I did not attack Reagan.

I did not attack RnR. I am unaware of any post having been removed from that time.

In both cases, I may have disagreed with a view held by those posters. I would have given reasons.

I am not a Labor supporter. 

I can deal with differening opinions. I cannot stand wilful ignorance, poor logic, unsourced extreme claims about minority groups such as Muslims, and bigotry in general.

YES, you  and Mussitate attacked me because I said ""I used to vote Labor and now am going to vote Liberal.""

I was so taken aback,I reported you both to your moderator and inserted the most offensive parts of the posts. These posts are now removed.

You gave NO reasons for the attack. I know an attackk when I see it.

As I said before, not interested, I have membership of a more congenial forum and if things improve at a later stage,I may return at a later  date to this one.

I did not attack you. If I recall correctly, I asked for reasons, and your claim of having been a Labor voter seemed a very unlikely one given your response.

Unfortunately, neither of us can prove a thing about my post now. I didn't even know my post had been removed, or why. Not a great learning experience.

 Banjo you hit the nail on the head in your last line, unless they are labor supporters and thats why 6 (me included) got the boot from Greypath. I was a laobr suporter and Changed to LNP and all hell broke lose.

Now I must admit that the moderator didnt help he was never there to moderate and took the easy way out and booted 6 good posters with out knowing what was going on

Even with all the arguments that were going on it kept Greypath going with lots of readers and posters Not like it is now scrapping for new members or posters

I do know some of the 6 have invaded this forum under new names, I  am the only one that has retained my name and do not intend changing it no matter what forum I visit

Again Stewie, your honesty is to be admired. Mussitate and Barak, have been insinuating that Ray and I came from Greypath although we have never been  members of that site.

Mussitate has  given a name "Multies" to  a number of  people and according to him, they all came from Greypath. 

I think it is the intention of Mussitate and Barak to try and run everyone off this forum.

...who is not a Labor supporter.

forgot to add this to my  last sentence.

Banjo - I have not been insinuating you and Ray came from Greypath. I would truly have no idea about whether that was true or not. I'd never heard of the place until someone mentioned it here a few days ago.

Where DO you get these ideas?

As for trying to run people off these forums, that's not true either. But I will condemn wilful ignorance, unsourced extreme claims, and bigotry, wherever I see it. If stopping that here forces some to leave, it will make it a better place.

innes - my only response to that is going to be to ask other readers of it whether they think you calling me a moron is a personal attack.

It would be on every other forum I've ever contributed to.

You're welcome Reagan. Shame your stay was so short but I can understand your reasons only too well.

I am also fed up, because this forum seems to be dominated by two people, Mussitate and Barak, so I've decided to call it a day for a while.

Hopefully come in just for an occasional hello to cranky, in my opinion one of the most important members here, but I do have email addresses and will keep in touch with friends I've made here.

Cheers

Ray, rather than running away, how about rationally demonstrating where I am wrong? If you can do that, I assure you I can handle it.

NO ONE can rationally demonstrate anything with you Barak, and I will not waste my time. 

I am in two minds as to whether you are (a) just playing a weird game by annoying posters at every turn - or

(b) you are really in some sort of health situation where you can't remember what you've said, or done, or can see nothing wrong with your actions or those of Mussitate.

Hope you can sort yourselves out, I have lost patience.

So you now allege mental illness? Have I got that right?

I'll admit I do enjoy annoying conservatives and bigots by questioning their "facts" and logic.

If their positions were sound, they would have nothing to worry about, would they?

2 Posts in one here first Barak like Massitate you both come from GP and like Massitate in here you both denie being labor suporters I know better. come on guys have the guts to use your GP names in here I have.

Second Ray these 2 done exacly as they do in here try to put preasure on any post that is Liberal 1 Barak will do what he also done in GP and that is question every line of your post asking silly questions been on the receiving end my self so I know how he works

Reagan & Ray hang around Guys dont be pushed out or about

Stewie you have shown guts to come on here and give such an honest account of Mussitate and Barak. 

They both deny they are from Greypath and were banned for the same sort of behaviour, but here you are like many others know the truth and are telling it.

You have my admiration, I do hope the Moderator sees your post and has this information when he/she reviews the moderation process.

Thanks Banjo but please dont put me on a pedastal, remember I was one of the ones that also got the boot for retaliation to many agressive posts  

From what I see Stewie, you got the boot, because you retaliated, and that should not be.

When someone is pushed to the limits, they have to answer back.

It appears history repeated itself here on this forum, because Reagan said he was Labor and changed to  Liberal, and that's when they started attacking him.

I repeat my question:-

What is more derogatory;  To be called a moron,  (A politically incorrect factual noun) or to be called a paedophile, a supporter of paedophiles, a racist & a bigot, because I made the true statement that almost all terrorists in Australia are Muslims?

Quote geomac: "A personal attack is not the same as putting down"

Then what is a personal attack, using a machete??? You obviously don't understand the concept. 

No point in discussing it. I guess you would also approve of the fact Barack called a female member an "arrogant pig" the post was also removed.

No other forum would accept Mussitate's and Barak's behaviour.

That is not what Geomac said Ray. He said "putting down or opposing one's views". 

I read it as meaning putting down or opposing views in contrast to putting down a person. 

Yes Robi, some cannot see the difference between cricising a comment and criticisng a person.

Ray - I called the person an arrogant pig because that person demonstrated precisely that behaviour. I had no idea the post was removed. And I can't even recall what the topic was. As far as I am concerned I was right.

Can you point me to where that post was removed?

What difference does being female make?

innes refers to those who disagree with him as a moron then tries to justify it by waffling.

"the free dictionary.
mo-ron  (moron)
1. A person who is considered foolish or stupid.
2. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in judgment.
2. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an I.Q. of 50 to 69

merriam-webster
1  usually offensive.   a person affected with mild mental retardation
2  a very stupid person

Canbridge English Dictionary
a very stupid person "

I would say that is very offensive.

Would he say it face to face, or act like a coward hiding behind his computer to insult others. I suspect the latter.

Innes has been pushed to the limits by Barak who has  called him a "paedophile" a "racist" a "bigot", a "supporter of paedophiles"  "ignorant" and many other derogatory terms.

The only retalitory word innes has ever used is "moron" but has repeated some of those uttered by Barak.

I feel innes has had the patience of Jove with both Barak and Mussitate.

How much should one have to put up with until something is done??

Say it as it is Gerry, if you can't tell the truth, then you should say nothing.

Good to see you haven't changed Gerry.  In spite of your accusations, I would have no problem carrying on this conversation, face to face with you or Barak.  Funny that you say I am hiding behind a computer when I am on here under my real name, whilst it is you & Barak that are hiding behind a computer with avatars to protect your identity.  I note that you quote the free dictionary, merriam-webster & Cambridge when I actually referred to the study of Psychology.  As I said, you haven't changed.

Banjo, you are not worth replying to. Bold font does not make your rant anything worthwhile.

Quote innes "Funny that you say I am hiding behind a computer when I am on here under my real name, whilst it is you & Barak that are hiding behind a computer with avatars to protect your identity"

How am I hiding behind an avatar whilst you are supposedly not doing so. You also are posting with an avatar.

I use my real name so your post is full of BS.

quote innes "I note that you quote the free dictionary, merriam-webster & Cambridge when I actually referred to the study of Psychology. "

I find dictionaries fullo of information rather than some ficticious study of psychology

Usually the more aggressive a person is on a forum, the bigger the coward they are when posting on a forum. That fits the user "innes"

Quote Gerry: Banjo, you are not worth replying to. Bold font does not make your rant anything worthwhile.

In your eyes, I am not worth replying to because I speak the truth and you do not.

The reason my post is in bold font, is because I did not want it to get lost amongst the rubbish here.

The very fact you say to innes you find Psychological studies fictitious dismisses you in my eyes straightaway. Nothing of value to reply to.

quote banjo "The very fact you say to innes you find Psychological studies fictitious dismisses you in my eyes straightaway."

Maybe if you read my actual words instead of making some up to reply to might make your post relevant.

If there is nothing of value to reply to then why did you relpy - just to throw more insults ?

Banjo - I would not have called innes a paedophile. All the others, a "racist", a "bigot", a "supporter of paedophiles",  "ignorant", all apply to innes, so I may have used those.

The moment someone calls a member a name other than there prefered nick name they are being attacked (unless a members nick is Cat and everyone knows that person as Ron). when a reply is made that you dont agree with you should attack ( politely) there post not the person.

I also believe that when a person post there opinion, it is not wrong no matter what they say because it is an opinion NOT a fact so it cant be wrong, another poster can disagree but thats all they can do. 

But as I used to say in an other forum But this is just my opinion and Oh boy did that upset a few people LOL

Some valid points there Stewie, but there are grey areas.

If a poster say "All Muslims are terrorists", it might be their opinion, but it's clearly wrong, and probably based on ignorance and bigotry.

Can I say that?

Barak I must admit you had me thinking there, but in the eyes of the poster he/she is right, because he/she believes that, On the other hand it is your opinion that he/she is not right, you could perhaps include a link for that poster to read up on. A persons opinion can be changed, if the poster has an open mind and is willing to learn

I'm not sure that a belief in something that is demonstrably complete bulltish can validly be called an opinion.

It's a lot different from an opinion on, say, who are the best economic mangers in a political sense.

The former really is something else. Maybe wilfully ignorance based dogma?

Barak, I have previously answered this on more than 2 occasions.

You Said:-     "If a poster say "All Muslims are terrorists", it might be their opinion, but it's clearly wrong, and probably based on ignorance and bigotry."

This is correct.   BUT, nobody ever said this.  It is aimed at me & I clearly said the opposite.   I said    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS, BUT NEARLY ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS.

HEY STEWIE,     I AM CATSAHOY,     A CAT,   I AM NOT RON,    IN CASE ANYONE THINKS DIFFERENTLY,  

Can anyone explain why a reply to my post seems to be addressed to Stewie, and is rudely shouted at us all in capitals?

Who is RON?

geomac, I suggest you do  "hold your breath" and also your tongue. I don't know what your educational standard is, but I can vouch for Ray, we went to the same university. Ray does not have to "distort" anything since part or the entire comment makes no difference. Partly or wholly, that phrase constitutes an ATTACK.

You say, and I quote " A personal attack is not the same as putting down or opposong ones views. "

You are INCORRECT, and even posting half of that quote is still making a personal attack, I repeat.

A personal attack may include challenges that questions a person's intelligence, values, integrity, motivations, decisions and so on. Reagan's intellect was challenged when he disclosed that he has always voted Labor and now has decided to vote Liberal.

His integrity was questioned, his political views questioned. Views which are personal to him were ridiculed. THAT CONSTITUTES A PERSONAL ATTACK. So yes geomac the part of the quote that Ray posted alone, does constitute an attack.

 A personal attack is ALSO committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and NOT the claim itself. That was done by Mussitate when he insulted Reagan.

Yes, in a Court of Law, that would constitute an attack, and geomac you have made another attack on Ray in your recent post. Ray is guilty of NOTHING. We all know how outspoken he is and has no  problems telling it as it is.

You owe him an apology, but since you wouldn't do that, may I remind you, you used the very same words to Pete on many occasions, when he challenged you.

You seem to have a problem with choosing your words, and believe me if I had to match YOUR WIT against Ray's or your INTELLECT against Ray's - he would win hands down.

It seems to me you are affronted because your post was challenged, well let me tell you geomac, if you wish the words you use to go unchallenged, you'd better know what you are talking about and be sure of the meanings before you insult others.

I have to agree with Geomac. It is pretty clear that Ray distorted what was said. Don't know why his family have to rush to his defence to try and explain the indefensible.

Of course you would say that, waiting for the rest of your "family" to arrive with their explanations too.

I believe Ray has said openly on the forum he has taken leave and I doubt whether he has been sitting on the edge of his chair waiting for a post from you geomac.

I applaud Ray for ignoring you and not getting embroiled anymore in this charade, and I am going to do the same.

There are better things in life than to sit here arguing with a couple of ignoramuses. You and Gerry can keep this up all night, with the help of your other friends, a good way to  get your adrenaline pumping eh!!

Just like "moron", "ignoramuses" is a personal attack of the most unarguable kind.

"BS" is a personal attack.

If your recent abuse is the best you can do, we are better off without you. here.

Oh dear banjo going with Ray (who says he is leaving often)

hahaha

bye.

see you in a few minutes LMAO

Based on past performace, there's every chance you're right Gerry.

It's "We belong to a Mutual Admiration Society" from Happy Hunting.

Nice post Geomac.

No innes, it wasn't directed at you.

It wasn't directed at anyone currently active here.

There are a lot of people that are currently not active on the Forum ???

But Banjo said

I'm outa this political forum

Is this who you are refering to ???

I actually don't have a particular person in mind. It was purely a hypothetical example.