Private schools overfunded
Some of Australia's most elite high-fee private schools are receiving taxpayer funding almost three times greater than their entitlements while others schools remain grossly underfunded, official Education Department data reveals.
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So you like a system that means kids from poorer families get a lower quality education?
no - I'm against dumbing down of the masses, bringiing everyone down to the lowest common denominator
Socialism failed ...
Why should kids from poorer families get a lower quality education?
why do some people get paid more than others
that's life
get over it
I care about all kids. Clearly you don't. You could never become a teacher.
Carlos
Your comment "I'm against dumbing down of the masses, bringiing everyone down to the lowest common denominator" is surprisingly a good one.
That is exactly why PRIVATE SCHOOLS receiving Govt Funding is unacceptable. MOST Private Schools already receive huge amount of funds in the form of Private School FEES.
With Private Schools gerrymandering Govt education funds, it does exactly what you speak of, it ensures without doubt that the MASSES are DUMBED down with a small number of "privileged" people being the exception. Although, in the USA even this system has stagnated and the ability to 'buy' your education and certification ensures that the best is left behind and the nations intellect and future is stunted.
However, you then refer to "socialism failed" which is UNRELATED to the comment made. If anything it is CORPORATE CAPITALISM or CORPORATOCRACY that definitely adheres to the concept of "dumbing down the masses". The USA is a perfect example.
You just have to look at the USA and its concept of PRIVATE SCHOOLS over PUBLIC SCHOOLS and the grossly substandard education levels of PUBLIC SCHOOLS, whereby the masses have been dumbed down to such an extent that it is rather embarrassing!
Compare this gross method of EDUCATION to other countries such as CHINA who is currently trying hard to educate its people to the highest possible levels. CUBA a backward country because of the embargoes placed upon it by the USA, still has an incredible HEALTH SYSTEM and highly trained doctors who travel the world to the worst places and administer medicine where no other country will go. GERMANY has free education to all and is one of the most powerful countries in the EU.
It has nothing to do with outdated concepts of socialism and capitalism, especially as BOTH 'terms' are completely obsolete and both have failed.
It has to do with the Govt of a nation following ideals that ensure that ALL children receive the best education and that those that excel are given opportunities to expand that govt's nation and provide for the future of that nation.
Mussitate actually I don't give a rats arse about your opinions . You lack the ability to DUSCUSS any subject . Just a looney left rave .
Go fxxx yourself
Carlos
My comment:
1. complimented you
2. discussed your comment further
3. added to your comment both in the affirmative and with differing views
Sorry, if this does not represent the ability to 'duscuss' any subject. Our expectations and definitions appear to be on rather different levels.
Is it merely my factual account of the 'dumbing down of its masses' by the USA and that the USA's population is an excellent example of an UNDER EDUCATED populace... OR ... is it that I showed how other forms of goverment are way more active and positive towards EDUCATING their populace ... OR ... is it that a nation that is more democratic and closer to the old terminology "capitalism" and is a THRIVING and ECONOMICALLY strong country (Germany) has FREE education for ALL its citizens??!!!
Oh! Two more things:
a. Well done, you spelled a*se as Australians do and not the way sepos do
b. What does "fxxx yourself" mean?!!
I agree with Mussitate on page one, the quote "Taxation is the price of civilisation" is a goodie.
Your own work Barak?
Meant "page two" not page one.
Ray, Barak did not coin that phrase. It's a quote he copied from a nutter off facebook: hmmm, very interesting to see what he reads!
Micha - why do the arguments of people like you on the conservative side so often resort to abuse?
I never claimed the quote to be my own. I did not get it from Facebook. The fact that YOU saw it there does not mean that's where I saw it. I worry about your thinking process that says I did.
Barak
Yes, you are quite right YOU DID NOT state that the quote was yours, it was merely myself and Ray, who thought the quote was a GOOD one and both of us enquired 'nicely' whether it was your own or someone elses. To which you have just now responded.
Glad to see that YOU at least, didn't visit a 'nutter on facebook' as Micha appears to have done.
Micha
"In 1927 in the court case of Compañía General de Tabacos de Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue a dissenting opinion was written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. that included the following phrase. Note that the text differed slightly from the inscription. The word “a” was omitted:
Taxes are what we pay for civilized society …"
Obviously, nothing to do with your quoted 'BULGARIAN', Svetoslav Svetlozarov.... seems as if you have made up a little story to enable you to ridicule another commenter.
When you go on the internet with this quote, nowhere is a Svetoslav Svetlozarov quoted anywhere.... so it is only you who have visited a 'nutter on facebook' it seems and just by chance, it was a Bulgarian who writes in ENGLISH on Facebook. Pretty far fetched but there you go, Micha, seems to be able to back himself/herself (forgotten your gender already) with gibberish from nowhere.
Another quote:
"Ugly is as ugly does"
Not my quote but I am sure you would appreciate the irony.
FINALLY, I am somewhat tired at the moment but your little drawings (snaffled from the internet no doubt) don't make sense. Would you care to elucidate?
Listen DA I am not a Facebook user and here is the link from which I caught Barak out:
I have no time to waste with your species, and here is my quote:
"Pig ignorant is as pig ignorant goes" not my quote but I am sure even you in your simple mind can work it out for yourself.
Have another glass of whatever you're having
Micha, I am repeatedly told by your friends here that you are a scientist. That tells me you should be a logical thinker.
How can the fact that you found a quote in a particular place on the Internet prove that I saw it in the same place?
I can assure you I didn't.
Don't give a toss where you got it from, have no time for you and your DA mate. See ya.
DA? Huh?
You have just made a complete fool of yourself by claiming you DID know where i got it from, presumably becasue it DOES matter to you.
Micha
Scientist's do not live by double standards whereby it is aok to attack and insult people but not aok for responses to those insults to be made. Well at least not without the frothing and further insults.
If they did, no good science would ever be done and we would still be living in the dark ages.
Maybe this is a place you go to let your hair down and act irrationally to counteract the need for total scientific control, logic, analytical thoroughness, and scrutiny of all facts, at all times.... yes?
PS..... (Micha) ....
Your quote should read "Pig ignorance is as pig ignorance goes"... yes!
PSS..... (Micha) ....
Your link does NOT support any of your suppositions that were aimed at Barak AND they do not support your quoted source of the 'BULGARIAN', Svetoslav Svetlozarov.... which you stated was from Facebook! I didn't search every Google search item that your link turned up (of course) but there was no obvious reference to your source or facebook or someone with the name stated, nor someone who was Bulgarian.
IF, you accuse someone (Barak) out of thin air, of extracting a quote from a "nutter on facebook" with a BULGARIAN name, you really should be able to offer some sort of evidence to support these outlandish claims, surely?!
Scientific processes would demand such as an absolute minimum... yes?
:) After my 45 years in the classroom ... there's always one!! Love this skit.
Hilarious !
You took a long time to graduate high school though
:) Yep Carlos, 5 years in my day. Must admit loved every minute of classroom life when teaching. Never a dull moment.
Well, I've had a coffee and a laugh, thanks great vid
That was fantastic RnR. Just maybe, only maybe, Barak was right. Teachers might be worth more money !!!
That's very funny RnR...love it...
Good one RNR...
Worth looking at also are Youtube excerpts of Jonah and pain in the a.se Ja'mie from Summer Heights High - genius of Chris Lilley ex-teacher. Vicky Pollard from Little Britain right up there as well - darn funny but more than a grain of truth in these portrayals.
Can't do the blue link thingo but google youtube -
- 'Summer Heights High - Ja'mie Speech' very relevant to the current private/public schools discussion.
- 'Summer Heights High - The Best of Jonah 1'
- 'Vicky Pollard in counselling session'
Love Catherine Tate humour.
Financial statements lodged with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission show in some cases, schools are enjoying surpluses that exceed the amount by which they are overfunded. In one case, Melbourne Grammar's $8.3 million end-of-year result exceeded their total government funding of $7.3 million.
The records suggest many schools could have overfunding removed with little or no impact on their regular operating costs, and could give Education Minister Simon Birmingham cover to move on them as he negotiates a new post-2018 funding agreement with his state and territory counterparts.
Non govt schools , Geomac do you think that others should have the same choice your parents and you made
has anybody else noticed that if you are not in agreement with the likes of barak, mussolini, geriatric with the flag or labor mick, your post be deleted the next day, it clearly shows the leanings and the so called independent views of lifechoises, just another offschoot of the labor party and very left to boot, still crying and unable to accept they lost the election.
Much paranoia on display there.
I actually wish the reasons for deletions were shown. It would help us all.
yes - the moderator is a juvenile leftie
watch yourself or he'll find an excuse to ban you
What or whose post has been deleted from this thread heems ?
Nope - they were just posts pointing out the lunacy of the left
no rules broken, unless you consider lefties a religious or racial group
No personal attacks?
which part of "no rules broken" did you not understand
You obvioiusly use the term "lefties" as a negative. Maybe someone took offence. You want them to, don't you?
reported for harassment
look up the dictionary
Harassment?
Huh?
I repeat
What or whose post has been deleted from this thread heems ?
amazingly those answering my question, who would have guessed, geriatic, the one with the flag used by the gfmeu union, barak, the so called teacher, God help our kids, stating the rules may have been broken, with other words he or she asked lifechoises to remove my comments as they were against their leftist labor views yet mussolini must have been absent or felt guilty or agreed with my comments, still it shows that one can't state his or her opinion in these columns, they were not abusive, unless you agree with the minority who run these columns.
Well that post is obviously abusive. Does abusing people make you feel better?
heems
So many words yet you convey very little that I can decipher. I assume it was your post that was deleted but unsure if it was on this thread which is what I asked about. Anyone can use the Eureka flag heems even those moronic faux patriot ratbags who also use our national flag to cover their face. I use it to honour the Eureka Stockade and how it advanced democracy in Australia.
Professor Alan Smithers, director of the Centre for Education and Employment Research at Buckingham University, says: “Too many poor teachers remain in their jobs year after year after year.”
In the last 10 years, only 17 out of 400,000 teachers in state schools were dismissed due to incompetence.
During my three years in one school, four teachers were asked to leave; they had problems controlling the children. Once, I stormed into an adjoining classroom: the noise was drowning out my own voice and disturbing my lesson. “Sit down and be quiet!” I shouted” adding, “Where is your teacher?”
I don’t know who looked the more embarrassed - me or him. He was sitting at his desk, surrounded by mayhem. At the end of term the head suggested he might be happier in another profession.
Parents thought nothing of looking me right in the eye at parents’ evenings and reminding me that they were paying a lot of money for their child’s education, so they expected results. I felt personally accountable.
Do parents dare to tell a teacher in a state school that their taxes are paying their salaries, so shape up?
Then there is class size. I’ve taught classes with 15 pupils and classes with 35. Children in smaller classes feel more confident about contributing, and I had more time for them. I knew the name of every pupil in the school; I felt part of a close knit community and so did they.
Independent schools can’t allow any child to slip through the net. At the weekly staff meeting we discussed each year group, flagging up any pupil who was struggling and an action-plan was devised. My department also had a weekly meeting where pupils were discussed.
In the state school, once-a-term staff meetings were something to get through as quickly as possible. More time was spent on deciding when to timetable the occasional day’s holiday - near Christmas please, so we can shop - than pupils.
Do independent schools simply hot-house children to get them through exams? Yes, and why not? But extra-curricular activities in independent schools are there to help children flourish, whether they are academically gifted or not.
Take Emily: she’d always had a real interest in sailing, so her parents chose a school which offered this; she is now applying for a commission in the navy. Would she have got that in a state school - even the excellent grammar school on her doorstep?
Everyone connected with independent education expects success - the teachers, parents and children. There is no embarrassment about applying to Oxbridge or any Top Ten university, it’s the norm. I accept that not all state schools have low expectations, but too many have an ‘us and them’ attitude towards top universities.
Why do parents choose private education? Rosie says: “I was not impressed with the local state schools. I wanted small classes, did not want my son getting ‘lost’ in the system and I wanted my son to have a good, happy and productive school experience at a school that I would want to have close ties with, and be involved in.”
And having ties is something other parents want too. Carolyn says: “As an only child, I wanted my son to start in the prep system and carry on making friends for life.”
So if I could have afforded almost £40,000 a year for my children’s education then yes, I’d have spent it. Why? Because it gives parents power to provide the best for their children; you are the customer.
Until the state system is run on those lines, giving parents power, attracting the very best teachers with salaries and working conditions to match, then money will always buy better education and no one should feel guilty if they choose to buy it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/24/why-private-schools-are-better-than-state_n_7378220.html