Australia Day etc.

I have tried to delete this post as I had somewhat incorrect info in it.

My apologies.

But certainly anything Warren Mundine says or writes is well worth listening to.

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The gay population is a minority in this country, so is the Aboriginal population. Yet we bent over to please the gays, we should do the same for the first people of this country.

Changing the date will not affect anyone, but it will make a section of the community happier and to me that's worth it. 

 

A number of prominent Aboriginal leaders have spoken out, saying they are not particularly in favour of changing the date.

I mostly see white people pushing the date change barrow.

I wonder how many activists would be happy to hand their house and land back if they genuinely believe their own rhetoric.

If we keep changing things to appease people soon their will be no traditions left.

Go back to the Grampians / Ayes rock / Christmas Etc and stuff the minority. We and our forfathers made this place what it is now and all the minority did was hold their hands out for gifts.

 

It's not just Aboriginals who have an ifinity with this great land. There are plenty of 5th generation Australians whose culture is deeply imbedded.

"And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,

And at night the wonderous glory of the everlasting stars."

Most of my life I have been intrigued by the question. .. Did Dorothea MacKellar actually write these words?? 

“And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,
And at night the wond’rous glory of the everlasting stars.”

These are the last two lines from a verse of “Clancy of the Overflow” by J B Patterson. See here. Excerpt below.

In my wild erratic fancy visions come to me of Clancy
Gone a-droving `down the Cooper' where the Western drovers go;
As the stock are slowly stringing, Clancy rides behind them singing,
For the drover's life has pleasures that the townsfolk never know.

And the bush hath friends to meet him, and their kindly voices greet him
In the murmur of the breezes and the river on its bars,
And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,
And at night the wond'rous glory of the everlasting stars.

Interesting article about whether Clancy was based on a real person at

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandarts/clancy-of-the-overflow-a-real-person/5290136

 

Thanks RnR, interesting story about Clancy. I didnt know he responded to Banjo in verse. It was a regular feature in the Sydney paper to see Lawson and Banjo banter in verse. There's a touch of that in "Clancy of the overflow." Must have been very entertaining in the day?

I know Banjo was born and mostly lived in NSW, but his inspiration for the writing of Waltzing Matilda came from a little town in QLD called Winton where Dinasour Fossils have been discovered and just a short drive north is a town called McKinley with one pub and a library, The pub featured in the movie "Crocodile Dundee" and still bears the name as Mick Dundee as a licencee. The music to Waltzing Matilda however, was not thought up by Banjo but copied from some musos playing at a race meeting in Victoria.

Now back to the question? If in the early part of the last century we placed little importance on plagerism then perhaps these 2 famous lines were Dorothea Mackellar's? 

And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,
And at night the wond'rous glory of the everlasting stars.

For those 2 lines alone are worthy of a spot on an Australian banknote.

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Where did you come by the idea that those two lines were plagiarised from DM Frank? Just interested and any references would be appreciated.

Common knowledge up around those parts. I've been there and seen Banjo's billabong, I've done my own investigating, asked questions, talked to old timers etc. Just something I came across.

I'm waiting for Trove to digitise more, there may be a reference in the Sydney papers. I have heard that Dorothea Mackellar had written those two lines, which may have been published, in defence of the man in the bush.

 

Absolute rubbish Frank...You "heard?" Bring some proof which I doubt will ever be forthcoming..because it does not exist..

 

Banjo Paterson's "Clancy" was published in 1889.. Nowhere in any poetry circles have I heard that he "stole" any of his lines from Dorothea M..

In 1908..Dorothea M wrote a poem about Australia while she was still in England and called it "Core of my Heart"..it was published in the London Spectator..

It took her four years to rewrite the poem and later called it "My Country" and this was published in 1911 in Australia...

She never wrote the  lines you mention..




"Clancy of the Overflow" was first published in The Bulletin on 21 December 1889.

Dorothea Mackellar was born on 1 July 1885, about four and a half years previously.

:) Quite a feat for a four-year-old child to write those lines.

 

Frank..you ought to learn how to  play the "Tuba"..it needs a lot of hot air to function !



Amazing what you can learn about the country by talking to retired breakers who are the sons of breakers. 

Yeah, like Chinese whispers. A whole lota nothing, LOL

What an obnoxious woman 

lol - yeah well Raph - does know all about the "Tuba" and "hot air" - lol lol lol - must be talking from experience???   .........   :-)

Why don't you two join Brocky. I believe he's on holiday cruising down the Amazon in piranha infested waters.

 

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

Isobel Marion Dorothea Mackellar OBE

A familiar verse from "My Country" written by a homesick Dorothea stuck in the UK at age 19. 

I'm confused.

Which part is confusing? Are you saying that such a harsh environment cannot be loved? 

Polling has shown that 70% of Australians do not want to change the date from 26th January.

 

Covering up the view at Circular Quay railway station - getting ready for Australia Day, it prevents people crowding the station to see the harbour show.  They also do it on NYE fireworks.

 

 

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86TKK81EwJ4




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Welcome to Victoriastan.   Some councils here in Vic are becoming more and more llike dictators.

The latest........, Yarra council has forbidden staff to say "Australia Day", but must say the Jan26th holiday instead!

 

"THE CITY of Yarra has banned its 1000 employees, ­including childcare workers, ­librarians, and gardeners, from even uttering the words “Australia Day”. "

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/yarra-council-bans-staff-from-uttering-australia-day/news-story/4d41fef8b554128b41f84df8fd111ec0

 

 

 

Shades of the medical clinic I go to...no Merry Christmas sign...just "be Merry"

The Council sound like they are, to use that old Australian slang, "Stone Cold Yarra".  They can't bring in such a law?  Is this the same council that refused to have an Australia Day Citizenship ceremony?

 

George Orwell was soooooooooo    right!!

 

Orwell didn’t have a crystal ball, what he did have was an understanding of the human condition and its weakness.........APATHY

Hola, when Yarra Council and Darebin council refused to acknowledge Australia Day, the PM promptly told them, quite rightly,  they would not be allowed to hold citizenship ceremonies.

A pathetic attempt to appease minorities while totally ignoring the majority, we must fight to retain our culture.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/christmas-banners-without-the-cword-have-been-torn-down-after-a-minister-intervened/news-story/0f58dd2fb568df44be5e3cf67de918dd

 

Sack the Council. A lot of time wasters, squandering tax payer money.

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