exceptional and happy cases all sides of this story.
    Not Senile Yet!
    29th Jun 2016
    5:35pm
    No the plebiscite is a waste of tax payer's money!
    Let them vote on it in Parliament.....and Publish the Yes & No's . Cos all the Mp'so that Vote No....will be unemployed next election....regardless of Party!
    This is 2016...not 1966/1976/1986......move on and ditch the Religious Waffle!
    razza
    29th Jun 2016
    5:39pm
    THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE HOAX
    What is it really about . It is about the State prescribing what constitutes a religious sacrament . The marriage sacrament has been well defined for thousands of years any attempt to turn it on its ear and destroy the sacrament by Government is a slippery slope and in a democracy is a shameful discrimination against the Christiian Church and the Culture of our land. The LGBT should not seek to bury our culture our great Democracy which is Fair and provides full equal civil rights as opposed to the ideology that seeks to outbreed us within a generation or two and being facilitated by those people who want to bury our culture including our flag. This will produce a vacuum that will quickly filled with laws that will change our culture to a system to one that is diametrically opposed to our great democracy. The LGBT community will have no Civil Rights under this ideology. Now would be a good time to start thinking about this. This also a good time for LGBT to appreciate the civil rights they have in this country educate their community that they have every right to be what they want to be just as an atheist has every right to his views and Christians have the right to maintain the sanctity of a Christian Sacrament without Government interference. There is no need for war on this issue let Fairness prevail.
    Let all sides respect each others position
    Let both sides of the argument be posted far and wide we will get a more accurate percentage figure than we have by only hearing that you can only love each other if the Government overrides a Christian Sacrament.
    The other very serious Proposal is that the people be denied in our democracy to exercise their right to vote on this Government intervention. Into the Church.
    Bill Shortons attack on people who wish to preserve our culture by calling them homophobes and referring to them as being people under a rock and the Greens referring them as dinosaurs is a very good reason added to all the other reasons including all the lies they are telling about each other currently are good reasons why we should not allow politicians to vote in a way that suits their electoral chances.
    Any politician who seeks to steal your voting birthright does not deserve your vote.
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    Razza - we need to keep religion out of this (all religions). It is a civil matter.
    Retired Knowall
    30th Jun 2016
    9:01am
    shameful discrimination against the Christiian Church and the Culture of our land????? Really?
    This land was stolen from the indigenous population and as for our culture over 70% of the population claimed to have NO Religion affiliation in the last census.
    You God Bothering Hypocrites should read your own fairy tales re tolerance and brotherly love.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:15pm
    Razza, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Australia
    In 2014, 74.1 per cent of all marriages in 2014 were solemnised by a civil celebrant.

    So no need to worry about religious wedding. Will be under 25% now and falling fast.

    When do you think the Christian Churches will start paying tax? OR even when will Christians pastors be required to pay registration fees on their cars?
    bebby
    29th Jun 2016
    5:40pm
    Why can't people just live their own lives and let others live the way they want to?
    KB
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:10pm
    I agree with you entirely bebby. Being gay is not always a choice for some people. Nor should the law discriminate against genders. People only live once so should be granted love wherever they choose. It is up to God to judge our actions on earth not people.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    29th Jun 2016
    5:44pm
    Pretty clear after reading earlier comments that many of our older Australians need to get out more. Sorry but this is the 21st century, NOT the middle ages.

    Also please note a referendum is only for changing the constitution. Marriage equality is not enshrined in that document. It just requires a legislative change. And it doesn't mean you have to become a LGBTI, promise. They just expect the respect you expect of them. It's their lives not yours.

    Your reporter incorrectly reported "Treasurer Scott (I keeping stum) Morrison, along with Deputy Primed Monster Barnyard Jolly red giant, have both promised to back same-sex marriage if the plebiscite vote is in favour." THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The treasurer has refused to commit to voting in favour of legislation if the plebicite is in favour of equality. Last night our 'death stare' foreign minister joined him. At a meeting with Barnyard outside Tamworth during his campaigning, he indicated he wanted to a free conscious vote when legislation is presented. Others are wanting to use the Australian Referendum rules (majority of voters and a majority of states). All the tories are wanting to be 'tricky johnny*' on this plebiscite. If they don't want to vote the way of the plebiscite,... then let's not have one. If they want to ignore us, don't waste $163m dollars. Have your conscience vote, but have it now - what's a plebiscite going to do, if you want vote according to its outcome. You just want to delay things - John W**ker Howard style.

    Quite frankly I am amused with the demand of a politician for such a vote. Trying to pretend they have a conscience. If they want a plebiscite instead of doing their job - it only requires a change in legislation not the constitution - then they can pay for it. Their fee lifetime, publically funded pension could easily support that.

    * 'tricky johnny' He set the question for the independance referendum, SOLELY to scarper it. He used to go around saying "the people showed they didn't want independance," with his supercillious smile on his face. Malcolm 'where's my NBN' Turncoat wants to be able to have his 'get out of jail card' because he's too lilly livered to stand up to his bigoted back bench.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:19pm
    Waiting to retire at 70 " At a meeting with Barnyard outside Tamworth during his campaigning, he indicated he wanted to a free conscious vote when legislation is presented."

    I think it is completely unreasonable of you to expect our Parliamentarians to be "conscious" when they vote.
    jamesmn
    29th Jun 2016
    5:50pm
    WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A PAPER ON THIS ISSUE INCLUDED WITH THIS ELECTION NOT RELYING ON TURNBALL WHO IS A DED SET CATHOLIC THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING UNLESS HIS PRIEST GIVES HIM THE OK.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    6:26pm
    jamesmn what a dumb assertion, let the democratic vote decide, not by a party vote who are told how to vote by a faceless group of party hacks may it be labor or liberal.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:22pm
    jamesmn, The shift lock key is on the left side of the keyboard. Please turn it off. This may not increase your credibility but you never know.

    29th Jun 2016
    5:58pm
    Is the debate really about same sex marriage? Or is it just another way to destroy the family unit and the strength that lies in family and community values? Because the greatest threat to evil power-brokers is family unity and strong moral values. And we are losing that strength.

    I don't for an instant believe the majority want same sex marriage. I believe the majority have been silenced by bullying and abuse. But whatever the majority want, we will see same sex marriage legitimized, and we will see the end of the family unit and the community values that once underpinned a strong and healthy nation.
    Kali-G
    29th Jun 2016
    6:45pm
    spot on...Socialist mind control.....
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    7:45pm
    Allowing same-sex marriage will not destroy "the family unit". In fact it will strengthen "the family unit" where it has two same-sex partners.

    And repeated reliable,reputable polls have consistently shown that the majority (around 70%) want same-sex marriage. You can't be "silenced" in a phone or internet poll taken by a reputable company.
    Anonymous
    29th Jun 2016
    8:27pm
    Yes, Kali-G, that's precisely what it is.

    Rod63, I don't know a single person who has been polled by internet or phone. I do know hundreds who oppose same sex marriage but are afraid to speak because of the bigotry and abuse they suffer for having an opinion.
    Rod63
    29th Jun 2016
    9:44pm
    With 23 million people in Australia, Rainey, it's very possible you don't know anyone who has been polled (I have). That doesn't mean they are all made up!!
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:24pm
    Rainey , same sex marriage should be legitimised. It will not be compulsory.
    Kali-G
    29th Jun 2016
    6:27pm
    Australia faces an uncertain future, the world is in disarray and our debt is growing fast!!!
    the future of our children is eroding.
    Jobs will continue to disappear as the "real power" is in the hands of the Union/mafia.
    And Shorten is urging to allow same sex marriage????????as priority????????
    men are different from woman....so they can never be equal!!!!!
    it is Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve!!!!
    we are in a moral quagmire, and decency has disappearing fast!
    Our society has reached a stage where the Roman Empire was, before it collapsed.
    Gladiator sport replaced commons sense.
    WE ARE DOOMED!
    mangomick
    29th Jun 2016
    8:16pm
    Don't give a damn either way.They can live together now so why not let them marry. I won't be voting either way. Let those who really give a sh*t decide. Personally I don't believe the LGBTI community figure of 70% in favour and definitely believe a plebiscite is the way to go but reckon that the plebiscite should have been tacked on to this election to save costs. Don't believe just the Politicians should be let to decide as I'm dead against any fringe group putting political pressure on a politician.That said I believe that if a plebiscite comes up in favour of gay marriage then the politicians have a true mandate from the people and it should be passed into law. plebiscite aren't compulsory nor should they be but the outcome should be binding on Parliament to enact..
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    mangomick "Don't believe just the Politicians should be let to decide as I'm dead against any fringe group putting political pressure on a politician"

    Do you include "big Business who don't pay tax" as a fringe group putting pressure on politicians? How about Christian churches?
    Get Real
    29th Jun 2016
    8:39pm
    I'm 68yrs old and will vote for my local member who will take my wishes to parliament and vote for the same-sex marriage bill to pass through the house. All my 'old' friends agree that this is the right course of action. For goodness sake all you self-centred ignorant folk!
    pixii
    29th Jun 2016
    8:45pm
    The plebiscite should have been arranged to coincide with Federal Election Day , saving some money I think .
    I'm PIX111 , not to be confused with PIXAPD , whose comments and quoting of the Bible are interesting , did you find anywhere giving credence to Priests and young boys ?
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    8:46pm
    Ok guys with proven sexuality guess what I am gay and part of this sexulity proven group probaly they do not like me anymore.

    I will vote for no more rubbish and leave us all alone with our sexual preferences and our rights Is is my right to marry my loving partner so maybe I fly out of Australia get marry then come back Yes that may be the answer

    I am not really Gay but what I wrote is my feeling if I were gay and everyone needs their freedom of sexual choice You all have one that was set up by your religion I refuse to accept any religion that oppose any kind of marriage this is 2016 this is the new world wake up
    mangomick
    29th Jun 2016
    9:24pm
    I treat homosexuality the same as religion. i.e I don't give a damn what you do in the privacy of your own homes but don't put your hands on my shoulders or knock on my door and expect me to take part in it.
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    9:49pm
    Very strong feeling I guess you will totally oppose to their marriage correct ??? and you will not talk to any gay person correct ??? and if you get on a shop and the attendant is gay you will walk away correct ???
    Pass the Ductape
    30th Jun 2016
    6:45am
    Aussie - That's not what mangomick is saying. Mangomick is expressing their opinion about how they feel when gay marriage is shoved in their face!
    if you have no problem with this kind of thing that's fine, but a great many of us do see a great many problems associated with it (not all of them apparent just yet) and I'm proud to say, I'm one of them.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    8:08am
    If you had read my previous post Aussie you would have read that I have no particular view and although I am in favour of a plebiscite I personally won't be taking part as i have no interest in the outcome. I won't be voting either way. I stated that Gays can already live together so letting Gays get married to me is no big deal. The point I am making in the post above is whether it is religion or homosexuality do your own thing but don't expect to win me over to your views as personally I don't give a damn.Do I believe that the LBGTI and what ever other letters of the alphabet you want to tack on the end have 70% community support, No I don't Do I think it should be left to Politicians to vote on it? No I don't. Do I think if a plebiscite comes out in favour of Gay marriage should be passed into legislation. Yes I do. I'll say this though,it's people like you who can piss people like me off enough to make us go out and vote no.
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    12:36pm
    mangomick, my apologies.

    I read to quick and miss out your point I am sorry mate
    I am probably totally paranoid about government intervention on basic human rights I have been for many many years now fighting for the establishment of the Australian bill of rights but no luck in my pursuit

    My apologies
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    7:13pm
    Aussie , No need for an apology Mate. Forums are for everyone to freely state their case. I didn't take any real offence.
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    10:00pm
    I am not sure if any of you guys/Ladies some facts about LGBT in Australia
    here is some illustration for your cultural knowledge

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/14-surprising-facts-about-lgbt-rights-in-australia?utm_term=.ilgv8ZXm9#.fm1L0PQ9l

    AND THIS MUST SEE AND READ .... very interesting information

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-lesbian-gay-bisexual-trans-and-intersex-people
    Pass the Ductape
    30th Jun 2016
    6:32am
    Sick!
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    7:46am
    I am THE GREAT OFFENDER www.richard-2782.net/thegreatoffender.htm
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    8:34am
    Did Gabriel really say that or was it some human with issues about what other people might be doing?
    Retired Knowall
    30th Jun 2016
    9:06am
    PIXAPD, if you don't stop it you will go blind.
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    9:30am
    I understand that you reprobates support wickedness, that's a given, and you can share the responsibility when suicide rates among the young go up..because of the confusion and turmoil it will bring to many. Those who will be snared into wicked practices then find they cannot escape but by suicide. INDEED you shall share the responsibility, you shall not escape that.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    10:46am
    Hope PIXAPD you are not suggesting people turn to the church to escape wickedness.
    Bit like going from the frying pan into the fire.....
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    To escape wickedness you TURN to the Lord.
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    12:46pm
    He is a religious FREAK

    What is really happend here is that we are turning the same way as people in the USA where Religion interfere with your privacy, your Rights, All political decisions and more and more.

    But when this priest play with Kids or induce heat then everybody silent

    What a bunch of Hypocrites this freaks are realy think about it and the decisions made by our politicians (previous and present) invading our rights.

    We need a Bill of Rights in Australia
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    2:26pm
    The reprobates are getting upset with me for teaching the truth
    Retired Knowall
    1st Jul 2016
    8:17am
    PIXAPD, your ONLY purpose in life it seems is to serve as a warning to others.
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    7:53am
    Christians everywhere must stand against same sex marriage declaring it an abomination, even if the plebiscite went against those of us who will say NO, at least we would have had the opportunity to declare our opposition to such a reprobate notion. I might add that wickedness made legal still remains wickedness and that marriage will forever remain between man and woman no matter what the outcome might be, it has been set in the aeons past and shall be so for the aeons to come.
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    2:11pm
    You need to learn a lot about respect so people will respect you.

    As far as I am concern you DO NOT HAVE MY RESPECT YOU ARE NOTHING FOR ME AND I AM SURE FOR MANY OF US TO

    Learn to respect others for others to respect you .... Is that in your Bible somewhere I think Ummmmm

    Stop hiding yourself under the religion and Bible ... You are not Christian you are nothing.

    Bye Bye
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    I seem to have upset the reprobates by telling the truth
    Radish
    30th Jun 2016
    8:00am
    I think the best thing to do is just get rid of "marriage" altogether.

    The meaning of marriage as between a man and a woman will eventually no longer exist.

    So why not get rid of the word and ceremony altogether. Everyone just live with whom you wish and when you get tired of each other move on to another relationship.
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    10:49am
    To all those who support same sex marriage, and you can also share the responsibility when suicide rates among the young increase; because of the confusion and turmoil it will bring to many. Those who will be snared into wicked practices then find they cannot escape but by suicide. Indeed you shall share the responsibility, you shall not escape that. If you have any conscience, any heart, any mercy, any feeling at all, think about the young.
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    Another religious Freak in our society.

    Shame of you get out from Here please stop this ridiculous religious statements hiding under the Bible

    You are lonely and have many problems you should take a break in your life and take count of your insensitive actions and statements and probably realize how wrong are you.

    WE ARE IN 2016 NOT 1800's Remember the elections are THIS SATURDAY 2016 NOT SATURDAY 1800's

    Just in case you do not realize we are in a new century

    WAKE UP
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    2:13pm
    He He He what a freak ..hiding hiding under your bible what a joke
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    2:25pm
    I note you reprobates do not care for the young
    PIXAPD
    1st Jul 2016
    10:13am
    It's closer to 1983 than 2016
    Retired Knowall
    1st Jul 2016
    2:10pm
    The suicide rates for young LGBTI's is more than 5 times that of so called straight people because of Bigoted Homophobic God Botherers like you. No wonder the MAJORITY of Aussies have Nothing to do with religion when they read the Moronic Dribble coming from half wits claiming to be chrisian.
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    2:16pm
    I do not believe what I am reading in this post we supposed to be a progressive and modern country with sensible, compassionate, progressive and understandable people .... but after reading this postings I just wonder what are we ????? now
    Odup2
    30th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    Aussie

    We are just normal human beings.

    So encouraging same sex marriage is sensible, compassionate and progressive? Where did you get that from, besides those who have unnatural sexual predilections.Give me a break!

    I am not against people who favour unnatural sexual habits. Why don't they just live their lives quietly instead of pushing their agenda on us?

    Odup2
    Odup2
    30th Jun 2016
    4:38pm
    It is not so much whether we need a plebiscite to approve same sex marriage, the real question is, do we need to waste time bothering about it?

    Could we one day be asked to approve polygamous marriages?

    How about marriage between people and animals?

    Where does this all end?

    Odup2
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    5:35pm
    wowo you are just another one of those insensitives and totally ignorant to the reality of life we are in the new century yes I will give you a break ... just continue with your 1800's thinking and total misunderstanding

    Is not that they are pushing their agenda they are fighting for their rights as people that live in Australia come on open your eyes and learn what happen in this world outside your home
    Radish
    2nd Jul 2016
    6:54pm
    "if people love each other they should be allowed to be together".

    I agree with that statement.

    BUT does this also extend to a mother who gave her son up for adoption and meets him when he is an adult and they are now in a "relationship"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529572/I-m-love-son-want-baby-Mother-falls-son-gave-adoption-32-years-ago.html

    Once the can of worms is opened who knows where all this will end.
    PlanB
    3rd Jul 2016
    11:01am
    Pepe this is going to happen over and over again what with donated sperm etc -- not one will know who the hell is who!
    The place has gone to hell in a handbasket
    Aussie
    30th Jun 2016
    6:00pm
    Only to remind you and remember that over 11% +++ of Australians are part of the LGBT population and also adult voters

    Read about their suffering and punishment that they received from people like most of you are expressing in this post. It is a shame that people like some of call yourself Australians hiding under the religion and bible probably you are not Australians

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-lesbian-gay-bisexual-trans-and-intersex-people#fn19

    I now signing off with discuss of most of your Insensitive and ignorant comments
    Birdwoman
    3rd Jul 2016
    9:47pm
    Good on you Aussie. Well said. Totally agree with you and Reason.
    PlanB
    4th Jul 2016
    7:57am
    I am not hiding behind ANY religion, I have worked with gay people and also had them as friends --I agree with full rights for them all -- but do not agree with the actual Mariage -- and do not agree with the Mardi Grass -- and quite a lot of the Gays I know also do not like the Mardi Grass either
    Radish
    30th Jun 2016
    8:40pm
    As far as I am concerned they can get rid of "marriage" altogether.
    What is the point of it. The Marriage Act will no longer be relevant as it is between a man and a woman...so what is the point of it all.
    Everyone just live with who ever you want and move onto the next partner when your relationship has run its course.
    Polygamy will be next to be made legal. No point in going against the tide; people want to do what they want to do...that is how it is today.
    PlanB
    2nd Jul 2016
    3:42pm
    Add me to the dead set against too -- I am all for legal rights and allowing them to be together -- but NOT marriage.

    I am also VERY much against the Gay Mardi Gras.
    Birdwoman
    3rd Jul 2016
    9:31pm
    Reasons - Good on you. Couldn't agree more with all your comments.
    catsahoy
    4th Jul 2016
    9:40pm
    sorry folks, this has nothing to do with the subject, but I need help, DREW, I CANNOT LOG INTO THE OTHER SITE, WILL NOT TAKE MY EMAIL, CAN YOU HELP, THANKS, CATSAHOY,

    26th Sep 2017
    7:42pm
    if you vote NO you are called a freak by the Yes vote, I rest my case!!!!!!
    Disco Diver
    27th Oct 2017
    3:53pm
    Send them to Iran for there honeymoon
    Miss Piggy
    31st Oct 2017
    6:55pm
    It's probably just the cynical me speaking, but I have to wonder about the sincerity of motive behind some of the "70% of the population who vote Yes", after reading how the wedding industry - and we know how huge that is - is rubbing it's collective hands in glee at the "bonanza" of business with which they expect, very soon, to be inundated.
    Nan Norma
    31st Oct 2017
    9:42pm
    Same sex couples want to be able to marry so they can be equal. But they can never be equal. Two left shoes or two right shoes can NEVER be a pair of shoes even if you put them in a fancy shoe box tied up with ribbon.
    What worries me is that years ago when there were few single mothers we gave single mothers a pension so they wouldn't be forced to give up their babies. This was a good thing at the time. But now it has been abused and girls are choosing to be single mothers. This changed the whole concept of family. Many children are growing up today without ever knowing a father. Are we going to have another generation of children this time never having known a mother and a father. Will this then be accepted has the norm.


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